[Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008

[Steven Groh]

I have to pipe in here.  I am one of those who moved their car into 
compliance.  Having just spent $2,800 after a ton of searching to replace my 
non-conforming fiberglass Spitfire bonnet (in compliance with HSR and VARA, 
by the way) for a steel bonnet so that I would be in compliance with SVRA's 
rules, I would definitely NOT be happy if the rules were not uniformly 
applied or were arbitrarily applied.  A governing body of technical experts 
enforcing the rules is one reason I joined SVRA.  I think this would further 
open a flood gate of exceptions.  Secondly, this is the Zippo GP for crying 
out loud.  If any event should have vintage rules enforced, it should be 
this one.

I'm all for a comprehensive Triumph meet, and with all countries 
represented, too.  I just don't think SVRA and the Glen are the right 
combination for this.  How about a "non-championship" looser-format event 
with VARAC at Mosport?  Or HSR at Road Atlanta?  Or some other sanctioning 
body at the Glen?  Then I'll put the glass bonnet back on and join the fun.

Steve Groh
SVRA #393
63 Spitfire


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>; <JWoesvra at aol.com>; 
<jaxonracing at yahoo.com>; <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; 
<emanteno at comcast.net>; <sgroh1 at comcast.net>; 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008


> Basic "visiting firemen" courtesy though to let the Brits run. It's a 
> common problem in vintage racing of all stripes.
>
> When I helped put on the Columbia River Classic race with SOVREN I  was 
> pestering the competition committee to grant a waiver for some  cars so we 
> could get a bunch of non-conforming cars to run--it was a  small event 
> that we wanted to grow, and there are a lot of cars in  Portland and 
> Northern California that meet SCCA requirements but not  SOVREN. They said 
> there's no way we will grant a waiver, but we don't  prevent people from 
> running their cars when they first want to run  with us. Have them enter 
> and give us an honest description of their  cars. We'll consult with them 
> during tech and point out the non- conforming elements. As long as they 
> make progress toward bringing  their cars into conformance then we'll work 
> with them."
>
> I thought that was a pretty masterful way to include people in the  event 
> and move them towards full participation. And in fact many of  the guys 
> here have started or even completely moved their cars into  conformance. 
> It was interesting to note that the non-conforming cars  had no apparent 
> competitive advantage. They got waxed by the regulars.
>
> I don't know if that's a way that the SVRA would agree to work, but  it 
> seems inclusion and ultimate correction is a more constructive  policy 
> than exclusion.
>
>
> On Oct 2, 2007, at 8:12 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:
>
>> Yes, you have a point.  The guys from England are a great group but  they 
>> do
>> not recognize our view and recognition of "Vintage".
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mike Munson" <fasttrs at mindspring.com>
>> To: <JWoesvra at aol.com>; <jaxonracing at yahoo.com>;  <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>;
>> <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <sgroh1 at comcast.net>;
>> <westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008
>>
>>
>>> Well I guess that will leave me and a few others out. I don't quite
>>> understand it however. The car that won in Oklahoma ran with 45 mm  fuel
>>> injection where I have to run Webers with 28 mm chokes. It also  weighs
>>> 1900
>>> pounds where my car has to weigh 2190.
>>> I am not complaining, just pointing out the fact that some vintage
>>> organizations throughout the country allow you to prepare the car  to a
>>> higher level than what SCCA does.
>>>
>>> The cars from England are another story altogether.
>>>
>>> Mike Munson
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] KASTNER CUP CHALLENGE - WATKINS GLEN 2008
>>>
>>> In a message dated 10/2/2007 5:57:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> jaxonracing at yahoo.com writes:
>>>
>>> Can  currently classified SCCA cars run in this event?  Is there a 
>>> class
>>> within the run group that will support my car?  My spit is  prepared and
>>> run
>>>
>>> under current SCCA regulations.
>>>
>>>
>>> We will only be accepting cars that are prepared to the accepted 
>>> vintage
>>> standards.
>>>
>>> The only exceptions might be SCCA cars that have won a national
>>> championship
>>> and are still in the configuration that they were in at that  time.
>>>
>>> Jack Woehrle
>>> SVRA Technical Director
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