[Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008

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Amici
 
    One of the underlying fundamental reasons why there  are many different 
sanctioning organizations is that there is no consensus  on vintage preparation 
standards. Further, reflected in the differing  standards is a fundamental 
difference in philosophy about the preparation of  cars for racing. And even 
further, there is even more basic difference of  philosophy about cars 
themselves; General racing for example has typically only  included cars that have a 
real race history. 
 
    On one extreme, we have only cars with an actual  race history that 
supposedly is prepared to the same specifications as when they  were raced and on 
opposite end is newly constructed race cars utilizing new  technology. For FOT 
to have an event, it means that a compromise has to be  reached to allow these 
cars to compete together. 
 
    Philosophically, there is also a very big  difference between drivers. On 
one extreme there are people who simply want to  have fun driving as fast as 
they can with their car and the opposite extreme of  someone who wants to win 
a competition. It would seem that we should have an  agreement amongst FOT for 
those who want to compete as to the level  of preparation allowed, a sort 
very basic of FOT GRC for the Kastner Cup  that preferably references an already 
existing GRC. If you are in not in  compliance, you simply are not eligible - 
but you can go on the track (if  accepted by SVRA) to have fun driving your 
car. 
 
    Thanks for listening, Cary
 
     
    
 
          
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/8/2007 9:13:38 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
lunkercars at earthlink.net writes:

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> From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer"  <lunkercars at earthlink.net>
> Date: October 8, 2007 10:11:14 PM  MDT
> To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [Fot] KASTNER  CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN  2008
>
>>
>>  FoTers,
>> I think Henry Morrison will be as surprised as I, to find  myself  
>> basically siding with him, as we've have had this  discussion  
>> several times before. However... Personally, I  encourage expanded  
>> eligibility for the sake of including  later cars for bigger grids.  
>> A 1980 Spit for example, has  no specific advantage to a earlier  
>> car as long as it is  prepped to a specific GCR.
>> Regarding your car Keith, and with no  disrespect as for it's high  
>> level of preparation, wouldn't  it be more concise to list what it  
>> DID leave the factory  with? To me " All original steel panels  
>> except for GRP  hood, trunk lid, drivers door, all 4 wings and  
>> hardtop " is  like saying " all original car except for body,  
>> frame,  engine and transmission". I don't even know what GRP is  
>>  [glass, resin, something?] but it sounds light to me!  As for the   
>> rest, over here, "trick",  pertaining to racing, means state  of  
>> the art [which your car sounds to be] - not
>>  "an act or scheme to out whit or deceive" {Webster}
>> I guess I  don't really understand what the Kastner Cup is based on  
>> -  Someone please enlighten me. Again, no disrespect aimed at  
>>  anyone, but when I went to Miller for the K.C. this year, I  
>>  actually removed my drilled rotors [of dubious benefit] so there   
>> would be no question as to "The Spirit of Vintage". My set of  dual  
>> Webers were and are on the shelf for  the same  reason. I have a  
>> welder but won't use it to "improve" my  diff for the same reason.
>> Most of the cars I raced with in Utah  were from VARA who's rules  
>> read:
>>
>>  Engine:
>>
>> Same type/size as year of manufacture (0.060"  overbore limit).
>> Period correct roller rocker arms are ok.   No stud girdles.   
>> Compression Ratio is limited to 10  to 1 maximum unless it can be  
>> documented as higher from the  factory as delivered for street  
>> use.  Block and heads  must be OEM and period correct.  No aluminum  
>>  flywheels.  No dry sump oiling systems unless originally sold as   
>> such. Oil coolers and radiators are free but must not  conflict  
>> with stock type appearance of  body.
>>
>>
>> Carburetion:
>> Stock carb  size and make per model series (same mfg & venturi  
>>  count).  No Weber DCOE sidedrafts where not originally  equipped.
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>>
>> Sorry guys, but I  didn't see any cars in compliance with the  
>> exception of  mine. And Nostalgia [host club] is even more strict  
>> [?]  than VARA. The Kastner Cup race winning TR6 was [as graciously   
>> stated be the owner/driver] prepared to within an inch of  it's  
>> life to SCCA specs. It also took a overall 1st in our  run group  
>> [small bore - B]. If it wasn't for our "special"  K.C. race, I  
>> doubt if Nostalgia would have allowed the car  in a vintage event -  
>> not really fair to the  others.
>> Based on the recent discussion, I don't see how my Vintage  prepped  
>> TR4 could possibly be competitive. Looks like my  plans to attend  
>> Watkings Glen have changed - unless someone  can promise rain!
>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
>> TR4  #314
>> Albuquerque  N.M.
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