From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Tue Apr 1 02:10:24 2008 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:10:24 +1000 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences with what can be made to fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a problem. I've tried a web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them being used. Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne From rhlamp at babcock.com Tue Apr 1 06:42:32 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:42:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little modification. I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. R. Lamp -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry and Cindy Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences with what can be made to fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a problem. I've tried a web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them being used. Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rhlamp at babcock.com ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 1 06:58:12 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Steven Preiss wrote: > Geoff (et all) > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just > two jackings. How do you do this?! > Steve P. I do it using a floor jack and 4 _three tonne_ jackstands. The larger jackstands allow you to raise the car a lot higher. The normal two tonne jackstands only go up to 18 inches of so but the three tonne ones go quite a bit higher. I got the 3-tonners for the truck, but figured out that they help get the car higher for some of the suspension work. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cofrog at q.com Tue Apr 1 07:47:49 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:47:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stahl Headers Part 2 Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the helpful responses. Solution to make Stahl TR4 headers fit a TR4A in my case is to cut on the lower a arm mount and frame. I am unwilling to compromise the strength by doing this and am reluctantly putting the header up for sale. List in October 07 was $515.00. I got them for $490 and would like to get that out of them. I'll pay the shipping. Thanks, Dan Forgey From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 08:57:54 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little > modification. > I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. > > R. Lamp > -----Original Message----- > From: > fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Terry and > Cindy > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: > Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid > filled damper for the front > of > a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences > with what can be made to > fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a > problem. I've tried > a > web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them > being used. > > Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > rhlamp at babcock.com > > ----------------------------------------- > This message > is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed and > contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From rhlamp at babcock.com Tue Apr 1 10:02:11 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:02:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp Ps. Scott, I was surprised to open up the latest Spitfire and GT6 magazine and see your car. Looks great! Glad it found such a good home. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen [mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:58 AM To: Lamp, Randy H; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little > modification. > I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. > > R. Lamp > -----Original Message----- > From: > fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Terry and > Cindy > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: > Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid > filled damper for the front > of > a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences > with what can be made to > fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a > problem. I've tried > a > web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them > being used. > > Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > rhlamp at babcock.com > > ----------------------------------------- > This message > is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed and > contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Apr 1 11:23:44 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:23:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] jacking References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> I use 2 floor jacks, I set one under the rear before I jack the front. Jack the front, set the jackstands in front then jack the rear and set the rear jackstands on the rear bumper attachments. If I don't do it this way, I can't get the jack under the other end of the car once I start jacking. This is for the TR6 Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Steven Preiss" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] jacking > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Steven Preiss wrote: > > > Geoff (et all) > > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just > > two jackings. How do you do this?! > > Steve P. > > I do it using a floor jack and 4 _three tonne_ jackstands. The larger > jackstands allow you to raise the car a lot higher. The normal two tonne > jackstands only go up to 18 inches of so but the three tonne ones go quite > a bit higher. > > I got the 3-tonners for the truck, but figured out that they help get the > car higher for some of the suspension work. > > regards, > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 1 12:29:44 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:29:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg In-Reply-To: <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <4571A24920E64C63A8E4F12530B75AF1@Mobil> On my weekly ways to Hamburg, when skies are clear I went off the Autobahn and drive on a weird little road of 21,82km length...... Can you imagine, how much fun this is???? :-))))) http://www.racepicture.de/galerie/albums/Nuerburgring/2008/Touristenfahrten/20080330/Autos/49-Touris064120080330.JPG From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 15:12:18 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Baa Baa Waa Waa Alert - tonight at 10 Message-ID: <002501c89445$735d5590$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Here's a show right up our alley!!! Tune in tonight! Barbara Walters and Paul Newman (and others) 10PM on ABC "Live to be 150... Can you do it?" Some footage shot at Lime Rock last summer, you may even see me! Paul takes Barbara for a few laps at speed in a GT-1 Camaro Yee-Haa! Clark Clark W. Nicholls "Reality... It's not what you think." From srcypher at mac.com Tue Apr 1 15:21:39 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a 1500 4cyl? Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on the vendor you refer to below, so I can contact them.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 16:20:50 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl Message-ID: Terry O'Bierne asked: > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of > a TR6 crank. I believe Richard Good (Goodparts) sells modified ATI dampers for the TR6. Usual disclaimers apply. >From my V8 days, I can absolutely attest that good dampers are very expensive, but worth every penny. On our cooked-spaghetti TR6 cranks, a very-high quality dampener is a must. Having said that, my TR6 is running a stock dampener, but then again, I've not yet wrung its neck. That will not happen until I get a new dampener. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Apr 1 17:25:26 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:25:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> References: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <83CCF0509A8A41F1A78A91872761BC0A@SohlPC> Mark wrote: > And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical > and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be > more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. A reasonable approach to having electric outlets everywhere and air connections on the same basis is to use the self coiling overhead reels for electric and air. I have an electric and an air reel (each has about 30 feet of lead) mounted overhead almost in the center of my 30x30 garage (12 foot to bottom of rafter). This has worked very well for me. Cheers, Bill Sohl From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 17:50:45 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <83CCF0509A8A41F1A78A91872761BC0A@SohlPC> Message-ID: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Good point. I put in three 15 amp circuits for outlets with duplex plug spaced every 6 ft in my 26 x 36 shop. I've ended up with 4 LBC's in a shop that I planned for 3. As a result, the tools and workbenches are located a whole lot different than I originally planned. I've got unused outlets where the long term project cars are stored and not near enough around my tools. Whatever you're putting in, you'll need more. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sohl Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:25 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal Mark wrote: > And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both > electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never > want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. A reasonable approach to having electric outlets everywhere and air connections on the same basis is to use the self coiling overhead reels for electric and air. I have an electric and an air reel (each has about 30 feet of lead) mounted overhead almost in the center of my 30x30 garage (12 foot to bottom of rafter). This has worked very well for me. Cheers, Bill Sohl Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Apr 1 18:09:31 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:09:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> References: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> Message-ID: Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts used in tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. Probably just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a regular service lift. Fred Hodgson From niteseeker at aol.com Tue Apr 1 19:20:13 2008 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:20:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: References: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> Message-ID: <7AE2E465-9DC2-4A79-B838-A20A33606A71@aol.com> Check in the Car Shoppers found in restaurants. There are many of them. Some of them are even 120 volt powered. On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts > used in > tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. > Probably > just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a > regular > service lift. > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as niteseeker at aol.com From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 19:32:53 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:32:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Light weight pushrods? Message-ID: <008c01c89469$da969e00$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm looking for a recommendation for lightweight pushrods for a GT6. I need to get them made to length. Recommendations? From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 20:26:41 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:26:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature Message-ID: >From an old Ken Galanders article, I blocked this bypass feature completely by tapping 1/4" pipe threads into the hole, and installing a 1/4" pipe plug. My machinist did not think that it was a good idea to completely defeat the cold oil bypass. I then copied Greg Solow and shimmed the valve spring with some small washers. It will still open, but at a higher pressure. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0003 0000000001) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Apr 1 20:39:54 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:39:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> Another tip that may be useful. Go to your local hardware home improvement store. Head to the paint section, grab a can of spray paint, any color, any brand, whatever. Take this can to the roofing section with the shingles, tarpaper and gutters. Check out the various types of plastic gutters, see which ones fit the spray can. Buy a length of the gutter in the appropriate color with the proper hangers to go with it. Back in the garage hang the gutter in various spots to provide convenient storage trays for all the various types of spray cans one accumulates. I also have a small section over the sink to hold soap, sponges, etc. mjb. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 20:46:56 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <002101c89474$33b77f40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> How high do you rev. it ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Lamp, Randy H" ; "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lamp, Randy H" > To: "Terry and Cindy" ; > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > >>I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little >> modification. >> I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. >> >> R. Lamp >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> Terry and >> Cindy >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: >> Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >> >> I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid >> filled damper for the front >> of >> a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences >> with what can be made to >> fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a >> problem. I've tried >> a >> web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them >> being used. >> >> Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as >> rhlamp at babcock.com >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message >> is intended only for the individual or entity to which >> it is addressed and >> contains information that is proprietary to The >> Babcock & Wilcox Company >> and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise >> confidential. If the reader of >> this message is not the intended >> recipient, or the employee agent responsible >> for delivering the >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified >> that any >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. 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Thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 1 22:05:52 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:05:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> <4571A24920E64C63A8E4F12530B75AF1@Mobil> Message-ID: I bet you are. I met a guy at the parking who was from USA, is working at Munich and has rent a car to have a go on the track. He said it was his childhood dream to drive on the Ring. BTW.....at lap two I thought a kink at Kesselchen can be done at full throttle but I didn't had my winter tires on the bill....so I left the track with the right wheels, drifting on 4 wheels out of that kink at 130 mph. My first thought was: This ride will have a sudden end. But the 911, with a little aid of me, did manage to get back on the tarmack and ended up the lap as it should. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "MadMarx" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg > Hi, > > I'm jeolous. Or is it envious. > > The 'Ring. > > Someday. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 2 05:12:47 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:12:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Light weight pushrods? Message-ID: Smith Brothers, Bend Oregon. Pushrods.com. No point in looking elsewhere... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From srcypher at mac.com Wed Apr 2 06:17:58 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize & store all my chemicals and consumables.... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher From rhlamp at babcock.com Wed Apr 2 06:34:51 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:34:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3853E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Scott, The manufacturer was Fluidampr and I purchased it from Summit Racing in Akron Ohio. You might want to contact them, Fluidampr, direct to get the details worked out and then order from one of the big suppliers. With all the import stuff these days ,they might have something that would adapt to the Spitfire crank. I was surprised at how little had to be done to the small block Ford damper to make it fit the six cylinder Triumph crank shaft. You can e-mail them at support at fluidampr.com or call them at 716 592-100. Summit racings phone number is 800230-3030. Good luck, Randy ________________________________ From: Scott Cypher [mailto:srcypher at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:22 PM To: Lamp, Randy H Cc: Scott Janzen; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a 1500 4cyl? Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on the vendor you refer to below, so I can contact them.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 07:12:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net><001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3853E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <003201c894cb$8d94f2c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have the mfrs drawings for the damper which I could fax to whoever wants it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Scott Cypher" Cc: "Scott Janzen" ; ; "Terry and Cindy" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > Scott, > > > > The manufacturer was Fluidampr and I purchased it from Summit > Racing in > Akron Ohio. You might want to contact them, Fluidampr, direct to > get > the details worked out and then order from one of the big suppliers. > With all the import stuff these days ,they might have something that > would > adapt to the Spitfire crank. I was surprised at how little had to > be done to > the small block Ford damper to make it fit the six cylinder > Triumph crank > shaft. You can e-mail them at support at fluidampr.com or > call them at 716 > 592-100. Summit racings phone number is 800230-3030. > > > > Good luck, > Randy > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Scott Cypher > [mailto:srcypher at mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:22 PM > To: Lamp, > Randy H > Cc: Scott Janzen; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: > [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > > > Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a > 1500 4cyl? > > Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on > the vendor > you refer to below, so I can contact them.... > > > > Thanks > -Scott Cypher > > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > > > Shipwright's Disease. > Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a > british car. Then it can > never be cured. > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: > Scott, > > If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we > decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size > > and > the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper > mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current > GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. > R. Lamp > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This > message is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed > and contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. 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Go to your local hardware home improvement > store. Head to the paint section, grab a can of spray paint, any color, > any brand, > whatever. Take this can to the roofing section with the shingles, > tarpaper and > gutters. Check out the various types of plastic gutters, see which ones fit > the spray can. Buy a length of the gutter in the appropriate color with the > proper hangers to go with it. > Amici... I like that, and using one for above the sink, as well. Last night in the shop this thread was running through my mind, especially the eventual shortage of space (regardless), and how 'stuff multiplies' in direct proportion to the space available. One shelf particularly loaded was my 'racing trophy' shelf. NO...not the tin cup type. I don't have many of those. But rather, after thirty years of racing, the broken clutch plates, trashed gears, broken rotors, frozen throw out bearings, broken suspension parts, and on and on. Each one with a special memory. A couple of them ought to be wrapped in soiled nomex. They could have been. That shelf is nearly full. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Apr 2 13:43:36 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kelvin Doldt (?) Moss Motors Message-ID: <001101c89502$3969fe20$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Sorry to bomb the list. Kelvin from Moss Motors would you please contact me off list. Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09530 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Apr 2 13:54:10 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:54:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] jacking Message-ID: <20080402.165410.28814.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have a 110volt lift in my garage that I will need to sell in the next year or so, if any one is interested. It is in central Connecticut. The garage at the house that I plan to move to next year is not high enough for this lift. The lift needs about 12 feet overhead clearance to get a car up all the way. Joe(B) -- dick ross wrote: Check in the Car Shoppers found in restaurants. There are many of them. Some of them are even 120 volt powered. On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts > used in > tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. > Probably > just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a > regular > service lift. > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as niteseeker at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today! Go to Technical School. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqYKPwmbtI2bPjJpTWY3bz7Tc drEPuhgVwhM1QoliQpaGMuC2/ From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Apr 2 14:47:01 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:47:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35621CC204E14629A0296015D07B6DC6@SohlPC> Ken wrote: > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) Depending on the length of your heating season, the addition of heating costs can get expensive. I have a detached garage that I don't have any permanent heating system, but I can usually have several days in the months of Jan and Feb that are OK with a propane space heating unit. I'm located in northwestern part of New Jersey. > be tall enough for a lift, You'll be very happy with the height (mines 12 ft from floor to lower rafter) even if you never get a lift. Consider also a taller than usual garage door. Mine has a single door that is 16' wide and 10' high. Good hight also allows higher shelving units. The upper shelves may be a bit of a pain to use, but keep them for items only needed occasionally and it is fine. > be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance Check very carefully with the concstruction and zoning office in your town. In some places, historic distric properties have severe restrictions on what can be done. Try to cultivate a friendly relationship with the township officials. I had to apply for 3 variances when putting forth my plans. The variance application process usually takes several months. > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Cheers, Bill Sohl From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 12:43:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:43:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheel Manufacturing-Progress Report Message-ID: FoT, Being around manufacturing for over 40 years promotes a casual attitude when the parts are for tractors. Especially somebody else's tractors. The attitude changes when the chips are flying for a car, particularly when it's your car. Today, I caught the new TR3/TR4 steel flywheels Work In Process on the production floor. Even with the sophistication of CNC machining there are several operations that are required. The basic turning operations are done. A milling operation for removing material (out where it counts most) is in process today. By next week the drill and tap operations should be complete and ready for final inspection. Shipping should follow shortly. (BTW, With a little nudging from Dean Tetterton, we got the big chamfer in the center of the flywheel for ease of transmission assembly...this feature has been missing on some other steel flywheels and I had not noticed) Special thanks to our 'Engineering Department'....Sean Alexander. He saved us several hundred dollars in the avoidance of outsourced engineering costs. Now I can take that Lightened OEM flywheel out of the AMBRO project and give the AMBRO what it deserves. Debut this year? Joe A From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 14:33:26 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's the Tour de Marque Friday schedule extracted from the full festival schedule for Friday which can be found at www.grandprixfestival.com/schedule.html (the schedule would suggest the tour originates at Wings of Eagles) 9:00 am - Tour de Marque (TDM) arrives at the Wings of Eagles Museum 10:45 am - TDM leaves Wings of Eagles 11:15 am - TDM arrives at WGI racetrack for brunch 12:15 pm - TDM stages WGI racetrack laps 12:30 pm - TDM takes 2 laps of WGI racetrack 1:00 pm - TDM departs WGI for laps of original street course 1:10 pm - TDM makes 2 laps of original street course 2:00 pm - TDM cars parked for display at Lafayette Park (end of TDM specific activities) 3:00 pm - Legends Speak at Lafeyette Park (this includes FOT folks as I understand) Cheers, Bill & Linda Sohl - 1961 TR-3A Signal Red, original condition ----- Original Message ----- From: John Herrera To: Bill Sohl ; FOT Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. > I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3. > > Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take > all day by itself. I stand corrected. Wings of Eagles IS part of the Tour de Marque. But is it on the Friday? I don't see how there would be time for all the activities. Maybe not everyone goes through aviation museums as slowly as I do. John H. From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 3 14:35:23 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:35:23 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: <20080403.173523.22218.2@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 or TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor on Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy sale, if you are interested. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on business schools, $150K/ year potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV525FP63L78ncUE4Rag0xks Yo67V6WaSl3Ha0YUNXw9z514/ From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Apr 3 14:49:21 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:49:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2008 3:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: > Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 or > TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor on > Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy > sale, > if you are interested. Joe... I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Apr 3 14:50:01 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:50:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: While not the FOT focus race for 2007, the VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR, on April 18-20, is shaping up to be the event of the season for eastern TR pilots. We have confirmed that Mike Jackson and Jeff Snook will take their TR3s to the 3.3 mile raceway in a rematch of their 1-2 class finish at Sebring last month. Rumor has it that Randy Williams may also be there, creating what may well be the only time you will see those three able pilots, and crews, contest positions on the podium. Now's your chance to be a part of this fabulous event that boasts 4.5 hours of track time at one of the most challenging, and scenic, tracks in the country. As a bonus, TR-Pilots will vie for the coveted Martha McDougal Trophy and be forever known as a CHAMPION of the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Topping off the weekend's racing, and in addition to the Saturday banquet, will be the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "Chill and Grill" where those of a Triumph-persuasion will enjoy the finest fish-fry known to man, or woman, and the company of their fellow TR/Spifire racers. If you have not yet entered, do so now so that you don't miss this exciting weekend. The VDCA entry form is at _http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf) . The fee goes up on 4/8/08 so get crackin'! Dean Tetterton, Done Marshall, Leo Oddi and Rob Deanes - Your Hosts at the Triumph Ghetto **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 14:51:46 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <233F142B6ED348F3B42C012C19BDB35C@SohlPC> I thought it was SLOW and STOP As soon as I saw Joe's email I knew where this discussion was going... :-) Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > In a message dated 04/03/2008 3:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, > jaboruch at netzero.net writes: > > >> Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 >> or >> TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor >> on >> Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy >> sale, >> if you are interested. > > Joe... > > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 14:55:38 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:55:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Names have been submitted to the Village but not published yet. All are current or former FOT. Joe A Planning tends to be a moving target....and a bit stressful at times. > 3:00 pm - Legends Speak at Lafeyette Park (this includes FOT folks as I > understand) > > From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 15:07:01 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:07:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: Leo, For me, this year, no Easter Weekend to deal with and no weddings to go to, but now I have managed to over extend myself with various projects. Maybe next year. Between this event and Henry's event at BeaveRun, it is a great year for the Right Coast Triumphs. Joe A From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Apr 3 15:45:56 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. Sorry, I had to say it... Terry Stetler From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 3 17:57:01 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the windscreen gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty years ago, except it worked the other way around. On Apr 3, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two > position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > HEHE! > > In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. > > Sorry, I had to say it... > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 3 19:05:37 2008 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (U K MOTORSPORTS) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: <380-220084542537114@earthlink.net> Good evening Leo, I am still planning on joining you all in the ghetto, as you know the TR6 isn't ready yet and I have had a major setback and may not be fit to drive...I was down at VIR this past weekend picking up the 510 and assorted parts and ran into some bad luck or rather it ran into me. Early Friday morning I was running Rex down in the very bottom of Hog Pen and all 85lbs of him ran directly into my right knee. Thats right taken out by mans best friend! He was running full speed, probably at least 35 or more and obviously misjudged me as I was just standing still. So my right knee, the knee that I have had 11 surgeries on collapsed and buckled and left me down on the ground with no one in sight. When the pain subsided I was able to limp back to the trailer and drive the 3 hours or so back home and get some ice on it. As it turns out I saw my Orthopedist on Tuesday and I have torn (2) ligaments, the MCL and my ACL (which was reconstructed years ago). Looks as though surgery is imminent as soon as the swelling and trauma calms down. Still hoping that will happen before next weekend. I am keeping my fingers crossed. PS: Dean is working feverishly getting that last minute "KILLER MOTOR" together for the TR3...I think he might just make it! > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/3/2008 4:50:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? > > While not the FOT focus race for 2007, the VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR, on > April 18-20, is shaping up to be the event of the season for eastern TR pilots. > We have confirmed that Mike Jackson and Jeff Snook will take their TR3s to > the 3.3 mile raceway in a rematch of their 1-2 class finish at Sebring last > month. > > Rumor has it that Randy Williams may also be there, creating what may well > be the only time you will see those three able pilots, and crews, contest > positions on the podium. > > Now's your chance to be a part of this fabulous event that boasts 4.5 hours > of track time at one of the most challenging, and scenic, tracks in the > country. As a bonus, TR-Pilots will vie for the coveted Martha McDougal Trophy and > be forever known as a CHAMPION of the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Topping off the > weekend's racing, and in addition to the Saturday banquet, will be the > F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "Chill and Grill" where those of a Triumph-persuasion will > enjoy the finest fish-fry known to man, or woman, and the company of their fellow > TR/Spifire racers. > > If you have not yet entered, do so now so that you don't miss this exciting > weekend. The VDCA entry form is at > _http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf) . The fee goes up on > 4/8/08 so get crackin'! > > > Dean Tetterton, Done Marshall, Leo Oddi and Rob Deanes - Your Hosts at the > Triumph Ghetto > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr6racer21 at earthlink.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 4:14 PM From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 3 19:15:47 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:15:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: <20080403.221547.1668.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Well the wiper motor is NOS from 1959. It may very well be slow and stop for its 2 speeds. Time will tell. Joe(B) -- "Terry Stetler" wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. Sorry, I had to say it... Terry Stetler _____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV8qvwjDYXcwkCdqs5c35NZ2 la7HpptgmkxBmHGkRrd1vwOz/ From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Fri Apr 4 04:11:39 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: <20080403.221547.1668.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001401c89644$a85b5700$6601a8c0@LoriPC> On a serious note . . . I have heard of using the TR3 light switch with a TR4A wiper motor to get the "two speed" wipers on an earlier car. Never tried it myself though. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > Well the wiper motor is NOS from 1959. It may very well be slow and stop > for > its 2 speeds. Time will tell. Joe(B) > > -- "Terry Stetler" wrote: > /> ----- > Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. > Sorry, > I had to say it... Terry Stetler > _____________________________________________________________ > Fast Computer Training. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV8qvwjDYXcwkCdqs5c35NZ2 > la7HpptgmkxBmHGkRrd1vwOz/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 4 07:00:43 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:00:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2008 6:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain > detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the windscreen > gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty years > ago, except it worked the other way around. Amici... The current (May) issue of Triumph World has an interesting article by Paul Richardson telling about Jack Bough, who apparently was with Lucas in general, and their competition department in particular for many, many years. He often had occasion to work with Paul's dad Ken (with Triumph and the V16 BRM). The article suggests the title 'Prince of Darkness' was originally assigned to Bough and other Lucas reps the result of a clitch in the mid-1950s involving Triumph Speed Twin and Bonneville motorcycles. Paul says because a myriad of electrical add ons were coming into vogue at the time, Lucas designed a pancake alternator whereby the winding housing was bolted to the chaincase and the magnetic rotor was bolted to the end of the crankshaft (running at engine speed). It worked fine in England and Europe, where there were relatively few long straight roads, but not here in the USA on our long interstate highways. Over here headlight bulbs would consistently blow because of excessive voltage. There was no immediate cure, and bikers here were taping flashlights to the handlebars. Hence the 'Prince of Darkness' moniker for our friends at Lucas. Nobody enjoys a joke more than I do, and Prince of Darkness and other Lucas humor can be a lot of fun. But I can remember being at more than one Triumph event where a Lucas representative was a guest speaker, and the 'fun' got out of hand. We were not kind to our guests. Lucas has, in fact, been on the cutting edge with many new electrical ideas, particularly in aircraft and space efforts. It's been my experience that if you can just keep the smoke inside the wires, everything works fine. Bill Dentinger ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Apr 4 09:25:53 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:25:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> Message-ID: <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I put a lift in my shop when I built it 5 years ago. Also wouldn't be without it, nor would my son and partner who has a lot younger knees and back than I do! One thing I would do differently is to put in a lift with a wider spread between the posts. I can fit all cars and trucks that meet the weight limit of the lift (I think it's 6000 lbs.) but on some cars without frames (meaning anything other than the Triumphs) it is difficult sometimes to get the arms on the lift points of the vehicle because the arms are shorter with the posts together and therefore have less adjustment. On almost all cars except the Triumph I have to pretty well center the car, I mean within an inch or so, to get the arms and pads under the lift points. Can be done, but sort of a PITA. We have marked spots on the floor to align all of Ryan's and my cars to make it easier to "spot" them. I bought the lift based on weight and did not consider distance between the posts at the time. The ones with a wide spread like you see in a dealership or commercial shop will probably cost about 50% more unless you can find a good deal. The ones with the wider spread usually have a higher weight rating, hence the higher cost. Even my 1997 BMW 3 Series, not a big car, is a problem getting the lift pads to line up on the cars lift points, just because where they are located on that car. To me any lift is better than no lift!! My 2 cents worth. Tim Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, > depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon > cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize > & store all my chemicals and consumables.... > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > SCCA #562573 > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 4 10:34:34 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:34:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: <001401c89644$a85b5700$6601a8c0@LoriPC> Message-ID: <20080404163424.OQZI21903.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > I have heard of using the TR3 light switch with a TR4A wiper > motor to get the "two speed" wipers on an earlier car. Never > tried it myself though. I believe it depends on which motor you have. That would work with the later 3-wire motors (TR4A as you say), but not I think with the earlier ones (5 or 6 wires). My own 2-speed wiper project is derailed at the moment, but I'm hoping I can extract the relevant information from http://www.kda132.com/Technical/SectionM/wiperswitch/wiperswitch.html Written for more expensive cars, but the motors should be the same. Randall From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Apr 4 09:44:38 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: Message-ID: <009101c89673$2ccbac50$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Having worked with both hydraulic and electric servo motors on machine tools I can tell you that when the electrons and smoke leak out of the wires they make a hell of a lot less mess than when a 2000 PSI hydraulic line breaks (especially if it is a vertical line and the break is pointed up! Guess how I know that.). Although when the 440 Volt input power to the electrics short, it is impressive as hell. Tim Murph ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > In a message dated 04/03/2008 6:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com > writes: > > >> Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain >> detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the >> windscreen >> gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty >> years >> ago, except it worked the other way around. > > Amici... > > The current (May) issue of Triumph World has an interesting article by > Paul > Richardson telling about Jack Bough, who apparently was with Lucas in > general, > and their competition department in particular for many, many years. He > often > had occasion to work with Paul's dad Ken (with Triumph and the V16 BRM). > The > article suggests the title 'Prince of Darkness' was originally assigned to > Bough and other Lucas reps the result of a clitch in the mid-1950s > involving > Triumph Speed Twin and Bonneville motorcycles. Paul says because a myriad > of > electrical add ons were coming into vogue at the time, Lucas designed a > pancake > alternator whereby the winding housing was bolted to the chaincase and the > magnetic rotor was bolted to the end of the crankshaft (running at engine > speed). > It worked fine in England and Europe, where there were relatively few long > straight roads, but not here in the USA on our long interstate highways. > Over > here headlight bulbs would consistently blow because of excessive voltage. > There was no immediate cure, and bikers here were taping flashlights to > the > handlebars. Hence the 'Prince of Darkness' moniker for our friends at > Lucas. > > Nobody enjoys a joke more than I do, and Prince of Darkness and other > Lucas > humor can be a lot of fun. But I can remember being at more than one > Triumph > event where a Lucas representative was a guest speaker, and the 'fun' got > out > of hand. We were not kind to our guests. Lucas has, in fact, been on the > cutting edge with many new electrical ideas, particularly in aircraft and > space > efforts. > > It's been my experience that if you can just keep the smoke inside the > wires, > everything works fine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Apr 4 10:01:56 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Just a heads up... I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car dealers. Turns out they replace them every few years and the old ones are ... thrown out or sold for scrap. Mine was free, save for the $100 of anchors I needed to fasten it to the floor, the wire to power it, and a can of hydraulic fluid. It's not perfect (It had a "FORD SERVICE" decal stuck on it) but it is pretty darn close. Keep an eye out for the local guys who install 'em. Might be able to pick one up for a reasonable sum. But do have enough concrete in your floor to mount it! iii On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > I put a lift in my shop when I built it 5 years ago. Also wouldn't be > without it, nor would my son and partner who has a lot younger knees and > back than I do! One thing I would do differently is to put in a lift with > a > wider spread between the posts. I can fit all cars and trucks that meet > the > weight limit of the lift (I think it's 6000 lbs.) but on some cars without > frames (meaning anything other than the Triumphs) it is difficult > sometimes > to get the arms on the lift points of the vehicle because the arms are > shorter with the posts together and therefore have less adjustment. On > almost all cars except the Triumph I have to pretty well center the car, I > mean within an inch or so, to get the arms and pads under the lift points. > Can be done, but sort of a PITA. We have marked spots on the floor to > align > all of Ryan's and my cars to make it easier to "spot" them. I bought the > lift based on weight and did not consider distance between the posts at > the > time. The ones with a wide spread like you see in a dealership or > commercial shop will probably cost about 50% more unless you can find a > good > deal. The ones with the wider spread usually have a higher weight rating, > hence the higher cost. Even my 1997 BMW 3 Series, not a big car, is a > problem getting the lift pads to line up on the cars lift points, just > because where they are located on that car. To me any lift is better than > no lift!! > > My 2 cents worth. > > Tim Murphy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > > Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, > > depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon > > cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize > > & store all my chemicals and consumables.... > > > > Thanks > > -S > > > > Scott Cypher > > SCCA #562573 > > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > > Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Apr 4 10:52:04 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FEEB@server.Triumph.local> I got my two post lift in a similar fashion, but it cost me a couple hundred. A very busy repair shop replaces two lifts a year, and sells his old ones. Cheaper to replace before they give trouble than have them go down and lose productivity. Only problem with this approach is you will probably be looking at 3 phase lifts. I found a very affordable solid state inverter and all is good. If I had to do it again, I would probably get a 4 poster though. While the 2 post has it's merits, lots of times I just want to work on something quick and easy and picking the car up would be great. But lining a car up under my two poster and getting everything aligned just right is a pain. Just being able to drive up on the ramps of a 4 post lift and raise the car would be nice. I am sure those belly pans on new cars are important, but dealing with them for oil changes is a drag. Because the 2 post lift is a hassle, I never use it for oil changes on our daily drivers. It's quicker to get it done on my back under the car than messing with the lift. Yeah, I know, a four post lift takes up LOTS more floor space... > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > Just a heads up... > > I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses > > My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car > dealers. Turns out they replace them every few years and the > old ones are ... thrown out or sold for scrap. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 4 10:58:55 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:58:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 04/04/2008 11:02:45 AM Central Standard Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: > Just a heads up... > > I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses > > My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car dealers. Turns out > they replace them every few years and the old ones are ... thrown out or > sold for scrap. > Investigation might be a good word choice. My first question would be why are these lifts being replaced and discarded every few years. Is there a fatigue factor to be aware of? The lift we bought new quite a few years ago is an Autolifters 9000C. It's rated capacity is 9,000 pounds, and we are quite satisfied with it. While it's a post jack lift, we've not had the problem Tim Murphy describes...getting the pickup points to accommodate unit body vehicles. Our pickup arms extend pretty well (so far). We've had our Chevy One Ton van on the hoist several times, and that's one lotta van. We often use 'C Clamps' as a precautionary mechanical tie to help discourage any tipping. The only issue we've had is sometimes the pickup points are not low enough to get under some cars (the Thunder Bolt in particular). We have to lift one end a little when slipping the arms under. We designed some alternative pick up points, and tried to get Autolifters to make them for us, but they wanted no part of making ANY alterations to their hoist. I am sure what we had designed would have been just fine, and in fact we sure could have fabricated it ourselves, but to date we've not gotten around to it. Bill Dentinger ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 4 16:53:05 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:53:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? Message-ID: You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the crankshaft? On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the clutch? ~Steve From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Apr 4 17:22:05 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: Message-ID: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your other thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can see oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in this location! Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > crankshaft? > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > clutch? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 4 17:29:27 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:29:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002801c896b4$1b760c20$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > crankshaft? > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? Mine have all been that way too, AFAIK it's correct. > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > clutch? I doubt it's necessary with current supply, but I still soak mine in engine oil overnight. Back before Oilite was invented, I believe they used simply sintered bronze, which needed to be soaked. But I believe today it's supplied already oiled. Still, can't hurt to soak it some more IMO. Dry it with a paper towel or similar before installing, you don't want oil dripping off the outside. Randall From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 4 17:32:15 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:32:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? In-Reply-To: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <55BCFA5A-956B-47E9-AC31-B872BA22A8CD@earthlink.net> Sounds good. This is one of those interesting things that doesn't appear in the books, it's part of the brain-trust :) Thanks guys. ~Steve On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Greg Solow wrote: > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours > or putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills > covers the bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. > Then put your other thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs > together until you can see oil come out through the pores on the > outside of the bushing. This will ensure that the pores withing the > bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the bushing and the input > shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it into the > crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in > this location! > Greg > Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > >> You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the >> crankshaft? >> On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? >> >> Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the >> clutch? >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 5 09:52:31 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:52:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> why no grease? I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or > putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the > bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your other > thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can see > oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will > ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the > bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it > into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in > this location! > > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Belfer" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > > crankshaft? > > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > > clutch? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Apr 5 10:58:49 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> <00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <001b01c89746$b60c1850$0300000a@oemcomputer> Grease could have a tendency to come out and get on the clutch disc. It may also have a tendency to plug the pores of the oilite bushing. This is just a guess. I try to follow what the designing engineers appear to have done. If there is not an obvious fault in their design. For the most part, the TR engineers seem to have done a good job with what they did. By using an Oilite bush in the pilot bushing location, it is clear that they intended a very small amount of "oil" to be the lubricant used there. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Greg Solow" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? why no grease? I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or > putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the > bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your > other > thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can > see > oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will > ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep > the > bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide > it > into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used > in > this location! > > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Belfer" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > > crankshaft? > > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > > clutch? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 5 13:57:57 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap Message-ID: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> This is for a TR-4... I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a problem. Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) Thanks, Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 5 14:07:32 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:07:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> Be careful with that. Better more gap then less. I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. The larger the bore, the more gap you need. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > This is for a TR-4... > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a problem. > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > Thanks, > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 5 14:30:39 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:30:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap In-Reply-To: <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. - Tony At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >Be careful with that. >Better more gap then less. >I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >The larger the bore, the more gap you need. > >Cheers >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > > > > This is for a TR-4... > > > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to > be a problem. > > > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > > > Thanks, > > Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Apr 5 15:16:20 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:16:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap In-Reply-To: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> References: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CA6581CF1C78B4-E8C-1B85@Webmail-mg16.sim.aol.com> Tony .008 on the top ring isn't enough. You want around .014 to be safe. The second ring can be a bit tighter, .011 is good. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: MadMarx ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston ring end gap Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. - Tony At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >Be careful with that. >Better more gap then less. >I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >The larger the bore, the more gap you need. > >Cheers >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > > > > This is for a TR-4... > > > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to > be a problem. > > > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > > > Thanks, > > Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 5 20:59:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2><00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> <001b01c89746$b60c1850$0300000a@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002e01c8979a$95d9dd20$d214c548@RW> Always being out of time with too many cars to service (rebuild) I used to just put the torch to the bushing, warm it really good then drop it into a dish of oil. Never had a problem in this area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > Grease could have a tendency to come out and get on the clutch disc. It > may > also have a tendency to plug the pores of the oilite bushing. This is just > a > guess. I try to follow what the designing engineers appear to have done. > If > there is not an obvious fault in their design. For the most part, the TR > engineers seem to have done a good job with what they did. By using an > Oilite bush in the pilot bushing location, it is clear that they intended > a > very small amount of "oil" to be the lubricant used there. > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "Greg Solow" ; > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > why no grease? > I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? > > Cheers > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > >> The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be >> impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or >> putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the >> bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your >> other >> thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can >> see >> oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will >> ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep >> the >> bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide >> it >> into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used >> in >> this location! >> >> Greg Solow >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steven Belfer" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? >> >> >> > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the >> > crankshaft? >> > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? >> > >> > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the >> > clutch? >> > >> > ~Steve >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 5 20:59:04 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:59:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001101c8979a$8f2b8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Total Seal says (in inches of bore) top ring bore x .0045" second bore x .0035 oil ring min .015 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > This is for a TR-4... > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a > problem. > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > Thanks, > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 5 21:06:35 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:06:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net><003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <005901c8979b$9afc2500$d214c548@RW> I cannot remember NOT having to file the ring gap on an 87 MM engine. ) Nothing like a nice little 6" mill file for this job although they do make a little machine to make certain the ends are square. So they are not square??? Plenty of gap and make sure the gaps don't line up....and forget it. If not enough, they will sure as h--- break and it is good bye compression and hello blowby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. > > - Tony > > At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >>Be careful with that. >>Better more gap then less. >>I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >>The larger the bore, the more gap you need. >> >>Cheers >>Chris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tony Drews" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >>Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap >> >> >> > This is for a TR-4... >> > >> > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with >> > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE >> > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend >> > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it >> > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to >> be a problem. >> > >> > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? >> > >> > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Tony Drews >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 6 23:09:22 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:09:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <000801c8986d$8dc16c60$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello...I am testing my email..I have not received any messages today..Will appreciate a response Thanks Racer Bud spitfire #21 From REK46 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 03:57:26 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:57:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: must be working ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 08:10:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:10:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: FOT Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and his TR4 used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit more than that from time to time. He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it to it's former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it with..............he will be at The Glen, of course. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------- Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for celebration. Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the very least, I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR Hospitality Tent to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the New Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, complete with darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that will step up and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of Historic Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th Anniversary....the Brits are coming back for that one. Thanks, Joe Alexander From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 08:38:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:38:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen FOT Poster...The VTR Steps Up Message-ID: FOT, At Mid-Ohio, Kent Howard put together a very nice 11.5 X 17 Poster with a collage of Historic Triumphs. Somebody organized a DRIVER SIGNING, along with Kas' autograph. This is a nice size for framing...so I did, proudly. Watkins Glen begs for this feature. VTR has stepped up to the plate. The plan is to assemble another collage of Historic Triumphs. Hopefully featuring the actual cars in attendance at the Glen. Firefly Studios of Detroit Michigan, is organizing the design of the poster....Blake Discher may be asking for some picture submittals. The intention is to make these available to Vintage Triumph Members and Driver/Entrants. Some will be sold at a modest price to recover expenses of production. We will likely do what we did at Mid-Ohio....place the posters on a table set aside for the DRIVERS, so that everyone can stop by during the weekend and put your autograph on about 40 posters or more. Kas has volunteered to do so. We may have a few special guests do this, as well. Several names come to mind. (Write small!) It becomes a real keeper. I think one of the ISOA guys has volunteered to do the printing....on a very nice stock. (ISOA tends to be at the center of things...so does WPTA) I hope to meet with Firefly Studios in Detroit this week to discuss that project and perhaps another one we are working on. And so it goes..... Joe Alexander Oh ya: If you need some special photography done or your Corporate Annual Report, check out http://www.fireflystudios.com/ From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 09:26:44 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA66DAEBECE01F-CD4-1E7C@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for celebration. Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. ==AM== Of course, if we could find some willing benefactor to sponsor shipping TS2 over for the weekend, that would be WAY COOL! (Probably too much to ask of that benefactor to get the Le Mans and Macao Spitfires over here from Canley Classics as well....) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 09:49:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:49:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test References: <186320.23277.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c898c6$ff051990$0202a8c0@Bud> thanks Gang Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: RACER BUD Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test got your request ... hope you get this ... RACER BUD wrote: Hello...I am testing my email..I have not received any messages today..Will appreciate a response Thanks Racer Bud spitfire #21 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Apr 7 10:18:14 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: <529928.1773101207585094857.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> I've done some group photos before. Lots to consider. You need a good sized space, good light, background and a ladder or lift. Oh ya, and a bullhorn helps! And planning, planning, planning! It's a lot like herding cats. Here's links to a couple of examples. I didn't set these up myself but got to see how it was done. And when it's done right.. ohh baby! http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1769/porschefamilyed1bv8.jpg http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8392/917familyedks0.jpg I'm planning on going to the Glen, still some arrangements to make. Be happy to help. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Date: 2008/04/07 Mon AM 09:10:47 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs >FOT > >Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and his TR4 >used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit more than that >from time to time. > >He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it to it's >former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it with..............he >will be at The Glen, of course. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >----------------------------------- > >Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this >glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, >Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the >Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. > >Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, >there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for >celebration. > >Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the very least, >I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR Hospitality Tent >to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the New >Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, complete with >darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. > >I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that will step up >and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of Historic >Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th Anniversary....the >Brits are coming back for that one. > >Thanks, > >Joe Alexander >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 10:34:19 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:34:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: Kurt, we have done the Panoramic Camera thing a couple of times. With great results. I am not looking at anything that ambitious. All that planning extracts a toll. Even if someone else does the work..... But if we can invite some significant cars to group up and take some pictures, this would be cool. Give this some thought. Volunteers will achieve a higher status in the WPTA Hospitality Tent. Thanks! Regards, Joe Alexander > I've done some group photos before. Lots to consider. You need a good sized > space, good light, background and a ladder or lift. Oh ya, and a bullhorn > helps! And planning, planning, planning! It's a lot like herding cats. > > Here's links to a couple of examples. I didn't set these up myself but got > to see how it was done. And when it's done right.. ohh baby! > > http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1769/porschefamilyed1bv8.jpg > > http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8392/917familyedks0.jpg > > I'm planning on going to the Glen, still some arrangements to make. Be happy > to help. > > Cheers, > Kurt O. > From Billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 7 11:00:19 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Diane is a good shooter, I'm sure she'll be glad to do the clicking, not so sure about the organizing. On Apr 7, 2008, at 7:10 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and > his TR4 > used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit > more than that > from time to time. > > He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it > to it's > former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it > with..............he > will be at The Glen, of course. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------- > > Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be > seen this > glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo > opportunity.....TR250K, > Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, > TR8....the > Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring > cars. > > Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that > without TS1, > there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for > celebration. > > Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the > very least, > I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR > Hospitality Tent > to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the > New > Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, > complete with > darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. > > I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that > will step up > and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of > Historic > Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th > Anniversary....the > Brits are coming back for that one. > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 11:25:42 2008 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. TIA, Mark From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 12:08:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:08:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Steel Flywheels Message-ID: FoT, It's a little premature because I have not shipped the TR3/4 Flywheels yet. But I could compile a list. I have two folks on the list so far from FOT Inquiries. TR6 Steel Flywheels 4130 Steel Less than 10 lbs 8.5 Clutch Later crank configuration Engineering is done and being verified Cost depends on Volume. Have representive digitals of manufacturing operations. Thanks..send name (only) Name submitted represents an 'interest' not an order. Joe A From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Apr 7 13:32:20 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:32:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Preparing for the Targa Tazmania Message-ID: >From the Telegraph in the U.K. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/04/05/mftar ga105.xml Kev Lynch RMVR From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 13:40:28 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:40:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Leading Arm" Anti-Swaybar- Front Message-ID: I have seen two of these. One on a TR3A and one on a car in my garage. It's a TR-250. It is 1" or so. It is mounted on the frame behind the A-Arms and has some heim joints. One (possible) benefit is a longer moment arm than is usual, when mounted at the front. Another is that it sets some weight back behind the front wheels. Anybody else do this? Anybody else want to try it? I am not going to. This one is available. Joe Alexander From Billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 7 13:53:07 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:53:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sure, as long as the casters are good quality and the floor is smooth and clean. Even a small piece of junk is good-sized relative to a caster wheel diameter. The wheel has to go over anything it hits and that means lifting the weight on that wheel over the obstruction using the lever of the wheel. the bigger the wheel, the easier it is to go over obstructions. Or you can use soft wheels and deal with a lot of friction. I assume you're intending to use wheel dollies--most have small diameters so your floor needs to be smooth and spotless. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the > best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer > on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, > and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I > figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. > > > TIA, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 7 16:12:38 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale Message-ID: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> One of our Club Members is selling his TR6 From: "Norma Miller" To: Subject: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:02:53 -0700 Due to circumstances beyond my control, I must put my 1974 TR-6 up for sale. I've had the car about a year and have put many labor of love hours into bringing it up to its present condition. The car has no rust or rot in it. The sheet metal, etc. is in good condition. The following parts are new: Redline tires, trim rings, center wheel emblems, windshield wiper arms and blades, sun visors, trunk liner, engine air guide, two horns and relay. Tie rod ends (front end alignment done two weeks ago), sway bar bushings, rack and pinion bushings , master cylinder with vacuum assist, flexible brake lines, wheel cylinders, disc brake pads, steering column stiffener bracket, battery, light switch, top locking handle, radio speaker holders, seat belts, trunk light switch. All this and more. Floor pans are cleaned and repainted with rustoleum, then new sound and heat deadening material. I installed a new hood release cable and added the extra release cable. The engine compression test showed 155 to 160 PSI on all cylinders. I also just installed new plugs, points and condenser and set the timing. What the car needs is the hood adjusted for proper fit, carburettors adjusted, slight paint chips touched up and a new owner to finish up the job to have a very nice car. I'm ready to take the loss and sell the car for $4,950 for a quick sale. I'm a club member. My name is Tom Miller - phone 602-788-4453. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 16:30:56 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale References: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> where is the car? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale > One of our Club Members is selling his TR6 > > From: "Norma Miller" > To: > Subject: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:02:53 -0700 > Due to circumstances beyond my control, I must put my 1974 TR-6 up > for sale. I've had the car about a year and have put many labor of > love hours into bringing it up to its present condition. The car > has no rust or rot in it. The sheet metal, etc. is in good > condition. The following parts are new: Redline tires, trim > rings, center wheel emblems, windshield wiper arms and blades, sun > visors, trunk liner, engine air guide, two horns and relay. Tie > rod ends (front end alignment done two weeks ago), sway bar > bushings, rack and pinion bushings , master cylinder with vacuum > assist, flexible brake lines, wheel cylinders, disc brake pads, > steering column stiffener bracket, battery, light switch, top > locking handle, radio speaker holders, seat belts, trunk light > switch. All this and more. Floor pans are cleaned and repainted > with rustoleum, then new sound and heat deadening material. I > installed a new hood release cable and added the extra release > cable. The engine compression test showed 155 to 160 PSI on all > cylinders. I also just installed new plugs, points and condenser > and set the timing. What the car needs is the hood adjusted for > proper fit, carburettors adjusted, slight paint chips touched up > and a new owner to finish up the job to have a very nice car. I'm > ready to take the loss and sell the car for $4,950 for a quick > sale. I'm a club member. My name is Tom Miller - phone > 602-788-4453. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 7 17:07:07 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale In-Reply-To: <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20080407230746.QIEO9874.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Sorry, The car is in the Phoenix area At 03:30 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >where is the car? From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 20:47:30 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c89922$e405eaf0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Concur. Regarding the soft wheels, I put some large pneumatic tired casters on my chassis rotisserie. The good part is it doesn't move when your working on the car. The bad part is it doesn't move easily when you want to move it, even with lots of air pressure. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mark Vaden Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal Sure, as long as the casters are good quality and the floor is smooth and clean. Even a small piece of junk is good-sized relative to a caster wheel diameter. The wheel has to go over anything it hits and that means lifting the weight on that wheel over the obstruction using the lever of the wheel. the bigger the wheel, the easier it is to go over obstructions. Or you can use soft wheels and deal with a lot of friction. I assume you're intending to use wheel dollies--most have small diameters so your floor needs to be smooth and spotless. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the > best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer > on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, > and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I > figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. > > > TIA, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 8 12:15:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:15:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT Message-ID: FOT List: Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with family near Road America. Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on an existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's school in June, but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning him about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of this. Joe A. From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 8 12:18:38 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> A second for Phil! I've been in touch with him recently, he'll fit right in with FOT! Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Philhyer at gmail.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT FOT List: Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with family near Road America. Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on an existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's school in June, but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning him about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of this. Joe A. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From Billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 8 12:53:00 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:53:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> " he'll fit right in with FOT!" That's the worst recommendation I've ever heard On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > A second for Phil! > I've been in touch with him recently, he'll fit right in with FOT! > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Philhyer at gmail.com > Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:15 pm > Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT > > FOT List: > > Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with > family > near Road America. > > Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on > an > existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's > school > in June, > but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. > > Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com > > Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning > him > about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of > this. > > Joe A. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Apr 8 13:03:24 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:03:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> References: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47FBC17C.4020509@dfn.com> Bill Babcock wrote: > " he'll fit right in with FOT!" That's the worst recommendation I've > ever heard > On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > > Which is sort of a twist on Groucho Marx's comment: "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From mark at bradakis.com Wed Apr 9 00:43:55 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:43:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hardtop seal? Message-ID: <47FC65AB.30704@bradakis.com> A fellow here in Salt Lake is looking for the rubber seal for the rear glass in his TR6 factory hardtop, part number 815534. The usual suspects here in the states don't seem to have it, but Moss UK lists it on their web page. Does anyone have a lead on a stateside source for this item? Thanks, mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 08:51:04 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jimhearn1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:51:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hardtop seal? Message-ID: <040920081451.3924.47FCD7D800013EB200000F542200734840CE029D0E0A08030706@comcast.net> The Roadster Factory should have it; they did when I got it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mark J Bradakis > A fellow here in Salt Lake is looking for the rubber seal > for the rear glass in his TR6 factory hardtop, part number > 815534. The usual suspects here in the states don't seem > to have it, but Moss UK lists it on their web page. > > Does anyone have a lead on a stateside source for this > item? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 9 10:02:48 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:02:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [WtW] OT: Homemade Sports Car In-Reply-To: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> References: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> Message-ID: <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Like a cross between a Devlin and a Jag E-Type inspired body. The two missing pictures... http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945/picture030za8.jpg http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/picture020wg4.jpg At 08:37 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >SHO power plant. Fiberglass body. 2500 lbs with driver. 255 HP. Just >needs windshield to be done. > >http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3030/picture005vb7.jpg > >http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7840/picture034vz9.jpg > >http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945 ... 030za8.jpg > >http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/ ... 020wg4.jpg From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 9 10:55:44 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:55:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [WtW] OT: Homemade Sports Car In-Reply-To: <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: interesting car, looks like a lot of high-quality work. On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:02 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > Like a cross between a Devlin and a Jag E-Type inspired body. > > The two missing pictures... > > http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945/picture030za8.jpg > > http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/picture020wg4.jpg > > At 08:37 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >> SHO power plant. Fiberglass body. 2500 lbs with driver. 255 HP. Just >> needs windshield to be done. >> >> http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3030/picture005vb7.jpg >> >> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7840/picture034vz9.jpg >> >> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945 ... 030za8.jpg >> >> http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/ ... 020wg4.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 14:45:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake cable info needed Message-ID: <001c01c89a82$b6d9c450$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..can anyone help me with the application for Quinton Hazell cable #BC735?..probably an old part #. Thanks Racer Bud From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 9 15:25:08 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> Hello list. We will be attending Import Carlisle as a vendor. Spaces D80 & D81. Will be there Thursday afternoon, Friday and Saturday but not on Sunday. If you have any parts requests prior to the event, I can bring them out. Save money on shipping. If the items are extremely large, we need to know well in advance. I will have our usual stock of new goodies -- steel braid brake hoses, gear reduction starters, suspension components, Kevlar brakes; urethane bushings, etc. Will also have some used pieces. Please let me know what you need. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 10 08:34:05 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADEA2F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hi gang, I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is perfectly legal in the group I race with. The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot shaft and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is to cut the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area down. Are there other ways to go here? If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines back another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch cut off of them? Scott B. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 10 09:06:49 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADEA2F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000d01c89b1c$80ad74e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Scott, When I converted the GT6 gearox from the body I sold you, that is exactlywhat I did. Cutting the input shatf and machining the bit that goes into the pilot bushing was all that was necessary. You will have to find a clutch disk withthe proper splines but Ted Schumacher can help there. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions > Hi gang, > > I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to > put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is > perfectly legal in the group I race with. > > The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot shaft > and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is to cut > the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area down. Are > there other ways to go here? > > If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines back > another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch cut off > of them? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Apr 10 09:54:15 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions In-Reply-To: <000d01c89b1c$80ad74e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <000401c89b23$22f1ed20$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I did the same thing with a gearbox I got from Ted. The outer 0.050" or so of the shaft is case hardened and it took a long time with very small cuts to remove it. Once through however, the shaft is fairly soft, so it cuts easily. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:07 AM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions Scott, When I converted the GT6 gearox from the body I sold you, that is exactlywhat I did. Cutting the input shatf and machining the bit that goes into the pilot bushing was all that was necessary. You will have to find a clutch disk withthe proper splines but Ted Schumacher can help there. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions > Hi gang, > > I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to > put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is > perfectly legal in the group I race with. > > The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot > shaft and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is > to cut the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area > down. Are there other ways to go here? > > If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines > back another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch > cut off of them? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 11 13:44:04 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <47FFBF84.8040509@cfl.rr.com> test From rikrock at aol.com Fri Apr 11 13:52:53 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle In-Reply-To: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> References: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CA6A24C3E7373F-11F4-3132@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Other FOT will be there selling parts as well.? Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Matt Bakes and I will be in rows "I" and "J".? Stop by and say hello (and buy something) ;-) Rich Rock ----- From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 15:14:55 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle References: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> <8CA6A24C3E7373F-11F4-3132@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c89ce2$4210d340$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> WPTA will be at Carlisle in force as usual - spaces C66,C67 and C68. Stop by for a beer. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Other FOT will be there selling parts as well.? Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, > Matt Bakes and I will be in rows "I" and "J".? Stop by and say hello (and > buy something) ;-) > > Rich Rock > > > ----- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From igofaster at charter.net Sat Apr 12 15:20:34 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> Ya'll ..or 'yous guys' for those of you north of the Red River.. don't want to hear my Triumph GT6 transmission story. I'll share a clue though. 6 hours to Hallett OK for 1 1/2 laps to come back home... gearbox... #54 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Bobby Whitehead so... gearbox out tonight, back to square one... From britbits at netzero.com Sat Apr 12 19:34:19 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. In-Reply-To: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> References: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <002d01c89d06$807f4c50$33771342@jrg> Bobby, Bummer to hear that. I hauled an autocrosser 400 miles to New Orleans to have it start popping out of gear on my co-driver on the first run of a 2 day event. So I understand the feeling. Out of curiousity.. what was the failure mode? Spun bearing? Failed synchro? Layshaft out the side of the gearbox? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser and too many other toys to list ;) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. Ya'll ..or 'yous guys' for those of you north of the Red River.. don't want to hear my Triumph GT6 transmission story. I'll share a clue though. 6 hours to Hallett OK for 1 1/2 laps to come back home... gearbox... #54 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Bobby Whitehead so... gearbox out tonight, back to square one... Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Apr 13 19:03:57 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 Message-ID: <200804140104.m3E14iPH466667@ns3.geneseo.net> I need to replace the front diff seal and the front crank seal on my TR6. I replaced them both, along with Speedisleeves, not too long ago, but they are leaking too much to put up with. I'd like to be able to buy the seals prior to disassembling and measuring the iron pieces if someone has the specs. Thanks uncle jack From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 09:56:21 2008 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ Message-ID: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. Aaron From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Apr 14 06:42:46 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 References: <200804140104.m3E14iPH466667@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <002401c89e2d$0b4de3b0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Jack - On my TR3A, I had to change the front seal and couldn't get a speedi-sleeve that would do the job. So I spoke to a seal supplier and we found a new seal with a slightly smalled ID that was available and it was a very standard part. Then I turned down and polished the OD of the shaft where it was worn with a groove and polished it to the correct diameter for the new seal. It doesn't leak now and I didn't need to use a speedi-sleeve. Don Elliott, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 >I need to replace the front diff seal and the front crank seal on my > TR6. I replaced them both, along with Speedisleeves, not too long > ago, but they are leaking too much to put up with. > > > I'd like to be able to buy the seals prior to disassembling and > measuring the iron pieces if someone has the specs. > > Thanks > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 14 08:37:59 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ In-Reply-To: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D0 7009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> References: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080414144800.KDQQ12496.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> That would be us. Have your friend contact me. The DCTRA is more then willing to help a fellow TR owner. Dave Riddle dave at microworks.net 480-610-8234 Club website: http://www.dctra.org At 08:56 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly >blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. > >Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. > > >Aaron >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 14 08:48:23 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ Message-ID: <20080414144926.XTM9874.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> That would be us. Have your friend contact me. The DCTRA is more then willing to help a fellow TR owner. Dave Riddle dave at microworks.net 480-610-8234 Club website: http://www.dctra.org At 08:56 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly >blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. > >Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. > > >Aaron >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 14 12:06:16 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Spitfire Racer Message-ID: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> I have a friend who is looking to return to road racing and wants to buy a turn-key Spitfire racer. (He would also look at a TR6 or similar) Does anybody know of a good car for sale? Please contact ne at robert at mackenzie.aero Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Apr 14 12:31:46 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:31:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] flat towing Triumphs Message-ID: Ha any one had trouble or can give guidance to me re: flat towing my TR4A?? Thanks in advance! Kevin From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Apr 14 18:17:15 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:17:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wrist pins needed Message-ID: <20080415011503.204A5187653@autox.team.net> Does anyone have an extra set of serviceable wrist pins for sale ? Thanks, Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Apr 14 19:00:37 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:00:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Wrist pins needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080415015815.254F61878ED@autox.team.net> Oops, they're for an 86.5mm TR4 jg _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:50 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist pins needed In a message dated 4/14/2008 7:16:46 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Does anyone have an extra set of serviceable wrist pins for sale ? Thanks, Jim G. for what? From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 15 06:45:17 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:45:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor Message-ID: <8dae5aeaa809d540a479c2ed2be941a1@wi.rr.com> FoT, Does anyone have an early TR3 brake rotor laying around on a shelf that could help me with a few measurements? I need the exact diameter and the "hat" dimension (vertical height when the rotor is laying on a flat surface). Thanks for any help. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Apr 15 07:16:53 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor References: <8dae5aeaa809d540a479c2ed2be941a1@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <003101c89efa$fa4c82f0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Allan - I measured the rotor on my 1958 TR3A. It is a very early TR3A (TS 27489 LO). I am still using the original rotors with 178,000 miles from new. The OD measures 10.030" overall. The "hat" sidewalls are tapered. At the rotor (brim), the hat diameter measures 6" OD and where the outer hub is secured, the OD of the flat face measures 5.25". I turned the braking faces during my full body-off restoration from 1987 to 1990 and the thichness measures 0.470". The height of the hat is 1.030" from the rotor to the flat face. I assume that it's 1" nominal and with the turning, it accounts for the extra. Don Elliott, Original Owner, Montreal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor > FoT, > > Does anyone have an early TR3 brake rotor laying around on a shelf that > could help me with a few measurements? I need the exact diameter and > the "hat" dimension (vertical height when the rotor is laying on a flat > surface). > > Thanks for any help. > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 08:05:23 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:05:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Racer In-Reply-To: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> References: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> Message-ID: <5E86E7A9-B6EE-47D3-AA2F-565B5494A731@earthlink.net> I too have a friend looking for a racer. TR4 or 4A "drive to the track racer" Location is not important. Price vs. quality is. My friend Bill Swope started racing in '63 with a TR4. Since then he has run the gamut - Formula cars, Can-Am, sports racers and a gaggle of 911's. He is now going full circle back to his TR roots. If a viable car can be found, Bill would likely join us at Watkins Glen. Any leads? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Robert D. MacKenzie wrote: > I have a friend who is looking to return to road racing and wants > to buy a > turn-key Spitfire racer. (He would also look at a TR6 or similar) > > Does anybody know of a good car for sale? Please contact ne at > robert at mackenzie.aero > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Apr 15 08:34:20 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:34:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flat tow Message-ID: I appreciate all the comments offered on this subject. It appears the cons out weighed the pros 2-1. Guess I'll keep an eye open for a car dolly. Or any dollies for that matter... Kevin From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 15 09:38:27 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 AutoX In-Car Message-ID: Hi, I took some in-car at the first event of the year up here in NE. http://youtube.com/watch?v=S3w_ht7BAEk It was an interesting event, but I wound up third overall raw time which is "not bad" considering there were 5 MOD car drivers in my heat. But I was only about 1 second off FTD, and I think if I hand't bobbled a bit on one leg, I might have been another .5 sec. faster which would have put me in second overall. Enjoy! Oh - the sound sucks. Sorry about that. I'm going to play with the built in mic. to see if I can fix that. I really want to hear that sweet 6 when I watch the vid! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 12:15:40 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Valve Cover cap for Triumphtune valve cover Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804161115r1d02c1d5m6d294a30af5ee58d@mail.gmail.com> I have a nice old black Triumphtune valve cover with no cap. It seems to be a strange size -- bigger hole than standard cap, but same configuration with the lip on the outside. The diameter is about 2.4 inches with the maximum diameter of the inside is 2.25. Any help appreciated. -- Chuck Arnold From rikrock at aol.com Wed Apr 16 14:15:19 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Apr 16 14:22:33 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74B3AAE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rikrock at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From tdwark at mpinet.net Wed Apr 16 14:33:40 2008 From: tdwark at mpinet.net (Thomas D. Wark) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <480662A4.1030105@mpinet.net> Tom Wark seconds, Gary's nomination, Gary would be an asset to The FOT because of his vast Triumph Spots Car knowledge and his ability to get along with others. Tom Wark Tavares, FL rikrock at aol.com wrote: > I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. > ? > Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) > ? > This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? > > Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tdwark at mpinet.net From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 16 14:40:28 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA6E193DBE5353-B9C-EA7@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> Rick I'll third or fourth that nomination. Gary BELONGS in the FOT... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rikrock at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net; gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 4:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Apr 16 16:23:51 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I too welcome Gary. We certainly could use more TR6 representation!!! Allen On Apr 16, 2008, at 3:15 PM, rikrock at aol.com wrote: > I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. > ? > Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are > likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might > see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not > busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary > worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit > right in ;-) > ? > This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the > process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I > have a second, please? > > Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Apr 16 17:09:13 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:09:13 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <200804161709286.SM06140@[166.70.182.40]> Rich, I'll happy 2nd Gary's nomination!B Gary was a huge help to Susan and I at VIR in 2004.B Gary carted me all over town when I was trying to find carb socks for Susan's spitfire.B His help got her back on the track a lot sooner than I could haveB hoped for. Plus he was a recipient of the Sweat Equity award at the VTR convention in Philadelphia, what more can you say! Welcome Gary! Brad -----Original Message----- From: Sent 4/16/2008 2:15:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net, gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] NominationI would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as brad.kahler at 141.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 16 18:58:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:58:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: And Gary will be adding value to the WPTA Hospitality Tent at Watkins Glen with his famous English Pub with Bar & Darts. You never know where you are going to find Gary. I was driving down a 'farm to market' road in northern Iowa one Saturday and there was Gary driving an antique Farmall. He called me the following Monday from Florida, not knowing I had seen him. Small World. Joe A > I too welcome Gary. We certainly could use more TR6 representation!!! > > Allen > > From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Apr 17 08:06:20 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: Yea, Gary! He's helping me put my TR3 engine back in this afternoon! Got it done by Abacus and have 158.6 hp at the crank. Hope this is enough. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 17 08:20:07 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003401c8a096$23cc9dd0$7d01a8c0@richardiipc> That is 158.6 hp at what RPM? Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Yea, Gary! He's helping me put my TR3 engine back in this afternoon! Got it done by Abacus and have 158.6 hp at the crank. Hope this is enough. Tim Suddard From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Apr 17 08:36:16 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:36:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 for sale Message-ID: <20080417153542.F2BAC187673@autox.team.net> Hello follow FOT members. In Albuquerque, NM I have a 1974 Triumph TR6 for sale. It is a hot daily driver and a great autocross car. It is listed on ebaymotors item number 330227084897 in case anyone might know somebody that would like to buy a TR6 that is straight, fast and has nothing on the "fix it now" list. Just turn the key and drive. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM email: walt at hot-tr6.com ph 1 505 362-4350 From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Apr 17 08:42:16 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:42:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: Need to check my chart, but I think it was right around 6000-6200. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From kaskas at cox.net Thu Apr 17 09:49:35 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts References: <022701c8a04b$0d9c2f30$0201a8c0@Grendel> Message-ID: <000d01c8a0a2$a4ae4690$3a16c548@RW> I have just received this notice that the crank scraper is now available for the TR-3 and TR-4. Look like the real stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com To: Kas Kastner Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Triumph Parts Hi Kas, I finally got to the TR3/TR4 patterns: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380018615598 Kind regards, Kevin Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers http://www.crank-scrapers.com Land O' Lakes, Florida 727-808-8602 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The materials in this electronic mail transmission (including all attachments) are private and confidential and are the property of the sender. The information contained in the material may be legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, be advised that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or electronic message and thereafter, destroy it immediately. From John.Fridirici at grande.com Thu Apr 17 15:17:05 2008 From: John.Fridirici at grande.com (Fridirici, John) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> All, We break them. Does anyone know why this happens? Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now broken. John Wagner and John Fridirici From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Apr 17 16:03:04 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <041720082203.9057.4807C917000C5CB5000023612205886360970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 17 16:23:32 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> References: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Fridirici, John wrote: > All, > > We break them. Yep. > Does anyone know why this happens? I have theories. Bottom line: the top-hat has a sharp cut and it's very likely to crack / shear there. It happens faster if you bang / crunch gears, especially 1st to 2nd. Once that puppy shears, all bets are off because the end-float goes to crap and other stuff starts to break or go bad. If you're lucky, you catch it before the spacer explodes and you loose the synchro hub, second gear and the mainshaft. Not that _I've_ ever done that. But if you've pumped up your power, you're probably putting in something like 50% more input power (and torque) than the stock setup. It's probable that you're outside of the designed specs, hence the failures. > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. If you have brass on steel, you probably are seeing the brass wear causing excessive end-float and then "other collateral problems". You can get steel top-hats that fit in the old-style second gear mainshaft gear, they work pretty good. Just like the late-style TR6 setup (but with the older gears that you probably have). > John Wagner and John Fridirici Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 17 16:26:53 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: References: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Robert Lang wrote: > You can get steel top-hats that fit in the old-style second gear mainshaft > gear, they work pretty good. Just like the late-style TR6 setup (but with > the older gears that you probably have). OOps - forgot to say that I've purchased the steel that fits the old style 2nd gear from Quantum Mechanics. Moss used to list them, I haven't seen then for a while there, but then again, I haven't looked. >> John Wagner and John Fridirici regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From igofaster at charter.net Thu Apr 17 17:26:27 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080417192627.MNZU9.3679.root@fepweb07> probably dumb question... Am I OK to run the Redline 90w synthetic in my Triumph gearbox? busy sorting junk Triumph gearboxes for my GT6.... sans T50... Bobby Whitehead..... From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Apr 17 17:30:56 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:30:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil Message-ID: Absolutely run the Redline! I broke GT6 gearboxes repeatedly until I gave up and used a close ratio TR box. The tech guys accepted it because it was Triumph, used at LeMans and added 45 pounds to the car. If you have a racing clutch it will exacerbate the problem. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Apr 17 18:33:45 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil References: <20080417192627.MNZU9.3679.root@fepweb07> Message-ID: As long as you use the MT 90. It has the proper friction properties for a syncronized gearbox. Standard Red Line gear oil would be too "slippery" for proper syncro operation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: igofaster at charter.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil probably dumb question... Am I OK to run the Redline 90w synthetic in my Triumph gearbox? busy sorting junk Triumph gearboxes for my GT6.... sans T50... Bobby Whitehead..... _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 17 19:59:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:59:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. Message-ID: FoT List This is about FLYWHEELS.......interested? otherwise delete. TR3 TR4 Steel Flywheel - Best Design, I think. eBay Item number: 170211511476 Pictures of finished and work in process flywheels I pulled the first steel flywheel off of the production pallet today. I located a ring gear on it and fastened it. I located steel flywheel onto a crankshaft and fastened it. I located a diaphragm type pressure plate on it and fastened it. It all fits and this one goes on my Ambro. That leaves a few left out of a run of 25 Flywheels. This design has a large chamfer in small ID for ease of assembly of the transmission that other steel flywheels may not have. (Thanks, Dean Tetterton) Material is milled at the periphery, where it counts most. 4130 Steel....chromium, nickel, & molybdenum content...used in connecting rods and other critical components (Thanks, Chuck Gee). Tomorrow, I start packaging and shipping. Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Thu Apr 17 23:02:53 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? Message-ID: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator for his street car. What are some of the currently available recommended options? Thanks, mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 17 23:42:35 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:42:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469C35CE65B04FA3B8F4DDBF2AC6DFB6@Mobil> I use one of those design and can recommend them very much. They are very easy to the crank stress and protect the rear main journal from wear because of the small weight. Very good stuff! Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. > FoT List > > This is about FLYWHEELS.......interested? otherwise delete. > > TR3 TR4 Steel Flywheel - Best Design, I think. > eBay Item number: 170211511476 > Pictures of finished and work in process flywheels > > I pulled the first steel flywheel off of the production pallet today. > I located a ring gear on it and fastened it. > I located steel flywheel onto a crankshaft and fastened it. > I located a diaphragm type pressure plate on it and fastened it. > > It all fits and this one goes on my Ambro. > > That leaves a few left out of a run of 25 Flywheels. > > This design has a large chamfer in small ID for ease of assembly of the > transmission that other steel flywheels may not have. (Thanks, Dean > Tetterton) > > Material is milled at the periphery, where it counts most. > > 4130 Steel....chromium, nickel, & molybdenum content...used in connecting > rods and other critical components (Thanks, Chuck Gee). > > Tomorrow, I start packaging and shipping. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From mjb at autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 00:19:01 2008 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:19:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: GT6 gearbox, racer...] Message-ID: <48083D55.60509@autox.team.net> For some reason this was sent to me rather than fot at autox.team.net. mjb. From: igofaster at charter.net Subject: GT6 gearbox, racer Date: 04/17/08 22:29 OK... 'nother question with intent... My TRANSMISSION is an issue... What is the kick ass Triumph transmssion for my GT6? I've tried to stab a TR6 box in the space and I recall it is a major frame modificaion to allow the rear TR6 housing to squeeze in between the frame. CVAR only will allow Triumph tranny. The GT6 gearbox upgrade from Quantum is probably OK, but my ineptness may have come to light is I tried to remove my T50 Toyota 5 speed. Bob Davis had installed the hydraulic release bearing, and if I did anything wrong, it was not understanding the alignment of the release bearing on the clutch... I had metal shavings on my drain plug after less than 3 miles under driving conditions. I've stabbed an old early GT6 gearbox on to try to make Eagles Canyon next month... it was in the backyard in my parts bin..no top cover... and as I flushed it, there was some mice turds in it... I was wondering of the organic mice turd was preferred over the synthetic... If I can just exhibit at some speed around the course and give the Miss America wave in last place of my heat, I'll be,,, OK.... Peace guys! #54 Yellow CVAR EP GT6+ Bobby Whitehead From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 07:04:28 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:04:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> Neil sent this to me directly instead of the FOT List. Attention John F and John W -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Neil Revington" To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:46:49 +0000 Hi We do an all steel version of the early bush which doesn't break if that helps. cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: 17 April 2008 23:03 To: Fridirici, John; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Apr 18 07:13:40 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? In-Reply-To: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark, I bought mine last year from Ron Davis Racing Products, Glendale, AZ. (623) 877-5000. It was beautifully made and fit perfect. They seem to me to be a well run business - good customer service and their product is well supported. Allen On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Apr 18 07:58:02 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA6F7352EA9FC3-3AC-195@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> This is good news. These have been on the market in the past but I wasn't aware of a current supplier. It's a lot easier the convert the box without having to use late TR-6 stuff. FWIW I have always attributed the tophat breakage to excessive end-float & a marginal design. The tophat is supported (axially) only by the end of the 3rd gear bush. When the 2nd gear gets to chucking back & forth there's enough load to crack the tophat at the inside corner... Glen -----Original Message----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:04 am Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings Neil sent this to me directly instead of the FOT List. Attention John F and John W -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Neil Revington" To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:46:49 +0000 Hi We do an all steel version of the early bush which doesn't break if that helps. cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: 17 April 2008 23:03 To: Fridirici, John; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Apr 18 08:06:04 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:06:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <03e801c8a15d$57c26fd0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> I agree with Ron Davis Racing products. A very well made item. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? > A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From igofaster at charter.net Fri Apr 18 14:12:27 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 kick ass transmission In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080418161227.W8955.147467.root@fepweb15> I thought I posted this to the group but I type about as good as I mechanic.. From: igofaster at charter.net Subject: GT6 gearbox, racer Date: 04/17/08 22:29 OK... 'nother question with intent... My TRANSMISSION is an issue... What is the kick ass Triumph transmssion for my GT6? I've tried to stab a TR6 box in the space and I recall it is a major frame modificaion to allow the rear TR6 housing to squeeze in between the frame. CVAR only will allow Triumph tranny. The GT6 gearbox upgrade from Quantum is probably OK, but my ineptness may have come to light is I tried to remove my T50 Toyota 5 speed. Bob Davis had installed the hydraulic release bearing, and if I did anything wrong, it was not understanding the alignment of the release bearing on the clutch... I had metal shavings on my drain plug after less than 3 miles under driving conditions. I've stabbed an old early GT6 gearbox on to try to make Eagles Canyon next month... it was in the backyard in my parts bin..no top cover... and as I flushed it, there was some mice turds in it... I was wondering of the organic mice turd was preferred over the synthetic... If I can just exhibit at some speed around the course and give the Miss America wave in last place of my heat, I'll be,,, OK.... Peace guys! #54 Yellow CVAR EP GT6+ Bobby Whitehead From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 20:01:36 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8a1c1$4e41bbf0$6800a8c0@D9DGQM31> I got my TR4 aluminum rad. from TRF. It is very well made and it works well. I'm sure their TR6 rads are just as good. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? >A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Apr 18 22:13:58 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:13:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram Message-ID: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop wiper motor 2-speed one. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMUtI6orer9bU4diZbHeO v9Dv6CofnLU5SS8Bh7K2Znh4/ From dave at microworks.net Sat Apr 19 00:13:19 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:13:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram In-Reply-To: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20080419061414.RCNE9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Try this... http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the >previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed >motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop >wiper motor 2-speed one. Joe(B) >_____________________________________________________________ >Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMUtI6orer9bU4diZbHeO >v9Dv6CofnLU5SS8Bh7K2Znh4/ >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Apr 19 09:37:54 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil FWIW Message-ID: <001001c8a233$55b4c040$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I just bought a case of 12 of the Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil 20W-50 at my local "Fleet Farm" store for about $45. The case is marked "API SJ/SH/CD which is the old formulas with the 1200 ppm of ZDDP. The plastic bottles are still marked "API SM" which is the new formula. Someone had posted a response from Valvoline, if I remember correctly, that said the VR-1 still had the ZDDP and that Valvoline was in the process of relabeling the oil to reflect that. This seems to be the case. Also, the pdf on the Valvoline web site shows the VR-1 with 0.12% ZDDP or the 1200 ppm. Thought some might be interested. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 19 11:13:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? Message-ID: <000801c8a240$c0acb5d0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank pulley that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the TDC mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary that much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in the correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the damper has slipped From mini at wi.rr.com Sat Apr 19 18:37:19 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:37:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? In-Reply-To: <000801c8a240$c0acb5d0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <000201c8a27e$b44503e0$6400a8c0@home> Scott, Sometimes the vulcanizing bonding the rubber to the inner and outer metal parts of the vibration damper lets loose. The two parts can then move in relation to each other. I was timing an old British car once and I could actually use the timing gun to watch the timing marks rotate around the crank as the engine ran. Needless to say it was not possible to time that car as it was, had to replace the vibration damper. Richard Gehweiler mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank pulley that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the TDC mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary that much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in the correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the damper has slipped Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as mini at wi.rr.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 19 21:24:29 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:24:29 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram Message-ID: <20080419.232429.13448.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Thanks, but the diagrams do not show the optional wiring for the 2-speed wiper motor, as refered to. This motor has 7 wires going to it, including the ground. -- "David W. Riddle" wrote: Try this... http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the >previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed >motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop >wiper motor 2-speed one. 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Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngzRBUnTtu6qXcAagdgA1iO YvUuX9tjkAmMT3SvlA56GYJO/ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 19 22:53:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:53:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won Message-ID: <000801c8a2a2$7a559590$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let me be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. Congrats to her. It's a pity that the event was postponed yesterday and the coverage was changed to An ESPN channel that I don't get and I could not see it. :-( Oh well, a milestone, nonetheless. Cheers, Joe C. From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Apr 20 04:29:26 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram References: <20080419.232429.13448.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8a2d1$6884d720$6601a8c0@LoriPC> I checked a TR6 wiper motor on my shelf and it only has 5 wires (plug), as the wiring diagrams indicate. The motor you have probably isn't a TR6 wiper motor. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram > Thanks, but the diagrams do not show the optional wiring for the 2-speed > wiper > motor, as refered to. This motor has 7 wires going to it, including the > ground. > > -- "David W. Riddle" wrote: > Try this... > > http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 > > Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional > from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B > > > > At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >>Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >>wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >>diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following > the >>previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 > speed >>motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and > stop >>wiper motor 2-speed one. 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Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngzRBUnTtu6qXcAagdgA1iO > YvUuX9tjkAmMT3SvlA56GYJO/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 20 08:41:19 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? References: <000201c8a27e$b44503e0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <001c01c8a2f4$98b7ee50$3a16c548@RW> Because of this breakage of the bond problem, in the past I have always drilled an 1/8" hole right through both parts in the "V" of the pulley. Then each time I checked the engine I would fit a 1/8" length of welding rod into the hole to make certain the outer part had not moved in relation to the inner part. Many times caught the movement. Sometimes a little other times a lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gehweiler" To: ; "'Scott Janzen'" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? > Scott, > Sometimes the vulcanizing bonding the rubber to the inner and outer metal > parts of the vibration damper lets loose. The two parts can then move in > relation to each other. I was timing an old British car once and I could > actually use the timing gun to watch the timing marks rotate around the > crank as the engine ran. Needless to say it was not possible to time that > car as it was, had to replace the vibration damper. > > Richard Gehweiler > mini at wi.rr.com > 1.262.894.5460 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott > Janzen > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark > 12-15 degress off - why? > > I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank > pulley > that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple > checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the > TDC > mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary > that > much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in > the > correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the > damper > has slipped > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as mini at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Apr 20 08:50:17 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: <000801c8a2a2$7a559590$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: I heard about it this morning on NPR's newscast. It was only a matter of time. Good for her I say. Terry Stetler From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Apr 21 08:04:17 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:04:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won Message-ID: In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let > me > be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the > first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. > > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles from Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. I crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years ago. Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would concentrate more on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our paddock at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in all probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 09:15:32 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: Message-ID: <00c101c8a3c2$8b5add70$0200a8c0@Desktop> More important an American Win ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Danica Finally won > In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > spitlist at cox.net writes: > > >> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let >> me >> be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the >> first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. >> >> > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles > from > Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. > I > crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early > Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years > ago. > Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would > concentrate more > on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet > Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our > paddock > at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in > all > probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top > shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 13:11:21 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:11:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request Message-ID: <000a01c8a3e3$7ea1dd60$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> After too many DNF's, the Norlin Engineering Spitfire finally had a sucessful event. My wife, Patty drove the car in the Oregon Region SCCA's Vintage Production 1 class (under 1900 cc's) and finished 4th out of 8 cars in class. As usual, we were the only Triumph at the event, although all the Spridgets seem to be running an upgraded front disc brake setup that uses Spitfire rotors. In the last two weekends, they have cracked 4 of these rotors. I'm going to start carrying a bunch of spares to see if I can help offset the cost of race fuel. The Portland track was repaved last fall with some subtle changes to many of the corners and a significant change to turn 7. The straight leading to 7 has been lengthened and the turn has been tightened significantly and banked slightly. It's now a second gear corner for the Spit, which makes the track a bit more fun. Now the request for help. Patty is the Oregon Region Historian. Over the weekend, one of the workers gave her several thousand photographs, mostly black and white from the late '80s from Seattle and Portland. There are a number of really good shots of a very fast white TR3, including several victory lap photos from various corner workers stations (Hardy, if you want her to scan some of these, get hold of me off list). Anyway, as we were sitting in the motorhome at the track Saturday night sorting through all these photos, she asked me if I would send out a request to the FOT for archive type materials of Pacific Northwest racing, particularly SCCA racing. She's specifically interested in old Loud Pedal's (the region publication), race results, programs and photos. Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 14:00:08 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request References: <000a01c8a3e3$7ea1dd60$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <010801c8a3ea$4d445de0$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi jim...I'll forward your request to my newsletter group Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: Cc: "Patty Norlin" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request > After too many DNF's, the Norlin Engineering Spitfire finally had a > sucessful event. My wife, Patty drove the car in the Oregon Region SCCA's > Vintage Production 1 class (under 1900 cc's) and finished 4th out of 8 > cars > in class. As usual, we were the only Triumph at the event, although all > the > Spridgets seem to be running an upgraded front disc brake setup that uses > Spitfire rotors. In the last two weekends, they have cracked 4 of these > rotors. I'm going to start carrying a bunch of spares to see if I can > help > offset the cost of race fuel. > > The Portland track was repaved last fall with some subtle changes to many > of > the corners and a significant change to turn 7. The straight leading to 7 > has been lengthened and the turn has been tightened significantly and > banked > slightly. It's now a second gear corner for the Spit, which makes the > track > a bit more fun. > > Now the request for help. Patty is the Oregon Region Historian. Over the > weekend, one of the workers gave her several thousand photographs, mostly > black and white from the late '80s from Seattle and Portland. There are a > number of really good shots of a very fast white TR3, including several > victory lap photos from various corner workers stations (Hardy, if you > want > her to scan some of these, get hold of me off list). > > Anyway, as we were sitting in the motorhome at the track Saturday night > sorting through all these photos, she asked me if I would send out a > request > to the FOT for archive type materials of Pacific Northwest racing, > particularly SCCA racing. She's specifically interested in old Loud > Pedal's > (the region publication), race results, programs and photos. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Apr 21 14:10:39 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:10:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: Message-ID: <001a01c8a3eb$c5f0bdf0$6601a8c0@S1099895562> Didja hear Guthrie on Wind Tunnel last night? She told DeSpain that long ago she predicted it would be, counting from her Indy debut, another two generations before a capable gal could get a ride in top-shelf equipment and win -- then noted Danica did it in a generation and a half so a little ahead of Guthrie's timetable. And DeSpain also noted those who scoffed that she only won because it was a fuel mileage race (Hey, Helio was on a fuel mileage strategy too but Danica did it better). I can't help but think that in NASCAR the big question was what's happened to Hendrick this year, then Jimmie Johnson won last weekend at Phoenix on a fuel mileage strategy and everyone crows "Hendrick's back!" Either way, It's racing. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Danica Finally won > In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > spitlist at cox.net writes: > > >> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let >> me >> be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the >> first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. >> >> > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles > from > Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. > I > crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early > Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years > ago. > Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would > concentrate more > on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet > Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our > paddock > at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in > all > probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top > shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 21 14:22:56 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] : Seeking Spitfire Race Wheels Message-ID: <013701c8a3ed$7cb39660$761ac320$@net> I am looking for a set (or two) of Spitfire wheels. Specifically, I want a set of 14 X 6 for Autocross but also want another set of 13 X 6 or 13 x 5.5 Anybody have any extras they want to part with? Please call (210) 415-5107 or email to robert at mackenzie.aero Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX NASS # 511 From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Apr 21 17:29:38 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Apr 21 18:07:35 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:07:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Good Heavens Don, you mean you would want Mike to know all the insider secrets?! Ha ha I would be VERY pleased to 2nd that nomination. Mike is a good person and VERY Triumph loyal. Kind regards, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars, Branson, MO **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Apr 21 10:04:33 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cam followers (lifters) Message-ID: <200804220009.m3M09UCV305943@ns3.geneseo.net> I just thought I'd pass on a little info on lifters that might be of use to somebody. To the best of my knowledge, lifters for the TR3-4 are sold by British Frame and Engine, Moss, TRF, and British Parts Northwest. I tested 30 or 40 lifters from various sources. Of the lifters I've tested, I find that BPNW lifters do have a hardness between 54 and 60 Rockwell C. In addition, if you have the lifters refaced by Riddle Machine in Santa Ana CA, the hardness after refacing averages 57 Rockwell C. uncle jack From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 21 18:36:06 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Electronic "Flags" Message-ID: <20080422003724.BUHE9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> A post I found on the use of the new "Electronic" flags that F1 will use for the night race this year. http://www.f1-togo.com/2008-singapore-grand-prix/digiflags-at-singapore/ He has a link to a video of the system being tested. http://www.straitstimes.com/Video%2BNews/Singapore/STIVodcast_3919.html?playid=3919&type=Singapore',%20'multimedia',%20'width=850,%20height=625');%20void(''); From jdment at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 21 20:31:16 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <000b01c8a420$f0fa3fa0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Don I'll second the second! I won my first rally navigating with Mike's daughter in his TR4! Mike's an outstanding Triumph builder, mechanic, driver, and TR advocate. Jim McAndrew -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jdment=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jdment=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Carter Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:30 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jdment at suddenlink.net From jdment at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 21 20:40:23 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Message-ID: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 22 07:13:35 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:13:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay In-Reply-To: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> References: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> Looks like it had at least a shunt to the right front corner in its past. Appears clean rust-wise, but I wonder what's under the paint and what the actual mileage is? It's amusing to see what dealers try to extract from the iron they peddle. I still remember TR3 and 4s as cars that were pretty much given away when they stopped running back in the late 60's, early 70's. As Barret Jackson teaches, a fool and his/her money can be quickly parted. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James McAndrew Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 22 07:21:14 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:21:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay In-Reply-To: <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> References: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D6BA258@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Jim, It sure looks nice in pictures but I'd drive down and see it. I do notice some crusty paint in the engine compartment and cracked rubber seals that shouldn't exist at this kind of price. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:14 AM To: 'James McAndrew'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Looks like it had at least a shunt to the right front corner in its past. Appears clean rust-wise, but I wonder what's under the paint and what the actual mileage is? It's amusing to see what dealers try to extract from the iron they peddle. I still remember TR3 and 4s as cars that were pretty much given away when they stopped running back in the late 60's, early 70's. As Barret Jackson teaches, a fool and his/her money can be quickly parted. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James McAndrew Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 22 07:44:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:44:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: FOT, The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. What doth the list sayeth? This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite and no washers or locking tabs. It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. I likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the answer maybe different for others. Joe A From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 08:05:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:05:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] BRG and other shades of GREEN... Message-ID: Amici... BRG and other shades of GREEN are in the news what with Earth Day and all. Our own FOT TR6 racer, Allen Washatko and his Kubala Washatko Architects firm designed the 'greenest building on the planet.' The Aldo Leopold Legacy Center in Baraboo, Wisconsin was awarded 61 out of a possible 69 points by the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program (more than any other building in the world). Can't get into each and every effort made to achieve this success on list here, but suffice to say this building generates more energy than it needs, and is the first 'carbon neutral' building certified by LEED. Aldo Leopold would be proud. He was the hands on father of the modern conservation movement, and died fighting a brush fire in 1948. Kudos to Allen and Kubala Washatko. Bill Dentinger PS...What does such a green building cost? Well,...rumor has it the entire project ran about $325 per building square foot. Might sound high, but there are long term paybacks over and above the obvious earth friendly leanings. So one should use a 'life cycle' cost ruler when measuring such an effort. Anyway...I'll bet you Allen would tell you he's got three times that much in his TR6 (square foot costs). Good job Allen...in both efforts. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 22 08:11:01 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:11:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 1 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FF19@server.Triumph.local> Hard to believe VDCA has been doing this for 6 years, but the Sixth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR was held on April 18-20, 2008. Another strong showing. For many it was their first run of the season, but those folks who hail from the deep south never seem to have an off season. I wonder when they overhaul their cars? VDCA has a winning format for the Wild Hare, we run combined race groups so we get plenty of track time. Groups 1 & 4 run together; 2, 5 & 7 get to play; then 3, 5 & 8. To make the numbers work we share the track with a BMW drivers club. It's a great partnership that allows both clubs access to VIR, undoubtedly one of the premier tracks in the country. While the run groups are big, they are easily handled by the 3.27 mile track. Talk about track time, how does 4 sessions of Friday, 3 on Saturday, then warm ups, a no-additional-cost one hour enduro and a feature on Sunday afternoon sound? Everyone enjoyed a picture perfect day on Friday, one of the grid workers was telling us this is what we get when we engage a Weather Steward. I almost believed him... Saturday was almost as nice, but the showers did dampen the last session of the day, the BMW enduro. Hey, they all have wipers and defrosters, nobody felt all that bad about it. Sunday was cloudy and threatening, but we got our track time in on dry track. I am not really sure how this happened, but the Triumph Ghetto has gotten out of hand. Through the tireless efforts of a Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall, the word has gotten out that this is the event to drag your Triumph to. Heck, they even got Mike Jackson to abandon his FV buddies for the weekend and bring his TR3. When is the last time you saw that happen? TR3's were fielded by Mike Jackson, Jeff Snook, Dean Tetterton and Randy Williams. TR4's by Rob Deanes, Dennis DeLap, Henry Frye, Don Marshall, Paul O'Malley, Alan Pinel, Mark Wheatley and George Wright. Leo Oddi drove his beautiful TR250. Small chassis Triumphs were there as well, Tim Slater was there with his Spitfire and a I saw at least one GT6. The Friday night festivities have reached new heights as Captain Rob Deanes personally caught the fish, brought the deep fryers and all the preparations for a fish fry that couldn't be beat. Dean Tetterton was on Hush Puppy duty, and everybody was raving about the feast. Complete with all the fixing of the standard paddock party, we enjoyed traditional grilled mammal as well. All were welcome, all left happy. Our hats off to rookie TR4 pilot Rob Deanes for providing an incredible meal. Rob is easy to spot on track, his TR4 causes double-takes, as it closely resembles Old Blue of uncle jack racing fame. Of course Old Blue is no longer with us, so seeing it's ghost circulating the track makes me smile. --continued on Part 2 From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 22 08:11:59 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:11:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 2 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FF1A@server.Triumph.local> --continued from Part 1 The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make their presentation to the FOT-at-large. Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back onto the track. Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. Welcome aboard, Leo! Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get to know who your friends are! Until next time... From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 08:13:20 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: In a message dated 04/22/2008 8:44:50 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. > I > likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > answer maybe different for others. > > Joe... How can we take you serious about the other stuff, if you're going to lie to us about HP and RPMs? Bill (Damdinger) PS...Jan told me that while you are short on horsepower, she's seen you above 8,000 RPMs several times. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 22 08:20:55 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels References: Message-ID: <001f01c8a484$144f2a70$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I just got flywheel bolts from ARP for my aluminum flywheel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels > FOT, > > The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have > been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > > What doth the list sayeth? > > This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite > and > no washers or locking tabs. > > It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in > place. I > likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > answer maybe different for others. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 22 08:28:17 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:28:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> If 3/8 " -24 bolts (stock diameter): ARP p/n: 206-2802 (BMC A series is the intended application) If 7/16 " -20 bolts (I favor these): ARP p/n: 350-2802 (Ford 351 Nascar V-8 is the intended application). These use a 3/4" socket and are 12 point. No washers, red loctite, you have to grind a little off the end of the 7/16 bolts. - Tony At 08:44 AM 4/22/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have >been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > >What doth the list sayeth? > >This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite and >no washers or locking tabs. > >It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. I >likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the >answer maybe different for others. > >Joe A From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:52:22 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:52:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> References: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804220752s5e1e4efp53424a0878460f59@mail.gmail.com> I have eight extra of the Ford ones -- paid Summit about $8 each I think. Will sell. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > If 3/8 " -24 bolts (stock diameter): ARP p/n: 206-2802 (BMC A series > is the intended application) > If 7/16 " -20 bolts (I favor these): ARP p/n: 350-2802 (Ford 351 > Nascar V-8 is the intended application). These use a 3/4" socket and > are 12 point. > > No washers, red loctite, you have to grind a little off the end of > the 7/16 bolts. > > - Tony > > At 08:44 AM 4/22/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >FOT, > > > >The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I > have > >been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > > > >What doth the list sayeth? > > > >This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite > and > >no washers or locking tabs. > > > >It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in > place. I > >likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > >answer maybe different for others. > > > >Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 22 09:34:25 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Don Carter wrote: > I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross > competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is > known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. A Triumph dude AND an autocrosser??? Surely we've lowered our standards! I'll second (or third or whatever) that nomination. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 22 10:00:26 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?Race_Report_-_Wild_Hare_Run_=A0_Part_2?= Message-ID: <5B0D57B7.3DF82CD5.00159EE9@cs.com> egads! three TRs in one race! does this mean he gets to put three TR images on the side of his car like on fighter planes....? i hope he does so i can leave the track asap. i dont suppose this is the same guy that put BDI on his lid? >--continued from Part 1 > >The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make >their presentation to the FOT-at-large. > >Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this >weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many >were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with >gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil >pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. >We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was >able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. > >The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we >were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and >Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those >hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking >out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same >Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by >overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both >feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back >onto the track. > >Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting >with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the >paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog >Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a >steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. >Welcome aboard, Leo! > >Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period >correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around >the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are >reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get >to know who your friends are! > >Until next time... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From REK46 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 10:16:47 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:16:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: Be sure the flywheel bolts have an un-threaded shank to get at least through most of the flywheel thickness(without bottoming on the shank or the crank depth when torqued...full threaded bolts will machine the crank holes. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From REK46 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 10:18:45 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:18:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: i meant " machine the flywheel holes" ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 22 10:33:16 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <424463.8559.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert!!! What a silly fopah on your part .. of course we have no standards or I would never have been accepted ... Really, what were you thinking??? Robert Lang wrote: On A Triumph dude AND an autocrosser??? Surely we've lowered our standards! I'll second (or third or whatever) that nomination. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Apr 22 11:11:53 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Earth Day by- product from the 30's ! Message-ID: Speaking of 'Green' ...The Brits had a racing diesel back when. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080422/FREE/885148020/15 28/newsletter01 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Apr 22 11:49:44 2008 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:49:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Race_Report_-_Wild_Hare_Run_=C2=A0_Part_2?= Message-ID: <2588216.1208886584907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> No, not a guy involved with any actions up North. This guy is from the South and likely does not travel widely. He will be banned for life from VDCA and placed on the VMC Suspension list for the ever popular 13 months. If it is not widely known by ya'll, the VMC list is advisory only for all clubs. Each organization makes its own decision as to what to do with drivers listed by others. Mike Jackson Race Director - VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Sent: Apr 22, 2008 12:00 PM >To: "\"Henry Frye\"" , "\"Friends of > Triumph\"" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run B Part 2 > >egads! three TRs in one race! > >does this mean he gets to put three TR images on the side of his car like on fighter planes....? > >i hope he does so i can leave the track asap. > >i dont suppose this is the same guy that put BDI on his lid? > >>--continued from Part 1 >> >>The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make >>their presentation to the FOT-at-large. >> >>Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this >>weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many >>were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with >>gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil >>pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. >>We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was >>able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. >> >>The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we >>were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and >>Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those >>hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking >>out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same >>Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by >>overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both >>feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back >>onto the track. >> >>Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting >>with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the >>paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog >>Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a >>steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. >>Welcome aboard, Leo! >> >>Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period >>correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around >>the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are >>reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get >>to know who your friends are! >> >>Until next time... >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From LOddTR at aol.com Tue Apr 22 11:50:03 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:50:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 FATBASTARD Champion Announcement Message-ID: Yesterday, Henry Frye provided you with a thorough summary of our race weekend at VIR. Today, I am pleased to announce to the FOT community that we have a new Champion for 2008. In the spirit of the beloved Martha McDougal, we selected a Triumph pilot that exemplifies the comradery, perseverance, racecraft and positive attitude, for which Martha was so well known. After a painstaking, and time consuming review of our complex scoring system, we are pleased to tell you that Mark Wheatley was selected as our 2008 Champion. Mark was presented the trophy, including Martha's left shoe, by Dennis DeLap, our 2007 Champion. The award was in recognition of his years of contribution to the sport and on-track performance during the weekend's racing. Mark is well known as always having a smile, or wry grin, ready at a moments notice. He has willingly assisted in the repair of cars with which he competes, often loaning his own spares in the process. He has steadily progressed as a driver and shared his knowledge with those coming up through the ranks. It's a shame none of us can understand him when he speaks. Congratulations Mark! Dean Tetterton, Don Marshall, Leo Oddi (Rob Deanes, apprentice, chef and newbie) FOT Southeast **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 12:58:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:58:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 04/22/2008 12:50:29 PM Central Daylight Time, grandwazoo at earthlink.net writes: > No, not a guy involved with any actions up North. This guy is from the > South > and likely does not travel widely. He will be banned for life from VDCA and > placed on the VMC Suspension list for the ever popular 13 months. > > If it is not widely known by ya'll, the VMC list is advisory only for all > clubs. Each organization makes its own decision as to what to do with > drivers > listed by others. > > Good for the VDCA! Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Apr 22 21:05:14 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:05:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <480EA76A.1000604@bradakis.com> > Surely we've lowered our standards! > With a bit of spring work and some attention paid to the resulting steering geometry, it isn't that difficult to lower a Standard - oh, wait a minute... mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 22 21:54:47 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080423045422.8C939187645@autox.team.net> Both ARP bolts I mentioned have a shank that eliminates this problem. You still want to run one or two (I vote for two) dowel pins to help locate the flywheel. With the 3/8 ones (and probably the 7/16 ones for that matter), you can run 8 bolts instead of 4. That would eliminate the dowels. I run 2 dowel pins (3/8) and 4 7/16 bolts with the big heads on a steel flywheel. - Tony At 11:16 AM 4/22/2008, REK46 at aol.com wrote: Be sure the flywheel bolts have an un-threaded shank to get at least through most of the flywheel thickness(without bottoming on the shank or the crank depth when torqued...full threaded bolts will machine the crank holes. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. ( http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Apr 24 15:47:24 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA Message-ID: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> This car is 15 minutes from my home. I haven't been to look at it yet, but will be glad to if someone is interested. Jim Reply to: sale-633771534 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-07, 3:48PM 1963 TR4 SCCA E/Production Class Car complete with Log Book, etc.. Call 540-420-9212 for more info. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Christiansburg, VA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://roanoke.craigslist.org/car/633771534.html -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Apr 24 16:26:24 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:26:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA In-Reply-To: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D705261@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Jim, Hold your calls! I just negotiated a purchase of this car over the phone. I've been wanting an affordable car for my son and this looks to be it. Now I need to figure out how to get it to Texas. Anyone have taking something east? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA This car is 15 minutes from my home. I haven't been to look at it yet, but will be glad to if someone is interested. Jim Reply to: sale-633771534 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-07, 3:48PM 1963 TR4 SCCA E/Production Class Car complete with Log Book, etc.. Call 540-420-9212 for more info. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Christiansburg, VA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://roanoke.craigslist.org/car/633771534.html -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Apr 24 18:49:31 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 steel wheel rear axle hub needed Message-ID: <0JZU007KCVSMAI00@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Anyone have a spare rear axle hub for a TR4 with the steel wheel studs? haaaaaalp! jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Apr 24 22:34:35 2008 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:34:35 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion Message-ID: Dear Listers, Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower Trunnions (Takes bolt)? 1. Is that you need the a SET of TR4A/TR6 lower wishbones to replace the TR4 set? 2. Do you then need to have a modified INNER lower wishbone bush? Or will the TR4/6 STD bush fit on the TR4 wishbone, lower fulcrum pins (On Chassis) Any assistance greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Apr 25 06:39:10 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:39:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion Message-ID: <042520081239.27838.4811D0EE000E509F00006CBE2200751150970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Peter Vucinic" > Dear Listers, > > > > Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower > Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower > Trunnions (Takes bolt)? At the very least, you will need 4A-6 vertical links to go with those trunnions. The later trunnions and vertical links are sided. In other words, they do not use the same pieces on each side of the car. HTH, Irv Korey From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Apr 24 18:48:48 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:48:48 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion References: <042520081239.27838.4811D0EE000E509F00006CBE2200751150970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8a66e$1fe87300$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I thought the vertical links and spindles were unchanged from 3 ttrough 4A. I know the steering arms were changed when the rack and pinion was introduced. Also the caliper mounting brackets were changed when the 16P calipers came on. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Peter Vucinic" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > > > Dear Listers, > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower > > Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower > > Trunnions (Takes bolt)? > > At the very least, you will need 4A-6 vertical links to go with those trunnions. The later trunnions and vertical links are sided. In other words, they do not use the same pieces on each side of the car. > HTH, > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Apr 24 19:23:53 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:23:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion References: <042520081557.24379.4811FF6C00028E1D00005F3B2207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8a673$068f3ec0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I believe the first TR4s used the same trunnions and upper arm/ball joint assembly as the TR3A/B and that at some point early in the model run (CT63XX) the trunnions and upper a-arm/ball joint assembly were changed to provide the three degrees of positive castor. If you are using trunnions with pressed in pins, they are the late TR4 type (as opposed the TR4A-TR6 type which used a through bolt), and you would need the TR4 lower a-arms with these. ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: Steven Preiss Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steven Preiss" > I thought the vertical links and spindles were unchanged from 3 ttrough 4A. The 4A uses different vertical links and trunnions, as well as different a-arms compared to the TR4. Irv From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 11:29:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:29:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] FoT in Need of Liners Message-ID: FoT, I am helping a FoT get his engine together. Does anyone have a set of original 86mm liners on the shelf that are going no where? I have a set of AE Hepolite 87mm pistons for this FoT. Will ship to Allison, Iowa for boring/honing to 87mm to match the pistons. Thanks! Joe Alexander From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Apr 25 11:48:21 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:48:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: Dear FOT, Recently, we installed the TR-4 front suspension on the TR-3. The Roadster Factory seem to show only these fancy gold color grooved brake rotors for the TR-4 in their new catalogs. My thoughts were that these rotors would be an upgrade to the stock steel rotors. We started installing the grooved rotors wh en it was suddenly noticed in the manufacture's instructions: "Do not use these rotors for racing." My thoughts are how can these rotors be an upgrade if you can't race with them, and you can race with the steel rotors. The Roadster Factory representative recommended that I go ahead and use the grooved rotors, because they are much better than the steel rotors. My concern is that someone at Tech. Inspection might be familiar with the instructions for the grooved rotors and f ail the car. I ordered a new pair of the original steel brake rotors, and they are now on the car. Does anyone on the list have recommendations, thoughts, or opinions concerning these grooved rotors? ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Apr 25 12:00:16 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:00:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have considered this myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not using them for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. Comments???? Interested minds want to know. Cheers, Gary **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From Billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 25 12:26:56 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:26:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69DA2F8F-97AF-462E-94BD-FFB13AA45BC7@bnj.com> I assume they don't recommend them for racing because most sanctioning bodies will ding you for them. I have a set on Peyote and several times they were mentioned in tech though I was never excluded and no one put a "fix" mention in my log book. Of course I was traveling from track to track--if I was racing with just one group I suspect I would have had to change them. If there is an advantage to them I sure can't feel it. The only reason they are on Peyote is that they were available when my rotor broke up-- I think it was at VIR or perhaps Elkheart. I think the way to get good braking on a TR is to use good pads and break them in properly, then make sure they aren't getting tapered as you use them. I use Kas' method of grinding them flat in a drill press using a flat cup stone. Follow the manufacturers suggestions for break in, which usually is to brake progressively harder several times, allowing cool off time between applications of the bakes, then let everything cool off and offgas before racing on the things. I tend to break in pads, then pull them, look for even wear on the pads, then put them back in the box as ready spares. I have about ten sets of pads that I've done this to. A good exercise on track days. I spend all my time on track days playing with tires and brakes. rears too. On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM, GSFuqua1 at aol.com wrote: > No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have > considered this > myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not > using them > for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. > > Comments???? Interested minds want to know. > > Cheers, > > Gary > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 12:48:42 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: FoT, Ishihara-Johnson is making a name for themselves in the crank scraper business. They now have scrapers and windage trays for Spitfires/Six Cylinder/Tr3/4. Optional is teflon wipers for almost zero clearance in wiping oil. I am going to order scraper and windage tray from them and have discussed a larger purchase. Who would like to participate in this one time order? I'll have cost figures after I get the level of interest. GT6 TR6 Spitfire TR3/4 Knowing their methods of manufacturing, lead time is unknown with a large order, but I will get schedule following a proposal to them. Excel Spreadsheet Time. Look at their website and try to determine if it has a benefit to you. I suspect that it has a good return on the investment. I have never made one because it is so labor intensive. Uncle Jack is standing down on his, because of the development time for so many combinations, and Ishihara-Johnson's list price looks quite good for the development that they must have in them. Your interest would not be construed as a committment to purchase. Name Car Make/Model Scraper Only Scraper and Windage Tray Teflon Option Thanks! Joe From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 13:25:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:25:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: Addendum: Specials can be done with various crank and rod configurations. It should be noted, if needed. (Thanks Russ!) > FoT, > > Ishihara-Johnson is making a name for themselves in the crank scraper > business. They now have scrapers and windage trays for Spitfires/Six > Cylinder/Tr3/4. > > Optional is teflon wipers for almost zero clearance in wiping oil. > > I am going to order scraper and windage tray from them and have discussed a > larger purchase. > > Who would like to participate in this one time order? I'll have cost > figures > after I get the level of interest. > > GT6 > TR6 > Spitfire > TR3/4 > > Knowing their methods of manufacturing, lead time is unknown with a large > order, but I will get schedule following a proposal to them. > > Excel Spreadsheet Time. Look at their website and try to determine if it > has > a benefit to you. I suspect that it has a good return on the investment. I > have never made one because it is so labor intensive. Uncle Jack is standing > down on his, because of the development time for so many combinations, and > Ishihara-Johnson's list price looks quite good for the development that they > must > have in them. Your interest would not be construed as a committment to > purchase. > > Name > Car Make/Model > Scraper Only > Scraper and Windage Tray > Teflon Option > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > > > __________________________________________ From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 19:30:15 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:30:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: The Teflon Option is the leading choice so far. My first one will not have the Teflon, but that's because I have Chevy rods in one engine and I just want to evaluate it. Also, I'm getting strong positives on the use of them. I admire the devlopment effort they have put into these. They also have received support and encouragement from the FoT...no surprise there. Joe A > All, > > I just purchased a Teflon one for the spitfire. Great piece. I haven't > had a chance to fit it as it showed up after the massive engine explostion at > St. louis. http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher#100266&bgcolor=black&view=grid > > This will certainly be in the new lump. > > aaron > From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Apr 25 20:05:05 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:05:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors References: <69DA2F8F-97AF-462E-94BD-FFB13AA45BC7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8a741$f4e0dfb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I tend to agree with Bill; the drilled and slotted or grooved rotors don't seem to be that much better than regular rotors. I'm not as experienced as a lot of you guys though. The only reason that I put them on is that they were with a bunch of items that I got from a friend. And look cool. As for getting rid of taper on the pads, I use a surface grinder. Works great. Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 Vintage (And yes, I've already entered the Glen race). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors > I assume they don't recommend them for racing because most sanctioning > bodies will ding you for them. I have a set on Peyote and several > times they were mentioned in tech though I was never excluded and no > one put a "fix" mention in my log book. Of course I was traveling from > track to track--if I was racing with just one group I suspect I would > have had to change them. > > If there is an advantage to them I sure can't feel it. The only reason > they are on Peyote is that they were available when my rotor broke up-- > I think it was at VIR or perhaps Elkheart. I think the way to get good > braking on a TR is to use good pads and break them in properly, then > make sure they aren't getting tapered as you use them. I use Kas' > method of grinding them flat in a drill press using a flat cup stone. > > Follow the manufacturers suggestions for break in, which usually is to > brake progressively harder several times, allowing cool off time > between applications of the bakes, then let everything cool off and > offgas before racing on the things. I tend to break in pads, then pull > them, look for even wear on the pads, then put them back in the box as > ready spares. I have about ten sets of pads that I've done this to. A > good exercise on track days. > > I spend all my time on track days playing with tires and brakes. rears > too. > > On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM, GSFuqua1 at aol.com wrote: > > > No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have > > considered this > > myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not > > using them > > for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. > > > > Comments???? Interested minds want to know. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > > used car > > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From srcypher at mac.com Fri Apr 25 22:13:13 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01554A0B-8AB2-486A-9C65-B0FDAABD42B9@mac.com> I already have 2, both Teflon, one installed and in use; you could always get an additional Teflon strip if you change the rods or crank, and can re-profile.... I was the one who pushed him to get the spitfire scraper developed and also worked with him on a girdle for my spit....I even had ARP make special main studs so I clamp it all together... Pics of the setup are within my gallery link in my sig; same place as Aaron's lump; I'm hosting his pictures... Off to MARRS I regional race tomorrow at summit point; should be a good day; 6 other HP racers to play with... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher From haretoday at comcast.net Sat Apr 26 01:00:50 2008 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:00:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> I would like to nominate Bob Scollard for induction into our group. His email is bobsc at teleport.com. Bob just completed his first weekend race with SOVREN in his '63 Spitfire through sleet, snow and even hail. And with my '63 that gives us two in the Northwest--alright!!! Thanks for your consideration, Steve Hare From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:31:32 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:31:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Targa Tazmania Day 2 GT6 Diary Message-ID: Peter Hall's Day 2 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/14/mftarga114.xml Pete Hall's Day 3 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/15/mftarga115.xml Kev Lynch From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:37:23 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:37:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 @ Targa Day 4 Message-ID: Pete Hall's Day 4 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/16/mftarga116.xml Kev Lynch From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:44:42 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:44:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6's Targa Day 5 Message-ID: Pete's Day 5 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/17/mftarga117.xml Pete Hall's Day 6 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/18/mftarga118.xml Kevin From triosan at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 09:16:39 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:16:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> References: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804260816r53ea5030wf506a66bc866c161@mail.gmail.com> I second that nomination. Imagine, SOVREN moved the event later in the year to get better weather! Week before it was 80, today a week later, it is 65. And it really did snow and sleet. My car was/is not ready so I just watched. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:00 AM, wrote: > I would like to nominate Bob Scollard for induction into our group. His > email is > bobsc at teleport.com. Bob just completed his first weekend race with SOVREN > in his '63 Spitfire > through sleet, snow and even hail. And with my '63 that gives us two in > the Northwest--alright!!! > Thanks for your consideration, > Steve Hare > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 26 15:42:05 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:42:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: <20080426.174205.7776.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Bill, I know that you race with SCCA. Drilled and/or slotted rotors are not allowed in SCCA, unless the car was originally equipped with them. Joe(B) -- WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: Dear FOT, Recently, we installed the TR-4 front suspension on the TR-3. The Roadster Factory seem to show only these fancy gold color grooved brake rotors for the TR-4 in their new catalogs. My thoughts were that these rotors would be an upgrade to the stock steel rotors. We started installing the grooved rotors wh en it was suddenly noticed in the manufacture's instructions: "Do not use these rotors for racing." My thoughts are how can these rotors be an upgrade if you can't race with them, and you can race with the steel rotors. The Roadster Factory representative recommended that I go ahead and use the grooved rotors, because they are much better than the steel rotors. My concern is that someone at Tech. Inspection might be familiar with the instructions for the grooved rotors and f ail the car. I ordered a new pair of the original steel brake rotors, and they are now on the car. Does anyone on the list have recommendations, thoughts, or opinions concerning these grooved rotors? ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlZS6oghPEAvbYaAACc1tzYY EcyKkRD1X8BTlL1I9BXAfl9e/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 18:43:08 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:43:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Message-ID: FoT List: In less than a day I have an EXCEL Spreadsheet with (11) names. (5) Six Cylinder Engines and (6) Four Cylinder Engines. Half are the Fastest Triumph Drivers on the Planet, but the other half are reliability oriented folks who want to extract a little more HP that is available from their engines. Both Groups have intelligence. Mine is being fabricated now for shipment soon. I'll likely submit the FOT List, to Kevin Johnson at the end of next week. We will have to deal with some specials like Moldex Cranks and Chevy Rods, but we can take those one at a time. I also have a list of FIVE folks who already have purchased from I - J and have praise and pictures available. Not one complaint. Then there is one resounding endorsement from someone who would know best. Thanks! Joe A From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 19:06:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:06:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] 86mm LINERS Message-ID: FoT: It looks like we still need four good original 86mm liners for Tom Boggiano's Lo Performance-Hi Reliability TR4 Engine. Suitable for 87mm bore job. Can anyone help?...before I go to the big list. Thanks! Joe From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Apr 26 04:28:29 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:28:29 +1100 Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS References: Message-ID: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. The old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with copper kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! Manual says to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front seal housing be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is quite wavy when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to decide if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones are probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. Perhaps could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that looks like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had been tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck to the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized hunk of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had been soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with solder and it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? Crank end float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust washers? i am feeling overwhelmed! Many thanks in advance. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: spreiss at verizon.net Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Steve, List is $75 for scraper Add $100 for Teflon Zero Clearance Scraper Windage Tray is $150. Did I offer you a set of Pistons and then forget? I very possibly could do that. if I did, I apologize. I think they are sold. Regards, Joe Hi Joe What is the cost for TR4 with and witout teflon? Thanks Steve P. I take it you have sold the 87mm pistons? From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 19:50:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:50:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Message-ID: Steve, We are assuming that you are going to do a complete engine rebuild? To what level of performance, starting with cam? Joe > I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. > The old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with > copper kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! > Manual says to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front > seal housing be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is > quite wavy when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to > decide if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones > are probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. > Perhaps could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? > Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a > castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that looks > like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had been > tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck to > the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized hunk > of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had been > soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with solder and > it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? Crank end > float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust washers? i am > feeling overwhelmed! > Many thanks in advance. > Steve P.----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: N197TR4 at cs.com >> > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 26 21:18:59 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Was Scrapers, now gifts in the oil pan In-Reply-To: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <20080427031840.AB54C1878A6@autox.team.net> I'm ambivalent about the front block. If you think it's been installed for a long time and the cork is hardened it certainly doesn't hurt to replace the cork but I doubt that's the problem. It doesn't take as long as you think to beat the bolt holes back down. I do that probably every other rebuild. Timing cover is the same deal - just beat that back flat today. Actually, if you can dish them a little the other way, they'll pull up nicely when the pan is tightened. The pan gasket from Moss or British Parts Northwest is fine. Coat it thinly (I use my finger tip to apply) with high temp rtv silicone on both sides. I prefer the black version of that "form a gasket". One of the oil pan gasket sets (I probably bought it from Moss) includes the cork for the front block. The normal source of major leaks is the front seal or the rear main seal. The stuff in the pan is troubling and probably justifies a complete disassembly and cleaning. The oil pick up tube with attached screen is available from Moss, I think. Having crap circulate with the oil cause wear to the inside of the oil pump, to the main bearings, rod bearings and the crank. Even with great filters, there are bypass circuit(s) in the oil filter head that can allow the crap to bypass the oil filter, unfortunately. British Parts Northwest sells 0.005 oversize thrust washers - both sides are 0.005" oversize so it actually takes 0.010 out of the end float. You can use half a set of normal thrust washers and half a set of oversized. That's what I did. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/TR3-4A--Main%20Engine%20Components/7052/Thrust%20Washer%20Set%20TR3-4A Also, putting them in backwards is a great way to ruin a crank and block. Also, my hint for the day... When installing the cam and timing it to the crank, be sure you are using the INTAKE lobe instead of the exhaust lobe. It turns out that the valves interfere with popup pistons if you use the exhaust lobe by mistake. I'll be using another timing cover gasket and another head gasket tomorrow making that right. Luckily they interfered or I wouldn't have figured it out until after I put the engine in the car. Sheesh. And the cam timing went so quickly - I was feeling like superman. - Tony At 05:28 AM 4/26/2008, Steven Preiss wrote: >I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. The >old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with copper >kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! Manual says >to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front seal housing >be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is quite wavy >when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to decide >if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones are >probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. Perhaps >could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? >Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a >castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that >looks like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had >been tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck >to the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized >hunk of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had >been soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with >solder and it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? >Crank end float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust >washers? i am feeling overwhelmed! >Many thanks in advance. >Steve P. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 27 07:59:17 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner Message-ID: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was 'county' from one of the big three. So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, stainless steel, etc. Thanks Dennis DeLap From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Apr 27 08:28:42 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:28:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] The Red Rocket... Message-ID: Amici... The June 2008 issue of TRIUMPH WORLD arrive yesterday, and includes a great article by Andy Willsheer about our own Ken Gillanders (British Frame & Engine) and his 1955 Triumph TR2. Anyone familiar with this car knows its storied history which includes rallies and drag racing. That latter career was legendary. It was a Giant Killer. Now dressed out in street trim, it looks like a trailer queen, but be advised Red Rocket is a better moniker. There is also a short, but nice piece on Joe Alexander, Alexander Racing Enterprises and the 'AMBRO PROJECT.' I am only about a third into the issue. There's some other good stuff too, including an article by Paul Richardson about a couple of Peters (you should excuse the expression)...Clarke and Cox, and a near death experience racing Spitfires on twisty Italian roads. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 27 14:42:23 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:42:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8a8a7$336263b0$0701000a@Bud> Hi Dennis..I have 10 timing chain tensioners on Ebay...all 10 for 9.95, with a buy it now of 14.99..they didn't sell the 1st time.. I believe 2 or 3 are tr4 item listing 360047170108 my ebay user name is budscarco ...hope all is well with you Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner > AMICI > > I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. > In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower > than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed > that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure > enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse > curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. > > Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner > was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was > 'county' from one of the big three. > > So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, > stainless steel, etc. > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jibjib at att.net Sun Apr 27 14:51:52 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:51:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner In-Reply-To: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8a8a8$8681ba40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Dennis, Right after I rebuilt my street/AutoX TR3, a while back, I found out that Greg Solow was selling hardened (chrome plated?) tensioners. I'd also be a tad concerned that yours failed so fast. It may be indicative of more than just a bad tensioner. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner AMICI I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was 'county' from one of the big three. So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, stainless steel, etc. Thanks Dennis DeLap Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jibjib at att.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 27 16:55:02 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:55:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] NATC 2008 and Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: Amici, If you intend to attend NATC 2008 in Ypsilanti, Michigan, I have learned that there will be a vintage race at Waterford Hills the weekend prior. I am not sure who the sanctioning body is, but here is the information and entry link. http://www.waterfordhills.com/results/50thentry.pdf Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 28 07:29:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:29:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kas' Latest Book-Racing Winning & Other Myths Page 108 Message-ID: Good morning! Pull Kas' book out of the bookcase and go to page 108. Windage Trays and Crank Scrapers "Good Gains in Power and Reliability" Ishihara-Jackson crank-scrapers.com Or buy the book and read it. Kas still has some left.... I am putting together a Group Order for Trays and Scrapers. I have an Excel Spreadsheet for 17 Systems as of this morning. I'd like to wrap it up by Wednesday and submit it by Friday. Last Call Today. Discounting is under discussion. I am ordering one system with Scraper and Windage Tray....and a second one when I get a handle on what the AMBRO needs. Retail is about: $75 for close tolerance Scraper $100 add on for ZERO CLEARANCE TEFLON (OPTION) $150 for four cylinder Windage Tray $300 for six cylinder Windage Tray (complex assembly with doors and frame) Joe A From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 28 09:06:38 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner In-Reply-To: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, While we're on the topic of "kool projects", I'd LOVE to see anything related to putting a modern _teflon_ chanin tensioner in my timing cover. The spring steel thing seems to be a weak spot on our engines. I know other FOT's have done the teflon guide thing... details? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 28 17:52:59 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:52:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment Message-ID: <001001c8a98a$fda29210$8701a8c0@richardiipc> The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the winter. Too long on the lift I guess. Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 28 18:26:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Red Rocket... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080429002628.OZBP7113.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I was just going through our Club's video archive (VHS) this weekend and capturing the video to burn to DVD and on the last section of the last tape that I was capturing has Ken featured with his car pretty prominently while it was being judged at a small show. The judges were jokingly "ripping" on him for having the boot hinges painted red rather then being chrome. The end of the video segment has the "Red Rocket" driving next to the car with the camera down the freeway with Ken in the passengers seat. The video is from about 1984. At 07:28 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote: >Amici... > >The June 2008 issue of TRIUMPH WORLD arrive yesterday, and includes a great >article by Andy Willsheer about our own Ken Gillanders (British >Frame & Engine) >and his 1955 Triumph TR2. Anyone familiar with this car knows its storied >history which includes rallies and drag racing. That latter career was >legendary. It was a Giant Killer. Now dressed out in street trim, >it looks like a >trailer queen, but be advised Red Rocket is a better moniker. > >There is also a short, but nice piece on Joe Alexander, Alexander Racing >Enterprises and the 'AMBRO PROJECT.' > >I am only about a third into the issue. There's some other good stuff too, >including an article by Paul Richardson about a couple of Peters (you should >excuse the expression)...Clarke and Cox, and a near death experience racing >Spitfires on twisty Italian roads. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used >car listings at AOL Autos. > >(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Apr 28 04:55:52 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:55:52 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment References: <001001c8a98a$fda29210$8701a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <003a01c8a91e$6d9eb610$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Next winter, flip it over, tie some heavy rope to the frame at the lift points, get some friends together and and hoist it up from the garage joists. (You may want to sister them first.) This method has always proven effective for me. Good luck! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment > The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the winter. Too > long on the lift I guess. > > > > Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? > > > > Richard > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 28 20:41:03 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:41:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment In-Reply-To: <003a01c8a91e$6d9eb610$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <001901c8a9a2$782adc10$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> None of this may apply to the TR4, but when I first got the Spitfire I am currently racing, the door gaps were between 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 inches at the top. This was the result of a previous owner cutting the meager rear body supports over the rear axle to allow the roll cage to be welded directly to the frame, adding a fuel cell and big Diehard battery to the trunk floor and then driving over the curbs and off course a lot. During the ground up rebuild, I mounted the body on the frame, cut off the outer rocker panels, pulled the front and rear cowl's together with ratchet straps and 2x4's and then welded on the new rockers. I also added some small, adjustable body mounts between the rear trunk floor (what's left of it) and the new fuel cell/battery subframe that is bolted directly to the frame. This spring, I actually had to adjust the door pins closer together. I think the gap is actually shrinking a bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:56 AM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Body Adjustment Next winter, flip it over, tie some heavy rope to the frame at the lift points, get some friends together and and hoist it up from the garage joists. (You may want to sister them first.) This method has always proven effective for me. Good luck! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment > The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the > winter. Too > long on the lift I guess. > > > > Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? > > > > Richard > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 29 06:39:14 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: <955991.71514.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road America? Thanks Dennis DeLap From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 29 06:45:41 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:45:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2008 7:40:27 AM Central Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road > America? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > Make that two, if possible. Joe A From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Apr 29 06:50:19 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:50:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: <042920081250.2102.4817198B00089431000008362207021573970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > In a message dated 4/29/2008 7:40:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road > > America? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > > > Make that two, if possible. I guess I need to be added to that list as well. Irv Korey From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Apr 29 07:03:23 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:03:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: If you want to help monitor the pits during the enduros and perhaps help at tech, we will gladly give you credentials. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Apr 29 16:44:19 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:44:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FYI: TR4 Fiberglass Bonnet Message-ID: <3FAE64F5-B0D5-43A2-BF36-64A89B56F1F9@xsmail.com> For those whom might be looking for one, I came across this one on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR4-TR4A-FIBERGLASS-Bonnet- Hood_W0QQitemZ250103330582QQihZ015QQcategoryZ34204QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1 VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1963 Spit Mki Roller (For Sale Cheap) 1976 TR7 Street "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From jdment at suddenlink.net Wed Apr 30 20:02:17 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine Message-ID: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small prototype Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). I don't need a Bridgeport. I have 220v single phase in my garage. What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power feed? Thanks Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 30 20:48:58 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:48:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine In-Reply-To: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <438DC450-6FC8-4CC5-9FDC-E65620D97053@bnj.com> I like my shoptask machine--combination lathe/mill/drill press. Their new versions are called the Patriot--funny spin for a chinese machine-- painted red white and blue. That's about the only thing american about it, but that's the way the world spins. the new version is five grand and looks a lot nicer than mine. You can add CRC, DRO and ball screw options and increase the price substantially but not absurdly. the tooling is very reasonable, and they have about everything. Tapers are standard so most stuff from other manufacturers works just fine. It's not a lightweight mini kind of deal. The unit weighs about 1500 pounds, it you put it on a second floor you might want to rope off underneath it. On Apr 30, 2008, at 4:02 PM, James McAndrew wrote: > I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. > > > > I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small > prototype > Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). > > > > I don't need a Bridgeport. > > > > I have 220v single phase in my garage. > > > > What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power > feed? > > > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > > Tyler, Texas > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Apr 30 21:22:05 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, this is along the lines of discusion about automotive lifts of a few weeks ago. You need one. Go for the Bridgeport, with digital readout and power feed. Yeah, the Griz or Jet or Enco are ok, but you can get a used Bridgeport (or Clausing or other brands) for about the same money and it will outlast the lesser brands. Plus, was made in Conn.or somewhere domestically and parts or accessories are readily available. I have an Index brand milling machine, built in 1944; I have the original mfr. documents. War Dept OK'd! It's smooth as silk and much more accurate than I'll ever be. (Before I bought it, I'd never run one!) I also have a Rutland brand import; works ok but not a Bridgeport. Probably came from the same factory as the Enco, etc. I have a couple sources for used equipment; give me a shout and I'll give you details. And no I don't have a financial interest in them. Just trying to help. Hope this helps; my 2 francs worth. Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie Pa Vintage TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McAndrew" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine > I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. > > > > I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small prototype > Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). > > > > I don't need a Bridgeport. > > > > I have 220v single phase in my garage. > > > > What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power feed? > > > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > > Tyler, Texas > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 30 22:20:30 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:20:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine In-Reply-To: <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <82D103E7-4792-4343-AA96-89FDFE16F7DD@bnj.com> I agree that the american or german made machines are worth the bucks and better used than the chinese stuff is new, but I've found this shoptask machine to be pretty handy for my middling skills--the little I remember from machine shop class in High School reinforced with a bunch of skimmed books. I think it takes about three years of serious effort to be a machinist of any quality and ten years and some talent before you really know what you're doing. Used to be a lot of used good machinery around, and I had a friend that sold the stuff. When I finally had space to put together a machine shop he was out of biz--told me the sources of used equipment had pretty much dried up and the available stuff was junk. Kind of makes sense--when every little town had a machine shop the equipment moved around a lot. Most of those small shops are gone, and the gear serious people buy today is for lights out machining. When one of those operations goes BK there's nothing us regular folks can use. I spent a lot of time perusing eBay and other sources before I bought my shoptask. I gave up. On Apr 30, 2008, at 5:22 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi, this is along the lines of discusion about automotive lifts of a > few > weeks ago. You need one. > Go for the Bridgeport, with digital readout and power feed. Yeah, > the Griz > or Jet or Enco are ok, but you can get a used Bridgeport (or > Clausing or > other brands) for about the same money and it will outlast the lesser > brands. Plus, was made in Conn.or somewhere domestically and parts or > accessories are readily available. > I have an Index brand milling machine, built in 1944; I have the > original > mfr. documents. War Dept OK'd! It's smooth as silk and much more > accurate > than I'll ever be. (Before I bought it, I'd never run one!) > I also have a Rutland brand import; works ok but not a Bridgeport. > Probably > came from the same factory as the Enco, etc. > I have a couple sources for used equipment; give me a shout and I'll > give > you details. And no I don't have a financial interest in them. Just > trying > to help. > Hope this helps; my 2 francs worth. > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie Pa Vintage TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James McAndrew" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine > > >> I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. >> >> >> >> I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small >> prototype >> Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). >> >> >> >> I don't need a Bridgeport. >> >> >> >> I have 220v single phase in my garage. >> >> >> >> What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power >> feed? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim McAndrew >> >> Tyler, Texas >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Tue Apr 1 03:10:24 2008 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:10:24 +1000 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences with what can be made to fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a problem. I've tried a web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them being used. Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne From rhlamp at babcock.com Tue Apr 1 07:42:32 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:42:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little modification. I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. R. Lamp -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry and Cindy Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences with what can be made to fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a problem. I've tried a web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them being used. Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rhlamp at babcock.com ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. 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From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 1 07:58:12 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Steven Preiss wrote: > Geoff (et all) > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just > two jackings. How do you do this?! > Steve P. I do it using a floor jack and 4 _three tonne_ jackstands. The larger jackstands allow you to raise the car a lot higher. The normal two tonne jackstands only go up to 18 inches of so but the three tonne ones go quite a bit higher. I got the 3-tonners for the truck, but figured out that they help get the car higher for some of the suspension work. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cofrog at q.com Tue Apr 1 08:47:49 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:47:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stahl Headers Part 2 Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the helpful responses. Solution to make Stahl TR4 headers fit a TR4A in my case is to cut on the lower a arm mount and frame. I am unwilling to compromise the strength by doing this and am reluctantly putting the header up for sale. List in October 07 was $515.00. I got them for $490 and would like to get that out of them. I'll pay the shipping. Thanks, Dan Forgey From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 09:57:54 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little > modification. > I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. > > R. Lamp > -----Original Message----- > From: > fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Terry and > Cindy > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: > Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid > filled damper for the front > of > a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences > with what can be made to > fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a > problem. I've tried > a > web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them > being used. > > Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > rhlamp at babcock.com > > ----------------------------------------- > This message > is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed and > contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From rhlamp at babcock.com Tue Apr 1 11:02:11 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:02:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp Ps. Scott, I was surprised to open up the latest Spitfire and GT6 magazine and see your car. Looks great! Glad it found such a good home. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen [mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:58 AM To: Lamp, Randy H; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little > modification. > I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. > > R. Lamp > -----Original Message----- > From: > fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Terry and > Cindy > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: > Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid > filled damper for the front > of > a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences > with what can be made to > fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a > problem. I've tried > a > web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them > being used. > > Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > rhlamp at babcock.com > > ----------------------------------------- > This message > is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed and > contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Apr 1 12:23:44 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:23:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] jacking References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> I use 2 floor jacks, I set one under the rear before I jack the front. Jack the front, set the jackstands in front then jack the rear and set the rear jackstands on the rear bumper attachments. If I don't do it this way, I can't get the jack under the other end of the car once I start jacking. This is for the TR6 Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Steven Preiss" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] jacking > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Steven Preiss wrote: > > > Geoff (et all) > > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just > > two jackings. How do you do this?! > > Steve P. > > I do it using a floor jack and 4 _three tonne_ jackstands. The larger > jackstands allow you to raise the car a lot higher. The normal two tonne > jackstands only go up to 18 inches of so but the three tonne ones go quite > a bit higher. > > I got the 3-tonners for the truck, but figured out that they help get the > car higher for some of the suspension work. > > regards, > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 1 13:29:44 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:29:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg In-Reply-To: <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <4571A24920E64C63A8E4F12530B75AF1@Mobil> On my weekly ways to Hamburg, when skies are clear I went off the Autobahn and drive on a weird little road of 21,82km length...... Can you imagine, how much fun this is???? :-))))) http://www.racepicture.de/galerie/albums/Nuerburgring/2008/Touristenfahrten/20080330/Autos/49-Touris064120080330.JPG From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 16:12:18 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Baa Baa Waa Waa Alert - tonight at 10 Message-ID: <002501c89445$735d5590$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Here's a show right up our alley!!! Tune in tonight! Barbara Walters and Paul Newman (and others) 10PM on ABC "Live to be 150... Can you do it?" Some footage shot at Lime Rock last summer, you may even see me! Paul takes Barbara for a few laps at speed in a GT-1 Camaro Yee-Haa! Clark Clark W. Nicholls "Reality... It's not what you think." From srcypher at mac.com Tue Apr 1 16:21:39 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a 1500 4cyl? Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on the vendor you refer to below, so I can contact them.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:20:50 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl Message-ID: Terry O'Bierne asked: > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of > a TR6 crank. I believe Richard Good (Goodparts) sells modified ATI dampers for the TR6. Usual disclaimers apply. >From my V8 days, I can absolutely attest that good dampers are very expensive, but worth every penny. On our cooked-spaghetti TR6 cranks, a very-high quality dampener is a must. Having said that, my TR6 is running a stock dampener, but then again, I've not yet wrung its neck. That will not happen until I get a new dampener. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Apr 1 18:25:26 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:25:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> References: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <83CCF0509A8A41F1A78A91872761BC0A@SohlPC> Mark wrote: > And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical > and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be > more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. A reasonable approach to having electric outlets everywhere and air connections on the same basis is to use the self coiling overhead reels for electric and air. I have an electric and an air reel (each has about 30 feet of lead) mounted overhead almost in the center of my 30x30 garage (12 foot to bottom of rafter). This has worked very well for me. Cheers, Bill Sohl From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 18:50:45 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <83CCF0509A8A41F1A78A91872761BC0A@SohlPC> Message-ID: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Good point. I put in three 15 amp circuits for outlets with duplex plug spaced every 6 ft in my 26 x 36 shop. I've ended up with 4 LBC's in a shop that I planned for 3. As a result, the tools and workbenches are located a whole lot different than I originally planned. I've got unused outlets where the long term project cars are stored and not near enough around my tools. Whatever you're putting in, you'll need more. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sohl Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:25 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal Mark wrote: > And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both > electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never > want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. A reasonable approach to having electric outlets everywhere and air connections on the same basis is to use the self coiling overhead reels for electric and air. I have an electric and an air reel (each has about 30 feet of lead) mounted overhead almost in the center of my 30x30 garage (12 foot to bottom of rafter). This has worked very well for me. Cheers, Bill Sohl Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Apr 1 19:09:31 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:09:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> References: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> Message-ID: Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts used in tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. Probably just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a regular service lift. Fred Hodgson From niteseeker at aol.com Tue Apr 1 20:20:13 2008 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:20:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: References: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> Message-ID: <7AE2E465-9DC2-4A79-B838-A20A33606A71@aol.com> Check in the Car Shoppers found in restaurants. There are many of them. Some of them are even 120 volt powered. On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts > used in > tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. > Probably > just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a > regular > service lift. > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as niteseeker at aol.com From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 20:32:53 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:32:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Light weight pushrods? Message-ID: <008c01c89469$da969e00$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm looking for a recommendation for lightweight pushrods for a GT6. I need to get them made to length. Recommendations? From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 21:26:41 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:26:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature Message-ID: >From an old Ken Galanders article, I blocked this bypass feature completely by tapping 1/4" pipe threads into the hole, and installing a 1/4" pipe plug. My machinist did not think that it was a good idea to completely defeat the cold oil bypass. I then copied Greg Solow and shimmed the valve spring with some small washers. It will still open, but at a higher pressure. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0003 0000000001) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Apr 1 21:39:54 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:39:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> Another tip that may be useful. Go to your local hardware home improvement store. Head to the paint section, grab a can of spray paint, any color, any brand, whatever. Take this can to the roofing section with the shingles, tarpaper and gutters. Check out the various types of plastic gutters, see which ones fit the spray can. Buy a length of the gutter in the appropriate color with the proper hangers to go with it. Back in the garage hang the gutter in various spots to provide convenient storage trays for all the various types of spray cans one accumulates. I also have a small section over the sink to hold soap, sponges, etc. mjb. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 21:46:56 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <002101c89474$33b77f40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> How high do you rev. it ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Lamp, Randy H" ; "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lamp, Randy H" > To: "Terry and Cindy" ; > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > >>I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little >> modification. >> I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. >> >> R. Lamp >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> Terry and >> Cindy >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: >> Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >> >> I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid >> filled damper for the front >> of >> a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences >> with what can be made to >> fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a >> problem. I've tried >> a >> web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them >> being used. >> >> Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as >> rhlamp at babcock.com >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message >> is intended only for the individual or entity to which >> it is addressed and >> contains information that is proprietary to The >> Babcock & Wilcox Company >> and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise >> confidential. If the reader of >> this message is not the intended >> recipient, or the employee agent responsible >> for delivering the >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified >> that any >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >> error, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and >> delete this message from >> your computer. Thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 1 23:05:52 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:05:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> <4571A24920E64C63A8E4F12530B75AF1@Mobil> Message-ID: I bet you are. I met a guy at the parking who was from USA, is working at Munich and has rent a car to have a go on the track. He said it was his childhood dream to drive on the Ring. BTW.....at lap two I thought a kink at Kesselchen can be done at full throttle but I didn't had my winter tires on the bill....so I left the track with the right wheels, drifting on 4 wheels out of that kink at 130 mph. My first thought was: This ride will have a sudden end. But the 911, with a little aid of me, did manage to get back on the tarmack and ended up the lap as it should. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "MadMarx" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg > Hi, > > I'm jeolous. Or is it envious. > > The 'Ring. > > Someday. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 2 06:12:47 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:12:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Light weight pushrods? Message-ID: Smith Brothers, Bend Oregon. Pushrods.com. No point in looking elsewhere... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From srcypher at mac.com Wed Apr 2 07:17:58 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize & store all my chemicals and consumables.... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher From rhlamp at babcock.com Wed Apr 2 07:34:51 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:34:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3853E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Scott, The manufacturer was Fluidampr and I purchased it from Summit Racing in Akron Ohio. You might want to contact them, Fluidampr, direct to get the details worked out and then order from one of the big suppliers. With all the import stuff these days ,they might have something that would adapt to the Spitfire crank. I was surprised at how little had to be done to the small block Ford damper to make it fit the six cylinder Triumph crank shaft. You can e-mail them at support at fluidampr.com or call them at 716 592-100. Summit racings phone number is 800230-3030. Good luck, Randy ________________________________ From: Scott Cypher [mailto:srcypher at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:22 PM To: Lamp, Randy H Cc: Scott Janzen; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a 1500 4cyl? Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on the vendor you refer to below, so I can contact them.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 08:12:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net><001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3853E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <003201c894cb$8d94f2c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have the mfrs drawings for the damper which I could fax to whoever wants it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Scott Cypher" Cc: "Scott Janzen" ; ; "Terry and Cindy" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > Scott, > > > > The manufacturer was Fluidampr and I purchased it from Summit > Racing in > Akron Ohio. You might want to contact them, Fluidampr, direct to > get > the details worked out and then order from one of the big suppliers. > With all the import stuff these days ,they might have something that > would > adapt to the Spitfire crank. I was surprised at how little had to > be done to > the small block Ford damper to make it fit the six cylinder > Triumph crank > shaft. You can e-mail them at support at fluidampr.com or > call them at 716 > 592-100. Summit racings phone number is 800230-3030. > > > > Good luck, > Randy > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Scott Cypher > [mailto:srcypher at mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:22 PM > To: Lamp, > Randy H > Cc: Scott Janzen; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: > [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > > > Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a > 1500 4cyl? > > Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on > the vendor > you refer to below, so I can contact them.... > > > > Thanks > -Scott Cypher > > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > > > Shipwright's Disease. > Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a > british car. Then it can > never be cured. > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: > Scott, > > If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we > decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size > > and > the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper > mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current > GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. > R. Lamp > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This > message is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed > and contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. 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Go to your local hardware home improvement > store. Head to the paint section, grab a can of spray paint, any color, > any brand, > whatever. Take this can to the roofing section with the shingles, > tarpaper and > gutters. Check out the various types of plastic gutters, see which ones fit > the spray can. Buy a length of the gutter in the appropriate color with the > proper hangers to go with it. > Amici... I like that, and using one for above the sink, as well. Last night in the shop this thread was running through my mind, especially the eventual shortage of space (regardless), and how 'stuff multiplies' in direct proportion to the space available. One shelf particularly loaded was my 'racing trophy' shelf. NO...not the tin cup type. I don't have many of those. But rather, after thirty years of racing, the broken clutch plates, trashed gears, broken rotors, frozen throw out bearings, broken suspension parts, and on and on. Each one with a special memory. A couple of them ought to be wrapped in soiled nomex. They could have been. That shelf is nearly full. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Apr 2 14:43:36 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kelvin Doldt (?) Moss Motors Message-ID: <001101c89502$3969fe20$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Sorry to bomb the list. Kelvin from Moss Motors would you please contact me off list. Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09530 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Apr 2 14:54:10 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:54:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] jacking Message-ID: <20080402.165410.28814.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have a 110volt lift in my garage that I will need to sell in the next year or so, if any one is interested. It is in central Connecticut. The garage at the house that I plan to move to next year is not high enough for this lift. The lift needs about 12 feet overhead clearance to get a car up all the way. Joe(B) -- dick ross wrote: Check in the Car Shoppers found in restaurants. There are many of them. Some of them are even 120 volt powered. On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts > used in > tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. > Probably > just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a > regular > service lift. > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as niteseeker at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today! Go to Technical School. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqYKPwmbtI2bPjJpTWY3bz7Tc drEPuhgVwhM1QoliQpaGMuC2/ From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Apr 2 15:47:01 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:47:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35621CC204E14629A0296015D07B6DC6@SohlPC> Ken wrote: > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) Depending on the length of your heating season, the addition of heating costs can get expensive. I have a detached garage that I don't have any permanent heating system, but I can usually have several days in the months of Jan and Feb that are OK with a propane space heating unit. I'm located in northwestern part of New Jersey. > be tall enough for a lift, You'll be very happy with the height (mines 12 ft from floor to lower rafter) even if you never get a lift. Consider also a taller than usual garage door. Mine has a single door that is 16' wide and 10' high. Good hight also allows higher shelving units. The upper shelves may be a bit of a pain to use, but keep them for items only needed occasionally and it is fine. > be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance Check very carefully with the concstruction and zoning office in your town. In some places, historic distric properties have severe restrictions on what can be done. Try to cultivate a friendly relationship with the township officials. I had to apply for 3 variances when putting forth my plans. The variance application process usually takes several months. > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Cheers, Bill Sohl From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 13:43:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:43:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheel Manufacturing-Progress Report Message-ID: FoT, Being around manufacturing for over 40 years promotes a casual attitude when the parts are for tractors. Especially somebody else's tractors. The attitude changes when the chips are flying for a car, particularly when it's your car. Today, I caught the new TR3/TR4 steel flywheels Work In Process on the production floor. Even with the sophistication of CNC machining there are several operations that are required. The basic turning operations are done. A milling operation for removing material (out where it counts most) is in process today. By next week the drill and tap operations should be complete and ready for final inspection. Shipping should follow shortly. (BTW, With a little nudging from Dean Tetterton, we got the big chamfer in the center of the flywheel for ease of transmission assembly...this feature has been missing on some other steel flywheels and I had not noticed) Special thanks to our 'Engineering Department'....Sean Alexander. He saved us several hundred dollars in the avoidance of outsourced engineering costs. Now I can take that Lightened OEM flywheel out of the AMBRO project and give the AMBRO what it deserves. Debut this year? Joe A From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 15:33:26 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's the Tour de Marque Friday schedule extracted from the full festival schedule for Friday which can be found at www.grandprixfestival.com/schedule.html (the schedule would suggest the tour originates at Wings of Eagles) 9:00 am - Tour de Marque (TDM) arrives at the Wings of Eagles Museum 10:45 am - TDM leaves Wings of Eagles 11:15 am - TDM arrives at WGI racetrack for brunch 12:15 pm - TDM stages WGI racetrack laps 12:30 pm - TDM takes 2 laps of WGI racetrack 1:00 pm - TDM departs WGI for laps of original street course 1:10 pm - TDM makes 2 laps of original street course 2:00 pm - TDM cars parked for display at Lafayette Park (end of TDM specific activities) 3:00 pm - Legends Speak at Lafeyette Park (this includes FOT folks as I understand) Cheers, Bill & Linda Sohl - 1961 TR-3A Signal Red, original condition ----- Original Message ----- From: John Herrera To: Bill Sohl ; FOT Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. > I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3. > > Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take > all day by itself. I stand corrected. Wings of Eagles IS part of the Tour de Marque. But is it on the Friday? I don't see how there would be time for all the activities. Maybe not everyone goes through aviation museums as slowly as I do. John H. From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 3 15:35:23 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:35:23 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: <20080403.173523.22218.2@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 or TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor on Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy sale, if you are interested. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on business schools, $150K/ year potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV525FP63L78ncUE4Rag0xks Yo67V6WaSl3Ha0YUNXw9z514/ From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Apr 3 15:49:21 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:49:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2008 3:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: > Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 or > TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor on > Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy > sale, > if you are interested. Joe... I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Apr 3 15:50:01 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:50:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: While not the FOT focus race for 2007, the VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR, on April 18-20, is shaping up to be the event of the season for eastern TR pilots. We have confirmed that Mike Jackson and Jeff Snook will take their TR3s to the 3.3 mile raceway in a rematch of their 1-2 class finish at Sebring last month. Rumor has it that Randy Williams may also be there, creating what may well be the only time you will see those three able pilots, and crews, contest positions on the podium. Now's your chance to be a part of this fabulous event that boasts 4.5 hours of track time at one of the most challenging, and scenic, tracks in the country. As a bonus, TR-Pilots will vie for the coveted Martha McDougal Trophy and be forever known as a CHAMPION of the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Topping off the weekend's racing, and in addition to the Saturday banquet, will be the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "Chill and Grill" where those of a Triumph-persuasion will enjoy the finest fish-fry known to man, or woman, and the company of their fellow TR/Spifire racers. If you have not yet entered, do so now so that you don't miss this exciting weekend. The VDCA entry form is at _http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf) . The fee goes up on 4/8/08 so get crackin'! Dean Tetterton, Done Marshall, Leo Oddi and Rob Deanes - Your Hosts at the Triumph Ghetto **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 15:51:46 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <233F142B6ED348F3B42C012C19BDB35C@SohlPC> I thought it was SLOW and STOP As soon as I saw Joe's email I knew where this discussion was going... :-) Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > In a message dated 04/03/2008 3:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, > jaboruch at netzero.net writes: > > >> Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 >> or >> TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor >> on >> Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy >> sale, >> if you are interested. > > Joe... > > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 15:55:38 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:55:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Names have been submitted to the Village but not published yet. All are current or former FOT. Joe A Planning tends to be a moving target....and a bit stressful at times. > 3:00 pm - Legends Speak at Lafeyette Park (this includes FOT folks as I > understand) > > From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 16:07:01 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:07:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: Leo, For me, this year, no Easter Weekend to deal with and no weddings to go to, but now I have managed to over extend myself with various projects. Maybe next year. Between this event and Henry's event at BeaveRun, it is a great year for the Right Coast Triumphs. Joe A From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Apr 3 16:45:56 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. Sorry, I had to say it... Terry Stetler From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 3 18:57:01 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the windscreen gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty years ago, except it worked the other way around. On Apr 3, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two > position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > HEHE! > > In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. > > Sorry, I had to say it... > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 3 20:05:37 2008 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (U K MOTORSPORTS) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: <380-220084542537114@earthlink.net> Good evening Leo, I am still planning on joining you all in the ghetto, as you know the TR6 isn't ready yet and I have had a major setback and may not be fit to drive...I was down at VIR this past weekend picking up the 510 and assorted parts and ran into some bad luck or rather it ran into me. Early Friday morning I was running Rex down in the very bottom of Hog Pen and all 85lbs of him ran directly into my right knee. Thats right taken out by mans best friend! He was running full speed, probably at least 35 or more and obviously misjudged me as I was just standing still. So my right knee, the knee that I have had 11 surgeries on collapsed and buckled and left me down on the ground with no one in sight. When the pain subsided I was able to limp back to the trailer and drive the 3 hours or so back home and get some ice on it. As it turns out I saw my Orthopedist on Tuesday and I have torn (2) ligaments, the MCL and my ACL (which was reconstructed years ago). Looks as though surgery is imminent as soon as the swelling and trauma calms down. Still hoping that will happen before next weekend. I am keeping my fingers crossed. PS: Dean is working feverishly getting that last minute "KILLER MOTOR" together for the TR3...I think he might just make it! > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/3/2008 4:50:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? > > While not the FOT focus race for 2007, the VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR, on > April 18-20, is shaping up to be the event of the season for eastern TR pilots. > We have confirmed that Mike Jackson and Jeff Snook will take their TR3s to > the 3.3 mile raceway in a rematch of their 1-2 class finish at Sebring last > month. > > Rumor has it that Randy Williams may also be there, creating what may well > be the only time you will see those three able pilots, and crews, contest > positions on the podium. > > Now's your chance to be a part of this fabulous event that boasts 4.5 hours > of track time at one of the most challenging, and scenic, tracks in the > country. As a bonus, TR-Pilots will vie for the coveted Martha McDougal Trophy and > be forever known as a CHAMPION of the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Topping off the > weekend's racing, and in addition to the Saturday banquet, will be the > F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "Chill and Grill" where those of a Triumph-persuasion will > enjoy the finest fish-fry known to man, or woman, and the company of their fellow > TR/Spifire racers. > > If you have not yet entered, do so now so that you don't miss this exciting > weekend. The VDCA entry form is at > _http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf) . The fee goes up on > 4/8/08 so get crackin'! > > > Dean Tetterton, Done Marshall, Leo Oddi and Rob Deanes - Your Hosts at the > Triumph Ghetto > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr6racer21 at earthlink.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 4:14 PM From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 3 20:15:47 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:15:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: <20080403.221547.1668.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Well the wiper motor is NOS from 1959. It may very well be slow and stop for its 2 speeds. Time will tell. Joe(B) -- "Terry Stetler" wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. Sorry, I had to say it... Terry Stetler _____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV8qvwjDYXcwkCdqs5c35NZ2 la7HpptgmkxBmHGkRrd1vwOz/ From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Fri Apr 4 05:11:39 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: <20080403.221547.1668.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001401c89644$a85b5700$6601a8c0@LoriPC> On a serious note . . . I have heard of using the TR3 light switch with a TR4A wiper motor to get the "two speed" wipers on an earlier car. Never tried it myself though. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > Well the wiper motor is NOS from 1959. It may very well be slow and stop > for > its 2 speeds. Time will tell. Joe(B) > > -- "Terry Stetler" wrote: > /> ----- > Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. > Sorry, > I had to say it... Terry Stetler > _____________________________________________________________ > Fast Computer Training. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV8qvwjDYXcwkCdqs5c35NZ2 > la7HpptgmkxBmHGkRrd1vwOz/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 4 08:00:43 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:00:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2008 6:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain > detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the windscreen > gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty years > ago, except it worked the other way around. Amici... The current (May) issue of Triumph World has an interesting article by Paul Richardson telling about Jack Bough, who apparently was with Lucas in general, and their competition department in particular for many, many years. He often had occasion to work with Paul's dad Ken (with Triumph and the V16 BRM). The article suggests the title 'Prince of Darkness' was originally assigned to Bough and other Lucas reps the result of a clitch in the mid-1950s involving Triumph Speed Twin and Bonneville motorcycles. Paul says because a myriad of electrical add ons were coming into vogue at the time, Lucas designed a pancake alternator whereby the winding housing was bolted to the chaincase and the magnetic rotor was bolted to the end of the crankshaft (running at engine speed). It worked fine in England and Europe, where there were relatively few long straight roads, but not here in the USA on our long interstate highways. Over here headlight bulbs would consistently blow because of excessive voltage. There was no immediate cure, and bikers here were taping flashlights to the handlebars. Hence the 'Prince of Darkness' moniker for our friends at Lucas. Nobody enjoys a joke more than I do, and Prince of Darkness and other Lucas humor can be a lot of fun. But I can remember being at more than one Triumph event where a Lucas representative was a guest speaker, and the 'fun' got out of hand. We were not kind to our guests. Lucas has, in fact, been on the cutting edge with many new electrical ideas, particularly in aircraft and space efforts. It's been my experience that if you can just keep the smoke inside the wires, everything works fine. Bill Dentinger ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Apr 4 10:25:53 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:25:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> Message-ID: <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I put a lift in my shop when I built it 5 years ago. Also wouldn't be without it, nor would my son and partner who has a lot younger knees and back than I do! One thing I would do differently is to put in a lift with a wider spread between the posts. I can fit all cars and trucks that meet the weight limit of the lift (I think it's 6000 lbs.) but on some cars without frames (meaning anything other than the Triumphs) it is difficult sometimes to get the arms on the lift points of the vehicle because the arms are shorter with the posts together and therefore have less adjustment. On almost all cars except the Triumph I have to pretty well center the car, I mean within an inch or so, to get the arms and pads under the lift points. Can be done, but sort of a PITA. We have marked spots on the floor to align all of Ryan's and my cars to make it easier to "spot" them. I bought the lift based on weight and did not consider distance between the posts at the time. The ones with a wide spread like you see in a dealership or commercial shop will probably cost about 50% more unless you can find a good deal. The ones with the wider spread usually have a higher weight rating, hence the higher cost. Even my 1997 BMW 3 Series, not a big car, is a problem getting the lift pads to line up on the cars lift points, just because where they are located on that car. To me any lift is better than no lift!! My 2 cents worth. Tim Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, > depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon > cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize > & store all my chemicals and consumables.... > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > SCCA #562573 > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 4 11:34:34 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:34:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: <001401c89644$a85b5700$6601a8c0@LoriPC> Message-ID: <20080404163424.OQZI21903.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > I have heard of using the TR3 light switch with a TR4A wiper > motor to get the "two speed" wipers on an earlier car. Never > tried it myself though. I believe it depends on which motor you have. That would work with the later 3-wire motors (TR4A as you say), but not I think with the earlier ones (5 or 6 wires). My own 2-speed wiper project is derailed at the moment, but I'm hoping I can extract the relevant information from http://www.kda132.com/Technical/SectionM/wiperswitch/wiperswitch.html Written for more expensive cars, but the motors should be the same. Randall From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Apr 4 10:44:38 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: Message-ID: <009101c89673$2ccbac50$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Having worked with both hydraulic and electric servo motors on machine tools I can tell you that when the electrons and smoke leak out of the wires they make a hell of a lot less mess than when a 2000 PSI hydraulic line breaks (especially if it is a vertical line and the break is pointed up! Guess how I know that.). Although when the 440 Volt input power to the electrics short, it is impressive as hell. Tim Murph ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > In a message dated 04/03/2008 6:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com > writes: > > >> Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain >> detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the >> windscreen >> gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty >> years >> ago, except it worked the other way around. > > Amici... > > The current (May) issue of Triumph World has an interesting article by > Paul > Richardson telling about Jack Bough, who apparently was with Lucas in > general, > and their competition department in particular for many, many years. He > often > had occasion to work with Paul's dad Ken (with Triumph and the V16 BRM). > The > article suggests the title 'Prince of Darkness' was originally assigned to > Bough and other Lucas reps the result of a clitch in the mid-1950s > involving > Triumph Speed Twin and Bonneville motorcycles. Paul says because a myriad > of > electrical add ons were coming into vogue at the time, Lucas designed a > pancake > alternator whereby the winding housing was bolted to the chaincase and the > magnetic rotor was bolted to the end of the crankshaft (running at engine > speed). > It worked fine in England and Europe, where there were relatively few long > straight roads, but not here in the USA on our long interstate highways. > Over > here headlight bulbs would consistently blow because of excessive voltage. > There was no immediate cure, and bikers here were taping flashlights to > the > handlebars. Hence the 'Prince of Darkness' moniker for our friends at > Lucas. > > Nobody enjoys a joke more than I do, and Prince of Darkness and other > Lucas > humor can be a lot of fun. But I can remember being at more than one > Triumph > event where a Lucas representative was a guest speaker, and the 'fun' got > out > of hand. We were not kind to our guests. Lucas has, in fact, been on the > cutting edge with many new electrical ideas, particularly in aircraft and > space > efforts. > > It's been my experience that if you can just keep the smoke inside the > wires, > everything works fine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Apr 4 11:01:56 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Just a heads up... I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car dealers. Turns out they replace them every few years and the old ones are ... thrown out or sold for scrap. Mine was free, save for the $100 of anchors I needed to fasten it to the floor, the wire to power it, and a can of hydraulic fluid. It's not perfect (It had a "FORD SERVICE" decal stuck on it) but it is pretty darn close. Keep an eye out for the local guys who install 'em. Might be able to pick one up for a reasonable sum. But do have enough concrete in your floor to mount it! iii On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > I put a lift in my shop when I built it 5 years ago. Also wouldn't be > without it, nor would my son and partner who has a lot younger knees and > back than I do! One thing I would do differently is to put in a lift with > a > wider spread between the posts. I can fit all cars and trucks that meet > the > weight limit of the lift (I think it's 6000 lbs.) but on some cars without > frames (meaning anything other than the Triumphs) it is difficult > sometimes > to get the arms on the lift points of the vehicle because the arms are > shorter with the posts together and therefore have less adjustment. On > almost all cars except the Triumph I have to pretty well center the car, I > mean within an inch or so, to get the arms and pads under the lift points. > Can be done, but sort of a PITA. We have marked spots on the floor to > align > all of Ryan's and my cars to make it easier to "spot" them. I bought the > lift based on weight and did not consider distance between the posts at > the > time. The ones with a wide spread like you see in a dealership or > commercial shop will probably cost about 50% more unless you can find a > good > deal. The ones with the wider spread usually have a higher weight rating, > hence the higher cost. Even my 1997 BMW 3 Series, not a big car, is a > problem getting the lift pads to line up on the cars lift points, just > because where they are located on that car. To me any lift is better than > no lift!! > > My 2 cents worth. > > Tim Murphy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > > Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, > > depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon > > cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize > > & store all my chemicals and consumables.... > > > > Thanks > > -S > > > > Scott Cypher > > SCCA #562573 > > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > > Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Apr 4 11:52:04 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FEEB@server.Triumph.local> I got my two post lift in a similar fashion, but it cost me a couple hundred. A very busy repair shop replaces two lifts a year, and sells his old ones. Cheaper to replace before they give trouble than have them go down and lose productivity. Only problem with this approach is you will probably be looking at 3 phase lifts. I found a very affordable solid state inverter and all is good. If I had to do it again, I would probably get a 4 poster though. While the 2 post has it's merits, lots of times I just want to work on something quick and easy and picking the car up would be great. But lining a car up under my two poster and getting everything aligned just right is a pain. Just being able to drive up on the ramps of a 4 post lift and raise the car would be nice. I am sure those belly pans on new cars are important, but dealing with them for oil changes is a drag. Because the 2 post lift is a hassle, I never use it for oil changes on our daily drivers. It's quicker to get it done on my back under the car than messing with the lift. Yeah, I know, a four post lift takes up LOTS more floor space... > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > Just a heads up... > > I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses > > My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car > dealers. Turns out they replace them every few years and the > old ones are ... thrown out or sold for scrap. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 4 11:58:55 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:58:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 04/04/2008 11:02:45 AM Central Standard Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: > Just a heads up... > > I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses > > My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car dealers. Turns out > they replace them every few years and the old ones are ... thrown out or > sold for scrap. > Investigation might be a good word choice. My first question would be why are these lifts being replaced and discarded every few years. Is there a fatigue factor to be aware of? The lift we bought new quite a few years ago is an Autolifters 9000C. It's rated capacity is 9,000 pounds, and we are quite satisfied with it. While it's a post jack lift, we've not had the problem Tim Murphy describes...getting the pickup points to accommodate unit body vehicles. Our pickup arms extend pretty well (so far). We've had our Chevy One Ton van on the hoist several times, and that's one lotta van. We often use 'C Clamps' as a precautionary mechanical tie to help discourage any tipping. The only issue we've had is sometimes the pickup points are not low enough to get under some cars (the Thunder Bolt in particular). We have to lift one end a little when slipping the arms under. We designed some alternative pick up points, and tried to get Autolifters to make them for us, but they wanted no part of making ANY alterations to their hoist. I am sure what we had designed would have been just fine, and in fact we sure could have fabricated it ourselves, but to date we've not gotten around to it. Bill Dentinger ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 4 17:53:05 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:53:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? Message-ID: You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the crankshaft? On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the clutch? ~Steve From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Apr 4 18:22:05 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: Message-ID: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your other thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can see oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in this location! Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > crankshaft? > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > clutch? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 4 18:29:27 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:29:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002801c896b4$1b760c20$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > crankshaft? > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? Mine have all been that way too, AFAIK it's correct. > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > clutch? I doubt it's necessary with current supply, but I still soak mine in engine oil overnight. Back before Oilite was invented, I believe they used simply sintered bronze, which needed to be soaked. But I believe today it's supplied already oiled. Still, can't hurt to soak it some more IMO. Dry it with a paper towel or similar before installing, you don't want oil dripping off the outside. Randall From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 4 18:32:15 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:32:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? In-Reply-To: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <55BCFA5A-956B-47E9-AC31-B872BA22A8CD@earthlink.net> Sounds good. This is one of those interesting things that doesn't appear in the books, it's part of the brain-trust :) Thanks guys. ~Steve On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Greg Solow wrote: > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours > or putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills > covers the bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. > Then put your other thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs > together until you can see oil come out through the pores on the > outside of the bushing. This will ensure that the pores withing the > bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the bushing and the input > shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it into the > crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in > this location! > Greg > Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > >> You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the >> crankshaft? >> On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? >> >> Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the >> clutch? >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 5 10:52:31 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:52:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> why no grease? I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or > putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the > bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your other > thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can see > oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will > ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the > bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it > into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in > this location! > > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Belfer" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > > crankshaft? > > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > > clutch? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Apr 5 11:58:49 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> <00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <001b01c89746$b60c1850$0300000a@oemcomputer> Grease could have a tendency to come out and get on the clutch disc. It may also have a tendency to plug the pores of the oilite bushing. This is just a guess. I try to follow what the designing engineers appear to have done. If there is not an obvious fault in their design. For the most part, the TR engineers seem to have done a good job with what they did. By using an Oilite bush in the pilot bushing location, it is clear that they intended a very small amount of "oil" to be the lubricant used there. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Greg Solow" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? why no grease? I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or > putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the > bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your > other > thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can > see > oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will > ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep > the > bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide > it > into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used > in > this location! > > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Belfer" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > > crankshaft? > > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > > clutch? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 5 14:57:57 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap Message-ID: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> This is for a TR-4... I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a problem. Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) Thanks, Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 5 15:07:32 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:07:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> Be careful with that. Better more gap then less. I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. The larger the bore, the more gap you need. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > This is for a TR-4... > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a problem. > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > Thanks, > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 5 15:30:39 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:30:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap In-Reply-To: <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. - Tony At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >Be careful with that. >Better more gap then less. >I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >The larger the bore, the more gap you need. > >Cheers >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > > > > This is for a TR-4... > > > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to > be a problem. > > > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > > > Thanks, > > Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Apr 5 16:16:20 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:16:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap In-Reply-To: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> References: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CA6581CF1C78B4-E8C-1B85@Webmail-mg16.sim.aol.com> Tony .008 on the top ring isn't enough. You want around .014 to be safe. The second ring can be a bit tighter, .011 is good. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: MadMarx ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston ring end gap Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. - Tony At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >Be careful with that. >Better more gap then less. >I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >The larger the bore, the more gap you need. > >Cheers >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > > > > This is for a TR-4... > > > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to > be a problem. > > > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > > > Thanks, > > Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 5 21:59:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2><00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> <001b01c89746$b60c1850$0300000a@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002e01c8979a$95d9dd20$d214c548@RW> Always being out of time with too many cars to service (rebuild) I used to just put the torch to the bushing, warm it really good then drop it into a dish of oil. Never had a problem in this area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > Grease could have a tendency to come out and get on the clutch disc. It > may > also have a tendency to plug the pores of the oilite bushing. This is just > a > guess. I try to follow what the designing engineers appear to have done. > If > there is not an obvious fault in their design. For the most part, the TR > engineers seem to have done a good job with what they did. By using an > Oilite bush in the pilot bushing location, it is clear that they intended > a > very small amount of "oil" to be the lubricant used there. > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "Greg Solow" ; > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > why no grease? > I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? > > Cheers > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > >> The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be >> impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or >> putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the >> bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your >> other >> thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can >> see >> oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will >> ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep >> the >> bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide >> it >> into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used >> in >> this location! >> >> Greg Solow >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steven Belfer" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? >> >> >> > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the >> > crankshaft? >> > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? >> > >> > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the >> > clutch? >> > >> > ~Steve >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 5 21:59:04 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:59:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001101c8979a$8f2b8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Total Seal says (in inches of bore) top ring bore x .0045" second bore x .0035 oil ring min .015 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > This is for a TR-4... > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a > problem. > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > Thanks, > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 5 22:06:35 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:06:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net><003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <005901c8979b$9afc2500$d214c548@RW> I cannot remember NOT having to file the ring gap on an 87 MM engine. ) Nothing like a nice little 6" mill file for this job although they do make a little machine to make certain the ends are square. So they are not square??? Plenty of gap and make sure the gaps don't line up....and forget it. If not enough, they will sure as h--- break and it is good bye compression and hello blowby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. > > - Tony > > At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >>Be careful with that. >>Better more gap then less. >>I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >>The larger the bore, the more gap you need. >> >>Cheers >>Chris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tony Drews" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >>Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap >> >> >> > This is for a TR-4... >> > >> > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with >> > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE >> > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend >> > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it >> > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to >> be a problem. >> > >> > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? >> > >> > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Tony Drews >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 6 23:09:22 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:09:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <000801c8986d$8dc16c60$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello...I am testing my email..I have not received any messages today..Will appreciate a response Thanks Racer Bud spitfire #21 From REK46 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 03:57:26 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:57:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: must be working ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 08:10:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:10:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: FOT Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and his TR4 used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit more than that from time to time. He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it to it's former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it with..............he will be at The Glen, of course. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------- Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for celebration. Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the very least, I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR Hospitality Tent to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the New Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, complete with darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that will step up and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of Historic Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th Anniversary....the Brits are coming back for that one. Thanks, Joe Alexander From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 08:38:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:38:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen FOT Poster...The VTR Steps Up Message-ID: FOT, At Mid-Ohio, Kent Howard put together a very nice 11.5 X 17 Poster with a collage of Historic Triumphs. Somebody organized a DRIVER SIGNING, along with Kas' autograph. This is a nice size for framing...so I did, proudly. Watkins Glen begs for this feature. VTR has stepped up to the plate. The plan is to assemble another collage of Historic Triumphs. Hopefully featuring the actual cars in attendance at the Glen. Firefly Studios of Detroit Michigan, is organizing the design of the poster....Blake Discher may be asking for some picture submittals. The intention is to make these available to Vintage Triumph Members and Driver/Entrants. Some will be sold at a modest price to recover expenses of production. We will likely do what we did at Mid-Ohio....place the posters on a table set aside for the DRIVERS, so that everyone can stop by during the weekend and put your autograph on about 40 posters or more. Kas has volunteered to do so. We may have a few special guests do this, as well. Several names come to mind. (Write small!) It becomes a real keeper. I think one of the ISOA guys has volunteered to do the printing....on a very nice stock. (ISOA tends to be at the center of things...so does WPTA) I hope to meet with Firefly Studios in Detroit this week to discuss that project and perhaps another one we are working on. And so it goes..... Joe Alexander Oh ya: If you need some special photography done or your Corporate Annual Report, check out http://www.fireflystudios.com/ From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 09:26:44 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA66DAEBECE01F-CD4-1E7C@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for celebration. Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. ==AM== Of course, if we could find some willing benefactor to sponsor shipping TS2 over for the weekend, that would be WAY COOL! (Probably too much to ask of that benefactor to get the Le Mans and Macao Spitfires over here from Canley Classics as well....) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 09:49:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:49:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test References: <186320.23277.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c898c6$ff051990$0202a8c0@Bud> thanks Gang Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: RACER BUD Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test got your request ... hope you get this ... RACER BUD wrote: Hello...I am testing my email..I have not received any messages today..Will appreciate a response Thanks Racer Bud spitfire #21 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Apr 7 10:18:14 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: <529928.1773101207585094857.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> I've done some group photos before. Lots to consider. You need a good sized space, good light, background and a ladder or lift. Oh ya, and a bullhorn helps! And planning, planning, planning! It's a lot like herding cats. Here's links to a couple of examples. I didn't set these up myself but got to see how it was done. And when it's done right.. ohh baby! http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1769/porschefamilyed1bv8.jpg http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8392/917familyedks0.jpg I'm planning on going to the Glen, still some arrangements to make. Be happy to help. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Date: 2008/04/07 Mon AM 09:10:47 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs >FOT > >Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and his TR4 >used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit more than that >from time to time. > >He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it to it's >former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it with..............he >will be at The Glen, of course. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >----------------------------------- > >Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this >glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, >Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the >Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. > >Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, >there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for >celebration. > >Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the very least, >I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR Hospitality Tent >to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the New >Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, complete with >darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. > >I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that will step up >and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of Historic >Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th Anniversary....the >Brits are coming back for that one. > >Thanks, > >Joe Alexander >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 10:34:19 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:34:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: Kurt, we have done the Panoramic Camera thing a couple of times. With great results. I am not looking at anything that ambitious. All that planning extracts a toll. Even if someone else does the work..... But if we can invite some significant cars to group up and take some pictures, this would be cool. Give this some thought. Volunteers will achieve a higher status in the WPTA Hospitality Tent. Thanks! Regards, Joe Alexander > I've done some group photos before. Lots to consider. You need a good sized > space, good light, background and a ladder or lift. Oh ya, and a bullhorn > helps! And planning, planning, planning! It's a lot like herding cats. > > Here's links to a couple of examples. I didn't set these up myself but got > to see how it was done. And when it's done right.. ohh baby! > > http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1769/porschefamilyed1bv8.jpg > > http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8392/917familyedks0.jpg > > I'm planning on going to the Glen, still some arrangements to make. Be happy > to help. > > Cheers, > Kurt O. > From Billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 7 11:00:19 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Diane is a good shooter, I'm sure she'll be glad to do the clicking, not so sure about the organizing. On Apr 7, 2008, at 7:10 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and > his TR4 > used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit > more than that > from time to time. > > He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it > to it's > former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it > with..............he > will be at The Glen, of course. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------- > > Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be > seen this > glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo > opportunity.....TR250K, > Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, > TR8....the > Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring > cars. > > Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that > without TS1, > there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for > celebration. > > Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the > very least, > I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR > Hospitality Tent > to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the > New > Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, > complete with > darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. > > I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that > will step up > and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of > Historic > Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th > Anniversary....the > Brits are coming back for that one. > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 11:25:42 2008 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. TIA, Mark From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 12:08:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:08:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Steel Flywheels Message-ID: FoT, It's a little premature because I have not shipped the TR3/4 Flywheels yet. But I could compile a list. I have two folks on the list so far from FOT Inquiries. TR6 Steel Flywheels 4130 Steel Less than 10 lbs 8.5 Clutch Later crank configuration Engineering is done and being verified Cost depends on Volume. Have representive digitals of manufacturing operations. Thanks..send name (only) Name submitted represents an 'interest' not an order. Joe A From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Apr 7 13:32:20 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:32:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Preparing for the Targa Tazmania Message-ID: >From the Telegraph in the U.K. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/04/05/mftar ga105.xml Kev Lynch RMVR From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 13:40:28 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:40:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Leading Arm" Anti-Swaybar- Front Message-ID: I have seen two of these. One on a TR3A and one on a car in my garage. It's a TR-250. It is 1" or so. It is mounted on the frame behind the A-Arms and has some heim joints. One (possible) benefit is a longer moment arm than is usual, when mounted at the front. Another is that it sets some weight back behind the front wheels. Anybody else do this? Anybody else want to try it? I am not going to. This one is available. Joe Alexander From Billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 7 13:53:07 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:53:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sure, as long as the casters are good quality and the floor is smooth and clean. Even a small piece of junk is good-sized relative to a caster wheel diameter. The wheel has to go over anything it hits and that means lifting the weight on that wheel over the obstruction using the lever of the wheel. the bigger the wheel, the easier it is to go over obstructions. Or you can use soft wheels and deal with a lot of friction. I assume you're intending to use wheel dollies--most have small diameters so your floor needs to be smooth and spotless. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the > best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer > on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, > and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I > figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. > > > TIA, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 7 16:12:38 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale Message-ID: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> One of our Club Members is selling his TR6 From: "Norma Miller" To: Subject: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:02:53 -0700 Due to circumstances beyond my control, I must put my 1974 TR-6 up for sale. I've had the car about a year and have put many labor of love hours into bringing it up to its present condition. The car has no rust or rot in it. The sheet metal, etc. is in good condition. The following parts are new: Redline tires, trim rings, center wheel emblems, windshield wiper arms and blades, sun visors, trunk liner, engine air guide, two horns and relay. Tie rod ends (front end alignment done two weeks ago), sway bar bushings, rack and pinion bushings , master cylinder with vacuum assist, flexible brake lines, wheel cylinders, disc brake pads, steering column stiffener bracket, battery, light switch, top locking handle, radio speaker holders, seat belts, trunk light switch. All this and more. Floor pans are cleaned and repainted with rustoleum, then new sound and heat deadening material. I installed a new hood release cable and added the extra release cable. The engine compression test showed 155 to 160 PSI on all cylinders. I also just installed new plugs, points and condenser and set the timing. What the car needs is the hood adjusted for proper fit, carburettors adjusted, slight paint chips touched up and a new owner to finish up the job to have a very nice car. I'm ready to take the loss and sell the car for $4,950 for a quick sale. I'm a club member. My name is Tom Miller - phone 602-788-4453. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 16:30:56 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale References: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> where is the car? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale > One of our Club Members is selling his TR6 > > From: "Norma Miller" > To: > Subject: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:02:53 -0700 > Due to circumstances beyond my control, I must put my 1974 TR-6 up > for sale. I've had the car about a year and have put many labor of > love hours into bringing it up to its present condition. The car > has no rust or rot in it. The sheet metal, etc. is in good > condition. The following parts are new: Redline tires, trim > rings, center wheel emblems, windshield wiper arms and blades, sun > visors, trunk liner, engine air guide, two horns and relay. Tie > rod ends (front end alignment done two weeks ago), sway bar > bushings, rack and pinion bushings , master cylinder with vacuum > assist, flexible brake lines, wheel cylinders, disc brake pads, > steering column stiffener bracket, battery, light switch, top > locking handle, radio speaker holders, seat belts, trunk light > switch. All this and more. Floor pans are cleaned and repainted > with rustoleum, then new sound and heat deadening material. I > installed a new hood release cable and added the extra release > cable. The engine compression test showed 155 to 160 PSI on all > cylinders. I also just installed new plugs, points and condenser > and set the timing. What the car needs is the hood adjusted for > proper fit, carburettors adjusted, slight paint chips touched up > and a new owner to finish up the job to have a very nice car. I'm > ready to take the loss and sell the car for $4,950 for a quick > sale. I'm a club member. My name is Tom Miller - phone > 602-788-4453. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 7 17:07:07 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale In-Reply-To: <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20080407230746.QIEO9874.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Sorry, The car is in the Phoenix area At 03:30 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >where is the car? From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 20:47:30 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c89922$e405eaf0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Concur. Regarding the soft wheels, I put some large pneumatic tired casters on my chassis rotisserie. The good part is it doesn't move when your working on the car. The bad part is it doesn't move easily when you want to move it, even with lots of air pressure. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mark Vaden Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal Sure, as long as the casters are good quality and the floor is smooth and clean. Even a small piece of junk is good-sized relative to a caster wheel diameter. The wheel has to go over anything it hits and that means lifting the weight on that wheel over the obstruction using the lever of the wheel. the bigger the wheel, the easier it is to go over obstructions. Or you can use soft wheels and deal with a lot of friction. I assume you're intending to use wheel dollies--most have small diameters so your floor needs to be smooth and spotless. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the > best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer > on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, > and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I > figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. > > > TIA, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 8 12:15:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:15:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT Message-ID: FOT List: Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with family near Road America. Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on an existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's school in June, but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning him about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of this. Joe A. From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 8 12:18:38 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> A second for Phil! I've been in touch with him recently, he'll fit right in with FOT! Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Philhyer at gmail.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT FOT List: Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with family near Road America. Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on an existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's school in June, but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning him about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of this. Joe A. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From Billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 8 12:53:00 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:53:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> " he'll fit right in with FOT!" That's the worst recommendation I've ever heard On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > A second for Phil! > I've been in touch with him recently, he'll fit right in with FOT! > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Philhyer at gmail.com > Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:15 pm > Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT > > FOT List: > > Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with > family > near Road America. > > Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on > an > existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's > school > in June, > but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. > > Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com > > Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning > him > about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of > this. > > Joe A. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Apr 8 13:03:24 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:03:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> References: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47FBC17C.4020509@dfn.com> Bill Babcock wrote: > " he'll fit right in with FOT!" That's the worst recommendation I've > ever heard > On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > > Which is sort of a twist on Groucho Marx's comment: "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From mark at bradakis.com Wed Apr 9 00:43:55 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:43:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hardtop seal? Message-ID: <47FC65AB.30704@bradakis.com> A fellow here in Salt Lake is looking for the rubber seal for the rear glass in his TR6 factory hardtop, part number 815534. The usual suspects here in the states don't seem to have it, but Moss UK lists it on their web page. Does anyone have a lead on a stateside source for this item? Thanks, mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 08:51:04 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jimhearn1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:51:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hardtop seal? Message-ID: <040920081451.3924.47FCD7D800013EB200000F542200734840CE029D0E0A08030706@comcast.net> The Roadster Factory should have it; they did when I got it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mark J Bradakis > A fellow here in Salt Lake is looking for the rubber seal > for the rear glass in his TR6 factory hardtop, part number > 815534. The usual suspects here in the states don't seem > to have it, but Moss UK lists it on their web page. > > Does anyone have a lead on a stateside source for this > item? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 9 10:02:48 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:02:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [WtW] OT: Homemade Sports Car In-Reply-To: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> References: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> Message-ID: <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Like a cross between a Devlin and a Jag E-Type inspired body. The two missing pictures... http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945/picture030za8.jpg http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/picture020wg4.jpg At 08:37 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >SHO power plant. Fiberglass body. 2500 lbs with driver. 255 HP. Just >needs windshield to be done. > >http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3030/picture005vb7.jpg > >http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7840/picture034vz9.jpg > >http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945 ... 030za8.jpg > >http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/ ... 020wg4.jpg From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 9 10:55:44 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:55:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [WtW] OT: Homemade Sports Car In-Reply-To: <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: interesting car, looks like a lot of high-quality work. On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:02 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > Like a cross between a Devlin and a Jag E-Type inspired body. > > The two missing pictures... > > http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945/picture030za8.jpg > > http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/picture020wg4.jpg > > At 08:37 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >> SHO power plant. Fiberglass body. 2500 lbs with driver. 255 HP. Just >> needs windshield to be done. >> >> http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3030/picture005vb7.jpg >> >> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7840/picture034vz9.jpg >> >> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945 ... 030za8.jpg >> >> http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/ ... 020wg4.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 14:45:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake cable info needed Message-ID: <001c01c89a82$b6d9c450$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..can anyone help me with the application for Quinton Hazell cable #BC735?..probably an old part #. Thanks Racer Bud From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 9 15:25:08 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> Hello list. We will be attending Import Carlisle as a vendor. Spaces D80 & D81. Will be there Thursday afternoon, Friday and Saturday but not on Sunday. If you have any parts requests prior to the event, I can bring them out. Save money on shipping. If the items are extremely large, we need to know well in advance. I will have our usual stock of new goodies -- steel braid brake hoses, gear reduction starters, suspension components, Kevlar brakes; urethane bushings, etc. Will also have some used pieces. Please let me know what you need. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 10 08:34:05 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADEA2F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hi gang, I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is perfectly legal in the group I race with. The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot shaft and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is to cut the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area down. Are there other ways to go here? If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines back another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch cut off of them? Scott B. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 10 09:06:49 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADEA2F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000d01c89b1c$80ad74e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Scott, When I converted the GT6 gearox from the body I sold you, that is exactlywhat I did. Cutting the input shatf and machining the bit that goes into the pilot bushing was all that was necessary. You will have to find a clutch disk withthe proper splines but Ted Schumacher can help there. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions > Hi gang, > > I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to > put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is > perfectly legal in the group I race with. > > The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot shaft > and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is to cut > the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area down. Are > there other ways to go here? > > If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines back > another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch cut off > of them? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Apr 10 09:54:15 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions In-Reply-To: <000d01c89b1c$80ad74e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <000401c89b23$22f1ed20$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I did the same thing with a gearbox I got from Ted. The outer 0.050" or so of the shaft is case hardened and it took a long time with very small cuts to remove it. Once through however, the shaft is fairly soft, so it cuts easily. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:07 AM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions Scott, When I converted the GT6 gearox from the body I sold you, that is exactlywhat I did. Cutting the input shatf and machining the bit that goes into the pilot bushing was all that was necessary. You will have to find a clutch disk withthe proper splines but Ted Schumacher can help there. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions > Hi gang, > > I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to > put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is > perfectly legal in the group I race with. > > The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot > shaft and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is > to cut the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area > down. Are there other ways to go here? > > If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines > back another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch > cut off of them? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 11 13:44:04 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <47FFBF84.8040509@cfl.rr.com> test From rikrock at aol.com Fri Apr 11 13:52:53 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle In-Reply-To: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> References: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CA6A24C3E7373F-11F4-3132@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Other FOT will be there selling parts as well.? Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Matt Bakes and I will be in rows "I" and "J".? Stop by and say hello (and buy something) ;-) Rich Rock ----- From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 15:14:55 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle References: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> <8CA6A24C3E7373F-11F4-3132@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c89ce2$4210d340$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> WPTA will be at Carlisle in force as usual - spaces C66,C67 and C68. Stop by for a beer. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Other FOT will be there selling parts as well.? Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, > Matt Bakes and I will be in rows "I" and "J".? Stop by and say hello (and > buy something) ;-) > > Rich Rock > > > ----- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From igofaster at charter.net Sat Apr 12 15:20:34 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> Ya'll ..or 'yous guys' for those of you north of the Red River.. don't want to hear my Triumph GT6 transmission story. I'll share a clue though. 6 hours to Hallett OK for 1 1/2 laps to come back home... gearbox... #54 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Bobby Whitehead so... gearbox out tonight, back to square one... From britbits at netzero.com Sat Apr 12 19:34:19 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. In-Reply-To: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> References: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <002d01c89d06$807f4c50$33771342@jrg> Bobby, Bummer to hear that. I hauled an autocrosser 400 miles to New Orleans to have it start popping out of gear on my co-driver on the first run of a 2 day event. So I understand the feeling. Out of curiousity.. what was the failure mode? Spun bearing? Failed synchro? Layshaft out the side of the gearbox? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser and too many other toys to list ;) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. Ya'll ..or 'yous guys' for those of you north of the Red River.. don't want to hear my Triumph GT6 transmission story. I'll share a clue though. 6 hours to Hallett OK for 1 1/2 laps to come back home... gearbox... #54 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Bobby Whitehead so... gearbox out tonight, back to square one... Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Apr 13 19:03:57 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 Message-ID: <200804140104.m3E14iPH466667@ns3.geneseo.net> I need to replace the front diff seal and the front crank seal on my TR6. I replaced them both, along with Speedisleeves, not too long ago, but they are leaking too much to put up with. I'd like to be able to buy the seals prior to disassembling and measuring the iron pieces if someone has the specs. Thanks uncle jack From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 09:56:21 2008 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ Message-ID: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. Aaron From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Apr 14 06:42:46 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 References: <200804140104.m3E14iPH466667@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <002401c89e2d$0b4de3b0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Jack - On my TR3A, I had to change the front seal and couldn't get a speedi-sleeve that would do the job. So I spoke to a seal supplier and we found a new seal with a slightly smalled ID that was available and it was a very standard part. Then I turned down and polished the OD of the shaft where it was worn with a groove and polished it to the correct diameter for the new seal. It doesn't leak now and I didn't need to use a speedi-sleeve. Don Elliott, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 >I need to replace the front diff seal and the front crank seal on my > TR6. I replaced them both, along with Speedisleeves, not too long > ago, but they are leaking too much to put up with. > > > I'd like to be able to buy the seals prior to disassembling and > measuring the iron pieces if someone has the specs. > > Thanks > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 14 08:37:59 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ In-Reply-To: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D0 7009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> References: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080414144800.KDQQ12496.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> That would be us. Have your friend contact me. The DCTRA is more then willing to help a fellow TR owner. Dave Riddle dave at microworks.net 480-610-8234 Club website: http://www.dctra.org At 08:56 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly >blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. > >Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. > > >Aaron >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 14 08:48:23 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ Message-ID: <20080414144926.XTM9874.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> That would be us. Have your friend contact me. The DCTRA is more then willing to help a fellow TR owner. Dave Riddle dave at microworks.net 480-610-8234 Club website: http://www.dctra.org At 08:56 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly >blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. > >Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. > > >Aaron >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 14 12:06:16 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Spitfire Racer Message-ID: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> I have a friend who is looking to return to road racing and wants to buy a turn-key Spitfire racer. (He would also look at a TR6 or similar) Does anybody know of a good car for sale? Please contact ne at robert at mackenzie.aero Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Apr 14 12:31:46 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:31:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] flat towing Triumphs Message-ID: Ha any one had trouble or can give guidance to me re: flat towing my TR4A?? Thanks in advance! Kevin From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Apr 14 18:17:15 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:17:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wrist pins needed Message-ID: <20080415011503.204A5187653@autox.team.net> Does anyone have an extra set of serviceable wrist pins for sale ? Thanks, Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Apr 14 19:00:37 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:00:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Wrist pins needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080415015815.254F61878ED@autox.team.net> Oops, they're for an 86.5mm TR4 jg _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:50 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist pins needed In a message dated 4/14/2008 7:16:46 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Does anyone have an extra set of serviceable wrist pins for sale ? Thanks, Jim G. for what? From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 15 06:45:17 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:45:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor Message-ID: <8dae5aeaa809d540a479c2ed2be941a1@wi.rr.com> FoT, Does anyone have an early TR3 brake rotor laying around on a shelf that could help me with a few measurements? I need the exact diameter and the "hat" dimension (vertical height when the rotor is laying on a flat surface). Thanks for any help. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Apr 15 07:16:53 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor References: <8dae5aeaa809d540a479c2ed2be941a1@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <003101c89efa$fa4c82f0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Allan - I measured the rotor on my 1958 TR3A. It is a very early TR3A (TS 27489 LO). I am still using the original rotors with 178,000 miles from new. The OD measures 10.030" overall. The "hat" sidewalls are tapered. At the rotor (brim), the hat diameter measures 6" OD and where the outer hub is secured, the OD of the flat face measures 5.25". I turned the braking faces during my full body-off restoration from 1987 to 1990 and the thichness measures 0.470". The height of the hat is 1.030" from the rotor to the flat face. I assume that it's 1" nominal and with the turning, it accounts for the extra. Don Elliott, Original Owner, Montreal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor > FoT, > > Does anyone have an early TR3 brake rotor laying around on a shelf that > could help me with a few measurements? I need the exact diameter and > the "hat" dimension (vertical height when the rotor is laying on a flat > surface). > > Thanks for any help. > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 08:05:23 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:05:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Racer In-Reply-To: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> References: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> Message-ID: <5E86E7A9-B6EE-47D3-AA2F-565B5494A731@earthlink.net> I too have a friend looking for a racer. TR4 or 4A "drive to the track racer" Location is not important. Price vs. quality is. My friend Bill Swope started racing in '63 with a TR4. Since then he has run the gamut - Formula cars, Can-Am, sports racers and a gaggle of 911's. He is now going full circle back to his TR roots. If a viable car can be found, Bill would likely join us at Watkins Glen. Any leads? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Robert D. MacKenzie wrote: > I have a friend who is looking to return to road racing and wants > to buy a > turn-key Spitfire racer. (He would also look at a TR6 or similar) > > Does anybody know of a good car for sale? Please contact ne at > robert at mackenzie.aero > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Apr 15 08:34:20 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:34:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flat tow Message-ID: I appreciate all the comments offered on this subject. It appears the cons out weighed the pros 2-1. Guess I'll keep an eye open for a car dolly. Or any dollies for that matter... Kevin From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 15 09:38:27 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 AutoX In-Car Message-ID: Hi, I took some in-car at the first event of the year up here in NE. http://youtube.com/watch?v=S3w_ht7BAEk It was an interesting event, but I wound up third overall raw time which is "not bad" considering there were 5 MOD car drivers in my heat. But I was only about 1 second off FTD, and I think if I hand't bobbled a bit on one leg, I might have been another .5 sec. faster which would have put me in second overall. Enjoy! Oh - the sound sucks. Sorry about that. I'm going to play with the built in mic. to see if I can fix that. I really want to hear that sweet 6 when I watch the vid! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 12:15:40 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Valve Cover cap for Triumphtune valve cover Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804161115r1d02c1d5m6d294a30af5ee58d@mail.gmail.com> I have a nice old black Triumphtune valve cover with no cap. It seems to be a strange size -- bigger hole than standard cap, but same configuration with the lip on the outside. The diameter is about 2.4 inches with the maximum diameter of the inside is 2.25. Any help appreciated. -- Chuck Arnold From rikrock at aol.com Wed Apr 16 14:15:19 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Apr 16 14:22:33 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74B3AAE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rikrock at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From tdwark at mpinet.net Wed Apr 16 14:33:40 2008 From: tdwark at mpinet.net (Thomas D. Wark) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <480662A4.1030105@mpinet.net> Tom Wark seconds, Gary's nomination, Gary would be an asset to The FOT because of his vast Triumph Spots Car knowledge and his ability to get along with others. Tom Wark Tavares, FL rikrock at aol.com wrote: > I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. > ? > Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) > ? > This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? > > Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tdwark at mpinet.net From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 16 14:40:28 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA6E193DBE5353-B9C-EA7@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> Rick I'll third or fourth that nomination. Gary BELONGS in the FOT... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rikrock at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net; gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 4:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Apr 16 16:23:51 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I too welcome Gary. We certainly could use more TR6 representation!!! Allen On Apr 16, 2008, at 3:15 PM, rikrock at aol.com wrote: > I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. > ? > Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are > likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might > see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not > busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary > worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit > right in ;-) > ? > This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the > process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I > have a second, please? > > Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Apr 16 17:09:13 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:09:13 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <200804161709286.SM06140@[166.70.182.40]> Rich, I'll happy 2nd Gary's nomination!B Gary was a huge help to Susan and I at VIR in 2004.B Gary carted me all over town when I was trying to find carb socks for Susan's spitfire.B His help got her back on the track a lot sooner than I could haveB hoped for. Plus he was a recipient of the Sweat Equity award at the VTR convention in Philadelphia, what more can you say! Welcome Gary! Brad -----Original Message----- From: Sent 4/16/2008 2:15:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net, gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] NominationI would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as brad.kahler at 141.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 16 18:58:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:58:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: And Gary will be adding value to the WPTA Hospitality Tent at Watkins Glen with his famous English Pub with Bar & Darts. You never know where you are going to find Gary. I was driving down a 'farm to market' road in northern Iowa one Saturday and there was Gary driving an antique Farmall. He called me the following Monday from Florida, not knowing I had seen him. Small World. Joe A > I too welcome Gary. We certainly could use more TR6 representation!!! > > Allen > > From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Apr 17 08:06:20 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: Yea, Gary! He's helping me put my TR3 engine back in this afternoon! Got it done by Abacus and have 158.6 hp at the crank. Hope this is enough. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 17 08:20:07 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003401c8a096$23cc9dd0$7d01a8c0@richardiipc> That is 158.6 hp at what RPM? Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Yea, Gary! He's helping me put my TR3 engine back in this afternoon! Got it done by Abacus and have 158.6 hp at the crank. Hope this is enough. Tim Suddard From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Apr 17 08:36:16 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:36:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 for sale Message-ID: <20080417153542.F2BAC187673@autox.team.net> Hello follow FOT members. In Albuquerque, NM I have a 1974 Triumph TR6 for sale. It is a hot daily driver and a great autocross car. It is listed on ebaymotors item number 330227084897 in case anyone might know somebody that would like to buy a TR6 that is straight, fast and has nothing on the "fix it now" list. Just turn the key and drive. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM email: walt at hot-tr6.com ph 1 505 362-4350 From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Apr 17 08:42:16 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:42:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: Need to check my chart, but I think it was right around 6000-6200. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From kaskas at cox.net Thu Apr 17 09:49:35 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts References: <022701c8a04b$0d9c2f30$0201a8c0@Grendel> Message-ID: <000d01c8a0a2$a4ae4690$3a16c548@RW> I have just received this notice that the crank scraper is now available for the TR-3 and TR-4. Look like the real stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com To: Kas Kastner Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Triumph Parts Hi Kas, I finally got to the TR3/TR4 patterns: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380018615598 Kind regards, Kevin Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers http://www.crank-scrapers.com Land O' Lakes, Florida 727-808-8602 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The materials in this electronic mail transmission (including all attachments) are private and confidential and are the property of the sender. The information contained in the material may be legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, be advised that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or electronic message and thereafter, destroy it immediately. From John.Fridirici at grande.com Thu Apr 17 15:17:05 2008 From: John.Fridirici at grande.com (Fridirici, John) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> All, We break them. Does anyone know why this happens? Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now broken. John Wagner and John Fridirici From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Apr 17 16:03:04 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <041720082203.9057.4807C917000C5CB5000023612205886360970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 17 16:23:32 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> References: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Fridirici, John wrote: > All, > > We break them. Yep. > Does anyone know why this happens? I have theories. Bottom line: the top-hat has a sharp cut and it's very likely to crack / shear there. It happens faster if you bang / crunch gears, especially 1st to 2nd. Once that puppy shears, all bets are off because the end-float goes to crap and other stuff starts to break or go bad. If you're lucky, you catch it before the spacer explodes and you loose the synchro hub, second gear and the mainshaft. Not that _I've_ ever done that. But if you've pumped up your power, you're probably putting in something like 50% more input power (and torque) than the stock setup. It's probable that you're outside of the designed specs, hence the failures. > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. If you have brass on steel, you probably are seeing the brass wear causing excessive end-float and then "other collateral problems". You can get steel top-hats that fit in the old-style second gear mainshaft gear, they work pretty good. Just like the late-style TR6 setup (but with the older gears that you probably have). > John Wagner and John Fridirici Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 17 16:26:53 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: References: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Robert Lang wrote: > You can get steel top-hats that fit in the old-style second gear mainshaft > gear, they work pretty good. Just like the late-style TR6 setup (but with > the older gears that you probably have). OOps - forgot to say that I've purchased the steel that fits the old style 2nd gear from Quantum Mechanics. Moss used to list them, I haven't seen then for a while there, but then again, I haven't looked. >> John Wagner and John Fridirici regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From igofaster at charter.net Thu Apr 17 17:26:27 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080417192627.MNZU9.3679.root@fepweb07> probably dumb question... Am I OK to run the Redline 90w synthetic in my Triumph gearbox? busy sorting junk Triumph gearboxes for my GT6.... sans T50... Bobby Whitehead..... From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Apr 17 17:30:56 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:30:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil Message-ID: Absolutely run the Redline! I broke GT6 gearboxes repeatedly until I gave up and used a close ratio TR box. The tech guys accepted it because it was Triumph, used at LeMans and added 45 pounds to the car. If you have a racing clutch it will exacerbate the problem. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Apr 17 18:33:45 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil References: <20080417192627.MNZU9.3679.root@fepweb07> Message-ID: As long as you use the MT 90. It has the proper friction properties for a syncronized gearbox. Standard Red Line gear oil would be too "slippery" for proper syncro operation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: igofaster at charter.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil probably dumb question... Am I OK to run the Redline 90w synthetic in my Triumph gearbox? busy sorting junk Triumph gearboxes for my GT6.... sans T50... Bobby Whitehead..... _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 17 19:59:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:59:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. Message-ID: FoT List This is about FLYWHEELS.......interested? otherwise delete. TR3 TR4 Steel Flywheel - Best Design, I think. eBay Item number: 170211511476 Pictures of finished and work in process flywheels I pulled the first steel flywheel off of the production pallet today. I located a ring gear on it and fastened it. I located steel flywheel onto a crankshaft and fastened it. I located a diaphragm type pressure plate on it and fastened it. It all fits and this one goes on my Ambro. That leaves a few left out of a run of 25 Flywheels. This design has a large chamfer in small ID for ease of assembly of the transmission that other steel flywheels may not have. (Thanks, Dean Tetterton) Material is milled at the periphery, where it counts most. 4130 Steel....chromium, nickel, & molybdenum content...used in connecting rods and other critical components (Thanks, Chuck Gee). Tomorrow, I start packaging and shipping. Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Thu Apr 17 23:02:53 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? Message-ID: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator for his street car. What are some of the currently available recommended options? Thanks, mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 17 23:42:35 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:42:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469C35CE65B04FA3B8F4DDBF2AC6DFB6@Mobil> I use one of those design and can recommend them very much. They are very easy to the crank stress and protect the rear main journal from wear because of the small weight. Very good stuff! Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. > FoT List > > This is about FLYWHEELS.......interested? otherwise delete. > > TR3 TR4 Steel Flywheel - Best Design, I think. > eBay Item number: 170211511476 > Pictures of finished and work in process flywheels > > I pulled the first steel flywheel off of the production pallet today. > I located a ring gear on it and fastened it. > I located steel flywheel onto a crankshaft and fastened it. > I located a diaphragm type pressure plate on it and fastened it. > > It all fits and this one goes on my Ambro. > > That leaves a few left out of a run of 25 Flywheels. > > This design has a large chamfer in small ID for ease of assembly of the > transmission that other steel flywheels may not have. (Thanks, Dean > Tetterton) > > Material is milled at the periphery, where it counts most. > > 4130 Steel....chromium, nickel, & molybdenum content...used in connecting > rods and other critical components (Thanks, Chuck Gee). > > Tomorrow, I start packaging and shipping. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From mjb at autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 00:19:01 2008 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:19:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: GT6 gearbox, racer...] Message-ID: <48083D55.60509@autox.team.net> For some reason this was sent to me rather than fot at autox.team.net. mjb. From: igofaster at charter.net Subject: GT6 gearbox, racer Date: 04/17/08 22:29 OK... 'nother question with intent... My TRANSMISSION is an issue... What is the kick ass Triumph transmssion for my GT6? I've tried to stab a TR6 box in the space and I recall it is a major frame modificaion to allow the rear TR6 housing to squeeze in between the frame. CVAR only will allow Triumph tranny. The GT6 gearbox upgrade from Quantum is probably OK, but my ineptness may have come to light is I tried to remove my T50 Toyota 5 speed. Bob Davis had installed the hydraulic release bearing, and if I did anything wrong, it was not understanding the alignment of the release bearing on the clutch... I had metal shavings on my drain plug after less than 3 miles under driving conditions. I've stabbed an old early GT6 gearbox on to try to make Eagles Canyon next month... it was in the backyard in my parts bin..no top cover... and as I flushed it, there was some mice turds in it... I was wondering of the organic mice turd was preferred over the synthetic... If I can just exhibit at some speed around the course and give the Miss America wave in last place of my heat, I'll be,,, OK.... Peace guys! #54 Yellow CVAR EP GT6+ Bobby Whitehead From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 07:04:28 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:04:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> Neil sent this to me directly instead of the FOT List. Attention John F and John W -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Neil Revington" To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:46:49 +0000 Hi We do an all steel version of the early bush which doesn't break if that helps. cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: 17 April 2008 23:03 To: Fridirici, John; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Apr 18 07:13:40 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? In-Reply-To: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark, I bought mine last year from Ron Davis Racing Products, Glendale, AZ. (623) 877-5000. It was beautifully made and fit perfect. They seem to me to be a well run business - good customer service and their product is well supported. Allen On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Apr 18 07:58:02 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA6F7352EA9FC3-3AC-195@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> This is good news. These have been on the market in the past but I wasn't aware of a current supplier. It's a lot easier the convert the box without having to use late TR-6 stuff. FWIW I have always attributed the tophat breakage to excessive end-float & a marginal design. The tophat is supported (axially) only by the end of the 3rd gear bush. When the 2nd gear gets to chucking back & forth there's enough load to crack the tophat at the inside corner... Glen -----Original Message----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:04 am Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings Neil sent this to me directly instead of the FOT List. Attention John F and John W -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Neil Revington" To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:46:49 +0000 Hi We do an all steel version of the early bush which doesn't break if that helps. cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: 17 April 2008 23:03 To: Fridirici, John; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Apr 18 08:06:04 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:06:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <03e801c8a15d$57c26fd0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> I agree with Ron Davis Racing products. A very well made item. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? > A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From igofaster at charter.net Fri Apr 18 14:12:27 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 kick ass transmission In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080418161227.W8955.147467.root@fepweb15> I thought I posted this to the group but I type about as good as I mechanic.. From: igofaster at charter.net Subject: GT6 gearbox, racer Date: 04/17/08 22:29 OK... 'nother question with intent... My TRANSMISSION is an issue... What is the kick ass Triumph transmssion for my GT6? I've tried to stab a TR6 box in the space and I recall it is a major frame modificaion to allow the rear TR6 housing to squeeze in between the frame. CVAR only will allow Triumph tranny. The GT6 gearbox upgrade from Quantum is probably OK, but my ineptness may have come to light is I tried to remove my T50 Toyota 5 speed. Bob Davis had installed the hydraulic release bearing, and if I did anything wrong, it was not understanding the alignment of the release bearing on the clutch... I had metal shavings on my drain plug after less than 3 miles under driving conditions. I've stabbed an old early GT6 gearbox on to try to make Eagles Canyon next month... it was in the backyard in my parts bin..no top cover... and as I flushed it, there was some mice turds in it... I was wondering of the organic mice turd was preferred over the synthetic... If I can just exhibit at some speed around the course and give the Miss America wave in last place of my heat, I'll be,,, OK.... Peace guys! #54 Yellow CVAR EP GT6+ Bobby Whitehead From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 20:01:36 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8a1c1$4e41bbf0$6800a8c0@D9DGQM31> I got my TR4 aluminum rad. from TRF. It is very well made and it works well. I'm sure their TR6 rads are just as good. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? >A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Apr 18 22:13:58 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:13:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram Message-ID: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop wiper motor 2-speed one. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMUtI6orer9bU4diZbHeO v9Dv6CofnLU5SS8Bh7K2Znh4/ From dave at microworks.net Sat Apr 19 00:13:19 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:13:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram In-Reply-To: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20080419061414.RCNE9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Try this... http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the >previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed >motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop >wiper motor 2-speed one. Joe(B) >_____________________________________________________________ >Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMUtI6orer9bU4diZbHeO >v9Dv6CofnLU5SS8Bh7K2Znh4/ >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Apr 19 09:37:54 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil FWIW Message-ID: <001001c8a233$55b4c040$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I just bought a case of 12 of the Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil 20W-50 at my local "Fleet Farm" store for about $45. The case is marked "API SJ/SH/CD which is the old formulas with the 1200 ppm of ZDDP. The plastic bottles are still marked "API SM" which is the new formula. Someone had posted a response from Valvoline, if I remember correctly, that said the VR-1 still had the ZDDP and that Valvoline was in the process of relabeling the oil to reflect that. This seems to be the case. Also, the pdf on the Valvoline web site shows the VR-1 with 0.12% ZDDP or the 1200 ppm. Thought some might be interested. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 19 11:13:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? Message-ID: <000801c8a240$c0acb5d0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank pulley that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the TDC mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary that much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in the correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the damper has slipped From mini at wi.rr.com Sat Apr 19 18:37:19 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:37:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? In-Reply-To: <000801c8a240$c0acb5d0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <000201c8a27e$b44503e0$6400a8c0@home> Scott, Sometimes the vulcanizing bonding the rubber to the inner and outer metal parts of the vibration damper lets loose. The two parts can then move in relation to each other. I was timing an old British car once and I could actually use the timing gun to watch the timing marks rotate around the crank as the engine ran. Needless to say it was not possible to time that car as it was, had to replace the vibration damper. Richard Gehweiler mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank pulley that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the TDC mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary that much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in the correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the damper has slipped Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as mini at wi.rr.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 19 21:24:29 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:24:29 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram Message-ID: <20080419.232429.13448.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Thanks, but the diagrams do not show the optional wiring for the 2-speed wiper motor, as refered to. This motor has 7 wires going to it, including the ground. -- "David W. Riddle" wrote: Try this... http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the >previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed >motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop >wiper motor 2-speed one. 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Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngzRBUnTtu6qXcAagdgA1iO YvUuX9tjkAmMT3SvlA56GYJO/ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 19 22:53:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:53:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won Message-ID: <000801c8a2a2$7a559590$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let me be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. Congrats to her. It's a pity that the event was postponed yesterday and the coverage was changed to An ESPN channel that I don't get and I could not see it. :-( Oh well, a milestone, nonetheless. Cheers, Joe C. From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Apr 20 04:29:26 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram References: <20080419.232429.13448.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8a2d1$6884d720$6601a8c0@LoriPC> I checked a TR6 wiper motor on my shelf and it only has 5 wires (plug), as the wiring diagrams indicate. The motor you have probably isn't a TR6 wiper motor. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram > Thanks, but the diagrams do not show the optional wiring for the 2-speed > wiper > motor, as refered to. This motor has 7 wires going to it, including the > ground. > > -- "David W. Riddle" wrote: > Try this... > > http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 > > Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional > from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B > > > > At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >>Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >>wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >>diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following > the >>previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 > speed >>motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and > stop >>wiper motor 2-speed one. 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Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngzRBUnTtu6qXcAagdgA1iO > YvUuX9tjkAmMT3SvlA56GYJO/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 20 08:41:19 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? References: <000201c8a27e$b44503e0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <001c01c8a2f4$98b7ee50$3a16c548@RW> Because of this breakage of the bond problem, in the past I have always drilled an 1/8" hole right through both parts in the "V" of the pulley. Then each time I checked the engine I would fit a 1/8" length of welding rod into the hole to make certain the outer part had not moved in relation to the inner part. Many times caught the movement. Sometimes a little other times a lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gehweiler" To: ; "'Scott Janzen'" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? > Scott, > Sometimes the vulcanizing bonding the rubber to the inner and outer metal > parts of the vibration damper lets loose. The two parts can then move in > relation to each other. I was timing an old British car once and I could > actually use the timing gun to watch the timing marks rotate around the > crank as the engine ran. Needless to say it was not possible to time that > car as it was, had to replace the vibration damper. > > Richard Gehweiler > mini at wi.rr.com > 1.262.894.5460 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott > Janzen > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark > 12-15 degress off - why? > > I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank > pulley > that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple > checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the > TDC > mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary > that > much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in > the > correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the > damper > has slipped > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as mini at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Apr 20 08:50:17 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: <000801c8a2a2$7a559590$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: I heard about it this morning on NPR's newscast. It was only a matter of time. Good for her I say. Terry Stetler From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Apr 21 08:04:17 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:04:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won Message-ID: In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let > me > be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the > first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. > > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles from Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. I crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years ago. Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would concentrate more on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our paddock at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in all probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 09:15:32 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: Message-ID: <00c101c8a3c2$8b5add70$0200a8c0@Desktop> More important an American Win ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Danica Finally won > In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > spitlist at cox.net writes: > > >> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let >> me >> be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the >> first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. >> >> > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles > from > Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. > I > crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early > Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years > ago. > Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would > concentrate more > on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet > Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our > paddock > at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in > all > probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top > shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 13:11:21 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:11:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request Message-ID: <000a01c8a3e3$7ea1dd60$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> After too many DNF's, the Norlin Engineering Spitfire finally had a sucessful event. My wife, Patty drove the car in the Oregon Region SCCA's Vintage Production 1 class (under 1900 cc's) and finished 4th out of 8 cars in class. As usual, we were the only Triumph at the event, although all the Spridgets seem to be running an upgraded front disc brake setup that uses Spitfire rotors. In the last two weekends, they have cracked 4 of these rotors. I'm going to start carrying a bunch of spares to see if I can help offset the cost of race fuel. The Portland track was repaved last fall with some subtle changes to many of the corners and a significant change to turn 7. The straight leading to 7 has been lengthened and the turn has been tightened significantly and banked slightly. It's now a second gear corner for the Spit, which makes the track a bit more fun. Now the request for help. Patty is the Oregon Region Historian. Over the weekend, one of the workers gave her several thousand photographs, mostly black and white from the late '80s from Seattle and Portland. There are a number of really good shots of a very fast white TR3, including several victory lap photos from various corner workers stations (Hardy, if you want her to scan some of these, get hold of me off list). Anyway, as we were sitting in the motorhome at the track Saturday night sorting through all these photos, she asked me if I would send out a request to the FOT for archive type materials of Pacific Northwest racing, particularly SCCA racing. She's specifically interested in old Loud Pedal's (the region publication), race results, programs and photos. Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 14:00:08 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request References: <000a01c8a3e3$7ea1dd60$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <010801c8a3ea$4d445de0$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi jim...I'll forward your request to my newsletter group Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: Cc: "Patty Norlin" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request > After too many DNF's, the Norlin Engineering Spitfire finally had a > sucessful event. My wife, Patty drove the car in the Oregon Region SCCA's > Vintage Production 1 class (under 1900 cc's) and finished 4th out of 8 > cars > in class. As usual, we were the only Triumph at the event, although all > the > Spridgets seem to be running an upgraded front disc brake setup that uses > Spitfire rotors. In the last two weekends, they have cracked 4 of these > rotors. I'm going to start carrying a bunch of spares to see if I can > help > offset the cost of race fuel. > > The Portland track was repaved last fall with some subtle changes to many > of > the corners and a significant change to turn 7. The straight leading to 7 > has been lengthened and the turn has been tightened significantly and > banked > slightly. It's now a second gear corner for the Spit, which makes the > track > a bit more fun. > > Now the request for help. Patty is the Oregon Region Historian. Over the > weekend, one of the workers gave her several thousand photographs, mostly > black and white from the late '80s from Seattle and Portland. There are a > number of really good shots of a very fast white TR3, including several > victory lap photos from various corner workers stations (Hardy, if you > want > her to scan some of these, get hold of me off list). > > Anyway, as we were sitting in the motorhome at the track Saturday night > sorting through all these photos, she asked me if I would send out a > request > to the FOT for archive type materials of Pacific Northwest racing, > particularly SCCA racing. She's specifically interested in old Loud > Pedal's > (the region publication), race results, programs and photos. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Apr 21 14:10:39 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:10:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: Message-ID: <001a01c8a3eb$c5f0bdf0$6601a8c0@S1099895562> Didja hear Guthrie on Wind Tunnel last night? She told DeSpain that long ago she predicted it would be, counting from her Indy debut, another two generations before a capable gal could get a ride in top-shelf equipment and win -- then noted Danica did it in a generation and a half so a little ahead of Guthrie's timetable. And DeSpain also noted those who scoffed that she only won because it was a fuel mileage race (Hey, Helio was on a fuel mileage strategy too but Danica did it better). I can't help but think that in NASCAR the big question was what's happened to Hendrick this year, then Jimmie Johnson won last weekend at Phoenix on a fuel mileage strategy and everyone crows "Hendrick's back!" Either way, It's racing. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Danica Finally won > In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > spitlist at cox.net writes: > > >> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let >> me >> be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the >> first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. >> >> > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles > from > Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. > I > crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early > Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years > ago. > Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would > concentrate more > on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet > Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our > paddock > at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in > all > probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top > shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 21 14:22:56 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] : Seeking Spitfire Race Wheels Message-ID: <013701c8a3ed$7cb39660$761ac320$@net> I am looking for a set (or two) of Spitfire wheels. Specifically, I want a set of 14 X 6 for Autocross but also want another set of 13 X 6 or 13 x 5.5 Anybody have any extras they want to part with? Please call (210) 415-5107 or email to robert at mackenzie.aero Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX NASS # 511 From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Apr 21 17:29:38 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Apr 21 18:07:35 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:07:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Good Heavens Don, you mean you would want Mike to know all the insider secrets?! Ha ha I would be VERY pleased to 2nd that nomination. Mike is a good person and VERY Triumph loyal. Kind regards, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars, Branson, MO **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Apr 21 10:04:33 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cam followers (lifters) Message-ID: <200804220009.m3M09UCV305943@ns3.geneseo.net> I just thought I'd pass on a little info on lifters that might be of use to somebody. To the best of my knowledge, lifters for the TR3-4 are sold by British Frame and Engine, Moss, TRF, and British Parts Northwest. I tested 30 or 40 lifters from various sources. Of the lifters I've tested, I find that BPNW lifters do have a hardness between 54 and 60 Rockwell C. In addition, if you have the lifters refaced by Riddle Machine in Santa Ana CA, the hardness after refacing averages 57 Rockwell C. uncle jack From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 21 18:36:06 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Electronic "Flags" Message-ID: <20080422003724.BUHE9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> A post I found on the use of the new "Electronic" flags that F1 will use for the night race this year. http://www.f1-togo.com/2008-singapore-grand-prix/digiflags-at-singapore/ He has a link to a video of the system being tested. http://www.straitstimes.com/Video%2BNews/Singapore/STIVodcast_3919.html?playid=3919&type=Singapore',%20'multimedia',%20'width=850,%20height=625');%20void(''); From jdment at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 21 20:31:16 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <000b01c8a420$f0fa3fa0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Don I'll second the second! I won my first rally navigating with Mike's daughter in his TR4! Mike's an outstanding Triumph builder, mechanic, driver, and TR advocate. Jim McAndrew -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jdment=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jdment=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Carter Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:30 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jdment at suddenlink.net From jdment at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 21 20:40:23 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Message-ID: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 22 07:13:35 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:13:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay In-Reply-To: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> References: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> Looks like it had at least a shunt to the right front corner in its past. Appears clean rust-wise, but I wonder what's under the paint and what the actual mileage is? It's amusing to see what dealers try to extract from the iron they peddle. I still remember TR3 and 4s as cars that were pretty much given away when they stopped running back in the late 60's, early 70's. As Barret Jackson teaches, a fool and his/her money can be quickly parted. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James McAndrew Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 22 07:21:14 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:21:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay In-Reply-To: <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> References: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D6BA258@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Jim, It sure looks nice in pictures but I'd drive down and see it. I do notice some crusty paint in the engine compartment and cracked rubber seals that shouldn't exist at this kind of price. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:14 AM To: 'James McAndrew'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Looks like it had at least a shunt to the right front corner in its past. Appears clean rust-wise, but I wonder what's under the paint and what the actual mileage is? It's amusing to see what dealers try to extract from the iron they peddle. I still remember TR3 and 4s as cars that were pretty much given away when they stopped running back in the late 60's, early 70's. As Barret Jackson teaches, a fool and his/her money can be quickly parted. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James McAndrew Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 22 07:44:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:44:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: FOT, The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. What doth the list sayeth? This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite and no washers or locking tabs. It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. I likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the answer maybe different for others. Joe A From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 08:05:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:05:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] BRG and other shades of GREEN... Message-ID: Amici... BRG and other shades of GREEN are in the news what with Earth Day and all. Our own FOT TR6 racer, Allen Washatko and his Kubala Washatko Architects firm designed the 'greenest building on the planet.' The Aldo Leopold Legacy Center in Baraboo, Wisconsin was awarded 61 out of a possible 69 points by the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program (more than any other building in the world). Can't get into each and every effort made to achieve this success on list here, but suffice to say this building generates more energy than it needs, and is the first 'carbon neutral' building certified by LEED. Aldo Leopold would be proud. He was the hands on father of the modern conservation movement, and died fighting a brush fire in 1948. Kudos to Allen and Kubala Washatko. Bill Dentinger PS...What does such a green building cost? Well,...rumor has it the entire project ran about $325 per building square foot. Might sound high, but there are long term paybacks over and above the obvious earth friendly leanings. So one should use a 'life cycle' cost ruler when measuring such an effort. Anyway...I'll bet you Allen would tell you he's got three times that much in his TR6 (square foot costs). Good job Allen...in both efforts. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 22 08:11:01 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:11:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 1 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FF19@server.Triumph.local> Hard to believe VDCA has been doing this for 6 years, but the Sixth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR was held on April 18-20, 2008. Another strong showing. For many it was their first run of the season, but those folks who hail from the deep south never seem to have an off season. I wonder when they overhaul their cars? VDCA has a winning format for the Wild Hare, we run combined race groups so we get plenty of track time. Groups 1 & 4 run together; 2, 5 & 7 get to play; then 3, 5 & 8. To make the numbers work we share the track with a BMW drivers club. It's a great partnership that allows both clubs access to VIR, undoubtedly one of the premier tracks in the country. While the run groups are big, they are easily handled by the 3.27 mile track. Talk about track time, how does 4 sessions of Friday, 3 on Saturday, then warm ups, a no-additional-cost one hour enduro and a feature on Sunday afternoon sound? Everyone enjoyed a picture perfect day on Friday, one of the grid workers was telling us this is what we get when we engage a Weather Steward. I almost believed him... Saturday was almost as nice, but the showers did dampen the last session of the day, the BMW enduro. Hey, they all have wipers and defrosters, nobody felt all that bad about it. Sunday was cloudy and threatening, but we got our track time in on dry track. I am not really sure how this happened, but the Triumph Ghetto has gotten out of hand. Through the tireless efforts of a Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall, the word has gotten out that this is the event to drag your Triumph to. Heck, they even got Mike Jackson to abandon his FV buddies for the weekend and bring his TR3. When is the last time you saw that happen? TR3's were fielded by Mike Jackson, Jeff Snook, Dean Tetterton and Randy Williams. TR4's by Rob Deanes, Dennis DeLap, Henry Frye, Don Marshall, Paul O'Malley, Alan Pinel, Mark Wheatley and George Wright. Leo Oddi drove his beautiful TR250. Small chassis Triumphs were there as well, Tim Slater was there with his Spitfire and a I saw at least one GT6. The Friday night festivities have reached new heights as Captain Rob Deanes personally caught the fish, brought the deep fryers and all the preparations for a fish fry that couldn't be beat. Dean Tetterton was on Hush Puppy duty, and everybody was raving about the feast. Complete with all the fixing of the standard paddock party, we enjoyed traditional grilled mammal as well. All were welcome, all left happy. Our hats off to rookie TR4 pilot Rob Deanes for providing an incredible meal. Rob is easy to spot on track, his TR4 causes double-takes, as it closely resembles Old Blue of uncle jack racing fame. Of course Old Blue is no longer with us, so seeing it's ghost circulating the track makes me smile. --continued on Part 2 From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 22 08:11:59 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:11:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 2 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FF1A@server.Triumph.local> --continued from Part 1 The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make their presentation to the FOT-at-large. Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back onto the track. Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. Welcome aboard, Leo! Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get to know who your friends are! Until next time... From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 08:13:20 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: In a message dated 04/22/2008 8:44:50 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. > I > likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > answer maybe different for others. > > Joe... How can we take you serious about the other stuff, if you're going to lie to us about HP and RPMs? Bill (Damdinger) PS...Jan told me that while you are short on horsepower, she's seen you above 8,000 RPMs several times. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 22 08:20:55 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels References: Message-ID: <001f01c8a484$144f2a70$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I just got flywheel bolts from ARP for my aluminum flywheel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels > FOT, > > The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have > been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > > What doth the list sayeth? > > This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite > and > no washers or locking tabs. > > It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in > place. I > likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > answer maybe different for others. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 22 08:28:17 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:28:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> If 3/8 " -24 bolts (stock diameter): ARP p/n: 206-2802 (BMC A series is the intended application) If 7/16 " -20 bolts (I favor these): ARP p/n: 350-2802 (Ford 351 Nascar V-8 is the intended application). These use a 3/4" socket and are 12 point. No washers, red loctite, you have to grind a little off the end of the 7/16 bolts. - Tony At 08:44 AM 4/22/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have >been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > >What doth the list sayeth? > >This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite and >no washers or locking tabs. > >It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. I >likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the >answer maybe different for others. > >Joe A From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:52:22 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:52:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> References: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804220752s5e1e4efp53424a0878460f59@mail.gmail.com> I have eight extra of the Ford ones -- paid Summit about $8 each I think. Will sell. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > If 3/8 " -24 bolts (stock diameter): ARP p/n: 206-2802 (BMC A series > is the intended application) > If 7/16 " -20 bolts (I favor these): ARP p/n: 350-2802 (Ford 351 > Nascar V-8 is the intended application). These use a 3/4" socket and > are 12 point. > > No washers, red loctite, you have to grind a little off the end of > the 7/16 bolts. > > - Tony > > At 08:44 AM 4/22/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >FOT, > > > >The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I > have > >been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > > > >What doth the list sayeth? > > > >This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite > and > >no washers or locking tabs. > > > >It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in > place. I > >likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > >answer maybe different for others. > > > >Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 22 09:34:25 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Don Carter wrote: > I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross > competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is > known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. A Triumph dude AND an autocrosser??? Surely we've lowered our standards! I'll second (or third or whatever) that nomination. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 22 10:00:26 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?Race_Report_-_Wild_Hare_Run_=A0_Part_2?= Message-ID: <5B0D57B7.3DF82CD5.00159EE9@cs.com> egads! three TRs in one race! does this mean he gets to put three TR images on the side of his car like on fighter planes....? i hope he does so i can leave the track asap. i dont suppose this is the same guy that put BDI on his lid? >--continued from Part 1 > >The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make >their presentation to the FOT-at-large. > >Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this >weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many >were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with >gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil >pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. >We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was >able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. > >The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we >were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and >Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those >hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking >out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same >Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by >overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both >feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back >onto the track. > >Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting >with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the >paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog >Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a >steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. >Welcome aboard, Leo! > >Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period >correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around >the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are >reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get >to know who your friends are! > >Until next time... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From REK46 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 10:16:47 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:16:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: Be sure the flywheel bolts have an un-threaded shank to get at least through most of the flywheel thickness(without bottoming on the shank or the crank depth when torqued...full threaded bolts will machine the crank holes. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From REK46 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 10:18:45 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:18:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: i meant " machine the flywheel holes" ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 22 10:33:16 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <424463.8559.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert!!! What a silly fopah on your part .. of course we have no standards or I would never have been accepted ... Really, what were you thinking??? Robert Lang wrote: On A Triumph dude AND an autocrosser??? Surely we've lowered our standards! I'll second (or third or whatever) that nomination. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Apr 22 11:11:53 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Earth Day by- product from the 30's ! Message-ID: Speaking of 'Green' ...The Brits had a racing diesel back when. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080422/FREE/885148020/15 28/newsletter01 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Apr 22 11:49:44 2008 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:49:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Race_Report_-_Wild_Hare_Run_=C2=A0_Part_2?= Message-ID: <2588216.1208886584907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> No, not a guy involved with any actions up North. This guy is from the South and likely does not travel widely. He will be banned for life from VDCA and placed on the VMC Suspension list for the ever popular 13 months. If it is not widely known by ya'll, the VMC list is advisory only for all clubs. Each organization makes its own decision as to what to do with drivers listed by others. Mike Jackson Race Director - VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Sent: Apr 22, 2008 12:00 PM >To: "\"Henry Frye\"" , "\"Friends of > Triumph\"" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run B Part 2 > >egads! three TRs in one race! > >does this mean he gets to put three TR images on the side of his car like on fighter planes....? > >i hope he does so i can leave the track asap. > >i dont suppose this is the same guy that put BDI on his lid? > >>--continued from Part 1 >> >>The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make >>their presentation to the FOT-at-large. >> >>Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this >>weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many >>were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with >>gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil >>pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. >>We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was >>able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. >> >>The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we >>were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and >>Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those >>hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking >>out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same >>Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by >>overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both >>feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back >>onto the track. >> >>Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting >>with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the >>paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog >>Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a >>steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. >>Welcome aboard, Leo! >> >>Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period >>correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around >>the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are >>reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get >>to know who your friends are! >> >>Until next time... >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From LOddTR at aol.com Tue Apr 22 11:50:03 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:50:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 FATBASTARD Champion Announcement Message-ID: Yesterday, Henry Frye provided you with a thorough summary of our race weekend at VIR. Today, I am pleased to announce to the FOT community that we have a new Champion for 2008. In the spirit of the beloved Martha McDougal, we selected a Triumph pilot that exemplifies the comradery, perseverance, racecraft and positive attitude, for which Martha was so well known. After a painstaking, and time consuming review of our complex scoring system, we are pleased to tell you that Mark Wheatley was selected as our 2008 Champion. Mark was presented the trophy, including Martha's left shoe, by Dennis DeLap, our 2007 Champion. The award was in recognition of his years of contribution to the sport and on-track performance during the weekend's racing. Mark is well known as always having a smile, or wry grin, ready at a moments notice. He has willingly assisted in the repair of cars with which he competes, often loaning his own spares in the process. He has steadily progressed as a driver and shared his knowledge with those coming up through the ranks. It's a shame none of us can understand him when he speaks. Congratulations Mark! Dean Tetterton, Don Marshall, Leo Oddi (Rob Deanes, apprentice, chef and newbie) FOT Southeast **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 12:58:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:58:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 04/22/2008 12:50:29 PM Central Daylight Time, grandwazoo at earthlink.net writes: > No, not a guy involved with any actions up North. This guy is from the > South > and likely does not travel widely. He will be banned for life from VDCA and > placed on the VMC Suspension list for the ever popular 13 months. > > If it is not widely known by ya'll, the VMC list is advisory only for all > clubs. Each organization makes its own decision as to what to do with > drivers > listed by others. > > Good for the VDCA! Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Apr 22 21:05:14 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:05:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <480EA76A.1000604@bradakis.com> > Surely we've lowered our standards! > With a bit of spring work and some attention paid to the resulting steering geometry, it isn't that difficult to lower a Standard - oh, wait a minute... mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 22 21:54:47 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080423045422.8C939187645@autox.team.net> Both ARP bolts I mentioned have a shank that eliminates this problem. You still want to run one or two (I vote for two) dowel pins to help locate the flywheel. With the 3/8 ones (and probably the 7/16 ones for that matter), you can run 8 bolts instead of 4. That would eliminate the dowels. I run 2 dowel pins (3/8) and 4 7/16 bolts with the big heads on a steel flywheel. - Tony At 11:16 AM 4/22/2008, REK46 at aol.com wrote: Be sure the flywheel bolts have an un-threaded shank to get at least through most of the flywheel thickness(without bottoming on the shank or the crank depth when torqued...full threaded bolts will machine the crank holes. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. ( http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Apr 24 15:47:24 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA Message-ID: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> This car is 15 minutes from my home. I haven't been to look at it yet, but will be glad to if someone is interested. Jim Reply to: sale-633771534 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-07, 3:48PM 1963 TR4 SCCA E/Production Class Car complete with Log Book, etc.. Call 540-420-9212 for more info. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Christiansburg, VA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://roanoke.craigslist.org/car/633771534.html -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Apr 24 16:26:24 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:26:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA In-Reply-To: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D705261@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Jim, Hold your calls! I just negotiated a purchase of this car over the phone. I've been wanting an affordable car for my son and this looks to be it. Now I need to figure out how to get it to Texas. Anyone have taking something east? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA This car is 15 minutes from my home. I haven't been to look at it yet, but will be glad to if someone is interested. Jim Reply to: sale-633771534 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-07, 3:48PM 1963 TR4 SCCA E/Production Class Car complete with Log Book, etc.. Call 540-420-9212 for more info. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Christiansburg, VA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://roanoke.craigslist.org/car/633771534.html -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Apr 24 18:49:31 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 steel wheel rear axle hub needed Message-ID: <0JZU007KCVSMAI00@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Anyone have a spare rear axle hub for a TR4 with the steel wheel studs? haaaaaalp! jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Apr 24 22:34:35 2008 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:34:35 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion Message-ID: Dear Listers, Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower Trunnions (Takes bolt)? 1. Is that you need the a SET of TR4A/TR6 lower wishbones to replace the TR4 set? 2. Do you then need to have a modified INNER lower wishbone bush? Or will the TR4/6 STD bush fit on the TR4 wishbone, lower fulcrum pins (On Chassis) Any assistance greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Apr 25 06:39:10 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:39:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion Message-ID: <042520081239.27838.4811D0EE000E509F00006CBE2200751150970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Peter Vucinic" > Dear Listers, > > > > Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower > Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower > Trunnions (Takes bolt)? At the very least, you will need 4A-6 vertical links to go with those trunnions. The later trunnions and vertical links are sided. In other words, they do not use the same pieces on each side of the car. HTH, Irv Korey From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Apr 24 18:48:48 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:48:48 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion References: <042520081239.27838.4811D0EE000E509F00006CBE2200751150970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8a66e$1fe87300$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I thought the vertical links and spindles were unchanged from 3 ttrough 4A. I know the steering arms were changed when the rack and pinion was introduced. Also the caliper mounting brackets were changed when the 16P calipers came on. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Peter Vucinic" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > > > Dear Listers, > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower > > Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower > > Trunnions (Takes bolt)? > > At the very least, you will need 4A-6 vertical links to go with those trunnions. The later trunnions and vertical links are sided. In other words, they do not use the same pieces on each side of the car. > HTH, > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Apr 24 19:23:53 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:23:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion References: <042520081557.24379.4811FF6C00028E1D00005F3B2207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8a673$068f3ec0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I believe the first TR4s used the same trunnions and upper arm/ball joint assembly as the TR3A/B and that at some point early in the model run (CT63XX) the trunnions and upper a-arm/ball joint assembly were changed to provide the three degrees of positive castor. If you are using trunnions with pressed in pins, they are the late TR4 type (as opposed the TR4A-TR6 type which used a through bolt), and you would need the TR4 lower a-arms with these. ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: Steven Preiss Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steven Preiss" > I thought the vertical links and spindles were unchanged from 3 ttrough 4A. The 4A uses different vertical links and trunnions, as well as different a-arms compared to the TR4. Irv From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 11:29:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:29:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] FoT in Need of Liners Message-ID: FoT, I am helping a FoT get his engine together. Does anyone have a set of original 86mm liners on the shelf that are going no where? I have a set of AE Hepolite 87mm pistons for this FoT. Will ship to Allison, Iowa for boring/honing to 87mm to match the pistons. Thanks! Joe Alexander From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Apr 25 11:48:21 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:48:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: Dear FOT, Recently, we installed the TR-4 front suspension on the TR-3. The Roadster Factory seem to show only these fancy gold color grooved brake rotors for the TR-4 in their new catalogs. My thoughts were that these rotors would be an upgrade to the stock steel rotors. We started installing the grooved rotors wh en it was suddenly noticed in the manufacture's instructions: "Do not use these rotors for racing." My thoughts are how can these rotors be an upgrade if you can't race with them, and you can race with the steel rotors. The Roadster Factory representative recommended that I go ahead and use the grooved rotors, because they are much better than the steel rotors. My concern is that someone at Tech. Inspection might be familiar with the instructions for the grooved rotors and f ail the car. I ordered a new pair of the original steel brake rotors, and they are now on the car. Does anyone on the list have recommendations, thoughts, or opinions concerning these grooved rotors? ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Apr 25 12:00:16 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:00:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have considered this myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not using them for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. Comments???? Interested minds want to know. Cheers, Gary **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From Billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 25 12:26:56 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:26:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69DA2F8F-97AF-462E-94BD-FFB13AA45BC7@bnj.com> I assume they don't recommend them for racing because most sanctioning bodies will ding you for them. I have a set on Peyote and several times they were mentioned in tech though I was never excluded and no one put a "fix" mention in my log book. Of course I was traveling from track to track--if I was racing with just one group I suspect I would have had to change them. If there is an advantage to them I sure can't feel it. The only reason they are on Peyote is that they were available when my rotor broke up-- I think it was at VIR or perhaps Elkheart. I think the way to get good braking on a TR is to use good pads and break them in properly, then make sure they aren't getting tapered as you use them. I use Kas' method of grinding them flat in a drill press using a flat cup stone. Follow the manufacturers suggestions for break in, which usually is to brake progressively harder several times, allowing cool off time between applications of the bakes, then let everything cool off and offgas before racing on the things. I tend to break in pads, then pull them, look for even wear on the pads, then put them back in the box as ready spares. I have about ten sets of pads that I've done this to. A good exercise on track days. I spend all my time on track days playing with tires and brakes. rears too. On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM, GSFuqua1 at aol.com wrote: > No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have > considered this > myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not > using them > for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. > > Comments???? Interested minds want to know. > > Cheers, > > Gary > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 12:48:42 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: FoT, Ishihara-Johnson is making a name for themselves in the crank scraper business. They now have scrapers and windage trays for Spitfires/Six Cylinder/Tr3/4. Optional is teflon wipers for almost zero clearance in wiping oil. I am going to order scraper and windage tray from them and have discussed a larger purchase. Who would like to participate in this one time order? I'll have cost figures after I get the level of interest. GT6 TR6 Spitfire TR3/4 Knowing their methods of manufacturing, lead time is unknown with a large order, but I will get schedule following a proposal to them. Excel Spreadsheet Time. Look at their website and try to determine if it has a benefit to you. I suspect that it has a good return on the investment. I have never made one because it is so labor intensive. Uncle Jack is standing down on his, because of the development time for so many combinations, and Ishihara-Johnson's list price looks quite good for the development that they must have in them. Your interest would not be construed as a committment to purchase. Name Car Make/Model Scraper Only Scraper and Windage Tray Teflon Option Thanks! Joe From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 13:25:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:25:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: Addendum: Specials can be done with various crank and rod configurations. It should be noted, if needed. (Thanks Russ!) > FoT, > > Ishihara-Johnson is making a name for themselves in the crank scraper > business. They now have scrapers and windage trays for Spitfires/Six > Cylinder/Tr3/4. > > Optional is teflon wipers for almost zero clearance in wiping oil. > > I am going to order scraper and windage tray from them and have discussed a > larger purchase. > > Who would like to participate in this one time order? I'll have cost > figures > after I get the level of interest. > > GT6 > TR6 > Spitfire > TR3/4 > > Knowing their methods of manufacturing, lead time is unknown with a large > order, but I will get schedule following a proposal to them. > > Excel Spreadsheet Time. Look at their website and try to determine if it > has > a benefit to you. I suspect that it has a good return on the investment. I > have never made one because it is so labor intensive. Uncle Jack is standing > down on his, because of the development time for so many combinations, and > Ishihara-Johnson's list price looks quite good for the development that they > must > have in them. Your interest would not be construed as a committment to > purchase. > > Name > Car Make/Model > Scraper Only > Scraper and Windage Tray > Teflon Option > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > > > __________________________________________ From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 19:30:15 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:30:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: The Teflon Option is the leading choice so far. My first one will not have the Teflon, but that's because I have Chevy rods in one engine and I just want to evaluate it. Also, I'm getting strong positives on the use of them. I admire the devlopment effort they have put into these. They also have received support and encouragement from the FoT...no surprise there. Joe A > All, > > I just purchased a Teflon one for the spitfire. Great piece. I haven't > had a chance to fit it as it showed up after the massive engine explostion at > St. louis. http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher#100266&bgcolor=black&view=grid > > This will certainly be in the new lump. > > aaron > From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Apr 25 20:05:05 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:05:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors References: <69DA2F8F-97AF-462E-94BD-FFB13AA45BC7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8a741$f4e0dfb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I tend to agree with Bill; the drilled and slotted or grooved rotors don't seem to be that much better than regular rotors. I'm not as experienced as a lot of you guys though. The only reason that I put them on is that they were with a bunch of items that I got from a friend. And look cool. As for getting rid of taper on the pads, I use a surface grinder. Works great. Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 Vintage (And yes, I've already entered the Glen race). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors > I assume they don't recommend them for racing because most sanctioning > bodies will ding you for them. I have a set on Peyote and several > times they were mentioned in tech though I was never excluded and no > one put a "fix" mention in my log book. Of course I was traveling from > track to track--if I was racing with just one group I suspect I would > have had to change them. > > If there is an advantage to them I sure can't feel it. The only reason > they are on Peyote is that they were available when my rotor broke up-- > I think it was at VIR or perhaps Elkheart. I think the way to get good > braking on a TR is to use good pads and break them in properly, then > make sure they aren't getting tapered as you use them. I use Kas' > method of grinding them flat in a drill press using a flat cup stone. > > Follow the manufacturers suggestions for break in, which usually is to > brake progressively harder several times, allowing cool off time > between applications of the bakes, then let everything cool off and > offgas before racing on the things. I tend to break in pads, then pull > them, look for even wear on the pads, then put them back in the box as > ready spares. I have about ten sets of pads that I've done this to. A > good exercise on track days. > > I spend all my time on track days playing with tires and brakes. rears > too. > > On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM, GSFuqua1 at aol.com wrote: > > > No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have > > considered this > > myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not > > using them > > for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. > > > > Comments???? Interested minds want to know. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > > used car > > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From srcypher at mac.com Fri Apr 25 22:13:13 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01554A0B-8AB2-486A-9C65-B0FDAABD42B9@mac.com> I already have 2, both Teflon, one installed and in use; you could always get an additional Teflon strip if you change the rods or crank, and can re-profile.... I was the one who pushed him to get the spitfire scraper developed and also worked with him on a girdle for my spit....I even had ARP make special main studs so I clamp it all together... Pics of the setup are within my gallery link in my sig; same place as Aaron's lump; I'm hosting his pictures... Off to MARRS I regional race tomorrow at summit point; should be a good day; 6 other HP racers to play with... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher From haretoday at comcast.net Sat Apr 26 01:00:50 2008 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:00:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> I would like to nominate Bob Scollard for induction into our group. His email is bobsc at teleport.com. Bob just completed his first weekend race with SOVREN in his '63 Spitfire through sleet, snow and even hail. And with my '63 that gives us two in the Northwest--alright!!! Thanks for your consideration, Steve Hare From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:31:32 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:31:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Targa Tazmania Day 2 GT6 Diary Message-ID: Peter Hall's Day 2 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/14/mftarga114.xml Pete Hall's Day 3 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/15/mftarga115.xml Kev Lynch From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:37:23 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:37:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 @ Targa Day 4 Message-ID: Pete Hall's Day 4 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/16/mftarga116.xml Kev Lynch From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:44:42 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:44:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6's Targa Day 5 Message-ID: Pete's Day 5 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/17/mftarga117.xml Pete Hall's Day 6 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/18/mftarga118.xml Kevin From triosan at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 09:16:39 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:16:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> References: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804260816r53ea5030wf506a66bc866c161@mail.gmail.com> I second that nomination. Imagine, SOVREN moved the event later in the year to get better weather! Week before it was 80, today a week later, it is 65. And it really did snow and sleet. My car was/is not ready so I just watched. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:00 AM, wrote: > I would like to nominate Bob Scollard for induction into our group. His > email is > bobsc at teleport.com. Bob just completed his first weekend race with SOVREN > in his '63 Spitfire > through sleet, snow and even hail. And with my '63 that gives us two in > the Northwest--alright!!! > Thanks for your consideration, > Steve Hare > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 26 15:42:05 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:42:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: <20080426.174205.7776.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Bill, I know that you race with SCCA. Drilled and/or slotted rotors are not allowed in SCCA, unless the car was originally equipped with them. Joe(B) -- WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: Dear FOT, Recently, we installed the TR-4 front suspension on the TR-3. The Roadster Factory seem to show only these fancy gold color grooved brake rotors for the TR-4 in their new catalogs. My thoughts were that these rotors would be an upgrade to the stock steel rotors. We started installing the grooved rotors wh en it was suddenly noticed in the manufacture's instructions: "Do not use these rotors for racing." My thoughts are how can these rotors be an upgrade if you can't race with them, and you can race with the steel rotors. The Roadster Factory representative recommended that I go ahead and use the grooved rotors, because they are much better than the steel rotors. My concern is that someone at Tech. Inspection might be familiar with the instructions for the grooved rotors and f ail the car. I ordered a new pair of the original steel brake rotors, and they are now on the car. Does anyone on the list have recommendations, thoughts, or opinions concerning these grooved rotors? ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlZS6oghPEAvbYaAACc1tzYY EcyKkRD1X8BTlL1I9BXAfl9e/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 18:43:08 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:43:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Message-ID: FoT List: In less than a day I have an EXCEL Spreadsheet with (11) names. (5) Six Cylinder Engines and (6) Four Cylinder Engines. Half are the Fastest Triumph Drivers on the Planet, but the other half are reliability oriented folks who want to extract a little more HP that is available from their engines. Both Groups have intelligence. Mine is being fabricated now for shipment soon. I'll likely submit the FOT List, to Kevin Johnson at the end of next week. We will have to deal with some specials like Moldex Cranks and Chevy Rods, but we can take those one at a time. I also have a list of FIVE folks who already have purchased from I - J and have praise and pictures available. Not one complaint. Then there is one resounding endorsement from someone who would know best. Thanks! Joe A From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 19:06:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:06:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] 86mm LINERS Message-ID: FoT: It looks like we still need four good original 86mm liners for Tom Boggiano's Lo Performance-Hi Reliability TR4 Engine. Suitable for 87mm bore job. Can anyone help?...before I go to the big list. Thanks! Joe From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Apr 26 04:28:29 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:28:29 +1100 Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS References: Message-ID: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. The old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with copper kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! Manual says to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front seal housing be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is quite wavy when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to decide if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones are probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. Perhaps could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that looks like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had been tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck to the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized hunk of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had been soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with solder and it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? Crank end float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust washers? i am feeling overwhelmed! Many thanks in advance. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: spreiss at verizon.net Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Steve, List is $75 for scraper Add $100 for Teflon Zero Clearance Scraper Windage Tray is $150. Did I offer you a set of Pistons and then forget? I very possibly could do that. if I did, I apologize. I think they are sold. Regards, Joe Hi Joe What is the cost for TR4 with and witout teflon? Thanks Steve P. I take it you have sold the 87mm pistons? From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 19:50:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:50:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Message-ID: Steve, We are assuming that you are going to do a complete engine rebuild? To what level of performance, starting with cam? Joe > I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. > The old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with > copper kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! > Manual says to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front > seal housing be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is > quite wavy when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to > decide if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones > are probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. > Perhaps could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? > Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a > castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that looks > like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had been > tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck to > the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized hunk > of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had been > soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with solder and > it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? Crank end > float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust washers? i am > feeling overwhelmed! > Many thanks in advance. > Steve P.----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: N197TR4 at cs.com >> > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 26 21:18:59 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Was Scrapers, now gifts in the oil pan In-Reply-To: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <20080427031840.AB54C1878A6@autox.team.net> I'm ambivalent about the front block. If you think it's been installed for a long time and the cork is hardened it certainly doesn't hurt to replace the cork but I doubt that's the problem. It doesn't take as long as you think to beat the bolt holes back down. I do that probably every other rebuild. Timing cover is the same deal - just beat that back flat today. Actually, if you can dish them a little the other way, they'll pull up nicely when the pan is tightened. The pan gasket from Moss or British Parts Northwest is fine. Coat it thinly (I use my finger tip to apply) with high temp rtv silicone on both sides. I prefer the black version of that "form a gasket". One of the oil pan gasket sets (I probably bought it from Moss) includes the cork for the front block. The normal source of major leaks is the front seal or the rear main seal. The stuff in the pan is troubling and probably justifies a complete disassembly and cleaning. The oil pick up tube with attached screen is available from Moss, I think. Having crap circulate with the oil cause wear to the inside of the oil pump, to the main bearings, rod bearings and the crank. Even with great filters, there are bypass circuit(s) in the oil filter head that can allow the crap to bypass the oil filter, unfortunately. British Parts Northwest sells 0.005 oversize thrust washers - both sides are 0.005" oversize so it actually takes 0.010 out of the end float. You can use half a set of normal thrust washers and half a set of oversized. That's what I did. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/TR3-4A--Main%20Engine%20Components/7052/Thrust%20Washer%20Set%20TR3-4A Also, putting them in backwards is a great way to ruin a crank and block. Also, my hint for the day... When installing the cam and timing it to the crank, be sure you are using the INTAKE lobe instead of the exhaust lobe. It turns out that the valves interfere with popup pistons if you use the exhaust lobe by mistake. I'll be using another timing cover gasket and another head gasket tomorrow making that right. Luckily they interfered or I wouldn't have figured it out until after I put the engine in the car. Sheesh. And the cam timing went so quickly - I was feeling like superman. - Tony At 05:28 AM 4/26/2008, Steven Preiss wrote: >I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. The >old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with copper >kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! Manual says >to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front seal housing >be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is quite wavy >when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to decide >if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones are >probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. Perhaps >could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? >Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a >castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that >looks like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had >been tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck >to the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized >hunk of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had >been soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with >solder and it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? >Crank end float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust >washers? i am feeling overwhelmed! >Many thanks in advance. >Steve P. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 27 07:59:17 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner Message-ID: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was 'county' from one of the big three. So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, stainless steel, etc. Thanks Dennis DeLap From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Apr 27 08:28:42 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:28:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] The Red Rocket... Message-ID: Amici... The June 2008 issue of TRIUMPH WORLD arrive yesterday, and includes a great article by Andy Willsheer about our own Ken Gillanders (British Frame & Engine) and his 1955 Triumph TR2. Anyone familiar with this car knows its storied history which includes rallies and drag racing. That latter career was legendary. It was a Giant Killer. Now dressed out in street trim, it looks like a trailer queen, but be advised Red Rocket is a better moniker. There is also a short, but nice piece on Joe Alexander, Alexander Racing Enterprises and the 'AMBRO PROJECT.' I am only about a third into the issue. There's some other good stuff too, including an article by Paul Richardson about a couple of Peters (you should excuse the expression)...Clarke and Cox, and a near death experience racing Spitfires on twisty Italian roads. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 27 14:42:23 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:42:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8a8a7$336263b0$0701000a@Bud> Hi Dennis..I have 10 timing chain tensioners on Ebay...all 10 for 9.95, with a buy it now of 14.99..they didn't sell the 1st time.. I believe 2 or 3 are tr4 item listing 360047170108 my ebay user name is budscarco ...hope all is well with you Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner > AMICI > > I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. > In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower > than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed > that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure > enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse > curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. > > Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner > was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was > 'county' from one of the big three. > > So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, > stainless steel, etc. > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jibjib at att.net Sun Apr 27 14:51:52 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:51:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner In-Reply-To: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8a8a8$8681ba40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Dennis, Right after I rebuilt my street/AutoX TR3, a while back, I found out that Greg Solow was selling hardened (chrome plated?) tensioners. I'd also be a tad concerned that yours failed so fast. It may be indicative of more than just a bad tensioner. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner AMICI I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was 'county' from one of the big three. So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, stainless steel, etc. Thanks Dennis DeLap Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jibjib at att.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 27 16:55:02 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:55:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] NATC 2008 and Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: Amici, If you intend to attend NATC 2008 in Ypsilanti, Michigan, I have learned that there will be a vintage race at Waterford Hills the weekend prior. I am not sure who the sanctioning body is, but here is the information and entry link. http://www.waterfordhills.com/results/50thentry.pdf Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 28 07:29:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:29:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kas' Latest Book-Racing Winning & Other Myths Page 108 Message-ID: Good morning! Pull Kas' book out of the bookcase and go to page 108. Windage Trays and Crank Scrapers "Good Gains in Power and Reliability" Ishihara-Jackson crank-scrapers.com Or buy the book and read it. Kas still has some left.... I am putting together a Group Order for Trays and Scrapers. I have an Excel Spreadsheet for 17 Systems as of this morning. I'd like to wrap it up by Wednesday and submit it by Friday. Last Call Today. Discounting is under discussion. I am ordering one system with Scraper and Windage Tray....and a second one when I get a handle on what the AMBRO needs. Retail is about: $75 for close tolerance Scraper $100 add on for ZERO CLEARANCE TEFLON (OPTION) $150 for four cylinder Windage Tray $300 for six cylinder Windage Tray (complex assembly with doors and frame) Joe A From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 28 09:06:38 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner In-Reply-To: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, While we're on the topic of "kool projects", I'd LOVE to see anything related to putting a modern _teflon_ chanin tensioner in my timing cover. The spring steel thing seems to be a weak spot on our engines. I know other FOT's have done the teflon guide thing... details? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 28 17:52:59 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:52:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment Message-ID: <001001c8a98a$fda29210$8701a8c0@richardiipc> The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the winter. Too long on the lift I guess. Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 28 18:26:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Red Rocket... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080429002628.OZBP7113.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I was just going through our Club's video archive (VHS) this weekend and capturing the video to burn to DVD and on the last section of the last tape that I was capturing has Ken featured with his car pretty prominently while it was being judged at a small show. The judges were jokingly "ripping" on him for having the boot hinges painted red rather then being chrome. The end of the video segment has the "Red Rocket" driving next to the car with the camera down the freeway with Ken in the passengers seat. The video is from about 1984. At 07:28 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote: >Amici... > >The June 2008 issue of TRIUMPH WORLD arrive yesterday, and includes a great >article by Andy Willsheer about our own Ken Gillanders (British >Frame & Engine) >and his 1955 Triumph TR2. Anyone familiar with this car knows its storied >history which includes rallies and drag racing. That latter career was >legendary. It was a Giant Killer. Now dressed out in street trim, >it looks like a >trailer queen, but be advised Red Rocket is a better moniker. > >There is also a short, but nice piece on Joe Alexander, Alexander Racing >Enterprises and the 'AMBRO PROJECT.' > >I am only about a third into the issue. There's some other good stuff too, >including an article by Paul Richardson about a couple of Peters (you should >excuse the expression)...Clarke and Cox, and a near death experience racing >Spitfires on twisty Italian roads. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used >car listings at AOL Autos. > >(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Apr 28 04:55:52 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:55:52 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment References: <001001c8a98a$fda29210$8701a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <003a01c8a91e$6d9eb610$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Next winter, flip it over, tie some heavy rope to the frame at the lift points, get some friends together and and hoist it up from the garage joists. (You may want to sister them first.) This method has always proven effective for me. Good luck! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment > The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the winter. Too > long on the lift I guess. > > > > Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? > > > > Richard > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 28 20:41:03 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:41:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment In-Reply-To: <003a01c8a91e$6d9eb610$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <001901c8a9a2$782adc10$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> None of this may apply to the TR4, but when I first got the Spitfire I am currently racing, the door gaps were between 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 inches at the top. This was the result of a previous owner cutting the meager rear body supports over the rear axle to allow the roll cage to be welded directly to the frame, adding a fuel cell and big Diehard battery to the trunk floor and then driving over the curbs and off course a lot. During the ground up rebuild, I mounted the body on the frame, cut off the outer rocker panels, pulled the front and rear cowl's together with ratchet straps and 2x4's and then welded on the new rockers. I also added some small, adjustable body mounts between the rear trunk floor (what's left of it) and the new fuel cell/battery subframe that is bolted directly to the frame. This spring, I actually had to adjust the door pins closer together. I think the gap is actually shrinking a bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:56 AM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Body Adjustment Next winter, flip it over, tie some heavy rope to the frame at the lift points, get some friends together and and hoist it up from the garage joists. (You may want to sister them first.) This method has always proven effective for me. Good luck! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment > The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the > winter. Too > long on the lift I guess. > > > > Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? > > > > Richard > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 29 06:39:14 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: <955991.71514.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road America? Thanks Dennis DeLap From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 29 06:45:41 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:45:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2008 7:40:27 AM Central Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road > America? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > Make that two, if possible. Joe A From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Apr 29 06:50:19 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:50:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: <042920081250.2102.4817198B00089431000008362207021573970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > In a message dated 4/29/2008 7:40:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road > > America? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > > > Make that two, if possible. I guess I need to be added to that list as well. Irv Korey From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Apr 29 07:03:23 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:03:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: If you want to help monitor the pits during the enduros and perhaps help at tech, we will gladly give you credentials. Jack Woehrle SVRA Technical Director **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From spitfireracer at xsmail.com Tue Apr 29 16:44:19 2008 From: spitfireracer at xsmail.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:44:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FYI: TR4 Fiberglass Bonnet Message-ID: <3FAE64F5-B0D5-43A2-BF36-64A89B56F1F9@xsmail.com> For those whom might be looking for one, I came across this one on ebay... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TRIUMPH-TR4-TR4A-FIBERGLASS-Bonnet- Hood_W0QQitemZ250103330582QQihZ015QQcategoryZ34204QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1 VQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247 Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1963 Spit Mki Roller (For Sale Cheap) 1976 TR7 Street "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From jdment at suddenlink.net Wed Apr 30 20:02:17 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine Message-ID: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small prototype Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). I don't need a Bridgeport. I have 220v single phase in my garage. What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power feed? Thanks Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 30 20:48:58 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:48:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine In-Reply-To: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <438DC450-6FC8-4CC5-9FDC-E65620D97053@bnj.com> I like my shoptask machine--combination lathe/mill/drill press. Their new versions are called the Patriot--funny spin for a chinese machine-- painted red white and blue. That's about the only thing american about it, but that's the way the world spins. the new version is five grand and looks a lot nicer than mine. You can add CRC, DRO and ball screw options and increase the price substantially but not absurdly. the tooling is very reasonable, and they have about everything. Tapers are standard so most stuff from other manufacturers works just fine. It's not a lightweight mini kind of deal. The unit weighs about 1500 pounds, it you put it on a second floor you might want to rope off underneath it. On Apr 30, 2008, at 4:02 PM, James McAndrew wrote: > I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. > > > > I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small > prototype > Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). > > > > I don't need a Bridgeport. > > > > I have 220v single phase in my garage. > > > > What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power > feed? > > > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > > Tyler, Texas > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Apr 30 21:22:05 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, this is along the lines of discusion about automotive lifts of a few weeks ago. You need one. Go for the Bridgeport, with digital readout and power feed. Yeah, the Griz or Jet or Enco are ok, but you can get a used Bridgeport (or Clausing or other brands) for about the same money and it will outlast the lesser brands. Plus, was made in Conn.or somewhere domestically and parts or accessories are readily available. I have an Index brand milling machine, built in 1944; I have the original mfr. documents. War Dept OK'd! It's smooth as silk and much more accurate than I'll ever be. (Before I bought it, I'd never run one!) I also have a Rutland brand import; works ok but not a Bridgeport. Probably came from the same factory as the Enco, etc. I have a couple sources for used equipment; give me a shout and I'll give you details. And no I don't have a financial interest in them. Just trying to help. Hope this helps; my 2 francs worth. Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie Pa Vintage TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McAndrew" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine > I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. > > > > I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small prototype > Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). > > > > I don't need a Bridgeport. > > > > I have 220v single phase in my garage. > > > > What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power feed? > > > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > > Tyler, Texas > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 30 22:20:30 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:20:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine In-Reply-To: <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <82D103E7-4792-4343-AA96-89FDFE16F7DD@bnj.com> I agree that the american or german made machines are worth the bucks and better used than the chinese stuff is new, but I've found this shoptask machine to be pretty handy for my middling skills--the little I remember from machine shop class in High School reinforced with a bunch of skimmed books. I think it takes about three years of serious effort to be a machinist of any quality and ten years and some talent before you really know what you're doing. Used to be a lot of used good machinery around, and I had a friend that sold the stuff. When I finally had space to put together a machine shop he was out of biz--told me the sources of used equipment had pretty much dried up and the available stuff was junk. Kind of makes sense--when every little town had a machine shop the equipment moved around a lot. Most of those small shops are gone, and the gear serious people buy today is for lights out machining. When one of those operations goes BK there's nothing us regular folks can use. I spent a lot of time perusing eBay and other sources before I bought my shoptask. I gave up. On Apr 30, 2008, at 5:22 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi, this is along the lines of discusion about automotive lifts of a > few > weeks ago. You need one. > Go for the Bridgeport, with digital readout and power feed. Yeah, > the Griz > or Jet or Enco are ok, but you can get a used Bridgeport (or > Clausing or > other brands) for about the same money and it will outlast the lesser > brands. Plus, was made in Conn.or somewhere domestically and parts or > accessories are readily available. > I have an Index brand milling machine, built in 1944; I have the > original > mfr. documents. War Dept OK'd! It's smooth as silk and much more > accurate > than I'll ever be. (Before I bought it, I'd never run one!) > I also have a Rutland brand import; works ok but not a Bridgeport. > Probably > came from the same factory as the Enco, etc. > I have a couple sources for used equipment; give me a shout and I'll > give > you details. And no I don't have a financial interest in them. Just > trying > to help. > Hope this helps; my 2 francs worth. > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie Pa Vintage TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James McAndrew" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine > > >> I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. >> >> >> >> I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small >> prototype >> Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). >> >> >> >> I don't need a Bridgeport. >> >> >> >> I have 220v single phase in my garage. >> >> >> >> What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power >> feed? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim McAndrew >> >> Tyler, Texas >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Tue Apr 1 03:10:24 2008 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:10:24 +1000 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences with what can be made to fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a problem. I've tried a web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them being used. Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne From rhlamp at babcock.com Tue Apr 1 07:42:32 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:42:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little modification. I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. R. Lamp -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Terry and Cindy Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences with what can be made to fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a problem. I've tried a web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them being used. Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rhlamp at babcock.com ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. 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From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 1 07:58:12 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com> <2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC> <041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Steven Preiss wrote: > Geoff (et all) > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just > two jackings. How do you do this?! > Steve P. I do it using a floor jack and 4 _three tonne_ jackstands. The larger jackstands allow you to raise the car a lot higher. The normal two tonne jackstands only go up to 18 inches of so but the three tonne ones go quite a bit higher. I got the 3-tonners for the truck, but figured out that they help get the car higher for some of the suspension work. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cofrog at q.com Tue Apr 1 08:47:49 2008 From: cofrog at q.com (DANNY D FORGEY) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 14:47:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Stahl Headers Part 2 Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the helpful responses. Solution to make Stahl TR4 headers fit a TR4A in my case is to cut on the lower a arm mount and frame. I am unwilling to compromise the strength by doing this and am reluctantly putting the header up for sale. List in October 07 was $515.00. I got them for $490 and would like to get that out of them. I'll pay the shipping. Thanks, Dan Forgey From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 09:57:54 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 11:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little > modification. > I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. > > R. Lamp > -----Original Message----- > From: > fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Terry and > Cindy > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: > Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid > filled damper for the front > of > a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences > with what can be made to > fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a > problem. I've tried > a > web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them > being used. > > Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > rhlamp at babcock.com > > ----------------------------------------- > This message > is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed and > contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From rhlamp at babcock.com Tue Apr 1 11:02:11 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 13:02:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp Ps. Scott, I was surprised to open up the latest Spitfire and GT6 magazine and see your car. Looks great! Glad it found such a good home. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Janzen [mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:58 AM To: Lamp, Randy H; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little > modification. > I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. > > R. Lamp > -----Original Message----- > From: > fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > Terry and > Cindy > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: > Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid > filled damper for the front > of > a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences > with what can be made to > fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a > problem. I've tried > a > web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them > being used. > > Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as > rhlamp at babcock.com > > ----------------------------------------- > This message > is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed and > contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Apr 1 12:23:44 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 10:23:44 -0800 Subject: [Fot] jacking References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> I use 2 floor jacks, I set one under the rear before I jack the front. Jack the front, set the jackstands in front then jack the rear and set the rear jackstands on the rear bumper attachments. If I don't do it this way, I can't get the jack under the other end of the car once I start jacking. This is for the TR6 Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Steven Preiss" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] jacking > On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Steven Preiss wrote: > > > Geoff (et all) > > I'd be happy to be able to raise the frame 20 inches off the floor with just > > two jackings. How do you do this?! > > Steve P. > > I do it using a floor jack and 4 _three tonne_ jackstands. The larger > jackstands allow you to raise the car a lot higher. The normal two tonne > jackstands only go up to 18 inches of so but the three tonne ones go quite > a bit higher. > > I got the 3-tonners for the truck, but figured out that they help get the > car higher for some of the suspension work. > > regards, > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 1 13:29:44 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:29:44 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg In-Reply-To: <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <4571A24920E64C63A8E4F12530B75AF1@Mobil> On my weekly ways to Hamburg, when skies are clear I went off the Autobahn and drive on a weird little road of 21,82km length...... Can you imagine, how much fun this is???? :-))))) http://www.racepicture.de/galerie/albums/Nuerburgring/2008/Touristenfahrten/20080330/Autos/49-Touris064120080330.JPG From cwn74 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 16:12:18 2008 From: cwn74 at aol.com (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Baa Baa Waa Waa Alert - tonight at 10 Message-ID: <002501c89445$735d5590$1342a8c0@semperon3400> Here's a show right up our alley!!! Tune in tonight! Barbara Walters and Paul Newman (and others) 10PM on ABC "Live to be 150... Can you do it?" Some footage shot at Lime Rock last summer, you may even see me! Paul takes Barbara for a few laps at speed in a GT-1 Camaro Yee-Haa! Clark Clark W. Nicholls "Reality... It's not what you think." From srcypher at mac.com Tue Apr 1 16:21:39 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a 1500 4cyl? Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on the vendor you refer to below, so I can contact them.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 17:20:50 2008 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:20:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl Message-ID: Terry O'Bierne asked: > I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid filled damper for the front of > a TR6 crank. I believe Richard Good (Goodparts) sells modified ATI dampers for the TR6. Usual disclaimers apply. >From my V8 days, I can absolutely attest that good dampers are very expensive, but worth every penny. On our cooked-spaghetti TR6 cranks, a very-high quality dampener is a must. Having said that, my TR6 is running a stock dampener, but then again, I've not yet wrung its neck. That will not happen until I get a new dampener. Shane Ingate in NM _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_ Refresh_messenger_video_042008 From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Apr 1 18:25:26 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:25:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> References: <91900.58314.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <47EFDC0F.7060502@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <83CCF0509A8A41F1A78A91872761BC0A@SohlPC> Mark wrote: > And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both electrical > and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never want to be > more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. A reasonable approach to having electric outlets everywhere and air connections on the same basis is to use the self coiling overhead reels for electric and air. I have an electric and an air reel (each has about 30 feet of lead) mounted overhead almost in the center of my 30x30 garage (12 foot to bottom of rafter). This has worked very well for me. Cheers, Bill Sohl From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 18:50:45 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <83CCF0509A8A41F1A78A91872761BC0A@SohlPC> Message-ID: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Good point. I put in three 15 amp circuits for outlets with duplex plug spaced every 6 ft in my 26 x 36 shop. I've ended up with 4 LBC's in a shop that I planned for 3. As a result, the tools and workbenches are located a whole lot different than I originally planned. I've got unused outlets where the long term project cars are stored and not near enough around my tools. Whatever you're putting in, you'll need more. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sohl Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:25 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal Mark wrote: > And as others have said, you can't overdo it on outlets, both > electrical and air. When I'm working on stuff in the shop, I never > want to be more than a few steps from power, air and paper towels. A reasonable approach to having electric outlets everywhere and air connections on the same basis is to use the self coiling overhead reels for electric and air. I have an electric and an air reel (each has about 30 feet of lead) mounted overhead almost in the center of my 30x30 garage (12 foot to bottom of rafter). This has worked very well for me. Cheers, Bill Sohl Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From stlnyc at msn.com Tue Apr 1 19:09:31 2008 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 19:09:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> References: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> Message-ID: Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts used in tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. Probably just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a regular service lift. Fred Hodgson From niteseeker at aol.com Tue Apr 1 20:20:13 2008 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:20:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] jacking In-Reply-To: References: <1102041420762.1101325072946.21803.4.151500D5@scheduler> Message-ID: <7AE2E465-9DC2-4A79-B838-A20A33606A71@aol.com> Check in the Car Shoppers found in restaurants. There are many of them. Some of them are even 120 volt powered. On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts > used in > tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. > Probably > just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a > regular > service lift. > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as niteseeker at aol.com From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 20:32:53 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 22:32:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Light weight pushrods? Message-ID: <008c01c89469$da969e00$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I'm looking for a recommendation for lightweight pushrods for a GT6. I need to get them made to length. Recommendations? From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Apr 1 21:26:41 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:26:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Question on oil filter - bypass feature Message-ID: >From an old Ken Galanders article, I blocked this bypass feature completely by tapping 1/4" pipe threads into the hole, and installing a 1/4" pipe plug. My machinist did not think that it was a good idea to completely defeat the cold oil bypass. I then copied Greg Solow and shimmed the valve spring with some small washers. It will still open, but at a higher pressure. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom0003 0000000001) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Apr 1 21:39:54 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:39:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> Another tip that may be useful. Go to your local hardware home improvement store. Head to the paint section, grab a can of spray paint, any color, any brand, whatever. Take this can to the roofing section with the shingles, tarpaper and gutters. Check out the various types of plastic gutters, see which ones fit the spray can. Buy a length of the gutter in the appropriate color with the proper hangers to go with it. Back in the garage hang the gutter in various spots to provide convenient storage trays for all the various types of spray cans one accumulates. I also have a small section over the sink to hold soap, sponges, etc. mjb. From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Tue Apr 1 21:46:56 2008 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (Rob) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <002101c89474$33b77f40$6701a8c0@DFN4YV61> How high do you rev. it ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Janzen" To: "Lamp, Randy H" ; "Terry and Cindy" ; Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >I do, and the engine is very smooth. Randy, how was this damper selected? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lamp, Randy H" > To: "Terry and Cindy" ; > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > >>I used a Fluid Damper for a small block Ford, with very little >> modification. >> I think FOT member Scott Janzen still has it on his car. >> >> R. Lamp >> -----Original Message----- >> From: >> fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+rhlamp=babcock.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of >> Terry and >> Cindy >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:10 AM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: >> Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl >> >> I'm on the hunt for s silicone/viscous/fluid >> filled damper for the front >> of >> a TR6 crank. Does anyone have any experiences >> with what can be made to >> fit??. I have a full machine shop, so mods aren't a >> problem. I've tried >> a >> web search and drawn a blank, but I've heard of them >> being used. >> >> Thanks a lot, Terry O'Beirne >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as >> rhlamp at babcock.com >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This message >> is intended only for the individual or entity to which >> it is addressed and >> contains information that is proprietary to The >> Babcock & Wilcox Company >> and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise >> confidential. If the reader of >> this message is not the intended >> recipient, or the employee agent responsible >> for delivering the >> message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified >> that any >> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in >> error, please >> notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and >> delete this message from >> your computer. Thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 19to1tr6 at comcast.net From tr4racing at googlemail.com Tue Apr 1 23:05:52 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:05:52 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg In-Reply-To: References: <001201c8934e$19990510$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><829D4B50-6C1C-44F1-A437-1D771265DD5E@bnj.com><2F6878F79AB147419CBE62AFB5092A00@GEOFFPC><041f01c89312$7e8726a0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> <020901c89425$853c6e10$1b02a8c0@workstation3> <4571A24920E64C63A8E4F12530B75AF1@Mobil> Message-ID: I bet you are. I met a guy at the parking who was from USA, is working at Munich and has rent a car to have a go on the track. He said it was his childhood dream to drive on the Ring. BTW.....at lap two I thought a kink at Kesselchen can be done at full throttle but I didn't had my winter tires on the bill....so I left the track with the right wheels, drifting on 4 wheels out of that kink at 130 mph. My first thought was: This ride will have a sudden end. But the 911, with a little aid of me, did manage to get back on the tarmack and ended up the lap as it should. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "MadMarx" Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weired way to Hamburg > Hi, > > I'm jeolous. Or is it envious. > > The 'Ring. > > Someday. > > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent > Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! > Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Apr 2 06:12:47 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:12:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Light weight pushrods? Message-ID: Smith Brothers, Bend Oregon. Pushrods.com. No point in looking elsewhere... **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From srcypher at mac.com Wed Apr 2 07:17:58 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:17:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize & store all my chemicals and consumables.... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher From rhlamp at babcock.com Wed Apr 2 07:34:51 2008 From: rhlamp at babcock.com (Lamp, Randy H) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 09:34:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl In-Reply-To: References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net> <001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3853E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Scott, The manufacturer was Fluidampr and I purchased it from Summit Racing in Akron Ohio. You might want to contact them, Fluidampr, direct to get the details worked out and then order from one of the big suppliers. With all the import stuff these days ,they might have something that would adapt to the Spitfire crank. I was surprised at how little had to be done to the small block Ford damper to make it fit the six cylinder Triumph crank shaft. You can e-mail them at support at fluidampr.com or call them at 716 592-100. Summit racings phone number is 800230-3030. Good luck, Randy ________________________________ From: Scott Cypher [mailto:srcypher at mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:22 PM To: Lamp, Randy H Cc: Scott Janzen; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a 1500 4cyl? Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on the vendor you refer to below, so I can contact them.... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher Shipwright's Disease. Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a british car. Then it can never be cured. On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: Scott, If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size and the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. R. Lamp ----------------------------------------- This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and contains information that is proprietary to The Babcock & Wilcox Company and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise confidential. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message from your computer. Thank you. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Apr 2 08:12:13 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl References: <20080401091025.JFNY21882.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D38402@barbpo3.bwes.net><001e01c89411$25c4aba0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3845E@barbpo3.bwes.net> <3F8FF44C413A3A43880E522C56BA4421D3853E@barbpo3.bwes.net> Message-ID: <003201c894cb$8d94f2c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have the mfrs drawings for the damper which I could fax to whoever wants it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lamp, Randy H" To: "Scott Cypher" Cc: "Scott Janzen" ; ; "Terry and Cindy" Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > Scott, > > > > The manufacturer was Fluidampr and I purchased it from Summit > Racing in > Akron Ohio. You might want to contact them, Fluidampr, direct to > get > the details worked out and then order from one of the big suppliers. > With all the import stuff these days ,they might have something that > would > adapt to the Spitfire crank. I was surprised at how little had to > be done to > the small block Ford damper to make it fit the six cylinder > Triumph crank > shaft. You can e-mail them at support at fluidampr.com or > call them at 716 > 592-100. Summit racings phone number is 800230-3030. > > > > Good luck, > Randy > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Scott Cypher > [mailto:srcypher at mac.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 6:22 PM > To: Lamp, > Randy H > Cc: Scott Janzen; Terry and Cindy; fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: > [Fot] crank dampers 6 cyl > > > > Does anyone know if one was ever ID'd for a > 1500 4cyl? > > Randy, I'd appreciate contact information, if you have it, on > the vendor > you refer to below, so I can contact them.... > > > > Thanks > -Scott Cypher > > spitfireracer at xsmail.com > > SCCA #57 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 > Reading, PA > > http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > > > Shipwright's Disease. > Its a nasty affliction, particularly when owns a > british car. Then it can > never be cured. > > > > On Apr 1, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Lamp, Randy H wrote: > Scott, > > If I remember correctly ,I talked to the folks who made them and we > decided on the one for the small block Ford based on its physical size > > and > the diameter of the Triumph six cylinder crankshaft where the damper > mounts. I thought it worked very well and will do it again on my current > GT6 ,even if I only drive it on the street and run a few track events. > R. Lamp > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > This > message is intended only for the individual or entity to which > it is addressed > and contains information that is proprietary to The > Babcock & Wilcox Company > and/or its affiliates, or may be otherwise > confidential. If the reader of > this message is not the intended > recipient, or the employee agent responsible > for delivering the > message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please > notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and > delete this message from > your computer. Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Apr 2 08:50:23 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:50:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 04/01/2008 9:38:02 PM Central Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: > Another tip that may be useful. Go to your local hardware home improvement > store. Head to the paint section, grab a can of spray paint, any color, > any brand, > whatever. Take this can to the roofing section with the shingles, > tarpaper and > gutters. Check out the various types of plastic gutters, see which ones fit > the spray can. Buy a length of the gutter in the appropriate color with the > proper hangers to go with it. > Amici... I like that, and using one for above the sink, as well. Last night in the shop this thread was running through my mind, especially the eventual shortage of space (regardless), and how 'stuff multiplies' in direct proportion to the space available. One shelf particularly loaded was my 'racing trophy' shelf. NO...not the tin cup type. I don't have many of those. But rather, after thirty years of racing, the broken clutch plates, trashed gears, broken rotors, frozen throw out bearings, broken suspension parts, and on and on. Each one with a special memory. A couple of them ought to be wrapped in soiled nomex. They could have been. That shelf is nearly full. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Apr 2 14:43:36 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 16:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Kelvin Doldt (?) Moss Motors Message-ID: <001101c89502$3969fe20$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Sorry to bomb the list. Kelvin from Moss Motors would you please contact me off list. Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (5.5.0.178) Database version: 5.09530 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Apr 2 14:54:10 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 20:54:10 GMT Subject: [Fot] jacking Message-ID: <20080402.165410.28814.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> I have a 110volt lift in my garage that I will need to sell in the next year or so, if any one is interested. It is in central Connecticut. The garage at the house that I plan to move to next year is not high enough for this lift. The lift needs about 12 feet overhead clearance to get a car up all the way. Joe(B) -- dick ross wrote: Check in the Car Shoppers found in restaurants. There are many of them. Some of them are even 120 volt powered. On Apr 1, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Fred & Mary Hodgson wrote: > Check with some of the garage equipment suppliers. There are lifts > used in > tire stores that are made to go waist high for tire/wheel servicing. > Probably > just what you're looking for & not terribly expensive compared to a > regular > service lift. > > Fred Hodgson > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as niteseeker at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Be your own boss today! Go to Technical School. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqYKPwmbtI2bPjJpTWY3bz7Tc drEPuhgVwhM1QoliQpaGMuC2/ From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Apr 2 15:47:01 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:47:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35621CC204E14629A0296015D07B6DC6@SohlPC> Ken wrote: > I am soliciting design ideas. My requirements are modest. It needs to be > a > 4 seasons building (i.e. have heat!) Depending on the length of your heating season, the addition of heating costs can get expensive. I have a detached garage that I don't have any permanent heating system, but I can usually have several days in the months of Jan and Feb that are OK with a propane space heating unit. I'm located in northwestern part of New Jersey. > be tall enough for a lift, You'll be very happy with the height (mines 12 ft from floor to lower rafter) even if you never get a lift. Consider also a taller than usual garage door. Mine has a single door that is 16' wide and 10' high. Good hight also allows higher shelving units. The upper shelves may be a bit of a pain to use, but keep them for items only needed occasionally and it is fine. > be permissible within the local historic district zoning ordinance Check very carefully with the concstruction and zoning office in your town. In some places, historic distric properties have severe restrictions on what can be done. Try to cultivate a friendly relationship with the township officials. I had to apply for 3 variances when putting forth my plans. The variance application process usually takes several months. > Charlie (SWMBO) says it has to be pretty. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Cheers, Bill Sohl From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 13:43:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 15:43:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheel Manufacturing-Progress Report Message-ID: FoT, Being around manufacturing for over 40 years promotes a casual attitude when the parts are for tractors. Especially somebody else's tractors. The attitude changes when the chips are flying for a car, particularly when it's your car. Today, I caught the new TR3/TR4 steel flywheels Work In Process on the production floor. Even with the sophistication of CNC machining there are several operations that are required. The basic turning operations are done. A milling operation for removing material (out where it counts most) is in process today. By next week the drill and tap operations should be complete and ready for final inspection. Shipping should follow shortly. (BTW, With a little nudging from Dean Tetterton, we got the big chamfer in the center of the flywheel for ease of transmission assembly...this feature has been missing on some other steel flywheels and I had not noticed) Special thanks to our 'Engineering Department'....Sean Alexander. He saved us several hundred dollars in the avoidance of outsourced engineering costs. Now I can take that Lightened OEM flywheel out of the AMBRO project and give the AMBRO what it deserves. Debut this year? Joe A From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 15:33:26 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:33:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's the Tour de Marque Friday schedule extracted from the full festival schedule for Friday which can be found at www.grandprixfestival.com/schedule.html (the schedule would suggest the tour originates at Wings of Eagles) 9:00 am - Tour de Marque (TDM) arrives at the Wings of Eagles Museum 10:45 am - TDM leaves Wings of Eagles 11:15 am - TDM arrives at WGI racetrack for brunch 12:15 pm - TDM stages WGI racetrack laps 12:30 pm - TDM takes 2 laps of WGI racetrack 1:00 pm - TDM departs WGI for laps of original street course 1:10 pm - TDM makes 2 laps of original street course 2:00 pm - TDM cars parked for display at Lafayette Park (end of TDM specific activities) 3:00 pm - Legends Speak at Lafeyette Park (this includes FOT folks as I understand) Cheers, Bill & Linda Sohl - 1961 TR-3A Signal Red, original condition ----- Original Message ----- From: John Herrera To: Bill Sohl ; FOT Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:07 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. > I'm registered for the Tour de Marque. Will drive The Blue TR3. > > Wings of Eagles isn't part of Tour de Marque is it? Seems like that would take > all day by itself. I stand corrected. Wings of Eagles IS part of the Tour de Marque. But is it on the Friday? I don't see how there would be time for all the activities. Maybe not everyone goes through aviation museums as slowly as I do. John H. From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 3 15:35:23 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:35:23 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: <20080403.173523.22218.2@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 or TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor on Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy sale, if you are interested. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on business schools, $150K/ year potential. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV525FP63L78ncUE4Rag0xks Yo67V6WaSl3Ha0YUNXw9z514/ From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Apr 3 15:49:21 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:49:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2008 3:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: > Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 or > TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor on > Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy > sale, > if you are interested. Joe... I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Apr 3 15:50:01 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:50:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: While not the FOT focus race for 2007, the VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR, on April 18-20, is shaping up to be the event of the season for eastern TR pilots. We have confirmed that Mike Jackson and Jeff Snook will take their TR3s to the 3.3 mile raceway in a rematch of their 1-2 class finish at Sebring last month. Rumor has it that Randy Williams may also be there, creating what may well be the only time you will see those three able pilots, and crews, contest positions on the podium. Now's your chance to be a part of this fabulous event that boasts 4.5 hours of track time at one of the most challenging, and scenic, tracks in the country. As a bonus, TR-Pilots will vie for the coveted Martha McDougal Trophy and be forever known as a CHAMPION of the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Topping off the weekend's racing, and in addition to the Saturday banquet, will be the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "Chill and Grill" where those of a Triumph-persuasion will enjoy the finest fish-fry known to man, or woman, and the company of their fellow TR/Spifire racers. If you have not yet entered, do so now so that you don't miss this exciting weekend. The VDCA entry form is at _http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf) . The fee goes up on 4/8/08 so get crackin'! Dean Tetterton, Done Marshall, Leo Oddi and Rob Deanes - Your Hosts at the Triumph Ghetto **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From billsohl at optonline.net Thu Apr 3 15:51:46 2008 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <233F142B6ED348F3B42C012C19BDB35C@SohlPC> I thought it was SLOW and STOP As soon as I saw Joe's email I knew where this discussion was going... :-) Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > In a message dated 04/03/2008 3:38:42 PM Central Standard Time, > jaboruch at netzero.net writes: > > >> Any one happen to have a Lucas 2-speed windshield wiper switch for a TR3 >> or >> TR4 that they would like to sell? I recently sold a 2-speed wiper motor >> on >> Ebay and the buyer is looking for a 2-speed switch. It would be an easy >> sale, >> if you are interested. > > Joe... > > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billsohl at optonline.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 15:55:38 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:55:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Street Triumph activity for Friday WGI Vintage Race weekend. Message-ID: Names have been submitted to the Village but not published yet. All are current or former FOT. Joe A Planning tends to be a moving target....and a bit stressful at times. > 3:00 pm - Legends Speak at Lafeyette Park (this includes FOT folks as I > understand) > > From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 3 16:07:01 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:07:01 EDT Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: Leo, For me, this year, no Easter Weekend to deal with and no weddings to go to, but now I have managed to over extend myself with various projects. Maybe next year. Between this event and Henry's event at BeaveRun, it is a great year for the Right Coast Triumphs. Joe A From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Apr 3 16:45:56 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. Sorry, I had to say it... Terry Stetler From Billb at bnj.com Thu Apr 3 18:57:01 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:57:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the windscreen gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty years ago, except it worked the other way around. On Apr 3, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BillDentin at aol.com > > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two > position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > HEHE! > > In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. > > Sorry, I had to say it... > > > Terry Stetler > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From tr6racer21 at earthlink.net Thu Apr 3 20:05:37 2008 From: tr6racer21 at earthlink.net (U K MOTORSPORTS) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 21:05:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? Message-ID: <380-220084542537114@earthlink.net> Good evening Leo, I am still planning on joining you all in the ghetto, as you know the TR6 isn't ready yet and I have had a major setback and may not be fit to drive...I was down at VIR this past weekend picking up the 510 and assorted parts and ran into some bad luck or rather it ran into me. Early Friday morning I was running Rex down in the very bottom of Hog Pen and all 85lbs of him ran directly into my right knee. Thats right taken out by mans best friend! He was running full speed, probably at least 35 or more and obviously misjudged me as I was just standing still. So my right knee, the knee that I have had 11 surgeries on collapsed and buckled and left me down on the ground with no one in sight. When the pain subsided I was able to limp back to the trailer and drive the 3 hours or so back home and get some ice on it. As it turns out I saw my Orthopedist on Tuesday and I have torn (2) ligaments, the MCL and my ACL (which was reconstructed years ago). Looks as though surgery is imminent as soon as the swelling and trauma calms down. Still hoping that will happen before next weekend. I am keeping my fingers crossed. PS: Dean is working feverishly getting that last minute "KILLER MOTOR" together for the TR3...I think he might just make it! > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 4/3/2008 4:50:22 PM > Subject: [Fot] VDCA at VIR - THE race of the year? > > While not the FOT focus race for 2007, the VDCA Wild Hare Run at VIR, on > April 18-20, is shaping up to be the event of the season for eastern TR pilots. > We have confirmed that Mike Jackson and Jeff Snook will take their TR3s to > the 3.3 mile raceway in a rematch of their 1-2 class finish at Sebring last > month. > > Rumor has it that Randy Williams may also be there, creating what may well > be the only time you will see those three able pilots, and crews, contest > positions on the podium. > > Now's your chance to be a part of this fabulous event that boasts 4.5 hours > of track time at one of the most challenging, and scenic, tracks in the > country. As a bonus, TR-Pilots will vie for the coveted Martha McDougal Trophy and > be forever known as a CHAMPION of the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. Topping off the > weekend's racing, and in addition to the Saturday banquet, will be the > F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "Chill and Grill" where those of a Triumph-persuasion will > enjoy the finest fish-fry known to man, or woman, and the company of their fellow > TR/Spifire racers. > > If you have not yet entered, do so now so that you don't miss this exciting > weekend. The VDCA entry form is at > _http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/Entry%20VIR08.pdf) . The fee goes up on > 4/8/08 so get crackin'! > > > Dean Tetterton, Done Marshall, Leo Oddi and Rob Deanes - Your Hosts at the > Triumph Ghetto > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr6racer21 at earthlink.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1356 - Release Date: 4/2/2008 4:14 PM From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Apr 3 20:15:47 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:15:47 GMT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: <20080403.221547.1668.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Well the wiper motor is NOS from 1959. It may very well be slow and stop for its 2 speeds. Time will tell. Joe(B) -- "Terry Stetler" wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. Bill (Damdinger) HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. Sorry, I had to say it... Terry Stetler _____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV8qvwjDYXcwkCdqs5c35NZ2 la7HpptgmkxBmHGkRrd1vwOz/ From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Fri Apr 4 05:11:39 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: <20080403.221547.1668.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <001401c89644$a85b5700$6601a8c0@LoriPC> On a serious note . . . I have heard of using the TR3 light switch with a TR4A wiper motor to get the "two speed" wipers on an earlier car. Never tried it myself though. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > Well the wiper motor is NOS from 1959. It may very well be slow and stop > for > its 2 speeds. Time will tell. Joe(B) > > -- "Terry Stetler" wrote: > /> ----- > Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com > I don't think that is two speed. Rather, I think it is a two position > switch...INTERMITTENT and OFF. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > HEHE! In a lighting application substitute "flicker" for intermittent. > Sorry, > I had to say it... Terry Stetler > _____________________________________________________________ > Fast Computer Training. Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/REAK6ZqV8qvwjDYXcwkCdqs5c35NZ2 > la7HpptgmkxBmHGkRrd1vwOz/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 4 08:00:43 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:00:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch Message-ID: In a message dated 04/03/2008 6:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, Billb at bnj.com writes: > Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain > detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the windscreen > gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty years > ago, except it worked the other way around. Amici... The current (May) issue of Triumph World has an interesting article by Paul Richardson telling about Jack Bough, who apparently was with Lucas in general, and their competition department in particular for many, many years. He often had occasion to work with Paul's dad Ken (with Triumph and the V16 BRM). The article suggests the title 'Prince of Darkness' was originally assigned to Bough and other Lucas reps the result of a clitch in the mid-1950s involving Triumph Speed Twin and Bonneville motorcycles. Paul says because a myriad of electrical add ons were coming into vogue at the time, Lucas designed a pancake alternator whereby the winding housing was bolted to the chaincase and the magnetic rotor was bolted to the end of the crankshaft (running at engine speed). It worked fine in England and Europe, where there were relatively few long straight roads, but not here in the USA on our long interstate highways. Over here headlight bulbs would consistently blow because of excessive voltage. There was no immediate cure, and bikers here were taping flashlights to the handlebars. Hence the 'Prince of Darkness' moniker for our friends at Lucas. Nobody enjoys a joke more than I do, and Prince of Darkness and other Lucas humor can be a lot of fun. But I can remember being at more than one Triumph event where a Lucas representative was a guest speaker, and the 'fun' got out of hand. We were not kind to our guests. Lucas has, in fact, been on the cutting edge with many new electrical ideas, particularly in aircraft and space efforts. It's been my experience that if you can just keep the smoke inside the wires, everything works fine. Bill Dentinger ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Apr 4 10:25:53 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:25:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> Message-ID: <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I put a lift in my shop when I built it 5 years ago. Also wouldn't be without it, nor would my son and partner who has a lot younger knees and back than I do! One thing I would do differently is to put in a lift with a wider spread between the posts. I can fit all cars and trucks that meet the weight limit of the lift (I think it's 6000 lbs.) but on some cars without frames (meaning anything other than the Triumphs) it is difficult sometimes to get the arms on the lift points of the vehicle because the arms are shorter with the posts together and therefore have less adjustment. On almost all cars except the Triumph I have to pretty well center the car, I mean within an inch or so, to get the arms and pads under the lift points. Can be done, but sort of a PITA. We have marked spots on the floor to align all of Ryan's and my cars to make it easier to "spot" them. I bought the lift based on weight and did not consider distance between the posts at the time. The ones with a wide spread like you see in a dealership or commercial shop will probably cost about 50% more unless you can find a good deal. The ones with the wider spread usually have a higher weight rating, hence the higher cost. Even my 1997 BMW 3 Series, not a big car, is a problem getting the lift pads to line up on the cars lift points, just because where they are located on that car. To me any lift is better than no lift!! My 2 cents worth. Tim Murphy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" ; Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, > depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon > cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize > & store all my chemicals and consumables.... > > Thanks > -S > > Scott Cypher > SCCA #562573 > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 4 11:34:34 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:34:34 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch In-Reply-To: <001401c89644$a85b5700$6601a8c0@LoriPC> Message-ID: <20080404163424.OQZI21903.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > I have heard of using the TR3 light switch with a TR4A wiper > motor to get the "two speed" wipers on an earlier car. Never > tried it myself though. I believe it depends on which motor you have. That would work with the later 3-wire motors (TR4A as you say), but not I think with the earlier ones (5 or 6 wires). My own 2-speed wiper project is derailed at the moment, but I'm hoping I can extract the relevant information from http://www.kda132.com/Technical/SectionM/wiperswitch/wiperswitch.html Written for more expensive cars, but the motors should be the same. Randall From timmurph at fastbytes.com Fri Apr 4 10:44:38 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 11:44:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch References: Message-ID: <009101c89673$2ccbac50$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Having worked with both hydraulic and electric servo motors on machine tools I can tell you that when the electrons and smoke leak out of the wires they make a hell of a lot less mess than when a 2000 PSI hydraulic line breaks (especially if it is a vertical line and the break is pointed up! Guess how I know that.). Although when the 440 Volt input power to the electrics short, it is impressive as hell. Tim Murph ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Lucas 2-speed windscreen wiper switch > In a message dated 04/03/2008 6:57:23 PM Central Standard Time, > Billb at bnj.com > writes: > > >> Lucas was way ahead of their time in electronics. Diane's car has a rain >> detection system that automatically turns the wipers on when the >> windscreen >> gets wet, and turns them off when it's dry. Lucas had this at least forty >> years >> ago, except it worked the other way around. > > Amici... > > The current (May) issue of Triumph World has an interesting article by > Paul > Richardson telling about Jack Bough, who apparently was with Lucas in > general, > and their competition department in particular for many, many years. He > often > had occasion to work with Paul's dad Ken (with Triumph and the V16 BRM). > The > article suggests the title 'Prince of Darkness' was originally assigned to > Bough and other Lucas reps the result of a clitch in the mid-1950s > involving > Triumph Speed Twin and Bonneville motorcycles. Paul says because a myriad > of > electrical add ons were coming into vogue at the time, Lucas designed a > pancake > alternator whereby the winding housing was bolted to the chaincase and the > magnetic rotor was bolted to the end of the crankshaft (running at engine > speed). > It worked fine in England and Europe, where there were relatively few long > straight roads, but not here in the USA on our long interstate highways. > Over > here headlight bulbs would consistently blow because of excessive voltage. > There was no immediate cure, and bikers here were taping flashlights to > the > handlebars. Hence the 'Prince of Darkness' moniker for our friends at > Lucas. > > Nobody enjoys a joke more than I do, and Prince of Darkness and other > Lucas > humor can be a lot of fun. But I can remember being at more than one > Triumph > event where a Lucas representative was a guest speaker, and the 'fun' got > out > of hand. We were not kind to our guests. Lucas has, in fact, been on the > cutting edge with many new electrical ideas, particularly in aircraft and > space > efforts. > > It's been my experience that if you can just keep the smoke inside the > wires, > everything works fine. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************** > Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > > > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com From bownes at seiri.com Fri Apr 4 11:01:56 2008 From: bownes at seiri.com (robert bownes) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:01:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <000101c8945b$96b22050$060ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> <47F3000A.60309@bradakis.com> <5C18A223-5D48-46E4-A7A3-5D4DB58FDF60@mac.com> <001601c89670$8e3e4bd0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: Just a heads up... I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car dealers. Turns out they replace them every few years and the old ones are ... thrown out or sold for scrap. Mine was free, save for the $100 of anchors I needed to fasten it to the floor, the wire to power it, and a can of hydraulic fluid. It's not perfect (It had a "FORD SERVICE" decal stuck on it) but it is pretty darn close. Keep an eye out for the local guys who install 'em. Might be able to pick one up for a reasonable sum. But do have enough concrete in your floor to mount it! iii On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > I put a lift in my shop when I built it 5 years ago. Also wouldn't be > without it, nor would my son and partner who has a lot younger knees and > back than I do! One thing I would do differently is to put in a lift with > a > wider spread between the posts. I can fit all cars and trucks that meet > the > weight limit of the lift (I think it's 6000 lbs.) but on some cars without > frames (meaning anything other than the Triumphs) it is difficult > sometimes > to get the arms on the lift points of the vehicle because the arms are > shorter with the posts together and therefore have less adjustment. On > almost all cars except the Triumph I have to pretty well center the car, I > mean within an inch or so, to get the arms and pads under the lift points. > Can be done, but sort of a PITA. We have marked spots on the floor to > align > all of Ryan's and my cars to make it easier to "spot" them. I bought the > lift based on weight and did not consider distance between the posts at > the > time. The ones with a wide spread like you see in a dealership or > commercial shop will probably cost about 50% more unless you can find a > good > deal. The ones with the wider spread usually have a higher weight rating, > hence the higher cost. Even my 1997 BMW 3 Series, not a big car, is a > problem getting the lift pads to line up on the cars lift points, just > because where they are located on that car. To me any lift is better than > no lift!! > > My 2 cents worth. > > Tim Murphy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)" > To: "Mark J Bradakis" > Cc: "Friends of Triumph" ; > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > > > Cabinets: the 3 door harbor freight metal cabinets ($35-65 ea, > > depending on sale/coupons) are exactly the right depth for 1 gallon > > cans; whether square or round. I have 2 walls worth where I organize > > & store all my chemicals and consumables.... > > > > Thanks > > -S > > > > Scott Cypher > > SCCA #562573 > > HP Spitfire 1500 #57 > > Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as timmurph at fastbytes.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as bownes at web9.com From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Apr 4 11:52:04 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FEEB@server.Triumph.local> I got my two post lift in a similar fashion, but it cost me a couple hundred. A very busy repair shop replaces two lifts a year, and sells his old ones. Cheaper to replace before they give trouble than have them go down and lose productivity. Only problem with this approach is you will probably be looking at 3 phase lifts. I found a very affordable solid state inverter and all is good. If I had to do it again, I would probably get a 4 poster though. While the 2 post has it's merits, lots of times I just want to work on something quick and easy and picking the car up would be great. But lining a car up under my two poster and getting everything aligned just right is a pain. Just being able to drive up on the ramps of a 4 post lift and raise the car would be nice. I am sure those belly pans on new cars are important, but dealing with them for oil changes is a drag. Because the 2 post lift is a hassle, I never use it for oil changes on our daily drivers. It's quicker to get it done on my back under the car than messing with the lift. Yeah, I know, a four post lift takes up LOTS more floor space... > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bownes > Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal > > Just a heads up... > > I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses > > My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car > dealers. Turns out they replace them every few years and the > old ones are ... thrown out or sold for scrap. From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Apr 4 11:58:55 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 13:58:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal Message-ID: In a message dated 04/04/2008 11:02:45 AM Central Standard Time, bownes at seiri.com writes: > Just a heads up... > > I got my lift from a source that bears some investigation for our uses > > My F-I-L worked for a company that installed lifts at car dealers. Turns out > they replace them every few years and the old ones are ... thrown out or > sold for scrap. > Investigation might be a good word choice. My first question would be why are these lifts being replaced and discarded every few years. Is there a fatigue factor to be aware of? The lift we bought new quite a few years ago is an Autolifters 9000C. It's rated capacity is 9,000 pounds, and we are quite satisfied with it. While it's a post jack lift, we've not had the problem Tim Murphy describes...getting the pickup points to accommodate unit body vehicles. Our pickup arms extend pretty well (so far). We've had our Chevy One Ton van on the hoist several times, and that's one lotta van. We often use 'C Clamps' as a precautionary mechanical tie to help discourage any tipping. The only issue we've had is sometimes the pickup points are not low enough to get under some cars (the Thunder Bolt in particular). We have to lift one end a little when slipping the arms under. We designed some alternative pick up points, and tried to get Autolifters to make them for us, but they wanted no part of making ANY alterations to their hoist. I am sure what we had designed would have been just fine, and in fact we sure could have fabricated it ourselves, but to date we've not gotten around to it. Bill Dentinger ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 4 17:53:05 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 16:53:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? Message-ID: You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the crankshaft? On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the clutch? ~Steve From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Fri Apr 4 18:22:05 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:22:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: Message-ID: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your other thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can see oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in this location! Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" To: "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > crankshaft? > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > clutch? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Apr 4 18:29:27 2008 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:29:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002801c896b4$1b760c20$6a5636cc@jdnet.deere.com> > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > crankshaft? > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? Mine have all been that way too, AFAIK it's correct. > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > clutch? I doubt it's necessary with current supply, but I still soak mine in engine oil overnight. Back before Oilite was invented, I believe they used simply sintered bronze, which needed to be soaked. But I believe today it's supplied already oiled. Still, can't hurt to soak it some more IMO. Dry it with a paper towel or similar before installing, you don't want oil dripping off the outside. Randall From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Fri Apr 4 18:32:15 2008 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steven Belfer) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 17:32:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? In-Reply-To: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <55BCFA5A-956B-47E9-AC31-B872BA22A8CD@earthlink.net> Sounds good. This is one of those interesting things that doesn't appear in the books, it's part of the brain-trust :) Thanks guys. ~Steve On Apr 4, 2008, at 5:22 PM, Greg Solow wrote: > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours > or putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills > covers the bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. > Then put your other thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs > together until you can see oil come out through the pores on the > outside of the bushing. This will ensure that the pores withing the > bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the bushing and the input > shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it into the > crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in > this location! > Greg > Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Belfer" > > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > >> You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the >> crankshaft? >> On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? >> >> Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the >> clutch? >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 5 10:52:31 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 18:52:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> why no grease? I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or > putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the > bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your other > thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can see > oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will > ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep the > bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide it > into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used in > this location! > > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Belfer" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > > crankshaft? > > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > > clutch? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Sat Apr 5 11:58:49 2008 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:58:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2> <00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <001b01c89746$b60c1850$0300000a@oemcomputer> Grease could have a tendency to come out and get on the clutch disc. It may also have a tendency to plug the pores of the oilite bushing. This is just a guess. I try to follow what the designing engineers appear to have done. If there is not an obvious fault in their design. For the most part, the TR engineers seem to have done a good job with what they did. By using an Oilite bush in the pilot bushing location, it is clear that they intended a very small amount of "oil" to be the lubricant used there. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "MadMarx" To: "Greg Solow" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? why no grease? I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be > impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or > putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the > bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your > other > thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can > see > oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will > ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep > the > bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide > it > into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used > in > this location! > > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Belfer" > To: "FOT" > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM > Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the > > crankshaft? > > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? > > > > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the > > clutch? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 5 14:57:57 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap Message-ID: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> This is for a TR-4... I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a problem. Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) Thanks, Tony Drews From tr4racing at googlemail.com Sat Apr 5 15:07:32 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:07:32 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> Be careful with that. Better more gap then less. I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. The larger the bore, the more gap you need. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > This is for a TR-4... > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a problem. > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > Thanks, > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 5 15:30:39 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:30:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap In-Reply-To: <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> <003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. - Tony At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >Be careful with that. >Better more gap then less. >I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >The larger the bore, the more gap you need. > >Cheers >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > > > > This is for a TR-4... > > > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to > be a problem. > > > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > > > Thanks, > > Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From fubog1 at aol.com Sat Apr 5 16:16:20 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:16:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap In-Reply-To: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> References: <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8CA6581CF1C78B4-E8C-1B85@Webmail-mg16.sim.aol.com> Tony .008 on the top ring isn't enough. You want around .014 to be safe. The second ring can be a bit tighter, .011 is good. HTH Glen -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews To: MadMarx ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston ring end gap Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. - Tony At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >Be careful with that. >Better more gap then less. >I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >The larger the bore, the more gap you need. > >Cheers >Chris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tony Drews" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > > > > This is for a TR-4... > > > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to > be a problem. > > > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > > > Thanks, > > Tony Drews > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 5 21:59:16 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 20:59:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? References: <003201c896b3$146b0710$6401a8c0@TER2><00a701c8973d$72506610$6402a8c0@HOME> <001b01c89746$b60c1850$0300000a@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002e01c8979a$95d9dd20$d214c548@RW> Always being out of time with too many cars to service (rebuild) I used to just put the torch to the bushing, warm it really good then drop it into a dish of oil. Never had a problem in this area. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > Grease could have a tendency to come out and get on the clutch disc. It > may > also have a tendency to plug the pores of the oilite bushing. This is just > a > guess. I try to follow what the designing engineers appear to have done. > If > there is not an obvious fault in their design. For the most part, the TR > engineers seem to have done a good job with what they did. By using an > Oilite bush in the pilot bushing location, it is clear that they intended > a > very small amount of "oil" to be the lubricant used there. > Greg Solow > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MadMarx" > To: "Greg Solow" ; > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > > why no grease? > I have used grease since and never had any trouble....so why no grease? > > Cheers > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Greg Solow" > To: "Steven Belfer" ; "FOT" > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:22 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? > > >> The pilot bushing is captured in place by the flywheel. It should be >> impregnated with 10 sae motor oil by soaking it in oil for 24 hours or >> putting the bushing on top of one thumb so your thumb fills covers the >> bottom of the center hole. Then fill the hole with oil. Then put your >> other >> thumb on top of the hole and squeeze both thumbs together until you can >> see >> oil come out through the pores on the outside of the bushing. This will >> ensure that the pores withing the bushing have a resevoir of oil to keep >> the >> bushing and the input shaft lubricated. wipe off the excess oil and slide >> it >> into the crankshaft, Then install the flywheel. Grease should not be used >> in >> this location! >> >> Greg Solow >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steven Belfer" >> To: "FOT" >> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:53 PM >> Subject: [Fot] Crank end Bush grease or no grease? >> >> >> > You know that little brash bush that sits in the back end of the >> > crankshaft? >> > On my TR3 it sits in there nicely, it's not tight but turn freely? >> > >> > Does it get a dab of grease or oil? or could that possibly foul the >> > clutch? >> > >> > ~Steve >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 5 21:59:04 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 23:59:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001101c8979a$8f2b8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Total Seal says (in inches of bore) top ring bore x .0045" second bore x .0035 oil ring min .015 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > This is for a TR-4... > > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to be a > problem. > > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? > > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) > > Thanks, > Tony Drews > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sat Apr 5 22:06:35 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 21:06:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap References: <20080405215729.E6459187645@autox.team.net><003101c89761$120e5450$6402a8c0@HOME> <20080405223007.264B6187645@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <005901c8979b$9afc2500$d214c548@RW> I cannot remember NOT having to file the ring gap on an 87 MM engine. ) Nothing like a nice little 6" mill file for this job although they do make a little machine to make certain the ends are square. So they are not square??? Plenty of gap and make sure the gaps don't line up....and forget it. If not enough, they will sure as h--- break and it is good bye compression and hello blowby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "MadMarx" ; Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Piston ring end gap > Thanks. I should mention that this is for an 87 mm motor. > > - Tony > > At 04:07 PM 4/5/2008, MadMarx wrote: >>Be careful with that. >>Better more gap then less. >>I run something around 0.016 and have no blow by. >>The larger the bore, the more gap you need. >> >>Cheers >>Chris >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Tony Drews" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 10:57 PM >>Subject: [Fot] Piston ring end gap >> >> >> > This is for a TR-4... >> > >> > I'm in the process of installing pistons and rings. I ended up with >> > new liners this time around, and as a result, I actually have to FILE >> > the rings to get the proper end gap. The instructions recommend >> > 0.008" to 0.014" end gap. My inclination is to go for 0.008, but it >> > occurs to me that they may expand enough due to heat for that to >> be a problem. >> > >> > Has anyone had problems with broken rings with an 0.008" end gap? >> > >> > (Jack is out of town or I'd ask him...) >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Tony Drews >> > _______________________________________________ >> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > >> > Fot mailing list >> > Fot at autox.team.net >> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > >> > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 6 23:09:22 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:09:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <000801c8986d$8dc16c60$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello...I am testing my email..I have not received any messages today..Will appreciate a response Thanks Racer Bud spitfire #21 From REK46 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 03:57:26 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:57:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: must be working ************** Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 08:10:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:10:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: FOT Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and his TR4 used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit more than that from time to time. He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it to it's former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it with..............he will be at The Glen, of course. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------- Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for celebration. Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the very least, I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR Hospitality Tent to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the New Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, complete with darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that will step up and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of Historic Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th Anniversary....the Brits are coming back for that one. Thanks, Joe Alexander From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 08:38:00 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:38:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen FOT Poster...The VTR Steps Up Message-ID: FOT, At Mid-Ohio, Kent Howard put together a very nice 11.5 X 17 Poster with a collage of Historic Triumphs. Somebody organized a DRIVER SIGNING, along with Kas' autograph. This is a nice size for framing...so I did, proudly. Watkins Glen begs for this feature. VTR has stepped up to the plate. The plan is to assemble another collage of Historic Triumphs. Hopefully featuring the actual cars in attendance at the Glen. Firefly Studios of Detroit Michigan, is organizing the design of the poster....Blake Discher may be asking for some picture submittals. The intention is to make these available to Vintage Triumph Members and Driver/Entrants. Some will be sold at a modest price to recover expenses of production. We will likely do what we did at Mid-Ohio....place the posters on a table set aside for the DRIVERS, so that everyone can stop by during the weekend and put your autograph on about 40 posters or more. Kas has volunteered to do so. We may have a few special guests do this, as well. Several names come to mind. (Write small!) It becomes a real keeper. I think one of the ISOA guys has volunteered to do the printing....on a very nice stock. (ISOA tends to be at the center of things...so does WPTA) I hope to meet with Firefly Studios in Detroit this week to discuss that project and perhaps another one we are working on. And so it goes..... Joe Alexander Oh ya: If you need some special photography done or your Corporate Annual Report, check out http://www.fireflystudios.com/ From herald948 at aol.com Mon Apr 7 09:26:44 2008 From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew Mace) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA66DAEBECE01F-CD4-1E7C@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for celebration. Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. ==AM== Of course, if we could find some willing benefactor to sponsor shipping TS2 over for the weekend, that would be WAY COOL! (Probably too much to ask of that benefactor to get the Le Mans and Macao Spitfires over here from Canley Classics as well....) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant for The Vintage Triumph Register Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 09:49:41 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 08:49:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] test References: <186320.23277.qm@web81105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003e01c898c6$ff051990$0202a8c0@Bud> thanks Gang Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: tom strange To: RACER BUD Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] test got your request ... hope you get this ... RACER BUD wrote: Hello...I am testing my email..I have not received any messages today..Will appreciate a response Thanks Racer Bud spitfire #21 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From koblinger at verizon.net Mon Apr 7 10:18:14 2008 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 11:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: <529928.1773101207585094857.JavaMail.root@vms246.mailsrvcs.net> I've done some group photos before. Lots to consider. You need a good sized space, good light, background and a ladder or lift. Oh ya, and a bullhorn helps! And planning, planning, planning! It's a lot like herding cats. Here's links to a couple of examples. I didn't set these up myself but got to see how it was done. And when it's done right.. ohh baby! http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1769/porschefamilyed1bv8.jpg http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8392/917familyedks0.jpg I'm planning on going to the Glen, still some arrangements to make. Be happy to help. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Date: 2008/04/07 Mon AM 09:10:47 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs >FOT > >Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and his TR4 >used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit more than that >from time to time. > >He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it to it's >former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it with..............he >will be at The Glen, of course. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >----------------------------------- > >Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be seen this >glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo opportunity.....TR250K, >Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, TR8....the >Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring cars. > >Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that without TS1, >there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for >celebration. > >Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the very least, >I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR Hospitality Tent >to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the New >Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, complete with >darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. > >I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that will step up >and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of Historic >Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th Anniversary....the >Brits are coming back for that one. > >Thanks, > >Joe Alexander >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as koblinger at verizon.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 10:34:19 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:34:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs Message-ID: Kurt, we have done the Panoramic Camera thing a couple of times. With great results. I am not looking at anything that ambitious. All that planning extracts a toll. Even if someone else does the work..... But if we can invite some significant cars to group up and take some pictures, this would be cool. Give this some thought. Volunteers will achieve a higher status in the WPTA Hospitality Tent. Thanks! Regards, Joe Alexander > I've done some group photos before. Lots to consider. You need a good sized > space, good light, background and a ladder or lift. Oh ya, and a bullhorn > helps! And planning, planning, planning! It's a lot like herding cats. > > Here's links to a couple of examples. I didn't set these up myself but got > to see how it was done. And when it's done right.. ohh baby! > > http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1769/porschefamilyed1bv8.jpg > > http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8392/917familyedks0.jpg > > I'm planning on going to the Glen, still some arrangements to make. Be happy > to help. > > Cheers, > Kurt O. > From Billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 7 11:00:19 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:00:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen Photo Op???? Historic Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Diane is a good shooter, I'm sure she'll be glad to do the clicking, not so sure about the organizing. On Apr 7, 2008, at 7:10 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT > > Got a nice call from Dick Stockton.....as you may remember, he and > his TR4 > used to nip at the heels of Kas' cars and Tullius'. Perhaps a bit > more than that > from time to time. > > He got his TR4 back several years ago, and his final step to take it > to it's > former glory was to paint in the BLACK, that he raced it > with..............he > will be at The Glen, of course. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------- > > Dick's TR4 being one of the many cars with provenance that will be > seen this > glorious weekend in September. Sounds like a photo > opportunity.....TR250K, > Ambro, Peyote, Thunderboldt, Peerless. Historical TR3s TR4s, TR6s, > TR8....the > Le Mans TRS...and a TR4 we think is one of the 12 Hours of Sebring > cars. > > Dont forget Triumph TR2 TS1 LO.....my position on this is that > without TS1, > there would not have been a TS2....ergo none of our cars. A cause for > celebration. > > Now all we need is for someone to organize this photo op. At the > very least, > I'd like to provide some additional room around the WPTA/VTR > Hospitality Tent > to display these cars....like on Saturday Night, when it becomes the > New > Coventry Inn with Classic Motorsport's version of an ENGLISH PUB, > complete with > darts and bar. And Beer from Moss. > > I am sure that there is an organization or person out there that > will step up > and volunteer for a photo op. This will be the biggest assemblage of > Historic > Triumphs we have had..............until our 2012 60th > Anniversary....the > Brits are coming back for that one. > > Thanks, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From markvaden at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 11:25:42 2008 From: markvaden at gmail.com (Mark Vaden) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 10:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. TIA, Mark From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 12:08:36 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:08:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR6 Steel Flywheels Message-ID: FoT, It's a little premature because I have not shipped the TR3/4 Flywheels yet. But I could compile a list. I have two folks on the list so far from FOT Inquiries. TR6 Steel Flywheels 4130 Steel Less than 10 lbs 8.5 Clutch Later crank configuration Engineering is done and being verified Cost depends on Volume. Have representive digitals of manufacturing operations. Thanks..send name (only) Name submitted represents an 'interest' not an order. Joe A From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Apr 7 13:32:20 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 13:32:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Preparing for the Targa Tazmania Message-ID: >From the Telegraph in the U.K. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2008/04/05/mftar ga105.xml Kev Lynch RMVR From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 7 13:40:28 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:40:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] "Leading Arm" Anti-Swaybar- Front Message-ID: I have seen two of these. One on a TR3A and one on a car in my garage. It's a TR-250. It is 1" or so. It is mounted on the frame behind the A-Arms and has some heim joints. One (possible) benefit is a longer moment arm than is usual, when mounted at the front. Another is that it sets some weight back behind the front wheels. Anybody else do this? Anybody else want to try it? I am not going to. This one is available. Joe Alexander From Billb at bnj.com Mon Apr 7 13:53:07 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:53:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> References: <285b8a860804071025l39dc3758s463d9223f4a89289@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Sure, as long as the casters are good quality and the floor is smooth and clean. Even a small piece of junk is good-sized relative to a caster wheel diameter. The wheel has to go over anything it hits and that means lifting the weight on that wheel over the obstruction using the lever of the wheel. the bigger the wheel, the easier it is to go over obstructions. Or you can use soft wheels and deal with a lot of friction. I assume you're intending to use wheel dollies--most have small diameters so your floor needs to be smooth and spotless. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the > best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer > on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, > and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I > figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. > > > TIA, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 7 16:12:38 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale Message-ID: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> One of our Club Members is selling his TR6 From: "Norma Miller" To: Subject: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:02:53 -0700 Due to circumstances beyond my control, I must put my 1974 TR-6 up for sale. I've had the car about a year and have put many labor of love hours into bringing it up to its present condition. The car has no rust or rot in it. The sheet metal, etc. is in good condition. The following parts are new: Redline tires, trim rings, center wheel emblems, windshield wiper arms and blades, sun visors, trunk liner, engine air guide, two horns and relay. Tie rod ends (front end alignment done two weeks ago), sway bar bushings, rack and pinion bushings , master cylinder with vacuum assist, flexible brake lines, wheel cylinders, disc brake pads, steering column stiffener bracket, battery, light switch, top locking handle, radio speaker holders, seat belts, trunk light switch. All this and more. Floor pans are cleaned and repainted with rustoleum, then new sound and heat deadening material. I installed a new hood release cable and added the extra release cable. The engine compression test showed 155 to 160 PSI on all cylinders. I also just installed new plugs, points and condenser and set the timing. What the car needs is the hood adjusted for proper fit, carburettors adjusted, slight paint chips touched up and a new owner to finish up the job to have a very nice car. I'm ready to take the loss and sell the car for $4,950 for a quick sale. I'm a club member. My name is Tom Miller - phone 602-788-4453. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 16:30:56 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 18:30:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale References: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Message-ID: <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> where is the car? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale > One of our Club Members is selling his TR6 > > From: "Norma Miller" > To: > Subject: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:02:53 -0700 > Due to circumstances beyond my control, I must put my 1974 TR-6 up > for sale. I've had the car about a year and have put many labor of > love hours into bringing it up to its present condition. The car > has no rust or rot in it. The sheet metal, etc. is in good > condition. The following parts are new: Redline tires, trim > rings, center wheel emblems, windshield wiper arms and blades, sun > visors, trunk liner, engine air guide, two horns and relay. Tie > rod ends (front end alignment done two weeks ago), sway bar > bushings, rack and pinion bushings , master cylinder with vacuum > assist, flexible brake lines, wheel cylinders, disc brake pads, > steering column stiffener bracket, battery, light switch, top > locking handle, radio speaker holders, seat belts, trunk light > switch. All this and more. Floor pans are cleaned and repainted > with rustoleum, then new sound and heat deadening material. I > installed a new hood release cable and added the extra release > cable. The engine compression test showed 155 to 160 PSI on all > cylinders. I also just installed new plugs, points and condenser > and set the timing. What the car needs is the hood adjusted for > proper fit, carburettors adjusted, slight paint chips touched up > and a new owner to finish up the job to have a very nice car. I'm > ready to take the loss and sell the car for $4,950 for a quick > sale. I'm a club member. My name is Tom Miller - phone > 602-788-4453. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 7 17:07:07 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:07:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [DCTRA] 1974 TR-6 for sale In-Reply-To: <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <20080407221519.DRPF13697.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <004e01c898ff$0cb2b560$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20080407230746.QIEO9874.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Sorry, The car is in the Phoenix area At 03:30 PM 4/7/2008, you wrote: >where is the car? From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 20:47:30 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 19:47:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The garage mahal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c89922$e405eaf0$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Concur. Regarding the soft wheels, I put some large pneumatic tired casters on my chassis rotisserie. The good part is it doesn't move when your working on the car. The bad part is it doesn't move easily when you want to move it, even with lots of air pressure. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Babcock Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:53 PM To: Mark Vaden Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] The garage mahal Sure, as long as the casters are good quality and the floor is smooth and clean. Even a small piece of junk is good-sized relative to a caster wheel diameter. The wheel has to go over anything it hits and that means lifting the weight on that wheel over the obstruction using the lever of the wheel. the bigger the wheel, the easier it is to go over obstructions. Or you can use soft wheels and deal with a lot of friction. I assume you're intending to use wheel dollies--most have small diameters so your floor needs to be smooth and spotless. On Apr 7, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Mark Vaden wrote: > I too am building a garagemajal, and I am trying to figure out the > best way to store my trailer. Has anyone tried putting their trailer > on casters with the race car on the trailer? I have a TR4 race car, > and I am hoping that I can do this and still push it around myself. I > figure my trailer weighs about 1000-1500lbs. > > > TIA, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 8 12:15:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 14:15:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT Message-ID: FOT List: Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with family near Road America. Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on an existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's school in June, but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning him about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of this. Joe A. From fubog1 at aol.com Tue Apr 8 12:18:38 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> A second for Phil! I've been in touch with him recently, he'll fit right in with FOT! Glen -----Original Message----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Philhyer at gmail.com Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT FOT List: Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with family near Road America. Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on an existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's school in June, but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning him about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of this. Joe A. Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From Billb at bnj.com Tue Apr 8 12:53:00 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 08:53:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> " he'll fit right in with FOT!" That's the worst recommendation I've ever heard On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > A second for Phil! > I've been in touch with him recently, he'll fit right in with FOT! > Glen > > -----Original Message----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Philhyer at gmail.com > Sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 2:15 pm > Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT > > FOT List: > > Great pleasure in this nomination....Florida guy with a 1963 TR4 with > family > near Road America. > > Phil plans to join us at Watkins Glen as our guest.....his car prep on > an > existing TR4 Race Car is going forth with an eye toward driver's > school > in June, > but not likely to bring it to the Glen...this year. > > Phil Hyer Philhyer at gmail.com > > Please welcome him with a second...and then send email to him, warning > him > about all of the bad influence he is going to encounter as a result of > this. > > Joe A. > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From mdporter at dfn.com Tue Apr 8 13:03:24 2008 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:03:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Phil Hyer Nomination to FoT In-Reply-To: <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> References: <8CA67BC1A207985-17EC-823@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com> <923D9501-DF74-4213-8352-BD5958C9E032@bnj.com> Message-ID: <47FBC17C.4020509@dfn.com> Bill Babcock wrote: > " he'll fit right in with FOT!" That's the worst recommendation I've > ever heard > On Apr 8, 2008, at 8:18 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > > Which is sort of a twist on Groucho Marx's comment: "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." :) Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From mark at bradakis.com Wed Apr 9 00:43:55 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:43:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hardtop seal? Message-ID: <47FC65AB.30704@bradakis.com> A fellow here in Salt Lake is looking for the rubber seal for the rear glass in his TR6 factory hardtop, part number 815534. The usual suspects here in the states don't seem to have it, but Moss UK lists it on their web page. Does anyone have a lead on a stateside source for this item? Thanks, mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 08:51:04 2008 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jimhearn1 at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:51:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 hardtop seal? Message-ID: <040920081451.3924.47FCD7D800013EB200000F542200734840CE029D0E0A08030706@comcast.net> The Roadster Factory should have it; they did when I got it. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mark J Bradakis > A fellow here in Salt Lake is looking for the rubber seal > for the rear glass in his TR6 factory hardtop, part number > 815534. The usual suspects here in the states don't seem > to have it, but Moss UK lists it on their web page. > > Does anyone have a lead on a stateside source for this > item? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as jimhearn1 at comcast.net From dave at microworks.net Wed Apr 9 10:02:48 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 09:02:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [WtW] OT: Homemade Sports Car In-Reply-To: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> References: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> Message-ID: <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Like a cross between a Devlin and a Jag E-Type inspired body. The two missing pictures... http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945/picture030za8.jpg http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/picture020wg4.jpg At 08:37 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >SHO power plant. Fiberglass body. 2500 lbs with driver. 255 HP. Just >needs windshield to be done. > >http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3030/picture005vb7.jpg > >http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7840/picture034vz9.jpg > >http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945 ... 030za8.jpg > >http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/ ... 020wg4.jpg From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 9 10:55:44 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 06:55:44 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [WtW] OT: Homemade Sports Car In-Reply-To: <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <000601c89a57$a0b8ff90$1603bb48@snoogumso5v9ii> <20080409160350.SAVW18642.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: interesting car, looks like a lot of high-quality work. On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:02 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > Like a cross between a Devlin and a Jag E-Type inspired body. > > The two missing pictures... > > http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945/picture030za8.jpg > > http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/picture020wg4.jpg > > At 08:37 AM 4/9/2008, you wrote: >> SHO power plant. Fiberglass body. 2500 lbs with driver. 255 HP. Just >> needs windshield to be done. >> >> http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/3030/picture005vb7.jpg >> >> http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7840/picture034vz9.jpg >> >> http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8945 ... 030za8.jpg >> >> http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/570/ ... 020wg4.jpg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From budscars at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 14:45:57 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] brake cable info needed Message-ID: <001c01c89a82$b6d9c450$0202a8c0@Bud> Hello Gang..can anyone help me with the application for Quinton Hazell cable #BC735?..probably an old part #. Thanks Racer Bud From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Apr 9 15:25:08 2008 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle Message-ID: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> Hello list. We will be attending Import Carlisle as a vendor. Spaces D80 & D81. Will be there Thursday afternoon, Friday and Saturday but not on Sunday. If you have any parts requests prior to the event, I can bring them out. Save money on shipping. If the items are extremely large, we need to know well in advance. I will have our usual stock of new goodies -- steel braid brake hoses, gear reduction starters, suspension components, Kevlar brakes; urethane bushings, etc. Will also have some used pieces. Please let me know what you need. Thanks for your time. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Thu Apr 10 08:34:05 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADEA2F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Hi gang, I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is perfectly legal in the group I race with. The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot shaft and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is to cut the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area down. Are there other ways to go here? If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines back another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch cut off of them? Scott B. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Apr 10 09:06:49 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:06:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74ADEA2F@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <000d01c89b1c$80ad74e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Scott, When I converted the GT6 gearox from the body I sold you, that is exactlywhat I did. Cutting the input shatf and machining the bit that goes into the pilot bushing was all that was necessary. You will have to find a clutch disk withthe proper splines but Ted Schumacher can help there. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions > Hi gang, > > I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to > put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is > perfectly legal in the group I race with. > > The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot shaft > and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is to cut > the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area down. Are > there other ways to go here? > > If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines back > another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch cut off > of them? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Apr 10 09:54:15 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:54:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions In-Reply-To: <000d01c89b1c$80ad74e0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <000401c89b23$22f1ed20$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> I did the same thing with a gearbox I got from Ted. The outer 0.050" or so of the shaft is case hardened and it took a long time with very small cuts to remove it. Once through however, the shaft is fairly soft, so it cuts easily. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 8:07 AM To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions Scott, When I converted the GT6 gearox from the body I sold you, that is exactlywhat I did. Cutting the input shatf and machining the bit that goes into the pilot bushing was all that was necessary. You will have to find a clutch disk withthe proper splines but Ted Schumacher can help there. Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: [Fot] Spitfire/GT6 Transmissions > Hi gang, > > I'm working on replacing my Spitfire's transmission and would like to > put it together with GT6 gears in it. I'll say up front that this is > perfectly legal in the group I race with. > > The Spitfire's input shaft is 6.125" from case to end of the pilot > shaft and the GT6's input shaft is 7.125". I assume the way to go is > to cut the GT6 shaft down to 6.125" and turn 1" of the splined area > down. Are there other ways to go here? > > If that's the way to do it, is it necessary to machine the splines > back another inch or are the splines long enough to work with an inch > cut off of them? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Fri Apr 11 13:44:04 2008 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Fot] test Message-ID: <47FFBF84.8040509@cfl.rr.com> test From rikrock at aol.com Fri Apr 11 13:52:53 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:52:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle In-Reply-To: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> References: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> Message-ID: <8CA6A24C3E7373F-11F4-3132@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Other FOT will be there selling parts as well.? Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Matt Bakes and I will be in rows "I" and "J".? Stop by and say hello (and buy something) ;-) Rich Rock ----- From stutzmans at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 15:14:55 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Import Carlisle References: <47FD3434.2090905@bright.net> <8CA6A24C3E7373F-11F4-3132@Webmail-mg01.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c89ce2$4210d340$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> WPTA will be at Carlisle in force as usual - spaces C66,C67 and C68. Stop by for a beer. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Import Carlisle > Other FOT will be there selling parts as well.? Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, > Matt Bakes and I will be in rows "I" and "J".? Stop by and say hello (and > buy something) ;-) > > Rich Rock > > > ----- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From igofaster at charter.net Sat Apr 12 15:20:34 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 14:20:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> Ya'll ..or 'yous guys' for those of you north of the Red River.. don't want to hear my Triumph GT6 transmission story. I'll share a clue though. 6 hours to Hallett OK for 1 1/2 laps to come back home... gearbox... #54 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Bobby Whitehead so... gearbox out tonight, back to square one... From britbits at netzero.com Sat Apr 12 19:34:19 2008 From: britbits at netzero.com (Jim) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:34:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. In-Reply-To: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> References: <20080412172034.3A6C5.196037.root@fepweb15> Message-ID: <002d01c89d06$807f4c50$33771342@jrg> Bobby, Bummer to hear that. I hauled an autocrosser 400 miles to New Orleans to have it start popping out of gear on my co-driver on the first run of a 2 day event. So I understand the feeling. Out of curiousity.. what was the failure mode? Spun bearing? Failed synchro? Layshaft out the side of the gearbox? Cheers, Jim Dallas '76 Spitfire DM autocrosser and too many other toys to list ;) -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+britbits=netzero.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of igofaster at charter.net Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:21 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Spitfire GT Transmission. Ya'll ..or 'yous guys' for those of you north of the Red River.. don't want to hear my Triumph GT6 transmission story. I'll share a clue though. 6 hours to Hallett OK for 1 1/2 laps to come back home... gearbox... #54 Yellow CVAR GT6+ Bobby Whitehead so... gearbox out tonight, back to square one... Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as britbits at netzero.net From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sun Apr 13 19:03:57 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:03:57 -0500 Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 Message-ID: <200804140104.m3E14iPH466667@ns3.geneseo.net> I need to replace the front diff seal and the front crank seal on my TR6. I replaced them both, along with Speedisleeves, not too long ago, but they are leaking too much to put up with. I'd like to be able to buy the seals prior to disassembling and measuring the iron pieces if someone has the specs. Thanks uncle jack From fpspitfire at comcast.net Sat Apr 12 09:56:21 2008 From: fpspitfire at comcast.net (fpspitfire at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:56:21 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ Message-ID: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. Aaron From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Mon Apr 14 06:42:46 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:42:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 References: <200804140104.m3E14iPH466667@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <002401c89e2d$0b4de3b0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Jack - On my TR3A, I had to change the front seal and couldn't get a speedi-sleeve that would do the job. So I spoke to a seal supplier and we found a new seal with a slightly smalled ID that was available and it was a very standard part. Then I turned down and polished the OD of the shaft where it was worn with a groove and polished it to the correct diameter for the new seal. It doesn't leak now and I didn't need to use a speedi-sleeve. Don Elliott, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:03 PM Subject: [Fot] viton seals for TR6 >I need to replace the front diff seal and the front crank seal on my > TR6. I replaced them both, along with Speedisleeves, not too long > ago, but they are leaking too much to put up with. > > > I'd like to be able to buy the seals prior to disassembling and > measuring the iron pieces if someone has the specs. > > Thanks > > uncle jack > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 14 08:37:59 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:37:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ In-Reply-To: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D0 7009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> References: <041220081556.27828.4800DBA50008EE0000006CB422155754740A9D07009B079F9C9F00@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20080414144800.KDQQ12496.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> That would be us. Have your friend contact me. The DCTRA is more then willing to help a fellow TR owner. Dave Riddle dave at microworks.net 480-610-8234 Club website: http://www.dctra.org At 08:56 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly >blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. > >Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. > > >Aaron >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 14 08:48:23 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 07:48:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 help or Shop needed in Scottsdale, AZ Message-ID: <20080414144926.XTM9874.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> That would be us. Have your friend contact me. The DCTRA is more then willing to help a fellow TR owner. Dave Riddle dave at microworks.net 480-610-8234 Club website: http://www.dctra.org At 08:56 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: >Anybody out there know of a Shop or someone willing to help a newly >blessed TR6 owner sort out a car and getting running decent. > >Looking for a friend of a friend that is in the Scottsdale, AZ area. > > >Aaron >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 14 12:06:16 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:06:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Spitfire Racer Message-ID: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> I have a friend who is looking to return to road racing and wants to buy a turn-key Spitfire racer. (He would also look at a TR6 or similar) Does anybody know of a good car for sale? Please contact ne at robert at mackenzie.aero Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Apr 14 12:31:46 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:31:46 -0600 Subject: [Fot] flat towing Triumphs Message-ID: Ha any one had trouble or can give guidance to me re: flat towing my TR4A?? Thanks in advance! Kevin From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Apr 14 18:17:15 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:17:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Wrist pins needed Message-ID: <20080415011503.204A5187653@autox.team.net> Does anyone have an extra set of serviceable wrist pins for sale ? Thanks, Jim G. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Mon Apr 14 19:00:37 2008 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (Jim Gray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:00:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Wrist pins needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080415015815.254F61878ED@autox.team.net> Oops, they're for an 86.5mm TR4 jg _____ From: N197TR4 at cs.com [mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com] Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:50 PM To: toodamnfunky at comcast.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Wrist pins needed In a message dated 4/14/2008 7:16:46 PM Central Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: Does anyone have an extra set of serviceable wrist pins for sale ? Thanks, Jim G. for what? From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Apr 15 06:45:17 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:45:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor Message-ID: <8dae5aeaa809d540a479c2ed2be941a1@wi.rr.com> FoT, Does anyone have an early TR3 brake rotor laying around on a shelf that could help me with a few measurements? I need the exact diameter and the "hat" dimension (vertical height when the rotor is laying on a flat surface). Thanks for any help. Allen Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Apr 15 07:16:53 2008 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor References: <8dae5aeaa809d540a479c2ed2be941a1@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <003101c89efa$fa4c82f0$6601a8c0@Elliott> Allan - I measured the rotor on my 1958 TR3A. It is a very early TR3A (TS 27489 LO). I am still using the original rotors with 178,000 miles from new. The OD measures 10.030" overall. The "hat" sidewalls are tapered. At the rotor (brim), the hat diameter measures 6" OD and where the outer hub is secured, the OD of the flat face measures 5.25". I turned the braking faces during my full body-off restoration from 1987 to 1990 and the thichness measures 0.470". The height of the hat is 1.030" from the rotor to the flat face. I assume that it's 1" nominal and with the turning, it accounts for the extra. Don Elliott, Original Owner, Montreal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Washatko" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Brake Rotor > FoT, > > Does anyone have an early TR3 brake rotor laying around on a shelf that > could help me with a few measurements? I need the exact diameter and > the "hat" dimension (vertical height when the rotor is laying on a flat > surface). > > Thanks for any help. > > Allen > > Allen & Jody Washatko > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as 58tr3a at videotron.ca From Lunkercars at earthlink.net Tue Apr 15 08:05:23 2008 From: Lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:05:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Looking for Racer In-Reply-To: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> References: <002801c89e5a$3c24a960$b46dfc20$@net> Message-ID: <5E86E7A9-B6EE-47D3-AA2F-565B5494A731@earthlink.net> I too have a friend looking for a racer. TR4 or 4A "drive to the track racer" Location is not important. Price vs. quality is. My friend Bill Swope started racing in '63 with a TR4. Since then he has run the gamut - Formula cars, Can-Am, sports racers and a gaggle of 911's. He is now going full circle back to his TR roots. If a viable car can be found, Bill would likely join us at Watkins Glen. Any leads? Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM On Apr 14, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Robert D. MacKenzie wrote: > I have a friend who is looking to return to road racing and wants > to buy a > turn-key Spitfire racer. (He would also look at a TR6 or similar) > > Does anybody know of a good car for sale? Please contact ne at > robert at mackenzie.aero > > Robert MacKenzie > 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) > 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) > Cedar Park, TX > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as lunkercars at earthlink.net From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Apr 15 08:34:20 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:34:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Flat tow Message-ID: I appreciate all the comments offered on this subject. It appears the cons out weighed the pros 2-1. Guess I'll keep an eye open for a car dolly. Or any dollies for that matter... Kevin From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 15 09:38:27 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TR6 AutoX In-Car Message-ID: Hi, I took some in-car at the first event of the year up here in NE. http://youtube.com/watch?v=S3w_ht7BAEk It was an interesting event, but I wound up third overall raw time which is "not bad" considering there were 5 MOD car drivers in my heat. But I was only about 1 second off FTD, and I think if I hand't bobbled a bit on one leg, I might have been another .5 sec. faster which would have put me in second overall. Enjoy! Oh - the sound sucks. Sorry about that. I'm going to play with the built in mic. to see if I can fix that. I really want to hear that sweet 6 when I watch the vid! rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 12:15:40 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:15:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Valve Cover cap for Triumphtune valve cover Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804161115r1d02c1d5m6d294a30af5ee58d@mail.gmail.com> I have a nice old black Triumphtune valve cover with no cap. It seems to be a strange size -- bigger hole than standard cap, but same configuration with the lip on the outside. The diameter is about 2.4 inches with the maximum diameter of the inside is 2.25. Any help appreciated. -- Chuck Arnold From rikrock at aol.com Wed Apr 16 14:15:19 2008 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Wed Apr 16 14:22:33 2008 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:22:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74B3AAE3@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Second! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of rikrock at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 3:15 PM To: fot at autox.team.net; gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as scott.barr at mccarty-law.com From tdwark at mpinet.net Wed Apr 16 14:33:40 2008 From: tdwark at mpinet.net (Thomas D. Wark) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <480662A4.1030105@mpinet.net> Tom Wark seconds, Gary's nomination, Gary would be an asset to The FOT because of his vast Triumph Spots Car knowledge and his ability to get along with others. Tom Wark Tavares, FL rikrock at aol.com wrote: > I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. > ? > Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) > ? > This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? > > Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tdwark at mpinet.net From fubog1 at aol.com Wed Apr 16 14:40:28 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:40:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA6E193DBE5353-B9C-EA7@MBLK-M30.sysops.aol.com> Rick I'll third or fourth that nomination. Gary BELONGS in the FOT... Glen -----Original Message----- From: rikrock at aol.com To: fot at autox.team.net; gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 4:15 pm Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Apr 16 16:23:51 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:23:51 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA6E15BA0C420F-12A4-8A5@FWM-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I too welcome Gary. We certainly could use more TR6 representation!!! Allen On Apr 16, 2008, at 3:15 PM, rikrock at aol.com wrote: > I would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. > ? > Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are > likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might > see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not > busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary > worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit > right in ;-) > ? > This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the > process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I > have a second, please? > > Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com > > Thanks, > > Rich Rock > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From brad.kahler at 141.com Wed Apr 16 17:09:13 2008 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 23:09:13 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <200804161709286.SM06140@[166.70.182.40]> Rich, I'll happy 2nd Gary's nomination!B Gary was a huge help to Susan and I at VIR in 2004.B Gary carted me all over town when I was trying to find carb socks for Susan's spitfire.B His help got her back on the track a lot sooner than I could haveB hoped for. Plus he was a recipient of the Sweat Equity award at the VTR convention in Philadelphia, what more can you say! Welcome Gary! Brad -----Original Message----- From: Sent 4/16/2008 2:15:19 PM To: fot at autox.team.net, gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Subject: [Fot] NominationI would like to nominate Gary Hunter for Membership in FOT. ? Gary works in Tim's magazine empire, and is one of the people you are likely to see manning their stand at various events.? Or, you might see him at a VTR or TRF autocross?competing in?his TR6 (when he's not busy helping someone he just met fix their car)!?? Previously, Gary worked at JK Jacksons shop.? He's a great guy, and I know he'll fit right in ;-) ? This nomination is long overdue.? I promised Gary I would start the process when I saw him at Watkins Glen back in September.? Could I have a second, please? Gary's email address is Gary at grassrootsmotorsports.com Thanks, Rich Rock Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as brad.kahler at 141.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Apr 16 18:58:02 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:58:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: And Gary will be adding value to the WPTA Hospitality Tent at Watkins Glen with his famous English Pub with Bar & Darts. You never know where you are going to find Gary. I was driving down a 'farm to market' road in northern Iowa one Saturday and there was Gary driving an antique Farmall. He called me the following Monday from Florida, not knowing I had seen him. Small World. Joe A > I too welcome Gary. We certainly could use more TR6 representation!!! > > Allen > > From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Apr 17 08:06:20 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: Yea, Gary! He's helping me put my TR3 engine back in this afternoon! Got it done by Abacus and have 158.6 hp at the crank. Hope this is enough. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tarch at bellsouth.net Thu Apr 17 08:20:07 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:20:07 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003401c8a096$23cc9dd0$7d01a8c0@richardiipc> That is 158.6 hp at what RPM? Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Yea, Gary! He's helping me put my TR3 engine back in this afternoon! Got it done by Abacus and have 158.6 hp at the crank. Hope this is enough. Tim Suddard From walt at hot-tr6.com Thu Apr 17 08:36:16 2008 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:36:16 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 for sale Message-ID: <20080417153542.F2BAC187673@autox.team.net> Hello follow FOT members. In Albuquerque, NM I have a 1974 Triumph TR6 for sale. It is a hot daily driver and a great autocross car. It is listed on ebaymotors item number 330227084897 in case anyone might know somebody that would like to buy a TR6 that is straight, fast and has nothing on the "fix it now" list. Just turn the key and drive. Thank You Walt Hollowell Abq., NM email: walt at hot-tr6.com ph 1 505 362-4350 From GRMTim at aol.com Thu Apr 17 08:42:16 2008 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 10:42:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Gary Hunter Message-ID: Need to check my chart, but I think it was right around 6000-6200. Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From kaskas at cox.net Thu Apr 17 09:49:35 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:49:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Parts References: <022701c8a04b$0d9c2f30$0201a8c0@Grendel> Message-ID: <000d01c8a0a2$a4ae4690$3a16c548@RW> I have just received this notice that the crank scraper is now available for the TR-3 and TR-4. Look like the real stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin_Johnson at crank-scrapers.com To: Kas Kastner Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Triumph Parts Hi Kas, I finally got to the TR3/TR4 patterns: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380018615598 Kind regards, Kevin Ishihara-Johnson Crank Scrapers http://www.crank-scrapers.com Land O' Lakes, Florida 727-808-8602 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The materials in this electronic mail transmission (including all attachments) are private and confidential and are the property of the sender. The information contained in the material may be legally privileged and is intended only for the use of the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, be advised that any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or electronic message and thereafter, destroy it immediately. From John.Fridirici at grande.com Thu Apr 17 15:17:05 2008 From: John.Fridirici at grande.com (Fridirici, John) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:17:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> All, We break them. Does anyone know why this happens? Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now broken. John Wagner and John Fridirici From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Apr 17 16:03:04 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <041720082203.9057.4807C917000C5CB5000023612205886360970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 17 16:23:32 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> References: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Fridirici, John wrote: > All, > > We break them. Yep. > Does anyone know why this happens? I have theories. Bottom line: the top-hat has a sharp cut and it's very likely to crack / shear there. It happens faster if you bang / crunch gears, especially 1st to 2nd. Once that puppy shears, all bets are off because the end-float goes to crap and other stuff starts to break or go bad. If you're lucky, you catch it before the spacer explodes and you loose the synchro hub, second gear and the mainshaft. Not that _I've_ ever done that. But if you've pumped up your power, you're probably putting in something like 50% more input power (and torque) than the stock setup. It's probable that you're outside of the designed specs, hence the failures. > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. If you have brass on steel, you probably are seeing the brass wear causing excessive end-float and then "other collateral problems". You can get steel top-hats that fit in the old-style second gear mainshaft gear, they work pretty good. Just like the late-style TR6 setup (but with the older gears that you probably have). > John Wagner and John Fridirici Regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Apr 17 16:26:53 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: References: <69A75BF4B94E654BAFCB852D5A5BA7D8032FA78D@GCCEXCHANGE.gcc.grande.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Robert Lang wrote: > You can get steel top-hats that fit in the old-style second gear mainshaft > gear, they work pretty good. Just like the late-style TR6 setup (but with > the older gears that you probably have). OOps - forgot to say that I've purchased the steel that fits the old style 2nd gear from Quantum Mechanics. Moss used to list them, I haven't seen then for a while there, but then again, I haven't looked. >> John Wagner and John Fridirici regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From igofaster at charter.net Thu Apr 17 17:26:27 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:26:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080417192627.MNZU9.3679.root@fepweb07> probably dumb question... Am I OK to run the Redline 90w synthetic in my Triumph gearbox? busy sorting junk Triumph gearboxes for my GT6.... sans T50... Bobby Whitehead..... From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Apr 17 17:30:56 2008 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:30:56 EDT Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil Message-ID: Absolutely run the Redline! I broke GT6 gearboxes repeatedly until I gave up and used a close ratio TR box. The tech guys accepted it because it was Triumph, used at LeMans and added 45 pounds to the car. If you have a racing clutch it will exacerbate the problem. **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Apr 17 18:33:45 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:33:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil References: <20080417192627.MNZU9.3679.root@fepweb07> Message-ID: As long as you use the MT 90. It has the proper friction properties for a syncronized gearbox. Standard Red Line gear oil would be too "slippery" for proper syncro operation. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: igofaster at charter.net To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: fot-request at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: [Fot] synthetic gear oil probably dumb question... Am I OK to run the Redline 90w synthetic in my Triumph gearbox? busy sorting junk Triumph gearboxes for my GT6.... sans T50... Bobby Whitehead..... _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tlizzard at msn.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Apr 17 19:59:34 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:59:34 EDT Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. Message-ID: FoT List This is about FLYWHEELS.......interested? otherwise delete. TR3 TR4 Steel Flywheel - Best Design, I think. eBay Item number: 170211511476 Pictures of finished and work in process flywheels I pulled the first steel flywheel off of the production pallet today. I located a ring gear on it and fastened it. I located steel flywheel onto a crankshaft and fastened it. I located a diaphragm type pressure plate on it and fastened it. It all fits and this one goes on my Ambro. That leaves a few left out of a run of 25 Flywheels. This design has a large chamfer in small ID for ease of assembly of the transmission that other steel flywheels may not have. (Thanks, Dean Tetterton) Material is milled at the periphery, where it counts most. 4130 Steel....chromium, nickel, & molybdenum content...used in connecting rods and other critical components (Thanks, Chuck Gee). Tomorrow, I start packaging and shipping. Joe A From mark at bradakis.com Thu Apr 17 23:02:53 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:02:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? Message-ID: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator for his street car. What are some of the currently available recommended options? Thanks, mjb. From tr4racing at googlemail.com Thu Apr 17 23:42:35 2008 From: tr4racing at googlemail.com (MadMarx) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:42:35 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <469C35CE65B04FA3B8F4DDBF2AC6DFB6@Mobil> I use one of those design and can recommend them very much. They are very easy to the crank stress and protect the rear main journal from wear because of the small weight. Very good stuff! Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:59 AM Subject: [Fot] Steel Flywheels on eBay...if you are in the market for a steel flywheel. > FoT List > > This is about FLYWHEELS.......interested? otherwise delete. > > TR3 TR4 Steel Flywheel - Best Design, I think. > eBay Item number: 170211511476 > Pictures of finished and work in process flywheels > > I pulled the first steel flywheel off of the production pallet today. > I located a ring gear on it and fastened it. > I located steel flywheel onto a crankshaft and fastened it. > I located a diaphragm type pressure plate on it and fastened it. > > It all fits and this one goes on my Ambro. > > That leaves a few left out of a run of 25 Flywheels. > > This design has a large chamfer in small ID for ease of assembly of the > transmission that other steel flywheels may not have. (Thanks, Dean > Tetterton) > > Material is milled at the periphery, where it counts most. > > 4130 Steel....chromium, nickel, & molybdenum content...used in connecting > rods and other critical components (Thanks, Chuck Gee). > > Tomorrow, I start packaging and shipping. > > Joe A > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as tr4racing at googlemail.com From mjb at autox.team.net Fri Apr 18 00:19:01 2008 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:19:01 -0600 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: GT6 gearbox, racer...] Message-ID: <48083D55.60509@autox.team.net> For some reason this was sent to me rather than fot at autox.team.net. mjb. From: igofaster at charter.net Subject: GT6 gearbox, racer Date: 04/17/08 22:29 OK... 'nother question with intent... My TRANSMISSION is an issue... What is the kick ass Triumph transmssion for my GT6? I've tried to stab a TR6 box in the space and I recall it is a major frame modificaion to allow the rear TR6 housing to squeeze in between the frame. CVAR only will allow Triumph tranny. The GT6 gearbox upgrade from Quantum is probably OK, but my ineptness may have come to light is I tried to remove my T50 Toyota 5 speed. Bob Davis had installed the hydraulic release bearing, and if I did anything wrong, it was not understanding the alignment of the release bearing on the clutch... I had metal shavings on my drain plug after less than 3 miles under driving conditions. I've stabbed an old early GT6 gearbox on to try to make Eagles Canyon next month... it was in the backyard in my parts bin..no top cover... and as I flushed it, there was some mice turds in it... I was wondering of the organic mice turd was preferred over the synthetic... If I can just exhibit at some speed around the course and give the Miss America wave in last place of my heat, I'll be,,, OK.... Peace guys! #54 Yellow CVAR EP GT6+ Bobby Whitehead From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 07:04:28 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:04:28 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings Message-ID: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> Neil sent this to me directly instead of the FOT List. Attention John F and John W -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Neil Revington" To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:46:49 +0000 Hi We do an all steel version of the early bush which doesn't break if that helps. cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: 17 April 2008 23:03 To: Fridirici, John; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Apr 18 07:13:40 2008 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:13:40 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? In-Reply-To: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark, I bought mine last year from Ron Davis Racing Products, Glendale, AZ. (623) 877-5000. It was beautifully made and fit perfect. They seem to me to be a well run business - good customer service and their product is well supported. Allen On Apr 18, 2008, at 12:02 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as awashatko at wi.rr.com > > Allen & Jody Washatko 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From fubog1 at aol.com Fri Apr 18 07:58:02 2008 From: fubog1 at aol.com (fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:58:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings In-Reply-To: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> References: <041820081304.14831.48089C5B000440D2000039EF2200734748970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CA6F7352EA9FC3-3AC-195@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com> This is good news. These have been on the market in the past but I wasn't aware of a current supplier. It's a lot easier the convert the box without having to use late TR-6 stuff. FWIW I have always attributed the tophat breakage to excessive end-float & a marginal design. The tophat is supported (axially) only by the end of the 3rd gear bush. When the 2nd gear gets to chucking back & forth there's enough load to crack the tophat at the inside corner... Glen -----Original Message----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: FOT Sent: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 9:04 am Subject: [Fot] FW: RE: Question about Top Hat Bushings Neil sent this to me directly instead of the FOT List. Attention John F and John W -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "Neil Revington" To: Subject: RE: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:46:49 +0000 Hi We do an all steel version of the early bush which doesn't break if that helps. cheers Neil Revington Revington TR, Home Farm, Middlezoy, Somerset, TA7 0PD. England Tel:- +44(0)1823 698437 Fax:- +44(0)1823 698109 email:- neil at revingtontr.com web: www.revingtontr.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+neil=revingtontr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of emanteno at comcast.net Sent: 17 April 2008 23:03 To: Fridirici, John; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Question about Top Hat Bushings -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Fridirici, John" > All, > > We break them. > > Does anyone know why this happens? Bad design? > Years ago we made a steel two piece with a brass sleeve. It is now > broken. The later TR6 gearbox uses a different second gear and an all steel bush. You aren't the only one to have problems with the top hat. Irv Korey Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as neil at revingtontr.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as fubog1 at aol.com From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Apr 18 08:06:04 2008 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:06:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <03e801c8a15d$57c26fd0$1b02a8c0@workstation3> I agree with Ron Davis Racing products. A very well made item. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? > A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as charly at mitchelplumbing.com From igofaster at charter.net Fri Apr 18 14:12:27 2008 From: igofaster at charter.net (igofaster at charter.net) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:12:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 kick ass transmission In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20080418161227.W8955.147467.root@fepweb15> I thought I posted this to the group but I type about as good as I mechanic.. From: igofaster at charter.net Subject: GT6 gearbox, racer Date: 04/17/08 22:29 OK... 'nother question with intent... My TRANSMISSION is an issue... What is the kick ass Triumph transmssion for my GT6? I've tried to stab a TR6 box in the space and I recall it is a major frame modificaion to allow the rear TR6 housing to squeeze in between the frame. CVAR only will allow Triumph tranny. The GT6 gearbox upgrade from Quantum is probably OK, but my ineptness may have come to light is I tried to remove my T50 Toyota 5 speed. Bob Davis had installed the hydraulic release bearing, and if I did anything wrong, it was not understanding the alignment of the release bearing on the clutch... I had metal shavings on my drain plug after less than 3 miles under driving conditions. I've stabbed an old early GT6 gearbox on to try to make Eagles Canyon next month... it was in the backyard in my parts bin..no top cover... and as I flushed it, there was some mice turds in it... I was wondering of the organic mice turd was preferred over the synthetic... If I can just exhibit at some speed around the course and give the Miss America wave in last place of my heat, I'll be,,, OK.... Peace guys! #54 Yellow CVAR EP GT6+ Bobby Whitehead From stutzmans at comcast.net Fri Apr 18 20:01:36 2008 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:01:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? References: <48082B7D.3080503@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <000b01c8a1c1$4e41bbf0$6800a8c0@D9DGQM31> I got my TR4 aluminum rad. from TRF. It is very well made and it works well. I'm sure their TR6 rads are just as good. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J Bradakis" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 aluminum radiator? >A local TR6 owner is thinking about getting an aluminum radiator > for his street car. What are some of the currently available > recommended options? > > Thanks, > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as stutzmans at comcast.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Apr 18 22:13:58 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:13:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram Message-ID: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop wiper motor 2-speed one. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMUtI6orer9bU4diZbHeO v9Dv6CofnLU5SS8Bh7K2Znh4/ From dave at microworks.net Sat Apr 19 00:13:19 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:13:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram In-Reply-To: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> References: <20080419.001358.27300.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <20080419061414.RCNE9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Try this... http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the >previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed >motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop >wiper motor 2-speed one. Joe(B) >_____________________________________________________________ >Ultimate Travel Deals - Click Now! >http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmDRMUtI6orer9bU4diZbHeO >v9Dv6CofnLU5SS8Bh7K2Znh4/ >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sat Apr 19 09:37:54 2008 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:37:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil FWIW Message-ID: <001001c8a233$55b4c040$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> I just bought a case of 12 of the Valvoline VR-1 Racing Motor Oil 20W-50 at my local "Fleet Farm" store for about $45. The case is marked "API SJ/SH/CD which is the old formulas with the 1200 ppm of ZDDP. The plastic bottles are still marked "API SM" which is the new formula. Someone had posted a response from Valvoline, if I remember correctly, that said the VR-1 still had the ZDDP and that Valvoline was in the process of relabeling the oil to reflect that. This seems to be the case. Also, the pdf on the Valvoline web site shows the VR-1 with 0.12% ZDDP or the 1200 ppm. Thought some might be interested. Tim 1961 TR4 #317 From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Apr 19 11:13:51 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? Message-ID: <000801c8a240$c0acb5d0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank pulley that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the TDC mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary that much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in the correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the damper has slipped From mini at wi.rr.com Sat Apr 19 18:37:19 2008 From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:37:19 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? In-Reply-To: <000801c8a240$c0acb5d0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <000201c8a27e$b44503e0$6400a8c0@home> Scott, Sometimes the vulcanizing bonding the rubber to the inner and outer metal parts of the vibration damper lets loose. The two parts can then move in relation to each other. I was timing an old British car once and I could actually use the timing gun to watch the timing marks rotate around the crank as the engine ran. Needless to say it was not possible to time that car as it was, had to replace the vibration damper. Richard Gehweiler mini at wi.rr.com 1.262.894.5460 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:14 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank pulley that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the TDC mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary that much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in the correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the damper has slipped Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as mini at wi.rr.com From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 19 21:24:29 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 03:24:29 GMT Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram Message-ID: <20080419.232429.13448.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Thanks, but the diagrams do not show the optional wiring for the 2-speed wiper motor, as refered to. This motor has 7 wires going to it, including the ground. -- "David W. Riddle" wrote: Try this... http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following the >previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 speed >motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and stop >wiper motor 2-speed one. 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Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngzRBUnTtu6qXcAagdgA1iO YvUuX9tjkAmMT3SvlA56GYJO/ From spitlist at cox.net Sat Apr 19 22:53:29 2008 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:53:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won Message-ID: <000801c8a2a2$7a559590$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let me be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. Congrats to her. It's a pity that the event was postponed yesterday and the coverage was changed to An ESPN channel that I don't get and I could not see it. :-( Oh well, a milestone, nonetheless. Cheers, Joe C. From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Apr 20 04:29:26 2008 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 06:29:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram References: <20080419.232429.13448.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: <002a01c8a2d1$6884d720$6601a8c0@LoriPC> I checked a TR6 wiper motor on my shelf and it only has 5 wires (plug), as the wiring diagrams indicate. The motor you have probably isn't a TR6 wiper motor. Ed Major '58 TR3A, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Boruch" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 wiring diagram > Thanks, but the diagrams do not show the optional wiring for the 2-speed > wiper > motor, as refered to. This motor has 7 wires going to it, including the > ground. > > -- "David W. Riddle" wrote: > Try this... > > http://www.dctra.org/?p=116 > > Page one of the PDF on TR2-TR4a shows the "two-speed w/park optional > from TS954". Page 2 of the PDF is the 3A and 3B > > > > At 09:13 PM 4/18/2008, you wrote: >>Does anyone happen to have a TR3A wiring diagram that shows how a 2 speed >>wiper motor would be wired in? This is for the 6 wire wiper motor. The >>diagrams that I have only show the single speed wiper motor. Or following > the >>previous thread related to this wiper motor, I need the diagram for a 3 > speed >>motor (stop, slow and a little faster) as opposed the the usual slow and > stop >>wiper motor 2-speed one. 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Click here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijngzRBUnTtu6qXcAagdgA1iO > YvUuX9tjkAmMT3SvlA56GYJO/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as ejmajor250 at comcast.net From kaskas at cox.net Sun Apr 20 08:41:19 2008 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 07:41:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? References: <000201c8a27e$b44503e0$6400a8c0@home> Message-ID: <001c01c8a2f4$98b7ee50$3a16c548@RW> Because of this breakage of the bond problem, in the past I have always drilled an 1/8" hole right through both parts in the "V" of the pulley. Then each time I checked the engine I would fit a 1/8" length of welding rod into the hole to make certain the outer part had not moved in relation to the inner part. Many times caught the movement. Sometimes a little other times a lot. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Gehweiler" To: ; "'Scott Janzen'" Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark 12-15 degress off - why? > Scott, > Sometimes the vulcanizing bonding the rubber to the inner and outer metal > parts of the vibration damper lets loose. The two parts can then move in > relation to each other. I was timing an old British car once and I could > actually use the timing gun to watch the timing marks rotate around the > crank as the engine ran. Needless to say it was not possible to time that > car as it was, had to replace the vibration damper. > > Richard Gehweiler > mini at wi.rr.com > 1.262.894.5460 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+mini=wi.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott > Janzen > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 12:14 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Assembling new engine with old crank pulley - timing mark > 12-15 degress off - why? > > I am assembling a new GT6 engine, re-using the vibration damper/crank > pulley > that was fitted to the previous engine - TDC marked on my flywheel, triple > checked with dial indicator, etc. Fitted the old damper/pulley and the > TDC > mark is off by about 12-15 degrees. did the keyways on the cranks vary > that > much in location from Triumph or am I missing something? Since it was in > the > correct location on the old engine I doubt the exterior casing of the > damper > has slipped > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as mini at wi.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as kaskas at cox.net From tlizzard at msn.com Sun Apr 20 08:50:17 2008 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 10:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: <000801c8a2a2$7a559590$0202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: I heard about it this morning on NPR's newscast. It was only a matter of time. Good for her I say. Terry Stetler From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Apr 21 08:04:17 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:04:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won Message-ID: In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let > me > be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the > first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. > > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles from Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. I crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years ago. Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would concentrate more on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our paddock at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in all probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 09:15:32 2008 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:15:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: Message-ID: <00c101c8a3c2$8b5add70$0200a8c0@Desktop> More important an American Win ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Danica Finally won > In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > spitlist at cox.net writes: > > >> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let >> me >> be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the >> first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. >> >> > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles > from > Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. > I > crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early > Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years > ago. > Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would > concentrate more > on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet > Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our > paddock > at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in > all > probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top > shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as wensley_tr at comcast.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 13:11:21 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:11:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request Message-ID: <000a01c8a3e3$7ea1dd60$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> After too many DNF's, the Norlin Engineering Spitfire finally had a sucessful event. My wife, Patty drove the car in the Oregon Region SCCA's Vintage Production 1 class (under 1900 cc's) and finished 4th out of 8 cars in class. As usual, we were the only Triumph at the event, although all the Spridgets seem to be running an upgraded front disc brake setup that uses Spitfire rotors. In the last two weekends, they have cracked 4 of these rotors. I'm going to start carrying a bunch of spares to see if I can help offset the cost of race fuel. The Portland track was repaved last fall with some subtle changes to many of the corners and a significant change to turn 7. The straight leading to 7 has been lengthened and the turn has been tightened significantly and banked slightly. It's now a second gear corner for the Spit, which makes the track a bit more fun. Now the request for help. Patty is the Oregon Region Historian. Over the weekend, one of the workers gave her several thousand photographs, mostly black and white from the late '80s from Seattle and Portland. There are a number of really good shots of a very fast white TR3, including several victory lap photos from various corner workers stations (Hardy, if you want her to scan some of these, get hold of me off list). Anyway, as we were sitting in the motorhome at the track Saturday night sorting through all these photos, she asked me if I would send out a request to the FOT for archive type materials of Pacific Northwest racing, particularly SCCA racing. She's specifically interested in old Loud Pedal's (the region publication), race results, programs and photos. Thanks in advance. Jim Norlin From budscars at comcast.net Mon Apr 21 14:00:08 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:00:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request References: <000a01c8a3e3$7ea1dd60$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <010801c8a3ea$4d445de0$0202a8c0@Bud> Hi jim...I'll forward your request to my newsletter group Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norlin Engineering" To: Cc: "Patty Norlin" Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:11 PM Subject: [Fot] Race Report and Archive Materials Request > After too many DNF's, the Norlin Engineering Spitfire finally had a > sucessful event. My wife, Patty drove the car in the Oregon Region SCCA's > Vintage Production 1 class (under 1900 cc's) and finished 4th out of 8 > cars > in class. As usual, we were the only Triumph at the event, although all > the > Spridgets seem to be running an upgraded front disc brake setup that uses > Spitfire rotors. In the last two weekends, they have cracked 4 of these > rotors. I'm going to start carrying a bunch of spares to see if I can > help > offset the cost of race fuel. > > The Portland track was repaved last fall with some subtle changes to many > of > the corners and a significant change to turn 7. The straight leading to 7 > has been lengthened and the turn has been tightened significantly and > banked > slightly. It's now a second gear corner for the Spit, which makes the > track > a bit more fun. > > Now the request for help. Patty is the Oregon Region Historian. Over the > weekend, one of the workers gave her several thousand photographs, mostly > black and white from the late '80s from Seattle and Portland. There are a > number of really good shots of a very fast white TR3, including several > victory lap photos from various corner workers stations (Hardy, if you > want > her to scan some of these, get hold of me off list). > > Anyway, as we were sitting in the motorhome at the track Saturday night > sorting through all these photos, she asked me if I would send out a > request > to the FOT for archive type materials of Pacific Northwest racing, > particularly SCCA racing. She's specifically interested in old Loud > Pedal's > (the region publication), race results, programs and photos. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Norlin > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From rocky at spitfire4.com Mon Apr 21 14:10:39 2008 From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:10:39 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Danica Finally won References: Message-ID: <001a01c8a3eb$c5f0bdf0$6601a8c0@S1099895562> Didja hear Guthrie on Wind Tunnel last night? She told DeSpain that long ago she predicted it would be, counting from her Indy debut, another two generations before a capable gal could get a ride in top-shelf equipment and win -- then noted Danica did it in a generation and a half so a little ahead of Guthrie's timetable. And DeSpain also noted those who scoffed that she only won because it was a fuel mileage race (Hey, Helio was on a fuel mileage strategy too but Danica did it better). I can't help but think that in NASCAR the big question was what's happened to Hendrick this year, then Jimmie Johnson won last weekend at Phoenix on a fuel mileage strategy and everyone crows "Hendrick's back!" Either way, It's racing. --Rocky Entriken ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Danica Finally won > In a message dated 04/19/2008 11:53:58 PM Central Daylight Time, > spitlist at cox.net writes: > > >> Hey guys and gals, particularly those e\who follow Open wheel racing, Let >> me >> be the first to announce on the FOT list that Danica Patrick is now the >> first Female to Win an Indy Car race in her 50th start. >> >> > Hooray for our side! Danica is from Roscoe, IL about a half dozen miles > from > Blackhawk Farms raceway where Bob Wismer was racing his S2000 yesterday. > I > crewed for him, and heard about Danica's win on the way to the track early > Sunday morning. I can remember seeing her doing laps at BLACKHAWK years > ago. > Even then you could see she was special. I wish the media would > concentrate more > on her fine driving and less on the fact that she's cute. Some good Janet > Guthrie quotes in USA TODAY this morning. Janet Guthrie stopped by our > paddock > at Road America the year before last. Another great female driver, who in > all > probability would have beat Danica to that first WIN had she ever had top > shelf equipment. Her book is great, if you have not read it. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > > ************** > Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as rocky at spitfire4.com From dodo at texas.net Mon Apr 21 14:22:56 2008 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:22:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] : Seeking Spitfire Race Wheels Message-ID: <013701c8a3ed$7cb39660$761ac320$@net> I am looking for a set (or two) of Spitfire wheels. Specifically, I want a set of 14 X 6 for Autocross but also want another set of 13 X 6 or 13 x 5.5 Anybody have any extras they want to part with? Please call (210) 415-5107 or email to robert at mackenzie.aero Thanx! Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (Street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (Race) Cedar Park, TX NASS # 511 From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Apr 21 17:29:38 2008 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:29:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Mon Apr 21 18:07:35 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:07:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Good Heavens Don, you mean you would want Mike to know all the insider secrets?! Ha ha I would be VERY pleased to 2nd that nomination. Mike is a good person and VERY Triumph loyal. Kind regards, Gary Fuqua Classic Sports Cars, Branson, MO **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Mon Apr 21 10:04:33 2008 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:04:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] cam followers (lifters) Message-ID: <200804220009.m3M09UCV305943@ns3.geneseo.net> I just thought I'd pass on a little info on lifters that might be of use to somebody. To the best of my knowledge, lifters for the TR3-4 are sold by British Frame and Engine, Moss, TRF, and British Parts Northwest. I tested 30 or 40 lifters from various sources. Of the lifters I've tested, I find that BPNW lifters do have a hardness between 54 and 60 Rockwell C. In addition, if you have the lifters refaced by Riddle Machine in Santa Ana CA, the hardness after refacing averages 57 Rockwell C. uncle jack From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 21 18:36:06 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:36:06 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Electronic "Flags" Message-ID: <20080422003724.BUHE9382.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> A post I found on the use of the new "Electronic" flags that F1 will use for the night race this year. http://www.f1-togo.com/2008-singapore-grand-prix/digiflags-at-singapore/ He has a link to a video of the system being tested. http://www.straitstimes.com/Video%2BNews/Singapore/STIVodcast_3919.html?playid=3919&type=Singapore',%20'multimedia',%20'width=850,%20height=625');%20void(''); From jdment at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 21 20:31:16 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:31:16 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <000b01c8a420$f0fa3fa0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Don I'll second the second! I won my first rally navigating with Mike's daughter in his TR4! Mike's an outstanding Triumph builder, mechanic, driver, and TR advocate. Jim McAndrew -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jdment=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jdment=suddenlink.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Carter Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:30 PM To: 'Friends of Triumph' Subject: [Fot] Nomination I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. Don Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of cda_logo_email.jpg] Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jdment at suddenlink.net From jdment at suddenlink.net Mon Apr 21 20:40:23 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Message-ID: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas From rem9 at frontiernet.net Tue Apr 22 07:13:35 2008 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:13:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay In-Reply-To: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> References: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> Looks like it had at least a shunt to the right front corner in its past. Appears clean rust-wise, but I wonder what's under the paint and what the actual mileage is? It's amusing to see what dealers try to extract from the iron they peddle. I still remember TR3 and 4s as cars that were pretty much given away when they stopped running back in the late 60's, early 70's. As Barret Jackson teaches, a fool and his/her money can be quickly parted. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James McAndrew Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Apr 22 07:21:14 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:21:14 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay In-Reply-To: <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> References: <000c01c8a422$36fbbcd0$6901a8c0@dogrun> <000a01c8a47a$ade96a60$09bc3f20$@net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D6BA258@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Jim, It sure looks nice in pictures but I'd drive down and see it. I do notice some crusty paint in the engine compartment and cracked rubber seals that shouldn't exist at this kind of price. Bob -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Russ Moore Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:14 AM To: 'James McAndrew'; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Looks like it had at least a shunt to the right front corner in its past. Appears clean rust-wise, but I wonder what's under the paint and what the actual mileage is? It's amusing to see what dealers try to extract from the iron they peddle. I still remember TR3 and 4s as cars that were pretty much given away when they stopped running back in the late 60's, early 70's. As Barret Jackson teaches, a fool and his/her money can be quickly parted. Russ -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rem9=frontiernet.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James McAndrew Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:40 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR 4 on eBay Anyone know anything about this TR4 on eBay in Houston (item # 270229092477)? I know the guy's info is not all correct (like 10,246 miles!) but it looks like it has a VTR sticker on the rear window. Comments? This past weekend the Red River Triumph Club (Dallas/Fort Worth) had the VTR regional convention in Tyler. It was a great event but I had no car as my TR3 is disassembled. I'm looking for something to drive on the street. Thanks for any replies. Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rem9 at frontiernet.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 22 07:44:21 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:44:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: FOT, The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. What doth the list sayeth? This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite and no washers or locking tabs. It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. I likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the answer maybe different for others. Joe A From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 08:05:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:05:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] BRG and other shades of GREEN... Message-ID: Amici... BRG and other shades of GREEN are in the news what with Earth Day and all. Our own FOT TR6 racer, Allen Washatko and his Kubala Washatko Architects firm designed the 'greenest building on the planet.' The Aldo Leopold Legacy Center in Baraboo, Wisconsin was awarded 61 out of a possible 69 points by the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) program (more than any other building in the world). Can't get into each and every effort made to achieve this success on list here, but suffice to say this building generates more energy than it needs, and is the first 'carbon neutral' building certified by LEED. Aldo Leopold would be proud. He was the hands on father of the modern conservation movement, and died fighting a brush fire in 1948. Kudos to Allen and Kubala Washatko. Bill Dentinger PS...What does such a green building cost? Well,...rumor has it the entire project ran about $325 per building square foot. Might sound high, but there are long term paybacks over and above the obvious earth friendly leanings. So one should use a 'life cycle' cost ruler when measuring such an effort. Anyway...I'll bet you Allen would tell you he's got three times that much in his TR6 (square foot costs). Good job Allen...in both efforts. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 22 08:11:01 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:11:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 1 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FF19@server.Triumph.local> Hard to believe VDCA has been doing this for 6 years, but the Sixth Annual Wild Hare Run at VIR was held on April 18-20, 2008. Another strong showing. For many it was their first run of the season, but those folks who hail from the deep south never seem to have an off season. I wonder when they overhaul their cars? VDCA has a winning format for the Wild Hare, we run combined race groups so we get plenty of track time. Groups 1 & 4 run together; 2, 5 & 7 get to play; then 3, 5 & 8. To make the numbers work we share the track with a BMW drivers club. It's a great partnership that allows both clubs access to VIR, undoubtedly one of the premier tracks in the country. While the run groups are big, they are easily handled by the 3.27 mile track. Talk about track time, how does 4 sessions of Friday, 3 on Saturday, then warm ups, a no-additional-cost one hour enduro and a feature on Sunday afternoon sound? Everyone enjoyed a picture perfect day on Friday, one of the grid workers was telling us this is what we get when we engage a Weather Steward. I almost believed him... Saturday was almost as nice, but the showers did dampen the last session of the day, the BMW enduro. Hey, they all have wipers and defrosters, nobody felt all that bad about it. Sunday was cloudy and threatening, but we got our track time in on dry track. I am not really sure how this happened, but the Triumph Ghetto has gotten out of hand. Through the tireless efforts of a Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton and Don Marshall, the word has gotten out that this is the event to drag your Triumph to. Heck, they even got Mike Jackson to abandon his FV buddies for the weekend and bring his TR3. When is the last time you saw that happen? TR3's were fielded by Mike Jackson, Jeff Snook, Dean Tetterton and Randy Williams. TR4's by Rob Deanes, Dennis DeLap, Henry Frye, Don Marshall, Paul O'Malley, Alan Pinel, Mark Wheatley and George Wright. Leo Oddi drove his beautiful TR250. Small chassis Triumphs were there as well, Tim Slater was there with his Spitfire and a I saw at least one GT6. The Friday night festivities have reached new heights as Captain Rob Deanes personally caught the fish, brought the deep fryers and all the preparations for a fish fry that couldn't be beat. Dean Tetterton was on Hush Puppy duty, and everybody was raving about the feast. Complete with all the fixing of the standard paddock party, we enjoyed traditional grilled mammal as well. All were welcome, all left happy. Our hats off to rookie TR4 pilot Rob Deanes for providing an incredible meal. Rob is easy to spot on track, his TR4 causes double-takes, as it closely resembles Old Blue of uncle jack racing fame. Of course Old Blue is no longer with us, so seeing it's ghost circulating the track makes me smile. --continued on Part 2 From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Apr 22 08:11:59 2008 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:11:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 2 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FF1A@server.Triumph.local> --continued from Part 1 The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make their presentation to the FOT-at-large. Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back onto the track. Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. Welcome aboard, Leo! Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get to know who your friends are! Until next time... From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 08:13:20 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:13:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: In a message dated 04/22/2008 8:44:50 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. > I > likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > answer maybe different for others. > > Joe... How can we take you serious about the other stuff, if you're going to lie to us about HP and RPMs? Bill (Damdinger) PS...Jan told me that while you are short on horsepower, she's seen you above 8,000 RPMs several times. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Apr 22 08:20:55 2008 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:20:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels References: Message-ID: <001f01c8a484$144f2a70$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I just got flywheel bolts from ARP for my aluminum flywheel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels > FOT, > > The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have > been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > > What doth the list sayeth? > > This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite > and > no washers or locking tabs. > > It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in > place. I > likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > answer maybe different for others. > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as s.janzen at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 22 08:28:17 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:28:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> If 3/8 " -24 bolts (stock diameter): ARP p/n: 206-2802 (BMC A series is the intended application) If 7/16 " -20 bolts (I favor these): ARP p/n: 350-2802 (Ford 351 Nascar V-8 is the intended application). These use a 3/4" socket and are 12 point. No washers, red loctite, you have to grind a little off the end of the 7/16 bolts. - Tony At 08:44 AM 4/22/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: >FOT, > >The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I have >been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > >What doth the list sayeth? > >This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite and >no washers or locking tabs. > >It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in place. I >likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the >answer maybe different for others. > >Joe A From triosan at gmail.com Tue Apr 22 08:52:22 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:52:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> References: <20080422152751.E283C187651@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804220752s5e1e4efp53424a0878460f59@mail.gmail.com> I have eight extra of the Ford ones -- paid Summit about $8 each I think. Will sell. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > If 3/8 " -24 bolts (stock diameter): ARP p/n: 206-2802 (BMC A series > is the intended application) > If 7/16 " -20 bolts (I favor these): ARP p/n: 350-2802 (Ford 351 > Nascar V-8 is the intended application). These use a 3/4" socket and > are 12 point. > > No washers, red loctite, you have to grind a little off the end of > the 7/16 bolts. > > - Tony > > At 08:44 AM 4/22/2008, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > >FOT, > > > >The steel flywheels are arriving at their intended destinations and I > have > >been asked what I would recommend for fasteners. > > > >What doth the list sayeth? > > > >This is a worthy question. I use a particular fastener (4) with Loctite > and > >no washers or locking tabs. > > > >It would be good to see a consensus on keeping this rotating mass in > place. I > >likely have no more than 125HP and seldom go beyond 6,000 RPM. Thus, the > >answer maybe different for others. > > > >Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From lang at isis.mit.edu Tue Apr 22 09:34:25 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2008, Don Carter wrote: > I would like to nominate a long time Triumph friend and autocross > competitor, Mike Hado, whose email address is mdhado at comcast.net. He is > known to several of you I'm sure. Thanks. A Triumph dude AND an autocrosser??? Surely we've lowered our standards! I'll second (or third or whatever) that nomination. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 22 10:00:26 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?iso-8859-1?q?Race_Report_-_Wild_Hare_Run_=A0_Part_2?= Message-ID: <5B0D57B7.3DF82CD5.00159EE9@cs.com> egads! three TRs in one race! does this mean he gets to put three TR images on the side of his car like on fighter planes....? i hope he does so i can leave the track asap. i dont suppose this is the same guy that put BDI on his lid? >--continued from Part 1 > >The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make >their presentation to the FOT-at-large. > >Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this >weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many >were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with >gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil >pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. >We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was >able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. > >The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we >were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and >Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those >hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking >out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same >Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by >overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both >feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back >onto the track. > >Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting >with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the >paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog >Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a >steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. >Welcome aboard, Leo! > >Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period >correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around >the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are >reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get >to know who your friends are! > >Until next time... >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com From REK46 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 10:16:47 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:16:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: Be sure the flywheel bolts have an un-threaded shank to get at least through most of the flywheel thickness(without bottoming on the shank or the crank depth when torqued...full threaded bolts will machine the crank holes. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From REK46 at aol.com Tue Apr 22 10:18:45 2008 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:18:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels Message-ID: i meant " machine the flywheel holes" ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 22 10:33:16 2008 From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <424463.8559.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Robert!!! What a silly fopah on your part .. of course we have no standards or I would never have been accepted ... Really, what were you thinking??? Robert Lang wrote: On A Triumph dude AND an autocrosser??? Surely we've lowered our standards! I'll second (or third or whatever) that nomination. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as tstrange at sbcglobal.net Tom http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm #4 white spitfire From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Apr 22 11:11:53 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:11:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Earth Day by- product from the 30's ! Message-ID: Speaking of 'Green' ...The Brits had a racing diesel back when. http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080422/FREE/885148020/15 28/newsletter01 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Tue Apr 22 11:49:44 2008 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:49:44 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Race_Report_-_Wild_Hare_Run_=C2=A0_Part_2?= Message-ID: <2588216.1208886584907.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> No, not a guy involved with any actions up North. This guy is from the South and likely does not travel widely. He will be banned for life from VDCA and placed on the VMC Suspension list for the ever popular 13 months. If it is not widely known by ya'll, the VMC list is advisory only for all clubs. Each organization makes its own decision as to what to do with drivers listed by others. Mike Jackson Race Director - VDCA -----Original Message----- >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Sent: Apr 22, 2008 12:00 PM >To: "\"Henry Frye\"" , "\"Friends of > Triumph\"" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run B Part 2 > >egads! three TRs in one race! > >does this mean he gets to put three TR images on the side of his car like on fighter planes....? > >i hope he does so i can leave the track asap. > >i dont suppose this is the same guy that put BDI on his lid? > >>--continued from Part 1 >> >>The McDougall Trophy was awarded again, I'll let the presenters make >>their presentation to the FOT-at-large. >> >>Unfortunately the mantra of our mentor was nowhere to be found this >>weekend. As a whole, the Triumphs did not do Kas Kastner proud, as many >>were beaten by equipment. Both yellow TR4's went down with >>gearbox/clutch issues, we lost a TR3 and a TR4 to a lack of oil >>pressure, plus we lost one tractor motor to the obligatory head gasket. >>We thought we lost Don Marshall to the oil pressure demon, but he was >>able to reverse his misfortune and run the feature. >> >>The grid for the feature was looking a bit sparse for Triumphs, but we >>were hopeful for good finishes and a good show between Jackson and >>Snook. Mike was keen to reverse the finishing order from Sebring. Those >>hopes went to pot when an overzealous Sprite driver succeeded in taking >>out both of them on turn 1 of lap 1, then with one lap to go the same >>Sprite driver did it again and took out yet another Triumph by >>overcooking it going into the roller coaster and instead of putting both >>feet to the floor to regain control he kept peddling it and shot back >>onto the track. >> >>Hats off to Leo Oddi who was screaming on track all weekend flirting >>with the top of the Triumph lap times. He survived the attrition of the >>paddock demons and the crazy Sprite driver and came in as the top dog >>Triumph driver in the feature. Leo has been moving up the charts at a >>steady pace, and has now cemented his status as one of the fast guys. >>Welcome aboard, Leo! >> >>Richmond Triumph Register faithful Chip Collingswood brought his period >>correct prepped Datsun 510 to play, and Scott Tilton came to help around >>the paddock. Thanks to Scott for the help on my car, when you are >>reinstalling a gearbox for the second time in a weekend, you really get >>to know who your friends are! >> >>Until next time... >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >>You are subscribed as n197tr4 at cs.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as grandwazoo at earthlink.net From LOddTR at aol.com Tue Apr 22 11:50:03 2008 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:50:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 FATBASTARD Champion Announcement Message-ID: Yesterday, Henry Frye provided you with a thorough summary of our race weekend at VIR. Today, I am pleased to announce to the FOT community that we have a new Champion for 2008. In the spirit of the beloved Martha McDougal, we selected a Triumph pilot that exemplifies the comradery, perseverance, racecraft and positive attitude, for which Martha was so well known. After a painstaking, and time consuming review of our complex scoring system, we are pleased to tell you that Mark Wheatley was selected as our 2008 Champion. Mark was presented the trophy, including Martha's left shoe, by Dennis DeLap, our 2007 Champion. The award was in recognition of his years of contribution to the sport and on-track performance during the weekend's racing. Mark is well known as always having a smile, or wry grin, ready at a moments notice. He has willingly assisted in the repair of cars with which he competes, often loaning his own spares in the process. He has steadily progressed as a driver and shared his knowledge with those coming up through the ranks. It's a shame none of us can understand him when he speaks. Congratulations Mark! Dean Tetterton, Don Marshall, Leo Oddi (Rob Deanes, apprentice, chef and newbie) FOT Southeast **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Apr 22 12:58:38 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:58:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Race Report - Wild Hare Run Part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 04/22/2008 12:50:29 PM Central Daylight Time, grandwazoo at earthlink.net writes: > No, not a guy involved with any actions up North. This guy is from the > South > and likely does not travel widely. He will be banned for life from VDCA and > placed on the VMC Suspension list for the ever popular 13 months. > > If it is not widely known by ya'll, the VMC list is advisory only for all > clubs. Each organization makes its own decision as to what to do with > drivers > listed by others. > > Good for the VDCA! Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From mark at bradakis.com Tue Apr 22 21:05:14 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 21:05:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01c8a407$912d2380$59e8a8c0@donlaptop> Message-ID: <480EA76A.1000604@bradakis.com> > Surely we've lowered our standards! > With a bit of spring work and some attention paid to the resulting steering geometry, it isn't that difficult to lower a Standard - oh, wait a minute... mjb. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Apr 22 21:54:47 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:54:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Flywheel Fasteners for Steel Flywheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080423045422.8C939187645@autox.team.net> Both ARP bolts I mentioned have a shank that eliminates this problem. You still want to run one or two (I vote for two) dowel pins to help locate the flywheel. With the 3/8 ones (and probably the 7/16 ones for that matter), you can run 8 bolts instead of 4. That would eliminate the dowels. I run 2 dowel pins (3/8) and 4 7/16 bolts with the big heads on a steel flywheel. - Tony At 11:16 AM 4/22/2008, REK46 at aol.com wrote: Be sure the flywheel bolts have an un-threaded shank to get at least through most of the flywheel thickness(without bottoming on the shank or the crank depth when torqued...full threaded bolts will machine the crank holes. ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. ( http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Apr 24 15:47:24 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:47:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA Message-ID: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> This car is 15 minutes from my home. I haven't been to look at it yet, but will be glad to if someone is interested. Jim Reply to: sale-633771534 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-07, 3:48PM 1963 TR4 SCCA E/Production Class Car complete with Log Book, etc.. Call 540-420-9212 for more info. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Christiansburg, VA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://roanoke.craigslist.org/car/633771534.html -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Apr 24 16:26:24 2008 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:26:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA In-Reply-To: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0JZU00AXHN1GAH00@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820D705261@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Jim, Hold your calls! I just negotiated a purchase of this car over the phone. I've been wanting an affordable car for my son and this looks to be it. Now I need to figure out how to get it to Texas. Anyone have taking something east? -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of J.C. Hassall Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 4:47 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] EP TR4 in Christiansburg VA This car is 15 minutes from my home. I haven't been to look at it yet, but will be glad to if someone is interested. Jim Reply to: sale-633771534 at craigslist.org Date: 2008-04-07, 3:48PM 1963 TR4 SCCA E/Production Class Car complete with Log Book, etc.. Call 540-420-9212 for more info. * This item has been posted by-owner. * Location: Christiansburg, VA * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://roanoke.craigslist.org/car/633771534.html -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as rkramer at rdoequipment.com From jhassall at blacksburg.net Thu Apr 24 18:49:31 2008 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:49:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 steel wheel rear axle hub needed Message-ID: <0JZU007KCVSMAI00@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Anyone have a spare rear axle hub for a TR4 with the steel wheel studs? haaaaaalp! jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA '63 TR4 in autox preparation 96% finished, 90% to go From pvucinic at netspace.net.au Thu Apr 24 22:34:35 2008 From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:34:35 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion Message-ID: Dear Listers, Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower Trunnions (Takes bolt)? 1. Is that you need the a SET of TR4A/TR6 lower wishbones to replace the TR4 set? 2. Do you then need to have a modified INNER lower wishbone bush? Or will the TR4/6 STD bush fit on the TR4 wishbone, lower fulcrum pins (On Chassis) Any assistance greatly appreciated. Kind Regards Peter Vucinic TR4 Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Apr 25 06:39:10 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:39:10 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion Message-ID: <042520081239.27838.4811D0EE000E509F00006CBE2200751150970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Peter Vucinic" > Dear Listers, > > > > Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower > Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower > Trunnions (Takes bolt)? At the very least, you will need 4A-6 vertical links to go with those trunnions. The later trunnions and vertical links are sided. In other words, they do not use the same pieces on each side of the car. HTH, Irv Korey From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Apr 24 18:48:48 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:48:48 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion References: <042520081239.27838.4811D0EE000E509F00006CBE2200751150970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8a66e$1fe87300$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I thought the vertical links and spindles were unchanged from 3 ttrough 4A. I know the steering arms were changed when the rack and pinion was introduced. Also the caliper mounting brackets were changed when the 16P calipers came on. Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Peter Vucinic" ; "FOT" Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Peter Vucinic" > > > Dear Listers, > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the major hurdles are in converting TR4 3deg lower > > Trunnion (Shaft pressed into Trunnion), to the TR4A/6 style 3deg lower > > Trunnions (Takes bolt)? > > At the very least, you will need 4A-6 vertical links to go with those trunnions. The later trunnions and vertical links are sided. In other words, they do not use the same pieces on each side of the car. > HTH, > Irv Korey > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From spreiss at verizon.net Thu Apr 24 19:23:53 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:23:53 +1100 Subject: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion References: <042520081557.24379.4811FF6C00028E1D00005F3B2207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001201c8a673$068f3ec0$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I believe the first TR4s used the same trunnions and upper arm/ball joint assembly as the TR3A/B and that at some point early in the model run (CT63XX) the trunnions and upper a-arm/ball joint assembly were changed to provide the three degrees of positive castor. If you are using trunnions with pressed in pins, they are the late TR4 type (as opposed the TR4A-TR6 type which used a through bolt), and you would need the TR4 lower a-arms with these. ----- Original Message ----- From: emanteno at comcast.net To: Steven Preiss Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 to 4A/6 Lower Trunnion Conversion -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Steven Preiss" > I thought the vertical links and spindles were unchanged from 3 ttrough 4A. The 4A uses different vertical links and trunnions, as well as different a-arms compared to the TR4. Irv From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 11:29:25 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:29:25 EDT Subject: [Fot] FoT in Need of Liners Message-ID: FoT, I am helping a FoT get his engine together. Does anyone have a set of original 86mm liners on the shelf that are going no where? I have a set of AE Hepolite 87mm pistons for this FoT. Will ship to Allison, Iowa for boring/honing to 87mm to match the pistons. Thanks! Joe Alexander From WEmery7451 at aol.com Fri Apr 25 11:48:21 2008 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:48:21 EDT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: Dear FOT, Recently, we installed the TR-4 front suspension on the TR-3. The Roadster Factory seem to show only these fancy gold color grooved brake rotors for the TR-4 in their new catalogs. My thoughts were that these rotors would be an upgrade to the stock steel rotors. We started installing the grooved rotors wh en it was suddenly noticed in the manufacture's instructions: "Do not use these rotors for racing." My thoughts are how can these rotors be an upgrade if you can't race with them, and you can race with the steel rotors. The Roadster Factory representative recommended that I go ahead and use the grooved rotors, because they are much better than the steel rotors. My concern is that someone at Tech. Inspection might be familiar with the instructions for the grooved rotors and f ail the car. I ordered a new pair of the original steel brake rotors, and they are now on the car. Does anyone on the list have recommendations, thoughts, or opinions concerning these grooved rotors? ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From GSFuqua1 at aol.com Fri Apr 25 12:00:16 2008 From: GSFuqua1 at aol.com (GSFuqua1 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:00:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have considered this myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not using them for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. Comments???? Interested minds want to know. Cheers, Gary **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From Billb at bnj.com Fri Apr 25 12:26:56 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:26:56 -1000 Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69DA2F8F-97AF-462E-94BD-FFB13AA45BC7@bnj.com> I assume they don't recommend them for racing because most sanctioning bodies will ding you for them. I have a set on Peyote and several times they were mentioned in tech though I was never excluded and no one put a "fix" mention in my log book. Of course I was traveling from track to track--if I was racing with just one group I suspect I would have had to change them. If there is an advantage to them I sure can't feel it. The only reason they are on Peyote is that they were available when my rotor broke up-- I think it was at VIR or perhaps Elkheart. I think the way to get good braking on a TR is to use good pads and break them in properly, then make sure they aren't getting tapered as you use them. I use Kas' method of grinding them flat in a drill press using a flat cup stone. Follow the manufacturers suggestions for break in, which usually is to brake progressively harder several times, allowing cool off time between applications of the bakes, then let everything cool off and offgas before racing on the things. I tend to break in pads, then pull them, look for even wear on the pads, then put them back in the box as ready spares. I have about ten sets of pads that I've done this to. A good exercise on track days. I spend all my time on track days playing with tires and brakes. rears too. On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM, GSFuqua1 at aol.com wrote: > No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have > considered this > myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not > using them > for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. > > Comments???? Interested minds want to know. > > Cheers, > > Gary > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 12:48:42 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:48:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: FoT, Ishihara-Johnson is making a name for themselves in the crank scraper business. They now have scrapers and windage trays for Spitfires/Six Cylinder/Tr3/4. Optional is teflon wipers for almost zero clearance in wiping oil. I am going to order scraper and windage tray from them and have discussed a larger purchase. Who would like to participate in this one time order? I'll have cost figures after I get the level of interest. GT6 TR6 Spitfire TR3/4 Knowing their methods of manufacturing, lead time is unknown with a large order, but I will get schedule following a proposal to them. Excel Spreadsheet Time. Look at their website and try to determine if it has a benefit to you. I suspect that it has a good return on the investment. I have never made one because it is so labor intensive. Uncle Jack is standing down on his, because of the development time for so many combinations, and Ishihara-Johnson's list price looks quite good for the development that they must have in them. Your interest would not be construed as a committment to purchase. Name Car Make/Model Scraper Only Scraper and Windage Tray Teflon Option Thanks! Joe From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 13:25:33 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:25:33 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: Addendum: Specials can be done with various crank and rod configurations. It should be noted, if needed. (Thanks Russ!) > FoT, > > Ishihara-Johnson is making a name for themselves in the crank scraper > business. They now have scrapers and windage trays for Spitfires/Six > Cylinder/Tr3/4. > > Optional is teflon wipers for almost zero clearance in wiping oil. > > I am going to order scraper and windage tray from them and have discussed a > larger purchase. > > Who would like to participate in this one time order? I'll have cost > figures > after I get the level of interest. > > GT6 > TR6 > Spitfire > TR3/4 > > Knowing their methods of manufacturing, lead time is unknown with a large > order, but I will get schedule following a proposal to them. > > Excel Spreadsheet Time. Look at their website and try to determine if it > has > a benefit to you. I suspect that it has a good return on the investment. I > have never made one because it is so labor intensive. Uncle Jack is standing > down on his, because of the development time for so many combinations, and > Ishihara-Johnson's list price looks quite good for the development that they > must > have in them. Your interest would not be construed as a committment to > purchase. > > Name > Car Make/Model > Scraper Only > Scraper and Windage Tray > Teflon Option > > Thanks! > > Joe > > > > > __________________________________________ From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Apr 25 19:30:15 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:30:15 EDT Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson Message-ID: The Teflon Option is the leading choice so far. My first one will not have the Teflon, but that's because I have Chevy rods in one engine and I just want to evaluate it. Also, I'm getting strong positives on the use of them. I admire the devlopment effort they have put into these. They also have received support and encouragement from the FoT...no surprise there. Joe A > All, > > I just purchased a Teflon one for the spitfire. Great piece. I haven't > had a chance to fit it as it showed up after the massive engine explostion at > St. louis. http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher#100266&bgcolor=black&view=grid > > This will certainly be in the new lump. > > aaron > From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Fri Apr 25 20:05:05 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:05:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors References: <69DA2F8F-97AF-462E-94BD-FFB13AA45BC7@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002c01c8a741$f4e0dfb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi all, I tend to agree with Bill; the drilled and slotted or grooved rotors don't seem to be that much better than regular rotors. I'm not as experienced as a lot of you guys though. The only reason that I put them on is that they were with a bunch of items that I got from a friend. And look cool. As for getting rid of taper on the pads, I use a surface grinder. Works great. Bill Tobin Erie, PA TR6 Vintage (And yes, I've already entered the Glen race). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors > I assume they don't recommend them for racing because most sanctioning > bodies will ding you for them. I have a set on Peyote and several > times they were mentioned in tech though I was never excluded and no > one put a "fix" mention in my log book. Of course I was traveling from > track to track--if I was racing with just one group I suspect I would > have had to change them. > > If there is an advantage to them I sure can't feel it. The only reason > they are on Peyote is that they were available when my rotor broke up-- > I think it was at VIR or perhaps Elkheart. I think the way to get good > braking on a TR is to use good pads and break them in properly, then > make sure they aren't getting tapered as you use them. I use Kas' > method of grinding them flat in a drill press using a flat cup stone. > > Follow the manufacturers suggestions for break in, which usually is to > brake progressively harder several times, allowing cool off time > between applications of the bakes, then let everything cool off and > offgas before racing on the things. I tend to break in pads, then pull > them, look for even wear on the pads, then put them back in the box as > ready spares. I have about ten sets of pads that I've done this to. A > good exercise on track days. > > I spend all my time on track days playing with tires and brakes. rears > too. > > On Apr 25, 2008, at 8:00 AM, GSFuqua1 at aol.com wrote: > > > No, but I would sure be interested in the answers as I have > > considered this > > myself on my 63 TR 4. Sure don't understand the comment about not > > using them > > for racing. I thought that was more or less what they were made for. > > > > Comments???? Interested minds want to know. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > > used car > > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com > > Bill Babcock > Babcock & Jenkins > Billb at bnj.com > 503.936.7660 > www.bnj.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From srcypher at mac.com Fri Apr 25 22:13:13 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher (SpitfireRacer)) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:13:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TRIUMPH Crank Scrapers And Windage Trays - Ishihara-Johnson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01554A0B-8AB2-486A-9C65-B0FDAABD42B9@mac.com> I already have 2, both Teflon, one installed and in use; you could always get an additional Teflon strip if you change the rods or crank, and can re-profile.... I was the one who pushed him to get the spitfire scraper developed and also worked with him on a girdle for my spit....I even had ARP make special main studs so I clamp it all together... Pics of the setup are within my gallery link in my sig; same place as Aaron's lump; I'm hosting his pictures... Off to MARRS I regional race tomorrow at summit point; should be a good day; 6 other HP racers to play with... Thanks -S Scott Cypher SCCA #562573 HP Spitfire 1500 #57 Http://gallery.mac.com/srcypher From haretoday at comcast.net Sat Apr 26 01:00:50 2008 From: haretoday at comcast.net (haretoday at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:00:50 +0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> I would like to nominate Bob Scollard for induction into our group. His email is bobsc at teleport.com. Bob just completed his first weekend race with SOVREN in his '63 Spitfire through sleet, snow and even hail. And with my '63 that gives us two in the Northwest--alright!!! Thanks for your consideration, Steve Hare From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:31:32 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:31:32 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Targa Tazmania Day 2 GT6 Diary Message-ID: Peter Hall's Day 2 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/14/mftarga114.xml Pete Hall's Day 3 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/15/mftarga115.xml Kev Lynch From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:37:23 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:37:23 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 @ Targa Day 4 Message-ID: Pete Hall's Day 4 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/16/mftarga116.xml Kev Lynch From klynch_6 at msn.com Sat Apr 26 08:44:42 2008 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:44:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6's Targa Day 5 Message-ID: Pete's Day 5 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/17/mftarga117.xml Pete Hall's Day 6 entry: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=A1YourView&x ml=/motoring/2008/04/18/mftarga118.xml Kevin From triosan at gmail.com Sat Apr 26 09:16:39 2008 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 08:16:39 -0700 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> References: <042620080700.12978.4812D322000AE3B4000032B22216557996970E0B019B0A9D0E08@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0804260816r53ea5030wf506a66bc866c161@mail.gmail.com> I second that nomination. Imagine, SOVREN moved the event later in the year to get better weather! Week before it was 80, today a week later, it is 65. And it really did snow and sleet. My car was/is not ready so I just watched. On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:00 AM, wrote: > I would like to nominate Bob Scollard for induction into our group. His > email is > bobsc at teleport.com. Bob just completed his first weekend race with SOVREN > in his '63 Spitfire > through sleet, snow and even hail. And with my '63 that gives us two in > the Northwest--alright!!! > Thanks for your consideration, > Steve Hare > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as triosan at gmail.com > -- Chuck Arnold From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Apr 26 15:42:05 2008 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:42:05 GMT Subject: [Fot] EBC Turbo Groove Brake Rotors Message-ID: <20080426.174205.7776.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com> Bill, I know that you race with SCCA. Drilled and/or slotted rotors are not allowed in SCCA, unless the car was originally equipped with them. Joe(B) -- WEmery7451 at aol.com wrote: Dear FOT, Recently, we installed the TR-4 front suspension on the TR-3. The Roadster Factory seem to show only these fancy gold color grooved brake rotors for the TR-4 in their new catalogs. My thoughts were that these rotors would be an upgrade to the stock steel rotors. We started installing the grooved rotors wh en it was suddenly noticed in the manufacture's instructions: "Do not use these rotors for racing." My thoughts are how can these rotors be an upgrade if you can't race with them, and you can race with the steel rotors. The Roadster Factory representative recommended that I go ahead and use the grooved rotors, because they are much better than the steel rotors. My concern is that someone at Tech. Inspection might be familiar with the instructions for the grooved rotors and f ail the car. I ordered a new pair of the original steel brake rotors, and they are now on the car. Does anyone on the list have recommendations, thoughts, or opinions concerning these grooved rotors? ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jaboruch at netzero.net _____________________________________________________________ Internet Security Software - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijlZS6oghPEAvbYaAACc1tzYY EcyKkRD1X8BTlL1I9BXAfl9e/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 18:43:08 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:43:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Message-ID: FoT List: In less than a day I have an EXCEL Spreadsheet with (11) names. (5) Six Cylinder Engines and (6) Four Cylinder Engines. Half are the Fastest Triumph Drivers on the Planet, but the other half are reliability oriented folks who want to extract a little more HP that is available from their engines. Both Groups have intelligence. Mine is being fabricated now for shipment soon. I'll likely submit the FOT List, to Kevin Johnson at the end of next week. We will have to deal with some specials like Moldex Cranks and Chevy Rods, but we can take those one at a time. I also have a list of FIVE folks who already have purchased from I - J and have praise and pictures available. Not one complaint. Then there is one resounding endorsement from someone who would know best. Thanks! Joe A From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 19:06:13 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:06:13 EDT Subject: [Fot] 86mm LINERS Message-ID: FoT: It looks like we still need four good original 86mm liners for Tom Boggiano's Lo Performance-Hi Reliability TR4 Engine. Suitable for 87mm bore job. Can anyone help?...before I go to the big list. Thanks! Joe From spreiss at verizon.net Sat Apr 26 04:28:29 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:28:29 +1100 Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS References: Message-ID: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. The old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with copper kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! Manual says to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front seal housing be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is quite wavy when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to decide if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones are probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. Perhaps could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that looks like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had been tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck to the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized hunk of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had been soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with solder and it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? Crank end float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust washers? i am feeling overwhelmed! Many thanks in advance. Steve P.----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: spreiss at verizon.net Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Steve, List is $75 for scraper Add $100 for Teflon Zero Clearance Scraper Windage Tray is $150. Did I offer you a set of Pistons and then forget? I very possibly could do that. if I did, I apologize. I think they are sold. Regards, Joe Hi Joe What is the cost for TR4 with and witout teflon? Thanks Steve P. I take it you have sold the 87mm pistons? From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Apr 26 19:50:04 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:50:04 EDT Subject: [Fot] ISHIHARA-JOHNSON CRANK SCRAPERS Message-ID: Steve, We are assuming that you are going to do a complete engine rebuild? To what level of performance, starting with cam? Joe > I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. > The old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with > copper kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! > Manual says to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front > seal housing be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is > quite wavy when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to > decide if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones > are probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. > Perhaps could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? > Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a > castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that looks > like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had been > tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck to > the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized hunk > of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had been > soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with solder and > it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? Crank end > float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust washers? i am > feeling overwhelmed! > Many thanks in advance. > Steve P.----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: N197TR4 at cs.com >> > From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Apr 26 21:18:59 2008 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:18:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Was Scrapers, now gifts in the oil pan In-Reply-To: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> References: <004a01c8a788$45b4d950$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <20080427031840.AB54C1878A6@autox.team.net> I'm ambivalent about the front block. If you think it's been installed for a long time and the cork is hardened it certainly doesn't hurt to replace the cork but I doubt that's the problem. It doesn't take as long as you think to beat the bolt holes back down. I do that probably every other rebuild. Timing cover is the same deal - just beat that back flat today. Actually, if you can dish them a little the other way, they'll pull up nicely when the pan is tightened. The pan gasket from Moss or British Parts Northwest is fine. Coat it thinly (I use my finger tip to apply) with high temp rtv silicone on both sides. I prefer the black version of that "form a gasket". One of the oil pan gasket sets (I probably bought it from Moss) includes the cork for the front block. The normal source of major leaks is the front seal or the rear main seal. The stuff in the pan is troubling and probably justifies a complete disassembly and cleaning. The oil pick up tube with attached screen is available from Moss, I think. Having crap circulate with the oil cause wear to the inside of the oil pump, to the main bearings, rod bearings and the crank. Even with great filters, there are bypass circuit(s) in the oil filter head that can allow the crap to bypass the oil filter, unfortunately. British Parts Northwest sells 0.005 oversize thrust washers - both sides are 0.005" oversize so it actually takes 0.010 out of the end float. You can use half a set of normal thrust washers and half a set of oversized. That's what I did. http://www.bpnorthwest.com/.sc/ms/dd/TR3-4A--Main%20Engine%20Components/7052/Thrust%20Washer%20Set%20TR3-4A Also, putting them in backwards is a great way to ruin a crank and block. Also, my hint for the day... When installing the cam and timing it to the crank, be sure you are using the INTAKE lobe instead of the exhaust lobe. It turns out that the valves interfere with popup pistons if you use the exhaust lobe by mistake. I'll be using another timing cover gasket and another head gasket tomorrow making that right. Luckily they interfered or I wouldn't have figured it out until after I put the engine in the car. Sheesh. And the cam timing went so quickly - I was feeling like superman. - Tony At 05:28 AM 4/26/2008, Steven Preiss wrote: >I just pulled the pan on my 3/4 to replace the chronically leaking gasket. The >old gasket was squeezed paper thin and had been stuck to the block with copper >kote. Ugh! Can't remember the last time I came accross that stuff! Manual says >to coat gasket with grease. Any insights, you'all? Must the front seal housing >be removed and cork tabs be replaced as well? The pan flange is quite wavy >when I sight down it, from years of overtightened I reckon. Trying to decide >if its worth it to go at it with a hammer and drift. All used ones are >probably the same. French's alum pans are $500. Would be nice though. Perhaps >could credit the cost of installing an oil cooler? >Found a 3/4"scallop of liner skirt in the bottom of the pan, probably a >castaway from a previously thrown rod, along with a 2" diameter magnet that >looks like a thick washer. It is all chewed up around the edges as if it had >been tossed around and beat on by the rod caps. Lots of magnetic gravel stuck >to the bottom of the pan. Somebodies idea of a cruel joke? Also a pea sized >hunk of solder. The oil pickup screen has a hole on the bottom where it had >been soldered to the armature. Looks like someone tried to patch it with >solder and it came loose. Now a hole right at the point of pickup. Ideas? >Crank end float measures .012. Anyone know where to get oversized thrust >washers? i am feeling overwhelmed! >Many thanks in advance. >Steve P. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 27 07:59:17 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner Message-ID: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> AMICI I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was 'county' from one of the big three. So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, stainless steel, etc. Thanks Dennis DeLap From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Apr 27 08:28:42 2008 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:28:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] The Red Rocket... Message-ID: Amici... The June 2008 issue of TRIUMPH WORLD arrive yesterday, and includes a great article by Andy Willsheer about our own Ken Gillanders (British Frame & Engine) and his 1955 Triumph TR2. Anyone familiar with this car knows its storied history which includes rallies and drag racing. That latter career was legendary. It was a Giant Killer. Now dressed out in street trim, it looks like a trailer queen, but be advised Red Rocket is a better moniker. There is also a short, but nice piece on Joe Alexander, Alexander Racing Enterprises and the 'AMBRO PROJECT.' I am only about a third into the issue. There's some other good stuff too, including an article by Paul Richardson about a couple of Peters (you should excuse the expression)...Clarke and Cox, and a near death experience racing Spitfires on twisty Italian roads. Bill Dentinger ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) From budscars at comcast.net Sun Apr 27 14:42:23 2008 From: budscars at comcast.net (RACER BUD) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:42:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003f01c8a8a7$336263b0$0701000a@Bud> Hi Dennis..I have 10 timing chain tensioners on Ebay...all 10 for 9.95, with a buy it now of 14.99..they didn't sell the 1st time.. I believe 2 or 3 are tr4 item listing 360047170108 my ebay user name is budscarco ...hope all is well with you Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis DeLap" To: "FOT" Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:59 AM Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner > AMICI > > I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. > In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower > than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed > that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure > enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse > curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. > > Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner > was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was > 'county' from one of the big three. > > So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, > stainless steel, etc. > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as budscars at comcast.net From jibjib at att.net Sun Apr 27 14:51:52 2008 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 13:51:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner In-Reply-To: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000301c8a8a8$8681ba40$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Dennis, Right after I rebuilt my street/AutoX TR3, a while back, I found out that Greg Solow was selling hardened (chrome plated?) tensioners. I'd also be a tad concerned that yours failed so fast. It may be indicative of more than just a bad tensioner. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jibjib=att.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dennis DeLap Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 6:59 AM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner AMICI I am looking for a good timing chain tensioner for my TR4. In the morning session last Saturday at VIR I started getting some lower than normal oil pressure readings. The Oberg filter reading confirmed that I had what looked like chunks of spring steel in the system. Sure enough - after exploratory surgery this weekend - I found that the reverse curved end of the chain tensioner had broken off. You can guess the rest. Anyway - this was only the third weekend on this engine and the tensioner was new when I put it together last fall. Pretty sure the tensioner was 'county' from one of the big three. So - anyone have a source for a better product, or a good old used one, stainless steel, etc. Thanks Dennis DeLap Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as jibjib at att.net From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 27 16:55:02 2008 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:55:02 -0400 Subject: [Fot] NATC 2008 and Waterford Hills Vintage Message-ID: Amici, If you intend to attend NATC 2008 in Ypsilanti, Michigan, I have learned that there will be a vintage race at Waterford Hills the weekend prior. I am not sure who the sanctioning body is, but here is the information and entry link. http://www.waterfordhills.com/results/50thentry.pdf Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Apr 28 07:29:47 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 09:29:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Kas' Latest Book-Racing Winning & Other Myths Page 108 Message-ID: Good morning! Pull Kas' book out of the bookcase and go to page 108. Windage Trays and Crank Scrapers "Good Gains in Power and Reliability" Ishihara-Jackson crank-scrapers.com Or buy the book and read it. Kas still has some left.... I am putting together a Group Order for Trays and Scrapers. I have an Excel Spreadsheet for 17 Systems as of this morning. I'd like to wrap it up by Wednesday and submit it by Friday. Last Call Today. Discounting is under discussion. I am ordering one system with Scraper and Windage Tray....and a second one when I get a handle on what the AMBRO needs. Retail is about: $75 for close tolerance Scraper $100 add on for ZERO CLEARANCE TEFLON (OPTION) $150 for four cylinder Windage Tray $300 for six cylinder Windage Tray (complex assembly with doors and frame) Joe A From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Apr 28 09:06:38 2008 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TimingChainTensioner In-Reply-To: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <969690.70318.qm@web81706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, While we're on the topic of "kool projects", I'd LOVE to see anything related to putting a modern _teflon_ chanin tensioner in my timing cover. The spring steel thing seems to be a weak spot on our engines. I know other FOT's have done the teflon guide thing... details? rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang NER/SCCA | This space for rent Solo Chair 2008 TR6 40 F Prepared | Triumph! Voice:781-438-2568 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tarch at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 28 17:52:59 2008 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:52:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment Message-ID: <001001c8a98a$fda29210$8701a8c0@richardiipc> The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the winter. Too long on the lift I guess. Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? Richard Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE 112 Krog St. Suite 196 Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 tel: (404) 223-1313 fax: (404) 223-1312 mobile: (404) 660-4920 www.taylor-architecture.com From dave at microworks.net Mon Apr 28 18:26:10 2008 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] The Red Rocket... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080429002628.OZBP7113.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I was just going through our Club's video archive (VHS) this weekend and capturing the video to burn to DVD and on the last section of the last tape that I was capturing has Ken featured with his car pretty prominently while it was being judged at a small show. The judges were jokingly "ripping" on him for having the boot hinges painted red rather then being chrome. The end of the video segment has the "Red Rocket" driving next to the car with the camera down the freeway with Ken in the passengers seat. The video is from about 1984. At 07:28 AM 4/27/2008, you wrote: >Amici... > >The June 2008 issue of TRIUMPH WORLD arrive yesterday, and includes a great >article by Andy Willsheer about our own Ken Gillanders (British >Frame & Engine) >and his 1955 Triumph TR2. Anyone familiar with this car knows its storied >history which includes rallies and drag racing. That latter career was >legendary. It was a Giant Killer. Now dressed out in street trim, >it looks like a >trailer queen, but be advised Red Rocket is a better moniker. > >There is also a short, but nice piece on Joe Alexander, Alexander Racing >Enterprises and the 'AMBRO PROJECT.' > >I am only about a third into the issue. There's some other good stuff too, >including an article by Paul Richardson about a couple of Peters (you should >excuse the expression)...Clarke and Cox, and a near death experience racing >Spitfires on twisty Italian roads. > >Bill Dentinger > > > >************** >Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used >car listings at AOL Autos. > >(http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > >You are subscribed as dave at microworks.net From spreiss at verizon.net Mon Apr 28 04:55:52 2008 From: spreiss at verizon.net (Steven Preiss) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:55:52 +1100 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment References: <001001c8a98a$fda29210$8701a8c0@richardiipc> Message-ID: <003a01c8a91e$6d9eb610$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Next winter, flip it over, tie some heavy rope to the frame at the lift points, get some friends together and and hoist it up from the garage joists. (You may want to sister them first.) This method has always proven effective for me. Good luck! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment > The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the winter. Too > long on the lift I guess. > > > > Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? > > > > Richard > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net From norlinengineering at comcast.net Mon Apr 28 20:41:03 2008 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:41:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment In-Reply-To: <003a01c8a91e$6d9eb610$2b01a8c0@stevenhgi8vu27> Message-ID: <001901c8a9a2$782adc10$020ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> None of this may apply to the TR4, but when I first got the Spitfire I am currently racing, the door gaps were between 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 inches at the top. This was the result of a previous owner cutting the meager rear body supports over the rear axle to allow the roll cage to be welded directly to the frame, adding a fuel cell and big Diehard battery to the trunk floor and then driving over the curbs and off course a lot. During the ground up rebuild, I mounted the body on the frame, cut off the outer rocker panels, pulled the front and rear cowl's together with ratchet straps and 2x4's and then welded on the new rockers. I also added some small, adjustable body mounts between the rear trunk floor (what's left of it) and the new fuel cell/battery subframe that is bolted directly to the frame. This spring, I actually had to adjust the door pins closer together. I think the gap is actually shrinking a bit. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven Preiss Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 3:56 AM To: Richard Taylor Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Body Adjustment Next winter, flip it over, tie some heavy rope to the frame at the lift points, get some friends together and and hoist it up from the garage joists. (You may want to sister them first.) This method has always proven effective for me. Good luck! Steve P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Taylor" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: [Fot] Body Adjustment > The gap at the latch end of my TR-4 seems to have grown over the > winter. Too > long on the lift I guess. > > > > Is there a drill for adjusting end gap on a door? > > > > Richard > > > > Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA > > TAYLOR ARCHITECTURE > > t.+++Suite+196&csz=Atlanta,+Georgia&country=us> 112 Krog St. Suite > 196 > Atlanta, Georgia, 30307 > > tel: > 04)+223-1313&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 > > fax: (404) 223-1312 > > mobile: > 04)+660-4920&Email=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 > > > www.taylor-architecture.com > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as spreiss at verizon.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot You are subscribed as norlinengineering at comcast.net From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 29 06:39:14 2008 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: <955991.71514.qm@web81707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road America? Thanks Dennis DeLap From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Apr 29 06:45:41 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:45:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: In a message dated 4/29/2008 7:40:27 AM Central Daylight Time, yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road > America? > > Thanks > Dennis DeLap > Make that two, if possible. Joe A From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Apr 29 06:50:19 2008 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:50:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: <042920081250.2102.4817198B00089431000008362207021573970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: N197TR4 at cs.com > In a message dated 4/29/2008 7:40:27 AM Central Daylight Time, > yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes: > > > > Hello all - anyone have an extra crew pass for the SVRA May event at Road > > America? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis DeLap > > > > Make that two, if possible. I guess I need to be added to that list as well. Irv Korey From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Apr 29 07:03:23 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:03:23 EDT Subject: [Fot] Crew Message-ID: If you want to help monitor the pits during the enduros and perhaps help at tech, we will gladly give you credentials. 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Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" From jdment at suddenlink.net Wed Apr 30 20:02:17 2008 From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:02:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine Message-ID: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small prototype Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). I don't need a Bridgeport. I have 220v single phase in my garage. What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power feed? Thanks Jim McAndrew Tyler, Texas From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 30 20:48:58 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:48:58 -1000 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine In-Reply-To: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <438DC450-6FC8-4CC5-9FDC-E65620D97053@bnj.com> I like my shoptask machine--combination lathe/mill/drill press. Their new versions are called the Patriot--funny spin for a chinese machine-- painted red white and blue. That's about the only thing american about it, but that's the way the world spins. the new version is five grand and looks a lot nicer than mine. You can add CRC, DRO and ball screw options and increase the price substantially but not absurdly. the tooling is very reasonable, and they have about everything. Tapers are standard so most stuff from other manufacturers works just fine. It's not a lightweight mini kind of deal. The unit weighs about 1500 pounds, it you put it on a second floor you might want to rope off underneath it. On Apr 30, 2008, at 4:02 PM, James McAndrew wrote: > I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. > > > > I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small > prototype > Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). > > > > I don't need a Bridgeport. > > > > I have 220v single phase in my garage. > > > > What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power > feed? > > > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > > Tyler, Texas > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com From william.tobin3 at verizon.net Wed Apr 30 21:22:05 2008 From: william.tobin3 at verizon.net (WILLIAM TOBIN) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:22:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> Message-ID: <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Hi, this is along the lines of discusion about automotive lifts of a few weeks ago. You need one. Go for the Bridgeport, with digital readout and power feed. Yeah, the Griz or Jet or Enco are ok, but you can get a used Bridgeport (or Clausing or other brands) for about the same money and it will outlast the lesser brands. Plus, was made in Conn.or somewhere domestically and parts or accessories are readily available. I have an Index brand milling machine, built in 1944; I have the original mfr. documents. War Dept OK'd! It's smooth as silk and much more accurate than I'll ever be. (Before I bought it, I'd never run one!) I also have a Rutland brand import; works ok but not a Bridgeport. Probably came from the same factory as the Enco, etc. I have a couple sources for used equipment; give me a shout and I'll give you details. And no I don't have a financial interest in them. Just trying to help. Hope this helps; my 2 francs worth. Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie Pa Vintage TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "James McAndrew" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine > I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. > > > > I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small prototype > Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). > > > > I don't need a Bridgeport. > > > > I have 220v single phase in my garage. > > > > What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power feed? > > > > Thanks > > Jim McAndrew > > Tyler, Texas > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net From Billb at bnj.com Wed Apr 30 22:20:30 2008 From: Billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:20:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine In-Reply-To: <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> References: <000c01c8ab2f$62666730$6901a8c0@dogrun> <00e101c8ab3a$8be14bb0$2f01a8c0@ownereq69gs6ae> Message-ID: <82D103E7-4792-4343-AA96-89FDFE16F7DD@bnj.com> I agree that the american or german made machines are worth the bucks and better used than the chinese stuff is new, but I've found this shoptask machine to be pretty handy for my middling skills--the little I remember from machine shop class in High School reinforced with a bunch of skimmed books. I think it takes about three years of serious effort to be a machinist of any quality and ten years and some talent before you really know what you're doing. Used to be a lot of used good machinery around, and I had a friend that sold the stuff. When I finally had space to put together a machine shop he was out of biz--told me the sources of used equipment had pretty much dried up and the available stuff was junk. Kind of makes sense--when every little town had a machine shop the equipment moved around a lot. Most of those small shops are gone, and the gear serious people buy today is for lights out machining. When one of those operations goes BK there's nothing us regular folks can use. I spent a lot of time perusing eBay and other sources before I bought my shoptask. I gave up. On Apr 30, 2008, at 5:22 PM, WILLIAM TOBIN wrote: > Hi, this is along the lines of discusion about automotive lifts of a > few > weeks ago. You need one. > Go for the Bridgeport, with digital readout and power feed. Yeah, > the Griz > or Jet or Enco are ok, but you can get a used Bridgeport (or > Clausing or > other brands) for about the same money and it will outlast the lesser > brands. Plus, was made in Conn.or somewhere domestically and parts or > accessories are readily available. > I have an Index brand milling machine, built in 1944; I have the > original > mfr. documents. War Dept OK'd! It's smooth as silk and much more > accurate > than I'll ever be. (Before I bought it, I'd never run one!) > I also have a Rutland brand import; works ok but not a Bridgeport. > Probably > came from the same factory as the Enco, etc. > I have a couple sources for used equipment; give me a shout and I'll > give > you details. And no I don't have a financial interest in them. Just > trying > to help. > Hope this helps; my 2 francs worth. > Thanks, Bill Tobin Erie Pa Vintage TR6 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James McAndrew" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:02 PM > Subject: [Fot] OT Milling machine > > >> I need advice from the incredible fund of knowledge of the FOT. >> >> >> >> I'm looking into buying a small milling machine (to make small >> prototype >> Triumph parts- okay now I'm back on topic). >> >> >> >> I don't need a Bridgeport. >> >> >> >> I have 220v single phase in my garage. >> >> >> >> What should I get? Jet? Grizzly? Do I need digital readout? Power >> feed? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim McAndrew >> >> Tyler, Texas >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> You are subscribed as william.tobin3 at verizon.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > You are subscribed as billb at bnj.com Bill Babcock Babcock & Jenkins Billb at bnj.com 503.936.7660 www.bnj.com