From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 1 02:48:12 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:48:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) In-Reply-To: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> References: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> Message-ID: <4892CDCC.5030502@bradakis.com> Well, this one is somewhat closer to my budget than a few of the other cars that have made recent mention. I would really like to have that Vitesse that was recently available, but with a starting bid of $25,000 that ain't gonna happen. Then again, there are about 280 folks on the FOT list - if I charged each and every one of them say, $150 for a lifetime membership... I have been starting to think about racing again. I got burned out on it after my years of trying to keep IVR events at Wendover going, losing my job, blah blah blah. I really should set a goal of getting a car out on Miller's track as soon as possible. At least this week I got the clutch sorted out on the beater white squaretail Spit, so I can start driving that around town again. That will be nice. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 07:19:01 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:19:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> Message-ID: The Jag had a flat tire. The race were stopped per red flag. That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side to my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 An: Friends of Triumph Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox failure? Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 1 07:32:12 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:32:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I noticed he had a moment the lap before. Never seen an overdrive setup in race use before, was interesting. Looks like you have to plan your shifts a little more to take full advantage of the extra gears. Or do you opt to go into 3rd and use the od as 4th? Were you blipping the throttle between od shifts to keep the RPM up? Thanks. A. 2008/8/1 MadMarx > The Jag had a flat tire. > The race were stopped per red flag. > That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side > to > my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Andre Rousseau > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 > An: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > > That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. > > Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox > failure? > > Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi @ all, > > > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > > > Have fun with these: > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > > them all > > in the green hell and bind them. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 07:45:36 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:45:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The 3rd+OD is a little shorter than 4th so I use this combination on shorter straights. I shift up under full throttle without clutch release and on the two long straights I use 4th + OD as a 5th gear. To overcome the gap between 2nd and 3rd I use 2nd+OD and then go up to 3rd. When I start I shift through the gear using OD. On down shifts I use clutch and always blip the throttle between the gears and again when I release clutch. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 15:32 An: Friends of Triumph Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch Yeah I noticed he had a moment the lap before. Never seen an overdrive setup in race use before, was interesting. Looks like you have to plan your shifts a little more to take full advantage of the extra gears. Or do you opt to go into 3rd and use the od as 4th? Were you blipping the throttle between od shifts to keep the RPM up? Thanks. A. 2008/8/1 MadMarx > The Jag had a flat tire. > The race were stopped per red flag. > That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side > to > my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Andre Rousseau > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 > An: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > > That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. > > Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox > failure? > > Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi @ all, > > > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > > > Have fun with these: > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > > them all > > in the green hell and bind them. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 07:50:42 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:50:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? Message-ID: <507B87BE-E909-4AAC-B0DB-7D67D0DB91D1@earthlink.net> Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Aug 1 07:57:36 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? In-Reply-To: <507B87BE-E909-4AAC-B0DB-7D67D0DB91D1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's crew. It's possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father has sworn he was Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling me everything he did. So now tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? - Ed - Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 1 08:03:12 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:03:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? Message-ID: In a message dated 08/01/2008 8:58:04 AM Central Daylight Time, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes: > Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's crew. It's > possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father has sworn he was > Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling me everything he did. So now > tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? > I've had similar sensations all my life. I have a subconscious recollection of being out on an ice flow...fishing, or seal hunting (ALA Eskimo style). Always felt I may have been an Eskimo hundreds (or thousands) of years ago. I also felt, that if it is true...I hope I don't remember anything else about it. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:44:20 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel.>> I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u p using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:48:47 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:48:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) Message-ID: For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it would start working again. I finally blew one of them up. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) Return-path: From: WEmery7451 at aol.com Full-name: WEmery7451 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel.>> I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u p using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 12:43:49 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? In-Reply-To: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8A016D25-CB7D-4999-B4B4-18C305603D53@earthlink.net> Probably a good night's sleep. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:57 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's > crew. It's possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father > has sworn he was Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling > me everything he did. So now tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? > - Ed - > > Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; > Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. > Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was > ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these > little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think > perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 13:26:25 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:26:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) References: Message-ID: <003901c8f40c$7e835420$6402a8c0@HOME> I learned shifting OD from Tony Drews. He is doing very well with his OD. My knob is at the steering because I don't have to take the hands of the wheel while shifting. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) > For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it > apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it would start > working again. > > I finally blew one of them up. > ************** > Get fantasy football with free > live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Return-path: > From: WEmery7451 at aol.com > Full-name: WEmery7451 > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d > > << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the > steering wheel.>> > > I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people > said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two > speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. > > The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find > another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the > parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u > p > using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). > > I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. > ************** > Get > fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football > today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Aug 1 14:45:40 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:45:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR/NATC convention Message-ID: <489375F4.5030203@bright.net> List members, if you are attending this event, please stop by our display. We will be open Tuesday - Thursday in the hotel vendor area and Friday at the car show. Engine, suspension, brake goodies all on display along with our gear reduction starters. Tuesday afternoon I am presenting a tech session on testing, tools and performance. Wednesday morning Mike Cook and myself are doing a session on what it was like "in the day". This will be from a corporate viewpoint, dealer viewpoint and competition viewpoint. "Win on Sunday and hopefully sell on Monday!" If there is something you want me to bring, please call or email soon. If I can bring it along, you save shipping. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 1 18:21:32 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) Message-ID: <20080802002120.7F34218763E@autox.team.net> >My OD switch is in the top of my custom-made shift knob (came with >the car, no idea where to get another). > >Here's a couple of fun videos from that one. >Grattan, Aug, 2004, decent dice with Jeff Snook in a TR-3 (skip the >first 2:30 to cut to the race start, most of the action is over by >the 20 minute mark): http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyGrattan08222004web.wmv > >Road America, May, 2007, nice dice with Rick Gurolnick in a white >open top 356 (Starting from the back of the pack - this one has a >last lap pass): http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyDrewsRA05202007full.wmv > >I was running worn Hoosier Vintage TD's at Grattan, so the car was >moving around a bit - more and more as the race went on. I was >running Toyo Proxes at Road America - they're not faster, but less >prone to oversteer for me. > >- Tony D > >At 02:26 PM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >>I learned shifting OD from Tony Drews. >>He is doing very well with his OD. >> >>My knob is at the steering because I don't have to take the hands >>of the wheel >>while shifting. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:48 PM >>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) >> >> >> > For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it >> > apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it >> would start >> > working again. >> > >> > I finally blew one of them up. >> > ************** >> > Get fantasy football with free >> > live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >> > >> > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >> > Return-path: >> > From: WEmery7451 at aol.com >> > Full-name: WEmery7451 >> > Message-ID: >> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch >> > To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com >> > CC: fot at autox.team.net >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 >> > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d >> > >> > << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at >>the >> > steering wheel.>> >> > >> > I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding >> switch. Some people >> > said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two >> > speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. >> > >> > The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never >>find >> > another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the >> > parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I >>gave u >> > p >> > using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted >>Shoemaker). >> > >> > I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. >> > ************** >> > Get >> > fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy >>Football >> > today. >> > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 05:08:38 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:08:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) References: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> <4892CDCC.5030502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007a01c8f3c6$f3945d40$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) > Well, this one is somewhat closer to my budget than a few of the other cars > that have made recent mention. I would really like to have that Vitesse > that > was recently available, but with a starting bid of $25,000 that ain't gonna > happen. You and every other drooling Triumph idiot. > > Then again, there are about 280 folks on the FOT list - if I charged each > and every one of them say, $150 for a lifetime membership... You deserve it! > > I have been starting to think about racing again. I got burned out on it > after my years of trying to keep IVR events at Wendover going, losing > my job, blah blah blah. I really should set a goal of getting a car out > on Miller's track as soon as possible. At least this week I got the clutch > sorted out on the beater white squaretail Spit, so I can start driving that > around town again. That will be nice. It certainly has been rewarding for me to have a TR for the street. Tonite while sitting in my TR3 waiting for the right moment to fire it up and head home from a "First Friday", three kids came walking by and took notice. Without breaking stride the pre-adolescent girl in the group commented, "That car is cold!" Not sure of the meaning of this comment I called back to the group. "I hope that's a good thing". Her older brother replied reassuringly, "It is, very! The ride home was especially enjoyable. Steve P. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Dlhogye at aol.com Fri Aug 1 20:56:15 2008 From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:56:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend Message-ID: Hello Friends of Triumph, My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I live in Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the Cleveland, Ohio area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest recollections. The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar Cleveland where he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some great pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the subjects during a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car influence of mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and name sake and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet just a few years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I worked as a BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've collected a few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 Galaxie 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first race car to the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found the car locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was last registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought it in pretty close to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not bolted to the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was about 32 years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a rotisserie at my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly the inner support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in beautiful condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all the critical areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild many moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, including a small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, that is, according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' competition book, a factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I bought the car. The trans is non-overdrive. I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who know TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. Sincerly, Dave Hogye dlhogye@ aol.com ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 2 09:13:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:13:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen-Update of Guest List Message-ID: FOT, I am going to try to get back into the detail of planning for The Glen. Our engine is largely installed after being run on UNCLE JACK'S test stand. Broken pieces located in transmission and awaiting delivery of replacement parts. I think #197 is going to make it to the Glen. Right now I am updating the FOT GUEST LIST.....If you are coming and not running, I will want your name. And your S.O., if this applies. (I especially want your name if you are doing something to support our event) Please respond....this may be the last run I have at this. Thanks, Joe Alexander From budscars at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 10:25:27 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:25:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend References: Message-ID: <004301c8f4bc$60264950$0302a8c0@Bud> Thanks Dave..for taking the time to fill us in...If you are at the Monterey Historics look me up..I'll be with Jerry Burr, # 108 Formula 4 Legrand looking forward to meeting youi Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend > Hello Friends of Triumph, > My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I live > in > Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the Cleveland, > Ohio > area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest > recollections. > The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar Cleveland > where > he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some great > pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the subjects > during > a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car influence > of > mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and name > sake > and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet just a > few > years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I worked > as a > BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've > collected a > few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 > Galaxie > 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first race > car to > the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found the car > locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was last > registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought it in > pretty close > to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not bolted > to > the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was about > 32 > years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a > rotisserie at > my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly the > inner > support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in > beautiful > condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all the > critical > areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild many > moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, including > a > small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, that is, > according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' competition > book, a > factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I > bought the > car. The trans is non-overdrive. > I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who know > TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. > Sincerly, > Dave Hogye > dlhogye@ aol.com > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 2 10:49:48 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:49:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Please let me know if you need any reference pictures of my TR3 race car. ~Steve Belfer On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote: > Hello Friends of Triumph, > My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I > live in > Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the > Cleveland, Ohio > area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest > recollections. > The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar > Cleveland where > he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some > great > pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the > subjects during > a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car > influence of > mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and > name sake > and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet > just a few > years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I > worked as a > BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've > collected a > few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 > Galaxie > 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first > race car to > the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found > the car > locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was > last > registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought > it in pretty close > to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not > bolted to > the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was > about 32 > years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a > rotisserie at > my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly > the inner > support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in > beautiful > condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all > the critical > areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild > many > moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, > including a > small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, > that is, > according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' > competition book, a > factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I > bought the > car. The trans is non-overdrive. > I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who > know > TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. > Sincerly, > Dave Hogye > dlhogye@ aol.com > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 3 08:18:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:18:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire- Large Journal 1300 Scraper and Windage Tray Available Message-ID: FOT I have an I - J scraper and a windage tray 'work in process' and now available. Contact me if you would like to pick up this cancelled order. Thanks, Joe A From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Aug 3 11:38:29 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen apparel order Message-ID: <4895ED15.7040301@bright.net> The "drop dead" date is at hand. Production will start August 11 so orders must be in by Friday, August 8. Thanks to Scott Janzen for all his work and to all FOT members for their support of this project. Since it is a political year, remember - "order early, order often". Ted From vanlake at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 3 12:56:06 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:56:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS Message-ID: <080320081856.9732.4895FF46000747080000260422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your application? thanks Mark. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Aug 3 14:54:30 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS References: <080320081856.9732.4895FF46000747080000260422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <018b01c8f5ab$2051bea0$0602a8c0@desktop> Heavy duty gasket from Moss Motors and dry. 695-050 & 695-060 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT List (FOT)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS > Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of > exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with > the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your > application? thanks Mark. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Aug 3 16:19:35 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS In-Reply-To: <018b01c8f5ab$2051bea0$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <216567.62593.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I second this! Great gasket at a decent price...and they are reuseable many times. Also available for the TR3-4 motor. - Ed - Charly Mitchel wrote: Heavy duty gasket from Moss Motors and dry. 695-050 & 695-060 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT List (FOT)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS > Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of > exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with > the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your > application? thanks Mark. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 4 04:12:29 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:12:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on a solid axle TR4? From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 4 05:24:39 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: Henry, Are you saying you have? Anything is possible, these old crocks we run around in and race are not getting any younger you know. Plus they weren't all that stout to begin with, except when compared to MGs... Metal fatigue is a real issue, and not just for suspension and steering bits. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on a solid axle TR4? _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 06:14:04 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Henry; My TR4 had that problem and I think it came from putting in heavy oil years ago. When I rebuilt it I added gussets on the back side for more support after rewelding the bottom to the frame. My TR3 was also showing signs of pulling loose. Dean T. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame > on a solid axle TR4? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Aug 4 09:09:07 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts References: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Bolts are usually for tightening in tension. But the bolts for the rear lever shocks are different in that when the lever arm moves up or down during a bump, the shock body wants to rotate. If the bolts are not tight (in tension) then the body of the shock will rotate and the holes in the support will become oval. This could lead to weakening the support welded to the frame. I found it difficult to get a socket on the hex head because there is so little clearance beween the socket and the recessed part of the casting for the shock body. To keep mine tight, I made 4 tubes 1-1/4" long and mounted the shocks with bolts 1-1/4" longer than the original bolts. This puts the hex head further away from the shock body and because the hex head is now away from the casting, it allows me to get a big socket on the head to make sure the bolts are all really tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Henry Frye" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > Henry; > My TR4 had that problem and I think it came from putting > in heavy oil years ago. When I rebuilt it I added gussets on the back > side for more support after rewelding the bottom to the frame. My TR3 > was also showing signs of pulling loose. > > Dean T. > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > >> Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame >> on > a solid axle TR4? > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net B > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > B > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Aug 4 12:26:00 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> References: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Message-ID: <0d86109344f98374b6b8c271da575a2a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > I found it difficult to get a socket on the hex head because there is so > little clearance between the socket and the recessed part of the casting > for the shock body. I made a tool for this - I took a Snap-On socket and turned down the outer diameter until it fit on the recess. John From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Aug 4 13:03:49 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003601c8f664$d4297b70$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Henry I have seen this and its worth noting that the Works Rally TR4's had reinforcing of the rear turret in period to stop this sort of thing happening (even with the larger DAS10 mount). I run a couple of mods on BST82B which are similar, but using a DAS9 type adjustable twi nvalve shock. So far any failure ive had has been of the arm of the shock detaching or snapping, usually as a result of getting the car airborne off a decent sized jump. The turrets dont show any signs of failure after 5 years of hard work. Usually the u bolts and the restraining hoops snap and the diff ends up reshaping the rear of the parcel shelf if im being naughty .... so you hear a good whack to let you know that youve destroyed the rear end. If you want to know more about what Im running email me off list. Best regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on > a solid axle TR4? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Aug 4 13:40:21 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing References: <000101c56d48$e9c34a90$6501a8c0@purplebox> Message-ID: <00fa01c8f669$ef13f280$0302a8c0@Charly> This is an olde subject that I'm rekindling now. What is the working pressure of the PI metering unit? I seem to recall that the injectors close at about 80psi. What is the minimum needed to run them at 6000rpm's? I've got a gauge connected to my pressure line at the pump relief valve and get a drop to about 90psi @ 5000 rpm's and can't hardly see 6000 rpm's. I think this is a fuel pressure problem as I've checked timing, ignition and metering unit and that seems to be okay. I've got plenty of vacuum @ idle and can richen it up easily via the choke cable. Could this also be the maximum fuel adjustment? I'm still running a Lucas pump and I show 120 psi when idling and cold, the pressure drops a little as the fuel warms up. When I accelerate the pressure starts to drop to about 100 psi and as I get to 5000 rpm's the pressure drops to about 90 psi. Any thoughts or ideas? I'm looking at going to the Bosch pump, but I also want to make sure this is the right area to focus. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry and Cindy" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: Tr6 PI and racing > We have used Lucas PI on race cars since it was new. I have experience > with them on outright formula race cars and triumphs > > The system off a TR6 or 2.5PI is fine up to a point. The biggest problem > you will have is the pump. Lucas PI pumps were great when new, but are > now mostly stuffed. We use a bosch pump but they produce such pressure > when loaded , that they destroys the TR relief valve. We run 2 modified > Lucas valves in parallel. The other hassle is that in other than flat > out use, there is a lot of hot fuel being returned to the tank. If you > live in a hot are, you will need a fuel cooler in the line. Also, don't > be tempted to run a small tank, as the fuel gets too hot. > > The vacuum control unit is biased to "nice" road car use. For race use > find a "snail cam" arrangement and ditch the vacuum controller. These > were fitted to all the proper Lucas race systems and can still be found. > > The Lucas bung seals in the metering unit will not handle many types of > modern unleaded fuel without stuff up. Test one in a sealed jar of the > petrol you use for a few weeks > > We have not found much improvement with lengthening the intakes , but > have proven they like a very long snorkel with cold air intake feeding > the plenum box. Basically, the longer the better > > A couple of local racers have converted their system to full electronic > with a single throttle body, but none of them have ever found meaningful > power increases as far as I'm aware > > Terry From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 4 15:30:30 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Car for Sale Message-ID: <000c01c8f679$52658600$29df6c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> I have decided to sell my 1969 GT6 project. From Nevada. Rust free and straight. Has been off the road since 1977. Pedal box with Girling cylinders set up with Tilton remote bias. All of the 240Z, TR6 axle parts ready for Steve Smith to make one of his bullet-proof set-ups. Composite rear spring, drilled, lightened backing plates. Heim-jointed chrome moly strut rods. 3.23 gear. Aluminum blank dash and door panels. Re-built motor with forged pistons, etc. Stepped intake setup with three 40 DCOE Webers. Joe Alexander front and rear aluminum engine plates. Two TR6 trans., one GT6 trans., Koni shocks. Delrin front bushings. Fiberglass transmission tunnel and new stock lower valance panel from Racer Bud. Great start for a neat GT6. Located in West Virginia. John McCue From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 4 15:35:09 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE9@server.Triumph.local> No, that was not it, Don. The shock was tight in the mount. The mount just pulled off the frame. The shock is not broken, the frame seems sound in the area where the mount pulled off. It didn't burn through at all when I welded it back on, so I am thinking I'm fine. I was just wondering how common this failure was. From a couple of public and private messages I got, it's happened before, and it will surely happen again. I'll probably fabricate some gussets for both sides and weld them in when I get a chance. Just another thing to keep the watchful eye on. Cheers > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Elliott > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > > Bolts are usually for tightening in tension. But the bolts > for the rear lever shocks are different in that when the > lever arm moves up or down during a bump, the shock body > wants to rotate. If the bolts are not tight (in tension) > then the body of the shock will rotate and the holes in the > support will become oval. This could lead to weakening the > support welded to the frame. From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 4 23:24:01 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing Message-ID: <4897E3F1.8070807@cyberspeedway.net> Charly, Once you start using a lot of fuel the pump might not keep up, especially if it has some wear. Pressure is just resistance to flow so if the output flow remains constant during an increase in demand, the pressure will go down. More revs per minute need more fuel per minute. Kas' system used two pumps but I don't know if he ran both all the time. If this were a hydraulic system like I deal with every day, I would say the pump is giving up. The flow of a worn pump goes down with pressure increase because it bypasses more flow internally. The Lucas pump is a gear type and you can easily dissasemble it for inspection. Poor filtration will kill a gear pump's efficiency in a heartbeat because all the clearances are fixed. The gear pump elements of the Lucas pump are quite well made and I suspect expensive to produce back then. I think most of the Lucas pump problems were electric. I would use a modern 10 micron absolute filter on the suction side. I don't know what the original Lucas filter was rated but back then nobody paid attention to absolute filter ratings except Milspec. Try to find a filter which uses a good synthetic media for the element. Any water in a cellulose element will make it swell and or send it's guts down stream. Greg Lund From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Aug 5 08:51:08 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:51:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/08 2:35:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: << The mount just pulled off the frame. The shock is not broken, the frame seem s sound in the area where the mount pulled off. It didn't burn through at all when I welded it back on, so I am thinking I'm fine. >> I better take a look at my shock mounts. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 5 11:42:28 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner Message-ID: <003201c8f722$a189a3c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Aug 5 18:18:37 2008 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Terry & Cindy) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:18:37 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080806001836.OTXM28620.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@Terry> The metering unit & injectors will work OK down to about 100PSI at the entry to the metering unit. Terry O'Beirne, roadandtrack at bigpond.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Aug 5 20:02:43 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] long runner intake man. Message-ID: <000a01c8f768$83fd1580$6401a8c0@TER2> The 1 9/16" is a standard manifold that has been ported! It probably got too thin and that is why it cracked. Greg Solow From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 5 20:00:59 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:00:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! Message-ID: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this particular convention. So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very accommodating. The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted local VTR members that are from the area for more information. The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need restoration. What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some members. I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew that crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting another FOT member and home brewer. What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR member Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had the nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we couldn't have a place to sit for a moment to eat our dogs. It's disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table. After we left in disgust the table never did fill up. We wondered if there was some cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it personally offensive. Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting behavior when individuals act in this manner. If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph Mark I'm all for it. If I have to put up with this B%% S%%t. then I guess I'll by a Miata.. Sincerely Disgusted Glenn Franco 3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer, 1500 Spit From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Aug 5 22:04:53 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! In-Reply-To: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <20080806040454.EWUF15817.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> OTOH, if the absolute worst that went wrong for you was a table that you didn't get to use; the event must have been a resounding success! Randall - who would have gladly given up his seat for a chance to attend. From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 5 23:46:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:46:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! In-Reply-To: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> References: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <832BD3D9-30EF-4AC3-89AF-E250BECBCDD1@bnj.com> You're a kinder person than I--I would have just sat down and told him to get stuffed. Anyone that tries to reserve 14 chairs at a crowded event is a dink and shouldn't be accorded any attention. On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these > conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this > particular convention. > So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very > accommodating. > The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted > local VTR members that are from the area for more information. > > The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark > and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need > restoration. > What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some > members. > > I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went > extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew > that > crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the > triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting > another > FOT member and home brewer. > > What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR > member > Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had > the > nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty > table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we > couldn't have a place to sit for a moment to eat our dogs. It's > disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full > because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the > lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table. After we left in > disgust the table never did fill up. We wondered if there was some > cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it > personally offensive. > > Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we > should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting > behavior when individuals act in this manner. > > If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph > Mark I'm all for it. > If I have to put up with this B%% S%%t. then I guess I'll by a > Miata.. > > Sincerely Disgusted > > Glenn Franco > 3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer, 1500 Spit > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed Aug 6 11:30:40 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:30:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! Message-ID: Something similar must be going on at the Glen. I went up there to help my boy with his TR-7. We pulled in and every paddock spot was jammed full. Beside the paddock is a wide open field. We were told that we could stay there as long as we didn't work on the car -- no oil changes, tire changes, etc., etc. Fortunately, I found someone who wanted to sell his garage space, and bought it. This turned out to be a plus with light, shelter, and power. Two fan belts had ripped off of my van. Along with working on the TR-7, we were able t o finally replace the belts, with massive parts store searches. That wide open field never was used. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 6 11:49:16 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship Message-ID: check out the caption... not true, but funny! http://flickr.com/photos/nowin/2736718449/in/set-72157606568832879/ Report: The trip up was uneventful (good!). Test and TUne was uneventful - and DRY. Day one was WET -> drying. At the end of the day, I was third in my class because my last run was dirty. Otherwise I would have had a 1.8 second lead. Day two was dry but cool. I left the soft setup (no rear bar) and the car wouldn't rotate at all. I wound up more than 2 seconds in the lead with _all dirty runs_. For the weekend, 8 timed runs, 1 re-run for timing errors and 1 re-run for a red flag on course and _SEVEN_ dirty timed runs! But between the lobster bake, the HUGE surface (the courses were over 90 seconds in the dry), the BBQ and the laid-back atmosphere (first car off was "11-ish") it was a great event. I def. plan to go to this event in the future. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Aug 6 15:39:58 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:39:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Looks like the food was better than the weather.....mmmmmmm jelly donuts! Only two pics of the best car there too... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: August 6, 2008 1:49 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship check out the caption... not true, but funny! http://flickr.com/photos/nowin/2736718449/in/set-72157606568832879/ Report: The trip up was uneventful (good!). Test and TUne was uneventful - and DRY. Day one was WET -> drying. At the end of the day, I was third in my class because my last run was dirty. Otherwise I would have had a 1.8 second lead. Day two was dry but cool. I left the soft setup (no rear bar) and the car wouldn't rotate at all. I wound up more than 2 seconds in the lead with _all dirty runs_. For the weekend, 8 timed runs, 1 re-run for timing errors and 1 re-run for a red flag on course and _SEVEN_ dirty timed runs! But between the lobster bake, the HUGE surface (the courses were over 90 seconds in the dry), the BBQ and the laid-back atmosphere (first car off was "11-ish") it was a great event. I def. plan to go to this event in the future. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Aug 8 07:13:50 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:13:50 GMT Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner Message-ID: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no longer supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls are thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmedDtFQmWA4DDgsM7R13Ig2 sh1EEO6pLAzekw5WssWnNrB4/ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 8 17:05:59 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice big filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. I think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to me but I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the flatness of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle Jack's "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange skimmed on a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? Of did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port in the manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head described with drawings was really nice. Tim P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 into 1 headers? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Boruch To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no longer supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls are thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 8 23:10:51 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner In-Reply-To: <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: You make a nice little brace between the two carbs with sheet metal 1/16" plus then from the middle of the brace go down to the block at the flange of the oil pan with a brace made of a 3/8" steel tube. I made an adjustable screw at the bottom with a rubber pad on the end so that I could put just a tiny bit of compression on the tube. Worked like a charm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner >I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice >big > filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. > I > think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to me > but > I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the > flatness > of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle > Jack's > "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange skimmed > on > a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. > What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? > Of > did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port in > the > manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. > Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head > described with drawings was really nice. > > Tim > > P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 > into > 1 headers? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Boruch > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > > > It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no > longer > supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls > are > thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets > welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) > > -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have > one > that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. > engine > ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports > matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 > inch. > According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake > manifold, > which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks > welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one > I > have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head > ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part > with? > Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? > > Thanks > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Click to get a loan. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 9 08:42:47 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR manifolds Message-ID: <200808091442.m79Egqo5024438@ns3.geneseo.net> Here's a treatise on intake manifolds - more than you could possibly want to know, but it's a rainy Saturday morning and not much else to do. And please recognize that somebody else may have come up with a better mousetrap than mine. Best flow - Weber type manifold next best - properly prepped long manifold next best - properly prepped short manifold next best - stock long manifold worst - unprepared short manifold Like any tube or pipe that is conducting a gas, the highest flow is obtained if the tube converges slightly. The lowest flow occurs if the tube diverges or gets bigger at the discharge end. What this means for our intake manifolds is that if you just open up the discharge end of the manifold runner, you actually decrease flow. I worked on one engine where the head had been prepped by a drag racing guy. The head flowed the highest I had seen. Then when I put his intake manifold on and measured the flow of the whole carb / manifold / head, it flowed worse than stock. This was all because he had opened up just the discharge end of the manifold runners. The difficulty with prepping a long branch intake manifold so that the runners are straight or converge rather than diverge, is that there is not enough aluminum on the casting to allow that. In order to make the runner a consistent or slightly convergent diameter is to add aluminum to the exterior of the manifold and then do the porting. This was illegal in the olden SCCA days, but we can get away with it in vintage racing by adding the aluminum and then giving it a surface finish that looks stock, so people aren't upset by appearance. I prepare a few of these manifolds a year, reinforcing so they don't crack and porting so they flow for max horsepower. It's a time-consuming and nasty job that costs $350. Nasty because it takes a lot of time to whittle out all that aluminum. uncle jack From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 9 08:50:29 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 in Charlotte Message-ID: <200808091450.m79EoYSV027195@ns3.geneseo.net> Is anyone on the list familiar with the TR8 for sale at this website? http://automotivewarehouses.com/showcar.cgi?19811442122_62201il_249_1017992 uncle jack From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 9 10:26:58 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Contact info for Andy Konopka?? Message-ID: <000a01c8fa3c$bf158720$3d409560$@net> Anyone have Andy Konopka's new phone number. The one I have is from 4 years ago before he relocated. Russ Moore From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 9 11:46:12 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale Message-ID: Check this out: http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html ~Steve From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:07:35 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:07:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen email blast Message-ID: We are about to do an email blast to 25,000-30,000 readers. Does anyone have any more news or info for the upcoming Watkins Glen event? Looks like this is going to be a lot of fun. We are bringing our Moss sponsored pub to the event and Gary Hunter will be tending bar. Joe get with me, as we need to finalize the times on this. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:12:52 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:12:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Classic Motorsports TR3 Message-ID: Sorry I have been pretty quiet this summer. Been pretty busy moving into our new office and finishing the Sunbeam Tiger project. We had a pretty disastrous outing at VIR with our TR3 at the Gold Cup in une. Man was it hot! As I was so busy, Chuck at Abacus took the car back to Virginia Beach and is working some magic on the cooling system and drivetrain. We hope to have a good test day in a few weeks at VIR with our hopefully faster, simpler and more reliable TR3 and then on to Watkins Glen. That shoukd be interesting, as I have never run there. really looking forward to seeing everyone and thanks to those who helped as I struggled at VIR. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:24:43 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:24:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 Message-ID: Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have the car nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also picked up a 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple of doors, as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors gutted in later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the glass back in the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass back into a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent interior and underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site pretty regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done for Amelia Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both the 69 and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. Looks like Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove the car. According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was to some guy named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this history. I still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. The .pdfs I found at Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does anyone know where they all are today? See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From andre at gt6.ca Sat Aug 9 20:13:19 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:13:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <366B373F-8B67-4F3F-8A0F-9AB6F85A51B3@gt6.ca> The Dance of Triumph.... hehe About time, let me guess. Floors, sills and what not? I can't wait too see more detailed photos of the beast. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 9-Aug-08, at 6:24 PM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have > the car > nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also > picked up a > 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple > of doors, > as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors > gutted in > later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the > glass back in > the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass > back into > a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. > > I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent > interior and > underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site > pretty > regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done > for Amelia > Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. > > Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both > the 69 > and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. > Looks like > Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove > the car. > According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was > to some guy > named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this > history. I > still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. > The .pdfs I found at > Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. > > Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does > anyone > know where they all are today? > > See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From twakeman at razzolink.com Sat Aug 9 21:59:28 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? Message-ID: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these days. It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 T-bird that didn't need body work instead. The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears to be untouched and the seats seem solid. Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there & put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a race car. Any thoughts? Teriann From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 9 23:51:45 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that kind of money. Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > Check this out: > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > ~Steve ********************* _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Aug 10 01:37:47 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:37:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Nurburgring References: Message-ID: <001301c8fabb$fd04fcd0$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, I'm not sure if this is interesting for you but here are some paddock impressions I took at the Nurburgring this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lh0Vx8e-_4 Cheers Chris From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Aug 10 06:27:38 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:27:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 Message-ID: Other than a few dent, probably from off course excursions, the floors and sills are perfect. There is 100% no rust in this car. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 8/9/08 10:13:49 PM, andre at gt6.ca writes: > The Dance of Triumph.... > > hehe > > About time, let me guess. > Floors, sills and what not? > > I can't wait too see more detailed photos of the beast. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > On 9-Aug-08, at 6:24 PM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > > > Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have > > the car > > nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also > > picked up a > > 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple > > of doors, > > as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors > > gutted in > > later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the > > glass back in > > the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass > > back into > > a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. > > > > I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent > > interior and > > underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site > > pretty > > regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done > > for Amelia > > Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. > > > > Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both > > the 69 > > and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. > > Looks like > > Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove > > the car. > > According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was > > to some guy > > named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this > > history. I > > still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. > > The .pdfs I found at > > Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. > > > > Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does > > anyone > > know where they all are today? > > > > See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > > ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 17 ) From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 08:23:53 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:23:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures Message-ID: There was a guy taking a bunch of pictures of the autocross Thursday. Go to www.digiproofs.com and use guest password TRRiverside. Be sure to check out the positive camber on the black Spitfire. that must have been a handful. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 From spitlist at cox.net Sun Aug 10 10:02:20 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 9:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures In-Reply-To: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to fabricate more camber compensators. So there is little chance I will run out anytime soon. Joe C. ---- pethier at comcast.net wrote: > From: Chip19474 at aol.com > > Yep...that brings back memories of my '70 Spit Mark 3 at the TRF summer > > picnic autocross back in 1999 (or 2000 can't remember!). The inside wheel > > would > > lift high enough to come back down and chirp the tires - I was a driving > > advertisement for needing a camber compensator and "what not to do" if you're > > really serious about shaving time off of your score since precious seconds tick > > away while your car is trying to sort out its geometry dilemma:) > > > As much as we might not like to admit it, Ralph Nadar was right about this. I think a reading of the SCCA Solo rules will show that steps to correct this are not only encouraged, but required, even in Stock Category. > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L, 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, 1993 Suburban, 1994 Miata C package > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 10:19:29 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures In-Reply-To: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> References: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net> <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: FWIW, I had recently bolted one of Joe's Camber Compensators to the Spitfire I ran in Ypsilanti. Marty Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0700 From: spitlist at cox.net To: 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; Chip19474 at aol.com; Spitfun at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; trmarty at hotmail.com; pethier at comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to fabricate more camber compensators. So there is little chance I will run out anytime soon. Joe C. _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Aug 10 23:08:30 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to order? I need one that is 5ft long with female fittings at each end, 1/8th inch BSP with flat contact surfaces. I must replace he plastic/nylon hose as supplied by Smiths for their oil pressure gauge. The ones sold by the mini specialist would fit, but they are only 4ft long. Many Thanks Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Aug 11 07:18:41 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:18:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moldex for Spitty Message-ID: There's a small journal Spitty Moldex on Ebay. Item number 120292724742 Now where's the one for GT6? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From bswope959 at msn.com Mon Aug 11 11:02:22 2008 From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge References: Message-ID: Try Joe Levine Alanta 404-219-0594 Wm. (Bill) Swope dba C ME GO Racing 1030 Green Valley Rd. NW Los Ranchos, N M 87107 bswope959 at msn.com (505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180 ----- Original Message ----- From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to order? I need one that is 5ft long with female fittings at each end, 1/8th inch BSP with flat contact surfaces. I must replace he plastic/nylon hose as supplied by Smiths for their oil pressure gauge. The ones sold by the mini specialist would fit, but they are only 4ft long. Many Thanks Leon http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963> _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 11 11:35:42 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weeping BSP Fitting Message-ID: Hi, I have one of the Mocal oil cooler setups... all the fittings are BSP. One line going into the cooler weeps a bit and after 5 or 6 min. of WOT I get a couple of drips under the car. I know that there are washers for AN fittings to fix mangled AN nipples, is there something similar for BSP? I haven't looked in the Pegasus catalog yet... Just curious. I'd like to replace everything with AN. But not right now. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Aug 11 11:46:49 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to > order? Buy the hose and fittings from a supplier like Ted Schumacher or Pegasus and make them up yourself. Its not as if its hard to do. Pegasus even has instructions on their website. John From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Tue Aug 12 08:10:35 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale References: Message-ID: <002f01c8fc85$30ac3060$0300a8c0@Desktop> So add it to your collection ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > >> Check this out: >> >> http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html >> >> >> ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 10:12:38 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 Race Cars Message-ID: <001f01c8fc96$3df01fa0$1502a8c0@Belkin> I am just forwarding this... m ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:22 AM Subject: TR4 Race Cars > FOT: > Do you have a classified section? > I am looking for a TR4 vintage race car. > What is available? > Cheers, > Pat McGinnis > pat at primevacuum.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Aug 12 15:24:48 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Darth Vadir, Your car is not a Chevy Impala its a TR6 Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > > > Check this out: > > > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > > > > ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 12 15:59:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:59:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Aug 12 16:34:39 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:34:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <200808121634192.SM07164@[166.70.182.40]> Bob, We've got room here in Jefferson Arkansas to store your car and trailer.......B B :) -----Original Message----- From: "Kramer, Robert" Sent 8/12/2008 3:59:27 PM To: "FOT List" Subject: [Fot] Watkins GlenI can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 18:54:22 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: Message-ID: <004101c8fcdf$24af3d70$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; I just talked to a friend of mine, Matt Bernard of Endicott, NY (607 725-9612) who does SCCA and crews for his uncle in Vintage events. His uncle is Vic Franzese, who owns the Glen Motor Inn and drives his original McLaren M12. Call Vic at the Inn, 607 535-2706 and explain your situation. He has a fenced in area (actually a tennis court) behind the Inn and often has cars and trailers parked there. Vic's a great guy and keeps a sharp eye on the cars parked there. The Inn is probably booked for the weekend, but may have vacancies early in the week if needed. Tell him I referred you and he can probably help you out. I met him in 1970 when I crewed (sp?) for Oscar, but that's a whole other story! Good luck. Bill Tobin TR6 Erie, PA ---- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen > I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed > me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on > Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the > car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to > store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 19:15:23 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: Message-ID: <004601c8fce2$115d8850$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; if you happen to be passing through Erie on the way to the Glen and have some spare time, stop and look around. We have some interesting things to do in the area, including a great state park. If coming from the west on I90, the easiest way to get to the Glen is Interstate 86, the old Southern Tier Expressway or Rt 17. Get off in Corning, go north on Rt 414, turn left at the red light and you're there. Gas is cheaper in Ohio than PA; NY is much more expensive. An exception is the Indian Reservation at Salamanca; they're less than normal NY prices. also cheaper tobacco products. Give me a call if I can be of assistance. Bill Tobin Erie, Pa TR6 814 868-8629 or 814 398-2908 at my farm----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen > I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed > me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on > Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the > car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to > store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 12 19:41:23 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <000f01c8fce5$b191c590$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Kas, Thanks for the info on the brace. We'll make one up and install it. Simple and effective. "Elegant" as the engineers would say. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Tim Murphy" ; "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > You make a nice little brace between the two carbs with sheet metal 1/16" > plus then from the middle of the brace go down to the block at the flange > of the oil pan with a brace made of a 3/8" steel tube. I made an > adjustable screw at the bottom with a rubber pad on the end so that I > could put just a tiny bit of compression on the tube. Worked like a > charm. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: "Joe Boruch" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > > >>I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice >>big >> filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. >> I >> think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to >> me but >> I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the >> flatness >> of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle >> Jack's >> "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange >> skimmed on >> a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. >> What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? >> Of >> did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port >> in the >> manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. >> Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head >> described with drawings was really nice. >> >> Tim >> >> P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 >> into >> 1 headers? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joe Boruch >> To: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner >> >> >> It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no >> longer >> supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the >> walls are >> thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets >> welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) >> >> -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: >> Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have >> one >> that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. >> engine >> ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 >> ports >> matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 >> inch. >> According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake >> manifold, >> which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the >> cracks >> welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one >> I >> have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the >> head >> ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part >> with? >> Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? >> >> Thanks >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Need cash? Click to get a loan. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 23:18:52 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:18:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: I do not think you email was meant for me. Shane From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: hottr6 at hotmail.com CC: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:48 +0000 Darth Vadir, Your car is not a Chevy Impala its a TR6 Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > > > Check this out: > > > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > > > > ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 13 11:20:21 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry Message-ID: Hi, I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found cracks in both rear trailing arms. I guess I need to deal with this: http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I was installing the bushings. Yikes. Opinions? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Aug 13 12:49:08 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR seat adapter kit Message-ID: <200808131849.m7DIn9pg359195@ns3.geneseo.net> For everybody who ordered a kit for adapting Miata seats to the TR -- they shipped today! Thanks for being patient while the shops completed the orders. For anybody who wants a kit, if you're going to be at Watkins Glen, I can deliver to you there and you will save the shipping cost. uncle jack From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 15:48:48 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:48:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry References: Message-ID: <007401c8fd8e$5eb89e80$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, I'll trade you a pair of trailing arms for your finned drums! Seriously, I have some spare arms if you need them. Will you be at Watkins Glen? Keep me posted. Bill Tobin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry > Hi, > > I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found > cracks in both rear trailing arms. > > I guess I need to deal with this: > > http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg > > I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the > trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that > crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I > was installing the bushings. Yikes. > > Opinions? > > regards, > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 13 21:05:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:05:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? In-Reply-To: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> References: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't consider anything over $1000. The description is essentially that of a parts car with no assurances as to what is missing. You said "little rust" but you also indicated floor pans need to be replaced...why? Cheers, Bill Sohl just back from VTR 08 via Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? > There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner > is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located > in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue > it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these > days. > > It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who > brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who > decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he > didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 > T-bird that didn't need body work instead. > > The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at > least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer > sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface > rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been > fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box > without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory > hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. > > There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet > kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are > loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the > car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears > to be untouched and the seats seem solid. > > Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? > I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to > better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there > & put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a > reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a > race car. > > Any thoughts? > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Aug 14 00:50:19 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 Message-ID: <001001c8fdda$04885300$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I'm looking for a source for an exhaust header for our 1961 TR4 vintage racer. We have a 4-into-1 now but the flanges are very thin and the tubes aren't that thick either. It appears to be warping badly and is a pain to fit up with the intake manifold thickness. The head is the late TR4, TR4A head with the flat above the #1 intake and exhaust ports, if that makes any difference. As a last resort I could make new flanges out of the appropriate thickness and weld the old pipes in but I'd rather replace the whole thing if I can find one that will work and is fairly "reasonable". Thanks in advance. Tim From henry at henryfrye.com Thu Aug 14 05:14:39 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 In-Reply-To: <001001c8fdda$04885300$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C20@server.Triumph.local> Define "reasonable". The header most of us run was sourced from Ken Gillanders and I call it pricy! Good stuff, though. You will never be sorry when you pay for quality the first time... However, the last guy I know that ordered one said Ken is now supplying a different one. I understand it has smaller tubes. Has anyone used that one yet? Any dyno data available? Ken??? It is common on headers for the flange thickness to be different from the intake manifold. Just use a little creative engineering with your fasteners. It will be fine. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy > Sent: August 14, 2008 2:50 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 > > I'm looking for a source for an exhaust header for our 1961 > TR4 vintage racer. > We have a 4-into-1 now but the flanges are very thin and the > tubes aren't that thick either. It appears to be warping > badly and is a pain to fit up with the intake manifold > thickness. The head is the late TR4, TR4A head with the flat > above the #1 intake and exhaust ports, if that makes any > difference. As a last resort I could make new flanges out of > the appropriate thickness and weld the old pipes in but I'd > rather replace the whole thing if I can find one that will > work and is fairly "reasonable". Thanks in advance. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Aug 14 07:22:20 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:22:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Clutch Release Message-ID: <32DE40FDEF6C4256A0B4131227A4C47F@GEOFFPC> FOT Has anyone had experience with using a Powertrain Hydramax clutch release on the TR gearbox . Does it go straight on and are their any special fitting tricks Thanks Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 08:51:35 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 block & liner Measurments Message-ID: <9221160.18334681218725495760.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Does anyone know what a block should measure from the top head surface to the shoulder where the liner sits? I am trying to determine if a block has been decked or not and don't have another block apart to measure. Also what should a new liner measure from the top to the shoulder where it sits in the block? Thanks Dean T. From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Aug 14 10:21:40 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:21:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at Roebling Road 9/5/08 - 9/7/08 Message-ID: Those of you not towing to the Glen are invited to visit the Triumph Ghetto which will be set up at Roebling Road for the VDCA/SCCA race weekend. If you have not attended this event, you'll find a low key affair with tons of track time on recently resurfaced layout. Friday's test day, with 7 sessions last year, is low-cost and paid for at the track. The Saturday/Sunday races feature two VDCA groups - large and small bore - so you get to race with a broad variety of cars. The entry fee is $200 if paid by 8/29/08. Triumph racers are invited to an exclusive gathering at the Triumph Ghetto immediately after Friday's test session. It will feature our famously fantastic cookout and the tallest tales of racing lust that you will ever hear. So get online and get that entry moving. Let me know if you are coming so we can fire up the grill! _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 10:30:32 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:30:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at Roebling Road 9/5/08 - 9/7/08 Message-ID: Leo, Dean, & Don, So many Triumphs, so many Tracks, so little Time. We will sincerely miss you guys at the Glen, but understand. Let us know how it goes........ Best Regards, Joe A > Those of you not towing to the Glen are invited to visit the Triumph > Ghetto > which will be set up at Roebling Road for the VDCA/SCCA race weekend. If > you > have not attended this event, you'll find a low key affair with tons of > track > time on recently resurfaced layout. > > Friday's test day, with 7 sessions last year, is low-cost and paid for at > the track. The Saturday/Sunday races feature two VDCA groups - large and > small > bore - so you get to race with a broad variety of cars. The entry fee is > $200 > if paid by 8/29/08. > > Triumph racers are invited to an exclusive gathering at the Triumph Ghetto > immediately after Friday's test session. It will feature our famously > fantastic cookout and the tallest tales of racing lust that you will ever > hear. So > get online and get that entry moving. Let me know if you are coming so we > can > fire up the grill! > > _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) > > Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall > > From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:06:01 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:06:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:58:15 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <00a401c8fe50$79d414c0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Jim...the electric fan is placed in front of the radiator in my race car Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Thu Aug 14 15:04:37 2008 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the annual VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from the area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut it out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. There is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be to keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! Dan Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 ----- Original Message ---- From: jim hearn To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 15:15:26 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 by a very experienced tr3 guy Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Daniel Cronin" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > annual > VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from > the > area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut > it > out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > There > is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be > to > keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > Dan > > Planning & > Development Services > A. Daniel Cronin > 248 761-2673 > > > > ----- Original Message > ---- > From: jim hearn > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: > Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > and motor > > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > [demime 1.01d removed an > attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 14 15:22:16 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, jim hearn wrote: > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, It's a tube... you can cut the cross section to make clearance and then weld in a piece to box it and you won't loose any strength. Note that the piece supports the shock towers (and to some extend it triangulates the engine opening in the frame. IMHO, the piece is way over designed. So you should be able to modify with no problems as long as you leave more than half the diameter of the tube. Round is stronger than square... rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 14 15:26:57 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: Joe Alexander had a customer brace on his car at Road America last year, a test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed piece like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should chime in any time now..... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:15 PM To: A Daniel Cronin; jim hearn; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 by a very experienced tr3 guy Racer Bud > 248 761-2673 From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 14 15:37:12 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about side impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing hanging on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening that tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 > by > a very experienced tr3 guy > > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > To: "jim hearn" ; > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the >> annual >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from >> the >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut >> it >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. >> There >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be >> to >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! >> Dan >> >> Planning & >> Development Services >> A. Daniel Cronin >> 248 761-2673 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message >> ---- >> From: jim hearn >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator >> and motor >> >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front >> of the >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch >> of >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Aug 14 16:56:42 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Message-ID: Now that sounds like a trick that might have proven useful in a 'stock' class :) On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about > side > impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension > goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing hanging > on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening that > tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" > ; > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' > in > > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 > > by > > a very experienced tr3 guy > > > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > > To: "jim hearn" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > >> annual > >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed > from > >> the > >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut > >> it > >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > >> There > >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to > be > >> to > >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > >> Dan > >> > >> Planning & > >> Development Services > >> A. Daniel Cronin > >> 248 761-2673 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message > >> ---- > >> From: jim hearn > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Sent: > >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > >> and motor > >> > >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > >> of the > >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > >> of > >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > >> > >> [demime 1.01d removed an > >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:05:58 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:05:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808141605w32fb86f5ja1c5d78dbdd03674@mail.gmail.com> I think the easiest solutionis to get a fan that fits in the space. Mine does. I did once modify the bar in the opposite direction to allow room for my crank fired ignition and cog drive fan belt that with underdrive putty. Cut the tube and then eeled on another tube farther out from the original.. The fan then went to the front. On 8/14/08, robert bownes wrote: > > Now that sounds like a trick that might have proven useful in a 'stock' > class :) > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about > > side > > impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension > > goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing > hanging > > on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening > that > > tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your > life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RACER BUD" > > To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" > > ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > > >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' > > in > > > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to > TR3-4 > > > by > > > a very experienced tr3 guy > > > > > > Racer Bud > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > > > To: "jim hearn" ; > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > > > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > > >> annual > > >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed > > from > > >> the > > >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He > cut > > >> it > > >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > > >> There > > >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to > > be > > >> to > > >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > > >> Dan > > >> > > >> Planning & > > >> Development Services > > >> A. Daniel Cronin > > >> 248 761-2673 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message > > >> ---- > > >> From: jim hearn > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > > >> Sent: > > >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > > >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > > >> and motor > > >> > > >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > > >> of the > > >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > > >> of > > >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > >> > > >> [demime 1.01d removed an > > >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of > winmail.dat] > > >> Fot mailing list > > >> Fot at autox.team.net > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> > > >> Fot mailing list > > >> Fot at autox.team.net > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:49:06 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Jim Hearn asked: > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. I use a PermaCool 16" fan (part #771-19126 from Jegs). No clearance problems. I see no reason why Bob Lang's suggestion of cutting a notch in the x-brace and boxing it will not work, except that it will be a ton of work to prevent the brace from warping during welding. Shane Ingate, back in NM. _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLY IA_whichathlete_us From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 18:00:51 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper Message-ID: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 18:56:59 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Rob I just played this game with my Spitfire last weekend. We finally got the bugs worked out of the new motor/gearbox/clutch combo and were able to run 6 consecutive sessions with no problems. In addition to the IJ crank scraper, I'm also running a 1 1/2 qt. Moroso accumulator, 13 row oil cooler and a HP-1 filter. I filled the cooler and filter with oil before attaching the hoses, and then added oil to the normal fill line on the dip stick. After warming the engine, I opened the valve to the accumulator and let it fill. Then, I added oil back to the normal line on the dipstick and went to the track. It's difficult to do (at least where my oil pressure gauge is mounted), but you need to watch the oil pressure gauge in the turns. Normal oil pressure in my car is 70-80 psi. I found it was dropping to 40 in the left hand turns, which meant that the suction tube was sucking air and the accumulator was providing the oil pressure. I added a half quart and the problem went away except for one turn. Coming off the back straight at Portland, you brake from top speed for a left-right sequence. I noted that after hard braking and sending the oil to the front of the pan, and then turning left, the gauge was still dropping to 40 psi. Added another 1/2 quart and the pressure stays at 70-80 all the time. Luckily, the field of cars was small, so I had plenty of safe time to look at gauges where I normally never would. In discussing this with the engine builder, he told me not to worry if the dipstick shows overfull in the pits since there is so much oil flying around in the engine at speed. What you need to do is to establish a new fill mark on the dipstick. During all of this, I had no oil coming out of the breathers, so I don't believe I overfilled at all, even though I've now got 6+ quarts in the Spit. Over the winter, we'll look at some improved baffles for the oil pan. Hope this helps. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:01 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] crank scraper The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 19:49:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:49:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 20:10:30 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:10:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. Message-ID: This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we have guests flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 STEVE GROH SPITFIRE ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE JOE BAROUCH TR3 DICK STOCKTON TR4 JACK DREWS TR4 TONY DREWS TR4 KEITH FILES TR4 JEFF SNOOK TR3 PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 ROBERT DEANES TR4 TIM SUDDARD TR3 BILL TOBIN TR6 BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 BOB STADEL AMBRO BOB KRAMER TR4 RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 BILL DENTINGER TORNADO BOB WISMER TR4 HENRY FRYE TR4 BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE BILL HART DEVIN DENNIS DELAP TR4 JOHN JAMES TR4 TONY GARMEY TR250K GREG HILYER TR4 BUD BABCOCK TR3 FRED HODGSON unconfirmed ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE From andre at gt6.ca Thu Aug 14 20:12:03 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:12:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C7D408D-5829-4A98-BF2A-506FF898917E@gt6.ca> Not a racer, but my GT6 will be there. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 14-Aug-08, at 10:10 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their > schedules.................we have guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with > us. The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Aug 14 20:31:50 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <706726.32577.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Thu Aug 14 21:32:25 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:32:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys two years ago! ? Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Spitfire Racer Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we have guests flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 STEVE GROH SPITFIRE ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE JOE BAROUCH TR3 DICK STOCKTON TR4 JACK DREWS TR4 TONY DREWS TR4 KEITH FILES TR4 JEFF SNOOK TR3 PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 ROBERT DEANES TR4 TIM SUDDARD TR3 BILL TOBIN TR6 BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 BOB STADEL AMBRO BOB KRAMER TR4 RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 BILL DENTINGER TORNADO BOB WISMER TR4 HENRY FRYE TR4 BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE BILL HART DEVIN DENNIS DELAP TR4 JOHN JAMES TR4 TONY GARMEY TR250K GREG HILYER TR4 BUD BABCOCK TR3 FRED HODGSON unconfirmed ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 22:53:24 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8fe92$d9da1e90$b1191718@computer> Would you mind sharing a photo of it? It sounds interesting. -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:50 PM To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed piece like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should chime in any time now..... I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:59:24 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808142159w381f0ac0w39006647dd9eecf3@mail.gmail.com> Fortunately the West Coast is not all void. Bill Hart is hauling the trailer. He is running a TR powered Devin. His rig is bringing Tony Garmey with the TR250 [What a treat that car is, if you have never seen or experienced it,you will curse Triumph for there only being one! What a great machine Kas and co came up with on short notice], and John James with his meticulously prepared TR4. Bill Babcock looks to bringing Peyote, and if it is not working, his Ambro #1 sure is. All are from Seattle/Portland. Alas my TR6 is still in development, as is the driver. Someday I will race with you all. I will be at the Glen, Snapon battery powered torque wrench at the ready to help anyone in need. Sure would like to bum a ride from one of you racersfor the tour through town and track on Friday. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, wrote: > A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't > make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys two > years ago! > ? > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire Racer > Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. > > > > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we > have > guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Aug 14 23:23:49 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:23:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper Message-ID: if you think about it you don't really change the oil level, only the volume. A little extra oil doesn't hurt and might help. The relation of the dip stick to the oil pump, crank block doesn't change when you lower the pan. I use a cast aluminum pan, spin on filter adapter, scraper and oil cooler and I take about 7 qts. oil. I haven't changed any markings on the dipstick. The added oil will help cooling the motor and probably help with oil surge problems Off to Mission BC for the VRCBC Historic races. http://www.vrcbc.ca/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>, Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Aug 15 07:06:26 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I may be off base on this topic because I have no data to support what I have been doing, but I run about a quart low on the dipstick with a 3 quart accumulator attached to the main oil galley. I watch the oil gauge and have not seen it bouncing around. The idea is to keep oil off the crank and I do have one of the Uncle Jack crank scrapers to push the oil back in the pan. Is anyone else running lower oil levels like this? I would probably be better off with one of those fancy crank scrapers and a full oil pan. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:24 AM To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper if you think about it you don't really change the oil level, only the volume. A little extra oil doesn't hurt and might help. The relation of the dip stick to the oil pump, crank block doesn't change when you lower the pan. I use a cast aluminum pan, spin on filter adapter, scraper and oil cooler and I take about 7 qts. oil. I haven't changed any markings on the dipstick. The added oil will help cooling the motor and probably help with oil surge problems Off to Mission BC for the VRCBC Historic races. http://www.vrcbc.ca/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>, Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 08:44:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:44:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen-The Legends Speak in the Village Message-ID: FOT For those who can be in the village by 3:00PM on Friday, the FoT will be represented by four Triumph guys from the 50s and 60s. There is an open forum featured every year known as the Legends Speak, in Lafayette Park. Committee Chair: Lew Durland Kas Kastner - no introduction needed. Ed Diehl- Drove for Kastner 12 Hours of Sebring in 1963 John Macartney- Triumph Factory Manager and Author. And much more Roberts Johns- Drove for the Triumph Factory in the 50s and then dropped out of sight. He is back! He co-drove the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957 with the late Mike Rothschild. Of course they will be will be with us for the duration of the weekend at the track and in our Triumph Hospitality Tent in the Paddock. check http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ for details Be there to support them, if you can. Joe Alexander From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 15 10:16:41 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5ABE9.2030909@pobox.com> Joe, How much camber adjustment have you gotten with this setup? If I'm looking at this right, for each degree camber change you'd have to move the top of the tower in by (pi/180)*(length of tower). I haven't measured the length from crossbar to the bottom of the tower, but let's say it's 10 inches. That works out to 0.17 inch for one degree of camber change. That seems doable, but to go from stock camber of -2 degree to +2 degree would require about 0.7 inches. This is for each side, so the cross piece would have to be shortened by 1.4 inches. This seems like a long way to bend those towers. Larry Young > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 15 11:49:44 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow you to pull on the right and left tower independently? Dennis N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 12:03:55 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment" ... well that much I agree with...! Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 15 12:18:58 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in a TR 3-4 frame do you? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last > year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom > designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He > should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like > it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one > time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 12:50:42 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> References: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CACD1EF36DB2B0-8B0-A53@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Yes Kas I can appreciate the rules limitations back in "the day", and no doubt that bending the chassis can and will change camber, but I just can't see any good reason to do that today, especially on a later TR with adjustable camber. Just my opinion of course... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: N197TR4 at cs.com; RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fubog1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in a TR 3-4 frame do you? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last > year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom > designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He > should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like > it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one > time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 13:54:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:54:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Dennis, No it doesnt. When you install the OEM part there is no independent push or pull, the theoretical equal amount of resistence on each side. My camber was set from 1.75-2.0 degrees before I installed the adjustable support. I only see it as a way to fine tune the camber, if I choose to do so. Thanks, Joe > Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow you to > pull on the right and left tower independently? > > Dennis > From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:06:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:06:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Exactly, Glen. Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. This would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not install this solely to use in adjusting camber. Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top of the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully in the past by sectioning the tube to shorten. Regards, Joe > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:18:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:18:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/2008 1:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it > worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in > a TR 3-4 frame do you? > Thanks Kas....while no pretense as a chassis expert, I have a background in welding and weld fixtures on rollover protection systems and chassis. The TR chassis is primitive, of course, and it wouldnt surprise me if Ken Richardson didnt add this tube as alternative design to the original after the initial testing. Reports are that Ken indicated that the original chassis was a flexible disaster. Back to work on my carbureters....Joe From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 15 14:27:55 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Exactly, Glen. > > Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. > This > would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not > install > this solely to use in adjusting camber. > > Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top > of > the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. > > My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, > methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully > in the > past by sectioning the tube to shorten. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > > >> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber >> adjustment" >> >> ... well that much I agree with...! >> >> Glen >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:40:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:40:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Kas, Aw go ahead and give us your four paragraphs. There is always some danger that we might learn something. I am all ears, even tho there is limited content between them. Joe A > I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its > value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is > going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get > to it. > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 15 14:47:57 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:47:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> References: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> Message-ID: I could imagine that it is advisable to make a cut under the tower in that traverse. If the tube between the towers is shortened than this cut can open up and taken stress from the front part of the frame. When the bending has taken place then reweld that cut together. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Kas Kastner Gesendet: Freitag, 15. August 2008 22:28 An: N197TR4 at cs.com; Fubog1 at aol.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net; RKramer at rdoequipment.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Exactly, Glen. > > Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. > This > would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not > install > this solely to use in adjusting camber. > > Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top > of > the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. > > My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, > methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully > in the > past by sectioning the tube to shorten. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > > >> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber >> adjustment" >> >> ... well that much I agree with...! >> >> Glen >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 16:57:39 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video Message-ID: http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho o_082008 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 15 17:02:37 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: Message-ID: <005b01c8ff2b$033e24a0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Good answer, Joe. I, especially, am always open to learn more!! I figure when I stop learning, they'll be planting me. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Kas, > > Aw go ahead and give us your four paragraphs. There is always some > danger > that we might learn something. > > I am all ears, even tho there is limited content between them. > > Joe A > > >> I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and >> its >> value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is >> going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so >> get >> to it. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 15 17:20:24 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390808151620s1035a942web3ddfc24e4bc708@mail.gmail.com> Nice run. A. 2008/8/15 marty sukey > http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk > > Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in > Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. > > http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho > o_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 15 17:54:10 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:54:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. References: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8ff32$37a46ef0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> We have a track in North Texas, Eagles Canyon. Someday it may be a good choice to try and mix the east and west coasters again. It's longer then Hallet but definitely a small bore track. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. >A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't >make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys >two years ago! > ? > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire Racer > Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. > > > > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we > have > guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. > The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Fri Aug 15 19:08:39 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Creative camber adjustment Message-ID: <48A62897.4060808@cyberspeedway.net> Group, Back in the '80s I knew several Showroom Stock constructors who needed more negative camber from their pos Macpherson Strut front suspensions. Of course no mods were allowed. The solution was to pick up the front end with an overhead hoist and drop the car from ever increasing heights until enough negative camber was acheived. It was just barely legal if the manufacturer didn't publish a negative camber limit but that is how national championships are won. Greg From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Aug 15 19:36:24 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Makin' it look easy...I might have needed a road map. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: August 15, 2008 6:58 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yah o o_082008 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 10:03:20 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:03:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Creative camber adjustment Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/08 6:10:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gtlund at cyberspeedway.net writes: << Of course no mods were allowed. The solution was to pick up the front end with an overhead hoist and drop the car from ever increasing heights until en ough negative camber was achieved >> I never did any real scientific moves with my negative camber. In my earlier years, I used Lee Mueller springs with the spacers taken out and cut upper control arms on my TR-3. After accumulating what was left of Donna Mae Mims TR-3, I took apart the front suspension and found short springs with the spacer s still installed. I installed them on my car with uncut upper control arms, and got approximately the right negative camber. Someone told me that this was one of the first cars set up by Group 44, when they were working in a one stall lean-to in Falls Church, VA. I wonder if they did some trick maneuver, or did just lowering the car do the job. If anyo ne has any contacts with ex-Group 44 members, maybe he can ask them. Donna Mae also told me that she upset the car once, and the Group 44 roll bar collapsed on her. I saw her this summer working grid at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030 000000007 ) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 11:24:40 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> Lots of ways to adjust camber on a TR3/4/5/6, this is certainly a good one. It would be best to anchor the bar in the middle so you could adjust each tower separately, but what the heck. The bar is absolutely necessary if you want your car to handle well, otherwise it will have variable camber as the towers bend in and out. Not good. On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow > you to pull on the right and left tower independently? > > Dennis > > > N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last >> year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom >> designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He >> should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I > like it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a > one time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:19:31 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: 40 PSI should be fine for short periods, especially if the car is nowhere close to redline. 10 pounds per thousand RPM used to be the standard, but better oils have made that less important. It's the ZERO oil pressure you get with no accumulator that zaps you. I also like to run the accumulator right into the oil gallery, where the accumulator pressure is probably the same as full RPM oil pump pressure after all the drops. On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > I noted that after hard > braking and sending the oil to the front of the pan, and then > turning left, > the gauge was still dropping to 40 psi. Added another 1/2 quart and > the > pressure stays at 70-80 all the time. > > Luckily, the field of cars was small, so I had plenty of safe time > to look > at gauges where I normally never would. In discussing this with the > engine > builder, he told me not to worry if the dipstick shows overfull in > the pits > since there is so much oil flying around in the engine at speed. > What you > need to do is to establish a new fill mark on the dipstick. During > all of > this, I had no oil coming out of the breathers, so I don't believe I > overfilled at all, even though I've now got 6+ quarts in the Spit. > Over the > winter, we'll look at some improved baffles for the oil pan. > > Hope this helps. > > Jim Norlin From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:22:42 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I run the oil level at the bottom of the dipstick with a two quart accumulator. No engine problems in years, every since I started running an accumulator on the oil gallery. On Aug 15, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I may be off base on this topic because I have no data to support > what I have > been doing, but I run about a quart low on the dipstick with a 3 quart > accumulator attached to the main oil galley. I watch the oil gauge > and have > not seen it bouncing around. The idea is to keep oil off the crank > and I do > have one of the Uncle Jack crank scrapers to push the oil back in > the pan. Is > anyone else running lower oil levels like this? I would probably be > better off > with one of those fancy crank scrapers and a full oil pan. > > -- From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:29:08 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:29:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> References: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> Message-ID: I'll tell you, there's no rigidity of any type anywhere. The Ambro #1 lacks the "roll cage" bars from the hoop to the rear spring mount that Peyote has. The front bracing is similar to Peyote. When I jack a front wheel the other front wheel comes off the ground immediately. When I jack a back corner, only that corner rises. The rest hardly lift on the springs. If I jack a rear corner on Peyote the unjacked rear wheel comes off the ground about one jack stroke after the jacked side, and the front wheel on the jacked side comes off the ground a couple of pumps later. On Aug 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes > it > worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional > rigidity in > a TR 3-4 frame do you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 16 12:40:54 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> References: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> Message-ID: Yeah, a small tang on the bottom of the tube in the middle and then a 3/4" tube to each side of the frame rail (if there is room) should hold things nicely. Make up your own ends, threaded or eyes, or rod ends. Paint it flat black and it disappears. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Dennis DeLap" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Lots of ways to adjust camber on a TR3/4/5/6, this is certainly a good > one. It would be best to anchor the bar in the middle so you could > adjust each tower separately, but what the heck. The bar is absolutely > necessary if you want your car to handle well, otherwise it will have > variable camber as the towers bend in and out. Not good. > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow >> you to pull on the right and left tower independently? >> >> Dennis >> >> >> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >> RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: >> >> >>> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last >>> year, a >>> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom >>> designed >>> piece >>> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He >>> should >>> chime in any time now..... >>> >>> >> >> I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. >> It has been in the car for two years. >> It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. >> It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. >> It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. >> Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more >> camber) >> Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. >> But it is easy to do and inexpensive. >> (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) >> It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have >> differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I >> like it) >> >> If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a >> one time >> basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. >> Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 16 15:23:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander From spitlist at cox.net Sat Aug 16 15:27:24 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, That is a terrible shock. Uncle Jack was everybody's best friend and he will be sorely missed. Please keep us all informed. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 15:31:15 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Good Heavens Joe. We are all in shock. I can only imagine what you and Tony are going through. Please give everyone our love and we are praying for each of you, the family and everyone in the FOT family. What a loss of a good man, father & friend. God Bless You All, Gary & Karla Fuqua Branson, MO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 15:42:33 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:42:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omigod! I'm so sorry to hear this! Please let Tony and Frances know my prayers are with them... and with you and Jan Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sat Aug 16 15:47:19 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74AE7.1070000@141.com> OMG!!! That was the absolute last thing I expected to see in FOT traffic today!! Joe, please pass our condolences along to Frances and Tony, and also for yourself and Jan. I am so, SO sorry. He was a great man who cared about helping others, and was a great racer, father, mentor, husband and friend. He will be extremely missed. I am sure everyone is in shock and everything is unsettled right now, but is there anything we can help with? Please let us know! Very sadly, Susan From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Aug 16 15:57:03 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74D2F.4080201@greenheart.com> Joe... I'm saddened to hear this... my heart goes out to his family... and his close friends... such as yourself... Just a little over a month ago, I lost two friends to cancer, one relatively young, one old, both too soon, within weeks of each other... Losing friends leaves various sized sink holes in our lives that no matter how much we try to fill, they just reappear. I'll miss Jack's posts and the camaraderie he brought to the newsgroups. I wish I had the opportunity to know him as you had. My father died unexpectedly after a day of snow skiing, you may even remember the day, as I shared it with the newsgroup back in '98.... There's something to be said when someone passes doing what they love to do. Thank you for sharing the news... --Justin Wagner N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >Friends of Triumphs > >Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > >I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > >Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > >It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or >medical condition. > >More information will be available later. > >Joe & Jan Alexander > > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Aug 16 16:00:17 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:00:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > Shit. My condolences to you, Joe, and Tony, and all his family. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 16:04:58 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5950D473-4C21-4C16-B386-A09929B95940@bnj.com> Damn. That took the wind right out of me. a real gentleman and a great guy. I'm proud to have known him. Sorry to all of you and his family. On Aug 16, 2008, at 2:23 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this > information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, > or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sat Aug 16 16:06:00 2008 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:06:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: This is indeed horrible news. I am simply in shock, as I know we all are. Jack was simply a fine, fine man, a good freind to all, and a perfect ambassador for our sport and the Triumph marque. God bless Jack, his family, and those of us left behind to miss him. John Houlton **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 16 16:13:44 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:13:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <005401c8ffed$591660f0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> Joe, I am in shock. My hear goes out to Frances and Tony and to you. Whatever the cause we have lost a great guy. Our thoughts and prayers are with you all. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > >> Friends of Triumphs >> >> Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. >> >> I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. >> >> Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. >> >> It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or >> medical condition. >> >> More information will be available later. >> >> Joe & Jan Alexander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com Fri Aug 8 17:38:47 2008 From: Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com (Belfer, Steve) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:38:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Brake Drums seem loose Message-ID: Last winter I bought a set of the Brembo aluminum filled brake drums for my TR3B from TRF. They get 240z units new and machine to fit. Here is the link: http://www.zeni.net/trf/sampler/41.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200 I let them sit on the shelf for a long long time and finally went to fit them up. The hole in the center lines up perfectly with the "hub" on the axle, however, it seems that the four stud holes are slightly too big. This means that the drum goes on very easily and rotates about 3/8 inch fwd and back. My heavier stock units require a good sqeeze and hand tapping to get it on all the way and it won't budge or rotate. Now, I know that when the wheel is bolted up, the drum shouldn't move but it feels bad that the steel drum fits very snug and the new one feels a little loose. I have Southwick axles and not sure this changes the fit of stock brake drums. Did I tell you these things were about 160 bucks each? My rear brakes work fine as is but thought the aluminum finned jobs would really look cool. They're also very light. The brake drums shouldn't be loose at all when fit, right? ~Steve From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:14:24 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> References: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> Message-ID: That pretty well sums it up. My heart goes out to all his family and friends. Tony, Joe.. if there is anything I can do I'm here. Marty > > Shit. > > > My condolences to you, Joe, and Tony, and all his family. > > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo _Gallery_082008 From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Aug 10 12:58:16 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:58:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? In-Reply-To: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> References: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> Message-ID: <489F3A48.9010906@greenheart.com> TeriAnn.... I've generally found that Triumph pricing is pretty much tied to how much parts and painting would cost to bring the vehicle to a good restored standard. What's not in the calculation is labor (except for labor involved with body work, rust repairs, etc. by a reputable shop). Subsequently, if you want to bring the car up to a quality of restoration that would likely be worth $15,000 in today's market, you figure out what bodywork/paint would cost and what the needed parts would cost.... to bring it to that level.... i.e. $6000 in parts, $4000 paint job.... means that such a car is worth about $5000. You mentioned your find needs new floor panels.... and possible rust issues.... would likely need a new transmission... engine rebuild, etc... this can really add up... So now, take note.... labor for restoration work other than body work/painting doesn't seem to ever be part of the equation.... The point there is.... the market rarely rewards you for your labor with these cars. Subsequently, the only people that can restore these cars to "flip"... for a real profit.... are those that can really bring down their parts and labor costs.... i.e. an established shop with access to parts cars, wholesale parts pricing, etc. Of course there are exceptions... putting in the extra elbow grease and dollars, to make the car an extremely good restoration... can equate to a significantly higher selling price...much more than the example of $15K, but then you're looking at the old, "it takes money to make money"... as you'd have to put all the more money into parts and all the more of your time and labor... On occasion, you can simply get a deal. Sometimes those "new parts" collected for that restoration that never happened are worth as much as or more than the car.... and yet the seller just lumps it in and you're really getting those parts for free, etc. So it may be worth going over this inventory of spares more carefully. I'm always amazed to hear of some great deals... usually it's because someone saw a Triumph parked in a field or behind a building, etc., that looks like it's been there for a long time... or maybe they noticed it sitting there for years... and they made inquiries... and the owner just let's the car go for peanuts. It happens. That said, I'm generally pretty amazed at how you can look at photos of Triumphs for sale, and the prices inevitably correlate very closely to what it would take to bring them up to snuff. The traps are usually the cars that are a hell of a lot more clapped out than you think... These are the ones to watch out for. It appears you're in California, as I am... trust me... you can find a TR3 that doesn't have any rust issues.... That can be difficult for our friends in parts of the east coast, etc. You can save a lot of money and headaches by starting with a relatively rust free car. I recently purchased a 1954 TR2.... and rust is not an issue....period. It's worth inspecting the rust issues closely, especially when it's already apparent that it needs new floor boards. Just my thoughts... Cheers. --Justin TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner >is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located >in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue >it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these days. > >It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who >brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who >decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he >didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 >T-bird that didn't need body work instead. > >The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at >least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer >sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface >rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been >fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box >without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory >hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. > >There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet >kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are >loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the >car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears >to be untouched and the seats seem solid. > >Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? >I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to >better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there >& put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a >reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a >race car. > >Any thoughts? > >Teriann >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 16 16:16:40 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c8ffed$c2ae3d30$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Frances, Tony, Joe, Jan and the rest of our Iowa FoT family, Our group, The Friends of Triumph, might be better named "The International Friends of a Small but Very Special Group of Iowans." You guys are without peer. Please know that the loss of Jack is a loss felt deeply by many of us over many hemispheres. Our respect, concern and love is with you. Richard Taylor Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 16:20:56 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:20:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: what kind of event was it?....what was he driving?....any track details ? ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 16 16:25:20 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:25:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have lost a treasured friend and great tuner of racing equipment. Jack had a world of friends who each have a story and thought about this wonderful fellow. To our friend Jack, lost now but never forgotten, a true sportsman and grand family man. Let us all hope that his passing now will allow him to continue racing onwards in another theatre. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Joe, > That is a terrible shock. Uncle Jack was everybody's best friend and he > will be sorely missed. > > Please keep us all informed. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:42:30 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Whoa. Words fail me. Others above have said it all for me. Uncle Jack helped me on numerous occasions, in person, and virtually. He always had time for me, and even seconded my nomination to FOT many years ago. Tony and the Drews family, my absolutely sincere condolences. Shane _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho o_082008 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Aug 16 16:42:50 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:42:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At this moment I have read that Jack Drews has died from an racing accident. I feel very sorry to hear this. He helped me so much with the pistons and other engine parts. A great man he was! Chris From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 16 17:05:34 2008 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <003001c8fff4$99452dd0$c6514c0c@user90890nvpgh> Joe Jan and the Drews family, Horrible news on the list today. Prayers out to all his loved ones. First met "Uncle Jack" and Joe A at Carlisle few years back. Always looked forward to seeing him again after that. Will miss him greatly at the Glen. Bill DeWar TR Rescue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 16 17:11:31 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:11:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A75EA3.5030803@bradakis.com> http://www.thicko.com/jack.htm mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Aug 16 17:15:06 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: My Gawd, Words can't convey the impact. Heartfelt sorrow expressed to all of the family. Beyond that, who can imagine the TR racing world without "Uncle Jack". I'm very thankful I met him . Tony and all, I respectfully offer my condolences. Our sorrows are less than yours but the Triumph world is a lesser place today. In a message dated 8/16/2008 2:24:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080816/6f5049a6/attachment.htm From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 16 17:20:26 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes Message-ID: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> I've removed the message size limits and picture filters, in case someone has lots to say or pictures they wish to share over the next few days. mjb. From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 17:19:31 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <3521984.12509481218928771367.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> This simply kicked me in my gut. The suddenness and finality of it is too much. Say it isn't true. Jacks mind was always working on some grand new project and perfecting that which was already made. I hope he can download some of his unfinnished dreams to us. Mordy From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Aug 16 17:28:31 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes - Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> References: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48A7629F.8000901@greenheart.com> While I look forward to hearing of any family-chosen charities for Jack.... in the meantime... I just donated $50.00 to Fat Chance Garage/Team.net, in Jack's name. --Justin Wagner Mark J Bradakis wrote: >I've removed the message size limits and picture filters, in case >someone has lots to say or pictures they wish to share over >the next few days. > >mjb. > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From gp89 at charter.net Sat Aug 16 17:30:01 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <3521984.12509481218928771367.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <20080816193001.TNX3S.229683.root@fepweb13> Geez Jack, I never got the wrench back to ya that you dropped at Blackhawk, now what do I do with it? Gonna miss ya. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sat Aug 16 17:32:06 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Memories of Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> References: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48A76376.2030906@141.com> Thanks for the restriction removal, Mark! Here are two pics that give me some very good memories. The first one is of Jack and me at Hallet in 2001. He had just overtaken me in a clean pass, and was bombing on to continue his storm around the track. We all joked that the photo showed clear evidence that I was taking him on the outside. :) The second one is of Jack winning the first Kastner Cup, at Mosport in 2003. He was the epitome of the sport. We will miss you, Unk! Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are all the lucky ones to have know him. My thoughts and prayers are with him and the family. The FOT has lost a special member today. Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM From budscars at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 17:58:50 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <48A74AE7.1070000@141.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8fffc$089827d0$0302a8c0@Bud> I am very sorry to hear that sad news. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > OMG!!! That was the absolute last thing I expected to see in FOT > traffic today!! Joe, please pass our condolences along to Frances and > Tony, and also for yourself and Jan. I am so, SO sorry. > > He was a great man who cared about helping others, and was a great > racer, father, mentor, husband and friend. He will be extremely missed. > > I am sure everyone is in shock and everything is unsettled right now, > but is there anything we can help with? Please let us know! > > Very sadly, > Susan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Aug 16 18:06:55 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes - Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <48A7629F.8000901@greenheart.com> Message-ID: While I look forward to hearing of any family-chosen charities for Jack.... in the meantime... I just donated $50.00 to Fat Chance Garage/Team.net, in Jack's name. --Justin Wagner Excellent suggestion. I too, just sent $50. Jack was a class guy and deserves our fondest memories. Ken Gano From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 18:27:57 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:27:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76EE9D10-1D1E-4317-A5A3-F0D640DA495D@earthlink.net> What terrible news. As a son from another "father and son" Triumph racing team, I am deeply saddened by this surprising and rotten news. Today, I snuck out to the garage to work on my Uncle Jack front axle upgrade. He emailed me some helpful advice just a few days ago. I feel so bad for Tony and the gang. :( ~Steve > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this > information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, > or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Aug 16 18:30:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <410984EB-BD60-4E17-818E-C755F9E57CB7@wi.rr.com> My heart tumbled when I stood in front of my computer and gazed upon the repeated "subject" regarding Jack. How can this be? As we all struggle to adjust to this new reality, I just want to send my thoughts and prayers to Tony and the entire Drews family. I will truly miss Jack. In Sympathy, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080816/440a25cc/attachment.htm From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Sat Aug 16 19:00:34 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:00:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <00d701c90004$a892ec40$2d620143@your55e5f9e3d2> I offer my sincere condolences to the family and freinds of Jack Drews. He will truly be missed. He was one of my heroes. Ron Sanborn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 > 5:12 PM > > From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Aug 16 19:27:33 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:27:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I am proud to say Jack was a great friend. I spent the day with the Drews family in the paddock at Grattan, and can say Jack was having a ball. He was driving well and his car was running great. And of course his car was looking great. As we were working on Tony's car I heard Jack talking to a guy that was taking pictures of his car. The guy said he was into building models and wanted to do up a model of Jack's car. I am sure that happened to Jack all the time. Jack and I were at Mosport this past June along with several other FOT. He wasn't driving that weekend, he was supporting Tony. When we were sitting around shooting the breeze, I told him I had been meaning to tell him this for a while. I thanked him for all the hard work he has done for the benefit of the Triumph racing community. Developing the Southwick Axle, taking on the spindle kits, the aluminum hubs, etc. His response surprised me. He said nobody ever thanked him for that. Now I am really glad I did. We all suffered a great loss today. My heart goes out to the Drews family. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device From tr6nut at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 19:28:42 2008 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:28:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Brake Drums seem loose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A77ECA.8090903@verizon.net> The 240z uses 12mm studs, which are bigger than the 7/16" studs that the TR uses - hence the "sloppiness". Once you bolt up the wheel, it won't move. From tr6nut at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 19:34:03 2008 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:34:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <48A7800B.2020901@verizon.net> The internet is a strange thing. You can have friends who you've never met, and the loss of one of them hits you just as hard as if you has met them in person. Godspeed Jack. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Aug 16 21:01:36 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A79490.6070101@141.com> Here's a link to a video of father & son dueling each other at Mosport in 2003. http://www.141.com/triumphs/Mosport2003/Jack%20&%20Tony.MPG Jack will certainly be missed. Brad N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > > From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Aug 16 21:30:43 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <007301c90019$a1be3770$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I am shock. I have been e-mailing Jack about my engine rebuild for the past months. We took our axle down by him to Southwick for the conversion. He was always so helpful to us. He will be sorely missed for his graciousness and helpfulness to a "newby". Our sincere condolences to Francis and Tony and family and friends such as Joe. It's hard to comprehend. We were to be at Grattan but I didn't get the engine done in time. Maybe it's best. I'm not sure I could handle such a tragedy in person. I'm at a loss for words. Tony and Francis, I'm truly sorry for your loss. Tim and Ryan Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 21:44:35 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:44:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7DF17EAF6AC54CDDB54D8840C8BF638A@hal9000> I am deeply saddened by the news of Jack's passing. I never met him in person but we corresponded quite a bit. He has advised me on several occasions in building my own TR4 and from here on I can look at my car and be reminded of him all the little things he helped me with. I'm sure I'm not the only one. My heart goes out to the Drews family and I would like to say thank you Jack for your kindness and advice. Godspeed, Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 16 21:48:08 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=97160 Sad to hear the news, condolences to all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: August 16, 2008 5:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 21:56:15 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <017b01c9001d$32f55400$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, condolences to his family and friends. This is terrible. I met Jack and Tony at Grattan last year; they were very friendly and helpful. Before I found out who he was, I was talking to him about the uprated front spindles on my TR6. He questioned me about their quality and ease of installation. When I answered positively about about both, he smiled, held out his hand , and said, "Hi, I'm Uncle Jack!" They were his spindles! Great guy. He and Joe stopped in Erie last spring on their way to Boston. We had dinner and went for ice cream. Fun time. I'm running a 10k foot race tomorrow; I'll do it in Jacks memory. Thanks, Jack, for everything. Sadly, Bill Tobin----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From gwizracing at cfu.net Sat Aug 16 22:08:14 2008 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A7A42E.1090904@cfu.net> This is the saddest news. Carol and I are completely heartbroken. Our thoughts and prayers are with Jack's family. Jack was indeed "*_The __Gentleman_ _Triumph_*". His family and friends including the "Friends of Triumph" have suffered a great loss today. Jack, Joe and myself all worked at John Deere before retiring. Jack has always been a good friend and was a gentleman at work as well as at play. It was Jack and Joe that helped me build my TR4 and enjoy racing with them. His help was always excellent and graciously given. The world lost a true racing gentleman today. Gary Wiezorek Formerly TR4 #96 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 00:38:15 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:38:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Amen Gary!! New Owner of "Former #96" that is now # 69. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/277dc369/attachment.htm From gasket.works at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 02:03:54 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Mr. Jack Message-ID: <25245003.21390551218960234706.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=97160&catid=2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He was the most stand up guy your could ever want to work with and woudl do anything to help anybody. Tony, I am so sorry for your loss but take comfort that he went out doing what he loved to do, we should all be so lucky. Mark Weathers 72 TR6> From: N197TR4 at cs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 -0400> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan> > Friends of Triumphs> > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information.> > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan.> > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition.> > More information will be available later.> > Joe & Jan Alexander> > > _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/52490d5e/attachment.htm From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 07:17:41 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:17:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACE82C3295B05-84-393B@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Joe...Tony... so sorry to hear this... You're in my thoughts & prayers, please pass my condolences on to the rest of the family. RIP Jack Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 5:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:23:05 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 7:23:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] I offer my sincere condolences to the family and freinds of Jack Drews. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080817102305.IWHW6.226745.root@fepweb16> I never met Uncle Jack, not sure I even conversed with him on the forum. With tears in my eyes, I can only offer my prayers to Jacks family. Obviously a huge loss to our small community. When one of us laughs, we all laugh. when one of us cries, we all cry. God Speed to Uncle Jack. Bobby Whitehead CVAR GT6+ From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 08:24:55 2008 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] RE. Jack Drews died this afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <956441.7108.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Francis, Tony, Joe and Jan, My deepest sympathy for the great loss. My thought and prayers will be with you in this time of grief. Jack was a prince of a man. I shall cherish memories of he and Francis taking me into their home and sharing lunch with me the time I picked up the TR 3 head he had reworked for me. And the tape of "Racing Blues". Thanks Uncle Jack you were loved by all. Rest in peace. Ken Suhre From igofaster at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:29:56 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 7:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080817102956.P4YT9.226851.root@fepweb16> My Triumph GT6 has been moved from Group7 to Group2, in the group change Eddie Dick has a Sprite and it seems we shared the same #54. So , I'm getting new numbers for the GT6... #53... I had this thought while I was at the vinyl sign shop tomorrow, to get a small vinyl lettering to add to the body work.... "In Memory of Uncle Jack" Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR Triumph GT6 From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:44:41 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:44:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <48A83959.3070504@charter.net> Unfortunately I never had a chance to meet Jack. I have admired his dedication to the sport, his abilities, and his inventiveness. My condolences go out to family and friends. Sincerely Glenn Franco Steven Preiss wrote: > I am so sorry to have heard the news of this untimely loss. Jack > Drews, along with Kas and Joe Alexander, epitomize the inventiveness > and generosity that is FOT. I'm grateful to him, Mark B and all the > leaders of this fine group for providing me with a valuable and > enjoyable forum and brotherhood. Long live the memories of Jack and > the Triumphant legacy he leaves behind. > Steve P. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 09:17:42 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:17:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: This is my last correspondence with Jack: <> That might be a problem, Jack. The whole time that I have been fooling around with this stuff, I have only come by one long manifold, which is on the car now. I will look around. Bill.>> Jack's spindles are on the car, and a few other things. What a terrible calamity.


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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Aug 17 10:02:48 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:02:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, words fail me. My thoughts are with Tony and Frances right now. I know that this felt like a gut punch to me, and can only imagine how his family feels right now. We've lost a good man. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Aug 17 10:07:06 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:07:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He was always a guy which was fun to discuss technical things. He had the mind to understand and his ideas were great. His advice was to try a narrow rods from a V8 as a replacement of the stock rods. He has ordered pistons, rods and bearings for me without know me and being several thousand miles away. I'll miss this very interesting conversations we had per mail. He also invited me to Road America and would have organize all to comfort me but unfortunately this was beyond my racing budget. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. August 2008 17:18 An: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; gwizracing at cfu.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan This is my last correspondence with Jack: <> That might be a problem, Jack. The whole time that I have been fooling around with this stuff, I have only come by one long manifold, which is on the car now. I will look around. Bill.>> Jack's spindles are on the car, and a few other things. What a terrible calamity.


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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00 030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Aug 17 10:34:07 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race Message-ID: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll all cry for Jack in our own time. Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way to honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He certainly did. It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. Bill From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sun Aug 17 10:46:56 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:46:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <48A79490.6070101@141.com> Message-ID: <48A23A1E00D84007@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Dear all, I have had the privilege of knowing Jack for a short time; Jack took the barn find (thanks Joe) that is my blue TR4 and turned it from a mess into the race car that it is today. Jack had a wealth of knowledge on these cars and absolutely nothing was a challenge to him. I had the pleasure of staying with Jack and Francis in Geneseo a couple of times and you could not have wished for better company from a hugely charming couple. I last saw Jack at Mosport in June when he was in fine form and, as always, very attentive towards me, my family and my car; he will be sorely missed by us all over here in the UK. Keith. From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Aug 17 11:16:53 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> References: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Thank you Bill for saying it much better than I could. Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/94d34db5/attachment.htm From cofrog at q.com Sun Aug 17 12:00:56 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: Awful news. Met the man once at Hallet and was greatly impressed. Had several very helpful phone conversations and did a number of pleasant business transactions with him. Extremely knowlegeble and a true gentleman. Jack, along with Joe Alexander, are the heart a soul of FOT and our small group along with his family and friends have suffered a greivious loss. I found this picture of him taken yesterday: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/5721581_pbP3K#353158408_3SQt4 Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/1234ed21/attachment.htm From cofrog at q.com Sun Aug 17 12:04:52 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:04:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: Awful news. Met the Jack once at Hallet and was greatly impressed. Had several very helpful phone conversations and did a number of pleasant business transactions with him. Extremely knowlegeble and a true gentleman. Jack, along with Joe Alexander, are the heart and soul of FOT and our small group, along with his family and friends, have suffered a greivious loss. I found this picture of him taken yesterday: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/5721581_pbP3K#353158408_3SQt4 Dan Forgey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/bd26ff63/attachment.htm From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 17 12:12:20 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:12:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sigh Message-ID: <48A86A04.70103@bradakis.com> On sunday mornings our local community radio station has a 4 hour folk music type program [ http://www.krcl.org ] For some reason the programmer played about 4 different versions of 'Knocking on Heaven's Door' so far this morning. Interesting choice of background music for going through the saddening emails of the last 24 hours. Sigh. Time to get off my butt, I've Triumphs to work on! mjb. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 12:27:33 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:27:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe and Jack Message-ID: Carlisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/a3327908/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCN0782.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42529 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/a3327908/attachment-0001.jpg From m-syork at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 13:41:41 2008 From: m-syork at comcast.net (Mark York) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:41:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <000001c900a1$4615d3a0$3e5e164c@markv8zno7deim> Most racers here in the Northwest never get the chance to haul our cars to events in the Midwest or East Coast. But a few of us were lucky to meet Joe and Jack at the Seattle Historics and the Columbia River Classic in Portland in 2006. Part of the CRC is a "block party" to celebrate the vintage spirit. Everyone is encouraged to dress the era of their choice (40's, 50's 60's etc). Attached are a couple rare photos of the Northwest FOT group with Uncle Jack and Joe. When asked where he got the vintage leisure suit, white belt and shoes Uncle Jack said (with a huge smile on his face) "it was hanging in my closet". We were the fortunate few... Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/1236966e/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But a few of us were lucky to meet Joe and Jack at the Seattle Historics and the Columbia River Classic in Portland in 2006. Part of the CRC is a "block party" to celebrate the vintage spirit. Everyone is encouraged to dress the era of their choice (40's, 50's 60's etc). Attached are a couple rare photos of the Northwest FOT group with Uncle Jack and Joe. When asked where he got the vintage leisure suit, white belt and shoes Uncle Jack said (with a huge smile on his face) "it was hanging in my closet". We were the fortunate few... Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/0cf2bfb5/attachment.htm From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sun Aug 17 15:26:21 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:26:21 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <48A75EA3.5030803@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <006201c900af$e5468290$0201a8c0@Bevan> How terribly and tragically sad. Speaking from the far side of *the pond* I have to admit all ignorance of having met or known Jack Drews. That said, it was clear to me a very long time ago when I was first allowed to be a FOTer, that Jack was a very special person to so many. To become special to anyone requires many aspects of good character and its obvious from the tributes I've read this far, that Jack had those qualities in abundance. My greatest sadness is that he and I have been like two vessels passing unacknowledged in the night. Jack so clearly a large ship of great renown - and me, just a tiny little raft bobbing on the water. I had so looked forward to meeting him somewhere 'along the road' I'll travel next year in the Triumph Charity Drive, but this will never be. My deepest condolences to Jack's family, his many close friends - both on the track and off, together with all those whose lives he touched. I know he will be deeply missed by all but surely we should also rejoice in knowing that his passing came about simply doing something he loved - and that in doing it, he could revel in true happiness. Jonmac From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Aug 17 18:46:37 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Tony and Frances I am so sorry for your loss. We are all shocked and saddened by the loss of Uncle Jack. He was a great help and inspiration to us all. Here are a few photos I have of our Beloved Uncle Jack. 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Name: Picture 538.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 152347 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/53922e13/attachment-0003.jpg From triosan at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 19:28:16 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> References: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808171828v35fe51c6q9a72298323d3455c@mail.gmail.com> Thank's Bill. That was a very nice piece. Joe, I know the shock and loss will last a life time for you. I am sorry for that. Sorry too that I never met Jack, though we comuned often on this site. Still have a set of his axels too install this winter. Tony, my condolences to you and your family. Your dad will live on in the memories of many, many people. The tributes on this list speak to that. I have alws=ays told my wife that vintage racing is "safe", but should I die doing she will know I died happy. Love to you all. Chuck Arnold On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look > forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost > to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a > motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply > don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The > stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real > feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other > things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the > hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. > I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took > me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll > all cry for Jack in our own time. > > Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen > "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of > time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way to > honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He > certainly did. > > It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing > something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it > would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was > still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being > with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure why Uncle Jack seemed so intent on reading the sheet music, as it was quite apparent that he knew all the words by heart. I was born on a farm out in iowa A flaming youth I was bound I would fly away I packed my grip and I grabbed my saxophone Can't read notes, but I play anything by ear I made up tunes on the sounds that I used to hear When I'd start to play folks to say 'sounds a little goofus to me' Sure gonna miss him. DT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure the next time I take a ride in my street TR4A it will run even better with the parts in it from Uncle Jack. Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From jfrymark at aol.com Sun Aug 17 21:50:04 2008 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 21, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D0699CE-38B2-4315-8C46-513DF43DA2A7@aol.com> Like others just getting this news, I am deeply saddened by Uncle Jack's passing. He was a real "Gentleman Racer". My heartfelt sympathies to Tony and the Drews family. John Frymark On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jack's race (Chuck Arnold) > 2. Re: Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan (David Talbott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:28:16 -0700 > From: "Chuck Arnold" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack's race > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: FOT List > Message-ID: > <8cbd782d0808171828v35fe51c6q9a72298323d3455c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank's Bill. That was a very nice piece. > > Joe, I know the shock and loss will last a life time for you. I am > sorry > for that. Sorry too that I never met Jack, though we comuned often > on this > site. Still have a set of his axels too install this winter. > > Tony, my condolences to you and your family. Your dad will live on > in the > memories of many, many people. The tributes on this list speak to > that. > > I have alws=ays told my wife that vintage racing is "safe", but > should I die > doing she will know I died happy. > > Love to you all. > > Chuck Arnold > > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look >> forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost >> to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a >> motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply >> don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The >> stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real >> feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other >> things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the >> hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the >> loss. >> I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took >> me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll >> all cry for Jack in our own time. >> >> Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen >> "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of >> time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way >> to >> honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He >> certainly did. >> >> It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing >> something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it >> would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was >> still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being >> with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. >> >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/e7da1f9c/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:47:26 -0700 > From: "David Talbott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > To: , > Message-ID: <000501c900d4$5e2cf080$6801a8c0 at LatitudeD530> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Oh, my. What a shock to return from a weekend away to this > dreadful news. > > As I've been thinking of Uncle Jack this evening I keep recalling > the line > from The Wind in the Willows about there being nothing "half so much > worth > doing as simply messing about in boats." For Jack, it seemed, it > was only a > matter of replacing the "boats" with "cars," and he was indeed a happy > camper. > > The attached photo was taken at Road Atlanta in 2005 shortly after the > Kastner Cup festivities were complete, and several of our beloved > Iowan's > had put together a little presentation for Richard Taylor. I'm not > sure > why Uncle Jack seemed so intent on reading the sheet music, as it > was quite > apparent that he knew all the words by heart. > > > I was born on a farm out in iowa > > A flaming youth I was bound I would fly away > > I packed my grip and I grabbed my saxophone > > Can't read notes, but I play anything by ear > > I made up tunes on the sounds that I used to hear > > When I'd start to play folks to say > > 'sounds a little goofus to me' > > > Sure gonna miss him. > > DT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > >> Friends of Triumphs >> >> Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. >> >> I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this >> information. >> >> Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. >> >> It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver >> error, or >> medical condition. >> >> More information will be available later. >> >> Joe & Jan Alexander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Goofus.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 124648 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/0489903c/attachment.jpg > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 21, Issue 31 > *********************************** From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 23:56:59 2008 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:56:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <081820080556.25833.48A90F2B0002BE12000064E922135285730E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> My goodness! Just returned to town and logged on. What a shock to hear that Uncle Jack has passed away. If it wasn't for Uncle Jack and his buddy Joe Alexander, I'd probably still be thinking about getting into vintage racing. They answered my VTR ad about purchasing a Triumph vintage racer in December of 2004. When I was in Chicago on business the following January, I managed to sneak away and drive over to Geneseo to take a look at a red TR4 that Jack and Joe were selling. Uncle Jack and Frances were very gracious to me. After breakfast we went out into the garage and crawled all over #24, but frankly, it was hard not to keep my eyes off of Jack's blue and white TR4. The workmanship was amazing and the Triumph was a winner just sitting there. I knew I was in the presence of someone who was a professional in this field. It was a no brainer for me. I bought the car and left Uncle Jack with a lengthy laundry list of "enhancements" suggested by him. Uncle Jack was very fair in his prices, the quality of his work was outstanding and he delivered on time. I can't remember how many times he answered my calls and responded to my e-mails, but it was a bunch. I echo all the sentiments I've read tonight, Uncle Jack was a great mentor, racer, family man and an icon in FoT. My condolences to Frances and Tony, Joe and Jan and all the folks who knew "Uncle Jack" far longer than I have. John James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Godspeed Jack. > Hugh Barber > Stafford, VA From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 06:23:47 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] JACK Message-ID: <452206.46748.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is the man that we will all miss. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/3760661c/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 413-1378_IMG.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 234278 bytes Desc: 467585339-413-1378_IMG.JPG Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/3760661c/attachment-0001.bin From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Aug 18 06:39:14 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Aftrenoon at Grattan Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF746DC@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> I am very sorry to here that Jack has pasted away and give my condolences to his family and friends. I never met Jack personally but when I would call him he would always come to the phone to talk to me about my car, he always seemed to share a little time with me. I know that Jack will be missed by a great multitude of people world wide. Was hoping to see him at W.Glen for I have as Jack called it a"clone" of "Old Blue". Rob Deanes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/032a1e5f/attachment.htm From Group44TR7 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 06:50:44 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:50:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Amici Like many of you, my acquaintance with Jack Drew was initiated through Friends of Triumph. Jack and I have had a steady dialog over the years on a variety of non Triumph subjects in which it became clear that the same substantive values for which we respect him in FOT was a characteristic of his overall life. Jack was one of those rare people who one just continually gained more respect as you got to know him better. As big a lost as I feel in my life from his passing, I realize is small compared to that of Frances, Tony, and his family (of which Joe Alexander must certainly qualify as an extended member). Cary **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/cee0b698/attachment.htm From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 07:34:27 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <856492.17138.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Francis, Tony, Joe, Jan and all the FOT, Thank you Bill for saying this so well. I have no words right now, but I want all of you close to Jack to know that Jan and I have you in our thoughts and prayers. Many things can and have been said about Jack ... and they are all good. I only hope that we as the FOT will carry the enthusiasm and good will forward with the qualities that Jack shared with us all. Whatever Jan and I can do, please let us know. Bill Babcock wrote: I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll all cry for Jack in our own time. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/70199806/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 08:45:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:45:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/912dfc19/attachment.htm From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 09:03:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for keeping us all informed. I read one link someone posted of anews report. It indicated he did not lift at the end of the straight and probably had suffered a heart attach. I have been thinking about him, racing,life and death. To die while doing the thing you love,to die with your passion, that is something I think we all probably would choose as the way to go. Dying with your family at the side of your bed after an illness, as my father did, provided comfort to those of us who are there, but is not how he would have chosen to go. So,at the start of each race and practice day, I intend to say goodbye and be at peace with all who are about me,and someday, I too,might die with my boots on. I hope this post has not been offensive to anyone,it certainly is not meant to be. Chuck 2008/8/18 > FOT, > > Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. > > Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. > Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and > responsible for much of who Jack was. > > Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday > or Thursday. We expect to hear something today > > In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life > & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH > PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am > hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans > to be at The Glen. > > The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first > recipient of the Cup. > > Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. > > Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our > 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, > and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his > mentoring. I owe him much. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/aa720361/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 09:14:02 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chuck, I suspect that like myself, many others were also thinking along the same lines. You were just the first to say it. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:03 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Thanks for keeping us all informed. I read one link someone posted of anews report. It indicated he did not lift at the end of the straight and probably had suffered a heart attach. I have been thinking about him, racing,life and death. To die while doing the thing you love,to die with your passion, that is something I think we all probably would choose as the way to go. Dying with your family at the side of your bed after an illness, as my father did, provided comfort to those of us who are there, but is not how he would have chosen to go. So,at the start of each race and practice day, I intend to say goodbye and be at peace with all who are about me,and someday, I too,might die with my boots on. I hope this post has not been offensive to anyone,it certainly is not meant to be. Chuck 2008/8/18 FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/7b340028/attachment-0001.htm From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 18 10:30:18 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:30:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Vintage-race] Jack's funeral] Message-ID: <48A9A39A.10404@bradakis.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Vintage-race] Jack's funeral Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:25:22 -0500 From: Wm. Severin Thompson To: , I spoke with Frances this AM. She's doing as well as someone can during this difficult time. She thanked everyone for their kind words. Services will be on Thursday, 10:30 AM at http://www.geneseolutheranchurch.com/ That's Concordia Lutheran in Geneseo, IL. There will be visitation on late Wed. afternoon, but I don't have details on that yet. WST From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Aug 18 11:10:29 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:10:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0E7202EA@kb1.mossmotors.com> Jack and Joe met up with me the first time I got a chance to attend the Mitty. They took a shy gearhead and made him feel welcome to the Triumph camp. Since then, I've had the honor of being engaged by their new projects and right now I'm seeing Jacks grinning face as he puts forth another cool idea. Keep on tinkering Jack. I feel sure there are milling machines for gearheads in heaven. Kelvin Dodd Global Sourcing Engineer, Moss Motors, Ltd. www.mossmotors.com 440 Rutherford Street Goleta, CA 93117 Phone : 805.679.7023 Fax: 805.692.2520 E-mail: doddk at mossmotors.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 11:12:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:12:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Geneseo, Illinois Concordia Lutheran Church Jack Drews Message-ID: FoT, et. al. Please check the website for current forthcoming details http://www.geneseolutheranchurch.com/ Sevices for Jack are indicated to be at 10:30AM Thursday with a visitation Wednesday. Home address for The Drew's Frances Drews 514 North Vail Street Geneseo, IL 61254 Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/b1806513/attachment.htm From igofaster at charter.net Mon Aug 18 12:10:20 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:10:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> I've dropped off an idea or two at my local vinyl sign shop In Memory of Uncle Jack small window stickers, in white.. I have a vinyl stick on in color of the FoT logo to see if the color version can be applied somehow... don't know if it can be. If interested drop me an email and I will forward what I come up with for free. In Memeory of Uncle Jack #59 TR4 Friends of Triumph email interest or suggestions to me.. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6 igofaster at charter.net From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 18 12:15:21 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:15:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Jack Drews Message-ID: <48A9BC39.2010503@cyberspeedway.net> I am so sorry to hear the sad news. My heart goes out to his family. I never met Jack but through this group I felt I knew him and he will be missed. The internet builds bonds with groups like this from people all over the world who never meet face to face but feel a comraderie. I didn't know this until now but I spent the first 29 years of my life 40 miles from Jack. I wish I had met him. Greg Lund From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 12:52:30 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:52:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Thanks for picking this up Bobby. I'm quite sure there will be many of us that will want to display something on our cars in Memory of Uncle Jack. Count me in!! Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua 63 TR 4 # 69 (With lots of work done by and parts from Uncle Jack) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/17620d15/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 13:51:28 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> References: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> Message-ID: <4FC493164E604FD7B284DD6EBCC6D828@newcomputer> Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car in a color that fits. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:10 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack I've dropped off an idea or two at my local vinyl sign shop In Memory of Uncle Jack small window stickers, in white.. I have a vinyl stick on in color of the FoT logo to see if the color version can be applied somehow... don't know if it can be. If interested drop me an email and I will forward what I come up with for free. In Memeory of Uncle Jack #59 TR4 Friends of Triumph email interest or suggestions to me.. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6 igofaster at charter.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 14:32:58 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:32:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Thanks guys....the target time frame would be to have them to hand out at Watkins Glen. Joe > Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on > signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. > > If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in > a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car > in a color that fits. > > Joe C. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/2fac6842/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:03:45 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:03:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 08/16/2008 5:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > We have lost a treasured friend and great tuner of racing equipment. Jack > had a world of friends who each have a story and thought about this > wonderful fellow. To our friend Jack, lost now but never forgotten, a true > sportsman and grand family man. Let us all hope that his passing now will > allow him to continue racing onwards in another theatre. > Amici... I also was racing my 56 TR3 in that SPRINT RACE at GRATTAN on Saturday afternoon. Uncle Jack had just passed (lapped) me early in Lap Ten. I did not see the accident, but as I approached the flag bridge, I saw them grabbing for flags. As I approached Turn ONE, I saw Jack's gorgeous blue and white TR4 standing straight up in the air, resting on the boot. The crash had just happened. The car had gone over a significant curb, through a gravel trap, and hit an earth berm at full bore. After the initial impact, it must have launched straight up in the air and come back down on its boot. Corner ONE had still not gone YELLOW, but they were reaching for the flags. I made it through ONE and got a RED FLAG from Corner TWO. My wife Shirley was standing with Frances Drews watching the race from the deck above the garages on the front straight. From that distance it is pretty hard to see clearly what happened. But they knew there was a big crash, and they knew it was Jack. I don't care to say much more about the accident, because it was terrible. The wheel base on Jack's car appears to be 10-12" shorter than it used to be. Jack was my dear friend. I hate to say it, but I do not think his serious injuries were the kind no one would want to live through. Kas suggests Jack is now racing in another theater. It's a metaphor, but a great thought I share. Anyone who knew Jack really close, knows he was very, very religious. We all knew him as a TRIUMPH GURU, but Jack was multifaceted. He was the Choir Leader at his church. The VSCDA often has a short, informal non-denominational service on Sunday mornings at race events. Jack Drews always attended those services, and would often lead them. There was one held yesterday at GRATTAN as well. Jack was not able to lead it, but I'll bet he was there in spirit. Many gave their feelings about the tragedy. There was a common thread. Consensus was that Jack had a heart attack, or maybe fainted, doing something he loved to do...he was racing. No need to feel bad for Jack. He is doing just fine! Feel bad for those of us left behind. For Frances, for Tony, his daughters, grandchildren, and the rest of us. It is our great loss. JACK DREWS...First in Class, First Overall, every day, in every way. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/3990bddb/attachment.htm From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:09:19 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:09:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: That would be AWESOME!! Please keep me posted. Gary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/b6d9d8b2/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 15:13:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383ECFDFCD2B4C698977F352549B27BB@newcomputer> When is Watkins Glen? If we can have the exact wording, size and the number of each colors, I will see what I can do. Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:33 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Uncle Jack Thanks guys....the target time frame would be to have them to hand out at Watkins Glen. Joe Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car in a color that fits. Joe C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/20d65aa8/attachment-0001.htm From tr5racer at btinternet.com Mon Aug 18 16:43:20 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:43:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <696826.73646.qm@web87109.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Our thoughts are with Frances and Tony and the rest of Jack's family at this sad time. From all the Brits that raced at Mid Ohio in 2002 Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Memorials may be made to Concordia Lutheran Church or LCMS World Relief. Jack was born September 22, 1936 in Danville, IL the son of Christian and Zora (Quick) Drews. He graduated from the University of Illinois and married Frances Schmidt on June 12, 1960 in Hebron, NE. Jack had worked at Hyster Company and then for John Deere Company before retiring in 1998. Jack was member of Concordia Lutheran Church where he was the choir director and held various other offices. He was also a member of the Geneseo Kiwanis. Jack enjoyed working on and racing vintage sports cars and the friends that he made through his hobby. He also enjoyed taking vacations with his family, singing in barbershop quartets and music. Survivors include his wife, Frances; a son, Tony Drews, Moline, IL; two daughters and a son-in-law, Christine Drews, Raymore, MO, and Lisbeth (Timothy) Schaubroeck, Colorado Springs, CO; four grandchildren, Samantha and Victoria Drews, and Micah and Adam Schaubroeck; and one brother, Phillip Drews, Stewart, GA. He was preceded in death by his parents. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/c827f8d3/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/37bb81a9/attachment.htm From igofaster at charter.net Mon Aug 18 21:40:43 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:40:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Aug 18 22:04:27 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:04:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:45:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan I have been away from my computer at an event in WA...I read of Jack's demise in the newspaper this morning. It is so sad, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. Heaven has another bright star today. My sincere condolences Leon F Guyot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/316a3c5b/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 22:24:18 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:24:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> Message-ID: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color lettering that best suits their car's colors. Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat transferred multicolored vinyl.) 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl lettering) 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions on which direction I should go. Regards, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:04:26 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:04:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/1fb4151a/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:25:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Gary! Please bear in mind that multiple lines and sizes of letters are no more expensive than a single line. It is just the amount of Vinyl at that point that dictates the cost. So if we want, it is easy to combine some of the suggestions and therefore make the thing more acceptable to everyone. Joe C. _____ From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com [mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/362fae2b/attachment-0001.htm From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 23:26:49 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/8c90bf16/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:34:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> References: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> That can be done but it will be much more expensive to produce because of two factors: Artwork is involved A different process has to be used (Heat transfer of colored vinyl onto the white or black substrate) It will also take longer because it is a multiple step process. Since timing is certainly an issue, please take that into consideration. Joe C. _____ From: Gary Horstkorta [mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:27 PM To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/3a072701/attachment-0001.htm From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 23:35:58 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:35:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: Is it possible to use the existing FOT coat of arms with Jack's name and number ? Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:24 PM To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color lettering that best suits their car's colors. Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat transferred multicolored vinyl.) 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl lettering) 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions on which direction I should go. Regards, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:39:08 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:39:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: I am totally open on that. Just want everyone to realize that time is of the essence and simple is usually best. I just need to hear from a few as to what is the favored representation we want and we can go from there. Gary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/e489ee49/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:45:44 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <492E234557D24BCF843177575E785173@newcomputer> Now you are talking about BIG bucks. While the artwork for the FOT logo is already done, there are 6 colors that have to be layered onto the decal. I thought of that already but figured that it would be pretty prohibitive in both time and expense to produce something that complex. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:36 PM To: 'Joe Curry' Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Is it possible to use the existing FOT coat of arms with Jack's name and number ? Jim G From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 01:44:17 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:44:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews arrangements Message-ID: <20080819064615.F08CF18766F@autox.team.net> As you are probably aware, Jack Drews died Saturday, Aug. 16 while racing his lovely Triumph TR-4 at Grattan, MI. We believe that he blacked out behind the wheel, causing him to drive off the end of the front straight without braking or turning. It appears that he suffered a basal scull fracture in the impact with the embankment. He was doing what he loved, with the people he loved. We will all miss him, but he is in a better place now. We have been overwhelmed by the support both at the track and upon returning home, and are grateful for everyone's thoughts and prayers. We will be having visitation on Wednesday, Aug. 20 from 4:00 pm to 7:00 pm at Stackhouse Moore Funeral Home, 225 E. Park Street, Geneseo, IL 61254. The funeral will be on Thursday, Aug. 21 at 10:30 am and will be followed by a luncheon at Concordia Lutheran Church, 316 S. Oakwood Ave, Geneseo, IL 61254. His obituary is on-line at: http://www.webfh.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=196598&fh_id=10589 (or go to www.stackhousemoore.com and choose the link to Jack Drews on their main page) For those who would like to attend from out of town, Geneseo has two recently built hotels: AmeriHost Inn 309-945-9345 1375 S. Oakwood Ave Geneseo, IL 61254 Rates: 2 queen beds: 77.99 plus tax (86.57), 1 king bed: 66.99 plus tax (74.36) Directions: Coming from the I-80 exit to Geneseo, this is near the interstate behind the "Culvers" on the right hand side of the road. Super 8 Motel 309-945-1898 765 W. Main St. Geneseo, IL 61254 Rates: 2 double beds: 66.99 plus tax, 1 king bed: 62.99 plus tax Directions: Coming from the I-80 exit to Geneseo, turn left at the 2nd light (Main street). The hotel will be on your right near the edge of town. For those unable to attend that would like to honor Jack, donations may be sent to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund, 514 N. Vail, Geneseo, IL 61254. Or, you may make a donation in Jack's honor to the charity of your choice. Thanks, Tony Drews From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 02:10:57 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:10:57 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Singing with Uncle Jack in mind Message-ID: <03b901c901d3$1c6d9280$0201a8c0@Bevan> This forum is not and almost certainly never was brought into being with religion in mind - but perhaps, under the circumstances, we may err slightly towards the issue of Sacred Music with Jack Drews in mind? I had no idea that Jack was also a Choral Director and this is another reason for wishing I had known him because we could have shared a lot outside the arena of Triumphs and racing. It must surely be a coincidence that on 21st August, another funeral will be taking place in England at which I will be present as a member of the choir. All Saints Church in Evesham, England sits on the site of Evesham Abbey - once the third largest Abbey in England until its destruction in 1540, so the land on which the church stands has had a strong Christian tradition for more than 1000 years. Last night, we were practising two anthems for our funeral service and you can hear them both on YouTube. They are well-known, simple, lilting melodies and harmonies and the versions we'll be singing were arranged by one John Rutter The first is called "A Gaelic Blessing" www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYZKjG_Des&feature=related The second is "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMP-aTqJSU Jack will be very much in the forefront of my mind on the 21st as All Saints choir performs these anthems Jonmac From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 04:54:57 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:54:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> References: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> Message-ID: There is a version of the logo in black and white... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: spitlist at cox.net To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 CC: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews That can be done but it will be much more expensive to produce because of two factors: Artwork is involved A different process has to be used (Heat transfer of colored vinyl onto the white or black substrate) It will also take longer because it is a multiple step process. Since timing is certainly an issue, please take that into consideration. Joe C. From: Gary Horstkorta [mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:27 PM To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/185ca84f/attachment-0001.htm From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Aug 18 14:50:21 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:50:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a real accomplishment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real > problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. > > I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is > to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I > can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color > lettering that best suits their car's colors. > Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few > blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. > > Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: > > 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat > transferred multicolored vinyl.) > > 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl > lettering) > > 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. > > > Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions > on which direction I should go. > > Regards, > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, > I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most > important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and > sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack > Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... > How can we make this happen? > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM > To: Joe Curry > Subject: RE: stickers... > > Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the > project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm > going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. > It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never > met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened > the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There > are over 30 requests as of this evening. > I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. > I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? > It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? > > If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base > > of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. > > > In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) > > #59 TR 4 (middle) > > Friends of Triumph (lower portion) > > BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has > some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM > From: Joe Curry > To: igofaster at charter.net > Subject: RE: stickers... > Size: 4 KB > > Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced > > and sent wherever necessary. > > What I need is the following: > > 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. > 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut > vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) > 3. The address of where I need to ship them. > > If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time > to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional > ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I > can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be > responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. > > > Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. > > Joe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Aug 19 06:22:15 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire Message-ID: Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here is a significant car for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1528 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/d64af208/attachment.bin From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 19 06:48:32 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: I don't know if anyone has suggested this or not but what about using Jack's number 59 logo, the 59 surrounded by his rounded box, with lettering above saying "In memory of Uncle Jack" and underneath saying "Forever a Friend of Triumphs"? Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:50 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a real accomplishment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real > problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. > > I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is > to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I > can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color > lettering that best suits their car's colors. > Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few > blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. > > Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: > > 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat > transferred multicolored vinyl.) > > 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl > lettering) > > 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. > > > Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions > on which direction I should go. > > Regards, > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, > I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most > important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and > sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack > Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... > How can we make this happen? > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM > To: Joe Curry > Subject: RE: stickers... > > Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the > project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm > going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. > It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never > met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened > the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There > are over 30 requests as of this evening. > I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. > I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? > It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? > > If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base > > of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. > > > In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) > > #59 TR 4 (middle) > > Friends of Triumph (lower portion) > > BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has > some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM > From: Joe Curry > To: igofaster at charter.net > Subject: RE: stickers... > Size: 4 KB > > Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced > > and sent wherever necessary. > > What I need is the following: > > 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. > 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut > vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) > 3. The address of where I need to ship them. > > If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time > to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional > ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I > can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be > responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. > > > Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. > > Joe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 06:58:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:58:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Thanks for doing this.... Two versions alternating black and white to serve contrasting colored cars seems right. 100-150 pieces may be more correct. I will take care of the costs. Joe A > I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all > be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it > would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is > the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a > real accomplishment. > Steve P. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/2230bb6d/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 07:07:43 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:07:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? > diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the > number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before > and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/a2ad6834/attachment.htm From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Aug 19 07:44:27 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire Message-ID: Paul If there is anyone at this moment of time that would like us to continue our dialog about cars and racing, it would have been Jack. This is at least the second time that this racecar has been offered for sale on ebay. It is a Group 44 constructed racecar, it is not one of the team's race cars. The price has dropped considerably from when it was offered previously. If the car has been truly restored back to the original Group 44 specifications, it is worth the asking price. However, most of these cars have significant race modifications which replace the original parts and since this is a 1974, its not clear that vintage groups would accept it despite its pedigree. Since some of the original parts were specially constructed by Group 44, its difficult to replace them. These are relatively rare cars. In talking with Lanky, the team made one of these car about every year. Cary In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:22:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, macdonaldp at rogers.com writes: Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here is a significant car for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 Paul _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/27302aff/attachment-0001.htm From andre at gt6.ca Tue Aug 19 07:52:23 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390808190652k1c3353f7re7ba03239cdee7e9@mail.gmail.com> http://race-cars.com/carsales/triumph/1187755735/1187755735ss.htm A. 2008/8/19 > Paul > > If there is anyone at this moment of time that would like us to > continue our dialog about cars and racing, it would have been Jack. > > This is at least the second time that this racecar has been offered > for sale on ebay. It is a Group 44 constructed racecar, it is not one of the > team's race cars. The price has dropped considerably from when it was > offered previously. > > If the car has been *truly* restored back to the original Group 44 > specifications, it is worth the asking price. However, most of these > cars have significant race modifications which replace the original > parts and since this is a 1974, its not clear that vintage groups would > accept it despite its pedigree. Since some of the original parts were > specially constructed by Group 44, its difficult to replace them. > > These are relatively rare cars. In talking with Lanky, the team > made one of these car about every year. > > Cary > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:22:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > macdonaldp at rogers.com writes: > > Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here > is a significant car for sale. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB > %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where *you* want to go. Find your travel deal * > here* . > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/d4704f51/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 19 08:30:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:30:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: In a message dated 08/19/2008 8:08:24 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger > did in honor of Mike Belfer. > Right, and I agree it is most appropriate. For the record, while I was involved, that Mike Belfer decal was actually produced by Steve Plater, another close friend of Mike Belfer and fellow racer. Not important, but I bring it up because Steve Plater too expired in his race car (heart failure) at ROAD AMERICA a few years back, after setting a new 'personal best' ROAD AMERICA lap. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/a7388957/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 19 09:31:41 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:31:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Check out Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing - MLive.co Message-ID: Click here: Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing - MLive.com Amici... There is a very nice article concerning Jack Drews' passing in this morning's Grand Rapids newspaper. As you can imagine reference to the tragic accident was sketchy on Sunday due to scant details. But they are blessed with a serious motorsports reporter in Grand Rapids, and he stayed on the story until he could get details. Good for him. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/16845ea8/attachment.htm From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Aug 19 09:44:59 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have smiled... For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this fraternity of misfits. I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us their cars, they introduced us to the scene. In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. (Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. That made me feel good. As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New Blue. Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an engine that ran right, all the time. The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, actually. When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my car! Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me on my way. As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual occurrence at the Drews house. Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I did. I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to all Triumph racers who knew him. He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever could. I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to make that place better than it already was... From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 10:08:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing - MLive.co In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EAC7959-CBBD-4570-837F-287744E6BCE9@bnj.com> Nice article. I didn't think of Jack's recent surgery when I heard about the accident, I always saw Jack as being so healthy, I doubted the blackout theory, but now I'm not so sure. I remember he was a bit nervous about the surgery when I talked with him about the engine he was building for me. I like the last line of the article--" he was a very down to earth person." That's probably ultimate praise in the midwest I remember driving into Geneseo and thinking the town could be a movie set for 1950's small town america. When I pulled up with Nero in tow, Jack was sitting in his porch swing, enjoying a cigar. Later at a track somewhere I gave him one of the pre-embargo cuban cigars I hoard and it seemed he didn't know whether to smoke it or mount it on a wall. I know Jack was a sophisticated guy who had been around. He chose to live in a small town where kids can ride their bikes to the park. He chose to have a "full cleveland" leisure suit in his closet-- tanned rested and ready for the Columbia River Classic vintage party. He chose to be a "very down to earth" person. Nice guy. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:31 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Click here: Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing > - MLive.com > > Amici... > > There is a very nice article concerning Jack Drews' passing in this > morning's Grand Rapids newspaper. As you can imagine reference to > the tragic accident was sketchy on Sunday due to scant details. But > they are blessed with a serious motorsports reporter in Grand > Rapids, and he stayed on the story until he could get details. Good > for him. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/81bd9d32/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 10:23:41 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/f2d2c747/attachment.htm From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 10:25:23 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:25:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Shirts (T-shirts only) honoring Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01c90218$2f290d60$8d7b2820$@racer@comcast.net> Joe/Ted: Great idea and an appropriate way to honor Uncle Jack. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Shirts (T-shirts only) honoring Jack Drews List, Ted Schumacher called a few minutes ago with a proposal to further honor Jack Drews, using the Watkins Glen T-shirts, currently in process. On the sleeve will be a Triumph Emblem with Jack's name and M/Y of birth and death. Simple and Elegant and Appropriate. I told him to go ahead with this. If anyone would like to order shirts that has not, this is the time to do it. You have 24 hours until it is released to production. If you have ordered shirts and would like to add to your order, this is also the time. Dont hesitate. Deadline: Noon 20 August 08 Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net Thank you Ted....... Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/6cf1c363/attachment.htm From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Tue Aug 19 10:29:20 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:29:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Sounds great to me. I would still be happy to coordinate and ship decals for those not able to make the Glen. Gary Fuqua **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/9bab935e/attachment-0001.htm From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 10:28:29 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> References: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> Message-ID: <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> Joe: Excellent, put me down for two please. I'll be happy to contribute to the cost of production. Gary From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:24 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/c59da0fe/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 10:44:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:44:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews ------Decal Acquisition Message-ID: FOT Thanks for initiating this Bobby Whitehead. Thanks to Joe Curry for following through. And all else for inputs............. Sounds like we will have them at Watkins Glen. Contributions of any sort welcome to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund at the Glen. Outside of that, please send Snail Mail with your request and any voluntary contribution to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund. The cost of production is already covered...... I cant deal with this on email as I am backed up by over 400 emails. I may not get these out for a few weeks after I get them, as I am seriously booked up in time. (No complaint here, just a fact) Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 > Joe: > > Excellent, put me down for two please. I?ll be happy to contribute to the > cost of production. > > Gary > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/883ed00e/attachment.htm From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 12:26:06 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:26:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.loca l> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20080819172805.7A4CF18763D@autox.team.net> Henry, I had hoped you'd do us proud at Grattan. Good job. Nice writeup, too! - Tony At 09:44 AM 8/19/2008, you wrote: >I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you >think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. >On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though >my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but >was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by >less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the >two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have >smiled... > >For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this >fraternity of misfits. > >I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at >the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race >car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were >running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't >know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife >Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is >far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real >feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us >their cars, they introduced us to the scene. > >In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue >what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. >(Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had >tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, >took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. >That made me feel good. > >As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful >ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set >out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to >build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a >breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America >in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New >Blue. > >Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs >something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare >gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had >it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me >the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I >was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to >drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. > >And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for >wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New >Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an >engine that ran right, all the time. > >The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets >showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was >sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told >Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of >course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, >actually. > >When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event >was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time >in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to >reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on >it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my >car! > >Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond >picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in >with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop >we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to >Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews >hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me >back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and >I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this >hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of >the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a >good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me >on my way. > >As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual >occurrence at the Drews house. > >Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop >and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. >Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, >and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were >wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He >always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I >did. > >I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up >the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". > >Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to >all Triumph racers who knew him. > >He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever >could. > >I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to >make that place better than it already was... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 11:50:12 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:50:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> References: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'll take ten and kick in $200. I suggest that any surplus go to the Jack Drews Menorial Fund. On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Joe: > > Excellent, put me down for two please. I?ll be happy to contribute > to the cost of production. > > Gary > > From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:24 AM > To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net > ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you > think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. > > I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4? in > diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of > two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto > the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3?. I > could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won?t > be as prominent. > I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white > decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any > color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to > the car?s paint. > The decal will have Jack?s 59 in the middle (in the same font he > used on his car) with the ?In Memory of Uncle Jack? all in black > lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. > The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I > can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them > by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. > > So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to > meet the deadline. > > Thanks, > Joe C. > > > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net > ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill > Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. > > Joe A > > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white > circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory > of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve > seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse > color scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/82af8416/attachment-0001.htm From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Aug 19 12:56:50 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:56:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Joe, You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of Progressive Signs, in Denver, Colorado. 303.427.6405 . I've had him do a couple these things for me, as well as some Historic Group stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye sublimation printer. He can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is not a bullet proof image, but after some years in the sun, they still look all most new. It opens up your possibilities, there are no added costs for added colours, short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and cost is reasonable. Bill On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" writes: OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4? in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3?. I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won?t be as prominent. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car?s paint. The decal will have Jack?s 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the ?In Memory of Uncle Jack? all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate debt and lower month expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2bkbsyBwsIybZaUxztjq7fKNGSk2aKkmcHSRNS46uUgRVQ/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/4ebe4f7d/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 13:03:52 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <61C8A08A0F6747F8964C4373775F3CAF@newcomputer> Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but I am already moving ahead with the project. Joe _____ From: William G Rosenbach [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 AM To: spitlist at cox.net Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net; fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Joe, You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of Progressive Signs, in Denver, Colorado. 303.427.6405 . I've had him do a couple these things for me, as well as some Historic Group stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye sublimation printer. He can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is not a bullet proof image, but after some years in the sun, they still look all most new. It opens up your possibilities, there are no added costs for added colours, short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and cost is reasonable. Bill On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" writes: OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 ____________________________________________________________ Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast and effective programs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/0b9ff46d/attachment-0001.htm From tr5racer at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 13:12:51 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:12:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fot] In memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: <244681.15339.qm@web87110.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Our thoughts and condolences go out to Frances and Tony and all of Jack's family at this sad time. From all the Brits that raced at Mid Ohio 2002. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/64e7c31a/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 13:25:54 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <420240.66648.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61C8A08A0F6747F8964C4373775F3CAF@newcomputer> <420240.66648.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <183CDB56199D4528BBE1668B83C6CE53@newcomputer> Please do not send any orders or money to me. I am still working on distribution details. It appears that there are a number of folds who want them and are not going to be at the Glen event. I will make a formal announcement as soon as the details are worked out. Thanks, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell [mailto:dmitchel at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:17 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Joe, I'll take two of the stickers. I have your home address, and will send you a couple of bucks in the next few days. Doug Doug Mitchell 1145 Lakeside Dr. Howell, MI 48843-1329 --- Joe Curry wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but I am already > moving ahead with the > project. > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: William G Rosenbach > [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 AM > To: spitlist at cox.net > Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; > GSFuqua1 at aol.com; > igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net; > fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > > > Joe, > > You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of > Progressive Signs, in Denver, > Colorado. 303.427.6405 . > > I've had him do a couple these things for me, as > well as some Historic Group > stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye > sublimation printer. He > can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is > not a bullet proof > image, but after some years in the sun, they still > look all most new. It > opens up your possibilities, there are no added > costs for added colours, > short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and > cost is reasonable. > > Bill > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" > writes: > > OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. > See what you think and > let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. > > > > 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that > is 3-3/4" in > diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger > size because of two > factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the > decals onto the > available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it > were 3". I could do more > on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording > won't be as prominent. > 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I > do a black on white > decal with a heavy black circle on the outside > border. That way any color > car will be able to use it and not have the decal > blend in to the car's > paint. > 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in > the same font he > used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" > all in black lettering > around the perimeter just inside the black outline. > 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 > bucks. I think I > can have them finished by the end of this month so I > can ship them by > Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day > air. > > > > So I await feedback. I need to get this into work > today in order to meet > the deadline. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe C. > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; > spitlist at cox.net; > igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > > > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with > one that Bill Dentinger > did in honor of Mike Belfer. > > Joe A > > > > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about > a sold white circle (3" > diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In > Memory of" above the > number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've > seen a similar decal > before and it looks very nice. The reverse color > scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast > and effective programs. > Cys6I0sB1XVIhc930oxEMBt/> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 17:23:25 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:23:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (Drews) Thursday Invitation, Thanks to all Message-ID: <20080819232307.88F80187877@autox.team.net> For any of you planning to attend Jack's funeral on Thursday, there will be a luncheon at the church after the funeral, and you are welcome to stop by our house in Geneseo after the luncheon to celebrate Jack's life and times. We even washed the garage floor so we'd have more places to stand around and tell tall tales. 514 N. Vail, Geneseo, IL 61254. Thanks for all of the messages of sympathy and offers to help! There's so many that I can't always reply individually. We do read and appreciate each one, though. As we're sorting through affairs after this week, we may be leaning on folks for help in getting top dollar out of some of Jack's Triumph stuff (like his street TR-6). The tribute stuff is touching too. I'll definitely be sporting one of the decals when they become available. Thanks, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 17:03:00 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 18:28:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:28:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Sometime about 1989, I went to one of those boring useless meetings we were having at John Deere those days. Jack got up with his portion of the presentation. I had never met him before and he introduced himself. Jack said that his occupation was not at really at John Deere. He said, "I AM A RACE CAR DRIVER". After the meeting, I followed him back to his office and we had our first conversation, regarding cars and racing. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/2919ebe5/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 18:39:57 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:39:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: #2. I was standing outside the fenceline at IRP facing the RH carousel that goes to LH turn onto the main straight. A red Turner stepped sidways, caught the sidewalls, and rolled, ending up in the infield grass The next car through was Uncle and he pulled immediately off of the track and went to the aid of the driver. I caught him in the pits, getting out of his car. He put his arms on my shoulders and lost it. He said, "I thought it was Irv". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/cb3dada4/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 18:54:57 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: #3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". (I am sure it was a point of discussion in the tower, too) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/270de1a4/attachment.htm From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 19:04:56 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:04:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: <082020080104.14623.48AB6DB8000217FC0000391F2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com #2. I was standing outside the fenceline at IRP facing the RH carousel that goes to LH turn onto the main straight. A red Turner stepped sidways, caught the sidewalls, and rolled, ending up in the infield grass The next car through was Uncle and he pulled immediately off of the track and went to the aid of the driver. I caught him in the pits, getting out of his car. He put his arms on my shoulders and lost it. He said, "I thought it was Irv". Yeah, I remember that one as well. Lots of bad things happened in that race, and it was probably the reason that VSCDA stopped going to Indianapolis Raceway Park. I came in after the red flag, Jack was already in the paddock. Before I had even gotten out of the car, and with tears in his eyes, he hugged me and told me that he thought it had been me that had rolled over. Another favorite memory also at IRP. My first race there was in 1999, my 3rd race ever. Jack told me that in a TR4, you could go through corner 1 flat out in 4th. I worked my way up to it, and of course he was right. Passed several guys going into 1 thanks to that tip. He never told me that I could do that in corner 2 as well. He saved that one for Tony. :-) Jack built an engine for my car, and when it was ready, I came out for the weekend so we could put it in the car and I could take the car home. We got everything installed, and the engine wouldn't turn at all. After much discussion, it was determined that the new flywheel bolts were too long. I went home that Sunday evening without my car. The next morning, around 11:00 AM, Jack called me. He said "listen to this" and my new engine roared to life. By 11:00, he had pulled the tranny, removed the flywheel, shortened the bolts, re-installed the tranny, and had it running. You guys that only met him on the phone or via email and thought he was special, you were right. The luckiest of all were the ones that got to be with him. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/f103ae86/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 19:12:00 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:12:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: <082020080104.14623.48AB6DB8000217FC0000391F2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007201c90261$c04f5e40$0302a8c0@Bud> Man!...he must have been one heck of a Guy...The email stuff is Incredible... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com #2. I was standing outside the fenceline at IRP facing the RH carousel that goes to LH turn onto the main straight. A red Turner stepped sidways, caught the sidewalls, and rolled, ending up in the infield grass The next car through was Uncle and he pulled immediately off of the track and went to the aid of the driver. I caught him in the pits, getting out of his car. He put his arms on my shoulders and lost it. He said, "I thought it was Irv". Yeah, I remember that one as well. Lots of bad things happened in that race, and it was probably the reason that VSCDA stopped going to Indianapolis Raceway Park. I came in after the red flag, Jack was already in the paddock. Before I had even gotten out of the car, and with tears in his eyes, he hugged me and told me that he thought it had been me that had rolled over. Another favorite memory also at IRP. My first race there was in 1999, my 3rd race ever. Jack told me that in a TR4, you could go through corner 1 flat out in 4th. I worked my way up to it, and of course he was right. Passed several guys going into 1 thanks to that tip. He never told me that I could do that in corner 2 as well. He saved that one for Tony. :-) Jack built an engine for my car, and when it was ready, I came out for the weekend so we could put it in the car and I could take the car home. We got everything installed, and the engine wouldn't turn at all. After much discussion, it was determined that the new flywheel bolts were too long. I went home that Sunday evening without my car. The next morning, around 11:00 AM, Jack called me. He said "listen to this" and my new engine roared to life. By 11:00, he had pulled the tranny, removed the flywheel, shortened the bolts, re-installed the tranny, and had it running. You guys that only met him on the phone or via email and thought he was special, you were right. The luckiest of all were the ones that got to be with him. Irv Korey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/2018aa25/attachment-0001.htm From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:38:21 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <007201c90261$c04f5e40$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <773410.14433.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Bud: Anyone who ever meet Uncle Jack could not help but be impressed with the man.? I feel fortunate to have known Uncle Jack and while my heart is heavy with the loss of my friend, my soul realizes that the light that is Uncle Jack has joined the Heavens to light my path and provide me guidance. To pick just one memory of Uncle Jack is impossible.? In general, just the way Uncle Jack would take the time to talk with people, the patience he would show with people, particularly when explaining technical things to someone who was well below his level of knowledge.? Still there was that time at IRP with Irv, Uncle Jack, myself and a Chevy pickup in the rain. Ernie Husmann --- On Tue, 8/19/08, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Man!...he must have been one heck of a Guy...The email stuff is Incredible... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/8caa2cde/attachment.htm From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 19 19:43:28 2008 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am happy to have been the benefactor of an unconditional night in Geneseo. Racing a Triumph was not a requirement to be welcomed by Jack and Frances. I will always remember the tour of Jack's garage in the morning and realizing how technologically behind I was. My desert dwelling kids got their first run through a real corn field across the street from the Drew's home. Jack, and Joe's, willingness to let an unknown guy invade the privacy of their homes, made my dream of returning and running at Road America a reality in 2005. Jack's enthusiasm and generosity have been an inspiration to me. I hope to some day be half the man and driver he was..........................Henry Morrison From: N197TR4 at cs.comDate: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:57 -0400To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.netSubject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack...#3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". (I am sure it was a point of discussion in the tower, too) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/7add3337/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 19:55:59 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:55:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Henry, The garage must have been Jack's on the return trip. You caught me on the outbound side. .........as the CORNFIELD was mine in Jesup. My wife was amused when she got up early in the morning, for work, and there were bodies in bags all over the house. Jan said, "HENRY WHO"? I told her I didnt know...you just showed up at 1:00AM when I working in the garage and your family of eight looked needy. We really enjoyed having you. Things like this are quite special....then your kids had a great time with my grandchildren in the paddock. S'mores and everything. btw, we may be coming your way later this year....got someplace to plug the motorhome in? Joe & Jan Alexander > I am happy to have been the benefactor of an unconditional night in > Geneseo. Racing a Triumph was not a requirement to be welcomed by Jack and Frances. > I will always remember the tour of Jack's garage in the morning and > realizing how technologically behind I was. My desert dwelling kids got their first > run through a real corn field across the street from the Drew's home. Jack, > and Joe's, willingness to let an unknown guy invade the privacy of their > homes, made my dream of returning and running at Road America a reality in 2005. > Jack's enthusiasm and generosity have been an inspiration to me. I hope to > some day be half the man and driver he was..........................Henry > Morrison > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/fe6f97be/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 20:12:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:12:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Message-ID: Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the porch with a fine cigar. This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the house...... So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt Scotch. Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for this..... JA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/f638030b/attachment.htm From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 20:27:59 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/5eb626db/attachment.htm From 356drb at indy.net Tue Aug 19 20:33:12 2008 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:33:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> References: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On that topic, I'll opine -- Lagavulin Brett On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We enjoyed a glass (or two) of single malt scotch and a couple of > La Gloria Cubana cigars on Friday night. We had a nice evening, > discussing the upcoming weekend and Watkins Glen. I'm sure that my > mom wasn't fond of me re-introducing him to those vices, but I got > a vicarious thrill out of it. > > I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins > Glen. > > - Tony > > At 09:12 PM 8/19/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting >> on the porch with a fine cigar. >> >> This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the >> house...... >> >> So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single >> Malt Scotch. >> >> Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on >> Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a >> project manager for this..... >> >> JA > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/78aa3848/attachment.htm From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 19 20:56:02 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:56:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: Message-ID: <006201c90270$492712e0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> We're just getting started so were only at a couple of races with Jack. Last year at the MOTRAH race at Elkhart Lake we were fortunate to be paddocked next to Jack and Tony. I think it was Friday afternoon and I asked Tony where Jack was. I had another of my inumerable questions. Tony said, "Oh, he broke his diff and went back home to get his spare axle." Sure enough, we get to the track next morning and there's Jack just finishing up installing the new axle. Ryan and I were in awe. Talk about doin' whatever it takes to get the job done! My brother was crewing for Ryan at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival last year when I was laid up with some medical problems. I asked him this week if he had met Jack Drews there. "Sure", he said. "When Ryan wanted to take me around the track during the touring session, it was Jack who rounded up a helmet for me so I could go." How typical of Uncle Jack. My brother still talks about his rides around Elkhart Lake. When we were building the car I asked Jack, via e-mail as usual, which type of gauges were better, mechanical or electrical. He said it was pretty much a matter of preference, some favored mechanical as more reliable but he thought the electrical ones were just as reliable. I asked what he used and he said mechanical because the electrical ones were an awful lot of wires. Well, being an electrical engineer I thought, what the heck, I can do that. Well, I did it, but, like Jack said, there are an awful lot of wires!!! Seems like it took me weeks to make up the wires and get everything wired in. When I got done, I really understood what he meant. It if wasn't for all of Jack's help, we wouldn't have near the car we have now nor would it run near as good. Not only that, but we'd probably still be fixing and sorting out all the things that we wouldn't have done right the first time if not for his advice. He was our "chief mechanic" in absentia!! Plus, we've got all the good stuff, thanks to Uncle Jack, like the Southwick axle and front hubs, the front axles that don't flex and that gorgeous lightweight steel flywheel that was almost too pretty to put in the car, etc. Tim Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... #3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". (I am sure it was a point of discussion in the tower, too) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/41b03877/attachment-0001.htm From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Aug 19 21:30:39 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C32@server.Triumph.local> I've already mentioned a couple of my treasured memories, but this needs to be said. Nobody in the Triumph racing community has done more for the safety of his fellow racers than Jack Drews. While there are many people out there that have developed safety enhancements for their own car, I know of no one who has championed the cause of making good racing upgrades available to the masses at near cost like Jack did. I will not list what he has accomplished here for the fear of leaving something out. Our sport suffered a tremendous loss, but nowhere near the loss the Drews family and the world has suffered. I'm really going to miss you, Jack... From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 19 21:32:23 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:32:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing it after roughly 20 years. Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of you for, well, being each and every one of you. I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to settle for a T shirt and a sticker. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 21:44:34 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:44:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> References: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20080820034433.0E872187666@autox.team.net> Mark, without your electronic wizardry, there would be no "friends of triumph". I enjoyed our time together at Hallett. We will toast you and the electrons you push at the Glen. Toast us back, please. - Tony At 10:32 PM 8/19/2008, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a >cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley >now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. >Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. >Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing >it after roughly 20 years. > >Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark >cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in >memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide >such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires >makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of >you for, well, being each and every one of you. > >I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a >glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to >settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > >mjb. > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 22:53:10 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:53:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> References: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'd spend some time with your list but I'm much more fond of drinking scotch than talking about it. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a > cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the > barley > now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. > Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the > years. > Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing > it after roughly 20 years. > > Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark > cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in > memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide > such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires > makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of > you for, well, being each and every one of you. > > I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a > glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to > settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/a7393ec6/attachment.htm From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:24:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:24:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808192224w4e2c76e9tb2a6e1318214b46b@mail.gmail.com> Cannot think of a finer manager than Babcock of such vices. I'll bring a good bottle. 2008/8/19 > Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the > porch with a fine cigar. > > This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the > house...... > > So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt > Scotch. > > Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday > Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for > this..... > > JA > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/b9e70c65/attachment.htm From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:37:53 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:37:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices.. Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808192237p55661224obcd4705fd664d4e2@mail.gmail.com> aH MARK, i BET YOU GET A FEW ORE HITS ON THAT LIST NOW! CHUCK On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a > cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley > now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. > Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. > Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing > it after roughly 20 years. > > Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark > cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in > memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide > such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires > makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of > you for, well, being each and every one of you. > > I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a > glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to > settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/9d2c2286/attachment.htm From keithfiles at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 23:45:20 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:45:20 +0100 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48A23A1E015996A3@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Hi Tony, Here is my favourite story; not really racing related but is worthy of recording. In 2007 Jon Wood and I were staying with Jack and Francis for a short period fitting a new engine and suspension to my TR4 when Jack casually mentions that he has something that he would like to show us; he said nothing more than that. Later that day he followed up his earlier comment by asking us to jump into his car as there was a trip arranged!!! Both Jon and I got in the car and he drove us a few short miles to a line of storage units in deepest Geneseo; when we arrived he simply said 'There you are; just look at that'. Now looking at a row of lock-ups is nice but not that nice.... To my surprise one of the lock-ups opened up and out came 2 of the oddest people you could meet; one gruff and short on words and the other short and very long on words. We were taken into this rabbit warren of inter-connected lock-ups where we were met with a vision that you could never have expected in a million years; row after row of vintage Packards in various stages of restoration. There was also a hidden museum that contained the best of the best restorations and the collection included a Cadillac V16 from the 1930's' what an impressive beast that was. After much banter and coffee, the owner says to the gruff one 'go get the maroon car'. The maroon car was a Packard V12. All three of us were taken for a chauffeur driven ride in the V12 around Geneseo with all 3 of us grinning like Cheshire Cats; this was the icing on the cake and Jack was in his element. Jack knew so many people, had so many friends and connections that you never knew what was going to happen next; this was a major treat for us and a memory of Jack that will stay with me forever. Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: 20 August 2008 00:03 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Aug 20 06:32:22 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:32:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> References: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74D5C3F0@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> My favorite memory of Jack is a simple one - just his smile at the end of the day on Saturdays in the paddock, sitting around that little plastic picnic table with a good glass of scotch and his family around and a nice race car to look at. If there's a definition of happiness in a mental snapshot, that's mine. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 20 07:39:27 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <639574.27878.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been lucky these last few years to have spent some time working with Jack in his garage. My cold winter drives to Geneseo would always be rewarded with the best shop talk and Triumph stories. For some reason Jack agreed to let me work with him in building my first tractor motor - I think that he could tell that I really wanted to know how it was done. Eventually he even taught me how to port a head. Garage time with Jack is truly my favorite memory. I'll really miss knowing that he is out there. Dennis Tony Drews wrote: One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/02e583bc/attachment.htm From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 20 07:47:42 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:47:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing Message-ID: Good Morning I am wondering if any of the rest of you had Jack call from his garage with a cigar in hand, drinking a malt, and tell you to listen to the engine run over the telephone. Some years ago, Vince Lombardi made a statement about priorities in life, saying something like "God, Family, & Football". It seems that Uncle Jack has left us with a potential FOT toast; "God, Family & Racing". Obviously this can only be said while drinking a single malt and smoking a cigar with the sounds of a race engine running in the background. Cary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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He also told me he was on > his way to join Tony to enjoy some fine cigars. I told him that would be > great, but I had a date. Shirley was along this trip. > <<< I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins Glen. >>> As will I, as will I. Bill Dentinger > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It began when Tom Fansher brought me a bottle of fine single malt in appreciation for Jack & I transporting an OD Transmission from Kentucky to the Walter Mitty. This was the beginning of another great friendship for Jack & me, in Tom & Janet Fansher. The Single Malt Society convenes whenever there is a bottle available among friends and followers of single malt. This, with the addition of some fine cigars will likely materialize Saturday Night in the Triumph Paddock at Watkins Glen. Perhaps Tom & Janet will be there in spirit, at least. JA Again there are no SMS rules, dues, meetings or Board of Directors. No need. > <<< I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins > Glen. >>> > > As will I, as will I. > Bill Dentinger > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Label would be nice and will get first consideration. Donation would be entirely optional. Production quantity will be limited to 300 pieces and will be a one time run. Thanks, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/d0283a32/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 20 09:45:13 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:45:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C48C08AA838424F98152C6491B784D7@newcomputer> I have only one thing to add to Joe's message. If you send in a SASE make sure it is large enough to fit a 3-3/4" decal into. This is slightly larger than the others I have done so that needs to be said. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals FOT: Thanks to all who provided the impetus for this to happen. (Bobby Whitehead, et. al) Joe Curry is proceeding with production of the Decals in order to make them available at the Glen. The production costs are being supplied by a prominent western FoT and backed up by another prominent west coast FOT. The excess of their largesse will be applied to: The Jack Drews Memorial Fund The decals have no price attached. We will provide them at the Glen and if you wish to make a contribution to the Memorial Fund, so be it. Optional. Might take the form of a Cigar Box, Piggy Bank, or empty container for Single Malt Scotch. Same with mail requests. Send request in mail with return address. Label would be nice and will get first consideration. Donation would be entirely optional. Production quantity will be limited to 300 pieces and will be a one time run. Thanks, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/deeb9fe8/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 20 10:00:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:00:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals Message-ID: In a message dated 8/20/2008 10:45:57 AM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > I have only one thing to add to Joe?s message. If you send in a SASE make > sure it is large enough to fit a 3-3/4? decal into. This is slightly larger > than the others I have done so that needs to be said. > > Thanks, > Joe C. > Yup, I will appreciate anything that makes this easier for me to respond. Thanks Joe C Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/d7743324/attachment.htm From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 20 10:18:43 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with that...although I think Jack would leave the choice of our favorite adult beverage to each of us. Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing Good Morning I am wondering if any of the rest of you had Jack call from his garage with a cigar in hand, drinking a malt, and tell you to listen to the engine run over the telephone. Some years ago, Vince Lombardi made a statement about priorities in life, saying something like "God, Family, & Football". It seems that Uncle Jack has left us with a potential FOT toast; "God, Family & Racing". Obviously this can only be said while drinking a single malt and smoking a cigar with the sounds of a race engine running in the background. Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/d3abe308/attachment.htm From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 20 10:31:55 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:31:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack's Legacy Message-ID: <001c01c902e2$426fd6e0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Now that the shock is beginning to wear off I've had time to consider Uncle Jack's legacy. At the top of the list for me would have to be Tony Drews. When I'd send an e-mail with one of my many questions it was always to the "Drews", Jack and Tony. Many times I'd hear from Tony first,and if it was an engine question, he'd defer to Jack, or as he'd usually say, "I'll think I'll let Uncle Jack chime in on this one." But on a lot of the other questions Tony would get back to me promptly with an answer. I think he was taking some of the "load" off of Jack, especially as I see all of the other posts from people that Jack was helping. Tony has also been very active on the list as we all know and, as Jack was, in answering questions and giving input to the threads. While we were building the car we'd seek out Jack and Tony at Elkhart Lake and Tony would spend whatever time it took to go over things with us. I recall when he spent about 1/2 hour reviewing his fuel system, pump, filter, regulator, pressure gauge, plumbing, fittings, mounting, the whole works. Again, after the car was built and after ELVF last Fall when we had a problem with the transmission and I finally got around to fixing it last winter and realized I'd have to get the OD off (and back on!) I e-mailed the "Drews" again and it was Tony who gave me advice. But the part that shows that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree", is in one post when I was having my doubts about doing it and Tony says, "Well, I guess I'll just take a weekend holiday in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin if you really get into trouble." That turned out not to be necessary, but he was willing to take a weekend and drive up here to help another Triumph team. I said in my "memories" post that the car wouldn't be what it is and as problem free as it has been without the help from Uncle Jack. I should have said without the help and encouragement from the "Drews", Jack and Tony. I think Jack's helpfulness, kindness and graciousness is living on in Tony. Any father would be happy and proud to leave this world knowing he was leaving a son like Tony behind. To me that's Uncle Jack's greatest legacy. Tim Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/daa2b8c3/attachment-0001.htm From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Aug 20 12:23:31 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:23:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... References: Message-ID: <008501c902f1$da84cd00$b2680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Damn, another fine pair of vices i did not get to share with Jack. I believe in something called the "communion of saints" and part of my belief in it is that those of us who have gone to their Creator ahead of us still share their old earthly joys with their living friends. So, when we light up and sip, I am sure he will be in our midst. my fondest Jack Story is one that is partially lost to a failed memory. A few years ago, there were races near Omaha. Very early Sunday morning we were all treated to the sight of Jack rolling in oil and grease unter his TR4. There was a steady stream of insult and byplay that Jack was always on top of. Wish i could remember the details but we were laughing so hard we almost cried. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the porch with a fine cigar. This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the house...... So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt Scotch. Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for this..... 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Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 20 13:56:17 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Favorite momory of Jack Message-ID: <001401c902fe$cf3474c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: rpm724 at att.net To: tony at tonydrews.com Cc: Tim Murphy Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Favorite momory of Jack I met "Uncle" Jack at Road America in the late 90's when I was there as a spectator and asked him where to get a header for my street TR4. He was very nice, and my dad and I talked with him and complimented his beautiful TR4 (old blue). Years later my dad and I were building our own TR4 race car, and Jack helped every step of the way. He invited us into his home, showed us his car, and we had a nice lunch together. I was impressed with his ingenuity and car. I couldn't believe he built his own flow bench. I was impressed that "Uncle" Jack had a tremendous wealth of skill and knowlege, but wasn't full of himself. He was very down to earth and willing to answer our questions. In the years to come my dad and I were fortunate enough to paddock next to Jack and Tony. I am probably the youngest person racing a TR-4 in vintage racing, so I really did see Jack as "Uncle" Jack. I couldn't believe he remained so calm when something on his car would break, or the lengths he would go to to finish the week-end, like putting his rear end assembly in the back of his van and driving 4 hours home and back again to rebuild it. I always looked forward to seeing "Uncle" Jack at the races. Being new to racing, I looked up to him as an example of how to act and race in Vintage Racing. "Uncle" Jack was a class act all the way. Sincerely, Ryan Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080820/f32ab8fd/attachment.htm From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Aug 20 13:58:17 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:58:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT t.shirt Message-ID: <48AC7759.1070205@bright.net> Great job FOTer's. The Jack Drews "memorial" t.shirt is in process. We ran some extra shirts in the most popular sizes - L & XL. These will be available at Watkins Glen. There is a group called Motor Sports Ministries. They service Pro road races and some amateur events.. A good group doing good work. We will be donating some of the shirt proceed to Motor Sports Ministries in Jack's name. Thought that would meet with everyone's, including Jack's, approval. Thanks for the response and thanks to Scott Janzen for coordinating the project. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From andre at gt6.ca Thu Aug 21 05:49:55 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Traded the GT6 in for a Spit Message-ID: <4362ae390808210449n1486d668g4b1339bf030f3be@mail.gmail.com> Took a little wheeling and dealing, but... http://www.gt6.ca/08/0820/slides/IMG_0506.html http://www.gt6.ca/08/0820/slides/IMG_0507.html A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080821/f68cc47b/attachment.htm From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Aug 21 07:36:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <48AD6F40.8070207@pobox.com> Henry, Thanks for sharing your story. When I read it I thought I should tell mine too. But then I realized that mine differs in detail but not in substance. There are probably 100 others like it. The man helped a lot of us. I wonder how he found time to work on his own stuff. I really enjoyed our many technical discussions. He was an integral part of my camshaft project. I will miss him greatly. Larry Young Henry Frye wrote: > I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you > think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. > On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though > my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but > was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by > less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the > two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have > smiled... > > For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this > fraternity of misfits. > > I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at > the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race > car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were > running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't > know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife > Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is > far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real > feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us > their cars, they introduced us to the scene. > > In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue > what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. > (Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had > tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, > took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. > That made me feel good. > > As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful > ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set > out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to > build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a > breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America > in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New > Blue. > > Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs > something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare > gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had > it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me > the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I > was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to > drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. > > And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for > wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New > Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an > engine that ran right, all the time. > > The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets > showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was > sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told > Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of > course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, > actually. > > When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event > was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time > in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to > reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on > it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my > car! > > Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond > picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in > with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop > we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to > Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews > hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me > back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and > I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this > hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of > the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a > good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me > on my way. > > As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual > occurrence at the Drews house. > > Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop > and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. > Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, > and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were > wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He > always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I > did. > > I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up > the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". > > Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to > all Triumph racers who knew him. > > He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever > could. > > I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to > make that place better than it already was... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Aug 21 08:45:36 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our thoughts are with his family and friends. What a loss for everyone. I was going to part out the TR6 I got last week. Maybe it will go to the track instead... 2008/8/19 > In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:45:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > > > I have been away from my computer at an event in WA...I read of Jack's > demise in the newspaper this morning. > > It is so sad, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. > > Heaven has another bright star today. > > My sincere condolences > > Leon F Guyot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug -- dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 21 16:02:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Decals Message-ID: <1790DCE007D14BC1A458F26E01FEF573@newcomputer> Folks, One of our members seems to have gotten a different impression about what the decals are going to be that intended. I thought I was perfectly clear in letting people know what they are going to look like. So to be very clear on this, here is what they will be: First they are going to be printed on White Vinyl. They will be 3 ?? in diameter. (a circle) There will be Jack?s number in the center (in black) Around the outside perimeter will be a heavy black band so that the decals can be seen on any color of paint. Inside the top of the heavy black band will be the words ?In Memory of ? (above the number) in black Inside the bottom of the heavy band will be the words ?Uncle Jack? (below the number) in black. 300 of these are being produced. If anyone got a different idea as Cary did about what I was printing, please let me know. Regards, Joe C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080821/360f2482/attachment.htm From mini at wi.rr.com Thu Aug 21 20:45:29 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: All of us at Stonefield Vintage Racing would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the entire Drews family during this time. Jack obviously made a lot of friends and is going to be missed. I would always use Jack as a bench mark as to how my son Daniel was running in his mini. Faster then Jack - doing very good, running with Jack - doing OK, slower then Jack - something's wrong. Richard Gehweiler Stonefield Vintage Racing mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080821/557aa4a2/attachment.htm From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 21 22:16:52 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front Message-ID: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take much wiping down. So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on the inner end of the front upright? ~Steve From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 22 07:46:19 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> As I recall, the spindle is tapered where goes into the upright. On a taper with a locknut, I usually tighten it into the taper good with a plain nut then remove the plain nut and put the Nylok nut on. The taper should hold it once it's snugged up good. Could be your left caliper hanging up the pistons a bit and they are dragging on the disc a bit all the time. Did you rebuild the calipers recently with new seals or pistons? If not, might be worth checking. I haven't noticed any difference in brake dust left to right but we haven't run that many events either. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Aug 22 07:52:52 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:52:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front In-Reply-To: <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <01a901c9045e$5f6b8a50$1342a8c0@semperon3400> More important than more brake dust on the one side wheel is if the pads are wearing more on the one side than the other. If the pads are not wearing evenly there is something going on. Bleed the brakes as a first step. Or... Could be aerodynamics! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:46 AM To: Steven Belfer; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] More brake dust on left front As I recall, the spindle is tapered where goes into the upright. On a taper with a locknut, I usually tighten it into the taper good with a plain nut then remove the plain nut and put the Nylok nut on. The taper should hold it once it's snugged up good. Could be your left caliper hanging up the pistons a bit and they are dragging on the disc a bit all the time. Did you rebuild the calipers recently with new seals or pistons? If not, might be worth checking. I haven't noticed any difference in brake dust left to right but we haven't run that many events either. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:26:47 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:26:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP Message-ID: Amici... Just got back from two days in Geneseo, Illinois for Uncle Jack's wake and funeral. Garrison Kiellor (sp?) talks about an idyllic little country town called Lake Woebegone, where life is good, there are few troubles and all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and the children are all above average. It is supposed to be in Minnesota, but I am convinced it is Geneseo in western Illinois. Sure seems that way to me. And all the women are strong, but Frances Drews is the strongest. Of course it was sad, but it was also beautiful. The turnout from the racing community in general and the FOT in particular was outstanding, causing the pastor to comment at the service, "I'm not used to this kind of turn out for a middle of the week funeral." Lest I miss someone, I'll not try to list everyone, but suffice to say at the wake there was a greeting line that wound through the building and out to the street from 4 PM until 6:30 PM. FOTers and other racing friends met after the wake at a local restaurant called, The Cellar for dinner and liquid refreshments. I suspect we helped set a Wednesday Night Record for The Cellar, and I'll bet Jack was there too. I'll let other embellish the rest of the tale.... Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/a0499e81/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:43:43 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:43:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] One last piece of info... Message-ID: Amici.... One last thing....not sure if this has been mentioned before, but while in Geneseo, Illinois these past two days, I learned something very interesting. Jack Drews' mother's maiden name was Quick. No kidding! How appropriate is that? Why am I not surprised? Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/c912f5a7/attachment-0001.htm From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 22 11:07:43 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601c90479$979b96c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I checked my notes from the race at Grattan and Gingerman last year to see what we had for front disc temperatures when we came off the track. I happened to be in the right place at the right time and acquired an infrared temperature sensor "gun". At Grattan the RF was about 50 degrees higher than the LF (400 vs 350) and at Gingerman they were about even (LF 385 RF 380). Keep in mind that we are just getting started and this is with "rookie" drivers and a car with a 5500 to 6000 RPM redline and "stock" bottom end. FWIW The infrared sensor is a handy diagnostic tool to see if things are going bad, especially if you have some baseline or "normal" readings. We've been taking about 10 readings when the car comes off the track. May drop some of the readings and add others, like front of the block versus rear to see if we're overheating on #4. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Aug 22 12:02:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP Message-ID: <001001c90481$46ce2f7c$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 22 13:28:05 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> References: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48AF1345.1010005@pobox.com> I hesitate to tell this story, because it resulted from a screwup by Jack. But what the heck, we all know he was a great mechanic, but everyone makes mistakes. I know I make my share. My son Tom remarked, "See dad, even a guru can make a mistake." This was the only time I ever got to wrench directly with Jack. This occurred during our weekend at Hallett in 2006. Jack broke a valve on the very first day. We had the rocker cover off and he tapped one rocker with a hammer and the valve stem flew up in the air. Next step was to pull the head. We noticed that he had accidentally reversed the front two cylinder liners, so the chamfer on the edge of the liner was in the wrong place. The intake valves were smacking the top of the liner. He mulled over the situation and I offered to loan him a spare head that I had at home (in Tulsa). We took the car back to my garage rather than work at the track. We ground a chamfer on the liners where is was supposed to be, mocked everything up and checked to make sure the valves had plenty of clearance. Put my head on and he was good to go. It was fun to work with him. There was also several FoT over that evening which was great fun. Unfortunately, our fix to Jack's engine didn't last. I think the valve pounding on the liner had transmitted a lot of force to the camshaft and the gear for the distributor and oil pump. The camshaft failed the next day. We got a chance to work again in my garage on Saturday night to replace a split cylinder liner in my engine. Jack was smart and turned in early (after all the guy was 70 and had heart problems). Bob Kramer and Tony Drews hung with me until we got it done just in time to watch the clock change from 2am to 3am daylight savings time. We were successful with the fix, but still had a persistent miss the next day. What the heck, at least we had a chance to compete on Sunday. I will always remember pulling that all nighter working in the garage with friends. The mental image of Jack and Tony that I will never forget is seeing a red and blue TR4 head to tail as they went screaming around Blackhawk farms in 2006. Larry Young Tony Drews wrote: > One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks > write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of > you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his > celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and > responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). > > If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll > make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you > feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. > > From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 22 15:52:01 2008 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <453608.16876.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ???? Just wanted?to add my condolences to the?Drew family it was a numbing feeling when I heard of his death. Jack was just a great bloke always willing to help. All will sadly miss him. Regards Jim Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/f9fa1bfb/attachment.htm From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 22 17:20:43 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP In-Reply-To: <001001c90481$46ce2f7c$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/157bd671/attachment.htm From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 17:51:22 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP In-Reply-To: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444111.80531.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> There are lots of small town people who feel they have missed out on something because they don't live in a big city. I see people stopping for funerals, giving way to safety vehicles, and I do so myself.? Still the older I get the more I miss my small town roots. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Dennis DeLap wrote: From: Dennis DeLap Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP To: "Henry Frye" , BillDentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:20 PM I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. ? D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/77e4193b/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 18:38:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP References: <444111.80531.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c904b8$9584ed20$0302a8c0@Bud> I hope I never have to see another big city and it's traffic/congestion/hyperactivity/ as long as I live..I'm done!....Maybe it's just the big metro cities that are crazy.. When I fly into Pensacola to visit my daughter, as soon as I get off the plane in their small airport...I'm relaxed....seems like the whole tempo is different than California Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Husmann To: Henry Frye ; BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; Dennis DeLap Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP There are lots of small town people who feel they have missed out on something because they don't live in a big city. I see people stopping for funerals, giving way to safety vehicles, and I do so myself. Still the older I get the more I miss my small town roots. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Dennis DeLap wrote: From: Dennis DeLap Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP To: "Henry Frye" , BillDentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:20 PM I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________http://www.team.net/donate.htmlFot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/262cd380/attachment.htm From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 19:50:35 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP References: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c904c2$a2f56ed0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> Same thing in Dahlonega, GA when my Dad died. A very nice thing. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis DeLap To: Henry Frye ; BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/400e5ba0/attachment-0001.htm From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Aug 22 20:55:34 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 22:55:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with friends. Cheers, Gary Fuqua Hallett bound in Oct. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080822/1066535c/attachment.htm From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 23 06:30:47 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:30:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen Message-ID: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/c51ba236/attachment.htm From andre at gt6.ca Sat Aug 23 06:41:33 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:41:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> References: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> Message-ID: <4362ae390808230541m4d1cc8e0ud867a36f9d576bd9@mail.gmail.com> Oh that settles it. I so need to get into Vintage racing and run a GT6. A. 2008/8/23 Russ Moore > > > > > 6 TR-3 > > 12 TR-4 > > 1 TR-250K > > 6 TR-6 > > 5 Spitfires > > 0 GT-6 > > 3 TR-7/TR-8 > > 3 Triumph based specials > > > > 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/12a623f9/attachment.htm From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 23 06:52:23 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> Message-ID: I only counted 2 TR7/8s from Joe's list. Which car is the third? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: August 23, 2008 8:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/fb83ebec/attachment.htm From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 23 07:06:21 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:06:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: References: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> Message-ID: <002e01c90521$0a27cd10$1e776730$@net> Bill Warner I believe. It's the former John Kelly Grp 44 car. I worked on this car at Summit Point years ago and it is pretty impressive to say the least. He is also registered with the former Tullius then Newman TR-6. That car, before it was restored lived about 5 miles from me. At that point it was still in its silver and black livery. At a point after that, Bill acquired it and had a spectacular restoration job done. The complete current actual registered entry list is available at www.svra.com . Just click on the event and there is an entry list by name. It was last updated 8/20 so maybe there are more by now. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:52 AM To: Russ Moore; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen I only counted 2 TR7/8s from Joe's list. Which car is the third? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: August 23, 2008 8:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/39a78d84/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 23 07:32:59 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:32:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/22/2008 9:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time, GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: > Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year > and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the > outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with > friends. > I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/f216c641/attachment-0001.htm From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 23 07:54:48 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808230541m4d1cc8e0ud867a36f9d576bd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> <4362ae390808230541m4d1cc8e0ud867a36f9d576bd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: WOW, thats a turnout. I wish I had the Spitfire done and my license. I'll be there to cheer you on from the sidelines anyhow. This should make up for not being able to make the Mid-Ohio biggie a while back. See you there. Marty 2008/8/23 Russ Moore 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/646ce5c5/attachment.htm From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Aug 23 08:15:07 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:15:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C3F@server.Triumph.local> As I remember it, (always a shaky thing to count on) both Jack's car and the Thunderbolt suffered from improperly installed liners at that race. I remember walking up to a large crowd of gawkers around the Thunderbolt as Jack had the biggest pair of ChannelLock pliers I have ever seen in his hands. He had those pliers clamped around a liner that was pulled out of the block a few inches and was turning it to the proper orientation. While there were many of us shaking our heads in disbelief, that is the sight I remember. While I saw those ChannelLocks and immediately went out a bought a pair, I promise I have never used them to turn a liner in a built engine. Then, when his car suffered the broken valve for the same problem, he chose to grind the relief in the correct place, leaving his liner seated in the block. An all-nighter was held at Larry's place, I remember some great hospitality from Larry's wife as a crowd of Triumph guys descended upon her house. But weekends like these are not the way I choose to remember uncle jack. I'll remember all those great weekends where we ran hard and I put my car away wet. Jack would never put his car away wet... Henry Frye Triumph Technology Consultants 860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... > > I think Jack was > working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly > was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in > wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an > effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an > ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight > gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and > left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of > kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than > he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to > first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to > get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't > remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I > returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got > the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate > milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a > BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea.) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 23 08:29:19 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: Message-ID: <003301c9052c$a40cec20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Bill, Larry may have remembered the liner issue as the cause of Jack's car being down incorrectly but the rest of the story was most likely accurate. As I remember it Jack had some issue and they put the head on Jack's car. The next day his camshaft failed putting Jack out for the weekend, making the head available for the liner spinning exercise. These details aren't a big deal, and do not affect what is another great Jack story, but in this case Jack's car went down because of a part failure that he quickly went on to analyzing. I don't know if a universal answer to the cause of the camshaft failure was ever arrived at but Jack had a cam that was ground on one a new remanufactured blank. He surmised that there was a issue with the camshaft distributor drive gear hobbing on these aftermarket cores, affecting its mating with the distributor drive gear. The evidence was in the wear on the drive gear. Jack at work. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; cartravel at pobox.com ; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: saabhuman at netscape.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In a message dated 08/22/2008 9:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time, GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with friends. I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/bf6f1cc9/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 23 08:54:25 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:54:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/23/2008 9:28:34 AM Central Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > Larry may have remembered the liner issue as the cause of Jack's car being > down incorrectly but the rest of the story was most likely accurate. As I > remember it Jack had some issue and they put the head on Jack's car. The next > day his camshaft failed putting Jack out for the weekend, making the head > available for the liner spinning exercise. > Bob... Well, Henry's comments jogged my memory, and Larry was, in fact, correct. But Jack Drews turning the liners on the Thunder Bolt (same Hallett event) is also true. I've got pictures. What I had wrong in the story was that I used Larry's head at that event. In fact, Jack Drews lent the head to me at another event (probably BLACKHAWK) and I used it, before it was returned to Larry. Just another part of the legend of how TRIUMPH folk help each other out. I apologize for getting the story wrong. I am closer to 70 than 69, and I don't remember stuff too good these days. I can't remember if I had breakfast...until I look in the mirror. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/85c6d4ef/attachment.htm From tedtsimx at bright.net Sat Aug 23 09:22:11 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:22:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT shirts Message-ID: <48B02B23.9050706@bright.net> Sorry to bomb the list. Our ISP's spam filter intercepted some emails this week regarding FOT shirts and the Glen. Unfortunately the messages got deleted. So, if you emailed me in the last few days, please resend. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From cartravel at pobox.com Sat Aug 23 09:43:51 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:43:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B03037.70209@pobox.com> Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett > story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our > Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The > two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and > Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an > ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got > compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a > grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far > more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of > Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and > then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't > remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to > Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the > oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change > the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that > was a bad idea. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/30ef7553/attachment-0001.htm From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Aug 23 09:58:02 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:58:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: I was aware of that work going on but not too involved as I was changing an engine myself. But I well remember the disappointment of not having those two cars on track with us. Steve In a message dated 8/23/2008 8:45:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry _BillDentin at aol.com_ (mailto:BillDentin at aol.com) wrote: I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (_http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/7a37c725/attachment.htm From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 23 10:16:19 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C17EF43F59748A4B6C08CEF165D9F35@KasPC> I've put the great photo that Bill Dentinger had of Crafty Jack caught in the act, hard at work with trustworthy tools in my last book (Myths) on page 38 with the story of Jack and Tony racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: cartravel at pobox.com ; BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; saabhuman at netscape.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... I was aware of that work going on but not too involved as I was changing an engine myself. But I well remember the disappointment of not having those two cars on track with us. Steve In a message dated 8/23/2008 8:45:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry BillDentin at aol.com wrote: I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:42 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen Oh that settles it. I so need to get into Vintage racing and run a GT6. A. 2008/8/23 Russ Moore 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It bears repeating the intial production costs and a substantial contribution to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund is in place, from two of our finest West Coasters. I am going to set up an excel spreadsheet for Wife Jan and she is going to track the information on the spreadsheet for final accounting. Donations will be held in confidence, but will get earlier delivery consideration. Thanks, Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/d62bf267/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Sat Aug 23 20:38:27 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. In-Reply-To: <000d01c90592$5da2e350$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> References: <5DF70B9D02BE419D8E6DCF4FC228C483@newcomputer> <000d01c90592$5da2e350$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> Message-ID: Thanks. Joe sent both his numbers to me and we have since communicated _____ From: David Talbott [mailto:dtalbott at archrepro.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:38 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. His cell is (319) 464-4711 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. The subject line says it all. I need to call Joe to coordinate the Uncle Jack decal shipment and don't have the number. Joe C. _____ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080823/3d51b909/attachment.htm From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 24 00:35:02 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:35:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett memories Message-ID: <48B10116.9060306@bradakis.com> Hallett was a memorable weekend for me. The very fact I was there is a testament to the quality of the people on this list. And the Young family hospitality was more than I expected. I believe that weekend was the last time I saw Jack in person. I don't remember the details of the troubles with his car or the Thunderbolt, I do remember working on the problem caused by a broken internal return spring in one of the Weber carbs on Tony's car. And things like tornado force winds and the big top, a Suburban that gave its all to get there, Mordy cooking up burgers, a phone message from the portable toilet company regarding an issue with my order for the IVR race in Wendover the next weekend. There are some things I really miss about running those IVR events, and there are some I am glad to do without. Getting back behind the wheel of a racing Triumph would do me good, though. It would have been nice to have the Drews at last year's Kastner Cup race here in Utah. So it goes. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 24 07:53:53 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:53:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Test Day for #197 Next Stop: The Glen Message-ID: FoT: I guess I am pretty excited about this. Sean & I are going to test #197 in the Cedar Falls Industrial Park this morning at 11:00AM....until the police come. Head Work by Uncle Jack, including a run on his test stand the week before Grattan. Transmission is by Riverside Sports Cars in Swisher, Iowa with some global support. Cam is by Larry Young. It takes an FOT Village to build a Vintage Triumph. Excited about seeing everyone at the Glen. Jack will be proud of us all. Joe, Sean, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080824/8cff7c34/attachment.htm From dave at microworks.net Sun Aug 24 16:18:30 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and helmet cam Message-ID: <20080824222051.HGAO6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Here is a karting race report from last weekend and for those interested is a really nice in-car camera setup to use on their Triumph that is really low cost I recommend the Motorsport camera from GoProCamera.com. I bought a helmet mounted camera and we used it last weekend at the race in Albuquerque. We ended up having a horrible bog at times and in the video you can see Tyler raise his right arm in frustration when the bog hits him. http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=89 When we got there for the practice only Friday sessions we did not change anything on our setup from our last race down here in the Valley. First session was just to set a baseline, knowing that our carb jetting would be way rich and that our gearing would not be right either. After the first practice we leaned out the main jet from 175 to 165 and went back out. Engine ran better. After the second session we changed the gearing. Went from an 18/22 to an 18/24. The third session seemed good. Saturday morning we went out for first practice with the same setup we ended Friday on. Tyler came back in and I asked him what I needed to change or adjust. He said the kart was perfect. I did not have a transponder on the kart for that session but our MyChron Data logger showed a best lap time of 55.36. For the second practice session I just checked the air in the tires. Tyler came to a stop on track which made me worry that maybe the air had gone bad and we had burned a piston by going too lean on our jetting. After the session I ran out with the stand to bring the kart in and he said it just quit on him. Back in the paddock the problem was quickly apparent. No gas. For the qualifying session we thought we would not have any issues but as I was going over the kart one last time before putting it on the ground to get ready to head to grid I noted that the chain seemed "tight". I loosened up the motor mounts to bring the motor rearward to put some slack in the chain and as I was tightening down the mounts I could see the chain going tight again. Seems that one of the cross bolts that holds the motor to the mount had come loose and partially backed out. Got that pushed back through and fixed. Out he went for qualifying. Tyler came back in complaining that the motor was jumping and the drive was really bad and that the kart had been bogging really bad coming out of the corners. In my rush to get the chain issue fixed I had loosened up the bolts that held the rear sprocket together and they had worked loose and partially separated. Damn. Fixed the gear but Tyler's time in qualifying was not very good putting him toward the back of the grid for the race. When it was time to head to grid for the race we could see a storm blowing in and we were getting some rain drops. As the karts headed out onto track the front edge of the storm hit. Air temps dropped and there was a huge tailwind coming down the front straight just as the kart came through turns 3 & 4 of the oval onto the straight. The air density went up 2,000 feet from when the karts rolled out onto track and by the time they came around to take the green. Anybody with good jetting was know marginal and anybody that was marginal was dead in their tracks. We were way off on jetting with a huge rich bog. Tyler came in early it was so bad. That night in the hotel room Benn and I reviewed the video from the race and from listening to the audio we decided that I needed to move our "Magic Can" (gravity fuel feed) further back on the seat and higher up. Sunday morning I moved the Magic Can but the practice session was the same as the previous day. Rich bog coming off the corners. Showed the video to a few other guys and we decided that I should lean out the pilot jet. Did that (from a 52 to a 48) and went out for qualifying. It was better but still not right. We were still gridded toward the back and behind karts we normally are gridded well in front of. We discussed with Tyler that he was just going to have to drive around the problem. Like instead of being in 6th gear coming off the throttle into the oval he might want to be in 5th gear with the motor screaming so that the carb slide was open allowing in air so as to keep the carb from flooding. As you can see in the video of that race as long as he did not have to come off the throttle he was able to run down karts with ease but as soon as he got into traffic and had to start playing with the throttle the engine would go into a bog. Figure I will have to bite the bullet and invest in a pump around carb setup. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:34:40 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <782584.5966.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Like many others I was shocked and saddened when I heard about Jack Drews. ? I never had?the opportunity to meet Jack in person, but did contact him once by phone to order a set of his front axles.? When the axles arrived I was thoroughly impressed by the dimensional accuracy and finish of these stronger after market components, which I quickly installed on my TR-6 autocrosser.? ? Many of us are driving much safer?Triumphs because of the technical support and?stronger parts that Jack made available so I definitely want to express my gratitude for all of?Jack's excellent contributions. ? Jim Prettyleaf ?? Cupertino, CA.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080824/d8ce3c07/attachment.htm From spreiss at verizon.net Sun Aug 24 07:18:10 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:18:10 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews References: <782584.5966.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301c905eb$db848b80$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Wish Jack had been able to step back from the cockpit and redirect that energy solely towards the preparation and tuning aspects of the sport that he was so good at, and that in the long run is equally if not more essential to success than the driving. Don't know what it takes to be able to do that, especially when one is talented at both. There is much to be said for the division of labor, and I myself find it a very difficult principle to accept. Yet the success of the species (if one can call it that) is dependent on this principle. Hope this observation is not taken as criticism, but rather as constructive observation. Many if not most athletes it seems are not capable of stepping down gracefully from positions of glory, and the consequences are often painful if not tragic. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Prettyleaf To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Like many others I was shocked and saddened when I heard about Jack Drews. I never had the opportunity to meet Jack in person, but did contact him once by phone to order a set of his front axles. When the axles arrived I was thoroughly impressed by the dimensional accuracy and finish of these stronger after market components, which I quickly installed on my TR-6 autocrosser. Many of us are driving much safer Triumphs because of the technical support and stronger parts that Jack made available so I definitely want to express my gratitude for all of Jack's excellent contributions. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, CA. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/d9656677/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 11:49:40 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:49:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] #197 Test At Cedar Falls Industrial Park Raceway Message-ID: People are asking about our test on Sunday Morning. We were leaving test site when the Police Car arrived. Enclosed Trailer....... :-) Limited to 2nd gear but test surpassed expectations................................ Larry Young cam comes in at about 3k-3.5k and is extremely strong as far as we took it. Some loping under 3K, but expected. Head & Intake Manifold is Uncle Jack's with 11+:1 Compression & with Mike Belfer's old 87mm flatop Hepolites. Con Rods are Uncle Jack's version of the Chevy Rod Conversion. Crane Ignition and my favorite carbs ZS-175s. Then there is a bunch of ARE stuff hung on it...Carb Heat Shield, Front Alloy Engine Plate, Rocker Arm Spacers, Torque Reaction Arm, Flywheel Dust Shield, 10# Steel Flywheel....Kas' Velocity Stacks. Buy some of this stuff. I just wrote a big check to Riverside Sports Cars. :-) Transmission performed extremely well (Riverside Sports Cars) but not fully tested, yet. Third & Fourth under full race conditions. We are ecstatic. #197 has never been lower, wider, or faster, methinks. Now we will tune for all settings, ignition and carbureter, likely at Watkins Glen. We will be pleased to run midpack, if we can. Both Drivers are suffering from a lack of seat time and have no illusions about running at the front. But that's OK. Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/fcf06928/attachment.htm From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 25 13:30:25 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:30:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] #197 Test At Cedar Falls Industrial Park Raceway In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008601c906e9$0665c7d0$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Joe, Like Uncle Jack, you run at the front of the pack no matter where your car is. Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:50 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] #197 Test At Cedar Falls Industrial Park Raceway People are asking about our test on Sunday Morning. We were leaving test site when the Police Car arrived. Enclosed Trailer....... :-) Limited to 2nd gear but test surpassed expectations................................ Larry Young cam comes in at about 3k-3.5k and is extremely strong as far as we took it. Some loping under 3K, but expected. Head & Intake Manifold is Uncle Jack's with 11+:1 Compression & with Mike Belfer's old 87mm flatop Hepolites. Con Rods are Uncle Jack's version of the Chevy Rod Conversion. Crane Ignition and my favorite carbs ZS-175s. Then there is a bunch of ARE stuff hung on it...Carb Heat Shield, Front Alloy Engine Plate, Rocker Arm Spacers, Torque Reaction Arm, Flywheel Dust Shield, 10# Steel Flywheel....Kas' Velocity Stacks. Buy some of this stuff. I just wrote a big check to Riverside Sports Cars. :-) Transmission performed extremely well (Riverside Sports Cars) but not fully tested, yet. Third & Fourth under full race conditions. We are ecstatic. #197 has never been lower, wider, or faster, methinks. Now we will tune for all settings, ignition and carbureter, likely at Watkins Glen. We will be pleased to run midpack, if we can. Both Drivers are suffering from a lack of seat time and have no illusions about running at the front. But that's OK. Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They came in 5", 5.5" and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's.? While not common on the ground here, they are often seen on Ebay.? The 5" wheels were not the most common size (5.5" probably the most common) and may be a bit more difficult to locate, but not impossible. I still use a set of them on my current TR4A.? They were manufactured by American Racing here in the states. Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... ????????????????? Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Wes Dayton To: FOT Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of the TR7?. Assuming there is some truth to the caption, does anyone recall anything about these wheels? In particular would be interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. Wes Dayton _______________________________________________ ttp://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/382a1076/attachment-0001.htm From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 16:57:23 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:57:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In-Reply-To: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just get 'em crack checked before you race with the old Mags. ~Steve On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:33 PM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in > 5", 5.5" and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on > the ground here, they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were > not the most common size (5.5" probably the most common) and may be > a bit more difficult to locate, but not impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were > manufactured by American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Dayton > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels > > In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or > optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available > during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I > came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag > wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing > option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of > the TR7?. Assuming there is some truth to the caption, does anyone > recall anything about these wheels? In particular would be > interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. > > Wes Dayton > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/0cd93d5a/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 17:04:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:04:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: Hopefully this would be a strong debating point for Wes on the expansion of wheel width sizes, and the use of more modern wheels. Joe A > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in 5", 5.5" > and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on the ground here, > they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were not the most common size (5.5" > probably the most common) and may be a bit more difficult to locate, but not > impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were manufactured by > American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/c8e9db44/attachment.htm From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Aug 25 17:25:48 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse Message-ID: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> This weekend, just blocks away from my studio, I saw a TR6 that had been in an accident. The car was up on a very high curb, right wheels on the sidewalk, left wheels in the street. The front left wheel was off the car and was laying on the side of the road, 5 or 6 car lengths back. The driver was unharmed and making the usual phone calls. With his permission, I looked over the car. It became readily apparent to me that the left front spindle had come loose. The nut that holds it from behind was gone. The spindle could be found still attached to the wheel and hub assembly. I hardly had time to do a full FCC investigation, but it looked to me like that nut had either come loose, and then was battered loose or it had been installed cross threaded, in the first place, and subsequently came loose... as the threads of the spindle were a mess. This TR owner was extremely lucky. It didn't happen on the freeway. It didn't happen when he had passengers. It didn't happen with another vehicle, motorcyclist, or pedestrians nearby. And the one section of road where he left the tarmac was the one stretch where there were no lamp posts or trees, etc. (100' forward or back, would have been a different story.) It looks like his frame was slightly tweaked, the front left wing and under body in that area damaged, the right two and front left wheels damaged. The bonnet was tweaked, but may settle out when the frame it checked, etc. Throw together the damage to the suspension parts, brake callipers (which had been broken into pieces!), etc., and he's likely looking at $6K in repairs or more. Sad, because the car was quite beautiful. Relative to the car, the positive thing is that the frame is robust and the car can be brought back to a high standard in short time. A few lessons here are... 1. Cross-threading is dangerous. 2. Try to inspect your vehicle when you have wheels off, etc. 3. Listen carefully to your vehicle and when it speaks, listen. 4. (I'm not a roll bar fan, but... think about one...) And lesson for self... "Justin, your cell phone has a camera... use it." --Justin From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 17:33:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse References: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9070a$f5516770$0302a8c0@Bud> Good advice...I wonder how often vintage street cars have stuff magnafluxed? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Triumphs" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Jim Funkhouser" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse > This weekend, just blocks away from my studio, I saw a TR6 that had been > in an accident. The car was up on a very high curb, right wheels on > the sidewalk, left wheels in the street. The front left wheel was off > the car and was laying on the side of the road, 5 or 6 car lengths > back. The driver was unharmed and making the usual phone calls. With > his permission, I looked over the car. It became readily apparent to > me that the left front spindle had come loose. The nut that holds it > from behind was gone. The spindle could be found still attached to the > wheel and hub assembly. > > I hardly had time to do a full FCC investigation, but it looked to me > like that nut had either come loose, and then was battered loose or it > had been installed cross threaded, in the first place, and subsequently > came loose... as the threads of the spindle were a mess. > > This TR owner was extremely lucky. It didn't happen on the freeway. It > didn't happen when he had passengers. It didn't happen with another > vehicle, motorcyclist, or pedestrians nearby. And the one section of > road where he left the tarmac was the one stretch where there were no > lamp posts or trees, etc. (100' forward or back, would have been a > different story.) It looks like his frame was slightly tweaked, the > front left wing and under body in that area damaged, the right two and > front left wheels damaged. The bonnet was tweaked, but may settle out > when the frame it checked, etc. Throw together the damage to the > suspension parts, brake callipers (which had been broken into pieces!), > etc., and he's likely looking at $6K in repairs or more. Sad, because > the car was quite beautiful. Relative to the car, the positive thing is > that the frame is robust and the car can be brought back to a high > standard in short time. > > A few lessons here are... > > 1. Cross-threading is dangerous. > 2. Try to inspect your vehicle when you have wheels off, etc. > 3. Listen carefully to your vehicle and when it speaks, listen. > 4. (I'm not a roll bar fan, but... think about one...) > > And lesson for self... "Justin, your cell phone has a camera... use it." > > --Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 18:11:37 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? 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If anyone is interested, photos and discussion can be seen at http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/ubbthreads.php/topics/493403/1 >From the photos, I would guess the nut that holds the spindle to the vertical link came loose first, as there appear to be some good threads left that the nut should have grabbed. The right side seems to have suffered some sort of failure as well, but perhaps only as a result of the left side failure. Randall From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Aug 25 18:16:14 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B34B4E.2080603@141.com> Two seconds, coming up! Of COURSE we would be thrilled to have the Ceilley brothers as part of this esteemed non-group of ours! Thank you for nominating them! Susan :) marty sukey wrote: > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race > program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave > Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in > touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to > the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with > Windows?. Make your smash hit > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM > -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Aug 25 18:20:08 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:20:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: <20080825.182012.1328.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I'll second GT-6 & Spitfire folks. Bill GT-6+ On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:11:37 -0400 marty sukey writes: Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzv0I3vTKFlanfgWNiT6AWqWi8cdvKH37xic4HHHCBuJVKy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be-learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080819/f9c28a5d/attachment.htm From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 25 20:09:03 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <925038.23093.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Second ... great people & I would have thought they were allready here ... lets get them on the list :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 8/25/08, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination To: "FOT" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:11 PM #yiv1678595704 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1678595704 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/6af744de/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 20:11:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:11:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: FoT, I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a very long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for several years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's memory. Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it all got away from me. My apologies. We will come up with something fitting in the near future. Joe A. > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email > addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/94fcdcf1/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 20:31:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:31:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: The Decal Effort was launched by Joe Curry after being initiated by Bobby Whitehead and funded by two west coast high rollers. Decals are free for the asking, but donations to the Jack Drews Memorial are being accepted. So far the SASEs are streaming in quite nicely to: Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50468 The commercial community has stepped up to the plate quite nicely, but have requested multiple decals...which they shall get. SASE submitted with donations will get first consideration. We will bring decals to the Glen for distribution and voluntary donation. The number is limited. We could do a second run, but I'd rather not. Thanks to all who have participated. This is a nice remembrance to Uncle Jack. Joe & Jan Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/5b9e4a53/attachment.htm From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 20:37:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:37:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In-Reply-To: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808251937q4fd4a42br72b175c20bed5a77@mail.gmail.com> For 1969 SCCA regulations you could use up to 6" wide rims. 2008/8/25 > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in 5", 5.5" > and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on the ground here, > they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were not the most common size > (5.5" probably the most common) and may be a bit more difficult to locate, > but not impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were manufactured by > American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Dayton > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels > > In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or > optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the > period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of > Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says "The > magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing > car until the introduction of the TR7". Assuming there is some truth to the > caption, does anyone recall anything about these wheels? In particular would > be interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. > > Wes Dayton > > _______________________________________________http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. > Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/3e1b2a2b/attachment.htm From wes at hsrca.org.au Mon Aug 25 22:10:53 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:10:53 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the responses. I should clarify that I was simply trying to establish that the ?mag? wheels in various widths were an option during the period. Some understandably thought I was looking for a set of the original mags and pointed out their weaknesses. Instead, what we hope to do is, having established that cars raced using an alloy-type wheel and some were wider, we may succeed in getting approval for a wider option. Once done, we will then be free to find something appropriate (such as the Panasport wheels that it appears many of you use). Thanks again for your help ? Wes Dayton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/48baeae7/attachment-0001.htm From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 23:35:56 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hooking up a Pertronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil in my TR6 Message-ID: <000001c9073d$9f1235a0$b1191718@computer> This TR6 is used entirely to race. Currently it has the stock points and I assume ballast resistor wire. I will check the voltage to the coil for sure before moving forward. For the racing application, shouldn't I run 12 volts to the coil? Is this done best by running a new, clean wire from the key to the coil? The Ignitor instructions say not to remove the ballast wire but I imagine this is referring to a completely stock set up and that it is OK to remove it in my application. What changes should I make in the plug gap or heat range? 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The Ignitor instructions say not to remove the ballast wire but I assume they only mean in a stock set up. Any thoughts on plug gap or even heat range? In the off season, I will be going to triple Webers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3504 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080825/e83ca546/attachment.bin From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Aug 26 01:26:05 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:26:05 +0200 Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse In-Reply-To: References: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> Message-ID: The car is very corroded and the condition seems to be very used, the photos show this.....so no surprise for me. Won't happen to a well kept car. Chris From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Aug 26 04:52:41 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006e01c90769$dd5a8f70$980fae50$@net> I second this with pleasure. Ed was always a pleasure to be around and I have many memories from our events together. Dan and Dave are welcomed. Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey _____ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be-learn how to burn a DVD with WindowsR. Make your smash hit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/1de58612/attachment.htm From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Aug 26 07:07:43 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:07:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Message-ID: The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to gain the regional SCCA championship. Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the museum ? **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/96989c0e/attachment.htm From SpiwakD at aol.com Tue Aug 26 07:28:37 2008 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:28:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for sale Message-ID: Spitfire1970 Mk 4 in good condition. On the road and just had new brakes and top end. Red paint could use freshening. Extra engine and trans included. Only $4,000. Central Pa. More info at _spiwakd at aol.com_ (mailto:spiwakd at aol.com) or 570-441-5646 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/b7fb7d39/attachment-0001.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 26 07:36:21 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:36:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: Absolutely! 2nd! Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/1bcc5af7/attachment.htm From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Aug 26 07:44:44 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, marty sukey wrote: > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? Second and/or third Dan and Dave - WELCOME! > Thanks, > Marty Sukey rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Aug 26 08:35:04 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed Message-ID: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Another candidate for membership in the hall of motoring misery came thru my door this week. A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to stop and reconsider further mayhem? Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could sell?? art de armond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/321d89d7/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 08:47:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:47:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Message-ID: Cary, Glenda Gephart is one of the archivists. You might speak to her when you are at the Glen. Copied here...... glenda at racingarchives.org Some of our journalist/historians may want to check in at the Glen Museum. Regards, Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph > The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races > happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a > independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to > gain the regional SCCA championship. > > Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of > Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was > mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after > selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. > > Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the > museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the > museum ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/976ff367/attachment.htm From danceilley at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 08:58:18 2008 From: danceilley at comcast.net (danceilley at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: <082620081458.26282.48B41A0A00018641000066AA2206824693970A0404070A0C020E0B@comcast.net> Thanks so much Marty, Joe and everyone. Had it not been for vintage racing, my Dad, Mom, brother Dave and I would not have crossed paths with so many fine people, many of which are on this list. I had been on it before, but in changing my e-mail awhile back I lost touch. We really enjoyed the camaraderie and look forward to staying involved. My Dad's '69 GT-6 was the car that we all started with back in 1991, and I look forward to doing a complete frame up restoration on it. I hope there's some GT-6 guys out there to offer some advice, I'll need it! The black '71 Spitfire was a car (with a unique history) that I purchased in 1996 and raced (with a lot of help from willing hands!) until my brother Dave and Dad partnered up with me and eventually purchased outright as demands of home and family prevailed. Dave will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew members. Sorry to be long winded, but I wanted to share that and thank everyone who touched my father's life through the sport. He truly loved it and the people he met because of it. It's unfortunate that the vintage racing community has lost three people recently that I personally knew and felt exemplified the spirit of the sport: my Dad, Jack Drews and Mike Cammarata. I hope we can carry on in that same spirit. Best Regards, Dan Ceilley -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > FoT, > > I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & > Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a very > long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for several > years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's > memory. > > Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it > all got away from me. My apologies. > > We will come up with something fitting in the near future. > > Joe A. > > > > > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program > > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning > > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the > > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. > Email > > addresses as follows. > > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > > > Can I get a second or two? > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:11:35 +0000 Size: 2132 Url: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/986c4bf7/attachment.eml From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Aug 26 09:04:24 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:04:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] More Group 44 GT6 progress Message-ID: last night I dove into the rear suspension. Man there is a lot of trick stuff here. Does anyone know how much of it is original to this car? I had Lanky look at it and he seemed to think it was all original to the car. Any help would be appreciated. Pics will be at our site soon. The trailing arms are heim-jointed. The upper brackets for the Konis seem to be modified. The frame and upright have been clearanced for half shaft clearance. The fender wells themselves seem to be pushed in for tire clearance. The control arm bushings are concentric. The rear spring looks nothing like a stock GT6 piece. Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/62ae02be/attachment.htm From kaskas at cox.net Tue Aug 26 09:08:32 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:08:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A921375FA344C98B5608D09BCD0DC83@KasPC> Mr. Chris Andrews, President of Triumph USA was there to greet and congratulate Erwin after the race. I know, as I was there with him. He was honored as much as possible by the circumstances of the company at that time. Group 44 was in the very formative years and really not a factor. ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Group44TR7 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; glenda at racingarchives.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Cary, Glenda Gephart is one of the archivists. You might speak to her when you are at the Glen. Copied here...... glenda at racingarchives.org Some of our journalist/historians may want to check in at the Glen Museum. Regards, Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to gain the regional SCCA championship. Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the museum ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/491d614d/attachment-0001.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 26 09:09:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:09:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 08/26/2008 9:59:09 AM Central Daylight Time, danceilley at comcast.net writes: > Dave will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew > members. > Hi Dan... Glad to hear your Mom will stay involved with you guys as well. She's a peach. Like Jack and Frances...your Mom and Dad had a fantastic marriage, and their love for one another was no secret. It hung out all over. That's one of my clear memories about Team Ceilley. Currently the FOT list has been trying to put together memories about Jack Drews. I could probably list fifty that related to paddocking, racing, wrenching and TRIUMPH, but one that seems to stick high above the others was the look Frances' eyes when Jack would lead the Sunday Devotionals at many VSCDA events. The look in her eyes spoke volumes about pride and love. It was a two way street. Like your parents, Jack and Frances had a fantastic marriage. They were all wrapped up in one another. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/5aacc62e/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 26 09:44:25 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:44:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While there were MkIVs built in 1970 (starting production in August), they were 1971 models. By that time Triumph was already doing model production that matched the US model years and the year model was by specification not by the year built as was the case prior to 1968. So technically, there are no 1970 MkIVs. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for sale Spitfire1970 Mk 4 in good condition. On the road and just had new brakes and top end. Red paint could use freshening. Extra engine and trans included. Only $4,000. Central Pa. More info at spiwakd at aol.com or 570-441-5646 _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/6ecd324a/attachment.htm From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Aug 26 11:21:24 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:21:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: <082620081458.26282.48B41A0A00018641000066AA2206824693970A0404070A0C020E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Welcome back. It will be nice to see the GT6 back on the track. Your dad and I shared the the track many times over the years, it was always a better race when he was there. Contact me anytime if you need any help. John Zippy (The Pinhead) Racing #69 GT6+ On 8/26/08 9:58 AM, "danceilley at comcast.net" wrote: > Thanks so much Marty, Joe and everyone. Had it not been for vintage racing, my > Dad, Mom, brother Dave and I would not have crossed paths with so many fine > people, many of which are on this list. I had been on it before, but in > changing my e-mail awhile back I lost touch. We really enjoyed the > camaraderie and look forward to staying involved. My Dad's '69 GT-6 was the > car that we all started with back in 1991, and I look forward to doing a > complete frame up restoration on it. I hope there's some GT-6 guys out there > to offer some advice, I'll need it! The black '71 Spitfire was a car (with a > unique history) that I purchased in 1996 and raced (with a lot of help from > willing hands!) until my brother Dave and Dad partnered up with me and > eventually purchased outright as demands of home and family prevailed. Dave > will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew members. > > Sorry to be long winded, but I wanted to share that and thank everyone who > touched my father's life through the sport. He truly loved it and the people > he met because of it. It's unfortunate that the vintage racing community has > lost three people recently that I personally knew and felt exemplified the > spirit of the sport: my Dad, Jack Drews and Mike Cammarata. I hope we can > carry on in that same spirit. > > Best Regards, > Dan Ceilley > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com >> > FoT, >> > >> > I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & >> > Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a >> very >> > long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for >> several >> > years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's >> > memory. >> > >> > Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it >> > all got away from me. My apologies. >> > >> > We will come up with something fitting in the near future. >> > >> > Joe A. >> > >> > >> > >>> > > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race >>> program >>> > > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave >>> Campaigning >>> > > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with >>> the >>> > > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT >>> fraternity. >> > Email >>> > > addresses as follows. >>> > > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net >>> > > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com >>> > > >>> > > Can I get a second or two? >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Marty Sukey >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/6fba8d23/attachment.htm From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 15:30:49 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed In-Reply-To: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <48B47609.9060707@charter.net> Art Refresh my memory, is that the early or late manifold? In either case I can probably help you out. Let me know Glenn riverside wrote: > Another candidate for membership in the hall > of motoring misery came thru my door this week. > A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port > intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket > to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to > stop and reconsider further mayhem? > Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could > sell?? > > art de armond > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 15:40:56 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= Message-ID: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T for plumbing. Does anyone have any experience with this system? Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source for them? The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with brake line? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Glenn 72 Spit Mk IV almost done From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 26 15:59:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= In-Reply-To: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> References: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> Message-ID: <7B6922F2-7100-45E8-AD44-FC9D003E516D@bnj.com> Just an opinion, but an old fire extinguisher on a new race car seems like bad economics. New one aren't cheap, but they are likely to work when you need them and not when you don't. I vividly remember a guy I was preparing to lap in a beautiful Aston Martin who's bargain fire extinguisher picked that particular moment to light off. The car disappeared in a cloud of powder and he ran briskly off the road, fortunately in a good spot, but that was pure luck. I have always stuck with Halon as a result. On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a > FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. > It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T > for > plumbing. > Does anyone have any experience with this system? > Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source > for them? > The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with > brake > line? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > 72 Spit Mk IV almost done > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/e71b0220/attachment.htm From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 26 16:45:33 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed References: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <05df01c907cd$741cbba0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> So you need an early (1/2" spacing between ports) intake manifold?- I may have one; I'll check my inventory (meaning rummaging through my garage!). I'll let you know. Bill Tobin---- Original Message ----- From: riverside To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed Another candidate for membership in the hall of motoring misery came thru my door this week. A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to stop and reconsider further mayhem? Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could sell?? art de armond ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/97d0e989/attachment.htm From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 26 16:59:07 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?_Re=3A__FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguish?= =?iso-8859-1?q?er_system?= References: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> Message-ID: <05fc01c907cf$58724bc0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> You might consider the AFFF systems on the market (Pegasus). You can refill them yourself if need be for about $65. They are water based. A friend set his off by mistake and said there was foam everywhere. Just don't let them freeze. Good luck, Bill--- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [Fot] FlameOut? FE-1301 fire extinguisher system When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T for plumbing. Does anyone have any experience with this system? Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source for them? The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with brake line? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Glenn 72 Spit Mk IV almost done _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 17:35:56 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest Message-ID: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Joe(B) whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19krr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 18:29:14 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301_fire_extinguisher_system?= In-Reply-To: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: A side note that's not as important as life-saving fire extinguishing is that, if pulled accidentally, I have heard that Halon is very tough to clean up but foam can be washed away. ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My > rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon > will. Joe(B) > > whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19krr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 18:49:54 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:49:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FlameOutR FE-1301 fire extinguisher system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0A5CA26597A14415973669D37C8F2300@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I am also using the AFFF system in my Spitfire. I first worked with it around 20 years ago when working on some Air Force hangar fire protection systems and it wasn't a new product then. The foam is corrosive, so it should be washed off right away, but it should clean up easily. I've got one nozzle pointed at my legs and the other two on the firewall pointing at either side of the engine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:29 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] FlameOutR FE-1301 fire extinguisher system A side note that's not as important as life-saving fire extinguishing is that, if pulled accidentally, I have heard that Halon is very tough to clean up but foam can be washed away. ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My > rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon > will. Joe(B) > > whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19k > rr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 19:16:57 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:16:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen Message-ID: FoT: If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need a room for two people Wednesday on. 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Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mDcGqo8cksEDUxGrgPHV0Rw19aFA5DuRG05s0SdqOv7uRRo/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/07b01842/attachment.htm From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Aug 26 20:25:53 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:25:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom In-Reply-To: <20080826.200619.2608.9.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080826.200619.2608.9.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Second - no problem! Fred Hodgson To: FOT at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:19 -0600From: wgrosenbach at juno.comSubject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom Greetings all, I?d like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to this group. Robert drives a Spitfire Mk III, on the street. He grew up in New York, attending events at Watkins Glen, hanging out around the track and paddock while his dad worked Flagging & Communication in the late ?60s, & ?70s. These days he works F&C with Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, and is a committee member of the Colorado English Motoring Conclave. Seconds, please. Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/b37f1774/attachment.htm From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 26 20:43:34 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license plate attached. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. > >http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ > > >~STEVE BELFER >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 20:47:37 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <6C7FC0B8-4039-4907-B157-24CE39AFD05F@earthlink.net> My dad, a long time TR3 racer and restorer is on the very bottom of this page driving his Lotus 7. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_29.html ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:43 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt > on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license > plate attached. > > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html > > Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html > > > > > At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >> I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >> tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >> These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >> all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured >> here. >> >> http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ >> >> >> ~STEVE BELFER >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/20be48f7/attachment.htm From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Aug 26 21:16:17 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:16:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe and Uncle Jack in teh new issue of British Motoring Message-ID: I got a look at an advance copy of the new British Motoring magazine. This is the publication Moss Motors puts out that includes their sale information. It will be on the streets in a few weeks and has a richly deserved article on Joe Alexander and the FOT. There is also a brief mention of how much we will all miss Uncle Jack. Those of you who don't get this publication can get it for free by calling Moss or going to their site. I believe if you sign up now you will get this issue. Kelvin from Moss is on our FOT list and should be able to clarify some of this. Tim Suddard Publisher:? Grassroots Motorsports Classic Motorsports NEW ADDRESS/PHONE: 915 Ridgewood Ave., Holly Hill FL 32117 (386) 239-0523 phone (386) 239-0573 fax www.GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.net ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They came from Moss and I know what they will say.WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM Lorne Fritz _____ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with WindowsR. Game with Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080826/c6499dc7/attachment.htm From goodparts at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 04:28:16 2008 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:28:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B52C40.4080107@verizon.net> Yes, I got a room at Econo Lodge Elmira but they are full now. Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Ed, et. al. > > Richard Good indicates that there are hotels available under: > > Getaway.com > > One is the Econo Lodge in Painted Post > > Richard, > > Are you coming? > > Joe A > >> >> Getaway.com still shows a number of available hotels in the area. >> >> Richard Good >> >> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> >>> FoT: >>> >>> If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need >>> a room for two people Wednesday on. Thanks >>> >>> Joe A >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/4e33e99d/attachment.htm From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Aug 27 05:47:48 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:47:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen In-Reply-To: <48B52C40.4080107@verizon.net> References: <48B52C40.4080107@verizon.net> Message-ID: <017101c9083a$ba82cef0$2f886cd0$@net> Ithaca has lots of motels and is about the same distance as Elmira if anyone is still in need. It's about a 35 minute drive to The Glen. Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Good Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:28 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen Yes, I got a room at Econo Lodge Elmira but they are full now. Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: Ed, et. al. Richard Good indicates that there are hotels available under: Getaway.com One is the Econo Lodge in Painted Post Richard, Are you coming? Joe A Getaway.com still shows a number of available hotels in the area. Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT: If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need a room for two people Wednesday on. Thanks Joe A _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/113909ab/attachment.htm From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Aug 27 06:24:13 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short period of use. They came from Moss and I know what they will say.WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM Lorne Fritz ________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows(r). Game with Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. ?In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER_______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/814ff046/attachment-0001.htm From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Aug 27 07:24:25 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom Message-ID: <20080827.072425.2344.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I knew I forgot something. Robert's E-mail address is, boom-town at msn.com . On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:19 -0600 wgrosenbach at juno.com writes: Greetings all, I?d like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to this group. Robert drives a Spitfire Mk III, on the street. He grew up in New York, attending events at Watkins Glen, hanging out around the track and paddock while his dad worked Flagging & Communication in the late ?60s, & ?70s. These days he works F&C with Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, and is a committee member of the Colorado English Motoring Conclave. Seconds, please. Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLKljb5U1d2xJ2Ftods435fxJEpnEHQYNPAxFHOvWoimQ2m/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Benford Jr To: FOT ; Steven Belfer Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/e951b81d/attachment.htm From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Aug 27 07:34:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C4A@server.Triumph.local> There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorne Fritz > Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch > > Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a > TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out > forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short > period of use. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 27 07:45:18 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <006201c90849$f019b060$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006201c90849$f019b060$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <20080827134503.C695B187892@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/a4b252be/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 08:12:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:12:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches Message-ID: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/d1ed7e62/attachment.htm From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Aug 27 08:23:13 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C4A@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <025001c90850$71233b30$0302a8c0@Charly> I know of at least 3 failures in the NW of these clutches, B-B and even a supposedly racing clutch from a Saab application. It seems the only way around this problem is the adapting of a Tilton clutch. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Lorne Fritz" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lorne Fritz >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch >> >> Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a >> TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out >> forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short >> period of use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 08:33:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen Message-ID: FOT Entrants: As indicated in earlier emails......Arrangements have been made to tech the Triumphs in one location. This will save time for the Triumphs and SVRA. The WPTA Hospitality Tent could be used temporarily for this function. Have everything ready to tech and Bob Williams will be a happy man. If you went to Thunderbolt you will only need your Log Book. Joe Alexander See below from Jack Woerhle: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- > Sounds good to me. The Triumph corral will be outside the south gate of the > garage area and they will have a tent. You might want to communicate with > Joe Alexander on the exact location. > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:42:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ibexbob at ptd.net writes: > > >> I am going to post a notice that anyone that went through Thunderbolt >> TECH. need only bring their log book to TECH. to get passed through for >> the Glen. I'll have a special time for the Trimuph people and inspectors >> to go to them since there are Forty cars in one place. >> Thunderbolt was a very good and complete inspection with an excellant crew >> that took proper time with each inspection. >> OK? >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/457d47ea/attachment.htm From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Aug 27 09:17:46 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <005a01c90858$106aaaa0$64690143@your55e5f9e3d2> The license plate reference caused a flashback to the day i promised myself to never again run a Chicago Region SCCA event. TR3 racers will recall the not uncommon loss of the spare tire well cover. My racer was street licensed (to reduce the size of the fine when apprehended in the act of public testing) and i kept the plate securely attacked to the tire well cover where it belonged. Even tho the GCR did not reference license plates, i was summoned to the top of the Road America "tower" and threatened with excomunication if i did not remove the plate. On a more pleasant note, the other TR3 running that event was towed behind a 289 Cobra. Wish i still had the entry list.. We both had engine problems, I beat him that day because we both needed to pit to add oil , but only he did. Ghost tracks: A reunion at Meadowdale is scheduled for 9/13-14 accordiing to yesterday's alfa racer group ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest >I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt > on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license > plate attached. > > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html > > Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html > > > > > At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >>I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >>tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >>These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >>all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. >> >>http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ >> >> >>~STEVE BELFER >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 > 7:29 AM > > From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed Aug 27 09:25:09 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a wonderful book entitled "Ghost Tracks" by Pete Hylton that chronicles the great days of racing at circuits that no longer exist and one or two that still do. It's based on a series of articles that appeared in SCCA's Sports Car magazine. Go to www.legacyinkpublishing.com Covers tracks like Vineland, Green Valley and Moffet Field. Familiar? mike Cook Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700From: sbracing at sbcglobal.netTo: fot at autox.team.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale.--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwestTo: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER_______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/19eaac20/attachment.htm From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Aug 27 09:45:38 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:45:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: > FoT, > > No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed > out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this > business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, > regardless of the label. > > One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch > components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave > me some good insight in the business side. > > Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently > superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had > apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. > > But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... > > Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up > being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this > winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. > > Joe A > > > > >> There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers >> that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. >> Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction >> disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not >> disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. >> >> Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could >> not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. >> Scratch that gearbox case... >> >> There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season >> because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the >> race spares is a very good idea. >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/2c2365ec/attachment.htm From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 27 09:59:50 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:59:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net><121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9758085C50614E6A8EF9704375EDB844@newcomputer> Green Valley was a memorable track northwest of Dallas, which unfortunately went the way of many old tracks. It was gobbled up to make way for houses and businesses. Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:25 AM To: sbracing at sbcglobal.net; FOT; Steven Belfer Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest There is a wonderful book entitled "Ghost Tracks" by Pete Hylton that chronicles the great days of racing at circuits that no longer exist and one or two that still do. It's based on a series of articles that appeared in SCCA's Sports Car magazine. Go to www.legacyinkpublishing.com Covers tracks like Vineland, Green Valley and Moffet Field. Familiar? mike Cook _____ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net To: fot at autox.team.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com / ~STEVE BELFER _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/3abdf660/attachment-0001.htm From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Aug 27 10:05:55 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches I've been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. _____ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/c4403504/attachment.htm From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 10:31:59 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> References: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <88F1F63C-373A-4142-A327-4CAAC25BC98B@bnj.com> Ditto, though I use Quartermaster clutches. Other than a difference in initial expense I can't see a reason to use stock junk--at least not for racing. I'd probably use stock stuff in a street car because it's probably easier on the transmission, and the passengers. The quartermasters are not cheap, though the bottom of the line V-Drive unit isn't all that bad and is just a strong as the fancy one I run, but pulling your engine one extra time would seem to justify the expense. I probably spent more money trying to get stock clutches to work than I have since I switched. I did manage to screw up my Quartermaster, but that was a stupid error on my part, and it still worked for 12 more race weekends before failing. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Don Marshall wrote: > My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no > problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup > from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of John Reed > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM > To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches > > I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. > It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The > pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for > proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I > replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even > when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 > spline disks. > > > On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: > FoT, > > No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been > farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends > say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what > you are getting, regardless of the label. > > One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was > remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the > design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business > side. > > Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are > frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a > TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the > springs replaced. > > But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... > > Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may > end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will > happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. > > Joe A > > > > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in > racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the > friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Regards, > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA > Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 > > John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail > in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e- > mail. 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The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting questions. And the FoT invites you to visit us in the Triumph Paddock through the weekend. Classic Motorsports is our sponsor for the Kastner Cup and will have a tent with an English Pub Theme. WPTA/VTR will have their usual FoT Hospitality Tent in place and there will be several things going on there. Likely a few surprises. Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hence crew and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/104f0707/attachment.htm From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 27 11:47:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:47:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> > Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of > clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. I agree. Worth noting perhaps that the TR6 originally used "dowel bolts" that had threads plus precision ground shanks so they could serve both as locating dowels and clamping bolts. At least one LBC vendor is selling ordinary bolts (with the usual undersize shanks) as replacements. Randall From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 12:17:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:17:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak & The FOT Message-ID: Bill Dentinger! Thanks for supplementing my announcement. We have worked with the Village Festival Committee on some of these features, as they have Honored the Triumph Marque for the weekend. They have responded to us very nicely. And I wish to thank them for that. Copied Here. Stand by for more announcements....there are several more. Joe A > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race > cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to > reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be > difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to > do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, > or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before > SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get > credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday > night or early Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/8b7728a9/attachment.htm From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 12:22:25 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us all together. It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 Bill On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com > writes: > > >> The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 >> PM in the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: >> >> Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. >> Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 >> Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 >> John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) >> >> All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask >> interesting questions. > > > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when > the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen > for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there > for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew > and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN > before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip > downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a > limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If > interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early > Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/4d533ae4/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 12:32:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:32:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: Bill, I could be wrong and may stand corrected, but I thought I heard somewhere that the Triumph Marque would lead off the Old Course with one lap and then the rest will follow for a second. That would be VERY Special. Dont hold me to that. I might have been dreaming. Joe A > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This > year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I > doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us > all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone > that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I > can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed > her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are > pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony > Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I > took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I > don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to > have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's > handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place > because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. > http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > > Bill > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/e22c372e/attachment.htm From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 27 13:01:54 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> References: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <432A98BC4786445B82298B279BC36945@KasPC> The method of using "dowel bolts" was a thing I devised in 1967 when working on the first of the TR 6 cylinder motor and having the clutch fly off the flywlwheel. I think I detail this in one of my books. Works too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 clutch > >> Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of >> clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. > > I agree. Worth noting perhaps that the TR6 originally used "dowel bolts" > that had threads plus precision ground shanks so they could serve both as > locating dowels and clamping bolts. At least one LBC vendor is selling > ordinary bolts (with the usual undersize shanks) as replacements. > > Randall > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 13:14:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:14:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> Message-ID: I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the Glen. On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > Bill, > I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at > turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and > she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed > sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left > front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I > am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have > seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist > syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This > latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the > Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought > I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA > let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. > In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The > other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could > never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and > my right rear, ??????? I had to replace the entire front end, the > whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she > didn?t like being passed. Jeez. > > In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this > year. > Best regards > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to > go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some > special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, > but they might at least stick us all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride > for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on > Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, > visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. > Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured > LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL > working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took > it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons > I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging > remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized > for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't > make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/18618a4d/attachment-0001.htm From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:56:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808271256h10be0117vb78b93c9d104a52a@mail.gmail.com> So,since it appears passengersare allowed, Isurewouldlike aride from anyone who can give it -- all the better it in a TR6. Chuck 2008/8/27 Bill Babcock > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This > year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I > doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick > us all together. > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for > anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel > cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but > she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning > too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at > the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins > Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, > MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark > about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I > left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without > it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, > N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > > The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in > the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: > > Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. > Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 > Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 > John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) > > All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting > questions. > > > > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race > cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to > reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will > be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier > to do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN > before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown > before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of > cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for > it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > *Paddlesurfing's Web Journal* > * > * > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It came with the car and is probably the original setup from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... 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I'd like to get in that line as well, in any TR that has a 2nd seat. Thanks, Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/587a89de/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Chuck Arnold" Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:56:57 +0000 Size: 731 Url: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/587a89de/attachment-0001.eml From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 27 14:18:39 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:18:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Decals Message-ID: <9B21EA37ED994A9CAE83B1EEF344AB22@newcomputer> The Decals are on their way to Joe A. and should arrive in plenty of time to arrive before he leaves for the Glen. I don't know if Mark has added the attachment removal to the list yet but if not, here is a picture of the decal. Joe C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/abee1b67/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 59.PDF Type: application/pdf Size: 37178 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/abee1b67/attachment-0001.pdf From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 14:43:33 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:43:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT Message-ID: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Hi guys, I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, from a T A Moser from Washington. However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? Thanks, Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/ec09de70/attachment.htm From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 14:57:39 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT In-Reply-To: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <691A4DEB-4935-417D-9E4A-6BF78F32D13C@bnj.com> Nope, where is washington is he from? Ask him what organization he plans to race with. If he replies SOVREN then I can ask Dick Buckingham about him. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > Hi guys, > > I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, > from a T A Moser from Washington. > > However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He > wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to > be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. > He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced > that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and > documentation. > > Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/d2255280/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 15:23:48 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:23:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014601c9088b$32b949d0$0302a8c0@Bud> Irv... Ask him for a POSTAL MONEY ORDER non refundable down payment..of say..$500.00...tell him that he can deduct the cost of overnighting it to you(about 15.00) for his trouble..then you're safe...any post office can verify the postal money order...A CASHIER'S CHECK DOES NOT PROTECT YOU..your bank will credit you and then come back at you in about 2 weeks... Good luck..let's hope it's on the up and up Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT Hi guys, I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, from a T A Moser from Washington. However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? 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It's not my fault all the people congregate at the corners and waive at us!!! Bill, can't you rig a seat and belts for the top of that... er, ballast box you carry over there in the passenger side of your car? :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > And Diane will need a > ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her > sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in > NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather > helmet and goggles. From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Aug 27 15:41:52 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Frederick Hodgson) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:41:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire block needed Message-ID: Amici- Does anyone have an early 1296 (small crank) block that they're willing to part with? I have a customer/friend/racer in need of one. Contact me off list with the particulars. Thanks in advance. Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/4666e968/attachment.htm From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Aug 27 16:42:12 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:42:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: You will have to take that up with Bob Williams who I have copied here.. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/27/2008 2:33:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: Bill, I could be wrong and may stand corrected, but I thought I heard somewhere that the Triumph Marque would lead off the Old Course with one lap and then the rest will follow for a second. That would be VERY Special. Dont hold me to that. I might have been dreaming. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/93e3a19c/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 19:38:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:38:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Message-ID: FoT: I know I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If it wasnt for Joe Richards we wouldnt have a significant piece of our heritage on it's wheels. If it wasnt for TR2 TS1 LO, we wouldnt be racing Triumphs. The FOT and VTR (WPTA) are honoring Joe & Dottie Richards at the Glen. They will be in the Triumph Paddock, when they are not out and about the track and the Village. During the weekend, Joe & Dottie are passing this cherished piece of Triumph History to Robert Parker Smith, as the new caretaker/owner. From the Glen it goes to Robert's private museum, in Hawaii. TR2 TS1 LO will also be featured at Watkins Glen International as our Honorary Pace Car for the Classic Motorsport's Kastner Cup Race. Be there at the track to express your appreciation to Joe & Dottie and congratulate Robert Parker on his acquisition. ALOHA, TR2 TS1 LO!!!! Joe Alexander Friends of triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/c53335c8/attachment-0001.htm From lfritz82 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 27 19:42:15 2008 From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:42:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Luk clutch Message-ID: Thanks for all the input. I forgot to mention that these were street cars. I've used a TR6 Laycock and now Luk for 30 years in my race car(TR3) and never had a failure. 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/0aeb8015/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 20:22:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:22:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring Message-ID: Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/a96e9602/attachment.htm From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Aug 27 21:01:11 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957Sebring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am pleased to second the nomination. Robert belongs here. Welcome to the friends, Robert Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: August 27, 2008 10:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957Sebring Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/7ddb40a1/attachment.htm From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 27 20:28:54 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861296.60057.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ABSOLUTELY!!!! ? SECOND||!!!! ? Joe, ? My only question, is why havent we had him here before now .... ? Welcome Robert.? We would all love to have you. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Wed, 8/27/08, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:22 PM Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a ?significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. ?(Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. ?We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/dfd1ffeb/attachment.htm From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 21:05:48 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f101c908ba$f936fec0$eba4fc40$@racer@comcast.net> Joe: His resume speaks for itself and makes us occasional weekend warriors pale by comparison. I gladly second and look forward to meeting Robert at The Glen. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080827/0176ca9d/attachment-0001.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 06:40:15 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:40:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A > Hi Joe, > > Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: > > 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? > 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take > me to drive there? > > Cheers, Keith > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/cea226fb/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 06:51:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:51:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. Message-ID: FoT, Our Legends Speak at 3:00PM on Friday at the Glen. We need one or more videographers to record this for posterity. Perhaps someone already planned to this? Thanks, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/b1b6a3a3/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 07:30:40 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:30:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: The VTR (Blake Discher) is providing a mini event poster for the Friends of Triumph and for attending VTR Members This one is being professionally done and printed on quality hard stock. I do not know the composition of it, as I have not seen a working document. There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable piece of art. At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other VIPs. This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. This will be a great companion piece to it, methinks!~ Joe Alexander Blake Discher -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/9798afde/attachment.htm From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 07:38:04 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:38:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent References: Message-ID: <018d01c90913$4c62c5e0$0300a8c0@Desktop> With that is going on Are you guys going to have time to race? ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent The VTR (Blake Discher) is providing a mini event poster for the Friends of Triumph and for attending VTR Members This one is being professionally done and printed on quality hard stock. I do not know the composition of it, as I have not seen a working document. There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable piece of art. At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other VIPs. This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. This will be a great companion piece to it, methinks!~ Joe Alexander Blake Discher ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 8/28/08 9:31:21 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > The VTR (Blake Discher) is providing a mini event poster for the Friends of > Triumph and for attending VTR Members > > This one is being professionally done and printed on quality hard stock. > > I do not know the composition of it, as I have not seen a working document. > There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable > piece of art. > > At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want > to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at > Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other > VIPs. > > This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. ?This will be a > great companion piece to it, methinks!~ > > Joe Alexander > Blake Discher > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/a339388b/attachment.htm From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Aug 28 07:42:20 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:42:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2008 6:34:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wensley_Tr at comcast.net writes: With that is going on Are you guys going to have time to race? Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The guy claims to be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? Thanks, Irv Korey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 28 09:11:58 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:11:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be Vince Lombardi, and one of my favorite quotes: "Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well that we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence" Bob Kramer ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:39 AM To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; wensley_Tr at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/6ac8083e/attachment.htm From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Aug 28 09:51:55 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:51:55 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! Message-ID: <20080828.115155.16836.3@webmail02.dca.untd.com> If driving from the airport, Newark would be best, but Keith, you may consider taking a shuttle flight from NY or Newark to Binghampton or Syracuse or Rochester. Binghampton is about an hour drive and Syracuse and Rochester about 1.5 hours. Joe(B) -- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmMA5gYZvtml5viuTVvDBimYILqlyGkwFF8hofG3ZDF6DU5k/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/e8ca76f7/attachment.htm From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Aug 28 11:07:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22AA5235A3804845A6C73C4D7A60C215@SohlPC> We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also: cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sure am sad I am going to miss this once in a lifetime event -- it is just a fitting cap to a Triumph season that saw me build out a car, get it running real well, then have it break a rod before I could race it. See you all at the Kastner Cup next year, wherever it may be! -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/38c225fc/attachment.htm From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 28 14:33:57 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill, 1927 - 2008 (fwd) Message-ID: >From another list... Word has just reached us that America's first World Champion, Phil Hill, passed away this morning due to complications from Parkinson's disease. All of us at The Motorsport Collector wish to extend our deepest sympathy to Phil's wife Alma, his son Derek and daughters Vanessa and Jennifer. 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Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a track to develop a rhythm on. From turn 1 through 5b you?re on your toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar! Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none of us will have that situation again. Russ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM To: Russ Moore Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the Glen. On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: Bill, I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and my right rear, I had to replace the entire front end, the whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she didn?t like being passed. Jeez. In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this year. Best regards Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us all together. It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After the race I went over to shake his hand and he was reliving the race talking with some other guys, just like any other car nut would, talking and laughing about passes and corners and cars. I shook his hand and he asked which car was mine. When I told him he said "What is IN that thing?" I told him it was a TR3 in drag and he got really animated, told me his first race car was a TR3 and he still loved 'em. I was walking on air for days. It was like God telling you he liked your car. Damn, damn, damn. Bill On Aug 28, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> From another list... > > > Word has just reached us that > America's first > World Champion, Phil Hill, passed away this > morning due to complications from Parkinson's > disease. > > All of us at The Motorsport Collector wish to > extend our deepest sympathy to Phil's wife > Alma, his son Derek and daughters Vanessa and > Jennifer. > > We have fond memories of the many autograph > sessions and other contact we had with Phil > over the years. 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/856823f4/attachment-0001.htm From Billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 28 15:36:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> Message-ID: <6DA5F5D6-ABC3-4BC0-9971-9FFF4F3D8AA0@bnj.com> I've always maintained that to drive Mosport well you have to grow a third testicle. I don't know what the ladies do. An extra testicle would come in handy at Watkins Glen as well, it's not easy and there's some places that you REALLY don't want to screw up. On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > Mosport is a great track and always a good time. My first laps on it > years back were with what would be group 6 cars if they were in an > SVRA event. Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a > track to develop a rhythm on. From turn 1 through 5b you?re on your > toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and > 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on > the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar! > > Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured > by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or > Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other > party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none > of us will have that situation again. > > Russ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM > To: Russ Moore > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an > accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it > has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your > gloves, see you at the Glen. > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > > > Bill, > I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at > turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and > she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed > sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left > front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I > am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have > seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist > syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This > latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the > Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought > I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA > let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. > In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The > other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could > never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and > my right rear, ??????? I had to replace the entire front end, the > whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she > didn?t like being passed. Jeez. > > In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this > year. > Best regards > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to > go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some > special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, > but they might at least stick us all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride > for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on > Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, > visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. > Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured > LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL > working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took > it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons > I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging > remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized > for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't > make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/24ce144d/attachment.htm From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Aug 28 15:55:00 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill, 1927 - 2008 (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very sad news indeed. The sport needs more men like Phil Hill. Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/c96eee5e/attachment.htm From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 16:05:58 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent References: Message-ID: <012b01c9095a$4291ae40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Kind of like "Ain't no such thing as luck, you make your own" Some guy named Shelby said it, I think. I'll be at the Glen around noon Wednesday; If I can be of assistance to anyone, call my cell 814 566-6542. It's my 40th anniversary of going there. I've had some great times there and hope to have some more. See you there, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6----- Original Message ----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; Group44TR7 at aol.com ; wensley_Tr at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent That would be Vince Lombardi, and one of my favorite quotes: "Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well that we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence" Bob Kramer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:39 AM To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; wensley_Tr at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/2a9c7386/attachment-0001.htm From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 16:04:28 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! References: Message-ID: <00a101c9095a$0b2c5090$0201a8c0@Bevan> If it helps, I'm flying in to Boston from London Heathrow on Virgin Atlantic. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/fe4a993d/attachment.htm From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 16:08:29 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:08:29 +0100 Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. References: Message-ID: <00b301c9095a$9ae782e0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Joe I was intending to ask someone to operate my video camera which I'm bringing with me. There are a number of people in the UK (former factory people) who remember Kas and the US competition scene. They're too old/too underfunded to come themselves but have asked me if I can video as much of WG as I can - including 'The Legends'.. Only thing is, my Sony Camcorder still runs Hi8 and isn't digital, but its fully charged with a new tape and even has a tripod!!!!!!! Anyone willing to push the record button for me? Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. FoT, Our Legends Speak at 3:00PM on Friday at the Glen. We need one or more videographers to record this for posterity. Perhaps someone already planned to this? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/c414c5b7/attachment.htm From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 16:55:30 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:55:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Message-ID: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/ec4114c1/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 17:15:58 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:15:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser References: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <013801c90964$081037f0$0302a8c0@Bud> Irv...I wonder if he could really be D.B. Cooper? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:55 PM Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/31663737/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 17:23:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:23:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Message-ID: Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A > Hey Bill, > > To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: > > http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are > in > olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING > authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional > license > first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be > novices at > first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of > testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. > nobody > wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about > $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. > thx > again, > t.a. moser > He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, > but he has done a bit of homework at least. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/0d0cb62d/attachment.htm From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 28 17:57:24 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs References: Message-ID: <037501c90969$d1888150$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Oh my, I need to get the WPTA tent to WG much earlier than I thought I needed to. I'll see what can be done! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs FOT, Bob Williams, Chief of Safety & Tech Inspections sends this note to all of us. Print it out and keep it with you. You will need it if you forget the information. Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SVRA TECH. Notice for Triumph Safety & Tech Inspection at Watkins Glen 08 vintage Event.Any entrant that was teched at Thunderbolt need only show up at the Glen tech area with a log book and tech will be completed without the car or driver's gear present. Trimuphs not at Thunderbolt can have their cars teched at the WPTA Hospitality Tent between the hours of 10:45am to 12:45.pm on THUR. SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/3815066b/attachment.htm From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 28 18:14:39 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Irv, Money talks. If you can secure a real money deal, watching out for the pitfalls, it doesn't matter who he is. With my guy from Japan, the car stayed with me until a sizable cash deposit was after he looked at the car. He came all the way from Japan, so asking him to come look at the car first hand isn't too much to ask. Ask him to bring cash or send a money order as previously mentioned and stick to your guns. I hope you get pleasantly surprised. I got to go home and start packing. Bob ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:23 PM To: emanteno at comcast.net; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs FOT, Bob Williams, Chief of Safety & Tech Inspections sends this note to all of us. Print it out and keep it with you. You will need it if you forget the information. Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SVRA TECH. Notice for Triumph Safety & Tech Inspection at Watkins Glen 08 vintage Event.Any entrant that was teched at Thunderbolt need only show up at the Glen tech area with a log book and tech will be completed without the car or driver's gear present. Trimuphs not at Thunderbolt can have their cars teched at the WPTA Hospitality Tent between the hours of 10:45am to 12:45.pm on THUR. SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/7012e888/attachment-0001.htm From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:50:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:50:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: Message-ID: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/6114bd68/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:59:42 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser References: Message-ID: <01c001c90972$85f7efb0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Irv...There have been at least 3 times that i sold motorcycles on Ebay, and then could not contact the buyer..each time the buyer came through fine...There were other times when Scams were tried..especially one time with a cashier's check...YOU CANNOT TRUST A CASHIER'S CHECK OR MONEY ORDER..unless it's a postal money order that can be scanned at any post office...Then, you must cash it immedietly because it can be stopped. Think positive..stay quiet..and simply protect yourself...and if all else fails, keep asking us for advice and become completely paranoid... D.B. Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: emanteno at comcast.net ; fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll definitely get some good stories from Hardy (Hi Hardy, wish I was going to be there to say "hi")! R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/45e79c2c/attachment.htm From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 19:50:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:50:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Message-ID: Ya, but he is young at heart. > Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San > francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? > Racer Bud > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/353ae21c/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:24:11 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> <012101c908fb$d3848260$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <020201c9097e$535fdb10$0302a8c0@Bud> Woohooo..You bet...How old do we have to get?...Well..the older the better as far as Me and most racers are concerned! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Preiss To: RACER BUD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Bud I think it depends on who you ask. Is Michael Schumaker a legend? Age 29. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; HARDY CATPUSHER PRENTICE Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/e5f6147b/attachment.htm From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:28:54 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <8E.11.06516.FBD47B84@smtp06.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <022901c9097e$fbac6b80$0302a8c0@Bud> Kas..do you know what the cutoff date is? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: R. John Lye To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen At 08:05 PM 8/28/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... You'll definitely get some good stories from Hardy (Hi Hardy, wish I was going to be there to say "hi")! R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/7e01b70f/attachment.htm From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 28 21:23:48 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:23:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill Message-ID: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? mjb. From Keith.Files at vocalink.com Thu Aug 28 11:35:09 2008 From: Keith.Files at vocalink.com (Keith Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! Message-ID: Dear All, Many thanks for all your comments and help; it is much appreciated. Here is what is happening; I will fly into Newark on Thursday 4th and will arrive at 13:15 US time. Cannot get a flight to Binghampton as all full so will take a flight to Buffalo to meet up with Cliff and then onto WG; eta for Thursday evening is around 8pm. Joe, the airline schedules do not allow me to make the 5:30 session but we have all day Friday Saturday and Sunday to play. Cheers, Keith -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sohl To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; Keith Files ; fot at autox.team.net CC: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thu Aug 28 18:07:35 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also: cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ________________________________ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ***************************************************** This email is issued by a VocaLink group company. It is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the addressee only. You should not disclose its contents to any other person. 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This message has been checked for all email viruses by MessageLabs. ************************************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/324c9e06/attachment-0001.htm From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 22:00:31 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:00:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48B7745F.506@verizon.net> Yes, at least once. I believe at Torrey Pines he drove a TR2. I think the car was owned by Cal Sales. I'll check my library. I met and talked to Phil a number of times. A great champion and gentleman. To Phil Hill, congratulations on a life well lived. Kurt Oblinger Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 22:10:58 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Found it; 11-28-54 Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - 1st in class I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered why he took this drive. Kurt Oblinger Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:31:46 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:31:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B7745F.506@verizon.net> Message-ID: on 8/29/08 12:00 AM, Kurt Oblinger at koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Yes, at least once. I believe at Torrey Pines he drove a TR2. I think > the car was owned by Cal Sales. I'll check my library. > > I met and talked to Phil a number of times. A great champion and > gentleman. To Phil Hill, congratulations on a life well lived. > > Kurt Oblinger > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Yes Dorothy Deen coaxed him into racing a T at 2 for Her at an early race in Torry Pines July 1954 ist in Classs 10th Overall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 28 22:37:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> My memory of the conversation I had with him is not fresh (neither is my memory of what I had for dinner tonight), but as I recall he said he had a TR2 or 3, perhaps as a street car? That might explain why he took the ride. He expressed great fondness for them. In the conversations I had with him (fewer and shorter than I would have liked) he always impressed me as a guy who wouldn't exaggerate even to be nice. Well mannered but straightforward. On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Found it; > > 11-28-54 > Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca > Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th > overall - > 1st in class > > I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been > driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always > wondered > why he took this drive. > > Kurt Oblinger > > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >> >> mjb. From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:41:51 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: on 8/28/08 11:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis at mark at bradakis.com wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. Yes Dorothy Deen coaxed him into racing a TR2 for Her at an early race - Torrey Pines July 1954 I believe 1st in Classs 10th Overall From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:47:00 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Message-ID: on 8/29/08 12:10 AM, Kurt Oblinger at koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Found it; > > 11-28-54 > Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca > Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - > 1st in class > > I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been > driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered > why he took this drive. > > Kurt Oblinger November sounds better---- according to Jim, Dorothy winked a lot at him and got him to race the car!!! From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 23:07:41 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <48B7841D.4080306@verizon.net> A few years ago I started working up a magazine article for British Car on well known drivers who raced Triumphs early on in their careers. Dan Gurney's first road race was at Torrey Pines in 1955 in a TR2. Jim Clark rallied a TR2 early on and later drove a TR3 in some club races. Vic Elford rallied a Vitesse before becoming an endurance ace. Kurt O. Bill Babcock wrote: > My memory of the conversation I had with him is not fresh (neither is > my memory of what I had for dinner tonight), but as I recall he said > he had a TR2 or 3, perhaps as a street car? That might explain why he > took the ride. > He expressed great fondness for them. In the conversations I had with > him (fewer and shorter than I would have liked) he always impressed me > as a guy who wouldn't exaggerate even to be nice. Well mannered but > straightforward. > On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > >> Found it; >> >> 11-28-54 >> Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca >> Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - >> 1st in class >> >> I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been >> driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered >> why he took this drive. >> >> Kurt Oblinger >> >> >> Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >>> >>> mjb. > > From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Aug 29 01:05:31 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:05:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <020201c909a5$a0657fb0$0201a8c0@Bevan> MJB wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? I saw him and spoke to him on a number of occasions at the BMIHT museum in the UK when he brought over parties of North American visitors. Apart from being one of the most courteous of treasured motoring history icons (you'd be amazed at how many are/were arrogant and just downright rude!) he also demonstrated a very full and detailed grasp of the UK's motor industry evolution, the makes and models that made up the vehicle groups and their performance attributes. IMHO, you don't get that level of knowledge just reading books. You'll have driven the cars for some meaningful mileages, met and spoken with the people who designed and made them and got to know a lot more about all aspects in some detail. While this summary doesn't answer Mark's question, Phil Hill's knowledge was at such a level of refinement that I'd be very surprised if he hadn't driven all the Triumph sports cars extensively because it was clear he knew a great deal about the big saloons, their international rally car derivatives as well as the smaller and more sedate/budget priced non-sports cars. John Macartney From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 06:26:55 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:26:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen Message-ID: The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/357b2d83/attachment.htm From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Aug 29 06:42:03 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:42:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen Message-ID: Talk to Bob Williams, our Chief of Tech. He lives in Wellesboro and does motorcycle tours all over PA. I'm sure he can give you some route instructions. Wellesboro is just south of Corning and is the beginning of the Grand Canyon of the East. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/29/2008 8:27:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/3530598b/attachment.htm From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 06:50:05 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? Message-ID: <564105.3801.qm@web81007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici - ? Where will the Legends Speak take place take place downtown?? And where do I park?? And it is at 3:00 PM? ? Looking forward to getting back to the Glen.? My last visit was in 1968 to watch the Howmet (sp?) turbine cars run the Six Hour race. ? See you all downtown on Friday.? This is going to be a great weekend! ? Thumbs Up. Steve Benford Jr. ? Cell - 847-682-7718 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 08:22:46 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:22:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: FOT EXCLUSIVE: Randy Cook, well known and long time Saab Racer has rented a house and has a room available. Randy is a close friend of Ed Diehl's and will be coming to the Triumph Paddock to visit us. See particulars below from Randy. If you need a room, I wouldnt hesitate on checking this one out. Joe Alexander's Travel Service. (If someone latches onto this room let everyone know so Randy doesnt spend all of his time answering the phone....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------- Joe, Price for the room is $55 per couple per night. See you at the track. Randy Cook Cell 850-445-9299 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/aa1f988d/attachment.htm From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 08:48:37 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <403228.69590.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure - I can push a button.? We will work out the details at the track. --- On Fri, 8/29/08, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? To: sbracing at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 8:54 AM See attachment...Steve can you do the video. John Macartney has a video camera and a tripod. All you need to do ius push button. ?Thanks! ?Joe A Amici - Where will the Legends Speak take place take place downtown? ?And where do I park? ?And it is at 3:00 PM? Looking forward to getting back to the Glen. ?My last visit was in 1968 to watch the Howmet (sp?) turbine cars run the Six Hour race. See you all downtown on Friday. ?This is going to be a great weekend! Thumbs Up. Steve Benford Jr. Cell - 847-682-7718 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/1110e2b7/attachment.htm From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 08:55:53 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: Message-ID: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen. The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised - chalk it up to a communications failure among the "vintage" parties involved in the production effort, whose old Lucas wiring systems were not working at full connectivity! The shirts look great, but the Triumphs at the Glen Race artwork ended up on the front of the shirt instead of the back, there is no FOT logo on the front left (that's the screw-up) and as previously noted, there is now a black armband on the left that says "Jack Drews 1936-2008" . Ted says the shirts look terrrific - excellent color and good outwork, but we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was advertised. If anyone decides this is not what you bargained for, just let us know and we will sell it to someone else. We only ordered a few extras so they will be in short supply anyway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/ef8298ab/attachment.htm From herald948 at aol.com Fri Aug 29 09:09:15 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> References: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8CAD800563CDC93-7E0-CC@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen.? The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised....we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was advertised.... ==AM== I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 09:13:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:13:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: Scott & Ted Position of artwork is not likely a big issue, as most of us dont know whether we are coming or going. The front sounds fine to me. The substitution of "Jack Drews" on the sleeve was approved by me. I dont see that as a screw up. Is the FOT mentioned anywhere? I have not seen any advance artwork. Great job by all.....thanks for letting us know. Price reduction is appreciated, I am sure. I will buy all that is not sold. No loose ends there. Joe Alexander > For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered > shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen. > The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised - chalk > it up to a communications failure among the "vintage" parties involved in the > production effort, whose old Lucas wiring systems were not working at full > connectivity! > > The shirts look great, but the Triumphs at the Glen Race artwork ended up on > the front of the shirt instead of the back, there is no FOT logo on the > front left (that's the screw-up) and as previously noted, there is now a black > armband on the left that says "Jack Drews 1936-2008" . > > Ted says the shirts look terrrific - excellent color and good outwork, but > we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was > advertised. If anyone decides this is not what you bargained for, just let us > know and we will sell it to someone else. We only ordered a few extras so > they will be in short supply anyway. > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/c52d92aa/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 29 09:18:30 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:18:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: > I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's > already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 > difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a > charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? > Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/bfa92131/attachment.htm From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 10:18:19 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: Message-ID: I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/68dafec6/attachment-0001.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 29 10:21:11 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:21:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 08/29/2008 11:15:33 AM Central Daylight Time, s.janzen at comcast.net writes: > I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he > is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. > If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to > the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority > on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum > in question is $560. > Certainly...it should be whatever is MOST convenient to you guys who are doing all of the work. Seems if people have been over charged, they can seek a refund, or make an contribution to Uncle Jack's fund. If they are charged correctly, they will be 'whole and happy', and can still make a contribution to Uncle Jack's fund on their own should they choose to. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/0aacc76a/attachment.htm From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Aug 29 10:34:29 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:34:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: <380-220088529163429414@M2W006.mail2web.com> I vote to leave the original price at $19 and donate the overage to Uncle Jack's memorial fund. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Scott Janzen s.janzen at comcast.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 To: BillDentin at aol.com, Herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 10:42:04 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:42:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> I'm with Bill, stay with the original amount and use the extra for Uncle Jacks Fund or FOT. Gary Horstkorta From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/2dada510/attachment.htm From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 11:01:07 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: well - Ted already started running credit cards thru at $15, so we are going to leave it like that. He will have an envelope for FOT /Uncle Jack donations when you pick up the shirts if you want to make an extra donation. Sorry for the confusion! ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Horstkorta To: 'Scott Janzen' ; BillDentin at aol.com ; Herald948 at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I'm with Bill, stay with the original amount and use the extra for Uncle Jacks Fund or FOT. Gary Horstkorta From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Next is Ohio, home of those dreadful Buckeyes! But you knew that. Hope this helps. See you next week. Bill PS, top off your tanks in Ohio or PA, gas is more expensive in NY. ----- Original Message ----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. Marty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen To: OldSaabRacer at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FOT EXCLUSIVE: Randy Cook, well known and long time Saab Racer has rented a house and has a room available. Randy is a close friend of Ed Diehl's and will be coming to the Triumph Paddock to visit us. See particulars below from Randy. If you need a room, I wouldnt hesitate on checking this one out. Joe Alexander's Travel Service. (If someone latches onto this room let everyone know so Randy doesnt spend all of his time answering the phone....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/03dbe83d/attachment.htm From herald948 at aol.com Fri Aug 29 12:30:10 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CAD81C6776D384-7E0-F31@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen well - Ted already started running credit cards thru at?$15, so we are going to leave it like that.? He will have an envelope for FOT /Uncle Jack donations when you pick up the shirts if you want to make an extra donation.? Sorry?for the confusion!? ==AM== That's fine. Is there a postal address and a preferred way to make out a check for those of us who can't be there? I still want to toss that extra $4 into whatever fund.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 12:43:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:43:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Message-ID: Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/d5a1f38c/attachment.htm From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 29 12:48:26 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B8447A.20905@pobox.com> Does SVRA have reciprocity with other clubs? Some clubs will honor our annual tech with CVAR, which is noted in our log book. Does SVRA? Larry Young N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT Entrants: > > As indicated in earlier emails......Arrangements have been made to > tech the Triumphs in one location. This will save time for the > Triumphs and SVRA. The WPTA Hospitality Tent could be used > temporarily for this function. Have everything ready to tech and Bob > Williams will be a happy man. If you went to Thunderbolt you will > only need your Log Book. Joe Alexander > > See below from Jack Woerhle: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Sounds good to me. The Triumph corral will be outside the south gate >> of the garage area and they will have a tent. You might want to >> communicate with Joe Alexander on the exact location. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> SVRA Technical Director >> jwoesvra at aol.com >> 803-463-5388 >> FAX 803-794-8747 >> 701 Center Street >> West Columbia, SC 29169 >> In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:42:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ibexbob at ptd.net writes: >> >>> I am going to post a notice that anyone that went through Thunderbolt >>> TECH. need only bring their log book to TECH. to get passed through for >>> the Glen. I'll have a special time for the Trimuph people and >>> inspectors >>> to go to them since there are Forty cars in one place. >>> Thunderbolt was a very good and complete inspection with an >>> excellant crew >>> that took proper time with each inspection. >>> OK? >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/1e6d1c3e/attachment-0001.htm From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Aug 29 12:51:31 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:51:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen Message-ID: We are giving you "on-site" tech. Your CVAR or other club annual tech will help things but we still want to look over every car so there are no surprises. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/29/2008 2:49:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Does SVRA have reciprocity with other clubs? Some clubs will honor our annual tech with CVAR, which is noted in our log book. Does SVRA? Larry Young **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/71dbff50/attachment.htm From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 13:05:23 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:05:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00cc01c90a0a$31ba8d70$952fa850$@racer@comcast.net> Joe: There will be an article in the Festival program about TS1 LO along with a couple of photos. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:44 AM To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; glendagephart at htva.net; glenda at racingarchives.org; mshoemaker at theglen.com; FirstTR2 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/ce9d6ee3/attachment.htm From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 13:11:27 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "robert bownes" I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. ;-) Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/e3c61f88/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "robert bownes" Subject: [Fot] WG get together Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 Size: 644 Url: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/e3c61f88/attachment.eml From bownes at seiri.com Fri Aug 29 13:31:27 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:31:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: Indeed.... You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. 2008/8/29 > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "robert bownes" > > I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it > be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it > went to but darned if I can remember. > > > Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely > bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. > > ;-) > > Irv > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "robert bownes" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 > Subject: [Fot] WG get together > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. ;-) Irv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/bc7a8538/attachment-0001.htm From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 15:03:17 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:03:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Message-ID: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Right, something interesting I've been asked. If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I run in. Background; 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. Questions; 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other Triumphs I should consider? 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/13dafd54/attachment.htm From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 16:33:22 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Greg, We look forward to your presence in the PNW. I've had professional moved a few times. It's weird to watch some truck driver head down the road with nearly everything you own. In my case, it was my TR3 and TR8 too. Hurry up Greg. It starts to rain in a month and a half. Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fred peralta; Scott Paceley; Heather Gillett; don.clegg at carle.com; renee.potter at carle.com; barry.brehm at carle.com Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/fbf5b76e/attachment.htm From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 16:39:26 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:39:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser In-Reply-To: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07ba01c90a28$187c51e0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Irv, If I can help in any way, please let me know. I'm about an hour away form Olympia Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:56 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/7b21afac/attachment.htm From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Aug 29 16:59:17 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:59:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <99EBE6F9-8A32-4D73-BF21-6DDC85FA4275@charter.net> I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: > Indeed.... > > You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. > > Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. > > > > 2008/8/29 > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "robert bownes" > > I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. > Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob > Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. > > > Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his > lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. > > ;-) > > Irv > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "robert bownes" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 > Subject: [Fot] WG get together > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/f65228e0/attachment.htm From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 17:45:03 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Chuck Arnold In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07c801c90a31$434b8db0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Chuck, I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your mother. I also understand how you feel about The Glen. I was trying to get there also, as I will be in Connecticut Monday-Thursday of that week on business, but could not tie up all the loose ends required to go out there in time to enjoy the weekend. Please keep us informed about the time and location of the funeral. My thoughts are with you and your family. Jack Covington, WA _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:44 PM To: Friends; Triumph; TR list Subject: [Fot] B&B available at the Glen event My mother, God rest her soul, died yesterday after a short sickness but many years of pain. I will always miss her,but am glad Ruth Arnold the person has gone to be with her husband in a happier and pain free place. That being said, it was a bad time to die for me as the funeral is Saturday the 6th. I am, therefore,having to cancel my trip to the Glen. I have a B&B reserved for 4 nights [Thurs-Sun] right in downtown Watkins Glen [Blossums B&B]. I have not yet let the proprieter know. IF anyone is interested in taking over this reservation, let me know today and when I cancel I will give them your contact information. Sure am sad I am going to miss this once in a lifetime event -- it is just a fitting cap to a Triumph season that saw me build out a car, get it running real well, then have it break a rod before I could race it. See you all at the Kastner Cup next year, wherever it may be! -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/4d11c8e8/attachment-0001.htm From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 29 18:00:14 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:00:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <8CAD81C6776D384-7E0-F31@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> References: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> <8CAD81C6776D384-7E0-F31@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <20080830000003.8CDB718763D@autox.team.net> You can mail them to: Jack Drews Memorial Fund 514 N Vail Geneseo, IL 61254 - Tony Drews At 01:30 PM 8/29/2008, Andrew Mace wrote: > Is there a postal address and a preferred way to make out a check > for those of us who can't be there? I still want to toss that extra > $4 into whatever fund.... --Andy Mace From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 18:10:27 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <083020080010.3186.48B88FF30001CC1600000C722200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Jerry, Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jerry Barr I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: Indeed.... You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. 2008/8/29 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "robert bownes" I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. ;-) Irv ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "robert bownes" To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/f6c59845/attachment.htm From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 29 19:06:53 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable candidate in the baseme Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > Right, something interesting I've been asked. > > If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what > would I run in. > > Background; > > 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. > 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. > 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. > 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. > > Questions; > > 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other > Triumphs I should consider? > 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? > > Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/ff6151bb/attachment.htm From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 19:20:59 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> What is a "Special"? Thanks. A. 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster > and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race > car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable > candidate in the baseme > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > > Right, something interesting I've been asked. > If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I > run in. > > Background; > > 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. > 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. > 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. > 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. > > Questions; > > 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other > Triumphs I should consider? > 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? > > Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/0fa3346d/attachment.htm From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 29 19:25:19 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:25:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> Cars like peyote and the ambro are specials. Anything that ran in the modified class. I'd think of building an ambro triumph if I hadn't already bought ambro 001. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > What is a "Special"? > > Thanks. > > A. > > 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . > Faster and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I > wojuldnt build a race car from a production car again. Even though I > have a very suitable candidate in the baseme > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > >> Right, something interesting I've been asked. >> >> If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what >> would I run in. >> >> Background; >> >> 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. >> 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. >> 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. >> 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. >> >> Questions; >> >> 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other >> Triumphs I should consider? >> 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? >> >> Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/52eb20a2/attachment.htm From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 20:32:13 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390808291932w5b00f210s9ad0c7058c988cd8@mail.gmail.com> Sweet, but I don't think it would be allowed to run in the "Sports Car" class with VARAC, it would be slotted into the Sports car class. Example... Well like yours :) http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/DSCN2308.html http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/IMG_8999.html I knew your name was familiar, met you back in 07 at Mosport. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/DSCN2309.html Love your trailer sir... Back to the class thing, I think for a novice, the sports car class might be a easier start. A. 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Cars like peyote and the ambro are specials. Anything that ran in the > modified class. I'd think of building an ambro triumph if I hadn't already > bought ambro 001. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > > What is a "Special"? > Thanks. > > A. > > 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock < BillB at bnj.com> > >> Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster >> and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race >> car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable >> candidate in the baseme >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" < >> andre at gt6.ca> wrote: >> >> Right, something interesting I've been asked. >> If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I >> run in. >> >> Background; >> >> 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. >> 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. >> 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. >> 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. >> >> Questions; >> >> 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other >> Triumphs I should consider? >> 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? >> >> Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - >> http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/9a783fc3/attachment-0001.htm From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 21:17:51 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:17:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... In-Reply-To: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> References: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: >I've had professional moved a few times. It's weird to watch some truck driver head down the road with nearly everything you own. In my case, it was my TR3 and TR8 too. When my wife and I moved from Philadelphia to El Reno Oklahoma in the late 70s the movers wrapped and packed the dust bunnies... >Hurry up Greg. It starts to rain in a month and a half. Oh goody! I'll have plenty of time to build my slot track! Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: jibjib at att.net To: greenman62 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Fading fast... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700 Greg, We look forward to your presence in the PNW. Jack From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fred peralta; Scott Paceley; Heather Gillett; don.clegg at carle.com; renee.potter at carle.com; barry.brehm at carle.com Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... Regards L?on & family http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/b1c1f58e/attachment.htm From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Aug 29 22:26:44 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:26:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <380-220088529163429414@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Me too. Ken Gano -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:34 AM To: s.janzen at comcast.net; billdentin at aol.com; herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I vote to leave the original price at $19 and donate the overage to Uncle Jack's memorial fund. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Scott Janzen s.janzen at comcast.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 To: BillDentin at aol.com, Herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 30 05:52:46 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <0F5B2BA9.2E9ED6DF.00159EE9@cs.com> I wondered about that....now I remember. Joe & Jan We are near O'Hare collecting an OLDE ENGLISH ENGINE for use at the Glen. Yes Irv.... >Jerry, > >Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Jerry Barr >I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. > >On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: > > >Indeed.... > >You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. > >Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. > > > > >2008/8/29 > > > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: "robert bownes" > > >I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. >Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. >;-) >Irv > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: "robert bownes" >To: fot at autox.team.net >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 >Subject: [Fot] WG get together >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 07:07:43 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would indeed be me. I will be at the Glen but car will be staying home. If you happen to have seen the link of the in car video I posted last month from VTR, that was the car I was driving. If anybody lives near Bob and could snag these for me on the way to the Glen I would appreciate it. Thanks, Marty Sukey Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:02:47 -0400 From: bownes at seiri.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] WG get together I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. In any case, I found a package of documentation here that goes with it. if the new owner will be there and if someone is driving by my place I'd love to send it along. Otherwise, just an address would rock. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/eeea1abd/attachment.htm From cwn74 at aol.com Sat Aug 30 07:17:17 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:17:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Bownes archives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004a01c90aa2$baeb91f0$1342a8c0@semperon3400> If Bob is going to Lime Rock Sunday or Monday I can bring his archives to the Glen. I may or may not be there on Monday however... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He >> used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" >> on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy >> V-6 in it. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Jerry Barr >> I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from >> Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. >> >> On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: >> >> >> Indeed.... >> >> You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. >> >> Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> 2008/8/29 >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "robert bownes" >> >> >> I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. >> Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob >> Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. >> Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his >> lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. >> ;-) >> Irv >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "robert bownes" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 >> Subject: [Fot] WG get together >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure it hurt poor Bob Kamholz' feelings, as he was proud of the car, but truth be told it was scary looking (even before you turned it on), and even if it could have 'passed Tech', the VSCDA had no real place for it. Seems to me Bob also had some sort of exotic Triumph powered special as well. If I remember, it was exotic, but also needed tons of renovation and restoration. I used to see him often in the 1980s and early 1990s. I first met Bob at an autocross he was running. He was very enthusiastic, and had set the whole thing up himself. I remember him as being a very special 'Character'. Very likable. Now that they have this Reality TV, I think he and his family could be making a fortune. Hell...he could afford to go racing like he really wanted to. I miss him. Bill (Damdinger). **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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He told the scrutineer that he had wrecked the car two weeks earlier and that he had spent every day and night since the wreck repairing it so that he could run in ELVF XII. Triumph was the Featured Marque. He told the scrutineer that he had been up all night and just finished painting it that morning at 2:30 and came straight to the track. It smelled like paint. He said that he painted it orange so that WHEN he spun out, he would be easily seen and avoided. Mind you, Bob was telling the scrutineer this as reasons he SHOULD be allowed to run. The scrutineer (I like saying scrutineer) allowed Bob to run Track Touring but no race group. I ran Track Touring in The Blue TR3 and noticed the orange car off at a turn. Later I asked him what happened and he replied, "In all the last minute rushing around to get the car ready, we forgot to put gas in it!" John H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <002001c90aeb$22a46040$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Sorry to bomb the list but the email address I have stored for Russ Moore is an old one and I need to get him a message as I am "out the door" for Watkind Glen. Russ, We are headed out sometime today but it looks like we will be taking a more leisurely tour on the way up to the Glen rather than busting to get there. Thank you for the kind offer to store my car. My wife has family in the Pittsburg area and I think we will be spending time there instead. They just visited us, 3 kids in tow and I'm still worn out from that experience. I was hoping to get some quiet time but family comes first. See you at the track. Thanks again, Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/b2f7c603/attachment.htm From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Aug 30 16:25:59 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:25:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B9C8F7.90806@141.com> Bill, Bob's special was a Jamaican. You can see pictures here on our web site. http://www.141.com/triumphs/Jamaican.html Brad BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/30/2008 12:15:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > jrherrera90 at hotmail.com writes: > > >> <<< Jerry, >> >> Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used >> to have a chedder color TR3, had the words 'Eat Cheese or Die' on the >> back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. >> >> Was this car at ELVF XII in 1996 freshly painted (that morning at >> 2:30 AM) International Orange? >>> > > > Probably, but I don't believe it was never approved and/or allowed to > race at any sanctioned events. > > I am sure it hurt poor Bob Kamholz' feelings, as he was proud of the > car, but truth be told it was scary looking (even before you turned it > on), and even if it could have 'passed Tech', the VSCDA had no real > place for it. Seems to me Bob also had some sort of exotic Triumph > powered special as well. If I remember, it was exotic, but also > needed tons of renovation and restoration. > > I used to see him often in the 1980s and early 1990s. I first met Bob > at an autocross he was running. He was very enthusiastic, and had set > the whole thing up himself. I remember him as being a very special > 'Character'. Very likable. Now that they have this Reality TV, I > think he and his family could be making a fortune. Hell...he could > afford to go racing like he really wanted to. I miss him. > > Bill (Damdinger). > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 8/29/2008 6:12 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/b485ca8f/attachment.htm From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Aug 30 17:03:59 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections References: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Preiss To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Did Standard Triumph ever develop formal connections with either of the big three U.S. automakers? Steve P. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080831/730e750d/attachment-0001.htm From Herald948 at aol.com Sat Aug 30 18:06:06 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:06:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Message-ID: In a message dated 8/30/2008 7:05:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. As I recall, there also had been earlier discussions with Nash/Kelvinator, nee American Motors, about powering the Metropolitan. Of course, that ended up with BMC power and even an Austin badge in England (Nash or Hudson badge in the US). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/383522c4/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 30 18:07:29 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Message-ID: I thought I read some where that Nash (later, American Motors) was giving engines to Donald Healey, when he couldn't strike a deal with Chrysler, Ford or GM. And then, of course, American Motors later offered a little Metropolitan, which was sure Herald like in many aspects, and I think it had a British engine. Bill Dentinger In a message dated 8/30/2008 6:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/132720ec/attachment.htm From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 30 19:39:44 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Big" triumph e-mail list subscription Message-ID: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> Anyone know how to subscribe to the "Big" triumph e-mail listserve? It doesn't seem to be one of the autox.team.net lists... (subscribe triumphs returns invalid list or some such, and when I search for it, nothing looks likely). Thanks, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 30 20:10:44 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Big" triumph e-mail list subscription In-Reply-To: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> References: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20080831021034.867DD187648@autox.team.net> Got it now. Thanks Brad! - Tony At 08:39 PM 8/30/2008, Tony Drews wrote: >Anyone know how to subscribe to the "Big" triumph e-mail >listserve? It doesn't seem to be one of the autox.team.net >lists... (subscribe triumphs returns invalid list or some such, and >when I search for it, nothing looks likely). > >Thanks, Tony Drews From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Aug 30 20:17:02 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to clarify a bit: The Nash (or Hudson) Metropolitan was built by Austin at the Longbridge plant and had a BMC 4-cyl, 1500, I believe. It was also marketed in the UK and Europe.Trouble is, it wasn't a sports car or an economy sedan so it was trying to create a new market niche and never penetrated. I don't know much about the potential Standard Triumph and Nash project but it could have had a lot of similarities to British Leyland. Nash was in financial trouble all through the '50s and joining up with Hudson and Packard didn't help. By 1964, American Motors was taking a whole new direction with Rambler as it's only product name. Nash, Hudson and Packard were all gone. Think what a drain AMC might have been on Standard-Triumph's finances even before ST sale went to hell in 1961. Mike Cook From: BillDentin at aol.comDate: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:29 -0400To: standardtriumph at btinternet.com; spreiss at verizon.net; fot at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Standard connections I thought I read some where that Nash (later, American Motors) was giving engines to Donald Healey, when he couldn't strike a deal with Chrysler, Ford or GM. And then, of course, American Motors later offered a little Metropolitan, which was sure Herald like in many aspects, and I think it had a British engine. Bill Dentinger In a message dated 8/30/2008 6:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/76b6f06a/attachment.htm From jibjib at att.net Sat Aug 30 21:59:20 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:59:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections In-Reply-To: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <08bc01c90b1d$f36c7be0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Hmmm, the TR8 has a GM or GM look-alike A/C compressor and Saginaw power steering box, but I'm not sure if there was much of a connection. Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:09 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Did Standard Triumph ever develop formal connections with either of the big three U.S. automakers? Steve P. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080830/af7ac3ba/attachment.htm From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Aug 31 08:04:05 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:04:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Message-ID: In a message dated 08/30/2008 9:18:05 PM Central Daylight Time, mlcooknj at msn.com writes: > Just to clarify a bit: > > The Nash (or Hudson) Metropolitan was built by Austin at the Longbridge > plant and had a BMC 4-cyl, 1500, I believe. It was also marketed in the UK and > Europe. > Trouble is, it wasn't a sports car or an economy sedan so it was trying to > create a new market niche and never penetrated. > > I don't know much about the potential Standard Triumph and Nash project but > it could have had a lot of similarities to British Leyland. Nash was in > financial trouble all through the '50s and joining up with Hudson and Packard > didn't help. By 1964, American Motors was taking a whole new direction with > Rambler as it's only product name. Nash, Hudson and Packard were all gone. Think > what a drain AMC might have been on Standard-Triumph's finances even before ST > sale went to hell in 1961. > Mike... Yeah. With such a limp effort, it's no wonder there was no penetration. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080831/ee561d41/attachment-0001.htm From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 31 08:48:06 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... Message-ID: <589745.97860.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Time is close now, ? so here is to all of you having fun at the glen...? I'll lift a glass of London Porter to you all on Sat night, and wish I were there with you. ? Have fun, be safe, and post lots of pics, videos and tales. ? I for one would love to see in car footage from that track so I can live vicariously through all of you.? Spit stuff especially... ? Go fast. ? Be safe. ? Dont break. ? Have fun. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm ? PS.? I'll be trying to get my engine together. #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I recently crashed (May) and had to replace it I debated just going back to one of the stock racks,but after installing the stock rack and turning while on plactic baggies in the garage and a friend conviceing me useing the old bent one was not wise I begrudingly payed up for a new one. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Quick ratio steering box for a TR6 This particular TR6 is never on the street. I mostly autocross, do some hillclimbs, and in the future will be doing some course racing. I believe that the quick ratio box would be ideal for autocross and even though speeds reach 90 mph on the hillclimbs, the straights are short enough, I believe the quick box would work there too. Not sure about course racing. Whether or not it would be too twitchy. Any thoughts on any of this would be greatly appreciated. I'm getting ready to go to solid mounts for the steering so it would be the time to swap the box out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 31 21:54:17 2008 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... References: <589745.97860.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c90be6$699054e0$28524c0c@user90890nvpgh> Amici, Just this evening got the # 57 Stadel Ambro running again. Sounds like a big evil chainsaw. Thanks Uncle Jack,Ken G, and Glen Eff for all the help. Now off to the Glen. Rich Rock Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... Time is close now, so here is to all of you having fun at the glen... I'll lift a glass of London Porter to you all on Sat night, and wish I were there with you. Have fun, be safe, and post lots of pics, videos and tales. I for one would love to see in car footage from that track so I can live vicariously through all of you. Spit stuff especially... Go fast. Be safe. Dont break. Have fun. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm PS. I'll be trying to get my engine together. #4 white spitfire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080831/e4837401/attachment.htm From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 31 23:23:33 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:23:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections In-Reply-To: <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <48BB7C55.4060803@bradakis.com> American car with British engine - Nash Healey British Car with American engine - Shelby Cobra Which one do *you* want? mjb. From clifford_files at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:11:17 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <46409.5856.qm@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe / Jan, ? Joe, this very sad news reached me yesterday - my?condolences to Francis and Tony. ? I know Jack will be missed yet it seemed fitting that Jack's passing happened?doing what he loved best. ? In writing back, I am also acknowledging your personal friendship with Jack which has been a strength to both of you over the years. ? These are trying times however, I am pleased that?the Kastner Cup will be dedicated to?Jack - that is very fitting and through this, his memory shall be long lived. ? Clifford ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:45:21 AM Subject: Jack Drews FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. ?No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. ?Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. ?Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. ?While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. ?Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Home address for The Drew's Frances Drews 514 North Vail Street Geneseo, IL ??61254 Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080818/84b712cb/attachment-0001.htm From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 07:06:07 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: <601579.81112.qm@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Joe your right _ JFK is way off in the East which means transitting NY!!? Newark is far better (I will be flying in to there and then on to Buffalo.? Then it's a 2 hour driver from there - sort of south east!!!? Keith, I will pass you Dana and I's flight details later and see if it matches what your thinking of - may be we can meet up and travel there and back together (we leave on the Monday!) ? ? ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:40:15 AM Subject: Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/90d696e5/attachment-0001.htm From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 09:59:41 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! Message-ID: <15664.16203.qm@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, it's Clifford here.? I'm traveling on Continental (Newark is one of the major hubs).? I am ending up in Buffalo which is a bit of a drive to Watkins however when I checked your 3 destinations it was very expensive compared to Buffalo. However, I think you may well be right in Binghampton and may be Rochester/Syracuse as Keith would be purchasing a through ticket ex the UK which means the domestic leg will just be a little add on owing to the transatlantic fare (thats how they normally do it!).? Us guys that live in the USA tend to get ripped off if we use commuter/business route which your three choices are - I'll run a check and see what the fares are like this end as sometimes its cheaper to book here... Clifford ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Boruch To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net; clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! If driving from the airport, Newark would be best, but Keith, you may consider taking a shuttle flight from NY or Newark to Binghampton or Syracuse or Rochester. Binghampton is about an hour drive and Syracuse and Rochester about 1.5 hours. Joe(B) -- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Keep the faith......... ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Sohl To: N197TR4 at cs.com; Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:07:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. ? Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also:? cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ________________________________ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080828/9f28c62e/attachment-0001.htm From glenda at racingarchives.org Fri Aug 29 13:10:38 2008 From: glenda at racingarchives.org (Glenda Gephart) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September References: Message-ID: <001901c90a0a$ec6718a0$6901a8c0@research2> My understanding was that the car would be on display on the Court House Lawn during the Festival. Gary's story and two photos are included in the program. glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; FirstTR2 at aol.com ; mshoemaker at theglen.com ; glendagephart at htva.net ; glenda at racingarchives.org Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1641 - Release Date: 8/29/2008 7:07 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080829/bc650d3f/attachment.htm From mshoemaker at theglen.com Fri Aug 29 13:11:14 2008 From: mshoemaker at theglen.com (Shoemaker, Marianne) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E71A9409C8EF94A81F3EB76C2A0DE2603671D06@DABWINEXVS01.int.iscmotorsports.com> Hello!! I had a different understanding, based on long ago conversations... We had prepared a place of honor on the court house lawn right across from the main stage for the TS1 LO. This is where each year's car of honor is displayed... Our thinking was that it would be on display there all day during the festival and would be referred to during the part of the ceremonies that is for a tribute to Triumph. Participation in the Tour de Marque or any other of the "Rallye" events would preclude that. We had also thought that it would be on display at Thursday's PrixView Party at the track. But please let me know if we need to make other plans! Oh - the Tour de Marque is now full... we closed registration for that event some time ago, I think. Marianne Shoemaker Director of Guest and Special Services Watkins Glen International 2790 County Route 16 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 (607) 535-2486 ext. 256 Fax: (607) 535-3350 mshoemaker at theglen.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. International Speedway Corporation, 1901 West International Speedway Blvd., Daytona Beach, FL, 32114. www.iscmotorsports.com ________________________________ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:44 PM To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; FirstTR2 at aol.com; Shoemaker, Marianne; glendagephart at htva.net; glenda at racingarchives.org Subject: Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS OLDE ENGLISH PUB.... with that Limey, Gary Hunter, as Bartender. AND CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS IS THE OFFICIAL SPONSOR OF THE KASTNER CUP TROPHY RACE ON SUNDAY AT 3:00pm There are free posters for VTR members and Kas Kastner and other interesting folks will be lurking around to sign them. Posters may also be available for sale to non-VTR members for a very nominal cost. The President of VTR, Blake Discher, will be on hand. If you know anything about the Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association, (VTR) they are the Official Hosts for the Friends of Triumph and can be found in their familiar STRIPED TENT. Of course, we are HONORING JOE & DOTTIE RICHARDS and the meticulously restored TR2 TS1 LO. TS1 LO will be on display at the Grand Prix Festival in The Glen and in the Triumph Paddock. On Saturday night we will be celebrating the Life of Uncle Jack Drews. The Kastner Cup Race will be dedicated to Uncle Jack and will feature "THE MISSING MAN FORMATION" on the PACE LAP. The Kastner Cup Honorary Pace Car will be the Triumph TR2 TS1 LO, that has been purchased by Robert Parker Smith, and will become part of his private collection Hawaii. The Glen will also be the location that JOHN MACARTNEY is going officially kick off the promotion of the TransAmerica Charity Drive in the US & Canada. He will be on hand to discuss and has a powerpoint presentation. LOOK AT: There's a lot more, but that's enuff. I got to pack. See you there! Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080831/d1427fc8/attachment.htm From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 1 02:48:12 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:48:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) In-Reply-To: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> References: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> Message-ID: <4892CDCC.5030502@bradakis.com> Well, this one is somewhat closer to my budget than a few of the other cars that have made recent mention. I would really like to have that Vitesse that was recently available, but with a starting bid of $25,000 that ain't gonna happen. Then again, there are about 280 folks on the FOT list - if I charged each and every one of them say, $150 for a lifetime membership... I have been starting to think about racing again. I got burned out on it after my years of trying to keep IVR events at Wendover going, losing my job, blah blah blah. I really should set a goal of getting a car out on Miller's track as soon as possible. At least this week I got the clutch sorted out on the beater white squaretail Spit, so I can start driving that around town again. That will be nice. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 07:19:01 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:19:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> Message-ID: The Jag had a flat tire. The race were stopped per red flag. That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side to my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 An: Friends of Triumph Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox failure? Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 1 07:32:12 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:32:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I noticed he had a moment the lap before. Never seen an overdrive setup in race use before, was interesting. Looks like you have to plan your shifts a little more to take full advantage of the extra gears. Or do you opt to go into 3rd and use the od as 4th? Were you blipping the throttle between od shifts to keep the RPM up? Thanks. A. 2008/8/1 MadMarx > The Jag had a flat tire. > The race were stopped per red flag. > That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side > to > my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Andre Rousseau > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 > An: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > > That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. > > Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox > failure? > > Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi @ all, > > > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > > > Have fun with these: > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > > them all > > in the green hell and bind them. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 07:45:36 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:45:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The 3rd+OD is a little shorter than 4th so I use this combination on shorter straights. I shift up under full throttle without clutch release and on the two long straights I use 4th + OD as a 5th gear. To overcome the gap between 2nd and 3rd I use 2nd+OD and then go up to 3rd. When I start I shift through the gear using OD. On down shifts I use clutch and always blip the throttle between the gears and again when I release clutch. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 15:32 An: Friends of Triumph Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch Yeah I noticed he had a moment the lap before. Never seen an overdrive setup in race use before, was interesting. Looks like you have to plan your shifts a little more to take full advantage of the extra gears. Or do you opt to go into 3rd and use the od as 4th? Were you blipping the throttle between od shifts to keep the RPM up? Thanks. A. 2008/8/1 MadMarx > The Jag had a flat tire. > The race were stopped per red flag. > That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side > to > my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Andre Rousseau > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 > An: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > > That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. > > Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox > failure? > > Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi @ all, > > > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > > > Have fun with these: > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > > them all > > in the green hell and bind them. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 07:50:42 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:50:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? Message-ID: <507B87BE-E909-4AAC-B0DB-7D67D0DB91D1@earthlink.net> Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Aug 1 07:57:36 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? In-Reply-To: <507B87BE-E909-4AAC-B0DB-7D67D0DB91D1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's crew. It's possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father has sworn he was Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling me everything he did. So now tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? - Ed - Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 1 08:03:12 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:03:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? Message-ID: In a message dated 08/01/2008 8:58:04 AM Central Daylight Time, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes: > Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's crew. It's > possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father has sworn he was > Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling me everything he did. So now > tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? > I've had similar sensations all my life. I have a subconscious recollection of being out on an ice flow...fishing, or seal hunting (ALA Eskimo style). Always felt I may have been an Eskimo hundreds (or thousands) of years ago. I also felt, that if it is true...I hope I don't remember anything else about it. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:44:20 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel.>> I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u p using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:48:47 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:48:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) Message-ID: For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it would start working again. I finally blew one of them up. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) Return-path: From: WEmery7451 at aol.com Full-name: WEmery7451 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel.>> I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u p using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 12:43:49 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? In-Reply-To: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8A016D25-CB7D-4999-B4B4-18C305603D53@earthlink.net> Probably a good night's sleep. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:57 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's > crew. It's possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father > has sworn he was Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling > me everything he did. So now tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? > - Ed - > > Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; > Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. > Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was > ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these > little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think > perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 13:26:25 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:26:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) References: Message-ID: <003901c8f40c$7e835420$6402a8c0@HOME> I learned shifting OD from Tony Drews. He is doing very well with his OD. My knob is at the steering because I don't have to take the hands of the wheel while shifting. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) > For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it > apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it would start > working again. > > I finally blew one of them up. > ************** > Get fantasy football with free > live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Return-path: > From: WEmery7451 at aol.com > Full-name: WEmery7451 > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d > > << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the > steering wheel.>> > > I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people > said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two > speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. > > The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find > another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the > parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u > p > using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). > > I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. > ************** > Get > fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football > today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Aug 1 14:45:40 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:45:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR/NATC convention Message-ID: <489375F4.5030203@bright.net> List members, if you are attending this event, please stop by our display. We will be open Tuesday - Thursday in the hotel vendor area and Friday at the car show. Engine, suspension, brake goodies all on display along with our gear reduction starters. Tuesday afternoon I am presenting a tech session on testing, tools and performance. Wednesday morning Mike Cook and myself are doing a session on what it was like "in the day". This will be from a corporate viewpoint, dealer viewpoint and competition viewpoint. "Win on Sunday and hopefully sell on Monday!" If there is something you want me to bring, please call or email soon. If I can bring it along, you save shipping. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 1 18:21:32 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) Message-ID: <20080802002120.7F34218763E@autox.team.net> >My OD switch is in the top of my custom-made shift knob (came with >the car, no idea where to get another). > >Here's a couple of fun videos from that one. >Grattan, Aug, 2004, decent dice with Jeff Snook in a TR-3 (skip the >first 2:30 to cut to the race start, most of the action is over by >the 20 minute mark): http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyGrattan08222004web.wmv > >Road America, May, 2007, nice dice with Rick Gurolnick in a white >open top 356 (Starting from the back of the pack - this one has a >last lap pass): http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyDrewsRA05202007full.wmv > >I was running worn Hoosier Vintage TD's at Grattan, so the car was >moving around a bit - more and more as the race went on. I was >running Toyo Proxes at Road America - they're not faster, but less >prone to oversteer for me. > >- Tony D > >At 02:26 PM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >>I learned shifting OD from Tony Drews. >>He is doing very well with his OD. >> >>My knob is at the steering because I don't have to take the hands >>of the wheel >>while shifting. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:48 PM >>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) >> >> >> > For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it >> > apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it >> would start >> > working again. >> > >> > I finally blew one of them up. >> > ************** >> > Get fantasy football with free >> > live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >> > >> > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >> > Return-path: >> > From: WEmery7451 at aol.com >> > Full-name: WEmery7451 >> > Message-ID: >> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch >> > To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com >> > CC: fot at autox.team.net >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 >> > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d >> > >> > << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at >>the >> > steering wheel.>> >> > >> > I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding >> switch. Some people >> > said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two >> > speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. >> > >> > The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never >>find >> > another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the >> > parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I >>gave u >> > p >> > using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted >>Shoemaker). >> > >> > I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. >> > ************** >> > Get >> > fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy >>Football >> > today. >> > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 05:08:38 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:08:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) References: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> <4892CDCC.5030502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007a01c8f3c6$f3945d40$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) > Well, this one is somewhat closer to my budget than a few of the other cars > that have made recent mention. I would really like to have that Vitesse > that > was recently available, but with a starting bid of $25,000 that ain't gonna > happen. You and every other drooling Triumph idiot. > > Then again, there are about 280 folks on the FOT list - if I charged each > and every one of them say, $150 for a lifetime membership... You deserve it! > > I have been starting to think about racing again. I got burned out on it > after my years of trying to keep IVR events at Wendover going, losing > my job, blah blah blah. I really should set a goal of getting a car out > on Miller's track as soon as possible. At least this week I got the clutch > sorted out on the beater white squaretail Spit, so I can start driving that > around town again. That will be nice. It certainly has been rewarding for me to have a TR for the street. Tonite while sitting in my TR3 waiting for the right moment to fire it up and head home from a "First Friday", three kids came walking by and took notice. Without breaking stride the pre-adolescent girl in the group commented, "That car is cold!" Not sure of the meaning of this comment I called back to the group. "I hope that's a good thing". Her older brother replied reassuringly, "It is, very! The ride home was especially enjoyable. Steve P. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Dlhogye at aol.com Fri Aug 1 20:56:15 2008 From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:56:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend Message-ID: Hello Friends of Triumph, My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I live in Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the Cleveland, Ohio area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest recollections. The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar Cleveland where he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some great pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the subjects during a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car influence of mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and name sake and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet just a few years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I worked as a BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've collected a few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 Galaxie 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first race car to the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found the car locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was last registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought it in pretty close to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not bolted to the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was about 32 years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a rotisserie at my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly the inner support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in beautiful condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all the critical areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild many moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, including a small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, that is, according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' competition book, a factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I bought the car. The trans is non-overdrive. I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who know TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. Sincerly, Dave Hogye dlhogye@ aol.com ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 2 09:13:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:13:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen-Update of Guest List Message-ID: FOT, I am going to try to get back into the detail of planning for The Glen. Our engine is largely installed after being run on UNCLE JACK'S test stand. Broken pieces located in transmission and awaiting delivery of replacement parts. I think #197 is going to make it to the Glen. Right now I am updating the FOT GUEST LIST.....If you are coming and not running, I will want your name. And your S.O., if this applies. (I especially want your name if you are doing something to support our event) Please respond....this may be the last run I have at this. Thanks, Joe Alexander From budscars at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 10:25:27 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:25:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend References: Message-ID: <004301c8f4bc$60264950$0302a8c0@Bud> Thanks Dave..for taking the time to fill us in...If you are at the Monterey Historics look me up..I'll be with Jerry Burr, # 108 Formula 4 Legrand looking forward to meeting youi Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend > Hello Friends of Triumph, > My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I live > in > Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the Cleveland, > Ohio > area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest > recollections. > The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar Cleveland > where > he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some great > pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the subjects > during > a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car influence > of > mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and name > sake > and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet just a > few > years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I worked > as a > BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've > collected a > few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 > Galaxie > 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first race > car to > the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found the car > locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was last > registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought it in > pretty close > to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not bolted > to > the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was about > 32 > years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a > rotisserie at > my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly the > inner > support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in > beautiful > condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all the > critical > areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild many > moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, including > a > small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, that is, > according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' competition > book, a > factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I > bought the > car. The trans is non-overdrive. > I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who know > TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. > Sincerly, > Dave Hogye > dlhogye@ aol.com > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 2 10:49:48 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:49:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Please let me know if you need any reference pictures of my TR3 race car. ~Steve Belfer On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote: > Hello Friends of Triumph, > My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I > live in > Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the > Cleveland, Ohio > area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest > recollections. > The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar > Cleveland where > he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some > great > pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the > subjects during > a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car > influence of > mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and > name sake > and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet > just a few > years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I > worked as a > BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've > collected a > few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 > Galaxie > 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first > race car to > the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found > the car > locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was > last > registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought > it in pretty close > to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not > bolted to > the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was > about 32 > years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a > rotisserie at > my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly > the inner > support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in > beautiful > condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all > the critical > areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild > many > moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, > including a > small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, > that is, > according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' > competition book, a > factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I > bought the > car. The trans is non-overdrive. > I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who > know > TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. > Sincerly, > Dave Hogye > dlhogye@ aol.com > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 3 08:18:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:18:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire- Large Journal 1300 Scraper and Windage Tray Available Message-ID: FOT I have an I - J scraper and a windage tray 'work in process' and now available. Contact me if you would like to pick up this cancelled order. Thanks, Joe A From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Aug 3 11:38:29 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen apparel order Message-ID: <4895ED15.7040301@bright.net> The "drop dead" date is at hand. Production will start August 11 so orders must be in by Friday, August 8. Thanks to Scott Janzen for all his work and to all FOT members for their support of this project. Since it is a political year, remember - "order early, order often". Ted From vanlake at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 3 12:56:06 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:56:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS Message-ID: <080320081856.9732.4895FF46000747080000260422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your application? thanks Mark. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Aug 3 14:54:30 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS References: <080320081856.9732.4895FF46000747080000260422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <018b01c8f5ab$2051bea0$0602a8c0@desktop> Heavy duty gasket from Moss Motors and dry. 695-050 & 695-060 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT List (FOT)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS > Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of > exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with > the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your > application? thanks Mark. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Aug 3 16:19:35 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS In-Reply-To: <018b01c8f5ab$2051bea0$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <216567.62593.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I second this! Great gasket at a decent price...and they are reuseable many times. Also available for the TR3-4 motor. - Ed - Charly Mitchel wrote: Heavy duty gasket from Moss Motors and dry. 695-050 & 695-060 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT List (FOT)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS > Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of > exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with > the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your > application? thanks Mark. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 4 04:12:29 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:12:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on a solid axle TR4? From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 4 05:24:39 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: Henry, Are you saying you have? Anything is possible, these old crocks we run around in and race are not getting any younger you know. Plus they weren't all that stout to begin with, except when compared to MGs... Metal fatigue is a real issue, and not just for suspension and steering bits. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on a solid axle TR4? _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 06:14:04 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Henry; My TR4 had that problem and I think it came from putting in heavy oil years ago. When I rebuilt it I added gussets on the back side for more support after rewelding the bottom to the frame. My TR3 was also showing signs of pulling loose. Dean T. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame > on a solid axle TR4? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Aug 4 09:09:07 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts References: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Bolts are usually for tightening in tension. But the bolts for the rear lever shocks are different in that when the lever arm moves up or down during a bump, the shock body wants to rotate. If the bolts are not tight (in tension) then the body of the shock will rotate and the holes in the support will become oval. This could lead to weakening the support welded to the frame. I found it difficult to get a socket on the hex head because there is so little clearance beween the socket and the recessed part of the casting for the shock body. To keep mine tight, I made 4 tubes 1-1/4" long and mounted the shocks with bolts 1-1/4" longer than the original bolts. This puts the hex head further away from the shock body and because the hex head is now away from the casting, it allows me to get a big socket on the head to make sure the bolts are all really tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Henry Frye" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > Henry; > My TR4 had that problem and I think it came from putting > in heavy oil years ago. When I rebuilt it I added gussets on the back > side for more support after rewelding the bottom to the frame. My TR3 > was also showing signs of pulling loose. > > Dean T. > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > >> Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame >> on > a solid axle TR4? > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net B > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > B > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Aug 4 12:26:00 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> References: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Message-ID: <0d86109344f98374b6b8c271da575a2a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > I found it difficult to get a socket on the hex head because there is so > little clearance between the socket and the recessed part of the casting > for the shock body. I made a tool for this - I took a Snap-On socket and turned down the outer diameter until it fit on the recess. John From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Aug 4 13:03:49 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003601c8f664$d4297b70$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Henry I have seen this and its worth noting that the Works Rally TR4's had reinforcing of the rear turret in period to stop this sort of thing happening (even with the larger DAS10 mount). I run a couple of mods on BST82B which are similar, but using a DAS9 type adjustable twi nvalve shock. So far any failure ive had has been of the arm of the shock detaching or snapping, usually as a result of getting the car airborne off a decent sized jump. The turrets dont show any signs of failure after 5 years of hard work. Usually the u bolts and the restraining hoops snap and the diff ends up reshaping the rear of the parcel shelf if im being naughty .... so you hear a good whack to let you know that youve destroyed the rear end. If you want to know more about what Im running email me off list. Best regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on > a solid axle TR4? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Aug 4 13:40:21 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing References: <000101c56d48$e9c34a90$6501a8c0@purplebox> Message-ID: <00fa01c8f669$ef13f280$0302a8c0@Charly> This is an olde subject that I'm rekindling now. What is the working pressure of the PI metering unit? I seem to recall that the injectors close at about 80psi. What is the minimum needed to run them at 6000rpm's? I've got a gauge connected to my pressure line at the pump relief valve and get a drop to about 90psi @ 5000 rpm's and can't hardly see 6000 rpm's. I think this is a fuel pressure problem as I've checked timing, ignition and metering unit and that seems to be okay. I've got plenty of vacuum @ idle and can richen it up easily via the choke cable. Could this also be the maximum fuel adjustment? I'm still running a Lucas pump and I show 120 psi when idling and cold, the pressure drops a little as the fuel warms up. When I accelerate the pressure starts to drop to about 100 psi and as I get to 5000 rpm's the pressure drops to about 90 psi. Any thoughts or ideas? I'm looking at going to the Bosch pump, but I also want to make sure this is the right area to focus. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry and Cindy" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: Tr6 PI and racing > We have used Lucas PI on race cars since it was new. I have experience > with them on outright formula race cars and triumphs > > The system off a TR6 or 2.5PI is fine up to a point. The biggest problem > you will have is the pump. Lucas PI pumps were great when new, but are > now mostly stuffed. We use a bosch pump but they produce such pressure > when loaded , that they destroys the TR relief valve. We run 2 modified > Lucas valves in parallel. The other hassle is that in other than flat > out use, there is a lot of hot fuel being returned to the tank. If you > live in a hot are, you will need a fuel cooler in the line. Also, don't > be tempted to run a small tank, as the fuel gets too hot. > > The vacuum control unit is biased to "nice" road car use. For race use > find a "snail cam" arrangement and ditch the vacuum controller. These > were fitted to all the proper Lucas race systems and can still be found. > > The Lucas bung seals in the metering unit will not handle many types of > modern unleaded fuel without stuff up. Test one in a sealed jar of the > petrol you use for a few weeks > > We have not found much improvement with lengthening the intakes , but > have proven they like a very long snorkel with cold air intake feeding > the plenum box. Basically, the longer the better > > A couple of local racers have converted their system to full electronic > with a single throttle body, but none of them have ever found meaningful > power increases as far as I'm aware > > Terry From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 4 15:30:30 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Car for Sale Message-ID: <000c01c8f679$52658600$29df6c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> I have decided to sell my 1969 GT6 project. From Nevada. Rust free and straight. Has been off the road since 1977. Pedal box with Girling cylinders set up with Tilton remote bias. All of the 240Z, TR6 axle parts ready for Steve Smith to make one of his bullet-proof set-ups. Composite rear spring, drilled, lightened backing plates. Heim-jointed chrome moly strut rods. 3.23 gear. Aluminum blank dash and door panels. Re-built motor with forged pistons, etc. Stepped intake setup with three 40 DCOE Webers. Joe Alexander front and rear aluminum engine plates. Two TR6 trans., one GT6 trans., Koni shocks. Delrin front bushings. Fiberglass transmission tunnel and new stock lower valance panel from Racer Bud. Great start for a neat GT6. Located in West Virginia. John McCue From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 4 15:35:09 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE9@server.Triumph.local> No, that was not it, Don. The shock was tight in the mount. The mount just pulled off the frame. The shock is not broken, the frame seems sound in the area where the mount pulled off. It didn't burn through at all when I welded it back on, so I am thinking I'm fine. I was just wondering how common this failure was. From a couple of public and private messages I got, it's happened before, and it will surely happen again. I'll probably fabricate some gussets for both sides and weld them in when I get a chance. Just another thing to keep the watchful eye on. Cheers > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Elliott > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > > Bolts are usually for tightening in tension. But the bolts > for the rear lever shocks are different in that when the > lever arm moves up or down during a bump, the shock body > wants to rotate. If the bolts are not tight (in tension) > then the body of the shock will rotate and the holes in the > support will become oval. This could lead to weakening the > support welded to the frame. From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 4 23:24:01 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing Message-ID: <4897E3F1.8070807@cyberspeedway.net> Charly, Once you start using a lot of fuel the pump might not keep up, especially if it has some wear. Pressure is just resistance to flow so if the output flow remains constant during an increase in demand, the pressure will go down. More revs per minute need more fuel per minute. Kas' system used two pumps but I don't know if he ran both all the time. If this were a hydraulic system like I deal with every day, I would say the pump is giving up. The flow of a worn pump goes down with pressure increase because it bypasses more flow internally. The Lucas pump is a gear type and you can easily dissasemble it for inspection. Poor filtration will kill a gear pump's efficiency in a heartbeat because all the clearances are fixed. The gear pump elements of the Lucas pump are quite well made and I suspect expensive to produce back then. I think most of the Lucas pump problems were electric. I would use a modern 10 micron absolute filter on the suction side. I don't know what the original Lucas filter was rated but back then nobody paid attention to absolute filter ratings except Milspec. Try to find a filter which uses a good synthetic media for the element. Any water in a cellulose element will make it swell and or send it's guts down stream. Greg Lund From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Aug 5 08:51:08 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:51:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/08 2:35:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: << The mount just pulled off the frame. The shock is not broken, the frame seem s sound in the area where the mount pulled off. It didn't burn through at all when I welded it back on, so I am thinking I'm fine. >> I better take a look at my shock mounts. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 5 11:42:28 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner Message-ID: <003201c8f722$a189a3c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Aug 5 18:18:37 2008 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Terry & Cindy) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:18:37 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080806001836.OTXM28620.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@Terry> The metering unit & injectors will work OK down to about 100PSI at the entry to the metering unit. Terry O'Beirne, roadandtrack at bigpond.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Aug 5 20:02:43 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] long runner intake man. Message-ID: <000a01c8f768$83fd1580$6401a8c0@TER2> The 1 9/16" is a standard manifold that has been ported! It probably got too thin and that is why it cracked. Greg Solow From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 5 20:00:59 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:00:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! Message-ID: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this particular convention. So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very accommodating. The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted local VTR members that are from the area for more information. The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need restoration. What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some members. I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew that crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting another FOT member and home brewer. What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR member Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had the nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we couldn't have a place to sit for a moment to eat our dogs. It's disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table. After we left in disgust the table never did fill up. We wondered if there was some cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it personally offensive. Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting behavior when individuals act in this manner. If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph Mark I'm all for it. If I have to put up with this B%% S%%t. then I guess I'll by a Miata.. Sincerely Disgusted Glenn Franco 3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer, 1500 Spit From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Aug 5 22:04:53 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! In-Reply-To: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <20080806040454.EWUF15817.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> OTOH, if the absolute worst that went wrong for you was a table that you didn't get to use; the event must have been a resounding success! Randall - who would have gladly given up his seat for a chance to attend. From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 5 23:46:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:46:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! In-Reply-To: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> References: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <832BD3D9-30EF-4AC3-89AF-E250BECBCDD1@bnj.com> You're a kinder person than I--I would have just sat down and told him to get stuffed. Anyone that tries to reserve 14 chairs at a crowded event is a dink and shouldn't be accorded any attention. On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these > conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this > particular convention. > So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very > accommodating. > The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted > local VTR members that are from the area for more information. > > The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark > and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need > restoration. > What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some > members. > > I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went > extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew > that > crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the > triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting > another > FOT member and home brewer. > > What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR > member > Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had > the > nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty > table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we > couldn't have a place to sit for a moment to eat our dogs. It's > disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full > because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the > lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table. After we left in > disgust the table never did fill up. We wondered if there was some > cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it > personally offensive. > > Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we > should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting > behavior when individuals act in this manner. > > If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph > Mark I'm all for it. > If I have to put up with this B%% S%%t. then I guess I'll by a > Miata.. > > Sincerely Disgusted > > Glenn Franco > 3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer, 1500 Spit > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed Aug 6 11:30:40 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:30:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! Message-ID: Something similar must be going on at the Glen. I went up there to help my boy with his TR-7. We pulled in and every paddock spot was jammed full. Beside the paddock is a wide open field. We were told that we could stay there as long as we didn't work on the car -- no oil changes, tire changes, etc., etc. Fortunately, I found someone who wanted to sell his garage space, and bought it. This turned out to be a plus with light, shelter, and power. Two fan belts had ripped off of my van. Along with working on the TR-7, we were able t o finally replace the belts, with massive parts store searches. That wide open field never was used. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 6 11:49:16 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship Message-ID: check out the caption... not true, but funny! http://flickr.com/photos/nowin/2736718449/in/set-72157606568832879/ Report: The trip up was uneventful (good!). Test and TUne was uneventful - and DRY. Day one was WET -> drying. At the end of the day, I was third in my class because my last run was dirty. Otherwise I would have had a 1.8 second lead. Day two was dry but cool. I left the soft setup (no rear bar) and the car wouldn't rotate at all. I wound up more than 2 seconds in the lead with _all dirty runs_. For the weekend, 8 timed runs, 1 re-run for timing errors and 1 re-run for a red flag on course and _SEVEN_ dirty timed runs! But between the lobster bake, the HUGE surface (the courses were over 90 seconds in the dry), the BBQ and the laid-back atmosphere (first car off was "11-ish") it was a great event. I def. plan to go to this event in the future. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Aug 6 15:39:58 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:39:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Looks like the food was better than the weather.....mmmmmmm jelly donuts! Only two pics of the best car there too... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: August 6, 2008 1:49 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship check out the caption... not true, but funny! http://flickr.com/photos/nowin/2736718449/in/set-72157606568832879/ Report: The trip up was uneventful (good!). Test and TUne was uneventful - and DRY. Day one was WET -> drying. At the end of the day, I was third in my class because my last run was dirty. Otherwise I would have had a 1.8 second lead. Day two was dry but cool. I left the soft setup (no rear bar) and the car wouldn't rotate at all. I wound up more than 2 seconds in the lead with _all dirty runs_. For the weekend, 8 timed runs, 1 re-run for timing errors and 1 re-run for a red flag on course and _SEVEN_ dirty timed runs! But between the lobster bake, the HUGE surface (the courses were over 90 seconds in the dry), the BBQ and the laid-back atmosphere (first car off was "11-ish") it was a great event. I def. plan to go to this event in the future. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Aug 8 07:13:50 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:13:50 GMT Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner Message-ID: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no longer supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls are thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmedDtFQmWA4DDgsM7R13Ig2 sh1EEO6pLAzekw5WssWnNrB4/ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 8 17:05:59 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice big filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. I think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to me but I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the flatness of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle Jack's "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange skimmed on a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? Of did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port in the manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head described with drawings was really nice. Tim P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 into 1 headers? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Boruch To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no longer supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls are thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 8 23:10:51 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner In-Reply-To: <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: You make a nice little brace between the two carbs with sheet metal 1/16" plus then from the middle of the brace go down to the block at the flange of the oil pan with a brace made of a 3/8" steel tube. I made an adjustable screw at the bottom with a rubber pad on the end so that I could put just a tiny bit of compression on the tube. Worked like a charm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner >I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice >big > filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. > I > think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to me > but > I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the > flatness > of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle > Jack's > "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange skimmed > on > a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. > What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? > Of > did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port in > the > manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. > Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head > described with drawings was really nice. > > Tim > > P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 > into > 1 headers? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Boruch > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > > > It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no > longer > supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls > are > thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets > welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) > > -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have > one > that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. > engine > ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports > matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 > inch. > According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake > manifold, > which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks > welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one > I > have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head > ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part > with? > Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? > > Thanks > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Click to get a loan. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 9 08:42:47 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR manifolds Message-ID: <200808091442.m79Egqo5024438@ns3.geneseo.net> Here's a treatise on intake manifolds - more than you could possibly want to know, but it's a rainy Saturday morning and not much else to do. And please recognize that somebody else may have come up with a better mousetrap than mine. Best flow - Weber type manifold next best - properly prepped long manifold next best - properly prepped short manifold next best - stock long manifold worst - unprepared short manifold Like any tube or pipe that is conducting a gas, the highest flow is obtained if the tube converges slightly. The lowest flow occurs if the tube diverges or gets bigger at the discharge end. What this means for our intake manifolds is that if you just open up the discharge end of the manifold runner, you actually decrease flow. I worked on one engine where the head had been prepped by a drag racing guy. The head flowed the highest I had seen. Then when I put his intake manifold on and measured the flow of the whole carb / manifold / head, it flowed worse than stock. This was all because he had opened up just the discharge end of the manifold runners. The difficulty with prepping a long branch intake manifold so that the runners are straight or converge rather than diverge, is that there is not enough aluminum on the casting to allow that. In order to make the runner a consistent or slightly convergent diameter is to add aluminum to the exterior of the manifold and then do the porting. This was illegal in the olden SCCA days, but we can get away with it in vintage racing by adding the aluminum and then giving it a surface finish that looks stock, so people aren't upset by appearance. I prepare a few of these manifolds a year, reinforcing so they don't crack and porting so they flow for max horsepower. It's a time-consuming and nasty job that costs $350. Nasty because it takes a lot of time to whittle out all that aluminum. uncle jack From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 9 08:50:29 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 in Charlotte Message-ID: <200808091450.m79EoYSV027195@ns3.geneseo.net> Is anyone on the list familiar with the TR8 for sale at this website? http://automotivewarehouses.com/showcar.cgi?19811442122_62201il_249_1017992 uncle jack From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 9 10:26:58 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Contact info for Andy Konopka?? Message-ID: <000a01c8fa3c$bf158720$3d409560$@net> Anyone have Andy Konopka's new phone number. The one I have is from 4 years ago before he relocated. Russ Moore From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 9 11:46:12 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale Message-ID: Check this out: http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html ~Steve From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:07:35 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:07:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen email blast Message-ID: We are about to do an email blast to 25,000-30,000 readers. Does anyone have any more news or info for the upcoming Watkins Glen event? Looks like this is going to be a lot of fun. We are bringing our Moss sponsored pub to the event and Gary Hunter will be tending bar. Joe get with me, as we need to finalize the times on this. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:12:52 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:12:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Classic Motorsports TR3 Message-ID: Sorry I have been pretty quiet this summer. Been pretty busy moving into our new office and finishing the Sunbeam Tiger project. We had a pretty disastrous outing at VIR with our TR3 at the Gold Cup in une. Man was it hot! As I was so busy, Chuck at Abacus took the car back to Virginia Beach and is working some magic on the cooling system and drivetrain. We hope to have a good test day in a few weeks at VIR with our hopefully faster, simpler and more reliable TR3 and then on to Watkins Glen. That shoukd be interesting, as I have never run there. really looking forward to seeing everyone and thanks to those who helped as I struggled at VIR. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:24:43 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:24:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 Message-ID: Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have the car nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also picked up a 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple of doors, as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors gutted in later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the glass back in the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass back into a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent interior and underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site pretty regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done for Amelia Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both the 69 and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. Looks like Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove the car. According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was to some guy named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this history. I still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. The .pdfs I found at Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does anyone know where they all are today? See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From andre at gt6.ca Sat Aug 9 20:13:19 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:13:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <366B373F-8B67-4F3F-8A0F-9AB6F85A51B3@gt6.ca> The Dance of Triumph.... hehe About time, let me guess. Floors, sills and what not? I can't wait too see more detailed photos of the beast. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 9-Aug-08, at 6:24 PM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have > the car > nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also > picked up a > 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple > of doors, > as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors > gutted in > later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the > glass back in > the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass > back into > a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. > > I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent > interior and > underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site > pretty > regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done > for Amelia > Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. > > Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both > the 69 > and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. > Looks like > Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove > the car. > According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was > to some guy > named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this > history. I > still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. > The .pdfs I found at > Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. > > Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does > anyone > know where they all are today? > > See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From twakeman at razzolink.com Sat Aug 9 21:59:28 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? Message-ID: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these days. It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 T-bird that didn't need body work instead. The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears to be untouched and the seats seem solid. Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there & put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a race car. Any thoughts? Teriann From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 9 23:51:45 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that kind of money. Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > Check this out: > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > ~Steve ********************* _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Aug 10 01:37:47 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:37:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Nurburgring References: Message-ID: <001301c8fabb$fd04fcd0$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, I'm not sure if this is interesting for you but here are some paddock impressions I took at the Nurburgring this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lh0Vx8e-_4 Cheers Chris From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Aug 10 06:27:38 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:27:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 Message-ID: Other than a few dent, probably from off course excursions, the floors and sills are perfect. There is 100% no rust in this car. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 8/9/08 10:13:49 PM, andre at gt6.ca writes: > The Dance of Triumph.... > > hehe > > About time, let me guess. > Floors, sills and what not? > > I can't wait too see more detailed photos of the beast. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > On 9-Aug-08, at 6:24 PM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > > > Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have > > the car > > nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also > > picked up a > > 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple > > of doors, > > as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors > > gutted in > > later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the > > glass back in > > the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass > > back into > > a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. > > > > I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent > > interior and > > underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site > > pretty > > regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done > > for Amelia > > Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. > > > > Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both > > the 69 > > and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. > > Looks like > > Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove > > the car. > > According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was > > to some guy > > named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this > > history. I > > still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. > > The .pdfs I found at > > Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. > > > > Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does > > anyone > > know where they all are today? > > > > See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > > ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 17 ) From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 08:23:53 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:23:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures Message-ID: There was a guy taking a bunch of pictures of the autocross Thursday. Go to www.digiproofs.com and use guest password TRRiverside. Be sure to check out the positive camber on the black Spitfire. that must have been a handful. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 From spitlist at cox.net Sun Aug 10 10:02:20 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 9:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures In-Reply-To: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to fabricate more camber compensators. So there is little chance I will run out anytime soon. Joe C. ---- pethier at comcast.net wrote: > From: Chip19474 at aol.com > > Yep...that brings back memories of my '70 Spit Mark 3 at the TRF summer > > picnic autocross back in 1999 (or 2000 can't remember!). The inside wheel > > would > > lift high enough to come back down and chirp the tires - I was a driving > > advertisement for needing a camber compensator and "what not to do" if you're > > really serious about shaving time off of your score since precious seconds tick > > away while your car is trying to sort out its geometry dilemma:) > > > As much as we might not like to admit it, Ralph Nadar was right about this. I think a reading of the SCCA Solo rules will show that steps to correct this are not only encouraged, but required, even in Stock Category. > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L, 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, 1993 Suburban, 1994 Miata C package > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 10:19:29 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures In-Reply-To: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> References: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net> <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: FWIW, I had recently bolted one of Joe's Camber Compensators to the Spitfire I ran in Ypsilanti. Marty Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0700 From: spitlist at cox.net To: 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; Chip19474 at aol.com; Spitfun at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; trmarty at hotmail.com; pethier at comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to fabricate more camber compensators. So there is little chance I will run out anytime soon. Joe C. _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Aug 10 23:08:30 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to order? I need one that is 5ft long with female fittings at each end, 1/8th inch BSP with flat contact surfaces. I must replace he plastic/nylon hose as supplied by Smiths for their oil pressure gauge. The ones sold by the mini specialist would fit, but they are only 4ft long. Many Thanks Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Aug 11 07:18:41 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:18:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moldex for Spitty Message-ID: There's a small journal Spitty Moldex on Ebay. Item number 120292724742 Now where's the one for GT6? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From bswope959 at msn.com Mon Aug 11 11:02:22 2008 From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge References: Message-ID: Try Joe Levine Alanta 404-219-0594 Wm. (Bill) Swope dba C ME GO Racing 1030 Green Valley Rd. NW Los Ranchos, N M 87107 bswope959 at msn.com (505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180 ----- Original Message ----- From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to order? I need one that is 5ft long with female fittings at each end, 1/8th inch BSP with flat contact surfaces. I must replace he plastic/nylon hose as supplied by Smiths for their oil pressure gauge. The ones sold by the mini specialist would fit, but they are only 4ft long. Many Thanks Leon http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963> _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 11 11:35:42 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weeping BSP Fitting Message-ID: Hi, I have one of the Mocal oil cooler setups... all the fittings are BSP. One line going into the cooler weeps a bit and after 5 or 6 min. of WOT I get a couple of drips under the car. I know that there are washers for AN fittings to fix mangled AN nipples, is there something similar for BSP? I haven't looked in the Pegasus catalog yet... Just curious. I'd like to replace everything with AN. But not right now. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Aug 11 11:46:49 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to > order? Buy the hose and fittings from a supplier like Ted Schumacher or Pegasus and make them up yourself. Its not as if its hard to do. Pegasus even has instructions on their website. John From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Tue Aug 12 08:10:35 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale References: Message-ID: <002f01c8fc85$30ac3060$0300a8c0@Desktop> So add it to your collection ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > >> Check this out: >> >> http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html >> >> >> ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 10:12:38 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 Race Cars Message-ID: <001f01c8fc96$3df01fa0$1502a8c0@Belkin> I am just forwarding this... m ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:22 AM Subject: TR4 Race Cars > FOT: > Do you have a classified section? > I am looking for a TR4 vintage race car. > What is available? > Cheers, > Pat McGinnis > pat at primevacuum.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Aug 12 15:24:48 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Darth Vadir, Your car is not a Chevy Impala its a TR6 Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > > > Check this out: > > > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > > > > ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 12 15:59:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:59:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Aug 12 16:34:39 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:34:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <200808121634192.SM07164@[166.70.182.40]> Bob, We've got room here in Jefferson Arkansas to store your car and trailer.......B B :) -----Original Message----- From: "Kramer, Robert" Sent 8/12/2008 3:59:27 PM To: "FOT List" Subject: [Fot] Watkins GlenI can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 18:54:22 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: Message-ID: <004101c8fcdf$24af3d70$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; I just talked to a friend of mine, Matt Bernard of Endicott, NY (607 725-9612) who does SCCA and crews for his uncle in Vintage events. His uncle is Vic Franzese, who owns the Glen Motor Inn and drives his original McLaren M12. Call Vic at the Inn, 607 535-2706 and explain your situation. He has a fenced in area (actually a tennis court) behind the Inn and often has cars and trailers parked there. Vic's a great guy and keeps a sharp eye on the cars parked there. The Inn is probably booked for the weekend, but may have vacancies early in the week if needed. Tell him I referred you and he can probably help you out. I met him in 1970 when I crewed (sp?) for Oscar, but that's a whole other story! Good luck. Bill Tobin TR6 Erie, PA ---- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen > I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed > me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on > Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the > car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to > store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 19:15:23 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: Message-ID: <004601c8fce2$115d8850$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; if you happen to be passing through Erie on the way to the Glen and have some spare time, stop and look around. We have some interesting things to do in the area, including a great state park. If coming from the west on I90, the easiest way to get to the Glen is Interstate 86, the old Southern Tier Expressway or Rt 17. Get off in Corning, go north on Rt 414, turn left at the red light and you're there. Gas is cheaper in Ohio than PA; NY is much more expensive. An exception is the Indian Reservation at Salamanca; they're less than normal NY prices. also cheaper tobacco products. Give me a call if I can be of assistance. Bill Tobin Erie, Pa TR6 814 868-8629 or 814 398-2908 at my farm----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen > I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed > me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on > Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the > car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to > store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 12 19:41:23 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <000f01c8fce5$b191c590$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Kas, Thanks for the info on the brace. We'll make one up and install it. Simple and effective. "Elegant" as the engineers would say. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Tim Murphy" ; "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > You make a nice little brace between the two carbs with sheet metal 1/16" > plus then from the middle of the brace go down to the block at the flange > of the oil pan with a brace made of a 3/8" steel tube. I made an > adjustable screw at the bottom with a rubber pad on the end so that I > could put just a tiny bit of compression on the tube. Worked like a > charm. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: "Joe Boruch" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > > >>I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice >>big >> filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. >> I >> think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to >> me but >> I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the >> flatness >> of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle >> Jack's >> "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange >> skimmed on >> a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. >> What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? >> Of >> did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port >> in the >> manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. >> Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head >> described with drawings was really nice. >> >> Tim >> >> P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 >> into >> 1 headers? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joe Boruch >> To: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner >> >> >> It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no >> longer >> supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the >> walls are >> thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets >> welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) >> >> -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: >> Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have >> one >> that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. >> engine >> ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 >> ports >> matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 >> inch. >> According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake >> manifold, >> which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the >> cracks >> welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one >> I >> have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the >> head >> ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part >> with? >> Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? >> >> Thanks >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Need cash? Click to get a loan. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 23:18:52 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:18:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: I do not think you email was meant for me. Shane From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: hottr6 at hotmail.com CC: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:48 +0000 Darth Vadir, Your car is not a Chevy Impala its a TR6 Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > > > Check this out: > > > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > > > > ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 13 11:20:21 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry Message-ID: Hi, I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found cracks in both rear trailing arms. I guess I need to deal with this: http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I was installing the bushings. Yikes. Opinions? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Aug 13 12:49:08 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR seat adapter kit Message-ID: <200808131849.m7DIn9pg359195@ns3.geneseo.net> For everybody who ordered a kit for adapting Miata seats to the TR -- they shipped today! Thanks for being patient while the shops completed the orders. For anybody who wants a kit, if you're going to be at Watkins Glen, I can deliver to you there and you will save the shipping cost. uncle jack From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 15:48:48 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:48:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry References: Message-ID: <007401c8fd8e$5eb89e80$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, I'll trade you a pair of trailing arms for your finned drums! Seriously, I have some spare arms if you need them. Will you be at Watkins Glen? Keep me posted. Bill Tobin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry > Hi, > > I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found > cracks in both rear trailing arms. > > I guess I need to deal with this: > > http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg > > I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the > trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that > crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I > was installing the bushings. Yikes. > > Opinions? > > regards, > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 13 21:05:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:05:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? In-Reply-To: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> References: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't consider anything over $1000. The description is essentially that of a parts car with no assurances as to what is missing. You said "little rust" but you also indicated floor pans need to be replaced...why? Cheers, Bill Sohl just back from VTR 08 via Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? > There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner > is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located > in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue > it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these > days. > > It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who > brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who > decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he > didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 > T-bird that didn't need body work instead. > > The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at > least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer > sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface > rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been > fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box > without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory > hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. > > There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet > kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are > loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the > car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears > to be untouched and the seats seem solid. > > Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? > I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to > better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there > & put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a > reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a > race car. > > Any thoughts? > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Aug 14 00:50:19 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 Message-ID: <001001c8fdda$04885300$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I'm looking for a source for an exhaust header for our 1961 TR4 vintage racer. We have a 4-into-1 now but the flanges are very thin and the tubes aren't that thick either. It appears to be warping badly and is a pain to fit up with the intake manifold thickness. The head is the late TR4, TR4A head with the flat above the #1 intake and exhaust ports, if that makes any difference. As a last resort I could make new flanges out of the appropriate thickness and weld the old pipes in but I'd rather replace the whole thing if I can find one that will work and is fairly "reasonable". Thanks in advance. Tim From henry at henryfrye.com Thu Aug 14 05:14:39 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 In-Reply-To: <001001c8fdda$04885300$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C20@server.Triumph.local> Define "reasonable". The header most of us run was sourced from Ken Gillanders and I call it pricy! Good stuff, though. You will never be sorry when you pay for quality the first time... However, the last guy I know that ordered one said Ken is now supplying a different one. I understand it has smaller tubes. Has anyone used that one yet? Any dyno data available? Ken??? It is common on headers for the flange thickness to be different from the intake manifold. Just use a little creative engineering with your fasteners. It will be fine. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy > Sent: August 14, 2008 2:50 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 > > I'm looking for a source for an exhaust header for our 1961 > TR4 vintage racer. > We have a 4-into-1 now but the flanges are very thin and the > tubes aren't that thick either. It appears to be warping > badly and is a pain to fit up with the intake manifold > thickness. The head is the late TR4, TR4A head with the flat > above the #1 intake and exhaust ports, if that makes any > difference. As a last resort I could make new flanges out of > the appropriate thickness and weld the old pipes in but I'd > rather replace the whole thing if I can find one that will > work and is fairly "reasonable". Thanks in advance. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Aug 14 07:22:20 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:22:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Clutch Release Message-ID: <32DE40FDEF6C4256A0B4131227A4C47F@GEOFFPC> FOT Has anyone had experience with using a Powertrain Hydramax clutch release on the TR gearbox . Does it go straight on and are their any special fitting tricks Thanks Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 08:51:35 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 block & liner Measurments Message-ID: <9221160.18334681218725495760.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Does anyone know what a block should measure from the top head surface to the shoulder where the liner sits? I am trying to determine if a block has been decked or not and don't have another block apart to measure. Also what should a new liner measure from the top to the shoulder where it sits in the block? Thanks Dean T. From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Aug 14 10:21:40 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:21:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at Roebling Road 9/5/08 - 9/7/08 Message-ID: Those of you not towing to the Glen are invited to visit the Triumph Ghetto which will be set up at Roebling Road for the VDCA/SCCA race weekend. If you have not attended this event, you'll find a low key affair with tons of track time on recently resurfaced layout. Friday's test day, with 7 sessions last year, is low-cost and paid for at the track. The Saturday/Sunday races feature two VDCA groups - large and small bore - so you get to race with a broad variety of cars. The entry fee is $200 if paid by 8/29/08. Triumph racers are invited to an exclusive gathering at the Triumph Ghetto immediately after Friday's test session. It will feature our famously fantastic cookout and the tallest tales of racing lust that you will ever hear. So get online and get that entry moving. Let me know if you are coming so we can fire up the grill! _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 10:30:32 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:30:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at Roebling Road 9/5/08 - 9/7/08 Message-ID: Leo, Dean, & Don, So many Triumphs, so many Tracks, so little Time. We will sincerely miss you guys at the Glen, but understand. Let us know how it goes........ Best Regards, Joe A > Those of you not towing to the Glen are invited to visit the Triumph > Ghetto > which will be set up at Roebling Road for the VDCA/SCCA race weekend. If > you > have not attended this event, you'll find a low key affair with tons of > track > time on recently resurfaced layout. > > Friday's test day, with 7 sessions last year, is low-cost and paid for at > the track. The Saturday/Sunday races feature two VDCA groups - large and > small > bore - so you get to race with a broad variety of cars. The entry fee is > $200 > if paid by 8/29/08. > > Triumph racers are invited to an exclusive gathering at the Triumph Ghetto > immediately after Friday's test session. It will feature our famously > fantastic cookout and the tallest tales of racing lust that you will ever > hear. So > get online and get that entry moving. Let me know if you are coming so we > can > fire up the grill! > > _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) > > Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall > > From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:06:01 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:06:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:58:15 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <00a401c8fe50$79d414c0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Jim...the electric fan is placed in front of the radiator in my race car Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Thu Aug 14 15:04:37 2008 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the annual VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from the area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut it out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. There is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be to keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! Dan Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 ----- Original Message ---- From: jim hearn To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 15:15:26 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 by a very experienced tr3 guy Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Daniel Cronin" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > annual > VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from > the > area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut > it > out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > There > is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be > to > keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > Dan > > Planning & > Development Services > A. Daniel Cronin > 248 761-2673 > > > > ----- Original Message > ---- > From: jim hearn > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: > Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > and motor > > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > [demime 1.01d removed an > attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 14 15:22:16 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, jim hearn wrote: > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, It's a tube... you can cut the cross section to make clearance and then weld in a piece to box it and you won't loose any strength. Note that the piece supports the shock towers (and to some extend it triangulates the engine opening in the frame. IMHO, the piece is way over designed. So you should be able to modify with no problems as long as you leave more than half the diameter of the tube. Round is stronger than square... rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 14 15:26:57 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: Joe Alexander had a customer brace on his car at Road America last year, a test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed piece like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should chime in any time now..... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:15 PM To: A Daniel Cronin; jim hearn; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 by a very experienced tr3 guy Racer Bud > 248 761-2673 From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 14 15:37:12 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about side impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing hanging on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening that tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 > by > a very experienced tr3 guy > > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > To: "jim hearn" ; > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the >> annual >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from >> the >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut >> it >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. >> There >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be >> to >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! >> Dan >> >> Planning & >> Development Services >> A. Daniel Cronin >> 248 761-2673 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message >> ---- >> From: jim hearn >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator >> and motor >> >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front >> of the >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch >> of >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Aug 14 16:56:42 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Message-ID: Now that sounds like a trick that might have proven useful in a 'stock' class :) On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about > side > impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension > goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing hanging > on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening that > tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" > ; > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' > in > > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 > > by > > a very experienced tr3 guy > > > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > > To: "jim hearn" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > >> annual > >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed > from > >> the > >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut > >> it > >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > >> There > >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to > be > >> to > >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > >> Dan > >> > >> Planning & > >> Development Services > >> A. Daniel Cronin > >> 248 761-2673 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message > >> ---- > >> From: jim hearn > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Sent: > >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > >> and motor > >> > >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > >> of the > >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > >> of > >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > >> > >> [demime 1.01d removed an > >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:05:58 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:05:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808141605w32fb86f5ja1c5d78dbdd03674@mail.gmail.com> I think the easiest solutionis to get a fan that fits in the space. Mine does. I did once modify the bar in the opposite direction to allow room for my crank fired ignition and cog drive fan belt that with underdrive putty. Cut the tube and then eeled on another tube farther out from the original.. The fan then went to the front. On 8/14/08, robert bownes wrote: > > Now that sounds like a trick that might have proven useful in a 'stock' > class :) > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about > > side > > impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension > > goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing > hanging > > on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening > that > > tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your > life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RACER BUD" > > To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" > > ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > > >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' > > in > > > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to > TR3-4 > > > by > > > a very experienced tr3 guy > > > > > > Racer Bud > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > > > To: "jim hearn" ; > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > > > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > > >> annual > > >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed > > from > > >> the > > >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He > cut > > >> it > > >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > > >> There > > >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to > > be > > >> to > > >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > > >> Dan > > >> > > >> Planning & > > >> Development Services > > >> A. Daniel Cronin > > >> 248 761-2673 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message > > >> ---- > > >> From: jim hearn > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > > >> Sent: > > >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > > >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > > >> and motor > > >> > > >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > > >> of the > > >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > > >> of > > >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > >> > > >> [demime 1.01d removed an > > >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of > winmail.dat] > > >> Fot mailing list > > >> Fot at autox.team.net > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> > > >> Fot mailing list > > >> Fot at autox.team.net > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:49:06 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Jim Hearn asked: > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. I use a PermaCool 16" fan (part #771-19126 from Jegs). No clearance problems. I see no reason why Bob Lang's suggestion of cutting a notch in the x-brace and boxing it will not work, except that it will be a ton of work to prevent the brace from warping during welding. Shane Ingate, back in NM. _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLY IA_whichathlete_us From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 18:00:51 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper Message-ID: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 18:56:59 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Rob I just played this game with my Spitfire last weekend. We finally got the bugs worked out of the new motor/gearbox/clutch combo and were able to run 6 consecutive sessions with no problems. In addition to the IJ crank scraper, I'm also running a 1 1/2 qt. Moroso accumulator, 13 row oil cooler and a HP-1 filter. I filled the cooler and filter with oil before attaching the hoses, and then added oil to the normal fill line on the dip stick. After warming the engine, I opened the valve to the accumulator and let it fill. Then, I added oil back to the normal line on the dipstick and went to the track. It's difficult to do (at least where my oil pressure gauge is mounted), but you need to watch the oil pressure gauge in the turns. Normal oil pressure in my car is 70-80 psi. I found it was dropping to 40 in the left hand turns, which meant that the suction tube was sucking air and the accumulator was providing the oil pressure. I added a half quart and the problem went away except for one turn. Coming off the back straight at Portland, you brake from top speed for a left-right sequence. I noted that after hard braking and sending the oil to the front of the pan, and then turning left, the gauge was still dropping to 40 psi. Added another 1/2 quart and the pressure stays at 70-80 all the time. Luckily, the field of cars was small, so I had plenty of safe time to look at gauges where I normally never would. In discussing this with the engine builder, he told me not to worry if the dipstick shows overfull in the pits since there is so much oil flying around in the engine at speed. What you need to do is to establish a new fill mark on the dipstick. During all of this, I had no oil coming out of the breathers, so I don't believe I overfilled at all, even though I've now got 6+ quarts in the Spit. Over the winter, we'll look at some improved baffles for the oil pan. Hope this helps. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:01 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] crank scraper The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 19:49:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:49:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 20:10:30 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:10:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. Message-ID: This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we have guests flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 STEVE GROH SPITFIRE ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE JOE BAROUCH TR3 DICK STOCKTON TR4 JACK DREWS TR4 TONY DREWS TR4 KEITH FILES TR4 JEFF SNOOK TR3 PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 ROBERT DEANES TR4 TIM SUDDARD TR3 BILL TOBIN TR6 BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 BOB STADEL AMBRO BOB KRAMER TR4 RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 BILL DENTINGER TORNADO BOB WISMER TR4 HENRY FRYE TR4 BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE BILL HART DEVIN DENNIS DELAP TR4 JOHN JAMES TR4 TONY GARMEY TR250K GREG HILYER TR4 BUD BABCOCK TR3 FRED HODGSON unconfirmed ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE From andre at gt6.ca Thu Aug 14 20:12:03 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:12:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C7D408D-5829-4A98-BF2A-506FF898917E@gt6.ca> Not a racer, but my GT6 will be there. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 14-Aug-08, at 10:10 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their > schedules.................we have guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with > us. The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Aug 14 20:31:50 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <706726.32577.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Thu Aug 14 21:32:25 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:32:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys two years ago! ? Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Spitfire Racer Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we have guests flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 STEVE GROH SPITFIRE ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE JOE BAROUCH TR3 DICK STOCKTON TR4 JACK DREWS TR4 TONY DREWS TR4 KEITH FILES TR4 JEFF SNOOK TR3 PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 ROBERT DEANES TR4 TIM SUDDARD TR3 BILL TOBIN TR6 BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 BOB STADEL AMBRO BOB KRAMER TR4 RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 BILL DENTINGER TORNADO BOB WISMER TR4 HENRY FRYE TR4 BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE BILL HART DEVIN DENNIS DELAP TR4 JOHN JAMES TR4 TONY GARMEY TR250K GREG HILYER TR4 BUD BABCOCK TR3 FRED HODGSON unconfirmed ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 22:53:24 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8fe92$d9da1e90$b1191718@computer> Would you mind sharing a photo of it? It sounds interesting. -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:50 PM To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed piece like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should chime in any time now..... I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:59:24 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808142159w381f0ac0w39006647dd9eecf3@mail.gmail.com> Fortunately the West Coast is not all void. Bill Hart is hauling the trailer. He is running a TR powered Devin. His rig is bringing Tony Garmey with the TR250 [What a treat that car is, if you have never seen or experienced it,you will curse Triumph for there only being one! What a great machine Kas and co came up with on short notice], and John James with his meticulously prepared TR4. Bill Babcock looks to bringing Peyote, and if it is not working, his Ambro #1 sure is. All are from Seattle/Portland. Alas my TR6 is still in development, as is the driver. Someday I will race with you all. I will be at the Glen, Snapon battery powered torque wrench at the ready to help anyone in need. Sure would like to bum a ride from one of you racersfor the tour through town and track on Friday. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, wrote: > A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't > make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys two > years ago! > ? > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire Racer > Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. > > > > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we > have > guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Aug 14 23:23:49 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:23:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper Message-ID: if you think about it you don't really change the oil level, only the volume. A little extra oil doesn't hurt and might help. The relation of the dip stick to the oil pump, crank block doesn't change when you lower the pan. I use a cast aluminum pan, spin on filter adapter, scraper and oil cooler and I take about 7 qts. oil. I haven't changed any markings on the dipstick. The added oil will help cooling the motor and probably help with oil surge problems Off to Mission BC for the VRCBC Historic races. http://www.vrcbc.ca/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>, Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Aug 15 07:06:26 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I may be off base on this topic because I have no data to support what I have been doing, but I run about a quart low on the dipstick with a 3 quart accumulator attached to the main oil galley. I watch the oil gauge and have not seen it bouncing around. The idea is to keep oil off the crank and I do have one of the Uncle Jack crank scrapers to push the oil back in the pan. Is anyone else running lower oil levels like this? I would probably be better off with one of those fancy crank scrapers and a full oil pan. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:24 AM To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper if you think about it you don't really change the oil level, only the volume. A little extra oil doesn't hurt and might help. The relation of the dip stick to the oil pump, crank block doesn't change when you lower the pan. I use a cast aluminum pan, spin on filter adapter, scraper and oil cooler and I take about 7 qts. oil. I haven't changed any markings on the dipstick. The added oil will help cooling the motor and probably help with oil surge problems Off to Mission BC for the VRCBC Historic races. http://www.vrcbc.ca/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>, Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 08:44:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:44:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen-The Legends Speak in the Village Message-ID: FOT For those who can be in the village by 3:00PM on Friday, the FoT will be represented by four Triumph guys from the 50s and 60s. There is an open forum featured every year known as the Legends Speak, in Lafayette Park. Committee Chair: Lew Durland Kas Kastner - no introduction needed. Ed Diehl- Drove for Kastner 12 Hours of Sebring in 1963 John Macartney- Triumph Factory Manager and Author. And much more Roberts Johns- Drove for the Triumph Factory in the 50s and then dropped out of sight. He is back! He co-drove the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957 with the late Mike Rothschild. Of course they will be will be with us for the duration of the weekend at the track and in our Triumph Hospitality Tent in the Paddock. check http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ for details Be there to support them, if you can. Joe Alexander From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 15 10:16:41 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5ABE9.2030909@pobox.com> Joe, How much camber adjustment have you gotten with this setup? If I'm looking at this right, for each degree camber change you'd have to move the top of the tower in by (pi/180)*(length of tower). I haven't measured the length from crossbar to the bottom of the tower, but let's say it's 10 inches. That works out to 0.17 inch for one degree of camber change. That seems doable, but to go from stock camber of -2 degree to +2 degree would require about 0.7 inches. This is for each side, so the cross piece would have to be shortened by 1.4 inches. This seems like a long way to bend those towers. Larry Young > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 15 11:49:44 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow you to pull on the right and left tower independently? Dennis N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 12:03:55 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment" ... well that much I agree with...! Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 15 12:18:58 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in a TR 3-4 frame do you? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last > year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom > designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He > should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like > it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one > time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 12:50:42 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> References: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CACD1EF36DB2B0-8B0-A53@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Yes Kas I can appreciate the rules limitations back in "the day", and no doubt that bending the chassis can and will change camber, but I just can't see any good reason to do that today, especially on a later TR with adjustable camber. Just my opinion of course... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: N197TR4 at cs.com; RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fubog1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in a TR 3-4 frame do you? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last > year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom > designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He > should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like > it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one > time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 13:54:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:54:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Dennis, No it doesnt. When you install the OEM part there is no independent push or pull, the theoretical equal amount of resistence on each side. My camber was set from 1.75-2.0 degrees before I installed the adjustable support. I only see it as a way to fine tune the camber, if I choose to do so. Thanks, Joe > Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow you to > pull on the right and left tower independently? > > Dennis > From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:06:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:06:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Exactly, Glen. Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. This would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not install this solely to use in adjusting camber. Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top of the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully in the past by sectioning the tube to shorten. Regards, Joe > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:18:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:18:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/2008 1:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it > worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in > a TR 3-4 frame do you? > Thanks Kas....while no pretense as a chassis expert, I have a background in welding and weld fixtures on rollover protection systems and chassis. The TR chassis is primitive, of course, and it wouldnt surprise me if Ken Richardson didnt add this tube as alternative design to the original after the initial testing. Reports are that Ken indicated that the original chassis was a flexible disaster. Back to work on my carbureters....Joe From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 15 14:27:55 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Exactly, Glen. > > Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. > This > would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not > install > this solely to use in adjusting camber. > > Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top > of > the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. > > My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, > methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully > in the > past by sectioning the tube to shorten. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > > >> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber >> adjustment" >> >> ... well that much I agree with...! >> >> Glen >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:40:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:40:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Kas, Aw go ahead and give us your four paragraphs. There is always some danger that we might learn something. I am all ears, even tho there is limited content between them. Joe A > I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its > value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is > going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get > to it. > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 15 14:47:57 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:47:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> References: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> Message-ID: I could imagine that it is advisable to make a cut under the tower in that traverse. If the tube between the towers is shortened than this cut can open up and taken stress from the front part of the frame. When the bending has taken place then reweld that cut together. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Kas Kastner Gesendet: Freitag, 15. August 2008 22:28 An: N197TR4 at cs.com; Fubog1 at aol.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net; RKramer at rdoequipment.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Exactly, Glen. > > Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. > This > would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not > install > this solely to use in adjusting camber. > > Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top > of > the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. > > My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, > methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully > in the > past by sectioning the tube to shorten. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > > >> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber >> adjustment" >> >> ... well that much I agree with...! >> >> Glen >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 16:57:39 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video Message-ID: http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho o_082008 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 15 17:02:37 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: Message-ID: <005b01c8ff2b$033e24a0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Good answer, Joe. I, especially, am always open to learn more!! I figure when I stop learning, they'll be planting me. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Kas, > > Aw go ahead and give us your four paragraphs. There is always some > danger > that we might learn something. > > I am all ears, even tho there is limited content between them. > > Joe A > > >> I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and >> its >> value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is >> going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so >> get >> to it. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 15 17:20:24 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390808151620s1035a942web3ddfc24e4bc708@mail.gmail.com> Nice run. A. 2008/8/15 marty sukey > http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk > > Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in > Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. > > http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho > o_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 15 17:54:10 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:54:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. References: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8ff32$37a46ef0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> We have a track in North Texas, Eagles Canyon. Someday it may be a good choice to try and mix the east and west coasters again. It's longer then Hallet but definitely a small bore track. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. >A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't >make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys >two years ago! > ? > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire Racer > Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. > > > > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we > have > guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. > The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Fri Aug 15 19:08:39 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Creative camber adjustment Message-ID: <48A62897.4060808@cyberspeedway.net> Group, Back in the '80s I knew several Showroom Stock constructors who needed more negative camber from their pos Macpherson Strut front suspensions. Of course no mods were allowed. The solution was to pick up the front end with an overhead hoist and drop the car from ever increasing heights until enough negative camber was acheived. It was just barely legal if the manufacturer didn't publish a negative camber limit but that is how national championships are won. Greg From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Aug 15 19:36:24 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Makin' it look easy...I might have needed a road map. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: August 15, 2008 6:58 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yah o o_082008 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 10:03:20 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:03:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Creative camber adjustment Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/08 6:10:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gtlund at cyberspeedway.net writes: << Of course no mods were allowed. The solution was to pick up the front end with an overhead hoist and drop the car from ever increasing heights until en ough negative camber was achieved >> I never did any real scientific moves with my negative camber. In my earlier years, I used Lee Mueller springs with the spacers taken out and cut upper control arms on my TR-3. After accumulating what was left of Donna Mae Mims TR-3, I took apart the front suspension and found short springs with the spacer s still installed. I installed them on my car with uncut upper control arms, and got approximately the right negative camber. Someone told me that this was one of the first cars set up by Group 44, when they were working in a one stall lean-to in Falls Church, VA. I wonder if they did some trick maneuver, or did just lowering the car do the job. If anyo ne has any contacts with ex-Group 44 members, maybe he can ask them. Donna Mae also told me that she upset the car once, and the Group 44 roll bar collapsed on her. I saw her this summer working grid at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030 000000007 ) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 11:24:40 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> Lots of ways to adjust camber on a TR3/4/5/6, this is certainly a good one. It would be best to anchor the bar in the middle so you could adjust each tower separately, but what the heck. The bar is absolutely necessary if you want your car to handle well, otherwise it will have variable camber as the towers bend in and out. Not good. On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow > you to pull on the right and left tower independently? > > Dennis > > > N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last >> year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom >> designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He >> should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I > like it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a > one time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:19:31 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: 40 PSI should be fine for short periods, especially if the car is nowhere close to redline. 10 pounds per thousand RPM used to be the standard, but better oils have made that less important. It's the ZERO oil pressure you get with no accumulator that zaps you. I also like to run the accumulator right into the oil gallery, where the accumulator pressure is probably the same as full RPM oil pump pressure after all the drops. On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > I noted that after hard > braking and sending the oil to the front of the pan, and then > turning left, > the gauge was still dropping to 40 psi. Added another 1/2 quart and > the > pressure stays at 70-80 all the time. > > Luckily, the field of cars was small, so I had plenty of safe time > to look > at gauges where I normally never would. In discussing this with the > engine > builder, he told me not to worry if the dipstick shows overfull in > the pits > since there is so much oil flying around in the engine at speed. > What you > need to do is to establish a new fill mark on the dipstick. During > all of > this, I had no oil coming out of the breathers, so I don't believe I > overfilled at all, even though I've now got 6+ quarts in the Spit. > Over the > winter, we'll look at some improved baffles for the oil pan. > > Hope this helps. > > Jim Norlin From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:22:42 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I run the oil level at the bottom of the dipstick with a two quart accumulator. No engine problems in years, every since I started running an accumulator on the oil gallery. On Aug 15, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I may be off base on this topic because I have no data to support > what I have > been doing, but I run about a quart low on the dipstick with a 3 quart > accumulator attached to the main oil galley. I watch the oil gauge > and have > not seen it bouncing around. The idea is to keep oil off the crank > and I do > have one of the Uncle Jack crank scrapers to push the oil back in > the pan. Is > anyone else running lower oil levels like this? I would probably be > better off > with one of those fancy crank scrapers and a full oil pan. > > -- From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:29:08 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:29:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> References: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> Message-ID: I'll tell you, there's no rigidity of any type anywhere. The Ambro #1 lacks the "roll cage" bars from the hoop to the rear spring mount that Peyote has. The front bracing is similar to Peyote. When I jack a front wheel the other front wheel comes off the ground immediately. When I jack a back corner, only that corner rises. The rest hardly lift on the springs. If I jack a rear corner on Peyote the unjacked rear wheel comes off the ground about one jack stroke after the jacked side, and the front wheel on the jacked side comes off the ground a couple of pumps later. On Aug 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes > it > worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional > rigidity in > a TR 3-4 frame do you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 16 12:40:54 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> References: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> Message-ID: Yeah, a small tang on the bottom of the tube in the middle and then a 3/4" tube to each side of the frame rail (if there is room) should hold things nicely. Make up your own ends, threaded or eyes, or rod ends. Paint it flat black and it disappears. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Dennis DeLap" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Lots of ways to adjust camber on a TR3/4/5/6, this is certainly a good > one. It would be best to anchor the bar in the middle so you could > adjust each tower separately, but what the heck. The bar is absolutely > necessary if you want your car to handle well, otherwise it will have > variable camber as the towers bend in and out. Not good. > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow >> you to pull on the right and left tower independently? >> >> Dennis >> >> >> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >> RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: >> >> >>> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last >>> year, a >>> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom >>> designed >>> piece >>> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He >>> should >>> chime in any time now..... >>> >>> >> >> I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. >> It has been in the car for two years. >> It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. >> It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. >> It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. >> Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more >> camber) >> Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. >> But it is easy to do and inexpensive. >> (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) >> It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have >> differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I >> like it) >> >> If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a >> one time >> basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. >> Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 16 15:23:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander From spitlist at cox.net Sat Aug 16 15:27:24 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, That is a terrible shock. Uncle Jack was everybody's best friend and he will be sorely missed. Please keep us all informed. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 15:31:15 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Good Heavens Joe. We are all in shock. I can only imagine what you and Tony are going through. Please give everyone our love and we are praying for each of you, the family and everyone in the FOT family. What a loss of a good man, father & friend. God Bless You All, Gary & Karla Fuqua Branson, MO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 15:42:33 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:42:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omigod! I'm so sorry to hear this! Please let Tony and Frances know my prayers are with them... and with you and Jan Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sat Aug 16 15:47:19 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74AE7.1070000@141.com> OMG!!! That was the absolute last thing I expected to see in FOT traffic today!! Joe, please pass our condolences along to Frances and Tony, and also for yourself and Jan. I am so, SO sorry. He was a great man who cared about helping others, and was a great racer, father, mentor, husband and friend. He will be extremely missed. I am sure everyone is in shock and everything is unsettled right now, but is there anything we can help with? Please let us know! Very sadly, Susan From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Aug 16 15:57:03 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74D2F.4080201@greenheart.com> Joe... I'm saddened to hear this... my heart goes out to his family... and his close friends... such as yourself... Just a little over a month ago, I lost two friends to cancer, one relatively young, one old, both too soon, within weeks of each other... Losing friends leaves various sized sink holes in our lives that no matter how much we try to fill, they just reappear. I'll miss Jack's posts and the camaraderie he brought to the newsgroups. I wish I had the opportunity to know him as you had. My father died unexpectedly after a day of snow skiing, you may even remember the day, as I shared it with the newsgroup back in '98.... There's something to be said when someone passes doing what they love to do. Thank you for sharing the news... --Justin Wagner N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >Friends of Triumphs > >Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > >I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > >Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > >It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or >medical condition. > >More information will be available later. > >Joe & Jan Alexander > > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Aug 16 16:00:17 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:00:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > Shit. My condolences to you, Joe, and Tony, and all his family. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 16:04:58 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5950D473-4C21-4C16-B386-A09929B95940@bnj.com> Damn. That took the wind right out of me. a real gentleman and a great guy. I'm proud to have known him. Sorry to all of you and his family. On Aug 16, 2008, at 2:23 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this > information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, > or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sat Aug 16 16:06:00 2008 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:06:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: This is indeed horrible news. I am simply in shock, as I know we all are. Jack was simply a fine, fine man, a good freind to all, and a perfect ambassador for our sport and the Triumph marque. God bless Jack, his family, and those of us left behind to miss him. John Houlton **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 16 16:13:44 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:13:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <005401c8ffed$591660f0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> Joe, I am in shock. My hear goes out to Frances and Tony and to you. Whatever the cause we have lost a great guy. Our thoughts and prayers are with you all. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > >> Friends of Triumphs >> >> Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. >> >> I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. >> >> Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. >> >> It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or >> medical condition. >> >> More information will be available later. >> >> Joe & Jan Alexander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com Fri Aug 8 17:38:47 2008 From: Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com (Belfer, Steve) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:38:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Brake Drums seem loose Message-ID: Last winter I bought a set of the Brembo aluminum filled brake drums for my TR3B from TRF. They get 240z units new and machine to fit. Here is the link: http://www.zeni.net/trf/sampler/41.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200 I let them sit on the shelf for a long long time and finally went to fit them up. The hole in the center lines up perfectly with the "hub" on the axle, however, it seems that the four stud holes are slightly too big. This means that the drum goes on very easily and rotates about 3/8 inch fwd and back. My heavier stock units require a good sqeeze and hand tapping to get it on all the way and it won't budge or rotate. Now, I know that when the wheel is bolted up, the drum shouldn't move but it feels bad that the steel drum fits very snug and the new one feels a little loose. I have Southwick axles and not sure this changes the fit of stock brake drums. Did I tell you these things were about 160 bucks each? My rear brakes work fine as is but thought the aluminum finned jobs would really look cool. They're also very light. The brake drums shouldn't be loose at all when fit, right? ~Steve From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:14:24 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> References: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> Message-ID: That pretty well sums it up. My heart goes out to all his family and friends. Tony, Joe.. if there is anything I can do I'm here. Marty > > Shit. > > > My condolences to you, Joe, and Tony, and all his family. > > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo _Gallery_082008 From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Aug 10 12:58:16 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:58:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? In-Reply-To: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> References: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> Message-ID: <489F3A48.9010906@greenheart.com> TeriAnn.... I've generally found that Triumph pricing is pretty much tied to how much parts and painting would cost to bring the vehicle to a good restored standard. What's not in the calculation is labor (except for labor involved with body work, rust repairs, etc. by a reputable shop). Subsequently, if you want to bring the car up to a quality of restoration that would likely be worth $15,000 in today's market, you figure out what bodywork/paint would cost and what the needed parts would cost.... to bring it to that level.... i.e. $6000 in parts, $4000 paint job.... means that such a car is worth about $5000. You mentioned your find needs new floor panels.... and possible rust issues.... would likely need a new transmission... engine rebuild, etc... this can really add up... So now, take note.... labor for restoration work other than body work/painting doesn't seem to ever be part of the equation.... The point there is.... the market rarely rewards you for your labor with these cars. Subsequently, the only people that can restore these cars to "flip"... for a real profit.... are those that can really bring down their parts and labor costs.... i.e. an established shop with access to parts cars, wholesale parts pricing, etc. Of course there are exceptions... putting in the extra elbow grease and dollars, to make the car an extremely good restoration... can equate to a significantly higher selling price...much more than the example of $15K, but then you're looking at the old, "it takes money to make money"... as you'd have to put all the more money into parts and all the more of your time and labor... On occasion, you can simply get a deal. Sometimes those "new parts" collected for that restoration that never happened are worth as much as or more than the car.... and yet the seller just lumps it in and you're really getting those parts for free, etc. So it may be worth going over this inventory of spares more carefully. I'm always amazed to hear of some great deals... usually it's because someone saw a Triumph parked in a field or behind a building, etc., that looks like it's been there for a long time... or maybe they noticed it sitting there for years... and they made inquiries... and the owner just let's the car go for peanuts. It happens. That said, I'm generally pretty amazed at how you can look at photos of Triumphs for sale, and the prices inevitably correlate very closely to what it would take to bring them up to snuff. The traps are usually the cars that are a hell of a lot more clapped out than you think... These are the ones to watch out for. It appears you're in California, as I am... trust me... you can find a TR3 that doesn't have any rust issues.... That can be difficult for our friends in parts of the east coast, etc. You can save a lot of money and headaches by starting with a relatively rust free car. I recently purchased a 1954 TR2.... and rust is not an issue....period. It's worth inspecting the rust issues closely, especially when it's already apparent that it needs new floor boards. Just my thoughts... Cheers. --Justin TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner >is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located >in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue >it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these days. > >It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who >brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who >decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he >didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 >T-bird that didn't need body work instead. > >The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at >least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer >sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface >rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been >fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box >without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory >hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. > >There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet >kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are >loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the >car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears >to be untouched and the seats seem solid. > >Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? >I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to >better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there >& put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a >reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a >race car. > >Any thoughts? > >Teriann >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 16 16:16:40 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c8ffed$c2ae3d30$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Frances, Tony, Joe, Jan and the rest of our Iowa FoT family, Our group, The Friends of Triumph, might be better named "The International Friends of a Small but Very Special Group of Iowans." You guys are without peer. Please know that the loss of Jack is a loss felt deeply by many of us over many hemispheres. Our respect, concern and love is with you. Richard Taylor Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 16:20:56 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:20:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: what kind of event was it?....what was he driving?....any track details ? ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 16 16:25:20 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:25:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have lost a treasured friend and great tuner of racing equipment. Jack had a world of friends who each have a story and thought about this wonderful fellow. To our friend Jack, lost now but never forgotten, a true sportsman and grand family man. Let us all hope that his passing now will allow him to continue racing onwards in another theatre. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Joe, > That is a terrible shock. Uncle Jack was everybody's best friend and he > will be sorely missed. > > Please keep us all informed. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:42:30 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Whoa. Words fail me. Others above have said it all for me. Uncle Jack helped me on numerous occasions, in person, and virtually. He always had time for me, and even seconded my nomination to FOT many years ago. Tony and the Drews family, my absolutely sincere condolences. Shane _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho o_082008 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Aug 16 16:42:50 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:42:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At this moment I have read that Jack Drews has died from an racing accident. I feel very sorry to hear this. He helped me so much with the pistons and other engine parts. A great man he was! Chris From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 16 17:05:34 2008 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <003001c8fff4$99452dd0$c6514c0c@user90890nvpgh> Joe Jan and the Drews family, Horrible news on the list today. Prayers out to all his loved ones. First met "Uncle Jack" and Joe A at Carlisle few years back. Always looked forward to seeing him again after that. Will miss him greatly at the Glen. Bill DeWar TR Rescue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 16 17:11:31 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:11:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A75EA3.5030803@bradakis.com> http://www.thicko.com/jack.htm mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Aug 16 17:15:06 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: My Gawd, Words can't convey the impact. Heartfelt sorrow expressed to all of the family. Beyond that, who can imagine the TR racing world without "Uncle Jack". I'm very thankful I met him . Tony and all, I respectfully offer my condolences. Our sorrows are less than yours but the Triumph world is a lesser place today. In a message dated 8/16/2008 2:24:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 16 17:20:26 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes Message-ID: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> I've removed the message size limits and picture filters, in case someone has lots to say or pictures they wish to share over the next few days. mjb. From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 17:19:31 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <3521984.12509481218928771367.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> This simply kicked me in my gut. The suddenness and finality of it is too much. Say it isn't true. Jacks mind was always working on some grand new project and perfecting that which was already made. I hope he can download some of his unfinnished dreams to us. Mordy From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Aug 16 17:28:31 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes - Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> References: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48A7629F.8000901@greenheart.com> While I look forward to hearing of any family-chosen charities for Jack.... in the meantime... I just donated $50.00 to Fat Chance Garage/Team.net, in Jack's name. --Justin Wagner Mark J Bradakis wrote: >I've removed the message size limits and picture filters, in case >someone has lots to say or pictures they wish to share over >the next few days. > >mjb. > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From gp89 at charter.net Sat Aug 16 17:30:01 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <3521984.12509481218928771367.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <20080816193001.TNX3S.229683.root@fepweb13> Geez Jack, I never got the wrench back to ya that you dropped at Blackhawk, now what do I do with it? Gonna miss ya. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sat Aug 16 17:32:06 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Memories of Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> References: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48A76376.2030906@141.com> Thanks for the restriction removal, Mark! Here are two pics that give me some very good memories. The first one is of Jack and me at Hallet in 2001. He had just overtaken me in a clean pass, and was bombing on to continue his storm around the track. We all joked that the photo showed clear evidence that I was taking him on the outside. :) The second one is of Jack winning the first Kastner Cup, at Mosport in 2003. He was the epitome of the sport. We will miss you, Unk! Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM From budscars at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 17:58:50 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <48A74AE7.1070000@141.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8fffc$089827d0$0302a8c0@Bud> I am very sorry to hear that sad news. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > OMG!!! That was the absolute last thing I expected to see in FOT > traffic today!! Joe, please pass our condolences along to Frances and > Tony, and also for yourself and Jan. I am so, SO sorry. > > He was a great man who cared about helping others, and was a great > racer, father, mentor, husband and friend. He will be extremely missed. > > I am sure everyone is in shock and everything is unsettled right now, > but is there anything we can help with? Please let us know! > > Very sadly, > Susan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Aug 16 18:06:55 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes - Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <48A7629F.8000901@greenheart.com> Message-ID: While I look forward to hearing of any family-chosen charities for Jack.... in the meantime... I just donated $50.00 to Fat Chance Garage/Team.net, in Jack's name. --Justin Wagner Excellent suggestion. I too, just sent $50. Jack was a class guy and deserves our fondest memories. Ken Gano From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 18:27:57 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:27:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76EE9D10-1D1E-4317-A5A3-F0D640DA495D@earthlink.net> What terrible news. As a son from another "father and son" Triumph racing team, I am deeply saddened by this surprising and rotten news. Today, I snuck out to the garage to work on my Uncle Jack front axle upgrade. He emailed me some helpful advice just a few days ago. I feel so bad for Tony and the gang. :( ~Steve > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this > information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, > or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Aug 16 18:30:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <410984EB-BD60-4E17-818E-C755F9E57CB7@wi.rr.com> My heart tumbled when I stood in front of my computer and gazed upon the repeated "subject" regarding Jack. How can this be? As we all struggle to adjust to this new reality, I just want to send my thoughts and prayers to Tony and the entire Drews family. I will truly miss Jack. In Sympathy, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Sat Aug 16 19:00:34 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:00:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <00d701c90004$a892ec40$2d620143@your55e5f9e3d2> I offer my sincere condolences to the family and freinds of Jack Drews. He will truly be missed. He was one of my heroes. Ron Sanborn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 > 5:12 PM > > From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Aug 16 19:27:33 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:27:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I am proud to say Jack was a great friend. I spent the day with the Drews family in the paddock at Grattan, and can say Jack was having a ball. He was driving well and his car was running great. And of course his car was looking great. As we were working on Tony's car I heard Jack talking to a guy that was taking pictures of his car. The guy said he was into building models and wanted to do up a model of Jack's car. I am sure that happened to Jack all the time. Jack and I were at Mosport this past June along with several other FOT. He wasn't driving that weekend, he was supporting Tony. When we were sitting around shooting the breeze, I told him I had been meaning to tell him this for a while. I thanked him for all the hard work he has done for the benefit of the Triumph racing community. Developing the Southwick Axle, taking on the spindle kits, the aluminum hubs, etc. His response surprised me. He said nobody ever thanked him for that. Now I am really glad I did. We all suffered a great loss today. My heart goes out to the Drews family. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device From tr6nut at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 19:28:42 2008 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:28:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Brake Drums seem loose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A77ECA.8090903@verizon.net> The 240z uses 12mm studs, which are bigger than the 7/16" studs that the TR uses - hence the "sloppiness". Once you bolt up the wheel, it won't move. From tr6nut at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 19:34:03 2008 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:34:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <48A7800B.2020901@verizon.net> The internet is a strange thing. You can have friends who you've never met, and the loss of one of them hits you just as hard as if you has met them in person. Godspeed Jack. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Aug 16 21:01:36 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A79490.6070101@141.com> Here's a link to a video of father & son dueling each other at Mosport in 2003. http://www.141.com/triumphs/Mosport2003/Jack%20&%20Tony.MPG Jack will certainly be missed. Brad N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > > From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Aug 16 21:30:43 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <007301c90019$a1be3770$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I am shock. I have been e-mailing Jack about my engine rebuild for the past months. We took our axle down by him to Southwick for the conversion. He was always so helpful to us. He will be sorely missed for his graciousness and helpfulness to a "newby". Our sincere condolences to Francis and Tony and family and friends such as Joe. It's hard to comprehend. We were to be at Grattan but I didn't get the engine done in time. Maybe it's best. I'm not sure I could handle such a tragedy in person. I'm at a loss for words. Tony and Francis, I'm truly sorry for your loss. Tim and Ryan Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 21:44:35 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:44:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7DF17EAF6AC54CDDB54D8840C8BF638A@hal9000> I am deeply saddened by the news of Jack's passing. I never met him in person but we corresponded quite a bit. He has advised me on several occasions in building my own TR4 and from here on I can look at my car and be reminded of him all the little things he helped me with. I'm sure I'm not the only one. My heart goes out to the Drews family and I would like to say thank you Jack for your kindness and advice. Godspeed, Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 16 21:48:08 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=97160 Sad to hear the news, condolences to all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: August 16, 2008 5:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 21:56:15 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <017b01c9001d$32f55400$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, condolences to his family and friends. This is terrible. I met Jack and Tony at Grattan last year; they were very friendly and helpful. Before I found out who he was, I was talking to him about the uprated front spindles on my TR6. He questioned me about their quality and ease of installation. When I answered positively about about both, he smiled, held out his hand , and said, "Hi, I'm Uncle Jack!" They were his spindles! Great guy. He and Joe stopped in Erie last spring on their way to Boston. We had dinner and went for ice cream. Fun time. I'm running a 10k foot race tomorrow; I'll do it in Jacks memory. Thanks, Jack, for everything. Sadly, Bill Tobin----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From gwizracing at cfu.net Sat Aug 16 22:08:14 2008 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A7A42E.1090904@cfu.net> This is the saddest news. Carol and I are completely heartbroken. Our thoughts and prayers are with Jack's family. Jack was indeed "*_The __Gentleman_ _Triumph_*". His family and friends including the "Friends of Triumph" have suffered a great loss today. Jack, Joe and myself all worked at John Deere before retiring. Jack has always been a good friend and was a gentleman at work as well as at play. It was Jack and Joe that helped me build my TR4 and enjoy racing with them. His help was always excellent and graciously given. The world lost a true racing gentleman today. Gary Wiezorek Formerly TR4 #96 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 00:38:15 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:38:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Amen Gary!! New Owner of "Former #96" that is now # 69. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 02:03:54 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Mr. Jack Message-ID: <25245003.21390551218960234706.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=97160&catid=2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 15:04:46 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:04:46 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I am so sorry to have heard the news of this untimely loss. Jack Drews, along with Kas and Joe Alexander, epitomize the inventiveness and generosity that is FOT. I'm grateful to him, Mark B and all the leaders of this fine group for providing me with a valuable and enjoyable forum and brotherhood. Long live the memories of Jack and the Triumphant legacy he leaves behind. Steve P. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 06:51:31 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:51:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Memories of Jack Message-ID: Greg Petrolati -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: _BF10170r.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58058 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some fellow with a TR6 was on a road trip and his front upright failed. Somehow he got ahold of Jack out of the phone book. Although Jack did not know him from Adam , he called me (we were working on the spindle stiffener project at the time) and I overnighted him the one off of my car that we were using for the mockup. Of course the guy fixed his car and drove off, never to return the upright, and of course Jack found one and replaced mine. He was the most stand up guy your could ever want to work with and woudl do anything to help anybody. Tony, I am so sorry for your loss but take comfort that he went out doing what he loved to do, we should all be so lucky. Mark Weathers 72 TR6> From: N197TR4 at cs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 -0400> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan> > Friends of Triumphs> > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information.> > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan.> > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition.> > More information will be available later.> > Joe & Jan Alexander> > > _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 07:17:41 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:17:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACE82C3295B05-84-393B@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Joe...Tony... so sorry to hear this... You're in my thoughts & prayers, please pass my condolences on to the rest of the family. RIP Jack Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 5:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:23:05 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 7:23:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] I offer my sincere condolences to the family and freinds of Jack Drews. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080817102305.IWHW6.226745.root@fepweb16> I never met Uncle Jack, not sure I even conversed with him on the forum. With tears in my eyes, I can only offer my prayers to Jacks family. Obviously a huge loss to our small community. When one of us laughs, we all laugh. when one of us cries, we all cry. God Speed to Uncle Jack. Bobby Whitehead CVAR GT6+ From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 08:24:55 2008 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] RE. Jack Drews died this afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <956441.7108.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Francis, Tony, Joe and Jan, My deepest sympathy for the great loss. My thought and prayers will be with you in this time of grief. Jack was a prince of a man. I shall cherish memories of he and Francis taking me into their home and sharing lunch with me the time I picked up the TR 3 head he had reworked for me. And the tape of "Racing Blues". Thanks Uncle Jack you were loved by all. Rest in peace. Ken Suhre From igofaster at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:29:56 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 7:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080817102956.P4YT9.226851.root@fepweb16> My Triumph GT6 has been moved from Group7 to Group2, in the group change Eddie Dick has a Sprite and it seems we shared the same #54. So , I'm getting new numbers for the GT6... #53... I had this thought while I was at the vinyl sign shop tomorrow, to get a small vinyl lettering to add to the body work.... "In Memory of Uncle Jack" Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR Triumph GT6 From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:44:41 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:44:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <48A83959.3070504@charter.net> Unfortunately I never had a chance to meet Jack. I have admired his dedication to the sport, his abilities, and his inventiveness. My condolences go out to family and friends. Sincerely Glenn Franco Steven Preiss wrote: > I am so sorry to have heard the news of this untimely loss. Jack > Drews, along with Kas and Joe Alexander, epitomize the inventiveness > and generosity that is FOT. I'm grateful to him, Mark B and all the > leaders of this fine group for providing me with a valuable and > enjoyable forum and brotherhood. Long live the memories of Jack and > the Triumphant legacy he leaves behind. > Steve P. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 09:17:42 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:17:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: This is my last correspondence with Jack: <> That might be a problem, Jack. The whole time that I have been fooling around with this stuff, I have only come by one long manifold, which is on the car now. I will look around. Bill.>> Jack's spindles are on the car, and a few other things. What a terrible calamity.


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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Aug 17 10:02:48 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:02:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, words fail me. My thoughts are with Tony and Frances right now. I know that this felt like a gut punch to me, and can only imagine how his family feels right now. We've lost a good man. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Aug 17 10:07:06 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:07:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He was always a guy which was fun to discuss technical things. He had the mind to understand and his ideas were great. His advice was to try a narrow rods from a V8 as a replacement of the stock rods. He has ordered pistons, rods and bearings for me without know me and being several thousand miles away. I'll miss this very interesting conversations we had per mail. He also invited me to Road America and would have organize all to comfort me but unfortunately this was beyond my racing budget. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. August 2008 17:18 An: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; gwizracing at cfu.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan This is my last correspondence with Jack: <> That might be a problem, Jack. The whole time that I have been fooling around with this stuff, I have only come by one long manifold, which is on the car now. I will look around. Bill.>> Jack's spindles are on the car, and a few other things. What a terrible calamity.


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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00 030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Aug 17 10:34:07 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race Message-ID: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll all cry for Jack in our own time. Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way to honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He certainly did. It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. Bill From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sun Aug 17 10:46:56 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:46:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <48A79490.6070101@141.com> Message-ID: <48A23A1E00D84007@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Dear all, I have had the privilege of knowing Jack for a short time; Jack took the barn find (thanks Joe) that is my blue TR4 and turned it from a mess into the race car that it is today. Jack had a wealth of knowledge on these cars and absolutely nothing was a challenge to him. I had the pleasure of staying with Jack and Francis in Geneseo a couple of times and you could not have wished for better company from a hugely charming couple. I last saw Jack at Mosport in June when he was in fine form and, as always, very attentive towards me, my family and my car; he will be sorely missed by us all over here in the UK. Keith. From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Aug 17 11:16:53 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> References: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Thank you Bill for saying it much better than I could. Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cofrog at q.com Sun Aug 17 12:00:56 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: Awful news. Met the man once at Hallet and was greatly impressed. Had several very helpful phone conversations and did a number of pleasant business transactions with him. Extremely knowlegeble and a true gentleman. Jack, along with Joe Alexander, are the heart a soul of FOT and our small group along with his family and friends have suffered a greivious loss. 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 17 12:12:20 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:12:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sigh Message-ID: <48A86A04.70103@bradakis.com> On sunday mornings our local community radio station has a 4 hour folk music type program [ http://www.krcl.org ] For some reason the programmer played about 4 different versions of 'Knocking on Heaven's Door' so far this morning. Interesting choice of background music for going through the saddening emails of the last 24 hours. Sigh. Time to get off my butt, I've Triumphs to work on! mjb. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 12:27:33 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:27:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe and Jack Message-ID: Carlisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 100_0394.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 639565 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 100_0393.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 685959 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Aug 17 15:08:08 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack References: <000001c900a1$4615d3a0$3e5e164c@markv8zno7deim> Message-ID: <003b01c900ad$59bd9a30$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Thanks for the photos! This is how I want to remember Uncle Jack. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark York To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Most racers here in the Northwest never get the chance to haul our cars to events in the Midwest or East Coast. But a few of us were lucky to meet Joe and Jack at the Seattle Historics and the Columbia River Classic in Portland in 2006. Part of the CRC is a "block party" to celebrate the vintage spirit. Everyone is encouraged to dress the era of their choice (40's, 50's 60's etc). Attached are a couple rare photos of the Northwest FOT group with Uncle Jack and Joe. When asked where he got the vintage leisure suit, white belt and shoes Uncle Jack said (with a huge smile on his face) "it was hanging in my closet". We were the fortunate few... Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sun Aug 17 15:26:21 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:26:21 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <48A75EA3.5030803@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <006201c900af$e5468290$0201a8c0@Bevan> How terribly and tragically sad. Speaking from the far side of *the pond* I have to admit all ignorance of having met or known Jack Drews. That said, it was clear to me a very long time ago when I was first allowed to be a FOTer, that Jack was a very special person to so many. To become special to anyone requires many aspects of good character and its obvious from the tributes I've read this far, that Jack had those qualities in abundance. My greatest sadness is that he and I have been like two vessels passing unacknowledged in the night. Jack so clearly a large ship of great renown - and me, just a tiny little raft bobbing on the water. I had so looked forward to meeting him somewhere 'along the road' I'll travel next year in the Triumph Charity Drive, but this will never be. My deepest condolences to Jack's family, his many close friends - both on the track and off, together with all those whose lives he touched. I know he will be deeply missed by all but surely we should also rejoice in knowing that his passing came about simply doing something he loved - and that in doing it, he could revel in true happiness. Jonmac From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Aug 17 18:46:37 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Tony and Frances I am so sorry for your loss. We are all shocked and saddened by the loss of Uncle Jack. He was a great help and inspiration to us all. Here are a few photos I have of our Beloved Uncle Jack. The first one is of Jack on track at the 2006 Oklahoma event. The second one is him heading out to the track at Road Atlanta in 2005. Mike Munson Bowling Green, KY. #28 EP TR6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FOT Hallett 06 025.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3103640 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 538.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 152347 bytes Desc: not available URL: From triosan at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 19:28:16 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> References: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808171828v35fe51c6q9a72298323d3455c@mail.gmail.com> Thank's Bill. That was a very nice piece. Joe, I know the shock and loss will last a life time for you. I am sorry for that. Sorry too that I never met Jack, though we comuned often on this site. Still have a set of his axels too install this winter. Tony, my condolences to you and your family. Your dad will live on in the memories of many, many people. The tributes on this list speak to that. I have alws=ays told my wife that vintage racing is "safe", but should I die doing she will know I died happy. Love to you all. Chuck Arnold On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look > forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost > to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a > motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply > don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The > stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real > feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other > things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the > hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. > I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took > me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll > all cry for Jack in our own time. > > Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen > "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of > time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way to > honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He > certainly did. > > It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing > something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it > would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was > still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being > with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtalbott at archrepro.com Sun Aug 17 19:47:26 2008 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <000501c900d4$5e2cf080$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> Oh, my. What a shock to return from a weekend away to this dreadful news. As I've been thinking of Uncle Jack this evening I keep recalling the line from The Wind in the Willows about there being nothing "half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." For Jack, it seemed, it was only a matter of replacing the "boats" with "cars," and he was indeed a happy camper. The attached photo was taken at Road Atlanta in 2005 shortly after the Kastner Cup festivities were complete, and several of our beloved Iowan's had put together a little presentation for Richard Taylor. I'm not sure why Uncle Jack seemed so intent on reading the sheet music, as it was quite apparent that he knew all the words by heart. I was born on a farm out in iowa A flaming youth I was bound I would fly away I packed my grip and I grabbed my saxophone Can't read notes, but I play anything by ear I made up tunes on the sounds that I used to hear When I'd start to play folks to say 'sounds a little goofus to me' Sure gonna miss him. DT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Goofus.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 124648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dkettler at powercom.net Sun Aug 17 21:11:22 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <01e401c900e0$185f68b0$1f1172d8@David> Frances, Tony, Joe, Jan, all FOT: My condolences to all on this very sad news. Things I remember about Jack: He was always interested in what others were doing even though he had so many things going on. He always took an interest in other peoples' ideas. The first time I met him. I was privileged to see Jack, his car and his shop in Iowa. He was involved in a project on the racecar on a weeknight and took time out to talk with me and show me what he was doing. Oh yes, I got to meet Frances that night too! Many race weekends at Road America. I'm sure the next time I take a ride in my street TR4A it will run even better with the parts in it from Uncle Jack. Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From jfrymark at aol.com Sun Aug 17 21:50:04 2008 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 21, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D0699CE-38B2-4315-8C46-513DF43DA2A7@aol.com> Like others just getting this news, I am deeply saddened by Uncle Jack's passing. He was a real "Gentleman Racer". My heartfelt sympathies to Tony and the Drews family. John Frymark On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jack's race (Chuck Arnold) > 2. Re: Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan (David Talbott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:28:16 -0700 > From: "Chuck Arnold" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack's race > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: FOT List > Message-ID: > <8cbd782d0808171828v35fe51c6q9a72298323d3455c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank's Bill. That was a very nice piece. > > Joe, I know the shock and loss will last a life time for you. I am > sorry > for that. Sorry too that I never met Jack, though we comuned often > on this > site. Still have a set of his axels too install this winter. > > Tony, my condolences to you and your family. Your dad will live on > in the > memories of many, many people. The tributes on this list speak to > that. > > I have alws=ays told my wife that vintage racing is "safe", but > should I die > doing she will know I died happy. > > Love to you all. > > Chuck Arnold > > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look >> forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost >> to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a >> motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply >> don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The >> stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real >> feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other >> things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the >> hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the >> loss. >> I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took >> me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll >> all cry for Jack in our own time. >> >> Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen >> "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of >> time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way >> to >> honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He >> certainly did. >> >> It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing >> something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it >> would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was >> still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being >> with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. >> >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/e7da1f9c/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:47:26 -0700 > From: "David Talbott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > To: , > Message-ID: <000501c900d4$5e2cf080$6801a8c0 at LatitudeD530> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Oh, my. What a shock to return from a weekend away to this > dreadful news. > > As I've been thinking of Uncle Jack this evening I keep recalling > the line > from The Wind in the Willows about there being nothing "half so much > worth > doing as simply messing about in boats." For Jack, it seemed, it > was only a > matter of replacing the "boats" with "cars," and he was indeed a happy > camper. > > The attached photo was taken at Road Atlanta in 2005 shortly after the > Kastner Cup festivities were complete, and several of our beloved > Iowan's > had put together a little presentation for Richard Taylor. I'm not > sure > why Uncle Jack seemed so intent on reading the sheet music, as it > was quite > apparent that he knew all the words by heart. > > > I was born on a farm out in iowa > > A flaming youth I was bound I would fly away > > I packed my grip and I grabbed my saxophone > > Can't read notes, but I play anything by ear > > I made up tunes on the sounds that I used to hear > > When I'd start to play folks to say > > 'sounds a little goofus to me' > > > Sure gonna miss him. > > DT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > >> Friends of Triumphs >> >> Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. >> >> I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this >> information. >> >> Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. >> >> It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver >> error, or >> medical condition. >> >> More information will be available later. >> >> Joe & Jan Alexander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Goofus.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 124648 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/0489903c/attachment.jpg > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 21, Issue 31 > *********************************** From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 23:56:59 2008 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:56:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <081820080556.25833.48A90F2B0002BE12000064E922135285730E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> My goodness! Just returned to town and logged on. What a shock to hear that Uncle Jack has passed away. If it wasn't for Uncle Jack and his buddy Joe Alexander, I'd probably still be thinking about getting into vintage racing. They answered my VTR ad about purchasing a Triumph vintage racer in December of 2004. When I was in Chicago on business the following January, I managed to sneak away and drive over to Geneseo to take a look at a red TR4 that Jack and Joe were selling. Uncle Jack and Frances were very gracious to me. After breakfast we went out into the garage and crawled all over #24, but frankly, it was hard not to keep my eyes off of Jack's blue and white TR4. The workmanship was amazing and the Triumph was a winner just sitting there. I knew I was in the presence of someone who was a professional in this field. It was a no brainer for me. I bought the car and left Uncle Jack with a lengthy laundry list of "enhancements" suggested by him. Uncle Jack was very fair in his prices, the quality of his work was outstanding and he delivered on time. I can't remember how many times he answered my calls and responded to my e-mails, but it was a bunch. I echo all the sentiments I've read tonight, Uncle Jack was a great mentor, racer, family man and an icon in FoT. My condolences to Frances and Tony, Joe and Jan and all the folks who knew "Uncle Jack" far longer than I have. John James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 06:04:47 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:04:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> <48A7800B.2020901@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006f01c9012a$9c7669b0$0300a8c0@Desktop> Hugh wrote this and it some up how I feel Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Barber" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan The internet is a strange thing. You can have friends who you've never met, and the loss of one of them hits you just as hard as if you has met them in person. Godspeed Jack. > Hugh Barber > Stafford, VA From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 06:23:47 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] JACK Message-ID: <452206.46748.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is the man that we will all miss. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 413-1378_IMG.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 234278 bytes Desc: 467585339-413-1378_IMG.JPG URL: From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Aug 18 06:39:14 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Aftrenoon at Grattan Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF746DC@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> I am very sorry to here that Jack has pasted away and give my condolences to his family and friends. I never met Jack personally but when I would call him he would always come to the phone to talk to me about my car, he always seemed to share a little time with me. I know that Jack will be missed by a great multitude of people world wide. Was hoping to see him at W.Glen for I have as Jack called it a"clone" of "Old Blue". Rob Deanes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Group44TR7 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 06:50:44 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:50:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Amici Like many of you, my acquaintance with Jack Drew was initiated through Friends of Triumph. Jack and I have had a steady dialog over the years on a variety of non Triumph subjects in which it became clear that the same substantive values for which we respect him in FOT was a characteristic of his overall life. Jack was one of those rare people who one just continually gained more respect as you got to know him better. As big a lost as I feel in my life from his passing, I realize is small compared to that of Frances, Tony, and his family (of which Joe Alexander must certainly qualify as an extended member). Cary **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 07:34:27 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <856492.17138.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Francis, Tony, Joe, Jan and all the FOT, Thank you Bill for saying this so well. I have no words right now, but I want all of you close to Jack to know that Jan and I have you in our thoughts and prayers. Many things can and have been said about Jack ... and they are all good. I only hope that we as the FOT will carry the enthusiasm and good will forward with the qualities that Jack shared with us all. Whatever Jan and I can do, please let us know. Bill Babcock wrote: I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll all cry for Jack in our own time. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 08:45:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:45:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 09:03:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for keeping us all informed. I read one link someone posted of anews report. It indicated he did not lift at the end of the straight and probably had suffered a heart attach. I have been thinking about him, racing,life and death. To die while doing the thing you love,to die with your passion, that is something I think we all probably would choose as the way to go. Dying with your family at the side of your bed after an illness, as my father did, provided comfort to those of us who are there, but is not how he would have chosen to go. So,at the start of each race and practice day, I intend to say goodbye and be at peace with all who are about me,and someday, I too,might die with my boots on. I hope this post has not been offensive to anyone,it certainly is not meant to be. Chuck 2008/8/18 > FOT, > > Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. > > Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. > Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and > responsible for much of who Jack was. > > Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday > or Thursday. We expect to hear something today > > In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life > & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH > PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am > hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans > to be at The Glen. > > The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first > recipient of the Cup. > > Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. > > Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our > 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, > and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his > mentoring. I owe him much. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 09:14:02 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chuck, I suspect that like myself, many others were also thinking along the same lines. You were just the first to say it. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:03 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Thanks for keeping us all informed. I read one link someone posted of anews report. It indicated he did not lift at the end of the straight and probably had suffered a heart attach. I have been thinking about him, racing,life and death. To die while doing the thing you love,to die with your passion, that is something I think we all probably would choose as the way to go. Dying with your family at the side of your bed after an illness, as my father did, provided comfort to those of us who are there, but is not how he would have chosen to go. So,at the start of each race and practice day, I intend to say goodbye and be at peace with all who are about me,and someday, I too,might die with my boots on. I hope this post has not been offensive to anyone,it certainly is not meant to be. Chuck 2008/8/18 FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. 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WST From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Aug 18 11:10:29 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:10:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0E7202EA@kb1.mossmotors.com> Jack and Joe met up with me the first time I got a chance to attend the Mitty. They took a shy gearhead and made him feel welcome to the Triumph camp. Since then, I've had the honor of being engaged by their new projects and right now I'm seeing Jacks grinning face as he puts forth another cool idea. Keep on tinkering Jack. I feel sure there are milling machines for gearheads in heaven. Kelvin Dodd Global Sourcing Engineer, Moss Motors, Ltd. www.mossmotors.com 440 Rutherford Street Goleta, CA 93117 Phone : 805.679.7023 Fax: 805.692.2520 E-mail: doddk at mossmotors.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 11:12:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:12:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Geneseo, Illinois Concordia Lutheran Church Jack Drews Message-ID: FoT, et. al. Please check the website for current forthcoming details http://www.geneseolutheranchurch.com/ Sevices for Jack are indicated to be at 10:30AM Thursday with a visitation Wednesday. Home address for The Drew's Frances Drews 514 North Vail Street Geneseo, IL 61254 Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My heart goes out to his family. I never met Jack but through this group I felt I knew him and he will be missed. The internet builds bonds with groups like this from people all over the world who never meet face to face but feel a comraderie. I didn't know this until now but I spent the first 29 years of my life 40 miles from Jack. I wish I had met him. Greg Lund From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 12:52:30 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:52:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Thanks for picking this up Bobby. I'm quite sure there will be many of us that will want to display something on our cars in Memory of Uncle Jack. Count me in!! Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua 63 TR 4 # 69 (With lots of work done by and parts from Uncle Jack) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 13:51:28 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> References: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> Message-ID: <4FC493164E604FD7B284DD6EBCC6D828@newcomputer> Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car in a color that fits. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:10 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack I've dropped off an idea or two at my local vinyl sign shop In Memory of Uncle Jack small window stickers, in white.. I have a vinyl stick on in color of the FoT logo to see if the color version can be applied somehow... don't know if it can be. If interested drop me an email and I will forward what I come up with for free. In Memeory of Uncle Jack #59 TR4 Friends of Triumph email interest or suggestions to me.. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6 igofaster at charter.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 14:32:58 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:32:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Thanks guys....the target time frame would be to have them to hand out at Watkins Glen. Joe > Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on > signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. > > If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in > a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car > in a color that fits. > > Joe C. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:03:45 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:03:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 08/16/2008 5:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > We have lost a treasured friend and great tuner of racing equipment. Jack > had a world of friends who each have a story and thought about this > wonderful fellow. To our friend Jack, lost now but never forgotten, a true > sportsman and grand family man. Let us all hope that his passing now will > allow him to continue racing onwards in another theatre. > Amici... I also was racing my 56 TR3 in that SPRINT RACE at GRATTAN on Saturday afternoon. Uncle Jack had just passed (lapped) me early in Lap Ten. I did not see the accident, but as I approached the flag bridge, I saw them grabbing for flags. As I approached Turn ONE, I saw Jack's gorgeous blue and white TR4 standing straight up in the air, resting on the boot. The crash had just happened. The car had gone over a significant curb, through a gravel trap, and hit an earth berm at full bore. After the initial impact, it must have launched straight up in the air and come back down on its boot. Corner ONE had still not gone YELLOW, but they were reaching for the flags. I made it through ONE and got a RED FLAG from Corner TWO. My wife Shirley was standing with Frances Drews watching the race from the deck above the garages on the front straight. From that distance it is pretty hard to see clearly what happened. But they knew there was a big crash, and they knew it was Jack. I don't care to say much more about the accident, because it was terrible. The wheel base on Jack's car appears to be 10-12" shorter than it used to be. Jack was my dear friend. I hate to say it, but I do not think his serious injuries were the kind no one would want to live through. Kas suggests Jack is now racing in another theater. It's a metaphor, but a great thought I share. Anyone who knew Jack really close, knows he was very, very religious. We all knew him as a TRIUMPH GURU, but Jack was multifaceted. He was the Choir Leader at his church. The VSCDA often has a short, informal non-denominational service on Sunday mornings at race events. Jack Drews always attended those services, and would often lead them. There was one held yesterday at GRATTAN as well. Jack was not able to lead it, but I'll bet he was there in spirit. Many gave their feelings about the tragedy. There was a common thread. Consensus was that Jack had a heart attack, or maybe fainted, doing something he loved to do...he was racing. No need to feel bad for Jack. He is doing just fine! Feel bad for those of us left behind. For Frances, for Tony, his daughters, grandchildren, and the rest of us. It is our great loss. JACK DREWS...First in Class, First Overall, every day, in every way. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:09:19 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:09:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: That would be AWESOME!! Please keep me posted. Gary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 15:13:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383ECFDFCD2B4C698977F352549B27BB@newcomputer> When is Watkins Glen? If we can have the exact wording, size and the number of each colors, I will see what I can do. Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:33 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Uncle Jack Thanks guys....the target time frame would be to have them to hand out at Watkins Glen. Joe Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car in a color that fits. 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Drews (September 22, 1936 - August 16, 2008) Sign Guest Book | Send Private Condolences Send Flowers Jack W. Drews, 71, of Geneseo went to be with his Lord on Saturday, August 16, 2008. He left while doing what he loved in Grattan, MI. Funeral services will be held at 10:30 a.m. on Thursday, August 21st at Concordia Lutheran Church, Geneseo. Rev. Daniel Olson will officiate. Burial will be in North Cemetery, Geneseo. Visitation will be from 4 to 7 p.m. on Wednesday at Stackhouse-Moore Funeral Services, 225 East Park St. Geneseo. Memorials may be made to Concordia Lutheran Church or LCMS World Relief. Jack was born September 22, 1936 in Danville, IL the son of Christian and Zora (Quick) Drews. He graduated from the University of Illinois and married Frances Schmidt on June 12, 1960 in Hebron, NE. Jack had worked at Hyster Company and then for John Deere Company before retiring in 1998. Jack was member of Concordia Lutheran Church where he was the choir director and held various other offices. He was also a member of the Geneseo Kiwanis. Jack enjoyed working on and racing vintage sports cars and the friends that he made through his hobby. He also enjoyed taking vacations with his family, singing in barbershop quartets and music. Survivors include his wife, Frances; a son, Tony Drews, Moline, IL; two daughters and a son-in-law, Christine Drews, Raymore, MO, and Lisbeth (Timothy) Schaubroeck, Colorado Springs, CO; four grandchildren, Samantha and Victoria Drews, and Micah and Adam Schaubroeck; and one brother, Phillip Drews, Stewart, GA. He was preceded in death by his parents. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Aug 18 22:04:27 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:04:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:45:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan I have been away from my computer at an event in WA...I read of Jack's demise in the newspaper this morning. It is so sad, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. Heaven has another bright star today. My sincere condolences Leon F Guyot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 22:24:18 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:24:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> Message-ID: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color lettering that best suits their car's colors. Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat transferred multicolored vinyl.) 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl lettering) 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions on which direction I should go. Regards, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:04:26 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:04:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:25:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Gary! Please bear in mind that multiple lines and sizes of letters are no more expensive than a single line. It is just the amount of Vinyl at that point that dictates the cost. So if we want, it is easy to combine some of the suggestions and therefore make the thing more acceptable to everyone. Joe C. _____ From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com [mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 23:26:49 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:34:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> References: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> That can be done but it will be much more expensive to produce because of two factors: Artwork is involved A different process has to be used (Heat transfer of colored vinyl onto the white or black substrate) It will also take longer because it is a multiple step process. Since timing is certainly an issue, please take that into consideration. Joe C. _____ From: Gary Horstkorta [mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:27 PM To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 23:35:58 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:35:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: Is it possible to use the existing FOT coat of arms with Jack's name and number ? Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:24 PM To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color lettering that best suits their car's colors. Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat transferred multicolored vinyl.) 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl lettering) 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions on which direction I should go. Regards, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:39:08 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:39:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: I am totally open on that. Just want everyone to realize that time is of the essence and simple is usually best. I just need to hear from a few as to what is the favored representation we want and we can go from there. Gary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:41:25 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:41:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Again, totally open on this. Your suggestion sounds VERY good to me as I would love to see us incorporate the car #. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:45:44 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:45:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <492E234557D24BCF843177575E785173@newcomputer> Now you are talking about BIG bucks. While the artwork for the FOT logo is already done, there are 6 colors that have to be layered onto the decal. I thought of that already but figured that it would be pretty prohibitive in both time and expense to produce something that complex. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:36 PM To: 'Joe Curry' Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Is it possible to use the existing FOT coat of arms with Jack's name and number ? Jim G From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 01:44:17 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:44:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews arrangements Message-ID: <20080819064615.F08CF18766F@autox.team.net> As you are probably aware, Jack Drews died Saturday, Aug. 16 while racing his lovely Triumph TR-4 at Grattan, MI. We believe that he blacked out behind the wheel, causing him to drive off the end of the front straight without braking or turning. It appears that he suffered a basal scull fracture in the impact with the embankment. He was doing what he loved, with the people he loved. We will all miss him, but he is in a better place now. We have been overwhelmed by the support both at the track and upon returning home, and are grateful for everyone's thoughts and prayers. We will be having visitation on Wednesday, Aug. 20 from 4:00 pm to 7:00 pm at Stackhouse Moore Funeral Home, 225 E. Park Street, Geneseo, IL 61254. The funeral will be on Thursday, Aug. 21 at 10:30 am and will be followed by a luncheon at Concordia Lutheran Church, 316 S. Oakwood Ave, Geneseo, IL 61254. His obituary is on-line at: http://www.webfh.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=196598&fh_id=10589 (or go to www.stackhousemoore.com and choose the link to Jack Drews on their main page) For those who would like to attend from out of town, Geneseo has two recently built hotels: AmeriHost Inn 309-945-9345 1375 S. Oakwood Ave Geneseo, IL 61254 Rates: 2 queen beds: 77.99 plus tax (86.57), 1 king bed: 66.99 plus tax (74.36) Directions: Coming from the I-80 exit to Geneseo, this is near the interstate behind the "Culvers" on the right hand side of the road. Super 8 Motel 309-945-1898 765 W. Main St. Geneseo, IL 61254 Rates: 2 double beds: 66.99 plus tax, 1 king bed: 62.99 plus tax Directions: Coming from the I-80 exit to Geneseo, turn left at the 2nd light (Main street). The hotel will be on your right near the edge of town. For those unable to attend that would like to honor Jack, donations may be sent to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund, 514 N. Vail, Geneseo, IL 61254. Or, you may make a donation in Jack's honor to the charity of your choice. Thanks, Tony Drews From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 02:10:57 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:10:57 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Singing with Uncle Jack in mind Message-ID: <03b901c901d3$1c6d9280$0201a8c0@Bevan> This forum is not and almost certainly never was brought into being with religion in mind - but perhaps, under the circumstances, we may err slightly towards the issue of Sacred Music with Jack Drews in mind? I had no idea that Jack was also a Choral Director and this is another reason for wishing I had known him because we could have shared a lot outside the arena of Triumphs and racing. It must surely be a coincidence that on 21st August, another funeral will be taking place in England at which I will be present as a member of the choir. All Saints Church in Evesham, England sits on the site of Evesham Abbey - once the third largest Abbey in England until its destruction in 1540, so the land on which the church stands has had a strong Christian tradition for more than 1000 years. Last night, we were practising two anthems for our funeral service and you can hear them both on YouTube. They are well-known, simple, lilting melodies and harmonies and the versions we'll be singing were arranged by one John Rutter The first is called "A Gaelic Blessing" www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYZKjG_Des&feature=related The second is "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMP-aTqJSU Jack will be very much in the forefront of my mind on the 21st as All Saints choir performs these anthems Jonmac From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 04:54:57 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:54:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> References: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> Message-ID: There is a version of the logo in black and white... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: spitlist at cox.net To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 CC: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews That can be done but it will be much more expensive to produce because of two factors: Artwork is involved A different process has to be used (Heat transfer of colored vinyl onto the white or black substrate) It will also take longer because it is a multiple step process. Since timing is certainly an issue, please take that into consideration. Joe C. From: Gary Horstkorta [mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:27 PM To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Aug 18 14:50:21 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:50:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a real accomplishment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real > problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. > > I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is > to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I > can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color > lettering that best suits their car's colors. > Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few > blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. > > Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: > > 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat > transferred multicolored vinyl.) > > 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl > lettering) > > 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. > > > Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions > on which direction I should go. > > Regards, > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, > I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most > important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and > sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack > Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... > How can we make this happen? > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM > To: Joe Curry > Subject: RE: stickers... > > Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the > project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm > going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. > It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never > met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened > the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There > are over 30 requests as of this evening. > I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. > I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? > It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? > > If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base > > of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. > > > In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) > > #59 TR 4 (middle) > > Friends of Triumph (lower portion) > > BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has > some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM > From: Joe Curry > To: igofaster at charter.net > Subject: RE: stickers... > Size: 4 KB > > Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced > > and sent wherever necessary. > > What I need is the following: > > 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. > 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut > vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) > 3. The address of where I need to ship them. > > If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time > to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional > ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I > can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be > responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. > > > Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. > > Joe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Aug 19 06:22:15 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire Message-ID: Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here is a significant car for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:50 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a real accomplishment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real > problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. > > I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is > to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I > can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color > lettering that best suits their car's colors. > Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few > blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. > > Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: > > 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat > transferred multicolored vinyl.) > > 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl > lettering) > > 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. > > > Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions > on which direction I should go. > > Regards, > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, > I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most > important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and > sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack > Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... > How can we make this happen? > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM > To: Joe Curry > Subject: RE: stickers... > > Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the > project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm > going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. > It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never > met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened > the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There > are over 30 requests as of this evening. > I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. > I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? > It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? > > If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base > > of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. > > > In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) > > #59 TR 4 (middle) > > Friends of Triumph (lower portion) > > BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has > some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM > From: Joe Curry > To: igofaster at charter.net > Subject: RE: stickers... > Size: 4 KB > > Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced > > and sent wherever necessary. > > What I need is the following: > > 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. > 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut > vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) > 3. The address of where I need to ship them. > > If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time > to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional > ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I > can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be > responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. > > > Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. > > Joe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 06:58:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:58:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Thanks for doing this.... Two versions alternating black and white to serve contrasting colored cars seems right. 100-150 pieces may be more correct. I will take care of the costs. Joe A > I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all > be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it > would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is > the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a > real accomplishment. > Steve P. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 07:07:43 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:07:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? > diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the > number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before > and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Aug 19 07:44:27 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire Message-ID: Paul If there is anyone at this moment of time that would like us to continue our dialog about cars and racing, it would have been Jack. This is at least the second time that this racecar has been offered for sale on ebay. It is a Group 44 constructed racecar, it is not one of the team's race cars. The price has dropped considerably from when it was offered previously. If the car has been truly restored back to the original Group 44 specifications, it is worth the asking price. However, most of these cars have significant race modifications which replace the original parts and since this is a 1974, its not clear that vintage groups would accept it despite its pedigree. Since some of the original parts were specially constructed by Group 44, its difficult to replace them. These are relatively rare cars. In talking with Lanky, the team made one of these car about every year. Cary In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:22:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, macdonaldp at rogers.com writes: Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here is a significant car for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 Paul _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Tue Aug 19 07:52:23 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390808190652k1c3353f7re7ba03239cdee7e9@mail.gmail.com> http://race-cars.com/carsales/triumph/1187755735/1187755735ss.htm A. 2008/8/19 > Paul > > If there is anyone at this moment of time that would like us to > continue our dialog about cars and racing, it would have been Jack. > > This is at least the second time that this racecar has been offered > for sale on ebay. It is a Group 44 constructed racecar, it is not one of the > team's race cars. The price has dropped considerably from when it was > offered previously. > > If the car has been *truly* restored back to the original Group 44 > specifications, it is worth the asking price. However, most of these > cars have significant race modifications which replace the original > parts and since this is a 1974, its not clear that vintage groups would > accept it despite its pedigree. Since some of the original parts were > specially constructed by Group 44, its difficult to replace them. > > These are relatively rare cars. In talking with Lanky, the team > made one of these car about every year. > > Cary > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:22:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > macdonaldp at rogers.com writes: > > Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here > is a significant car for sale. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB > %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where *you* want to go. Find your travel deal * > here* . > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us their cars, they introduced us to the scene. In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. (Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. That made me feel good. As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New Blue. Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an engine that ran right, all the time. The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, actually. When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my car! Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me on my way. As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual occurrence at the Drews house. Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I did. I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to all Triumph racers who knew him. He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever could. I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to make that place better than it already was... From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 10:08:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing - MLive.co In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EAC7959-CBBD-4570-837F-287744E6BCE9@bnj.com> Nice article. I didn't think of Jack's recent surgery when I heard about the accident, I always saw Jack as being so healthy, I doubted the blackout theory, but now I'm not so sure. I remember he was a bit nervous about the surgery when I talked with him about the engine he was building for me. I like the last line of the article--" he was a very down to earth person." That's probably ultimate praise in the midwest I remember driving into Geneseo and thinking the town could be a movie set for 1950's small town america. When I pulled up with Nero in tow, Jack was sitting in his porch swing, enjoying a cigar. Later at a track somewhere I gave him one of the pre-embargo cuban cigars I hoard and it seemed he didn't know whether to smoke it or mount it on a wall. I know Jack was a sophisticated guy who had been around. He chose to live in a small town where kids can ride their bikes to the park. He chose to have a "full cleveland" leisure suit in his closet-- tanned rested and ready for the Columbia River Classic vintage party. He chose to be a "very down to earth" person. Nice guy. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:31 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Click here: Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing > - MLive.com > > Amici... > > There is a very nice article concerning Jack Drews' passing in this > morning's Grand Rapids newspaper. As you can imagine reference to > the tragic accident was sketchy on Sunday due to scant details. But > they are blessed with a serious motorsports reporter in Grand > Rapids, and he stayed on the story until he could get details. Good > for him. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 10:23:41 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 10:25:23 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:25:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Shirts (T-shirts only) honoring Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01c90218$2f290d60$8d7b2820$@racer@comcast.net> Joe/Ted: Great idea and an appropriate way to honor Uncle Jack. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Shirts (T-shirts only) honoring Jack Drews List, Ted Schumacher called a few minutes ago with a proposal to further honor Jack Drews, using the Watkins Glen T-shirts, currently in process. On the sleeve will be a Triumph Emblem with Jack's name and M/Y of birth and death. Simple and Elegant and Appropriate. I told him to go ahead with this. If anyone would like to order shirts that has not, this is the time to do it. You have 24 hours until it is released to production. If you have ordered shirts and would like to add to your order, this is also the time. Dont hesitate. Deadline: Noon 20 August 08 Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net Thank you Ted....... Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be happy to contribute to the cost of production. Gary From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:24 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 10:44:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:44:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews ------Decal Acquisition Message-ID: FOT Thanks for initiating this Bobby Whitehead. Thanks to Joe Curry for following through. And all else for inputs............. Sounds like we will have them at Watkins Glen. Contributions of any sort welcome to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund at the Glen. Outside of that, please send Snail Mail with your request and any voluntary contribution to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund. The cost of production is already covered...... I cant deal with this on email as I am backed up by over 400 emails. I may not get these out for a few weeks after I get them, as I am seriously booked up in time. (No complaint here, just a fact) Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 > Joe: > > Excellent, put me down for two please. I?ll be happy to contribute to the > cost of production. > > Gary > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 12:26:06 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:26:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.loca l> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20080819172805.7A4CF18763D@autox.team.net> Henry, I had hoped you'd do us proud at Grattan. Good job. Nice writeup, too! - Tony At 09:44 AM 8/19/2008, you wrote: >I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you >think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. >On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though >my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but >was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by >less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the >two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have >smiled... > >For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this >fraternity of misfits. > >I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at >the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race >car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were >running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't >know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife >Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is >far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real >feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us >their cars, they introduced us to the scene. > >In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue >what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. >(Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had >tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, >took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. >That made me feel good. > >As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful >ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set >out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to >build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a >breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America >in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New >Blue. > >Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs >something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare >gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had >it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me >the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I >was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to >drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. > >And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for >wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New >Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an >engine that ran right, all the time. > >The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets >showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was >sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told >Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of >course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, >actually. > >When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event >was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time >in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to >reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on >it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my >car! > >Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond >picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in >with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop >we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to >Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews >hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me >back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and >I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this >hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of >the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a >good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me >on my way. > >As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual >occurrence at the Drews house. > >Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop >and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. >Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, >and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were >wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He >always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I >did. > >I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up >the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". > >Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to >all Triumph racers who knew him. > >He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever >could. > >I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to >make that place better than it already was... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 11:50:12 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:50:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> References: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'll take ten and kick in $200. I suggest that any surplus go to the Jack Drews Menorial Fund. On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Joe: > > Excellent, put me down for two please. I?ll be happy to contribute > to the cost of production. > > Gary > > From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:24 AM > To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net > ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you > think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. > > I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4? in > diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of > two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto > the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3?. I > could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won?t > be as prominent. > I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white > decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any > color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to > the car?s paint. > The decal will have Jack?s 59 in the middle (in the same font he > used on his car) with the ?In Memory of Uncle Jack? all in black > lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. > The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I > can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them > by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. > > So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to > meet the deadline. > > Thanks, > Joe C. > > > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net > ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill > Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. > > Joe A > > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white > circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory > of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve > seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse > color scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Aug 19 12:56:50 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:56:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Joe, You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of Progressive Signs, in Denver, Colorado. 303.427.6405 . I've had him do a couple these things for me, as well as some Historic Group stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye sublimation printer. He can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is not a bullet proof image, but after some years in the sun, they still look all most new. It opens up your possibilities, there are no added costs for added colours, short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and cost is reasonable. Bill On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" writes: OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4? in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3?. I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won?t be as prominent. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car?s paint. The decal will have Jack?s 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the ?In Memory of Uncle Jack? all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate debt and lower month expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2bkbsyBwsIybZaUxztjq7fKNGSk2aKkmcHSRNS46uUgRVQ/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 13:03:52 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <61C8A08A0F6747F8964C4373775F3CAF@newcomputer> Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but I am already moving ahead with the project. Joe _____ From: William G Rosenbach [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 AM To: spitlist at cox.net Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net; fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Joe, You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of Progressive Signs, in Denver, Colorado. 303.427.6405 . I've had him do a couple these things for me, as well as some Historic Group stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye sublimation printer. He can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is not a bullet proof image, but after some years in the sun, they still look all most new. It opens up your possibilities, there are no added costs for added colours, short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and cost is reasonable. Bill On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" writes: OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 ____________________________________________________________ Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast and effective programs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am still working on distribution details. It appears that there are a number of folds who want them and are not going to be at the Glen event. I will make a formal announcement as soon as the details are worked out. Thanks, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell [mailto:dmitchel at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:17 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Joe, I'll take two of the stickers. I have your home address, and will send you a couple of bucks in the next few days. Doug Doug Mitchell 1145 Lakeside Dr. Howell, MI 48843-1329 --- Joe Curry wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but I am already > moving ahead with the > project. > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: William G Rosenbach > [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 AM > To: spitlist at cox.net > Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; > GSFuqua1 at aol.com; > igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net; > fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > > > Joe, > > You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of > Progressive Signs, in Denver, > Colorado. 303.427.6405 . > > I've had him do a couple these things for me, as > well as some Historic Group > stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye > sublimation printer. He > can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is > not a bullet proof > image, but after some years in the sun, they still > look all most new. It > opens up your possibilities, there are no added > costs for added colours, > short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and > cost is reasonable. > > Bill > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" > writes: > > OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. > See what you think and > let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. > > > > 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that > is 3-3/4" in > diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger > size because of two > factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the > decals onto the > available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it > were 3". I could do more > on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording > won't be as prominent. > 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I > do a black on white > decal with a heavy black circle on the outside > border. That way any color > car will be able to use it and not have the decal > blend in to the car's > paint. > 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in > the same font he > used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" > all in black lettering > around the perimeter just inside the black outline. > 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 > bucks. I think I > can have them finished by the end of this month so I > can ship them by > Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day > air. > > > > So I await feedback. I need to get this into work > today in order to meet > the deadline. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe C. > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; > spitlist at cox.net; > igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > > > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with > one that Bill Dentinger > did in honor of Mike Belfer. > > Joe A > > > > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about > a sold white circle (3" > diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In > Memory of" above the > number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've > seen a similar decal > before and it looks very nice. The reverse color > scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast > and effective programs. > Cys6I0sB1XVIhc930oxEMBt/> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 17:23:25 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:23:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (Drews) Thursday Invitation, Thanks to all Message-ID: <20080819232307.88F80187877@autox.team.net> For any of you planning to attend Jack's funeral on Thursday, there will be a luncheon at the church after the funeral, and you are welcome to stop by our house in Geneseo after the luncheon to celebrate Jack's life and times. We even washed the garage floor so we'd have more places to stand around and tell tall tales. 514 N. Vail, Geneseo, IL 61254. Thanks for all of the messages of sympathy and offers to help! There's so many that I can't always reply individually. We do read and appreciate each one, though. As we're sorting through affairs after this week, we may be leaning on folks for help in getting top dollar out of some of Jack's Triumph stuff (like his street TR-6). The tribute stuff is touching too. I'll definitely be sporting one of the decals when they become available. Thanks, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 17:03:00 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 18:28:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:28:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Sometime about 1989, I went to one of those boring useless meetings we were having at John Deere those days. Jack got up with his portion of the presentation. I had never met him before and he introduced himself. Jack said that his occupation was not at really at John Deere. He said, "I AM A RACE CAR DRIVER". 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Lots of bad things happened in that race, and it was probably the reason that VSCDA stopped going to Indianapolis Raceway Park. I came in after the red flag, Jack was already in the paddock. Before I had even gotten out of the car, and with tears in his eyes, he hugged me and told me that he thought it had been me that had rolled over. Another favorite memory also at IRP. My first race there was in 1999, my 3rd race ever. Jack told me that in a TR4, you could go through corner 1 flat out in 4th. I worked my way up to it, and of course he was right. Passed several guys going into 1 thanks to that tip. He never told me that I could do that in corner 2 as well. He saved that one for Tony. :-) Jack built an engine for my car, and when it was ready, I came out for the weekend so we could put it in the car and I could take the car home. We got everything installed, and the engine wouldn't turn at all. After much discussion, it was determined that the new flywheel bolts were too long. I went home that Sunday evening without my car. The next morning, around 11:00 AM, Jack called me. He said "listen to this" and my new engine roared to life. By 11:00, he had pulled the tranny, removed the flywheel, shortened the bolts, re-installed the tranny, and had it running. You guys that only met him on the phone or via email and thought he was special, you were right. The luckiest of all were the ones that got to be with him. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 19:12:00 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:12:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: <082020080104.14623.48AB6DB8000217FC0000391F2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007201c90261$c04f5e40$0302a8c0@Bud> Man!...he must have been one heck of a Guy...The email stuff is Incredible... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com #2. I was standing outside the fenceline at IRP facing the RH carousel that goes to LH turn onto the main straight. A red Turner stepped sidways, caught the sidewalls, and rolled, ending up in the infield grass The next car through was Uncle and he pulled immediately off of the track and went to the aid of the driver. I caught him in the pits, getting out of his car. He put his arms on my shoulders and lost it. He said, "I thought it was Irv". Yeah, I remember that one as well. Lots of bad things happened in that race, and it was probably the reason that VSCDA stopped going to Indianapolis Raceway Park. I came in after the red flag, Jack was already in the paddock. Before I had even gotten out of the car, and with tears in his eyes, he hugged me and told me that he thought it had been me that had rolled over. Another favorite memory also at IRP. My first race there was in 1999, my 3rd race ever. Jack told me that in a TR4, you could go through corner 1 flat out in 4th. I worked my way up to it, and of course he was right. Passed several guys going into 1 thanks to that tip. He never told me that I could do that in corner 2 as well. He saved that one for Tony. :-) Jack built an engine for my car, and when it was ready, I came out for the weekend so we could put it in the car and I could take the car home. We got everything installed, and the engine wouldn't turn at all. After much discussion, it was determined that the new flywheel bolts were too long. I went home that Sunday evening without my car. The next morning, around 11:00 AM, Jack called me. He said "listen to this" and my new engine roared to life. By 11:00, he had pulled the tranny, removed the flywheel, shortened the bolts, re-installed the tranny, and had it running. You guys that only met him on the phone or via email and thought he was special, you were right. The luckiest of all were the ones that got to be with him. Irv Korey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:38:21 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <007201c90261$c04f5e40$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <773410.14433.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Bud: Anyone who ever meet Uncle Jack could not help but be impressed with the man.? I feel fortunate to have known Uncle Jack and while my heart is heavy with the loss of my friend, my soul realizes that the light that is Uncle Jack has joined the Heavens to light my path and provide me guidance. To pick just one memory of Uncle Jack is impossible.? In general, just the way Uncle Jack would take the time to talk with people, the patience he would show with people, particularly when explaining technical things to someone who was well below his level of knowledge.? Still there was that time at IRP with Irv, Uncle Jack, myself and a Chevy pickup in the rain. Ernie Husmann --- On Tue, 8/19/08, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Man!...he must have been one heck of a Guy...The email stuff is Incredible... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 19 19:43:28 2008 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am happy to have been the benefactor of an unconditional night in Geneseo. Racing a Triumph was not a requirement to be welcomed by Jack and Frances. I will always remember the tour of Jack's garage in the morning and realizing how technologically behind I was. My desert dwelling kids got their first run through a real corn field across the street from the Drew's home. Jack, and Joe's, willingness to let an unknown guy invade the privacy of their homes, made my dream of returning and running at Road America a reality in 2005. Jack's enthusiasm and generosity have been an inspiration to me. I hope to some day be half the man and driver he was..........................Henry Morrison From: N197TR4 at cs.comDate: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:57 -0400To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.netSubject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack...#3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". 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Joe & Jan Alexander > I am happy to have been the benefactor of an unconditional night in > Geneseo. Racing a Triumph was not a requirement to be welcomed by Jack and Frances. > I will always remember the tour of Jack's garage in the morning and > realizing how technologically behind I was. My desert dwelling kids got their first > run through a real corn field across the street from the Drew's home. Jack, > and Joe's, willingness to let an unknown guy invade the privacy of their > homes, made my dream of returning and running at Road America a reality in 2005. > Jack's enthusiasm and generosity have been an inspiration to me. I hope to > some day be half the man and driver he was..........................Henry > Morrison > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 20:12:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:12:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Message-ID: Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the porch with a fine cigar. This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the house...... So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt Scotch. Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for this..... JA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 20:27:59 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 356drb at indy.net Tue Aug 19 20:33:12 2008 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:33:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> References: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On that topic, I'll opine -- Lagavulin Brett On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We enjoyed a glass (or two) of single malt scotch and a couple of > La Gloria Cubana cigars on Friday night. We had a nice evening, > discussing the upcoming weekend and Watkins Glen. I'm sure that my > mom wasn't fond of me re-introducing him to those vices, but I got > a vicarious thrill out of it. > > I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins > Glen. > > - Tony > > At 09:12 PM 8/19/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting >> on the porch with a fine cigar. >> >> This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the >> house...... >> >> So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single >> Malt Scotch. >> >> Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on >> Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a >> project manager for this..... >> >> JA > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 19 20:56:02 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:56:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: Message-ID: <006201c90270$492712e0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> We're just getting started so were only at a couple of races with Jack. Last year at the MOTRAH race at Elkhart Lake we were fortunate to be paddocked next to Jack and Tony. I think it was Friday afternoon and I asked Tony where Jack was. I had another of my inumerable questions. Tony said, "Oh, he broke his diff and went back home to get his spare axle." Sure enough, we get to the track next morning and there's Jack just finishing up installing the new axle. Ryan and I were in awe. Talk about doin' whatever it takes to get the job done! My brother was crewing for Ryan at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival last year when I was laid up with some medical problems. I asked him this week if he had met Jack Drews there. "Sure", he said. "When Ryan wanted to take me around the track during the touring session, it was Jack who rounded up a helmet for me so I could go." How typical of Uncle Jack. My brother still talks about his rides around Elkhart Lake. When we were building the car I asked Jack, via e-mail as usual, which type of gauges were better, mechanical or electrical. He said it was pretty much a matter of preference, some favored mechanical as more reliable but he thought the electrical ones were just as reliable. I asked what he used and he said mechanical because the electrical ones were an awful lot of wires. Well, being an electrical engineer I thought, what the heck, I can do that. Well, I did it, but, like Jack said, there are an awful lot of wires!!! Seems like it took me weeks to make up the wires and get everything wired in. When I got done, I really understood what he meant. It if wasn't for all of Jack's help, we wouldn't have near the car we have now nor would it run near as good. Not only that, but we'd probably still be fixing and sorting out all the things that we wouldn't have done right the first time if not for his advice. He was our "chief mechanic" in absentia!! Plus, we've got all the good stuff, thanks to Uncle Jack, like the Southwick axle and front hubs, the front axles that don't flex and that gorgeous lightweight steel flywheel that was almost too pretty to put in the car, etc. Tim Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... #3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". (I am sure it was a point of discussion in the tower, too) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Aug 19 21:30:39 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C32@server.Triumph.local> I've already mentioned a couple of my treasured memories, but this needs to be said. Nobody in the Triumph racing community has done more for the safety of his fellow racers than Jack Drews. While there are many people out there that have developed safety enhancements for their own car, I know of no one who has championed the cause of making good racing upgrades available to the masses at near cost like Jack did. I will not list what he has accomplished here for the fear of leaving something out. Our sport suffered a tremendous loss, but nowhere near the loss the Drews family and the world has suffered. I'm really going to miss you, Jack... From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 19 21:32:23 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:32:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing it after roughly 20 years. Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of you for, well, being each and every one of you. I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to settle for a T shirt and a sticker. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 21:44:34 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:44:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> References: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20080820034433.0E872187666@autox.team.net> Mark, without your electronic wizardry, there would be no "friends of triumph". I enjoyed our time together at Hallett. We will toast you and the electrons you push at the Glen. Toast us back, please. - Tony At 10:32 PM 8/19/2008, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a >cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley >now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. >Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. >Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing >it after roughly 20 years. > >Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark >cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in >memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide >such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires >makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of >you for, well, being each and every one of you. > >I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a >glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to >settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > >mjb. > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 22:53:10 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:53:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> References: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'd spend some time with your list but I'm much more fond of drinking scotch than talking about it. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a > cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the > barley > now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. > Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the > years. > Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing > it after roughly 20 years. > > Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark > cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in > memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide > such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires > makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of > you for, well, being each and every one of you. > > I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a > glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to > settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:24:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:24:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808192224w4e2c76e9tb2a6e1318214b46b@mail.gmail.com> Cannot think of a finer manager than Babcock of such vices. I'll bring a good bottle. 2008/8/19 > Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the > porch with a fine cigar. > > This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the > house...... > > So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt > Scotch. > > Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday > Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for > this..... > > JA > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:37:53 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:37:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices.. Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808192237p55661224obcd4705fd664d4e2@mail.gmail.com> aH MARK, i BET YOU GET A FEW ORE HITS ON THAT LIST NOW! CHUCK On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a > cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley > now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. > Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. > Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing > it after roughly 20 years. > > Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark > cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in > memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide > such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires > makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of > you for, well, being each and every one of you. > > I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a > glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to > settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 23:45:20 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:45:20 +0100 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48A23A1E015996A3@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Hi Tony, Here is my favourite story; not really racing related but is worthy of recording. In 2007 Jon Wood and I were staying with Jack and Francis for a short period fitting a new engine and suspension to my TR4 when Jack casually mentions that he has something that he would like to show us; he said nothing more than that. Later that day he followed up his earlier comment by asking us to jump into his car as there was a trip arranged!!! Both Jon and I got in the car and he drove us a few short miles to a line of storage units in deepest Geneseo; when we arrived he simply said 'There you are; just look at that'. Now looking at a row of lock-ups is nice but not that nice.... To my surprise one of the lock-ups opened up and out came 2 of the oddest people you could meet; one gruff and short on words and the other short and very long on words. We were taken into this rabbit warren of inter-connected lock-ups where we were met with a vision that you could never have expected in a million years; row after row of vintage Packards in various stages of restoration. There was also a hidden museum that contained the best of the best restorations and the collection included a Cadillac V16 from the 1930's' what an impressive beast that was. After much banter and coffee, the owner says to the gruff one 'go get the maroon car'. The maroon car was a Packard V12. All three of us were taken for a chauffeur driven ride in the V12 around Geneseo with all 3 of us grinning like Cheshire Cats; this was the icing on the cake and Jack was in his element. Jack knew so many people, had so many friends and connections that you never knew what was going to happen next; this was a major treat for us and a memory of Jack that will stay with me forever. Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: 20 August 2008 00:03 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Aug 20 06:32:22 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:32:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> References: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74D5C3F0@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> My favorite memory of Jack is a simple one - just his smile at the end of the day on Saturdays in the paddock, sitting around that little plastic picnic table with a good glass of scotch and his family around and a nice race car to look at. If there's a definition of happiness in a mental snapshot, that's mine. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 20 07:39:27 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <639574.27878.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been lucky these last few years to have spent some time working with Jack in his garage. My cold winter drives to Geneseo would always be rewarded with the best shop talk and Triumph stories. For some reason Jack agreed to let me work with him in building my first tractor motor - I think that he could tell that I really wanted to know how it was done. Eventually he even taught me how to port a head. Garage time with Jack is truly my favorite memory. I'll really miss knowing that he is out there. Dennis Tony Drews wrote: One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 20 08:15:47 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:15:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/19/2008 9:29:11 PM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > << Gloria Cubana cigars on Friday night. We had a nice evening, discussing the > upcoming weekend and Watkins Glen. I'm sure that my mom wasn't fond of me > re-introducing him to those vices, but I got a vicarious thrill out of it. >>> > At the Swan Motel (Comstock Park, Michigan) I saw Jack coming down from the > second floor and going to Tony's room on the first floor. We chatted, and > Jack told me how GREAT he felt, "Never better!". He also told me he was on > his way to join Tony to enjoy some fine cigars. I told him that would be > great, but I had a date. Shirley was along this trip. > <<< I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins Glen. >>> As will I, as will I. Bill Dentinger > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Wed Aug 20 09:14:34 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:14:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <012501c902d7$74ecf400$0300a8c0@Desktop> It looks like I can't be at the Glen but I'd like to a propose a toast to Uncle Jack on Saturday the 6th of September at 8:00PM EDT where ever you are raise a glass of the good stuff Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 20 09:23:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:23:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] A word about the Single Malt Society At the Glen.....for Uncle jack Message-ID: FOT The Single Malt Society is one of those loosely knit non-organizations. It began when Tom Fansher brought me a bottle of fine single malt in appreciation for Jack & I transporting an OD Transmission from Kentucky to the Walter Mitty. This was the beginning of another great friendship for Jack & me, in Tom & Janet Fansher. The Single Malt Society convenes whenever there is a bottle available among friends and followers of single malt. This, with the addition of some fine cigars will likely materialize Saturday Night in the Triumph Paddock at Watkins Glen. Perhaps Tom & Janet will be there in spirit, at least. JA Again there are no SMS rules, dues, meetings or Board of Directors. No need. > <<< I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins > Glen. >>> > > As will I, as will I. > Bill Dentinger > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 20 09:37:32 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:37:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals Message-ID: FOT: Thanks to all who provided the impetus for this to happen. (Bobby Whitehead, et. al) Joe Curry is proceeding with production of the Decals in order to make them available at the Glen. The production costs are being supplied by a prominent western FoT and backed up by another prominent west coast FOT. The excess of their largesse will be applied to: The Jack Drews Memorial Fund The decals have no price attached. We will provide them at the Glen and if you wish to make a contribution to the Memorial Fund, so be it. Optional. Might take the form of a Cigar Box, Piggy Bank, or empty container for Single Malt Scotch. Same with mail requests. Send request in mail with return address. Label would be nice and will get first consideration. Donation would be entirely optional. Production quantity will be limited to 300 pieces and will be a one time run. Thanks, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 20 09:45:13 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:45:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C48C08AA838424F98152C6491B784D7@newcomputer> I have only one thing to add to Joe's message. If you send in a SASE make sure it is large enough to fit a 3-3/4" decal into. This is slightly larger than the others I have done so that needs to be said. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals FOT: Thanks to all who provided the impetus for this to happen. (Bobby Whitehead, et. al) Joe Curry is proceeding with production of the Decals in order to make them available at the Glen. The production costs are being supplied by a prominent western FoT and backed up by another prominent west coast FOT. The excess of their largesse will be applied to: The Jack Drews Memorial Fund The decals have no price attached. We will provide them at the Glen and if you wish to make a contribution to the Memorial Fund, so be it. Optional. Might take the form of a Cigar Box, Piggy Bank, or empty container for Single Malt Scotch. Same with mail requests. Send request in mail with return address. Label would be nice and will get first consideration. 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URL: From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 20 10:18:43 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with that...although I think Jack would leave the choice of our favorite adult beverage to each of us. Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing Good Morning I am wondering if any of the rest of you had Jack call from his garage with a cigar in hand, drinking a malt, and tell you to listen to the engine run over the telephone. Some years ago, Vince Lombardi made a statement about priorities in life, saying something like "God, Family, & Football". It seems that Uncle Jack has left us with a potential FOT toast; "God, Family & Racing". Obviously this can only be said while drinking a single malt and smoking a cigar with the sounds of a race engine running in the background. Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 20 10:31:55 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:31:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack's Legacy Message-ID: <001c01c902e2$426fd6e0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Now that the shock is beginning to wear off I've had time to consider Uncle Jack's legacy. At the top of the list for me would have to be Tony Drews. When I'd send an e-mail with one of my many questions it was always to the "Drews", Jack and Tony. Many times I'd hear from Tony first,and if it was an engine question, he'd defer to Jack, or as he'd usually say, "I'll think I'll let Uncle Jack chime in on this one." But on a lot of the other questions Tony would get back to me promptly with an answer. I think he was taking some of the "load" off of Jack, especially as I see all of the other posts from people that Jack was helping. Tony has also been very active on the list as we all know and, as Jack was, in answering questions and giving input to the threads. While we were building the car we'd seek out Jack and Tony at Elkhart Lake and Tony would spend whatever time it took to go over things with us. I recall when he spent about 1/2 hour reviewing his fuel system, pump, filter, regulator, pressure gauge, plumbing, fittings, mounting, the whole works. Again, after the car was built and after ELVF last Fall when we had a problem with the transmission and I finally got around to fixing it last winter and realized I'd have to get the OD off (and back on!) I e-mailed the "Drews" again and it was Tony who gave me advice. But the part that shows that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree", is in one post when I was having my doubts about doing it and Tony says, "Well, I guess I'll just take a weekend holiday in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin if you really get into trouble." That turned out not to be necessary, but he was willing to take a weekend and drive up here to help another Triumph team. I said in my "memories" post that the car wouldn't be what it is and as problem free as it has been without the help from Uncle Jack. I should have said without the help and encouragement from the "Drews", Jack and Tony. I think Jack's helpfulness, kindness and graciousness is living on in Tony. Any father would be happy and proud to leave this world knowing he was leaving a son like Tony behind. To me that's Uncle Jack's greatest legacy. Tim Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Aug 20 12:23:31 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:23:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... References: Message-ID: <008501c902f1$da84cd00$b2680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Damn, another fine pair of vices i did not get to share with Jack. I believe in something called the "communion of saints" and part of my belief in it is that those of us who have gone to their Creator ahead of us still share their old earthly joys with their living friends. So, when we light up and sip, I am sure he will be in our midst. my fondest Jack Story is one that is partially lost to a failed memory. A few years ago, there were races near Omaha. Very early Sunday morning we were all treated to the sight of Jack rolling in oil and grease unter his TR4. There was a steady stream of insult and byplay that Jack was always on top of. Wish i could remember the details but we were laughing so hard we almost cried. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the porch with a fine cigar. This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the house...... So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt Scotch. Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for this..... 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URL: From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Aug 20 12:51:39 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:51:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A word about the Single Malt Society At the Glen.....forUncle jack Message-ID: <380-220088320185139860@M2W039.mail2web.com> Sounds very similar to another loosely knit non-organization I am familiar with... ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:23:14 EDT To: BillDentin at aol.com, tony at tonydrews.com, tfansher at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A word about the Single Malt Society At the Glen.....forUncle jack FOT The Single Malt Society is one of those loosely knit non-organizations... Again there are no SMS rules, dues, meetings or Board of Directors. No need... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 20 13:56:17 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Favorite momory of Jack Message-ID: <001401c902fe$cf3474c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: rpm724 at att.net To: tony at tonydrews.com Cc: Tim Murphy Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Favorite momory of Jack I met "Uncle" Jack at Road America in the late 90's when I was there as a spectator and asked him where to get a header for my street TR4. He was very nice, and my dad and I talked with him and complimented his beautiful TR4 (old blue). Years later my dad and I were building our own TR4 race car, and Jack helped every step of the way. He invited us into his home, showed us his car, and we had a nice lunch together. I was impressed with his ingenuity and car. I couldn't believe he built his own flow bench. I was impressed that "Uncle" Jack had a tremendous wealth of skill and knowlege, but wasn't full of himself. He was very down to earth and willing to answer our questions. In the years to come my dad and I were fortunate enough to paddock next to Jack and Tony. I am probably the youngest person racing a TR-4 in vintage racing, so I really did see Jack as "Uncle" Jack. I couldn't believe he remained so calm when something on his car would break, or the lengths he would go to to finish the week-end, like putting his rear end assembly in the back of his van and driving 4 hours home and back again to rebuild it. I always looked forward to seeing "Uncle" Jack at the races. Being new to racing, I looked up to him as an example of how to act and race in Vintage Racing. "Uncle" Jack was a class act all the way. Sincerely, Ryan Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Aug 20 13:58:17 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:58:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT t.shirt Message-ID: <48AC7759.1070205@bright.net> Great job FOTer's. The Jack Drews "memorial" t.shirt is in process. We ran some extra shirts in the most popular sizes - L & XL. These will be available at Watkins Glen. There is a group called Motor Sports Ministries. They service Pro road races and some amateur events.. A good group doing good work. We will be donating some of the shirt proceed to Motor Sports Ministries in Jack's name. Thought that would meet with everyone's, including Jack's, approval. Thanks for the response and thanks to Scott Janzen for coordinating the project. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From andre at gt6.ca Thu Aug 21 05:49:55 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Traded the GT6 in for a Spit Message-ID: <4362ae390808210449n1486d668g4b1339bf030f3be@mail.gmail.com> Took a little wheeling and dealing, but... http://www.gt6.ca/08/0820/slides/IMG_0506.html http://www.gt6.ca/08/0820/slides/IMG_0507.html A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Aug 21 07:36:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <48AD6F40.8070207@pobox.com> Henry, Thanks for sharing your story. When I read it I thought I should tell mine too. But then I realized that mine differs in detail but not in substance. There are probably 100 others like it. The man helped a lot of us. I wonder how he found time to work on his own stuff. I really enjoyed our many technical discussions. He was an integral part of my camshaft project. I will miss him greatly. Larry Young Henry Frye wrote: > I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you > think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. > On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though > my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but > was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by > less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the > two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have > smiled... > > For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this > fraternity of misfits. > > I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at > the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race > car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were > running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't > know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife > Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is > far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real > feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us > their cars, they introduced us to the scene. > > In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue > what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. > (Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had > tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, > took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. > That made me feel good. > > As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful > ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set > out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to > build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a > breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America > in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New > Blue. > > Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs > something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare > gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had > it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me > the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I > was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to > drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. > > And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for > wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New > Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an > engine that ran right, all the time. > > The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets > showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was > sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told > Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of > course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, > actually. > > When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event > was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time > in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to > reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on > it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my > car! > > Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond > picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in > with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop > we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to > Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews > hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me > back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and > I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this > hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of > the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a > good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me > on my way. > > As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual > occurrence at the Drews house. > > Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop > and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. > Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, > and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were > wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He > always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I > did. > > I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up > the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". > > Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to > all Triumph racers who knew him. > > He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever > could. > > I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to > make that place better than it already was... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Aug 21 08:45:36 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our thoughts are with his family and friends. What a loss for everyone. I was going to part out the TR6 I got last week. Maybe it will go to the track instead... 2008/8/19 > In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:45:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > > Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > > > I have been away from my computer at an event in WA...I read of Jack's > demise in the newspaper this morning. > > It is so sad, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. > > Heaven has another bright star today. > > My sincere condolences > > Leon F Guyot > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 21 11:03:34 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <157608.7861.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, For anyone interested, here is the link to the report for Uncle Jack's accident from the Grattan Race log. http://www.michiganturnmarshals.org/News.htm I have had a few conversations with the Chief of F&C for the event, and he gave his approval to send this link along. In addition, although I had only met Jack a couple of times at Grattan, I quickly learned that he was a very inventive person, developing solutions to help out any TR owner/driver. Doug -- dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 21 16:02:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Decals Message-ID: <1790DCE007D14BC1A458F26E01FEF573@newcomputer> Folks, One of our members seems to have gotten a different impression about what the decals are going to be that intended. I thought I was perfectly clear in letting people know what they are going to look like. So to be very clear on this, here is what they will be: First they are going to be printed on White Vinyl. They will be 3 ?? in diameter. (a circle) There will be Jack?s number in the center (in black) Around the outside perimeter will be a heavy black band so that the decals can be seen on any color of paint. Inside the top of the heavy black band will be the words ?In Memory of ? (above the number) in black Inside the bottom of the heavy band will be the words ?Uncle Jack? (below the number) in black. 300 of these are being produced. If anyone got a different idea as Cary did about what I was printing, please let me know. Regards, Joe C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mini at wi.rr.com Thu Aug 21 20:45:29 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: All of us at Stonefield Vintage Racing would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the entire Drews family during this time. Jack obviously made a lot of friends and is going to be missed. I would always use Jack as a bench mark as to how my son Daniel was running in his mini. Faster then Jack - doing very good, running with Jack - doing OK, slower then Jack - something's wrong. Richard Gehweiler Stonefield Vintage Racing mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 21 22:16:52 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front Message-ID: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take much wiping down. So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on the inner end of the front upright? ~Steve From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 22 07:46:19 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> As I recall, the spindle is tapered where goes into the upright. On a taper with a locknut, I usually tighten it into the taper good with a plain nut then remove the plain nut and put the Nylok nut on. The taper should hold it once it's snugged up good. Could be your left caliper hanging up the pistons a bit and they are dragging on the disc a bit all the time. Did you rebuild the calipers recently with new seals or pistons? If not, might be worth checking. I haven't noticed any difference in brake dust left to right but we haven't run that many events either. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Aug 22 07:52:52 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:52:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front In-Reply-To: <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <01a901c9045e$5f6b8a50$1342a8c0@semperon3400> More important than more brake dust on the one side wheel is if the pads are wearing more on the one side than the other. If the pads are not wearing evenly there is something going on. Bleed the brakes as a first step. Or... Could be aerodynamics! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:46 AM To: Steven Belfer; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] More brake dust on left front As I recall, the spindle is tapered where goes into the upright. On a taper with a locknut, I usually tighten it into the taper good with a plain nut then remove the plain nut and put the Nylok nut on. The taper should hold it once it's snugged up good. Could be your left caliper hanging up the pistons a bit and they are dragging on the disc a bit all the time. Did you rebuild the calipers recently with new seals or pistons? If not, might be worth checking. I haven't noticed any difference in brake dust left to right but we haven't run that many events either. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:26:47 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:26:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP Message-ID: Amici... Just got back from two days in Geneseo, Illinois for Uncle Jack's wake and funeral. Garrison Kiellor (sp?) talks about an idyllic little country town called Lake Woebegone, where life is good, there are few troubles and all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and the children are all above average. It is supposed to be in Minnesota, but I am convinced it is Geneseo in western Illinois. Sure seems that way to me. And all the women are strong, but Frances Drews is the strongest. Of course it was sad, but it was also beautiful. The turnout from the racing community in general and the FOT in particular was outstanding, causing the pastor to comment at the service, "I'm not used to this kind of turn out for a middle of the week funeral." Lest I miss someone, I'll not try to list everyone, but suffice to say at the wake there was a greeting line that wound through the building and out to the street from 4 PM until 6:30 PM. FOTers and other racing friends met after the wake at a local restaurant called, The Cellar for dinner and liquid refreshments. I suspect we helped set a Wednesday Night Record for The Cellar, and I'll bet Jack was there too. I'll let other embellish the rest of the tale.... Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:43:43 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:43:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] One last piece of info... Message-ID: Amici.... One last thing....not sure if this has been mentioned before, but while in Geneseo, Illinois these past two days, I learned something very interesting. Jack Drews' mother's maiden name was Quick. No kidding! How appropriate is that? Why am I not surprised? Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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FWIW The infrared sensor is a handy diagnostic tool to see if things are going bad, especially if you have some baseline or "normal" readings. We've been taking about 10 readings when the car comes off the track. May drop some of the readings and add others, like front of the block versus rear to see if we're overheating on #4. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Aug 22 12:02:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP Message-ID: <001001c90481$46ce2f7c$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 22 13:28:05 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> References: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48AF1345.1010005@pobox.com> I hesitate to tell this story, because it resulted from a screwup by Jack. But what the heck, we all know he was a great mechanic, but everyone makes mistakes. I know I make my share. My son Tom remarked, "See dad, even a guru can make a mistake." This was the only time I ever got to wrench directly with Jack. This occurred during our weekend at Hallett in 2006. Jack broke a valve on the very first day. We had the rocker cover off and he tapped one rocker with a hammer and the valve stem flew up in the air. Next step was to pull the head. We noticed that he had accidentally reversed the front two cylinder liners, so the chamfer on the edge of the liner was in the wrong place. The intake valves were smacking the top of the liner. He mulled over the situation and I offered to loan him a spare head that I had at home (in Tulsa). We took the car back to my garage rather than work at the track. We ground a chamfer on the liners where is was supposed to be, mocked everything up and checked to make sure the valves had plenty of clearance. Put my head on and he was good to go. It was fun to work with him. There was also several FoT over that evening which was great fun. Unfortunately, our fix to Jack's engine didn't last. I think the valve pounding on the liner had transmitted a lot of force to the camshaft and the gear for the distributor and oil pump. The camshaft failed the next day. We got a chance to work again in my garage on Saturday night to replace a split cylinder liner in my engine. Jack was smart and turned in early (after all the guy was 70 and had heart problems). Bob Kramer and Tony Drews hung with me until we got it done just in time to watch the clock change from 2am to 3am daylight savings time. We were successful with the fix, but still had a persistent miss the next day. What the heck, at least we had a chance to compete on Sunday. I will always remember pulling that all nighter working in the garage with friends. The mental image of Jack and Tony that I will never forget is seeing a red and blue TR4 head to tail as they went screaming around Blackhawk farms in 2006. Larry Young Tony Drews wrote: > One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks > write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of > you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his > celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and > responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). > > If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll > make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you > feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. > > From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 22 15:52:01 2008 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <453608.16876.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ???? Just wanted?to add my condolences to the?Drew family it was a numbing feeling when I heard of his death. Jack was just a great bloke always willing to help. All will sadly miss him. 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Drews, RIP To: "Henry Frye" , BillDentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:20 PM I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. ? D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 18:38:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP References: <444111.80531.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c904b8$9584ed20$0302a8c0@Bud> I hope I never have to see another big city and it's traffic/congestion/hyperactivity/ as long as I live..I'm done!....Maybe it's just the big metro cities that are crazy.. When I fly into Pensacola to visit my daughter, as soon as I get off the plane in their small airport...I'm relaxed....seems like the whole tempo is different than California Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Husmann To: Henry Frye ; BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; Dennis DeLap Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP There are lots of small town people who feel they have missed out on something because they don't live in a big city. I see people stopping for funerals, giving way to safety vehicles, and I do so myself. Still the older I get the more I miss my small town roots. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Dennis DeLap wrote: From: Dennis DeLap Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP To: "Henry Frye" , BillDentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:20 PM I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________http://www.team.net/donate.htmlFot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 19:50:35 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP References: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c904c2$a2f56ed0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> Same thing in Dahlonega, GA when my Dad died. A very nice thing. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis DeLap To: Henry Frye ; BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. 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URL: From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 23 07:06:21 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:06:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: References: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> Message-ID: <002e01c90521$0a27cd10$1e776730$@net> Bill Warner I believe. It's the former John Kelly Grp 44 car. I worked on this car at Summit Point years ago and it is pretty impressive to say the least. He is also registered with the former Tullius then Newman TR-6. That car, before it was restored lived about 5 miles from me. At that point it was still in its silver and black livery. At a point after that, Bill acquired it and had a spectacular restoration job done. The complete current actual registered entry list is available at www.svra.com . Just click on the event and there is an entry list by name. It was last updated 8/20 so maybe there are more by now. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:52 AM To: Russ Moore; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen I only counted 2 TR7/8s from Joe's list. Which car is the third? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: August 23, 2008 8:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 23 07:32:59 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:32:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/22/2008 9:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time, GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: > Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year > and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the > outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with > friends. > I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marty 2008/8/23 Russ Moore 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Aug 23 08:15:07 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:15:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C3F@server.Triumph.local> As I remember it, (always a shaky thing to count on) both Jack's car and the Thunderbolt suffered from improperly installed liners at that race. I remember walking up to a large crowd of gawkers around the Thunderbolt as Jack had the biggest pair of ChannelLock pliers I have ever seen in his hands. He had those pliers clamped around a liner that was pulled out of the block a few inches and was turning it to the proper orientation. While there were many of us shaking our heads in disbelief, that is the sight I remember. While I saw those ChannelLocks and immediately went out a bought a pair, I promise I have never used them to turn a liner in a built engine. Then, when his car suffered the broken valve for the same problem, he chose to grind the relief in the correct place, leaving his liner seated in the block. An all-nighter was held at Larry's place, I remember some great hospitality from Larry's wife as a crowd of Triumph guys descended upon her house. But weekends like these are not the way I choose to remember uncle jack. I'll remember all those great weekends where we ran hard and I put my car away wet. Jack would never put his car away wet... Henry Frye Triumph Technology Consultants 860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... > > I think Jack was > working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly > was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in > wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an > effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an > ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight > gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and > left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of > kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than > he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to > first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to > get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't > remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I > returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got > the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate > milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a > BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea.) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 23 08:29:19 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: Message-ID: <003301c9052c$a40cec20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Bill, Larry may have remembered the liner issue as the cause of Jack's car being down incorrectly but the rest of the story was most likely accurate. As I remember it Jack had some issue and they put the head on Jack's car. The next day his camshaft failed putting Jack out for the weekend, making the head available for the liner spinning exercise. These details aren't a big deal, and do not affect what is another great Jack story, but in this case Jack's car went down because of a part failure that he quickly went on to analyzing. I don't know if a universal answer to the cause of the camshaft failure was ever arrived at but Jack had a cam that was ground on one a new remanufactured blank. He surmised that there was a issue with the camshaft distributor drive gear hobbing on these aftermarket cores, affecting its mating with the distributor drive gear. The evidence was in the wear on the drive gear. Jack at work. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; cartravel at pobox.com ; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: saabhuman at netscape.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In a message dated 08/22/2008 9:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time, GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with friends. I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 23 08:54:25 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:54:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/23/2008 9:28:34 AM Central Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > Larry may have remembered the liner issue as the cause of Jack's car being > down incorrectly but the rest of the story was most likely accurate. As I > remember it Jack had some issue and they put the head on Jack's car. The next > day his camshaft failed putting Jack out for the weekend, making the head > available for the liner spinning exercise. > Bob... Well, Henry's comments jogged my memory, and Larry was, in fact, correct. But Jack Drews turning the liners on the Thunder Bolt (same Hallett event) is also true. I've got pictures. What I had wrong in the story was that I used Larry's head at that event. In fact, Jack Drews lent the head to me at another event (probably BLACKHAWK) and I used it, before it was returned to Larry. Just another part of the legend of how TRIUMPH folk help each other out. I apologize for getting the story wrong. I am closer to 70 than 69, and I don't remember stuff too good these days. I can't remember if I had breakfast...until I look in the mirror. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B03037.70209@pobox.com> Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett > story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our > Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The > two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and > Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an > ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got > compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a > grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far > more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of > Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and > then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't > remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to > Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the > oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change > the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that > was a bad idea. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Aug 23 09:58:02 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:58:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: I was aware of that work going on but not too involved as I was changing an engine myself. But I well remember the disappointment of not having those two cars on track with us. Steve In a message dated 8/23/2008 8:45:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry _BillDentin at aol.com_ (mailto:BillDentin at aol.com) wrote: I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (_http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 23 10:16:19 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C17EF43F59748A4B6C08CEF165D9F35@KasPC> I've put the great photo that Bill Dentinger had of Crafty Jack caught in the act, hard at work with trustworthy tools in my last book (Myths) on page 38 with the story of Jack and Tony racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: cartravel at pobox.com ; BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; saabhuman at netscape.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... I was aware of that work going on but not too involved as I was changing an engine myself. But I well remember the disappointment of not having those two cars on track with us. Steve In a message dated 8/23/2008 8:45:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry BillDentin at aol.com wrote: I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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URL: From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 23 10:17:32 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:17:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808230541m4d1cc8e0ud867a36f9d576bd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> <4362ae390808230541m4d1cc8e0ud867a36f9d576bd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <006601c9053b$bfa0b700$3ee22500$@net> We lost two wonderful GT-6 racers this year with the passing of "Doc" Ed Ceilley and Mike Cammarata. Both these folks lost a battle with cancer. They, along with Jack Drews and others have given me memories and friendships I will never forget. Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andre Rousseau Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:42 AM Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen Oh that settles it. I so need to get into Vintage racing and run a GT6. A. 2008/8/23 Russ Moore 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Aug 23 10:58:21 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:58:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Thanks Bill. The memory is not always what it used to be but I certainly do remember the Thunder Bolt. What a beauty. I took several pictures of it on and off the track. Still stand by my original statement of "Just shows that regardless of the outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with friends." 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It bears repeating the intial production costs and a substantial contribution to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund is in place, from two of our finest West Coasters. I am going to set up an excel spreadsheet for Wife Jan and she is going to track the information on the spreadsheet for final accounting. Donations will be held in confidence, but will get earlier delivery consideration. Thanks, Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Sat Aug 23 20:38:27 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. In-Reply-To: <000d01c90592$5da2e350$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> References: <5DF70B9D02BE419D8E6DCF4FC228C483@newcomputer> <000d01c90592$5da2e350$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> Message-ID: Thanks. Joe sent both his numbers to me and we have since communicated _____ From: David Talbott [mailto:dtalbott at archrepro.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:38 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. His cell is (319) 464-4711 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. The subject line says it all. I need to call Joe to coordinate the Uncle Jack decal shipment and don't have the number. Joe C. _____ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 24 00:35:02 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:35:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett memories Message-ID: <48B10116.9060306@bradakis.com> Hallett was a memorable weekend for me. The very fact I was there is a testament to the quality of the people on this list. And the Young family hospitality was more than I expected. I believe that weekend was the last time I saw Jack in person. I don't remember the details of the troubles with his car or the Thunderbolt, I do remember working on the problem caused by a broken internal return spring in one of the Weber carbs on Tony's car. And things like tornado force winds and the big top, a Suburban that gave its all to get there, Mordy cooking up burgers, a phone message from the portable toilet company regarding an issue with my order for the IVR race in Wendover the next weekend. There are some things I really miss about running those IVR events, and there are some I am glad to do without. Getting back behind the wheel of a racing Triumph would do me good, though. It would have been nice to have the Drews at last year's Kastner Cup race here in Utah. So it goes. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 24 07:53:53 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:53:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Test Day for #197 Next Stop: The Glen Message-ID: FoT: I guess I am pretty excited about this. Sean & I are going to test #197 in the Cedar Falls Industrial Park this morning at 11:00AM....until the police come. Head Work by Uncle Jack, including a run on his test stand the week before Grattan. Transmission is by Riverside Sports Cars in Swisher, Iowa with some global support. Cam is by Larry Young. It takes an FOT Village to build a Vintage Triumph. Excited about seeing everyone at the Glen. Jack will be proud of us all. Joe, Sean, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at microworks.net Sun Aug 24 16:18:30 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and helmet cam Message-ID: <20080824222051.HGAO6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Here is a karting race report from last weekend and for those interested is a really nice in-car camera setup to use on their Triumph that is really low cost I recommend the Motorsport camera from GoProCamera.com. I bought a helmet mounted camera and we used it last weekend at the race in Albuquerque. We ended up having a horrible bog at times and in the video you can see Tyler raise his right arm in frustration when the bog hits him. http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=89 When we got there for the practice only Friday sessions we did not change anything on our setup from our last race down here in the Valley. First session was just to set a baseline, knowing that our carb jetting would be way rich and that our gearing would not be right either. After the first practice we leaned out the main jet from 175 to 165 and went back out. Engine ran better. After the second session we changed the gearing. Went from an 18/22 to an 18/24. The third session seemed good. Saturday morning we went out for first practice with the same setup we ended Friday on. Tyler came back in and I asked him what I needed to change or adjust. He said the kart was perfect. I did not have a transponder on the kart for that session but our MyChron Data logger showed a best lap time of 55.36. For the second practice session I just checked the air in the tires. Tyler came to a stop on track which made me worry that maybe the air had gone bad and we had burned a piston by going too lean on our jetting. After the session I ran out with the stand to bring the kart in and he said it just quit on him. Back in the paddock the problem was quickly apparent. No gas. For the qualifying session we thought we would not have any issues but as I was going over the kart one last time before putting it on the ground to get ready to head to grid I noted that the chain seemed "tight". I loosened up the motor mounts to bring the motor rearward to put some slack in the chain and as I was tightening down the mounts I could see the chain going tight again. Seems that one of the cross bolts that holds the motor to the mount had come loose and partially backed out. Got that pushed back through and fixed. Out he went for qualifying. Tyler came back in complaining that the motor was jumping and the drive was really bad and that the kart had been bogging really bad coming out of the corners. In my rush to get the chain issue fixed I had loosened up the bolts that held the rear sprocket together and they had worked loose and partially separated. Damn. Fixed the gear but Tyler's time in qualifying was not very good putting him toward the back of the grid for the race. When it was time to head to grid for the race we could see a storm blowing in and we were getting some rain drops. As the karts headed out onto track the front edge of the storm hit. Air temps dropped and there was a huge tailwind coming down the front straight just as the kart came through turns 3 & 4 of the oval onto the straight. The air density went up 2,000 feet from when the karts rolled out onto track and by the time they came around to take the green. Anybody with good jetting was know marginal and anybody that was marginal was dead in their tracks. We were way off on jetting with a huge rich bog. Tyler came in early it was so bad. That night in the hotel room Benn and I reviewed the video from the race and from listening to the audio we decided that I needed to move our "Magic Can" (gravity fuel feed) further back on the seat and higher up. Sunday morning I moved the Magic Can but the practice session was the same as the previous day. Rich bog coming off the corners. Showed the video to a few other guys and we decided that I should lean out the pilot jet. Did that (from a 52 to a 48) and went out for qualifying. It was better but still not right. We were still gridded toward the back and behind karts we normally are gridded well in front of. We discussed with Tyler that he was just going to have to drive around the problem. Like instead of being in 6th gear coming off the throttle into the oval he might want to be in 5th gear with the motor screaming so that the carb slide was open allowing in air so as to keep the carb from flooding. As you can see in the video of that race as long as he did not have to come off the throttle he was able to run down karts with ease but as soon as he got into traffic and had to start playing with the throttle the engine would go into a bog. Figure I will have to bite the bullet and invest in a pump around carb setup. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:34:40 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <782584.5966.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Like many others I was shocked and saddened when I heard about Jack Drews. ? I never had?the opportunity to meet Jack in person, but did contact him once by phone to order a set of his front axles.? When the axles arrived I was thoroughly impressed by the dimensional accuracy and finish of these stronger after market components, which I quickly installed on my TR-6 autocrosser.? ? Many of us are driving much safer?Triumphs because of the technical support and?stronger parts that Jack made available so I definitely want to express my gratitude for all of?Jack's excellent contributions. ? Jim Prettyleaf ?? 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Hope this observation is not taken as criticism, but rather as constructive observation. Many if not most athletes it seems are not capable of stepping down gracefully from positions of glory, and the consequences are often painful if not tragic. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Prettyleaf To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Like many others I was shocked and saddened when I heard about Jack Drews. I never had the opportunity to meet Jack in person, but did contact him once by phone to order a set of his front axles. When the axles arrived I was thoroughly impressed by the dimensional accuracy and finish of these stronger after market components, which I quickly installed on my TR-6 autocrosser. Many of us are driving much safer Triumphs because of the technical support and stronger parts that Jack made available so I definitely want to express my gratitude for all of Jack's excellent contributions. 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Head & Intake Manifold is Uncle Jack's with 11+:1 Compression & with Mike Belfer's old 87mm flatop Hepolites. Con Rods are Uncle Jack's version of the Chevy Rod Conversion. Crane Ignition and my favorite carbs ZS-175s. Then there is a bunch of ARE stuff hung on it...Carb Heat Shield, Front Alloy Engine Plate, Rocker Arm Spacers, Torque Reaction Arm, Flywheel Dust Shield, 10# Steel Flywheel....Kas' Velocity Stacks. Buy some of this stuff. I just wrote a big check to Riverside Sports Cars. :-) Transmission performed extremely well (Riverside Sports Cars) but not fully tested, yet. Third & Fourth under full race conditions. We are ecstatic. #197 has never been lower, wider, or faster, methinks. Now we will tune for all settings, ignition and carbureter, likely at Watkins Glen. We will be pleased to run midpack, if we can. Both Drivers are suffering from a lack of seat time and have no illusions about running at the front. But that's OK. 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Enclosed Trailer....... :-) Limited to 2nd gear but test surpassed expectations................................ Larry Young cam comes in at about 3k-3.5k and is extremely strong as far as we took it. Some loping under 3K, but expected. Head & Intake Manifold is Uncle Jack's with 11+:1 Compression & with Mike Belfer's old 87mm flatop Hepolites. Con Rods are Uncle Jack's version of the Chevy Rod Conversion. Crane Ignition and my favorite carbs ZS-175s. Then there is a bunch of ARE stuff hung on it...Carb Heat Shield, Front Alloy Engine Plate, Rocker Arm Spacers, Torque Reaction Arm, Flywheel Dust Shield, 10# Steel Flywheel....Kas' Velocity Stacks. Buy some of this stuff. I just wrote a big check to Riverside Sports Cars. :-) Transmission performed extremely well (Riverside Sports Cars) but not fully tested, yet. Third & Fourth under full race conditions. We are ecstatic. #197 has never been lower, wider, or faster, methinks. 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Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Wes Dayton To: FOT Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of the TR7?. Assuming there is some truth to the caption, does anyone recall anything about these wheels? In particular would be interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. Wes Dayton _______________________________________________ ttp://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 16:57:23 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:57:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In-Reply-To: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just get 'em crack checked before you race with the old Mags. ~Steve On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:33 PM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in > 5", 5.5" and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on > the ground here, they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were > not the most common size (5.5" probably the most common) and may be > a bit more difficult to locate, but not impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were > manufactured by American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Dayton > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels > > In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or > optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available > during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I > came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag > wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing > option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of > the TR7?. Assuming there is some truth to the caption, does anyone > recall anything about these wheels? In particular would be > interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. > > Wes Dayton > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 17:04:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:04:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: Hopefully this would be a strong debating point for Wes on the expansion of wheel width sizes, and the use of more modern wheels. Joe A > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in 5", 5.5" > and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on the ground here, > they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were not the most common size (5.5" > probably the most common) and may be a bit more difficult to locate, but not > impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were manufactured by > American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Aug 25 17:25:48 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse Message-ID: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> This weekend, just blocks away from my studio, I saw a TR6 that had been in an accident. The car was up on a very high curb, right wheels on the sidewalk, left wheels in the street. The front left wheel was off the car and was laying on the side of the road, 5 or 6 car lengths back. The driver was unharmed and making the usual phone calls. With his permission, I looked over the car. It became readily apparent to me that the left front spindle had come loose. The nut that holds it from behind was gone. The spindle could be found still attached to the wheel and hub assembly. I hardly had time to do a full FCC investigation, but it looked to me like that nut had either come loose, and then was battered loose or it had been installed cross threaded, in the first place, and subsequently came loose... as the threads of the spindle were a mess. This TR owner was extremely lucky. It didn't happen on the freeway. It didn't happen when he had passengers. It didn't happen with another vehicle, motorcyclist, or pedestrians nearby. And the one section of road where he left the tarmac was the one stretch where there were no lamp posts or trees, etc. (100' forward or back, would have been a different story.) It looks like his frame was slightly tweaked, the front left wing and under body in that area damaged, the right two and front left wheels damaged. The bonnet was tweaked, but may settle out when the frame it checked, etc. Throw together the damage to the suspension parts, brake callipers (which had been broken into pieces!), etc., and he's likely looking at $6K in repairs or more. Sad, because the car was quite beautiful. Relative to the car, the positive thing is that the frame is robust and the car can be brought back to a high standard in short time. A few lessons here are... 1. Cross-threading is dangerous. 2. Try to inspect your vehicle when you have wheels off, etc. 3. Listen carefully to your vehicle and when it speaks, listen. 4. (I'm not a roll bar fan, but... think about one...) And lesson for self... "Justin, your cell phone has a camera... use it." --Justin From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 17:33:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse References: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9070a$f5516770$0302a8c0@Bud> Good advice...I wonder how often vintage street cars have stuff magnafluxed? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Triumphs" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Jim Funkhouser" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse > This weekend, just blocks away from my studio, I saw a TR6 that had been > in an accident. The car was up on a very high curb, right wheels on > the sidewalk, left wheels in the street. The front left wheel was off > the car and was laying on the side of the road, 5 or 6 car lengths > back. The driver was unharmed and making the usual phone calls. With > his permission, I looked over the car. It became readily apparent to > me that the left front spindle had come loose. The nut that holds it > from behind was gone. The spindle could be found still attached to the > wheel and hub assembly. > > I hardly had time to do a full FCC investigation, but it looked to me > like that nut had either come loose, and then was battered loose or it > had been installed cross threaded, in the first place, and subsequently > came loose... as the threads of the spindle were a mess. > > This TR owner was extremely lucky. It didn't happen on the freeway. It > didn't happen when he had passengers. It didn't happen with another > vehicle, motorcyclist, or pedestrians nearby. And the one section of > road where he left the tarmac was the one stretch where there were no > lamp posts or trees, etc. (100' forward or back, would have been a > different story.) It looks like his frame was slightly tweaked, the > front left wing and under body in that area damaged, the right two and > front left wheels damaged. The bonnet was tweaked, but may settle out > when the frame it checked, etc. Throw together the damage to the > suspension parts, brake callipers (which had been broken into pieces!), > etc., and he's likely looking at $6K in repairs or more. Sad, because > the car was quite beautiful. Relative to the car, the positive thing is > that the frame is robust and the car can be brought back to a high > standard in short time. > > A few lessons here are... > > 1. Cross-threading is dangerous. > 2. Try to inspect your vehicle when you have wheels off, etc. > 3. Listen carefully to your vehicle and when it speaks, listen. > 4. (I'm not a roll bar fan, but... think about one...) > > And lesson for self... "Justin, your cell phone has a camera... use it." > > --Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 18:11:37 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? 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The right side seems to have suffered some sort of failure as well, but perhaps only as a result of the left side failure. Randall From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Aug 25 18:16:14 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B34B4E.2080603@141.com> Two seconds, coming up! Of COURSE we would be thrilled to have the Ceilley brothers as part of this esteemed non-group of ours! Thank you for nominating them! Susan :) marty sukey wrote: > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race > program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave > Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in > touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to > the FOT fraternity. 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Bill GT-6+ On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:11:37 -0400 marty sukey writes: Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzv0I3vTKFlanfgWNiT6AWqWi8cdvKH37xic4HHHCBuJVKy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 25 20:09:03 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <925038.23093.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Second ... great people & I would have thought they were allready here ... lets get them on the list :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 8/25/08, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination To: "FOT" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:11 PM #yiv1678595704 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1678595704 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 20:11:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:11:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: FoT, I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a very long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for several years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's memory. Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it all got away from me. My apologies. We will come up with something fitting in the near future. Joe A. > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email > addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They were manufactured by > American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Dayton > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels > > In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or > optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the > period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of > Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says "The > magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing > car until the introduction of the TR7". Assuming there is some truth to the > caption, does anyone recall anything about these wheels? In particular would > be interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. > > Wes Dayton > > _______________________________________________http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. > Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wes at hsrca.org.au Mon Aug 25 22:10:53 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:10:53 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the responses. I should clarify that I was simply trying to establish that the ?mag? wheels in various widths were an option during the period. Some understandably thought I was looking for a set of the original mags and pointed out their weaknesses. Instead, what we hope to do is, having established that cars raced using an alloy-type wheel and some were wider, we may succeed in getting approval for a wider option. Once done, we will then be free to find something appropriate (such as the Panasport wheels that it appears many of you use). Thanks again for your help ? Wes Dayton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 23:35:56 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hooking up a Pertronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil in my TR6 Message-ID: <000001c9073d$9f1235a0$b1191718@computer> This TR6 is used entirely to race. Currently it has the stock points and I assume ballast resistor wire. I will check the voltage to the coil for sure before moving forward. For the racing application, shouldn't I run 12 volts to the coil? Is this done best by running a new, clean wire from the key to the coil? The Ignitor instructions say not to remove the ballast wire but I imagine this is referring to a completely stock set up and that it is OK to remove it in my application. What changes should I make in the plug gap or heat range? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3484 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 23:35:56 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hooking up Pertronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower in my TR6 Message-ID: <000401c9073d$a023a5a0$b1191718@computer> This TR6 is only used to race. Right now, the ignition is stock points which I believe have the ballast wire but I will definitely make sure whether or not it has the ballast wire before I go further. For the racing application, don't I want to get rid of the ballast wire and run 12 volts to the coil? To do this, would I just run a new, clean wire from the ignition switch. The Ignitor instructions say not to remove the ballast wire but I assume they only mean in a stock set up. Any thoughts on plug gap or even heat range? In the off season, I will be going to triple Webers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey _____ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be-learn how to burn a DVD with WindowsR. Make your smash hit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? Second and/or third Dan and Dave - WELCOME! > Thanks, > Marty Sukey rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Aug 26 08:35:04 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed Message-ID: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Another candidate for membership in the hall of motoring misery came thru my door this week. A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to stop and reconsider further mayhem? Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could sell?? art de armond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 08:47:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:47:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Message-ID: Cary, Glenda Gephart is one of the archivists. You might speak to her when you are at the Glen. Copied here...... glenda at racingarchives.org Some of our journalist/historians may want to check in at the Glen Museum. Regards, Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph > The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races > happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a > independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to > gain the regional SCCA championship. > > Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of > Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was > mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after > selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. > > Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the > museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the > museum ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danceilley at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 08:58:18 2008 From: danceilley at comcast.net (danceilley at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: <082620081458.26282.48B41A0A00018641000066AA2206824693970A0404070A0C020E0B@comcast.net> Thanks so much Marty, Joe and everyone. Had it not been for vintage racing, my Dad, Mom, brother Dave and I would not have crossed paths with so many fine people, many of which are on this list. I had been on it before, but in changing my e-mail awhile back I lost touch. We really enjoyed the camaraderie and look forward to staying involved. My Dad's '69 GT-6 was the car that we all started with back in 1991, and I look forward to doing a complete frame up restoration on it. I hope there's some GT-6 guys out there to offer some advice, I'll need it! The black '71 Spitfire was a car (with a unique history) that I purchased in 1996 and raced (with a lot of help from willing hands!) until my brother Dave and Dad partnered up with me and eventually purchased outright as demands of home and family prevailed. Dave will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew members. Sorry to be long winded, but I wanted to share that and thank everyone who touched my father's life through the sport. He truly loved it and the people he met because of it. It's unfortunate that the vintage racing community has lost three people recently that I personally knew and felt exemplified the spirit of the sport: my Dad, Jack Drews and Mike Cammarata. I hope we can carry on in that same spirit. Best Regards, Dan Ceilley -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > FoT, > > I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & > Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a very > long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for several > years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's > memory. > > Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it > all got away from me. My apologies. > > We will come up with something fitting in the near future. > > Joe A. > > > > > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program > > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning > > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the > > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. > Email > > addresses as follows. > > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > > > Can I get a second or two? > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:11:35 +0000 Size: 2132 URL: From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Aug 26 09:04:24 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:04:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] More Group 44 GT6 progress Message-ID: last night I dove into the rear suspension. Man there is a lot of trick stuff here. Does anyone know how much of it is original to this car? I had Lanky look at it and he seemed to think it was all original to the car. Any help would be appreciated. Pics will be at our site soon. The trailing arms are heim-jointed. The upper brackets for the Konis seem to be modified. The frame and upright have been clearanced for half shaft clearance. The fender wells themselves seem to be pushed in for tire clearance. The control arm bushings are concentric. The rear spring looks nothing like a stock GT6 piece. Thanks. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskas at cox.net Tue Aug 26 09:08:32 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:08:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A921375FA344C98B5608D09BCD0DC83@KasPC> Mr. Chris Andrews, President of Triumph USA was there to greet and congratulate Erwin after the race. I know, as I was there with him. He was honored as much as possible by the circumstances of the company at that time. Group 44 was in the very formative years and really not a factor. ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Group44TR7 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; glenda at racingarchives.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Cary, Glenda Gephart is one of the archivists. You might speak to her when you are at the Glen. Copied here...... glenda at racingarchives.org Some of our journalist/historians may want to check in at the Glen Museum. Regards, Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to gain the regional SCCA championship. Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the museum ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 26 09:09:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:09:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 08/26/2008 9:59:09 AM Central Daylight Time, danceilley at comcast.net writes: > Dave will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew > members. > Hi Dan... Glad to hear your Mom will stay involved with you guys as well. She's a peach. Like Jack and Frances...your Mom and Dad had a fantastic marriage, and their love for one another was no secret. It hung out all over. That's one of my clear memories about Team Ceilley. Currently the FOT list has been trying to put together memories about Jack Drews. I could probably list fifty that related to paddocking, racing, wrenching and TRIUMPH, but one that seems to stick high above the others was the look Frances' eyes when Jack would lead the Sunday Devotionals at many VSCDA events. The look in her eyes spoke volumes about pride and love. It was a two way street. Like your parents, Jack and Frances had a fantastic marriage. They were all wrapped up in one another. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 26 09:44:25 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:44:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While there were MkIVs built in 1970 (starting production in August), they were 1971 models. By that time Triumph was already doing model production that matched the US model years and the year model was by specification not by the year built as was the case prior to 1968. So technically, there are no 1970 MkIVs. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of SpiwakD at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 6:29 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire for sale Spitfire1970 Mk 4 in good condition. On the road and just had new brakes and top end. Red paint could use freshening. Extra engine and trans included. Only $4,000. Central Pa. More info at spiwakd at aol.com or 570-441-5646 _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Aug 26 11:21:24 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:21:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: <082620081458.26282.48B41A0A00018641000066AA2206824693970A0404070A0C020E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Welcome back. It will be nice to see the GT6 back on the track. Your dad and I shared the the track many times over the years, it was always a better race when he was there. Contact me anytime if you need any help. John Zippy (The Pinhead) Racing #69 GT6+ On 8/26/08 9:58 AM, "danceilley at comcast.net" wrote: > Thanks so much Marty, Joe and everyone. Had it not been for vintage racing, my > Dad, Mom, brother Dave and I would not have crossed paths with so many fine > people, many of which are on this list. I had been on it before, but in > changing my e-mail awhile back I lost touch. We really enjoyed the > camaraderie and look forward to staying involved. My Dad's '69 GT-6 was the > car that we all started with back in 1991, and I look forward to doing a > complete frame up restoration on it. I hope there's some GT-6 guys out there > to offer some advice, I'll need it! The black '71 Spitfire was a car (with a > unique history) that I purchased in 1996 and raced (with a lot of help from > willing hands!) until my brother Dave and Dad partnered up with me and > eventually purchased outright as demands of home and family prevailed. Dave > will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew members. > > Sorry to be long winded, but I wanted to share that and thank everyone who > touched my father's life through the sport. He truly loved it and the people > he met because of it. It's unfortunate that the vintage racing community has > lost three people recently that I personally knew and felt exemplified the > spirit of the sport: my Dad, Jack Drews and Mike Cammarata. I hope we can > carry on in that same spirit. > > Best Regards, > Dan Ceilley > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com >> > FoT, >> > >> > I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & >> > Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a >> very >> > long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for >> several >> > years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's >> > memory. >> > >> > Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it >> > all got away from me. My apologies. >> > >> > We will come up with something fitting in the near future. >> > >> > Joe A. >> > >> > >> > >>> > > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race >>> program >>> > > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave >>> Campaigning >>> > > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with >>> the >>> > > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT >>> fraternity. >> > Email >>> > > addresses as follows. >>> > > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net >>> > > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com >>> > > >>> > > Can I get a second or two? >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Marty Sukey >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 15:30:49 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed In-Reply-To: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <48B47609.9060707@charter.net> Art Refresh my memory, is that the early or late manifold? In either case I can probably help you out. Let me know Glenn riverside wrote: > Another candidate for membership in the hall > of motoring misery came thru my door this week. > A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port > intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket > to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to > stop and reconsider further mayhem? > Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could > sell?? > > art de armond > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 15:40:56 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= Message-ID: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T for plumbing. Does anyone have any experience with this system? Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source for them? The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with brake line? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Glenn 72 Spit Mk IV almost done From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 26 15:59:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= In-Reply-To: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> References: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> Message-ID: <7B6922F2-7100-45E8-AD44-FC9D003E516D@bnj.com> Just an opinion, but an old fire extinguisher on a new race car seems like bad economics. New one aren't cheap, but they are likely to work when you need them and not when you don't. I vividly remember a guy I was preparing to lap in a beautiful Aston Martin who's bargain fire extinguisher picked that particular moment to light off. The car disappeared in a cloud of powder and he ran briskly off the road, fortunately in a good spot, but that was pure luck. I have always stuck with Halon as a result. On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a > FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. > It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T > for > plumbing. > Does anyone have any experience with this system? > Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source > for them? > The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with > brake > line? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > 72 Spit Mk IV almost done > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll let you know. Bill Tobin---- Original Message ----- From: riverside To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed Another candidate for membership in the hall of motoring misery came thru my door this week. A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to stop and reconsider further mayhem? Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could sell?? art de armond ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 26 16:59:07 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?_Re=3A__FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguish?= =?iso-8859-1?q?er_system?= References: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> Message-ID: <05fc01c907cf$58724bc0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> You might consider the AFFF systems on the market (Pegasus). You can refill them yourself if need be for about $65. They are water based. A friend set his off by mistake and said there was foam everywhere. Just don't let them freeze. Good luck, Bill--- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [Fot] FlameOut? FE-1301 fire extinguisher system When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T for plumbing. Does anyone have any experience with this system? Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source for them? The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with brake line? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Glenn 72 Spit Mk IV almost done _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 17:35:56 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest Message-ID: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Aug 26 18:14:11 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:14:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] FlameOut® FE-1301 fire extinguisher system Message-ID: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon will. Joe(B) whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19krr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 18:29:14 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301_fire_extinguisher_system?= In-Reply-To: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: A side note that's not as important as life-saving fire extinguishing is that, if pulled accidentally, I have heard that Halon is very tough to clean up but foam can be washed away. ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My > rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon > will. Joe(B) > > whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19krr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 18:49:54 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:49:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FlameOutR FE-1301 fire extinguisher system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0A5CA26597A14415973669D37C8F2300@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I am also using the AFFF system in my Spitfire. I first worked with it around 20 years ago when working on some Air Force hangar fire protection systems and it wasn't a new product then. The foam is corrosive, so it should be washed off right away, but it should clean up easily. I've got one nozzle pointed at my legs and the other two on the firewall pointing at either side of the engine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:29 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] FlameOutR FE-1301 fire extinguisher system A side note that's not as important as life-saving fire extinguishing is that, if pulled accidentally, I have heard that Halon is very tough to clean up but foam can be washed away. ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My > rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon > will. Joe(B) > > whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19k > rr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 19:16:57 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:16:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen Message-ID: FoT: If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need a room for two people Wednesday on. 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Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mDcGqo8cksEDUxGrgPHV0Rw19aFA5DuRG05s0SdqOv7uRRo/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Aug 26 20:25:53 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:25:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom In-Reply-To: <20080826.200619.2608.9.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080826.200619.2608.9.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Second - no problem! Fred Hodgson To: FOT at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:19 -0600From: wgrosenbach at juno.comSubject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom Greetings all, I?d like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to this group. Robert drives a Spitfire Mk III, on the street. He grew up in New York, attending events at Watkins Glen, hanging out around the track and paddock while his dad worked Flagging & Communication in the late ?60s, & ?70s. These days he works F&C with Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, and is a committee member of the Colorado English Motoring Conclave. Seconds, please. Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 26 20:43:34 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license plate attached. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. > >http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ > > >~STEVE BELFER >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 20:47:37 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <6C7FC0B8-4039-4907-B157-24CE39AFD05F@earthlink.net> My dad, a long time TR3 racer and restorer is on the very bottom of this page driving his Lotus 7. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_29.html ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:43 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt > on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license > plate attached. > > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html > > Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html > > > > > At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >> I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >> tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >> These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >> all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured >> here. >> >> http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ >> >> >> ~STEVE BELFER >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Aug 26 21:16:17 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:16:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe and Uncle Jack in teh new issue of British Motoring Message-ID: I got a look at an advance copy of the new British Motoring magazine. This is the publication Moss Motors puts out that includes their sale information. It will be on the streets in a few weeks and has a richly deserved article on Joe Alexander and the FOT. There is also a brief mention of how much we will all miss Uncle Jack. Those of you who don't get this publication can get it for free by calling Moss or going to their site. I believe if you sign up now you will get this issue. Kelvin from Moss is on our FOT list and should be able to clarify some of this. Tim Suddard Publisher:? Grassroots Motorsports Classic Motorsports NEW ADDRESS/PHONE: 915 Ridgewood Ave., Holly Hill FL 32117 (386) 239-0523 phone (386) 239-0573 fax www.GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.net ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jibjib at att.net Tue Aug 26 22:26:43 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <041c01c907fd$1cd39b40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Lorne, I've had a LuK clutch kit in my street/AutoX TR3 (yes it has the TR4A-6 pressure plate) for several years WITHOUT any issues. Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short period of use. They came from Moss and I know what they will say.WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM Lorne Fritz _____ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with WindowsR. 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Thanks >>> >>> Joe A >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Aug 27 05:47:48 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:47:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen In-Reply-To: <48B52C40.4080107@verizon.net> References: <48B52C40.4080107@verizon.net> Message-ID: <017101c9083a$ba82cef0$2f886cd0$@net> Ithaca has lots of motels and is about the same distance as Elmira if anyone is still in need. It's about a 35 minute drive to The Glen. Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Richard Good Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:28 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen Yes, I got a room at Econo Lodge Elmira but they are full now. Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: Ed, et. al. Richard Good indicates that there are hotels available under: Getaway.com One is the Econo Lodge in Painted Post Richard, Are you coming? Joe A Getaway.com still shows a number of available hotels in the area. Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT: If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need a room for two people Wednesday on. Thanks Joe A _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Aug 27 06:24:13 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short period of use. They came from Moss and I know what they will say.WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM Lorne Fritz ________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows(r). Game with Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. ?In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER_______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Aug 27 07:24:25 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom Message-ID: <20080827.072425.2344.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I knew I forgot something. Robert's E-mail address is, boom-town at msn.com . On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:19 -0600 wgrosenbach at juno.com writes: Greetings all, I?d like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to this group. Robert drives a Spitfire Mk III, on the street. He grew up in New York, attending events at Watkins Glen, hanging out around the track and paddock while his dad worked Flagging & Communication in the late ?60s, & ?70s. These days he works F&C with Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, and is a committee member of the Colorado English Motoring Conclave. Seconds, please. Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLKljb5U1d2xJ2Ftods435fxJEpnEHQYNPAxFHOvWoimQ2m/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Aug 27 07:34:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C4A@server.Triumph.local> There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorne Fritz > Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch > > Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a > TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out > forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short > period of use. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 27 07:45:18 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <006201c90849$f019b060$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006201c90849$f019b060$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <20080827134503.C695B187892@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Aug 27 08:23:13 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C4A@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <025001c90850$71233b30$0302a8c0@Charly> I know of at least 3 failures in the NW of these clutches, B-B and even a supposedly racing clutch from a Saab application. It seems the only way around this problem is the adapting of a Tilton clutch. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Lorne Fritz" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lorne Fritz >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch >> >> Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a >> TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out >> forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short >> period of use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 08:33:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen Message-ID: FOT Entrants: As indicated in earlier emails......Arrangements have been made to tech the Triumphs in one location. This will save time for the Triumphs and SVRA. The WPTA Hospitality Tent could be used temporarily for this function. Have everything ready to tech and Bob Williams will be a happy man. If you went to Thunderbolt you will only need your Log Book. Joe Alexander See below from Jack Woerhle: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- > Sounds good to me. The Triumph corral will be outside the south gate of the > garage area and they will have a tent. You might want to communicate with > Joe Alexander on the exact location. > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:42:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ibexbob at ptd.net writes: > > >> I am going to post a notice that anyone that went through Thunderbolt >> TECH. need only bring their log book to TECH. to get passed through for >> the Glen. I'll have a special time for the Trimuph people and inspectors >> to go to them since there are Forty cars in one place. >> Thunderbolt was a very good and complete inspection with an excellant crew >> that took proper time with each inspection. >> OK? >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Aug 27 09:17:46 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <005a01c90858$106aaaa0$64690143@your55e5f9e3d2> The license plate reference caused a flashback to the day i promised myself to never again run a Chicago Region SCCA event. TR3 racers will recall the not uncommon loss of the spare tire well cover. My racer was street licensed (to reduce the size of the fine when apprehended in the act of public testing) and i kept the plate securely attacked to the tire well cover where it belonged. Even tho the GCR did not reference license plates, i was summoned to the top of the Road America "tower" and threatened with excomunication if i did not remove the plate. On a more pleasant note, the other TR3 running that event was towed behind a 289 Cobra. Wish i still had the entry list.. We both had engine problems, I beat him that day because we both needed to pit to add oil , but only he did. Ghost tracks: A reunion at Meadowdale is scheduled for 9/13-14 accordiing to yesterday's alfa racer group ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest >I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt > on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license > plate attached. > > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html > > Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html > > > > > At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >>I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >>tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >>These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >>all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. >> >>http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ >> >> >>~STEVE BELFER >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 > 7:29 AM > > From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed Aug 27 09:25:09 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a wonderful book entitled "Ghost Tracks" by Pete Hylton that chronicles the great days of racing at circuits that no longer exist and one or two that still do. It's based on a series of articles that appeared in SCCA's Sports Car magazine. Go to www.legacyinkpublishing.com Covers tracks like Vineland, Green Valley and Moffet Field. Familiar? mike Cook Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700From: sbracing at sbcglobal.netTo: fot at autox.team.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale.--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwestTo: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER_______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Aug 27 09:45:38 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:45:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: > FoT, > > No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed > out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this > business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, > regardless of the label. > > One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch > components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave > me some good insight in the business side. > > Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently > superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had > apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. > > But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... > > Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up > being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this > winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. > > Joe A > > > > >> There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers >> that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. >> Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction >> disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not >> disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. >> >> Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could >> not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. >> Scratch that gearbox case... >> >> There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season >> because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the >> race spares is a very good idea. >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 27 09:59:50 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:59:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net><121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9758085C50614E6A8EF9704375EDB844@newcomputer> Green Valley was a memorable track northwest of Dallas, which unfortunately went the way of many old tracks. It was gobbled up to make way for houses and businesses. Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:25 AM To: sbracing at sbcglobal.net; FOT; Steven Belfer Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest There is a wonderful book entitled "Ghost Tracks" by Pete Hylton that chronicles the great days of racing at circuits that no longer exist and one or two that still do. It's based on a series of articles that appeared in SCCA's Sports Car magazine. Go to www.legacyinkpublishing.com Covers tracks like Vineland, Green Valley and Moffet Field. Familiar? mike Cook _____ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net To: fot at autox.team.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com / ~STEVE BELFER _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Aug 27 10:05:55 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches I've been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. _____ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 10:31:59 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> References: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <88F1F63C-373A-4142-A327-4CAAC25BC98B@bnj.com> Ditto, though I use Quartermaster clutches. Other than a difference in initial expense I can't see a reason to use stock junk--at least not for racing. I'd probably use stock stuff in a street car because it's probably easier on the transmission, and the passengers. The quartermasters are not cheap, though the bottom of the line V-Drive unit isn't all that bad and is just a strong as the fancy one I run, but pulling your engine one extra time would seem to justify the expense. I probably spent more money trying to get stock clutches to work than I have since I switched. I did manage to screw up my Quartermaster, but that was a stupid error on my part, and it still worked for 12 more race weekends before failing. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Don Marshall wrote: > My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no > problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup > from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of John Reed > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM > To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches > > I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. > It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The > pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for > proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I > replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even > when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 > spline disks. > > > On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: > FoT, > > No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been > farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends > say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what > you are getting, regardless of the label. > > One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was > remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the > design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business > side. > > Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are > frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a > TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the > springs replaced. > > But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... > > Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may > end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will > happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. > > Joe A > > > > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in > racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the > friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Regards, > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA > Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 > > John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail > in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e- > mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the > material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 10:45:03 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:45:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: Triumphistis and FOT, The FoT is proudly represented by four of the best In our Triumph World. The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting questions. And the FoT invites you to visit us in the Triumph Paddock through the weekend. Classic Motorsports is our sponsor for the Kastner Cup and will have a tent with an English Pub Theme. WPTA/VTR will have their usual FoT Hospitality Tent in place and there will be several things going on there. Likely a few surprises. Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 27 10:57:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in > the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: > > Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. > Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 > Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 > John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) > > All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting > questions. > Joe... Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Aug 27 11:07:13 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:07:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: All TRIUMPHS that register WILL be selected (unless they are FROG BLUE) You do have to register to be selected though. The form will be available at registration. If we have room, we may even let the FB cars in. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/27/2008 12:58:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 27 11:47:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:47:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> > Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of > clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. I agree. Worth noting perhaps that the TR6 originally used "dowel bolts" that had threads plus precision ground shanks so they could serve both as locating dowels and clamping bolts. At least one LBC vendor is selling ordinary bolts (with the usual undersize shanks) as replacements. Randall From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 12:17:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:17:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak & The FOT Message-ID: Bill Dentinger! Thanks for supplementing my announcement. We have worked with the Village Festival Committee on some of these features, as they have Honored the Triumph Marque for the weekend. They have responded to us very nicely. And I wish to thank them for that. Copied Here. Stand by for more announcements....there are several more. Joe A > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race > cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to > reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be > difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to > do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, > or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before > SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get > credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday > night or early Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 12:22:25 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us all together. It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 Bill On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com > writes: > > >> The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 >> PM in the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: >> >> Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. >> Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 >> Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 >> John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) >> >> All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask >> interesting questions. > > > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when > the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen > for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there > for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew > and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN > before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip > downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a > limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If > interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early > Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are > pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony > Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I > took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I > don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to > have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's > handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place > because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. > http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > > Bill > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 27 13:01:54 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> References: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <432A98BC4786445B82298B279BC36945@KasPC> The method of using "dowel bolts" was a thing I devised in 1967 when working on the first of the TR 6 cylinder motor and having the clutch fly off the flywlwheel. I think I detail this in one of my books. Works too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 clutch > >> Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of >> clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. > > I agree. Worth noting perhaps that the TR6 originally used "dowel bolts" > that had threads plus precision ground shanks so they could serve both as > locating dowels and clamping bolts. At least one LBC vendor is selling > ordinary bolts (with the usual undersize shanks) as replacements. > > Randall > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 13:14:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:14:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> Message-ID: I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the Glen. On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > Bill, > I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at > turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and > she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed > sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left > front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I > am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have > seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist > syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This > latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the > Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought > I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA > let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. > In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The > other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could > never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and > my right rear, ??????? I had to replace the entire front end, the > whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she > didn?t like being passed. Jeez. > > In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this > year. > Best regards > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to > go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some > special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, > but they might at least stick us all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride > for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on > Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, > visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. > Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured > LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL > working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took > it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons > I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging > remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized > for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't > make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:56:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808271256h10be0117vb78b93c9d104a52a@mail.gmail.com> So,since it appears passengersare allowed, Isurewouldlike aride from anyone who can give it -- all the better it in a TR6. Chuck 2008/8/27 Bill Babcock > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This > year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I > doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick > us all together. > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for > anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel > cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but > she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning > too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at > the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins > Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, > MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark > about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I > left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without > it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, > N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > > The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in > the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: > > Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. > Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 > Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 > John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) > > All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting > questions. > > > > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race > cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to > reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will > be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier > to do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN > before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown > before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of > cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for > it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > *Paddlesurfing's Web Journal* > * > * > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at netzero.com Wed Aug 27 14:01:17 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:01:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches Message-ID: <20080827.160117.21363.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> I have also been using Tilton and Quartermaster clutches for over 10 years. I tried the single disc version for a couple of seasons, but found cracks in the friction disc, so I went back to the double disc this year. The single disc is rated for over 200 ft-lbs of torque. My car should be in the 170 ft-lb range, but I guess that was too much? (I am sure that 9 inch slicks don't help the situation either) If someone has a low hp TR3/4 I have a very nice single disc Tilton clutch unit that I do not need any more. Joe(B) -- "Don Marshall" wrote: My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. 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URL: From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 14:57:39 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT In-Reply-To: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <691A4DEB-4935-417D-9E4A-6BF78F32D13C@bnj.com> Nope, where is washington is he from? Ask him what organization he plans to race with. If he replies SOVREN then I can ask Dick Buckingham about him. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > Hi guys, > > I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, > from a T A Moser from Washington. > > However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He > wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to > be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. > He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced > that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and > documentation. > > Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 15:23:48 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:23:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014601c9088b$32b949d0$0302a8c0@Bud> Irv... Ask him for a POSTAL MONEY ORDER non refundable down payment..of say..$500.00...tell him that he can deduct the cost of overnighting it to you(about 15.00) for his trouble..then you're safe...any post office can verify the postal money order...A CASHIER'S CHECK DOES NOT PROTECT YOU..your bank will credit you and then come back at you in about 2 weeks... Good luck..let's hope it's on the up and up Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT Hi guys, I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, from a T A Moser from Washington. However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? 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Bill, can't you rig a seat and belts for the top of that... er, ballast box you carry over there in the passenger side of your car? :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > And Diane will need a > ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her > sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in > NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather > helmet and goggles. From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Aug 27 15:41:52 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Frederick Hodgson) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:41:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire block needed Message-ID: Amici- Does anyone have an early 1296 (small crank) block that they're willing to part with? I have a customer/friend/racer in need of one. Contact me off list with the particulars. Thanks in advance. Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 27 20:28:54 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861296.60057.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ABSOLUTELY!!!! ? SECOND||!!!! ? Joe, ? My only question, is why havent we had him here before now .... ? Welcome Robert.? We would all love to have you. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Wed, 8/27/08, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:22 PM Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a ?significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. ?(Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. ?We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage.racer at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 21:05:48 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:05:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f101c908ba$f936fec0$eba4fc40$@racer@comcast.net> Joe: His resume speaks for itself and makes us occasional weekend warriors pale by comparison. I gladly second and look forward to meeting Robert at The Glen. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 06:40:15 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:40:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A > Hi Joe, > > Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: > > 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? > 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take > me to drive there? > > Cheers, Keith > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 06:51:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:51:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. Message-ID: FoT, Our Legends Speak at 3:00PM on Friday at the Glen. We need one or more videographers to record this for posterity. Perhaps someone already planned to this? Thanks, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 07:30:40 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:30:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: The VTR (Blake Discher) is providing a mini event poster for the Friends of Triumph and for attending VTR Members This one is being professionally done and printed on quality hard stock. I do not know the composition of it, as I have not seen a working document. There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable piece of art. At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other VIPs. This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. 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There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable piece of art. At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other VIPs. This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. This will be a great companion piece to it, methinks!~ Joe Alexander Blake Discher ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Aug 28 07:34:25 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:34:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: Not sure the status of this, but as we are sponsoring some or all of this, it would be nice to see ours and the Moss logo on this. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 8/28/08 9:31:21 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > The VTR (Blake Discher) is providing a mini event poster for the Friends of > Triumph and for attending VTR Members > > This one is being professionally done and printed on quality hard stock. > > I do not know the composition of it, as I have not seen a working document. > There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable > piece of art. > > At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want > to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at > Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other > VIPs. > > This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. ?This will be a > great companion piece to it, methinks!~ > > Joe Alexander > Blake Discher > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Aug 28 07:42:20 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:42:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2008 6:34:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wensley_Tr at comcast.net writes: With that is going on Are you guys going to have time to race? Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Aug 28 08:16:14 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:16:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <03e301c90918$a1b1f7f0$0302a8c0@Charly> I don't know the name and don't recall anyone soliciting for a TR racecar in the near past. Which city is he from? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT Hi guys, I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, from a T A Moser from Washington. However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? Thanks, Irv Korey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 08:27:55 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THANKS Northwest FOT Message-ID: <082820081427.20562.48B6B5EB000E5EE5000050522207001641970A9D010507@comcast.net> A big THANKS to all of you Northwest FOT who answered my inquiry about T A Moser's offer to buy my TR4. Whoever he is, T A Moser is unknown to the TRiumph racing community. The wording in the "offer" was extremely suspicious to me, which was the reason for my inquiry. I have not received any answers to the questions I sent Moser, which pertained to his location, who he planned to race with, etc. I am sure I'll never hear from this person again. Be aware and beware of the name T A Moser. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 08:39:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:39:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: > Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help > drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time > and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AKonopka at centralparknyc.org Thu Aug 28 08:45:43 2008 From: AKonopka at centralparknyc.org (Andy Konopka) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:45:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: Newark would be an easier choice driving wise. Getting from JFK across Manhattan can be a nightmare in the afternoon if you are not familiar with alternate routes and short cuts. Newark has the option of getting on the N.J. Turnpike to Rt. 280, to Rt 80 west into P.A. Any where from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 hours depending on traffic. Both Newark and JFK seem to experience the same delays from weather because the distance between them is not very far. Andy Konopka http://www.centralparknyc.org The Central Park Conservancy's mission is to restore, manage, and preserve Central Park, in partnership with the public, for the enjoyment of present and future generations. --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:This e-mail message from the Central Park Conservancy, Inc. may contain confidential and/or privileged information. This e-mail is to be reviewed only by its intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 28 09:11:58 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:11:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be Vince Lombardi, and one of my favorite quotes: "Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well that we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence" Bob Kramer ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:39 AM To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; wensley_Tr at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Aug 28 09:51:55 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:51:55 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! Message-ID: <20080828.115155.16836.3@webmail02.dca.untd.com> If driving from the airport, Newark would be best, but Keith, you may consider taking a shuttle flight from NY or Newark to Binghampton or Syracuse or Rochester. Binghampton is about an hour drive and Syracuse and Rochester about 1.5 hours. Joe(B) -- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmMA5gYZvtml5viuTVvDBimYILqlyGkwFF8hofG3ZDF6DU5k/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Aug 28 11:07:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22AA5235A3804845A6C73C4D7A60C215@SohlPC> We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also: cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:44:02 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] B&B available at the Glen event Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> My mother, God rest her soul, died yesterday after a short sickness but many years of pain. I will always miss her,but am glad Ruth Arnold the person has gone to be with her husband in a happier and pain free place. That being said, it was a bad time to die for me as the funeral is Saturday the 6th. I am, therefore,having to cancel my trip to the Glen. I have a B&B reserved for 4 nights [Thurs-Sun] right in downtown Watkins Glen [Blossums B&B]. I have not yet let the proprieter know. IF anyone is interested in taking over this reservation, let me know today and when I cancel I will give them your contact information. Sure am sad I am going to miss this once in a lifetime event -- it is just a fitting cap to a Triumph season that saw me build out a car, get it running real well, then have it break a rod before I could race it. See you all at the Kastner Cup next year, wherever it may be! -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a track to develop a rhythm on. From turn 1 through 5b you?re on your toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar! Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none of us will have that situation again. Russ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM To: Russ Moore Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the Glen. On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: Bill, I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and my right rear, I had to replace the entire front end, the whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she didn?t like being passed. Jeez. In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this year. Best regards Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us all together. It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After the race I went over to shake his hand and he was reliving the race talking with some other guys, just like any other car nut would, talking and laughing about passes and corners and cars. I shook his hand and he asked which car was mine. When I told him he said "What is IN that thing?" I told him it was a TR3 in drag and he got really animated, told me his first race car was a TR3 and he still loved 'em. I was walking on air for days. It was like God telling you he liked your car. Damn, damn, damn. 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URL: From Billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 28 15:36:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> Message-ID: <6DA5F5D6-ABC3-4BC0-9971-9FFF4F3D8AA0@bnj.com> I've always maintained that to drive Mosport well you have to grow a third testicle. I don't know what the ladies do. An extra testicle would come in handy at Watkins Glen as well, it's not easy and there's some places that you REALLY don't want to screw up. On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > Mosport is a great track and always a good time. My first laps on it > years back were with what would be group 6 cars if they were in an > SVRA event. Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a > track to develop a rhythm on. From turn 1 through 5b you?re on your > toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and > 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on > the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar! > > Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured > by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or > Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other > party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none > of us will have that situation again. > > Russ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM > To: Russ Moore > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an > accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it > has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your > gloves, see you at the Glen. > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > > > Bill, > I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at > turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and > she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed > sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left > front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I > am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have > seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist > syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This > latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the > Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought > I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA > let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. > In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The > other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could > never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and > my right rear, ??????? I had to replace the entire front end, the > whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she > didn?t like being passed. Jeez. > > In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this > year. > Best regards > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to > go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some > special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, > but they might at least stick us all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride > for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on > Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, > visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. > Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured > LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL > working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took > it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons > I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging > remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized > for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't > make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Aug 28 15:55:00 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill, 1927 - 2008 (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very sad news indeed. The sport needs more men like Phil Hill. Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 16:05:58 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent References: Message-ID: <012b01c9095a$4291ae40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Kind of like "Ain't no such thing as luck, you make your own" Some guy named Shelby said it, I think. I'll be at the Glen around noon Wednesday; If I can be of assistance to anyone, call my cell 814 566-6542. It's my 40th anniversary of going there. I've had some great times there and hope to have some more. See you there, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6----- Original Message ----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; Group44TR7 at aol.com ; wensley_Tr at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent That would be Vince Lombardi, and one of my favorite quotes: "Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well that we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence" Bob Kramer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:39 AM To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; wensley_Tr at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 16:04:28 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! References: Message-ID: <00a101c9095a$0b2c5090$0201a8c0@Bevan> If it helps, I'm flying in to Boston from London Heathrow on Virgin Atlantic. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? 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Only thing is, my Sony Camcorder still runs Hi8 and isn't digital, but its fully charged with a new tape and even has a tripod!!!!!!! Anyone willing to push the record button for me? Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. FoT, Our Legends Speak at 3:00PM on Friday at the Glen. We need one or more videographers to record this for posterity. Perhaps someone already planned to this? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional > license > first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be > novices at > first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of > testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. > nobody > wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about > $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. > thx > again, > t.a. moser > He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, > but he has done a bit of homework at least. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 28 17:57:24 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs References: Message-ID: <037501c90969$d1888150$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Oh my, I need to get the WPTA tent to WG much earlier than I thought I needed to. I'll see what can be done! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs FOT, Bob Williams, Chief of Safety & Tech Inspections sends this note to all of us. Print it out and keep it with you. You will need it if you forget the information. Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SVRA TECH. Notice for Triumph Safety & Tech Inspection at Watkins Glen 08 vintage Event.Any entrant that was teched at Thunderbolt need only show up at the Glen tech area with a log book and tech will be completed without the car or driver's gear present. Trimuphs not at Thunderbolt can have their cars teched at the WPTA Hospitality Tent between the hours of 10:45am to 12:45.pm on THUR. SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 18:08:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:08:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2008 6:57:44 PM Central Daylight Time, jerryvv at roadrunner.com writes: > Oh my, I need to get the WPTA tent to WG much earlier than I thought I > needed to. I'll see what can be done! > JVV > Jerry, If we can have the Classic Motorsport tent up early on Thursday, that will suffice. Stand by. Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 28 18:14:39 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:14:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Irv, Money talks. If you can secure a real money deal, watching out for the pitfalls, it doesn't matter who he is. With my guy from Japan, the car stayed with me until a sizable cash deposit was after he looked at the car. He came all the way from Japan, so asking him to come look at the car first hand isn't too much to ask. Ask him to bring cash or send a money order as previously mentioned and stick to your guns. I hope you get pleasantly surprised. I got to go home and start packing. Bob ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:23 PM To: emanteno at comcast.net; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:46:25 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:46:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs References: <037501c90969$d1888150$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <00cd01c90970$aabe11a0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> GEEZ - we'd have to leave Wed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net ; Bruce Stutzman ; Ed Woods ; Ed Major Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs Oh my, I need to get the WPTA tent to WG much earlier than I thought I needed to. I'll see what can be done! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs FOT, Bob Williams, Chief of Safety & Tech Inspections sends this note to all of us. Print it out and keep it with you. You will need it if you forget the information. Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SVRA TECH. Notice for Triumph Safety & Tech Inspection at Watkins Glen 08 vintage Event.Any entrant that was teched at Thunderbolt need only show up at the Glen tech area with a log book and tech will be completed without the car or driver's gear present. Trimuphs not at Thunderbolt can have their cars teched at the WPTA Hospitality Tent between the hours of 10:45am to 12:45.pm on THUR. SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:50:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:50:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: Message-ID: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:59:42 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser References: Message-ID: <01c001c90972$85f7efb0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Irv...There have been at least 3 times that i sold motorcycles on Ebay, and then could not contact the buyer..each time the buyer came through fine...There were other times when Scams were tried..especially one time with a cashier's check...YOU CANNOT TRUST A CASHIER'S CHECK OR MONEY ORDER..unless it's a postal money order that can be scanned at any post office...Then, you must cash it immedietly because it can be stopped. Think positive..stay quiet..and simply protect yourself...and if all else fails, keep asking us for advice and become completely paranoid... D.B. Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: emanteno at comcast.net ; fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu Aug 28 19:15:33 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:15:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E.11.06516.FBD47B84@smtp06.embarq.synacor.com> At 08:05 PM 8/28/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. > > >Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won >National Championships in recent history. > >They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too >young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) > >They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they >are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic >Motorsport English Pub. > >Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get >out of them... 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URL: From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 04:50:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:50:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <012101c908fb$d3848260$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Bud I think it depends on who you ask. Is Michael Schumaker a legend? Age 29. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; HARDY CATPUSHER PRENTICE Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... 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URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:24:11 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> <012101c908fb$d3848260$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <020201c9097e$535fdb10$0302a8c0@Bud> Woohooo..You bet...How old do we have to get?...Well..the older the better as far as Me and most racers are concerned! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Preiss To: RACER BUD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Bud I think it depends on who you ask. Is Michael Schumaker a legend? Age 29. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; HARDY CATPUSHER PRENTICE Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:24:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:24:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: Message-ID: <020b01c9097e$6ec62b20$0302a8c0@Bud> WE ALL ARE...Yeah Baby.." Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: budscars at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: Catpusher at aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Ya, but he is young at heart. Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:28:54 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <8E.11.06516.FBD47B84@smtp06.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <022901c9097e$fbac6b80$0302a8c0@Bud> Kas..do you know what the cutoff date is? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: R. John Lye To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen At 08:05 PM 8/28/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... You'll definitely get some good stories from Hardy (Hi Hardy, wish I was going to be there to say "hi")! R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 28 21:23:48 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:23:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill Message-ID: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? mjb. From Keith.Files at vocalink.com Thu Aug 28 11:35:09 2008 From: Keith.Files at vocalink.com (Keith Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! Message-ID: Dear All, Many thanks for all your comments and help; it is much appreciated. Here is what is happening; I will fly into Newark on Thursday 4th and will arrive at 13:15 US time. Cannot get a flight to Binghampton as all full so will take a flight to Buffalo to meet up with Cliff and then onto WG; eta for Thursday evening is around 8pm. Joe, the airline schedules do not allow me to make the 5:30 session but we have all day Friday Saturday and Sunday to play. Cheers, Keith -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sohl To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; Keith Files ; fot at autox.team.net CC: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thu Aug 28 18:07:35 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also: cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ________________________________ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ***************************************************** This email is issued by a VocaLink group company. It is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the addressee only. You should not disclose its contents to any other person. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), please notify the originator immediately by return message and destroy the original message. 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Kurt Oblinger Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 22:10:58 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Found it; 11-28-54 Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - 1st in class I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered why he took this drive. Kurt Oblinger Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:31:46 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:31:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B7745F.506@verizon.net> Message-ID: on 8/29/08 12:00 AM, Kurt Oblinger at koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Yes, at least once. I believe at Torrey Pines he drove a TR2. I think > the car was owned by Cal Sales. I'll check my library. > > I met and talked to Phil a number of times. A great champion and > gentleman. To Phil Hill, congratulations on a life well lived. > > Kurt Oblinger > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Yes Dorothy Deen coaxed him into racing a T at 2 for Her at an early race in Torry Pines July 1954 ist in Classs 10th Overall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 28 22:37:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> My memory of the conversation I had with him is not fresh (neither is my memory of what I had for dinner tonight), but as I recall he said he had a TR2 or 3, perhaps as a street car? That might explain why he took the ride. He expressed great fondness for them. In the conversations I had with him (fewer and shorter than I would have liked) he always impressed me as a guy who wouldn't exaggerate even to be nice. Well mannered but straightforward. On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Found it; > > 11-28-54 > Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca > Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th > overall - > 1st in class > > I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been > driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always > wondered > why he took this drive. > > Kurt Oblinger > > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >> >> mjb. From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:41:51 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: on 8/28/08 11:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis at mark at bradakis.com wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. Yes Dorothy Deen coaxed him into racing a TR2 for Her at an early race - Torrey Pines July 1954 I believe 1st in Classs 10th Overall From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:47:00 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Message-ID: on 8/29/08 12:10 AM, Kurt Oblinger at koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Found it; > > 11-28-54 > Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca > Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - > 1st in class > > I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been > driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered > why he took this drive. > > Kurt Oblinger November sounds better---- according to Jim, Dorothy winked a lot at him and got him to race the car!!! From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 23:07:41 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <48B7841D.4080306@verizon.net> A few years ago I started working up a magazine article for British Car on well known drivers who raced Triumphs early on in their careers. Dan Gurney's first road race was at Torrey Pines in 1955 in a TR2. Jim Clark rallied a TR2 early on and later drove a TR3 in some club races. Vic Elford rallied a Vitesse before becoming an endurance ace. Kurt O. Bill Babcock wrote: > My memory of the conversation I had with him is not fresh (neither is > my memory of what I had for dinner tonight), but as I recall he said > he had a TR2 or 3, perhaps as a street car? That might explain why he > took the ride. > He expressed great fondness for them. In the conversations I had with > him (fewer and shorter than I would have liked) he always impressed me > as a guy who wouldn't exaggerate even to be nice. Well mannered but > straightforward. > On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > >> Found it; >> >> 11-28-54 >> Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca >> Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - >> 1st in class >> >> I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been >> driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered >> why he took this drive. >> >> Kurt Oblinger >> >> >> Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >>> >>> mjb. > > From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Aug 29 01:05:31 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:05:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <020201c909a5$a0657fb0$0201a8c0@Bevan> MJB wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? I saw him and spoke to him on a number of occasions at the BMIHT museum in the UK when he brought over parties of North American visitors. Apart from being one of the most courteous of treasured motoring history icons (you'd be amazed at how many are/were arrogant and just downright rude!) he also demonstrated a very full and detailed grasp of the UK's motor industry evolution, the makes and models that made up the vehicle groups and their performance attributes. IMHO, you don't get that level of knowledge just reading books. You'll have driven the cars for some meaningful mileages, met and spoken with the people who designed and made them and got to know a lot more about all aspects in some detail. While this summary doesn't answer Mark's question, Phil Hill's knowledge was at such a level of refinement that I'd be very surprised if he hadn't driven all the Triumph sports cars extensively because it was clear he knew a great deal about the big saloons, their international rally car derivatives as well as the smaller and more sedate/budget priced non-sports cars. John Macartney From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 06:26:55 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:26:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen Message-ID: The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Aug 29 06:42:03 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:42:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen Message-ID: Talk to Bob Williams, our Chief of Tech. He lives in Wellesboro and does motorcycle tours all over PA. I'm sure he can give you some route instructions. Wellesboro is just south of Corning and is the beginning of the Grand Canyon of the East. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/29/2008 8:27:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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URL: From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 07:58:35 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:58:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <013001c909df$54cfc7b0$0300a8c0@Desktop> Joe After you get done with Watkins Glen, you should go down to D.C. and straighten out NASA. They could use help. Craig PS: nice job From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 07:54:49 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:54:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? Message-ID: See attachment...Steve can you do the video. John Macartney has a video camera and a tripod. All you need to do ius push button. Thanks! Joe A Amici - Where will the Legends Speak take place take place downtown? And where do I park? And it is at 3:00 PM? Looking forward to getting back to the Glen. My last visit was in 1968 to watch the Howmet (sp?) turbine cars run the Six Hour race. See you all downtown on Friday. This is going to be a great weekend! 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Can't address the legend thing... rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 08:22:46 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:22:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: FOT EXCLUSIVE: Randy Cook, well known and long time Saab Racer has rented a house and has a room available. Randy is a close friend of Ed Diehl's and will be coming to the Triumph Paddock to visit us. See particulars below from Randy. If you need a room, I wouldnt hesitate on checking this one out. Joe Alexander's Travel Service. (If someone latches onto this room let everyone know so Randy doesnt spend all of his time answering the phone....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------- Joe, Price for the room is $55 per couple per night. See you at the track. Randy Cook Cell 850-445-9299 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 08:48:37 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <403228.69590.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure - I can push a button.? We will work out the details at the track. --- On Fri, 8/29/08, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? To: sbracing at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 8:54 AM See attachment...Steve can you do the video. John Macartney has a video camera and a tripod. All you need to do ius push button. ?Thanks! ?Joe A Amici - Where will the Legends Speak take place take place downtown? ?And where do I park? ?And it is at 3:00 PM? Looking forward to getting back to the Glen. ?My last visit was in 1968 to watch the Howmet (sp?) turbine cars run the Six Hour race. See you all downtown on Friday. ?This is going to be a great weekend! Thumbs Up. Steve Benford Jr. Cell - 847-682-7718 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 08:55:53 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: Message-ID: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen. The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised - chalk it up to a communications failure among the "vintage" parties involved in the production effort, whose old Lucas wiring systems were not working at full connectivity! The shirts look great, but the Triumphs at the Glen Race artwork ended up on the front of the shirt instead of the back, there is no FOT logo on the front left (that's the screw-up) and as previously noted, there is now a black armband on the left that says "Jack Drews 1936-2008" . Ted says the shirts look terrrific - excellent color and good outwork, but we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was advertised. If anyone decides this is not what you bargained for, just let us know and we will sell it to someone else. We only ordered a few extras so they will be in short supply anyway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Fri Aug 29 09:09:15 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> References: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8CAD800563CDC93-7E0-CC@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen.? The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised....we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was advertised.... ==AM== I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 09:13:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:13:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: Scott & Ted Position of artwork is not likely a big issue, as most of us dont know whether we are coming or going. The front sounds fine to me. The substitution of "Jack Drews" on the sleeve was approved by me. I dont see that as a screw up. Is the FOT mentioned anywhere? I have not seen any advance artwork. Great job by all.....thanks for letting us know. Price reduction is appreciated, I am sure. I will buy all that is not sold. No loose ends there. Joe Alexander > For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered > shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen. > The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised - chalk > it up to a communications failure among the "vintage" parties involved in the > production effort, whose old Lucas wiring systems were not working at full > connectivity! > > The shirts look great, but the Triumphs at the Glen Race artwork ended up on > the front of the shirt instead of the back, there is no FOT logo on the > front left (that's the screw-up) and as previously noted, there is now a black > armband on the left that says "Jack Drews 1936-2008" . > > Ted says the shirts look terrrific - excellent color and good outwork, but > we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was > advertised. If anyone decides this is not what you bargained for, just let us > know and we will sell it to someone else. We only ordered a few extras so > they will be in short supply anyway. > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 29 09:18:30 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:18:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: > I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's > already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 > difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a > charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? > Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 10:18:19 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: Message-ID: I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 29 10:21:11 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:21:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 08/29/2008 11:15:33 AM Central Daylight Time, s.janzen at comcast.net writes: > I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he > is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. > If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to > the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority > on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum > in question is $560. > Certainly...it should be whatever is MOST convenient to you guys who are doing all of the work. Seems if people have been over charged, they can seek a refund, or make an contribution to Uncle Jack's fund. If they are charged correctly, they will be 'whole and happy', and can still make a contribution to Uncle Jack's fund on their own should they choose to. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Aug 29 10:34:29 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:34:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: <380-220088529163429414@M2W006.mail2web.com> I vote to leave the original price at $19 and donate the overage to Uncle Jack's memorial fund. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Scott Janzen s.janzen at comcast.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 To: BillDentin at aol.com, Herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 10:42:04 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:42:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> I'm with Bill, stay with the original amount and use the extra for Uncle Jacks Fund or FOT. Gary Horstkorta From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gary Horstkorta From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 11:29:05 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:29:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Heralds in the lead Message-ID: Bill Dentinger said something about Heralds..... May we all be able to keep within sight of this monster: http://www.hotrodgazette.com/hrg2.jpg Shane Ingate, only a 14s TR6, in NM _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Aug 29 11:43:45 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen References: Message-ID: <023801c909fe$c9d40bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi Marty, you sure you got the right route? It is probably Rt. 86, the old Rt 17/ Southern Tier Expressway, that you're referring to. It goes across the southern part of NY state. It is kind of deserted in spots. Bath/Hammondsport is a nice area, not far from the Glen. It's a hike to Olean, the next bigger city. Just north of Salamanca is Ellicottville, a neat resort/ski area with nice restaurants and shops. Jamestown is next, birthplace of Lucille Ball. Then I90 and Erie. Nice park at Presque Isle. Joe and Uncle Jack stopped by last spring. Joe picked up dinner and I bought ice cream at the park. Lots of places to stay and eat around Erie. Next is Ohio, home of those dreadful Buckeyes! But you knew that. Hope this helps. See you next week. Bill PS, top off your tanks in Ohio or PA, gas is more expensive in NY. ----- Original Message ----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. Marty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 12:16:35 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:16:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The FOT and VTR (WPTA) are honoring Joe & Dottie Richards at the Glen. 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He was waiting for the Ferrari transporter to arrive so he could get in some practice for the sports car race (1,000km?)coming up that weekend (he had never run on the 'Ring before). I offered him the use of my TR.2, but he declined. Instead he went out in his rental VW Beetle to start coming down the learning curve. 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Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen To: OldSaabRacer at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FOT EXCLUSIVE: Randy Cook, well known and long time Saab Racer has rented a house and has a room available. Randy is a close friend of Ed Diehl's and will be coming to the Triumph Paddock to visit us. See particulars below from Randy. If you need a room, I wouldnt hesitate on checking this one out. Joe Alexander's Travel Service. (If someone latches onto this room let everyone know so Randy doesnt spend all of his time answering the phone....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Fri Aug 29 12:30:10 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CAD81C6776D384-7E0-F31@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen well - Ted already started running credit cards thru at?$15, so we are going to leave it like that.? He will have an envelope for FOT /Uncle Jack donations when you pick up the shirts if you want to make an extra donation.? Sorry?for the confusion!? ==AM== That's fine. Is there a postal address and a preferred way to make out a check for those of us who can't be there? I still want to toss that extra $4 into whatever fund.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 12:43:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:43:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Message-ID: Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 29 12:48:26 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B8447A.20905@pobox.com> Does SVRA have reciprocity with other clubs? Some clubs will honor our annual tech with CVAR, which is noted in our log book. Does SVRA? Larry Young N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT Entrants: > > As indicated in earlier emails......Arrangements have been made to > tech the Triumphs in one location. This will save time for the > Triumphs and SVRA. The WPTA Hospitality Tent could be used > temporarily for this function. Have everything ready to tech and Bob > Williams will be a happy man. If you went to Thunderbolt you will > only need your Log Book. Joe Alexander > > See below from Jack Woerhle: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Sounds good to me. The Triumph corral will be outside the south gate >> of the garage area and they will have a tent. You might want to >> communicate with Joe Alexander on the exact location. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> SVRA Technical Director >> jwoesvra at aol.com >> 803-463-5388 >> FAX 803-794-8747 >> 701 Center Street >> West Columbia, SC 29169 >> In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:42:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ibexbob at ptd.net writes: >> >>> I am going to post a notice that anyone that went through Thunderbolt >>> TECH. need only bring their log book to TECH. to get passed through for >>> the Glen. I'll have a special time for the Trimuph people and >>> inspectors >>> to go to them since there are Forty cars in one place. >>> Thunderbolt was a very good and complete inspection with an >>> excellant crew >>> that took proper time with each inspection. >>> OK? >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "robert bownes" Subject: [Fot] WG get together Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 Size: 644 URL: From bownes at seiri.com Fri Aug 29 13:31:27 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:31:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: Indeed.... You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. 2008/8/29 > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "robert bownes" > > I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it > be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it > went to but darned if I can remember. > > > Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely > bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. > > ;-) > > Irv > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "robert bownes" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 > Subject: [Fot] WG get together > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. Questions; 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other Triumphs I should consider? 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 16:33:22 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Greg, We look forward to your presence in the PNW. I've had professional moved a few times. It's weird to watch some truck driver head down the road with nearly everything you own. In my case, it was my TR3 and TR8 too. Hurry up Greg. It starts to rain in a month and a half. Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fred peralta; Scott Paceley; Heather Gillett; don.clegg at carle.com; renee.potter at carle.com; barry.brehm at carle.com Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. 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URL: From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 16:39:26 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:39:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser In-Reply-To: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07ba01c90a28$187c51e0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Irv, If I can help in any way, please let me know. I'm about an hour away form Olympia Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:56 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob > Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. > > > Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his > lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. > > ;-) > > Irv > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "robert bownes" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 > Subject: [Fot] WG get together > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 17:45:03 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Chuck Arnold In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07c801c90a31$434b8db0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Chuck, I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your mother. I also understand how you feel about The Glen. I was trying to get there also, as I will be in Connecticut Monday-Thursday of that week on business, but could not tie up all the loose ends required to go out there in time to enjoy the weekend. Please keep us informed about the time and location of the funeral. My thoughts are with you and your family. Jack Covington, WA _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:44 PM To: Friends; Triumph; TR list Subject: [Fot] B&B available at the Glen event My mother, God rest her soul, died yesterday after a short sickness but many years of pain. I will always miss her,but am glad Ruth Arnold the person has gone to be with her husband in a happier and pain free place. That being said, it was a bad time to die for me as the funeral is Saturday the 6th. I am, therefore,having to cancel my trip to the Glen. I have a B&B reserved for 4 nights [Thurs-Sun] right in downtown Watkins Glen [Blossums B&B]. I have not yet let the proprieter know. IF anyone is interested in taking over this reservation, let me know today and when I cancel I will give them your contact information. 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I still want to toss that extra > $4 into whatever fund.... --Andy Mace From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 18:10:27 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <083020080010.3186.48B88FF30001CC1600000C722200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Jerry, Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jerry Barr I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: Indeed.... You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. 2008/8/29 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "robert bownes" I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. ;-) Irv ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "robert bownes" To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 29 19:06:53 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:06:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable candidate in the baseme Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > Right, something interesting I've been asked. > > If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what > would I run in. > > Background; > > 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. > 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. > 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. > 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. > > Questions; > > 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other > Triumphs I should consider? > 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? > > Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 19:20:59 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> What is a "Special"? Thanks. A. 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster > and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race > car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable > candidate in the baseme > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > > Right, something interesting I've been asked. > If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I > run in. > > Background; > > 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. > 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. > 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. > 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. > > Questions; > > 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other > Triumphs I should consider? > 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? > > Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 29 19:25:19 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:25:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> Cars like peyote and the ambro are specials. Anything that ran in the modified class. I'd think of building an ambro triumph if I hadn't already bought ambro 001. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > What is a "Special"? > > Thanks. > > A. > > 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . > Faster and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I > wojuldnt build a race car from a production car again. Even though I > have a very suitable candidate in the baseme > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > >> Right, something interesting I've been asked. >> >> If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what >> would I run in. >> >> Background; >> >> 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. >> 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. >> 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. >> 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. >> >> Questions; >> >> 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other >> Triumphs I should consider? >> 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? >> >> Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 20:32:13 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390808291932w5b00f210s9ad0c7058c988cd8@mail.gmail.com> Sweet, but I don't think it would be allowed to run in the "Sports Car" class with VARAC, it would be slotted into the Sports car class. Example... Well like yours :) http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/DSCN2308.html http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/IMG_8999.html I knew your name was familiar, met you back in 07 at Mosport. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/DSCN2309.html Love your trailer sir... Back to the class thing, I think for a novice, the sports car class might be a easier start. A. 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Cars like peyote and the ambro are specials. Anything that ran in the > modified class. I'd think of building an ambro triumph if I hadn't already > bought ambro 001. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > > What is a "Special"? > Thanks. > > A. > > 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock < BillB at bnj.com> > >> Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster >> and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race >> car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable >> candidate in the baseme >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" < >> andre at gt6.ca> wrote: >> >> Right, something interesting I've been asked. >> If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I >> run in. >> >> Background; >> >> 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. >> 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. >> 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. >> 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. >> >> Questions; >> >> 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other >> Triumphs I should consider? >> 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? >> >> Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - >> http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 21:17:51 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:17:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... In-Reply-To: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> References: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: >I've had professional moved a few times. It's weird to watch some truck driver head down the road with nearly everything you own. In my case, it was my TR3 and TR8 too. When my wife and I moved from Philadelphia to El Reno Oklahoma in the late 70s the movers wrapped and packed the dust bunnies... >Hurry up Greg. It starts to rain in a month and a half. Oh goody! I'll have plenty of time to build my slot track! Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: jibjib at att.net To: greenman62 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Fading fast... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700 Greg, We look forward to your presence in the PNW. Jack From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fred peralta; Scott Paceley; Heather Gillett; don.clegg at carle.com; renee.potter at carle.com; barry.brehm at carle.com Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3400 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Fri Aug 29 22:03:04 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:03:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Fading fast... Message-ID: Welcome Greg & family, to the Beautiful Pacific North West! Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:30:22 +0000 From: Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... To: "fot at autox.team.net" , fred peralta , Scott Paceley , Heather Gillett , "don.clegg at carle.com" , "renee.potter at carle.com" , "barry.brehm at carle.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... Regards L?on & family http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphs at consolidated.net Fri Aug 29 22:26:44 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:26:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <380-220088529163429414@M2W006.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Me too. Ken Gano -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:34 AM To: s.janzen at comcast.net; billdentin at aol.com; herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I vote to leave the original price at $19 and donate the overage to Uncle Jack's memorial fund. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Scott Janzen s.janzen at comcast.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 To: BillDentin at aol.com, Herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 30 05:52:46 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <0F5B2BA9.2E9ED6DF.00159EE9@cs.com> I wondered about that....now I remember. Joe & Jan We are near O'Hare collecting an OLDE ENGLISH ENGINE for use at the Glen. Yes Irv.... >Jerry, > >Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Jerry Barr >I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. > >On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: > > >Indeed.... > >You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. > >Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. > > > > >2008/8/29 > > > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: "robert bownes" > > >I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. >Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. >;-) >Irv > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: "robert bownes" >To: fot at autox.team.net >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 >Subject: [Fot] WG get together >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 07:07:43 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would indeed be me. I will be at the Glen but car will be staying home. If you happen to have seen the link of the in car video I posted last month from VTR, that was the car I was driving. If anybody lives near Bob and could snag these for me on the way to the Glen I would appreciate it. Thanks, Marty Sukey Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:02:47 -0400 From: bownes at seiri.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] WG get together I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. In any case, I found a package of documentation here that goes with it. if the new owner will be there and if someone is driving by my place I'd love to send it along. Otherwise, just an address would rock. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. 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He >> used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" >> on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy >> V-6 in it. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Jerry Barr >> I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from >> Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. >> >> On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: >> >> >> Indeed.... >> >> You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. >> >> Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> 2008/8/29 >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "robert bownes" >> >> >> I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. >> Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob >> Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. >> Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his >> lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. >> ;-) >> Irv >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "robert bownes" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 >> Subject: [Fot] WG get together >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure it hurt poor Bob Kamholz' feelings, as he was proud of the car, but truth be told it was scary looking (even before you turned it on), and even if it could have 'passed Tech', the VSCDA had no real place for it. Seems to me Bob also had some sort of exotic Triumph powered special as well. If I remember, it was exotic, but also needed tons of renovation and restoration. I used to see him often in the 1980s and early 1990s. I first met Bob at an autocross he was running. He was very enthusiastic, and had set the whole thing up himself. I remember him as being a very special 'Character'. Very likable. Now that they have this Reality TV, I think he and his family could be making a fortune. Hell...he could afford to go racing like he really wanted to. I miss him. Bill (Damdinger). **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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He told the scrutineer that he had wrecked the car two weeks earlier and that he had spent every day and night since the wreck repairing it so that he could run in ELVF XII. Triumph was the Featured Marque. He told the scrutineer that he had been up all night and just finished painting it that morning at 2:30 and came straight to the track. It smelled like paint. He said that he painted it orange so that WHEN he spun out, he would be easily seen and avoided. Mind you, Bob was telling the scrutineer this as reasons he SHOULD be allowed to run. The scrutineer (I like saying scrutineer) allowed Bob to run Track Touring but no race group. I ran Track Touring in The Blue TR3 and noticed the orange car off at a turn. Later I asked him what happened and he replied, "In all the last minute rushing around to get the car ready, we forgot to put gas in it!" John H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Russ, We are headed out sometime today but it looks like we will be taking a more leisurely tour on the way up to the Glen rather than busting to get there. Thank you for the kind offer to store my car. My wife has family in the Pittsburg area and I think we will be spending time there instead. They just visited us, 3 kids in tow and I'm still worn out from that experience. I was hoping to get some quiet time but family comes first. See you at the track. Thanks again, Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Aug 30 16:25:59 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:25:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B9C8F7.90806@141.com> Bill, Bob's special was a Jamaican. You can see pictures here on our web site. http://www.141.com/triumphs/Jamaican.html Brad BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/30/2008 12:15:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > jrherrera90 at hotmail.com writes: > > >> <<< Jerry, >> >> Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used >> to have a chedder color TR3, had the words 'Eat Cheese or Die' on the >> back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. >> >> Was this car at ELVF XII in 1996 freshly painted (that morning at >> 2:30 AM) International Orange? >>> > > > Probably, but I don't believe it was never approved and/or allowed to > race at any sanctioned events. > > I am sure it hurt poor Bob Kamholz' feelings, as he was proud of the > car, but truth be told it was scary looking (even before you turned it > on), and even if it could have 'passed Tech', the VSCDA had no real > place for it. Seems to me Bob also had some sort of exotic Triumph > powered special as well. If I remember, it was exotic, but also > needed tons of renovation and restoration. > > I used to see him often in the 1980s and early 1990s. I first met Bob > at an autocross he was running. He was very enthusiastic, and had set > the whole thing up himself. I remember him as being a very special > 'Character'. Very likable. Now that they have this Reality TV, I > think he and his family could be making a fortune. Hell...he could > afford to go racing like he really wanted to. I miss him. > > Bill (Damdinger). > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your > travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1642 - Release Date: 8/29/2008 6:12 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Aug 30 17:03:59 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections References: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Preiss To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Did Standard Triumph ever develop formal connections with either of the big three U.S. automakers? Steve P. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Herald948 at aol.com Sat Aug 30 18:06:06 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:06:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Message-ID: In a message dated 8/30/2008 7:05:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. As I recall, there also had been earlier discussions with Nash/Kelvinator, nee American Motors, about powering the Metropolitan. Of course, that ended up with BMC power and even an Austin badge in England (Nash or Hudson badge in the US). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 30 19:39:44 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Big" triumph e-mail list subscription Message-ID: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> Anyone know how to subscribe to the "Big" triumph e-mail listserve? It doesn't seem to be one of the autox.team.net lists... (subscribe triumphs returns invalid list or some such, and when I search for it, nothing looks likely). Thanks, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 30 20:10:44 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Big" triumph e-mail list subscription In-Reply-To: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> References: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20080831021034.867DD187648@autox.team.net> Got it now. Thanks Brad! - Tony At 08:39 PM 8/30/2008, Tony Drews wrote: >Anyone know how to subscribe to the "Big" triumph e-mail >listserve? It doesn't seem to be one of the autox.team.net >lists... (subscribe triumphs returns invalid list or some such, and >when I search for it, nothing looks likely). > >Thanks, Tony Drews From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Aug 30 20:17:02 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to clarify a bit: The Nash (or Hudson) Metropolitan was built by Austin at the Longbridge plant and had a BMC 4-cyl, 1500, I believe. It was also marketed in the UK and Europe.Trouble is, it wasn't a sports car or an economy sedan so it was trying to create a new market niche and never penetrated. I don't know much about the potential Standard Triumph and Nash project but it could have had a lot of similarities to British Leyland. Nash was in financial trouble all through the '50s and joining up with Hudson and Packard didn't help. By 1964, American Motors was taking a whole new direction with Rambler as it's only product name. Nash, Hudson and Packard were all gone. Think what a drain AMC might have been on Standard-Triumph's finances even before ST sale went to hell in 1961. Mike Cook From: BillDentin at aol.comDate: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:29 -0400To: standardtriumph at btinternet.com; spreiss at verizon.net; fot at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Standard connections I thought I read some where that Nash (later, American Motors) was giving engines to Donald Healey, when he couldn't strike a deal with Chrysler, Ford or GM. And then, of course, American Motors later offered a little Metropolitan, which was sure Herald like in many aspects, and I think it had a British engine. Bill Dentinger In a message dated 8/30/2008 6:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Think > what a drain AMC might have been on Standard-Triumph's finances even before ST > sale went to hell in 1961. > Mike... Yeah. With such a limp effort, it's no wonder there was no penetration. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 31 08:48:06 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... Message-ID: <589745.97860.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Time is close now, ? so here is to all of you having fun at the glen...? I'll lift a glass of London Porter to you all on Sat night, and wish I were there with you. ? Have fun, be safe, and post lots of pics, videos and tales. ? I for one would love to see in car footage from that track so I can live vicariously through all of you.? Spit stuff especially... ? Go fast. ? Be safe. ? Dont break. ? Have fun. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm ? PS.? I'll be trying to get my engine together. #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Aug 31 20:55:27 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:55:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Quick ratio steering box for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <016c01c90a53$eb856100$b1191718@computer> References: <016c01c90a53$eb856100$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: I had many of the same concerns before decideing on this up grade. Its not twitchy at all and works great. I had to adjust my turn in input on the first couple sessions but I stoped thinking about it quickly. I recently crashed (May) and had to replace it I debated just going back to one of the stock racks,but after installing the stock rack and turning while on plactic baggies in the garage and a friend conviceing me useing the old bent one was not wise I begrudingly payed up for a new one. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Quick ratio steering box for a TR6 This particular TR6 is never on the street. I mostly autocross, do some hillclimbs, and in the future will be doing some course racing. I believe that the quick ratio box would be ideal for autocross and even though speeds reach 90 mph on the hillclimbs, the straights are short enough, I believe the quick box would work there too. Not sure about course racing. Whether or not it would be too twitchy. Any thoughts on any of this would be greatly appreciated. I'm getting ready to go to solid mounts for the steering so it would be the time to swap the box out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 31 21:54:17 2008 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... References: <589745.97860.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c90be6$699054e0$28524c0c@user90890nvpgh> Amici, Just this evening got the # 57 Stadel Ambro running again. Sounds like a big evil chainsaw. Thanks Uncle Jack,Ken G, and Glen Eff for all the help. Now off to the Glen. Rich Rock Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... Time is close now, so here is to all of you having fun at the glen... I'll lift a glass of London Porter to you all on Sat night, and wish I were there with you. Have fun, be safe, and post lots of pics, videos and tales. I for one would love to see in car footage from that track so I can live vicariously through all of you. Spit stuff especially... Go fast. Be safe. Dont break. Have fun. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm PS. I'll be trying to get my engine together. #4 white spitfire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In writing back, I am also acknowledging your personal friendship with Jack which has been a strength to both of you over the years. ? These are trying times however, I am pleased that?the Kastner Cup will be dedicated to?Jack - that is very fitting and through this, his memory shall be long lived. ? Clifford ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:45:21 AM Subject: Jack Drews FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. ?No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. ?Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. ?Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. ?While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. ?Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 07:06:07 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:06:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: <601579.81112.qm@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, Joe your right _ JFK is way off in the East which means transitting NY!!? Newark is far better (I will be flying in to there and then on to Buffalo.? Then it's a 2 hour driver from there - sort of south east!!!? Keith, I will pass you Dana and I's flight details later and see if it matches what your thinking of - may be we can meet up and travel there and back together (we leave on the Monday!) ? ? ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:40:15 AM Subject: Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 09:59:41 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! Message-ID: <15664.16203.qm@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, it's Clifford here.? I'm traveling on Continental (Newark is one of the major hubs).? I am ending up in Buffalo which is a bit of a drive to Watkins however when I checked your 3 destinations it was very expensive compared to Buffalo. However, I think you may well be right in Binghampton and may be Rochester/Syracuse as Keith would be purchasing a through ticket ex the UK which means the domestic leg will just be a little add on owing to the transatlantic fare (thats how they normally do it!).? Us guys that live in the USA tend to get ripped off if we use commuter/business route which your three choices are - I'll run a check and see what the fares are like this end as sometimes its cheaper to book here... Clifford ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Boruch To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net; clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! If driving from the airport, Newark would be best, but Keith, you may consider taking a shuttle flight from NY or Newark to Binghampton or Syracuse or Rochester. Binghampton is about an hour drive and Syracuse and Rochester about 1.5 hours. Joe(B) -- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 12:49:45 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: <428583.90084.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, thanks for all your assistance.? I have now booked Keith to Buffalo, via Newark and Dana and I will meet up with him there and drive him to Watkins Glen.? Dana and I are staying over?at a hotel in?Ithana (20 odd miles east of Watkins). ? I will also take Keith back to Buffalo Monday morning (leaving Watkins at 3.15 am) - unless someone else is going that was that early (I MUST BE MAD LOL!). ? Again, thanks - now the only thing that is stopping me un-crossing all my appendages is getting the engine out of customs and down to Joe and Co tomorrow!!! ? Keep the faith......... ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Sohl To: N197TR4 at cs.com; Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:07:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. ? Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also:? cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? 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Gary's story and two photos are included in the program. glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; FirstTR2 at aol.com ; mshoemaker at theglen.com ; glendagephart at htva.net ; glenda at racingarchives.org Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1641 - Release Date: 8/29/2008 7:07 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mshoemaker at theglen.com Fri Aug 29 13:11:14 2008 From: mshoemaker at theglen.com (Shoemaker, Marianne) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E71A9409C8EF94A81F3EB76C2A0DE2603671D06@DABWINEXVS01.int.iscmotorsports.com> Hello!! I had a different understanding, based on long ago conversations... We had prepared a place of honor on the court house lawn right across from the main stage for the TS1 LO. This is where each year's car of honor is displayed... Our thinking was that it would be on display there all day during the festival and would be referred to during the part of the ceremonies that is for a tribute to Triumph. Participation in the Tour de Marque or any other of the "Rallye" events would preclude that. We had also thought that it would be on display at Thursday's PrixView Party at the track. But please let me know if we need to make other plans! Oh - the Tour de Marque is now full... we closed registration for that event some time ago, I think. Marianne Shoemaker Director of Guest and Special Services Watkins Glen International 2790 County Route 16 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 (607) 535-2486 ext. 256 Fax: (607) 535-3350 mshoemaker at theglen.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. International Speedway Corporation, 1901 West International Speedway Blvd., Daytona Beach, FL, 32114. www.iscmotorsports.com ________________________________ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:44 PM To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; FirstTR2 at aol.com; Shoemaker, Marianne; glendagephart at htva.net; glenda at racingarchives.org Subject: Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 31 11:11:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:11:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph People, Parts & Posters at The Glen Message-ID: ALL TRIUMPH FOLKS Some notes on the forthcoming Vintage Grand Prix at Watkins Glen with the featured car being our Triumphs. You all know, Ted Schumacher and he is almost 20 years into vending at The Glen. See Ted at his booth. While not vending at the Glen, folks like Richard Good, Tony Vigliotti, Matt Bakes, TRF, Moss, and A.R.E. will be represented. Look for them in the Triumph Paddock. Tony Drews will be bringing some inventory on the Heavy Duty Front Spindles and Spacers, that Uncle Jack developed. Uncle Jack's recent TR6 seat bracket for Miata Conversions, will be there. We will all be wandering around the Triumph Paddock most of the time, and you will want to visit...... CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS OLDE ENGLISH PUB.... with that Limey, Gary Hunter, as Bartender. AND CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS IS THE OFFICIAL SPONSOR OF THE KASTNER CUP TROPHY RACE ON SUNDAY AT 3:00pm There are free posters for VTR members and Kas Kastner and other interesting folks will be lurking around to sign them. Posters may also be available for sale to non-VTR members for a very nominal cost. The President of VTR, Blake Discher, will be on hand. If you know anything about the Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association, (VTR) they are the Official Hosts for the Friends of Triumph and can be found in their familiar STRIPED TENT. Of course, we are HONORING JOE & DOTTIE RICHARDS and the meticulously restored TR2 TS1 LO. TS1 LO will be on display at the Grand Prix Festival in The Glen and in the Triumph Paddock. On Saturday night we will be celebrating the Life of Uncle Jack Drews. The Kastner Cup Race will be dedicated to Uncle Jack and will feature "THE MISSING MAN FORMATION" on the PACE LAP. The Kastner Cup Honorary Pace Car will be the Triumph TR2 TS1 LO, that has been purchased by Robert Parker Smith, and will become part of his private collection Hawaii. The Glen will also be the location that JOHN MACARTNEY is going officially kick off the promotion of the TransAmerica Charity Drive in the US & Canada. He will be on hand to discuss and has a powerpoint presentation. LOOK AT: There's a lot more, but that's enuff. I got to pack. See you there! Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Fri Aug 1 02:48:12 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:48:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) In-Reply-To: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> References: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> Message-ID: <4892CDCC.5030502@bradakis.com> Well, this one is somewhat closer to my budget than a few of the other cars that have made recent mention. I would really like to have that Vitesse that was recently available, but with a starting bid of $25,000 that ain't gonna happen. Then again, there are about 280 folks on the FOT list - if I charged each and every one of them say, $150 for a lifetime membership... I have been starting to think about racing again. I got burned out on it after my years of trying to keep IVR events at Wendover going, losing my job, blah blah blah. I really should set a goal of getting a car out on Miller's track as soon as possible. At least this week I got the clutch sorted out on the beater white squaretail Spit, so I can start driving that around town again. That will be nice. mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 07:19:01 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:19:01 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> Message-ID: The Jag had a flat tire. The race were stopped per red flag. That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side to my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 An: Friends of Triumph Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox failure? Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > Hi @ all, > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > Have fun with these: > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > them all > in the green hell and bind them. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 1 07:32:12 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:32:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> Message-ID: <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> Yeah I noticed he had a moment the lap before. Never seen an overdrive setup in race use before, was interesting. Looks like you have to plan your shifts a little more to take full advantage of the extra gears. Or do you opt to go into 3rd and use the od as 4th? Were you blipping the throttle between od shifts to keep the RPM up? Thanks. A. 2008/8/1 MadMarx > The Jag had a flat tire. > The race were stopped per red flag. > That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side > to > my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Andre Rousseau > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 > An: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > > That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. > > Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox > failure? > > Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi @ all, > > > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > > > Have fun with these: > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > > them all > > in the green hell and bind them. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 07:45:36 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:45:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390807231516t6b10ce0by1092b8ad63f146ff@mail.gmail.com> <000e01c8ed37$d7a13670$8714e304@jrg> <001701c8f27b$5cd6f670$6402a8c0@HOME> <2C15F9D7-D28C-40E8-8FB4-48ECAA7EE5BD@gt6.ca> <4362ae390808010632r7df5a16bw9b65686be8d392c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The 3rd+OD is a little shorter than 4th so I use this combination on shorter straights. I shift up under full throttle without clutch release and on the two long straights I use 4th + OD as a 5th gear. To overcome the gap between 2nd and 3rd I use 2nd+OD and then go up to 3rd. When I start I shift through the gear using OD. On down shifts I use clutch and always blip the throttle between the gears and again when I release clutch. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Andre Rousseau Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 15:32 An: Friends of Triumph Triumph Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch Yeah I noticed he had a moment the lap before. Never seen an overdrive setup in race use before, was interesting. Looks like you have to plan your shifts a little more to take full advantage of the extra gears. Or do you opt to go into 3rd and use the od as 4th? Were you blipping the throttle between od shifts to keep the RPM up? Thanks. A. 2008/8/1 MadMarx > The Jag had a flat tire. > The race were stopped per red flag. > That's why when I pulled off the track some cars came from the right side > to > my line, they came through the emergency exit to the pitlane. > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im > Auftrag von Andre Rousseau > Gesendet: Freitag, 1. August 2008 04:21 > An: Friends of Triumph Triumph > Betreff: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > > That E Type Spin must of had a huge pucker effect eh. > > Even worst the fact it was still sitting there a lap later. Gearbox > failure? > > Nice running. Enjoyed both videos. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > > On 30-Jul-08, at 3:27 PM, MadMarx wrote: > > > Hi @ all, > > > > was at Brands Hatch racing. > > > > Race 1 I was black flagged because of smoking on the track > > > > Race 2 I had to retire after I melted a piston from 95 octane fuel > > > > No I have to rebuild that engine again. > > > > Have fun with these: > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-1.wmv > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/download/tc-2008-74-brands-2.wmv > > > > > > http://www.tr4-racing.de/ > > One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring > > them all > > in the green hell and bind them. > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 07:50:42 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg - Lunker Hilyer) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 07:50:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? Message-ID: <507B87BE-E909-4AAC-B0DB-7D67D0DB91D1@earthlink.net> Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Aug 1 07:57:36 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? In-Reply-To: <507B87BE-E909-4AAC-B0DB-7D67D0DB91D1@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's crew. It's possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father has sworn he was Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling me everything he did. So now tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? - Ed - Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 1 08:03:12 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:03:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? Message-ID: In a message dated 08/01/2008 8:58:04 AM Central Daylight Time, edwardbarnard at prodigy.net writes: > Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's crew. It's > possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father has sworn he was > Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling me everything he did. So now > tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? > I've had similar sensations all my life. I have a subconscious recollection of being out on an ice flow...fishing, or seal hunting (ALA Eskimo style). Always felt I may have been an Eskimo hundreds (or thousands) of years ago. I also felt, that if it is true...I hope I don't remember anything else about it. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:44:20 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Brands Hatch Message-ID: << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel.>> I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u p using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Aug 1 10:48:47 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:48:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) Message-ID: For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it would start working again. I finally blew one of them up. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) Return-path: From: WEmery7451 at aol.com Full-name: WEmery7451 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com CC: fot at autox.team.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the steering wheel.>> I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u p using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. ************** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) From lunkercars at earthlink.net Fri Aug 1 12:43:49 2008 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Racer Psychology? In-Reply-To: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <779910.20556.qm@web81208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8A016D25-CB7D-4999-B4B4-18C305603D53@earthlink.net> Probably a good night's sleep. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:57 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Perhaps in a previous life you were the chief on Sterling Moss's > crew. It's possible...after all even before he turned 85 my father > has sworn he was Julius Caesar. Taught me Roman history by telling > me everything he did. So now tell us; what's Moss's secret to speed? > - Ed - > > Greg - Lunker Hilyer wrote: > Guess I've got racing on the brain. This is too good not to share; > Apparently I was giving some type of speech in my sleep last night. > Among a bunch of babble, Connie swears the one intelligible line was > ' We can't second guess God or Sterling Moss when it comes to these > little cars'. I somehow doubt that she's making this up. I think > perhaps I need help. Any insight out there? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 13:26:25 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 21:26:25 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) References: Message-ID: <003901c8f40c$7e835420$6402a8c0@HOME> I learned shifting OD from Tony Drews. He is doing very well with his OD. My knob is at the steering because I don't have to take the hands of the wheel while shifting. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:48 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) > For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it > apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it would start > working again. > > I finally blew one of them up. > ************** > Get fantasy football with free > live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. > > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > Return-path: > From: WEmery7451 at aol.com > Full-name: WEmery7451 > Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch > To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com > CC: fot at autox.team.net > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d > > << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at the > steering wheel.>> > > I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding switch. Some people > said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two > speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. > > The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never find > another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the > parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I gave u > p > using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted Shoemaker). > > I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. > ************** > Get > fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football > today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Fri Aug 1 14:45:40 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:45:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR/NATC convention Message-ID: <489375F4.5030203@bright.net> List members, if you are attending this event, please stop by our display. We will be open Tuesday - Thursday in the hotel vendor area and Friday at the car show. Engine, suspension, brake goodies all on display along with our gear reduction starters. Tuesday afternoon I am presenting a tech session on testing, tools and performance. Wednesday morning Mike Cook and myself are doing a session on what it was like "in the day". This will be from a corporate viewpoint, dealer viewpoint and competition viewpoint. "Win on Sunday and hopefully sell on Monday!" If there is something you want me to bring, please call or email soon. If I can bring it along, you save shipping. See you there. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Aug 1 18:21:32 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:21:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) Message-ID: <20080802002120.7F34218763E@autox.team.net> >My OD switch is in the top of my custom-made shift knob (came with >the car, no idea where to get another). > >Here's a couple of fun videos from that one. >Grattan, Aug, 2004, decent dice with Jeff Snook in a TR-3 (skip the >first 2:30 to cut to the race start, most of the action is over by >the 20 minute mark): http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyGrattan08222004web.wmv > >Road America, May, 2007, nice dice with Rick Gurolnick in a white >open top 356 (Starting from the back of the pack - this one has a >last lap pass): http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyDrewsRA05202007full.wmv > >I was running worn Hoosier Vintage TD's at Grattan, so the car was >moving around a bit - more and more as the race went on. I was >running Toyo Proxes at Road America - they're not faster, but less >prone to oversteer for me. > >- Tony D > >At 02:26 PM 8/1/2008, you wrote: >>I learned shifting OD from Tony Drews. >>He is doing very well with his OD. >> >>My knob is at the steering because I don't have to take the hands >>of the wheel >>while shifting. >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 6:48 PM >>Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Brands Hatch (Addendum) >> >> >> > For years, I used an overdrive. It would quit working. I would take it >> > apart, find nothing wrong with it, put it back together, and it >> would start >> > working again. >> > >> > I finally blew one of them up. >> > ************** >> > Get fantasy football with free >> > live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. >> > >> > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >> > Return-path: >> > From: WEmery7451 at aol.com >> > Full-name: WEmery7451 >> > Message-ID: >> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:44:20 EDT >> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Brands Hatch >> > To: mdporter at dfn.com, BillDentin at aol.com >> > CC: fot at autox.team.net >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> > X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 >> > X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html by demime 1.01d >> > >> > << I am not running an overdrive gearbox currently, but there is a knob at >>the >> > steering wheel.>> >> > >> > I used a gear shift knob for years with a side sliding >> switch. Some people >> > said that it was a fan switch, and others said it was for shifting the two >> > speed axles on the old trailer truck tractors. >> > >> > The internal parts finally wore and would come apart, and I could never >>find >> > another switch like this one. I would disassemble the switch and put the >> > parts back together, and even made a couple of parts for it. Finally, I >>gave u >> > p >> > using it and installed a switch on the gear shift (suggested by Ted >>Shoemaker). >> > >> > I still use the original switch as a gear shifter knob. >> > ************** >> > Get >> > fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy >>Football >> > today. >> > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spreiss at verizon.net Fri Aug 1 05:08:38 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 22:08:38 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) References: <20080729091334.803F52B801@web3p.int.craigslist.org> <4892CDCC.5030502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <007a01c8f3c6$f3945d40$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Spitfire Racecar - $4750 (Evansville, WI) > Well, this one is somewhat closer to my budget than a few of the other cars > that have made recent mention. I would really like to have that Vitesse > that > was recently available, but with a starting bid of $25,000 that ain't gonna > happen. You and every other drooling Triumph idiot. > > Then again, there are about 280 folks on the FOT list - if I charged each > and every one of them say, $150 for a lifetime membership... You deserve it! > > I have been starting to think about racing again. I got burned out on it > after my years of trying to keep IVR events at Wendover going, losing > my job, blah blah blah. I really should set a goal of getting a car out > on Miller's track as soon as possible. At least this week I got the clutch > sorted out on the beater white squaretail Spit, so I can start driving that > around town again. That will be nice. It certainly has been rewarding for me to have a TR for the street. Tonite while sitting in my TR3 waiting for the right moment to fire it up and head home from a "First Friday", three kids came walking by and took notice. Without breaking stride the pre-adolescent girl in the group commented, "That car is cold!" Not sure of the meaning of this comment I called back to the group. "I hope that's a good thing". Her older brother replied reassuringly, "It is, very! The ride home was especially enjoyable. Steve P. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Dlhogye at aol.com Fri Aug 1 20:56:15 2008 From: Dlhogye at aol.com (Dlhogye at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 22:56:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend Message-ID: Hello Friends of Triumph, My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I live in Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the Cleveland, Ohio area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest recollections. The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar Cleveland where he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some great pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the subjects during a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car influence of mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and name sake and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet just a few years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I worked as a BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've collected a few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 Galaxie 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first race car to the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found the car locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was last registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought it in pretty close to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not bolted to the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was about 32 years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a rotisserie at my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly the inner support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in beautiful condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all the critical areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild many moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, including a small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, that is, according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' competition book, a factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I bought the car. The trans is non-overdrive. I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who know TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. Sincerly, Dave Hogye dlhogye@ aol.com ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 2 09:13:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:13:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen-Update of Guest List Message-ID: FOT, I am going to try to get back into the detail of planning for The Glen. Our engine is largely installed after being run on UNCLE JACK'S test stand. Broken pieces located in transmission and awaiting delivery of replacement parts. I think #197 is going to make it to the Glen. Right now I am updating the FOT GUEST LIST.....If you are coming and not running, I will want your name. And your S.O., if this applies. (I especially want your name if you are doing something to support our event) Please respond....this may be the last run I have at this. Thanks, Joe Alexander From budscars at comcast.net Sat Aug 2 10:25:27 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:25:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend References: Message-ID: <004301c8f4bc$60264950$0302a8c0@Bud> Thanks Dave..for taking the time to fill us in...If you are at the Monterey Historics look me up..I'll be with Jerry Burr, # 108 Formula 4 Legrand looking forward to meeting youi Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend > Hello Friends of Triumph, > My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I live > in > Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the Cleveland, > Ohio > area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest > recollections. > The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar Cleveland > where > he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some great > pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the subjects > during > a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car influence > of > mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and name > sake > and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet just a > few > years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I worked > as a > BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've > collected a > few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 > Galaxie > 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first race > car to > the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found the car > locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was last > registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought it in > pretty close > to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not bolted > to > the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was about > 32 > years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a > rotisserie at > my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly the > inner > support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in > beautiful > condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all the > critical > areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild many > moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, including > a > small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, that is, > according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' competition > book, a > factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I > bought the > car. The trans is non-overdrive. > I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who know > TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. > Sincerly, > Dave Hogye > dlhogye@ aol.com > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 2 10:49:48 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:49:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] An introduction from a new Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dave, Please let me know if you need any reference pictures of my TR3 race car. ~Steve Belfer On Aug 1, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Dlhogye at aol.com wrote: > Hello Friends of Triumph, > My name is Dave Hogye (last name pronounced like the sandwich), I > live in > Santa Cruz, Ca. I spent the first 22 years of my life in the > Cleveland, Ohio > area. I've been interested in cars and racing since my earliest > recollections. > The year I was born, 1963, my father was a salesman for Jaguar > Cleveland where > he sold all British makes as well as Alfa and Porsche. I have some > great > pictures of him in the shop where a number of TR3s and 4s are the > subjects during > a factory service clinic being held for customers. Another car > influence of > mine was my father's good friend Dave Smith. He is my godfather and > name sake > and was a life long SCCA racer until he finally hung up his helmet > just a few > years ago. I've always wanted to follow in his "racer footsteps". I > worked as a > BMW mechanic (cars & bikes) my first few years in Santa Cruz. I've > collected a > few motorcycles through the years and still own my first car, a '63 > Galaxie > 500XL. The Galaxie would make a great tow rig for getting my first > race car to > the track. That car would be my first Triumph, a 1960 TR3. I found > the car > locally, or did it find me? One thing for sure, it needs me. It was > last > registered in'76. The guy I got it from bought it in '80. He bought > it in pretty close > to the same condition that I bought it from him. The body was not > bolted to > the frame and someone had begun a restoration. I'm guessing that was > about 32 > years ago. I've completely disassembled the car. The body is on a > rotisserie at > my home shop. I'll be replacing the left side rocker and possibly > the inner > support and battery box. Everything else is solid. The frame is in > beautiful > condition. I've had it stripped and I'm preparing to reinforce all > the critical > areas. The engine obviously had very few miles on it after a rebuild > many > moons ago. I'll be needing all the usual racing upgrades though, > including a > small port head and 87mm. kit. It does have competition pushrods, > that is, > according to Kas Kastner's competition book. I purchased Kas' > competition book, a > factory manual and TR restoration guide within the first week that I > bought the > car. The trans is non-overdrive. > I look forward to building my car with the assistance of those who > know > TRs which would of course include Friends of Triumph. > Sincerly, > Dave Hogye > dlhogye@ aol.com > > > ************** > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 3 08:18:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:18:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire- Large Journal 1300 Scraper and Windage Tray Available Message-ID: FOT I have an I - J scraper and a windage tray 'work in process' and now available. Contact me if you would like to pick up this cancelled order. Thanks, Joe A From tedtsimx at bright.net Sun Aug 3 11:38:29 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 13:38:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen apparel order Message-ID: <4895ED15.7040301@bright.net> The "drop dead" date is at hand. Production will start August 11 so orders must be in by Friday, August 8. Thanks to Scott Janzen for all his work and to all FOT members for their support of this project. Since it is a political year, remember - "order early, order often". Ted From vanlake at bellsouth.net Sun Aug 3 12:56:06 2008 From: vanlake at bellsouth.net (vanlake at bellsouth.net) Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:56:06 +0000 Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS Message-ID: <080320081856.9732.4895FF46000747080000260422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your application? thanks Mark. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Aug 3 14:54:30 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 13:54:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS References: <080320081856.9732.4895FF46000747080000260422218801869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF0A050E04020E90@att.net> Message-ID: <018b01c8f5ab$2051bea0$0602a8c0@desktop> Heavy duty gasket from Moss Motors and dry. 695-050 & 695-060 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT List (FOT)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS > Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of > exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with > the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your > application? thanks Mark. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Sun Aug 3 16:19:35 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS In-Reply-To: <018b01c8f5ab$2051bea0$0602a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <216567.62593.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I second this! Great gasket at a decent price...and they are reuseable many times. Also available for the TR3-4 motor. - Ed - Charly Mitchel wrote: Heavy duty gasket from Moss Motors and dry. 695-050 & 695-060 Charly Mitchel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "FOT List (FOT)" Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 11:56 AM Subject: [Fot] tr6 INTAKE / EXHAUST GASKETS > Just wondering what the TR-6 racers think is the best type / brand of > exhaust / intake gasket out there these days. Not having much luck with > the Payton (sp) brand. are you also using any sealant with your > application? thanks Mark. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 4 04:12:29 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 06:12:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on a solid axle TR4? From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 4 05:24:39 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 07:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: Henry, Are you saying you have? Anything is possible, these old crocks we run around in and race are not getting any younger you know. Plus they weren't all that stout to begin with, except when compared to MGs... Metal fatigue is a real issue, and not just for suspension and steering bits. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 6:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on a solid axle TR4? _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 4 06:14:04 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 07:14:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Henry; My TR4 had that problem and I think it came from putting in heavy oil years ago. When I rebuilt it I added gussets on the back side for more support after rewelding the bottom to the frame. My TR3 was also showing signs of pulling loose. Dean T. On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame > on a solid axle TR4? Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net B http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot B From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Aug 4 09:09:07 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts References: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Bolts are usually for tightening in tension. But the bolts for the rear lever shocks are different in that when the lever arm moves up or down during a bump, the shock body wants to rotate. If the bolts are not tight (in tension) then the body of the shock will rotate and the holes in the support will become oval. This could lead to weakening the support welded to the frame. I found it difficult to get a socket on the hex head because there is so little clearance beween the socket and the recessed part of the casting for the shock body. To keep mine tight, I made 4 tubes 1-1/4" long and mounted the shocks with bolts 1-1/4" longer than the original bolts. This puts the hex head further away from the shock body and because the hex head is now away from the casting, it allows me to get a big socket on the head to make sure the bolts are all really tight. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Henry Frye" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > Henry; > My TR4 had that problem and I think it came from putting > in heavy oil years ago. When I rebuilt it I added gussets on the back > side for more support after rewelding the bottom to the frame. My TR3 > was also showing signs of pulling loose. > > Dean T. > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Henry Frye wrote: > >> Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame >> on > a solid axle TR4? > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net B > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > B > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Aug 4 12:26:00 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> References: <28276474.5123411217852044800.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Message-ID: <0d86109344f98374b6b8c271da575a2a.squirrel@webmail.ntelos.net> > I found it difficult to get a socket on the hex head because there is so > little clearance between the socket and the recessed part of the casting > for the shock body. I made a tool for this - I took a Snap-On socket and turned down the outer diameter until it fit on the recess. John From tr4.tony at virgin.net Mon Aug 4 13:03:49 2008 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE0@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <003601c8f664$d4297b70$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Henry I have seen this and its worth noting that the Works Rally TR4's had reinforcing of the rear turret in period to stop this sort of thing happening (even with the larger DAS10 mount). I run a couple of mods on BST82B which are similar, but using a DAS9 type adjustable twi nvalve shock. So far any failure ive had has been of the arm of the shock detaching or snapping, usually as a result of getting the car airborne off a decent sized jump. The turrets dont show any signs of failure after 5 years of hard work. Usually the u bolts and the restraining hoops snap and the diff ends up reshaping the rear of the parcel shelf if im being naughty .... so you hear a good whack to let you know that youve destroyed the rear end. If you want to know more about what Im running email me off list. Best regards Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > Has anybody ever seen a rear shock mount getting pulled off the frame on > a solid axle TR4? > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Aug 4 13:40:21 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:40:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing References: <000101c56d48$e9c34a90$6501a8c0@purplebox> Message-ID: <00fa01c8f669$ef13f280$0302a8c0@Charly> This is an olde subject that I'm rekindling now. What is the working pressure of the PI metering unit? I seem to recall that the injectors close at about 80psi. What is the minimum needed to run them at 6000rpm's? I've got a gauge connected to my pressure line at the pump relief valve and get a drop to about 90psi @ 5000 rpm's and can't hardly see 6000 rpm's. I think this is a fuel pressure problem as I've checked timing, ignition and metering unit and that seems to be okay. I've got plenty of vacuum @ idle and can richen it up easily via the choke cable. Could this also be the maximum fuel adjustment? I'm still running a Lucas pump and I show 120 psi when idling and cold, the pressure drops a little as the fuel warms up. When I accelerate the pressure starts to drop to about 100 psi and as I get to 5000 rpm's the pressure drops to about 90 psi. Any thoughts or ideas? I'm looking at going to the Bosch pump, but I also want to make sure this is the right area to focus. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry and Cindy" To: "fot" Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: RE: Tr6 PI and racing > We have used Lucas PI on race cars since it was new. I have experience > with them on outright formula race cars and triumphs > > The system off a TR6 or 2.5PI is fine up to a point. The biggest problem > you will have is the pump. Lucas PI pumps were great when new, but are > now mostly stuffed. We use a bosch pump but they produce such pressure > when loaded , that they destroys the TR relief valve. We run 2 modified > Lucas valves in parallel. The other hassle is that in other than flat > out use, there is a lot of hot fuel being returned to the tank. If you > live in a hot are, you will need a fuel cooler in the line. Also, don't > be tempted to run a small tank, as the fuel gets too hot. > > The vacuum control unit is biased to "nice" road car use. For race use > find a "snail cam" arrangement and ditch the vacuum controller. These > were fitted to all the proper Lucas race systems and can still be found. > > The Lucas bung seals in the metering unit will not handle many types of > modern unleaded fuel without stuff up. Test one in a sealed jar of the > petrol you use for a few weeks > > We have not found much improvement with lengthening the intakes , but > have proven they like a very long snorkel with cold air intake feeding > the plenum box. Basically, the longer the better > > A couple of local racers have converted their system to full electronic > with a single throttle body, but none of them have ever found meaningful > power increases as far as I'm aware > > Terry From slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net Mon Aug 4 15:30:30 2008 From: slugthemtrhd at suddenlink.net (John McCue) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:30:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Car for Sale Message-ID: <000c01c8f679$52658600$29df6c4b@johnkbv4bfa8sa> I have decided to sell my 1969 GT6 project. From Nevada. Rust free and straight. Has been off the road since 1977. Pedal box with Girling cylinders set up with Tilton remote bias. All of the 240Z, TR6 axle parts ready for Steve Smith to make one of his bullet-proof set-ups. Composite rear spring, drilled, lightened backing plates. Heim-jointed chrome moly strut rods. 3.23 gear. Aluminum blank dash and door panels. Re-built motor with forged pistons, etc. Stepped intake setup with three 40 DCOE Webers. Joe Alexander front and rear aluminum engine plates. Two TR6 trans., one GT6 trans., Koni shocks. Delrin front bushings. Fiberglass transmission tunnel and new stock lower valance panel from Racer Bud. Great start for a neat GT6. Located in West Virginia. John McCue From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 4 15:35:09 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:35:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts In-Reply-To: <002801c8f644$0b49bcd0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3BE9@server.Triumph.local> No, that was not it, Don. The shock was tight in the mount. The mount just pulled off the frame. The shock is not broken, the frame seems sound in the area where the mount pulled off. It didn't burn through at all when I welded it back on, so I am thinking I'm fine. I was just wondering how common this failure was. From a couple of public and private messages I got, it's happened before, and it will surely happen again. I'll probably fabricate some gussets for both sides and weld them in when I get a chance. Just another thing to keep the watchful eye on. Cheers > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Elliott > Subject: Re: [Fot] Lever shock mounts > > Bolts are usually for tightening in tension. But the bolts > for the rear lever shocks are different in that when the > lever arm moves up or down during a bump, the shock body > wants to rotate. If the bolts are not tight (in tension) > then the body of the shock will rotate and the holes in the > support will become oval. This could lead to weakening the > support welded to the frame. From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 4 23:24:01 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:24:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing Message-ID: <4897E3F1.8070807@cyberspeedway.net> Charly, Once you start using a lot of fuel the pump might not keep up, especially if it has some wear. Pressure is just resistance to flow so if the output flow remains constant during an increase in demand, the pressure will go down. More revs per minute need more fuel per minute. Kas' system used two pumps but I don't know if he ran both all the time. If this were a hydraulic system like I deal with every day, I would say the pump is giving up. The flow of a worn pump goes down with pressure increase because it bypasses more flow internally. The Lucas pump is a gear type and you can easily dissasemble it for inspection. Poor filtration will kill a gear pump's efficiency in a heartbeat because all the clearances are fixed. The gear pump elements of the Lucas pump are quite well made and I suspect expensive to produce back then. I think most of the Lucas pump problems were electric. I would use a modern 10 micron absolute filter on the suction side. I don't know what the original Lucas filter was rated but back then nobody paid attention to absolute filter ratings except Milspec. Try to find a filter which uses a good synthetic media for the element. Any water in a cellulose element will make it swell and or send it's guts down stream. Greg Lund From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Aug 5 08:51:08 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:51:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lever shock mounts Message-ID: In a message dated 8/4/08 2:35:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: << The mount just pulled off the frame. The shock is not broken, the frame seem s sound in the area where the mount pulled off. It didn't burn through at all when I welded it back on, so I am thinking I'm fine. >> I better take a look at my shock mounts. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 5 11:42:28 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:42:28 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner Message-ID: <003201c8f722$a189a3c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au Tue Aug 5 18:18:37 2008 From: enquiries at roadandtrack.net.au (Terry & Cindy) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 10:18:37 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Tr6 PI and racing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080806001836.OTXM28620.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@Terry> The metering unit & injectors will work OK down to about 100PSI at the entry to the metering unit. Terry O'Beirne, roadandtrack at bigpond.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Aug 5 20:02:43 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:02:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] long runner intake man. Message-ID: <000a01c8f768$83fd1580$6401a8c0@TER2> The 1 9/16" is a standard manifold that has been ported! It probably got too thin and that is why it cracked. Greg Solow From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 5 20:00:59 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:00:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! Message-ID: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this particular convention. So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very accommodating. The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted local VTR members that are from the area for more information. The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need restoration. What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some members. I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew that crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting another FOT member and home brewer. What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR member Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had the nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we couldn't have a place to sit for a moment to eat our dogs. It's disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table. After we left in disgust the table never did fill up. We wondered if there was some cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it personally offensive. Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting behavior when individuals act in this manner. If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph Mark I'm all for it. If I have to put up with this B%% S%%t. then I guess I'll by a Miata.. Sincerely Disgusted Glenn Franco 3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer, 1500 Spit From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Aug 5 22:04:53 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:04:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! In-Reply-To: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <20080806040454.EWUF15817.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@randall> OTOH, if the absolute worst that went wrong for you was a table that you didn't get to use; the event must have been a resounding success! Randall - who would have gladly given up his seat for a chance to attend. From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 5 23:46:53 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:46:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! In-Reply-To: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> References: <489905DB.3020206@charter.net> Message-ID: <832BD3D9-30EF-4AC3-89AF-E250BECBCDD1@bnj.com> You're a kinder person than I--I would have just sat down and told him to get stuffed. Anyone that tries to reserve 14 chairs at a crowded event is a dink and shouldn't be accorded any attention. On Aug 5, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > As a VTR member for almost 20 years and attending a number of these > conventions I have to comment on my and my wifes experiences with this > particular convention. > So far a good experience, the Detroit Club has been very > accommodating. > The events have been well planned out but they could have contacted > local VTR members that are from the area for more information. > > The reason I belong to the VTR is that I have a fondness for the mark > and have a barn full of these cars that have been restored or need > restoration. > What really irritates me (pisses me off) is the arrogance of some > members. > > I must comment that the FOT beer swap that Marty Sukey planned went > extremely well. I and a few others brought some local and home brew > that > crowd enjoyed. I would suggest this should be a regular event at the > triumph gatherings. So good plan Marty it was a pleasure meeting > another > FOT member and home brewer. > > What really irritated us was the arrogance of one particular VTR > member > Daryl Floyd. After sucking down on the ( and mine) free beer, he had > the > nerve after waiting in line for the chili dogs to say that the empty > table was all taken ( 16 seats and never full after that) and we > couldn't have a place to sit for a moment to eat our dogs. It's > disconcerting looking at a table with 14 empty chairs that is full > because someone says so. There were quite a few people eating on the > lawn due to the invisible attendants at this table. After we left in > disgust the table never did fill up. We wondered if there was some > cover charge for special VTR members. This sucks and we find it > personally offensive. > > Our money, I assume, was printed on the same press as their's and we > should have had access to seating at this venue. I find it disgusting > behavior when individuals act in this manner. > > If the goal of these events is to promote camaraderie and the Triumph > Mark I'm all for it. > If I have to put up with this B%% S%%t. then I guess I'll by a > Miata.. > > Sincerely Disgusted > > Glenn Franco > 3 TR6's. TR250, Spit Racer, 1500 Spit > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From WEmery7451 at aol.com Wed Aug 6 11:30:40 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:30:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] VTR 2008 Update and a Flame for Darryll Floyd!! Message-ID: Something similar must be going on at the Glen. I went up there to help my boy with his TR-7. We pulled in and every paddock spot was jammed full. Beside the paddock is a wide open field. We were told that we could stay there as long as we didn't work on the car -- no oil changes, tire changes, etc., etc. Fortunately, I found someone who wanted to sell his garage space, and bought it. This turned out to be a plus with light, shelter, and power. Two fan belts had ripped off of my van. Along with working on the TR-7, we were able t o finally replace the belts, with massive parts store searches. That wide open field never was used. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 6 11:49:16 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship Message-ID: check out the caption... not true, but funny! http://flickr.com/photos/nowin/2736718449/in/set-72157606568832879/ Report: The trip up was uneventful (good!). Test and TUne was uneventful - and DRY. Day one was WET -> drying. At the end of the day, I was third in my class because my last run was dirty. Otherwise I would have had a 1.8 second lead. Day two was dry but cool. I left the soft setup (no rear bar) and the car wouldn't rotate at all. I wound up more than 2 seconds in the lead with _all dirty runs_. For the weekend, 8 timed runs, 1 re-run for timing errors and 1 re-run for a red flag on course and _SEVEN_ dirty timed runs! But between the lobster bake, the HUGE surface (the courses were over 90 seconds in the dry), the BBQ and the laid-back atmosphere (first car off was "11-ish") it was a great event. I def. plan to go to this event in the future. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Aug 6 15:39:58 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:39:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Looks like the food was better than the weather.....mmmmmmm jelly donuts! Only two pics of the best car there too... Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: August 6, 2008 1:49 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Cute Pic from Canadian Autoslalom Championship check out the caption... not true, but funny! http://flickr.com/photos/nowin/2736718449/in/set-72157606568832879/ Report: The trip up was uneventful (good!). Test and TUne was uneventful - and DRY. Day one was WET -> drying. At the end of the day, I was third in my class because my last run was dirty. Otherwise I would have had a 1.8 second lead. Day two was dry but cool. I left the soft setup (no rear bar) and the car wouldn't rotate at all. I wound up more than 2 seconds in the lead with _all dirty runs_. For the weekend, 8 timed runs, 1 re-run for timing errors and 1 re-run for a red flag on course and _SEVEN_ dirty timed runs! But between the lobster bake, the HUGE surface (the courses were over 90 seconds in the dry), the BBQ and the laid-back atmosphere (first car off was "11-ish") it was a great event. I def. plan to go to this event in the future. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Aug 8 07:13:50 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:13:50 GMT Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner Message-ID: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no longer supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls are thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmedDtFQmWA4DDgsM7R13Ig2 sh1EEO6pLAzekw5WssWnNrB4/ From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 8 17:05:59 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:05:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice big filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. I think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to me but I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the flatness of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle Jack's "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange skimmed on a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? Of did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port in the manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head described with drawings was really nice. Tim P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 into 1 headers? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Boruch To: timmurph at fastbytes.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no longer supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls are thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have one that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. engine ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 inch. According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake manifold, which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one I have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part with? Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? Thanks Tim 1961 TR4 #317 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a loan. From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 8 23:10:51 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:10:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner In-Reply-To: <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: You make a nice little brace between the two carbs with sheet metal 1/16" plus then from the middle of the brace go down to the block at the flange of the oil pan with a brace made of a 3/8" steel tube. I made an adjustable screw at the bottom with a rubber pad on the end so that I could put just a tiny bit of compression on the tube. Worked like a charm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Murphy" To: "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner >I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice >big > filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. > I > think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to me > but > I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the > flatness > of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle > Jack's > "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange skimmed > on > a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. > What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? > Of > did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port in > the > manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. > Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head > described with drawings was really nice. > > Tim > > P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 > into > 1 headers? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Boruch > To: timmurph at fastbytes.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > > > It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no > longer > supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the walls > are > thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets > welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) > > -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: > Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have > one > that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. > engine > ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 ports > matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 > inch. > According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake > manifold, > which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the cracks > welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one > I > have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the head > ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part > with? > Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? > > Thanks > Tim > 1961 TR4 #317 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Need cash? Click to get a loan. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 9 08:42:47 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:42:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR manifolds Message-ID: <200808091442.m79Egqo5024438@ns3.geneseo.net> Here's a treatise on intake manifolds - more than you could possibly want to know, but it's a rainy Saturday morning and not much else to do. And please recognize that somebody else may have come up with a better mousetrap than mine. Best flow - Weber type manifold next best - properly prepped long manifold next best - properly prepped short manifold next best - stock long manifold worst - unprepared short manifold Like any tube or pipe that is conducting a gas, the highest flow is obtained if the tube converges slightly. The lowest flow occurs if the tube diverges or gets bigger at the discharge end. What this means for our intake manifolds is that if you just open up the discharge end of the manifold runner, you actually decrease flow. I worked on one engine where the head had been prepped by a drag racing guy. The head flowed the highest I had seen. Then when I put his intake manifold on and measured the flow of the whole carb / manifold / head, it flowed worse than stock. This was all because he had opened up just the discharge end of the manifold runners. The difficulty with prepping a long branch intake manifold so that the runners are straight or converge rather than diverge, is that there is not enough aluminum on the casting to allow that. In order to make the runner a consistent or slightly convergent diameter is to add aluminum to the exterior of the manifold and then do the porting. This was illegal in the olden SCCA days, but we can get away with it in vintage racing by adding the aluminum and then giving it a surface finish that looks stock, so people aren't upset by appearance. I prepare a few of these manifolds a year, reinforcing so they don't crack and porting so they flow for max horsepower. It's a time-consuming and nasty job that costs $350. Nasty because it takes a lot of time to whittle out all that aluminum. uncle jack From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 9 08:50:29 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR8 in Charlotte Message-ID: <200808091450.m79EoYSV027195@ns3.geneseo.net> Is anyone on the list familiar with the TR8 for sale at this website? http://automotivewarehouses.com/showcar.cgi?19811442122_62201il_249_1017992 uncle jack From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 9 10:26:58 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 12:26:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Contact info for Andy Konopka?? Message-ID: <000a01c8fa3c$bf158720$3d409560$@net> Anyone have Andy Konopka's new phone number. The one I have is from 4 years ago before he relocated. Russ Moore From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 9 11:46:12 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 10:46:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale Message-ID: Check this out: http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html ~Steve From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:07:35 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:07:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen email blast Message-ID: We are about to do an email blast to 25,000-30,000 readers. Does anyone have any more news or info for the upcoming Watkins Glen event? Looks like this is going to be a lot of fun. We are bringing our Moss sponsored pub to the event and Gary Hunter will be tending bar. Joe get with me, as we need to finalize the times on this. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:12:52 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:12:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] Classic Motorsports TR3 Message-ID: Sorry I have been pretty quiet this summer. Been pretty busy moving into our new office and finishing the Sunbeam Tiger project. We had a pretty disastrous outing at VIR with our TR3 at the Gold Cup in une. Man was it hot! As I was so busy, Chuck at Abacus took the car back to Virginia Beach and is working some magic on the cooling system and drivetrain. We hope to have a good test day in a few weeks at VIR with our hopefully faster, simpler and more reliable TR3 and then on to Watkins Glen. That shoukd be interesting, as I have never run there. really looking forward to seeing everyone and thanks to those who helped as I struggled at VIR. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From GRMTim at aol.com Sat Aug 9 16:24:43 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:24:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 Message-ID: Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have the car nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also picked up a 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple of doors, as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors gutted in later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the glass back in the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass back into a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent interior and underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site pretty regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done for Amelia Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both the 69 and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. Looks like Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove the car. According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was to some guy named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this history. I still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. The .pdfs I found at Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does anyone know where they all are today? See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From andre at gt6.ca Sat Aug 9 20:13:19 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:13:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <366B373F-8B67-4F3F-8A0F-9AB6F85A51B3@gt6.ca> The Dance of Triumph.... hehe About time, let me guess. Floors, sills and what not? I can't wait too see more detailed photos of the beast. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 9-Aug-08, at 6:24 PM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have > the car > nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also > picked up a > 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple > of doors, > as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors > gutted in > later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the > glass back in > the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass > back into > a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. > > I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent > interior and > underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site > pretty > regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done > for Amelia > Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. > > Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both > the 69 > and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. > Looks like > Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove > the car. > According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was > to some guy > named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this > history. I > still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. > The .pdfs I found at > Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. > > Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does > anyone > know where they all are today? > > See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. > > Tim Suddard > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > www.classicmotorsports.net > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 From twakeman at razzolink.com Sat Aug 9 21:59:28 2008 From: twakeman at razzolink.com (TeriAnn Wakeman) Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:59:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? Message-ID: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these days. It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 T-bird that didn't need body work instead. The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears to be untouched and the seats seem solid. Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there & put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a race car. Any thoughts? Teriann From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 9 23:51:45 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that kind of money. Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > Check this out: > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > ~Steve ********************* _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Aug 10 01:37:47 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:37:47 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Paddock Nurburgring References: Message-ID: <001301c8fabb$fd04fcd0$6402a8c0@HOME> Hi @ all, I'm not sure if this is interesting for you but here are some paddock impressions I took at the Nurburgring this year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lh0Vx8e-_4 Cheers Chris From GRMTim at aol.com Sun Aug 10 06:27:38 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:27:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 GT6 Message-ID: Other than a few dent, probably from off course excursions, the floors and sills are perfect. There is 100% no rust in this car. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 8/9/08 10:13:49 PM, andre at gt6.ca writes: > The Dance of Triumph.... > > hehe > > About time, let me guess. > Floors, sills and what not? > > I can't wait too see more detailed photos of the beast. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > On 9-Aug-08, at 6:24 PM, GRMTim at aol.com wrote: > > > Gary Hunter and I tore into the Group 44 GT6 this week. We have > > the car > > nearly stripped down and are discovering both good and bad. We also > > picked up a > > 1969 GT6 parts car. Looks like we are going to have to find a couple > > of doors, > > as the parts car doors are rusty and the original car had its doors > > gutted in > > later life. It is clear from photos that we need to put all the > > glass back in > > the doors, as that is the way they ran it in 1969. Hate to put glass > > back into > > a car... maybe we willl leave the driver's window out. > > > > I am still lookig for more info and photos (especially a decent > > interior and > > underhood shot) of this car. We will have web updates on our site > > pretty > > regularly starting next week and are shooting to have the car done > > for Amelia > > Island, as we have been invited to the Group 44 reunion. > > > > Did some research on the race history of this car. Wow, during both > > the 69 > > and 70 seasons it won almost everytime they took it off the trailer. > > Looks like > > Bob Tullius, Carl Swanson, Brian Fuerstenau and Mike Downs all drove > > the car. > > According to factory newsletters, one of the few time it lost, was > > to some guy > > named Bob Sharp in a 240Z. Its been real fun to reserach this > > history. I > > still need to find the June and Nov. 1970 TSOA newsletters. > > The .pdfs I found at > > Temple of Triumph were linked to the wrong files for these two months. > > > > Has anyone ever put a whole list of Group 44 cars together and does > > anyone > > know where they all are today? > > > > See most of you soon at Watkins Glen. > > > > Tim Suddard > > Publisher; Classic Motorsports > > and Grassroots Motorsports magazines > > www.classicmotorsports.net > > www.grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 > > > > > ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500000000 17 ) From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 08:23:53 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 10:23:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures Message-ID: There was a guy taking a bunch of pictures of the autocross Thursday. Go to www.digiproofs.com and use guest password TRRiverside. Be sure to check out the positive camber on the black Spitfire. that must have been a handful. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 From spitlist at cox.net Sun Aug 10 10:02:20 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 9:02:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures In-Reply-To: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to fabricate more camber compensators. So there is little chance I will run out anytime soon. Joe C. ---- pethier at comcast.net wrote: > From: Chip19474 at aol.com > > Yep...that brings back memories of my '70 Spit Mark 3 at the TRF summer > > picnic autocross back in 1999 (or 2000 can't remember!). The inside wheel > > would > > lift high enough to come back down and chirp the tires - I was a driving > > advertisement for needing a camber compensator and "what not to do" if you're > > really serious about shaving time off of your score since precious seconds tick > > away while your car is trying to sort out its geometry dilemma:) > > > As much as we might not like to admit it, Ralph Nadar was right about this. I think a reading of the SCCA Solo rules will show that steps to correct this are not only encouraged, but required, even in Stock Category. > > > -- > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1962 Triumph TR4 CT2846L, 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, 1993 Suburban, 1994 Miata C package > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://forum.mnautox.com/forums/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > _______________________________________________ > > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > This list supported in part by the Vintage Triumph Register > http://www.vtr.org > > > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net > > http://www.team.net/archive From trmarty at hotmail.com Sun Aug 10 10:19:29 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:19:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures In-Reply-To: <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> References: <081020081457.9271.489F01D700039F880000243722165486869D0A07089B0A9F@comcast.net> <20080810120220.XQUJ7.160877.imail@fed1rmwml40> Message-ID: FWIW, I had recently bolted one of Joe's Camber Compensators to the Spitfire I ran in Ypsilanti. Marty Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:02:20 -0700 From: spitlist at cox.net To: 6pack at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; Chip19474 at aol.com; Spitfun at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net; trmarty at hotmail.com; pethier at comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] NATC 2009 (VTR) pictures The good news is, I just bought 50 pieces of spring stock from which to fabricate more camber compensators. So there is little chance I will run out anytime soon. Joe C. _________________________________________________________________ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Sun Aug 10 23:08:30 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:08:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to order? I need one that is 5ft long with female fittings at each end, 1/8th inch BSP with flat contact surfaces. I must replace he plastic/nylon hose as supplied by Smiths for their oil pressure gauge. The ones sold by the mini specialist would fit, but they are only 4ft long. Many Thanks Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Aug 11 07:18:41 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:18:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Moldex for Spitty Message-ID: There's a small journal Spitty Moldex on Ebay. Item number 120292724742 Now where's the one for GT6? **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) From bswope959 at msn.com Mon Aug 11 11:02:22 2008 From: bswope959 at msn.com (Bill Swope) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:02:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge References: Message-ID: Try Joe Levine Alanta 404-219-0594 Wm. (Bill) Swope dba C ME GO Racing 1030 Green Valley Rd. NW Los Ranchos, N M 87107 bswope959 at msn.com (505) 345-6235; fax (505) 345-1180 ----- Original Message ----- From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to order? I need one that is 5ft long with female fittings at each end, 1/8th inch BSP with flat contact surfaces. I must replace he plastic/nylon hose as supplied by Smiths for their oil pressure gauge. The ones sold by the mini specialist would fit, but they are only 4ft long. Many Thanks Leon http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963> _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 11 11:35:42 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weeping BSP Fitting Message-ID: Hi, I have one of the Mocal oil cooler setups... all the fittings are BSP. One line going into the cooler weeps a bit and after 5 or 6 min. of WOT I get a couple of drips under the car. I know that there are washers for AN fittings to fix mangled AN nipples, is there something similar for BSP? I haven't looked in the Pegasus catalog yet... Just curious. I'd like to replace everything with AN. But not right now. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From rjl6n at cstone.net Mon Aug 11 11:46:49 2008 From: rjl6n at cstone.net (rjl6n at cstone.net) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Armoured/braided hose for Smiths oil pressure gauge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Can anyone recommend a good reliable U.S. supplier of such a hose made to > order? Buy the hose and fittings from a supplier like Ted Schumacher or Pegasus and make them up yourself. Its not as if its hard to do. Pegasus even has instructions on their website. John From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Tue Aug 12 08:10:35 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale References: Message-ID: <002f01c8fc85$30ac3060$0300a8c0@Desktop> So add it to your collection ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shane Ingate" To: Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 1:51 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > >> Check this out: >> >> http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html >> >> >> ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gasket.works at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 10:12:38 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fw: TR4 Race Cars Message-ID: <001f01c8fc96$3df01fa0$1502a8c0@Belkin> I am just forwarding this... m ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:22 AM Subject: TR4 Race Cars > FOT: > Do you have a classified section? > I am looking for a TR4 vintage race car. > What is available? > Cheers, > Pat McGinnis > pat at primevacuum.com From westerneagleracing at att.net Tue Aug 12 15:24:48 2008 From: westerneagleracing at att.net (westerneagleracing at att.net) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:48 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Darth Vadir, Your car is not a Chevy Impala its a TR6 Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > > > Check this out: > > > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > > > > ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 12 15:59:27 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:59:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 From brad.kahler at 141.com Tue Aug 12 16:34:39 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:34:39 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: <200808121634192.SM07164@[166.70.182.40]> Bob, We've got room here in Jefferson Arkansas to store your car and trailer.......B B :) -----Original Message----- From: "Kramer, Robert" Sent 8/12/2008 3:59:27 PM To: "FOT List" Subject: [Fot] Watkins GlenI can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Company 16415 N. IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 18:54:22 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:54:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: Message-ID: <004101c8fcdf$24af3d70$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; I just talked to a friend of mine, Matt Bernard of Endicott, NY (607 725-9612) who does SCCA and crews for his uncle in Vintage events. His uncle is Vic Franzese, who owns the Glen Motor Inn and drives his original McLaren M12. Call Vic at the Inn, 607 535-2706 and explain your situation. He has a fenced in area (actually a tennis court) behind the Inn and often has cars and trailers parked there. Vic's a great guy and keeps a sharp eye on the cars parked there. The Inn is probably booked for the weekend, but may have vacancies early in the week if needed. Tell him I referred you and he can probably help you out. I met him in 1970 when I crewed (sp?) for Oscar, but that's a whole other story! Good luck. Bill Tobin TR6 Erie, PA ---- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen > I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed > me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on > Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the > car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to > store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 12 19:15:23 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:15:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen References: Message-ID: <004601c8fce2$115d8850$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all; if you happen to be passing through Erie on the way to the Glen and have some spare time, stop and look around. We have some interesting things to do in the area, including a great state park. If coming from the west on I90, the easiest way to get to the Glen is Interstate 86, the old Southern Tier Expressway or Rt 17. Get off in Corning, go north on Rt 414, turn left at the red light and you're there. Gas is cheaper in Ohio than PA; NY is much more expensive. An exception is the Indian Reservation at Salamanca; they're less than normal NY prices. also cheaper tobacco products. Give me a call if I can be of assistance. Bill Tobin Erie, Pa TR6 814 868-8629 or 814 398-2908 at my farm----- Original Message ----- From: "Kramer, Robert" To: "FOT List" Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen > I can't believe it, the FoT at the Glen is almost here. My wife has informed > me that since Monday is a holiday we might as well leave for the Glen on > Saturday and do some sight seeing in the Ithaca area. I'd rather not tow the > car around more than I have too. Does anyone know of a good and safe place to > store a car and trailer near Watkins Glen? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Company > 16415 N. IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 12 19:41:23 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner References: <20080808.091350.10235.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> <001f01c8f9ab$52b92b90$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <000f01c8fce5$b191c590$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Kas, Thanks for the info on the brace. We'll make one up and install it. Simple and effective. "Elegant" as the engineers would say. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kas Kastner" To: "Tim Murphy" ; "Joe Boruch" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > You make a nice little brace between the two carbs with sheet metal 1/16" > plus then from the middle of the brace go down to the block at the flange > of the oil pan with a brace made of a 3/8" steel tube. I made an > adjustable screw at the bottom with a rubber pad on the end so that I > could put just a tiny bit of compression on the tube. Worked like a > charm. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Murphy" > To: "Joe Boruch" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner > > >>I did just that. Didn't have actual gussets put in but he did weld a nice >>big >> filet between the flange and the runner on top. Just about filled it in. >> I >> think we will also fashion some sort of support, which was suggested to >> me but >> I hadn't got to yet!! I've paid the price. Only problem now is the >> flatness >> of the flanges to the engine. I think I'll be okay using one of Uncle >> Jack's >> "crushable" manifold gaskets. If not I'll have to have the flange >> skimmed on >> a mill to straighten it out. Hate to take any more material off though. >> What did the original factory manifolds and heads do to match ports? >> Of >> did they just live with the large port on the head and the smaller port >> in the >> manifold on the late TR4's and the TR4A? Really curious. >> Thanks for all of the input and Terry's website with all the head >> described with drawings was really nice. >> >> Tim >> >> P.S. Any suggestions on a support for the intake manifold with a set of 4 >> into >> 1 headers? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joe Boruch >> To: timmurph at fastbytes.com >> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake manifold, long runner >> >> >> It is common for the manifolds to crack, especially since they are no >> longer >> supported by the exhaust manifold when using headers and because the >> walls are >> thin due to port matching. Have the cracks welded and then have gussets >> welded to the top of each runner and they will not crack again. Joe(B) >> >> -- "Tim Murphy" wrote: >> Are there two different types of long runner intake manifolds? I have >> one >> that has 1-9/16 inch dia. engine ports and one with 1-3/8 inch dia. >> engine >> ports. Both are marked "STANPART 305744". The one with the 1-9/16 >> ports >> matches up to the head intake ports which are a bit bigger than 1-1/2 >> inch. >> According to the Moss catalog there is only one long runner intake >> manifold, >> which is used on late TR4's and TR4A's. I either have to have the >> cracks >> welded in the 1-9/16 one that I have, open up the ports on the 1-3/8 one >> I >> have to match the head ports or find another 1-9/16 one to match the >> head >> ports. Anybody have a 1-9/16 port manifold they are willing to part >> with? >> Are these all modified 1-3/8 port manifolds? >> >> Thanks >> Tim >> 1961 TR4 #317 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Need cash? Click to get a loan. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 23:18:52 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:18:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale In-Reply-To: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> References: <081220082124.6675.48A1FFA00007AA0D00001A1322230682329B0A02D29B9B0EBF990E04D2069D@att.net> Message-ID: I do not think you email was meant for me. Shane From: westerneagleracing at att.net To: hottr6 at hotmail.com CC: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool TR6 for sale Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:24:48 +0000 Darth Vadir, Your car is not a Chevy Impala its a TR6 Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing. -------------- Original message from Shane Ingate : -------------- > This was on fleabay 2 years ago with no reserve. > The starting price was $12.5K with no bide. It is certainly worth > $28K but there are too many purists out there to spend that > kind of money. > > Shane Ingate, at 11,000' in southern Colorado (satellites are great!). > > > > Check this out: > > > > http://www.sportscarla.com/detail-1972-triumph-tr6-webbers-2915762.html > > > > > > ~Steve > ********************* > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Windows Live and get whatever you need, wherever you are. Start here. > http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Get more from your digital life. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Home2_082008 From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 13 11:20:21 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry Message-ID: Hi, I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found cracks in both rear trailing arms. I guess I need to deal with this: http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I was installing the bushings. Yikes. Opinions? regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Wed Aug 13 12:49:08 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:49:08 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR seat adapter kit Message-ID: <200808131849.m7DIn9pg359195@ns3.geneseo.net> For everybody who ordered a kit for adapting Miata seats to the TR -- they shipped today! Thanks for being patient while the shops completed the orders. For anybody who wants a kit, if you're going to be at Watkins Glen, I can deliver to you there and you will save the shipping cost. uncle jack From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Aug 13 15:48:48 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:48:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry References: Message-ID: <007401c8fd8e$5eb89e80$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, I'll trade you a pair of trailing arms for your finned drums! Seriously, I have some spare arms if you need them. Will you be at Watkins Glen? Keep me posted. Bill Tobin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Car Quandry > Hi, > > I was doing a normal pre-race check on the race car last night and found > cracks in both rear trailing arms. > > I guess I need to deal with this: > > http://web.mit.edu/blang/www/trailingarm-crack.jpg > > I have to be honest, I haven't looked at that part since I installed the > trailing arms in the spring (I put in new nylatron bushings), but that > crack seems like it's been there a while. I must have not seen it while I > was installing the bushings. Yikes. > > Opinions? > > regards, > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 13 21:05:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:05:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? In-Reply-To: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> References: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't consider anything over $1000. The description is essentially that of a parts car with no assurances as to what is missing. You said "little rust" but you also indicated floor pans need to be replaced...why? Cheers, Bill Sohl just back from VTR 08 via Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "TeriAnn Wakeman" To: Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? > There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner > is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located > in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue > it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these > days. > > It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who > brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who > decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he > didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 > T-bird that didn't need body work instead. > > The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at > least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer > sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface > rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been > fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box > without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory > hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. > > There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet > kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are > loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the > car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears > to be untouched and the seats seem solid. > > Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? > I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to > better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there > & put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a > reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a > race car. > > Any thoughts? > > Teriann > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Aug 14 00:50:19 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:50:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 Message-ID: <001001c8fdda$04885300$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I'm looking for a source for an exhaust header for our 1961 TR4 vintage racer. We have a 4-into-1 now but the flanges are very thin and the tubes aren't that thick either. It appears to be warping badly and is a pain to fit up with the intake manifold thickness. The head is the late TR4, TR4A head with the flat above the #1 intake and exhaust ports, if that makes any difference. As a last resort I could make new flanges out of the appropriate thickness and weld the old pipes in but I'd rather replace the whole thing if I can find one that will work and is fairly "reasonable". Thanks in advance. Tim From henry at henryfrye.com Thu Aug 14 05:14:39 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:14:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 In-Reply-To: <001001c8fdda$04885300$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C20@server.Triumph.local> Define "reasonable". The header most of us run was sourced from Ken Gillanders and I call it pricy! Good stuff, though. You will never be sorry when you pay for quality the first time... However, the last guy I know that ordered one said Ken is now supplying a different one. I understand it has smaller tubes. Has anyone used that one yet? Any dyno data available? Ken??? It is common on headers for the flange thickness to be different from the intake manifold. Just use a little creative engineering with your fasteners. It will be fine. > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy > Sent: August 14, 2008 2:50 AM > To: 'FOT' > Subject: [Fot] Exhaust header for TR4 > > I'm looking for a source for an exhaust header for our 1961 > TR4 vintage racer. > We have a 4-into-1 now but the flanges are very thin and the > tubes aren't that thick either. It appears to be warping > badly and is a pain to fit up with the intake manifold > thickness. The head is the late TR4, TR4A head with the flat > above the #1 intake and exhaust ports, if that makes any > difference. As a last resort I could make new flanges out of > the appropriate thickness and weld the old pipes in but I'd > rather replace the whole thing if I can find one that will > work and is fairly "reasonable". Thanks in advance. > > Tim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Thu Aug 14 07:22:20 2008 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoff Byrne) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:22:20 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Clutch Release Message-ID: <32DE40FDEF6C4256A0B4131227A4C47F@GEOFFPC> FOT Has anyone had experience with using a Powertrain Hydramax clutch release on the TR gearbox . Does it go straight on and are their any special fitting tricks Thanks Geoff Byrne TR6 Racer Down Under From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 14 08:51:35 2008 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:51:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR4 block & liner Measurments Message-ID: <9221160.18334681218725495760.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Does anyone know what a block should measure from the top head surface to the shoulder where the liner sits? I am trying to determine if a block has been decked or not and don't have another block apart to measure. Also what should a new liner measure from the top to the shoulder where it sits in the block? Thanks Dean T. From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Aug 14 10:21:40 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:21:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at Roebling Road 9/5/08 - 9/7/08 Message-ID: Those of you not towing to the Glen are invited to visit the Triumph Ghetto which will be set up at Roebling Road for the VDCA/SCCA race weekend. If you have not attended this event, you'll find a low key affair with tons of track time on recently resurfaced layout. Friday's test day, with 7 sessions last year, is low-cost and paid for at the track. The Saturday/Sunday races feature two VDCA groups - large and small bore - so you get to race with a broad variety of cars. The entry fee is $200 if paid by 8/29/08. Triumph racers are invited to an exclusive gathering at the Triumph Ghetto immediately after Friday's test session. It will feature our famously fantastic cookout and the tallest tales of racing lust that you will ever hear. So get online and get that entry moving. Let me know if you are coming so we can fire up the grill! _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 10:30:32 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:30:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Ghetto at Roebling Road 9/5/08 - 9/7/08 Message-ID: Leo, Dean, & Don, So many Triumphs, so many Tracks, so little Time. We will sincerely miss you guys at the Glen, but understand. Let us know how it goes........ Best Regards, Joe A > Those of you not towing to the Glen are invited to visit the Triumph > Ghetto > which will be set up at Roebling Road for the VDCA/SCCA race weekend. If > you > have not attended this event, you'll find a low key affair with tons of > track > time on recently resurfaced layout. > > Friday's test day, with 7 sessions last year, is low-cost and paid for at > the track. The Saturday/Sunday races feature two VDCA groups - large and > small > bore - so you get to race with a broad variety of cars. The entry fee is > $200 > if paid by 8/29/08. > > Triumph racers are invited to an exclusive gathering at the Triumph Ghetto > immediately after Friday's test session. It will feature our famously > fantastic cookout and the tallest tales of racing lust that you will ever > hear. So > get online and get that entry moving. Let me know if you are coming so we > can > fire up the grill! > > _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) > > Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall > > From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:06:01 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:06:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 14:58:15 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:58:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: <00a401c8fe50$79d414c0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Jim...the electric fan is placed in front of the radiator in my race car Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From adcronin at ameritech.net Thu Aug 14 15:04:37 2008 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:04:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the annual VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from the area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut it out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. There is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be to keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! Dan Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 ----- Original Message ---- From: jim hearn To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 15:15:26 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:15:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 by a very experienced tr3 guy Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "A Daniel Cronin" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > annual > VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from > the > area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut > it > out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > There > is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be > to > keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > Dan > > Planning & > Development Services > A. Daniel Cronin > 248 761-2673 > > > > ----- Original Message > ---- > From: jim hearn > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: > Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > and motor > > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > [demime 1.01d removed an > attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 14 15:22:16 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> References: <000001c8fe49$2d56cc70$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, jim hearn wrote: > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, It's a tube... you can cut the cross section to make clearance and then weld in a piece to box it and you won't loose any strength. Note that the piece supports the shock towers (and to some extend it triangulates the engine opening in the frame. IMHO, the piece is way over designed. So you should be able to modify with no problems as long as you leave more than half the diameter of the tube. Round is stronger than square... rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 14 15:26:57 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: Joe Alexander had a customer brace on his car at Road America last year, a test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed piece like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should chime in any time now..... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:15 PM To: A Daniel Cronin; jim hearn; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 by a very experienced tr3 guy Racer Bud > 248 761-2673 From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 14 15:37:12 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:37:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about side impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing hanging on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening that tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your life. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RACER BUD" To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' in > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 > by > a very experienced tr3 guy > > Racer Bud > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > To: "jim hearn" ; > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the >> annual >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed from >> the >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut >> it >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. >> There >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to be >> to >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! >> Dan >> >> Planning & >> Development Services >> A. Daniel Cronin >> 248 761-2673 >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message >> ---- >> From: jim hearn >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator >> and motor >> >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front >> of the >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch >> of >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bownes at seiri.com Thu Aug 14 16:56:42 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:56:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Message-ID: Now that sounds like a trick that might have proven useful in a 'stock' class :) On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about > side > impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension > goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing hanging > on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening that > tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your life. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RACER BUD" > To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" > ; > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' > in > > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to TR3-4 > > by > > a very experienced tr3 guy > > > > Racer Bud > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > > To: "jim hearn" ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > >> annual > >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed > from > >> the > >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He cut > >> it > >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > >> There > >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to > be > >> to > >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > >> Dan > >> > >> Planning & > >> Development Services > >> A. Daniel Cronin > >> 248 761-2673 > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message > >> ---- > >> From: jim hearn > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > >> Sent: > >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > >> and motor > >> > >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > >> of the > >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > >> of > >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > >> > >> [demime 1.01d removed an > >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > >> > >> Fot mailing list > >> Fot at autox.team.net > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:05:58 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:05:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: <536324.4305.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <00b201c8fe52$e0367da0$0302a8c0@Bud> <5DD692DAD19E473686361225D643DB0F@KasPC> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808141605w32fb86f5ja1c5d78dbdd03674@mail.gmail.com> I think the easiest solutionis to get a fan that fits in the space. Mine does. I did once modify the bar in the opposite direction to allow room for my crank fired ignition and cog drive fan belt that with underdrive putty. Cut the tube and then eeled on another tube farther out from the original.. The fan then went to the front. On 8/14/08, robert bownes wrote: > > Now that sounds like a trick that might have proven useful in a 'stock' > class :) > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > > > Just for the record I don't the Triumph engineers thought a thing about > > side > > impact. BUT, that tube is most useful in compression when the suspension > > goes on to "CRASH" when it goes to dangle the tube is just a thing > hanging > > on to stop the suspension from falling onto the hot cement. Shortening > that > > tube will give you all the negative camber you ever heard of in your > life. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RACER BUD" > > To: "A Daniel Cronin" ; "jim hearn" > > ; > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > > >I believe the tube is very important in keeping the car from 'caving in' > > in > > > a semi-minor side impact....at least I was told that in regards to > TR3-4 > > > by > > > a very experienced tr3 guy > > > > > > Racer Bud > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "A Daniel Cronin" > > > To: "jim hearn" ; > > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 2:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > > > > > > > >> Saw a TR3A that had over 200,000 one owner miles last weekend at the > > >> annual > > >> VTR/NATC meet in Ypsilanti, MI that had just about that much removed > > from > > >> the > > >> area where the motor would have interfered with the cross brace. He > cut > > >> it > > >> out and welded in a vertical piece of 1/8 steel to re-close the tube. > > >> There > > >> is not much up/down movement to the tube as it's main purpose seems to > > be > > >> to > > >> keep the spring/shock towers from "swaying" in and out! > > >> Dan > > >> > > >> Planning & > > >> Development Services > > >> A. Daniel Cronin > > >> 248 761-2673 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message > > >> ---- > > >> From: jim hearn > > >> To: fot at autox.team.net > > >> Sent: > > >> Thursday, August 14, 2008 4:06:01 PM > > >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator > > >> and motor > > >> > > >> Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front > > >> of the > > >> motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch > > >> of > > >> clearance for an electric fan. Thanks, > > >> > > >> [demime 1.01d removed an > > >> attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of > winmail.dat] > > >> Fot mailing list > > >> Fot at autox.team.net > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >> > > >> Fot mailing list > > >> Fot at autox.team.net > > >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > Fot mailing list > > > Fot at autox.team.net > > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 14 17:49:06 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Jim Hearn asked: > Has anyone successfully cut down the size of cross piece in front of the > motor between the motor and radiator? I need to get another half inch of > clearance for an electric fan. I use a PermaCool 16" fan (part #771-19126 from Jegs). No clearance problems. I see no reason why Bob Lang's suggestion of cutting a notch in the x-brace and boxing it will not work, except that it will be a ton of work to prevent the brace from warping during welding. Shane Ingate, back in NM. _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WLY IA_whichathlete_us From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 18:00:51 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:00:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper Message-ID: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 18:56:59 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Rob I just played this game with my Spitfire last weekend. We finally got the bugs worked out of the new motor/gearbox/clutch combo and were able to run 6 consecutive sessions with no problems. In addition to the IJ crank scraper, I'm also running a 1 1/2 qt. Moroso accumulator, 13 row oil cooler and a HP-1 filter. I filled the cooler and filter with oil before attaching the hoses, and then added oil to the normal fill line on the dip stick. After warming the engine, I opened the valve to the accumulator and let it fill. Then, I added oil back to the normal line on the dipstick and went to the track. It's difficult to do (at least where my oil pressure gauge is mounted), but you need to watch the oil pressure gauge in the turns. Normal oil pressure in my car is 70-80 psi. I found it was dropping to 40 in the left hand turns, which meant that the suction tube was sucking air and the accumulator was providing the oil pressure. I added a half quart and the problem went away except for one turn. Coming off the back straight at Portland, you brake from top speed for a left-right sequence. I noted that after hard braking and sending the oil to the front of the pan, and then turning left, the gauge was still dropping to 40 psi. Added another 1/2 quart and the pressure stays at 70-80 all the time. Luckily, the field of cars was small, so I had plenty of safe time to look at gauges where I normally never would. In discussing this with the engine builder, he told me not to worry if the dipstick shows overfull in the pits since there is so much oil flying around in the engine at speed. What you need to do is to establish a new fill mark on the dipstick. During all of this, I had no oil coming out of the breathers, so I don't believe I overfilled at all, even though I've now got 6+ quarts in the Spit. Over the winter, we'll look at some improved baffles for the oil pan. Hope this helps. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:01 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] crank scraper The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 19:49:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:49:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 14 20:10:30 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:10:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. Message-ID: This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we have guests flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 STEVE GROH SPITFIRE ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE JOE BAROUCH TR3 DICK STOCKTON TR4 JACK DREWS TR4 TONY DREWS TR4 KEITH FILES TR4 JEFF SNOOK TR3 PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 ROBERT DEANES TR4 TIM SUDDARD TR3 BILL TOBIN TR6 BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 BOB STADEL AMBRO BOB KRAMER TR4 RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 BILL DENTINGER TORNADO BOB WISMER TR4 HENRY FRYE TR4 BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE BILL HART DEVIN DENNIS DELAP TR4 JOHN JAMES TR4 TONY GARMEY TR250K GREG HILYER TR4 BUD BABCOCK TR3 FRED HODGSON unconfirmed ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE From andre at gt6.ca Thu Aug 14 20:12:03 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:12:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C7D408D-5829-4A98-BF2A-506FF898917E@gt6.ca> Not a racer, but my GT6 will be there. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada On 14-Aug-08, at 10:10 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their > schedules.................we have guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with > us. The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Thu Aug 14 20:31:50 2008 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <001401c8fe69$fb061480$6401a8c0@DFN4YV61> Message-ID: <706726.32577.qm@web81201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Thu Aug 14 21:32:25 2008 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:32:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys two years ago! ? Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Spitfire Racer Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we have guests flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 STEVE GROH SPITFIRE ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE JOE BAROUCH TR3 DICK STOCKTON TR4 JACK DREWS TR4 TONY DREWS TR4 KEITH FILES TR4 JEFF SNOOK TR3 PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 ROBERT DEANES TR4 TIM SUDDARD TR3 BILL TOBIN TR6 BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 BOB STADEL AMBRO BOB KRAMER TR4 RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 BILL DENTINGER TORNADO BOB WISMER TR4 HENRY FRYE TR4 BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE BILL HART DEVIN DENNIS DELAP TR4 JOHN JAMES TR4 TONY GARMEY TR250K GREG HILYER TR4 BUD BABCOCK TR3 FRED HODGSON unconfirmed ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Thu Aug 14 22:53:24 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:53:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c8fe92$d9da1e90$b1191718@computer> Would you mind sharing a photo of it? It sounds interesting. -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:50 PM To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed piece like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should chime in any time now..... I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 22:59:24 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:59:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. In-Reply-To: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808142159w381f0ac0w39006647dd9eecf3@mail.gmail.com> Fortunately the West Coast is not all void. Bill Hart is hauling the trailer. He is running a TR powered Devin. His rig is bringing Tony Garmey with the TR250 [What a treat that car is, if you have never seen or experienced it,you will curse Triumph for there only being one! What a great machine Kas and co came up with on short notice], and John James with his meticulously prepared TR4. Bill Babcock looks to bringing Peyote, and if it is not working, his Ambro #1 sure is. All are from Seattle/Portland. Alas my TR6 is still in development, as is the driver. Someday I will race with you all. I will be at the Glen, Snapon battery powered torque wrench at the ready to help anyone in need. Sure would like to bum a ride from one of you racersfor the tour through town and track on Friday. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:32 PM, wrote: > A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't > make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys two > years ago! > ? > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire Racer > Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. > > > > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we > have > guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Thu Aug 14 23:23:49 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:23:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper Message-ID: if you think about it you don't really change the oil level, only the volume. A little extra oil doesn't hurt and might help. The relation of the dip stick to the oil pump, crank block doesn't change when you lower the pan. I use a cast aluminum pan, spin on filter adapter, scraper and oil cooler and I take about 7 qts. oil. I haven't changed any markings on the dipstick. The added oil will help cooling the motor and probably help with oil surge problems Off to Mission BC for the VRCBC Historic races. http://www.vrcbc.ca/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>, Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Aug 15 07:06:26 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:06:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I may be off base on this topic because I have no data to support what I have been doing, but I run about a quart low on the dipstick with a 3 quart accumulator attached to the main oil galley. I watch the oil gauge and have not seen it bouncing around. The idea is to keep oil off the crank and I do have one of the Uncle Jack crank scrapers to push the oil back in the pan. Is anyone else running lower oil levels like this? I would probably be better off with one of those fancy crank scrapers and a full oil pan. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charly Mitchel Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:24 AM To: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net; 19to1tr6 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper if you think about it you don't really change the oil level, only the volume. A little extra oil doesn't hurt and might help. The relation of the dip stick to the oil pump, crank block doesn't change when you lower the pan. I use a cast aluminum pan, spin on filter adapter, scraper and oil cooler and I take about 7 qts. oil. I haven't changed any markings on the dipstick. The added oil will help cooling the motor and probably help with oil surge problems Off to Mission BC for the VRCBC Historic races. http://www.vrcbc.ca/ Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ---------------------------------------- From: EDWARD BARNARD Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 7:32 PM To: Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>, Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] crank scraper Rob: Here is a question for you...did you extend the pump pickup deeper into the sump since the bottom of the sump is lower? If you did, then you should be able to get by with the same amount of oil as before. If you didn't, then the pickup is closer to the top of the oil, and more likely to starve. But, we are only talking about 3/16". I always try to get the pickup as close to the bottom without it actually touching. The manual tells you how long you should adjust the pickup to be with a standard sump set-up. Thanks - Ed - Rob <19to1tr6 at comcast.net> wrote: The sandwich of material when adding a crank scraper and windage tray spacer drops the oil pan (in my case) about 3/16 of an inch. Should I be adjusting the high oil mark on the on the oil dip stick. Or is this move to small to worry about ? Robert Bentley's book states 8 pints to fill an empty sump and 9 pints if the filter is changed out. I have an oil cooler etc. I have also had to change the dip stick and its holder tube in the block. With the cooler and filter I was in the range of 6 plus qts. Is it logical to take a new motor with out the filter on add the 8 pints let the oil settle this should give me the new bench mark needed on the dip stick. Right ?? I believe most of the additional oil for the cooler and spin on filter never settles back to the sump. thanks for the help rob Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 08:44:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:44:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen-The Legends Speak in the Village Message-ID: FOT For those who can be in the village by 3:00PM on Friday, the FoT will be represented by four Triumph guys from the 50s and 60s. There is an open forum featured every year known as the Legends Speak, in Lafayette Park. Committee Chair: Lew Durland Kas Kastner - no introduction needed. Ed Diehl- Drove for Kastner 12 Hours of Sebring in 1963 John Macartney- Triumph Factory Manager and Author. And much more Roberts Johns- Drove for the Triumph Factory in the 50s and then dropped out of sight. He is back! He co-drove the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957 with the late Mike Rothschild. Of course they will be will be with us for the duration of the weekend at the track and in our Triumph Hospitality Tent in the Paddock. check http://www.grandprixfestival.com/ for details Be there to support them, if you can. Joe Alexander From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 15 10:16:41 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:16:41 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A5ABE9.2030909@pobox.com> Joe, How much camber adjustment have you gotten with this setup? If I'm looking at this right, for each degree camber change you'd have to move the top of the tower in by (pi/180)*(length of tower). I haven't measured the length from crossbar to the bottom of the tower, but let's say it's 10 inches. That works out to 0.17 inch for one degree of camber change. That seems doable, but to go from stock camber of -2 degree to +2 degree would require about 0.7 inches. This is for each side, so the cross piece would have to be shortened by 1.4 inches. This seems like a long way to bend those towers. Larry Young > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 15 11:49:44 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow you to pull on the right and left tower independently? Dennis N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 12:03:55 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment" ... well that much I agree with...! Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last year, a > test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom designed > piece > like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He should > chime in any time now..... > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. It has been in the car for two years. It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more camber) Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. But it is easy to do and inexpensive. (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like it) If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one time basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 15 12:18:58 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:18:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in a TR 3-4 frame do you? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last > year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom > designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He > should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like > it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one > time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Aug 15 12:50:42 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:50:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> References: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> Message-ID: <8CACD1EF36DB2B0-8B0-A53@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> Yes Kas I can appreciate the rules limitations back in "the day", and no doubt that bending the chassis can and will change camber, but I just can't see any good reason to do that today, especially on a later TR with adjustable camber. Just my opinion of course... Glen -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: N197TR4 at cs.com; RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fubog1 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in a TR 3-4 frame do you? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: RKramer at rdoequipment.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 9:49 pm > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last > year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom > designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He > should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I like > it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a one > time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 13:54:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:54:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Dennis, No it doesnt. When you install the OEM part there is no independent push or pull, the theoretical equal amount of resistence on each side. My camber was set from 1.75-2.0 degrees before I installed the adjustable support. I only see it as a way to fine tune the camber, if I choose to do so. Thanks, Joe > Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow you to > pull on the right and left tower independently? > > Dennis > From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:06:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:06:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Exactly, Glen. Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. This would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not install this solely to use in adjusting camber. Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top of the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully in the past by sectioning the tube to shorten. Regards, Joe > "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber > adjustment" > > ... well that much I agree with...! > > Glen > From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:18:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:18:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/2008 1:19:28 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes it > worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional rigidity in > a TR 3-4 frame do you? > Thanks Kas....while no pretense as a chassis expert, I have a background in welding and weld fixtures on rollover protection systems and chassis. The TR chassis is primitive, of course, and it wouldnt surprise me if Ken Richardson didnt add this tube as alternative design to the original after the initial testing. Reports are that Ken indicated that the original chassis was a flexible disaster. Back to work on my carbureters....Joe From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 15 14:27:55 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:27:55 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Exactly, Glen. > > Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. > This > would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not > install > this solely to use in adjusting camber. > > Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top > of > the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. > > My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, > methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully > in the > past by sectioning the tube to shorten. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > > >> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber >> adjustment" >> >> ... well that much I agree with...! >> >> Glen >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 15 14:40:27 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:40:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor Message-ID: Kas, Aw go ahead and give us your four paragraphs. There is always some danger that we might learn something. I am all ears, even tho there is limited content between them. Joe A > I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its > value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is > going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get > to it. > > From tr4racing at googlemail.com Fri Aug 15 14:47:57 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:47:57 +0200 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> References: <0DCF7F46D93F48BFBAD322122FE90E9A@KasPC> Message-ID: I could imagine that it is advisable to make a cut under the tower in that traverse. If the tube between the towers is shortened than this cut can open up and taken stress from the front part of the frame. When the bending has taken place then reweld that cut together. Chris -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von Kas Kastner Gesendet: Freitag, 15. August 2008 22:28 An: N197TR4 at cs.com; Fubog1 at aol.com; jimhearn1 at comcast.net; RKramer at rdoequipment.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and its value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so get to it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Exactly, Glen. > > Once again, my camber was set before I installed this adjustable bar. > This > would only serve to fine tune if that was important to me. I would not > install > this solely to use in adjusting camber. > > Larry Young has calculated that it would take .7" of movement at the top > of > the tower on each side to effect 4 degrees of camber change. > > My final adjustment is relatively small and within a tolerable range, > methinks ...especial if one considers that this has been done successfully > in the > past by sectioning the tube to shorten. > > Regards, > > Joe > > > > > >> "People might have differing opinions about this method of camber >> adjustment" >> >> ... well that much I agree with...! >> >> Glen >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Aug 15 16:57:39 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:57:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video Message-ID: http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho o_082008 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 15 17:02:37 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:02:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor References: Message-ID: <005b01c8ff2b$033e24a0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Good answer, Joe. I, especially, am always open to learn more!! I figure when I stop learning, they'll be planting me. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Kas, > > Aw go ahead and give us your four paragraphs. There is always some > danger > that we might learn something. > > I am all ears, even tho there is limited content between them. > > Joe A > > >> I was just going to give a four paragraph dissertation on this tube and >> its >> value and what happen when you take it out etc, but decided everyone is >> going to experiment themselves and not believe anyone else's study, so >> get >> to it. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 15 17:20:24 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:20:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390808151620s1035a942web3ddfc24e4bc708@mail.gmail.com> Nice run. A. 2008/8/15 marty sukey > http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk > > Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in > Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. > > Marty > > _________________________________________________________________ > Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. > > http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho > o_082008 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Fri Aug 15 17:54:10 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:54:10 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. References: <8CACC9EABC9D821-664-3E3@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <002b01c8ff32$37a46ef0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> We have a track in North Texas, Eagles Canyon. Someday it may be a good choice to try and mix the east and west coasters again. It's longer then Hallet but definitely a small bore track. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. >A motley crew indeed.? Enjoy everyone and sorry us west coast types can't >make it this year.? We really enjoyed the Hallet adventure with you guys >two years ago! > ? > Chuck Gee > Blacksmith Racing > Spitfire Racer > Keeper of the Kastner Cup (at least for a few more weeks!)? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 7:10 pm > Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Entry List so far......as I know it. > > > > This is quite a premium group...we are missing some of the best, but > understand that not all can fit it into their schedules.................we > have > guests > flying in from all over the country, and from off shore, to be with us. > The > whole weekend will be Watkins Glen Magic. > > KASTNER CUP ENTRANTS > > ALEXANDER FAMILY TR4 > GEORGE WRIGHT TR4 > STEVE GROH SPITFIRE > ALCIDE LESSARD SPITFIRE > JOE BAROUCH TR3 > DICK STOCKTON TR4 > JACK DREWS TR4 > TONY DREWS TR4 > KEITH FILES TR4 > JEFF SNOOK TR3 > PETER BULKOWSKI TR8 > ROBERT DEANES TR4 > TIM SUDDARD TR3 > BILL TOBIN TR6 > BILL WARNER TR6/TR8 > BOB STADEL AMBRO > BOB KRAMER TR4 > RANDY WILLIAMS TR3 > JOHN FRIDIRICI TR3 > BILL DENTINGER TORNADO > BOB WISMER TR4 > HENRY FRYE TR4 > BILL BABCOCK PEYOTE > BILL HART DEVIN > DENNIS DELAP TR4 > JOHN JAMES TR4 > TONY GARMEY TR250K > GREG HILYER TR4 > BUD BABCOCK TR3 > FRED HODGSON unconfirmed > ANDREW KONOPKA SPITFIRE > RUSS MOORE SPITFIRE > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Fri Aug 15 19:08:39 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:08:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Creative camber adjustment Message-ID: <48A62897.4060808@cyberspeedway.net> Group, Back in the '80s I knew several Showroom Stock constructors who needed more negative camber from their pos Macpherson Strut front suspensions. Of course no mods were allowed. The solution was to pick up the front end with an overhead hoist and drop the car from ever increasing heights until enough negative camber was acheived. It was just barely legal if the manufacturer didn't publish a negative camber limit but that is how national championships are won. Greg From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Aug 15 19:36:24 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:36:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Makin' it look easy...I might have needed a road map. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: August 15, 2008 6:58 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] VTR NATC Autox video http://smorris.smugmug.com/gallery/5710440_UzwTk Above is a link to an in car video of my last run at the VTR event in Ypsilanti's last week. Kinda fun, sorry about the wind noise. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yah o o_082008 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 10:03:20 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:03:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Creative camber adjustment Message-ID: In a message dated 8/15/08 6:10:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gtlund at cyberspeedway.net writes: << Of course no mods were allowed. The solution was to pick up the front end with an overhead hoist and drop the car from ever increasing heights until en ough negative camber was achieved >> I never did any real scientific moves with my negative camber. In my earlier years, I used Lee Mueller springs with the spacers taken out and cut upper control arms on my TR-3. After accumulating what was left of Donna Mae Mims TR-3, I took apart the front suspension and found short springs with the spacer s still installed. I installed them on my car with uncut upper control arms, and got approximately the right negative camber. Someone told me that this was one of the first cars set up by Group 44, when they were working in a one stall lean-to in Falls Church, VA. I wonder if they did some trick maneuver, or did just lowering the car do the job. If anyo ne has any contacts with ex-Group 44 members, maybe he can ask them. Donna Mae also told me that she upset the car once, and the Group 44 roll bar collapsed on her. I saw her this summer working grid at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix. ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030 000000007 ) From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 11:24:40 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:24:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> Lots of ways to adjust camber on a TR3/4/5/6, this is certainly a good one. It would be best to anchor the bar in the middle so you could adjust each tower separately, but what the heck. The bar is absolutely necessary if you want your car to handle well, otherwise it will have variable camber as the towers bend in and out. Not good. On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow > you to pull on the right and left tower independently? > > Dennis > > > N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, > RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: > > >> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last >> year, a >> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom >> designed >> piece >> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He >> should >> chime in any time now..... >> >> > > I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. > It has been in the car for two years. > It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. > It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. > It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. > Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more > camber) > Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. > But it is easy to do and inexpensive. > (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) > It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have > differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I > like it) > > If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a > one time > basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. > Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:19:31 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <002501c8fe71$d2b69600$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: 40 PSI should be fine for short periods, especially if the car is nowhere close to redline. 10 pounds per thousand RPM used to be the standard, but better oils have made that less important. It's the ZERO oil pressure you get with no accumulator that zaps you. I also like to run the accumulator right into the oil gallery, where the accumulator pressure is probably the same as full RPM oil pump pressure after all the drops. On Aug 14, 2008, at 5:56 PM, Norlin Engineering wrote: > I noted that after hard > braking and sending the oil to the front of the pan, and then > turning left, > the gauge was still dropping to 40 psi. Added another 1/2 quart and > the > pressure stays at 70-80 all the time. > > Luckily, the field of cars was small, so I had plenty of safe time > to look > at gauges where I normally never would. In discussing this with the > engine > builder, he told me not to worry if the dipstick shows overfull in > the pits > since there is so much oil flying around in the engine at speed. > What you > need to do is to establish a new fill mark on the dipstick. During > all of > this, I had no oil coming out of the breathers, so I don't believe I > overfilled at all, even though I've now got 6+ quarts in the Spit. > Over the > winter, we'll look at some improved baffles for the oil pan. > > Hope this helps. > > Jim Norlin From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:22:42 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:22:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] crank scraper In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I run the oil level at the bottom of the dipstick with a two quart accumulator. No engine problems in years, every since I started running an accumulator on the oil gallery. On Aug 15, 2008, at 6:06 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I may be off base on this topic because I have no data to support > what I have > been doing, but I run about a quart low on the dipstick with a 3 quart > accumulator attached to the main oil galley. I watch the oil gauge > and have > not seen it bouncing around. The idea is to keep oil off the crank > and I do > have one of the Uncle Jack crank scrapers to push the oil back in > the pan. Is > anyone else running lower oil levels like this? I would probably be > better off > with one of those fancy crank scrapers and a full oil pan. > > -- From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 12:29:08 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:29:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> References: <8CACD186AA48D24-8B0-756@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> <8D53581DD27B4784994C3A97744B8D11@KasPC> Message-ID: I'll tell you, there's no rigidity of any type anywhere. The Ambro #1 lacks the "roll cage" bars from the hoop to the rear spring mount that Peyote has. The front bracing is similar to Peyote. When I jack a front wheel the other front wheel comes off the ground immediately. When I jack a back corner, only that corner rises. The rest hardly lift on the springs. If I jack a rear corner on Peyote the unjacked rear wheel comes off the ground about one jack stroke after the jacked side, and the front wheel on the jacked side comes off the ground a couple of pumps later. On Aug 15, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Kas Kastner wrote: > In the days of no allowances for "A" arm mods and ball joint changes > it > worked just SWELL. You don't really think there is any tensional > rigidity in > a TR 3-4 frame do you? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 11:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 16 12:40:54 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor In-Reply-To: <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> References: <581965.63352.qm@web81704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <794D4B9B-5A07-413C-9AFD-FCCA2C1AD36D@bnj.com> Message-ID: Yeah, a small tang on the bottom of the tube in the middle and then a 3/4" tube to each side of the frame rail (if there is room) should hold things nicely. Make up your own ends, threaded or eyes, or rod ends. Paint it flat black and it disappears. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Dennis DeLap" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 piece between radiator and motor > Lots of ways to adjust camber on a TR3/4/5/6, this is certainly a good > one. It would be best to anchor the bar in the middle so you could > adjust each tower separately, but what the heck. The bar is absolutely > necessary if you want your car to handle well, otherwise it will have > variable camber as the towers bend in and out. Not good. > > On Aug 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Dennis DeLap wrote: > >> Joe - I have not seen a picture of your invention. Does it allow >> you to pull on the right and left tower independently? >> >> Dennis >> >> >> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> In a message dated 8/14/2008 4:29:34 PM Central Daylight Time, >> RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes: >> >> >>> Joe Alexander had a custom brace on his car at Road America last >>> year, a >>> test model of something he was thinking about selling. A custom >>> designed >>> piece >>> like Joe's might be an aesthetic upgrade and solve your problem. He >>> should >>> chime in any time now..... >>> >>> >> >> I have a aluminum tube that is anodized 'gold'. >> It has been in the car for two years. >> It is straight across as it doesnt have to miss any moving parts. >> It can be removed with one bolt and unscrewed from the other side. >> It can be adjusted (RH/LH Threads) to change camber. >> Kas liked it...(he took the tubes and sectioned them to induce more >> camber) >> Uncle Jack likes it. But hasnt done it yet....not a high priority. >> But it is easy to do and inexpensive. >> (far easier than doing a production run of steel flywheels) >> It does a plethora of things and it looks trick. (People might have >> differing opinions about this method of camber adjustment, but I >> like it) >> >> If there were enough interest, I could put some kits together on a >> one time >> basis (this winter) otherwise I have no plans for production. >> Thanks Mr. Kramer. I am pleased it caught your eye. >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 16 15:23:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander From spitlist at cox.net Sat Aug 16 15:27:24 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, That is a terrible shock. Uncle Jack was everybody's best friend and he will be sorely missed. Please keep us all informed. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 15:31:15 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:31:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Good Heavens Joe. We are all in shock. I can only imagine what you and Tony are going through. Please give everyone our love and we are praying for each of you, the family and everyone in the FOT family. What a loss of a good man, father & friend. God Bless You All, Gary & Karla Fuqua Branson, MO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 15:42:33 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:42:33 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omigod! I'm so sorry to hear this! Please let Tony and Frances know my prayers are with them... and with you and Jan Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sat Aug 16 15:47:19 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74AE7.1070000@141.com> OMG!!! That was the absolute last thing I expected to see in FOT traffic today!! Joe, please pass our condolences along to Frances and Tony, and also for yourself and Jan. I am so, SO sorry. He was a great man who cared about helping others, and was a great racer, father, mentor, husband and friend. He will be extremely missed. I am sure everyone is in shock and everything is unsettled right now, but is there anything we can help with? Please let us know! Very sadly, Susan From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Aug 16 15:57:03 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:57:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74D2F.4080201@greenheart.com> Joe... I'm saddened to hear this... my heart goes out to his family... and his close friends... such as yourself... Just a little over a month ago, I lost two friends to cancer, one relatively young, one old, both too soon, within weeks of each other... Losing friends leaves various sized sink holes in our lives that no matter how much we try to fill, they just reappear. I'll miss Jack's posts and the camaraderie he brought to the newsgroups. I wish I had the opportunity to know him as you had. My father died unexpectedly after a day of snow skiing, you may even remember the day, as I shared it with the newsgroup back in '98.... There's something to be said when someone passes doing what they love to do. Thank you for sharing the news... --Justin Wagner N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >Friends of Triumphs > >Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > >I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > >Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > >It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or >medical condition. > >More information will be available later. > >Joe & Jan Alexander > > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mdporter at dfn.com Sat Aug 16 16:00:17 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:00:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > Shit. My condolences to you, Joe, and Tony, and all his family. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 16 16:04:58 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:04:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5950D473-4C21-4C16-B386-A09929B95940@bnj.com> Damn. That took the wind right out of me. a real gentleman and a great guy. I'm proud to have known him. Sorry to all of you and his family. On Aug 16, 2008, at 2:23 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this > information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, > or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sat Aug 16 16:06:00 2008 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:06:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: This is indeed horrible news. I am simply in shock, as I know we all are. Jack was simply a fine, fine man, a good freind to all, and a perfect ambassador for our sport and the Triumph marque. God bless Jack, his family, and those of us left behind to miss him. John Houlton **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 16 16:13:44 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:13:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <005401c8ffed$591660f0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> Joe, I am in shock. My hear goes out to Frances and Tony and to you. Whatever the cause we have lost a great guy. Our thoughts and prayers are with you all. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > >> Friends of Triumphs >> >> Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. >> >> I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. >> >> Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. >> >> It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or >> medical condition. >> >> More information will be available later. >> >> Joe & Jan Alexander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com Fri Aug 8 17:38:47 2008 From: Steve.Belfer at warnerbros.com (Belfer, Steve) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:38:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Brake Drums seem loose Message-ID: Last winter I bought a set of the Brembo aluminum filled brake drums for my TR3B from TRF. They get 240z units new and machine to fit. Here is the link: http://www.zeni.net/trf/sampler/41.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200 I let them sit on the shelf for a long long time and finally went to fit them up. The hole in the center lines up perfectly with the "hub" on the axle, however, it seems that the four stud holes are slightly too big. This means that the drum goes on very easily and rotates about 3/8 inch fwd and back. My heavier stock units require a good sqeeze and hand tapping to get it on all the way and it won't budge or rotate. Now, I know that when the wheel is bolted up, the drum shouldn't move but it feels bad that the steel drum fits very snug and the new one feels a little loose. I have Southwick axles and not sure this changes the fit of stock brake drums. Did I tell you these things were about 160 bucks each? My rear brakes work fine as is but thought the aluminum finned jobs would really look cool. They're also very light. The brake drums shouldn't be loose at all when fit, right? ~Steve From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:14:24 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:14:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> References: <48A74DF1.4080907@dfn.com> Message-ID: That pretty well sums it up. My heart goes out to all his family and friends. Tony, Joe.. if there is anything I can do I'm here. Marty > > Shit. > > > My condolences to you, Joe, and Tony, and all his family. > > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo _Gallery_082008 From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Aug 10 12:58:16 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:58:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] rebuildable TR3A value? In-Reply-To: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> References: <489E67A0.7020907@razzolink.com> Message-ID: <489F3A48.9010906@greenheart.com> TeriAnn.... I've generally found that Triumph pricing is pretty much tied to how much parts and painting would cost to bring the vehicle to a good restored standard. What's not in the calculation is labor (except for labor involved with body work, rust repairs, etc. by a reputable shop). Subsequently, if you want to bring the car up to a quality of restoration that would likely be worth $15,000 in today's market, you figure out what bodywork/paint would cost and what the needed parts would cost.... to bring it to that level.... i.e. $6000 in parts, $4000 paint job.... means that such a car is worth about $5000. You mentioned your find needs new floor panels.... and possible rust issues.... would likely need a new transmission... engine rebuild, etc... this can really add up... So now, take note.... labor for restoration work other than body work/painting doesn't seem to ever be part of the equation.... The point there is.... the market rarely rewards you for your labor with these cars. Subsequently, the only people that can restore these cars to "flip"... for a real profit.... are those that can really bring down their parts and labor costs.... i.e. an established shop with access to parts cars, wholesale parts pricing, etc. Of course there are exceptions... putting in the extra elbow grease and dollars, to make the car an extremely good restoration... can equate to a significantly higher selling price...much more than the example of $15K, but then you're looking at the old, "it takes money to make money"... as you'd have to put all the more money into parts and all the more of your time and labor... On occasion, you can simply get a deal. Sometimes those "new parts" collected for that restoration that never happened are worth as much as or more than the car.... and yet the seller just lumps it in and you're really getting those parts for free, etc. So it may be worth going over this inventory of spares more carefully. I'm always amazed to hear of some great deals... usually it's because someone saw a Triumph parked in a field or behind a building, etc., that looks like it's been there for a long time... or maybe they noticed it sitting there for years... and they made inquiries... and the owner just let's the car go for peanuts. It happens. That said, I'm generally pretty amazed at how you can look at photos of Triumphs for sale, and the prices inevitably correlate very closely to what it would take to bring them up to snuff. The traps are usually the cars that are a hell of a lot more clapped out than you think... These are the ones to watch out for. It appears you're in California, as I am... trust me... you can find a TR3 that doesn't have any rust issues.... That can be difficult for our friends in parts of the east coast, etc. You can save a lot of money and headaches by starting with a relatively rust free car. I recently purchased a 1954 TR2.... and rust is not an issue....period. It's worth inspecting the rust issues closely, especially when it's already apparent that it needs new floor boards. Just my thoughts... Cheers. --Justin TeriAnn Wakeman wrote: >There is a TR3A (TS768 something) that might be up for sale. The owner >is trying to sell his house and the 3 must go. The vehicle is located >in the Santa Cruz, California. If I went through the effort to rescue >it then turn it over I am wondering what a project TR3A is worth these days. > >It was originally sold in France, resold to an American serviceman who >brought it to the States. It was later sold to the present owner who >decided to restore it about 20 years ago. He quickly discovered he >didn't have the body work skills so the project sat & he restored a '55 >T-bird that didn't need body work instead. > >The car: 1960 BRG. It appears to be a solid project vehicle that is at >least 90% complete. It needs new floor panels, may or may not need outer >sills. There is a little rust here & there but most looks like surface >rust from old unpainted primer. The engine turns but has not been >fired up. There are 2 gearboxes, one W/O overdrive & an overdrive box >without the overdrive. It has painted wire wheels, the steel factory >hard top, hood sticks, optional heater & tonneau cover. > >There is a new uninstalled black interior kit and new installed carpet >kit plus unspecified new & used parts in boxes. The body panels are >loosely bolted to the tub but it looks like a more solid base that the >car than mine was. The instrument panel & steering wheel area appears >to be untouched and the seats seem solid. > >Any ideas as to that this project car would be worth in today's market? >I'm trying to decide if it is worth the effort to dig out, go over it to >better ascertain condition, locate the assorted parts , see what's there >& put it up for resale. I'm not thinking about top dollar, just a >reasonable price to someone who would restore it or convert it into a >race car. > >Any thoughts? > >Teriann >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 16 16:16:40 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:16:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01c8ffed$c2ae3d30$6401a8c0@richardiipc> Frances, Tony, Joe, Jan and the rest of our Iowa FoT family, Our group, The Friends of Triumph, might be better named "The International Friends of a Small but Very Special Group of Iowans." You guys are without peer. Please know that the loss of Jack is a loss felt deeply by many of us over many hemispheres. Our respect, concern and love is with you. Richard Taylor Atlanta -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Sat Aug 16 16:20:56 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:20:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: what kind of event was it?....what was he driving?....any track details ? ************** Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 16 16:25:20 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:25:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have lost a treasured friend and great tuner of racing equipment. Jack had a world of friends who each have a story and thought about this wonderful fellow. To our friend Jack, lost now but never forgotten, a true sportsman and grand family man. Let us all hope that his passing now will allow him to continue racing onwards in another theatre. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Joe, > That is a terrible shock. Uncle Jack was everybody's best friend and he > will be sorely missed. > > Please keep us all informed. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Aug 16 16:42:30 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Whoa. Words fail me. Others above have said it all for me. Uncle Jack helped me on numerous occasions, in person, and virtually. He always had time for me, and even seconded my nomination to FOT many years ago. Tony and the Drews family, my absolutely sincere condolences. Shane _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yaho o_082008 From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Aug 16 16:42:50 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:42:50 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At this moment I have read that Jack Drews has died from an racing accident. I feel very sorry to hear this. He helped me so much with the pistons and other engine parts. A great man he was! Chris From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Sat Aug 16 17:05:34 2008 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <003001c8fff4$99452dd0$c6514c0c@user90890nvpgh> Joe Jan and the Drews family, Horrible news on the list today. Prayers out to all his loved ones. First met "Uncle Jack" and Joe A at Carlisle few years back. Always looked forward to seeing him again after that. Will miss him greatly at the Glen. Bill DeWar TR Rescue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 16 17:11:31 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:11:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A75EA3.5030803@bradakis.com> http://www.thicko.com/jack.htm mjb. From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Aug 16 17:15:06 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:15:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: My Gawd, Words can't convey the impact. Heartfelt sorrow expressed to all of the family. Beyond that, who can imagine the TR racing world without "Uncle Jack". I'm very thankful I met him . Tony and all, I respectfully offer my condolences. Our sorrows are less than yours but the Triumph world is a lesser place today. In a message dated 8/16/2008 2:24:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sat Aug 16 17:20:26 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:20:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes Message-ID: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> I've removed the message size limits and picture filters, in case someone has lots to say or pictures they wish to share over the next few days. mjb. From gasket.works at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 17:19:31 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:19:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <3521984.12509481218928771367.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> This simply kicked me in my gut. The suddenness and finality of it is too much. Say it isn't true. Jacks mind was always working on some grand new project and perfecting that which was already made. I hope he can download some of his unfinnished dreams to us. Mordy From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Aug 16 17:28:31 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:28:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes - Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> References: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48A7629F.8000901@greenheart.com> While I look forward to hearing of any family-chosen charities for Jack.... in the meantime... I just donated $50.00 to Fat Chance Garage/Team.net, in Jack's name. --Justin Wagner Mark J Bradakis wrote: >I've removed the message size limits and picture filters, in case >someone has lots to say or pictures they wish to share over >the next few days. > >mjb. > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From gp89 at charter.net Sat Aug 16 17:30:01 2008 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <3521984.12509481218928771367.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> Message-ID: <20080816193001.TNX3S.229683.root@fepweb13> Geez Jack, I never got the wrench back to ya that you dropped at Blackhawk, now what do I do with it? Gonna miss ya. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Sat Aug 16 17:32:06 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:32:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Memories of Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> References: <48A760BA.7030306@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48A76376.2030906@141.com> Thanks for the restriction removal, Mark! Here are two pics that give me some very good memories. The first one is of Jack and me at Hallet in 2001. He had just overtaken me in a clean pass, and was bombing on to continue his storm around the track. We all joked that the photo showed clear evidence that I was taking him on the outside. :) The second one is of Jack winning the first Kastner Cup, at Mosport in 2003. He was the epitome of the sport. We will miss you, Unk! Susan :) -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jerry Van Vlack ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.3/1614 - Release Date: 8/15/2008 5:29 PM From budscars at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 17:58:50 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:58:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <48A74AE7.1070000@141.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8fffc$089827d0$0302a8c0@Bud> I am very sorry to hear that sad news. Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Kahler" To: ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > OMG!!! That was the absolute last thing I expected to see in FOT > traffic today!! Joe, please pass our condolences along to Frances and > Tony, and also for yourself and Jan. I am so, SO sorry. > > He was a great man who cared about helping others, and was a great > racer, father, mentor, husband and friend. He will be extremely missed. > > I am sure everyone is in shock and everything is unsettled right now, > but is there anything we can help with? Please let us know! > > Very sadly, > Susan > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Aug 16 18:06:55 2008 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Temporary list changes - Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <48A7629F.8000901@greenheart.com> Message-ID: While I look forward to hearing of any family-chosen charities for Jack.... in the meantime... I just donated $50.00 to Fat Chance Garage/Team.net, in Jack's name. --Justin Wagner Excellent suggestion. I too, just sent $50. Jack was a class guy and deserves our fondest memories. Ken Gano From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 16 18:27:57 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:27:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76EE9D10-1D1E-4317-A5A3-F0D640DA495D@earthlink.net> What terrible news. As a son from another "father and son" Triumph racing team, I am deeply saddened by this surprising and rotten news. Today, I snuck out to the garage to work on my Uncle Jack front axle upgrade. He emailed me some helpful advice just a few days ago. I feel so bad for Tony and the gang. :( ~Steve > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this > information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, > or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From awashatko at wi.rr.com Sat Aug 16 18:30:49 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:30:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <410984EB-BD60-4E17-818E-C755F9E57CB7@wi.rr.com> My heart tumbled when I stood in front of my computer and gazed upon the repeated "subject" regarding Jack. How can this be? As we all struggle to adjust to this new reality, I just want to send my thoughts and prayers to Tony and the entire Drews family. I will truly miss Jack. In Sympathy, Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Sat Aug 16 19:00:34 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:00:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <00d701c90004$a892ec40$2d620143@your55e5f9e3d2> I offer my sincere condolences to the family and freinds of Jack Drews. He will truly be missed. He was one of my heroes. Ron Sanborn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1616 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 > 5:12 PM > > From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Aug 16 19:27:33 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:27:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I am proud to say Jack was a great friend. I spent the day with the Drews family in the paddock at Grattan, and can say Jack was having a ball. He was driving well and his car was running great. And of course his car was looking great. As we were working on Tony's car I heard Jack talking to a guy that was taking pictures of his car. The guy said he was into building models and wanted to do up a model of Jack's car. I am sure that happened to Jack all the time. Jack and I were at Mosport this past June along with several other FOT. He wasn't driving that weekend, he was supporting Tony. When we were sitting around shooting the breeze, I told him I had been meaning to tell him this for a while. I thanked him for all the hard work he has done for the benefit of the Triumph racing community. Developing the Southwick Axle, taking on the spindle kits, the aluminum hubs, etc. His response surprised me. He said nobody ever thanked him for that. Now I am really glad I did. We all suffered a great loss today. My heart goes out to the Drews family. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device From tr6nut at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 19:28:42 2008 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:28:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Aluminum Brake Drums seem loose In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A77ECA.8090903@verizon.net> The 240z uses 12mm studs, which are bigger than the 7/16" studs that the TR uses - hence the "sloppiness". Once you bolt up the wheel, it won't move. From tr6nut at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 19:34:03 2008 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:34:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> References: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <48A7800B.2020901@verizon.net> The internet is a strange thing. You can have friends who you've never met, and the loss of one of them hits you just as hard as if you has met them in person. Godspeed Jack. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Aug 16 21:01:36 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:01:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A79490.6070101@141.com> Here's a link to a video of father & son dueling each other at Mosport in 2003. http://www.141.com/triumphs/Mosport2003/Jack%20&%20Tony.MPG Jack will certainly be missed. Brad N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.4/1615 - Release Date: 8/16/2008 7:11 AM > > > > From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Aug 16 21:30:43 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:30:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <007301c90019$a1be3770$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I am shock. I have been e-mailing Jack about my engine rebuild for the past months. We took our axle down by him to Southwick for the conversion. He was always so helpful to us. He will be sorely missed for his graciousness and helpfulness to a "newby". Our sincere condolences to Francis and Tony and family and friends such as Joe. It's hard to comprehend. We were to be at Grattan but I didn't get the engine done in time. Maybe it's best. I'm not sure I could handle such a tragedy in person. I'm at a loss for words. Tony and Francis, I'm truly sorry for your loss. Tim and Ryan Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Sat Aug 16 21:44:35 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:44:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7DF17EAF6AC54CDDB54D8840C8BF638A@hal9000> I am deeply saddened by the news of Jack's passing. I never met him in person but we corresponded quite a bit. He has advised me on several occasions in building my own TR4 and from here on I can look at my car and be reminded of him all the little things he helped me with. I'm sure I'm not the only one. My heart goes out to the Drews family and I would like to say thank you Jack for your kindness and advice. Godspeed, Jim Gray -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 16 21:48:08 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=97160 Sad to hear the news, condolences to all. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: August 16, 2008 5:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 21:56:15 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <017b01c9001d$32f55400$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, condolences to his family and friends. This is terrible. I met Jack and Tony at Grattan last year; they were very friendly and helpful. Before I found out who he was, I was talking to him about the uprated front spindles on my TR6. He questioned me about their quality and ease of installation. When I answered positively about about both, he smiled, held out his hand , and said, "Hi, I'm Uncle Jack!" They were his spindles! Great guy. He and Joe stopped in Erie last spring on their way to Boston. We had dinner and went for ice cream. Fun time. I'm running a 10k foot race tomorrow; I'll do it in Jacks memory. Thanks, Jack, for everything. Sadly, Bill Tobin----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From gwizracing at cfu.net Sat Aug 16 22:08:14 2008 From: gwizracing at cfu.net (Gary Wiezorek) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:08:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48A7A42E.1090904@cfu.net> This is the saddest news. Carol and I are completely heartbroken. Our thoughts and prayers are with Jack's family. Jack was indeed "*_The __Gentleman_ _Triumph_*". His family and friends including the "Friends of Triumph" have suffered a great loss today. Jack, Joe and myself all worked at John Deere before retiring. Jack has always been a good friend and was a gentleman at work as well as at play. It was Jack and Joe that helped me build my TR4 and enjoy racing with them. His help was always excellent and graciously given. The world lost a true racing gentleman today. Gary Wiezorek Formerly TR4 #96 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 00:38:15 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:38:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: Amen Gary!! New Owner of "Former #96" that is now # 69. Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars Branson, MO **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gasket.works at verizon.net Sun Aug 17 02:03:54 2008 From: gasket.works at verizon.net (Gasket Works USA) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:03:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Mr. Jack Message-ID: <25245003.21390551218960234706.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost> http://www.wzzm13.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=97160&catid=2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Aug 16 15:04:46 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:04:46 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I am so sorry to have heard the news of this untimely loss. Jack Drews, along with Kas and Joe Alexander, epitomize the inventiveness and generosity that is FOT. I'm grateful to him, Mark B and all the leaders of this fine group for providing me with a valuable and enjoyable forum and brotherhood. Long live the memories of Jack and the Triumphant legacy he leaves behind. Steve P. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 06:51:31 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:51:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Memories of Jack Message-ID: Greg Petrolati -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: _BF10170r.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58058 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some fellow with a TR6 was on a road trip and his front upright failed. Somehow he got ahold of Jack out of the phone book. Although Jack did not know him from Adam , he called me (we were working on the spindle stiffener project at the time) and I overnighted him the one off of my car that we were using for the mockup. Of course the guy fixed his car and drove off, never to return the upright, and of course Jack found one and replaced mine. He was the most stand up guy your could ever want to work with and woudl do anything to help anybody. Tony, I am so sorry for your loss but take comfort that he went out doing what he loved to do, we should all be so lucky. Mark Weathers 72 TR6> From: N197TR4 at cs.com> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:23:20 -0400> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan> > Friends of Triumphs> > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information.> > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan.> > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition.> > More information will be available later.> > Joe & Jan Alexander> > > _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fubog1 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 07:17:41 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:17:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CACE82C3295B05-84-393B@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com> Joe...Tony... so sorry to hear this... You're in my thoughts & prayers, please pass my condolences on to the rest of the family. RIP Jack Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 5:23 pm Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Friends of Triumphs Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or medical condition. More information will be available later. Joe & Jan Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From igofaster at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:23:05 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 7:23:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] I offer my sincere condolences to the family and freinds of Jack Drews. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080817102305.IWHW6.226745.root@fepweb16> I never met Uncle Jack, not sure I even conversed with him on the forum. With tears in my eyes, I can only offer my prayers to Jacks family. Obviously a huge loss to our small community. When one of us laughs, we all laugh. when one of us cries, we all cry. God Speed to Uncle Jack. Bobby Whitehead CVAR GT6+ From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Sun Aug 17 08:24:55 2008 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] RE. Jack Drews died this afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: <956441.7108.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Francis, Tony, Joe and Jan, My deepest sympathy for the great loss. My thought and prayers will be with you in this time of grief. Jack was a prince of a man. I shall cherish memories of he and Francis taking me into their home and sharing lunch with me the time I picked up the TR 3 head he had reworked for me. And the tape of "Racing Blues". Thanks Uncle Jack you were loved by all. Rest in peace. Ken Suhre From igofaster at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:29:56 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 7:29:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080817102956.P4YT9.226851.root@fepweb16> My Triumph GT6 has been moved from Group7 to Group2, in the group change Eddie Dick has a Sprite and it seems we shared the same #54. So , I'm getting new numbers for the GT6... #53... I had this thought while I was at the vinyl sign shop tomorrow, to get a small vinyl lettering to add to the body work.... "In Memory of Uncle Jack" Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR Triumph GT6 From gaf3 at charter.net Sun Aug 17 08:44:41 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:44:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <003a01c8ffe3$b7198060$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <48A83959.3070504@charter.net> Unfortunately I never had a chance to meet Jack. I have admired his dedication to the sport, his abilities, and his inventiveness. My condolences go out to family and friends. Sincerely Glenn Franco Steven Preiss wrote: > I am so sorry to have heard the news of this untimely loss. Jack > Drews, along with Kas and Joe Alexander, epitomize the inventiveness > and generosity that is FOT. I'm grateful to him, Mark B and all the > leaders of this fine group for providing me with a valuable and > enjoyable forum and brotherhood. Long live the memories of Jack and > the Triumphant legacy he leaves behind. > Steve P. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sun Aug 17 09:17:42 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:17:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: This is my last correspondence with Jack: <> That might be a problem, Jack. The whole time that I have been fooling around with this stuff, I have only come by one long manifold, which is on the car now. I will look around. Bill.>> Jack's spindles are on the car, and a few other things. What a terrible calamity.


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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) From rjl at gt-classics.com Sun Aug 17 10:02:48 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:02:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, words fail me. My thoughts are with Tony and Frances right now. I know that this felt like a gut punch to me, and can only imagine how his family feels right now. We've lost a good man. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sun Aug 17 10:07:06 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:07:06 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: He was always a guy which was fun to discuss technical things. He had the mind to understand and his ideas were great. His advice was to try a narrow rods from a V8 as a replacement of the stock rods. He has ordered pistons, rods and bearings for me without know me and being several thousand miles away. I'll miss this very interesting conversations we had per mail. He also invited me to Road America and would have organize all to comfort me but unfortunately this was beyond my racing budget. -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] Im Auftrag von WEmery7451 at aol.com Gesendet: Sonntag, 17. August 2008 17:18 An: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; gwizracing at cfu.net; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Betreff: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan This is my last correspondence with Jack: <> That might be a problem, Jack. The whole time that I have been fooling around with this stuff, I have only come by one long manifold, which is on the car now. I will look around. Bill.>> Jack's spindles are on the car, and a few other things. What a terrible calamity.


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(http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00 030000000007 ) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Sun Aug 17 10:34:07 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race Message-ID: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll all cry for Jack in our own time. Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way to honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He certainly did. It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. Bill From keithfiles at btinternet.com Sun Aug 17 10:46:56 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:46:56 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: <48A79490.6070101@141.com> Message-ID: <48A23A1E00D84007@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Dear all, I have had the privilege of knowing Jack for a short time; Jack took the barn find (thanks Joe) that is my blue TR4 and turned it from a mess into the race car that it is today. Jack had a wealth of knowledge on these cars and absolutely nothing was a challenge to him. I had the pleasure of staying with Jack and Francis in Geneseo a couple of times and you could not have wished for better company from a hugely charming couple. I last saw Jack at Mosport in June when he was in fine form and, as always, very attentive towards me, my family and my car; he will be sorely missed by us all over here in the UK. Keith. From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Aug 17 11:16:53 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> References: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: Thank you Bill for saying it much better than I could. Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cofrog at q.com Sun Aug 17 12:00:56 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: Awful news. Met the man once at Hallet and was greatly impressed. Had several very helpful phone conversations and did a number of pleasant business transactions with him. Extremely knowlegeble and a true gentleman. Jack, along with Joe Alexander, are the heart a soul of FOT and our small group along with his family and friends have suffered a greivious loss. 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URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 17 12:12:20 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:12:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sigh Message-ID: <48A86A04.70103@bradakis.com> On sunday mornings our local community radio station has a 4 hour folk music type program [ http://www.krcl.org ] For some reason the programmer played about 4 different versions of 'Knocking on Heaven's Door' so far this morning. Interesting choice of background music for going through the saddening emails of the last 24 hours. Sigh. Time to get off my butt, I've Triumphs to work on! mjb. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 17 12:27:33 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:27:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe and Jack Message-ID: Carlisle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But a few of us were lucky to meet Joe and Jack at the Seattle Historics and the Columbia River Classic in Portland in 2006. Part of the CRC is a "block party" to celebrate the vintage spirit. Everyone is encouraged to dress the era of their choice (40's, 50's 60's etc). Attached are a couple rare photos of the Northwest FOT group with Uncle Jack and Joe. When asked where he got the vintage leisure suit, white belt and shoes Uncle Jack said (with a huge smile on his face) "it was hanging in my closet". We were the fortunate few... Mark ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had so looked forward to meeting him somewhere 'along the road' I'll travel next year in the Triumph Charity Drive, but this will never be. My deepest condolences to Jack's family, his many close friends - both on the track and off, together with all those whose lives he touched. I know he will be deeply missed by all but surely we should also rejoice in knowing that his passing came about simply doing something he loved - and that in doing it, he could revel in true happiness. Jonmac From fasttrs at mindspring.com Sun Aug 17 18:46:37 2008 From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (fasttrs) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:46:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Tony and Frances I am so sorry for your loss. We are all shocked and saddened by the loss of Uncle Jack. He was a great help and inspiration to us all. Here are a few photos I have of our Beloved Uncle Jack. The first one is of Jack on track at the 2006 Oklahoma event. The second one is him heading out to the track at Road Atlanta in 2005. Mike Munson Bowling Green, KY. #28 EP TR6 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FOT Hallett 06 025.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3103640 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 538.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 152347 bytes Desc: not available URL: From triosan at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 19:28:16 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:28:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> References: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808171828v35fe51c6q9a72298323d3455c@mail.gmail.com> Thank's Bill. That was a very nice piece. Joe, I know the shock and loss will last a life time for you. I am sorry for that. Sorry too that I never met Jack, though we comuned often on this site. Still have a set of his axels too install this winter. Tony, my condolences to you and your family. Your dad will live on in the memories of many, many people. The tributes on this list speak to that. I have alws=ays told my wife that vintage racing is "safe", but should I die doing she will know I died happy. Love to you all. Chuck Arnold On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look > forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost > to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a > motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply > don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The > stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real > feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other > things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the > hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. > I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took > me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll > all cry for Jack in our own time. > > Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen > "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of > time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way to > honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He > certainly did. > > It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing > something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it > would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was > still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being > with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtalbott at archrepro.com Sun Aug 17 19:47:26 2008 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:47:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <000501c900d4$5e2cf080$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> Oh, my. What a shock to return from a weekend away to this dreadful news. As I've been thinking of Uncle Jack this evening I keep recalling the line from The Wind in the Willows about there being nothing "half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." For Jack, it seemed, it was only a matter of replacing the "boats" with "cars," and he was indeed a happy camper. The attached photo was taken at Road Atlanta in 2005 shortly after the Kastner Cup festivities were complete, and several of our beloved Iowan's had put together a little presentation for Richard Taylor. I'm not sure why Uncle Jack seemed so intent on reading the sheet music, as it was quite apparent that he knew all the words by heart. I was born on a farm out in iowa A flaming youth I was bound I would fly away I packed my grip and I grabbed my saxophone Can't read notes, but I play anything by ear I made up tunes on the sounds that I used to hear When I'd start to play folks to say 'sounds a little goofus to me' Sure gonna miss him. DT ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Goofus.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 124648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dkettler at powercom.net Sun Aug 17 21:11:22 2008 From: dkettler at powercom.net (David Kettler) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: Message-ID: <01e401c900e0$185f68b0$1f1172d8@David> Frances, Tony, Joe, Jan, all FOT: My condolences to all on this very sad news. Things I remember about Jack: He was always interested in what others were doing even though he had so many things going on. He always took an interest in other peoples' ideas. The first time I met him. I was privileged to see Jack, his car and his shop in Iowa. He was involved in a project on the racecar on a weeknight and took time out to talk with me and show me what he was doing. Oh yes, I got to meet Frances that night too! Many race weekends at Road America. I'm sure the next time I take a ride in my street TR4A it will run even better with the parts in it from Uncle Jack. Dave Kettler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > Friends of Triumphs > > Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. > > I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this information. > > Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. > > It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver error, or > medical condition. > > More information will be available later. > > Joe & Jan Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From jfrymark at aol.com Sun Aug 17 21:50:04 2008 From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:50:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 21, Issue 31 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D0699CE-38B2-4315-8C46-513DF43DA2A7@aol.com> Like others just getting this news, I am deeply saddened by Uncle Jack's passing. He was a real "Gentleman Racer". My heartfelt sympathies to Tony and the Drews family. John Frymark On Aug 17, 2008, at 6:47 PM, fot-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Send Fot mailing list submissions to > fot at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > fot-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > fot-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Fot digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Jack's race (Chuck Arnold) > 2. Re: Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan (David Talbott) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:28:16 -0700 > From: "Chuck Arnold" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack's race > To: "Bill Babcock" > Cc: FOT List > Message-ID: > <8cbd782d0808171828v35fe51c6q9a72298323d3455c at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank's Bill. That was a very nice piece. > > Joe, I know the shock and loss will last a life time for you. I am > sorry > for that. Sorry too that I never met Jack, though we comuned often > on this > site. Still have a set of his axels too install this winter. > > Tony, my condolences to you and your family. Your dad will live on > in the > memories of many, many people. The tributes on this list speak to > that. > > I have alws=ays told my wife that vintage racing is "safe", but > should I die > doing she will know I died happy. > > Love to you all. > > Chuck Arnold > > > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > >> I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look >> forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost >> to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a >> motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply >> don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The >> stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real >> feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other >> things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the >> hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the >> loss. >> I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took >> me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll >> all cry for Jack in our own time. >> >> Looking forward helps. I suggest we call our race in Watkins Glen >> "Uncle Jacks Race". I'm sure as we gather we'll all spend a lot of >> time remembering this remarkable man. I can't think of a better way >> to >> honor him than to put his name on my car and race it hard. He >> certainly did. >> >> It's terribly trite and no real comfort to say someone died doing >> something they loved, but both of my friends did. Way too soon--it >> would always be too soon. But it's a measure of the man that he was >> still doing the things he loved, surrounded by people he loved being >> with. If I could choose they way I'll go, that would be it. >> >> Bill >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/e7da1f9c/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:47:26 -0700 > From: "David Talbott" > Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > To: , > Message-ID: <000501c900d4$5e2cf080$6801a8c0 at LatitudeD530> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Oh, my. What a shock to return from a weekend away to this > dreadful news. > > As I've been thinking of Uncle Jack this evening I keep recalling > the line > from The Wind in the Willows about there being nothing "half so much > worth > doing as simply messing about in boats." For Jack, it seemed, it > was only a > matter of replacing the "boats" with "cars," and he was indeed a happy > camper. > > The attached photo was taken at Road Atlanta in 2005 shortly after the > Kastner Cup festivities were complete, and several of our beloved > Iowan's > had put together a little presentation for Richard Taylor. I'm not > sure > why Uncle Jack seemed so intent on reading the sheet music, as it > was quite > apparent that he knew all the words by heart. > > > I was born on a farm out in iowa > > A flaming youth I was bound I would fly away > > I packed my grip and I grabbed my saxophone > > Can't read notes, but I play anything by ear > > I made up tunes on the sounds that I used to hear > > When I'd start to play folks to say > > 'sounds a little goofus to me' > > > Sure gonna miss him. > > DT > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan > > >> Friends of Triumphs >> >> Jack was my best friend for about 20 years. >> >> I feel as though I need to let folks know since I have this >> information. >> >> Within the past couple of hours Jack went off of Turn 1 at Grattan. >> >> It is not yet known if there was a mechanical failure, driver >> error, or >> medical condition. >> >> More information will be available later. >> >> Joe & Jan Alexander >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Goofus.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 124648 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://autox.team.net/archive/attachments/20080817/0489903c/attachment.jpg > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > End of Fot Digest, Vol 21, Issue 31 > *********************************** From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Sun Aug 17 23:56:59 2008 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:56:59 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <081820080556.25833.48A90F2B0002BE12000064E922135285730E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> My goodness! Just returned to town and logged on. What a shock to hear that Uncle Jack has passed away. If it wasn't for Uncle Jack and his buddy Joe Alexander, I'd probably still be thinking about getting into vintage racing. They answered my VTR ad about purchasing a Triumph vintage racer in December of 2004. When I was in Chicago on business the following January, I managed to sneak away and drive over to Geneseo to take a look at a red TR4 that Jack and Joe were selling. Uncle Jack and Frances were very gracious to me. After breakfast we went out into the garage and crawled all over #24, but frankly, it was hard not to keep my eyes off of Jack's blue and white TR4. The workmanship was amazing and the Triumph was a winner just sitting there. I knew I was in the presence of someone who was a professional in this field. It was a no brainer for me. I bought the car and left Uncle Jack with a lengthy laundry list of "enhancements" suggested by him. Uncle Jack was very fair in his prices, the quality of his work was outstanding and he delivered on time. I can't remember how many times he answered my calls and responded to my e-mails, but it was a bunch. I echo all the sentiments I've read tonight, Uncle Jack was a great mentor, racer, family man and an icon in FoT. My condolences to Frances and Tony, Joe and Jan and all the folks who knew "Uncle Jack" far longer than I have. John James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 06:04:47 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:04:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan References: <000401c90008$68a93869$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> <48A7800B.2020901@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006f01c9012a$9c7669b0$0300a8c0@Desktop> Hugh wrote this and it some up how I feel Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Barber" Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan The internet is a strange thing. You can have friends who you've never met, and the loss of one of them hits you just as hard as if you has met them in person. Godspeed Jack. > Hugh Barber > Stafford, VA From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 06:23:47 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] JACK Message-ID: <452206.46748.qm@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Here is the man that we will all miss. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 413-1378_IMG.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 234278 bytes Desc: 467585339-413-1378_IMG.JPG URL: From deanesr at uncw.edu Mon Aug 18 06:39:14 2008 From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Aftrenoon at Grattan Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF746DC@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu> I am very sorry to here that Jack has pasted away and give my condolences to his family and friends. I never met Jack personally but when I would call him he would always come to the phone to talk to me about my car, he always seemed to share a little time with me. I know that Jack will be missed by a great multitude of people world wide. Was hoping to see him at W.Glen for I have as Jack called it a"clone" of "Old Blue". Rob Deanes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Group44TR7 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 06:50:44 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:50:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Amici Like many of you, my acquaintance with Jack Drew was initiated through Friends of Triumph. Jack and I have had a steady dialog over the years on a variety of non Triumph subjects in which it became clear that the same substantive values for which we respect him in FOT was a characteristic of his overall life. Jack was one of those rare people who one just continually gained more respect as you got to know him better. As big a lost as I feel in my life from his passing, I realize is small compared to that of Frances, Tony, and his family (of which Joe Alexander must certainly qualify as an extended member). Cary **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 18 07:34:27 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack's race In-Reply-To: <602E5FFC-8BB7-4AE1-ABBE-C0ADFAA240C7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <856492.17138.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Francis, Tony, Joe, Jan and all the FOT, Thank you Bill for saying this so well. I have no words right now, but I want all of you close to Jack to know that Jan and I have you in our thoughts and prayers. Many things can and have been said about Jack ... and they are all good. I only hope that we as the FOT will carry the enthusiasm and good will forward with the qualities that Jack shared with us all. Whatever Jan and I can do, please let us know. Bill Babcock wrote: I know everyone is still absorbing this sad news, it's hard to look forward in times like this. This is the second good friend I've lost to vehicle accidents this year. My best friend, Barney Li, died in a motorcycle accident a few months ago. I can tell you that you simply don't know what to feel when something this terrible happens. The stunned part lasts a long time, and you might wonder if you have real feelings at all. Life just seems to go on, and you look to other things, wondering if you're some kind of unfeeling monster. But the hole in your life is big, and slowly you begin to comprehend the loss. I miss my friend every day, and I'll miss Jack the same way. It took me months to cry after my father died, and weeks after Barney. We'll all cry for Jack in our own time. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 08:45:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:45:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 18 09:03:17 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:03:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for keeping us all informed. I read one link someone posted of anews report. It indicated he did not lift at the end of the straight and probably had suffered a heart attach. I have been thinking about him, racing,life and death. To die while doing the thing you love,to die with your passion, that is something I think we all probably would choose as the way to go. Dying with your family at the side of your bed after an illness, as my father did, provided comfort to those of us who are there, but is not how he would have chosen to go. So,at the start of each race and practice day, I intend to say goodbye and be at peace with all who are about me,and someday, I too,might die with my boots on. I hope this post has not been offensive to anyone,it certainly is not meant to be. Chuck 2008/8/18 > FOT, > > Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. > > Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. > Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and > responsible for much of who Jack was. > > Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday > or Thursday. We expect to hear something today > > In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life > & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH > PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am > hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans > to be at The Glen. > > The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first > recipient of the Cup. > > Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. > > Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our > 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, > and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his > mentoring. I owe him much. > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 09:14:02 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:14:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0808180803g3307a000u1ba8e8e54ee6b472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chuck, I suspect that like myself, many others were also thinking along the same lines. You were just the first to say it. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:03 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; Friends Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Thanks for keeping us all informed. I read one link someone posted of anews report. It indicated he did not lift at the end of the straight and probably had suffered a heart attach. I have been thinking about him, racing,life and death. To die while doing the thing you love,to die with your passion, that is something I think we all probably would choose as the way to go. Dying with your family at the side of your bed after an illness, as my father did, provided comfort to those of us who are there, but is not how he would have chosen to go. So,at the start of each race and practice day, I intend to say goodbye and be at peace with all who are about me,and someday, I too,might die with my boots on. I hope this post has not been offensive to anyone,it certainly is not meant to be. Chuck 2008/8/18 FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 18 10:30:18 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:30:18 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [Vintage-race] Jack's funeral] Message-ID: <48A9A39A.10404@bradakis.com> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Vintage-race] Jack's funeral Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:25:22 -0500 From: Wm. Severin Thompson To: , I spoke with Frances this AM. She's doing as well as someone can during this difficult time. She thanked everyone for their kind words. Services will be on Thursday, 10:30 AM at http://www.geneseolutheranchurch.com/ That's Concordia Lutheran in Geneseo, IL. There will be visitation on late Wed. afternoon, but I don't have details on that yet. WST From doddk at mossmotors.com Mon Aug 18 11:10:29 2008 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:10:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0E7202EA@kb1.mossmotors.com> Jack and Joe met up with me the first time I got a chance to attend the Mitty. They took a shy gearhead and made him feel welcome to the Triumph camp. Since then, I've had the honor of being engaged by their new projects and right now I'm seeing Jacks grinning face as he puts forth another cool idea. Keep on tinkering Jack. I feel sure there are milling machines for gearheads in heaven. Kelvin Dodd Global Sourcing Engineer, Moss Motors, Ltd. www.mossmotors.com 440 Rutherford Street Goleta, CA 93117 Phone : 805.679.7023 Fax: 805.692.2520 E-mail: doddk at mossmotors.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 11:12:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:12:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Geneseo, Illinois Concordia Lutheran Church Jack Drews Message-ID: FoT, et. al. Please check the website for current forthcoming details http://www.geneseolutheranchurch.com/ Sevices for Jack are indicated to be at 10:30AM Thursday with a visitation Wednesday. Home address for The Drew's Frances Drews 514 North Vail Street Geneseo, IL 61254 Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From igofaster at charter.net Mon Aug 18 12:10:20 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:10:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> I've dropped off an idea or two at my local vinyl sign shop In Memory of Uncle Jack small window stickers, in white.. I have a vinyl stick on in color of the FoT logo to see if the color version can be applied somehow... don't know if it can be. If interested drop me an email and I will forward what I come up with for free. In Memeory of Uncle Jack #59 TR4 Friends of Triumph email interest or suggestions to me.. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6 igofaster at charter.net From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net Mon Aug 18 12:15:21 2008 From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:15:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Jack Drews Message-ID: <48A9BC39.2010503@cyberspeedway.net> I am so sorry to hear the sad news. My heart goes out to his family. I never met Jack but through this group I felt I knew him and he will be missed. The internet builds bonds with groups like this from people all over the world who never meet face to face but feel a comraderie. I didn't know this until now but I spent the first 29 years of my life 40 miles from Jack. I wish I had met him. Greg Lund From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 12:52:30 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:52:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Thanks for picking this up Bobby. I'm quite sure there will be many of us that will want to display something on our cars in Memory of Uncle Jack. Count me in!! Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua 63 TR 4 # 69 (With lots of work done by and parts from Uncle Jack) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 13:51:28 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:51:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> References: <20080818141020.F4QMY.166786.root@mp19> Message-ID: <4FC493164E604FD7B284DD6EBCC6D828@newcomputer> Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car in a color that fits. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:10 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack I've dropped off an idea or two at my local vinyl sign shop In Memory of Uncle Jack small window stickers, in white.. I have a vinyl stick on in color of the FoT logo to see if the color version can be applied somehow... don't know if it can be. If interested drop me an email and I will forward what I come up with for free. In Memeory of Uncle Jack #59 TR4 Friends of Triumph email interest or suggestions to me.. Bobby Whitehead #53 CVAR Triumph GT6 igofaster at charter.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 18 14:32:58 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:32:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: Thanks guys....the target time frame would be to have them to hand out at Watkins Glen. Joe > Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on > signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. > > If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in > a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car > in a color that fits. > > Joe C. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:03:45 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:03:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 08/16/2008 5:25:46 PM Central Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: > We have lost a treasured friend and great tuner of racing equipment. Jack > had a world of friends who each have a story and thought about this > wonderful fellow. To our friend Jack, lost now but never forgotten, a true > sportsman and grand family man. Let us all hope that his passing now will > allow him to continue racing onwards in another theatre. > Amici... I also was racing my 56 TR3 in that SPRINT RACE at GRATTAN on Saturday afternoon. Uncle Jack had just passed (lapped) me early in Lap Ten. I did not see the accident, but as I approached the flag bridge, I saw them grabbing for flags. As I approached Turn ONE, I saw Jack's gorgeous blue and white TR4 standing straight up in the air, resting on the boot. The crash had just happened. The car had gone over a significant curb, through a gravel trap, and hit an earth berm at full bore. After the initial impact, it must have launched straight up in the air and come back down on its boot. Corner ONE had still not gone YELLOW, but they were reaching for the flags. I made it through ONE and got a RED FLAG from Corner TWO. My wife Shirley was standing with Frances Drews watching the race from the deck above the garages on the front straight. From that distance it is pretty hard to see clearly what happened. But they knew there was a big crash, and they knew it was Jack. I don't care to say much more about the accident, because it was terrible. The wheel base on Jack's car appears to be 10-12" shorter than it used to be. Jack was my dear friend. I hate to say it, but I do not think his serious injuries were the kind no one would want to live through. Kas suggests Jack is now racing in another theater. It's a metaphor, but a great thought I share. Anyone who knew Jack really close, knows he was very, very religious. We all knew him as a TRIUMPH GURU, but Jack was multifaceted. He was the Choir Leader at his church. The VSCDA often has a short, informal non-denominational service on Sunday mornings at race events. Jack Drews always attended those services, and would often lead them. There was one held yesterday at GRATTAN as well. Jack was not able to lead it, but I'll bet he was there in spirit. Many gave their feelings about the tragedy. There was a common thread. Consensus was that Jack had a heart attack, or maybe fainted, doing something he loved to do...he was racing. No need to feel bad for Jack. He is doing just fine! Feel bad for those of us left behind. For Frances, for Tony, his daughters, grandchildren, and the rest of us. It is our great loss. JACK DREWS...First in Class, First Overall, every day, in every way. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 15:09:19 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:09:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: That would be AWESOME!! Please keep me posted. Gary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 15:13:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:13:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383ECFDFCD2B4C698977F352549B27BB@newcomputer> When is Watkins Glen? If we can have the exact wording, size and the number of each colors, I will see what I can do. Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:33 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Uncle Jack Thanks guys....the target time frame would be to have them to hand out at Watkins Glen. Joe Let me know what they say. I will be happy to do any of the vinyl stick-on signs or a Static cling window logo at cost. If we decide on a standard wording in stick-on vinyl, I can run them off in a number of different colors so everybody can have the same thing on his car in a color that fits. 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Drews (September 22, 1936 - August 16, 2008) Sign Guest Book | Send Private Condolences Send Flowers Jack W. Drews, 71, of Geneseo went to be with his Lord on Saturday, August 16, 2008. He left while doing what he loved in Grattan, MI. Funeral services will be held at 10:30 a.m. on Thursday, August 21st at Concordia Lutheran Church, Geneseo. Rev. Daniel Olson will officiate. Burial will be in North Cemetery, Geneseo. Visitation will be from 4 to 7 p.m. on Wednesday at Stackhouse-Moore Funeral Services, 225 East Park St. Geneseo. Memorials may be made to Concordia Lutheran Church or LCMS World Relief. Jack was born September 22, 1936 in Danville, IL the son of Christian and Zora (Quick) Drews. He graduated from the University of Illinois and married Frances Schmidt on June 12, 1960 in Hebron, NE. Jack had worked at Hyster Company and then for John Deere Company before retiring in 1998. Jack was member of Concordia Lutheran Church where he was the choir director and held various other offices. He was also a member of the Geneseo Kiwanis. Jack enjoyed working on and racing vintage sports cars and the friends that he made through his hobby. He also enjoyed taking vacations with his family, singing in barbershop quartets and music. Survivors include his wife, Frances; a son, Tony Drews, Moline, IL; two daughters and a son-in-law, Christine Drews, Raymore, MO, and Lisbeth (Timothy) Schaubroeck, Colorado Springs, CO; four grandchildren, Samantha and Victoria Drews, and Micah and Adam Schaubroeck; and one brother, Phillip Drews, Stewart, GA. He was preceded in death by his parents. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Aug 18 22:04:27 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:04:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan Message-ID: In a message dated 8/16/2008 8:45:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Re: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan I have been away from my computer at an event in WA...I read of Jack's demise in the newspaper this morning. It is so sad, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. Heaven has another bright star today. My sincere condolences Leon F Guyot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 22:24:18 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:24:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> Message-ID: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color lettering that best suits their car's colors. Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat transferred multicolored vinyl.) 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl lettering) 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions on which direction I should go. Regards, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:04:26 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:04:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:25:43 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Gary! Please bear in mind that multiple lines and sizes of letters are no more expensive than a single line. It is just the amount of Vinyl at that point that dictates the cost. So if we want, it is easy to combine some of the suggestions and therefore make the thing more acceptable to everyone. Joe C. _____ From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com [mailto:GSFuqua1 at aol.com] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage.racer at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 23:26:49 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 18 23:34:26 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> References: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> That can be done but it will be much more expensive to produce because of two factors: Artwork is involved A different process has to be used (Heat transfer of colored vinyl onto the white or black substrate) It will also take longer because it is a multiple step process. Since timing is certainly an issue, please take that into consideration. Joe C. _____ From: Gary Horstkorta [mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:27 PM To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Aug 18 23:35:58 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:35:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: Is it possible to use the existing FOT coat of arms with Jack's name and number ? Jim G -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:24 PM To: igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color lettering that best suits their car's colors. Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat transferred multicolored vinyl.) 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl lettering) 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions on which direction I should go. Regards, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... How can we make this happen? Bobby Whitehead ----Original Message----- From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: RE: stickers... Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There are over 30 requests as of this evening. I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) #59 TR 4 (middle) Friends of Triumph (lower portion) BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. Bobby Whitehead #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM From: Joe Curry To: igofaster at charter.net Subject: RE: stickers... Size: 4 KB Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced and sent wherever necessary. What I need is the following: 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) 3. The address of where I need to ship them. If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. Joe _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Aug 18 23:39:08 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:39:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: I am totally open on that. Just want everyone to realize that time is of the essence and simple is usually best. I just need to hear from a few as to what is the favored representation we want and we can go from there. Gary **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I thought of that already but figured that it would be pretty prohibitive in both time and expense to produce something that complex. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Gray [mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:36 PM To: 'Joe Curry' Cc: Friends of triumph Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Is it possible to use the existing FOT coat of arms with Jack's name and number ? Jim G From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 01:44:17 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:44:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews arrangements Message-ID: <20080819064615.F08CF18766F@autox.team.net> As you are probably aware, Jack Drews died Saturday, Aug. 16 while racing his lovely Triumph TR-4 at Grattan, MI. We believe that he blacked out behind the wheel, causing him to drive off the end of the front straight without braking or turning. It appears that he suffered a basal scull fracture in the impact with the embankment. He was doing what he loved, with the people he loved. We will all miss him, but he is in a better place now. We have been overwhelmed by the support both at the track and upon returning home, and are grateful for everyone's thoughts and prayers. We will be having visitation on Wednesday, Aug. 20 from 4:00 pm to 7:00 pm at Stackhouse Moore Funeral Home, 225 E. Park Street, Geneseo, IL 61254. The funeral will be on Thursday, Aug. 21 at 10:30 am and will be followed by a luncheon at Concordia Lutheran Church, 316 S. Oakwood Ave, Geneseo, IL 61254. His obituary is on-line at: http://www.webfh.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=196598&fh_id=10589 (or go to www.stackhousemoore.com and choose the link to Jack Drews on their main page) For those who would like to attend from out of town, Geneseo has two recently built hotels: AmeriHost Inn 309-945-9345 1375 S. Oakwood Ave Geneseo, IL 61254 Rates: 2 queen beds: 77.99 plus tax (86.57), 1 king bed: 66.99 plus tax (74.36) Directions: Coming from the I-80 exit to Geneseo, this is near the interstate behind the "Culvers" on the right hand side of the road. Super 8 Motel 309-945-1898 765 W. Main St. Geneseo, IL 61254 Rates: 2 double beds: 66.99 plus tax, 1 king bed: 62.99 plus tax Directions: Coming from the I-80 exit to Geneseo, turn left at the 2nd light (Main street). The hotel will be on your right near the edge of town. For those unable to attend that would like to honor Jack, donations may be sent to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund, 514 N. Vail, Geneseo, IL 61254. Or, you may make a donation in Jack's honor to the charity of your choice. Thanks, Tony Drews From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 02:10:57 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:10:57 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Singing with Uncle Jack in mind Message-ID: <03b901c901d3$1c6d9280$0201a8c0@Bevan> This forum is not and almost certainly never was brought into being with religion in mind - but perhaps, under the circumstances, we may err slightly towards the issue of Sacred Music with Jack Drews in mind? I had no idea that Jack was also a Choral Director and this is another reason for wishing I had known him because we could have shared a lot outside the arena of Triumphs and racing. It must surely be a coincidence that on 21st August, another funeral will be taking place in England at which I will be present as a member of the choir. All Saints Church in Evesham, England sits on the site of Evesham Abbey - once the third largest Abbey in England until its destruction in 1540, so the land on which the church stands has had a strong Christian tradition for more than 1000 years. Last night, we were practising two anthems for our funeral service and you can hear them both on YouTube. They are well-known, simple, lilting melodies and harmonies and the versions we'll be singing were arranged by one John Rutter The first is called "A Gaelic Blessing" www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VYZKjG_Des&feature=related The second is "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruMP-aTqJSU Jack will be very much in the forefront of my mind on the 21st as All Saints choir performs these anthems Jonmac From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 04:54:57 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:54:57 +0000 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> References: <006c01c901bc$2eb14a20$8c13de60$@racer@comcast.net> <80B147D07C0842C6AB1997C315C9C31F@newcomputer> Message-ID: There is a version of the logo in black and white... Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: spitlist at cox.net To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:34:26 -0700 CC: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews That can be done but it will be much more expensive to produce because of two factors: Artwork is involved A different process has to be used (Heat transfer of colored vinyl onto the white or black substrate) It will also take longer because it is a multiple step process. Since timing is certainly an issue, please take that into consideration. Joe C. From: Gary Horstkorta [mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:27 PM To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:04 PM To: spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I certainly don't want to be presumptuous so if there is someone else that wants to do this be all means just say the word. If there is no objection I would consider it an honor to coordinate this with you Joe. While I won't be at the Glen I am sure we can get what ever is decided on to Joe A. or someone that is. I am sure there will be many, like myself, that will want to have this for our cars give the VAST number of people that Uncle Jack, helped, befriended, etc. First order of business would seem to be to decide what we want to say. I have seen a few so will repeat those but would open things for suggestions as well. I would only comment that we can't get too wordy or detailed as we want this to get done quickly and for a reasonable price. 1. In Memory of Uncle Jack 2. Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack 3. Racing with Uncle Jack 4. In Honor of Uncle Jack 5. Uncle Jack # 59 6. Thanks Uncle Jack 7. Honoring Uncle Jack 8. Remembering Uncle Jack Once this is decided on we can the type. i.e. Vinyl Cut Lettering (my preference) and which colors. We will want to keep this simple. i.e. Only a few basic colors such as white, black, red, blue. Blue or White would seem the most appropriate give they are the colors of Uncle Jack's Car. Once those decisions are made and a price is arrived at I will take orders, compile the list and coordinate deliveries & shipment to those who are going to be at the Glen. As there will be costs involved I would be happy to offer use of my PayPal account to receive & disperse or take checks and use my credit card. OK, the offer is on the table. Cheers & Motor On!! Gary Fuqua Branson, MO It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Aug 18 14:50:21 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:50:21 +1100 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a real accomplishment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real > problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. > > I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is > to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I > can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color > lettering that best suits their car's colors. > Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few > blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. > > Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: > > 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat > transferred multicolored vinyl.) > > 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl > lettering) > > 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. > > > Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions > on which direction I should go. > > Regards, > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, > I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most > important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and > sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack > Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... > How can we make this happen? > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM > To: Joe Curry > Subject: RE: stickers... > > Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the > project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm > going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. > It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never > met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened > the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There > are over 30 requests as of this evening. > I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. > I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? > It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? > > If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base > > of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. > > > In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) > > #59 TR 4 (middle) > > Friends of Triumph (lower portion) > > BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has > some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM > From: Joe Curry > To: igofaster at charter.net > Subject: RE: stickers... > Size: 4 KB > > Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced > > and sent wherever necessary. > > What I need is the following: > > 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. > 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut > vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) > 3. The address of where I need to ship them. > > If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time > to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional > ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I > can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be > responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. > > > Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. > > Joe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From macdonaldp at rogers.com Tue Aug 19 06:22:15 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:22:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire Message-ID: Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here is a significant car for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 Paul -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1528 bytes Desc: not available URL: From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 19 06:48:32 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:48:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <20080818234043.18NKC.431462.root@mp18> <7B4F43632D9B46C4AE3FBEDD69F965D0@newcomputer> <002b01c90174$08c59390$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: I don't know if anyone has suggested this or not but what about using Jack's number 59 logo, the 59 surrounded by his rounded box, with lettering above saying "In memory of Uncle Jack" and underneath saying "Forever a Friend of Triumphs"? Bob Kramer -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:50 PM To: Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a real accomplishment. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > There is no problem doing these things in time for the Glen. The real > problem is getting a consensus on what sort of item that we want. > > I maintain that the easiest and cheapest (also possibly the best looking) is > to do a cut vinyl application of just lettering that says what we want. I > can do it in several different colors so that people can choose the color > lettering that best suits their car's colors. > Perhaps the most used ones will be black and white. But possible a few > blue, red and perhaps other colors as well. > > Before I can get this started, we need a formal decision on the following: > > 1. What sort of product (cut vinyl lettering or a smaller decal using heat > transferred multicolored vinyl.) > > 2. How many do we need (and how many of each color for the cut vinyl > lettering) > > 3. Who do I send them to for distribution. > > > Please, someone take a leadership role in this to come to some conclusions > on which direction I should go. > > Regards, > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > FoT... I obviously opened a can of worms, probably over my head. That said, > I'm turning over the internal emails between Joe Curry and myself. Most > important it seems right now is timing to get these done for The Glen, and > sadly I will not be there this year. So my little idea to honor Uncle Jack > Drews blossomed in less than 24 hours... > How can we make this happen? > > Bobby Whitehead > > > > ----Original Message----- > From: igofaster at charter.net [igofaster at charter.net] > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM > To: Joe Curry > Subject: RE: stickers... > > Joe, as you have already done the stickers for FoT I want you to do the > project. With both type of media you have access to (color/b&w etc) I'm > going to pass the project on to you if you're interested. > It was my personal thought to honor Uncle Jack for myself, a man I never > met. Personally, I've mourned for two days since I heard the news. I opened > the channell for the idea, thinking 5-10 people might want a sticker. There > are over 30 requests as of this evening. > I think The Glen and the KAS event should be in honor of Jack Drews. > I'll pay for the first 50 stickers out of honor and respect. Wanna do it? > It's two weeks to the Glen... would that be an obtainable goal? > > If I could design the way I dreamed it, it would be the FoT logo as the base > > of the memoral, maybe these words circling the logo. > > > In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews (outter circle, or portion) > > #59 TR 4 (middle) > > Friends of Triumph (lower portion) > > BTW... I have no access to the equipment other than my lady friend who has > some of the basic vinyl cutting sign equipment and software. > > Bobby Whitehead > #53 Yellow CVAR GT6+ > > > Date: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:12 PM > From: Joe Curry > To: igofaster at charter.net > Subject: RE: stickers... > Size: 4 KB > > Tell you what, if you get all the details together I will have them produced > > and sent wherever necessary. > > What I need is the following: > > 1. The exact size, wording, fonts etc. > 2. The quantity of each color desired (if we are only going to do the cut > vinyl application rather than the multi color heat transfer decals.) > 3. The address of where I need to ship them. > > If you do the legwork on this I will see that they get shipped out in time > to be distributed at the Glen. I will also produce sufficient additional > ones to distribute to people who are not going to make it to that event. I > can ship them to you, Joe Alexander or anybody else who wants to be > responsible for distributing them to anyone else wanting to adorn their car. > > > Let me know what you think and I'll get on it tomorrow. > > Joe > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 06:58:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:58:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Thanks for doing this.... Two versions alternating black and white to serve contrasting colored cars seems right. 100-150 pieces may be more correct. I will take care of the costs. Joe A > I suggest that you do the easiest method available to you and that they all > be the same (black and white). Based on the roster of racers from Joe it > would seem that a run of fifty would be more than sufficient. Again it is > the message that matters and achievement of this terrific idea would be a > real accomplishment. > Steve P. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 07:07:43 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:07:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? > diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the > number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before > and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Aug 19 07:44:27 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire Message-ID: Paul If there is anyone at this moment of time that would like us to continue our dialog about cars and racing, it would have been Jack. This is at least the second time that this racecar has been offered for sale on ebay. It is a Group 44 constructed racecar, it is not one of the team's race cars. The price has dropped considerably from when it was offered previously. If the car has been truly restored back to the original Group 44 specifications, it is worth the asking price. However, most of these cars have significant race modifications which replace the original parts and since this is a 1974, its not clear that vintage groups would accept it despite its pedigree. Since some of the original parts were specially constructed by Group 44, its difficult to replace them. These are relatively rare cars. In talking with Lanky, the team made one of these car about every year. Cary In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:22:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, macdonaldp at rogers.com writes: Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here is a significant car for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 Paul _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Tue Aug 19 07:52:23 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:52:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Group 44 Spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4362ae390808190652k1c3353f7re7ba03239cdee7e9@mail.gmail.com> http://race-cars.com/carsales/triumph/1187755735/1187755735ss.htm A. 2008/8/19 > Paul > > If there is anyone at this moment of time that would like us to > continue our dialog about cars and racing, it would have been Jack. > > This is at least the second time that this racecar has been offered > for sale on ebay. It is a Group 44 constructed racecar, it is not one of the > team's race cars. The price has dropped considerably from when it was > offered previously. > > If the car has been *truly* restored back to the original Group 44 > specifications, it is worth the asking price. However, most of these > cars have significant race modifications which replace the original > parts and since this is a 1974, its not clear that vintage groups would > accept it despite its pedigree. Since some of the original parts were > specially constructed by Group 44, its difficult to replace them. > > These are relatively rare cars. In talking with Lanky, the team > made one of these car about every year. > > Cary > > > > In a message dated 8/19/2008 5:22:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > macdonaldp at rogers.com writes: > > Perhaps a bit of "feeling like a monster", timing is not the best, but here > is a significant car for sale. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB > %3ASS%3AUS%3A1123&viewitem=&item=290254112229 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > > ------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where *you* want to go. Find your travel deal * > here* . > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Aug 19 09:44:59 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have smiled... For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this fraternity of misfits. I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us their cars, they introduced us to the scene. In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. (Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. That made me feel good. As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New Blue. Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an engine that ran right, all the time. The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, actually. When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my car! Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me on my way. As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual occurrence at the Drews house. Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I did. I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to all Triumph racers who knew him. He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever could. I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to make that place better than it already was... From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 10:08:52 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:08:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Check out Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing - MLive.co In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EAC7959-CBBD-4570-837F-287744E6BCE9@bnj.com> Nice article. I didn't think of Jack's recent surgery when I heard about the accident, I always saw Jack as being so healthy, I doubted the blackout theory, but now I'm not so sure. I remember he was a bit nervous about the surgery when I talked with him about the engine he was building for me. I like the last line of the article--" he was a very down to earth person." That's probably ultimate praise in the midwest I remember driving into Geneseo and thinking the town could be a movie set for 1950's small town america. When I pulled up with Nero in tow, Jack was sitting in his porch swing, enjoying a cigar. Later at a track somewhere I gave him one of the pre-embargo cuban cigars I hoard and it seemed he didn't know whether to smoke it or mount it on a wall. I know Jack was a sophisticated guy who had been around. He chose to live in a small town where kids can ride their bikes to the park. He chose to have a "full cleveland" leisure suit in his closet-- tanned rested and ready for the Columbia River Classic vintage party. He chose to be a "very down to earth" person. Nice guy. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:31 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > Click here: Racing community mourns loss of Jack Drews - Auto Racing > - MLive.com > > Amici... > > There is a very nice article concerning Jack Drews' passing in this > morning's Grand Rapids newspaper. As you can imagine reference to > the tragic accident was sketchy on Sunday due to scant details. But > they are blessed with a serious motorsports reporter in Grand > Rapids, and he stayed on the story until he could get details. Good > for him. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 10:23:41 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 10:25:23 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:25:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Shirts (T-shirts only) honoring Jack Drews In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01c90218$2f290d60$8d7b2820$@racer@comcast.net> Joe/Ted: Great idea and an appropriate way to honor Uncle Jack. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:21 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Shirts (T-shirts only) honoring Jack Drews List, Ted Schumacher called a few minutes ago with a proposal to further honor Jack Drews, using the Watkins Glen T-shirts, currently in process. On the sleeve will be a Triumph Emblem with Jack's name and M/Y of birth and death. Simple and Elegant and Appropriate. I told him to go ahead with this. If anyone would like to order shirts that has not, this is the time to do it. You have 24 hours until it is released to production. If you have ordered shirts and would like to add to your order, this is also the time. Dont hesitate. Deadline: Noon 20 August 08 Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net Thank you Ted....... Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be happy to contribute to the cost of production. Gary From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:24 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 10:44:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:44:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews ------Decal Acquisition Message-ID: FOT Thanks for initiating this Bobby Whitehead. Thanks to Joe Curry for following through. And all else for inputs............. Sounds like we will have them at Watkins Glen. Contributions of any sort welcome to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund at the Glen. Outside of that, please send Snail Mail with your request and any voluntary contribution to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund. The cost of production is already covered...... I cant deal with this on email as I am backed up by over 400 emails. I may not get these out for a few weeks after I get them, as I am seriously booked up in time. (No complaint here, just a fact) Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 > Joe: > > Excellent, put me down for two please. I?ll be happy to contribute to the > cost of production. > > Gary > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 12:26:06 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:26:06 -0600 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.loca l> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <20080819172805.7A4CF18763D@autox.team.net> Henry, I had hoped you'd do us proud at Grattan. Good job. Nice writeup, too! - Tony At 09:44 AM 8/19/2008, you wrote: >I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you >think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. >On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though >my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but >was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by >less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the >two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have >smiled... > >For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this >fraternity of misfits. > >I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at >the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race >car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were >running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't >know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife >Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is >far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real >feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us >their cars, they introduced us to the scene. > >In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue >what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. >(Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had >tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, >took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. >That made me feel good. > >As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful >ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set >out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to >build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a >breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America >in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New >Blue. > >Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs >something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare >gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had >it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me >the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I >was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to >drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. > >And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for >wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New >Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an >engine that ran right, all the time. > >The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets >showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was >sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told >Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of >course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, >actually. > >When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event >was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time >in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to >reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on >it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my >car! > >Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond >picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in >with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop >we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to >Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews >hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me >back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and >I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this >hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of >the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a >good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me >on my way. > >As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual >occurrence at the Drews house. > >Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop >and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. >Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, >and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were >wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He >always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I >did. > >I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up >the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". > >Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to >all Triumph racers who knew him. > >He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever >could. > >I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to >make that place better than it already was... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 11:50:12 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:50:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> References: <57F63032461C47DFBE88E08F40DA9F5F@newcomputer> <001a01c90218$9e231620$da694260$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'll take ten and kick in $200. I suggest that any surplus go to the Jack Drews Menorial Fund. On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Gary Horstkorta wrote: > Joe: > > Excellent, put me down for two please. I?ll be happy to contribute > to the cost of production. > > Gary > > From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:24 AM > To: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net > ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you > think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. > > I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4? in > diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of > two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto > the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3?. I > could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won?t > be as prominent. > I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white > decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any > color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to > the car?s paint. > The decal will have Jack?s 59 in the middle (in the same font he > used on his car) with the ?In Memory of Uncle Jack? all in black > lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. > The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I > can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them > by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. > > So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to > meet the deadline. > > Thanks, > Joe C. > > > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net > ; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill > Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. > > Joe A > > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white > circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory > of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve > seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse > color scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Tue Aug 19 12:56:50 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:56:50 -0600 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Joe, You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of Progressive Signs, in Denver, Colorado. 303.427.6405 . I've had him do a couple these things for me, as well as some Historic Group stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye sublimation printer. He can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is not a bullet proof image, but after some years in the sun, they still look all most new. It opens up your possibilities, there are no added costs for added colours, short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and cost is reasonable. Bill On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" writes: OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4? in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3?. I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won?t be as prominent. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car?s paint. The decal will have Jack?s 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the ?In Memory of Uncle Jack? all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3? diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with ?In Memory of? above the number and ?Uncle Jack? below in blue letters. I?ve seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 ____________________________________________________________ Click to consolidate debt and lower month expenses. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2bkbsyBwsIybZaUxztjq7fKNGSk2aKkmcHSRNS46uUgRVQ/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 13:03:52 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:03:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080819.125652.3116.3.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <61C8A08A0F6747F8964C4373775F3CAF@newcomputer> Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but I am already moving ahead with the project. Joe _____ From: William G Rosenbach [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 AM To: spitlist at cox.net Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net; fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Joe, You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of Progressive Signs, in Denver, Colorado. 303.427.6405 . I've had him do a couple these things for me, as well as some Historic Group stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye sublimation printer. He can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is not a bullet proof image, but after some years in the sun, they still look all most new. It opens up your possibilities, there are no added costs for added colours, short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and cost is reasonable. Bill On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" writes: OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. See what you think and let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that is 3-3/4" in diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger size because of two factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the decals onto the available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it were 3". I could do more on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording won't be as prominent. 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I do a black on white decal with a heavy black circle on the outside border. That way any color car will be able to use it and not have the decal blend in to the car's paint. 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in the same font he used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" all in black lettering around the perimeter just inside the black outline. 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 bucks. I think I can have them finished by the end of this month so I can ship them by Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day air. So I await feedback. I need to get this into work today in order to meet the deadline. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; spitlist at cox.net; igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Gary H I like the sound of this and it is consistent with one that Bill Dentinger did in honor of Mike Belfer. Joe A Gary: As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about a sold white circle (3" diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In Memory of" above the number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've seen a similar decal before and it looks very nice. The reverse color scheme for white cars. Gary 1962 TR4 ____________________________________________________________ Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast and effective programs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr5racer at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 13:12:51 2008 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:12:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fot] In memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: <244681.15339.qm@web87110.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Our thoughts and condolences go out to Frances and Tony and all of Jack's family at this sad time. From all the Brits that raced at Mid Ohio 2002. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Tue Aug 19 13:25:54 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:25:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews In-Reply-To: <420240.66648.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <61C8A08A0F6747F8964C4373775F3CAF@newcomputer> <420240.66648.qm@web83106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <183CDB56199D4528BBE1668B83C6CE53@newcomputer> Please do not send any orders or money to me. I am still working on distribution details. It appears that there are a number of folds who want them and are not going to be at the Glen event. I will make a formal announcement as soon as the details are worked out. Thanks, Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Mitchell [mailto:dmitchel at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 12:17 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Joe, I'll take two of the stickers. I have your home address, and will send you a couple of bucks in the next few days. Doug Doug Mitchell 1145 Lakeside Dr. Howell, MI 48843-1329 --- Joe Curry wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Bill, but I am already > moving ahead with the > project. > > > > Joe > > > > _____ > > From: William G Rosenbach > [mailto:wgrosenbach at juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:57 AM > To: spitlist at cox.net > Cc: N197TR4 at cs.com; vintage.racer at comcast.net; > GSFuqua1 at aol.com; > igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net; > fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > > > Joe, > > You may want to talk with Rock Speicher, of > Progressive Signs, in Denver, > Colorado. 303.427.6405 . > > I've had him do a couple these things for me, as > well as some Historic Group > stickers. He prints on a nice material using a dye > sublimation printer. He > can even work from a JPEG image, if necessary. It is > not a bullet proof > image, but after some years in the sun, they still > look all most new. It > opens up your possibilities, there are no added > costs for added colours, > short runs OK, intricate cut outs can be done, and > cost is reasonable. > > Bill > > > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:23:41 -0700 "Joe Curry" > writes: > > OK, guys, Here is what I think is the best thing. > See what you think and > let me know if there is anyone who disagrees. > > > > 1. I am going to do a round decal (sticky back) that > is 3-3/4" in > diameter. I have decided on this slightly larger > size because of two > factors. It will be more visible and I can fit the > decals onto the > available vinyl sheet with less waste than if it > were 3". I could do more > on a sheet at 2-3/4 but I fear that the wording > won't be as prominent. > 2. I have decided that one run is all we need if I > do a black on white > decal with a heavy black circle on the outside > border. That way any color > car will be able to use it and not have the decal > blend in to the car's > paint. > 3. The decal will have Jack's 59 in the middle (in > the same font he > used on his car) with the "In Memory of Uncle Jack" > all in black lettering > around the perimeter just inside the black outline. > 4. The total cost of production of 250 decals is 200 > bucks. I think I > can have them finished by the end of this month so I > can ship them by > Priority mail and save a few bucks over next day > air. > > > > So I await feedback. I need to get this into work > today in order to meet > the deadline. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe C. > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:08 AM > To: vintage.racer at comcast.net; GSFuqua1 at aol.com; > spitlist at cox.net; > igofaster at charter.net; fot at autox.team.net > Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews > > > > Gary H > > I like the sound of this and it is consistent with > one that Bill Dentinger > did in honor of Mike Belfer. > > Joe A > > > > Gary: > > As a suggestion for an alternative design, how about > a sold white circle (3" > diameter ?) with a blue 59 in the middle with "In > Memory of" above the > number and "Uncle Jack" below in blue letters. I've > seen a similar decal > before and it looks very nice. The reverse color > scheme for white cars. > > Gary > 1962 TR4 > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Fix your credit report today. Click here for fast > and effective programs. > Cys6I0sB1XVIhc930oxEMBt/> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 17:23:25 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:23:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (Drews) Thursday Invitation, Thanks to all Message-ID: <20080819232307.88F80187877@autox.team.net> For any of you planning to attend Jack's funeral on Thursday, there will be a luncheon at the church after the funeral, and you are welcome to stop by our house in Geneseo after the luncheon to celebrate Jack's life and times. We even washed the garage floor so we'd have more places to stand around and tell tall tales. 514 N. Vail, Geneseo, IL 61254. Thanks for all of the messages of sympathy and offers to help! There's so many that I can't always reply individually. We do read and appreciate each one, though. As we're sorting through affairs after this week, we may be leaning on folks for help in getting top dollar out of some of Jack's Triumph stuff (like his street TR-6). The tribute stuff is touching too. I'll definitely be sporting one of the decals when they become available. Thanks, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 17:03:00 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 18:28:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:28:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Sometime about 1989, I went to one of those boring useless meetings we were having at John Deere those days. Jack got up with his portion of the presentation. I had never met him before and he introduced himself. Jack said that his occupation was not at really at John Deere. He said, "I AM A RACE CAR DRIVER". 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URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 18:54:57 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: #3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". 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Lots of bad things happened in that race, and it was probably the reason that VSCDA stopped going to Indianapolis Raceway Park. I came in after the red flag, Jack was already in the paddock. Before I had even gotten out of the car, and with tears in his eyes, he hugged me and told me that he thought it had been me that had rolled over. Another favorite memory also at IRP. My first race there was in 1999, my 3rd race ever. Jack told me that in a TR4, you could go through corner 1 flat out in 4th. I worked my way up to it, and of course he was right. Passed several guys going into 1 thanks to that tip. He never told me that I could do that in corner 2 as well. He saved that one for Tony. :-) Jack built an engine for my car, and when it was ready, I came out for the weekend so we could put it in the car and I could take the car home. We got everything installed, and the engine wouldn't turn at all. After much discussion, it was determined that the new flywheel bolts were too long. I went home that Sunday evening without my car. The next morning, around 11:00 AM, Jack called me. He said "listen to this" and my new engine roared to life. By 11:00, he had pulled the tranny, removed the flywheel, shortened the bolts, re-installed the tranny, and had it running. You guys that only met him on the phone or via email and thought he was special, you were right. The luckiest of all were the ones that got to be with him. Irv Korey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Tue Aug 19 19:12:00 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:12:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: <082020080104.14623.48AB6DB8000217FC0000391F2200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <007201c90261$c04f5e40$0302a8c0@Bud> Man!...he must have been one heck of a Guy...The email stuff is Incredible... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com #2. I was standing outside the fenceline at IRP facing the RH carousel that goes to LH turn onto the main straight. A red Turner stepped sidways, caught the sidewalls, and rolled, ending up in the infield grass The next car through was Uncle and he pulled immediately off of the track and went to the aid of the driver. I caught him in the pits, getting out of his car. He put his arms on my shoulders and lost it. He said, "I thought it was Irv". Yeah, I remember that one as well. Lots of bad things happened in that race, and it was probably the reason that VSCDA stopped going to Indianapolis Raceway Park. I came in after the red flag, Jack was already in the paddock. Before I had even gotten out of the car, and with tears in his eyes, he hugged me and told me that he thought it had been me that had rolled over. Another favorite memory also at IRP. My first race there was in 1999, my 3rd race ever. Jack told me that in a TR4, you could go through corner 1 flat out in 4th. I worked my way up to it, and of course he was right. Passed several guys going into 1 thanks to that tip. He never told me that I could do that in corner 2 as well. He saved that one for Tony. :-) Jack built an engine for my car, and when it was ready, I came out for the weekend so we could put it in the car and I could take the car home. We got everything installed, and the engine wouldn't turn at all. After much discussion, it was determined that the new flywheel bolts were too long. I went home that Sunday evening without my car. The next morning, around 11:00 AM, Jack called me. He said "listen to this" and my new engine roared to life. By 11:00, he had pulled the tranny, removed the flywheel, shortened the bolts, re-installed the tranny, and had it running. You guys that only met him on the phone or via email and thought he was special, you were right. The luckiest of all were the ones that got to be with him. Irv Korey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 19 19:38:21 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <007201c90261$c04f5e40$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <773410.14433.qm@web57605.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Bud: Anyone who ever meet Uncle Jack could not help but be impressed with the man.? I feel fortunate to have known Uncle Jack and while my heart is heavy with the loss of my friend, my soul realizes that the light that is Uncle Jack has joined the Heavens to light my path and provide me guidance. To pick just one memory of Uncle Jack is impossible.? In general, just the way Uncle Jack would take the time to talk with people, the patience he would show with people, particularly when explaining technical things to someone who was well below his level of knowledge.? Still there was that time at IRP with Irv, Uncle Jack, myself and a Chevy pickup in the rain. Ernie Husmann --- On Tue, 8/19/08, RACER BUD wrote: From: RACER BUD Man!...he must have been one heck of a Guy...The email stuff is Incredible... Racer Bud Spitfire #21 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Aug 19 19:43:28 2008 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:43:28 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am happy to have been the benefactor of an unconditional night in Geneseo. Racing a Triumph was not a requirement to be welcomed by Jack and Frances. I will always remember the tour of Jack's garage in the morning and realizing how technologically behind I was. My desert dwelling kids got their first run through a real corn field across the street from the Drew's home. Jack, and Joe's, willingness to let an unknown guy invade the privacy of their homes, made my dream of returning and running at Road America a reality in 2005. Jack's enthusiasm and generosity have been an inspiration to me. I hope to some day be half the man and driver he was..........................Henry Morrison From: N197TR4 at cs.comDate: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:54:57 -0400To: tony at tonydrews.com; fot at autox.team.netSubject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack...#3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". 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Joe & Jan Alexander > I am happy to have been the benefactor of an unconditional night in > Geneseo. Racing a Triumph was not a requirement to be welcomed by Jack and Frances. > I will always remember the tour of Jack's garage in the morning and > realizing how technologically behind I was. My desert dwelling kids got their first > run through a real corn field across the street from the Drew's home. Jack, > and Joe's, willingness to let an unknown guy invade the privacy of their > homes, made my dream of returning and running at Road America a reality in 2005. > Jack's enthusiasm and generosity have been an inspiration to me. I hope to > some day be half the man and driver he was..........................Henry > Morrison > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 19 20:12:39 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:12:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Message-ID: Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the porch with a fine cigar. This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the house...... So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt Scotch. Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for this..... JA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 20:27:59 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:27:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 356drb at indy.net Tue Aug 19 20:33:12 2008 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:33:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> References: <20080820022756.1EE22187683@autox.team.net> Message-ID: On that topic, I'll opine -- Lagavulin Brett On Aug 19, 2008, at 10:27 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > We enjoyed a glass (or two) of single malt scotch and a couple of > La Gloria Cubana cigars on Friday night. We had a nice evening, > discussing the upcoming weekend and Watkins Glen. I'm sure that my > mom wasn't fond of me re-introducing him to those vices, but I got > a vicarious thrill out of it. > > I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins > Glen. > > - Tony > > At 09:12 PM 8/19/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >> Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting >> on the porch with a fine cigar. >> >> This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the >> house...... >> >> So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single >> Malt Scotch. >> >> Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on >> Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a >> project manager for this..... >> >> JA > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmurph at fastbytes.com Tue Aug 19 20:56:02 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:56:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: Message-ID: <006201c90270$492712e0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> We're just getting started so were only at a couple of races with Jack. Last year at the MOTRAH race at Elkhart Lake we were fortunate to be paddocked next to Jack and Tony. I think it was Friday afternoon and I asked Tony where Jack was. I had another of my inumerable questions. Tony said, "Oh, he broke his diff and went back home to get his spare axle." Sure enough, we get to the track next morning and there's Jack just finishing up installing the new axle. Ryan and I were in awe. Talk about doin' whatever it takes to get the job done! My brother was crewing for Ryan at the Elkhart Lake Vintage Festival last year when I was laid up with some medical problems. I asked him this week if he had met Jack Drews there. "Sure", he said. "When Ryan wanted to take me around the track during the touring session, it was Jack who rounded up a helmet for me so I could go." How typical of Uncle Jack. My brother still talks about his rides around Elkhart Lake. When we were building the car I asked Jack, via e-mail as usual, which type of gauges were better, mechanical or electrical. He said it was pretty much a matter of preference, some favored mechanical as more reliable but he thought the electrical ones were just as reliable. I asked what he used and he said mechanical because the electrical ones were an awful lot of wires. Well, being an electrical engineer I thought, what the heck, I can do that. Well, I did it, but, like Jack said, there are an awful lot of wires!!! Seems like it took me weeks to make up the wires and get everything wired in. When I got done, I really understood what he meant. It if wasn't for all of Jack's help, we wouldn't have near the car we have now nor would it run near as good. Not only that, but we'd probably still be fixing and sorting out all the things that we wouldn't have done right the first time if not for his advice. He was our "chief mechanic" in absentia!! Plus, we've got all the good stuff, thanks to Uncle Jack, like the Southwick axle and front hubs, the front axles that don't flex and that gorgeous lightweight steel flywheel that was almost too pretty to put in the car, etc. Tim Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:54 PM Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... #3 My engine was down on power after two seasons on those rings and I discovered this in my lap times at the Chicago Historics. For the feature Jack said, "what the heck, let's put on a show". We passed and re-passed about three times a lap, and each time at Turn Five. The spectators on the bleachers started standing and cheering, we heard later. On the last lap, at the last turn, I was ahead and did not want to be first at the chequered flag. I waved him up, but he did not respond. So I came off of the gas and then onto the brakes. So did Jack. Tony was watching. and said, "that was first time he ever saw two cars cross the finish line with their noses in the 'down' attitude and brakes lights on". (I am sure it was a point of discussion in the tower, too) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Aug 19 21:30:39 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:30:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C32@server.Triumph.local> I've already mentioned a couple of my treasured memories, but this needs to be said. Nobody in the Triumph racing community has done more for the safety of his fellow racers than Jack Drews. While there are many people out there that have developed safety enhancements for their own car, I know of no one who has championed the cause of making good racing upgrades available to the masses at near cost like Jack did. I will not list what he has accomplished here for the fear of leaving something out. Our sport suffered a tremendous loss, but nowhere near the loss the Drews family and the world has suffered. I'm really going to miss you, Jack... From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 19 21:32:23 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:32:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing it after roughly 20 years. Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of you for, well, being each and every one of you. I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to settle for a T shirt and a sticker. mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 19 21:44:34 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:44:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> References: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <20080820034433.0E872187666@autox.team.net> Mark, without your electronic wizardry, there would be no "friends of triumph". I enjoyed our time together at Hallett. We will toast you and the electrons you push at the Glen. Toast us back, please. - Tony At 10:32 PM 8/19/2008, Mark J Bradakis wrote: >Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a >cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley >now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. >Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. >Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing >it after roughly 20 years. > >Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark >cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in >memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide >such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires >makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of >you for, well, being each and every one of you. > >I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a >glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to >settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > >mjb. > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 19 22:53:10 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:53:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> References: <48AB9047.5050400@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I'd spend some time with your list but I'm much more fond of drinking scotch than talking about it. On Aug 19, 2008, at 8:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a > cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the > barley > now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. > Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the > years. > Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing > it after roughly 20 years. > > Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark > cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in > memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide > such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires > makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of > you for, well, being each and every one of you. > > I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a > glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to > settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:24:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:24:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808192224w4e2c76e9tb2a6e1318214b46b@mail.gmail.com> Cannot think of a finer manager than Babcock of such vices. I'll bring a good bottle. 2008/8/19 > Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the > porch with a fine cigar. > > This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the > house...... > > So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt > Scotch. > > Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday > Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for > this..... > > JA > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 23:37:53 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:37:53 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices.. Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808192237p55661224obcd4705fd664d4e2@mail.gmail.com> aH MARK, i BET YOU GET A FEW ORE HITS ON THAT LIST NOW! CHUCK On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Due to various issues with my respiratory system I haven't had a > cigar for many years. I do, though, partake of a wee dram of the barley > now and again, even set up single-malt at autox.team.net a while back. > Not a very popular list, a scant handful of messages through the years. > Makes me wonder why I bother with the effort, and still keep doing > it after roughly 20 years. > > Optimistic folks try to find some sort of silver lining in every dark > cloud that comes along. The flood of email being passed along in > memory of Uncle Jack is why I do what I do. Being able to provide > such a close knit community of far flung friends over the wires > makes it all worthwhile. I want to thank each and every one of > you for, well, being each and every one of you. > > I wish I could make it to the Glen next month, I'd certainly tip a > glass, maybe even try a puff or two in memory. Guess I'll have to > settle for a T shirt and a sticker. > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithfiles at btinternet.com Tue Aug 19 23:45:20 2008 From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:45:20 +0100 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48A23A1E015996A3@> (added by postmaster@mail.o2.co.uk) Hi Tony, Here is my favourite story; not really racing related but is worthy of recording. In 2007 Jon Wood and I were staying with Jack and Francis for a short period fitting a new engine and suspension to my TR4 when Jack casually mentions that he has something that he would like to show us; he said nothing more than that. Later that day he followed up his earlier comment by asking us to jump into his car as there was a trip arranged!!! Both Jon and I got in the car and he drove us a few short miles to a line of storage units in deepest Geneseo; when we arrived he simply said 'There you are; just look at that'. Now looking at a row of lock-ups is nice but not that nice.... To my surprise one of the lock-ups opened up and out came 2 of the oddest people you could meet; one gruff and short on words and the other short and very long on words. We were taken into this rabbit warren of inter-connected lock-ups where we were met with a vision that you could never have expected in a million years; row after row of vintage Packards in various stages of restoration. There was also a hidden museum that contained the best of the best restorations and the collection included a Cadillac V16 from the 1930's' what an impressive beast that was. After much banter and coffee, the owner says to the gruff one 'go get the maroon car'. The maroon car was a Packard V12. All three of us were taken for a chauffeur driven ride in the V12 around Geneseo with all 3 of us grinning like Cheshire Cats; this was the icing on the cake and Jack was in his element. Jack knew so many people, had so many friends and connections that you never knew what was going to happen next; this was a major treat for us and a memory of Jack that will stay with me forever. Cheers, Keith. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: 20 August 2008 00:03 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Aug 20 06:32:22 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:32:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> References: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74D5C3F0@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> My favorite memory of Jack is a simple one - just his smile at the end of the day on Saturdays in the paddock, sitting around that little plastic picnic table with a good glass of scotch and his family around and a nice race car to look at. If there's a definition of happiness in a mental snapshot, that's mine. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tony Drews Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 6:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 20 07:39:27 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <639574.27878.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been lucky these last few years to have spent some time working with Jack in his garage. My cold winter drives to Geneseo would always be rewarded with the best shop talk and Triumph stories. For some reason Jack agreed to let me work with him in building my first tractor motor - I think that he could tell that I really wanted to know how it was done. Eventually he even taught me how to port a head. Garage time with Jack is truly my favorite memory. I'll really miss knowing that he is out there. Dennis Tony Drews wrote: One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. I have a couple that I can share: At IRP, when we were sharing old blue, Jack told me that turn 2 could be taken flat out. After the next session, I was explaining to him how much I had to work at it to keep the car on the track when I took turn 2 flat out. His response: "You're taking 2 flat out? I've not done THAT yet in THIS car..." - apparently he was explaining the hypothetical... We would push each other quite a bit that way - one of us would find a driving trick and couldn't wait to share it with the other one of us. At Road America, when I was still sorting out the Red Rocket (my car), I had just removed the muffler in my quest for more top end power. When we got out on the track for the race, we were totally equal in handling and power. I believe that it was a 6 lap race. We were within a couple of car lengths of each other for almost the entire race. One of us would draft by the other one on the front straight, and then on the back straight (from turn 3 to turn 5), we'd reciprocate. I passed him like 5 times and he passed me 5 or 6 times in the 6 laps. I went through turn 5 and 6 with Jack on my inside at least once, tires squealing, inches apart, and I may have returned the favor. On the last lap, I managed to pull ahead for the run through the kink, he couldn't draft by me until the start / finish line - I had finally bested him! However, exiting Canada corner my throttle linkage broke (I had been pushing down on the gas pedal with all of my might throughout the race), and he passed me to finish ahead. We always talked about this as the highpoint of our racing careers. Racing inches apart, sliding through the corners on those wonderful Vintage TD's, totally trusting each other, man - it doesn't get any better than that. - Tony _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 20 08:15:47 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:15:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/19/2008 9:29:11 PM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > << Gloria Cubana cigars on Friday night. We had a nice evening, discussing the > upcoming weekend and Watkins Glen. I'm sure that my mom wasn't fond of me > re-introducing him to those vices, but I got a vicarious thrill out of it. >>> > At the Swan Motel (Comstock Park, Michigan) I saw Jack coming down from the > second floor and going to Tony's room on the first floor. We chatted, and > Jack told me how GREAT he felt, "Never better!". He also told me he was on > his way to join Tony to enjoy some fine cigars. I told him that would be > great, but I had a date. Shirley was along this trip. > <<< I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins Glen. >>> As will I, as will I. Bill Dentinger > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Wed Aug 20 09:14:34 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:14:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <012501c902d7$74ecf400$0300a8c0@Desktop> It looks like I can't be at the Glen but I'd like to a propose a toast to Uncle Jack on Saturday the 6th of September at 8:00PM EDT where ever you are raise a glass of the good stuff Thanks for the Memories Uncle Jack Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 20 09:23:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:23:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] A word about the Single Malt Society At the Glen.....for Uncle jack Message-ID: FOT The Single Malt Society is one of those loosely knit non-organizations. It began when Tom Fansher brought me a bottle of fine single malt in appreciation for Jack & I transporting an OD Transmission from Kentucky to the Walter Mitty. This was the beginning of another great friendship for Jack & me, in Tom & Janet Fansher. The Single Malt Society convenes whenever there is a bottle available among friends and followers of single malt. This, with the addition of some fine cigars will likely materialize Saturday Night in the Triumph Paddock at Watkins Glen. Perhaps Tom & Janet will be there in spirit, at least. JA Again there are no SMS rules, dues, meetings or Board of Directors. No need. > <<< I fully intend to re-join the SMS (Single Malt Society) at Watkins > Glen. >>> > > As will I, as will I. > Bill Dentinger > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 20 09:37:32 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:37:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals Message-ID: FOT: Thanks to all who provided the impetus for this to happen. (Bobby Whitehead, et. al) Joe Curry is proceeding with production of the Decals in order to make them available at the Glen. The production costs are being supplied by a prominent western FoT and backed up by another prominent west coast FOT. The excess of their largesse will be applied to: The Jack Drews Memorial Fund The decals have no price attached. We will provide them at the Glen and if you wish to make a contribution to the Memorial Fund, so be it. Optional. Might take the form of a Cigar Box, Piggy Bank, or empty container for Single Malt Scotch. Same with mail requests. Send request in mail with return address. Label would be nice and will get first consideration. Donation would be entirely optional. Production quantity will be limited to 300 pieces and will be a one time run. Thanks, Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50648 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 20 09:45:13 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:45:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C48C08AA838424F98152C6491B784D7@newcomputer> I have only one thing to add to Joe's message. If you send in a SASE make sure it is large enough to fit a 3-3/4" decal into. This is slightly larger than the others I have done so that needs to be said. Thanks, Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:38 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews-Decals FOT: Thanks to all who provided the impetus for this to happen. (Bobby Whitehead, et. al) Joe Curry is proceeding with production of the Decals in order to make them available at the Glen. The production costs are being supplied by a prominent western FoT and backed up by another prominent west coast FOT. The excess of their largesse will be applied to: The Jack Drews Memorial Fund The decals have no price attached. We will provide them at the Glen and if you wish to make a contribution to the Memorial Fund, so be it. Optional. Might take the form of a Cigar Box, Piggy Bank, or empty container for Single Malt Scotch. Same with mail requests. Send request in mail with return address. Label would be nice and will get first consideration. 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URL: From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 20 10:18:43 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:18:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with that...although I think Jack would leave the choice of our favorite adult beverage to each of us. Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: Group44TR7 at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: [Fot] Jack's Legacy - God, Family & Racing Good Morning I am wondering if any of the rest of you had Jack call from his garage with a cigar in hand, drinking a malt, and tell you to listen to the engine run over the telephone. Some years ago, Vince Lombardi made a statement about priorities in life, saying something like "God, Family, & Football". It seems that Uncle Jack has left us with a potential FOT toast; "God, Family & Racing". Obviously this can only be said while drinking a single malt and smoking a cigar with the sounds of a race engine running in the background. Cary ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 20 10:31:55 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:31:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack's Legacy Message-ID: <001c01c902e2$426fd6e0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Now that the shock is beginning to wear off I've had time to consider Uncle Jack's legacy. At the top of the list for me would have to be Tony Drews. When I'd send an e-mail with one of my many questions it was always to the "Drews", Jack and Tony. Many times I'd hear from Tony first,and if it was an engine question, he'd defer to Jack, or as he'd usually say, "I'll think I'll let Uncle Jack chime in on this one." But on a lot of the other questions Tony would get back to me promptly with an answer. I think he was taking some of the "load" off of Jack, especially as I see all of the other posts from people that Jack was helping. Tony has also been very active on the list as we all know and, as Jack was, in answering questions and giving input to the threads. While we were building the car we'd seek out Jack and Tony at Elkhart Lake and Tony would spend whatever time it took to go over things with us. I recall when he spent about 1/2 hour reviewing his fuel system, pump, filter, regulator, pressure gauge, plumbing, fittings, mounting, the whole works. Again, after the car was built and after ELVF last Fall when we had a problem with the transmission and I finally got around to fixing it last winter and realized I'd have to get the OD off (and back on!) I e-mailed the "Drews" again and it was Tony who gave me advice. But the part that shows that "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree", is in one post when I was having my doubts about doing it and Tony says, "Well, I guess I'll just take a weekend holiday in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin if you really get into trouble." That turned out not to be necessary, but he was willing to take a weekend and drive up here to help another Triumph team. I said in my "memories" post that the car wouldn't be what it is and as problem free as it has been without the help from Uncle Jack. I should have said without the help and encouragement from the "Drews", Jack and Tony. I think Jack's helpfulness, kindness and graciousness is living on in Tony. Any father would be happy and proud to leave this world knowing he was leaving a son like Tony behind. To me that's Uncle Jack's greatest legacy. Tim Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Aug 20 12:23:31 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:23:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... References: Message-ID: <008501c902f1$da84cd00$b2680143@your55e5f9e3d2> Damn, another fine pair of vices i did not get to share with Jack. I believe in something called the "communion of saints" and part of my belief in it is that those of us who have gone to their Creator ahead of us still share their old earthly joys with their living friends. So, when we light up and sip, I am sure he will be in our midst. my fondest Jack Story is one that is partially lost to a failed memory. A few years ago, there were races near Omaha. Very early Sunday morning we were all treated to the sight of Jack rolling in oil and grease unter his TR4. There was a steady stream of insult and byplay that Jack was always on top of. Wish i could remember the details but we were laughing so hard we almost cried. art de armond ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:12 PM Subject: [Fot] My Favorite Memory of Jack's Vices... Bill Babcock says he drove up to Jack's house and saw him sitting on the porch with a fine cigar. This is because Frances wouldnt let him smoke those cigars in the house...... So we have two Uncle Jack vices recorded here....Cigars and Single Malt Scotch. Single Malt Scotch and Cigars should be part of the 'Ritual' on Saturday Night in The Watkins Glen Triumph Paddock. We need a project manager for this..... 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URL: From spitfiresuz at 141.com Wed Aug 20 12:51:39 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:51:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] A word about the Single Malt Society At the Glen.....forUncle jack Message-ID: <380-220088320185139860@M2W039.mail2web.com> Sounds very similar to another loosely knit non-organization I am familiar with... ;) Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:23:14 EDT To: BillDentin at aol.com, tony at tonydrews.com, tfansher at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] A word about the Single Malt Society At the Glen.....forUncle jack FOT The Single Malt Society is one of those loosely knit non-organizations... Again there are no SMS rules, dues, meetings or Board of Directors. No need... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE ? Free email based on Microsoft? Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 20 13:56:17 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:56:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Favorite momory of Jack Message-ID: <001401c902fe$cf3474c0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: rpm724 at att.net To: tony at tonydrews.com Cc: Tim Murphy Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Favorite momory of Jack I met "Uncle" Jack at Road America in the late 90's when I was there as a spectator and asked him where to get a header for my street TR4. He was very nice, and my dad and I talked with him and complimented his beautiful TR4 (old blue). Years later my dad and I were building our own TR4 race car, and Jack helped every step of the way. He invited us into his home, showed us his car, and we had a nice lunch together. I was impressed with his ingenuity and car. I couldn't believe he built his own flow bench. I was impressed that "Uncle" Jack had a tremendous wealth of skill and knowlege, but wasn't full of himself. He was very down to earth and willing to answer our questions. In the years to come my dad and I were fortunate enough to paddock next to Jack and Tony. I am probably the youngest person racing a TR-4 in vintage racing, so I really did see Jack as "Uncle" Jack. I couldn't believe he remained so calm when something on his car would break, or the lengths he would go to to finish the week-end, like putting his rear end assembly in the back of his van and driving 4 hours home and back again to rebuild it. I always looked forward to seeing "Uncle" Jack at the races. Being new to racing, I looked up to him as an example of how to act and race in Vintage Racing. "Uncle" Jack was a class act all the way. Sincerely, Ryan Murphy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Aug 20 13:58:17 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:58:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT t.shirt Message-ID: <48AC7759.1070205@bright.net> Great job FOTer's. The Jack Drews "memorial" t.shirt is in process. We ran some extra shirts in the most popular sizes - L & XL. These will be available at Watkins Glen. There is a group called Motor Sports Ministries. They service Pro road races and some amateur events.. A good group doing good work. We will be donating some of the shirt proceed to Motor Sports Ministries in Jack's name. Thought that would meet with everyone's, including Jack's, approval. Thanks for the response and thanks to Scott Janzen for coordinating the project. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From andre at gt6.ca Thu Aug 21 05:49:55 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Traded the GT6 in for a Spit Message-ID: <4362ae390808210449n1486d668g4b1339bf030f3be@mail.gmail.com> Took a little wheeling and dealing, but... http://www.gt6.ca/08/0820/slides/IMG_0506.html http://www.gt6.ca/08/0820/slides/IMG_0507.html A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Aug 21 07:36:00 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] uncle jack memories In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C30@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <48AD6F40.8070207@pobox.com> Henry, Thanks for sharing your story. When I read it I thought I should tell mine too. But then I realized that mine differs in detail but not in substance. There are probably 100 others like it. The man helped a lot of us. I wonder how he found time to work on his own stuff. I really enjoyed our many technical discussions. He was an integral part of my camshaft project. I will miss him greatly. Larry Young Henry Frye wrote: > I had a long time to reflect during my tow home from Grattan. If you > think reading about this tragedy was tough, being there was no easier. > On Sunday I knew Jack would have wanted me to go race, and even though > my heart was not fully in it, I did. I ran a few laps of the enduro, but > was determined to do us proud for the feature. Missed first overall by > less than a tenth of a second to Rick Cook in his Lotus Super 7, and the > two of us were 1.5 minutes ahead of third place. I think Jack would have > smiled... > > For me, it all started in late 1998. Somehow I got accepted into this > fraternity of misfits. > > I first met Jack and Joe in person at Mid-Ohio in June, 1999. It was at > the SVRA event, billed as an MG/Triumph clash. I hadn't bought my race > car yet, but was checking out the scene. This was when Sean and Joe were > running #197 and Tony and Jack were running Old Blue. These guys didn't > know me from Adam, but after some email exchanges and an invite, my wife > Helen and I invade their world. While my memory for things like this is > far from good, I do remember coming away from that weekend with a real > feel of the camaraderie we all enjoy so much. Jack and Joe showed us > their cars, they introduced us to the scene. > > In October 1999 I bought my yellow TR4 racecar. I had absolutely no clue > what I was doing, and I bought a rather poor excuse of a racecar. > (Sorry, Bruce, but by the time I got it, it was truly used up!) I had > tons of questions, and Jack was my go-to guy. He answered every email, > took every phone call. He always seemed genuinely excited when I called. > That made me feel good. > > As I was slowly figuring out this racecar stuff, Tony had his fateful > ride in Old Blue. Suddenly Jack and Tony had no racecar, and Tony set > out in earnest to find a car for his own. Meanwhile, Jack starts to > build New Blue. My race program was really struggling, but I reach a > breakthrough and decide I am going to run the SVRA event at Road America > in May, 2001. It just so happens, this is the inaugural outing for New > Blue. > > Like every new racecar, New Blue has teething issues. Jack needs > something, I am thinking maybe it was the top cover off the spare > gearbox I was carrying, I can't say for sure. But whatever it was, I had > it and Jack felt indebted to me for lending it to him. So he offers me > the Sunday warm-up session in his brand spanking new racecar. Here I > was, just barely off my rookie stripe, and I was offered a chance to > drive Jack's new racecar. That was the kind of guy Jack was. > > And I was so naive I said yes. I brought his car back in no worse for > wear, and learned what I was shooting for in the handling of my car. New > Blue was my first experience with a neutral handling TR4 racecar, and an > engine that ran right, all the time. > > The other thing I remember about that weekend is when the time sheets > showed a practice session where I ran one magic lap in my car that was > sub-three minutes, Jack had that famous twinkle in his eye when he told > Joe and the rest of us, "That's it, no more help for this guy!" Of > course, he was kidding. I think he might have been a bit proud, > actually. > > When I said I planned on flying in to Hallet the year our feature event > was there, both Jack and Tony said bring your driving gear. I got time > in both their cars, and it saddens me that I was never able to > reciprocate with Jack. The offer was there, but he never took me up on > it. Tony did, and of course he beat my best time for the weekend in my > car! > > Then there was that time I bought my street TR4 off eBay. Art DeArmond > picked it up, and hauled from California to his shop in Iowa. I flew in > with parts, tools and a cylinder head under my arm. Back in Art's shop > we get the beast somewhat roadworthy and I start my drive to > Connecticut. First stop, Geneseo, for my dose of that famous Drews > hospitality. I got in late, but Jack drove out to Route 80 to guide me > back to the house. He checks out the sorry looking excuse for a car, and > I check out his workshop. We talked about the strange things that this > hobby brings upon us, and he commented about how much joy he got out of > the various characters that make up the fabric of our hobby. After a > good nights rest, Francis made us a wonderful breakfast and they sent me > on my way. > > As the tributes to Jack have poured in, I see this was not an unusual > occurrence at the Drews house. > > Then there are the countless times I am working on something in my shop > and I want to bounce an idea off somebody. Jack was still my go-to guy. > Invariably, the conversation ended up going in ten different directions, > and an hour or more would pass that seemed like ten minutes. As we were > wrapping up the conversation, Jack always thanked me for calling. He > always made me feel like he got as much out of the conversation as I > did. > > I'm going to miss that. A lot. I also am going to miss him picking up > the phone and hearing his greeting "Hello, this is Jack". > > Jack's approach to racing was what we all strive for. He was a mentor to > all Triumph racers who knew him. > > He might have thought I graduated from his program, but nobody ever > could. > > I am sure he's in a better place now, I am sure he's figuring out how to > make that place better than it already was... > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > From bownes at seiri.com Thu Aug 21 08:45:36 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:45:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Died This Afternoon at Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Our thoughts are with his family and friends. What a loss for everyone. I was going to part out the TR6 I got last week. 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URL: From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Thu Aug 21 11:03:34 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: <157608.7861.qm@web83102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Amici, For anyone interested, here is the link to the report for Uncle Jack's accident from the Grattan Race log. http://www.michiganturnmarshals.org/News.htm I have had a few conversations with the Chief of F&C for the event, and he gave his approval to send this link along. In addition, although I had only met Jack a couple of times at Grattan, I quickly learned that he was a very inventive person, developing solutions to help out any TR owner/driver. Doug -- dmitchel at sbcglobal.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 21 16:02:16 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:02:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Decals Message-ID: <1790DCE007D14BC1A458F26E01FEF573@newcomputer> Folks, One of our members seems to have gotten a different impression about what the decals are going to be that intended. I thought I was perfectly clear in letting people know what they are going to look like. So to be very clear on this, here is what they will be: First they are going to be printed on White Vinyl. They will be 3 ?? in diameter. (a circle) There will be Jack?s number in the center (in black) Around the outside perimeter will be a heavy black band so that the decals can be seen on any color of paint. Inside the top of the heavy black band will be the words ?In Memory of ? (above the number) in black Inside the bottom of the heavy band will be the words ?Uncle Jack? (below the number) in black. 300 of these are being produced. If anyone got a different idea as Cary did about what I was printing, please let me know. Regards, Joe C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mini at wi.rr.com Thu Aug 21 20:45:29 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:45:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Message-ID: All of us at Stonefield Vintage Racing would like to extend our deepest sympathies to the entire Drews family during this time. Jack obviously made a lot of friends and is going to be missed. I would always use Jack as a bench mark as to how my son Daniel was running in his mini. Faster then Jack - doing very good, running with Jack - doing OK, slower then Jack - something's wrong. Richard Gehweiler Stonefield Vintage Racing mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Aug 21 22:16:52 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front Message-ID: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take much wiping down. So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on the inner end of the front upright? ~Steve From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Aug 22 07:46:19 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:46:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> As I recall, the spindle is tapered where goes into the upright. On a taper with a locknut, I usually tighten it into the taper good with a plain nut then remove the plain nut and put the Nylok nut on. The taper should hold it once it's snugged up good. Could be your left caliper hanging up the pistons a bit and they are dragging on the disc a bit all the time. Did you rebuild the calipers recently with new seals or pistons? If not, might be worth checking. I haven't noticed any difference in brake dust left to right but we haven't run that many events either. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From cwn74 at aol.com Fri Aug 22 07:52:52 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:52:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front In-Reply-To: <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <224876B8-C346-4FD3-BFCF-B93F530EBCE0@earthlink.net> <000601c9045d$757ebe80$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <01a901c9045e$5f6b8a50$1342a8c0@semperon3400> More important than more brake dust on the one side wheel is if the pads are wearing more on the one side than the other. If the pads are not wearing evenly there is something going on. Bleed the brakes as a first step. Or... Could be aerodynamics! Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire "Reality... It's not what you think." -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tim Murphy Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:46 AM To: Steven Belfer; FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] More brake dust on left front As I recall, the spindle is tapered where goes into the upright. On a taper with a locknut, I usually tighten it into the taper good with a plain nut then remove the plain nut and put the Nylok nut on. The taper should hold it once it's snugged up good. Could be your left caliper hanging up the pistons a bit and they are dragging on the disc a bit all the time. Did you rebuild the calipers recently with new seals or pistons? If not, might be worth checking. I haven't noticed any difference in brake dust left to right but we haven't run that many events either. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.6/1627 - Release Date: 8/22/2008 6:48 AM From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:26:47 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:26:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP Message-ID: Amici... Just got back from two days in Geneseo, Illinois for Uncle Jack's wake and funeral. Garrison Kiellor (sp?) talks about an idyllic little country town called Lake Woebegone, where life is good, there are few troubles and all the women are strong, the men are good looking, and the children are all above average. It is supposed to be in Minnesota, but I am convinced it is Geneseo in western Illinois. Sure seems that way to me. And all the women are strong, but Frances Drews is the strongest. Of course it was sad, but it was also beautiful. The turnout from the racing community in general and the FOT in particular was outstanding, causing the pastor to comment at the service, "I'm not used to this kind of turn out for a middle of the week funeral." Lest I miss someone, I'll not try to list everyone, but suffice to say at the wake there was a greeting line that wound through the building and out to the street from 4 PM until 6:30 PM. FOTers and other racing friends met after the wake at a local restaurant called, The Cellar for dinner and liquid refreshments. I suspect we helped set a Wednesday Night Record for The Cellar, and I'll bet Jack was there too. I'll let other embellish the rest of the tale.... Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 22 08:43:43 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:43:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] One last piece of info... Message-ID: Amici.... One last thing....not sure if this has been mentioned before, but while in Geneseo, Illinois these past two days, I learned something very interesting. Jack Drews' mother's maiden name was Quick. No kidding! How appropriate is that? Why am I not surprised? Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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FWIW The infrared sensor is a handy diagnostic tool to see if things are going bad, especially if you have some baseline or "normal" readings. We've been taking about 10 readings when the car comes off the track. May drop some of the readings and add others, like front of the block versus rear to see if we're overheating on #4. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 11:16 PM Subject: [Fot] More brake dust on left front > So I'm installing Uncle Jack's uprated spindles on my TR3 and, of > course the old ones won't come out. Next thing you know, I'm taking > apart the lower a-arms, spring pan, etc to get the uprights out. Took > one side to the machine shop, he put it in the press, gave it a couple > of pumps and nothing moved, he walked away and POP! Anyway, I noticed > that the Driver's side front is much more covered in brake dust. It > was very sooty and gross. The Right side, not so much, it didn't take > much wiping down. > > So, because the road courses are clockwise and there are more right > turns, If I'm completing my braking going into the RT turn, does that > load up the Left front brake more Hence the deposits of brake dust? > > By the way, Uncle Jack's spindle setup AND aluminum front hubs are > nothing short of amazing. One more question, do you have to double- > nut the outer end of the spindle to tighten in the big nyloc nut on > the inner end of the front upright? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Aug 22 12:02:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP Message-ID: <001001c90481$46ce2f7c$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 22 13:28:05 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> References: <20080820000259.434FA187666@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <48AF1345.1010005@pobox.com> I hesitate to tell this story, because it resulted from a screwup by Jack. But what the heck, we all know he was a great mechanic, but everyone makes mistakes. I know I make my share. My son Tom remarked, "See dad, even a guru can make a mistake." This was the only time I ever got to wrench directly with Jack. This occurred during our weekend at Hallett in 2006. Jack broke a valve on the very first day. We had the rocker cover off and he tapped one rocker with a hammer and the valve stem flew up in the air. Next step was to pull the head. We noticed that he had accidentally reversed the front two cylinder liners, so the chamfer on the edge of the liner was in the wrong place. The intake valves were smacking the top of the liner. He mulled over the situation and I offered to loan him a spare head that I had at home (in Tulsa). We took the car back to my garage rather than work at the track. We ground a chamfer on the liners where is was supposed to be, mocked everything up and checked to make sure the valves had plenty of clearance. Put my head on and he was good to go. It was fun to work with him. There was also several FoT over that evening which was great fun. Unfortunately, our fix to Jack's engine didn't last. I think the valve pounding on the liner had transmitted a lot of force to the camshaft and the gear for the distributor and oil pump. The camshaft failed the next day. We got a chance to work again in my garage on Saturday night to replace a split cylinder liner in my engine. Jack was smart and turned in early (after all the guy was 70 and had heart problems). Bob Kramer and Tony Drews hung with me until we got it done just in time to watch the clock change from 2am to 3am daylight savings time. We were successful with the fix, but still had a persistent miss the next day. What the heck, at least we had a chance to compete on Sunday. I will always remember pulling that all nighter working in the garage with friends. The mental image of Jack and Tony that I will never forget is seeing a red and blue TR4 head to tail as they went screaming around Blackhawk farms in 2006. Larry Young Tony Drews wrote: > One of the things we'll be doing at the visitation is having folks > write down a favorite memory of Jack. It occurs to me that many of > you can't attend but would like to participate in this portion of his > celebration. You may even find it cathartic (I find that reading and > responding to the messages about him is cathartic for me). > > If you'd like, reply to me with your favorite memory of Jack. I'll > make sure that the whole family gets to read all of these. If you > feel the desire, you can cc the FOT list, but that's not necessary. > > From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Fri Aug 22 15:52:01 2008 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <453608.16876.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ???? Just wanted?to add my condolences to the?Drew family it was a numbing feeling when I heard of his death. Jack was just a great bloke always willing to help. All will sadly miss him. Regards Jim Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 22 17:20:43 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP In-Reply-To: <001001c90481$46ce2f7c$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Message-ID: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 22 17:51:22 2008 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP In-Reply-To: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <444111.80531.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> There are lots of small town people who feel they have missed out on something because they don't live in a big city. I see people stopping for funerals, giving way to safety vehicles, and I do so myself.? Still the older I get the more I miss my small town roots. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Dennis DeLap wrote: From: Dennis DeLap Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP To: "Henry Frye" , BillDentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:20 PM I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. ? D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 18:38:37 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP References: <444111.80531.qm@web57615.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c904b8$9584ed20$0302a8c0@Bud> I hope I never have to see another big city and it's traffic/congestion/hyperactivity/ as long as I live..I'm done!....Maybe it's just the big metro cities that are crazy.. When I fly into Pensacola to visit my daughter, as soon as I get off the plane in their small airport...I'm relaxed....seems like the whole tempo is different than California Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Ernest Husmann To: Henry Frye ; BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net ; Dennis DeLap Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP There are lots of small town people who feel they have missed out on something because they don't live in a big city. I see people stopping for funerals, giving way to safety vehicles, and I do so myself. Still the older I get the more I miss my small town roots. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Dennis DeLap wrote: From: Dennis DeLap Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP To: "Henry Frye" , BillDentin at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 6:20 PM I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. Henry Frye Via wireless handheld device _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________http://www.team.net/donate.htmlFot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Aug 22 19:50:35 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:50:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP References: <724354.95088.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c904c2$a2f56ed0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> Same thing in Dahlonega, GA when my Dad died. A very nice thing. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis DeLap To: Henry Frye ; BillDentin at aol.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Jack W. Drews, RIP I noticed that as well - us city folk must have missed something along the way. D Henry Frye wrote: It was a fitting tribute to a great man. One of the things that touched me was as the funeral procession was heading to the cemetary, every car coming the other way stopped on the side of the road. Says a lot about the townspeople of Geneseo. Says a lot about the guy who chose to live there. 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URL: From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sat Aug 23 07:06:21 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:06:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen In-Reply-To: References: <001701c9051c$125519c0$36ff4d40$@net> Message-ID: <002e01c90521$0a27cd10$1e776730$@net> Bill Warner I believe. It's the former John Kelly Grp 44 car. I worked on this car at Summit Point years ago and it is pretty impressive to say the least. He is also registered with the former Tullius then Newman TR-6. That car, before it was restored lived about 5 miles from me. At that point it was still in its silver and black livery. At a point after that, Bill acquired it and had a spectacular restoration job done. The complete current actual registered entry list is available at www.svra.com . Just click on the event and there is an entry list by name. It was last updated 8/20 so maybe there are more by now. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 From: Paul MacDonald [mailto:macdonaldp at rogers.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:52 AM To: Russ Moore; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen I only counted 2 TR7/8s from Joe's list. Which car is the third? Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: August 23, 2008 8:31 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] current # Triumphs registered for The Glen 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 23 07:32:59 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:32:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/22/2008 9:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time, GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: > Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year > and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the > outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with > friends. > I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marty 2008/8/23 Russ Moore 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108588797/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Aug 23 08:15:07 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:15:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C3F@server.Triumph.local> As I remember it, (always a shaky thing to count on) both Jack's car and the Thunderbolt suffered from improperly installed liners at that race. I remember walking up to a large crowd of gawkers around the Thunderbolt as Jack had the biggest pair of ChannelLock pliers I have ever seen in his hands. He had those pliers clamped around a liner that was pulled out of the block a few inches and was turning it to the proper orientation. While there were many of us shaking our heads in disbelief, that is the sight I remember. While I saw those ChannelLocks and immediately went out a bought a pair, I promise I have never used them to turn a liner in a built engine. Then, when his car suffered the broken valve for the same problem, he chose to grind the relief in the correct place, leaving his liner seated in the block. An all-nighter was held at Larry's place, I remember some great hospitality from Larry's wife as a crowd of Triumph guys descended upon her house. But weekends like these are not the way I choose to remember uncle jack. I'll remember all those great weekends where we ran hard and I put my car away wet. Jack would never put his car away wet... Henry Frye Triumph Technology Consultants 860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) > -----Original Message----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... > > I think Jack was > working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly > was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in > wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an > effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an > ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight > gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and > left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of > kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than > he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to > first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to > get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't > remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I > returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got > the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate > milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a > BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea.) From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Aug 23 08:29:19 2008 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... References: Message-ID: <003301c9052c$a40cec20$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Bill, Larry may have remembered the liner issue as the cause of Jack's car being down incorrectly but the rest of the story was most likely accurate. As I remember it Jack had some issue and they put the head on Jack's car. The next day his camshaft failed putting Jack out for the weekend, making the head available for the liner spinning exercise. These details aren't a big deal, and do not affect what is another great Jack story, but in this case Jack's car went down because of a part failure that he quickly went on to analyzing. I don't know if a universal answer to the cause of the camshaft failure was ever arrived at but Jack had a cam that was ground on one a new remanufactured blank. He surmised that there was a issue with the camshaft distributor drive gear hobbing on these aftermarket cores, affecting its mating with the distributor drive gear. The evidence was in the wear on the drive gear. Jack at work. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: GSFuqua1 at aol.com ; cartravel at pobox.com ; tony at tonydrews.com Cc: saabhuman at netscape.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In a message dated 08/22/2008 9:56:42 PM Central Daylight Time, GSFuqua1 at aol.com writes: Well said Larry. While I wasn't at your garage I was at Hallett that year and remember your problems & Uncle Jack's. Just shows that regardless of the outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with friends. I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 23 08:54:25 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:54:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: In a message dated 08/23/2008 9:28:34 AM Central Daylight Time, rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes: > Larry may have remembered the liner issue as the cause of Jack's car being > down incorrectly but the rest of the story was most likely accurate. As I > remember it Jack had some issue and they put the head on Jack's car. The next > day his camshaft failed putting Jack out for the weekend, making the head > available for the liner spinning exercise. > Bob... Well, Henry's comments jogged my memory, and Larry was, in fact, correct. But Jack Drews turning the liners on the Thunder Bolt (same Hallett event) is also true. I've got pictures. What I had wrong in the story was that I used Larry's head at that event. In fact, Jack Drews lent the head to me at another event (probably BLACKHAWK) and I used it, before it was returned to Larry. Just another part of the legend of how TRIUMPH folk help each other out. I apologize for getting the story wrong. I am closer to 70 than 69, and I don't remember stuff too good these days. I can't remember if I had breakfast...until I look in the mirror. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B03037.70209@pobox.com> Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett > story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our > Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The > two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and > Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an > ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got > compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a > grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far > more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of > Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and > then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't > remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to > Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the > oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change > the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that > was a bad idea. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Gt6steve at aol.com Sat Aug 23 09:58:02 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:58:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: I was aware of that work going on but not too involved as I was changing an engine myself. But I well remember the disappointment of not having those two cars on track with us. Steve In a message dated 8/23/2008 8:45:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry _BillDentin at aol.com_ (mailto:BillDentin at aol.com) wrote: I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (_http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047_ (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 23 10:16:19 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:16:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C17EF43F59748A4B6C08CEF165D9F35@KasPC> I've put the great photo that Bill Dentinger had of Crafty Jack caught in the act, hard at work with trustworthy tools in my last book (Myths) on page 38 with the story of Jack and Tony racing. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: cartravel at pobox.com ; BillDentin at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; saabhuman at netscape.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... I was aware of that work going on but not too involved as I was changing an engine myself. But I well remember the disappointment of not having those two cars on track with us. Steve In a message dated 8/23/2008 8:45:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cartravel at pobox.com writes: Bill, that is what Paul Harvey would call "the rest of the story". I lost track of what Jack did after his car was pronounced done for the weekend. I knew he spent a lot of time working on the Tornado and that the spare head went from Jack's engine to yours. I didn't realize it was another liner problem. He was probably spent by the time it got to our all night marathon. I forgot to mention that my son, Tom, was working all night too. I let him work underneath the car, so the oil could drip in his face rather than mine. I didn't have a spare oil filter, so we had milky oil on Sunday morning too. We ran it anyway. All the water vaporized off during the first race, and the oil was clean after that. Larry BillDentin at aol.com wrote: I could be wrong, but Larry might not be remembering that Hallett story 100% correctly. In fact, I think Jack was working on our Thunder Bolt (not his car, and it certainly was not his mistake). The two and three liners were in wrong. J K Jackson pointed it out, and Jack Drews led an effort to make 'at track' corrections. It was an ill-advised, albeit enthusiastic effort, (the figure eight gaskets got compromised). Kas couldn't bear to watch, and left the area with a grin on his face. We had a ton of kibitzers, and Jack was getting far more help and advise than he needed. I've got some great pictures of Jack working to first get the liners out (enough to turn them), and then to get them back in. We were using a really big hammer. Can't remember why we needed Larry's head, but we did, and I returned it to Jack after I got back home. We actually got the car running, but the oil looked like a light chocolate milk shake. We had plans to change the oil and run it a BARBER the following week end, but decided that was a bad idea. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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A. 2008/8/23 Russ Moore 6 TR-3 12 TR-4 1 TR-250K 6 TR-6 5 Spitfires 0 GT-6 3 TR-7/TR-8 3 Triumph based specials 36 TOTAL Triumphs (up to 8/20) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Sat Aug 23 10:58:21 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:58:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] My favorite memory of Jack... Message-ID: Thanks Bill. The memory is not always what it used to be but I certainly do remember the Thunder Bolt. What a beauty. I took several pictures of it on and off the track. Still stand by my original statement of "Just shows that regardless of the outcome of the competition there is always a good time to be had with friends." 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It bears repeating the intial production costs and a substantial contribution to the Jack Drews Memorial Fund is in place, from two of our finest West Coasters. I am going to set up an excel spreadsheet for Wife Jan and she is going to track the information on the spreadsheet for final accounting. Donations will be held in confidence, but will get earlier delivery consideration. Thanks, Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Sat Aug 23 20:38:27 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:38:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. In-Reply-To: <000d01c90592$5da2e350$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> References: <5DF70B9D02BE419D8E6DCF4FC228C483@newcomputer> <000d01c90592$5da2e350$6801a8c0@LatitudeD530> Message-ID: Thanks. Joe sent both his numbers to me and we have since communicated _____ From: David Talbott [mailto:dtalbott at archrepro.com] Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 7:38 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. His cell is (319) 464-4711 ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander's Phone Number. The subject line says it all. I need to call Joe to coordinate the Uncle Jack decal shipment and don't have the number. Joe C. _____ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 24 00:35:02 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:35:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hallett memories Message-ID: <48B10116.9060306@bradakis.com> Hallett was a memorable weekend for me. The very fact I was there is a testament to the quality of the people on this list. And the Young family hospitality was more than I expected. I believe that weekend was the last time I saw Jack in person. I don't remember the details of the troubles with his car or the Thunderbolt, I do remember working on the problem caused by a broken internal return spring in one of the Weber carbs on Tony's car. And things like tornado force winds and the big top, a Suburban that gave its all to get there, Mordy cooking up burgers, a phone message from the portable toilet company regarding an issue with my order for the IVR race in Wendover the next weekend. There are some things I really miss about running those IVR events, and there are some I am glad to do without. Getting back behind the wheel of a racing Triumph would do me good, though. It would have been nice to have the Drews at last year's Kastner Cup race here in Utah. So it goes. mjb. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 24 07:53:53 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:53:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Test Day for #197 Next Stop: The Glen Message-ID: FoT: I guess I am pretty excited about this. Sean & I are going to test #197 in the Cedar Falls Industrial Park this morning at 11:00AM....until the police come. Head Work by Uncle Jack, including a run on his test stand the week before Grattan. Transmission is by Riverside Sports Cars in Swisher, Iowa with some global support. Cam is by Larry Young. It takes an FOT Village to build a Vintage Triumph. Excited about seeing everyone at the Glen. Jack will be proud of us all. Joe, Sean, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at microworks.net Sun Aug 24 16:18:30 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:18:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and helmet cam Message-ID: <20080824222051.HGAO6175.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Here is a karting race report from last weekend and for those interested is a really nice in-car camera setup to use on their Triumph that is really low cost I recommend the Motorsport camera from GoProCamera.com. I bought a helmet mounted camera and we used it last weekend at the race in Albuquerque. We ended up having a horrible bog at times and in the video you can see Tyler raise his right arm in frustration when the bog hits him. http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=89 When we got there for the practice only Friday sessions we did not change anything on our setup from our last race down here in the Valley. First session was just to set a baseline, knowing that our carb jetting would be way rich and that our gearing would not be right either. After the first practice we leaned out the main jet from 175 to 165 and went back out. Engine ran better. After the second session we changed the gearing. Went from an 18/22 to an 18/24. The third session seemed good. Saturday morning we went out for first practice with the same setup we ended Friday on. Tyler came back in and I asked him what I needed to change or adjust. He said the kart was perfect. I did not have a transponder on the kart for that session but our MyChron Data logger showed a best lap time of 55.36. For the second practice session I just checked the air in the tires. Tyler came to a stop on track which made me worry that maybe the air had gone bad and we had burned a piston by going too lean on our jetting. After the session I ran out with the stand to bring the kart in and he said it just quit on him. Back in the paddock the problem was quickly apparent. No gas. For the qualifying session we thought we would not have any issues but as I was going over the kart one last time before putting it on the ground to get ready to head to grid I noted that the chain seemed "tight". I loosened up the motor mounts to bring the motor rearward to put some slack in the chain and as I was tightening down the mounts I could see the chain going tight again. Seems that one of the cross bolts that holds the motor to the mount had come loose and partially backed out. Got that pushed back through and fixed. Out he went for qualifying. Tyler came back in complaining that the motor was jumping and the drive was really bad and that the kart had been bogging really bad coming out of the corners. In my rush to get the chain issue fixed I had loosened up the bolts that held the rear sprocket together and they had worked loose and partially separated. Damn. Fixed the gear but Tyler's time in qualifying was not very good putting him toward the back of the grid for the race. When it was time to head to grid for the race we could see a storm blowing in and we were getting some rain drops. As the karts headed out onto track the front edge of the storm hit. Air temps dropped and there was a huge tailwind coming down the front straight just as the kart came through turns 3 & 4 of the oval onto the straight. The air density went up 2,000 feet from when the karts rolled out onto track and by the time they came around to take the green. Anybody with good jetting was know marginal and anybody that was marginal was dead in their tracks. We were way off on jetting with a huge rich bog. Tyler came in early it was so bad. That night in the hotel room Benn and I reviewed the video from the race and from listening to the audio we decided that I needed to move our "Magic Can" (gravity fuel feed) further back on the seat and higher up. Sunday morning I moved the Magic Can but the practice session was the same as the previous day. Rich bog coming off the corners. Showed the video to a few other guys and we decided that I should lean out the pilot jet. Did that (from a 52 to a 48) and went out for qualifying. It was better but still not right. We were still gridded toward the back and behind karts we normally are gridded well in front of. We discussed with Tyler that he was just going to have to drive around the problem. Like instead of being in 6th gear coming off the throttle into the oval he might want to be in 5th gear with the motor screaming so that the carb slide was open allowing in air so as to keep the carb from flooding. As you can see in the video of that race as long as he did not have to come off the throttle he was able to run down karts with ease but as soon as he got into traffic and had to start playing with the throttle the engine would go into a bog. Figure I will have to bite the bullet and invest in a pump around carb setup. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Aug 24 18:34:40 2008 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <782584.5966.qm@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ? Like many others I was shocked and saddened when I heard about Jack Drews. ? I never had?the opportunity to meet Jack in person, but did contact him once by phone to order a set of his front axles.? When the axles arrived I was thoroughly impressed by the dimensional accuracy and finish of these stronger after market components, which I quickly installed on my TR-6 autocrosser.? ? Many of us are driving much safer?Triumphs because of the technical support and?stronger parts that Jack made available so I definitely want to express my gratitude for all of?Jack's excellent contributions. ? Jim Prettyleaf ?? 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Hope this observation is not taken as criticism, but rather as constructive observation. Many if not most athletes it seems are not capable of stepping down gracefully from positions of glory, and the consequences are often painful if not tragic. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Prettyleaf To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Like many others I was shocked and saddened when I heard about Jack Drews. I never had the opportunity to meet Jack in person, but did contact him once by phone to order a set of his front axles. When the axles arrived I was thoroughly impressed by the dimensional accuracy and finish of these stronger after market components, which I quickly installed on my TR-6 autocrosser. Many of us are driving much safer Triumphs because of the technical support and stronger parts that Jack made available so I definitely want to express my gratitude for all of Jack's excellent contributions. 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Head & Intake Manifold is Uncle Jack's with 11+:1 Compression & with Mike Belfer's old 87mm flatop Hepolites. Con Rods are Uncle Jack's version of the Chevy Rod Conversion. Crane Ignition and my favorite carbs ZS-175s. Then there is a bunch of ARE stuff hung on it...Carb Heat Shield, Front Alloy Engine Plate, Rocker Arm Spacers, Torque Reaction Arm, Flywheel Dust Shield, 10# Steel Flywheel....Kas' Velocity Stacks. Buy some of this stuff. I just wrote a big check to Riverside Sports Cars. :-) Transmission performed extremely well (Riverside Sports Cars) but not fully tested, yet. Third & Fourth under full race conditions. We are ecstatic. #197 has never been lower, wider, or faster, methinks. Now we will tune for all settings, ignition and carbureter, likely at Watkins Glen. We will be pleased to run midpack, if we can. Both Drivers are suffering from a lack of seat time and have no illusions about running at the front. But that's OK. 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Enclosed Trailer....... :-) Limited to 2nd gear but test surpassed expectations................................ Larry Young cam comes in at about 3k-3.5k and is extremely strong as far as we took it. Some loping under 3K, but expected. Head & Intake Manifold is Uncle Jack's with 11+:1 Compression & with Mike Belfer's old 87mm flatop Hepolites. Con Rods are Uncle Jack's version of the Chevy Rod Conversion. Crane Ignition and my favorite carbs ZS-175s. Then there is a bunch of ARE stuff hung on it...Carb Heat Shield, Front Alloy Engine Plate, Rocker Arm Spacers, Torque Reaction Arm, Flywheel Dust Shield, 10# Steel Flywheel....Kas' Velocity Stacks. Buy some of this stuff. I just wrote a big check to Riverside Sports Cars. :-) Transmission performed extremely well (Riverside Sports Cars) but not fully tested, yet. Third & Fourth under full race conditions. We are ecstatic. #197 has never been lower, wider, or faster, methinks. Now we will tune for all settings, ignition and carbureter, likely at Watkins Glen. We will be pleased to run midpack, if we can. Both Drivers are suffering from a lack of seat time and have no illusions about running at the front. But that's OK. Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wes at hsrca.org.au Mon Aug 25 14:44:19 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:44:19 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of the TR7?. 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Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: Wes Dayton To: FOT Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of the TR7?. Assuming there is some truth to the caption, does anyone recall anything about these wheels? In particular would be interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. Wes Dayton _______________________________________________ ttp://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list ot at autox.team.net ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 25 16:57:23 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:57:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels In-Reply-To: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAD519C5B34568-D30-32EB@webmail-nc13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Just get 'em crack checked before you race with the old Mags. ~Steve On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:33 PM, malaboge at aol.com wrote: > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in > 5", 5.5" and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on > the ground here, they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were > not the most common size (5.5" probably the most common) and may be > a bit more difficult to locate, but not impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were > manufactured by American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Dayton > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels > > In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or > optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available > during the period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I > came across a photo of Lee Midgley racing in California using mag > wheels. The caption says ?The magnesium wheels were a factory racing > option which appeared on every racing car until the introduction of > the TR7?. Assuming there is some truth to the caption, does anyone > recall anything about these wheels? In particular would be > interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. > > Wes Dayton > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 17:04:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:04:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: Hopefully this would be a strong debating point for Wes on the expansion of wheel width sizes, and the use of more modern wheels. Joe A > Wes- > Indeed those are factory optional MAGNESIUM wheels. They came in 5", 5.5" > and 6" width by 15" for the big TR's. While not common on the ground here, > they are often seen on Ebay. The 5" wheels were not the most common size (5.5" > probably the most common) and may be a bit more difficult to locate, but not > impossible. > > I still use a set of them on my current TR4A. They were manufactured by > American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Aug 25 17:25:48 2008 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:25:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse Message-ID: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> This weekend, just blocks away from my studio, I saw a TR6 that had been in an accident. The car was up on a very high curb, right wheels on the sidewalk, left wheels in the street. The front left wheel was off the car and was laying on the side of the road, 5 or 6 car lengths back. The driver was unharmed and making the usual phone calls. With his permission, I looked over the car. It became readily apparent to me that the left front spindle had come loose. The nut that holds it from behind was gone. The spindle could be found still attached to the wheel and hub assembly. I hardly had time to do a full FCC investigation, but it looked to me like that nut had either come loose, and then was battered loose or it had been installed cross threaded, in the first place, and subsequently came loose... as the threads of the spindle were a mess. This TR owner was extremely lucky. It didn't happen on the freeway. It didn't happen when he had passengers. It didn't happen with another vehicle, motorcyclist, or pedestrians nearby. And the one section of road where he left the tarmac was the one stretch where there were no lamp posts or trees, etc. (100' forward or back, would have been a different story.) It looks like his frame was slightly tweaked, the front left wing and under body in that area damaged, the right two and front left wheels damaged. The bonnet was tweaked, but may settle out when the frame it checked, etc. Throw together the damage to the suspension parts, brake callipers (which had been broken into pieces!), etc., and he's likely looking at $6K in repairs or more. Sad, because the car was quite beautiful. Relative to the car, the positive thing is that the frame is robust and the car can be brought back to a high standard in short time. A few lessons here are... 1. Cross-threading is dangerous. 2. Try to inspect your vehicle when you have wheels off, etc. 3. Listen carefully to your vehicle and when it speaks, listen. 4. (I'm not a roll bar fan, but... think about one...) And lesson for self... "Justin, your cell phone has a camera... use it." --Justin From budscars at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 17:33:18 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:33:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse References: <48B33F7C.1060601@greenheart.com> Message-ID: <002e01c9070a$f5516770$0302a8c0@Bud> Good advice...I wonder how often vintage street cars have stuff magnafluxed? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Wagner" To: "Triumphs" ; "Friends of Triumph" ; "Jim Funkhouser" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Accident - Could have been MUCH worse > This weekend, just blocks away from my studio, I saw a TR6 that had been > in an accident. The car was up on a very high curb, right wheels on > the sidewalk, left wheels in the street. The front left wheel was off > the car and was laying on the side of the road, 5 or 6 car lengths > back. The driver was unharmed and making the usual phone calls. With > his permission, I looked over the car. It became readily apparent to > me that the left front spindle had come loose. The nut that holds it > from behind was gone. The spindle could be found still attached to the > wheel and hub assembly. > > I hardly had time to do a full FCC investigation, but it looked to me > like that nut had either come loose, and then was battered loose or it > had been installed cross threaded, in the first place, and subsequently > came loose... as the threads of the spindle were a mess. > > This TR owner was extremely lucky. It didn't happen on the freeway. It > didn't happen when he had passengers. It didn't happen with another > vehicle, motorcyclist, or pedestrians nearby. And the one section of > road where he left the tarmac was the one stretch where there were no > lamp posts or trees, etc. (100' forward or back, would have been a > different story.) It looks like his frame was slightly tweaked, the > front left wing and under body in that area damaged, the right two and > front left wheels damaged. The bonnet was tweaked, but may settle out > when the frame it checked, etc. Throw together the damage to the > suspension parts, brake callipers (which had been broken into pieces!), > etc., and he's likely looking at $6K in repairs or more. Sad, because > the car was quite beautiful. Relative to the car, the positive thing is > that the frame is robust and the car can be brought back to a high > standard in short time. > > A few lessons here are... > > 1. Cross-threading is dangerous. > 2. Try to inspect your vehicle when you have wheels off, etc. > 3. Listen carefully to your vehicle and when it speaks, listen. > 4. (I'm not a roll bar fan, but... think about one...) > > And lesson for self... "Justin, your cell phone has a camera... use it." > > --Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Aug 25 18:11:37 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? 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The right side seems to have suffered some sort of failure as well, but perhaps only as a result of the left side failure. Randall From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Aug 25 18:16:14 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:16:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <43815.48677.qm@web33508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <48B34B4E.2080603@141.com> Two seconds, coming up! Of COURSE we would be thrilled to have the Ceilley brothers as part of this esteemed non-group of ours! Thank you for nominating them! Susan :) marty sukey wrote: > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race > program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave > Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in > touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to > the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with > Windows?. Make your smash hit > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.7/1631 - Release Date: 8/24/2008 12:15 PM > -- ** Oh, I would just KILL for a Nobel Peace Prize! ** From wgrosenbach at juno.com Mon Aug 25 18:20:08 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:20:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: <20080825.182012.1328.8.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I'll second GT-6 & Spitfire folks. Bill GT-6+ On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:11:37 -0400 marty sukey writes: Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your needs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mzv0I3vTKFlanfgWNiT6AWqWi8cdvKH37xic4HHHCBuJVKy/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 25 20:09:03 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <925038.23093.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Second ... great people & I would have thought they were allready here ... lets get them on the list :>) Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Mon, 8/25/08, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination To: "FOT" Date: Monday, August 25, 2008, 7:11 PM #yiv1678595704 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1678595704 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be?learn how to burn a DVD with Windows?. Make your smash hit _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 20:11:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:11:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: FoT, I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a very long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for several years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's memory. Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it all got away from me. My apologies. We will come up with something fitting in the near future. Joe A. > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email > addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 25 20:31:54 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:31:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] In Memory of Uncle Jack Drews Message-ID: The Decal Effort was launched by Joe Curry after being initiated by Bobby Whitehead and funded by two west coast high rollers. Decals are free for the asking, but donations to the Jack Drews Memorial are being accepted. So far the SASEs are streaming in quite nicely to: Joe Alexander 645 1st Street Jesup, Iowa 50468 The commercial community has stepped up to the plate quite nicely, but have requested multiple decals...which they shall get. SASE submitted with donations will get first consideration. We will bring decals to the Glen for distribution and voluntary donation. The number is limited. We could do a second run, but I'd rather not. Thanks to all who have participated. This is a nice remembrance to Uncle Jack. 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They were manufactured by > American Racing here in the states. > > > Still rollin on "vintage" wheels... > Nick in Nor Cal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wes Dayton > To: FOT > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 1:44 pm > Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels > > In Australia, we are currently restricted to 5-inch steel wheels (or > optionally wires) primarily because that is what was available during the > period. Thumbing through some Triumph history books I came across a photo of > Lee Midgley racing in California using mag wheels. The caption says "The > magnesium wheels were a factory racing option which appeared on every racing > car until the introduction of the TR7". Assuming there is some truth to the > caption, does anyone recall anything about these wheels? In particular would > be interested in knowing what widths they were available in at the time. > > Wes Dayton > > _______________________________________________http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing listFot at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > ------------------------------ > Get the MapQuest Toolbar. > Directions, Traffic, Gas Prices & More! > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wes at hsrca.org.au Mon Aug 25 22:10:53 2008 From: wes at hsrca.org.au (Wes Dayton) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:10:53 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR3A Mag Wheels Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the responses. I should clarify that I was simply trying to establish that the ?mag? wheels in various widths were an option during the period. Some understandably thought I was looking for a set of the original mags and pointed out their weaknesses. Instead, what we hope to do is, having established that cars raced using an alloy-type wheel and some were wider, we may succeed in getting approval for a wider option. Once done, we will then be free to find something appropriate (such as the Panasport wheels that it appears many of you use). Thanks again for your help ? Wes Dayton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 23:35:56 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hooking up a Pertronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower coil in my TR6 Message-ID: <000001c9073d$9f1235a0$b1191718@computer> This TR6 is used entirely to race. Currently it has the stock points and I assume ballast resistor wire. I will check the voltage to the coil for sure before moving forward. For the racing application, shouldn't I run 12 volts to the coil? Is this done best by running a new, clean wire from the key to the coil? The Ignitor instructions say not to remove the ballast wire but I imagine this is referring to a completely stock set up and that it is OK to remove it in my application. What changes should I make in the plug gap or heat range? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3484 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 25 23:35:56 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 22:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hooking up Pertronix Ignitor and Flame Thrower in my TR6 Message-ID: <000401c9073d$a023a5a0$b1191718@computer> This TR6 is only used to race. Right now, the ignition is stock points which I believe have the ballast wire but I will definitely make sure whether or not it has the ballast wire before I go further. For the racing application, don't I want to get rid of the ballast wire and run 12 volts to the coil? To do this, would I just run a new, clean wire from the ignition switch. The Ignitor instructions say not to remove the ballast wire but I assume they only mean in a stock set up. Any thoughts on plug gap or even heat range? In the off season, I will be going to triple Webers. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Russ Moore From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of marty sukey Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. Dan : danceilley at comcast.net Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com Can I get a second or two? Thanks, Marty Sukey _____ Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be-learn how to burn a DVD with WindowsR. Make your smash hit -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They would like to be able to keep in touch with the Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. Email addresses as follows. > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > Can I get a second or two? Second and/or third Dan and Dave - WELCOME! > Thanks, > Marty Sukey rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Tue Aug 26 08:35:04 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:35:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed Message-ID: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Another candidate for membership in the hall of motoring misery came thru my door this week. A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to stop and reconsider further mayhem? Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could sell?? art de armond -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 08:47:44 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:47:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Message-ID: Cary, Glenda Gephart is one of the archivists. You might speak to her when you are at the Glen. Copied here...... glenda at racingarchives.org Some of our journalist/historians may want to check in at the Glen Museum. Regards, Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph > The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races > happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a > independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to > gain the regional SCCA championship. > > Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of > Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was > mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after > selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. > > Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the > museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the > museum ? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danceilley at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 08:58:18 2008 From: danceilley at comcast.net (danceilley at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:58:18 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: <082620081458.26282.48B41A0A00018641000066AA2206824693970A0404070A0C020E0B@comcast.net> Thanks so much Marty, Joe and everyone. Had it not been for vintage racing, my Dad, Mom, brother Dave and I would not have crossed paths with so many fine people, many of which are on this list. I had been on it before, but in changing my e-mail awhile back I lost touch. We really enjoyed the camaraderie and look forward to staying involved. My Dad's '69 GT-6 was the car that we all started with back in 1991, and I look forward to doing a complete frame up restoration on it. I hope there's some GT-6 guys out there to offer some advice, I'll need it! The black '71 Spitfire was a car (with a unique history) that I purchased in 1996 and raced (with a lot of help from willing hands!) until my brother Dave and Dad partnered up with me and eventually purchased outright as demands of home and family prevailed. Dave will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew members. Sorry to be long winded, but I wanted to share that and thank everyone who touched my father's life through the sport. He truly loved it and the people he met because of it. It's unfortunate that the vintage racing community has lost three people recently that I personally knew and felt exemplified the spirit of the sport: my Dad, Jack Drews and Mike Cammarata. I hope we can carry on in that same spirit. Best Regards, Dan Ceilley -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > FoT, > > I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & > Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a very > long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for several > years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's > memory. > > Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it > all got away from me. My apologies. > > We will come up with something fitting in the near future. > > Joe A. > > > > > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race program > > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave Campaigning > > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with the > > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT fraternity. > Email > > addresses as follows. > > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net > > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com > > > > Can I get a second or two? > > > > Thanks, > > Marty Sukey > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskas at cox.net Tue Aug 26 09:08:32 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 08:08:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A921375FA344C98B5608D09BCD0DC83@KasPC> Mr. Chris Andrews, President of Triumph USA was there to greet and congratulate Erwin after the race. I know, as I was there with him. He was honored as much as possible by the circumstances of the company at that time. Group 44 was in the very formative years and really not a factor. ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Group44TR7 at aol.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; glenda at racingarchives.org Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Drivers: Spitfire History @ Watkins Glen Cary, Glenda Gephart is one of the archivists. You might speak to her when you are at the Glen. Copied here...... glenda at racingarchives.org Some of our journalist/historians may want to check in at the Glen Museum. Regards, Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph The first of many, many Spitfire victories in SCCA National races happened at Watkins Glen. The victory was by Erwin "Ernie" Lorincz. Lorincz was a independent grassroots racer who followed up that victory with others (VIR) to gain the regional SCCA championship. Considering that he was going against the factory back efforts of Group 44, he must have been a very talented driver. From time to time, he was mentioned in the TOA newsletter. Apparent stopped racing Triumphs soon after selling Spitfire to Doc Hickman. Not been able to find any photographs of the event. Hoping that the museum at the Glen might have some in its archives. Has anyone used the museum ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 26 09:09:28 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:09:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination Message-ID: In a message dated 08/26/2008 9:59:09 AM Central Daylight Time, danceilley at comcast.net writes: > Dave will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew > members. > Hi Dan... Glad to hear your Mom will stay involved with you guys as well. She's a peach. Like Jack and Frances...your Mom and Dad had a fantastic marriage, and their love for one another was no secret. It hung out all over. That's one of my clear memories about Team Ceilley. Currently the FOT list has been trying to put together memories about Jack Drews. I could probably list fifty that related to paddocking, racing, wrenching and TRIUMPH, but one that seems to stick high above the others was the look Frances' eyes when Jack would lead the Sunday Devotionals at many VSCDA events. The look in her eyes spoke volumes about pride and love. It was a two way street. Like your parents, Jack and Frances had a fantastic marriage. They were all wrapped up in one another. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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Extra engine and trans included. Only $4,000. Central Pa. More info at spiwakd at aol.com or 570-441-5646 _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Reed at wilson.com Tue Aug 26 11:21:24 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:21:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ceilley Nomination In-Reply-To: <082620081458.26282.48B41A0A00018641000066AA2206824693970A0404070A0C020E0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: Welcome back. It will be nice to see the GT6 back on the track. Your dad and I shared the the track many times over the years, it was always a better race when he was there. Contact me anytime if you need any help. John Zippy (The Pinhead) Racing #69 GT6+ On 8/26/08 9:58 AM, "danceilley at comcast.net" wrote: > Thanks so much Marty, Joe and everyone. Had it not been for vintage racing, my > Dad, Mom, brother Dave and I would not have crossed paths with so many fine > people, many of which are on this list. I had been on it before, but in > changing my e-mail awhile back I lost touch. We really enjoyed the > camaraderie and look forward to staying involved. My Dad's '69 GT-6 was the > car that we all started with back in 1991, and I look forward to doing a > complete frame up restoration on it. I hope there's some GT-6 guys out there > to offer some advice, I'll need it! The black '71 Spitfire was a car (with a > unique history) that I purchased in 1996 and raced (with a lot of help from > willing hands!) until my brother Dave and Dad partnered up with me and > eventually purchased outright as demands of home and family prevailed. Dave > will continue to race it, and my Mom and I plan to help out as crew members. > > Sorry to be long winded, but I wanted to share that and thank everyone who > touched my father's life through the sport. He truly loved it and the people > he met because of it. It's unfortunate that the vintage racing community has > lost three people recently that I personally knew and felt exemplified the > spirit of the sport: my Dad, Jack Drews and Mike Cammarata. I hope we can > carry on in that same spirit. > > Best Regards, > Dan Ceilley > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com >> > FoT, >> > >> > I thought Dan and Dave were on the list....or at least one of them. Ed & >> > Yvonne Ceilley were an important part of the Triumph Vintage scene for a >> very >> > long time....beginning in about 1989 or 1990. We traveled together for >> several >> > years. Recently, I have been trying to think of a way to commemorate Ed's >> > memory. >> > >> > Uncle Jack & I were on are way to Florida when son Sean called me. Then it >> > all got away from me. My apologies. >> > >> > We will come up with something fitting in the near future. >> > >> > Joe A. >> > >> > >> > >>> > > Ed Ceilley's sons Dan and Dave will be carrying on the Vintage Race >>> program >>> > > for Team Ceilley with Dan campaigning Ed's Black GT6 and Dave >>> Campaigning >>> > > Ed's Black Spitfire. They would like to be able to keep in touch with >>> the >>> > > Triumph family so I would like to nominate them both to the FOT >>> fraternity. >> > Email >>> > > addresses as follows. >>> > > Dan : danceilley at comcast.net >>> > > Dave: dwceilley at embarqmail.com >>> > > >>> > > Can I get a second or two? >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, >>> > > Marty Sukey >>> > > >>> > > >> > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 15:30:49 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed In-Reply-To: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> References: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <48B47609.9060707@charter.net> Art Refresh my memory, is that the early or late manifold? In either case I can probably help you out. Let me know Glenn riverside wrote: > Another candidate for membership in the hall > of motoring misery came thru my door this week. > A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port > intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket > to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to > stop and reconsider further mayhem? > Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could > sell?? > > art de armond > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 26 15:40:56 2008 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= Message-ID: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T for plumbing. Does anyone have any experience with this system? Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source for them? The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with brake line? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Glenn 72 Spit Mk IV almost done From Billb at bnj.com Tue Aug 26 15:59:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:59:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= In-Reply-To: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> References: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> Message-ID: <7B6922F2-7100-45E8-AD44-FC9D003E516D@bnj.com> Just an opinion, but an old fire extinguisher on a new race car seems like bad economics. New one aren't cheap, but they are likely to work when you need them and not when you don't. I vividly remember a guy I was preparing to lap in a beautiful Aston Martin who's bargain fire extinguisher picked that particular moment to light off. The car disappeared in a cloud of powder and he ran briskly off the road, fortunately in a good spot, but that was pure luck. I have always stuck with Halon as a result. On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Glenn Franco wrote: > When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a > FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. > It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T > for > plumbing. > Does anyone have any experience with this system? > Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source > for them? > The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with > brake > line? > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks in advance > Glenn > 72 Spit Mk IV almost done > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From REK46 at aol.com Tue Aug 26 16:21:28 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:21:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguisher_syste?= =?iso-8859-1?q?m?= Message-ID: whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 26 16:45:33 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed References: <084301c90788$eef83380$0f620143@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: <05df01c907cd$741cbba0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> So you need an early (1/2" spacing between ports) intake manifold?- I may have one; I'll check my inventory (meaning rummaging through my garage!). I'll let you know. Bill Tobin---- Original Message ----- From: riverside To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 manifold needed Another candidate for membership in the hall of motoring misery came thru my door this week. A TR6 with narrow port head spacing and wide port intake manifold. Wouldn't the mis fit of the wide gasket to the head be enough of a clue to get the perp to stop and reconsider further mayhem? Does anyone have a spare narrow manifold they could sell?? art de armond ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Tue Aug 26 16:59:07 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?_Re=3A__FlameOut=AE_FE-1301__fire_extinguish?= =?iso-8859-1?q?er_system?= References: <48B47868.10201@charter.net> Message-ID: <05fc01c907cf$58724bc0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> You might consider the AFFF systems on the market (Pegasus). You can refill them yourself if need be for about $65. They are water based. A friend set his off by mistake and said there was foam everywhere. Just don't let them freeze. Good luck, Bill--- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Franco" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: [Fot] FlameOut? FE-1301 fire extinguisher system When I purchased my basket case Spitfire racer a few years ago, a FlameOut? FE-1301 extinguisher came with the car. It has a remote cable to push a pin out of the extinguisher and a T for plumbing. Does anyone have any experience with this system? Where have you placed the nozzles and does anyone know of a source for them? The T is for an inverted flare and the plumbing could be done with brake line? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Glenn 72 Spit Mk IV almost done _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 17:35:56 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:35:56 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest Message-ID: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at netzero.net Tue Aug 26 18:14:11 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:14:11 GMT Subject: [Fot] FlameOut® FE-1301 fire extinguisher system Message-ID: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon will. Joe(B) whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19krr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 18:29:14 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:29:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?FlameOut=AE_FE-1301_fire_extinguisher_system?= In-Reply-To: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> References: <20080826.201411.20949.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: A side note that's not as important as life-saving fire extinguishing is that, if pulled accidentally, I have heard that Halon is very tough to clean up but foam can be washed away. ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My > rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon > will. Joe(B) > > whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19krr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Aug 26 18:49:54 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:49:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FlameOutR FE-1301 fire extinguisher system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0A5CA26597A14415973669D37C8F2300@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I am also using the AFFF system in my Spitfire. I first worked with it around 20 years ago when working on some Air Force hangar fire protection systems and it wasn't a new product then. The foam is corrosive, so it should be washed off right away, but it should clean up easily. I've got one nozzle pointed at my legs and the other two on the firewall pointing at either side of the engine. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Belfer Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:29 PM To: FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] FlameOutR FE-1301 fire extinguisher system A side note that's not as important as life-saving fire extinguishing is that, if pulled accidentally, I have heard that Halon is very tough to clean up but foam can be washed away. ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 5:14 PM, Joe Boruch wrote: > I am using an aqueous foam extinguishing system in my TR3. My > rational is that in the open car it will not dissipate like Halon > will. Joe(B) > > whats best for racing?....Halon 1211 or 1301?....whats the diff? > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Click here to find a massage therapy school near you. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijlUZuEllrnIpsI19k > rr9ooYFPYx1JTbWywbQlhfZwDSwiNTs/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 26 19:16:57 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:16:57 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hotel Needed by FOT at The Glen Message-ID: FoT: If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need a room for two people Wednesday on. 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Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mDcGqo8cksEDUxGrgPHV0Rw19aFA5DuRG05s0SdqOv7uRRo/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Aug 26 20:25:53 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:25:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom In-Reply-To: <20080826.200619.2608.9.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20080826.200619.2608.9.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Second - no problem! Fred Hodgson To: FOT at autox.team.netDate: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:19 -0600From: wgrosenbach at juno.comSubject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom Greetings all, I?d like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to this group. Robert drives a Spitfire Mk III, on the street. He grew up in New York, attending events at Watkins Glen, hanging out around the track and paddock while his dad worked Flagging & Communication in the late ?60s, & ?70s. These days he works F&C with Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, and is a committee member of the Colorado English Motoring Conclave. Seconds, please. Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 26 20:43:34 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:43:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license plate attached. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. > >http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ > > >~STEVE BELFER >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Tue Aug 26 20:47:37 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:47:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <6C7FC0B8-4039-4907-B157-24CE39AFD05F@earthlink.net> My dad, a long time TR3 racer and restorer is on the very bottom of this page driving his Lotus 7. http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_29.html ~Steve On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:43 PM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt > on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license > plate attached. > > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html > > Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html > > > > > At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >> I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >> tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >> These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >> all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured >> here. >> >> http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ >> >> >> ~STEVE BELFER >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From GRMTim at aol.com Tue Aug 26 21:16:17 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:16:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe and Uncle Jack in teh new issue of British Motoring Message-ID: I got a look at an advance copy of the new British Motoring magazine. This is the publication Moss Motors puts out that includes their sale information. It will be on the streets in a few weeks and has a richly deserved article on Joe Alexander and the FOT. There is also a brief mention of how much we will all miss Uncle Jack. Those of you who don't get this publication can get it for free by calling Moss or going to their site. I believe if you sign up now you will get this issue. Kelvin from Moss is on our FOT list and should be able to clarify some of this. Tim Suddard Publisher:? Grassroots Motorsports Classic Motorsports NEW ADDRESS/PHONE: 915 Ridgewood Ave., Holly Hill FL 32117 (386) 239-0523 phone (386) 239-0573 fax www.GrassrootsMotorsports.com www.ClassicMotorsports.net ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jibjib at att.net Tue Aug 26 22:26:43 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:26:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <041c01c907fd$1cd39b40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Lorne, I've had a LuK clutch kit in my street/AutoX TR3 (yes it has the TR4A-6 pressure plate) for several years WITHOUT any issues. Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short period of use. They came from Moss and I know what they will say.WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM Lorne Fritz _____ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with WindowsR. 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Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: Ed, et. al. Richard Good indicates that there are hotels available under: Getaway.com One is the Econo Lodge in Painted Post Richard, Are you coming? Joe A Getaway.com still shows a number of available hotels in the area. Richard Good N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT: If anyone has a room available or knows of a place to stay, we need a room for two people Wednesday on. Thanks Joe A _______________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Aug 27 06:24:13 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lorne Fritz Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short period of use. They came from Moss and I know what they will say.WE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM Lorne Fritz ________________________________ Get thousands of games on your PC, your mobile phone, and the web with Windows(r). Game with Windows -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 27 07:03:09 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. ?In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER_______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Aug 27 07:24:25 2008 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (wgrosenbach at juno.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:24:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Hojaboom Message-ID: <20080827.072425.2344.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> I knew I forgot something. Robert's E-mail address is, boom-town at msn.com . On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:06:19 -0600 wgrosenbach at juno.com writes: Greetings all, I?d like to nominate Robert Hojaboom to this group. Robert drives a Spitfire Mk III, on the street. He grew up in New York, attending events at Watkins Glen, hanging out around the track and paddock while his dad worked Flagging & Communication in the late ?60s, & ?70s. These days he works F&C with Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, and is a committee member of the Colorado English Motoring Conclave. Seconds, please. Bill, GT-6+ ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find the perfect picture with our powerful photo search features. ____________________________________________________________ Love Graphic Design? Find a school near you. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oLKljb5U1d2xJ2Ftods435fxJEpnEHQYNPAxFHOvWoimQ2m/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From henry at henryfrye.com Wed Aug 27 07:34:55 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C4A@server.Triumph.local> There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorne Fritz > Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch > > Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a > TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out > forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short > period of use. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 27 07:45:18 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:45:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <006201c90849$f019b060$0300a8c0@Desktop> References: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006201c90849$f019b060$0300a8c0@Desktop> Message-ID: <20080827134503.C695B187892@autox.team.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 08:12:12 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:12:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches Message-ID: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Aug 27 08:23:13 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:23:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD40A3C4A@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <025001c90850$71233b30$0302a8c0@Charly> I know of at least 3 failures in the NW of these clutches, B-B and even a supposedly racing clutch from a Saab application. It seems the only way around this problem is the adapting of a Tilton clutch. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Frye" To: "Lorne Fritz" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 6:34 AM Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lorne Fritz >> Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch >> >> Has anyone had any throuble with a Luk clutch kit for a >> TR4a/6. In the last 4 I installed I had 2 break throw out >> forks and two wouldn't release completely after a short >> period of use. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 08:33:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:33:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen Message-ID: FOT Entrants: As indicated in earlier emails......Arrangements have been made to tech the Triumphs in one location. This will save time for the Triumphs and SVRA. The WPTA Hospitality Tent could be used temporarily for this function. Have everything ready to tech and Bob Williams will be a happy man. If you went to Thunderbolt you will only need your Log Book. Joe Alexander See below from Jack Woerhle: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------- > Sounds good to me. The Triumph corral will be outside the south gate of the > garage area and they will have a tent. You might want to communicate with > Joe Alexander on the exact location. > > Jack Woehrle > SVRA Technical Director > jwoesvra at aol.com > 803-463-5388 > FAX 803-794-8747 > 701 Center Street > West Columbia, SC 29169 > In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:42:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > ibexbob at ptd.net writes: > > >> I am going to post a notice that anyone that went through Thunderbolt >> TECH. need only bring their log book to TECH. to get passed through for >> the Glen. I'll have a special time for the Trimuph people and inspectors >> to go to them since there are Forty cars in one place. >> Thunderbolt was a very good and complete inspection with an excellant crew >> that took proper time with each inspection. >> OK? >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Wed Aug 27 09:17:46 2008 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:17:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <20080827024141.INPH29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <005a01c90858$106aaaa0$64690143@your55e5f9e3d2> The license plate reference caused a flashback to the day i promised myself to never again run a Chicago Region SCCA event. TR3 racers will recall the not uncommon loss of the spare tire well cover. My racer was street licensed (to reduce the size of the fine when apprehended in the act of public testing) and i kept the plate securely attacked to the tire well cover where it belonged. Even tho the GCR did not reference license plates, i was summoned to the top of the Road America "tower" and threatened with excomunication if i did not remove the plate. On a more pleasant note, the other TR3 running that event was towed behind a 289 Cobra. Wish i still had the entry list.. We both had engine problems, I beat him that day because we both needed to pit to add oil , but only he did. Ghost tracks: A reunion at Meadowdale is scheduled for 9/13-14 accordiing to yesterday's alfa racer group ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest >I loved the matching tires "stripes" on the TR3 and the Team T-shirt > on this TR3. Plus the car still has it's 1965 Wisconsin license > plate attached. > > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/65_6.html > > Lots of TR's with drivers names on these pages. > http://mcsccpix.homestead.com/klaxon65.html > > > > > At 04:35 PM 8/26/2008, you wrote: >>I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from >>tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. >>These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are >>all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. >> >>http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ >> >> >>~STEVE BELFER >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 > 7:29 AM > > From mlcooknj at msn.com Wed Aug 27 09:25:09 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:25:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net> <121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is a wonderful book entitled "Ghost Tracks" by Pete Hylton that chronicles the great days of racing at circuits that no longer exist and one or two that still do. It's based on a series of articles that appeared in SCCA's Sports Car magazine. Go to www.legacyinkpublishing.com Covers tracks like Vineland, Green Valley and Moffet Field. Familiar? mike Cook Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700From: sbracing at sbcglobal.netTo: fot at autox.team.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale.--- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwestTo: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com/ ~STEVE BELFER_______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Reed at wilson.com Wed Aug 27 09:45:38 2008 From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John Reed) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:45:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: > FoT, > > No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed > out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this > business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, > regardless of the label. > > One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch > components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave > me some good insight in the business side. > > Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently > superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had > apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. > > But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... > > Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up > being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this > winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. > > Joe A > > > > >> There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers >> that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. >> Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction >> disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not >> disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. >> >> Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could >> not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. >> Scratch that gearbox case... >> >> There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season >> because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the >> race spares is a very good idea. >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 27 09:59:50 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:59:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest In-Reply-To: References: <7E460AB9-0ABF-4B2B-BCFF-03E682D63218@earthlink.net><121871.49213.qm@web81006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9758085C50614E6A8EF9704375EDB844@newcomputer> Green Valley was a memorable track northwest of Dallas, which unfortunately went the way of many old tracks. It was gobbled up to make way for houses and businesses. Joe C. _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of michael cook Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:25 AM To: sbracing at sbcglobal.net; FOT; Steven Belfer Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest There is a wonderful book entitled "Ghost Tracks" by Pete Hylton that chronicles the great days of racing at circuits that no longer exist and one or two that still do. It's based on a series of articles that appeared in SCCA's Sports Car magazine. Go to www.legacyinkpublishing.com Covers tracks like Vineland, Green Valley and Moffet Field. Familiar? mike Cook _____ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:03:09 -0700 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net To: fot at autox.team.net; colordog.1 at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest FYI - Uncle Jack raced at Wilmott and Meadowdale. --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Steven Belfer wrote: From: Steven Belfer Subject: [Fot] Ghost Tracks of the midwest To: "FOT" Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2008, 6:35 PM I found this website with a bunch of cool old racing photos from tracks like Wilmott, Medowdale, and Lyndale Farms. These tracks are from my dad's era but the pics, names, and cars are all very familiar. In fact, I bet some of your cars are pictured here. http://lynndalefarms.homestead.com / ~STEVE BELFER _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Aug 27 10:05:55 2008 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:05:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches I've been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. Scratch that gearbox case... There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the race spares is a very good idea. _____ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Regards, John Reed Global Staff Photographer Creative Services Wilson Sporting Goods Co. 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorized copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 10:31:59 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:31:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches In-Reply-To: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> References: <8DF841E4C6F14E5AA237A81D7AE46DE6@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <88F1F63C-373A-4142-A327-4CAAC25BC98B@bnj.com> Ditto, though I use Quartermaster clutches. Other than a difference in initial expense I can't see a reason to use stock junk--at least not for racing. I'd probably use stock stuff in a street car because it's probably easier on the transmission, and the passengers. The quartermasters are not cheap, though the bottom of the line V-Drive unit isn't all that bad and is just a strong as the fancy one I run, but pulling your engine one extra time would seem to justify the expense. I probably spent more money trying to get stock clutches to work than I have since I switched. I did manage to screw up my Quartermaster, but that was a stupid error on my part, and it still worked for 12 more race weekends before failing. On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:05 AM, Don Marshall wrote: > My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no > problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup > from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of John Reed > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM > To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches > > I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. > It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The > pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for > proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I > replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even > when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 > spline disks. > > > On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: > FoT, > > No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been > farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends > say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what > you are getting, regardless of the label. > > One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was > remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the > design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business > side. > > Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are > frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a > TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the > springs replaced. > > But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... > > Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may > end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will > happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. > > Joe A > > > > There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in > racers > that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. > Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the > friction > disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not > disengage. Leo's developed a nasty vibration. Tony's started slipping. > > Also George's Borg and Beck failed, throwing a little chunk that could > not escape the bellhousing until it made a hole big enough to escape. > Scratch that gearbox case... > > There have been way too many gearbox pulls in the paddock this season > because of clutches... Also having a new clutch kit ready to go in the > race spares is a very good idea. > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Regards, > John Reed > Global Staff Photographer > Creative Services > > Wilson Sporting Goods Co. > 8750 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA > Tel. + 1.773.714.6895, fax +1.773.714.4585 > > John.Reed at wilson.com www.wilson.com www.amersports.com > > > > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail > in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e- > mail. 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Those Legends are: Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting questions. And the FoT invites you to visit us in the Triumph Paddock through the weekend. Classic Motorsports is our sponsor for the Kastner Cup and will have a tent with an English Pub Theme. WPTA/VTR will have their usual FoT Hospitality Tent in place and there will be several things going on there. Likely a few surprises. Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 27 10:57:33 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:57:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in > the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: > > Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. > Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 > Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 > John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) > > All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting > questions. > Joe... Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed Aug 27 11:07:13 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:07:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: All TRIUMPHS that register WILL be selected (unless they are FROG BLUE) You do have to register to be selected though. The form will be available at registration. If we have room, we may even let the FB cars in. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/27/2008 12:58:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Aug 27 11:47:38 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:47:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> > Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of > clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. I agree. Worth noting perhaps that the TR6 originally used "dowel bolts" that had threads plus precision ground shanks so they could serve both as locating dowels and clamping bolts. At least one LBC vendor is selling ordinary bolts (with the usual undersize shanks) as replacements. Randall From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 12:17:22 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:17:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak & The FOT Message-ID: Bill Dentinger! Thanks for supplementing my announcement. We have worked with the Village Festival Committee on some of these features, as they have Honored the Triumph Marque for the weekend. They have responded to us very nicely. And I wish to thank them for that. Copied Here. Stand by for more announcements....there are several more. Joe A > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race > cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to > reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will be > difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier to > do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN before, > or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown before > SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of cars will get > credentials to do that. If interested you should register for it on Wednesday > night or early Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 12:22:25 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us all together. It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 Bill On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com > writes: > > >> The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 >> PM in the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: >> >> Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. >> Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 >> Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 >> John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) >> >> All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask >> interesting questions. > > > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when > the race cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen > for display and to reenact the old street course race, getting there > for the 3 PM program will be difficult for most racers. Hence crew > and others will find that easier to do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN > before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip > downtown before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a > limited number of cars will get credentials to do that. If > interested you should register for it on Wednesday night or early > Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 12:32:14 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:32:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Message-ID: Bill, I could be wrong and may stand corrected, but I thought I heard somewhere that the Triumph Marque would lead off the Old Course with one lap and then the rest will follow for a second. That would be VERY Special. Dont hold me to that. I might have been dreaming. Joe A > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This > year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I > doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us > all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone > that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I > can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed > her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are > pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony > Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I > took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I > don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to > have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's > handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place > because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. > http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > > Bill > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 27 13:01:54 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:01:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 clutch In-Reply-To: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> References: <6FA1408AE7C54D65966141C8BE492D7B@jdnet.deere.com> Message-ID: <432A98BC4786445B82298B279BC36945@KasPC> The method of using "dowel bolts" was a thing I devised in 1967 when working on the first of the TR 6 cylinder motor and having the clutch fly off the flywlwheel. I think I detail this in one of my books. Works too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 clutch > >> Are the locating dowels in place when you mount the tranny? A lot of >> clutch problems can be traced to misalignment. > > I agree. Worth noting perhaps that the TR6 originally used "dowel bolts" > that had threads plus precision ground shanks so they could serve both as > locating dowels and clamping bolts. At least one LBC vendor is selling > ordinary bolts (with the usual undersize shanks) as replacements. > > Randall > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 13:14:57 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:14:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> Message-ID: I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the Glen. On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > Bill, > I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at > turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and > she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed > sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left > front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I > am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have > seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist > syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This > latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the > Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought > I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA > let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. > In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The > other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could > never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and > my right rear, ??????? I had to replace the entire front end, the > whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she > didn?t like being passed. Jeez. > > In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this > year. > Best regards > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to > go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some > special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, > but they might at least stick us all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride > for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on > Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, > visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. > Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured > LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL > working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took > it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons > I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging > remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized > for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't > make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 13:56:37 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:56:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808271256h10be0117vb78b93c9d104a52a@mail.gmail.com> So,since it appears passengersare allowed, Isurewouldlike aride from anyone who can give it -- all the better it in a TR6. Chuck 2008/8/27 Bill Babcock > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This > year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I > doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick > us all together. > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for > anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel > cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but > she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning > too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at > the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins > Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, > MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark > about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I > left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without > it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 9:57 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 08/27/2008 11:45:54 AM Central Daylight Time, > N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > > > The Legends Speak will be held at Layfayette Park on Friday at 3:00 PM in > the Village of The Glen on 5 September 08. Those Legends are: > > Kas Kastner Triumph's North America Manager of Competition. > Ed Diehl Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1963 > Roberts Johns Triumph Factory Driver 12 Hours of Sebring 1957 > John Macartney Triumph Factory Manager (Marketing & Sales) > > All those that can should appear at Layfayette Park to ask interesting > questions. > > > > Joe... > > Good idea, and as you know, because late Friday afternoon is when the race > cars make a trip from the track to downtown Watkins Glen for display and to > reenact the old street course race, getting there for the 3 PM program will > be difficult for most racers. Hence crew and others will find that easier > to do, and should plan to do so. > > For racers, I strongly recommend any who have never been to the GLEN > before, or who have never made that Friday late afternoon trip downtown > before SHOULD PLAN to do so. It is a hoot, and only a limited number of > cars will get credentials to do that. If interested you should register for > it on Wednesday night or early Thursday. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > > Editor > Ke Nalu e-Magazine > *Paddlesurfing's Web Journal* > * > * > Bill at kenalu.com > www.kenalu.com > blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at netzero.com Wed Aug 27 14:01:17 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:01:17 GMT Subject: [Fot] LUK clutches Message-ID: <20080827.160117.21363.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com> I have also been using Tilton and Quartermaster clutches for over 10 years. I tried the single disc version for a couple of seasons, but found cracks in the friction disc, so I went back to the double disc this year. The single disc is rated for over 200 ft-lbs of torque. My car should be in the 170 ft-lb range, but I guess that was too much? (I am sure that 9 inch slicks don't help the situation either) If someone has a low hp TR3/4 I have a very nice single disc Tilton clutch unit that I do not need any more. Joe(B) -- "Don Marshall" wrote: My experience with the Tilton has been the same as Johns, no problems. It came with the car and is probably the original setup from when Jack Wheeler had it. Don -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Reed Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:46 AM To: Joe N197TR4; henry at henryfrye.com; lfritz82 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] LUK clutches I?ve been using a Tilton setup for over 20 years with no problems. It is a dual disk that came as a package set with the flywheel. The pressure plates and flywheel have little #1s stamped on them for proper assembly. Very nice, probably the nicest thing on my car. I replace the disks every 5 or 6 years if they need it or not. Even when I switched to a 240z trans. all I had to do was change to 9 spline disks. On 8/27/08 9:12 AM, "N197TR4 at cs.com" wrote: FoT, No surprise, but in the past few years the low volume stuff has been farmed out to low cost suppliers. Including LuK. My clutch friends say that this business has changed consderable. You wont know what you are getting, regardless of the label. One of the businesses I got involved with John Deere was remanufactured clutch components. It doesnt make me an expert on the design of clutches, but it gave me some good insight in the business side. Rebuilding a good old unit is preferable and the materials are frequently superior. Same goes for discs. I just provided one for a TR3 and ot had apparently superior friction materials and all of the springs replaced. But now there may be a forthcoming shortage of these materials. ..... Henry, If you still have that core, I'll see what I can do. It may end up being better than new and far less expensive. Nothing will happen until this winter, but I am sure that is OK with you. Joe A There have been at least 3 LuK clutch pressure plate failures in racers that I can document this year. All were about 5 years of racing use. Look at the 3 metal straps that hold the part that engages the friction disk to the outer shell. Mine broke at the rivet and would not disengage. 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From: "Chuck Arnold" Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:56:57 +0000 Size: 731 URL: From spitlist at cox.net Wed Aug 27 14:18:39 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:18:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack Decals Message-ID: <9B21EA37ED994A9CAE83B1EEF344AB22@newcomputer> The Decals are on their way to Joe A. and should arrive in plenty of time to arrive before he leaves for the Glen. I don't know if Mark has added the attachment removal to the list yet but if not, here is a picture of the decal. Joe C. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Billb at bnj.com Wed Aug 27 14:57:39 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:57:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT In-Reply-To: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <691A4DEB-4935-417D-9E4A-6BF78F32D13C@bnj.com> Nope, where is washington is he from? Ask him what organization he plans to race with. If he replies SOVREN then I can ask Dick Buckingham about him. On Aug 27, 2008, at 1:43 PM, emanteno at comcast.net wrote: > Hi guys, > > I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, > from a T A Moser from Washington. > > However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He > wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to > be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. > He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced > that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and > documentation. > > Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? > > Thanks, > > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Wed Aug 27 15:23:48 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:23:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT References: <082720082043.7761.48B5BC750001BF7100001E512213539653970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <014601c9088b$32b949d0$0302a8c0@Bud> Irv... Ask him for a POSTAL MONEY ORDER non refundable down payment..of say..$500.00...tell him that he can deduct the cost of overnighting it to you(about 15.00) for his trouble..then you're safe...any post office can verify the postal money order...A CASHIER'S CHECK DOES NOT PROTECT YOU..your bank will credit you and then come back at you in about 2 weeks... Good luck..let's hope it's on the up and up Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT Hi guys, I received an inquiry on my TR4, which is listed on race-cars.com, from a T A Moser from Washington. However, the wording in his note makes me think it is a scam. He wants to buy the car and go racing "right away". The guy claims to be ready to call the transportation company if I accept his offer. He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? 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Bill, can't you rig a seat and belts for the top of that... er, ballast box you carry over there in the passenger side of your car? :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Babcock > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > And Diane will need a > ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her > sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in > NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather > helmet and goggles. From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Aug 27 15:41:52 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Frederick Hodgson) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:41:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire block needed Message-ID: Amici- Does anyone have an early 1296 (small crank) block that they're willing to part with? I have a customer/friend/racer in need of one. Contact me off list with the particulars. Thanks in advance. Fred Hodgson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 19:38:31 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:38:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Message-ID: FoT: I know I've said this before, but it bears repeating. If it wasnt for Joe Richards we wouldnt have a significant piece of our heritage on it's wheels. If it wasnt for TR2 TS1 LO, we wouldnt be racing Triumphs. The FOT and VTR (WPTA) are honoring Joe & Dottie Richards at the Glen. They will be in the Triumph Paddock, when they are not out and about the track and the Village. During the weekend, Joe & Dottie are passing this cherished piece of Triumph History to Robert Parker Smith, as the new caretaker/owner. From the Glen it goes to Robert's private museum, in Hawaii. TR2 TS1 LO will also be featured at Watkins Glen International as our Honorary Pace Car for the Classic Motorsport's Kastner Cup Race. 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URL: From vinnyde at verizon.net Wed Aug 27 20:08:41 2008 From: vinnyde at verizon.net (Vincent De Palma) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:08:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Need Some Help From the Northwest FOT Message-ID: <004201c908b3$00c7ebc0$2f01a8c0@userv8vydxzaql> Funny, I received an inquiry on my Spitfire (which sold long ago) from the same guy. It was advertised on race-cars.com. Sounds a little fishy. vince de palma (now a Fiat racer) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 27 20:22:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:22:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring Message-ID: Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Aug 27 21:01:11 2008 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957Sebring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am pleased to second the nomination. Robert belongs here. Welcome to the friends, Robert Paul MacDonald -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: August 27, 2008 10:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957Sebring Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 27 20:28:54 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <861296.60057.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> ABSOLUTELY!!!! ? SECOND||!!!! ? Joe, ? My only question, is why havent we had him here before now .... ? Welcome Robert.? We would all love to have you. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire --- On Wed, 8/27/08, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:22 PM Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a ?significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. ?(Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. ?We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. 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Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:23 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: rjohns at woh.rr.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination for Robert Johns Triumph Factory Driver 1957 Sebring Venerable FOT List, I have a worthy nomination. Robert Johns made his mark on the Triumph scene in the 50s. He made a significant mark and then disappeared. He drew enough attention to himself that he became a Factory Driver at the 12 Hours of Sebring in 1957. He was co-driver with Mike Rothschild. (Mordy's Father-In-Law) He spent some time and gained experience overseas at venues such as the Nurburgring. Robert submitted a short resume to the Committe at the Glen. Perhaps he will share some of that with us on this list, as his introduction. He will be featured with The Legends Speak in the Glen, with Kas, Ed, & John. Bob will also be spending time with us in the Triumph Paddock. I believe he will be bringing some memorabilia from the 50s, which we will all enjoy seeing and discussing. Robert disappeared from the racing scene in the late 50s. He turned his efforts to college, career and family. (Ford Motor Company) Now retired, he has now has returned to be with us. We are glad he is back. He will add much to the 'Friends'. Now, please, speak up with supporting 2nd. Thank you, Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 06:40:15 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:40:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A > Hi Joe, > > Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: > > 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? > 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take > me to drive there? > > Cheers, Keith > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 06:51:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:51:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. Message-ID: FoT, Our Legends Speak at 3:00PM on Friday at the Glen. We need one or more videographers to record this for posterity. Perhaps someone already planned to this? Thanks, Joe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable piece of art. At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other VIPs. This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. This will be a great companion piece to it, methinks!~ Joe Alexander Blake Discher ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 In a message dated 8/28/08 9:31:21 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > The VTR (Blake Discher) is providing a mini event poster for the Friends of > Triumph and for attending VTR Members > > This one is being professionally done and printed on quality hard stock. > > I do not know the composition of it, as I have not seen a working document. > There have been several inputs, so I would expect it to be a very valuable > piece of art. > > At the WPTA Tent a poster will be set aside for each driver. You will want > to stop by during the weekend and sign each driver's poster, as we did at > Mid-Ohio. These posters will also include autographs from Kas Kastner and other > VIPs. > > This is a good size to frame and hang....my other one is. ?This will be a > great companion piece to it, methinks!~ > > Joe Alexander > Blake Discher > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Aug 28 07:42:20 2008 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:42:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2008 6:34:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wensley_Tr at comcast.net writes: With that is going on Are you guys going to have time to race? Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He hasn't asked a single question about the car, and I'm convinced that any serious buyer would be asking me for more info and documentation. Has anyone in the Northwest heard of this person? Thanks, Irv Korey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 08:27:55 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] THANKS Northwest FOT Message-ID: <082820081427.20562.48B6B5EB000E5EE5000050522207001641970A9D010507@comcast.net> A big THANKS to all of you Northwest FOT who answered my inquiry about T A Moser's offer to buy my TR4. Whoever he is, T A Moser is unknown to the TRiumph racing community. The wording in the "offer" was extremely suspicious to me, which was the reason for my inquiry. I have not received any answers to the questions I sent Moser, which pertained to his location, who he planned to race with, etc. I am sure I'll never hear from this person again. Be aware and beware of the name T A Moser. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 28 08:39:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:39:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Message-ID: > Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help > drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time > and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AKonopka at centralparknyc.org Thu Aug 28 08:45:43 2008 From: AKonopka at centralparknyc.org (Andy Konopka) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:45:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: Newark would be an easier choice driving wise. Getting from JFK across Manhattan can be a nightmare in the afternoon if you are not familiar with alternate routes and short cuts. Newark has the option of getting on the N.J. Turnpike to Rt. 280, to Rt 80 west into P.A. Any where from 4 1/2 to 5 1/2 hours depending on traffic. Both Newark and JFK seem to experience the same delays from weather because the distance between them is not very far. Andy Konopka http://www.centralparknyc.org The Central Park Conservancy's mission is to restore, manage, and preserve Central Park, in partnership with the public, for the enjoyment of present and future generations. --- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:This e-mail message from the Central Park Conservancy, Inc. may contain confidential and/or privileged information. This e-mail is to be reviewed only by its intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail and destroy all copies of the original message. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 28 09:11:58 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:11:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would be Vince Lombardi, and one of my favorite quotes: "Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well that we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence" Bob Kramer ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:39 AM To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; wensley_Tr at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Aug 28 09:51:55 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:51:55 GMT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! Message-ID: <20080828.115155.16836.3@webmail02.dca.untd.com> If driving from the airport, Newark would be best, but Keith, you may consider taking a shuttle flight from NY or Newark to Binghampton or Syracuse or Rochester. Binghampton is about an hour drive and Syracuse and Rochester about 1.5 hours. Joe(B) -- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ____________________________________________________________ Get the shot you need with a discreet new spy camera. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/Ioyw6ijmMA5gYZvtml5viuTVvDBimYILqlyGkwFF8hofG3ZDF6DU5k/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Aug 28 11:07:35 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22AA5235A3804845A6C73C4D7A60C215@SohlPC> We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also: cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:44:02 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:44:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] B&B available at the Glen event Message-ID: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> My mother, God rest her soul, died yesterday after a short sickness but many years of pain. I will always miss her,but am glad Ruth Arnold the person has gone to be with her husband in a happier and pain free place. That being said, it was a bad time to die for me as the funeral is Saturday the 6th. I am, therefore,having to cancel my trip to the Glen. I have a B&B reserved for 4 nights [Thurs-Sun] right in downtown Watkins Glen [Blossums B&B]. I have not yet let the proprieter know. IF anyone is interested in taking over this reservation, let me know today and when I cancel I will give them your contact information. Sure am sad I am going to miss this once in a lifetime event -- it is just a fitting cap to a Triumph season that saw me build out a car, get it running real well, then have it break a rod before I could race it. See you all at the Kastner Cup next year, wherever it may be! -- Chuck Arnold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Update Profile/Email Address http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&v=001B21k9fjlSbS4Cc9i0GXDYTW7fQFGvAAoFQr0j73FRjGfYzmnFBfXffASl09EP7p6G6c-qkRljYY%3D Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&v=001B21k9fjlSbS4Cc9i0GXDYTW7fQFGvAAoFQr0j73FRjGfYzmnFBfXffASl09EP7p6G6c-qkRljYY%3D Privacy Policy: http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Email Marketing by Constant Contact(R) www.constantcontact.com The Motorsport Collector | 5120 Belmont Road | Suite L | Downers Grove | IL | 60515 From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 28 15:10:04 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> Message-ID: <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> Mosport is a great track and always a good time. My first laps on it years back were with what would be group 6 cars if they were in an SVRA event. Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a track to develop a rhythm on. From turn 1 through 5b you?re on your toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar! Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none of us will have that situation again. Russ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM To: Russ Moore Cc: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your gloves, see you at the Glen. On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: Bill, I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and my right rear, I had to replace the entire front end, the whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she didn?t like being passed. Jeez. In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this year. Best regards Russ Moore Spitfire #49 From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM To: BillDentin at aol.com Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, but they might at least stick us all together. It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After the race I went over to shake his hand and he was reliving the race talking with some other guys, just like any other car nut would, talking and laughing about passes and corners and cars. I shook his hand and he asked which car was mine. When I told him he said "What is IN that thing?" I told him it was a TR3 in drag and he got really animated, told me his first race car was a TR3 and he still loved 'em. I was walking on air for days. It was like God telling you he liked your car. Damn, damn, damn. Bill On Aug 28, 2008, at 1:33 PM, Robert Lang wrote: > >> From another list... > > > Word has just reached us that > America's first > World Champion, Phil Hill, passed away this > morning due to complications from Parkinson's > disease. > > All of us at The Motorsport Collector wish to > extend our deepest sympathy to Phil's wife > Alma, his son Derek and daughters Vanessa and > Jennifer. > > We have fond memories of the many autograph > sessions and other contact we had with Phil > over the years. He > was a true gentleman and a great Champion. > > > > He will be missed. > > Paul Zimmermann and the TMC Staff > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Quick Links... > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > *Our Latest News - http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001tfIAKmXWdkUefczA_hp-MJQwKP45GR8lj_nkObn1Fyra2B2oLQInNztBjHQeKvUvgUoVViMcaCeGkckGE4q7BJj3XL3XG7NxJVFNcyJBp8HLtC_r0rIuv8bx67Vb-AqK > *Secure Shopping Front Page - http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001tfIAKmXWdkVK7r-pdlR-MDyaPPHMGHoReRHQL4YiQmyEG7twWrLI-JMidyMDkQ90Zt-x7mEQH4c8_0myDYn3PfB--E0sZwsbskA2pNTGnm_W0bhUaKG-uI-IigASvcX93WOK-7FpR4E= > *Secure Order Form - http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?e=001tfIAKmXWdkX-hIINgfxPs7PbiRSYEv9z3T3Z3v19KuGQ4sglAlsR8l5IE6nNoTaOJpo2EE4dT-vC9cZ3yTtpyotKNwcHbXaNuKSRjepKK9EYCM09nxB50gwKub2u_58B0IRQcF32uLREqVH--SuXbw== > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Contact Information > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~email: pz at motorsportcollector.comphone > : 630.515.1440web: http://www.motorsportcollector.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Forward email > http://ui.constantcontact.com/sa/fwtf.jsp?m=1101294199427&ea=blang%40mit.edu&a=1102219534152 > > > > > > This email was sent to blang at mit.edu by pz at motorsportcollector.com. > > Update Profile/Email Address > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=oo&v=001B21k9fjlSbS4Cc9i0GXDYTW7fQFGvAAoFQr0j73FRjGfYzmnFBfXffASl09EP7p6G6c-qkRljYY%3D > > Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe(TM) > http://visitor.constantcontact.com/d.jsp?p=un&v=001B21k9fjlSbS4Cc9i0GXDYTW7fQFGvAAoFQr0j73FRjGfYzmnFBfXffASl09EP7p6G6c-qkRljYY%3D > > Privacy Policy: > http://ui.constantcontact.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp > > > > > Email Marketing by > Constant Contact(R) > www.constantcontact.com > > > > > The Motorsport Collector | 5120 Belmont Road | Suite L | Downers > Grove | IL | 60515 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 28 15:36:09 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:36:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT In-Reply-To: <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> References: <024f01c90878$2fb4de10$8f1e9a30$@net> <001e01c90952$719ccec0$54d66c40$@net> Message-ID: <6DA5F5D6-ABC3-4BC0-9971-9FFF4F3D8AA0@bnj.com> I've always maintained that to drive Mosport well you have to grow a third testicle. I don't know what the ladies do. An extra testicle would come in handy at Watkins Glen as well, it's not easy and there's some places that you REALLY don't want to screw up. On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:10 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > Mosport is a great track and always a good time. My first laps on it > years back were with what would be group 6 cars if they were in an > SVRA event. Talk about feeling like a bug on the windshield. What a > track to develop a rhythm on. From turn 1 through 5b you?re on your > toes, short nap down the back then the rapid sequence of 8, 9 and > 10. I love it, but certainly more enjoyable with all four tires on > the deck. Hard to steer while on the rollbar! > > Just to clarify on the Sprite incident , I have since been assured > by Jack Woehrle if I had reported the punt at the Glen to him or > Carl directly it would have been investigated even though the other > party had booked out quickly before I could find him. Hopefully none > of us will have that situation again. > > Russ > > From: Bill Babcock [mailto:Billb at bnj.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:15 PM > To: Russ Moore > Cc: Friends of Triumph > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > I'm very familiar with turn 8 at Mosport, a fine place for an > accident. I never went through that turn the same way twice. If it > has an apex I never found it. I'm glad you didn't hang up your > gloves, see you at the Glen. > > On Aug 27, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Russ Moore wrote: > > > Bill, > I had an incident similar to yours two years ago in my Spitfire at > turn 8 at Mosport. I had passed a driver in a borrowed Sprite and > she tried a Bonsai pass inside me on 8 which is a very high speed > sweeping right hander. She lost it and hit her brakes. Her left > front corner hit my right rear and I was instantly on my rollbar. I > am just now getting all back together and will be at Watkins. I have > seen over the past 19 years how some folks suffer from the red mist > syndrome and cause incidents they seemingly can get away with. This > latest one almost caused me to hang up my gloves. 5 years ago at the > Glen I had an orange Sprite punt me in turn 7. At the time I thought > I had hit oil but the dent and orange paint revealed otherwise. SVRA > let it go because ?they didn?t witness it?. > In reading your accounting of the event it was like d?j?-vu. The > other driver the day after blamed me for the incident and I could > never get VARAC to take any action. Yep, her left front corner and > my right rear, ??????? I had to replace the entire front end, the > whole rollbar structure and build a new engine all because she > didn?t like being passed. Jeez. > > In any case, here?s to a safe and enjoyable weekend at The Glen this > year. > Best regards > > Russ Moore > Spitfire #49 > > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] > On Behalf Of Bill Babcock > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:22 PM > To: BillDentin at aol.com > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen The Legends Speak The FOT > > It was 150 cars last year, and everyone that wanted to go, got to > go. This year as one of the featured elements we might get some > special treatment. I doubt they'll have us leading off the thing, > but they might at least stick us all together. > > It was really fun, I wouldn't miss it. And Diane will need a ride > for anyone that has an open seat (they wouldn't let her sit on > Peyote's fuel cell, I can't imagine why). She is in NYC this week, > visiting a friend, but she packed her leather helmet and goggles. > Pictures, here, but a warning too, there are pictures of an injured > LBC (more injured than I thought at the time. Tony Garmey is STILL > working on Peyote to get it ready for Watkins Glen. I'm glad I took > it to Tony, it wouldn't have been ready, and for many, MANY reasons > I don't want to miss this race). If you have a weak stomach you > probably want to have some Mylanta handy. Also I made a disparaging > remark about the SVRA's handling of the accident that I apologized > for later. I left the remark in place because the apology wouldn't > make sense without it. http://www.allaluminumtour.com/?p=263 > > Bill > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Aug 28 15:55:00 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill, 1927 - 2008 (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very sad news indeed. The sport needs more men like Phil Hill. Terry Stetler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 16:05:58 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:05:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent References: Message-ID: <012b01c9095a$4291ae40$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Kind of like "Ain't no such thing as luck, you make your own" Some guy named Shelby said it, I think. I'll be at the Glen around noon Wednesday; If I can be of assistance to anyone, call my cell 814 566-6542. It's my 40th anniversary of going there. I've had some great times there and hope to have some more. See you there, Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6----- Original Message ----- From: Kramer, Robert To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; Group44TR7 at aol.com ; wensley_Tr at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent That would be Vince Lombardi, and one of my favorite quotes: "Gentlemen, we are going to relentlessly chase perfection, knowing full well that we will not catch it, because nothing is perfect. But we are going to relentlessly chase it, because in the process we will catch excellence" Bob Kramer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:39 AM To: Group44TR7 at aol.com; wensley_Tr at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Cc: bdischer at blakedischer.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Triumph Paddock Alert!!!!! - Mini Event Poster at WPTA Tent Maybe Joe A should start a signup sheet for "carless" drivers to help drive racecars whose owners have scheduling conflicts between their track time and other events :). Cary, "Joe" is not going to start any more projects or do anymore new coordinating. I really love doing this, but my dad always told me about his plow horses. He said they have a bad habit of eating all of the oats put in front of them. Kind of like people and peanuts. This is going to be great, but expect some rain to fall. This the "seach for perfection, but perfection is not attainable. But it leads to excellence". Paraphrased from someone I cant remember. joe :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Thu Aug 28 16:04:28 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! References: Message-ID: <00a101c9095a$0b2c5090$0201a8c0@Bevan> If it helps, I'm flying in to Boston from London Heathrow on Virgin Atlantic. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? 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Only thing is, my Sony Camcorder still runs Hi8 and isn't digital, but its fully charged with a new tape and even has a tripod!!!!!!! Anyone willing to push the record button for me? Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [Fot] The Legends Speak we need a videographer. FoT, Our Legends Speak at 3:00PM on Friday at the Glen. We need one or more videographers to record this for posterity. Perhaps someone already planned to this? Thanks, Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 16:55:30 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:55:30 +0000 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Message-ID: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional > license > first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be > novices at > first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of > testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. > nobody > wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about > $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. > thx > again, > t.a. moser > He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, > but he has done a bit of homework at least. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 28 17:57:24 2008 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:57:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs References: Message-ID: <037501c90969$d1888150$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Oh my, I need to get the WPTA tent to WG much earlier than I thought I needed to. I'll see what can be done! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs FOT, Bob Williams, Chief of Safety & Tech Inspections sends this note to all of us. Print it out and keep it with you. You will need it if you forget the information. Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SVRA TECH. Notice for Triumph Safety & Tech Inspection at Watkins Glen 08 vintage Event.Any entrant that was teched at Thunderbolt need only show up at the Glen tech area with a log book and tech will be completed without the car or driver's gear present. Trimuphs not at Thunderbolt can have their cars teched at the WPTA Hospitality Tent between the hours of 10:45am to 12:45.pm on THUR. SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With my guy from Japan, the car stayed with me until a sizable cash deposit was after he looked at the car. He came all the way from Japan, so asking him to come look at the car first hand isn't too much to ask. Ask him to bring cash or send a money order as previously mentioned and stick to your guns. I hope you get pleasantly surprised. I got to go home and start packing. Bob ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:23 PM To: emanteno at comcast.net; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stutzmans at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:46:25 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:46:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs References: <037501c90969$d1888150$6401a8c0@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: <00cd01c90970$aabe11a0$c80aa8c0@D9DGQM31> GEEZ - we'd have to leave Wed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Van Vlack To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net ; Bruce Stutzman ; Ed Woods ; Ed Major Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs Oh my, I need to get the WPTA tent to WG much earlier than I thought I needed to. I'll see what can be done! JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: jerryvv at roadrunner.com ; JWoesvra at aol.com ; ibexbob at ptd.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:45 PM Subject: Announcement: Watkins Glen Tech Inspection for Triumphs FOT, Bob Williams, Chief of Safety & Tech Inspections sends this note to all of us. Print it out and keep it with you. You will need it if you forget the information. Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ SVRA TECH. Notice for Triumph Safety & Tech Inspection at Watkins Glen 08 vintage Event.Any entrant that was teched at Thunderbolt need only show up at the Glen tech area with a log book and tech will be completed without the car or driver's gear present. Trimuphs not at Thunderbolt can have their cars teched at the WPTA Hospitality Tent between the hours of 10:45am to 12:45.pm on THUR. SVRA will provide two or three dedicated inspectors to do Triumphs only at the tent. The entrant will still need to go to the tech area to get his paper work in exchange for dropping off the medical form. Cars not teched at the WPTA tent by 12:45pm will need to present the cars at the tech building via the normal process. Have a great event. We are really looking forward to the Trimuphs at the Glen 08 !!!!! Bob Williams SVRA Chief of Safety & TECH Inspections ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.6.10/1638 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:06 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:50:31 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:50:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: Message-ID: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 18:59:42 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:59:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser References: Message-ID: <01c001c90972$85f7efb0$0302a8c0@Bud> Hi Irv...There have been at least 3 times that i sold motorcycles on Ebay, and then could not contact the buyer..each time the buyer came through fine...There were other times when Scams were tried..especially one time with a cashier's check...YOU CANNOT TRUST A CASHIER'S CHECK OR MONEY ORDER..unless it's a postal money order that can be scanned at any post office...Then, you must cash it immedietly because it can be stopped. Think positive..stay quiet..and simply protect yourself...and if all else fails, keep asking us for advice and become completely paranoid... D.B. Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: emanteno at comcast.net ; fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Irv, There is a Teek A Moser in Olympia 50 years old. There is a Theresa A Moser in Olympia 59 years old. You might be able to trip him up with that information. Joe A Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjl at gt-classics.com Thu Aug 28 19:15:33 2008 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:15:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E.11.06516.FBD47B84@smtp06.embarq.synacor.com> At 08:05 PM 8/28/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. > > >Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won >National Championships in recent history. > >They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too >young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) > >They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they >are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic >Motorsport English Pub. > >Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get >out of them... 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URL: From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 04:50:02 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:50:02 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> Message-ID: <012101c908fb$d3848260$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Bud I think it depends on who you ask. Is Michael Schumaker a legend? Age 29. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; HARDY CATPUSHER PRENTICE Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... 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URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:24:11 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:24:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <01a101c90971$3d4b9dd0$0302a8c0@Bud> <012101c908fb$d3848260$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <020201c9097e$535fdb10$0302a8c0@Bud> Woohooo..You bet...How old do we have to get?...Well..the older the better as far as Me and most racers are concerned! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Preiss To: RACER BUD Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Bud I think it depends on who you ask. Is Michael Schumaker a legend? Age 29. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; HARDY CATPUSHER PRENTICE Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen Hardy is old enough to be a legend(sorry Hardy)...I knew him from San francisco region in 1970 when i raced a TR4 and he a Tr3..what is the cutoff date? Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 5:05 PM Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... Regards, Joe Alexander -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From budscars at comcast.net Thu Aug 28 20:28:54 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:28:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen References: <8E.11.06516.FBD47B84@smtp06.embarq.synacor.com> Message-ID: <022901c9097e$fbac6b80$0302a8c0@Bud> Kas..do you know what the cutoff date is? RB ----- Original Message ----- From: R. John Lye To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hardy Prentice and Jack Wheeler to Join The FOT at The Glen At 08:05 PM 8/28/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FOT, Two National Champions in Triumphs will be our Honored Guests. Hardy Prentice in a his TR3 and Jack Wheeler in his TR4A won National Championships in recent history. They might have been part of The Legends Speak, but they are too young to be Legends. (I dont know what the cutoff date is) They will be Head Quartered at the WPTA Hospitality Tent when they are not out and about the track, or playing darts at the Classic Motorsport English Pub. Please greet them and then get all of the speed secrets you can get out of them... You'll definitely get some good stories from Hardy (Hi Hardy, wish I was going to be there to say "hi")! R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 28 21:23:48 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:23:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill Message-ID: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? mjb. From Keith.Files at vocalink.com Thu Aug 28 11:35:09 2008 From: Keith.Files at vocalink.com (Keith Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! Message-ID: Dear All, Many thanks for all your comments and help; it is much appreciated. Here is what is happening; I will fly into Newark on Thursday 4th and will arrive at 13:15 US time. Cannot get a flight to Binghampton as all full so will take a flight to Buffalo to meet up with Cliff and then onto WG; eta for Thursday evening is around 8pm. Joe, the airline schedules do not allow me to make the 5:30 session but we have all day Friday Saturday and Sunday to play. Cheers, Keith -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sohl To: N197TR4 at cs.com ; Keith Files ; fot at autox.team.net CC: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thu Aug 28 18:07:35 2008 Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to flyin? Help! We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also: cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ________________________________ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ***************************************************** This email is issued by a VocaLink group company. It is confidential and intended for the exclusive use of the addressee only. You should not disclose its contents to any other person. If you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to the addressee), please notify the originator immediately by return message and destroy the original message. 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Kurt Oblinger Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 22:10:58 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:10:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Found it; 11-28-54 Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - 1st in class I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered why he took this drive. Kurt Oblinger Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:31:46 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:31:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B7745F.506@verizon.net> Message-ID: on 8/29/08 12:00 AM, Kurt Oblinger at koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Yes, at least once. I believe at Torrey Pines he drove a TR2. I think > the car was owned by Cal Sales. I'll check my library. > > I met and talked to Phil a number of times. A great champion and > gentleman. To Phil Hill, congratulations on a life well lived. > > Kurt Oblinger > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >> >> mjb. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Yes Dorothy Deen coaxed him into racing a T at 2 for Her at an early race in Torry Pines July 1954 ist in Classs 10th Overall From Billb at bnj.com Thu Aug 28 22:37:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:37:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> My memory of the conversation I had with him is not fresh (neither is my memory of what I had for dinner tonight), but as I recall he said he had a TR2 or 3, perhaps as a street car? That might explain why he took the ride. He expressed great fondness for them. In the conversations I had with him (fewer and shorter than I would have liked) he always impressed me as a guy who wouldn't exaggerate even to be nice. Well mannered but straightforward. On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > Found it; > > 11-28-54 > Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca > Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th > overall - > 1st in class > > I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been > driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always > wondered > why he took this drive. > > Kurt Oblinger > > > Mark J Bradakis wrote: >> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >> >> mjb. From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:41:51 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: on 8/28/08 11:23 PM, Mark J Bradakis at mark at bradakis.com wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? > > mjb. Yes Dorothy Deen coaxed him into racing a TR2 for Her at an early race - Torrey Pines July 1954 I believe 1st in Classs 10th Overall From trhouse at greenapple.com Thu Aug 28 22:47:00 2008 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> Message-ID: on 8/29/08 12:10 AM, Kurt Oblinger at koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > Found it; > > 11-28-54 > Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca > Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - > 1st in class > > I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been > driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered > why he took this drive. > > Kurt Oblinger November sounds better---- according to Jim, Dorothy winked a lot at him and got him to race the car!!! From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 28 23:07:41 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill In-Reply-To: <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> <48B776D2.70305@verizon.net> <9CA58C92-E15A-4B85-BC98-CE3F52DEBB6A@bnj.com> Message-ID: <48B7841D.4080306@verizon.net> A few years ago I started working up a magazine article for British Car on well known drivers who raced Triumphs early on in their careers. Dan Gurney's first road race was at Torrey Pines in 1955 in a TR2. Jim Clark rallied a TR2 early on and later drove a TR3 in some club races. Vic Elford rallied a Vitesse before becoming an endurance ace. Kurt O. Bill Babcock wrote: > My memory of the conversation I had with him is not fresh (neither is > my memory of what I had for dinner tonight), but as I recall he said > he had a TR2 or 3, perhaps as a street car? That might explain why he > took the ride. > He expressed great fondness for them. In the conversations I had with > him (fewer and shorter than I would have liked) he always impressed me > as a guy who wouldn't exaggerate even to be nice. Well mannered but > straightforward. > On Aug 28, 2008, at 9:10 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote: > >> Found it; >> >> 11-28-54 >> Torrey Pines Road Races, Torrey Pines, Ca >> Race 3 - Phil Hill - Triumph TR2 - Entrant Dorothy Deen - 10th overall - >> 1st in class >> >> I always meant to ask Phil about this race. By this time he had been >> driving the big cars in the top classes for some time. I always wondered >> why he took this drive. >> >> Kurt Oblinger >> >> >> Mark J Bradakis wrote: >>> Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? >>> >>> mjb. > > From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Fri Aug 29 01:05:31 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:05:31 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hill References: <48B76BC4.8040201@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <020201c909a5$a0657fb0$0201a8c0@Bevan> MJB wrote: > Did the late, great Phil Hill ever drive a Triumph? I saw him and spoke to him on a number of occasions at the BMIHT museum in the UK when he brought over parties of North American visitors. Apart from being one of the most courteous of treasured motoring history icons (you'd be amazed at how many are/were arrogant and just downright rude!) he also demonstrated a very full and detailed grasp of the UK's motor industry evolution, the makes and models that made up the vehicle groups and their performance attributes. IMHO, you don't get that level of knowledge just reading books. You'll have driven the cars for some meaningful mileages, met and spoken with the people who designed and made them and got to know a lot more about all aspects in some detail. While this summary doesn't answer Mark's question, Phil Hill's knowledge was at such a level of refinement that I'd be very surprised if he hadn't driven all the Triumph sports cars extensively because it was clear he knew a great deal about the big saloons, their international rally car derivatives as well as the smaller and more sedate/budget priced non-sports cars. John Macartney From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 06:26:55 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:26:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen Message-ID: The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. Marty _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_yahoo_082008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Aug 29 06:42:03 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:42:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen Message-ID: Talk to Bob Williams, our Chief of Tech. He lives in Wellesboro and does motorcycle tours all over PA. I'm sure he can give you some route instructions. Wellesboro is just south of Corning and is the beginning of the Grand Canyon of the East. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director jwoesvra at aol.com 803-463-5388 FAX 803-794-8747 701 Center Street West Columbia, SC 29169 In a message dated 8/29/2008 8:27:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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Can't address the legend thing... rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 08:22:46 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:22:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Message-ID: FOT EXCLUSIVE: Randy Cook, well known and long time Saab Racer has rented a house and has a room available. Randy is a close friend of Ed Diehl's and will be coming to the Triumph Paddock to visit us. See particulars below from Randy. If you need a room, I wouldnt hesitate on checking this one out. Joe Alexander's Travel Service. (If someone latches onto this room let everyone know so Randy doesnt spend all of his time answering the phone....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------- Joe, Price for the room is $55 per couple per night. See you at the track. Randy Cook Cell 850-445-9299 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 29 08:48:37 2008 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <403228.69590.qm@web81002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sure - I can push a button.? We will work out the details at the track. --- On Fri, 8/29/08, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Legends Speak - Downtown where? To: sbracing at sbcglobal.net, fot at autox.team.net Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 8:54 AM See attachment...Steve can you do the video. John Macartney has a video camera and a tripod. All you need to do ius push button. ?Thanks! ?Joe A Amici - Where will the Legends Speak take place take place downtown? ?And where do I park? ?And it is at 3:00 PM? Looking forward to getting back to the Glen. ?My last visit was in 1968 to watch the Howmet (sp?) turbine cars run the Six Hour race. See you all downtown on Friday. ?This is going to be a great weekend! Thumbs Up. Steve Benford Jr. Cell - 847-682-7718 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 08:55:53 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: Message-ID: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen. The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised - chalk it up to a communications failure among the "vintage" parties involved in the production effort, whose old Lucas wiring systems were not working at full connectivity! The shirts look great, but the Triumphs at the Glen Race artwork ended up on the front of the shirt instead of the back, there is no FOT logo on the front left (that's the screw-up) and as previously noted, there is now a black armband on the left that says "Jack Drews 1936-2008" . Ted says the shirts look terrrific - excellent color and good outwork, but we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was advertised. If anyone decides this is not what you bargained for, just let us know and we will sell it to someone else. We only ordered a few extras so they will be in short supply anyway. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Fri Aug 29 09:09:15 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> References: <6FC0C74F8BA64B1BB2EE72A214661A56@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <8CAD800563CDC93-7E0-CC@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen.? The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised....we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was advertised.... ==AM== I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 09:13:20 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:13:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: Scott & Ted Position of artwork is not likely a big issue, as most of us dont know whether we are coming or going. The front sounds fine to me. The substitution of "Jack Drews" on the sleeve was approved by me. I dont see that as a screw up. Is the FOT mentioned anywhere? I have not seen any advance artwork. Great job by all.....thanks for letting us know. Price reduction is appreciated, I am sure. I will buy all that is not sold. No loose ends there. Joe Alexander > For those of you who ordered the FOT Glen Tee shirts, hats and embroidered > shirts, Ted is busy packing them up and will have them for you at the Glen. > The tee shirt ended up coming out slightly different then advertised - chalk > it up to a communications failure among the "vintage" parties involved in the > production effort, whose old Lucas wiring systems were not working at full > connectivity! > > The shirts look great, but the Triumphs at the Glen Race artwork ended up on > the front of the shirt instead of the back, there is no FOT logo on the > front left (that's the screw-up) and as previously noted, there is now a black > armband on the left that says "Jack Drews 1936-2008" . > > Ted says the shirts look terrrific - excellent color and good outwork, but > we are reducing the price from $19 to $15 as we are not delivering what was > advertised. If anyone decides this is not what you bargained for, just let us > know and we will sell it to someone else. We only ordered a few extras so > they will be in short supply anyway. > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 29 09:18:30 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:18:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: > I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's > already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 > difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a > charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? > Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.janzen at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 10:18:19 2008 From: s.janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts References: Message-ID: I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Aug 29 10:21:11 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:21:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: In a message dated 08/29/2008 11:15:33 AM Central Daylight Time, s.janzen at comcast.net writes: > I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he > is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. > If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to > the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority > on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum > in question is $560. > Certainly...it should be whatever is MOST convenient to you guys who are doing all of the work. Seems if people have been over charged, they can seek a refund, or make an contribution to Uncle Jack's fund. If they are charged correctly, they will be 'whole and happy', and can still make a contribution to Uncle Jack's fund on their own should they choose to. Bill Dentinger ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Aug 29 10:34:29 2008 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:34:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts Message-ID: <380-220088529163429414@M2W006.mail2web.com> I vote to leave the original price at $19 and donate the overage to Uncle Jack's memorial fund. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Scott Janzen s.janzen at comcast.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 To: BillDentin at aol.com, Herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 10:42:04 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:42:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> I'm with Bill, stay with the original amount and use the extra for Uncle Jacks Fund or FOT. Gary Horstkorta From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Gary Horstkorta From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:18 AM To: BillDentin at aol.com; Herald948 at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In a message dated 08/29/2008 10:10:44 AM Central Daylight Time, herald948 at aol.com writes: I (sadly) won't be at the Glen, so my shirt is being mailed. It's already bought and paid for, and I'm not that worried about the $4 difference. Is there some sort of FoT-related fund, or perhaps a charity in honor of Uncle Jack, to which my $4 might be directed? Andy... Most appropriate. There is an Uncle Jack Memorial Fund set up, and hopefully others will follow your lead. Bill Dentinger Good for you. It's not often we Triumph folk see a Herald (tsk) in the lead. ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is probably Rt. 86, the old Rt 17/ Southern Tier Expressway, that you're referring to. It goes across the southern part of NY state. It is kind of deserted in spots. Bath/Hammondsport is a nice area, not far from the Glen. It's a hike to Olean, the next bigger city. Just north of Salamanca is Ellicottville, a neat resort/ski area with nice restaurants and shops. Jamestown is next, birthplace of Lucille Ball. Then I90 and Erie. Nice park at Presque Isle. Joe and Uncle Jack stopped by last spring. Joe picked up dinner and I bought ice cream at the park. Lots of places to stay and eat around Erie. Next is Ohio, home of those dreadful Buckeyes! But you knew that. Hope this helps. See you next week. Bill PS, top off your tanks in Ohio or PA, gas is more expensive in NY. ----- Original Message ----- From: marty sukey To: FOT Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:26 AM Subject: [Fot] Way Home from Glen The wife and I are going to make the trip home to Ohio a leisurely one. Probable leave the track Sunday after things wrap up and spend the night someplace mid Pennsylvania off 87. Any of you PA folks have anywhere neat to suggest? Something nice and quiet not too touristy. You know, someplace the wife can take me out to diner and wine and dine me and show her appreciation for me taking her to the race track for the weekend and letting her hang with all you celebrities. Marty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 12:16:35 2008 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:16:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The FOT and VTR (WPTA) are honoring Joe & Dottie Richards at the Glen. 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He was waiting for the Ferrari transporter to arrive so he could get in some practice for the sports car race (1,000km?)coming up that weekend (he had never run on the 'Ring before). I offered him the use of my TR.2, but he declined. Instead he went out in his rental VW Beetle to start coming down the learning curve. 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Pacific Daylight Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: From: N197TR4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen To: OldSaabRacer at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FOT EXCLUSIVE: Randy Cook, well known and long time Saab Racer has rented a house and has a room available. Randy is a close friend of Ed Diehl's and will be coming to the Triumph Paddock to visit us. See particulars below from Randy. If you need a room, I wouldnt hesitate on checking this one out. Joe Alexander's Travel Service. (If someone latches onto this room let everyone know so Randy doesnt spend all of his time answering the phone....) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From herald948 at aol.com Fri Aug 29 12:30:10 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:30:10 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts In-Reply-To: References: <004b01c909f6$2b817900$82846b00$@racer@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CAD81C6776D384-7E0-F31@WEBMAIL-DG13.sim.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen well - Ted already started running credit cards thru at?$15, so we are going to leave it like that.? He will have an envelope for FOT /Uncle Jack donations when you pick up the shirts if you want to make an extra donation.? Sorry?for the confusion!? ==AM== That's fine. Is there a postal address and a preferred way to make out a check for those of us who can't be there? I still want to toss that extra $4 into whatever fund.... --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 29 12:43:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:43:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Message-ID: Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cartravel at pobox.com Fri Aug 29 12:48:26 2008 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tech at The Glen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B8447A.20905@pobox.com> Does SVRA have reciprocity with other clubs? Some clubs will honor our annual tech with CVAR, which is noted in our log book. Does SVRA? Larry Young N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT Entrants: > > As indicated in earlier emails......Arrangements have been made to > tech the Triumphs in one location. This will save time for the > Triumphs and SVRA. The WPTA Hospitality Tent could be used > temporarily for this function. Have everything ready to tech and Bob > Williams will be a happy man. If you went to Thunderbolt you will > only need your Log Book. Joe Alexander > > See below from Jack Woerhle: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Sounds good to me. The Triumph corral will be outside the south gate >> of the garage area and they will have a tent. You might want to >> communicate with Joe Alexander on the exact location. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> SVRA Technical Director >> jwoesvra at aol.com >> 803-463-5388 >> FAX 803-794-8747 >> 701 Center Street >> West Columbia, SC 29169 >> In a message dated 8/27/2008 9:42:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> ibexbob at ptd.net writes: >> >>> I am going to post a notice that anyone that went through Thunderbolt >>> TECH. need only bring their log book to TECH. to get passed through for >>> the Glen. I'll have a special time for the Trimuph people and >>> inspectors >>> to go to them since there are Forty cars in one place. >>> Thunderbolt was a very good and complete inspection with an >>> excellant crew >>> that took proper time with each inspection. >>> OK? >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vintage.racer at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 13:05:23 2008 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary Horstkorta) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:05:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00cc01c90a0a$31ba8d70$952fa850$@racer@comcast.net> Joe: There will be an article in the Festival program about TS1 LO along with a couple of photos. Gary From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:44 AM To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; glendagephart at htva.net; glenda at racingarchives.org; mshoemaker at theglen.com; FirstTR2 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: "robert bownes" Subject: [Fot] WG get together Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 Size: 644 URL: From bownes at seiri.com Fri Aug 29 13:31:27 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:31:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: Indeed.... You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. 2008/8/29 > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "robert bownes" > > I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it > be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it > went to but darned if I can remember. > > > Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely > bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. > > ;-) > > Irv > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "robert bownes" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 > Subject: [Fot] WG get together > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. ;-) Irv ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 15:03:17 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:03:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing Message-ID: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Right, something interesting I've been asked. If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I run in. Background; 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. Questions; 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other Triumphs I should consider? 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. A. -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 16:33:22 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Greg, We look forward to your presence in the PNW. I've had professional moved a few times. It's weird to watch some truck driver head down the road with nearly everything you own. In my case, it was my TR3 and TR8 too. Hurry up Greg. It starts to rain in a month and a half. Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fred peralta; Scott Paceley; Heather Gillett; don.clegg at carle.com; renee.potter at carle.com; barry.brehm at carle.com Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 16:39:26 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:39:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser In-Reply-To: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <082820082255.29973.48B72CE100050F8C000075152205884484970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07ba01c90a28$187c51e0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Irv, If I can help in any way, please let me know. I'm about an hour away form Olympia Jack _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:56 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] More from Mr Moser Hey Bill, To my surprise, I heard more from T A Moser. Below is his message: http://www.sovren.org/Page_17.html hello! thank you for your reply. we are in olympia, washington. we plan on racing within the SOVREN VINTAGE RACING authority. (see their address above.) i will obtain their provisional license first, then proceed to get a full competition license. yes we will be novices at first, but as the sovren site will show, they put novices thru a mountain of testing and classroom as well as on track observation. makes sense to me. nobody wants a knucklehead driver out there mucking things up! ok sir how about $xxxxx for that sweet TR4? we hope to hear back soon as we are ready to roll. thx again, t.a. moser He still hasn't asked any questions, and I'm still convinced it is a scam, but he has done a bit of homework at least. Irv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerrybarr at charter.net Fri Aug 29 16:59:17 2008 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:59:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: <082920081911.26886.48B849DF0002283C000069062205886014970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <99EBE6F9-8A32-4D73-BF21-6DDC85FA4275@charter.net> I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: > Indeed.... > > You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. > > Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. > > > > 2008/8/29 > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "robert bownes" > > I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. > Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob > Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. > > > Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his > lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. > > ;-) > > Irv > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "robert bownes" > To: fot at autox.team.net > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 > Subject: [Fot] WG get together > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jibjib at att.net Fri Aug 29 17:45:03 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 16:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Chuck Arnold In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0808281244j5571174etdf9f6c09dd33849e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07c801c90a31$434b8db0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Chuck, I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your mother. I also understand how you feel about The Glen. I was trying to get there also, as I will be in Connecticut Monday-Thursday of that week on business, but could not tie up all the loose ends required to go out there in time to enjoy the weekend. Please keep us informed about the time and location of the funeral. My thoughts are with you and your family. Jack Covington, WA _____ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:44 PM To: Friends; Triumph; TR list Subject: [Fot] B&B available at the Glen event My mother, God rest her soul, died yesterday after a short sickness but many years of pain. I will always miss her,but am glad Ruth Arnold the person has gone to be with her husband in a happier and pain free place. That being said, it was a bad time to die for me as the funeral is Saturday the 6th. I am, therefore,having to cancel my trip to the Glen. I have a B&B reserved for 4 nights [Thurs-Sun] right in downtown Watkins Glen [Blossums B&B]. I have not yet let the proprieter know. IF anyone is interested in taking over this reservation, let me know today and when I cancel I will give them your contact information. 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I still want to toss that extra > $4 into whatever fund.... --Andy Mace From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Aug 29 18:10:27 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <083020080010.3186.48B88FF30001CC1600000C722200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Jerry, Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jerry Barr I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: Indeed.... You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. 2008/8/29 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "robert bownes" I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. 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I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. > > Questions; > > 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other > Triumphs I should consider? > 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? > > Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 19:20:59 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:20:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> What is a "Special"? Thanks. A. 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster > and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race > car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable > candidate in the baseme > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > > Right, something interesting I've been asked. > If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I > run in. > > Background; > > 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. > 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. > 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. > 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. > > Questions; > > 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other > Triumphs I should consider? > 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? > > Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. > > A. > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 29 19:25:19 2008 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:25:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> Cars like peyote and the ambro are specials. Anything that ran in the modified class. I'd think of building an ambro triumph if I hadn't already bought ambro 001. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > What is a "Special"? > > Thanks. > > A. > > 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . > Faster and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I > wojuldnt build a race car from a production car again. Even though I > have a very suitable candidate in the baseme > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > >> Right, something interesting I've been asked. >> >> If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what >> would I run in. >> >> Background; >> >> 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. >> 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. >> 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. >> 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. >> >> Questions; >> >> 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other >> Triumphs I should consider? >> 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? >> >> Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> _______________________________________________ >> >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andre at gt6.ca Fri Aug 29 20:32:13 2008 From: andre at gt6.ca (Andre Rousseau) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Racing In-Reply-To: <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> References: <4362ae390808291403n1e749909i2fc33d80dad17424@mail.gmail.com> <4362ae390808291820k7c60248aoc4674a853e5687ca@mail.gmail.com> <2F9260F9-BC71-4296-8DC3-58F85AC784E5@bnj.com> Message-ID: <4362ae390808291932w5b00f210s9ad0c7058c988cd8@mail.gmail.com> Sweet, but I don't think it would be allowed to run in the "Sports Car" class with VARAC, it would be slotted into the Sports car class. Example... Well like yours :) http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/DSCN2308.html http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/IMG_8999.html I knew your name was familiar, met you back in 07 at Mosport. http://www.gt6.ca/mosport/07/slides/DSCN2309.html Love your trailer sir... Back to the class thing, I think for a novice, the sports car class might be a easier start. A. 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock > Cars like peyote and the ambro are specials. Anything that ran in the > modified class. I'd think of building an ambro triumph if I hadn't already > bought ambro 001. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 29, 2008, at 6:19 PM, "Andre Rousseau" wrote: > > What is a "Special"? > Thanks. > > A. > > 2008/8/29 Bill Babcock < BillB at bnj.com> > >> Personally I think specials are the best way to go vintage racing . Faster >> and often cheaper. A little harder to find perhaps. I wojuldnt build a race >> car from a production car again. Even though I have a very suitable >> candidate in the baseme >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, "Andre Rousseau" < >> andre at gt6.ca> wrote: >> >> Right, something interesting I've been asked. >> If I were to get into vintage racing in the next few years, what would I >> run in. >> >> Background; >> >> 1. I would run under the VARAC banner. >> 2. I would race in the historic sports car class. >> 3. I want a racer I can tow easily and maintain by myself. >> 4. I need something I can fit into, 6ft 2in, 225LBs. >> >> Questions; >> >> 1. I have a preference towards GT6's and Spits, but are there other >> Triumphs I should consider? >> 2. Do I stray from the Triumph brand? >> >> Lets hear it folks, I have plans and dreams. >> >> A. >> >> -- >> Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca >> '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - >> http://www.gt6.ca/ >> Ottawa, ON, Canada >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> > > > -- > Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca > '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ > Ottawa, ON, Canada > > -- Andre Rousseau - andre at gt6.ca '68 Triumph GT6 MK1 - http://www.gt6.ca/ Ottawa, ON, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 29 21:17:51 2008 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:17:51 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... In-Reply-To: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> References: <07af01c90a27$3f3c0470$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Message-ID: >I've had professional moved a few times. It's weird to watch some truck driver head down the road with nearly everything you own. In my case, it was my TR3 and TR8 too. When my wife and I moved from Philadelphia to El Reno Oklahoma in the late 70s the movers wrapped and packed the dust bunnies... >Hurry up Greg. It starts to rain in a month and a half. Oh goody! I'll have plenty of time to build my slot track! Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: jibjib at att.net To: greenman62 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Fading fast... Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700 Greg, We look forward to your presence in the PNW. Jack From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:30 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; fred peralta; Scott Paceley; Heather Gillett; don.clegg at carle.com; renee.potter at carle.com; barry.brehm at carle.com Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3400 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Fri Aug 29 22:03:04 2008 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:03:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] Subject: Fading fast... Message-ID: Welcome Greg & family, to the Beautiful Pacific North West! Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 18:30:22 +0000 From: Subject: [Fot] Fading fast... To: "fot at autox.team.net" , fred peralta , Scott Paceley , Heather Gillett , "don.clegg at carle.com" , "renee.potter at carle.com" , "barry.brehm at carle.com" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The movers showed up this morning to pack everything for the move to Oregon. I moved my family myself 5 times in the space of 3 years earlier in my life. Baving professional movers do the work a few times over the years is eye opening. It's amazing how the detritus your life can devolve into a pile of boxes in less than a day. To think I've been decrapifying for nearly a year! Leaving my home and friends here has been painful, more so than I originally thought it would be. Many of you have been like family to me... To say I'll miss you all doesn't even come close to covering it. I'll be camping out amongst the boxes for the next few days so the kitties can have daddy around until they fly out to Oregon next Wednesday. They have it easy... once there, they stay at "Kitty Cat Condos" luxury acommodations until I get things organized at my new digs in Lafayette. If all goes well, I'll be on the road sometime before noon on the 4th of Sept... in Lafayette sometime on the 8th. My furniture will show up between then and the 13th. If you haven't gotten my new address yet, here it is: Greg Petrolati 929 Jackson St. Lafayette, OR 97127 Of course my email address won't change Greg Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... 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Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Scott Janzen s.janzen at comcast.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:18:19 -0400 To: BillDentin at aol.com, Herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts I should have pointed out that Ted is only now charging credit cards as he is shipping out the shirts and hats, so the correct amount will be charged. If the sentiment is to leave the price at $19, the surplus funds will go to the FOT coffers. Please voice your opinion, and we will go with the majority on the price, and where to use the excess - with 140 shirts x $4 diff the sum in question is $560. From: BillDentin at aol.com To: Herald948 at aol.com ; s.janzen at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen Triumph Tee Shirts -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 30 05:52:46 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <0F5B2BA9.2E9ED6DF.00159EE9@cs.com> I wondered about that....now I remember. Joe & Jan We are near O'Hare collecting an OLDE ENGLISH ENGINE for use at the Glen. Yes Irv.... >Jerry, > >Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: Jerry Barr >I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. > >On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: > > >Indeed.... > >You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. > >Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. > > > > >2008/8/29 > > > >-------------- Original message -------------- >From: "robert bownes" > > >I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. >Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. >;-) >Irv > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: "robert bownes" >To: fot at autox.team.net >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 >Subject: [Fot] WG get together >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Aug 30 07:07:43 2008 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:07:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would indeed be me. I will be at the Glen but car will be staying home. If you happen to have seen the link of the in car video I posted last month from VTR, that was the car I was driving. If anybody lives near Bob and could snag these for me on the way to the Glen I would appreciate it. Thanks, Marty Sukey Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:02:47 -0400 From: bownes at seiri.com To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] WG get together I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. In any case, I found a package of documentation here that goes with it. if the new owner will be there and if someone is driving by my place I'd love to send it along. Otherwise, just an address would rock. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. 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URL: From Billb at bnj.com Sat Aug 30 10:57:46 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:57:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: <0F5B2BA9.2E9ED6DF.00159EE9@cs.com> References: <0F5B2BA9.2E9ED6DF.00159EE9@cs.com> Message-ID: <4487C44E-C37D-49C5-A3CD-8E7579EE3EC4@bnj.com> I'm sitting in the red carpet club at O'hare right now, waiting for a flight to Newark. Spending a few days in NYC and then driving to the glen. On Aug 30, 2008, at 6:52 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > I wondered about that....now I remember. > > Joe & Jan > > We are near O'Hare collecting an OLDE ENGLISH ENGINE for use at the > Glen. > > Yes Irv.... > >> Jerry, >> >> Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He >> used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words "Eat Cheese or Die" >> on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy >> V-6 in it. >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: Jerry Barr >> I don't think you can actually call Irv a Cheddar Head. Irv is from >> Illinois NOT Wisconsin which is the true Cheddar Head state. >> >> On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:31 PM, robert bownes wrote: >> >> >> Indeed.... >> >> You know who I bought that car from don't you? Cheddar head. >> >> Anyway. I found a big envelope full of receipts, etc. >> >> >> >> >> 2008/8/29 >> >> >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: "robert bownes" >> >> >> I know someone bought my old french blue spit that Ed Ceilly had. >> Will it be @ WGI? Or does anyone know who bought it, I think Bob >> Lang toldme who it went to but darned if I can remember. >> Marty Sukey is the new owner, and he will be at the Glen with his >> lovely bride Evelyn, whom he hopes will seduce him on the way home. >> ;-) >> Irv >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "robert bownes" >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:02:57 +0000 >> Subject: [Fot] WG get together >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Editor Ke Nalu e-Magazine Paddlesurfing's Web Journal Bill at kenalu.com www.kenalu.com blog: www.ponohouse.com/ponoblog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure it hurt poor Bob Kamholz' feelings, as he was proud of the car, but truth be told it was scary looking (even before you turned it on), and even if it could have 'passed Tech', the VSCDA had no real place for it. Seems to me Bob also had some sort of exotic Triumph powered special as well. If I remember, it was exotic, but also needed tons of renovation and restoration. I used to see him often in the 1980s and early 1990s. I first met Bob at an autocross he was running. He was very enthusiastic, and had set the whole thing up himself. I remember him as being a very special 'Character'. Very likable. Now that they have this Reality TV, I think he and his family could be making a fortune. Hell...he could afford to go racing like he really wanted to. I miss him. Bill (Damdinger). **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. 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He told the scrutineer that he had wrecked the car two weeks earlier and that he had spent every day and night since the wreck repairing it so that he could run in ELVF XII. Triumph was the Featured Marque. He told the scrutineer that he had been up all night and just finished painting it that morning at 2:30 and came straight to the track. It smelled like paint. He said that he painted it orange so that WHEN he spun out, he would be easily seen and avoided. Mind you, Bob was telling the scrutineer this as reasons he SHOULD be allowed to run. The scrutineer (I like saying scrutineer) allowed Bob to run Track Touring but no race group. I ran Track Touring in The Blue TR3 and noticed the orange car off at a turn. Later I asked him what happened and he replied, "In all the last minute rushing around to get the car ready, we forgot to put gas in it!" John H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emanteno at comcast.net Sat Aug 30 13:48:55 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:48:55 +0000 Subject: [Fot] WG get together Message-ID: <083020081948.6134.48B9A42700060EBA000017F62207003201970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: John Herrera Jerry, Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used to have a chedder color TR3, had the words 'Eat Cheese or Die' on the back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. Was this car at ELVF XII in 1996 freshly painted (that morning at 2:30 AM) International Orange? That is Bob and his cheddarmobile. He was genuinely surprised when VSCDA wouldn't let him run at the Vintage Festival. Then, when they gave him the okay to run touring laps in the car, a ball joint broke in the paddock while he was driving it to the grid. 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Russ, We are headed out sometime today but it looks like we will be taking a more leisurely tour on the way up to the Glen rather than busting to get there. Thank you for the kind offer to store my car. My wife has family in the Pittsburg area and I think we will be spending time there instead. They just visited us, 3 kids in tow and I'm still worn out from that experience. I was hoping to get some quiet time but family comes first. See you at the track. Thanks again, Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brad.kahler at 141.com Sat Aug 30 16:25:59 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:25:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] WG get together In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B9C8F7.90806@141.com> Bill, Bob's special was a Jamaican. You can see pictures here on our web site. http://www.141.com/triumphs/Jamaican.html Brad BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/30/2008 12:15:39 PM Central Daylight Time, > jrherrera90 at hotmail.com writes: > > >> <<< Jerry, >> >> Bob is referring to Bob Kamholtz, formerly of Genoa City, WI. He used >> to have a chedder color TR3, had the words 'Eat Cheese or Die' on the >> back, and raced it in Council as ASR becuase he put a Chevy V-6 in it. >> >> Was this car at ELVF XII in 1996 freshly painted (that morning at >> 2:30 AM) International Orange? >>> > > > Probably, but I don't believe it was never approved and/or allowed to > race at any sanctioned events. > > I am sure it hurt poor Bob Kamholz' feelings, as he was proud of the > car, but truth be told it was scary looking (even before you turned it > on), and even if it could have 'passed Tech', the VSCDA had no real > place for it. Seems to me Bob also had some sort of exotic Triumph > powered special as well. If I remember, it was exotic, but also > needed tons of renovation and restoration. > > I used to see him often in the 1980s and early 1990s. I first met Bob > at an autocross he was running. He was very enthusiastic, and had set > the whole thing up himself. I remember him as being a very special > 'Character'. Very likable. Now that they have this Reality TV, I > think he and his family could be making a fortune. Hell...he could > afford to go racing like he really wanted to. I miss him. > > Bill (Damdinger). > > **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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URL: From standardtriumph at btinternet.com Sat Aug 30 17:03:59 2008 From: standardtriumph at btinternet.com (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections References: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. Jonmac ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Preiss To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Did Standard Triumph ever develop formal connections with either of the big three U.S. automakers? Steve P. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Herald948 at aol.com Sat Aug 30 18:06:06 2008 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:06:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Message-ID: In a message dated 8/30/2008 7:05:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. As I recall, there also had been earlier discussions with Nash/Kelvinator, nee American Motors, about powering the Metropolitan. Of course, that ended up with BMC power and even an Austin badge in England (Nash or Hudson badge in the US). --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 30 18:07:29 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] Standard connections Message-ID: I thought I read some where that Nash (later, American Motors) was giving engines to Donald Healey, when he couldn't strike a deal with Chrysler, Ford or GM. And then, of course, American Motors later offered a little Metropolitan, which was sure Herald like in many aspects, and I think it had a British engine. Bill Dentinger In a message dated 8/30/2008 6:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 30 19:39:44 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Big" triumph e-mail list subscription Message-ID: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> Anyone know how to subscribe to the "Big" triumph e-mail listserve? It doesn't seem to be one of the autox.team.net lists... (subscribe triumphs returns invalid list or some such, and when I search for it, nothing looks likely). Thanks, Tony Drews From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 30 20:10:44 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] "Big" triumph e-mail list subscription In-Reply-To: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> References: <20080831013935.45D01187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20080831021034.867DD187648@autox.team.net> Got it now. Thanks Brad! - Tony At 08:39 PM 8/30/2008, Tony Drews wrote: >Anyone know how to subscribe to the "Big" triumph e-mail >listserve? It doesn't seem to be one of the autox.team.net >lists... (subscribe triumphs returns invalid list or some such, and >when I search for it, nothing looks likely). > >Thanks, Tony Drews From mlcooknj at msn.com Sat Aug 30 20:17:02 2008 From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to clarify a bit: The Nash (or Hudson) Metropolitan was built by Austin at the Longbridge plant and had a BMC 4-cyl, 1500, I believe. It was also marketed in the UK and Europe.Trouble is, it wasn't a sports car or an economy sedan so it was trying to create a new market niche and never penetrated. I don't know much about the potential Standard Triumph and Nash project but it could have had a lot of similarities to British Leyland. Nash was in financial trouble all through the '50s and joining up with Hudson and Packard didn't help. By 1964, American Motors was taking a whole new direction with Rambler as it's only product name. Nash, Hudson and Packard were all gone. Think what a drain AMC might have been on Standard-Triumph's finances even before ST sale went to hell in 1961. Mike Cook From: BillDentin at aol.comDate: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:29 -0400To: standardtriumph at btinternet.com; spreiss at verizon.net; fot at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Fot] Standard connections I thought I read some where that Nash (later, American Motors) was giving engines to Donald Healey, when he couldn't strike a deal with Chrysler, Ford or GM. And then, of course, American Motors later offered a little Metropolitan, which was sure Herald like in many aspects, and I think it had a British engine. Bill Dentinger In a message dated 8/30/2008 6:05:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, standardtriumph at btinternet.com writes: Not the US Big Three but in the late 1950's there was some 'exploration' undertaken on a joint manufacturing project with Nash Rambler. As I recall the concept was for the Rambler to be built in the UK in Right and Left drive variants using as much Standard-Triumph componentry as possible. Nash wanted to use ST's European and overseas distribution because its own was allegedly not too brilliant. Jeez, NR must have been pretty desperate as ST's own network outside the UK wasn't outstanding. Can't recall the detail of what Nash were going to do in the US to reciprocate, but I *think* it was to open the whole of its US and Canadian dealer networks for the ST sports car range - and possibly even make them under licence. The licensing opportunity was quite sensible because Nash (in theory) had far greater output capability than ST in the UK could ever hope to have. It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. 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Think > what a drain AMC might have been on Standard-Triumph's finances even before ST > sale went to hell in 1961. > Mike... Yeah. With such a limp effort, it's no wonder there was no penetration. Bill (Damdinger) ************** It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 31 08:48:06 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... Message-ID: <589745.97860.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Time is close now, ? so here is to all of you having fun at the glen...? I'll lift a glass of London Porter to you all on Sat night, and wish I were there with you. ? Have fun, be safe, and post lots of pics, videos and tales. ? I for one would love to see in car footage from that track so I can live vicariously through all of you.? Spit stuff especially... ? Go fast. ? Be safe. ? Dont break. ? Have fun. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm ? PS.? I'll be trying to get my engine together. #4 white spitfire -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Sun Aug 31 20:55:27 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:55:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Quick ratio steering box for a TR6 In-Reply-To: <016c01c90a53$eb856100$b1191718@computer> References: <016c01c90a53$eb856100$b1191718@computer> Message-ID: I had many of the same concerns before decideing on this up grade. Its not twitchy at all and works great. I had to adjust my turn in input on the first couple sessions but I stoped thinking about it quickly. I recently crashed (May) and had to replace it I debated just going back to one of the stock racks,but after installing the stock rack and turning while on plactic baggies in the garage and a friend conviceing me useing the old bent one was not wise I begrudingly payed up for a new one. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 11:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Quick ratio steering box for a TR6 This particular TR6 is never on the street. I mostly autocross, do some hillclimbs, and in the future will be doing some course racing. I believe that the quick ratio box would be ideal for autocross and even though speeds reach 90 mph on the hillclimbs, the straights are short enough, I believe the quick box would work there too. Not sure about course racing. Whether or not it would be too twitchy. Any thoughts on any of this would be greatly appreciated. I'm getting ready to go to solid mounts for the steering so it would be the time to swap the box out. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > From pcdelux at worldnet.att.net Sun Aug 31 21:54:17 2008 From: pcdelux at worldnet.att.net (Bill DeWar) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:54:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... References: <589745.97860.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002b01c90be6$699054e0$28524c0c@user90890nvpgh> Amici, Just this evening got the # 57 Stadel Ambro running again. Sounds like a big evil chainsaw. Thanks Uncle Jack,Ken G, and Glen Eff for all the help. Now off to the Glen. Rich Rock Bill DeWar ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 10:48 AM Subject: [Fot] fun at the glen ... Time is close now, so here is to all of you having fun at the glen... I'll lift a glass of London Porter to you all on Sat night, and wish I were there with you. Have fun, be safe, and post lots of pics, videos and tales. I for one would love to see in car footage from that track so I can live vicariously through all of you. Spit stuff especially... Go fast. Be safe. Dont break. Have fun. Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm PS. I'll be trying to get my engine together. #4 white spitfire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Sun Aug 31 23:23:33 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:23:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Standard connections In-Reply-To: <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> References: <008b01c90a66$d7adbfc0$2f01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <041f01c90af4$b09f07c0$0201a8c0@Bevan> Message-ID: <48BB7C55.4060803@bradakis.com> American car with British engine - Nash Healey British Car with American engine - Shelby Cobra Which one do *you* want? mjb. From clifford_files at yahoo.com Mon Aug 18 09:11:17 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Jack Drews Message-ID: <46409.5856.qm@web33804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Joe / Jan, ? Joe, this very sad news reached me yesterday - my?condolences to Francis and Tony. ? I know Jack will be missed yet it seemed fitting that Jack's passing happened?doing what he loved best. ? In writing back, I am also acknowledging your personal friendship with Jack which has been a strength to both of you over the years. ? These are trying times however, I am pleased that?the Kastner Cup will be dedicated to?Jack - that is very fitting and through this, his memory shall be long lived. ? Clifford ----- Original Message ---- From: "N197TR4 at cs.com" To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:45:21 AM Subject: Jack Drews FOT, Overwhelming response to Jack's death. ?No surprise. Francis & I spoke shortly after the accident and she was very composed. ?Her strength is beyond my understanding. Francis is truly a saint and responsible for much of who Jack was. Jan & I are still awaiting word of the Arrrangements, expecting Wednesday or Thursday. We expect to hear something today In the meantime, Watkins Glen will include some time to celebrate the Life & Times of Jack Drews. ?Likely this will be Saturday night in the TRIUMPH PADDOCK. ?While I have not spoken to Frances, nor Tony, since Saturday, I am hoping that they will find the strength to follow through with their plans to be at The Glen. The Kastner Cup Race will dedicated to the Memory of Jack Drews, the first recipient of the Cup. Thank you for all of the personal emails and calls. Jack & I spoke of our mortality, frequently when we were on one of our 'Senior Tours'. ?Jack was well prepared for this eventuality spiritually, and has spent much of his time preparing me. I hope I am worthy of his mentoring. I owe him much. Joe Alexander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 09:59:41 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! Message-ID: <15664.16203.qm@web33808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, it's Clifford here.? I'm traveling on Continental (Newark is one of the major hubs).? I am ending up in Buffalo which is a bit of a drive to Watkins however when I checked your 3 destinations it was very expensive compared to Buffalo. However, I think you may well be right in Binghampton and may be Rochester/Syracuse as Keith would be purchasing a through ticket ex the UK which means the domestic leg will just be a little add on owing to the transatlantic fare (thats how they normally do it!).? Us guys that live in the USA tend to get ripped off if we use commuter/business route which your three choices are - I'll run a check and see what the fares are like this end as sometimes its cheaper to book here... Clifford ----- Original Message ---- From: Joe Boruch To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net; clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:51:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly i n? Help! If driving from the airport, Newark would be best, but Keith, you may consider taking a shuttle flight from NY or Newark to Binghampton or Syracuse or Rochester. Binghampton is about an hour drive and Syracuse and Rochester about 1.5 hours. Joe(B) -- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? Cheers, Keith ____________________________________________________________ Learn digital and video photography techniques, lighting and printing. Click now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clifford_files at yahoo.com Thu Aug 28 12:49:45 2008 From: clifford_files at yahoo.com (Clifford Files) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! Message-ID: <428583.90084.qm@web33801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Guys, thanks for all your assistance.? I have now booked Keith to Buffalo, via Newark and Dana and I will meet up with him there and drive him to Watkins Glen.? Dana and I are staying over?at a hotel in?Ithana (20 odd miles east of Watkins). ? I will also take Keith back to Buffalo Monday morning (leaving Watkins at 3.15 am) - unless someone else is going that was that early (I MUST BE MAD LOL!). ? Again, thanks - now the only thing that is stopping me un-crossing all my appendages is getting the engine out of customs and down to Joe and Co tomorrow!!! ? Keep the faith......... ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Sohl To: N197TR4 at cs.com; Keith.Files at vocalink.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:07:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! We live about 45 miles from Newark. I agree, Newark is the much better choice. ? Bill Sohl PS - I can suggest a driving route from Newark to the Glen if needed. Feel free to call me also:? cell # 201-841-3501 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: Keith.Files at vocalink.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: clifford_files at yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen.......... New York or Newwark or where to fly in? Help! FoT, Keith Files (TR4) is flying from London on Thursday. It would nice if he got there for the 5:30 PM TR practice, however...... Given two choices of Newark and New York, I would pick Newark. But I need to defer to someone from the east coast. Or is there a better location to fly into? I know there are folks that are getting closer. Please help with response to "ALL" Thanks! Joe A Hi Joe, Looks like my flight will get into JFK around midday next Thurs, 2 questions: 1) Is it better to fly into Newark? 2) Where is Watkins Glen in relation to New York and how long will it take me to drive there? 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Gary's story and two photos are included in the program. glenda ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com ; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; FirstTR2 at aol.com ; mshoemaker at theglen.com ; glendagephart at htva.net ; glenda at racingarchives.org Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.13/1641 - Release Date: 8/29/2008 7:07 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mshoemaker at theglen.com Fri Aug 29 13:11:14 2008 From: mshoemaker at theglen.com (Shoemaker, Marianne) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:11:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E71A9409C8EF94A81F3EB76C2A0DE2603671D06@DABWINEXVS01.int.iscmotorsports.com> Hello!! I had a different understanding, based on long ago conversations... We had prepared a place of honor on the court house lawn right across from the main stage for the TS1 LO. This is where each year's car of honor is displayed... Our thinking was that it would be on display there all day during the festival and would be referred to during the part of the ceremonies that is for a tribute to Triumph. Participation in the Tour de Marque or any other of the "Rallye" events would preclude that. We had also thought that it would be on display at Thursday's PrixView Party at the track. But please let me know if we need to make other plans! Oh - the Tour de Marque is now full... we closed registration for that event some time ago, I think. Marianne Shoemaker Director of Guest and Special Services Watkins Glen International 2790 County Route 16 Watkins Glen, NY 14891 (607) 535-2486 ext. 256 Fax: (607) 535-3350 mshoemaker at theglen.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. International Speedway Corporation, 1901 West International Speedway Blvd., Daytona Beach, FL, 32114. www.iscmotorsports.com ________________________________ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 2:44 PM To: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; FirstTR2 at aol.com; Shoemaker, Marianne; glendagephart at htva.net; glenda at racingarchives.org Subject: Joe & Dottie Richards & TR2 TS1 LO at The Glen 3-7 September Will TS1 LO be driven in the Tour de Marque? Or be displayed downtown on Friday? Thanks, John H. John Herrera, I am glad you asked. I have lost track of the Village side of the planning. If Joe & Robert are not signed up for any of this stuff, and they want to participate, we will have an opportunity to petition them in on Thursday Evening. It seems fitting that TS1 LO be placed on display even if they are not registered for the concours. The Tour De Marque seems like an opportunity, if they wish to do this. The appearance of TR2 TS1 LO will greatly enhanced the experience at Watkins Glen. It needs to be seen. I know that was to be part of the Festival Program publication. I think our Gary Horstkorta submitted something. (but I am losing track of the elements...I have not been keeping notes on anything.) Joe ? Robert? What say ye? Glenda/Marianne? Anything to add? Joe Alexander Friends of Triumph -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 31 11:11:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:11:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Triumph People, Parts & Posters at The Glen Message-ID: ALL TRIUMPH FOLKS Some notes on the forthcoming Vintage Grand Prix at Watkins Glen with the featured car being our Triumphs. You all know, Ted Schumacher and he is almost 20 years into vending at The Glen. See Ted at his booth. While not vending at the Glen, folks like Richard Good, Tony Vigliotti, Matt Bakes, TRF, Moss, and A.R.E. will be represented. Look for them in the Triumph Paddock. Tony Drews will be bringing some inventory on the Heavy Duty Front Spindles and Spacers, that Uncle Jack developed. Uncle Jack's recent TR6 seat bracket for Miata Conversions, will be there. We will all be wandering around the Triumph Paddock most of the time, and you will want to visit...... CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS OLDE ENGLISH PUB.... with that Limey, Gary Hunter, as Bartender. AND CLASSIC MOTORSPORTS IS THE OFFICIAL SPONSOR OF THE KASTNER CUP TROPHY RACE ON SUNDAY AT 3:00pm There are free posters for VTR members and Kas Kastner and other interesting folks will be lurking around to sign them. Posters may also be available for sale to non-VTR members for a very nominal cost. The President of VTR, Blake Discher, will be on hand. If you know anything about the Western Pennsylvania Triumph Association, (VTR) they are the Official Hosts for the Friends of Triumph and can be found in their familiar STRIPED TENT. Of course, we are HONORING JOE & DOTTIE RICHARDS and the meticulously restored TR2 TS1 LO. TS1 LO will be on display at the Grand Prix Festival in The Glen and in the Triumph Paddock. On Saturday night we will be celebrating the Life of Uncle Jack Drews. The Kastner Cup Race will be dedicated to Uncle Jack and will feature "THE MISSING MAN FORMATION" on the PACE LAP. The Kastner Cup Honorary Pace Car will be the Triumph TR2 TS1 LO, that has been purchased by Robert Parker Smith, and will become part of his private collection Hawaii. The Glen will also be the location that JOHN MACARTNEY is going officially kick off the promotion of the TransAmerica Charity Drive in the US & Canada. He will be on hand to discuss and has a powerpoint presentation. LOOK AT: There's a lot more, but that's enuff. I got to pack. See you there! Joe A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: