[Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008

Sun Oct 14 11:38:15 MDT 2007

Well said. I'd like to forward this to the general email list of  
SOVREN, since we're going through some of the same issues. I  
initially came down in favor of changing our eligibility to 1972, but  
I've been convinced by this and other arguments that remaining with  
1968 is the right thing to do.

On Oct 9, 2007, at 9:43 PM, <dos_gusanos at msn.com>  
<dos_gusanos at msn.com> wrote:

>      Man, a lot has been said here, as I see it the Kastner Cup  
> stands on its
> own.  If you love to get together with all the other Triumph Nuts,  
> you should
> go.  The playing field will never be level and the victory must  
> exist in one's
> mind through your own participation.  I finished last at the all  
> Elva race,
> and was thrilled just to have overcome all the hurdles that stood  
> in my way
> just to get the car together and get there.
>      When I started vintage racing in 1986, I had the pleasure to  
> share the
> track in my TR3 with real Cobras, Cunningham C4R's and lots of  
> other cool
> cars.  Now the prospects of racing with IT 240z refugees just  
> doesn't hold the
> same appeal.  (say that real fast)  Our local club just "expanded  
> eligibility"
> to 1980.  As I read the rule change, it included cars like Honda  
> Civic which
> was done purely out of the convenience that there are a couple in  
> town that
> want to show up and race.  This sounds like a true expansion rather  
> than a
> continuation policy, I support niether.
>      General Racing puts their events together fairly well pairing  
> period
> prepared cars with other cars from their period.  You would not see  
> the Group
> 44 TR6 pass the Bolton-Rothschild TR4 at a General Racing event  
> because they
> never shared the track with each other back in the day.  Just check  
> out the
> video that Kas forwarded the other day of the 1971 runoffs.  First  
> thing the
> announcer touts is that the amatuers are gone and this race will be  
> among
> professionals.  Then it looks like a Spec 240Z race except for the  
> TR6 hanging
> in there.  These cars are a whole different breed from cars 6 or 7  
> years
> earlier that were still racing on wire wheels, maybe even being  
> street driven.
>      The future of Vintage Racing from my point of view is rather  
> bleak as the
> prices of cars from the vintage period increase, and folks who  
> remember the
> Vintage Period for what it was die off.  Organizers of current  
> vintage events
> who have strayed from the pre '67 formula are desperately trying to  
> fill their
> grids with cars from the seventies, the period where amatuer road  
> racing died,
> and finding there is little more enthusiasm for these Nerd Cars  
> now, as there
> was back then.  Some clubs that have stuck with a hard line on the  
> Vintage
> cutoff dates, like CSRG, appear to be still doing well and I hope to
> participate with all their cool 50's and 60's cars next year.
>
> OBEY THE '67 GCR!!!!!!!
>
> Cheers,
> Henry Morrison
> Albuquerque, NM
>
> By the way, anybody going to Vegas?
>
>
>> To: fot at autox.team.net> From: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Mon,  
>> 8 Oct
> 2007 22:13:16 -0600> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS  
> GLEN 2008>
>> Begin forwarded message:> > > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer"
> <lunkercars at earthlink.net>> > Date: October 8, 2007 10:11:14 PM  
> MDT> > To: FOT
> <fot at autox.team.net>> > Subject: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE -  
> WATKINS GLEN
> 2008> >> >>> >> FoTers,> >> I think Henry Morrison will be as  
> surprised as I,
> to find myself > >> basically siding with him, as we've have had this
> discussion > >> several times before. However... Personally, I  
> encourage
> expanded > >> eligibility for the sake of including later cars for  
> bigger
> grids. > >> A 1980 Spit for example, has no specific advantage to a  
> earlier >
>>> car as long as it is prepped to a specific GCR.> >> Regarding  
>>> your car
> Keith, and with no disrespect as for it's high > >> level of  
> preparation,
> wouldn't it be more concise to list what it > >> DID leave the  
> factory with?
> To me " All original steel panels > >> except for GRP hood, trunk  
> lid, drivers
> door, all 4 wings and > >> hardtop " is like saying " all original  
> car except
> for body, > >> frame, engine and transmission". I don't even know  
> what GRP is
>>>> [glass, resin, something?] but it sounds light to me! As for the  
>>>> > >>
> rest, over here, "trick", pertaining to racing, means state of > >>  
> the art
> [which your car sounds to be] - not> >> "an act or scheme to out  
> whit or
> deceive" {Webster}> >> I guess I don't really understand what the  
> Kastner Cup
> is based on > >> - Someone please enlighten me. Again, no  
> disrespect aimed at
>>>> anyone, but when I went to Miller for the K.C. this year, I > >>  
>>>> actually
> removed my drilled rotors [of dubious benefit] so there > >> would  
> be no
> question as to "The Spirit of Vintage". My set of dual > >> Webers  
> were and
> are on the shelf for the same reason. I have a > >> welder but  
> won't use it to
> "improve" my diff for the same reason.> >> Most of the cars I raced  
> with in
> Utah were from VARA who's rules > >> read:> >>> >> Engine:> >>> >>  
> Same
> type/size as year of manufacture (0.060" overbore limit).> >>  
> Period correct
> roller rocker arms are ok. No stud girdles. > >> Compression Ratio  
> is limited
> to 10 to 1 maximum unless it can be > >> documented as higher from  
> the factory
> as delivered for street > >> use. Block and heads must be OEM and  
> period
> correct. No aluminum > >> flywheels. No dry sump oiling systems unless
> originally sold as > >> such. Oil coolers and radiators are free  
> but must not
> conflict > >> with stock type appearance of body.> >>> >>> >>  
> Carburetion:> >>
> Stock carb size and make per model series (same mfg & venturi > >>  
> count). No
> Weber DCOE sidedrafts where not originally equipped.> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------  
> > >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------  
> > >>
> ---------------------> >>> >> Sorry guys, but I didn't see any cars in
> compliance with the > >> exception of mine. And Nostalgia [host  
> club] is even
> more strict > >> [?] than VARA. The Kastner Cup race winning TR6  
> was [as
> graciously > >> stated be the owner/driver] prepared to within an  
> inch of it's
>>>> life to SCCA specs. It also took a overall 1st in our run group  
>>>> > >>
> [small bore - B]. If it wasn't for our "special" K.C. race, I > >>  
> doubt if
> Nostalgia would have allowed the car in a vintage event - > >> not  
> really fair
> to the others.> >> Based on the recent discussion, I don't see how  
> my Vintage
> prepped > >> TR4 could possibly be competitive. Looks like my plans  
> to attend
>>>> Watkings Glen have changed - unless someone can promise rain!>  
>>>> >> Greg
> "Lunker" Hilyer> >> TR4 #314> >> Albuquerque N.M.>
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