From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 06:48:20 2007
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor
In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <540250.78765.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, guys, that works really well. I did that for years with my Spitfire racecar and had no problems. Cheers, Ed.

riverside <riverside at cedar-rapids.net> wrote:  I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that
dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any
kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting
was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned
off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign
switch thrown to the on position.
Anybody ever try that?
Henry's getting pretty close!!

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" 

To: "FOT" 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor


> Dear Listers,
>
> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical
> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: -
>
> a) Initial timing used
>
> b) Total mechanical advance used
>
> c) What RPM total advance is achieved
>
>
>
> Thank you for your assistance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue May  1 09:39:07 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:39:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
Message-ID: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>

I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom is
there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat treating,
quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as any
experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue May  1 09:58:28 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

And what's the right hardness for lifters/tappets/cam followers?  Is
70RC too hard, just right?

When I bought a set of Spitfire lifters recently from APT, they told me
that they're hardness testing each batch they get and that the batch out
of which I bought a set were at 70 or so  (I can't recall specifically,
70..71...whatever it takes...)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:39 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
Importance: Low

I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but
seldom is there any mention of technical specification, such as
hardness, heat treating, quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have
received from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as
any experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May  1 13:40:36 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:40:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
References: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8C95A3FB9A13C5C-1BAC-1D8A@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com>

Have your old ones re-surfaced.  Hardness should be around HRC 58 minimum, and there is plenty of stock to re-grind the face, as long as the grinder doesn't get carried away.  Usually around $3 per lifter from a reputable cam grinder.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire Racer
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers


I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom is
there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat treating,
quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as any
experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  1 14:07:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:07:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <194B3127-F882-4570-9686-3AF68ACC8A63@bnj.com>

I'm not a metallurgist, and I don't even play one on TV, but I don't  
think there's an upper limit for how hard you'd like these things to  
be other than the potential for them shattering. My ceramic lifters  
are harder than you can probably make steel, and they have marvelous  
wear characteristics--both for the lifters and the cam.

Now if I could just remember who I got them from. They are absurdly  
expensive, but I'd have to say worth it so far. No detectable wear on  
either the lifters or the cam after two hard seasons. I've never seen  
that before. There's always some wear or some surface cracking.
Bill Babcock
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On May 1, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> And what's the right hardness for lifters/tappets/cam followers?  Is
> 70RC too hard, just right?
>
> When I bought a set of Spitfire lifters recently from APT, they  
> told me
> that they're hardness testing each batch they get and that the  
> batch out
> of which I bought a set were at 70 or so  (I can't recall  
> specifically,
> 70..71...whatever it takes...)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [BULK] [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
> Importance: Low
>
> I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).
>
> Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.
>
> Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but
> seldom is there any mention of technical specification, such as
> hardness, heat treating, quality of original material...
>
> This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)
>
> Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.
>
> British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
> (Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)
>
> Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12
>
> Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)
>
> Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)
>
> Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12
>
> Rimmers: $84/set 12
>
> Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.
>
> The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12
>
> Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.
>
> My favorites at the moment are:
>
> Chris Witor's
> Goodparts'
> BPNW's
>
> Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have
> received from them, coupled with their product knowlege.
>
> I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as  
> well as
> any experiences with various cam followers fitted?
>
> Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lion
>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  1 18:16:29 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] groov-O-matic
Message-ID: <451275.10428.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - today the box from ISKYracing cams finally arrived UPS.  I was very excited!
  My groov-O-matic was finally here.  I had decided awhile ago that I was going to O-ring my own piston liners for my next engine build.  So over the course of the last couple of weeks I put an old race engine up on the stand and took it apart.  I've been measuring, honeing, cleaning, thinking about chevy rods, making trips to the machine shop, but really wanting to make some grooves.  I open the box this afternoon only to find no groov-O-matic, but instead some other Isky part with a very similar stock number.  Wow - did I freak.  A call to Isky eventually got me to Ron Iskenderian and the promise of a Friday groov-O-matic and a free T-shirt shipment via UPS.  Life in a small midwestern town!  Whew!
   
  I would like some help from the group on a more important issue - How sloppy can we run these 87mm piston liners.  Tell me - how much do you guys take off of these liners in a rebuild situation. 4 thou too much?  What's your take?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May  1 20:09:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:09:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Shirts
Message-ID: <cf8.cb8d733.33694cbd@cs.com>

FoT,

The response so far on FoT T-Shirts is sufficient to proceed.  But we need 
some more to make it worth Ted's time.

One observation is that it seems to be the usual suspects ordering these and 
involved.

There are over 250 folks on this list. There are no requirements for anyone 
to buy a T-shirt, but it is something that you can be proud of.

No hard sell here. It doesnt benefit me in anyway. And Ted has kicked back 
some cash to the FoT Fund so it's not a big moneymaker for him.

Marty Sukey may be the coordinator for shirt orders, but I dont think I have 
cleared that with him, yet. He is also looking after MOTRAH-007 shirts and 
promoting the Autocross at MOTRAH-007.  seems pretty busy, but there is no real 
deadline set on this effort.

Regards,

Joe (A) 



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May  1 20:43:32 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Stuff
Message-ID: <BAY123-F57C2DBF61A872479CFAC8BA420@phx.gbl>

Alright, since Joe outed me I might as well fess up. I volunteered to give 
Kermit a helping hand with the MOTRAH sales goodies. There are some neat 
Grill Badges, Posters and t-shirts made up for this years MOTRAH event. I 
believe I will have a table or something set up at the dinner friday night 
to pass out all the pre-ordered stuff. So you guys order something so I will 
have something to do other than sit there and drink beer. The server will 
probably strip off all the attachments about the products so if you are at 
all interested email me direct and i will email you back a pdf file. Also 
the Saturday autocross is coming together nicely. Not a real big field yet 
so there should be a bunch of runs available to us. If you have not signed 
up and are interested email me and i can get you the registration info. The 
autox is open to Triumph, Austin Healey and Morgans only. Any car from stock 
to full race.

And on the FOT t-shirts, aw what the hell, if Ted will put up with me again 
I would be happy to coordinate the order.

Marty Sukey



We have MOTRAH 007 event posters
18 X 28 inches printed on high quality stock.
And now, MOTRAH 007 T shirts
If you would like to order any of our memorabilia items in advance you can
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appropriate blanks, and

send with your check to:

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Please send the following items:

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From john at race-dogs.com  Tue May  1 21:14:06 2007
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
References: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
	<8C95A3FB9A13C5C-1BAC-1D8A@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c78c67$f1d07880$1f01a8c0@jawsxp>

I've used the BPNW ones and never had a issue- The ones I've gotten from 
them have also been drilled and hardened-
Don't know if they still carry those-
Will never use a set of Kent ones again!!
Good luck-

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP3
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chasgee at aol.com>
To: <Guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers


> Have your old ones re-surfaced.  Hardness should be around HRC 58 minimum, 
> and there is plenty of stock to re-grind the face, as long as the grinder 
> doesn't get carried away.  Usually around $3 per lifter from a reputable 
> cam grinder.
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire Racer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 8:39 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
>
>
> I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).
>
> Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.
>
> Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom 
> is
> there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat 
> treating,
> quality of original material...
>
> This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)
>
> Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.
>
> British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
> (Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)
>
> Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12
>
> Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)
>
> Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)
>
> Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12
>
> Rimmers: $84/set 12
>
> Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.
>
> The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12
>
> Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.
>
> My favorites at the moment are:
>
> Chris Witor's
> Goodparts'
> BPNW's
>
> Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
> from them, coupled with their product knowlege.
>
> I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as 
> any
> experiences with various cam followers fitted?
>
> Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lion
>
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From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue May  1 21:46:11 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:46:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire J Type OD parts needed.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1178042401.2613.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c78c6c$6d4280e0$6401a8c0@Guinan>

If anyone has a J-Type OD from a Spitfire that is otherwise useless -
internally trashed, broken case or something - I have a friend in Eastern
Iowa that is looking for some parts that did not come with a unit he
purchased.  Let me know your price, and I'll pass the info along.  Needed
parts;

UKC3600 - Top Cover
UKC2939 - Tower Assembly
TKC1305 - End Plate Cover
UKC2892 - Selector Shaft to Tower 
All the Speedo Drive and Cable parts.  

Thanks in advance...

Joe Guinan
751 Day Drive
Fremont, NE 68025
Home Phone - 402-727-8011
joeg at neb.rr.com

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May  1 22:04:11 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] H6 Dashpots
Message-ID: <005f01c78c6e$f0dc0230$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

While preping my TR4 for the next race, I noticed that the threads on the carb
dashpot are virtually worn smooth.  Obviously, the damper barely stays in
place.  Does anyone have a spare dashpot with threads they could part with?

One other item I found is that the tips of the dampers where the "C" washer
attaches, were almost completely worn away so that the washers fell off when I
lifted the dampers out of the dashpots.  New dampers are on order.

Thanks,

Gary
1962 TR4
1969 TR6

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May  2 06:23:30 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:23:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>

Marty Sukey has agreed to coordinate FOT Shirt Order. On top of other FoT 
Volunteerism.

Marty's E-mail is   trmarty at hotmail.com

I have a list of folks interested that I will forward to Marty, but it would 
be good to confirm with him, directly, on size and quantity and address.

Price needs to quoted. There could be as many as 50 ordered and this might 
impact the price. Ted can you give me a quote on that basis?

Thanks Marty & Ted!

Joe Alexander

BTW, You new guys need to wear the FoT 'coat of arms' as presented by Greg 
Petrolati on this quality T-Shirt.  Be part of the group.   </HTML>

From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Wed May  2 07:55:30 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:55:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FoT Shirts
Message-ID: <050220071355.24291.463898520003F8B100005EE32207021053CE08019D099C@comcast.net>

Joe/Marty/Ted,

Count me in for 2

Steve Groh
SVRA #393 63 Spitfire
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> FoT,
> 
> The response so far on FoT T-Shirts is sufficient to proceed.  But we need 
> some more to make it worth Ted's time.
> 
> One observation is that it seems to be the usual suspects ordering these and 
> involved.
> 
> There are over 250 folks on this list. There are no requirements for anyone 
> to buy a T-shirt, but it is something that you can be proud of.
> 
> No hard sell here. It doesnt benefit me in anyway. And Ted has kicked back 
> some cash to the FoT Fund so it's not a big moneymaker for him.
> 
> Marty Sukey may be the coordinator for shirt orders, but I dont think I have 
> cleared that with him, yet. He is also looking after MOTRAH-007 shirts and 
> promoting the Autocross at MOTRAH-007.  seems pretty busy, but there is no real 
> deadline set on this effort.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Joe (A) 
> 
> 
> 
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 10:30:30 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:30:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>
References: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>
Message-ID: <E65522D2-00FE-425D-88F2-A97A9159F21D@bnj.com>

As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of  
them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a  
designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I  
like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color  
other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a  
lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can  
get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey  
that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll  
have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and  
sure she'll appreciate it.

Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 5:23 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Marty Sukey has agreed to coordinate FOT Shirt Order. On top of  
> other FoT
> Volunteerism.
>
> Marty's E-mail is   trmarty at hotmail.com
>
> I have a list of folks interested that I will forward to Marty, but  
> it would
> be good to confirm with him, directly, on size and quantity and  
> address.
>
> Price needs to quoted. There could be as many as 50 ordered and  
> this might
> impact the price. Ted can you give me a quote on that basis?
>
> Thanks Marty & Ted!
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> BTW, You new guys need to wear the FoT 'coat of arms' as presented  
> by Greg
> Petrolati on this quality T-Shirt.  Be part of the group.   </HTML>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed May  2 10:56:31 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:56:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/02/2007 11:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of  
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a  
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I  
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color  
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a  
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can  
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey  
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll  
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and  
> sure she'll appreciate it.
> 

Not only that...buying one for the wife in an XL size makes sense as well.  
Oversized tee shirts make super 'Baby Doll' pajamas...and that's vintage 
terminology.  XL is a better size for pajamas.  More comfortable.  Easy to get out 
of...and the baggier size leaves more to the imagination.  At some point in 
life that becomes critical.   

I look terrible in Tee Shirts, so most of mine go to the wife...who looks 
great in them.  And when she gets up and moves around the bedroom, it looks like 
a couple of cats fighting in a burlap bag.  Yeah...get the XL for the wife.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From JReed at wilson.com  Wed May  2 11:11:40 2007
From: JReed at wilson.com (JReed at wilson.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OF00AF1907.793F323C-ON862572CF.005DEB45-882572CF.0069000C@wilson.com>

Thanks for the mental image I have.....I laughed out load!





Regards,
John Reed
Staff Photographer
Wilson Sporting Goods Co.
8700 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA
Tel. + 1.773.490.8908, fax +1.773.714.4585
JReed at wilson.com  www.wilson.com  www.amersports.com
 
 



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05/02/07 09:56 AM

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Subject
Re: [Fot] (no subject)






In a message dated 05/02/2007 11:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of 
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a 
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I 
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color 
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a 
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can 
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey 
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll 
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and 
> sure she'll appreciate it.
> 

Not only that...buying one for the wife in an XL size makes sense as well. 
 
Oversized tee shirts make super 'Baby Doll' pajamas...and that's vintage 
terminology.  XL is a better size for pajamas.  More comfortable.  Easy to 
get out 
of...and the baggier size leaves more to the imagination.  At some point 
in 
life that becomes critical. 

I look terrible in Tee Shirts, so most of mine go to the wife...who looks 
great in them.  And when she gets up and moves around the bedroom, it 
looks like 
a couple of cats fighting in a burlap bag.  Yeah...get the XL for the 
wife.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 12:56:20 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:56:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <E1424B68-6C3C-4E24-B3FE-2E9E0AE17B0F@bnj.com>

Sometimes Billy you just scare me.
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On May 2, 2007, at 9:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

>
> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and
> sure she'll appreciate it.

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 15:57:45 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders
Message-ID: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>

Hoooooooooooold on. No orders happening yet. Let me get a proposal put 
together and get back to the group and then I can start taking orders.


Thanks,
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May  2 17:27:54 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 01:27:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] test
References: <BAY130-F290242E7990D74FA01A544A55B0@phx.gbl>
	<46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com>
	<003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <003601c78d11$831b66c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Hi Bill,

I've checked with my ISP and my mail boxes....all are ready and prepared to
receive FOT mails. I've welcomed the FOT address to my mail boxes so all
should be able to get mails from FOT.

Now...how to make FOT to send me mails?

Cheers
Chris

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: triumph_marx at freenet.de
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] test


  I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst possible
time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled to death by ducks.

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  On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, <triumph_marx at freenet.de> wrote:


    More than one month off list.


    Anyone who can read this?
    Used my old address maybe the old one is better?


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 19:43:38 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Crew
Message-ID: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>

Jason and I are heading to Road America for the MOTRAH event. If anybody has 
a couple of unused crew slots they want to sell us shoot me an email.

Marty Sukey

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From klynch7589 at aol.com  Wed May  2 19:49:58 2007
From: klynch7589 at aol.com (klynch7589 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:49:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C95B3C7D8A45ED-DAC-217A@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com>

Understand that completely ... no rush here.
 
Kevin 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: trmarty at hotmail.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders


Hoooooooooooold on. No orders happening yet. Let me get a proposal put 
together and get back to the group and then I can start taking orders.


Thanks,
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From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Wed May  2 19:57:43 2007
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:57:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
Message-ID: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>

Amici
 
    Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until the last 
several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the engine 
seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to when this 
happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start, it suddenly 
start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
 
    Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not get it to 
fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not  starting; so we 
towed it over today after it did not start and it started right  away. The garage 
says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be 
speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had similar  problems or 
suggestions on the most probably cause. 
 
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Wed May  2 21:22:39 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
Message-ID: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>

Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.

Cheers,
Kurt O.

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed May  2 21:30:03 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:30:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
References: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000701c78d33$569b1100$0301000a@Chowdown>

I'll be up there with my TR3B

~Steve
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From: "Kurt Oblinger" <koblinger at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow


> Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
> weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
> some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kurt O.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 21:36:42 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Crew
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A4BFA66D-B1BF-4F17-98AC-3093D0083BD4@bnj.com>

Hey Marty,
As far as I know I'll be there by myself. Bill Hart and John James  
are also coming from the Northwest and I suspect their crew will  
consist of Tony Garmey and not much else. I could be wrong. But at  
the very least you can have all my crew slots.
Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 6:43 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Jason and I are heading to Road America for the MOTRAH event. If  
> anybody has
> a couple of unused crew slots they want to sell us shoot me an email.
>
> Marty Sukey
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From chasgee at aol.com  Wed May  2 22:50:03 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
In-Reply-To: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
References: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8C95B55A59D2D0B-106C-9879@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>

I'll be there!  Come look us Triumph guys up, should be at the NW corner of the pits.  Should be a bunch of us.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire Racer 
 
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From: koblinger at verizon.net
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Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow


Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.

Cheers,
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed May  2 23:30:08 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Coolest Triumphest Poster EVER
Message-ID: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Visit the Triumphest 2007 website and click on the thumbnail of the 
poster. It's on the left hand side in the middle next to the planned events.

We are looking at printing these up to sale for Triumhpest.  Probably 
a poster every TR lover should have on the Garage wall.  "Bond, James 
Bond", Bond Girls and TR's!

http://www.triumphest.com

The copy that I put on the website is only 600 pixels wide.  The 
original HiRez that we will be making posters of is over 1,000 pixels 
wide.  Should make for some very nice posters.

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May  2 23:46:58 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:46:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Coolest Triumphest Poster EVER
In-Reply-To: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <46397752.5010204@bradakis.com>

I'll take two!

You know, I bet my recently revived, clapped out hulk of a Spitfire
might be in good enough shape to make it to Laughlin by October.
Or I might have a 7, or another Spit, or ....

I've only been meaning to attend Triumphest for the last bazillion
years or so.

mjb.

From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 23:39:21 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:39:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
In-Reply-To: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
References: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0C2E1723-1792-45DE-B63F-3F0D17156F11@bnj.com>

I'd look at the fuel pump in the tank. They can get gunked up or  
start failing to rotate and then suddenly kick in. Pain in the ass to  
replace sometimes, but the part is relatively cheap.
Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote:

> Amici
>
>     Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until  
> the last
> several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the  
> engine
> seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to  
> when this
> happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start,  
> it suddenly
> start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
>
>     Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not  
> get it to
> fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not   
> starting; so we
> towed it over today after it did not start and it started right   
> away. The garage
> says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be
> speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had  
> similar  problems or
> suggestions on the most probably cause.
>
> Cary
>
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http:// 
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From dave at microworks.net  Thu May  3 01:44:53 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
Message-ID: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with 
some artillery hard mounted to the roof?

http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/

From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu May  3 06:39:36 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
In-Reply-To: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>

How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those "drivers" who 
follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?

Allen

On May 3, 2007, at 2:44 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with
> some artillery hard mounted to the roof?
>
> http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>
>
A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
1971 TR6  - Number 6

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu May  3 07:07:07 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:07:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s
Message-ID: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>

FoT   IMPORTANT!

Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts of any of the 12 Hours of 
Sebring TR4s?

Even rumors.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Thu May  3 08:01:21 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
References: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
	<f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003701c78d8b$884bfb80$0200a8c0@Desktop>

30 feet you sore don't drive in the mid Atlantic area ( its less)
Craig


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
Cc: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?


> How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those "drivers" who 
> follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?
> 
> Allen
> 
> On May 3, 2007, at 2:44 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
> 
>> Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with
>> some artillery hard mounted to the roof?
>>
>> http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
> A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May  3 09:18:06 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:18:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
References: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
	<0C2E1723-1792-45DE-B63F-3F0D17156F11@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <027d01c78d96$40a69be0$1a02a8c0@workstation3>

We had a similar problem in a van and it was a loose wire on the fuel pump,
the forward one.  It seems it has 3 fuel pumps, one in each tank and a main.
In another van we had a problem where the van would start and not run.  If
you held the rpm's up after it started it would be good once it warmed up.
We had to wait until the check again light came on to register a code.  it
was easy after that, a $20 part.  There are about 40 $20 parts(sensors) on
this motor.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: <Group44TR7 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??


> I'd look at the fuel pump in the tank. They can get gunked up or
> start failing to rotate and then suddenly kick in. Pain in the ass to
> replace sometimes, but the part is relatively cheap.
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
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>
>
> On May 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Amici
> >
> >     Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until
> > the last
> > several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the
> > engine
> > seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to
> > when this
> > happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start,
> > it suddenly
> > start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
> >
> >     Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not
> > get it to
> > fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not
> > starting; so we
> > towed it over today after it did not start and it started right
> > away. The garage
> > says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be
> > speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had
> > similar  problems or
> > suggestions on the most probably cause.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** See what's free at http://
> > www.aol.com.
> > _______________________________________________
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From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 09:16:00 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:16:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto
In-Reply-To: <004e01c78b8c$1cefd330$bf524c0c@user90890nvpgh>
Message-ID: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>

Amici,
>
>  The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a
>Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair.
>The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable,
>Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on
>key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on
>magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto,
>is there any advance built into it? Just wondering.
>
>Bill
>Triumph Rescue

I don't know if this will help, but:

If it's like an aircraft magneto, there is no advance in it. You static-time 
an aircraft magneto to a given degree before TDC and it fires there every 
time. The spark event doesn't change.

There is a spring-mechanical coupling device (called an impulse coupling) 
between the mag and the drive gear that retards the spark until TDC during 
starting. It disengages once the engine starts and the mag fires at the 
setting BTDC. Don't know if car mags have impulse couplings.

Aircraft engines run in a very small RPM band, so car mags might be 
different.

John

From billb at bnj.com  Thu May  3 09:54:53 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <72BAF8E4-1CEA-4862-A645-180523D1777D@bnj.com>

If a car magneto has an advance mechanism it's usually very obvious  
since it generally rotates the entire housing. You can't just move  
the point base (or at least you can't if you want a good spark). The  
point opening has to be timed to the position of the rotor relative  
to the magnet, otherwise it opens when too little current is flowing  
through the coil and the voltage produced is lower.

You can get away with moving the cam around a little on a motorcycle  
magneto because it only has one or two sparks per rotation and  
therefore the magnets can be wide. The cam on a Lucas mag is a hollow  
cylinder that is eccentrically ground on the inside--the points run  
against the inside, and the spark retard mechanism manually rotates  
the cylinder in the housing. But even then the mechanism is just for  
starting and does result in a weaker spark when it's used.

All of this is a sore point for me--the magneto for a Vincent is  
always problematic because it's a 50 degree V twin. The spark is  
compromised no matter what you do and gets much weaker in at least  
one cylinder when you use the retarding mechanism--a big problem when  
you're trying to kick start a high compression 1000cc V twin (1200  
cc's in the case of my hotrodded Vincent) with a very lumpy cam and a  
very primitive quadrant style kick mechanism. I'm giving up on period- 
correct fixes and replacing the guts of my magneto with an electronic  
ignition system. I've had enough embarrassing moments starting this  
beast. Oh for an electric starter like the RTV clone motor had.

Bill Babcock
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On May 3, 2007, at 8:16 AM, John Herrera wrote:

> Amici,
>>
>>  The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a
>> Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair.
>> The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable,
>> Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on
>> key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on
>> magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto,
>> is there any advance built into it? Just wondering.
>>
>> Bill
>> Triumph Rescue
>
> I don't know if this will help, but:
>
> If it's like an aircraft magneto, there is no advance in it. You  
> static-time
> an aircraft magneto to a given degree before TDC and it fires there  
> every
> time. The spark event doesn't change.
>
> There is a spring-mechanical coupling device (called an impulse  
> coupling)
> between the mag and the drive gear that retards the spark until TDC  
> during
> starting. It disengages once the engine starts and the mag fires at  
> the
> setting BTDC. Don't know if car mags have impulse couplings.
>
> Aircraft engines run in a very small RPM band, so car mags might be
> different.
>
> John
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From RYoung at NavComTech.com  Thu May  3 12:05:15 2007
From: RYoung at NavComTech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
In-Reply-To: <f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20070503180458.BGJQ19599.mta10.adelphia.net@randall>

> How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those 
> "drivers" who follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?

Around here, if there's a whole 30' free, someone will put an BFSUV in it !

Randall

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May  3 17:58:25 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] aluminum hub availability
Message-ID: <200705032358.l43NwZxQ509784@ns3.geneseo.net>

I have persuaded Southwick to make another run of aluminum hubs. The 
price will be $565 because of the increase in price of aluminum and 
especially the bearings. If you want a set, please send a deposit 
check of $250.

Make out the check to "Southwick Machine and Design".

Send it to me at

Jack W. Drews
514 North Vail Street
Geneseo IL 61254

When the hubs are ready we will tell you, you can send the remainder, 
and the hubs will be shipped.

Thanks.

uncle jack


uncle jack 

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From TR3A at att.net  Thu May  3 18:06:05 2007
From: TR3A at att.net (Susan and Jack)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers
Message-ID: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

.

From jibjib at att.net  Thu May  3 18:06:55 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] OBD tools
Message-ID: <01e301c78de0$213a0630$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

 

jib

From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Thu May  3 22:11:36 2007
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s
In-Reply-To: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>
References: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000001c78e02$4f2c71a0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2>

If my memory serves me correctly, Fred Schmitt in Port Charlotte Fla. has
the number 42 and 43 cars. He restored the 43 car 10 or so years ago. I have
no contact info for him.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring - Kas' TR4s

FoT   IMPORTANT!

Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts of any of the 12 Hours of 
Sebring TR4s?

Even rumors.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From LOddTR at aol.com  Fri May  4 10:32:44 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:32:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s - Fred Schmidt
Message-ID: <cdc.10448379.336cba2c@aol.com>

Found this on ask.com  
"
Call Fred Schmidt, in Port Charlotte, Fl. phone Number: > 941-627-6813. 
Thanks, > Phil Smith > TR6 ...



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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Fri May  4 18:15:21 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 00:15:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges
Message-ID: <20070504.171537.1570.2122377@webmail07.nyc.untd.com>

I have been invited to drive on a team for the SCCA's 24 hour race at Nelson
Ledges in August.  I have never been to Nelson Ledges (yes, I just read Bill's
blog on learning new tracks).  Does anyone have any in-car video of the track
that you could share?  Joe(B)

From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri May  4 21:06:56 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 22:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] enclosed trailer setup advice
Message-ID: <f5988c193345f.463bae80@insightbb.com>

Amici,

I have just upgraded the trailer to a 8.5' x 16' enclosed trailer, not the biggest I know, but perfect for the spitfire.

What it's got:
A workbench at the front with a shelf above it and room for stuff below it
A space on the side next to the work bench to strap the rolling tool box to the wall
A rack for 3 5gallon fuel jugs
A tire rack across the back by the ramp door (holds 10 spitfire tires)
2 4' fluorescent fixtures in the center
1 2' fluorescent under the shelf for the work bench
2 electrical outlets
A small generator to run the lights etc.
standard stuff on the door to hold oil, spray cans, paper towels etc.

My questions are:
Does anyone have good tips on how to store stuff in the trailer, maybe some photos of how you store some spares or have stuff setup. (list of spares is: engine, gearbox, bell housing, various gaskets, u-joints, bearings, electrical, some suspension bits).
I have not mounted the winch yet.  Any suggestions?  I've though of putting it under the floor and just feed the cable up, but you lose the accesability to the free wheel option.
Some ideas for outside lights would be nice?
Where can I get a FOT decal to throw on the outside to go next to the Spitfire 1500 sticker and the SCCA sticker :)
Up until now, I've either had a single axle open trailer (remember that piece of work Bill?) or the trailer that had the box in front.  All of that stuff was in tubs, I'm wondering if there is a better method to the madness.
cheers,
Aaron Johnson
#87 HP Spitfire 1500

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sat May  5 06:34:17 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:34:17 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <20070505.053502.21820.2634455@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>

I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my TR4
intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should be
blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 different
things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any dyno
testing to determine if it is worth while?
Joe(B)

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat May  5 08:51:21 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 07:51:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
References: <20070505.053502.21820.2634455@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <004301c78f24$d8a0f410$0502a8c0@desktop>

Joe, I'm not sure what could be gained from blocking it off.
On my MGB, streetcar, when I ported and polished the manifold, I spent extra 
time cleaning the area around the crossover and down inside it.  The gain 
was incredible for such a minor task.
I would think the motor would benefit from the additional intake of the 
opposing carburetor.  On a MG the head only has 1 intake port to share 
between 2 cylinders and maybe it makes more sense to share 2 carbs also.
Just my thoughts.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


>I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my 
>TR4
> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should 
> be
> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 
> different
> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any 
> dyno
> testing to determine if it is worth while?
> Joe(B)
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Sat May  5 12:48:26 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>

I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
was important, I would think that we would have seen
x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
carbs.

Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md

>I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my 
>TR4
>intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should 
>be
>blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 
>different
>things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
>still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any 
>dyno
>testing to determine if it is worth while?
>Joe(B)

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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sat May  5 14:16:22 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:16:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <bf0.133f0928.336e4016@aol.com>

Without ever trying to figure out the reason why, I have heard that people
who have tried blocking off this tube had problems.  If I remember correctly, I
believe that Kas warned against this in one of his books.  Make sure that the
balance tube is not plugged.
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat May  5 14:27:39 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:27:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>

Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow  
much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The  
moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume  
downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason  
given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early  
intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from  
plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A  
stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly  
sized modern one.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

> I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
> was important, I would think that we would have seen
> x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
> carbs.
>
> Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
>
>> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over  
>> tube in my
>> TR4
>> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and  
>> should
>> be
>> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
>> different
>> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,  
>> but that
>> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried  
>> this?  Any
>> dyno
>> testing to determine if it is worth while?
>> Joe(B)
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat May  5 14:30:41 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:30:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner

  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  When I was doing radical MGTD engines in the early 50's I closed the balance
pipe with material and welded in a fill and smoothed, it did provide  better
power and amazing it also smoothed out the idle on a big camshaft. But those
engines had a single port for two combustion chambers. It so amusing that when
I sold my MG special that had that manifold on it the guy thought I trying to
pull something off on him cause the idle was pretty smooth for a big cam.  I
drilled a 1/2" hole in the balance pipe covers and the idle came right back
rough as a cob and he was happier.

   I was talking to Jimmy Coan just yesterday about this, and he remembers I
did it on the TR-4 in the engine dyno and the mid range and idle
characteristics were so bad we had a hard time stopping the engine from
shaking out of the cradle. From this even though the flow bench said other, I
passed on the mod. With the S.U.s or Stromberg it is important but of course
on Webers each inlet port has it's own carb so no contest there. Can't explain
it.

  The cross over balance pipe contributes to the flow of the mixture when you
have only two carbs for four cylinders.

  Lets start with the mixture flow going to number one, then the flow must
reverse itself to get to number three, this makes number three slightly
leaner, but now the inertia of flow is going to three and the next open valve
is number four so it gets a higher inertia of flow, then to number two and the
reverse takes place and the flow is leaner as the inertia of flow was going in
the opposite direction, but number one now benefits from the flow to number
two and so it is slightly richer than number two. make sense?  It really works
that way and is the reason I always check the number two and three plugs on a
full throttle clean shut off. Those cylinders are most prone to detonation
because of this.

  This being true ( and it is) you would think that plugging the balance pipe
would better all around, but it's  not. Weird!! Your power may differ :-)

  Never Be beaten by Equipment
  Kas Kastner
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: SHANE Ingate
    To: jaboruch at netzero.net
    Cc: fot at autox.team.net
    Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:48 AM
    Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


    I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
    was important, I would think that we would have seen
    x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
    carbs.

    Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md

    >I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my
    >TR4
    >intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should
    >be
    >blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
    >different
    >things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but
that
    >still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any
    >dyno
    >testing to determine if it is worth while?
    >Joe(B)

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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat May  5 14:37:59 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:37:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>

I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see the mixture
pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: SHANE Ingate
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
  much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
  moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
  downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
  given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
  intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
  plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
  stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
  sized modern one.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
  bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

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  On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

  > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
  > was important, I would think that we would have seen
  > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
  > carbs.
  >
  > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
  >
  >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
  >> tube in my
  >> TR4
  >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
  >> should
  >> be
  >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
  >> different
  >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
  >> but that
  >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
  >> this?  Any
  >> dyno
  >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
  >> Joe(B)
  >
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sun May  6 02:59:31 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 03:59:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: MOTHRA SVRA Road America May 18-20
Message-ID: <200705060859.l468xfH1025917@ns3.geneseo.net>

>This message from Wm. Severin Thompson III went out to a couple of 
>other lists and those of you who are going to the MOTRAH event at 
>Raod America in May may be interested. Otherwise, after salivating 
>over the fun we're going to have, delete.
>
>Hey y'all,
>
>
>
>Busy busy busy in the world of Thickos. We've been in the throes of spring
>time farm related doings. I've had lots of business related travel. Car prep
>has had its ups and downs.
>
>
>
>We're picking up John Sprinzel and his lovely wife Caryl at the airport in
>Milwaukee on the 17th. They're flying in from Hawaii, and spending Thursday
>night at the Dream Farm, and riding over to the track with us Fri.  AM. When
>John & Caryl asked what type of clothes to bring to Wisco in May, I
>suggested that shorts and parkas ought to cover it. Record temps for that
>weekend in May range from 22F to somewhere in the 90'sF.
>
>
>
>Last time John was at Road America, it was at the VSCDA's Vintage Fall
>Festival, and we had rain of Biblical proportions for the first 2 days. His
>last visit is chronicled at http://www.thicko.com/Shakey.htm .
>
>
>
>  John is co-Grand Marshal of the MOTHRA race (Morgan, Triumph, Healey
>challenge series) along with Kas Kaster.
>
>
>
>I hope to have the Thicko land barge and Redrum over at the track early
>Thursday.
>
>
>
>For those of you that don't know John personally, I can tell you he is one
>of the original Thickos. He's a pleasure to hang with. I'm sure he'll be
>happy to meet all you "Thickos" and "Idgets with Spridgets".
>
>
>
>There's a gymkhana for those of you that would like to get your groove on at
>the track without going wheel to wheel.
>
>
>
>The Thicko shop is only about 35 minutes from Road America., so if any
>Mothra participants get into some mechanical difficulty, we can probably
>accommodate almost anything here if you need help .
>
>
>
>For more info contact: (Morgan) Bob Wilson aka Kermit at Kerm1 at aol.com ,
>(Triumph) Joe
>
>Alexander at N197TR4 at cs.com , (Austin Healey) Jeff Johnk at
>jeffj at centuryrefining.com , or
>
>head on over to SVRA's website at www.svra.com.
>
>
>
>On the Flounder front. I rebuilt one of the race motors I got in the Roscoe
>race Bugeye deal. I put it together yesterday, painted it today, and will
>drop it in tomorrow. It has Venolia forged pistons, a Comptune cam, nitrided
>crank, 13:1 CR. the usual stuff. It should have plenty of zip. Hopefully I
>can break it in driving it around the local cow country before it hits the
>trailer next weekend.
>
>
>
>Let me know if you're racing or spectating. Stop by Thicko Village and say
>"hey". .
>
>Wm. Severin Thompson
>
>
>
>  <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com
>
>  <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com
>
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From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net  Sun May  6 10:51:55 2007
From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers
In-Reply-To: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <004001c78ffe$dc5e9640$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Check this device. I have one but have not read the manual yet (typical
engineer)!
http://www.scangauge.com/ 
Clark W. Nicholls

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Susan and Jack
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:06 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

From billb at bnj.com  Sun May  6 13:47:41 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:47:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
	<01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>

Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was  
running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet  
hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor  
mount looked weird. Yup, broken.

I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a  
better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I  
break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock  
rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad  
things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the  
mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but  
that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

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On May 5, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see  
> the mixture pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
> Kas Kastner
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: SHANE Ingate
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
>
> Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
> much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
> moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
> downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
> given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
> intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
> plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
> stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
> sized modern one.
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> Sub=168304
>
> or Via RSS
> Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
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>
>
>
> On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:
>
> > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
> > was important, I would think that we would have seen
> > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
> > carbs.
> >
> > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
> >
> >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
> >> tube in my
> >> TR4
> >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
> >> should
> >> be
> >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
> >> different
> >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
> >> but that
> >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
> >> this?  Any
> >> dyno
> >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
> >> Joe(B)
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun May  6 15:36:54 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 16:36:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
	<01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
	<B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070506213601.EAECC187A91@autox.team.net>

Cambridge sells heavy duty motor mounts.  They're larger in diameter 
than stock.  I've got a set I've been running for a few years, and 
haven't broken them yet...  These are for the TR-4.  I don't know 
what the TR-3 mounts are like, if they are different.

http://shop.cambridgemotorsport.com/product_templates/product_default.cfm?menu_temp=tr4_cylinder.cfm&dep_id=1&prod_id=342&ass_id=19

- Tony

At 02:47 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:
>Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was
>running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet
>hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor
>mount looked weird. Yup, broken.
>
>I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a
>better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I
>break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock
>rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad
>things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the
>mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but
>that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.
>
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sun May  6 15:42:38 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:42:38 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing timetable
References: <463ceb4a.4041fa0d.2cdf.51ccSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c79027$783f7f20$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've searched on the FOT webside but didn't find any race event timetable.

Where do I find the races where FOT appears?

Cheers
Chris

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sun May  6 16:07:50 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:07:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Motor Mounts
Message-ID: <002501c7902a$fcfc7c60$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Bill:

Yes, I found a heavy duty one through Cambridge Motorsports
(www.cambridgemotorsport.com).  It is significantly "beefier" than the stock
or Moss parts, bigger in diameter and a bit taller.  Part number is MTC4444
and costs 13.95 pounds (UK).  Back in Nov, 2006, total cost to ship two
mounts to California was just a bit over 40 pounds.

Gary 1962 TR4

From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun May  6 21:32:15 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 20:32:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <010301c79058$4f113cc0$0502a8c0@desktop>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


>I just looked at the motor mounts @ Cambridge and those look a lot like a 
>Jaguar mount.  I know that would be much stronger.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
>
>
>> Cambridge sells heavy duty motor mounts.  They're larger in diameter
>> than stock.  I've got a set I've been running for a few years, and
>> haven't broken them yet...  These are for the TR-4.  I don't know
>> what the TR-3 mounts are like, if they are different.
>>
>> http://shop.cambridgemotorsport.com/product_templates/product_default.cfm?menu_temp=tr4_cylinder.cfm&dep_id=1&prod_id=342&ass_id=19
>>
>> - Tony
>>
>> At 02:47 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:
>>>Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was
>>>running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet
>>>hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor
>>>mount looked weird. Yup, broken.
>>>
>>>I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a
>>>better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I
>>>break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock
>>>rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad
>>>things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the
>>>mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but
>>>that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.
>>>
>>>Bill Babcock
>>>billb at bnj.com
>>>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fot mailing list
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:22:25 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:22:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c07.13339ea8.33709021@cs.com>

FoT Entries

The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their website. 

Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR entries and 
acceptance of their entries.

Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest priorty.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 08:31:29 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:31:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:22:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

FoT  Entries

The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and  their 
website. 

Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack  of TR entries and 
acceptance of their entries.

Staff at SVRA can  get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
and I suspect  that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest  priorty.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   


The entries posted this weekend are up to date as of Friday. Anyone not on  
the list can contact me directly.
 
Jack Woehrle



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:37:20 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:37:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
Message-ID: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>

FOT,    ET.AL.

I am receiving questions about tickets for the dinner on Friday Night.

I sent a note to Kerm about the availability...copied here.

Kerm1 at aol.com

I know that Mr. Holekamp represents a group of (7) folks coming from ISOA and 
we want them to join us.

I am still counting heads myself and need some tickets, too.

Kermit, what is latest on the availability of dinner tickets?

Contact Kermit (Bob Wilson) directly. We want you there.  I understand that 
it will be held at the pavilion at the Motorplex....no tents. 

Event regalia will be available and Marty Sukey will display our stuff and 
you can pick up any event shirts ordered in advance.

Additionally displayed, will be the very nice Seiko Chronograph to be 
presented to an outstanding TR Pilot. Presentation will be by Kas Kastner follwing 
the MOTRAH-007 Race.  This Chronograph has been sponsored by "A.R.E.".  (yes, 
that A.R.E.) Criteria for awarding will be similar to the awarding of the 
Kastner Cup.

PERFORMANCE         PRESENTATION           PASSION

Regards,

Joe Alexander

   </HTML>

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May  7 08:42:36 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:42:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/07/2007 9:23:00 AM Central Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:


> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their 
> website. 
> 
> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR entries and 
> acceptance of their entries.
> 
> Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
> and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest priorty.
> 

Joe is correct.  SVRA has a limited staff, and is busy at this time of year.  
Obviously I do not speak for SVRA, but I did notice Kim Beline has posted an 
updated list on the website today.  It is about two pages longer than the one 
from the end of April, but is still missing names I expected to see.  I can 
only guess some names not readily known to SVRA and are still in the process of 
being scrutinized.

Bill Dentinger



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:51:13 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:51:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
Message-ID: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>

FOT PILOTOS AND CREW AND FRIENDS:

Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located to 
EVERYTHING.

Tom Strange has volunteered his time and efforts to block off an area for us 
on early Thursday morning.  He is also going to provide a limited amount of 
tent space for "FOT CENTRAL" AND A COUPLE OF CARS.  

I think everyone knows the amount of effort that Tom Strange puts into this. 
Witness Hallett last year. A lot of folks pitched in to help out in this 
effort, but the responsibility for pulling off this tremendous Mall of Triumphs 
rested on Tom and his Wife. Greatly appreciated, as it adds a cohesive element to 
the experience.

If you are interested in this area, please contact Tom directly and express 
your interest and appreciation. It will help with his planning.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 09:07:02 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:07:02 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <c82.131bab76.33709a96@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Primary  location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
Building  & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
to  
EVERYTHING.


We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot  
of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you  
trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
 
Jack



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 10:12:37 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>

thanks jack w!

tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and your offer to support is greatly appreciated.

joe a

> 
>In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>Primary  location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
>Building  & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
>to  
>EVERYTHING.
>
>
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot  
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you  
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 11:04:47 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <335856.16034.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Jack:
   
  I have a large roll of the yellow tape I will make available.  If any unauthorized sorts try to squat in the area, we'll just throw deep fried cheese curds at them until they surrender or succumb to clogged arteries.
   
  Ernie

  
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot 
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you 
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>

       
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 11:21:18 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:21:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
Message-ID: <c98.fdadc22.3370ba0e@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 12:05:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:

Jack:

I have a large roll of the yellow tape  I will make available.  If any 
unauthorized sorts try to squat in the  area, we'll just throw deep fried cheese 
curds at them until they surrender or  succumb to clogged arteries.

Ernie


OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who  already 
know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your  problem 
will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground.
 
jw



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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon May  7 11:38:29 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <050720071738.18638.463F641500084BE7000048CE2200734840970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: JWoesvra at aol.com 

> Ernie 
> 
> 
> OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who already 
> know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your problem 
> will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground. 

Yeah, but he's a cheesehead too, so the "enemy" won't know what hit them until it is too late. Sort of a wide, white version of Undercover Brother, although I'm sure Ernie could drive an Enzo much better than Eddie Griffin.
Irv

From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon May  7 12:00:34 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
References: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>

There is another factor here, and I'm not sure of it's effect.  The 
intake valves on #3 and #4 (and #1 and #2) have a lot of shared opening, 
e.g 120 degrees of shared opening with a 300 degree duration cam. If you 
shut off the crossover, then much of the time you'd have two cylinders 
pulling on one carb.  I've always wondered about the other extreme, i.e. 
mount both carbs on a big plenum.  Has anyone tried that?
Larry Young

From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  7 12:15:47 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <215943.55177.qm@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jack, Joe...
    Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it would be better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and do the set up ... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry about claiming space etc ....  
    Any possibilities there?
  

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  thanks jack w!

tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and your offer to support is greatly appreciated.

joe a

> 
>In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
>Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
>to 
>EVERYTHING.
>
>
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot 
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you 
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 13:45:23 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <c98.fdadc22.3370ba0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <699763.70474.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Well if you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in some of that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.

JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:         
   

  
  OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who already know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your problem will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground.
   
  jw



    
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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 13:55:17 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:55:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <699763.70474.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F1410CC93E98224C66BBF69D2450@phx.gbl>

>Well if you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in 
>some of that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.

Bite your tongue man!

This here's a slippery slope!

The next thing you'll want to do is import brauts from New York City!

Greg


Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May  7 14:19:13 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:19:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Left Coast Event
Message-ID: <d65.82fab2b.3370e3c1@aol.com>

Amici...

No report for the Left Coast event last weekend?

Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:09:37 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:09:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
In-Reply-To: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>
References: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CFCE8B21-14DB-46BA-BE07-FAF03D90BF17@bnj.com>

What dinner are you talking about Joe?
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:37 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT,    ET.AL.
>
> I am receiving questions about tickets for the dinner on Friday Night.
>
> I sent a note to Kerm about the availability...copied here.
>
> Kerm1 at aol.com
>
> I know that Mr. Holekamp represents a group of (7) folks coming  
> from ISOA and
> we want them to join us.
>
> I am still counting heads myself and need some tickets, too.
>
> Kermit, what is latest on the availability of dinner tickets?
>
> Contact Kermit (Bob Wilson) directly. We want you there.  I  
> understand that
> it will be held at the pavilion at the Motorplex....no tents.
>
> Event regalia will be available and Marty Sukey will display our  
> stuff and
> you can pick up any event shirts ordered in advance.
>
> Additionally displayed, will be the very nice Seiko Chronograph to be
> presented to an outstanding TR Pilot. Presentation will be by Kas  
> Kastner follwing
> the MOTRAH-007 Race.  This Chronograph has been sponsored by  
> "A.R.E.".  (yes,
> that A.R.E.) Criteria for awarding will be similar to the awarding  
> of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> PERFORMANCE         PRESENTATION           PASSION
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>    </HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> billb at bnj.com
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:10:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
In-Reply-To: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>
References: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2CF5CA5B-6585-495A-9E43-11D8F0C4F9CB@bnj.com>

Could one of you guys post a link for where the entry list is?

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:42 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/07/2007 9:23:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>
>> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their
>> website.
>>
>> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR  
>> entries and
>> acceptance of their entries.
>>
>> Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities  
>> and events,
>> and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest  
>> priorty.
>>
>
> Joe is correct.  SVRA has a limited staff, and is busy at this time  
> of year.
> Obviously I do not speak for SVRA, but I did notice Kim Beline has  
> posted an
> updated list on the website today.  It is about two pages longer  
> than the one
> from the end of April, but is still missing names I expected to  
> see.  I can
> only guess some names not readily known to SVRA and are still in  
> the process of
> being scrutinized.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:11:36 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:11:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>
References: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>
Message-ID: <50ECC35B-F732-4DB6-B3C6-6A9B046AE4BC@bnj.com>

Tom,
I'm bringing Nero of course, it's a 34 foot trailer coupled to an  
F350 pickup that's 20 feet long.

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:51 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT PILOTOS AND CREW AND FRIENDS:
>
> Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be  
> near the
> Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally  
> located to
> EVERYTHING.
>
> Tom Strange has volunteered his time and efforts to block off an  
> area for us
> on early Thursday morning.  He is also going to provide a limited  
> amount of
> tent space for "FOT CENTRAL" AND A COUPLE OF CARS.
>
> I think everyone knows the amount of effort that Tom Strange puts  
> into this.
> Witness Hallett last year. A lot of folks pitched in to help out in  
> this
> effort, but the responsibility for pulling off this tremendous Mall  
> of Triumphs
> rested on Tom and his Wife. Greatly appreciated, as it adds a  
> cohesive element to
> the experience.
>
> If you are interested in this area, please contact Tom directly and  
> express
> your interest and appreciation. It will help with his planning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander   </HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> billb at bnj.com
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:22:49 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:22:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
In-Reply-To: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>
References: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DD98F55C-E8DB-45CF-A201-2D8CA1D18737@bnj.com>

I just checked the list and I am NOT on it. Sent my entry in a long  
time ago. Please let me know if there is something I need to do.
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:31 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:22:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
> FoT  Entries
>
> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and  their
> website.
>
> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack  of TR  
> entries and
> acceptance of their entries.
>
> Staff at SVRA can  get very busy with the SVRA spring activities  
> and events,
> and I suspect  that entries recorded is not necessarily the  
> highest  priorty.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> The entries posted this weekend are up to date as of Friday. Anyone  
> not on
> the list can contact me directly.
>
> Jack Woehrle
>
>
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:25:37 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:25:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
Message-ID: <d0b.e62db25.3370f351@cs.com>

MOTRAH-007 Dinner at the Motorplex on Friday night.

$20 per ticket.

You've been too busy in Maui to notice.

Keep the blogs coming en route. 

Joe A


> What dinner are you talking about Joe? 
> Bill Babcock
> 
> 

   </HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:32:38 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:32:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <c45.148cc222.3370f4f6@cs.com>

Bill,

There is room for your rig, if you want to hang with us.  Otherwise you will 
be banished to the asphalt where the high rollers reside.

When is your ETA?

Tom, you could try to crime tape him in at the very end where he could pull 
his rig in full length.

No guarantees on anything. 

Joe (A)


> Tom, I'm bringing Nero of course, it's a 34 foot trailer coupled to an F350 
> pickup that's 20 feet long. 
> 

   </HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:35:25 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:35:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <d36.740d5a5.3370f59d@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:55:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
greenman62 at hotmail.com writes:


> 
> Bite your tongue man!
> 

Greg,  

A well known automotive journalist for an offshore magazine is looking for 
someone to share information. He is unable to make it.  Will both you and Scott 
be there?  

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:06:16 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:06:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
Message-ID: <cbc.1179cac8.3370fcd8@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 1:16:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Jack, Joe...
  Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it  would be 
better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and do  the set up 
... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry about  claiming space 
etc ....  
  Any possibilities there?>>
 
I think we can arrange that.
 
Jack



 



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:11:41 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:11:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:

Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in 
some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.


I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds. Is  
there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat Vermont  
cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??  No  Way!
 
Jack Woehrle



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:17:34 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:17:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <d48.7341c1b.3370ff7e@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:11:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
billb at bnj.com writes:

Could  one of you guys post a link for where the entry list is?

Bill  Babcock
billb at bnj.com


_http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument_ 
(http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument) 



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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 16:20:29 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

G'day guys,
          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller cam?
 
Jim

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May  7 16:39:38 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:39:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>

California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass 
Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our 
fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's 
25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I 
doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those 
great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games. 
No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley 
wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of 
your chair, for more cheese related facts visit www.realcaliforniacheese.com 
where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm, 
time for some Monterey Jack!

Gary
62 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw 
> in
> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>
>
> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds. 
> Is
> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat Vermont
> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ?? 
> No  Way!
>
> Jack Woehrle
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May  7 16:40:28 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:40:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c790f8$b64590d0$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Jim:

Roller rockers in vintage racing?  How dare you!

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cun" <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Fot] Roller life


> G'day guys,
>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller 
> cam?
>
> Jim
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:50:18 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:50:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c83.1314beb6.3371072a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 5:39:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to  pass 
Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state  in our 
fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the  stuff, that's 
25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the  facts.  However I 
doubt Californians will take over the nickname of  "Cheeseheads" with those 
great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a  U of W football games. 
No, they'll just sit back with their glass of  Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley 
wine, have a sip and nibble on some  cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of 
your chair, for more cheese  related facts visit www.realcaliforniacheese.com 
where you can relive all  the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm, 
time for some  Monterey Jack!


I don't believe it. It is a trick to get the real cheese heads riled up. It  
certainly must be a fad that will quickly pass when "the big one" hits. 
Probably  using Japanese milk.
 
jw



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 17:00:03 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <204A945C-8AEC-4DCF-8519-3B3BD64E8681@bnj.com>

And let's not forget Oregon. Tillamook Cheese is one of the most  
recognized cheddars in the US. We also have the famous Bandon Cheddar  
(though there really isn't a cheese plant in Bandon anymore) and make  
some very nice artisan cheeses like Blue Heron and Rogue Blue.  
However, there's not that much cheese leaving the state. We only make  
71 million pounds and we eat about 160 million (which of course  
includes all that "american" cheese that little kids and the  
gastronomically immature seem to enjoy), so there's not much to of  
the good stuff to spare. If you Wisconsin folks are interested in  
trying something better I can bring a block or two of Tillamook in Nero.

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Gary wrote:

> California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to  
> pass
> Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state  
> in our
> fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff,  
> that's
> 25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.   
> However I
> doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads"  
> with those
> great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football  
> games.
> No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore  
> Valley
> wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the  
> edge of
> your chair, for more cheese related facts visit  
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com
> where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.   
> Hmmm,
> time for some Monterey Jack!
>
> Gary
> 62 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
> To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll  
>> throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those  
>> adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat  
>> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california  
>> cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>> _______________________________________________
>> vintage.racer at comcast.net
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 17:06:46 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:06:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40D8F262-82A1-4CBD-9EF9-DEB775A1513D@bnj.com>

I assume you mean flat tappets, or are you just asking about solid  
versus hydraulic lifters?

If you mean flat tappets I don't think it will work very well. Roller  
cams ground for roller lifters take advantage of the tight curve of  
the roller to move the lifter quickly at the beginning of the opening  
cycle. You need more ramp with a flat tappet. I think you'd have  
serious wear problems. Might get away with using a ceramic lifter.

If you mean using solid vs. Hydraulics, then it depends again on how  
the cam was ground. Some cams are ground with a really radical  
initial ramp expecting the excessive acceleration to be taken up by  
the hydraulic lifter.

Why would you want to use a roller cam with flat lifters
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Jim Cun wrote:

> G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a  
> roller cam?
>
> Jim
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// 
> au.messenger.yahoo.com
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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon May  7 17:17:31 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV1A9773B536BEBBC8CC494B7450@phx.gbl>

Gary I couldn't agree with you more! If any of you get the chance to visit
S.F. head north after a few laps @ Infineon & on to Sonoma. (50-70 miles) In
the square you can see first hand how cheese is made while noshing on
everything wonderful washing it down with a cold one, crisp Chard or a
Sauvignon Blanc. ahhh.... nothing quite like it.

GT6kev in Colo. but always a  SF native!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
  Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
  fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
  25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I
  doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
  great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
  No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
  wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of
  your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
  where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
  time for some Monterey Jack!

  Gary
  62 TR4

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
  To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
<N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
<fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
  Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  > In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
  >
  > Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
  > in
  > some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
  >
  >
  > I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
  > Is
  > there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
Vermont
  > cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
  > No  Way!
  >
  > Jack Woehrle
  >
  >
  >
  > ************************************** See what's free at
  > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>.
  > _______________________________________________
  > vintage.racer at comcast.net<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  > Fot mailing list
  > Fot at autox.team.net<mailto:Fot at autox.team.net>
  >
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot<http://autox.team.net/mailman/list
info/fot>
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stinfo/fot>

From budscars at msn.com  Mon May  7 17:56:25 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <001401c79103$543690a0$f283b304@Bud>

you must mean Sonoma Jack...'See ya At The Track with some Good Sonoma Jack'
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <JWoesvra at aol.com>; <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


> California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
> Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
> fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
> 25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However 
> I
> doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
> great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
> No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
> wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge 
> of
> your chair, for more cheese related facts visit 
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com
> where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
> time for some Monterey Jack!
>
> Gary
> 62 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
> To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat 
>> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>> _______________________________________________
>> vintage.racer at comcast.net
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 18:01:13 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:01:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d5c.7d35b78.337117c9@cs.com>

FOT:   See below for brief description....NFI !!!    Not a race prepared 
engine. Engine installed and ran.  A V-8 engine was then planned......Engine & 
Transmission located in Wisconsin.

Priced well below cost of rebuild

Joe (A)



"The TR3 engine is fully assembled and even has the carbs attached to it.  
The oil pressure is 80lbs cold when using a drill to turn over the engine (plugs 
removed of course).  The engine was built using the big-bore kit.

The tranny is completely rebuilt as well. 

Neither the engine nore tranny have any miles on them.  The has been started 
a couple of times since rebuild just to lubricate it better than circulating 
the oil with the drill."    </HTML>

From budscars at msn.com  Mon May  7 18:10:27 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] and So
Message-ID: <005301c79105$492bcde0$f283b304@Bud>

And so.....as their activity in Racing waned due to things like ...Loss of
Memory(CRS Disease)...no longer being able to pull oneself out from under the
race car...Being black flagged for racing in the wrong direction...The Spirit
of the FOT did not weaken....They Began 'THE CHEESE WARS'
Racer Bud...Sonoma Jack

From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 18:50:42 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <20070508005042.94253.qmail@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Garry,
         Just a question. So I guess that you are not in favour of this technology? Not roller rockers but roller cam and solid roller lifters. I already use roller rockers "sham on me" and I am smiling :)
 
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Gary <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 8:40:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Jim:

Roller rockers in vintage racing?  How dare you!

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cun" <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Fot] Roller life


> G'day guys,
>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller 
> cam?
>
> Jim
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 18:55:20 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <696477.72222.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bill,
      I did mean solid roller lifters with a roller cam.  Thanks for your response it is clearer to me now. The knowledge and the sharing of it is just great! Thanks.
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 9:06:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life

I assume you mean flat tappets, or are you just asking about solid versus hydraulic lifters?  


If you mean flat tappets I don't think it will work very well. Roller cams ground for roller lifters take advantage of the tight curve of the roller to move the lifter quickly at the beginning of the opening cycle. You need more ramp with a flat tappet. I think you'd have serious wear problems. Might get away with using a ceramic lifter.


If you mean using solid vs. Hydraulics, then it depends again on how the cam was ground. Some cams are ground with a really radical initial ramp expecting the excessive acceleration to be taken up by the hydraulic lifter.  


Why would you want to use a roller cam with flat lifters

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


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Via email:
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Jim Cun wrote:


G'day guys,
          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller cam?


Jim


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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon May  7 19:27:40 2007
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:27:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>
References: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
	<463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <463FD20C.7030609@141.com>

Larry, do you mean something like the following?

http://www.141.com/dodge/photos/offy-intake.JPG

Thats the offenhauser intake I'm putting on my 51 dodge straight 6 engine.

Brad


Larry Young wrote:
> I've always wondered about the other extreme, i.e. 
> mount both carbs on a big plenum.  Has anyone tried that?
> Larry Young
> ______________________________________________

From JFrymark at aol.com  Mon May  7 19:41:09 2007
From: JFrymark at aol.com (JFrymark at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow
Message-ID: <c7c.c48f578.33712f35@aol.com>

Our usual event reporter, Steve Smith, wasn't in attendance, so I will  
volunteer this recap of a great weekend of racing on the Left Coast. An XLarge  
turnout of Triumphs:
 
TR3: Joe Dickerson, Steve Belfer
TR4: Paul Smock, John Frymark, Mike Bruner, Ken Knight
TR6: Edwin Soto
Spits: Chuck Gee, Alan Weins, Jerry Alford, Alan Mitzutani, Joe Siam, Gary  
Shuman, Steve Barth, Dale Crane, (I'm sure there were more...)
Herald: Jerry Barker, 1 other in a beautiful red convertible  (Cleary?)
 
Highlights:
- Sprite/Triumph Challenge Race (the MG guys have given up and race the  
Minis now) top 10 finishers were 2nd (Gee), 3rd (Barker), 4th  (Frymark), 6th 
(Shuman), and 7th (Bruner)
- Alan Weins turned a smokin' lap in 2:10 during the Sunday Flag  race
- Steve Belfer had a trouble-free first outing in his pretty TR3
- Nameless Triumph drivers butchered "Superfreak" during Karaoke
- Good turnout of pre-War racers and Brit car club attendees
 
Lowlight: 2 Italian cars turned turtle in separate racing incidences on  
Sunday . Drivers were unhurt thankfully.



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 21:09:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:09:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
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I'm bringing along an InFocus  digital projector, a screen that  
attaches to Nero and my Macintosh so we can have movie nights in the  
paddock at all the events we attend this year. I have a decent  
selection of DVD's (though I can't find the most important movies:  
Grand Prix, Le Mans, and Man and a Woman. All three are missing which  
means I put them someplace special). I plan to take any digital In- 
Car video anyone has as well as my own forward and rearward facing  
cameras, make a short video of the best passes and moves, and then  
show a movie. So if you have something special. bring it along. At  
Motrah I'll probably be showing some Nero Wolfe episodes, though if  
someone has Grand Prix handy I could be talked into that.

Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll  
bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a  
cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their peace  
(piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as  
they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon May  7 21:26:39 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 03:26:39 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <20070507.202739.2183.2649958@webmail12.nyc.untd.com>

Thanks to all who responded.  Some great information!  I will leave well
enough alone and keep my crossover flowing.  Joe(B)

-- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see the
mixture
pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
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  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
  much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
  moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
  downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
  given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
  intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
  plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
  stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
  sized modern one.

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  On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

  > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
  > was important, I would think that we would have seen
  > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
  > carbs.
  >
  > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
  >
  >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
  >> tube in my
  >> TR4
  >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
  >> should
  >> be
  >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
  >> different
  >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
  >> but that
  >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
  >> this?  Any
  >> dyno
  >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
  >> Joe(B)
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 00:40:07 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
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Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.

At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
> roller cam?
>
>Jim
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From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <200705080640.l486eDCU501380@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Further on this subject - you can see a picture of what happens at

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95258_hydraulic_roller_cams/




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:14:59 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Jack,
        I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the design by an engineer. 
 
Jim


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To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.

At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
> roller cam?
>
>Jim
>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:17:13 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <20070508091713.90216.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jack do you think this is a worthwhile modification?




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To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:51:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Further on this subject - you can see a picture of what happens at

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95258_hydraulic_roller_cams/




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:34:29 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <423168.57021.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
           l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
 
Regards Jim

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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue May  8 05:20:34 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:20:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It has 4 wires 
:  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - ignition, L 
- lamp, and P - for ?
Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?

Thanks for any help.

Allen

A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
1971 TR6  - Number 6

From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue May  8 05:26:35 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
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Tom,

I plan to attend with the TR6. However, I always travel with Richard 
and Dan Gehweiler who race a Mini Cooper. They are assisting with 
sponsorship of MOTRAH this year as "Stonefield Vintage Racing".  If we 
could both join you, we would need room for a modest trailer and two 
10' x 20' tents.

Just let me know.

Thanks for your efforts.

Allen

On May 7, 2007, at 1:15 PM, tom strange wrote:

> Jack, Joe...
>     Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it would 
> be better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and 
> do the set up ... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry 
> about claiming space etc ....
>     Any possibilities there?
>
>
> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>   thanks jack w!
>
> tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and 
> your offer to support is greatly appreciated.
>
> joe a
>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>>
>> Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near 
>> the
>> Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally 
>> located
>> to
>> EVERYTHING.
>>
>>
>> We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be 
>> a lot
>> of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who 
>> gives you
>> trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue May  8 06:30:52 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:30:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Book/Reference for setting up Weber Carbs
Message-ID: <003c01c7916c$b82311b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone care to recommend a good reference for setting up the 40DCOE?

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 06:44:23 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 07:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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References: <423168.57021.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200705081251.l48CpLBw024486@ns3.geneseo.net>

I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.

At 04:34 AM 5/8/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>Hi group,
>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any 
> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>
>Regards Jim
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May  8 07:16:51 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:16:51 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <d5a.8a538fc.3371d243@aol.com>

Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I enquired those 
were out of production with no plans to reproduce.  I can't imagine what they're 
worth now with the Dollar so weak.  Sure like to have them though...

I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 07:25:27 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <809896.19022.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If it's Quaife then that's about 3K for the gear set  and you still have to get them  to the states plus taxes I guess. 


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To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 11:16:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set


Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I enquired those were out of production with no plans to reproduce.  I can't imagine what they're worth now with the Dollar so weak.  Sure like to have them though...
I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.






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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:31:15 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:31:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
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You won't see a huge increase in power from adding a roller cam. I  
don't remember what engine you're using, but the increase in flow  
created by having longer duration enabled by the steep lifting ramp  
is never more than a few  percent. If you've optimized everything  
else and have no where else to go for another little boost then  
roller cams make sense, but otherwise they're a lot of hassle. The  
lifters wind up being pretty heavy too because they need a stabilizer  
bar between lifter sets to keep them from rotating. I've seen a lot  
of installations go bad when the cam grinds away at the head too--you  
have to control the cam thrust very carefully because it varies  
constantly--the cams hammer back and forth because there's no ramp on  
the cam faces--they have to be flat.

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On May 8, 2007, at 2:14 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> Jack,
>         I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to  
> make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it  
> would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and  
> lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the  
> design by an engineer.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
> To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life
>
>
> Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter
> will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite
> different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a
> figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the
> lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.
>
> At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>> G'day guys,
>>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a
>> roller cam?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Send instant messages to your online friends http:// 
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:36:03 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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The most efficient timing drive is chain in an oil bath--least  
friction. Actually Gilmer belts are even more efficient but they're a  
pain--they have a pretty short life cycle. In my Ferrari they need to  
be changed every 15K miles. By the time you maket straight gears cut  
you could pay for two gilmer drives though. Of course they have to  
run dry, so you'll need a little re-engineering of the timing chest.
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On May 8, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> Hi group,
>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any  
> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:38:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:38:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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Actually, Jim was asking about the frictional losses of helical  
timing gears--not something you worry about on a stock TR motor.
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On May 8, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation
> of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog
> synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That
> synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't
> know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess
> the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a
> Road America course lap time.
>
> At 04:34 AM 5/8/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>> Hi group,
>>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any
>> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:43:53 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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I've had the pleasure of buying two of them--the second one when my  
gearbox dropped onto the track at 120+ mph. Fortunately I bought both  
before the dollar became as valuable as yesterday's newspaper. They  
sure are nice, but they sure do make a lot of noise. The main reason  
for having them is NOT the shifting, it's the frictional loss. It's  
more than you'd guess, you can even see the difference with the  
crudest of measurements. For example, the stock gearbox gets very hot  
during a race, the straight cut is hardly warm to the touch.

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On May 8, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> If it's Quaife then that's about 3K for the gear set  and you still  
> have to get them  to the states plus taxes I guess.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Gt6steve at aol.com" <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 11:16:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
>
>
> Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I  
> enquired those were out of production with no plans to reproduce.   
> I can't imagine what they're worth now with the Dollar so weak.   
> Sure like to have them though...
> I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation
> of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog
> synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That
> synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't
> know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess
> the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a
> Road America course lap time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  8 08:10:15 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
In-Reply-To: <d0b.e62db25.3370f351@cs.com>
Message-ID: <30128.53273.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

and,
    where do these come from?????

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  MOTRAH-007 Dinner at the Motorplex on Friday night.

$20 per ticket.

You've been too busy in Maui to notice.

Keep the blogs coming en route. 

Joe A


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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue May  8 08:12:04 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Book/Reference for setting up Weber Carbs
In-Reply-To: <003c01c7916c$b82311b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
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On Tue, 8 May 2007, Scott Janzen wrote:

> Anyone care to recommend a good reference for setting up the 40DCOE?

Passini - The Weber Carburettor == The Bible

Pat Braden (sp?) - Weber and Dellorto Carbs == easy to read.

There's also a book How to Powertune Weber and Dellorto Carbs. I can't
recall the author. I have them all. Read 'em too. They're a tough read
when you need an answer right now.

Passini has all the info. It's a tough read, though. Written in passive
voice, so it'shard to figure out where he's going. Plus the phrase "suck
it and see" seems to be the watchword.

I liked Braden to get to square one. It was a lot easier to read than
Passini.

Other than that,  find out what others are using. If they tell you "I
drilled out a 125 main jet", don't use that as a starting point unless
they can tell you exactly what they did.

If you're trying to dial in, take what you get in the kit and get a plug
read. Then go in increments up/down of two sizes (if you can) 'till you
get the desired result and then try backing off one size to tweak.

Your best bet is to pay a dyno guy who knows Webers. His time will be
cheaper than buying the brass. Oh - if you need some odd Weber bits,let me
know - I've got quite a few (somewhere).

regards,
rml
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Tue May  8 08:19:54 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:19:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese???? The Challenge is ON!!!!
Message-ID: <c4d.143608fd.3371e10a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/8/2007 9:14:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin  
writes:

In a message dated 05/08/2007 7:20:23 AM Central Daylight Time,  JWoesvra 
writes:



I think you need to pick up the gauntlet on this cheese thing  and accept the 
challenge. Fridirici ought to be able to come up with some  wining "special" 
cheese I would think.

I can't imagine that queer  cheese from California could hold up to real 
Wisconsin  cheese.





The Beady Eye VINTAGE  TRIUMPH Racing Team, with it's twenty-five years of 
'Wine & Cheese'  attitude adjustment efforts, will lead by example, and not 
bourgeois  bravado.

Don Brick, was the operations manager of Swiss Valley Farms,  and more than a 
few times their World Championship cheeses would come directly  from the 
competitions in Paris to our greasy paddock tables at racing  events.  He is 
bringing some special cheddar next week end, and of  course, some of the best bleu 
cheese in the country.

And Fridirici's  ties to Grande Cheese will ensure that the finest provolone 
is available as  well.

Until that  time...

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue May  8 08:26:19 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:26:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
References: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7917c$d91431a0$84fea8c0@shop>

Most Denso Alternators are for modern cars that have a charging circuit that
is reguulated in part by the ECU.  My own (on the Honda S2000) has 4 wires
marked:
B (black) Battery
C (White/Green) Goes to the ECU
IG (Blk/yel) To ignition switch and the Electrical Load detection circuit
L (Wht/Blu) to the charging lamp circuit.

The ECU has another input from the Electrical Load Detector and the two
signals are used by the ECU to regulate tha amount of charge that is
delivered by the alternator.

I can't say for sure if yours works the same or if you can eliminate that
circuit and still make it work.  If you find out more, I'd love to know.

Regards,
Joe C

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:20 AM
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram


> FoT,
>
> I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It has 4 wires
> :  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - ignition, L
> - lamp, and P - for ?
> Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Allen
>
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May  8 08:33:18 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:33:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <d15.9aceb42.3371e42e@aol.com>

Well. if we were actually talking about timing gears as the title line 
says...I built one several years ago for the GT6 based upon a small block Ford three 
gear kit.  Worked fine and is presently running up in the NorthEast 
somewhere.  Didn't seem to contribute a thing and I didn't see it was worth the effort 
to set it up.
I've been drawing and noodling on a belt drive for several years but it too 
is way on the backburner.  Not enough gain for the effort, IMHO.  Steve

Actually, Jim was asking about the frictional losses of helical  
timing gears--not something you worry about on a stock TR motor.





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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue May  8 08:38:07 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
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The incentive for doing a roller cam is less for a TR3/4 engine than for 
a SBC due to the diameter of the lifters (0.935 for TR, 0.842 for SBC).  
The larger lifters allows you to use a more aggressive profile without 
running off the edge.
Larry Young

Jim Cun wrote:

>Jack,
>        I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the design by an engineer. 
> 
>Jim
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
>To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life
>
>
>Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
>will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
>different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
>figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
>lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.
>
>At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>  
>
>>G'day guys,
>>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
>>roller cam?
>>
>>Jim
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue May  8 09:04:34 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Figure 8 Gaskets?
In-Reply-To: <30128.53273.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C95F9952DC2546-6FC-160B@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com>

Anyone have some thickness .012" (+0 -.002)to sell?
 
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue May  8 09:15:11 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:15:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
Message-ID: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>

I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
advantages.

I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.

Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
sources.

I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
term.

One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.

These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
strength than the T6061.

Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
suppliers alloy valve caps?

If you do, then please tell me!

I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
valve
retaining caps and/or cam followers.

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Best Regards

Lion








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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 10:25:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:25:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
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The answer is titanium. the valve keys in alloy valve spring  
retainers creep downwards. I pack my valve springs to .060" (the  
springs bind when a .060 feeler gauge is inserted) and have seen as  
much as .100 of creep after the first race--less after that but they  
keep moving. And I don't use particularly strong seat pressure. I  
don't remember what it is, but it's not high compared to some racers  
I know, probably less than 200#, Bob Yarwood talked me into that and  
it's worked fine.

I replaced my alloy retainers with titanium, and no creep. At all.  
One brief sting to the wallet and you never have to worry about them  
again. No I don't know where they came from, Yarwood found them for  
me. I miss that old fart.

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On May 8, 2007, at 8:15 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote:

> I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers,  
> and the
> advantages.
>
> I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of  
> those sold
> by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous  
> results.
>
> Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all  
> kinds of
> sources.
>
> I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells  
> us very
> little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very  
> broad cover-all
> term.
>
> One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.
>
> These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater  
> tensile
> strength than the T6061.
>
> Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using  
> different
> suppliers alloy valve caps?
>
> If you do, then please tell me!
>
> I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give  
> proper
> technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones,  
> such as
> valve
> retaining caps and/or cam followers.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Lion
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Tue May  8 10:44:54 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <089101c79190$34c4a850$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of 
> using different
> suppliers alloy valve caps?

I got TR3 alloy retainers from British Frame and Engine.  Only went racing
once (1st in class at VTR 00 Autox) but put a lot of street miles on them
including some 2000 round-trip to the event (and another 2000 the next year
to Breckenridge).  They still look perfect; with no signs of the keepers
pulling through.  If I were building a 6-pot, wouldn't hesitate to buy from
BFE.

But, I haven't seen Ken recently; and his web site seems to be gone; so I'm
not sure BFE is still in business.

Randall


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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Tue May  8 10:46:27 2007
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
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Doncha just love it when suppliers refer to something as "alloy"  One 
thinks it must be aluminum, but as I understand things, many different 
metals can be considered "alloys".  I've used parts made from both "6" 
series and "7" series aluminum with equal success. I have also seen 
titanium used for valve spring caps.  That said, here's the wordy answer 
from http://www.materialsengineer.com/E-Aluminum.htm

1xxx Series.  These grades of aluminum are characterized by excellent 
corrosion resistance, high thermal and electrical conductivities, low 
mechanical properties, and excellent workability. Moderate increases in 
strength may be obtained by strain hardening. Iron and silicon are the 
major impurities.

2xxx Series.  These alloys require solution heat treatment to obtain 
optimum properties; in the solution heat-treated condition, mechanical 
properties are similar to, and sometimes exceed, those of low-carbon 
steel. In some instances, precipitation heat treatment (aging) is 
employed to further increase mechanical properties. This treatment 
increases yield strength, with attendant loss in elongation; its effect 
on tensile strength is not as great.

The alloys in the 2xxx series do not have as good corrosion resistance 
as most other aluminum alloys, and under certain conditions they may be 
subject to intergranular corrosion.  Alloys in the 2xxx series are good 
for parts requiring good strength at temperatures up to 150 0C (300 0F). 
Except for alloy 2219, these alloys have limited weldability, but some 
alloys in this series have superior machinability.

3xxx Series.  These alloys generally are non-heat treatable but have 
about 20% more strength than 1xxx series alloys. Because only a limited 
percentage of manganese (up to about 1.5%) can be effectively added to 
aluminum, manganese is used as major element in only a few alloys.

4xxx Series. The major alloying element in 4xxx series alloys is 
silicon, which can be added in sufficient quantities (up to 12%) to 
cause substantial lowering of the melting range.  For this reason, 
aluminum-silicon alloys are used in welding wire and as brazing alloys 
for joining aluminum, where a lower melting range than that of the base 
metal is required.  The alloys containing appreciable amounts of silicon 
become dark gray to charcoal when anodic oxide finishes are applied and 
hence are in demand for architectural applications.

6xxx Series. Alloys in the 6xxx series contain silicon and magnesium 
approximately in the proportions required for formation of magnesium 
silicide (Mg2Si), thus making them heat treatable. Although not as 
strong as most 2xxx and 7xxx alloys, 6xxx series alloys have good 
formability, weldability, machinability, and relatively good corrosion 
resistance, with medium strength. Alloys in this heat-treatable group 
may be formed in the T4 temper (solution heat treated but not 
precipitation heat treated) and strengthened after forming to full T6 
properties by precipitation heat treatment.

7xxx Series. Zinc, in amounts of 1 to 8% is the major alloying element 
in 7xxx series alloys, and when coupled with a smaller percentage of 
magnesium results in heat-treatable alloys of moderate to very high 
strength. Usually other elements, such as copper and chromium, are also 
added in small quantities. 7xxx series alloys are used in airframe 
structures, mobile equipment, and other highly stressed parts.  Higher 
strength 7xxx alloys exhibit reduced resistance to stress corrosion 
cracking and are often utilized in a slightly overaged temper to provide 
better combinations of strength, corrosion resistance, and fracture 
toughness.


Hope this helped,

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA, USA
'73 TR6

From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue May  8 10:57:34 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] E-85 conversion
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV7D08B37479CA27946825BB7440@phx.gbl>

Has anyone heard how expensive/complicated/practical converting our V-8,V-10
tow vehicles would be to a E-85 flex fuel system?

Thanks in advance..

Kevin

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 11:16:16 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <0F1FA257-40B1-4BBD-BBD1-7C536DE78FA0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no big deal.
   
  I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
   
  Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self proclaimed land of happy cows. 
   
  Ernie

Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
    

  Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their peace (piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.   
    Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Tue May  8 11:25:35 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
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References: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
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> I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It 
> has 4 wires 
> :  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - 
> ignition, L 
> - lamp, and P - for ?
> Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?

There are lots of different setups available ... in many cases it can be
changed just by swapping out the electronic module inside the alternator.
So it would probably be best to contact the people who sold you the
alternator, and get the information from them as to what module is installed
and how it should be wired.

But most commonly (AFAIK), "P" is an AC output from the alternator that the
ECU can use to determine alternator RPM.  If so, you should be able to
safely leave it disconnected.

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:35:07 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:35:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
Message-ID: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no 
> big deal.
>    
>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land 
> will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not 
> looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>    
>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self 
> proclaimed land of happy cows. 
> 

Ernie....

You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is OK).

Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in attendance 
next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager at Swiss Valley 
Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as well as some of the 
country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I 
plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to 
produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they 
choose to.

At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude 
Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous events from out 
EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It was special.  I have no 
reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in 
California will be very nice as well.

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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:43:17 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>

I'm with Bill on this one.  Get titanium ones.  I've had failures with the aluminum retainers, and I believe they were made from 7075, about as strong as you can get.  Contact Jerry Barker, he's on this list and should be able to help since they are the same as Spitfire. 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6


I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
advantages.

I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.

Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
sources.

I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
term.

One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.

These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
strength than the T6061.

Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
suppliers alloy valve caps?

If you do, then please tell me!

I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
valve
retaining caps and/or cam followers.

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Best Regards

Lion








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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 11:50:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Well, I'd bring some california cheese but I hear you have to prove  
you're gay to buy it, and I'm afraid I'd be stopped at the wisconsin  
border and "searched".
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On May 8, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Ernest Husmann wrote:

> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a  
> gonna be no big deal.
>
> I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese  
> land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be  
> said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>
> Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from  
> the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
> Ernie
>
> Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll  
> bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a  
> cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their  
> peace (piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well  
> Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 11:52:12 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 12:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
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I had strange things going on in my valve train and finally figured 
out that it was the valves slowly pulling through the retainers. 
Titanium for me, got them from BFE last year.

At 12:43 PM 5/8/2007, chasgee at aol.com wrote:
>I'm with Bill on this one.  Get titanium ones.  I've had failures 
>with the aluminum retainers, and I believe they were made from 7075, 
>about as strong as you can get.  Contact Jerry Barker, he's on this 
>list and should be able to help since they are the same as Spitfire.
>Chuck Gee
>Blacksmith Racing
>Spitfire
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:15 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
>
>
>I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
>advantages.
>
>I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
>by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.
>
>Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
>sources.
>
>I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
>little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
>term.
>
>One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.
>
>These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
>strength than the T6061.
>
>Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
>suppliers alloy valve caps?
>
>If you do, then please tell me!
>
>I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
>technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
>valve
>retaining caps and/or cam followers.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Lion
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 11:56:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
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Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at  
least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California  
cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.  
I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks  
like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between  
Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat  
square state just above California. California would the the state  
that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of  
questions that people are generally too polite to ask.

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On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,  
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a  
>> gonna be no big deal.
>>
>>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true  
>> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it  
>> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>>
>>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives  
>> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
>
> Ernie....
>
> You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is  
> OK).
>
> Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in  
> attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations  
> Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent  
> Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici  
> always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring  
> some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to  
> produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume  
> records, should they choose to.
>
> At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude  
> Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to  
> previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New  
> York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese  
> from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very  
> nice as well.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May  8 12:23:11 2007
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Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
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To: ryoung at navcomtech.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6


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But, I haven't seen Ken recently; and his web site seems to be gone; so I'm
not sure BFE is still in business.





Amici...

Ken is alive and well, but his wife has been ill, hence he is not always
available.

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May  8 13:06:50 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:06:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
References: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c791a4$08c8f440$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Further Cheese info:

Of course you know that after an earthquake out here on the left coast, the
cows produce cottage cheese...sorry, couldn't resist in light of previous
cheese related emails.

Gary
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ernest Husmann
  To: Bill Babcock ; KEVIN LYNCH
  Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com ; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com ; N197TR4 at cs.com ;
fot at autox.team.net ; Gary ; tstrange at new.rr.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Movie Night


  Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no
big deal.

  I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land will
represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not
looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.

  Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self
proclaimed land of happy cows.

  Ernie

  Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:


    Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll bring
a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a cheese challenger
should certainly do so or forever hold their peace (piece?). I believe a nice
Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there
white wine, yah sure.


    Bill Babcock
    billb at bnj.com
    bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:11:27 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:11:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>
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Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running 
from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already 
had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest 
Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along with 
several others).  Do they still make cheese in 
Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


>From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>To: BillDentin at aol.com
>CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, JWoesvra at aol.com, tstrange at new.rr.com, 
>fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
>
>Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
>least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California
>cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
>I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks
>like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between
>Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat
>square state just above California. California would the the state
>that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of
>questions that people are generally too polite to ask.
>
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
>You can subscribe to my Blogs
>Via email:
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>Sub=168304
>
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>
>On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a
> >> gonna be no big deal.
> >>
> >>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true
> >> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it
> >> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
> >>
> >>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives
> >> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
> >
> >
> > Ernie....
> >
> > You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> > OK).
> >
> > Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> > attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations
> > Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent
> > Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici
> > always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring
> > some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to
> > produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume
> > records, should they choose to.
> >
> > At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> > Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to
> > previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New
> > York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese
> > from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very
> > nice as well.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> >
> >
> > **************************************
> > See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
>_______________________________________________
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:16:37 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: Re:  Movie Night
Message-ID: <BAY102-F285FF0A07CCF75146CB0DE90440@phx.gbl>

>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:17:48 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: Re:  Movie Night
Message-ID: <BAY102-F134F3DCAD03ADDD3F2CE1C90440@phx.gbl>

Corrected,


>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to Canada,  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue May  8 13:23:42 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:23:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7448372B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<Oregon cows are not gay>>

Not that there's anything wrong with that (for the Seinfeld fans).



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:57 PM
To: BillDentin at aol.com
Cc: Klynch_6 at msn.com; JWoesvra at aol.com; tstrange at new.rr.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night

Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California cows
are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks like
California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between Boston and
San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat square state just
above California. California would the the state that looks a lot like a
pickle, which probably answers a lot of questions that people are
generally too polite to ask.

Bill Babcock
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On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna
>> be no big deal.
>>
>>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese
>> land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be
>> said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>>
>>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from
>> the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
>
> Ernie....
>
> You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> OK).
>
> Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager

> at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as

> well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of

> Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.

> Know that WISCONSIN will continue to produce the country's finest
> cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they choose to.
>
> At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous
> events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It
> was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay
> cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very nice as well.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
> **************************************
> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 14:15:22 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <641651.6475.qm@web58914.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yeah I know but those left coasters can't tell.
   
  Hopefully the cheese I bring will at least get an honorable mention after people taste the resources of Mr. Brick.
   
  

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  
Ernie....

You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is OK).

Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they choose to.

At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very nice as well.

Bill (Damdinger)



**************************************
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May  8 16:05:11 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 00:05:11 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
Message-ID: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

This is great.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1

From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 17:05:14 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:05:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>

I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little  
more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:

> This is great.....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
> _______________________________________________
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue May  8 17:33:33 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 18:33:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cranks
Message-ID: <15577794.1926771178667213670.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

>Sorry to bomb the list...

For  those folks who have ordered the Custom Cranks..

As of today they have been ..... from the actual words from the factory...

"roughed out and at first heat treat and way out from delivery" .
 

Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
gmt-8 Pacific time
626.358.1616 voice
626.628.3777 fax

From dave at microworks.net  Tue May  8 17:43:40 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070508234435.EDJD22040.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

The only thing that would have made it better is if the video had 
begun with him pulling up to the Toll booth and paying his 15 Marks 
to drive round the 'Ring.

Like Alonso in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbqR-KmLJ_w

At 04:05 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:
>I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
>more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 19:58:28 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:58:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>

Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the  
car didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.
Bill Babcock
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On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
> more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
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> Sub=168304
>
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>
>
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
>
>> This is great.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
>> _______________________________________________
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 20:17:29 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-shirts now for sale
Message-ID: <BAY123-F2CC66E9C45613763AA52DBA3B0@phx.gbl>

Ok fellow FOTrs time to order shirts.  Ted Schumacher has agreed to make a 
run of FOT t-shirts for us. These will be the same t-shirts we did for the 
Road Atlanta event a couple of years ago. They will be 100% cotton and ash 
in color. The front will be the current FOT logo silk-screened in full color 
and the back will have Never Be Beaten By Equipment and Kas Kastners 
signature silk screened across the shoulder blade area in black.  The left 
sleeve will also have FOT screened on it. The cost for the t-shirt will be 
$14.50 for sizes up to and including Xlarge. XXlarge and larger will cost an 
additional $1.50 per shirt per each X. XXL + $1.50, XXXL + $3.00.  $4.00 
from each t-shirt will go into the FOT fund that is maintained by our 
fearless non leader Joe A. to cover miscellaneous FOT expenses that pop up 
every now and then. The minimum order will have to be 72 shirts.

Here is how the ordering process will work. I will compile a list of orders. 
When the list is finalized I will forward it to Ted with all the details. 
Once I have gathered all the orders I will post something on the list saying 
it is time to pay Ted for the shirts and YOU will have to contact Ted (TS 
Imported Automotive 108 South Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Phone 
419-384-3022, or email tedtsimx at bright.net) and give him your method of 
payment info to cover the price of the shirts and shipping cost. Here is 
what I need from you: An email to trmarty at hotmail.com with shirt order in 
the subject line. Give me your name, address, how many t-shirts and what 
sizes. The price per shirts will be within plus or minus $1.00 of the prices 
I quoted you above because there is no way to do final calculations until we 
get a final count on the total of shirts ordered. Shirts can also be picked 
up at the Mid-Ohio event at the end of June. Please note that there WILL NOT 
be extra shirts made so if you want a shirt you have to order it at this 
time.  The cut off date for the orders is June 16th.
Thanks,
Marty Sukey

_________________________________________________________________
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue May  8 22:34:20 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:34:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
	<AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070509043934.XKXO2758.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

It wasn't and BMW was intentional not running the car at speed.

Here was the write up that ITV did on the run

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39093

"...Heidfeld was instructed not to take any risks
and to slow for photo calls on each of his three
laps, so his best lap of 8m34s  more than two
minutes shy of the outright track record  was
not indicative of what a modern F1 car might be capable of.

The ride height of the F1.06 was raised for
maximum ground clearance on the uneven surface
and the car was fitted with unusually hard demonstration tyres.

Despite short gear ratios Heidfeld clocked 170mph
the long Dvttinger Hvhe straight  but admitted
he was itching to take the car closer to the limit.

Id really like to have emptied the [fuel] tank, he said..."

At 06:58 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:
>Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the
>car didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
>You can subscribe to my Blogs
>Via email:
>All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
>http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
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>Sub=168304
>
>or Via RSS
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>
>
>
>On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
> > I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
> > more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
> > Bill Babcock
> > billb at bnj.com
> > bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> >
> > You can subscribe to my Blogs
> > Via email:
> > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
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> > Sub=168304
> >
> > or Via RSS
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> >
> >
> >
> > On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
> >
> >> This is great.....
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
> >> _______________________________________________
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May  9 01:07:53 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:07:53 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
	<AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c79208$c3b7e130$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Heidfeld did have demonstration tires on to slow him down.
He did 4 laps. One fast and the others are guided with camera cars to have
some footage.
The fast lap was very close to the record time Derek Bell did in his Porsche.
If he would have his racing tires on then he would be a lot faster.
The difference between demo tires and racing tires is 10 seconds on a normal
GP track!
So you can imagine how he was slowed down by these tires.

I think after he faced the Nordschleife with his F1 racer he should be able to
win in future. ;-)

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Bill Babcock
  Cc: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife


  Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the car
didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
  bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


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  On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:


    I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
    more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
    Bill Babcock
    billb at bnj.com
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    On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:


      This is great.....


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
      _______________________________________________
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Wed May  9 06:30:48 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>

Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
goop.

I have identified two potential issues. First, my exhaust runs extremely
close to the mount. That can't be helping the situation. Heat plus
rubber equals perished rubber.

Second, my rust prevention program seems to be coating the gearbox mount
with copious amounts of rust prevention fluid. Anybody that has ever
paddocked by me knows all about how strongly I must feel about my rust
prevention program... Last October when we ran with the Ohio Porche club
the 911 guy in the garage next to me followed me around with handfuls of
speedi-dry!

I plan on fabricating a shield to keep the oil off the mount, and doing
the modification described by Nick a while back.

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-08/msg00454.html

I think both will help the situation, but I am still suspect of the
quality of these mounts we are getting.

From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed May  9 08:16:13 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882090F1E34@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

Henry,

Charles Runyan has a HD mount. I filled it with silicone, kinda like a
gel sole on a running shoe. I only have about 5 days racing on it and it
looks good so far.  I gave up on the welded solution when I determined
that it added to the shaking float bowl issue.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Henry Frye
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:31 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts

Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
goop.

I have identified two potential issues. First, my exhaust runs extremely
close to the mount. That can't be helping the situation. Heat plus
rubber equals perished rubber.

Second, my rust prevention program seems to be coating the gearbox mount
with copious amounts of rust prevention fluid. Anybody that has ever
paddocked by me knows all about how strongly I must feel about my rust
prevention program... Last October when we ran with the Ohio Porche club
the 911 guy in the garage next to me followed me around with handfuls of
speedi-dry!

I plan on fabricating a shield to keep the oil off the mount, and doing
the modification described by Nick a while back.

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-08/msg00454.html

I think both will help the situation, but I am still suspect of the
quality of these mounts we are getting.
_______________________________________________
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Wed May  9 10:10:41 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Findlay, Ohio Cruise In
Message-ID: <4641F281.3050405@bright.net>

Hello list members.
Findlay, Ohio is having a car show/cruise in. This is Saturday, June 2. 
Features include a Danger Brothers concert, trophies, activities for 
kids and more. The city has reserved a parking lot on Main Street for 
British cars. This is a paved lot with about 60 parking spaces. Lot is 
right in the middle of the action. You can cruise, shop, eat or just 
relax. Yes, there will be adult beverages. Details and registration for 
the Findlay event are on the event web site. www.cartunesonmain.com 
Findlay is located on I75. 60 miles south of Ohio/Michigan border at 
mile marker 157.
If we dont have enough British cars for the parking lot, we need to 
release the lot so it can be used for something else. A cut off date of 
Memorial Day week-end needs to be used. Please specify you have a 
British car when registering. The event registrars are volunteers who 
may have no idea that you just signed up with a British car.

The following day is Ft. Meigs British Car Day in Toledo, OH. Come to 
the Findlay event then a leisurely drive the next morning to Toledo. 
About 40 miles. Contact for the Toledo show is Tony at 419/878-2041.

Thank you, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Wed May  9 12:39:52 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <BAY115-F38435932CA6648F0904BD08C3B0@phx.gbl>

Henry,

I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
could be a good breadwinner.

Shane Ingate in Md

>Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
>mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
>goop.

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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Wed May  9 12:54:11 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:54:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <cdf.e9057ca.337372d3@aol.com>

I seem to recall that the E-Ticket Triumph racers out west have a solution 
for this.  You might shout out to Paul Smock or Mordy Dunst.  I'm thinking 
their's are from a Ford or something and bulletproof.  Can't recall...



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May  9 13:05:44 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>

Shane, 

I made Derin (acetal) rear motor mount for our TR4 tranny.

It is the size and shape of the tranny mount pad, drilled through the 
crossmember and secured with bolts and fastened with Nyloks with no compression on 
the Delrin.

The front is stock mounting pieces with the TR4 Torque Reaction Arm that 
limits the EXTREME rotation of the engine, which occurs at FULL OFF throttle and 
braking following FULL ON  throttle.  The TRA does a good job of dampening & 
limiting the rotation of the engine.

Like I told Henry, everyone seems to have a different experience, but this 
works for me. I got tired of failures.

If enough folks are interested in a CoPoly Tranny Mount, I likely could 
produce in quantity. My first one was was done with a circular saw and drill. 

Joe (A)

> Henry,
> 
> I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
> would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
> could be a good breadwinner.
> 
> Shane Ingate in Md
> 
> >Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
> >mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
> >goop.
> 

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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  9 22:05:01 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
In-Reply-To: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>
References: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>
Message-ID: <920D4188-1ECC-4C0E-9C3C-0BC014526055@bnj.com>

I would think a polyurethane mount would make more sense than Delrin,  
though I realize there are a lot of varieties of acetal plastics  
available. The Delrin I'm used to using would seem to be much too  
hard for any useful shock adsorption.
Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 9, 2007, at 12:05 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Shane,
>
> I made Derin (acetal) rear motor mount for our TR4 tranny.
>
> It is the size and shape of the tranny mount pad, drilled through the
> crossmember and secured with bolts and fastened with Nyloks with no  
> compression on
> the Delrin.
>
> The front is stock mounting pieces with the TR4 Torque Reaction Arm  
> that
> limits the EXTREME rotation of the engine, which occurs at FULL OFF  
> throttle and
> braking following FULL ON  throttle.  The TRA does a good job of  
> dampening &
> limiting the rotation of the engine.
>
> Like I told Henry, everyone seems to have a different experience,  
> but this
> works for me. I got tired of failures.
>
> If enough folks are interested in a CoPoly Tranny Mount, I likely  
> could
> produce in quantity. My first one was was done with a circular saw  
> and drill.
>
> Joe (A)
>
>> Henry,
>>
>> I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
>> would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
>> could be a good breadwinner.
>>
>> Shane Ingate in Md
>>
>>> Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
>>> mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
>>> goop.
>>
>
>    </HTML>
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From budscars at msn.com  Thu May 10 20:24:15 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] free herald engines
Message-ID: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>

Hello gang...2 free Triumph Herald engines..must be picked up very
soon...Oakland Calif. .contact Bruce John at bjohn at bart.gov
Racer bud

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:14:47 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:14:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F9A9A503B9BD07A72BFD4390440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F25FB035DCCE057CC48F77590440@phx.gbl>

Sorry, meant to say from Mexico to Canada.....................


>From: "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
>To: billb at bnj.com, BillDentin at aol.com
>CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, 
>tstrange at new.rr.com
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
>Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:11:27 -0600
>
>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison
>
>
> >From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> >To: BillDentin at aol.com
> >CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, JWoesvra at aol.com, tstrange at new.rr.com,
> >fot at autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
> >
> >Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
> >least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California
> >cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
> >I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks
> >like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between
> >Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat
> >square state just above California. California would the the state
> >that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of
> >questions that people are generally too polite to ask.
> >
> >Bill Babcock
> >billb at bnj.com
> >bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> >
> >You can subscribe to my Blogs
> >Via email:
> >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> >Sub=168304
> >
> >or Via RSS
> >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
> >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour
> >
> >
> >
> >On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a
> > >> gonna be no big deal.
> > >>
> > >>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true
> > >> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it
> > >> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
> > >>
> > >>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives
> > >> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie....
> > >
> > > You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> > > OK).
> > >
> > > Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> > > attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations
> > > Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent
> > > Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici
> > > always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring
> > > some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to
> > > produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume
> > > records, should they choose to.
> > >
> > > At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> > > Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to
> > > previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New
> > > York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese
> > > from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very
> > > nice as well.
> > >
> > > Bill (Damdinger)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > **************************************
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Fri May 11 00:07:02 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:07:02 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MS Dewey search
Message-ID: <002001c79392$987bffc0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Came across this in a forum. The new way of search.
Take care that you don't get into a hurry if she insists

http://www.msdewey.com/

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 05:22:27 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:22:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-F45B307BCBD27937B291D2BA390@phx.gbl>

I will be out of town for work next week and then at MOTRAH at RA for the 
weekend so if you email me a t shirt order and do not get an acknowledgement 
be patient, I will get caught up when I return.

Thanks,
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 05:52:41 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Group,

                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  

Jim




      
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 05:55:54 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <20070511115554.88706.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Should have said " Has anyone had any experience positive or negative with using gapless rings?

----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 9:52:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings

Hi Group,

                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  

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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 11 07:37:45 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tom Householder
Message-ID: <00ae01c793d1$8f7361e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

Hey Tom, you out there, I need some TR race history and you da man!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com

From herald948 at aol.com  Fri May 11 07:38:31 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] free herald engines
In-Reply-To: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>
References: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <8C961E8CCAB9A25-9D0-779E@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: budscars at msn.com

  Hello gang...2 free Triumph Herald engines..must be picked up very
soon...Oakland Calif. .contact Bruce John at bjohn at bart.gov
Racer bud

==AM==
Darn, that's my kind of deal. Trouble is, driving 6000 miles round trip 
makes it less cost-effective. :-(

--Andy  Mace (wrong coast for these engines)

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From herald948 at aol.com  Fri May 11 07:43:20 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C961E978F9B4AC-9D0-77DD@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au
To: fot at autox.team.net
  Hi Group,

                  Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
gapless rings?

==AM==
I put them (TotalSeal conversion of Grant rings purchased from The 
Roadster Factory) in an "overhauled" 1147cc engine back in '96, for a 
Spitfire ex-race car that we used to autocross. I was very happy with 
them. But it's not like I have thousands of miles or great numbers of 
total hours on the engine, so I can't testify as to durability (haven't 
really done anything with the car since 1999).

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

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Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 07:57:19 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <190758.65831.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Andy

Thanks so nothing bad yet! The manufactures sings their praises but I have read some negatives as well. They sound like a real good thing.

Jim


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From: "herald948 at aol.com" <herald948 at aol.com>
To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 11:43:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings


-----Original Message-----
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au
To: fot at autox.team.net
  Hi Group,

                  Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
gapless rings?

==AM==
I put them (TotalSeal conversion of Grant rings purchased from The 
Roadster Factory) in an "overhauled" 1147cc engine back in '96, for a 
Spitfire ex-race car that we used to autocross. I was very happy with 
them. But it's not like I have thousands of miles or great numbers of 
total hours on the engine, so I can't testify as to durability (haven't 
really done anything with the car since 1999).

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 11 08:47:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
Message-ID: <c03.107073b1.3375dc1b@cs.com>

Marty

I have several inquiries that were sent to me and I will eventually forward 
to you to compare with your orders and to follow up as necessary.

FOT,   subject Grey vs White

I am wearing a Grey FOT shirt today. As Ted points out, you give up the 
official white in the coat of arms.

We did this before, so why not again. I suspect the majority would go for the 
grey. I vote for the Grey. I know that Bill Dentinger would.

Joe (A)   </HTML>

From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 09:16:24 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:16:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <279632.87767.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good morning,
   
  Everyone attending the Motrah 
   
  I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the FOT can paddock together. I plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the help of Jack Whoehrle to get me in.
  I will be setting up a small tent for a social area and securing enough space for us to get all the rigs and cars in one area. 
  To do this I need to know who all would like to be in the FOT area. So far the list I have is quite small, it consists of
   
  Alexander, Joe
  Babcock, Bill
  Barr, Scott
  DeLap, Dennis
  Fridirici, John
  Gehweiler, Dan
  Kramer, Robert
  Sukey, Marty
  Washatko, Allen
   
  If anyone else is coming, I would appreciate it if you would let me know 
   
  Name
   
  Race car
   
  Tow vehicle and trailer size (including if you need immediate access to your trailer, which side your awning is on if you plan to use it etc..)
   
  Tents you wish to set up
   
  Arrival time (approx) 
   
  This will let me lay everything out once so we can all have plenty of space 
   
  Any Semi-trailers (Bill Hart comes to mind)  The ground I believe is level enough there to pull in with a large rig if you wish, or there is hard surface pit area available at the track also  I will not be setting up hard surface area, so you will be on a first come basis on that one.
  The area we are moving in to will have a lot more competition than we have had before for our paddock space, so I do not want to try to reserve a lot more space than we will realistically be using.
  I am still building engines, so any help getting info to me, to make this easier will be greatly appreciated.
  Joe, if there is a special that we would like to show off in the reception area, please let me know as soon as possible.]
    I do not believe we will have electricity in this area, as we have in the past, so generators may be something to bring along 
    I will try to have one or two spaces clear in my shop at home (45 min to 1 hr away) if we need to work on any serious problems.  Its a small shop, but it is warm, dry, lighted, and occasionally has British beer in the fridge. , .....  not that I would encourage consumption of alcohol prior to a race ...  (I think its 1.2 hrs bottle to throttle isn't it?????)
    A separate email will come to those on the list so they know I have their info, and what all I have.
  Thanks in advance,
   
   


Tom

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#4 white spitfire

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 09:23:25 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:23:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
In-Reply-To: <c03.107073b1.3375dc1b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F187A590B5A448A6576B96DD2390@phx.gbl>

Whether you print them on whit or gray... they wind up gray anyway (unless 
you wash them with the red socks then they wind up pink)!

YMMV;O)


Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:55 EDT
>
>Marty
>
>I have several inquiries that were sent to me and I will eventually forward
>to you to compare with your orders and to follow up as necessary.
>
>FOT,   subject Grey vs White
>
>I am wearing a Grey FOT shirt today. As Ted points out, you give up the
>official white in the coat of arms.
>
>We did this before, so why not again. I suspect the majority would go for 
>the
>grey. I vote for the Grey. I know that Bill Dentinger would.
>
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri May 11 10:01:05 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:01:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thermostat - Old style - for sale on ebay
Message-ID: <46449341.8040700@greenheart.com>

These things are rare and for those that like them because they make the 
bypass operate as designed...   there's one on e-bay England.  --Justin
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200108766982&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

From JWoesvra at aol.com  Fri May 11 10:17:47 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:17:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <ccb.f0d84eb.3375f12b@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:16:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good  morning,

Everyone attending the Motrah  

I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the  FOT can paddock together. I 
plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the  help of Jack Whoehrle to get 
me in.
I will be setting up a small  tent for a social area and securing enough 
space for us to get all the rigs  and cars in one area. 
To do this I need to know who all would like  to be in the FOT area. So far 
the list I have is quite small, it consists  of


Tom,
 
I will not be there until Thursday, but Carl Jensen is your contact on Wed.  
His cell is 561-379-7751 and mine is 803-463-5388.
 
Carl says you can get in anytime on Wed.
 
Jack Woehrle
 



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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri May 11 14:41:36 2007
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <002901c7940c$c4d8f620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>

We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The Roadster
Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
group would be appreciated.

Tim

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 11 14:49:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:49:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <661A4FAA.56BC8483.00159EE9@cs.com>

Our best experience so far is Ted Schumacher's offering.  I have had mine in the car since the late 90s.  Methinks care must be taken to present moisture from entering a 'weep' hole. Over the winter the result is some parts that become frozen.  Just happened to us, but cleaned it up and back in business.

The Gustafson unit may be just as good, but the wires should be stabilized with a little silicone, for use in a race car.  Your mileage may vary.


Joe Alexander



"Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

>We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
>reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The Roadster
>Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
>group would be appreciated.
>
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 11 14:57:34 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
References: <002901c7940c$c4d8f620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>
Message-ID: <012301c7940f$008c3f40$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

Ted Schumacher can hook you up.  He's on this FOT list.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tim Murphy
  To: 'FOT'
  Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:41 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4


  We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
  reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The
Roadster
  Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
  group would be appreciated.

  Tim
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 11 15:46:22 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <cfc.f4f5baa.33763e2e@aol.com>

Another vote for Teds starters. He supplies the GOOD ones...
Glen



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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri May 11 15:49:10 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:49:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starters
Message-ID: <cd7.fa9c794.33763ed6@aol.com>

I agree with buying from Ted,
The problems I've seen with the other starters is that they are reconditioned 
instead of brand new.  No rebuilder bothers to replace the fixed contacts so 
after a bit of wear the big disc doesn't reliably close the contacts to spin 
the starter.  Spend the extra for one you know is new!  IMHO...Steve





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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri May 11 15:58:38 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:58:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
References: <cfc.f4f5baa.33763e2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601c79417$8a31d9f0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Roger That!

--Rocky Entriken

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Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4


> Another vote for Teds starters. He supplies the GOOD ones...
> Glen
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 17:47:16 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
In-Reply-To: <ccb.f0d84eb.3375f12b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <486030.82283.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can we get into the padddock anytime on Thursday as well?
   
  Dennis

JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:16:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good morning,

Everyone attending the Motrah 

I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the FOT can paddock together. I 
plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the help of Jack Whoehrle to get 
me in.
I will be setting up a small tent for a social area and securing enough 
space for us to get all the rigs and cars in one area. 
To do this I need to know who all would like to be in the FOT area. So far 
the list I have is quite small, it consists of


Tom,

I will not be there until Thursday, but Carl Jensen is your contact on Wed. 
His cell is 561-379-7751 and mine is 803-463-5388.

Carl says you can get in anytime on Wed.

Jack Woehrle




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From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri May 11 18:37:44 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:37:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>

I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  
m


>From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
>Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 06:52:41 CDT
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] gapless rings

>Hi Group,
>
>                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 11 18:41:20 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs. net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>

Total Seal gapless rings are available for TR4 engines.

I have used them and quite honestly couldn't tell the difference. 
Guys at my shop tell me that they don't see any difference in hp but 
they last longer and the power holds up longer.

At 07:37 PM 5/11/2007, Gasket Works USA wrote:
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.
>m
>
>
> >From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
> >Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 06:52:41 CDT
> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> >Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
>
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
> gapless rings?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 19:11:13 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:11:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] motrah entries
Message-ID: <679553.92299.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John, Henry, 
    Jack D has asked that I contact you ...  If you would like to paddock with the FOT at Road America, please let me know what you will be bringing.
    I need to stake out expensive real estate for our paddock area, therefor I need plot dimensions for each person.  This area is crowded, (and popular) and I cant block off more than we need, but I'd like to have enough space for everyone.
    If you would send me info on what you are bringing as far as tow vehicle, trailer (that can be put elsewhere or must stay with race car), do you plan on putting up a tent and if so, tent size and any special requirements ...  
    Thanks, I appreciate it.
   
   
  Anyone else...............
    If you would like space with the group, please get this same info to me so I can mark off real estate for you ....  
    The sooner the better as I wont have a lot of time to spend emailing back and forth to each individual....  
   
   


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri May 11 20:15:49 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs. net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <E1Hmh93-0002WM-00@pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 08:37 PM 5/11/2007, Gasket Works USA wrote:
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.

TotalSeal will make any size you want.  I used them on my
(now Tony Drew's) TR-4 for years.


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri May 11 20:18:06 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <E1HmhBG-0000GN-00@pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 08:41 PM 5/11/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>Total Seal gapless rings are available for TR4 engines.
>
>I have used them and quite honestly couldn't tell the difference.
>Guys at my shop tell me that they don't see any difference in hp but
>they last longer and the power holds up longer.

Yeah, that's the key there - if you check leakdown numbers,
the performance doesn't degrade anywhere near as quickly.


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Fri May 11 20:32:54 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:32:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Starters & gapless rings
Message-ID: <3973516.5460981178937174496.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

I have Ted's starters on both of my race cars and two of my street Triumph's. I would not buy any other kind. Trouble free and I am talking years. So long I can't remember when I bought the first one. Bought it years ago at The Summer Party fron Ted's booth.

I also run total seal rings in the #2 ring position on all by race cars. The TR3 had over 90 race hours before the last rebuild and the leak down was from the valves and not the rings. They even converted my Deves rings to gapless. The last time I needed some they were out of the blanks and it would be a few weeks. I had plenty of #2 rings from previous rebuilds and they said send them in and they would convert them. Got them back in a few days.

Dean

From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Fri May 11 22:57:46 2007
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 04:57:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] motrah entries
Message-ID: <051220070457.21598.4645494A000563310000545E22092246270E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net>

Tom: My TR is being brought to Road America with Bill Hart's Devin/TR. I have a consulting assignment in Milwaukee Monday thru Thursday so I was lucky that Bill was also going back. Tony Garmey is bringing the vehicles back in a 5th wheel two car trailer with a pretty good size cab. The trailer needs to stay with the race cars due to tools, etc. I've cc'd Tony on this e-mail so he can give you more precise dimensions. 

Appreciate the invite!

Regards, John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> 

John, Henry, 
  Jack D has asked that I contact you ...  If you would like to paddock with the FOT at Road America, please let me know what you will be bringing.
  I need to stake out expensive real estate for our paddock area, therefor I need plot dimensions for each person.  This area is crowded, (and popular) and I cant block off more than we need, but I'd like to have enough space for everyone.
  If you would send me info on what you are bringing as far as tow vehicle, trailer (that can be put elsewhere or must stay with race car), do you plan on putting up a tent and if so, tent size and any special requirements ...  
  Thanks, I appreciate it.


Anyone else...............
  If you would like space with the group, please get this same info to me so I can mark off real estate for you ....  
  The sooner the better as I wont have a lot of time to spend emailing back and forth to each individual....  





Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire

From jibjib at att.net  Fri May 11 23:53:27 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:53:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

Even if they don't stock them, they will take your existing rings and cut
them.  I had the second compression ring from a set of Deves rings cut by
Total Seal 7 or 8 years ago.  Back then it was $5 for set up and $5 for each
ring.  It was no sweat to risk $45 + the cost of the rings.  

While I have not checked my compression or leak down lately, I have had no
problems in my street/AutoX TR3 with BFE's 87mm kit.

Jack

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:38 PM
To: Friends of Triumph; Jim Cun
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings

I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  

From JWoesvra at aol.com  Sat May 12 05:55:59 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:55:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <cac.1055dc63.3377054f@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2007 6:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes:

Can we get into the padddock anytime on Thursday as well?
 
Dennis



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat May 12 08:33:40 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>

I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to get 
a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can also 
get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that part number.
Larry Young

>Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  

From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat May 12 08:55:11 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:55:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4645D54F.7080904@pobox.com>

Oops, that's the part number for conventional rings, the gapless ring is 
T9416.  For 89mm use T2675-1.  These are for pistons with 1.5/1.5/4.0 mm 
gaps.

Larry Young wrote:

> I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to 
> get a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can 
> also get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that 
> part number.
> Larry Young
>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>>
>> I didn't know these were available for Triumphs. 

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat May 12 11:05:44 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheels for someone
Message-ID: <d69.68a32aa.33774de8@aol.com>

Amici,
I'm forwarding the attached E-mail in the event any of you are interested.  
Nothing to do with me so contact her direct with questions.

Steve


Hi Steve, don't know if you remember me. I was the one looking for stuff for 
my husbands TR6.
We got just about everything from Goodparts in PA. Thanks for all your help!
I was wondering if you might come across anyone interested in a set of wire 
wheels.
This is a complete wire wheel conversion kit.
The wheels are Dayton Chrome Wire Wheels 15x6, the rear wheels are laced for 
a 1/2 inch more negative off set (outward). Gives the car a much better 
stance, as the original stance is narrower in the rear.
New adapters, studs & lug nuts. Three ear knockoffs (which are not available 
anymore).
This also includes the original painted wire wheels 5 of them which includes 
the spare tire on a painted wire.
In all 9 wheels and 5 tires.
The Dayton wires were custom ordered and only have 2000 miles on them. They 
are like new!
$1500.00.
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat May 12 15:12:04 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <20070512211205.75248.qmail@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Larry, 
        I have a order Custom JE ultra light slipper skirt with 2 ring gapless top. Thanks very all every ones input it has been of great assistance. No negatives from what I have read so thumbs up!
 
Jim



----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, 13 May, 2007 12:33:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings


I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to get 
a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can also 
get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that part number.
Larry Young

>Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  
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From scypher at usa.com  Sat May 12 15:43:03 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zenith Stromberg LP/IT Race Setup
Message-ID: <C961EAF9-184B-4116-9130-2E0B726C47D8@usa.com>

In the next week, I need to build up a carb (CD150) for the spit.  I  
have the ZS Haynes guide, Kas's first book, and the comp prep  
manual.  What other "tricks of the trade" should I look at doing,  
that may not be mentioned in the guides?
I have plenty of spares and needles to go through, so if there are  
particular parts that are better to use than others, I would  
appreciate someone sharing some information.  The only race carb I  
have was through-bored and the butterflies soldered, and all the  
bypass/temp/etc controls plugged off.

I'm also looking for a source for just carb float needs; I have  
plenty of gaskets, but almost no carb float needs to use in a rebuild.

As a final note, I am targeting the June 8th school at Gingerman.  If  
any of you follow the prod board, you'll know I bought out another  
racers car and setup, and installed my motor in it, and fired it up.   
The frame/roll cage I had been working on, I determined was not save,  
and the cage would need to be redone.

If anyone is looking for a frame/tub with a log-book history from the  
70's, I have that one, plus another that came from the other racer's  
buy-out.  Its the old drummond frame, for those of you who know of or  
remember the drummond brothers.

Thanks for listening
-Scott

From Labs0808 at aol.com  Sun May 13 04:26:11 2007
From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 06:26:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] request for a locate
Message-ID: <d46.9072f4a.337841c3@aol.com>

Does anyone know How to find Robert (bob) Nuzzo. 
I last heard he lived in Illinois but I can't find him. I recently  purchased 
a 
1958 corvette he restored and race in the early 90s. 
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sun May 13 18:36:32 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] triple webers on GT6 - Triumphtune manifolds
Message-ID: <001901c795bf$ebbd1c80$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I am starting to assemble the above and found the first problem - the linkage
rod goes through the castings with nylon (?) bushings, which needless to say
do not line up three in a row, and the rod binds.  Should I just cut the
castings, drill and tap for rod ends with adjustable height (of course, I
still need to get them lined up in one plane!), or is there a better
solution?

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun May 13 22:59:36 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
Message-ID: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>

#197 is finally running and is trailered

The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.

They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.

Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.

All is right with the world and it is Midnight.

See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder

Joe A   </HTML>

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:42:32 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F3AF05176EFAEE149B1ACBD23E0@phx.gbl>

>#197 is finally running and is trailered
>
>The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.
>
>They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.
>
>Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.
>
>All is right with the world and it is Midnight.
>
>See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder


I can't wait!

I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell bridge?

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon May 14 07:40:42 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F3AF05176EFAEE149B1ACBD23E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483AAA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 << I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell
bridge? >>

I just can't imagine it.  I'm sure it's an improvement of a sort, but I
really loved standing inside the old metal-sided bridge and listening to
the big bore cars thunder underneath.  Even better if you could stand on
the uptrack side of the bridge and peak through a crack to watch the
cars burst out from underneath.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:43 AM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sunday Night

>#197 is finally running and is trailered
>
>The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.
>
>They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.
>
>Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.
>
>All is right with the world and it is Midnight.
>
>See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder


I can't wait!

I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell bridge?

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






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>Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Mon May 14 07:45:56 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:45:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
Message-ID: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I want to bring that up again because I have some news about.

I've installed a new cam and tappets last year and now some of the tappets
don't look good and one is damaged.

I had a talk with a famous German cam manufacturer (Schrick) and they say that
tappets should be very slightly domed to handle geometrical imperfections. You
can run flat but it is better to have a dome less than 0.002mm (0.000079").
If the cam has a taper grind then you can have a dome of 0.004mm (0.000157")

The tappets on the market seems to have 0.007mm (0.00275") dome which could be
too much and a cause to cam failures. Depends on the cam if there is a taper
grind on.
So I think the better idea is to grind them flat and give them a slight dome
by hand on a lathe with fine sandpaper....

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: "'Larry Young'" <larry.young at pobox.com>; <Fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumph_marx at freenet.de>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: Tappet talk


> Actually, that's pretty much exactly what I said. A dome will help if it
> serves to move the contact patch off center. On a TR3/4 engine the cam is
> offset from the centerline of the lifter. If you have a domed lifter and an
> offset cam it will move the contact patch more towards the centerline of
the
> lifter, reducing the amount of lifter rotation.
>
> Note in the picture that the domed lifter does NOTHING to induce rotation
by
> itself. The first picture showing no rotation has a domed lifter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young [mailto:larry.young at pobox.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:57 PM
> To: Fubog1 at aol.com
> Cc: Bill Babcock; fot at autox.team.net; triumph_marx at freenet.de
> Subject: Re: Tappet talk
>
> Maybe a picture will help.  This is out of a Ford design manual -
> http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/CamTaper2.gif (do we believe Ford or
> Mercedes?). Keep in mind that the figure is greatly exaggerated.  With a 50
> to 60 inch radius, the total height of the crown is less than 0.002.
> Lobes in a TR4 engine are offset about 0.050 from the lifter bores.
> (Sorry Chris, all dimensions are in inches).
> Larry
>
>
> >In a message dated 1/6/2006 3:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >BillB at bnj.com
> >writes:
> >
> >I can't  visualize how doming would help rotation unless it was moving
> >the contact  patch off center in a cam/lifter pair where the cam lobe
> >was centered over  the lifter.
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon May 14 07:54:04 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820919E7A9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

Bad news from Texas. After a distressing weekend working on the car I
had to make a decision not to take the car. I thought I had fixed a
problem that showed up after I blew a head gasket tha last time out at
TWS. After that I found that all 4 intake valves had stuck and that the
reason I was blowing head gaskets was worn out threads in the head stud
holes. After I replaced the threads with Timeserts on the 6 holes on the
top of the block I restarted the car and found it to be very noisy.
After a protracted diagnosis I found that the camshaft was bad with a
lot of excess end float. So I replaced this obviously bad part and
readied the car in other ways for the race. When I started the engine
after replacing the camshaft it sounded pretty good but was a little
noisy. The noise would go away over 2000 RPM. The next time I started
it, this past Saturday it was even noisier. I replaced the oil since it
still had some water in it but that didn't help. After pulling the head
again and rechecking all that I can check it still sounds the same. I
should have pulled a piston when I had the head off. So after all that
it looks like I had more than one problem and the camshaft wasn't the
only cause of the noise. At this point I'm thinking I damaged the
piston/wrist pin bore when it overheated at TWS. I don't have the time
left, or the parts to fix that. It is possible that it is just piston
slap which might not lead to a catotrophic failure, but I don't want to
take that chance. Net result I'm not bringing the car. I am very bummed.

I had a crew of 4 coming with me. I think there is a good chance that we
still might make the trip just to come watch. Does anyone have spare
crew passes?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May 14 08:04:24 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:04:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <d28.bf49d08.3379c668@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 8:54:32 AM Central Daylight Time, 
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

Please Come!  

Give me names of those needing passes and I'll see what I can do.

You need a vacation after all of that. Cant think of a beeter one than Road 
America

Joe (A)

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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May 14 08:25:26 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:25:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <cf3.10128986.3379cb56@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 8:54:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

I had a  crew of 4 coming with me. I think there is a good chance that we
still  might make the trip just to come watch. Does anyone have spare
crew  passes?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North  IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx  512-272-9365


Bob,
 
We will of course give you a refund. We will also let you have as many VIP  
passes as you need.
 
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SVRA



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May 14 08:35:55 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:35:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <cb5.10b92847.3379cdcb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 9:34:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

 
That is great. I will  probably still come because I planned the trip with my 
son and a couple  of friends. One friend was sick all weekend so he may not 
come. I'll get this  car to an SVRA event soon. I promise.
Thanks for the  refund. If I can't latch on as crew I'll look you up. Strike 
that,  I'll  look you up anyway.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 08:56:51 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] crew pass
Message-ID: <645667.2677.qm@web58912.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Anyone have a spare crew pass or two available for this coming weekend?
   
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May 14 19:05:49 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:05:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fridaly Night Ticket for Dinner
Message-ID: <c9c.fcbf602.337a616d@cs.com>

FoT,

I lost one of my entourage, but gained two more.

Does anyone have an extra dinner ticket that I can buy?

Thanks,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Mon May 14 19:41:11 2007
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
References: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000601c79692$1e553240$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2>

I regret that I won't be there this year. With my move north to Kentucky and
my son Sam's spinal fusion surgery a few weeks back, I found it just too
difficult to make this year's event.

I know you guys will have a blast! 
See you next year!

Mike

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Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:00 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night

#197 is finally running and is trailered

The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.

They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.

Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.

All is right with the world and it is Midnight.

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From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 05:56:00 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
Message-ID: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1 while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?
   
  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15 really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX. Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives would affect oil pressure.
   
  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they that important in a street engine?
   
  Thoughts???
   
  M

       
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May 15 06:16:00 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:16:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <200705151216.l4FCGMYU210798@ns3.geneseo.net>

As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
who helped with this search.

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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May 15 06:30:13 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:30:13 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
Message-ID: <003601c796ec$ca0dd1a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Maybe too much advance?
Or the rod's big end is out of round?

Cheers
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent rod,
been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would wear?
Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?

  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought it
was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when they
start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX. Followed the
oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives would affect oil
pressure.

  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?

  Thoughts???

  M

From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May 15 06:32:23 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:32:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <003901c796ed$16de9550$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Wow...that's great news.
I'm very happy that Keith has a Kastner car.
Hope it will win at RA.

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews
To: chris at tr4-racing.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS



As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.


The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
that would prove it.


We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.


Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.


BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.


We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
who helped with this search.


uncle jack




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 15 06:37:29 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:37:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <c85.145e0b0f.337b0389@cs.com>

Jack & FoT,

INCREDIBLE NEWS!!!!

Larry Rossi is actual from near Stowe, Vermont. 

It was a conversation with Kas that led me to pose the questions about it's 
provenance. After telling Kas a little bit about the history of the 
Spencer/Rossi/Files TR4, Kas suggested that this 'might' be a Sebring car, as Spencer 
took possession of one or two of the Sebring cars. 

Certainly all of FoT can be excited about the find and uncovering of such a 
historical car. 

Since Keith is here in the US to race his "SEBRING" TR4 and Kas & Peg are 
currently en route to join us, it makes it all the more sweet.

Kas will be able to make the final inspection at this time.

Yee ha!

Joe Alexander



  


> As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
> to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
> Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
> car from new.
> 
> The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
> by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
> for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
> showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
> of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
> this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
> that would prove it.
> 
> We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
> the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
> underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
> line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
> bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.
> 
> Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
> getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
> more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
> and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
> engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
> welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.
> 
> BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
> straight up.
> 
> We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
> Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
> Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
> who helped with this search.
> 
> uncle jack 
> 
> 
> 

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From tsheach at pba.co.uk  Tue May 15 08:22:17 2007
From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:22:17 +0100
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <E1HnxqB-00016W-6a@esau.t-mobile.co.uk>

Fantastic news! Great to hear that another genuine car has survived .....
Drive carefully.

My best wishes to all for the big weekend.

Tony

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From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: 15/05/07 13:32
Subject: Re: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

Wow...that's great news.
I'm very happy that Keith has a Kastner car.
Hope it will win at RA.

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews
To: chris at tr4-racing.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS



As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.


The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all

From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue May 15 08:42:24 2007
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <BAY136-DAV109CED47CCCB076F1739A3C83D0@phx.gbl>

Hi All-

First: YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!

I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story for
The Vintage Triumph

Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
history with the car.

I almost certainly have photos of Jim Spencer racing the car at Watkins Glen
and perhaps other tracks.

Where is the car going to be when Keith isn't here to race it?

Very exciting!

Mike Cook
10 Hawthorne Rd.
Wayne, NJ 07470

973 835-9079
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From: Jack W. Drews
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:17 AM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kas kastner; trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
who helped with this search.

uncle jack



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue May 15 08:48:55 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:48:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
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Now you'd better drill out that hole again! ;)

~Steve

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack W. Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:17 AM
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kas kastner; trhouse at greenapple.com; 
> fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
>
> As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
> to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
> Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
> car from new.
>
> The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
> by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
> for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
> showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
> of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
> this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
> that would prove it.
>
> We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
> the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
> underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
> line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
> bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.
>
> Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
> getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
> more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
> and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
> engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
> welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.
>
> BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
> straight up.
>
> We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
> Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
> Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
> who helped with this search.
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May 15 09:28:10 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:28:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
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References: <200705151216.l4FCGMYU210798@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <8C9651CC7895063-DA0-1356@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com>

That's really cool!  I think Jon may be related to Sherlock Holmes...
 
You guys have a great time at Motrah.  Us West Coast (including Vegas) racers are envious and wish we could be there.  If you get a chance, look up a VARA member out there with you racing a Sprite.  His name is Gerald Allen.  Ask him about the Triumph frieght train that went by him at the British Extravaganza last weekend.  He'll probably say that he let us by because he was saving his motor for Motrah.  I like our version of the story much better!
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
 
 
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To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kaskas at cox.net; trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS


As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
who helped with this search.

uncle jack 



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May 15 09:47:15 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:47:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <bff.174f82cc.337b3003@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/15/2007 9:38:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
mlcooknj at msn.com writes:


> I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
> historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story 
> for
> The Vintage Triumph
> 
> Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
> history with the car.
> 
> 

Mike...

Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with SVRA 
at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for you. 
 Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with the 
car.

Bill Dentinger



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 10:12:45 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
In-Reply-To: <bff.174f82cc.337b3003@aol.com>
Message-ID: <853583.5829.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill:
   
  If someone could introduce me to Mr. Rossi, I have already told Mike that I would be happy to bring my cameras to RA and take photos.  I could also forward contact information.
   
  Ernie

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/15/2007 9:38:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
mlcooknj at msn.com writes:


> I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
> historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story 
> for
> The Vintage Triumph
> 
> Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
> history with the car.
> 
> 

Mike...

Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with SVRA 
at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for you. 
Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with the 
car.

Bill Dentinger



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 15 11:19:59 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:19:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <d00.fa25ef3.337b45bf@cs.com>

He no longer on the FOT List but I am in contact with him.

Joe


> Mike...
> 
> Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with 
> SVRA at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for 
> you.  Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with 
> the car.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 

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From tr5racer at btinternet.com  Tue May 15 16:02:19 2007
From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:02:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <70348.84092.qm@web86614.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

As I am coming over from the UK to drive the car in the Enduro on Friday I am more than pleased that the cars provenance has now been verified.
   
  According to an old Sports Car Graphic of mine, Jim Spencer finished 5th overall and won his class in a TR4 at the 1964 Badger 200 Enduro at Road America in 1964. Do you think this was also in Keiths car?
   
  See you all Friday.
   
  Regards
   
  Mike Hughes

       
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From jibjib at att.net  Tue May 15 21:25:45 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03bb01c79769$e51c0ed0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

Mark,

Is it possible that #1 big end isn't getting enough oil?  I know the engine
oil pressure is good, but perhaps there is a restricted passageway coming
out of the crank.

Also, what does the wear look like?  Is it even across the journal or offset
to one side?  

This is purely conjecture on my part.  I have not experienced uneven wear
like you described.

Jack

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mark eginton
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:56 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent
rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would
wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?
   
  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought
it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when
they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX.
Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives
would affect oil pressure.
   
  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?
   
  Thoughts???
   
  M

       
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May 15 13:39:51 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:39:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <006201c79728$ce5c7400$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello All:

Several months ago the subject of modern oil formulations and their effect on
our flat-tappet equipped engines was discussed here.  One CSRG members, Harlan
Halsey, decided to investigate and found some interesting information.  The
following is a summary of his findings.

Gary
62 TR-4

On ZDDP



When I was a boy growing up on Long Island during the war gas stations sold
oil both in cans and in bulk. Stations usually had three rectangular 40 gallon
tanks with pumps on top at the back of a service bay, and a shelf with
pre-filled 20W, 30W and 40W glass bottles on it. The bulk oil was cheaper, and
although the stations held that it was the same stuff, most people believed
that the canned oil was somehow better. We also watched to see that the glass
bottle was completely emptied into the engine; we wanted every drop we paid
for! By 1963 when I bought my first Porsche, Pennsylvania oils were thought to
be best (Quaker State Racing oil in the engine, Oilzum in the transmission,
AMOCO "no lead" white gas in the tank, and off to Thompson or Lime Rock with
the Lotus). I used Quaker State oil exclusively both on the track and on the
street. But by sometime in the 1970's Quaker State became Pennsylvania "grade"
oil signifying that the base stock no longer came exclusively from the
Pennsylvania wells.  In the 1990's I learned that Kendall Oil was the best
stuff, and used it exclusively until, a few years ago, I heard the Kendall Oil
had changed and that some recent camshaft failures were thought to be traced
to that oil. I changed to Mobil 1 and SWPCO. And then I read several articles
alleging that the Kendall  Oil problem was traced to the reduction of ZDDP. In
the interests of longevity of my 60's era cars I decided to look into the ZDDP
situation. I called and spoke with technical people at The American Refining
Group-Brad Penn Oil, SWEPCO and Exxon Mobil. Brad Penn and SWEPCO were very
helpful. Exxon Mobil, even on their technical line, was not. Here's what I
found:

ZDDP is a molecule which reacts to pressure in such a way as to prevent metal
to metal contact in high pressure places. It will not be easy to replace this
function. This is especially important for "flat" tappet cam followers, and
grows more important the higher the valve spring force. Higher valve spring
forces result from longer duration or higher the RPM, the way 90 HP production
cars were turned into 130HP SCCA "production" race cars in the 60's. Modern
cars are engineered around this by using overhead cams or roller followers, so
we, with older technology, are part of a shrinking market. There may be
substitutes for ZDDP, but as the engine technology has moved on, the effort
toward finding one will not be as it was in the mainstream we were used to.

ZDDP was first added to engine oils sometime between the late 30's and the mid
1940s. All post war high performance cars depend on it. It is an additive for
which they were engineered.

There is a limit to how much ZDDP is beneficial because too much causes
harmful deposits in the engine and can cause piston ring sticking. Between .1%
and .2% by weight seems to be about right.

The current flap over ZDDP probably originated because it was found that
catalytic converter life could be extended if the amount of Phosphorous in
motor oils were to be reduced. But what exactly is mandated, and by whom, is a
bit murky: There seem to be four players in this game; the American and
Japanese car companies, the API (American Petroleum Institute), the ILSAC (
International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee) and Big
Brother. The car companies are interested in longer catalytic converter life
for warranty cost reasons. The ILSAC's purpose seems to be to deal with
current cars and certify oils for those cars. These cars use only 0W20or 30,
5W20or30, and 10W30. The API is a "branding" agency like Good Housekeeping or
the UL. The latest API SM approval follows the ILSAC lower ZDDP only for the
ILSASC oils, not (yet) for the heavier 40W and up oils. This means that the
oil companies can, for the moment, use greater amounts of ZDDP in their 40W
and up oils and still get an API SM rating. It does not mean that they do.

Jim Shannon of the American Refining Group wrote, ".in regards to the
reduction of Zinc dialkyl dithio phosphate (ZDDP, ZnDTP, or ZDP) in the SM
rating . the reduction is the result of the EPA mandated reduction of the
phosphorus content in Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO).  The phosphorus is @ 90%
of the ZDDP additive system.  As a guideline, the phosphorus ppm limits for
most recent API service categories are: SH-1200, SJ-1000, SL-1000 and SM-800.
The primary viscosities involved in these PCMO categories are the lower
multi-vis formulations e.g. SAE 5W-20, 5W-30 and 10W-30.  This is due to the
fact they fall under ILSAC energy conserving viscosity guidelines and are also
the viscosities recommended in the [modern car] Original Equipment
Manufactures (OEMs) owner's manuals."  Thus it is not yet mandated that all
oils have limited amounts of ZDDP. And the appearance of am SM rating does not
necessarily mean that the oil has less than .8% ZDDP.  Some gasoline engine
oils such as Mobil 1 15W50 EP, and SWEPCO 20W50 and 15W40, have "much more
than 1% ZDDP". And diesel engines require ZDDP in the piston pin area because
of high loading, so to date diesel engine oils (API CI-4 and earlier) are
unaffected.

At least three of the smaller oil companies have responded to the ZDDP flap
and continue to produce high (>.1%) ZDDP oils: SWEPCO is one, Motor Head Hi-Z,
is another and Brad Penn Lubricants, producing Penn Grade 1 Racing Oil is a
third. SWEPCO oils and other products can be purchased through Pat Dewitt in
Sacramento (916-996-1072), Motor Head Hi-Z advertises in Skinned Knuckles
magazine (800-242-8649), and Penn Grade 1 Racing Oil is the original Kendall
Oil Refinery advertising in Circle Track magazine (local source is Karmont
Development in Danville, CA.  The contact there is Monte Berney, and he can be
reached at (925) 766-4680; www.amref.com).

Apparently when Kendall Oil was sold, only the brand name went to Conoco
Phillips. The Bradford, PA refinery cannot refine anything other than the
original Pennsylvania grade crude.  Conoco Phillips didn't want it. So the
American Refining Group is operating the Bradford refinery and producing the
original Kendall oils under the name Brad Penn Premium Pennsylvania Grade
Lubricants and producing high ZDDP oils.

Whether the reduction in ZDDP from .1% to .08% will make a difference or not
is unclear. But what is disturbing is that the oil companies' interest is no
longer aligned with ours. We can no longer take it for granted that oil
companies will produce the best oil of which technology is capable for the
price, and that over time engine oils will continually get better, or that we
will know about changes affecting us as they occur. With Big Brother in the
picture, oils may get worse in the future in order to meet some criteria other
than engine longevity. We may not know about it until it is too late. The
Kendall-Conoco-Phillips situation is illustrative: The stuff now labeled as
Kendall is made by another company without any indication of that on the
label. The engineer answering the Mobil telephone technical line (800-662-4525
option 3) refused to tell me how much ZDDP is in the various types of Mobil 1
citing company confidentiality. But he assured me that for now, the API-SL
rated Mobil1 15W50 EP has "much more" than 1% ZDDP. The engineer I spoke to on
a subsequent call about the non EP, API-SM rated version of the 15W50 refused
to give any information about ZDDP levels other than to say that there is more
of it in the EP version. That fact alone is suggestive. But I rather doubt
that if in the future Mobil decides to lower the amount of ZDDP they will let
anybody know.

There are engine oil supplements such as GM's EOS and STP 4-Cylinder Oil
Treatment, but these are not pure ZDDP, and do not specify the amount of ZDDP
in them-if any. So they would seem to be useless for the purpose of adjusting
the ZDDP level in deficient oil. (EOS has been around for ages, it is a
component of Win Lube, with which we faithfully slather our new camshafts. But
since the contents are not disclosed, who knows if today, it is even the same
stuff we have been using?)

One obvious solution is to stock up now on enough of the good stuff to last a
few racing seasons-assuming that vintage racing isn't banned altogether as
contributing to global warming! (In that case, there's always Neville Shute's
solution). If you stock up, you'll have enough time to figure out what to do
until a source of ZDDP is found and we know how to use it, or we find we can
live without it. Who knows, in the future, getting a little ZDDP may become as
exciting as was getting a copy of "Lady Chatterley's Lover" in the 50's.

Harlan Halsey

From BillB at bnj.com  Tue May 15 22:19:40 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:19:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Northwest Contingent
In-Reply-To: <8C9651CC7895063-DA0-1356@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609682C@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

 I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but there will be a sizable
Northwest contingent at Motrah. I'm in Sioux City Iowa as I type (in a
campground with Nero and Peyote) and I know Tony Garmey is on his way
from Seattle with Bill Hart's Devin Triumph and John James' TR4. See you
all soon.

Bill
On the road.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:28 AM
To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; n197tr4 at cs.com; kaskas at cox.net;
trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

That's really cool!  I think Jon may be related to Sherlock Holmes...

You guys have a great time at Motrah.  Us West Coast (including Vegas)
racers are envious and wish we could be there.  If you get a chance,
look up a VARA member out there with you racing a Sprite.  His name is
Gerald Allen.  Ask him about the Triumph frieght train that went by him
at the British Extravaganza last weekend.  He'll probably say that he
let us by because he was saving his motor for Motrah.  I like our
version of the story much better!

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kaskas at cox.net; trhouse at greenapple.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS


As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 to
go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in Connecticut,
previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased by
Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver for
Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage showed
that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all of Kas'
cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that this was a
genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link that would
prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on the
FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the underhood area
of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler line ran across the
inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp bolted to the inner
fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender more
closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, and it
had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the engine
compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the welder
didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all who
helped with this search.

uncle jack



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From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed May 16 05:34:09 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:34:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1A644729445F147DD357CC33C0@phx.gbl>

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Stetler<mailto:tlizzard at msn.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car


  Thanks for the very informative post.
  I believe that the Red Line oils are still on "our" side as well.

  Seems to me that if this trend continues, and it no doubt will, we will have
to find ways other than obscure lubricant formulations to continue to enjoy
our vehicles.  This will require the acceptance of the situation by the
governing bodies of our sport, to allow modernising to accomplish the goal of
continued operation.  Of course the hardest nut to crack will be conservative
old timers like myself, who really cringe at the thought of modern components
in our old cars.  But given the choice of parking it or using it, I'll side
with using it, even if that means some pretty radical changes to engine
specification.

  Terry Stetler

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May 16 06:18:48 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:18:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Northwest Contingent
Message-ID: <d0a.fd6fc13.337c50a8@cs.com>

Bill Babcock

If you are already on Highway 20....why dont you stop for break in Jesup? Kas 
will likely be be here, but later in the afternoon.

Exit 245 near Waterloo.

We are leaving at 4:00PM for Geneseo, IL (Uncle Jack's)


645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 
319.464.4711


> I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but there will be a sizable
> Northwest contingent at Motrah. I'm in Sioux City Iowa as I type (in a
> campground with Nero and Peyote) and I know Tony Garmey is on his way
> from Seattle with Bill Hart's Devin Triumph and John James' TR4. See you
> all soon.
> 
> Bill
> On the road. 
> 

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed May 16 06:42:12 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road America - East Coasters?
Message-ID: <018701c797b7$a0b27dd0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone going to Road America from the mid-Atlantic this weekend?  I am looking
for someone who has space on the return for four used wheels with tires
mounted on them.  I'm near Philadelphia but will travel to you to get them.

From BillB at bnj.com  Wed May 16 08:32:10 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
References: <006201c79728$ce5c7400$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609664B@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

wow, Who is Harlan Halsey. Dude can write.

From herald948 at aol.com  Wed May 16 08:59:46 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:59:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tornado on eBay
In-Reply-To: <175245938.1179324941111.JavaMail.SYSTEM@rc-v3conta018>
References: <175245938.1179324941111.JavaMail.SYSTEM@rc-v3conta018>
Message-ID: <8C965E1FA434EE0-15D4-5A43@mblk-r32.sysops.aol.com>

Anyone see this? Anyone interested? On eBay....

Item number: 150123022580
Item URL:   
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501230225
80&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11>
Current bid:    US $7,500.00 (0 bids)

--Andy  Mace

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Wed May 16 09:34:58 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:34:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <d09.1088e49d.337c7ea2@wmconnect.com>

The most useful information that I have so far found, after a LOT of 
research, regarding the zddp in oil fiasco is at:

<A HREF="www.lnengineering.com/oil.html ">www.lnengineering.com/oil.html</A> 

nb. 

1) GM's EOS and STP's 4-cylinder engine oil treatment (RED) bottle are 
recommended as being able to raise the zddp levels.

2) The Phosphorous is not 90% of the formula, it is more like 60% as the Zinc 
& Phosphorous are synergistic.

3) Keeping a stock of old engine oil may not be the answer either, as I have 
read that the additive package may settle out? 

Apart from that a lot of good work in the previos email by Harland.

Regards

Leon 

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From doddk at mossmotors.com  Wed May 16 12:24:50 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1179338400.10931.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0C457634@kb1.mossmotors.com>

A friend of mine in Santa Monica, CA has been ordered to demolish over
50% of his non-compliance building after 20 years of use. Amidst the
incredible wealth of British parts that have to go is a pretty complete
GT6+ that has been in outside storage for many years. If a home isn't
found very quickly the car will be crushed.

No history on the car and probably no paperwork. The car has a
mismatched bonnet with it, with metal covering the turn signal holes.
There is also some lettering indicating that it may have been a stalled
race car project.
The car could be restored, but a lot of bits such as lamps are missing
so I would not jump on this as a candidate for a lick of paint and sell
for profit.

The car is very buildable and although stored outside as typical in CA
it does not have much, if any (I didn't examine the car fully). It just
looks disreputable as all heck.

I did my bit and hauled home a charity case MGA coupe yesterday. Is
there anyone in the L.A. area that can give this jewel a home?

If seriously interested, please contact me and I can give you a contact
number. I want to vet the calls, as this guy is overwhelmed enough
without having to deal a lot of information calls.

thanks

Kelvin Dodd

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed May 16 13:01:07 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:01:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
Message-ID: <20593546.1179342067986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

If anyone back east wants the car, I could help get it and put it on a truck for someone.  I'm in LA and willing to help with the transaction and shipping.

~Steve Belfer

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dodd, Kelvin" <doddk at mossmotors.com>
>Sent: May 16, 2007 11:24 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
>
>A friend of mine in Santa Monica, CA has been ordered to demolish over
>50% of his non-compliance building after 20 years of use. Amidst the
>incredible wealth of British parts that have to go is a pretty complete
>GT6+ that has been in outside storage for many years. If a home isn't
>found very quickly the car will be crushed.
>
>No history on the car and probably no paperwork. The car has a
>mismatched bonnet with it, with metal covering the turn signal holes.
>There is also some lettering indicating that it may have been a stalled
>race car project.
>The car could be restored, but a lot of bits such as lamps are missing
>so I would not jump on this as a candidate for a lick of paint and sell
>for profit.
>
>The car is very buildable and although stored outside as typical in CA
>it does not have much, if any (I didn't examine the car fully). It just
>looks disreputable as all heck.
>
>I did my bit and hauled home a charity case MGA coupe yesterday. Is
>there anyone in the L.A. area that can give this jewel a home?
>
>If seriously interested, please contact me and I can give you a contact
>number. I want to vet the calls, as this guy is overwhelmed enough
>without having to deal a lot of information calls.
>
>thanks
>
>Kelvin Dodd
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Wed May 16 16:44:13 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:44:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions
Message-ID: <E1HoSE8-0005JZ-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi all,
         I received this today - and since I'm not that up on what
works for a TR-6, I thought I'd send it along.  Please respond
to docmanakos at verizon.net, not me.  I suggested that I was
pretty sure that Moss now carries the brake drums, but couldn't
help much with the rest of his questions.  Thanks for your help.

=============================================

I was wondering if you knew where I could get some aluminum brake 
drums? I read the article by Huge Barber about getting a pair of 
aluminum brake drums for a 240-Z and having them machined for a TR6. 
But when I called his part sources like American Specialty I found 
out that they were bought out by Power Brakes and no longer carried 
forgein parts or machined aluminum drums for that purpose. I can not 
find a web site for American Remanufacturing so I am writing you. I 
was also wondering if you knew of any performance shoes I use once I 
get the aluminum drums.

                             DrSM

Do you have any suspension upgrades for TR6 autocrossing? Some 
suggested spring rates, front back ratio for under/oversteer, sway 
bars, shocks, etc?

=======================================


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 22:54:07 2007
From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <03bb01c79769$e51c0ed0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <789588.15837.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

  Mark.
   
  Considering your previous bad experiences with Ford rods you should check everything on the suspect rod at least three times.  Jack Brooks' recommendation to check the big end for out-of-round conditions makes sense.  Did you happen to check the journal the rod was running on before the crank was turned?  I have previously measured some high mileage cranks and found journals that were slightly egg shaped. 
   
  -Jim  

   
  
Jack Brooks <jibjib at att.net> wrote:
  Mark,

Is it possible that #1 big end isn't getting enough oil? I know the engine
oil pressure is good, but perhaps there is a restricted passageway coming
out of the crank.

Also, what does the wear look like? Is it even across the journal or offset
to one side? 

This is purely conjecture on my part. I have not experienced uneven wear
like you described.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mark eginton
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:56 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent
rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would
wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?

The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought
it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX -> 40 wt when
they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX.
Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives
would affect oil pressure.

Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?

Thoughts???

M


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From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi  Thu May 17 01:19:19 2007
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:19:19 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings
Message-ID: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>

Yesterday I took my Spitfire for the first track outing with a newly 
rebuilt 1147cc engine. After a few sessions the valve clearances started 
to increase a lot, and it appeared that the camshaft had started to 
grind itself downwards in the block.

The camshaft is of large diameter type (1.965" journal dia) running 
without separate cam bearings. The bore in the block is now something 
like 0.04" oversized vertically...

I'd like to keep this block though, as it just received a bit expensive 
re-sleeving. Replacing the camshaft is no problem.

Any suggestions how to proceed? Does anyone know if the cam bearings 
from any other engine would fit the large diameter camshaft? The 
cylinder block could be line bored to fit those.

Regards
Jari
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/

From chasgee at aol.com  Thu May 17 08:59:40 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings
In-Reply-To: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>
References: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <8C966AB21295324-17C-B9D@WEBMAIL-RE10>

Not that I have found.  But you can fit the 1300/TR6 cam bearings and have the cam bearing journals ground/turned to size.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings


Yesterday I took my Spitfire for the first track outing with a newly 
rebuilt 1147cc engine. After a few sessions the valve clearances started 
to increase a lot, and it appeared that the camshaft had started to 
grind itself downwards in the block.

The camshaft is of large diameter type (1.965" journal dia) running 
without separate cam bearings. The bore in the block is now something 
like 0.04" oversized vertically...

I'd like to keep this block though, as it just received a bit expensive 
re-sleeving. Replacing the camshaft is no problem.

Any suggestions how to proceed? Does anyone know if the cam bearings 
from any other engine would fit the large diameter camshaft? The 
cylinder block could be line bored to fit those.

Regards
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 17 12:36:13 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions
References: <E1HoSE8-0005JZ-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00c201c798b2$3fe4ac20$1a02a8c0@workstation3>

John, the brake drums are available from Victoria British for a 240 Z.  The
center has to be opened a little to fit the hub, assuming you don't have
Z-car axels, and the groove from the back has to be trimmed to fit the
backing plate.
Good Parts(http://goodparts.com/) has the correct autocrossing parts for a
TR6.  I have both the front and rear bars and I'm very happy with them.
Ted Shumaker(http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/) also has some parts that
may interest you and believe he can do some things with spring rates.
Both these companies can provide parts for high performance TR's
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. John Lye" <rjl at gt-classics.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions


> Hi all,
>          I received this today - and since I'm not that up on what
> works for a TR-6, I thought I'd send it along.  Please respond
> to docmanakos at verizon.net, not me.  I suggested that I was
> pretty sure that Moss now carries the brake drums, but couldn't
> help much with the rest of his questions.  Thanks for your help.
>
> =============================================
>
> I was wondering if you knew where I could get some aluminum brake
> drums? I read the article by Huge Barber about getting a pair of
> aluminum brake drums for a 240-Z and having them machined for a TR6.
> But when I called his part sources like American Specialty I found
> out that they were bought out by Power Brakes and no longer carried
> forgein parts or machined aluminum drums for that purpose. I can not
> find a web site for American Remanufacturing so I am writing you. I
> was also wondering if you knew of any performance shoes I use once I
> get the aluminum drums.
>
>                              DrSM
>
> Do you have any suspension upgrades for TR6 autocrossing? Some
> suggested spring rates, front back ratio for under/oversteer, sway
> bars, shocks, etc?
>
> =======================================
>
>
> R. John Lye
>
> rjl6n at cstone.net
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 19:10:03 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Calling Aussie TR racers
Message-ID: <BAY115-F72005A10555BE99C295A68C310@phx.gbl>

Guys n' Gals,

Anyone know how I can contact Harry Witham of HRW Racewheel
Engineering?  I've Googled till I'm blue in the face.

He makes 17" minilites, so I'd like to check out their weight
and price.

TIA,

Shane Ingate burning bean oil in Maryland (addictive, doncha know?)

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From RYoung at NavComTech.com  Fri May 18 19:56:21 2007
From: RYoung at NavComTech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:56:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Calling Aussie TR racers
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F72005A10555BE99C295A68C310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070519015621.FPIC10832.mta10.adelphia.net@randall>

> Anyone know how I can contact Harry Witham of HRW Racewheel 
> Engineering?

Try calling 0413131060 in Victoria.

Randall
Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows :

From dave at microworks.net  Sat May 19 13:20:32 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:20:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 on the Nurburgring
Message-ID: <20070519192215.TFXS6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0XYHkfsds

From dave at microworks.net  Sat May 19 13:24:50 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Another TR4 at the 'Ring
Message-ID: <20070519192602.MOHC12190.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Another cool video of a TR4 at the 'Ring.  Lots of old Brit stuff on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfKsYXv7SYs

From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 06:13:41 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 05:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <789588.15837.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <426378.89737.qm@web90302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone had an issue with new rod bearings being oversized? I had a crank reground, admittedly it is at the top of the range but it is still within spec - 2.055" (30 under for a stock 83mm motor). When I plastigage the bearings they come in well under .001 clearance. Got the bearings from Brit parts NW.
   
  Anyone ever take material off the back? All my years of building engines, this is the first time I have ever seen something like this...
   
  Mark


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From henry at henryfrye.com  Mon May 21 10:00:38 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
Message-ID: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the lower A-arms to the
frame for a TR4a-6?

TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock since last
September.

Many thanks.

Henry Frye

From ejmajor250 at comcast.net  Mon May 21 17:09:37 2007
From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
References: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <002101c79bfd$1abec6d0$6401a8c0@LoriMajor>

Henry, Try Team Triumph in Warren Ohio.

Scott Harper is the guy, he has a lot of very good used parts at a 
reasonable price.

http://www.teamtriumph.com/

Ed Major
'58 TR3A, '68 TR250


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed


> Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the lower A-arms to 
> the
> frame for a TR4a-6?
>
> TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock since last
> September.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Henry Frye
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May 21 18:57:04 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up
Message-ID: <007c01c79c0c$1d669070$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

Now that the Hoosier Speedster has been out for a year and track tested by a
good number of us, I wonder if anyone has arrived a tire pressure settings
that provide consistent performance.  I've tried a variety of pressures from
low to high(22 psi to 28 psi cold) and in all cases, experience increasing
understeer as they heat up during a session.  What have you'all found?

Gary
1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"

From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May 21 19:20:12 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:20:12 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up
Message-ID: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:57:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

Gary
1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"

Gary...
 
It takes a lot of guts to have a nickname like "The Flying Brick."  Having 
spent forty years in the masonry business, it would be perfect for me...but 
people would always mispronounce it.
 
Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May 21 19:59:51 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
In-Reply-To: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>
References: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43749626-E63D-4B6E-84D1-617483479E97@bnj.com>

As to the question, I've never found a tire that didn't have  
increasing amounts of understeer as they heat up, but an extreme  
amount is a good indication that your tire pressure is too high. Once  
again I'll tell you the only way to get a good tire pressure is a  
skid pad and a pyrometer, but I'm running 17 cold on Peyote which is  
1550 pounds. I pushed it up a little to 18.5 last weekend at Road  
America because I thought I might get more speed in the straights,  
and there's lots of straights at RA. I did indeed see higher temps in  
the middle and a little more understeer. I outfoxed myself and stuck  
my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave  
Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of  
the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the  
track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top  
speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.

I feel a little stupid.

Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch  
2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti  
in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new  
favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches  
and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left  
the track.

I'll do a writeup on the blog as soon as I have time. I need to get  
to VIR ASAP. Peyote has a vibration at high speed that I don't like  
(perhaps a driveshaft headed south) and a tire carcass got kicked  
into my trailer at high speed today and it screwed up my waste water  
drain lines. Got some wrenching to do before I catch a plane on  
Thursday.

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On May 21, 2007, at 6:20 PM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:57:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:
>
> Gary
> 1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"
>
> Gary...
>
> It takes a lot of guts to have a nickname like "The Flying Brick."   
> Having
> spent forty years in the masonry business, it would be perfect for  
> me...but
> people would always mispronounce it.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 06:02:56 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E4@server.Triumph.local>

I would be remiss if I did not publicly thank Bob Lang, his New England
Triumphs friend Ned Sparrow, and Ernie Hussman for all their help at
MOTRAH. I had a particularly busy weekend, with a R&R on gearbox and a
head gasket.

No way I would have gotten through it all without those guys, many
thanks. I owe you guys...

From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 06:08:35 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:08:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>

I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
the stock ones.

Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.

I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 22 07:29:25 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] In-car video from Road America
Message-ID: <20070522132754.AEC21187A02@autox.team.net>

I pulled the video from my camcorder and posted it a couple of 
places.  It's a bit under 22 min.  I'm going to try to edit it down 
to under 10 min for you tube eventually.

My website has the wmv file.  I also uploaded it to google video.

http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyDrewsRA05202007full.wmv
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7361466699989864483

My winter engine rebuild seemed to be particularly successful - tuned 
that baby on the dyno and ended up with more power than I've ever 
had.  In this race, I have an excellent dice with Dr. Dreadful (Rick 
Gurolnick) in a very well prepared Porsche 356.  He passes me on the 
straight early in the race, and I draft him for most of the 
race.  I'm not sure if you can tell in the video, but he was on 3 
wheels in most of the corners as I'm chasing him.

- Tony

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 22 10:08:43 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:08:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
Message-ID: <c49.10beadd2.33846f8b@cs.com>

Bill Babcock !!!!

You got all of the marbles as far as I am concerned. The Bill Ames Memorial 
Plaque is now in your possession.  As the owner of the Peyote, and the builder 
of an AMBRO, this is surely fitting.  

The Seiko Chronograph watch is truly a nice piece that was sponsored by 
Alexander Racing Enterprises (cough/cough) and stacks up with any Rolex that you 
may have, of course.  

Unhappily, Kas was to present this award to you, making a bit more special, 
but the program got away from my control by a Morgan Man...wont happen again.

I watched you haunt and hassle Jahimiak at one session. Jahimiak is a great 
competitor and it would have given all of us great joy in the midwest to have 
you prevail. (That's OK. I hear you got a piece of him in the Tech Inspection 
Line, when you chipped his paint with the Peyote)

Best regards,

Joe Alexander

> I outfoxed myself and stuck  
> my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave  
> Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of  
> the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the  
> track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top  
> speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.
> 
> I feel a little stupid.
> 
> Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch  
> 2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti  
> in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new  
> favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches  
> and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left  
> the track.
> 
> 

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 10:27:36 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Front suspension question
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E6@server.Triumph.local>

Is the shock tower on a TR4 the same as a TR3?

During the Pursuit Race at MORTAH, the track conditions were between
damp and wet. Coming into Canada Corner I braked but the wheels didn't
really have any grip, so I went hard across the rumble strip into the
gravel trap.

The good news is I grabbed first gear, hooked the car around and drove
out of the gravel, and proceeded to win the race. Even held off a Morgan
+8 in a classic drag up the hill to the checker!

The bad news is I wounded the car. I thought I knocked the front end out
a bit, but it turns out I ripped the front suspension out of the car.
Twisted the shock tower, buckled the brace. No wonder the car wouldn't
turn right...

Had the car down to my fabricator this morning, he wasn't too upset with
what he saw. The plan is to convert the left side to the 4A-6 style
lower a-arm to frame attachment, hence yesterday's post for the
brackets. But he wants to chop off my twisted turret (shock tower) and
replace it with a straight one. I have one from a TR3, but I don't have
a TR4 frame sitting around to compare it to.

Thanks.

From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 10:37:11 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
In-Reply-To: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E7@server.Triumph.local>

Thanks to everybody who responded to my plea for help.

Silly me, I opened the Moss catalog, they stock them in Jersey, I'll
have them tomorrow!

Part 855-405, retails at $24.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
>
> Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the
> lower A-arms to the frame for a TR4a-6?
>
> TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock
> since last September.

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 22 10:37:38 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:37:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>

FOT,

On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing. 
We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and 
everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files & 
Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that is. 

Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and 
went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little more 
tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.  

Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines. 
We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe 
invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so well.

Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend. 
Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time with his 
road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko 
Chronograph)

Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo, 
rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.

More later,

enuff for the moment.  what's your story?

Joe  



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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 22 10:49:53 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E4@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <521672.48197.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com> wrote:    I and Ernie Hussman 
  
 I owe you guys...
     
  Henry, 
    if I remember right ... I think Ernie said he drinks blatz or black label or something like that ....   did I get that right Ernie????
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:49:48 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:49:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 1 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174749.EB367187ABF@autox.team.net>

Hi Everybody,

We have just arrived home in the UK after what can only be described as one
of the most wonderful racing experiences that I have had in the last 20
years.

Some of you may know that I purchased my TR4 from Larry Rossi in November
2005 and ran it for the first time at Road America in May 2006 with mixed
success (actually more failure than success as we broke 2 heads, the
transmission and, ultimately, put a rod through the block!!!). We went away
from RA last year vowing to return and do a bit better next time :-)

Over the last year Jon Wood of Classic Racecraft in the UK built a new
engine and transmission for the TR4 whilst Jack Drews just about rebuilt
everything else from rear axle through to new cooling and exhaust systems.
As usual, despite ordering my new crank 2 days after returning to the UK
last May, it eventually arrived late February (so what happened to the
promise of a 6-10 week lead time; maybe Farndon meant months!!!!). Jon
worked his usual magic and turned everything round so that the engine and
transmission were ready for shipping by the end of March; unfortunately this
meant that I had to air freight them both which at 330kgs was a bit of a
shock to the wallet - for those with an interest in these things it cost USD
$1300. 

Joe Alexander and Jack had a trip to Chicago to pick up the crate and
despite the usual song and dance routine with Customs eventually got
everything back to Geneseo for Jack to install everything and have the TR4
running after 2 days; what an amazing guy is our Jack.   

Btw the crate is a work of art and was a one-off build by a UK company
designed to protect all the components and to meet the very strict US
regulations, Joe has this stashed away in one of his storage units and I am
sure it will come in use again some time in the future. 

End of part 1

From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:50:54 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:50:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 2 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174855.6DA44187ABF@autox.team.net>

Part 2

Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to
visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup,
Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst
Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see
it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!!
Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the
rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-)  

We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his,
Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We
got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that
model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12
Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 

The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe
and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just
left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was,
sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening.

Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his
trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst
his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was
getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30
and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues,
deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was
unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after
Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick
Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to
burst.

OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10
but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the
suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very
rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for
allowing us time to address the brake light issue).

Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing
oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul
so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr
Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch
travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in
and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in
the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared
into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided
and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage
for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so
thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and
2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump
gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the
32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all
back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 

We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series
Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car,
sorry Mike. 

End of part 2 

From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:51:35 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>

Part 3
 
Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided
to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was
returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race. 

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,
managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)    
 
I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.  

From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May 22 12:01:23 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
Message-ID: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>

Amici...

I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.

Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the same TR 
powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past week 
end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other claim to 
fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat looks forward to 
exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook (and 
Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still running 83mm 
pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.

Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu

I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I know when 
I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were calling 
him Doctor Starr.  

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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue May 22 12:06:48 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:06:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
References: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c79c9b$f8072430$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

I will second Bill's nomination, but only if Pat agrees to make me work really
hard to beat him, like I had to do this past Sunday!!

Great guy, great racer, and a great addition to FOT.  Welcome Pat!!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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  Amici...

  I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.

  Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the same TR
  powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past
week
  end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other claim to
  fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat looks
forward to
  exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook
(and
  Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still running 83mm
  pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.

  Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu

  I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I know when
  I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were
calling
  him Doctor Starr.

  Bill Dentinger



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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue May 22 12:26:03 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>

In early May there was a test and tune day herre in Seattle at PAcific
Raceways for SOVERN, our local vintage group.  I was privelaged to see Tony
Garmey unload John James' newly recreated TR4 roll off the trailer.  What a
beautiful job he did on the prep of this car.  Did any of you look in the
trunk and see how the fuel cell was held down?  Wow, should a roll over
occur it sure would not come loose.

Glad to hear he ran well.  How did Bill Hart do, what did he bring?  Did
Tony drive also?

On 5/22/07, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> FOT,
>
> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander
> Racing.
> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and
> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows,
> Files &
> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd,
> that is.
>
> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and
> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little
> more
> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.
>
> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the
> sidelines.
> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe
> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing
> so well.
>
> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest
> time with his
> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko
> Chronograph)
>
> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo,
> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
>
> More later,
>
> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue May 22 15:33:49 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
Message-ID: <976818.60061.qm@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers: Here I go again...begging for more parts. On a TR4 there are three pieces of brushed aluminum trim that surround the rear of the cockpit. Does anyone on the list have the drivers side (left side) piece? I have a customer car missing only this piece. Moss is showing them as NLA. I believe at some point they went from chrome to polished aluminum, and it is the aluminum one I'm searching for. Thank you in advance - Ed

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 15:50:54 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More MOTRAH autox
Message-ID: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>

Not only did Tony place second in the prepared class but Jason Sukey took 
1st in the modified class, Bob Lang took 1st in the prepared class and then 
Bob Lang proceeded to pull out a big old can of whup ass and took Fastest 
Time Of  The Day. A good day for the Triumph group.

Marty

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue May 22 15:51:36 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (kaskas at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <27051297.1179870696050.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net>

Sitting in Parachute Colorado after a second day 700 mile jaunt, I agree that Tony did an absoul;tly sterling performance.  Jack?  Now there is a tough guy.  Tough to do the work and tough to beat.  Most folks would have gone home and turned onthe TV.  Not Jack.  Great stuff. Some worrysome things happend in the rain event and sorry for those folks to damage such nice cars.
---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 
> FOT,
> 
> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing. 
> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and 
> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files & 
> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that is. 
> 
> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and 
> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little more 
> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.  
> 
> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines. 
> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe 
> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so well.
> 
> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend. 
> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time with his 
> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko 
> Chronograph)
> 
> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo, 
> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
> 
> More later,
> 
> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> 
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue May 22 16:43:58 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:43:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] More MOTRAH autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1Hqd4q-0004f8-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 05:50 PM 5/22/2007, marty sukey wrote:
>Not only did Tony place second in the prepared class but Jason Sukey took
>1st in the modified class, Bob Lang took 1st in the prepared class and then
>Bob Lang proceeded to pull out a big old can of whup ass and took Fastest
>Time Of  The Day. A good day for the Triumph group.

Congratulations to the Bobstah!


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue May 22 17:02:23 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:02:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller 6/29-30 - 7/1, 2007
Message-ID: <20070522.170224.-341485.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Greetings Amici,
Just a reminder of the Nostalgia Racing event at Miller Motorsports Park
in Tooele, Utah. 
June 29 - 30, July 1, 2007 
With enough Triumph participation we get our own group.
Small Bore cars will run the East Course, Big Bore on the perimeter
course.  Formula cars?
For more information, see http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ .
The Nostalgia Racing folks put on great events. 
They produce an excellent balance of racing, parties, and fun.
The facility is amazing, as well. For details, see,
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/ .
If you are still on the fence:

Tooele, Utah, it just sounds like the middle of nowhere. In reality, it
is 30 miles from the Salt Lake City International Airport. Nestled at the
base of the west slope of the Oquirrh Mountains in eastern Tooele County.
The City of Tooele has the amenities expected in the 21st century, yet
still retains some 19th century details. Tooele County, second largest in
Utah, has a motor sports heritage that goes back into the early 20th
century with the Land Speed Record runs conducted at the Bonneville Salt
Flats.
Larry Miller, having been shot down in his efforts to expand facilities
in Mead, Colorado and rejected by Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is a
major presence, accepted the offer from Tooele County to come and look at
a piece of land they had available. Ninety plus million dollars later,
Larry had a state of the art road racing facility a few miles outside
Tooele. The multi configuration track is capable of hosting two events
simultaneously on two, 2+ mile circuits, run an event on the perimeter
track (on which motorcycles have already averaged above 100 MPH), or the
full, 4.65 mile, 23 corner Pro-Circuit. On top of that, there is a
Go-Kart track with too many configurations to count and dirt hills on
each end for off road activities. Motorcycles can play on the Kart
facilities as well. 
The facility is ready to go to host a United States Grand Prix (with a
few more seats). There are GP garages on pit lane fitted with everything
a prima donna GP team could want. Yes, there are TVs in there. Race
control is likewise fitted with large TV monitors capable of showing
images from cameras fitted around the track. The view from Race Control
is quite picturesque with the Oquirrh Mountains to the left, South
Mountain in front of you, the Stansbury Mountains on your right and the
track in the foreground. Id like to see the place in the Spring when the
grass is green. 
DO NOT miss your next opportunity to visit this incredible facility with
the same sort of amenities we enjoyed at PPIR, just kicked way, WAY up,
and a REAL road course! You will be glad you came.
See you there,
Bill

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May 22 17:36:43 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:36:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller 6/29-30 - 7/1, 2007
Message-ID: <cda.f435314.3384d88b@aol.com>

Thanx for the reminder Bill!  It's gonna be an awesome opportunity to run one 
of the next generations premier tracks.  I sent my entry in yesterday and 
expect to be there Thursday morning before the event.  Steve



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From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue May 22 21:21:21 2007
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] In car video
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>

That's great in-car video, Tony! That's why we love to hate those  
Porsche guys.

You inspired me to finally tackle the challenge of getting some video  
up on a web site for viewing outside of my living room. Here's the TR  
Sprite challenge race from the British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow,  
CA earlier in May. That's Gerald Allen in the Sprite ( he was at RA,  
too), Chuck Gee in blue Spit, Joe Siam in red Spit, and Jerry Barker  
in the Herald. Enjoy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=573568324573407692

John Frymark

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 21:30:39 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
In-Reply-To: <521672.48197.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <522335.72833.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Tom:
   
  Don't even go there, these guys kept me way after my bedtime on Thursday night.  Besides it's Red, White and Blue.

tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  Henry Frye wrote: I and Ernie Hussman 

I owe you guys...

Henry, 
if I remember right ... I think Ernie said he drinks blatz or black label or something like that .... did I get that right Ernie????
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From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Tue May 22 22:40:15 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] spitfire right side rear chrome "v" trim piece needed
Message-ID: <f6a2c639382c3.46538d6f@insightbb.com>

All,

Looking for a right side chrome "v" trim piece.  The bit that is at the rear of the car, vertical, but shaped like "v".  Would like one in good shape, doesn't need to be excellent.

I had a great one...it's probably on the inside of Gateway Internation somewhere by turn 7 where the SRF hit me.

aaron

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May 23 07:35:54 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:35:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Initial Report  Custom Chevy Con-Rod Transplant
Message-ID: <ca5.f16875b.33859d3a@cs.com>

List.

We have not dropped the pan yet, for inspection of bearings, but the Uncle 
Jack Chevy Con-Rod Transplant seemed to work very well in our TR4

Developed by Uncle Jack and Christian Marx, it appears to be a great 
alternative to the expensive Carillos. Christian has over 1500 miles of track and 
street driving on his variation of this transplant. I have nearly 200 miles of 
full throttle racing at Road America, last weekend.

It requires spacers for the pin end to centralize the rod on the journal. The 
crankshaft needs to be reground to a Chevy Spec.

It uses Clevite 77 bearings at an effective cost per four cylinder set of 
about $12.50 per set.

With the narrower con-rod, it requires a slight boost in oil pressure of 
about 10 lbs.

It is not known if Uncle Jack is going to proceed with packaging these 
con-rods for sale. One of the wrinkles is that spacers may vary in length according 
to brands of pistons.

I am pleased at this point, and will report the condition of the bearings 
when we drop the pan to inspect.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed May 23 10:25:46 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 - 4 manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <200705231626.l4NGPwO8264474@ns3.geneseo.net>

I had a sample run of manifold gaskets made to try out. They are now 
on several cars and working superbly.

They solve the problem of leaky manifolds due to untrue manifold 
surfaces and bent / warped / out of alignment exhaust header flanges.

The gaskets are made from compacted graphite, 1/8" thick. They 
compress to half their thickness, so manifolds can be quite bad and 
still seal. They are made by a commercial supplier to speed shops, 
etc to my print. Intake holes are the right size, instead of what we 
get now, and bottom edges are trimmed to eliminate possible 
interference with the top of the block.

As you would expect, they are not cheap, but they solve a problem. 
The price will be $60 for the pair required for one engine. They may 
be reusable but may not. I have mine on for the second time and so 
far, so good, but it will depend on whether or not some of this 
material sticks to the sealing surfaces.

I am going to have a second run made. Anybody interested in being 
included? -- I know that this will appeal to a very small segment of 
the TR market, so I'm asking for a commitment on this one.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:15:48 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 1
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231701380.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Still getting re-settled to the work thing. Yuck. But it pays the bills!

My MOTRAH-007 experience was interesting to say the least. Starting in
FEB., it was fairly evident that getting the car and driver "ready" for
MOTRAH would be a real challenge. The initial thrust was to get Khartu
into "vintage trim" and the driver a shiney new competition license.

But first off - special thanks to Henry Frye (for getting us crew passes),
Dean Tetterton (for providing the passes), Marty and Jason Sukey (for
providing an awesome TR6 to drive) and to the rest of the FOT for all the
fun. WOW.

Blow #1 was the rotten windows and siding on the house. That pretty much
used up available funds for driver school, so the comp. license was out of
the question before March. Darn.

Plan two was to get the red car ready for the drive. I mean it's a TRIUMPH
event, you gotta show up in a Triumph, right? Things seemed to be in good
shape and with the assistance of able-mechanic Ned Sparrow the car was
deemed ready. I even had spares ready for the tranny and diff in case
something happened in the interim. Early April and I'm ready.

Well, not quite. Turns out that the oil filter spin-on housing was not
sealing against the block properly and unfiltered oil was circulating. The
motor isn't toast, but an in-place bearing check/change may be in order. I
didn't have time to build another motor to drop in. Bottom line - red car
was out too.

Oh well. Plan three was the daily driver. But it goes naught to 60 in a
tad over 6 seconds, so it should be a fun haul. Plus it gets 30+ mpg on
the motorway. Owing to the blow to plan 1, camping was in order, so we
dusted off the tents and bags and stuff and headed to RA early on Tuesday
with a goal of arriving at RA in time to help early arrivals some
assistance for the open practice. The trip out went without incident
although fuel prices were quite high in the mid-west. We didn't see $4
premium, but we did see $3.99.9 - so it was close. Seeing that the
"driver" has a smart computer, we opted for mid-grade fuel. It really does
make a difference in the performance.

To be continued...

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:29:48 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231716190.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Once we established camp in the paddock, Ned (Sparrow) and I headed out to
see Road America. I've been there a few times, but this was Ned's first
trip to the place. RA is BIG. Compared to local tracks (Lime Rock and
NHIS), it's really big.

Back at the paddock, we helped Henry change tires to stickers and
installed new brake pads so he could bed them during the next practice. We
put a tag on the dash to remind Henry.

Henry thanked us later for the tag. Turns out that as he blasted out of
the paddock for the practice, he had NO PEDAL (no surprise there!) but the
reminder tag helped him realize what was going on before he bailed.

Pretty soon after we got our crew passes and camping thing taken care of,
we headed to turn 5 to watch the Group 1,3  practice. After only a few
laps, Henry wasn't circulating and more so we headed back to the paddock
to see what we could do.

The oil breather was white-foam. Argh - head gasket! Henry tried a
re-torque. On a subsequent session that fix proved inadequate and Henry
had to replace the head gasket. But we cleaned up as best we could and got
the car ready for the FRI am practice (brake change only - the scubs
stayed on).

Oh - the tranny was popping out of gear. Ernie H., Ned and Henry took
care of that with a spare. The motor was still pushing water, so Henry
took the head off in prep. for a new head gasket.

Somewhere in there, we haded out for track tours in the Saturn. Yee ha!
The FRI tours are fun 'cause there's quite a few less cars circulating. We
got at least 12 laps. Managed 80 through the kink at one point. Kewl.

FRI night was the MOTRAH cookout - lots of fun Ned and I walked the
Motorplex track - the site of the SAT autocross. Hmmm, there were a few
straights that were more then 150 feet. Should be some good speed in
sections. Kewl.

Continues...

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:54:42 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:54:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 3
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231729510.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

SAT AM - We made sure that Henry and Dean were in good shape for the day,
and I headed over to the autocross. Things were a tad disorganized, but we
managed to get cars running by 10. The guy that organized things had been
out running the course on FRI and was pretty sure the fast times would be
about 1 min. Prophetic, as it turns out.

The first group was stock cars. There were some pretty cars running
including a Plus Four Plus and some Bugeyes. The Plus 8's looked to be the
real threat in the event and two guys got in the 1:05 range. One guy in a
Plus 8 had two really gnarly spins and came really close to "tripping" the
car in a spin across the curbing. Yikes!

The third run group had the "fast" cars, Modified and Prepared. Marty /
Jason Sukey had thier awesome TR6 and Craig Anderson had a really kool
100-4 on slicks. Craig was wearing an SCCA Solo '95 Topeka T, so he's
"been around". Tony "I'm running everything this weekend" Drews has his 
TR4 there too. The drill was that we'd get two practice runs to find the
course and then run three timed runs.

First runs out were uneventful and Lang turned a 1:01 on the second
practice lap. Timed events went really well and after the first timed
runs, It looked like either Tony of Craig would get Top Time of the Day.

On the second runs, Marty got "lost" at the top of the hill, Jason had a
wild spin with BIG SMOKE from the tires. It was 5.9 on a 6 scale. Lang
lost it on the second sweeper and the flag / worker started running when
the driver pegged the throttle so as not to stall in the spin. The run
sucked, but even with a spin (and full stop), it was a 1.08. Damn!

Tony was sitting at FTD with a 1:01 and change, I think about .8 or so.

I'm not sure what happened next, as the Sukey-mobile was dripping a tad
from the oil breather. and we were busy looking at that and getting
drivers in / out of the car for runs.

At any rate, last to run was Lang. I think Craig turned a slightly faster
1:00 maybe a .8. Tony was right there too. So a 59 was the mark. According
to observers, the run looked slow, but the timing folks read out the time
to Lang: 59.8. FTD. WOW. Exciting stuff.

The rest of the day was spent taking pix, making the autocross awards
(the FTD trophy was not done yet, but I got a botle of wine and a nifty 
medallion). The MOTRAH qualifier was WET. There was some attrition -
Dennis Delap had an off at 7. The car was in rough shape. But Dennis was
okay. The Aero 8's were cleary "ringers" - next time we gotta get Sam
Halkias in his E Prod TR6 or Bill Warner in the TR6 or TR8 or Vern in the
Slagle cars out there. Bill Babcock was looking good in Peyote, but so was
Alan Washatko in the TR6. Alan had an off at 14 bent some steel and the
steering rack - but he was back in the AM for the feature.

Last event of the day was a persuit race - owing to the rain, a lot of
cars didn't take the green. But Henry, Randy Williams a Plus 4 and Kermit
in a Morgan trike did. Henry managed to take the lead with about 2 laps to
go, but had an off at Canada slipping back to third. He managed to catch
and pass the Randy and the Morgan and pulled the Mog neck and neck to the
checker. WOW.

(continues)

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed May 23 16:03:17 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:03:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH RESULTS
Message-ID: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>

We missed getting a results sheet for the last Group 3 sprint race. 
It's not up on the SVRA website yet, so would someone who got it 
please send me a scan?

Thanks

uncle jack 



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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 16:03:14 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 4
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231754450.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

(this is it - really!)

Henry pulled into the paddock with a big grin and a nifty medallion for
his effort. Unfortunately, according to Henry - "the car won't turn
right". Ummm ya, the obvious toe out meant something got bent in the off.
Something turned out to be that the lower control arm mounting bracket was
ripped from the frame and the shock tower was bent back a tad. First
anaylisis was that we could weld it up for the MOTRAH feature, but on
further exam, it was pretty clear that the trailer was the next stop.

Oh well. Off to the SVRA banquet. Then back to camp and the cold.

SUN was fairly uneventful. A lot of folks pulled camp because it was cold
and grey. But as the day progressed, it got warmer and sunnier. I managed
to shoot another pile of pix (about 600 total) from various locations
including 5, 7 and 8 (I got some from 14 on FRI AM) plus some candids.
I'll try to put together a CD at some point, if you're interested, drop me
a line.

All in all, it was a great weekend. Thanks to EVERYONE. I love these FOT
gatherings. Lots of FUN. Maybe I'll even have a TRIUMPH at the next one.

And Marty -  I owe you for the ride. Your car is awesome. 

rml
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:35:23 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <BB8C6255-582E-474B-A06A-29DA2DFFFDC5@bnj.com>

Actually I never use full torque with steel or copper gaskets, but I  
would if I used composite. I got to 75 with steel and see how it  
goes--looking for mayo in the top end. If I get some I go up until it  
quits. I don't run the engine hard until I'm satisfied with the gasket.
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On May 22, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Henry Frye wrote:

> I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
> that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
> on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
> the stock ones.
>
> Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
> everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.
>
> I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
> done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:42:14 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:42:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
In-Reply-To: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>
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Well I'll certainly second that nomination
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On May 22, 2007, at 11:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> Amici...
>
> I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.
>
> Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the  
> same TR
> powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this  
> past week
> end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other  
> claim to
> fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat  
> looks forward to
> exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff  
> Snook (and
> Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still  
> running 83mm
> pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.
>
> Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu
>
> I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I  
> know when
> I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people  
> were calling
> him Doctor Starr.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:44:40 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <92B34378-5A9D-4083-92F3-9A142D5CF600@bnj.com>

Bill drove the Devin--he did well, but the car broke on Saturday-- 
transmixer gave up the ghost. Probably very expensively by the looks  
of the metal in the oil--it's a dog box. Ouch.

Tony didn't drive. I should have had him take Peyote out, but I was  
having too much fun.

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On May 22, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> In early May there was a test and tune day herre in Seattle at PAcific
> Raceways for SOVERN, our local vintage group.  I was privelaged to  
> see Tony
> Garmey unload John James' newly recreated TR4 roll off the  
> trailer.  What a
> beautiful job he did on the prep of this car.  Did any of you look  
> in the
> trunk and see how the fuel cell was held down?  Wow, should a roll  
> over
> occur it sure would not come loose.
>
> Glad to hear he ran well.  How did Bill Hart do, what did he  
> bring?  Did
> Tony drive also?
>
> On 5/22/07, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> FOT,
>>
>> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander
>> Racing.
>> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count,  
>> and
>> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows,
>> Files &
>> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until  
>> June 2nd,
>> that is.
>>
>> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197  
>> TR4 and
>> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with  
>> a little
>> more
>> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.
>>
>> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the
>> sidelines.
>> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack  
>> & Joe
>> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he  
>> is doing
>> so well.
>>
>> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
>> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd  
>> fastest
>> time with his
>> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE  
>> Seiko
>> Chronograph)
>>
>> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to  
>> Geneseo,
>> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
>>
>> More later,
>>
>> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>    </HTML>
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>
>
> -- 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 23 19:30:17 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:30:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH RESULTS
In-Reply-To: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070524012834.0C88D1879C0@autox.team.net>

While folks are at it, a copy of the 3cp, 4, 5 race results would be 
welcome too.

- Tony

At 05:03 PM 5/23/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>We missed getting a results sheet for the last Group 3 sprint race.
>It's not up on the SVRA website yet, so would someone who got it
>please send me a scan?
>
>Thanks
>
>uncle jack

From spitlist at cox.net  Wed May 23 19:45:09 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:45:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick
Message-ID: <000e01c79da5$2996c5a0$16fea8c0@newcomputer>

Folks,

A few weeks ago I posted information about a gentleman in New Zealand named
Roger Herrick who owns an old formula car that formerly was owned by Chris
Amons and was driven by Bruce McLaren.  It has a Triumph Herald rear
suspension and now sports one of my camber compensators.  Roger says he
recently competed in a hill climb and the rear suspension is now quite
predictable and performs very well.

 

At any rate, I inquired at the time if everyone thought this gentleman
should be invited to participate in FOT and several people agreed.  About
that time the list we3nt down and I think Roger got lost in the shuffle.

 

If this is still considered something we should do, I would like him
included in the list.  His email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz.

 

Regards,

Joe C.

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 24 06:05:32 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:05:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hey all,

In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
I've got all negative ground cars.

What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?

Scott (B.)

From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu May 24 06:09:32 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:09:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79da5$2996c5a0$16fea8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALMELMEGAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I'll second this one :)

kg


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:45 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick

Folks,

A few weeks ago I posted information about a gentleman in New Zealand named
Roger Herrick who owns an old formula car that formerly was owned by Chris
Amons and was driven by Bruce McLaren.  It has a Triumph Herald rear
suspension and now sports one of my camber compensators.  Roger says he
recently competed in a hill climb and the rear suspension is now quite
predictable and performs very well.



At any rate, I inquired at the time if everyone thought this gentleman
should be invited to participate in FOT and several people agreed.  About
that time the list we3nt down and I think Roger got lost in the shuffle.



If this is still considered something we should do, I would like him
included in the list.  His email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz.



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu May 24 07:35:43 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 lifter diameter
Message-ID: <465594AF.1080406@pobox.com>

Can someone tell me the diameter of a TR6 valve lifter?

From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 08:44:11 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>

>Hey all,
>
>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>I've got all negative ground cars.
>
>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>
>Scott (B.)

What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do with 
the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's 
electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses as it 
fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from airplane 
mags!

John

From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi  Thu May 24 08:45:58 2007
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:58 +0300
Subject: [Fot] In car video
In-Reply-To: <357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>
References: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
	<357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4655A526.6060603@pp.inet.fi>

Inspired by this I also decided to upload some in-car video to Google. 
Please have a look at: 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2854717108194633793

It is from the Historic GTS race in the last summer's "Velodromloppet" 
event in Sweden. Very poor start and some close contact with some 
Italian thing... Anyway, being only 1147cc the Spitfire's not so bad. 
Don't know about the driver...

Regards
Jari
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/

John Frymark wrote:
> That's great in-car video, Tony! That's why we love to hate those  
> Porsche guys.
>
> You inspired me to finally tackle the challenge of getting some video  
> up on a web site for viewing outside of my living room. Here's the TR  
> Sprite challenge race from the British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow,  
> CA earlier in May. That's Gerald Allen in the Sprite ( he was at RA,  
> too), Chuck Gee in blue Spit, Joe Siam in red Spit, and Jerry Barker  
> in the Herald. Enjoy.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=573568324573407692
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 24 09:04:07 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:04:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to
do with the magneto?>>

You've got me.  I just know that this unit is stamped "Positive Ground"
and the instructions say "Do not install a standard negative ground unit
on an engine having a positive ground."

[included a copy of the instruction sheet, which has an electrical
diagram.  attachment will be stripped from mail to list]

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto

>Hey all,
>
>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>I've got all negative ground cars.
>
>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>
>Scott (B.)

What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do
with the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the
car's electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag
reverses as it fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way
different from airplane mags!

John

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Judson Electronic Magneto Instructions.pdf]

From chris at tr4-racing.de  Thu May 24 09:19:06 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:19:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
References: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<4655ABA5.2010601@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <002501c79e16$ed2f7d10$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Ho Larry,

I just made them dead flat....no dome anymore.
I've measure the cam....flat too, no taper.

So the parts should work fine...

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tappet talk


> Chris,
> I usually see the tappet dome described as a radius and it is usually
> 50" to 100" (1.27 to 2.54 m).  If you go throught the geometry, then for
> a TR lifter of 0.935" (23.75mm) diameter, the dome for a 50" radius is:
> (0.935)**2/50/8 = 0.0022" (0.056 mm).  Did you intend to write 0.07 mm
> (0.00275")?  If so, your number of 0.00275" would correspond to a radius
> of about 40".  I agree this is probably a bit too much dome or too small
> a radius.  I think you should always have tapered lobes.  It is
> important that the taper be matched to the radius on the lifter, so the
> contact point is not at the edge of the lobe.  I usually specify a taper
> of about 0.0025 in/in.  If you go through the geometry, this taper puts
> the contact point on the lifter at a radius of (0.0025)(50) = 0.125"
> (3.18 mm) from the center for a 50" radius or twice that for a 100"
> radius.  TR cam lobes are about 0.56" (14.2 mm) wide, and are offset
> from the lifter center by about 0.05" (1.3 mm), so this taper should
> work well with a lifter radius of 50" to 100". It seems like it would be
> difficult to do this accurately on a lathe.
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
>
> >I want to bring that up again because I have some news about.
> >
> >I've installed a new cam and tappets last year and now some of the tappets
> >don't look good and one is damaged.
> >
> >I had a talk with a famous German cam manufacturer (Schrick) and they say
that
> >tappets should be very slightly domed to handle geometrical imperfections.
You
> >can run flat but it is better to have a dome less than 0.002mm
(0.000079").
> >If the cam has a taper grind then you can have a dome of 0.004mm
(0.000157")
> >
> >The tappets on the market seems to have 0.007mm (0.00275") dome which could
be
> >too much and a cause to cam failures. Depends on the cam if there is a
taper
> >grind on.
> >So I think the better idea is to grind them flat and give them a slight
dome
> >by hand on a lathe with fine sandpaper....
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu May 24 09:25:22 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:25:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 lifter diameter
Message-ID: <c04.17a46921.33870862@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/24/07 6:36:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:

Can someone tell me the diameter of a TR6 valve lifter?

.800



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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu May 24 09:55:58 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
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> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system 
> have to do with 
> the magneto?

The Judson *ELECTRONIC* magneto is not a true magneto.  It's not connected
to a source of motive power, and hence does not generate it's own
electricity. 

Instead, it's a transistorized electronic ignition incorporated in the same
housing as a (special) ignition coil.  Still works on the Kettering
principle, just with a transistor performing the current interruption
function instead of points.  It's also triggered by the original points.

And connecting it backwards (wrong polarity) will most likely instantly
toast the main output transistor.  Back in those days, they didn't believe
in reverse polarity protection.

Some cars did use true magnetos, similar in operation to aircraft mags.  Was
even a common performance mod back in the 40's.  But the Judson is
different.

Randall 
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu May 24 10:22:07 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
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> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?

I've not used a Judson, but I did try a similar unit that used the stock
coil.  It's basically just a "points amplifier" with a high-output coil.
Somewhat better than the stock setup, but mostly in the area of easier
starts and better operation with "tired" plugs.  Might buy you a bit more
performance at top rpm where the points are just starting to float (but my
valves floated before the points did).

I'd sell it on eBay, and use the money to buy an optical trigger unit plus a
MSD box.

Randall 
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 14:32:11 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
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You beat me to the punch John. I have no idea what a positive ground  
magneto might be since there are NO WIRES to connect to ground. Of  
course the mag uses it's case as ground, but magnetos put out AC. One  
of the symptoms of a mag that's weakening is that one set of  
cylinders runs better than the other--the ones that have the spark  
wire going negative tend to fire easier since the center electrode is  
sharper than the side electrode so a spark doesn't need as high a  
voltage to fire.

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On May 24, 2007, at 7:44 AM, John Herrera wrote:

>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>> electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>> thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and  
>> besides,
>> I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have  
> to do with
> the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's
> electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses  
> as it
> fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from  
> airplane
> mags!
>
> John
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 14:33:32 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
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Ahh--I get it, it's not a real magneto. It's an electronic ignition  
system that's pretending to be a mag.
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On May 24, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

>  <<What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system  
> have to
> do with the magneto?>>
>
> You've got me.  I just know that this unit is stamped "Positive  
> Ground"
> and the instructions say "Do not install a standard negative ground  
> unit
> on an engine having a positive ground."
>
> [included a copy of the instruction sheet, which has an electrical
> diagram.  attachment will be stripped from mail to list]
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:44 AM
> To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>> electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>> thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and  
>> besides,
>> I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have  
> to do
> with the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the
> car's electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag
> reverses as it fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way
> different from airplane mags!
>
> John
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet- 
> stream which had a name of Judson Electronic Magneto Instructions.pdf]
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu May 24 15:09:44 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
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Back home in Oceanside from that little 4389 mile hike.

Never used anything but full torque on the head.  That was 105 in increments
of 10 pounds after the first 75 pound start up.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
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  Cc: FOT
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  Subject: Re: [Fot] ARP Head Studs


  Actually I never use full torque with steel or copper gaskets, but I
  would if I used composite. I got to 75 with steel and see how it
  goes--looking for mayo in the top end. If I get some I go up until it
  quits. I don't run the engine hard until I'm satisfied with the gasket.
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  On May 22, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Henry Frye wrote:

  > I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
  > that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
  > on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
  > the stock ones.
  >
  > Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
  > everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.
  >
  > I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
  > done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 24 16:41:44 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3doglegs
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Amici - I am doing a TR3 restoration. Anyone have the rear quarter panels/doglegs that they would sell?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis DeLap

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu May 24 17:19:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:19:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
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Kas & Peg,   All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

Kas,    I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP 
Presentation in 2008.  

I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone 
could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are several 
of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.  

Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and 
opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

Regards,

Joe Alexander



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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu May 24 18:43:04 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
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You go Gary !!!   Pass that Sauvignon Blanc bro...  Here Jack, try some cheese
whiz...   <grin>

Kev
GT6 #6
RMVR
(S.F. native)
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  California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
  Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
  fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
  25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I
  doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
  great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
  No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
  wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of
  your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
  where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
  time for some Monterey Jack!

  Gary
  62 TR4

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  > In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
  >
  > Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
  > in
  > some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
  >
  >
  > I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
  > Is
  > there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
Vermont
  > cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
  > No  Way!
  >
  > Jack Woehrle
  >
  >
  >
  > ************************************** See what's free at
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From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Wed May 23 15:48:11 2007
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:48:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH
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MOTRAH was the best overall vintage event I have attended in the four years I've been racing! GREAT track, super organization, very friendly folks, and best of all, lots of TR'S and other British makes. Also, met many of the legends in our trade, like Kas and had a chance to see the many well engineered Triumphs out there like Uncle Jack's #59 and Jeff Snook's wesome TR3. Nothing against all the 356's that we TR folks seem to get grouped with in SOVREN, but it was nice to have more than two or three TR4's in DP.

My thanks to Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander for introducing me to FoT and racing TR's with my first TR4, #24, which unfortunately met it's demise last year at Infineon primarily due to driver malfunction.
I thank Chuck Arnold for his nice comments on my current ride, #116, and the super job Tony Garmey of Horizon Racing did over this past winter transforming a TR4 with history back to Boise ID in the late 60's to a great handling vintage racer with great safety features and very professional engineering. 

I had not raced at Road America before and the initial test and tune last Thursday was a bit overwhelming with four miles of track, but I'm pleased to say I did break three minutes with a 2:59.2 + in the MOTRAH feature and had a blast dicing with Sean Alexander the entire race. If we have a MOTRAH event next year, I would plan on attending again with Tony and Bill Hart (Devin TR3) and Tony's father in law, Gene Olson. Thanks Joe Alexander for representing TR's so well at this event and all the other things you do for us.

It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 147 HP at the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've got a good supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??

John James. #116

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> Part 2 
> 
> Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to 
> visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup, 
> Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst 
> Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see 
> it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!! 
> Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the 
> rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-) 
> 
> We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his, 
> Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We 
> got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that 
> model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12 
> Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 
> 
> The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe 
> and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just 
> left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was, 
> sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening. 
> 
> Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his 
> trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst 
> his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was 
> getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30 
> and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues, 
> deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was 
> unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after 
> Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick 
> Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to 
> burst. 
> 
> OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10 
> but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the 
> suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very 
> rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for 
> allowing us time to address the brake light issue). 
> 
> Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing 
> oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul 
> so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr 
> Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch 
> travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in 
> and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in 
> the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared 
> into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided 
> and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage 
> for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so 
> thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and 
> 2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump 
> gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the 
> 32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all 
> back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 
> 
> We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series 
> Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car, 
> sorry Mike. 
> 
> End of part 2 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 2 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:35 +0100 
> From: "Keith Files" 
> Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3 
> To: 
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> 
> Part 3 
> 
> Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a 
> car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver 
> to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided 
> to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the 
> Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before 
> going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was 
> returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what 
> could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!! 
> Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside 
> of his trousers :-) 
> 
> The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what, 
> the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the 
> wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the 
> tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring 
> the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the 
> outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the 
> inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got 
> out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet 
> weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time. 
> 
> Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the 
> team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served 
> Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to 
> go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song 
> and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I 
> was really ready for the Group 3 race. 
> 
> I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1, 
> took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got 
> to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of 
> cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow 
> of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst 
> he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into 
> turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that 
> I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group 
> which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group 
> at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3, 
> Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the 
> engine went sick again. Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker 
> shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw, 
> managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile 
> on my face. 
> 
> We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure 
> of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-) 
> 
> I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would 
> like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a 
> dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon, 
> Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas 
> and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but 
> nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a 
> close eye on her :-)). 
> 
> There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I 
> would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well. 
> 
> Cheers, Keith & Denise. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 3 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:23 EDT 
> From: BillDentin at aol.com 
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR 
> To: fot at autox.team.net ('fot at autox.team.net') 
> Cc: starr001 at umn.edu 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Amici... 
> 
> I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT. 
> 
> Many Midwestern racers will know him well. He has been racing the same TR 
> powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s. He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past week 
> end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others). Pat's other claim to 
> fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years. Pat looks forward 
> to 
> exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook (and 
> Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help. He is still running 83mm 
> pistons and has made no other upgrades. He is looking for ideas. 
> 
> Pat's email address is: starr001 at umn.edu 
> 
> I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota. I know when 
> I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were calling 
> him Doctor Starr. 
> 
> Bill Dentinger 
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************** 
> See what's free at http://www.aol.com. 
> 
> 
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:20:26 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:20:26 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America
In-Reply-To: <20070522132754.AEC21187A02@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070522171827.631A0187ABD@autox.team.net>

Hi Everybody,

We have just arrived home in the UK after what can only be described as one
of the most wonderful racing experiences that I have had in the last 20
years.

Some of you may know that I purchased my TR4 from Larry Rossi in November
2005 and ran it for the first time at Road America in May 2006 with mixed
success (actually more failure than success as we broke 2 heads, the
transmission and, ultimately, put a rod through the block!!!). We went away
from RA last year vowing to return and do a bit better next time :-)

Over the last year Jon Wood of Classic Racecraft in the UK built a new
engine and transmission for the TR4 whilst Jack Drews just about rebuilt
everything else from rear axle through to new cooling and exhaust systems.
As usual, despite ordering my new crank 2 days after returning to the UK
last May, it eventually arrived late February (so what happened to the
promise of a 6-10 week lead time; maybe Farndon meant months!!!!). Jon
worked his usual magic and turned everything round so that the engine and
transmission were ready for shipping by the end of March; unfortunately this
meant that I had to air freight them both which at 330kgs was a bit of a
shock to the wallet - for those with an interest in these things it cost USD
$1300. 

Joe Alexander and Jack had a trip to Chicago to pick up the crate and
despite the usual song and dance routine with Customs eventually got
everything back to Geneseo for Jack to install everything and have the TR4
running after 2 days; what an amazing guy is our Jack.   

Btw the crate is a work of art and was a one-off build by a UK company
designed to protect all the components and to meet the very strict US
regulations, Joe has this stashed away in one of his storage units and I am
sure it will come in use again some time in the future. 

Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to
visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup,
Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst
Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see
it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!!
Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the
rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-)  

We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his,
Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We
got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that
model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12
Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 

The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe
and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just
left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was,
sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening.

Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his
trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst
his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was
getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30
and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues,
deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was
unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after
Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick
Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to
burst.

OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10
but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the
suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very
rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for
allowing us time to address the brake light issue).

Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing
oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul
so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr
Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch
travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in
and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in
the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared
into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided
and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage
for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so
thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and
2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump
gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the
32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all
back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 

We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series
Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car,
sorry Mike. 

Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided
to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was
returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race. 

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,
managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)    
 
I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.  

From triosan at gmail.com  Tue May 22 12:21:17 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:21:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
In-Reply-To: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>
References: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0705221121u570eb844j62f19f15fbac8345@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the great posts, Keith.  My biggest take away from them is wow,
posts break.

Why?  How to avoid this?  Is it common for others.  Is it a 4 cylinder
problem, or is it in the 6's also?

Thanks,
Chuck

On 5/22/07, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Part 3
>
> Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
> car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the
> driver
> to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we
> decided
> to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on
> the
> Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
> going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car
> was
> returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage,
> what
> could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
> Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
> of his trousers :-)
>
> The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess
> what,
> the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like
> the
> wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at
> the
> tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
> the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
> outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
> inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
> out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
> weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.
>
> Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
> team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
> Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
> go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on
> song
> and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
> was really ready for the Group 3 race.
>
> I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
> took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I
> got
> to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group
> of
> cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
> of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him
> whilst
> he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
> turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this
> that
> I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next
> group
> which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
> at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
> Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas,
> the
> engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another
> rocker
> shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry.
> Btw,
> managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a
> smile
> on my face.
>
> We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but
> pressure
> of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)
>
> I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I
> would
> like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making
> a
> dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
> Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
> and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
> nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
> close eye on her :-)).
>
> There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
> would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.
>
> Cheers, Keith & Denise.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> triosan at gmail.com
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 12:42:13 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0705221121u570eb844j62f19f15fbac8345@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070522184014.E1AC4187AEB@autox.team.net>

Hi Chuck,

 

Yep, posts break. Kas had all 3 of his cars come in during one race back in
the 60's with the rear post having broken on all of them so he tells me;
guess we just need to get some stronger ones..

 

Have never had this happen in 20 years of running a 6 cylinder race TR
though.

 

Cheers, Keith.

 

  _____  

From: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 19:21
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Christian Marx
Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3

 

Thanks for the great posts, Keith.  My biggest take away from them is wow,
posts break.

Why?  How to avoid this?  Is it common for others.  Is it a 4 cylinder
problem, or is it in the 6's also?

Thanks,
Chuck

On 5/22/07, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:

Part 3

Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided

to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was

returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside 
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the 
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the 
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to 
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race.

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1, 
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow 
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that 
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3, 
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,

managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-) 

I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon, 
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a 
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Tue May 22 12:07:16 2007
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:07:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
In-Reply-To: <c49.10beadd2.33846f8b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <OFE8EAD9A6.F845FD36-ON862572E3.006316EF-882572E3.006E1072@wilson.com>

Yes it would have been great to see  Jahmaniac get beat. 

 
Regards,
John Reed
Staff Photographer
Wilson Sporting Goods Co.
8700 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA
Tel. + 1.773.490.8908, fax +1.773.714.4585
JReed at wilson.com  www.wilson.com  www.amersports.com
 
 



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05/22/07 09:08 AM

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Subject
[Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America






Bill Babcock !!!!

You got all of the marbles as far as I am concerned. The Bill Ames 
Memorial 
Plaque is now in your possession.  As the owner of the Peyote, and the 
builder 
of an AMBRO, this is surely fitting. 

The Seiko Chronograph watch is truly a nice piece that was sponsored by 
Alexander Racing Enterprises (cough/cough) and stacks up with any Rolex 
that you 
may have, of course. 

Unhappily, Kas was to present this award to you, making a bit more 
special, 
but the program got away from my control by a Morgan Man...wont happen 
again.

I watched you haunt and hassle Jahimiak at one session. Jahimiak is a 
great 
competitor and it would have given all of us great joy in the midwest to 
have 
you prevail. (That's OK. I hear you got a piece of him in the Tech 
Inspection 
Line, when you chipped his paint with the Peyote)

Best regards,

Joe Alexander

> I outfoxed myself and stuck 
> my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave 
> Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of 
> the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the 
> track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top 
> speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.
> 
> I feel a little stupid.
> 
> Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch 
> 2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti 
> in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new 
> favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches 
> and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left 
> the track.
> 
> 

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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu May 24 21:44:27 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
References: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005401c79e7e$fe95da50$6401a8c0@TER2>

The Judson unit is not a "Magneto" it is an electronic ignition unit with 
solid state components that are polarity sensitive.
                                                                             
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Herrera" <jrherrera90 at hotmail.com>
To: <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto


> >Hey all,
>>
>>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>>I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>>Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do 
> with
> the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's
> electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses as it
> fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from airplane
> mags!
>
> John
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 21:59:08 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
	<BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C0F35EBB-30E0-459F-B9FC-F5A2075B9D94@bnj.com>

Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook  
cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a  
substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no  
comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill  
Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for  
me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards  
away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.

I never saw it again.

Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.

Bill Babcock
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On May 24, 2007, at 5:43 PM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote:

> You go Gary !!!   Pass that Sauvignon Blanc bro...  Here Jack, try  
> some cheese
> whiz...   <grin>
>
> Kev
> GT6 #6
> RMVR
> (S.F. native)
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
>   To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
> N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
> fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
>   Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>   California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about  
> to pass
>   Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing  
> state in our
>   fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the  
> stuff, that's
>   25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.   
> However I
>   doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads"  
> with those
>   great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football  
> games.
>   No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/ 
> Livermore Valley
>   wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on  
> the edge of
>   your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
>   where you can relive all the great California cheese  
> commercials.  Hmmm,
>   time for some Monterey Jack!
>
>   Gary
>   62 TR4
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
>   To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
> <N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>   Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
>   Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll  
>> throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those  
>> adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california  
>> cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri May 25 04:57:36 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:57:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <052520071057.24663.4656C120000252B3000060572207002953970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> 

> I never saw it again. 
> 
> Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky. 

Hey,
Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
;-)
Irv
(hoping to get some of that cheese at Blackhawk next month)

From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 25 05:37:45 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
References: <cb1.129ec4d6.3387779b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c79ec1$1dc86ea0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

I'm always up for the Glen!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?


  Kas & Peg,   All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

  Kas,    I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP
  Presentation in 2008.

  I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone
  could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are
several
  of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.

  Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and
  opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

  Regards,

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 25 06:30:32 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <c5c.12c55594.338830e8@cs.com>

> John James!
> 
> Your comments are really appreciated!
> 
> I was extremely pleased with the outcome and SVRA felt it was a success.
> 
> Jack Drews and Dennis Delap are already on the road to recovery after their 
> mishaps.  Great attitudes that exemplify what we are doing.
> 
> Of course we feel badly about the mechanical failures as it robbed us from 
> seeing some of the best that our Triumphs have to offer. Dick Stockton and 
> Henry Frye come to mind.
> 
> I was particularly proud of son Sean and the way he persevered on and off 
> the track. The last time we checked we were only getting about 120HP to work 
> with on #197. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Joe (A)
> 
> 
> >> MOTRAH was the best overall vintage event I have attended in the four 
>> years I've been racing! GREAT track, super organization, very friendly folks, 
>> and best of all, lots of TR'S and other British makes. Also, met many of the 
>> legends in our trade, like Kas and had a chance to see the many well 
>> engineered Triumphs out there like Uncle Jack's #59 and Jeff Snook's wesome TR3. 
>> Nothing against all the 356's that we TR folks seem to get grouped with in 
>> SOVREN, but it was nice to have more than two or three TR4's in DP.
>> 
>> My thanks to Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander for introducing me to FoT and 
>> racing TR's with my first TR4, #24, which unfortunately met it's demise last 
>> year at Infineon primarily due to driver malfunction.
>> I thank Chuck Arnold for his nice comments on my current ride, #116, and 
>> the super job Tony Garmey of Horizon Racing did over this past winter 
>> transforming a TR4 with history back to Boise ID in the late 60's to a great 
>> handling vintage racer with great safety features and very professional 
>> engineering. 
>> 
>> I had not raced at Road America before and the initial test and tune last 
>> Thursday was a bit overwhelming with four miles of track, but I'm pleased to 
>> say I did break three minutes with a 2:59.2 + in the MOTRAH feature and had 
>> a blast dicing with Sean Alexander the entire race. If we have a MOTRAH 
>> event next year, I would plan on attending again with Tony and Bill Hart (Devin 
>> TR3) and Tony's father in law, Gene Olson. Thanks Joe Alexander for 
>> representing TR's so well at this event and all the other things you do for us.
>> 
>> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 147 HP at 
>> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've got a good 
>> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??
>> 
>> John James. #116
>> 
> 

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 25 06:44:41 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:44:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <200705251244.l4PCipPN221076@ns3.geneseo.net>

Uhhhhh.....by the way, in an earlier message about Keith Files' car, 
it was erroneously reported that he gets 174 hp at the rear wheels. 
That was a typo -- it's really 147, still very respectable (I was there).

> >> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 
> 147 HP at
> >> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've 
> got a good
> >> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??
> >>
> >> John James. #116
> >>
> >
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 07:56:56 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:56:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <d49.88a910c.33884528@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 1:49:17 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com 
writes:


> Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook  
> cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a  
> substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no  
> comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill  
> Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for  
> me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards  
> away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.
> 
> I never saw it again.
> 
> Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.
> 

Bill

We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it Saturday night.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...the Tillamook was very, very good, and received high praise from 
Cheesemeister Don Brick.  All the cheese served at our Wine & Cheese Attitude 
Adjustment sessions was well received.  Fridirici brought some excellent smoked 
provolone.  Brick brought aged swiss and some awesome bleu.  I brought some mild 
brick.  We went through twenty-eight bottles of wine (including six doubles).  
All high end stuff with names like Fat Bastard, Joe Blow, and Cheesehead 
Special (the wine for the rest of us).  But as always, the creme DE la cream was the 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 08:01:40 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:01:40 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
Message-ID: <c19.161a4567.33884644@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 2:38:07 AM Central Daylight Time, 
John.Reed at wilson.com writes:


> Yes it would have been great to see  Jahmaniac get beat. 
> 
> 

We watched Babcock pass him going into six in one of the early sessions.  It 
caught Dave by surprise.  Dave Jahimiak is a very good driver, with awesome 
equipment, and tons of RA seat time.  But I'll tell you what...you give Babcock 
and the Peyote a few more sessions and Doctor J has his hands full.

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:12:13 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <C0F35EBB-30E0-459F-B9FC-F5A2075B9D94@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <145031.29270.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Now Bill, it's not that we are sneaky, we were just trying to save Nero from being attached by field mice who might have gone after the first place cheese in the west coast category.  After all, the Tillamook cheddar did receive several favorable comments from the FOT cheese experts.

Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:   Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.    

  I never saw it again. 
  

  Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.    
    Bill Babcock
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 08:15:29 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:15:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:


> Hey,
> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> ;-)
> Irv
> 

Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).  

Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the 2006 
'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he presented it, this was the 
first time the BUBBA award was presented to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack 
even rented a sport coat for the presentation.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can handle it.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:21:58 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
Message-ID: <547714.85748.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill was at his best when he made a great exceptance speech upon receiving the Bubba.  If you have never heard Bill speak, you really missed something.  
  
BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:


> Hey,
> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> ;-)
> Irv
> 

Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression). 

Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the 2006 
'BUBBA' award. And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he presented it, this was the 
first time the BUBBA award was presented to a Yankee. It was a big deal. Jack 
even rented a sport coat for the presentation.

Bill (Damdinger)

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:28:24 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c79ec1$1dc86ea0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>
Message-ID: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's only a short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
   
  Ernie
   
  PS. How come my spell check always wants to change Snook to Snooker?
   
  
Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:
  I'm always up for the Glen!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?


Kas & Peg, All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

Kas, I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP
Presentation in 2008.

I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone
could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are
several
of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.

Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and
opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

Regards,

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 25 09:43:52 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:43:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot] The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <cea.101f4e52.33885e38@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2007 9:28:30 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's only a 
> short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
>  
> Ernie
> 

I have three Pacific Northwest guys coming forward and expressing an 
interest, in fact, prior plans. Good start.

Looking for someone who might take a leadership role in organizing. I hope to 
be there, but running out of energy on these things.

Joe (A)   </HTML>

From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:05:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
References: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DEA520B4-D6D7-421E-A22D-DC868B88894D@bnj.com>

It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.

Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately recognizable.

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On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>
>> Hey,
>> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>
>
> Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
>
> Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was presented  
> to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat for  
> the presentation.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
> PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can  
> handle it.
>
>
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Fri May 25 10:06:29 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:06:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c24.186cc835.33886385@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2007 8:56:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin  
writes:

Bill

We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it  Saturday night.



OK. That explains why the cheese you were serving Saturday night seemed a  
little bland for REAL Wisconsin cheese!
 
Jack W.



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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:07:10 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0FD4F39B-2F4D-4511-B79D-33EF2FDE1935@bnj.com>

I'll be there twice this year. Not so sure about next year, though I  
might be single by that time with lots of time on my hands.

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On May 25, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ernest Husmann wrote:

> Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's  
> only a short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
>
> Ernie
>
> PS. How come my spell check always wants to change Snook to Snooker?
>
>
> Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:
> I'm always up for the Glen!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
>
>
> Kas & Peg, All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.
>
> Kas, I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT  
> KASTNER CUP
> Presentation in 2008.
>
> I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps  
> someone
> could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the  
> Glen....There are
> several
> of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.
>
> Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of  
> ideas and
> opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:08:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
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Bland my ass.

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On May 25, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/25/2007 8:56:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> BillDentin writes:
> Bill
>
> We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it Saturday night.
> OK. That explains why the cheese you were serving Saturday night  
> seemed a little bland for REAL Wisconsin cheese!
>
> Jack W.
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.

From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri May 25 10:32:40 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:32:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <052520071632.9117.46570FA80009BD2C0000239D2200734840970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> 

> I'll be there twice this year. Not so sure about next year, though I 
> might be single by that time with lots of time on my hands. 
Yeah, but with no money to go racing.
:-)
Irv

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 12:58:11 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <20070525.125811.-223239.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> writes:
> It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.
> 
> Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
> 
> and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
> 
> have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
> since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
> 
> like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
> 
> hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately 
> recognizable.
> 
> Bill Babcock
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> On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> > emanteno at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hey,
> >> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> >> ;-)
> >> Irv
> >
> >
> > Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
> >
> > Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 
> > 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> > presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was 
> presented  
> > to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat 
> for  
> > the presentation.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> > PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can 
>  
> > handle it.
> >
> >
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 12:58:11 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <20070525.131006.-223239.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> writes:
> It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.
> 
> Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
> 
> and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
> 
> have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
> since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
> 
> like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
> 
> hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately 
> recognizable.
> 
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> 
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
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> 
> 
> On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> > emanteno at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hey,
> >> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> >> ;-)
> >> Irv
> >
> >
> > Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
> >
> > Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 
> > 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> > presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was 
> presented  
> > to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat 
> for  
> > the presentation.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> > PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can 
>  
> > handle it.
> >
> >
> > **************************************
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 13:27:44 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Erroneous messages
Message-ID: <20070525.132744.-223239.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Hitting buttons not intended.
Sorry about that.
Bill

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 25 13:43:09 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plugs
Message-ID: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>

I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run 
some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special 
ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than that.

Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?

Thanks

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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri May 25 15:25:27 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plugs
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV91E03022FCD4CC3057364C32B0@phx.gbl>

Jack, the NGK Irridium plugs are available in a 9 heat range I do believe.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jack W. Drews<mailto:vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:43 PM
  Subject: [Fot] plugs


  I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
  some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
  ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than
that.

  Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?

  Thanks

  uncle jack



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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 16:34:47 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:34:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  MOTRAH-007
In-Reply-To: <200705251244.l4PCipPN221076@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070525223254.C7FF11879F9@autox.team.net>

It was a tease: call it the English sense of humour :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack W. Drews
Sent: 25 May 2007 13:45
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: MOTRAH-007

Uhhhhh.....by the way, in an earlier message about Keith Files' car, 
it was erroneously reported that he gets 174 hp at the rear wheels. 
That was a typo -- it's really 147, still very respectable (I was there).

> >> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 
> 147 HP at
> >> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've 
> got a good
> >> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame
anyone??
> >>
> >> John James. #116
> >>
> >
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 17:13:28 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:13:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Message-ID: <6ADB6CAF-E8E5-47DC-B4F1-F2B2874C2B23@bnj.com>

If you want to stick with NGK then just remember this--going up in  
number is one step colder, so 8 is colder than 7. C is a half step  
colder than no letter, and S is a half step hotter. So a BP8HC would  
be quite a bit colder than HS, and a B9HS would be very cold. NGK  
also has platinum plugs in the range, and they are about the same as  
C for heat range, so a BP8EV would be roughly similar to BP8HC.

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On May 25, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler  
> than that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:20:10 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-Shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-F115AA64C282B6969FF9136BA2A0@phx.gbl>

Just a reminder that June 16th is the cut off date for the FOT t-shirt 
orders. As of right now we are not even close to the minimum order quantity 
so if you are thinking about ordering a FOT t-shirt now would be the time.

Thanks,
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Fri May 25 20:59:32 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <3d126e62048675bbef0b3844deb0c002@wi.rr.com>

Jack,

I run NGK BP9ES plugs in the TR6. I get them from NAPA.

Allen

On May 25, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler 
> than that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From tr5racer at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 21:00:11 2007
From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:00:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <792474.11798.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear All
   
  Although I am still on holiday in Chicago until May 29th, I would just like to thank everyone for a superb weekends racing at Road America. My son Simon and I had a great weekend and made lots of new friends.
  Although we did not make the Enduro Keith kindly let me do the group 3 qualifying race in which I drove very conservatively, mindful of not damaging Keiths new toy.Unfortunately just as I was getting used to the car and the track the gremlins struck again when the throttle cable snapped!.However I may be allowed to drive the car again in the future.
  It was good to see old friends from Mid Ohio 2002 namely Jack & Tony Drews, Joe & Sean Alexander, Bill Dentinger, Henry Frye and Dean Tetterton as well as making new friends like Allen Washatko and his team. We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
  Thanks again especially to Joe Alexander for making all our arrangements and to Keith for giving me the opportunity to race at one of Americas premier circuits. 
   
  Regards to All
   
  Mike Hughes

 		
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 22:35:55 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:35:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <3d126e62048675bbef0b3844deb0c002@wi.rr.com>
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<3d126e62048675bbef0b3844deb0c002@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8D9A2320-8570-45FC-A883-2305E3483C92@bnj.com>

E plugs are 3/4 reach, is that proper for TR6?

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On May 25, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Allen Washatko wrote:

> Jack,
>
> I run NGK BP9ES plugs in the TR6. I get them from NAPA.
>
> Allen
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>
>> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
>> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
>> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler
>> than that.
>>
>> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> uncle jack
>>
>>
>>
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri May 25 22:55:38 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <004001c79f52$1b4cc860$6401a8c0@TER2>

    Champion makes a very high quality Marine Plug that crosses to a BP8hs. 
The Champion plug is a L-78YC. It is a very cold projected nose, copper core 
plug. It should be good for a high output engine with over 12.5: 
compression.
                                                                             
                        Greg Solow.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] plugs


> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than 
> that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat May 26 07:52:13 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:52:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <cf0.10736074.3389958d@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 10:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr5racer at btinternet.com writes:


> We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to 
> race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
> 

Yeah...we got the TR250 and the rest of the world got the TR5.  It would be 
GREAT to see a true TR5 race this side of the pond.  Go for it.

Bill Dentinger
  


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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat May 26 18:15:34 2007
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH
Message-ID: <001d01c79ff4$25272ef0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>

Ryan and I had a great time at MOTRAH.  We were fortunate enough to be
paddocked next to Jack and Tony Drews and Kieth Files on one side and John
Fridirici on the other.  Nice to be among so many Triumphs.  And all nice
company.  It was interesting to watch Jack's perseverance in keeping the car
going and the wizardry of Jon Woods on Keith's car.
    Our first time at Road America and it is a looong track.  Realized that
the 4.3 to 1 rear end, even with an overdrive just can't quite do it at RA.
Maybe a little lack of top end power didn't help either.  But, while we're
learning and getting some "seat time", reliability is our main criteria.
Can't get "seat time" fixing the car in the paddock.  The only "fix" I had to
do was tighten the "fan" belt!
    Also got to meet some great people.  Bill Babcock took the time to give
some history on Peyote.  Was great to see him running so well.  Met Kas and
Peg for the first time, what nice people.  Had the opportunity to indulge in
the wine and cheese party, although I think we missed the West coast cheddar.
    All in all a really terrific weekend.  Thanks to Joe A. and the others who
organized it.

Tim

From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 18:58:09 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
In-Reply-To: <cf0.10736074.3389958d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <262434.24213.qm@web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill, wait and think about what your saying.  I remember the Brit cars at Mid-Ohio and they were extremely fast and well driven.  Wait, where am I going with this, bring 'em all over!
   
  Ernie

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/25/2007 10:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr5racer at btinternet.com writes:


> We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to 
> race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
> 

Yeah...we got the TR250 and the rest of the world got the TR5. It would be 
GREAT to see a true TR5 race this side of the pond. Go for it.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:32:33 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 1 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043044.A48B51879DC@autox.team.net>

I thought the Motrah 007 event was an unqualified
success.  Between the organizers and SVRA, we had
4, count em, 4 extra sessions as a Motrah
entry.  One of them was the pursuit race that was
lightly filled due to the
weather.  Congratulations to Henry for the win in that one.

Over the winter, I ended up with an engine
rebuild and an OD rebuild.  I installed an
experimental camshaft designed by our own Larry
Young, and struggled to find a crankshaft that
was usable.  I ended up with a loaner from uncle
jack thats the former Keith Files Moldex.  The
Crower / Dunst crank will arrive
eventually  Larrys cam is designed with the
idea that we want maximum torque between 4000 and
6000 RPM since our engines dont have the flow
necessary to run high RPMs.  It has aggressive
ramps that require the stock lifter (not the GT-40 ones).

We took the motor it to an engine dyno in
Wisconsin to tune the carbs, find the optimal cam
advance (dyno software predicted 0 to 2 degrees
advance would be best), and find the optimal
ignition settings.  I spent every waking moment
getting the motor in the car and getting the car
ready for Motrah.  I ended up with two weeknights to spare.  Yikes.

With that cam and everything tuned like is should
be, I have never had that much power.  I was able
to spin the tires in first by just flooring the gas.  Cool.

We were paddocked with Joe Alexander, Keith
Files, and the Murphys.  Tim and Ryan are a new
father / son racing team.  They had an excellent
weekend in there beautiful TR-4.  Ryan (son) was
driving this weekend and did and excellent
job.  Its neat to see their enthusiasm for the
sport.  As the son part of a father / son team,
Ive gotta say  that is absolutely the most fun
you can possibly have.  I really encourage others
to try to get their sons involved in this wonderful sport.

Part 1 of 3

Tony Drews

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:33:28 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 2 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043134.9F1DA1879DC@autox.team.net>

Uncle jack has to have the perseverance award 
shelled out the pinion in the first session, took
the rear axle out, took it home (5 hours each
way), rebuilt it with a R&P on the shelf and only
missed a session.  Left at 6:30 Thursday night
and pulled back in around noon on
Friday.  (!)  Also, he and I changed the starter
that died, and overcame an encounter with the
tire wall.  The body man will be happy, Jacks checkbook will be sad.

In the group 3 qualifying race, I came up on a
car that looked suspiciously like uncle jack, but
not entirely.  As I got closer, I realized that
it was, in fact, my dad but with the left side of
the car caved in.  I felt sick seeing that.  But,
just to prove that chivalry wasnt dead, he did a
long lurid slide coming out of turn 6 trying to keep me behind him.

The Motrah qualifying race ended up being in the
wet.  I watched Allen Washatko spin in turn 14
and lightly glance off of the inside wall.  On
the last lap, I saw Dennis Delap off the track in
a crunched condition after turn 7.  I ended up
coming in 3rd behind a V-8 Morgan and Dave
Jahamiak, I think.  It was a glorious drive,
feeling the tires AT THE LIMIT in the
corners.  The Kink was one of the slipperier
corners.  (!)  I kept telling myself: brake
early, dont screw up, preserve the car.

In the Motrah race, I had a great dice with Jeff
Johnk.  It turns out that he is a real gentleman
racer.  I was faster through the twisty bits and
he was faster on the straights.  Once I passed
him, he made a point of NOT passing me back on
the straights so that I could battle with Allen
Washatko in his well prepared TR-6.  I was
setting Allen up for a possible turn 5 pass on
the last lap when he pulled off the inside of
turn 1, out of gas.  I think I ended up in 5th
place behind the two V-8 Morgans, Jahamiak and
Babcock.  Best time was in the neighborhood of
2:48.4  6 seconds better than my best time from
last year.  Incidentally, I PASSED Bill early in
the weekend (while he was still learning the
track).  I told him that was the only time that
would happen and it turns out I was right.

Part 2 of 3

Tony Drews

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:34:13 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:34:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 3 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043219.446AB1879DC@autox.team.net>

   In  the  normal  group race, I was classified in group 3 CP (bumped up
   from  3 DP) due to my rear disk brakes (nevermind that Im paying a 150
   lb penalty for the massive rear axle attached to them).  They put 3 CP
   in  with  the sports racer group.  I started that race at the back due
   to  a  timing / scoring problem.  Turns out that a couple of fast 356s
   were  in  that  group too.  I had a good start with my new-found power
   and  passed a few cars on the first lap, including Rick Gurolnick (Dr.
   Dreadful)  in  his  VERY nice 356.  Rick re-passed me on at the end of
   the  straight  the  next lap.  I spent most of the race drafting him a
   foot  off his rear end, popping out a the end, pulling out every trick
   I  knew.   On  the  next  to  the  last  lap,  he  ran wide in turn 5.
   Glorious!   I  went  through turns 5 and 6 side by side with Rick, and
   edged  him out by turn 7.  With a great run through the kink, I gapped
   him  enough  to stay ahead through the front and back straights on the
   last  lap.   I  early apexed the kink slightly on the last lap, and he
   was  highly  motivated.  He pulled back up to my rear, but didnt quite
   have  enough  to  pass  me  before  the end of the race.  What a race!
   Thats the one Ive got in-car footage of at
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7361466699989864483 .

   John  Sprinzel  wandered  by  early  in the weekend and was telling me
   stories  of running for the factory Triumph team.  Kas Kastner stopped
   by  after  every  session and told me my lap times with a smile on his
   face.  How cool is that?

   If  we  can  end up with some sort of similar deal with Triumph as the
   featured  marque (maybe a Triumph / Healey challenge?) at Watkins Glen
   in 2008, that would be AWESOME!  It seems like a trial balloon message
   or  two  has  come  out on that I would wholeheartedly support such an
   event.
   Part 3 of 3

   Tony Drews

From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat May 26 23:38:25 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:38:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plugs
Message-ID: <c12.183609e8.338a7351@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 5/26/2007 11:29:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

>     Champion makes a very high quality Marine Plug that crosses to a BP8hs. 
> The Champion plug is a L-78YC. It is a very cold projected nose, copper core 
> plug. It should be good for a high output engine with over 12.5: 
> compression.

I wouldn't touch a champion plug with a barge pole, champion & high quality 
are oxymorons nowadays.

NGKs are the only way to go as far as I am concerned

Regards

Leon
 
<A HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963</A>  
    
    
   </HTML>

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun May 27 11:21:07 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:21:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
Message-ID: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>

I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator.
Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day.

I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the
Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!  For now,
however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph guys out
here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of champagne after
my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!

On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2 176 #3 178 #4
178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?



~Steve

From billb at bnj.com  Sun May 27 12:25:39 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:25:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
In-Reply-To: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
References: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
Message-ID: <B2780C9A-574D-4A57-9C12-2217961E4A98@bnj.com>

Wine country classic is a great event, classy but not exclusive--they  
take Peyote whenever I manage to get my entry in, and they have a few  
production cars in the grid. The trick is to get your entry in early.  
It also helps if you enter some other HMSA events. While General  
Racing still runs Wine Country and Monterey, Steve and Debbie Earle  
have backed off from the grind and are having Cris Vandagriff  
(President of HMSA and a long-time right hand to Steve) run things.

I won't be there this year because Peyote is in Virginia, but it's  
one of my favorite events. In many ways I like it more than the  
Monterey Historics, though Monterey overall is a incredible event.

Make sure you go to the saturday night party in Sonoma Square, and if  
you can tag along to the friday night driver's party up at the Office  
complex (the building up on top of the hill) then do so--good food,  
good wine, lots of benchracing. The Sonoma Square party includes an  
impromptu concours that includes a lot of the race cars that have  
some kind of street legality (pretty sketchy usually) and a lot of  
food and wine tasting. It costs a few bucks, but it's well worth the  
price.

Laguna Seca and Sears are must go tracks for anyone remotely in the  
area. Wine Country is not quite as hard to get into as Monterey--but  
it's close. Other choices for these tracks are the SCCA event in May  
at Laguna Seca and the CSRG Charity Challenge at Sears. Both offer a  
lot more track time.

There's no way to interpret race tune from compression ratio--the cam  
overlap has too much influence on the numbers. Often a street engine  
with a mild cam and 8 to 1 compression will have higher compression  
readings than a hot cam and 11 to 1. You use compression tests to  
tell if you have a flaw--a stuck ring or a leaky valve. Leakdown  
tests are better for this, but compression is a quick and dirty check.

Bill Babcock
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On May 27, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Steve Belfer wrote:

> I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a  
> spectator.
> Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
> Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
> I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one  
> day.
>
> I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in  
> the
> Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!   
> For now,
> however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph  
> guys out
> here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of  
> champagne after
> my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!
>
> On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2  
> 176 #3 178 #4
> 178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?
>
>
>
> ~Steve
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun May 27 13:11:53 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:11:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph TR3 Serial #26557 Engine #26908 first sold
 3/19/1958
Message-ID: <4659D7F9.8020809@greenheart.com>

I was at a swap meet recently  in Pasadena, California, and I  found a 
copy Standard Motor's "Practical Hints for the Maintenance of the 
Triumph TR3".    Folded inside was the origial dealer Check and 
Acceptance Form for this specific car  Serial #26557   Engine #26908  
first sold 3/19/1958

I bought this booklet for reference and interest around my TR2, but I 
would consider passing it along to the original TR3 owner, if he/she has 
an interest.   It would be great to put these items together again with 
their car.

--Justin Wagner

From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sun May 27 16:06:28 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:06:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
References: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
Message-ID: <001b01c7a0ab$46a070c0$6401a8c0@TER2>

I will be there with my ex Lew Spencer Morgan Super Sport, "Baby Doll V". We 
are in  Race Group 7, along with the Cobras, Stingray Corvettes, GT 350s, 
etc. I notice that Ron Jacobs with his TR-4 is also in this class. There are 
also some Elava Couriers, Loti and a Ginetta G-4r. It will be a "fun" class!
                                                                             
                                        Greg Solow
` 
Morgan SS # 45. "Kingfisher Blue"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic / Compression


> I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator.
> Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
> Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
> I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day.
>
> I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the
> Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!  For now,
> however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph guys out
> here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of champagne 
> after
> my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!
>
> On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2 176 #3 
> 178 #4
> 178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?
>
>
>
> ~Steve
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>
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From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net  Mon May 28 09:16:17 2007
From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:16:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
Message-ID: <052820071516.2474.465AF2410004A62F000009AA2160383116990E04D2069D@att.net>

The Wine Country Classic is always fun and it does sound like a fun class. My TR-4 is dark blue number 484. Please stop by.  Look forward to seeing some of you there.

Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>: -------------- 


> I will be there with my ex Lew Spencer Morgan Super Sport, "Baby Doll V". We 
> are in Race Group 7, along with the Cobras, Stingray Corvettes, GT 350s, 
> etc. I notice that Ron Jacobs with his TR-4 is also in this class. There are 
> also some Elava Couriers, Loti and a Ginetta G-4r. It will be a "fun" class! 
> 
> Greg Solow 
> ` 
> Morgan SS # 45. "Kingfisher Blue" 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Belfer" 
> To: "Friends of Triumph" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:21 AM 
> Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic / Compression 
> 
> 
> > I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator. 
> > Any FOT'rs planning to attend? 
> > Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such? 
> > I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day. 
> > 
> > I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the 
> > Midwest. Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland! For now, 
> > however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA. The Triumph guys out 
> > here are first-class. I was even presented with a bottle of champagne 
> > after 
> > my first day of racing at Buttonwillow! 
> > 
> > On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday. #1 179 #2 176 #3 
> > 178 #4 
> > 178. What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ~Steve 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> > 
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Mon May 28 14:08:20 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:08:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
Message-ID: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Hi @ all,

I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to the
car?

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: Sprint Alternator


Hello Paul,

I'm Chris from Germany.
I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at Kas
book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the amperemeter
shows -5A.

What trick is needed to install the alternator?
At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched (+).

Cheers
Chris

PS: Thanks in advance for help.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon May 28 16:12:41 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
In-Reply-To: <000801c7a149$5ccc5cd0$5d60a3d8@Dell5100Laptop>
References: <000801c7a149$5ccc5cd0$5d60a3d8@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <88E158B5-1C9E-460C-99F5-49984A8256C9@bnj.com>

I have a gas grill. I also have three tables and I'll supply wine,
beer, and pupus as we call them in Hawaii. .  I'm going to have to
work on Peyote quite a bit when I get there, my driveshaft was going
south, so I took it back to Portland and got it rebuilt. Also have to
put a new seal in the rear end input shaft. No big deal, but some
assembly will be required.
Bill Babcock
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On May 28, 2007, at 9:58 AM, marshall wrote:

> OK, as I understand it, Leo will get the TR list from VIR, Jo and I
> will bring up the special hot dogs and the fire pit along with
> firewood and other usual stuff.  Dean has the table and Bill has
> the movie equipment.  Since Henry wont be there we to figure out
> how to get a grill up there.  Has anyone got something small enough
> to bring but big enough to cook on?  In a pinch we can use our
> little Weber but it wont do much.
>
>
> Were going to try to get in on Wednesday but itll be late if we
> make it in one pull.  Most people will arrive on Thursday so I
> dont know if we should do it Thursday night or Friday.  Friday
> might conflict with some Gold Cup event but I dont have a copy of
> the schedule with me.  Tomorrow were heading back to Florida and
> will start on the car.  Hopefully nothing has gone wrong between
> the last session at VIR in April and now.  Cheers, Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LOddTR at aol.com [mailto:LOddTR at aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:16 PM
> To: marshall at nefcom.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
>
>
> Don,
>
>
> Your plan sounds like a good one. I'll get an invite out as soon as
> I hear from Christa. If I don't get a response I'll send a note to
> the usual suspects.
>
>
> The tranny leak is a little evasive. I retorgued the tail housing
> and the top. It may be the rear seal. No cracks though. I confirmed
> that today. I may pull the drive shaft to have it checked for
> balance. I'll get a good look at the rear seal then.
>
>
> Beyond the above, the car is rarin' to go. I even put a coat of wax
> on it today. First time in several years. Sure does look pretty
> with all the stone chips touched up and with the new windscreen. I
> kinda hate to take it on the track and have the front end get sand
> blasted again. Oh well. That's what cans of spray paint are for.
>
>
> Leo
>
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Mon May 28 20:48:09 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just installed, which 
worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the threaded nut 
takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This alternator 
also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy Sprint wiring 
harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.  One of 
those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the 
ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a signal to 
tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three blades form a 
"U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the bottom of the 
"U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of the U and 
it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one can be 
hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator is not 
charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained why this 
works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your 
friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the engine just 
pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no longer being 
told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car runs off 
the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an hour or 
so.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator


> Hi @ all,
>
> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to the
> car?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>
>
> Hello Paul,
>
> I'm Chris from Germany.
> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at 
> Kas
> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the amperemeter
> shows -5A.
>
> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched 
> (+).
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 
> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue May 29 07:02:53 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:02:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
Message-ID: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>

Friends
What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car filming also
mounting arrangement to minimise shake
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under

From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 09:25:20 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
In-Reply-To: <005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <2D17A007-4673-4BF8-A7F8-0D2A10E6DF94@bnj.com>

Actually, unless you're running lights most batteries--even the small  
motorcycle type I use in Peyote, are enough to run the car for many  
races including starts. I do like the idea of being able to shut off  
the alternator. Makes it easier to wire the ignition shut off switch  
as well, though you'll still need a double pole switch
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On May 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just  
> installed, which
> worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the  
> threaded nut
> takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This  
> alternator
> also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy  
> Sprint wiring
> harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.   
> One of
> those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
> ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a  
> signal to
> tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three  
> blades form a
> "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the  
> bottom of the
> "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of  
> the U and
> it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one  
> can be
> hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator  
> is not
> charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained  
> why this
> works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your
> friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the  
> engine just
> pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no  
> longer being
> told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car  
> runs off
> the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an  
> hour or
> so.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
>> Hi @ all,
>>
>> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
>> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator  
>> to the
>> car?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>>
>>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> I'm Chris from Germany.
>> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as  
>> mentioned at
>> Kas
>> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
>> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the  
>> amperemeter
>> shows -5A.
>>
>> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
>> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
>> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the  
>> switched
>> (+).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a  
>> name of
>> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 09:44:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:44:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>
References: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>
Message-ID: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>

If you don't already have a video camera I suggest one of the new  
self contained helmet cams. They're cheap ($150 US) they record for a  
long time on 2GB SD cards, and they have auto focus and auto  
contrast. The Oregon Scientific bullet style camera is the best  
format but their customer service sucks and they have some issues  
with vibration affecting the SD card connection. You can fix it with  
a piece of foam earplug wedged in the holder, but you might not like  
that kind of bodge. There's also a tiny waterproof camera you can  
probably get at surf shops that's got a better lens and is more  
reliable I think they're called Sport Cam.

These cameras are so small and light that mounting them can be a  
matter of using the straps they provide with duct tape for  
reinforcement. You can helmet mount them or stick them on the roll  
bar. They are light enough that vibration doesn't seem to be much of  
a problem.

If you have a videocamera already, especially one with image  
stabilization, then you can just use a commercially available mount.  
I don't remember the name of mine--something with "Zero" in the name.  
It has a urethane vibration damper and clamps to the roll bar. Make  
sure you rig a safety strap in case the mount fails. Not only will it  
save your camera but it will also prevent FOD to the car behind you.  
I also tape a bit of tearoff shield across the lens to prevent high  
speed gook from damaging the lens. I do the same with the little  
sportcams.

Guys that get serious have bullet cameras feeding a tapeless recorder  
(using SD cards) and some have switchable or dual feeds. You can  
easily spend several thousand bucks on this, and you can duplicate  
the results with two $150 SportCams, though the quality might not be  
as high. Most of this stuff winds up on the web at low res anyway.  
The sportcams do 640 X 480 resolution at 30 or 15 FPS, which is  
better than anyone that isn't broadcasting needs.


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On May 29, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Geoffrey Byrne wrote:

> Friends
> What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car  
> filming also
> mounting arrangement to minimise shake
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 Racer Down Under
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 09:46:33 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:46:33 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
Message-ID: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>

List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.

There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides and 
those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.

So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.

A few points of information:

The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event 

Formula 500 is also a featured race.

SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.

Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing 
the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.

OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.     Thanks!

Best Regards,

Joe Alexander

   </HTML>

From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue May 29 12:13:48 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:13:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>

I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.

I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives close to the
track!

Thanks,

Jeff Snook
www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
Cup..Decision Time!!!


  List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.

  There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides
and
  those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.

  So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.

  A few points of information:

  The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event

  Formula 500 is also a featured race.

  SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.

  Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
  the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.

  OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.
Thanks!

  Best Regards,

  Joe Alexander

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 13:03:24 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
	<00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
Message-ID: <0ED023B0-D9AE-4062-AC5A-A67C072FD6CA@bnj.com>

Speaking of which, is anyone going to the Watkins Glen Historics on  
the 14th, or for that matter, who's going to Mosport the week after.  
I'll be at both, it would be good to pit with friends, and any FOT  
spectating, be sure to drop by and say hi. Movie nights too of course. .

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On May 29, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Snook wrote:

> I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.
>
> I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives close  
> to the
> track!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Snook
> www.snooksdreamcars.com
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>   To: fot at autox.team.net
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 AM
>   Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
> Cup..Decision Time!!!
>
>
>   List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at  
> 2008 Zippo.
>
>   There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few  
> downsides
> and
>   those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
>   So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
>   A few points of information:
>
>   The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
>   Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
>   SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their  
> planning.
>
>   Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in  
> organizing
>   the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
>   OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.
> Thanks!
>
>   Best Regards,
>
>   Joe Alexander
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 13:31:11 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:31:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time...
Message-ID: <be8.18085212.338dd97f@cs.com>

What a great choice on your itinerary!

You wont have any trouble finding friends at Mosport. 

Lots of track time and one of the best tracks you will ever run in your life, 
methinks.

Wish we all could be there.  

BTW, Mosport is on the radar for 2008, for some of us. 

Joe A


> Speaking of which, is anyone going to the Watkins Glen Historics on the 
> 14th, or for that matter, who's going to Mosport the week after. I'll be at 
> both, it would be good to pit with friends, and any FOT spectating, be sure to 
> drop by and say hi. Movie nights too of course. . 
> 
> 

   </HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 13:45:14 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:45:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>

Jeff Johnk! 

What a great gentleman in this MOTRAH-007 organizational effort. Thanks! 

And thanks for getting John Sprinzel to us!

Responses tell us that this weekend was quite a success.

I understand that you will be taking a year off after two years of organizing 
these events.....the 2006 Healey Tour, and now Motrah-007.

Looking forward to the next combined Triumph/Healey Meeting.

Yup, Tony was The Man of the Hour at MOTRAH-007....I wonder where he gets it 
from?

Jeff Johnk....great organizer and great family man!  THANK YOU!

Hats off from the FoT!

Joe (A)




> Hi MOTRAH racers,
>     I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race participants 
> of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the Triumphs 
> and Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs, especially 
> with Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has 2138 cc's and 
> four cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked my butt in the 
> straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much everywhere! Big 
> Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of time to him 
> under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race 
> progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be right on my trunk 
> handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all the stops 
> out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right foot planted on 
> the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they say), than 
> waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and brimstone(actually 
> it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony appeared on the 
> inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is! Great Fun!  
>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been circulating, 
> that is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. 
> This is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
>  it was $20.
>     Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to racing with 
> you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
>         Healey 28,
>             Jeff Johnk
> 

   </HTML>

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 14:31:41 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>

FOT,

"The Thriller at Miller....."

Looks like a good one.

New highly touted course.

Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.

Kastner Cup Presentation.

Jan & I will be there....with or without #197

Who else will be there?

Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again?   "Cup" is boxed Priority Mail and 
ready to send.

Regards,

Joe (A)   </HTML>

From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 14:43:33 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:43:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>
References: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>
Message-ID: <C4FE9885-DABE-4100-8B30-27A40FA1184E@bnj.com>

Incidentally, I've finished a two part section in the blog about  
Motrah. Left out a great deal, but thats only because it was headed  
towards a couple of thousand words.
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On May 29, 2007, at 12:45 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Jeff Johnk!
>
> What a great gentleman in this MOTRAH-007 organizational effort.  
> Thanks!
>
> And thanks for getting John Sprinzel to us!
>
> Responses tell us that this weekend was quite a success.
>
> I understand that you will be taking a year off after two years of  
> organizing
> these events.....the 2006 Healey Tour, and now Motrah-007.
>
> Looking forward to the next combined Triumph/Healey Meeting.
>
> Yup, Tony was The Man of the Hour at MOTRAH-007....I wonder where  
> he gets it
> from?
>
> Jeff Johnk....great organizer and great family man!  THANK YOU!
>
> Hats off from the FoT!
>
> Joe (A)
>
>
>
>
>> Hi MOTRAH racers,
>>     I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race  
>> participants
>> of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the  
>> Triumphs
>> and Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs,  
>> especially
>> with Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has  
>> 2138 cc's and
>> four cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked  
>> my butt in the
>> straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much  
>> everywhere! Big
>> Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of  
>> time to him
>> under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race
>> progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be  
>> right on my trunk
>> handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all  
>> the stops
>> out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right  
>> foot planted on
>> the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they  
>> say), than
>> waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and  
>> brimstone(actually
>> it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony appeared  
>> on the
>> inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is!  
>> Great Fun!
>>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been  
>> circulating,
>> that is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in  
>> front of Tony.
>> This is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid  
>> personal.......
>>  it was $20.
>>     Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to  
>> racing with
>> you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
>>         Healey 28,
>>             Jeff Johnk
>>
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue May 29 14:45:00 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <20070529.144501.-205105.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

I'll be there, in Race Control, not driving.
Bill

On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
> FOT,
> 
> "The Thriller at Miller....."
> 
> Looks like a good one.
> 
> New highly touted course.
> 
> Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.
> 
> Kastner Cup Presentation.
> 
> Jan & I will be there....with or without #197
> 
> Who else will be there?
> 
> Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again?   "Cup" is boxed Priority 
> Mail and 
> ready to send.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Joe (A)   </HTML>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May 29 14:47:50 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:47:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <BAY102-W15BABA1B2774555703251902F0@phx.gbl>

Henry Morrison & Crew will be
there...............................................Elva Courier> To:
N197TR4 at cs.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:00 -0600> From:
wgrosenbach at juno.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at
Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH> > I'll be there, in Race Control, not
driving.> Bill> > On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes:> >
FOT,> > > > "The Thriller at Miller....."> > > > Looks like a good one.> > > >
New highly touted course.> > > > Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.> > > > Kastner Cup
Presentation.> > > > Jan & I will be there....with or without #197> > > > Who
else will be there?> > > > Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again? "Cup" is
boxed Priority > > Mail and > > ready to send.> > > > Regards,> > > > Joe (A)
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May 29 14:50:43 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:50:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>

Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east 
Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is still 
coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack and Tony?  
So, who else is coming...
 
Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.  
 
 
Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 29 17:54:44 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net>

Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that 
overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.

Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.

- Tony

At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is still
>coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack 
>and Tony?
>So, who else is coming...
>
>Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>
>
>Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 29 17:55:43 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:55:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20070529235350.333C71879FD@autox.team.net>

I'm in, but not able to help with organization.  Anyone who has seen 
my garage will understand.

- Tony

At 10:46 AM 5/29/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
>
>There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides and
>those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
>So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
>A few points of information:
>
>The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
>Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
>SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
>
>Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
>the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
>OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.     Thanks!
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Joe Alexander
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From TR4racr at aol.com  Tue May 29 18:24:11 2007
From: TR4racr at aol.com (TR4racr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:24:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time...
Message-ID: <bb8.138e4d11.338e1e2b@aol.com>

I also will be there and like Jeff,unable to assist in managing the  event.
George Wright
Mechanicsville,Va.



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 20:01:23 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Pro Solo in July
Message-ID: <BAY123-W14FCAA782BF28F2B9A3389BA2E0@phx.gbl>

Any other FOT'rs going to the SCCA Pro-Solo event in Toledo Ohio in
July?Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 10:10:30 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:10:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
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It shouldn't if it's connected correctly, except for the field  
current. What voltage are you seeing on the output lead?

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On May 29, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:

> My car should remain road legal, so I need a full functional  
> alternator. When driving home with the car from more distant tracks  
> I return home at nights.
>
> I will try all Scott did adviced me.
> But I still wonder why it consumes some amps?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: Scott Janzen
> Cc: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
> Actually, unless you're running lights most batteries--even the  
> small motorcycle type I use in Peyote, are enough to run the car  
> for many races including starts. I do like the idea of being able  
> to shut off the alternator. Makes it easier to wire the ignition  
> shut off switch as well, though you'll still need a double pole switch
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>
> On May 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen wrote:
>
>> Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just  
>> installed, which
>> worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the  
>> threaded nut
>> takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This  
>> alternator
>> also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy  
>> Sprint wiring
>> harness - there are three spade connections within the  
>> receptacle.  One of
>> those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
>> ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a  
>> signal to
>> tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three  
>> blades form a
>> "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the  
>> bottom of the
>> "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of  
>> the U and
>> it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one  
>> can be
>> hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator  
>> is not
>> charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that  
>> explained why this
>> works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If  
>> your
>> friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the  
>> engine just
>> pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no  
>> longer being
>> told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car  
>> runs off
>> the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for  
>> an hour or
>> so.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>>
>>
>>> Hi @ all,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
>>> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint  
>>> alternator to the
>>> car?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>>> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
>>> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> I'm Chris from Germany.
>>> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as  
>>> mentioned at
>>> Kas
>>> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
>>> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the  
>>> amperemeter
>>> shows -5A.
>>>
>>> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
>>> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
>>> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the  
>>> switched
>>> (+).
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>>>
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From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Tue May 29 17:31:05 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:31:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>

Bill,
Thanks for the camera info.  Unfortunately, I got maybe 5 times this amount
invested in a Cannon digital with a hard drive that plays beautiful with
direct connection to my TV and digital projector.  The problem is that it
keeps turning itself off after a few seconds into an autocross.  I have it
mounted on my bumper support on the passenger side of the car with regular
hard tripod mounting system.  (I wanted to be safe you know).  Do you think
vibration is the culprit here?  It runs great as long as I'm holding it. It
was really embarrassing at our regional event when I thought my first
capture of my first run from my low slung mounted bumper camera would show
how exciting the almost 1 mile long autocross was....but alas...it recorded
only my take off.  My old analog Sony with a super8 tape recorded an
autocross better.  This Cannon is light and takes great movies and stills.
Do you think I need to mount it in foam and duct tape it to the bumper?  

Don W. Carter, AIA
Carter Design Associates
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:44 AM
To: Geoffrey Byrne
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video for in car filming


If you don't already have a video camera I suggest one of the new  
self contained helmet cams. They're cheap ($150 US) they record for a  
long time on 2GB SD cards, and they have auto focus and auto  
contrast. The Oregon Scientific bullet style camera is the best  
format but their customer service sucks and they have some issues  
with vibration affecting the SD card connection. You can fix it with  
a piece of foam earplug wedged in the holder, but you might not like  
that kind of bodge. There's also a tiny waterproof camera you can  
probably get at surf shops that's got a better lens and is more  
reliable I think they're called Sport Cam.

These cameras are so small and light that mounting them can be a  
matter of using the straps they provide with duct tape for  
reinforcement. You can helmet mount them or stick them on the roll  
bar. They are light enough that vibration doesn't seem to be much of  
a problem.

If you have a videocamera already, especially one with image  
stabilization, then you can just use a commercially available mount.  
I don't remember the name of mine--something with "Zero" in the name.  
It has a urethane vibration damper and clamps to the roll bar. Make  
sure you rig a safety strap in case the mount fails. Not only will it  
save your camera but it will also prevent FOD to the car behind you.  
I also tape a bit of tearoff shield across the lens to prevent high  
speed gook from damaging the lens. I do the same with the little  
sportcams.

Guys that get serious have bullet cameras feeding a tapeless recorder  
(using SD cards) and some have switchable or dual feeds. You can  
easily spend several thousand bucks on this, and you can duplicate  
the results with two $150 SportCams, though the quality might not be  
as high. Most of this stuff winds up on the web at low res anyway.  
The sportcams do 640 X 480 resolution at 30 or 15 FPS, which is  
better than anyone that isn't broadcasting needs.


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On May 29, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Geoffrey Byrne wrote:

> Friends
> What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car
> filming also
> mounting arrangement to minimise shake
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 Racer Down Under
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sun May 27 08:42:59 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
Message-ID: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

My TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track days at
Beaverun. Track time on a track day is as much as at a normal vintage race
weekend. Otherwise just road use.
I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
I put Richard Good's 165 roller rockers on last summer which increased the
lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
.480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
Advice solicited and happily accepted.
Bruce Stutzman

From jeffj at centuryrefining.com  Tue May 29 13:35:56 2007
From: jeffj at centuryrefining.com (Jeff Johnk)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
Message-ID: <003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>

Hi MOTRAH racers,
    I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race participants
of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the Triumphs and
Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs, especially with
Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has 2138 cc's and four
cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked my butt in the
straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much everywhere! Big
Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of time to him
under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race
progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be right on my
trunk handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all the
stops out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right foot
planted on the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they
say), than waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and
brimstone(actually it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony
appeared on the inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is!
Great Fun!
    I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been circulating, that
is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. This
is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
 it was $20.
    Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to racing with
you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
        Healey 28,
            Jeff Johnk
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: seanax at iowalaser.com ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:37 AM
  Subject: MOTRAH-007 aftermath


  FOT,

  On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing.
We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and
everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files &
Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that
is.

  Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and
went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little
more tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.

  Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines.
We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe
invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so
well.

  Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time
with his road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE
Seiko Chronograph)

  Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo,
rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.

  More later,

  enuff for the moment.  what's your story?

  Joe

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:02:31 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
In-Reply-To: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
References: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <20070530120037.562E0187A0A@autox.team.net>

   British  Parts  Northwest  hardness checks their lifters.  They have a
   set  of heavy duty tappets that are coated with something cool and are
   "lightened" for less than a buck more than the stock lifters.
   http://www.bpnorthwest.com/
   Here's their description:
   "These  are  Heavy  Duty  Tappets for a TR3-4A. They are lightened and
   have  an  extra  oil  drilled in the side for extra lubrication. Every
   batch  of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. Each tappet
   will  have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard is
   50  for  tappets.  We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other
   companies  and  never  will  because of our dedication to dealing with
   only quality suppliers. "
   0.480  lift  is  nothing  to sneeze at, and will stress the valvetrain
   more than the stock lift.  Not a bad idea to follow the thread on good
   oil,  maybe  add some STP red or GM's EOS on an oil change to keep the
   ZDDP in the range where the valvetrain doesn't eat itself.
   - Tony Drews
   At 09:42 AM 5/27/2007, Stutzman wrote:

     My  TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track
     days at
     Beaverun.  Track  time  on  a  track  day is as much as at a normal
     vintage race
     weekend. Otherwise just road use.
     I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
     It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
     I  put  Richard  Good's  165  roller  rockers  on last summer which
     increased the
     lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
     Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
     3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
     Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
     .480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
     Advice solicited and happily accepted.
     Bruce Stutzman
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May 30 06:03:40 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:03:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
Message-ID: <005e01c7a2b2$9637b4a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

You might have read my tappet talk mail from the last 3 weeks.
I have let grind my tappets flat because all available tappets are domed and
from my opinion they don't run well on a non-taper lobe cam, as most of the
cams are.

Will be interesting to find out if they will last....

Cheers
Chris

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tony Drews
  To: chris at tr4-racing.de
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:51 PM
  Subject: Fwd: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam




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    My TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track days
at
    Beaverun. Track time on a track day is as much as at a normal vintage
race
    weekend. Otherwise just road use.
    I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
    It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
    I put Richard Good's 165 roller rockers on last summer which increased
the
    lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
    Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
    3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
    Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
    .480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
    Advice solicited and happily accepted.
    Bruce Stutzman
    _______________________________________________
    http://www.team.net/donate.html


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:13:23 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
	<003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>
Message-ID: <20070530121128.6D3B7187A3F@autox.team.net>

So THAT explains why every time I came to the grid, they didn't have 
my car on the grid sheets!  I had that consistently in the Motrah 
events (probably because I was hidden in the 3cp, 4, 5 group), but at 
the end that happened for the race in my "normal" group too.  I 
always got times on the result sheet, though.

Jeff, I really enjoyed racing with you.  You are a consistent, and 
safe but aggressive VINTAGE driver.

- Tony

At 02:35 PM 5/29/2007, Jeff Johnk wrote:
>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been 
> circulating, that
>is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. This
>is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
>  it was $20.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:15:01 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>
References: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>
	<000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>
Message-ID: <20070530121307.B0236187A6F@autox.team.net>

I had a PVR with a hard drive that I tried using for recording.  I 
had similar luck.  I took it back and replaced it with a DV Camcorder 
(Sony).  That one works flawlessly.  From what I understand, you 
either need a solid state device (uses big SD card instead of hard 
drive), or something that uses tape - the units that record to hard 
drive or DVD are reputed to have problems with vibration.

I use a lipstick camera that feeds into the camcorder.  If you record 
with the camcorder directly (no external camera), I've found that a 
really solid mount helps reduce (but not eliminate) camera shake.

Another potential to think about: I've seen high powered ignition 
system kill camcorders.  If you've got the camera mounted to the 
front of the car, it's possible that the ignition noise when you rev 
it up has a detrimental effect.

- Tony Drews

At 06:31 PM 5/29/2007, Don Carter wrote:
>Bill,
>Thanks for the camera info.  Unfortunately, I got maybe 5 times this amount
>invested in a Cannon digital with a hard drive that plays beautiful with
>direct connection to my TV and digital projector.  The problem is that it
>keeps turning itself off after a few seconds into an autocross.  I have it
>mounted on my bumper support on the passenger side of the car with regular
>hard tripod mounting system.  (I wanted to be safe you know).  Do you think
>vibration is the culprit here?  It runs great as long as I'm holding it. It
>was really embarrassing at our regional event when I thought my first
>capture of my first run from my low slung mounted bumper camera would show
>how exciting the almost 1 mile long autocross was....but alas...it recorded
>only my take off.  My old analog Sony with a super8 tape recorded an
>autocross better.  This Cannon is light and takes great movies and stills.
>Do you think I need to mount it in foam and duct tape it to the bumper?
>
>Don W. Carter, AIA
>Carter Design Associates
>6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
>Houston, Texas 77057
>(713) 529-2288 Telephone
>(713) 789-2330 Fax
>don at carterdesignassociates.com

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed May 30 06:52:36 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Shirts and Power Vented Helmets
Message-ID: <001e01c7a2b9$66841490$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone have any experience with these? after just spending a hot, sunny
weekend at the track in a dark green coupe, I am very interested in the power
vented helmets hooked up to cold air.  I think if my head is cool the rest of
me will be comfortable, and I don't like the idea of the water shirt under a
nomex suit.  What's in those "coolers" - is it an air to water heat exchanger,
or just air getting drawn over ice water?  Baffles? Could I make one?
Feedback much appreciated!

From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 08:15:13 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motrah 007 results
Message-ID: <20070530141325.2AE95187AB7@autox.team.net>

Race results from the Motrah weekend have been posted to the SVRA website.

http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument

- Tony

From mattspit at att.net  Wed May 30 14:19:23 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:19:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] advice on selling spitfire
Message-ID: <053020072019.19223.465DDC4B00096DB500004B1721603763169B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

I have a 1974? square tail 1500 spitfire    SCCA FP
I am past my prime and the car needs a new driver.
Selling car, trailer, tow car, parts, etc.
I am going to run an add in Sports car and the Houston SCCA newletter 
Is there an on line site that would be good to list it in.
any other sugestions appreciated.

Thanks
Matt Matthews

From deanesr at uncw.edu  Wed May 30 14:44:12 2007
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] test
Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C8@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Message delivery

From deanesr at uncw.edu  Wed May 30 14:50:45 2007
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:50:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Gold Cup Races
Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C9@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Is anyone going to the Gold Cup Races in June that has an (1) extra pit
pass, will be there from Thursday till Sunday night, will help with what
ever is needed, want have my "4" ready for the race but want to help
where needed.

From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 30 20:29:11 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VIR Gold Cup Races
In-Reply-To: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C9@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>
References: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C9@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>
Message-ID: <D409D276-6F88-4C47-9054-E4E11B537940@bnj.com>

I'll have extra spots Robert, unless they require Sam the Gay Dog to  
sign up. I suspect if you just give them my name you can claim an  
empty slot. Its highly unlikely that I'll remember to put you on the  
list--things that people tell me fifteen minutes before are usually  
lost forever in the vacuum in my head.
Bill Babcock
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On May 30, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Deanes, Robert wrote:

> Is anyone going to the Gold Cup Races in June that has an (1) extra  
> pit
> pass, will be there from Thursday till Sunday night, will help with  
> what
> ever is needed, want have my "4" ready for the race but want to help
> where needed.
> _______________________________________________
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed May 30 20:32:53 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:32:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c7a32b$fdd20830$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>

I'm in.  If the car is done by 2008!  Sorry, at this time, I'm not able to 
help organize.  When the time gets closer is another story.

Todd Redmond


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner 
Cup..Decision Time!!!


> List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
>
> There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides 
> and
> those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
> So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
> A few points of information:
>
> The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
> Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
> SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
>
> Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
> the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
> OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it. 
> Thanks!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>   </HTML>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 05:27:43 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
	<20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net>
	<003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>

Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of 
23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which 
takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for 
the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community 
who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.


At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>Tony/Jack,
>
>We need dates.
>
>Jack
>Just SE of Seattle
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>
>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>
>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>still
> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
> >and Tony?
> >So, who else is coming...
> >
> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
> >
> >
> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett
> >
> >
> >
> >************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
> >_______________________________________________
> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> >Fot mailing list
> >Fot at autox.team.net
> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>_______________________________________________
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 31 07:55:14 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com><20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net><003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>

Jack, can you extend your visit a couple of days?  One of the bigger events 
on the West Coast is the weekend of the 29th through the 1st, the Pacific NW 
Historic races http://www.sovren.org/ .  Most of us TR guys will be getting 
ready and going to the event as well as the club Tyee Triumph 
http://www.tyeetriumph.org/, is usually well represented at this race.
The feature event is Trans Am cars which is great fun as well(bring your 
earplugs).
Hope to see you when you're here and maybe you can make the event.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib at att.net>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH


> Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
> 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
> takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
> the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
> who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>>Tony/Jack,
>>
>>We need dates.
>>
>>Jack
>>Just SE of Seattle
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>
>>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>
>>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>>still
>> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>> >and Tony?
>> >So, who else is coming...
>> >
>> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to 
>> >Hallett
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >************************************** See what's free at
>>http://www.aol.com.
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> >
>> >Fot mailing list
>> >Fot at autox.team.net
>> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>>_______________________________________________
>>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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>>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 31 08:23:12 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:23:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <D239AFF1-659E-4308-9F6E-6D3D1A9D6459@bnj.com>

I was just looking at those dates again. You're going to be there  
during the Pacific NW Historics!!  You and Tony should bring your  
cars and do the race. It's at Pacific Raceways in Kent which is very  
close to Federal Way. It's a big weekend and all the Triumph guys  
will be there. You'd love Pacific Raceway--it's tricky and fun.  Lots  
of elevation changes, compound turns, a long sweeper called Big Indy.  
One of my favorite tracks.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 31, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
> 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
> takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
> the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
> who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>> Tony/Jack,
>>
>> We need dates.
>>
>> Jack
>> Just SE of Seattle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Tony Drews
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>
>> Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>> overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>
>> Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>
>> - Tony
>>
>> At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest  
>>> and east
>>> Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope  
>>> Dennis is
>> still
>>> coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>>> and Tony?
>>> So, who else is coming...
>>>
>>> Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than  
>>> to Hallett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 09:06:25 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
	<20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net>
	<003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <200705311506.l4VF6VFo137710@ns3.geneseo.net>

Thanks - we can make the 29th but our return planes are all scheduled 
on the 30th. I tried to get a better schedule on the rental place to 
allow us this weekend in Seattle but coulnd't quite pull it off.

At 08:55 AM 5/31/2007, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>Jack, can you extend your visit a couple of days?  One of the bigger 
>events on the West Coast is the weekend of the 29th through the 1st, 
>the Pacific NW Historic races http://www.sovren.org/ .  Most of us 
>TR guys will be getting ready and going to the event as well as the 
>club Tyee Triumph http://www.tyeetriumph.org/, is usually well 
>represented at this race.
>The feature event is Trans Am cars which is great fun as well(bring 
>your earplugs).
>Hope to see you when you're here and maybe you can make the event.
>Charly Mitchel
>TR6 #44
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
>To: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib at att.net>; "'Tony Drews'" 
><tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>
>
>>Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
>>23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
>>takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
>>the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
>>who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>>
>>
>>At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>>>Tony/Jack,
>>>
>>>We need dates.
>>>
>>>Jack
>>>Just SE of Seattle
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>>
>>>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>>>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>>
>>>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>>
>>>- Tony
>>>
>>>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>>> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>>>still
>>> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>>> >and Tony?
>>> >So, who else is coming...
>>> >
>>> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than 
>>> to >Hallett
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >************************************** See what's free at
>>>http://www.aol.com.
>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> >
>>> >Fot mailing list
>>> >Fot at autox.team.net
>>> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
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>>
>>uncle jack
>>
>>
>>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu May 31 08:43:58 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:43:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com><20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net><003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion><200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Message-ID: <009c01c7a392$1f7a9b30$280fc548@RWKastner>

That track is just fantastic and I would choose it over Laguna Seca any day.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Jack W. Drews
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH


  I was just looking at those dates again. You're going to be there
  during the Pacific NW Historics!!  You and Tony should bring your
  cars and do the race. It's at Pacific Raceways in Kent which is very
  close to Federal Way. It's a big weekend and all the Triumph guys
  will be there. You'd love Pacific Raceway--it's tricky and fun.  Lots
  of elevation changes, compound turns, a long sweeper called Big Indy.
  One of my favorite tracks.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
  bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

  You can subscribe to my Blogs
  Via email:
  All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
  http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
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  On May 31, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

  > Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
  > 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
  > takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
  > the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
  > who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
  >
  >
  > At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
  >> Tony/Jack,
  >>
  >> We need dates.
  >>
  >> Jack
  >> Just SE of Seattle
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-
  >> bounces at autox.team.net] On
  >> Behalf Of Tony Drews
  >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
  >> To: fot at autox.team.net
  >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
  >>
  >> Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
  >> overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
  >>
  >> Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
  >>
  >> - Tony
  >>
  >> At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
  >>> Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest
  >>> and east
  >>> Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope
  >>> Dennis is
  >> still
  >>> coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
  >>> and Tony?
  >>> So, who else is coming...
  >>>
  >>> Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than
  >>> to Hallett
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu May 31 09:57:22 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:57:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
References: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<20070530120037.562E0187A0A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c7a39c$6082a9b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

Tony,

I have all my new tappets checked by Steve of Integral Cams. His minimum 
acceptable Rockwell is 58. With that standard, I have had no full set of 8 
pass, including the ones with the "additional hole in the side". I believe 
his current charge for this service is $6 per lifter, including polishing to 
remove the "dimple". Good insurance, regardless of the tappet supplier.

Ed Woods 

From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 10:11:17 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <003c01c7a32b$fdd20830$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>
Message-ID: <949399.48444.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Having cut my teeth on Northern California Tracks and a few Colorado tracks I finally did Watkins Glen 3 weeks ago for the first time. For those that have Watkins "on their list" KEEP IT THERE!!!!
   
  It is extremely exciting and fun - technically challenging, in a high speed way, with the best esses I have ever experienced. With up-hill traction - floor it just before the second apex and drift through the third onto the back straight flat-out WAHOOOOO!!! My Vintage Mustang hit the rev limiter half way down the both straights with 350s ratio rear end (no overdrive) so gear tall. My car never saw second gear after the pits although I redline is set to 6k to favor a stock crank. 
   
  That's the bad news; I heard from a sprite racer in the pits that some smaller car drivers like tighter tracks better. The setting is fabulous, the track is in relatively good condition and run as a first class operation. There are some cement repairs that get your attention if you are on the edge but its easy to see where the line is...
   
  I live in Ithaca 20 minutes away and would love to see you all come out here, feel free to contact me if you want information on the area. 
   
  BTW, I got my TR3 out in the upstate spring and am loving life - great touring here and lots to see. 
   
  Thanks so much to all that assisted me in my quest to breath life back into the old girl. I picked my 75 yr old mother up at the airport in it with the gasket sealer still drying. She bought it 2 yrs old in '59 and got more 1st place trophys racing "powder puff" than my dad did back in the day. Always a point of contention...
   
  Thanks again,
   
  Mark 

       
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu May 31 10:33:23 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:33:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
Message-ID: <053120071633.20997.465EF8D300014774000052052213539653CE08019D099C@comcast.net>

Joe, Todd and FoT list,

I'm definitely in for the 2008 event.  Will also be arriving trackside early for this year's Zippo with the Spitfire, so if there's interest in FOT paddocking together this year, let me know what areas are prefered and I'll try to get there first.  Garages are way too expensive for me (I'd rather buy a new set of Hoosiers!).

Steve Groh
63 Spitfire
SVRA 393

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
> I'm in.  If the car is done by 2008!  Sorry, at this time, I'm not able to 
> help organize.  When the time gets closer is another story.
> 
> Todd Redmond
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:46 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner 
> Cup..Decision Time!!!
> 
> 
> > List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
> >
> > There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides 
> > and
> > those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
> >
> > So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
> >
> > A few points of information:
> >
> > The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
> >
> > Formula 500 is also a featured race.
> >
> > SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
> > the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
> >
> > OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it. 
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu May 31 10:42:27 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:42:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <949399.48444.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV13AF95D76D52AE6C2CB619B72D0@phx.gbl>

Mark, we'll be thinking of ya' during this weekend's Trans Am race in Pueblo.
Last count shows we've 137 cars all tolled.  Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mark eginton<mailto:dobrosailor at yahoo.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
Cup..Decision Time!!!


  Having cut my teeth on Northern California Tracks and a few Colorado tracks
I finally did Watkins Glen 3 weeks ago for the first time. For those that have
Watkins "on their list" KEEP IT THERE!!!!

    It is extremely exciting and fun - technically challenging, in a high
speed way, with the best esses I have ever experienced. With up-hill traction
- floor it just before the second apex and drift through the third onto the
back straight flat-out WAHOOOOO!!! My Vintage Mustang hit the rev limiter half
way down the both straights with 350s ratio rear end (no overdrive) so gear
tall. My car never saw second gear after the pits although I redline is set to
6k to favor a stock crank.

    That's the bad news; I heard from a sprite racer in the pits that some
smaller car drivers like tighter tracks better. The setting is fabulous, the
track is in relatively good condition and run as a first class operation.
There are some cement repairs that get your attention if you are on the edge
but its easy to see where the line is...

    I live in Ithaca 20 minutes away and would love to see you all come out
here, feel free to contact me if you want information on the area.

    BTW, I got my TR3 out in the upstate spring and am loving life - great
touring here and lots to see.

    Thanks so much to all that assisted me in my quest to breath life back
into the old girl. I picked my 75 yr old mother up at the airport in it with
the gasket sealer still drying. She bought it 2 yrs old in '59 and got more
1st place trophys racing "powder puff" than my dad did back in the day. Always
a point of contention...

    Thanks again,

    Mark


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From scypher at usa.com  Thu May 31 11:10:36 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Advice on Selling Spitfire
Message-ID: <20070531171037.39EA8478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

The prod car site, http://prodracing.com/prodcar/index.php is probably
the best place to start, as well as GrassRoots motor sports magazine
classified. Selfishly, however,I may have found a buyer for my other
spitfire chassis and some spares to a gentlemen who wants to race a
vintage 1500, so now I have room again.  Send me an email at
scypher at usa.com, and we can talk about what you have, I may be
interested. Thanks-Scott

From AA00727 at aol.com  Thu May 31 19:00:56 2007
From: AA00727 at aol.com (AA00727 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:00:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR 3  Emergency Brake Handle
Message-ID: <d36.90ef40c.3390c9c8@aol.com>

Any TR-3 racers have an Emergency Brake handle laying around that is  in good 
shape? I'm restoring a TR for the street.
 Gary Blihovde  



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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 19:25:42 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
Message-ID: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>

Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening 
June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel 
arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get 
the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for 
our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?

uncle jack 



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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 31 20:56:51 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
References: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <02fc01c7a3f8$83c08e40$0502a8c0@desktop>

We can almost promise no rain that weekend.  It hardly ever rains the 4th 
holiday weekend, except when it does.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!


> Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening
> June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel
> arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get
> the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for
> our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From jibjib at att.net  Thu May 31 22:56:11 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <00fd01c7a409$2d9d8f70$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

> Can you promise that it won't rain?

Not until the 5th of July. . . . 

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:26 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!

Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening 
June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel 
arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get 
the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for 
our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?

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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 06:48:20 2007
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor
In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <540250.78765.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, guys, that works really well. I did that for years with my Spitfire racecar and had no problems. Cheers, Ed.

riverside <riverside at cedar-rapids.net> wrote:  I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that
dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any
kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting
was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned
off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign
switch thrown to the on position.
Anybody ever try that?
Henry's getting pretty close!!

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" 

To: "FOT" 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor


> Dear Listers,
>
> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical
> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: -
>
> a) Initial timing used
>
> b) Total mechanical advance used
>
> c) What RPM total advance is achieved
>
>
>
> Thank you for your assistance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
> TR-4
>
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue May  1 09:39:07 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:39:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
Message-ID: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>

I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom is
there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat treating,
quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as any
experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue May  1 09:58:28 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

And what's the right hardness for lifters/tappets/cam followers?  Is
70RC too hard, just right?

When I bought a set of Spitfire lifters recently from APT, they told me
that they're hardness testing each batch they get and that the batch out
of which I bought a set were at 70 or so  (I can't recall specifically,
70..71...whatever it takes...)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:39 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
Importance: Low

I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but
seldom is there any mention of technical specification, such as
hardness, heat treating, quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have
received from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as
any experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May  1 13:40:36 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:40:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
References: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8C95A3FB9A13C5C-1BAC-1D8A@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com>

Have your old ones re-surfaced.  Hardness should be around HRC 58 minimum, and there is plenty of stock to re-grind the face, as long as the grinder doesn't get carried away.  Usually around $3 per lifter from a reputable cam grinder.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire Racer
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers


I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom is
there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat treating,
quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as any
experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  1 14:07:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:07:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <194B3127-F882-4570-9686-3AF68ACC8A63@bnj.com>

I'm not a metallurgist, and I don't even play one on TV, but I don't  
think there's an upper limit for how hard you'd like these things to  
be other than the potential for them shattering. My ceramic lifters  
are harder than you can probably make steel, and they have marvelous  
wear characteristics--both for the lifters and the cam.

Now if I could just remember who I got them from. They are absurdly  
expensive, but I'd have to say worth it so far. No detectable wear on  
either the lifters or the cam after two hard seasons. I've never seen  
that before. There's always some wear or some surface cracking.
Bill Babcock
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On May 1, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> And what's the right hardness for lifters/tappets/cam followers?  Is
> 70RC too hard, just right?
>
> When I bought a set of Spitfire lifters recently from APT, they  
> told me
> that they're hardness testing each batch they get and that the  
> batch out
> of which I bought a set were at 70 or so  (I can't recall  
> specifically,
> 70..71...whatever it takes...)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [BULK] [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
> Importance: Low
>
> I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).
>
> Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.
>
> Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but
> seldom is there any mention of technical specification, such as
> hardness, heat treating, quality of original material...
>
> This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)
>
> Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.
>
> British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
> (Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)
>
> Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12
>
> Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)
>
> Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)
>
> Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12
>
> Rimmers: $84/set 12
>
> Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.
>
> The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12
>
> Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.
>
> My favorites at the moment are:
>
> Chris Witor's
> Goodparts'
> BPNW's
>
> Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have
> received from them, coupled with their product knowlege.
>
> I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as  
> well as
> any experiences with various cam followers fitted?
>
> Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lion
>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  1 18:16:29 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] groov-O-matic
Message-ID: <451275.10428.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - today the box from ISKYracing cams finally arrived UPS.  I was very excited!
  My groov-O-matic was finally here.  I had decided awhile ago that I was going to O-ring my own piston liners for my next engine build.  So over the course of the last couple of weeks I put an old race engine up on the stand and took it apart.  I've been measuring, honeing, cleaning, thinking about chevy rods, making trips to the machine shop, but really wanting to make some grooves.  I open the box this afternoon only to find no groov-O-matic, but instead some other Isky part with a very similar stock number.  Wow - did I freak.  A call to Isky eventually got me to Ron Iskenderian and the promise of a Friday groov-O-matic and a free T-shirt shipment via UPS.  Life in a small midwestern town!  Whew!
   
  I would like some help from the group on a more important issue - How sloppy can we run these 87mm piston liners.  Tell me - how much do you guys take off of these liners in a rebuild situation. 4 thou too much?  What's your take?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May  1 20:09:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:09:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Shirts
Message-ID: <cf8.cb8d733.33694cbd@cs.com>

FoT,

The response so far on FoT T-Shirts is sufficient to proceed.  But we need 
some more to make it worth Ted's time.

One observation is that it seems to be the usual suspects ordering these and 
involved.

There are over 250 folks on this list. There are no requirements for anyone 
to buy a T-shirt, but it is something that you can be proud of.

No hard sell here. It doesnt benefit me in anyway. And Ted has kicked back 
some cash to the FoT Fund so it's not a big moneymaker for him.

Marty Sukey may be the coordinator for shirt orders, but I dont think I have 
cleared that with him, yet. He is also looking after MOTRAH-007 shirts and 
promoting the Autocross at MOTRAH-007.  seems pretty busy, but there is no real 
deadline set on this effort.

Regards,

Joe (A) 



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May  1 20:43:32 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Stuff
Message-ID: <BAY123-F57C2DBF61A872479CFAC8BA420@phx.gbl>

Alright, since Joe outed me I might as well fess up. I volunteered to give 
Kermit a helping hand with the MOTRAH sales goodies. There are some neat 
Grill Badges, Posters and t-shirts made up for this years MOTRAH event. I 
believe I will have a table or something set up at the dinner friday night 
to pass out all the pre-ordered stuff. So you guys order something so I will 
have something to do other than sit there and drink beer. The server will 
probably strip off all the attachments about the products so if you are at 
all interested email me direct and i will email you back a pdf file. Also 
the Saturday autocross is coming together nicely. Not a real big field yet 
so there should be a bunch of runs available to us. If you have not signed 
up and are interested email me and i can get you the registration info. The 
autox is open to Triumph, Austin Healey and Morgans only. Any car from stock 
to full race.

And on the FOT t-shirts, aw what the hell, if Ted will put up with me again 
I would be happy to coordinate the order.

Marty Sukey



We have MOTRAH 007 event posters
18 X 28 inches printed on high quality stock.
And now, MOTRAH 007 T shirts
If you would like to order any of our memorabilia items in advance you can
open the attached PDF or print the last page of this email, fill in the
appropriate blanks, and

send with your check to:

       MOTRAH 007 Headquarters, 5826 Queens Cove, Lisle IL 60532

Please send the following items:

Motrah Grill badge(s)               @ $60.00 X___________= $___________

Motrah Poster(s)                       @ $10.00 X__________ = $___________

Motrah Tee Shirt(s) Small         @ $15.00 X__________ = $___________


                                Medium     @ $15.00 X__________ =
$___________


                                 Large         @ $15.00 X__________ =
$___________



                                         X Large      @ $15.00 X__________ =
$___________



                                 XX Large    @ $17.00 X__________ =
$___________


Shipping                                      @  5.00 x         1
= $___________

No shipping, picking up at track.
____________



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$____________



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From john at race-dogs.com  Tue May  1 21:14:06 2007
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
References: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
	<8C95A3FB9A13C5C-1BAC-1D8A@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c78c67$f1d07880$1f01a8c0@jawsxp>

I've used the BPNW ones and never had a issue- The ones I've gotten from 
them have also been drilled and hardened-
Don't know if they still carry those-
Will never use a set of Kent ones again!!
Good luck-

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP3
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chasgee at aol.com>
To: <Guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers


> Have your old ones re-surfaced.  Hardness should be around HRC 58 minimum, 
> and there is plenty of stock to re-grind the face, as long as the grinder 
> doesn't get carried away.  Usually around $3 per lifter from a reputable 
> cam grinder.
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire Racer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 8:39 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
>
>
> I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).
>
> Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.
>
> Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom 
> is
> there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat 
> treating,
> quality of original material...
>
> This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)
>
> Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.
>
> British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
> (Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)
>
> Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12
>
> Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)
>
> Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)
>
> Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12
>
> Rimmers: $84/set 12
>
> Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.
>
> The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12
>
> Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.
>
> My favorites at the moment are:
>
> Chris Witor's
> Goodparts'
> BPNW's
>
> Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
> from them, coupled with their product knowlege.
>
> I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as 
> any
> experiences with various cam followers fitted?
>
> Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lion
>
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> HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
> ts.com/user/vitesse1963</A>
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From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue May  1 21:46:11 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:46:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire J Type OD parts needed.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1178042401.2613.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c78c6c$6d4280e0$6401a8c0@Guinan>

If anyone has a J-Type OD from a Spitfire that is otherwise useless -
internally trashed, broken case or something - I have a friend in Eastern
Iowa that is looking for some parts that did not come with a unit he
purchased.  Let me know your price, and I'll pass the info along.  Needed
parts;

UKC3600 - Top Cover
UKC2939 - Tower Assembly
TKC1305 - End Plate Cover
UKC2892 - Selector Shaft to Tower 
All the Speedo Drive and Cable parts.  

Thanks in advance...

Joe Guinan
751 Day Drive
Fremont, NE 68025
Home Phone - 402-727-8011
joeg at neb.rr.com


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May  1 22:04:11 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] H6 Dashpots
Message-ID: <005f01c78c6e$f0dc0230$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

While preping my TR4 for the next race, I noticed that the threads on the carb
dashpot are virtually worn smooth.  Obviously, the damper barely stays in
place.  Does anyone have a spare dashpot with threads they could part with?

One other item I found is that the tips of the dampers where the "C" washer
attaches, were almost completely worn away so that the washers fell off when I
lifted the dampers out of the dashpots.  New dampers are on order.

Thanks,

Gary
1962 TR4
1969 TR6


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May  2 06:23:30 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:23:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>

Marty Sukey has agreed to coordinate FOT Shirt Order. On top of other FoT 
Volunteerism.

Marty's E-mail is   trmarty at hotmail.com

I have a list of folks interested that I will forward to Marty, but it would 
be good to confirm with him, directly, on size and quantity and address.

Price needs to quoted. There could be as many as 50 ordered and this might 
impact the price. Ted can you give me a quote on that basis?

Thanks Marty & Ted!

Joe Alexander

BTW, You new guys need to wear the FoT 'coat of arms' as presented by Greg 
Petrolati on this quality T-Shirt.  Be part of the group.   </HTML>


From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Wed May  2 07:55:30 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:55:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FoT Shirts
Message-ID: <050220071355.24291.463898520003F8B100005EE32207021053CE08019D099C@comcast.net>

Joe/Marty/Ted,

Count me in for 2

Steve Groh
SVRA #393 63 Spitfire
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> FoT,
> 
> The response so far on FoT T-Shirts is sufficient to proceed.  But we need 
> some more to make it worth Ted's time.
> 
> One observation is that it seems to be the usual suspects ordering these and 
> involved.
> 
> There are over 250 folks on this list. There are no requirements for anyone 
> to buy a T-shirt, but it is something that you can be proud of.
> 
> No hard sell here. It doesnt benefit me in anyway. And Ted has kicked back 
> some cash to the FoT Fund so it's not a big moneymaker for him.
> 
> Marty Sukey may be the coordinator for shirt orders, but I dont think I have 
> cleared that with him, yet. He is also looking after MOTRAH-007 shirts and 
> promoting the Autocross at MOTRAH-007.  seems pretty busy, but there is no real 
> deadline set on this effort.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Joe (A) 
> 
> 
> 
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 10:30:30 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:30:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>
References: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>
Message-ID: <E65522D2-00FE-425D-88F2-A97A9159F21D@bnj.com>

As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of  
them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a  
designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I  
like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color  
other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a  
lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can  
get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey  
that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll  
have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and  
sure she'll appreciate it.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

You can subscribe to my Blogs
Via email:
All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.  
http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? 
Sub=168304

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On May 2, 2007, at 5:23 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Marty Sukey has agreed to coordinate FOT Shirt Order. On top of  
> other FoT
> Volunteerism.
>
> Marty's E-mail is   trmarty at hotmail.com
>
> I have a list of folks interested that I will forward to Marty, but  
> it would
> be good to confirm with him, directly, on size and quantity and  
> address.
>
> Price needs to quoted. There could be as many as 50 ordered and  
> this might
> impact the price. Ted can you give me a quote on that basis?
>
> Thanks Marty & Ted!
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> BTW, You new guys need to wear the FoT 'coat of arms' as presented  
> by Greg
> Petrolati on this quality T-Shirt.  Be part of the group.   </HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed May  2 10:56:31 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:56:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/02/2007 11:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of  
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a  
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I  
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color  
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a  
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can  
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey  
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll  
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and  
> sure she'll appreciate it.
> 

Not only that...buying one for the wife in an XL size makes sense as well.  
Oversized tee shirts make super 'Baby Doll' pajamas...and that's vintage 
terminology.  XL is a better size for pajamas.  More comfortable.  Easy to get out 
of...and the baggier size leaves more to the imagination.  At some point in 
life that becomes critical.   

I look terrible in Tee Shirts, so most of mine go to the wife...who looks 
great in them.  And when she gets up and moves around the bedroom, it looks like 
a couple of cats fighting in a burlap bag.  Yeah...get the XL for the wife.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From JReed at wilson.com  Wed May  2 11:11:40 2007
From: JReed at wilson.com (JReed at wilson.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OF00AF1907.793F323C-ON862572CF.005DEB45-882572CF.0069000C@wilson.com>

Thanks for the mental image I have.....I laughed out load!





Regards,
John Reed
Staff Photographer
Wilson Sporting Goods Co.
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Sent by: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
05/02/07 09:56 AM

To
billb at bnj.com, N197TR4 at cs.com
cc
fot at autox.team.net
Subject
Re: [Fot] (no subject)






In a message dated 05/02/2007 11:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of 
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a 
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I 
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color 
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a 
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can 
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey 
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll 
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and 
> sure she'll appreciate it.
> 

Not only that...buying one for the wife in an XL size makes sense as well. 
 
Oversized tee shirts make super 'Baby Doll' pajamas...and that's vintage 
terminology.  XL is a better size for pajamas.  More comfortable.  Easy to 
get out 
of...and the baggier size leaves more to the imagination.  At some point 
in 
life that becomes critical. 

I look terrible in Tee Shirts, so most of mine go to the wife...who looks 
great in them.  And when she gets up and moves around the bedroom, it 
looks like 
a couple of cats fighting in a burlap bag.  Yeah...get the XL for the 
wife.

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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 12:56:20 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:56:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
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Sometimes Billy you just scare me.
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On May 2, 2007, at 9:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

>
> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and
> sure she'll appreciate it.


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 15:57:45 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders
Message-ID: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>

Hoooooooooooold on. No orders happening yet. Let me get a proposal put 
together and get back to the group and then I can start taking orders.


Thanks,
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May  2 17:27:54 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 01:27:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] test
References: <BAY130-F290242E7990D74FA01A544A55B0@phx.gbl>
	<46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com>
	<003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com>
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Hi Bill,

I've checked with my ISP and my mail boxes....all are ready and prepared to
receive FOT mails. I've welcomed the FOT address to my mail boxes so all
should be able to get mails from FOT.

Now...how to make FOT to send me mails?

Cheers
Chris

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  I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst possible
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  On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, <triumph_marx at freenet.de> wrote:


    More than one month off list.


    Anyone who can read this?
    Used my old address maybe the old one is better?


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 19:43:38 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Crew
Message-ID: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>

Jason and I are heading to Road America for the MOTRAH event. If anybody has 
a couple of unused crew slots they want to sell us shoot me an email.

Marty Sukey

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From klynch7589 at aol.com  Wed May  2 19:49:58 2007
From: klynch7589 at aol.com (klynch7589 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:49:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>
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Understand that completely ... no rush here.
 
Kevin 
 
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Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders


Hoooooooooooold on. No orders happening yet. Let me get a proposal put 
together and get back to the group and then I can start taking orders.


Thanks,
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From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Wed May  2 19:57:43 2007
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:57:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
Message-ID: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>

Amici
 
    Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until the last 
several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the engine 
seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to when this 
happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start, it suddenly 
start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
 
    Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not get it to 
fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not  starting; so we 
towed it over today after it did not start and it started right  away. The garage 
says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be 
speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had similar  problems or 
suggestions on the most probably cause. 
 
Cary
 



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From koblinger at verizon.net  Wed May  2 21:22:39 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
Message-ID: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>

Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.

Cheers,
Kurt O.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed May  2 21:30:03 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:30:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
References: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000701c78d33$569b1100$0301000a@Chowdown>

I'll be up there with my TR3B

~Steve
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow


> Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
> weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
> some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kurt O.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 21:36:42 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Crew
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A4BFA66D-B1BF-4F17-98AC-3093D0083BD4@bnj.com>

Hey Marty,
As far as I know I'll be there by myself. Bill Hart and John James  
are also coming from the Northwest and I suspect their crew will  
consist of Tony Garmey and not much else. I could be wrong. But at  
the very least you can have all my crew slots.
Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 6:43 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Jason and I are heading to Road America for the MOTRAH event. If  
> anybody has
> a couple of unused crew slots they want to sell us shoot me an email.
>
> Marty Sukey
>
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From chasgee at aol.com  Wed May  2 22:50:03 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
In-Reply-To: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
References: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8C95B55A59D2D0B-106C-9879@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>

I'll be there!  Come look us Triumph guys up, should be at the NW corner of the pits.  Should be a bunch of us.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire Racer 
 
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From: koblinger at verizon.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow


Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.

Cheers,
Kurt O.
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed May  2 23:30:08 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Coolest Triumphest Poster EVER
Message-ID: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Visit the Triumphest 2007 website and click on the thumbnail of the 
poster. It's on the left hand side in the middle next to the planned events.

We are looking at printing these up to sale for Triumhpest.  Probably 
a poster every TR lover should have on the Garage wall.  "Bond, James 
Bond", Bond Girls and TR's!

http://www.triumphest.com

The copy that I put on the website is only 600 pixels wide.  The 
original HiRez that we will be making posters of is over 1,000 pixels 
wide.  Should make for some very nice posters.


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May  2 23:46:58 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:46:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Coolest Triumphest Poster EVER
In-Reply-To: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <46397752.5010204@bradakis.com>

I'll take two!

You know, I bet my recently revived, clapped out hulk of a Spitfire
might be in good enough shape to make it to Laughlin by October.
Or I might have a 7, or another Spit, or ....

I've only been meaning to attend Triumphest for the last bazillion
years or so.

mjb.


From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 23:39:21 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:39:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
In-Reply-To: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
References: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0C2E1723-1792-45DE-B63F-3F0D17156F11@bnj.com>

I'd look at the fuel pump in the tank. They can get gunked up or  
start failing to rotate and then suddenly kick in. Pain in the ass to  
replace sometimes, but the part is relatively cheap.
Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote:

> Amici
>
>     Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until  
> the last
> several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the  
> engine
> seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to  
> when this
> happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start,  
> it suddenly
> start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
>
>     Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not  
> get it to
> fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not   
> starting; so we
> towed it over today after it did not start and it started right   
> away. The garage
> says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be
> speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had  
> similar  problems or
> suggestions on the most probably cause.
>
> Cary
>
>
>
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Thu May  3 01:44:53 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
Message-ID: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with 
some artillery hard mounted to the roof?

http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu May  3 06:39:36 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
In-Reply-To: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>

How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those "drivers" who 
follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?

Allen

On May 3, 2007, at 2:44 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with
> some artillery hard mounted to the roof?
>
> http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu May  3 07:07:07 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:07:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s
Message-ID: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>

FoT   IMPORTANT!

Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts of any of the 12 Hours of 
Sebring TR4s?

Even rumors.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Thu May  3 08:01:21 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
References: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
	<f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003701c78d8b$884bfb80$0200a8c0@Desktop>

30 feet you sore don't drive in the mid Atlantic area ( its less)
Craig


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From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
Cc: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?


> How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those "drivers" who 
> follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?
> 
> Allen
> 
> On May 3, 2007, at 2:44 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
> 
>> Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with
>> some artillery hard mounted to the roof?
>>
>> http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/
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>>
> A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
> 1971 TR6  - Number 6
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May  3 09:18:06 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:18:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
References: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
	<0C2E1723-1792-45DE-B63F-3F0D17156F11@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <027d01c78d96$40a69be0$1a02a8c0@workstation3>

We had a similar problem in a van and it was a loose wire on the fuel pump,
the forward one.  It seems it has 3 fuel pumps, one in each tank and a main.
In another van we had a problem where the van would start and not run.  If
you held the rpm's up after it started it would be good once it warmed up.
We had to wait until the check again light came on to register a code.  it
was easy after that, a $20 part.  There are about 40 $20 parts(sensors) on
this motor.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: <Group44TR7 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??


> I'd look at the fuel pump in the tank. They can get gunked up or
> start failing to rotate and then suddenly kick in. Pain in the ass to
> replace sometimes, but the part is relatively cheap.
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> Sub=168304
>
> or Via RSS
> Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
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>
>
>
> On May 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Amici
> >
> >     Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until
> > the last
> > several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the
> > engine
> > seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to
> > when this
> > happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start,
> > it suddenly
> > start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
> >
> >     Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not
> > get it to
> > fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not
> > starting; so we
> > towed it over today after it did not start and it started right
> > away. The garage
> > says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be
> > speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had
> > similar  problems or
> > suggestions on the most probably cause.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** See what's free at http://
> > www.aol.com.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
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From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 09:16:00 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:16:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto
In-Reply-To: <004e01c78b8c$1cefd330$bf524c0c@user90890nvpgh>
Message-ID: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>

Amici,
>
>  The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a
>Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair.
>The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable,
>Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on
>key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on
>magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto,
>is there any advance built into it? Just wondering.
>
>Bill
>Triumph Rescue

I don't know if this will help, but:

If it's like an aircraft magneto, there is no advance in it. You static-time 
an aircraft magneto to a given degree before TDC and it fires there every 
time. The spark event doesn't change.

There is a spring-mechanical coupling device (called an impulse coupling) 
between the mag and the drive gear that retards the spark until TDC during 
starting. It disengages once the engine starts and the mag fires at the 
setting BTDC. Don't know if car mags have impulse couplings.

Aircraft engines run in a very small RPM band, so car mags might be 
different.

John


From billb at bnj.com  Thu May  3 09:54:53 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <72BAF8E4-1CEA-4862-A645-180523D1777D@bnj.com>

If a car magneto has an advance mechanism it's usually very obvious  
since it generally rotates the entire housing. You can't just move  
the point base (or at least you can't if you want a good spark). The  
point opening has to be timed to the position of the rotor relative  
to the magnet, otherwise it opens when too little current is flowing  
through the coil and the voltage produced is lower.

You can get away with moving the cam around a little on a motorcycle  
magneto because it only has one or two sparks per rotation and  
therefore the magnets can be wide. The cam on a Lucas mag is a hollow  
cylinder that is eccentrically ground on the inside--the points run  
against the inside, and the spark retard mechanism manually rotates  
the cylinder in the housing. But even then the mechanism is just for  
starting and does result in a weaker spark when it's used.

All of this is a sore point for me--the magneto for a Vincent is  
always problematic because it's a 50 degree V twin. The spark is  
compromised no matter what you do and gets much weaker in at least  
one cylinder when you use the retarding mechanism--a big problem when  
you're trying to kick start a high compression 1000cc V twin (1200  
cc's in the case of my hotrodded Vincent) with a very lumpy cam and a  
very primitive quadrant style kick mechanism. I'm giving up on period- 
correct fixes and replacing the guts of my magneto with an electronic  
ignition system. I've had enough embarrassing moments starting this  
beast. Oh for an electric starter like the RTV clone motor had.

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On May 3, 2007, at 8:16 AM, John Herrera wrote:

> Amici,
>>
>>  The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a
>> Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair.
>> The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable,
>> Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on
>> key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on
>> magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto,
>> is there any advance built into it? Just wondering.
>>
>> Bill
>> Triumph Rescue
>
> I don't know if this will help, but:
>
> If it's like an aircraft magneto, there is no advance in it. You  
> static-time
> an aircraft magneto to a given degree before TDC and it fires there  
> every
> time. The spark event doesn't change.
>
> There is a spring-mechanical coupling device (called an impulse  
> coupling)
> between the mag and the drive gear that retards the spark until TDC  
> during
> starting. It disengages once the engine starts and the mag fires at  
> the
> setting BTDC. Don't know if car mags have impulse couplings.
>
> Aircraft engines run in a very small RPM band, so car mags might be
> different.
>
> John
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From RYoung at NavComTech.com  Thu May  3 12:05:15 2007
From: RYoung at NavComTech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
In-Reply-To: <f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20070503180458.BGJQ19599.mta10.adelphia.net@randall>

> How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those 
> "drivers" who follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?

Around here, if there's a whole 30' free, someone will put an BFSUV in it !

Randall


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May  3 17:58:25 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] aluminum hub availability
Message-ID: <200705032358.l43NwZxQ509784@ns3.geneseo.net>

I have persuaded Southwick to make another run of aluminum hubs. The 
price will be $565 because of the increase in price of aluminum and 
especially the bearings. If you want a set, please send a deposit 
check of $250.

Make out the check to "Southwick Machine and Design".

Send it to me at

Jack W. Drews
514 North Vail Street
Geneseo IL 61254

When the hubs are ready we will tell you, you can send the remainder, 
and the hubs will be shipped.

Thanks.

uncle jack


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From TR3A at att.net  Thu May  3 18:06:05 2007
From: TR3A at att.net (Susan and Jack)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers
Message-ID: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

.


From jibjib at att.net  Thu May  3 18:06:55 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] OBD tools
Message-ID: <01e301c78de0$213a0630$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

 

jib


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Thu May  3 22:11:36 2007
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s
In-Reply-To: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>
References: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000001c78e02$4f2c71a0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2>

If my memory serves me correctly, Fred Schmitt in Port Charlotte Fla. has
the number 42 and 43 cars. He restored the 43 car 10 or so years ago. I have
no contact info for him.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring - Kas' TR4s

FoT   IMPORTANT!

Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts of any of the 12 Hours of 
Sebring TR4s?

Even rumors.

Thanks!

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From LOddTR at aol.com  Fri May  4 10:32:44 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:32:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s - Fred Schmidt
Message-ID: <cdc.10448379.336cba2c@aol.com>

Found this on ask.com  
"
Call Fred Schmidt, in Port Charlotte, Fl. phone Number: > 941-627-6813. 
Thanks, > Phil Smith > TR6 ...



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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Fri May  4 18:15:21 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 00:15:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges
Message-ID: <20070504.171537.1570.2122377@webmail07.nyc.untd.com>

I have been invited to drive on a team for the SCCA's 24 hour race at Nelson
Ledges in August.  I have never been to Nelson Ledges (yes, I just read Bill's
blog on learning new tracks).  Does anyone have any in-car video of the track
that you could share?  Joe(B)


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri May  4 21:06:56 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 22:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] enclosed trailer setup advice
Message-ID: <f5988c193345f.463bae80@insightbb.com>

Amici,

I have just upgraded the trailer to a 8.5' x 16' enclosed trailer, not the biggest I know, but perfect for the spitfire.

What it's got:
A workbench at the front with a shelf above it and room for stuff below it
A space on the side next to the work bench to strap the rolling tool box to the wall
A rack for 3 5gallon fuel jugs
A tire rack across the back by the ramp door (holds 10 spitfire tires)
2 4' fluorescent fixtures in the center
1 2' fluorescent under the shelf for the work bench
2 electrical outlets
A small generator to run the lights etc.
standard stuff on the door to hold oil, spray cans, paper towels etc.

My questions are:
Does anyone have good tips on how to store stuff in the trailer, maybe some photos of how you store some spares or have stuff setup. (list of spares is: engine, gearbox, bell housing, various gaskets, u-joints, bearings, electrical, some suspension bits).
I have not mounted the winch yet.  Any suggestions?  I've though of putting it under the floor and just feed the cable up, but you lose the accesability to the free wheel option.
Some ideas for outside lights would be nice?
Where can I get a FOT decal to throw on the outside to go next to the Spitfire 1500 sticker and the SCCA sticker :)
Up until now, I've either had a single axle open trailer (remember that piece of work Bill?) or the trailer that had the box in front.  All of that stuff was in tubs, I'm wondering if there is a better method to the madness.
cheers,
Aaron Johnson
#87 HP Spitfire 1500


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sat May  5 06:34:17 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:34:17 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <20070505.053502.21820.2634455@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>

I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my TR4
intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should be
blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 different
things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any dyno
testing to determine if it is worth while?
Joe(B)


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat May  5 08:51:21 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 07:51:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
References: <20070505.053502.21820.2634455@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <004301c78f24$d8a0f410$0502a8c0@desktop>

Joe, I'm not sure what could be gained from blocking it off.
On my MGB, streetcar, when I ported and polished the manifold, I spent extra 
time cleaning the area around the crossover and down inside it.  The gain 
was incredible for such a minor task.
I would think the motor would benefit from the additional intake of the 
opposing carburetor.  On a MG the head only has 1 intake port to share 
between 2 cylinders and maybe it makes more sense to share 2 carbs also.
Just my thoughts.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


>I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my 
>TR4
> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should 
> be
> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 
> different
> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any 
> dyno
> testing to determine if it is worth while?
> Joe(B)
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Sat May  5 12:48:26 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>

I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
was important, I would think that we would have seen
x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
carbs.

Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md

>I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my 
>TR4
>intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should 
>be
>blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 
>different
>things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
>still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any 
>dyno
>testing to determine if it is worth while?
>Joe(B)

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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sat May  5 14:16:22 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:16:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <bf0.133f0928.336e4016@aol.com>

Without ever trying to figure out the reason why, I have heard that people
who have tried blocking off this tube had problems.  If I remember correctly, I
believe that Kas warned against this in one of his books.  Make sure that the
balance tube is not plugged.
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat May  5 14:27:39 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:27:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>

Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow  
much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The  
moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume  
downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason  
given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early  
intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from  
plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A  
stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly  
sized modern one.

Bill Babcock
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On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

> I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
> was important, I would think that we would have seen
> x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
> carbs.
>
> Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
>
>> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over  
>> tube in my
>> TR4
>> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and  
>> should
>> be
>> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
>> different
>> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,  
>> but that
>> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried  
>> this?  Any
>> dyno
>> testing to determine if it is worth while?
>> Joe(B)
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat May  5 14:30:41 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:30:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner

  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  When I was doing radical MGTD engines in the early 50's I closed the balance
pipe with material and welded in a fill and smoothed, it did provide  better
power and amazing it also smoothed out the idle on a big camshaft. But those
engines had a single port for two combustion chambers. It so amusing that when
I sold my MG special that had that manifold on it the guy thought I trying to
pull something off on him cause the idle was pretty smooth for a big cam.  I
drilled a 1/2" hole in the balance pipe covers and the idle came right back
rough as a cob and he was happier.

   I was talking to Jimmy Coan just yesterday about this, and he remembers I
did it on the TR-4 in the engine dyno and the mid range and idle
characteristics were so bad we had a hard time stopping the engine from
shaking out of the cradle. From this even though the flow bench said other, I
passed on the mod. With the S.U.s or Stromberg it is important but of course
on Webers each inlet port has it's own carb so no contest there. Can't explain
it.

  The cross over balance pipe contributes to the flow of the mixture when you
have only two carbs for four cylinders.

  Lets start with the mixture flow going to number one, then the flow must
reverse itself to get to number three, this makes number three slightly
leaner, but now the inertia of flow is going to three and the next open valve
is number four so it gets a higher inertia of flow, then to number two and the
reverse takes place and the flow is leaner as the inertia of flow was going in
the opposite direction, but number one now benefits from the flow to number
two and so it is slightly richer than number two. make sense?  It really works
that way and is the reason I always check the number two and three plugs on a
full throttle clean shut off. Those cylinders are most prone to detonation
because of this.

  This being true ( and it is) you would think that plugging the balance pipe
would better all around, but it's  not. Weird!! Your power may differ :-)

  Never Be beaten by Equipment
  Kas Kastner
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: SHANE Ingate
    To: jaboruch at netzero.net
    Cc: fot at autox.team.net
    Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:48 AM
    Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


    I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
    was important, I would think that we would have seen
    x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
    carbs.

    Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md

    >I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my
    >TR4
    >intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should
    >be
    >blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
    >different
    >things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but
that
    >still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any
    >dyno
    >testing to determine if it is worth while?
    >Joe(B)

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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat May  5 14:37:59 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:37:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>

I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see the mixture
pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: SHANE Ingate
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
  much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
  moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
  downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
  given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
  intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
  plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
  stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
  sized modern one.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
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  On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

  > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
  > was important, I would think that we would have seen
  > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
  > carbs.
  >
  > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
  >
  >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
  >> tube in my
  >> TR4
  >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
  >> should
  >> be
  >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
  >> different
  >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
  >> but that
  >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
  >> this?  Any
  >> dyno
  >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
  >> Joe(B)
  >
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sun May  6 02:59:31 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 03:59:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: MOTHRA SVRA Road America May 18-20
Message-ID: <200705060859.l468xfH1025917@ns3.geneseo.net>

>This message from Wm. Severin Thompson III went out to a couple of 
>other lists and those of you who are going to the MOTRAH event at 
>Raod America in May may be interested. Otherwise, after salivating 
>over the fun we're going to have, delete.
>
>Hey y'all,
>
>
>
>Busy busy busy in the world of Thickos. We've been in the throes of spring
>time farm related doings. I've had lots of business related travel. Car prep
>has had its ups and downs.
>
>
>
>We're picking up John Sprinzel and his lovely wife Caryl at the airport in
>Milwaukee on the 17th. They're flying in from Hawaii, and spending Thursday
>night at the Dream Farm, and riding over to the track with us Fri.  AM. When
>John & Caryl asked what type of clothes to bring to Wisco in May, I
>suggested that shorts and parkas ought to cover it. Record temps for that
>weekend in May range from 22F to somewhere in the 90'sF.
>
>
>
>Last time John was at Road America, it was at the VSCDA's Vintage Fall
>Festival, and we had rain of Biblical proportions for the first 2 days. His
>last visit is chronicled at http://www.thicko.com/Shakey.htm .
>
>
>
>  John is co-Grand Marshal of the MOTHRA race (Morgan, Triumph, Healey
>challenge series) along with Kas Kaster.
>
>
>
>I hope to have the Thicko land barge and Redrum over at the track early
>Thursday.
>
>
>
>For those of you that don't know John personally, I can tell you he is one
>of the original Thickos. He's a pleasure to hang with. I'm sure he'll be
>happy to meet all you "Thickos" and "Idgets with Spridgets".
>
>
>
>There's a gymkhana for those of you that would like to get your groove on at
>the track without going wheel to wheel.
>
>
>
>The Thicko shop is only about 35 minutes from Road America., so if any
>Mothra participants get into some mechanical difficulty, we can probably
>accommodate almost anything here if you need help .
>
>
>
>For more info contact: (Morgan) Bob Wilson aka Kermit at Kerm1 at aol.com ,
>(Triumph) Joe
>
>Alexander at N197TR4 at cs.com , (Austin Healey) Jeff Johnk at
>jeffj at centuryrefining.com , or
>
>head on over to SVRA's website at www.svra.com.
>
>
>
>On the Flounder front. I rebuilt one of the race motors I got in the Roscoe
>race Bugeye deal. I put it together yesterday, painted it today, and will
>drop it in tomorrow. It has Venolia forged pistons, a Comptune cam, nitrided
>crank, 13:1 CR. the usual stuff. It should have plenty of zip. Hopefully I
>can break it in driving it around the local cow country before it hits the
>trailer next weekend.
>
>
>
>Let me know if you're racing or spectating. Stop by Thicko Village and say
>"hey". .
>
>Wm. Severin Thompson
>
>
>
>  <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com
>
>  <http://www.thicko.com/> www.thicko.com
>
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From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net  Sun May  6 10:51:55 2007
From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers
In-Reply-To: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <004001c78ffe$dc5e9640$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Check this device. I have one but have not read the manual yet (typical
engineer)!
http://www.scangauge.com/ 
Clark W. Nicholls

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Susan and Jack
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:06 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack


From billb at bnj.com  Sun May  6 13:47:41 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:47:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
	<01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>

Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was  
running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet  
hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor  
mount looked weird. Yup, broken.

I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a  
better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I  
break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock  
rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad  
things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the  
mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but  
that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

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On May 5, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see  
> the mixture pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
> Kas Kastner
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: SHANE Ingate
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
>
> Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
> much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
> moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
> downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
> given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
> intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
> plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
> stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
> sized modern one.
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> Sub=168304
>
> or Via RSS
> Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
> AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour
>
>
>
> On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:
>
> > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
> > was important, I would think that we would have seen
> > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
> > carbs.
> >
> > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
> >
> >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
> >> tube in my
> >> TR4
> >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
> >> should
> >> be
> >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
> >> different
> >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
> >> but that
> >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
> >> this?  Any
> >> dyno
> >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
> >> Joe(B)
> >
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun May  6 15:36:54 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 16:36:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
	<01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
	<B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070506213601.EAECC187A91@autox.team.net>

Cambridge sells heavy duty motor mounts.  They're larger in diameter 
than stock.  I've got a set I've been running for a few years, and 
haven't broken them yet...  These are for the TR-4.  I don't know 
what the TR-3 mounts are like, if they are different.

http://shop.cambridgemotorsport.com/product_templates/product_default.cfm?menu_temp=tr4_cylinder.cfm&dep_id=1&prod_id=342&ass_id=19

- Tony

At 02:47 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:
>Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was
>running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet
>hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor
>mount looked weird. Yup, broken.
>
>I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a
>better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I
>break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock
>rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad
>things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the
>mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but
>that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.
>
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sun May  6 15:42:38 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:42:38 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing timetable
References: <463ceb4a.4041fa0d.2cdf.51ccSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c79027$783f7f20$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've searched on the FOT webside but didn't find any race event timetable.

Where do I find the races where FOT appears?

Cheers
Chris


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sun May  6 16:07:50 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:07:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Motor Mounts
Message-ID: <002501c7902a$fcfc7c60$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Bill:

Yes, I found a heavy duty one through Cambridge Motorsports
(www.cambridgemotorsport.com).  It is significantly "beefier" than the stock
or Moss parts, bigger in diameter and a bit taller.  Part number is MTC4444
and costs 13.95 pounds (UK).  Back in Nov, 2006, total cost to ship two
mounts to California was just a bit over 40 pounds.

Gary 1962 TR4


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun May  6 21:32:15 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 20:32:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <010301c79058$4f113cc0$0502a8c0@desktop>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


>I just looked at the motor mounts @ Cambridge and those look a lot like a 
>Jaguar mount.  I know that would be much stronger.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
>
>
>> Cambridge sells heavy duty motor mounts.  They're larger in diameter
>> than stock.  I've got a set I've been running for a few years, and
>> haven't broken them yet...  These are for the TR-4.  I don't know
>> what the TR-3 mounts are like, if they are different.
>>
>> http://shop.cambridgemotorsport.com/product_templates/product_default.cfm?menu_temp=tr4_cylinder.cfm&dep_id=1&prod_id=342&ass_id=19
>>
>> - Tony
>>
>> At 02:47 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:
>>>Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was
>>>running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet
>>>hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor
>>>mount looked weird. Yup, broken.
>>>
>>>I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a
>>>better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I
>>>break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock
>>>rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad
>>>things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the
>>>mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but
>>>that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.
>>>
>>>Bill Babcock
>>>billb at bnj.com
>>>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:22:25 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:22:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c07.13339ea8.33709021@cs.com>

FoT Entries

The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their website. 

Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR entries and 
acceptance of their entries.

Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest priorty.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 08:31:29 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:31:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:22:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

FoT  Entries

The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and  their 
website. 

Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack  of TR entries and 
acceptance of their entries.

Staff at SVRA can  get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
and I suspect  that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest  priorty.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   


The entries posted this weekend are up to date as of Friday. Anyone not on  
the list can contact me directly.
 
Jack Woehrle



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:37:20 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:37:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
Message-ID: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>

FOT,    ET.AL.

I am receiving questions about tickets for the dinner on Friday Night.

I sent a note to Kerm about the availability...copied here.

Kerm1 at aol.com

I know that Mr. Holekamp represents a group of (7) folks coming from ISOA and 
we want them to join us.

I am still counting heads myself and need some tickets, too.

Kermit, what is latest on the availability of dinner tickets?

Contact Kermit (Bob Wilson) directly. We want you there.  I understand that 
it will be held at the pavilion at the Motorplex....no tents. 

Event regalia will be available and Marty Sukey will display our stuff and 
you can pick up any event shirts ordered in advance.

Additionally displayed, will be the very nice Seiko Chronograph to be 
presented to an outstanding TR Pilot. Presentation will be by Kas Kastner follwing 
the MOTRAH-007 Race.  This Chronograph has been sponsored by "A.R.E.".  (yes, 
that A.R.E.) Criteria for awarding will be similar to the awarding of the 
Kastner Cup.

PERFORMANCE         PRESENTATION           PASSION

Regards,

Joe Alexander

   </HTML>


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May  7 08:42:36 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:42:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/07/2007 9:23:00 AM Central Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:


> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their 
> website. 
> 
> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR entries and 
> acceptance of their entries.
> 
> Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
> and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest priorty.
> 

Joe is correct.  SVRA has a limited staff, and is busy at this time of year.  
Obviously I do not speak for SVRA, but I did notice Kim Beline has posted an 
updated list on the website today.  It is about two pages longer than the one 
from the end of April, but is still missing names I expected to see.  I can 
only guess some names not readily known to SVRA and are still in the process of 
being scrutinized.

Bill Dentinger



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:51:13 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:51:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
Message-ID: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>

FOT PILOTOS AND CREW AND FRIENDS:

Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located to 
EVERYTHING.

Tom Strange has volunteered his time and efforts to block off an area for us 
on early Thursday morning.  He is also going to provide a limited amount of 
tent space for "FOT CENTRAL" AND A COUPLE OF CARS.  

I think everyone knows the amount of effort that Tom Strange puts into this. 
Witness Hallett last year. A lot of folks pitched in to help out in this 
effort, but the responsibility for pulling off this tremendous Mall of Triumphs 
rested on Tom and his Wife. Greatly appreciated, as it adds a cohesive element to 
the experience.

If you are interested in this area, please contact Tom directly and express 
your interest and appreciation. It will help with his planning.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 09:07:02 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:07:02 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <c82.131bab76.33709a96@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Primary  location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
Building  & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
to  
EVERYTHING.


We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot  
of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you  
trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
 
Jack



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 10:12:37 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>

thanks jack w!

tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and your offer to support is greatly appreciated.

joe a

> 
>In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>Primary  location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
>Building  & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
>to  
>EVERYTHING.
>
>
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot  
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you  
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 11:04:47 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <335856.16034.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Jack:
   
  I have a large roll of the yellow tape I will make available.  If any unauthorized sorts try to squat in the area, we'll just throw deep fried cheese curds at them until they surrender or succumb to clogged arteries.
   
  Ernie

  
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot 
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you 
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>

       
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 11:21:18 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:21:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
Message-ID: <c98.fdadc22.3370ba0e@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 12:05:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:

Jack:

I have a large roll of the yellow tape  I will make available.  If any 
unauthorized sorts try to squat in the  area, we'll just throw deep fried cheese 
curds at them until they surrender or  succumb to clogged arteries.

Ernie


OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who  already 
know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your  problem 
will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground.
 
jw



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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon May  7 11:38:29 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <050720071738.18638.463F641500084BE7000048CE2200734840970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: JWoesvra at aol.com 

> Ernie 
> 
> 
> OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who already 
> know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your problem 
> will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground. 

Yeah, but he's a cheesehead too, so the "enemy" won't know what hit them until it is too late. Sort of a wide, white version of Undercover Brother, although I'm sure Ernie could drive an Enzo much better than Eddie Griffin.
Irv


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon May  7 12:00:34 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
References: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>

There is another factor here, and I'm not sure of it's effect.  The 
intake valves on #3 and #4 (and #1 and #2) have a lot of shared opening, 
e.g 120 degrees of shared opening with a 300 degree duration cam. If you 
shut off the crossover, then much of the time you'd have two cylinders 
pulling on one carb.  I've always wondered about the other extreme, i.e. 
mount both carbs on a big plenum.  Has anyone tried that?
Larry Young


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  7 12:15:47 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <215943.55177.qm@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jack, Joe...
    Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it would be better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and do the set up ... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry about claiming space etc ....  
    Any possibilities there?
  

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  thanks jack w!

tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and your offer to support is greatly appreciated.

joe a

> 
>In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
>Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
>to 
>EVERYTHING.
>
>
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot 
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you 
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 13:45:23 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <c98.fdadc22.3370ba0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <699763.70474.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Well if you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in some of that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.

JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:         
   

  
  OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who already know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your problem will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground.
   
  jw



    
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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 13:55:17 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:55:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <699763.70474.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F1410CC93E98224C66BBF69D2450@phx.gbl>

>Well if you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in 
>some of that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.

Bite your tongue man!

This here's a slippery slope!

The next thing you'll want to do is import brauts from New York City!

Greg


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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May  7 14:19:13 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:19:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Left Coast Event
Message-ID: <d65.82fab2b.3370e3c1@aol.com>

Amici...

No report for the Left Coast event last weekend?

Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:09:37 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:09:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
In-Reply-To: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>
References: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CFCE8B21-14DB-46BA-BE07-FAF03D90BF17@bnj.com>

What dinner are you talking about Joe?
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:37 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT,    ET.AL.
>
> I am receiving questions about tickets for the dinner on Friday Night.
>
> I sent a note to Kerm about the availability...copied here.
>
> Kerm1 at aol.com
>
> I know that Mr. Holekamp represents a group of (7) folks coming  
> from ISOA and
> we want them to join us.
>
> I am still counting heads myself and need some tickets, too.
>
> Kermit, what is latest on the availability of dinner tickets?
>
> Contact Kermit (Bob Wilson) directly. We want you there.  I  
> understand that
> it will be held at the pavilion at the Motorplex....no tents.
>
> Event regalia will be available and Marty Sukey will display our  
> stuff and
> you can pick up any event shirts ordered in advance.
>
> Additionally displayed, will be the very nice Seiko Chronograph to be
> presented to an outstanding TR Pilot. Presentation will be by Kas  
> Kastner follwing
> the MOTRAH-007 Race.  This Chronograph has been sponsored by  
> "A.R.E.".  (yes,
> that A.R.E.) Criteria for awarding will be similar to the awarding  
> of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> PERFORMANCE         PRESENTATION           PASSION
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>    </HTML>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:10:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
In-Reply-To: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>
References: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2CF5CA5B-6585-495A-9E43-11D8F0C4F9CB@bnj.com>

Could one of you guys post a link for where the entry list is?

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:42 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/07/2007 9:23:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>
>> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their
>> website.
>>
>> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR  
>> entries and
>> acceptance of their entries.
>>
>> Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities  
>> and events,
>> and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest  
>> priorty.
>>
>
> Joe is correct.  SVRA has a limited staff, and is busy at this time  
> of year.
> Obviously I do not speak for SVRA, but I did notice Kim Beline has  
> posted an
> updated list on the website today.  It is about two pages longer  
> than the one
> from the end of April, but is still missing names I expected to  
> see.  I can
> only guess some names not readily known to SVRA and are still in  
> the process of
> being scrutinized.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:11:36 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:11:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>
References: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>
Message-ID: <50ECC35B-F732-4DB6-B3C6-6A9B046AE4BC@bnj.com>

Tom,
I'm bringing Nero of course, it's a 34 foot trailer coupled to an  
F350 pickup that's 20 feet long.

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On May 7, 2007, at 7:51 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT PILOTOS AND CREW AND FRIENDS:
>
> Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be  
> near the
> Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally  
> located to
> EVERYTHING.
>
> Tom Strange has volunteered his time and efforts to block off an  
> area for us
> on early Thursday morning.  He is also going to provide a limited  
> amount of
> tent space for "FOT CENTRAL" AND A COUPLE OF CARS.
>
> I think everyone knows the amount of effort that Tom Strange puts  
> into this.
> Witness Hallett last year. A lot of folks pitched in to help out in  
> this
> effort, but the responsibility for pulling off this tremendous Mall  
> of Triumphs
> rested on Tom and his Wife. Greatly appreciated, as it adds a  
> cohesive element to
> the experience.
>
> If you are interested in this area, please contact Tom directly and  
> express
> your interest and appreciation. It will help with his planning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:22:49 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:22:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
In-Reply-To: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>
References: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DD98F55C-E8DB-45CF-A201-2D8CA1D18737@bnj.com>

I just checked the list and I am NOT on it. Sent my entry in a long  
time ago. Please let me know if there is something I need to do.
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:31 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:22:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
> FoT  Entries
>
> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and  their
> website.
>
> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack  of TR  
> entries and
> acceptance of their entries.
>
> Staff at SVRA can  get very busy with the SVRA spring activities  
> and events,
> and I suspect  that entries recorded is not necessarily the  
> highest  priorty.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> The entries posted this weekend are up to date as of Friday. Anyone  
> not on
> the list can contact me directly.
>
> Jack Woehrle
>
>
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:25:37 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:25:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
Message-ID: <d0b.e62db25.3370f351@cs.com>

MOTRAH-007 Dinner at the Motorplex on Friday night.

$20 per ticket.

You've been too busy in Maui to notice.

Keep the blogs coming en route. 

Joe A


> What dinner are you talking about Joe? 
> Bill Babcock
> 
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:32:38 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:32:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <c45.148cc222.3370f4f6@cs.com>

Bill,

There is room for your rig, if you want to hang with us.  Otherwise you will 
be banished to the asphalt where the high rollers reside.

When is your ETA?

Tom, you could try to crime tape him in at the very end where he could pull 
his rig in full length.

No guarantees on anything. 

Joe (A)


> Tom, I'm bringing Nero of course, it's a 34 foot trailer coupled to an F350 
> pickup that's 20 feet long. 
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:35:25 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:35:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <d36.740d5a5.3370f59d@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:55:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
greenman62 at hotmail.com writes:


> 
> Bite your tongue man!
> 

Greg,  

A well known automotive journalist for an offshore magazine is looking for 
someone to share information. He is unable to make it.  Will both you and Scott 
be there?  

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:06:16 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:06:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
Message-ID: <cbc.1179cac8.3370fcd8@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 1:16:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Jack, Joe...
  Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it  would be 
better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and do  the set up 
... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry about  claiming space 
etc ....  
  Any possibilities there?>>
 
I think we can arrange that.
 
Jack



 



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:11:41 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:11:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:

Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in 
some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.


I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds. Is  
there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat Vermont  
cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??  No  Way!
 
Jack Woehrle



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:17:34 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:17:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <d48.7341c1b.3370ff7e@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:11:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
billb at bnj.com writes:

Could  one of you guys post a link for where the entry list is?

Bill  Babcock
billb at bnj.com


_http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument_ 
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 16:20:29 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

G'day guys,
          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller cam?
 
Jim

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May  7 16:39:38 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:39:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>

California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass 
Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our 
fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's 
25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I 
doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those 
great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games. 
No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley 
wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of 
your chair, for more cheese related facts visit www.realcaliforniacheese.com 
where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm, 
time for some Monterey Jack!

Gary
62 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw 
> in
> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>
>
> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds. 
> Is
> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat Vermont
> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ?? 
> No  Way!
>
> Jack Woehrle
>
>
>
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May  7 16:40:28 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:40:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c790f8$b64590d0$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Jim:

Roller rockers in vintage racing?  How dare you!

Gary

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To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Fot] Roller life


> G'day guys,
>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller 
> cam?
>
> Jim
>
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:50:18 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:50:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c83.1314beb6.3371072a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 5:39:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to  pass 
Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state  in our 
fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the  stuff, that's 
25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the  facts.  However I 
doubt Californians will take over the nickname of  "Cheeseheads" with those 
great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a  U of W football games. 
No, they'll just sit back with their glass of  Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley 
wine, have a sip and nibble on some  cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of 
your chair, for more cheese  related facts visit www.realcaliforniacheese.com 
where you can relive all  the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm, 
time for some  Monterey Jack!


I don't believe it. It is a trick to get the real cheese heads riled up. It  
certainly must be a fad that will quickly pass when "the big one" hits. 
Probably  using Japanese milk.
 
jw



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 17:00:03 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <204A945C-8AEC-4DCF-8519-3B3BD64E8681@bnj.com>

And let's not forget Oregon. Tillamook Cheese is one of the most  
recognized cheddars in the US. We also have the famous Bandon Cheddar  
(though there really isn't a cheese plant in Bandon anymore) and make  
some very nice artisan cheeses like Blue Heron and Rogue Blue.  
However, there's not that much cheese leaving the state. We only make  
71 million pounds and we eat about 160 million (which of course  
includes all that "american" cheese that little kids and the  
gastronomically immature seem to enjoy), so there's not much to of  
the good stuff to spare. If you Wisconsin folks are interested in  
trying something better I can bring a block or two of Tillamook in Nero.

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Gary wrote:

> California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to  
> pass
> Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state  
> in our
> fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff,  
> that's
> 25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.   
> However I
> doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads"  
> with those
> great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football  
> games.
> No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore  
> Valley
> wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the  
> edge of
> your chair, for more cheese related facts visit  
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com
> where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.   
> Hmmm,
> time for some Monterey Jack!
>
> Gary
> 62 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
> To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll  
>> throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those  
>> adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat  
>> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california  
>> cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 17:06:46 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:06:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40D8F262-82A1-4CBD-9EF9-DEB775A1513D@bnj.com>

I assume you mean flat tappets, or are you just asking about solid  
versus hydraulic lifters?

If you mean flat tappets I don't think it will work very well. Roller  
cams ground for roller lifters take advantage of the tight curve of  
the roller to move the lifter quickly at the beginning of the opening  
cycle. You need more ramp with a flat tappet. I think you'd have  
serious wear problems. Might get away with using a ceramic lifter.

If you mean using solid vs. Hydraulics, then it depends again on how  
the cam was ground. Some cams are ground with a really radical  
initial ramp expecting the excessive acceleration to be taken up by  
the hydraulic lifter.

Why would you want to use a roller cam with flat lifters
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Jim Cun wrote:

> G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a  
> roller cam?
>
> Jim
>
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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon May  7 17:17:31 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV1A9773B536BEBBC8CC494B7450@phx.gbl>

Gary I couldn't agree with you more! If any of you get the chance to visit
S.F. head north after a few laps @ Infineon & on to Sonoma. (50-70 miles) In
the square you can see first hand how cheese is made while noshing on
everything wonderful washing it down with a cold one, crisp Chard or a
Sauvignon Blanc. ahhh.... nothing quite like it.

GT6kev in Colo. but always a  SF native!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
  Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
  fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
  25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I
  doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
  great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
  No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
  wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of
  your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
  where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
  time for some Monterey Jack!

  Gary
  62 TR4

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
  To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
<N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
<fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
  Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  > In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
  >
  > Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
  > in
  > some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
  >
  >
  > I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
  > Is
  > there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
Vermont
  > cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
  > No  Way!
  >
  > Jack Woehrle
  >
  >
  >
  > ************************************** See what's free at
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon May  7 17:56:25 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <001401c79103$543690a0$f283b304@Bud>

you must mean Sonoma Jack...'See ya At The Track with some Good Sonoma Jack'
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <JWoesvra at aol.com>; <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


> California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
> Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
> fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
> 25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However 
> I
> doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
> great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
> No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
> wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge 
> of
> your chair, for more cheese related facts visit 
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com
> where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
> time for some Monterey Jack!
>
> Gary
> 62 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
> To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat 
>> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 18:01:13 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:01:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d5c.7d35b78.337117c9@cs.com>

FOT:   See below for brief description....NFI !!!    Not a race prepared 
engine. Engine installed and ran.  A V-8 engine was then planned......Engine & 
Transmission located in Wisconsin.

Priced well below cost of rebuild

Joe (A)



"The TR3 engine is fully assembled and even has the carbs attached to it.  
The oil pressure is 80lbs cold when using a drill to turn over the engine (plugs 
removed of course).  The engine was built using the big-bore kit.

The tranny is completely rebuilt as well. 

Neither the engine nore tranny have any miles on them.  The has been started 
a couple of times since rebuild just to lubricate it better than circulating 
the oil with the drill."    </HTML>


From budscars at msn.com  Mon May  7 18:10:27 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] and So
Message-ID: <005301c79105$492bcde0$f283b304@Bud>

And so.....as their activity in Racing waned due to things like ...Loss of
Memory(CRS Disease)...no longer being able to pull oneself out from under the
race car...Being black flagged for racing in the wrong direction...The Spirit
of the FOT did not weaken....They Began 'THE CHEESE WARS'
Racer Bud...Sonoma Jack


From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 18:50:42 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <20070508005042.94253.qmail@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Garry,
         Just a question. So I guess that you are not in favour of this technology? Not roller rockers but roller cam and solid roller lifters. I already use roller rockers "sham on me" and I am smiling :)
 
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Gary <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 8:40:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Jim:

Roller rockers in vintage racing?  How dare you!

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cun" <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Fot] Roller life


> G'day guys,
>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller 
> cam?
>
> Jim
>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 18:55:20 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <696477.72222.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bill,
      I did mean solid roller lifters with a roller cam.  Thanks for your response it is clearer to me now. The knowledge and the sharing of it is just great! Thanks.
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 9:06:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life

I assume you mean flat tappets, or are you just asking about solid versus hydraulic lifters?  


If you mean flat tappets I don't think it will work very well. Roller cams ground for roller lifters take advantage of the tight curve of the roller to move the lifter quickly at the beginning of the opening cycle. You need more ramp with a flat tappet. I think you'd have serious wear problems. Might get away with using a ceramic lifter.


If you mean using solid vs. Hydraulics, then it depends again on how the cam was ground. Some cams are ground with a really radical initial ramp expecting the excessive acceleration to be taken up by the hydraulic lifter.  


Why would you want to use a roller cam with flat lifters

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Jim Cun wrote:


G'day guys,
          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller cam?


Jim


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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon May  7 19:27:40 2007
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:27:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>
References: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
	<463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <463FD20C.7030609@141.com>

Larry, do you mean something like the following?

http://www.141.com/dodge/photos/offy-intake.JPG

Thats the offenhauser intake I'm putting on my 51 dodge straight 6 engine.

Brad


Larry Young wrote:
> I've always wondered about the other extreme, i.e. 
> mount both carbs on a big plenum.  Has anyone tried that?
> Larry Young
> ______________________________________________


From JFrymark at aol.com  Mon May  7 19:41:09 2007
From: JFrymark at aol.com (JFrymark at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow
Message-ID: <c7c.c48f578.33712f35@aol.com>

Our usual event reporter, Steve Smith, wasn't in attendance, so I will  
volunteer this recap of a great weekend of racing on the Left Coast. An XLarge  
turnout of Triumphs:
 
TR3: Joe Dickerson, Steve Belfer
TR4: Paul Smock, John Frymark, Mike Bruner, Ken Knight
TR6: Edwin Soto
Spits: Chuck Gee, Alan Weins, Jerry Alford, Alan Mitzutani, Joe Siam, Gary  
Shuman, Steve Barth, Dale Crane, (I'm sure there were more...)
Herald: Jerry Barker, 1 other in a beautiful red convertible  (Cleary?)
 
Highlights:
- Sprite/Triumph Challenge Race (the MG guys have given up and race the  
Minis now) top 10 finishers were 2nd (Gee), 3rd (Barker), 4th  (Frymark), 6th 
(Shuman), and 7th (Bruner)
- Alan Weins turned a smokin' lap in 2:10 during the Sunday Flag  race
- Steve Belfer had a trouble-free first outing in his pretty TR3
- Nameless Triumph drivers butchered "Superfreak" during Karaoke
- Good turnout of pre-War racers and Brit car club attendees
 
Lowlight: 2 Italian cars turned turtle in separate racing incidences on  
Sunday . Drivers were unhurt thankfully.



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 21:09:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:09:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-DAV1A9773B536BEBBC8CC494B7450@phx.gbl>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
	<BAY102-DAV1A9773B536BEBBC8CC494B7450@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0F1FA257-40B1-4BBD-BBD1-7C536DE78FA0@bnj.com>

I'm bringing along an InFocus  digital projector, a screen that  
attaches to Nero and my Macintosh so we can have movie nights in the  
paddock at all the events we attend this year. I have a decent  
selection of DVD's (though I can't find the most important movies:  
Grand Prix, Le Mans, and Man and a Woman. All three are missing which  
means I put them someplace special). I plan to take any digital In- 
Car video anyone has as well as my own forward and rearward facing  
cameras, make a short video of the best passes and moves, and then  
show a movie. So if you have something special. bring it along. At  
Motrah I'll probably be showing some Nero Wolfe episodes, though if  
someone has Grand Prix handy I could be talked into that.

Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll  
bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a  
cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their peace  
(piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as  
they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.

Bill Babcock
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon May  7 21:26:39 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 03:26:39 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <20070507.202739.2183.2649958@webmail12.nyc.untd.com>

Thanks to all who responded.  Some great information!  I will leave well
enough alone and keep my crossover flowing.  Joe(B)

-- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see the
mixture
pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: SHANE Ingate
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
  much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
  moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
  downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
  given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
  intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
  plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
  stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
  sized modern one.

  Bill Babcock
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  On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

  > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
  > was important, I would think that we would have seen
  > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
  > carbs.
  >
  > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
  >
  >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
  >> tube in my
  >> TR4
  >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
  >> should
  >> be
  >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
  >> different
  >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
  >> but that
  >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
  >> this?  Any
  >> dyno
  >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
  >> Joe(B)
  >
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 00:40:07 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200705080640.l486eDCU501380@ns3.geneseo.net>

Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.

At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
> roller cam?
>
>Jim
>
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From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <200705080640.l486eDCU501380@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<200705080640.l486eDCU501380@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Further on this subject - you can see a picture of what happens at

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95258_hydraulic_roller_cams/




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:14:59 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Jack,
        I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the design by an engineer. 
 
Jim


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To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.

At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
> roller cam?
>
>Jim
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:17:13 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <20070508091713.90216.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jack do you think this is a worthwhile modification?




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To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:51:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Further on this subject - you can see a picture of what happens at

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95258_hydraulic_roller_cams/




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:34:29 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <423168.57021.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
           l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
 
Regards Jim

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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue May  8 05:20:34 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:20:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It has 4 wires 
:  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - ignition, L 
- lamp, and P - for ?
Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?

Thanks for any help.

Allen

A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue May  8 05:26:35 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <215943.55177.qm@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <215943.55177.qm@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Tom,

I plan to attend with the TR6. However, I always travel with Richard 
and Dan Gehweiler who race a Mini Cooper. They are assisting with 
sponsorship of MOTRAH this year as "Stonefield Vintage Racing".  If we 
could both join you, we would need room for a modest trailer and two 
10' x 20' tents.

Just let me know.

Thanks for your efforts.

Allen

On May 7, 2007, at 1:15 PM, tom strange wrote:

> Jack, Joe...
>     Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it would 
> be better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and 
> do the set up ... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry 
> about claiming space etc ....
>     Any possibilities there?
>
>
> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>   thanks jack w!
>
> tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and 
> your offer to support is greatly appreciated.
>
> joe a
>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>>
>> Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near 
>> the
>> Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally 
>> located
>> to
>> EVERYTHING.
>>
>>
>> We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be 
>> a lot
>> of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who 
>> gives you
>> trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue May  8 06:30:52 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:30:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Book/Reference for setting up Weber Carbs
Message-ID: <003c01c7916c$b82311b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone care to recommend a good reference for setting up the 40DCOE?


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 06:44:23 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 07:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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References: <423168.57021.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200705081251.l48CpLBw024486@ns3.geneseo.net>

I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.

At 04:34 AM 5/8/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>Hi group,
>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any 
> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>
>Regards Jim
>
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May  8 07:16:51 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:16:51 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <d5a.8a538fc.3371d243@aol.com>

Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I enquired those 
were out of production with no plans to reproduce.  I can't imagine what they're 
worth now with the Dollar so weak.  Sure like to have them though...

I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 07:25:27 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <809896.19022.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If it's Quaife then that's about 3K for the gear set  and you still have to get them  to the states plus taxes I guess. 


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Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 11:16:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set


Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I enquired those were out of production with no plans to reproduce.  I can't imagine what they're worth now with the Dollar so weak.  Sure like to have them though...
I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.






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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:31:15 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:31:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
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You won't see a huge increase in power from adding a roller cam. I  
don't remember what engine you're using, but the increase in flow  
created by having longer duration enabled by the steep lifting ramp  
is never more than a few  percent. If you've optimized everything  
else and have no where else to go for another little boost then  
roller cams make sense, but otherwise they're a lot of hassle. The  
lifters wind up being pretty heavy too because they need a stabilizer  
bar between lifter sets to keep them from rotating. I've seen a lot  
of installations go bad when the cam grinds away at the head too--you  
have to control the cam thrust very carefully because it varies  
constantly--the cams hammer back and forth because there's no ramp on  
the cam faces--they have to be flat.

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On May 8, 2007, at 2:14 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> Jack,
>         I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to  
> make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it  
> would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and  
> lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the  
> design by an engineer.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
> To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life
>
>
> Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter
> will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite
> different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a
> figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the
> lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.
>
> At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>> G'day guys,
>>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a
>> roller cam?
>>
>> Jim
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:36:03 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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The most efficient timing drive is chain in an oil bath--least  
friction. Actually Gilmer belts are even more efficient but they're a  
pain--they have a pretty short life cycle. In my Ferrari they need to  
be changed every 15K miles. By the time you maket straight gears cut  
you could pay for two gilmer drives though. Of course they have to  
run dry, so you'll need a little re-engineering of the timing chest.
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On May 8, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> Hi group,
>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any  
> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>
> Regards Jim
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:38:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:38:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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	<200705081251.l48CpLBw024486@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Actually, Jim was asking about the frictional losses of helical  
timing gears--not something you worry about on a stock TR motor.
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On May 8, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation
> of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog
> synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That
> synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't
> know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess
> the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a
> Road America course lap time.
>
> At 04:34 AM 5/8/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>> Hi group,
>>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any
>> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>>
>> Regards Jim
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:43:53 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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I've had the pleasure of buying two of them--the second one when my  
gearbox dropped onto the track at 120+ mph. Fortunately I bought both  
before the dollar became as valuable as yesterday's newspaper. They  
sure are nice, but they sure do make a lot of noise. The main reason  
for having them is NOT the shifting, it's the frictional loss. It's  
more than you'd guess, you can even see the difference with the  
crudest of measurements. For example, the stock gearbox gets very hot  
during a race, the straight cut is hardly warm to the touch.

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On May 8, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> If it's Quaife then that's about 3K for the gear set  and you still  
> have to get them  to the states plus taxes I guess.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Gt6steve at aol.com" <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 11:16:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
>
>
> Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I  
> enquired those were out of production with no plans to reproduce.   
> I can't imagine what they're worth now with the Dollar so weak.   
> Sure like to have them though...
> I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation
> of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog
> synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That
> synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't
> know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess
> the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a
> Road America course lap time.
>
>
>
>
>
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  8 08:10:15 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
In-Reply-To: <d0b.e62db25.3370f351@cs.com>
Message-ID: <30128.53273.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

and,
    where do these come from?????

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  MOTRAH-007 Dinner at the Motorplex on Friday night.

$20 per ticket.

You've been too busy in Maui to notice.

Keep the blogs coming en route. 

Joe A


> What dinner are you talking about Joe? 
> Bill Babcock
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue May  8 08:12:04 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Book/Reference for setting up Weber Carbs
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Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705081002500.9462-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 8 May 2007, Scott Janzen wrote:

> Anyone care to recommend a good reference for setting up the 40DCOE?

Passini - The Weber Carburettor == The Bible

Pat Braden (sp?) - Weber and Dellorto Carbs == easy to read.

There's also a book How to Powertune Weber and Dellorto Carbs. I can't
recall the author. I have them all. Read 'em too. They're a tough read
when you need an answer right now.

Passini has all the info. It's a tough read, though. Written in passive
voice, so it'shard to figure out where he's going. Plus the phrase "suck
it and see" seems to be the watchword.

I liked Braden to get to square one. It was a lot easier to read than
Passini.

Other than that,  find out what others are using. If they tell you "I
drilled out a 125 main jet", don't use that as a starting point unless
they can tell you exactly what they did.

If you're trying to dial in, take what you get in the kit and get a plug
read. Then go in increments up/down of two sizes (if you can) 'till you
get the desired result and then try backing off one size to tweak.

Your best bet is to pay a dyno guy who knows Webers. His time will be
cheaper than buying the brass. Oh - if you need some odd Weber bits,let me
know - I've got quite a few (somewhere).

regards,
rml
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Tue May  8 08:19:54 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:19:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese???? The Challenge is ON!!!!
Message-ID: <c4d.143608fd.3371e10a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/8/2007 9:14:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin  
writes:

In a message dated 05/08/2007 7:20:23 AM Central Daylight Time,  JWoesvra 
writes:



I think you need to pick up the gauntlet on this cheese thing  and accept the 
challenge. Fridirici ought to be able to come up with some  wining "special" 
cheese I would think.

I can't imagine that queer  cheese from California could hold up to real 
Wisconsin  cheese.





The Beady Eye VINTAGE  TRIUMPH Racing Team, with it's twenty-five years of 
'Wine & Cheese'  attitude adjustment efforts, will lead by example, and not 
bourgeois  bravado.

Don Brick, was the operations manager of Swiss Valley Farms,  and more than a 
few times their World Championship cheeses would come directly  from the 
competitions in Paris to our greasy paddock tables at racing  events.  He is 
bringing some special cheddar next week end, and of  course, some of the best bleu 
cheese in the country.

And Fridirici's  ties to Grande Cheese will ensure that the finest provolone 
is available as  well.

Until that  time...

Bill






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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue May  8 08:26:19 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:26:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
References: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7917c$d91431a0$84fea8c0@shop>

Most Denso Alternators are for modern cars that have a charging circuit that
is reguulated in part by the ECU.  My own (on the Honda S2000) has 4 wires
marked:
B (black) Battery
C (White/Green) Goes to the ECU
IG (Blk/yel) To ignition switch and the Electrical Load detection circuit
L (Wht/Blu) to the charging lamp circuit.

The ECU has another input from the Electrical Load Detector and the two
signals are used by the ECU to regulate tha amount of charge that is
delivered by the alternator.

I can't say for sure if yours works the same or if you can eliminate that
circuit and still make it work.  If you find out more, I'd love to know.

Regards,
Joe C

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To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:20 AM
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram


> FoT,
>
> I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It has 4 wires
> :  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - ignition, L
> - lamp, and P - for ?
> Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Allen
>
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May  8 08:33:18 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:33:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <d15.9aceb42.3371e42e@aol.com>

Well. if we were actually talking about timing gears as the title line 
says...I built one several years ago for the GT6 based upon a small block Ford three 
gear kit.  Worked fine and is presently running up in the NorthEast 
somewhere.  Didn't seem to contribute a thing and I didn't see it was worth the effort 
to set it up.
I've been drawing and noodling on a belt drive for several years but it too 
is way on the backburner.  Not enough gain for the effort, IMHO.  Steve

Actually, Jim was asking about the frictional losses of helical  
timing gears--not something you worry about on a stock TR motor.





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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue May  8 08:38:07 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46408B4F.3090809@pobox.com>

The incentive for doing a roller cam is less for a TR3/4 engine than for 
a SBC due to the diameter of the lifters (0.935 for TR, 0.842 for SBC).  
The larger lifters allows you to use a more aggressive profile without 
running off the edge.
Larry Young

Jim Cun wrote:

>Jack,
>        I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the design by an engineer. 
> 
>Jim
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
>To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life
>
>
>Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
>will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
>different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
>figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
>lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.
>
>At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>  
>
>>G'day guys,
>>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
>>roller cam?
>>
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue May  8 09:04:34 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Figure 8 Gaskets?
In-Reply-To: <30128.53273.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C95F9952DC2546-6FC-160B@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com>

Anyone have some thickness .012" (+0 -.002)to sell?
 
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue May  8 09:15:11 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:15:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
Message-ID: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>

I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
advantages.

I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.

Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
sources.

I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
term.

One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.

These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
strength than the T6061.

Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
suppliers alloy valve caps?

If you do, then please tell me!

I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
valve
retaining caps and/or cam followers.

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Best Regards

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 10:25:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:25:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <1DF162D5-62C4-43FA-AE8F-CDD9F37E576D@bnj.com>

The answer is titanium. the valve keys in alloy valve spring  
retainers creep downwards. I pack my valve springs to .060" (the  
springs bind when a .060 feeler gauge is inserted) and have seen as  
much as .100 of creep after the first race--less after that but they  
keep moving. And I don't use particularly strong seat pressure. I  
don't remember what it is, but it's not high compared to some racers  
I know, probably less than 200#, Bob Yarwood talked me into that and  
it's worked fine.

I replaced my alloy retainers with titanium, and no creep. At all.  
One brief sting to the wallet and you never have to worry about them  
again. No I don't know where they came from, Yarwood found them for  
me. I miss that old fart.

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On May 8, 2007, at 8:15 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote:

> I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers,  
> and the
> advantages.
>
> I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of  
> those sold
> by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous  
> results.
>
> Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all  
> kinds of
> sources.
>
> I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells  
> us very
> little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very  
> broad cover-all
> term.
>
> One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.
>
> These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater  
> tensile
> strength than the T6061.
>
> Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using  
> different
> suppliers alloy valve caps?
>
> If you do, then please tell me!
>
> I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give  
> proper
> technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones,  
> such as
> valve
> retaining caps and/or cam followers.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Lion
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Tue May  8 10:44:54 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <089101c79190$34c4a850$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of 
> using different
> suppliers alloy valve caps?

I got TR3 alloy retainers from British Frame and Engine.  Only went racing
once (1st in class at VTR 00 Autox) but put a lot of street miles on them
including some 2000 round-trip to the event (and another 2000 the next year
to Breckenridge).  They still look perfect; with no signs of the keepers
pulling through.  If I were building a 6-pot, wouldn't hesitate to buy from
BFE.

But, I haven't seen Ken recently; and his web site seems to be gone; so I'm
not sure BFE is still in business.

Randall


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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Tue May  8 10:46:27 2007
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <4640A963.4050400@verizon.net>

Doncha just love it when suppliers refer to something as "alloy"  One 
thinks it must be aluminum, but as I understand things, many different 
metals can be considered "alloys".  I've used parts made from both "6" 
series and "7" series aluminum with equal success. I have also seen 
titanium used for valve spring caps.  That said, here's the wordy answer 
from http://www.materialsengineer.com/E-Aluminum.htm

1xxx Series.  These grades of aluminum are characterized by excellent 
corrosion resistance, high thermal and electrical conductivities, low 
mechanical properties, and excellent workability. Moderate increases in 
strength may be obtained by strain hardening. Iron and silicon are the 
major impurities.

2xxx Series.  These alloys require solution heat treatment to obtain 
optimum properties; in the solution heat-treated condition, mechanical 
properties are similar to, and sometimes exceed, those of low-carbon 
steel. In some instances, precipitation heat treatment (aging) is 
employed to further increase mechanical properties. This treatment 
increases yield strength, with attendant loss in elongation; its effect 
on tensile strength is not as great.

The alloys in the 2xxx series do not have as good corrosion resistance 
as most other aluminum alloys, and under certain conditions they may be 
subject to intergranular corrosion.  Alloys in the 2xxx series are good 
for parts requiring good strength at temperatures up to 150 0C (300 0F). 
Except for alloy 2219, these alloys have limited weldability, but some 
alloys in this series have superior machinability.

3xxx Series.  These alloys generally are non-heat treatable but have 
about 20% more strength than 1xxx series alloys. Because only a limited 
percentage of manganese (up to about 1.5%) can be effectively added to 
aluminum, manganese is used as major element in only a few alloys.

4xxx Series. The major alloying element in 4xxx series alloys is 
silicon, which can be added in sufficient quantities (up to 12%) to 
cause substantial lowering of the melting range.  For this reason, 
aluminum-silicon alloys are used in welding wire and as brazing alloys 
for joining aluminum, where a lower melting range than that of the base 
metal is required.  The alloys containing appreciable amounts of silicon 
become dark gray to charcoal when anodic oxide finishes are applied and 
hence are in demand for architectural applications.

6xxx Series. Alloys in the 6xxx series contain silicon and magnesium 
approximately in the proportions required for formation of magnesium 
silicide (Mg2Si), thus making them heat treatable. Although not as 
strong as most 2xxx and 7xxx alloys, 6xxx series alloys have good 
formability, weldability, machinability, and relatively good corrosion 
resistance, with medium strength. Alloys in this heat-treatable group 
may be formed in the T4 temper (solution heat treated but not 
precipitation heat treated) and strengthened after forming to full T6 
properties by precipitation heat treatment.

7xxx Series. Zinc, in amounts of 1 to 8% is the major alloying element 
in 7xxx series alloys, and when coupled with a smaller percentage of 
magnesium results in heat-treatable alloys of moderate to very high 
strength. Usually other elements, such as copper and chromium, are also 
added in small quantities. 7xxx series alloys are used in airframe 
structures, mobile equipment, and other highly stressed parts.  Higher 
strength 7xxx alloys exhibit reduced resistance to stress corrosion 
cracking and are often utilized in a slightly overaged temper to provide 
better combinations of strength, corrosion resistance, and fracture 
toughness.


Hope this helped,

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA, USA
'73 TR6


From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue May  8 10:57:34 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] E-85 conversion
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV7D08B37479CA27946825BB7440@phx.gbl>

Has anyone heard how expensive/complicated/practical converting our V-8,V-10
tow vehicles would be to a E-85 flex fuel system?

Thanks in advance..

Kevin


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 11:16:16 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <0F1FA257-40B1-4BBD-BBD1-7C536DE78FA0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no big deal.
   
  I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
   
  Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self proclaimed land of happy cows. 
   
  Ernie

Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
    

  Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their peace (piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.   
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Tue May  8 11:25:35 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
References: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <089b01c79195$e36eea00$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It 
> has 4 wires 
> :  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - 
> ignition, L 
> - lamp, and P - for ?
> Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?

There are lots of different setups available ... in many cases it can be
changed just by swapping out the electronic module inside the alternator.
So it would probably be best to contact the people who sold you the
alternator, and get the information from them as to what module is installed
and how it should be wired.

But most commonly (AFAIK), "P" is an AC output from the alternator that the
ECU can use to determine alternator RPM.  If so, you should be able to
safely leave it disconnected.

Randall 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:35:07 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:35:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
Message-ID: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no 
> big deal.
>    
>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land 
> will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not 
> looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>    
>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self 
> proclaimed land of happy cows. 
> 

Ernie....

You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is OK).

Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in attendance 
next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager at Swiss Valley 
Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as well as some of the 
country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I 
plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to 
produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they 
choose to.

At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude 
Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous events from out 
EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It was special.  I have no 
reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in 
California will be very nice as well.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:43:17 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>

I'm with Bill on this one.  Get titanium ones.  I've had failures with the aluminum retainers, and I believe they were made from 7075, about as strong as you can get.  Contact Jerry Barker, he's on this list and should be able to help since they are the same as Spitfire. 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6


I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
advantages.

I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.

Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
sources.

I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
term.

One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.

These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
strength than the T6061.

Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
suppliers alloy valve caps?

If you do, then please tell me!

I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
valve
retaining caps and/or cam followers.

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Best Regards

Lion








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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 11:50:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
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Well, I'd bring some california cheese but I hear you have to prove  
you're gay to buy it, and I'm afraid I'd be stopped at the wisconsin  
border and "searched".
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On May 8, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Ernest Husmann wrote:

> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a  
> gonna be no big deal.
>
> I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese  
> land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be  
> said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>
> Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from  
> the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
> Ernie
>
> Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll  
> bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a  
> cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their  
> peace (piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well  
> Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 11:52:12 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 12:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
	<8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200705081752.l48HqINt110014@ns3.geneseo.net>

I had strange things going on in my valve train and finally figured 
out that it was the valves slowly pulling through the retainers. 
Titanium for me, got them from BFE last year.

At 12:43 PM 5/8/2007, chasgee at aol.com wrote:
>I'm with Bill on this one.  Get titanium ones.  I've had failures 
>with the aluminum retainers, and I believe they were made from 7075, 
>about as strong as you can get.  Contact Jerry Barker, he's on this 
>list and should be able to help since they are the same as Spitfire.
>Chuck Gee
>Blacksmith Racing
>Spitfire
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:15 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
>
>
>I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
>advantages.
>
>I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
>by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.
>
>Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
>sources.
>
>I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
>little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
>term.
>
>One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.
>
>These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
>strength than the T6061.
>
>Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
>suppliers alloy valve caps?
>
>If you do, then please tell me!
>
>I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
>technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
>valve
>retaining caps and/or cam followers.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Lion
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 11:56:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
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References: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>
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Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at  
least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California  
cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.  
I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks  
like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between  
Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat  
square state just above California. California would the the state  
that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of  
questions that people are generally too polite to ask.

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On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,  
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a  
>> gonna be no big deal.
>>
>>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true  
>> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it  
>> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>>
>>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives  
>> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
>
> Ernie....
>
> You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is  
> OK).
>
> Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in  
> attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations  
> Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent  
> Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici  
> always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring  
> some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to  
> produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume  
> records, should they choose to.
>
> At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude  
> Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to  
> previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New  
> York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese  
> from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very  
> nice as well.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May  8 12:23:11 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:23:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fwd:  Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
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Thanks, Bill, I appreciate the info.  Sorry to hear Helen isn't doing well.
 
BTW, I think you might have meant to send this to the list instead of just
me ?
 

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From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:04 AM
To: ryoung at navcomtech.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6


In a message dated 05/08/2007 11:46:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
ryoung at navcomtech.com writes:




But, I haven't seen Ken recently; and his web site seems to be gone; so I'm
not sure BFE is still in business.





Amici...

Ken is alive and well, but his wife has been ill, hence he is not always
available.

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May  8 13:06:50 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:06:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
References: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c791a4$08c8f440$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Further Cheese info:

Of course you know that after an earthquake out here on the left coast, the
cows produce cottage cheese...sorry, couldn't resist in light of previous
cheese related emails.

Gary
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ernest Husmann
  To: Bill Babcock ; KEVIN LYNCH
  Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com ; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com ; N197TR4 at cs.com ;
fot at autox.team.net ; Gary ; tstrange at new.rr.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Movie Night


  Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no
big deal.

  I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land will
represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not
looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.

  Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self
proclaimed land of happy cows.

  Ernie

  Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:


    Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll bring
a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a cheese challenger
should certainly do so or forever hold their peace (piece?). I believe a nice
Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there
white wine, yah sure.


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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:11:27 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:11:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F9A9A503B9BD07A72BFD4390440@phx.gbl>

Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running 
from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already 
had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest 
Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along with 
several others).  Do they still make cheese in 
Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


>From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>To: BillDentin at aol.com
>CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, JWoesvra at aol.com, tstrange at new.rr.com, 
>fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
>
>Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
>least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California
>cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
>I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks
>like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between
>Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat
>square state just above California. California would the the state
>that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of
>questions that people are generally too polite to ask.
>
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
>You can subscribe to my Blogs
>Via email:
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>Sub=168304
>
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>
>
>On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a
> >> gonna be no big deal.
> >>
> >>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true
> >> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it
> >> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
> >>
> >>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives
> >> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
> >
> >
> > Ernie....
> >
> > You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> > OK).
> >
> > Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> > attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations
> > Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent
> > Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici
> > always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring
> > some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to
> > produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume
> > records, should they choose to.
> >
> > At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> > Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to
> > previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New
> > York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese
> > from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very
> > nice as well.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> >
> >
> > **************************************
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:16:37 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: Re:  Movie Night
Message-ID: <BAY102-F285FF0A07CCF75146CB0DE90440@phx.gbl>

>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:17:48 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: Re:  Movie Night
Message-ID: <BAY102-F134F3DCAD03ADDD3F2CE1C90440@phx.gbl>

Corrected,


>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to Canada,  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue May  8 13:23:42 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:23:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7448372B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<Oregon cows are not gay>>

Not that there's anything wrong with that (for the Seinfeld fans).



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:57 PM
To: BillDentin at aol.com
Cc: Klynch_6 at msn.com; JWoesvra at aol.com; tstrange at new.rr.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night

Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California cows
are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks like
California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between Boston and
San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat square state just
above California. California would the the state that looks a lot like a
pickle, which probably answers a lot of questions that people are
generally too polite to ask.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna
>> be no big deal.
>>
>>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese
>> land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be
>> said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>>
>>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from
>> the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
>
> Ernie....
>
> You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> OK).
>
> Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager

> at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as

> well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of

> Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.

> Know that WISCONSIN will continue to produce the country's finest
> cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they choose to.
>
> At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous
> events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It
> was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay
> cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very nice as well.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
> **************************************
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 14:15:22 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <641651.6475.qm@web58914.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yeah I know but those left coasters can't tell.
   
  Hopefully the cheese I bring will at least get an honorable mention after people taste the resources of Mr. Brick.
   
  

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  
Ernie....

You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is OK).

Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they choose to.

At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very nice as well.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May  8 16:05:11 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 00:05:11 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
Message-ID: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

This is great.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 17:05:14 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:05:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>

I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little  
more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

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On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:

> This is great.....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue May  8 17:33:33 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 18:33:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cranks
Message-ID: <15577794.1926771178667213670.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

>Sorry to bomb the list...

For  those folks who have ordered the Custom Cranks..

As of today they have been ..... from the actual words from the factory...

"roughed out and at first heat treat and way out from delivery" .
 

Mordy

M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
gmt-8 Pacific time
626.358.1616 voice
626.628.3777 fax


From dave at microworks.net  Tue May  8 17:43:40 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070508234435.EDJD22040.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

The only thing that would have made it better is if the video had 
begun with him pulling up to the Toll booth and paying his 15 Marks 
to drive round the 'Ring.

Like Alonso in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbqR-KmLJ_w

At 04:05 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:
>I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
>more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 19:58:28 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:58:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>

Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the  
car didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.
Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
> more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> Sub=168304
>
> or Via RSS
> Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
> AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour
>
>
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
>
>> This is great.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
>> _______________________________________________
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 20:17:29 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-shirts now for sale
Message-ID: <BAY123-F2CC66E9C45613763AA52DBA3B0@phx.gbl>

Ok fellow FOTrs time to order shirts.  Ted Schumacher has agreed to make a 
run of FOT t-shirts for us. These will be the same t-shirts we did for the 
Road Atlanta event a couple of years ago. They will be 100% cotton and ash 
in color. The front will be the current FOT logo silk-screened in full color 
and the back will have Never Be Beaten By Equipment and Kas Kastners 
signature silk screened across the shoulder blade area in black.  The left 
sleeve will also have FOT screened on it. The cost for the t-shirt will be 
$14.50 for sizes up to and including Xlarge. XXlarge and larger will cost an 
additional $1.50 per shirt per each X. XXL + $1.50, XXXL + $3.00.  $4.00 
from each t-shirt will go into the FOT fund that is maintained by our 
fearless non leader Joe A. to cover miscellaneous FOT expenses that pop up 
every now and then. The minimum order will have to be 72 shirts.

Here is how the ordering process will work. I will compile a list of orders. 
When the list is finalized I will forward it to Ted with all the details. 
Once I have gathered all the orders I will post something on the list saying 
it is time to pay Ted for the shirts and YOU will have to contact Ted (TS 
Imported Automotive 108 South Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Phone 
419-384-3022, or email tedtsimx at bright.net) and give him your method of 
payment info to cover the price of the shirts and shipping cost. Here is 
what I need from you: An email to trmarty at hotmail.com with shirt order in 
the subject line. Give me your name, address, how many t-shirts and what 
sizes. The price per shirts will be within plus or minus $1.00 of the prices 
I quoted you above because there is no way to do final calculations until we 
get a final count on the total of shirts ordered. Shirts can also be picked 
up at the Mid-Ohio event at the end of June. Please note that there WILL NOT 
be extra shirts made so if you want a shirt you have to order it at this 
time.  The cut off date for the orders is June 16th.
Thanks,
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue May  8 22:34:20 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:34:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
	<AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070509043934.XKXO2758.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

It wasn't and BMW was intentional not running the car at speed.

Here was the write up that ITV did on the run

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39093

"...Heidfeld was instructed not to take any risks
and to slow for photo calls on each of his three
laps, so his best lap of 8m34s  more than two
minutes shy of the outright track record  was
not indicative of what a modern F1 car might be capable of.

The ride height of the F1.06 was raised for
maximum ground clearance on the uneven surface
and the car was fitted with unusually hard demonstration tyres.

Despite short gear ratios Heidfeld clocked 170mph
the long Dvttinger Hvhe straight  but admitted
he was itching to take the car closer to the limit.

Id really like to have emptied the [fuel] tank, he said..."

At 06:58 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:
>Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the
>car didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
>You can subscribe to my Blogs
>Via email:
>All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
>http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
>Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
>Sub=168304
>
>or Via RSS
>Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
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>
>
>
>On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
> > I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
> > more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
> > Bill Babcock
> > billb at bnj.com
> > bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> >
> > You can subscribe to my Blogs
> > Via email:
> > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> > Sub=168304
> >
> > or Via RSS
> > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
> > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
> >
> >> This is great.....
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> billb at bnj.com
> >> Fot mailing list
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May  9 01:07:53 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:07:53 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
	<AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c79208$c3b7e130$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Heidfeld did have demonstration tires on to slow him down.
He did 4 laps. One fast and the others are guided with camera cars to have
some footage.
The fast lap was very close to the record time Derek Bell did in his Porsche.
If he would have his racing tires on then he would be a lot faster.
The difference between demo tires and racing tires is 10 seconds on a normal
GP track!
So you can imagine how he was slowed down by these tires.

I think after he faced the Nordschleife with his F1 racer he should be able to
win in future. ;-)

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Bill Babcock
  Cc: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife


  Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the car
didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
  bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


  You can subscribe to my Blogs
  Via email:
  All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
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  On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:


    I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
    more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
    Bill Babcock
    billb at bnj.com
    bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


    You can subscribe to my Blogs
    Via email:
    All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
    http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
    Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
    Sub=168304


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    On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:


      This is great.....


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
      _______________________________________________
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Wed May  9 06:30:48 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>

Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
goop.

I have identified two potential issues. First, my exhaust runs extremely
close to the mount. That can't be helping the situation. Heat plus
rubber equals perished rubber.

Second, my rust prevention program seems to be coating the gearbox mount
with copious amounts of rust prevention fluid. Anybody that has ever
paddocked by me knows all about how strongly I must feel about my rust
prevention program... Last October when we ran with the Ohio Porche club
the 911 guy in the garage next to me followed me around with handfuls of
speedi-dry!

I plan on fabricating a shield to keep the oil off the mount, and doing
the modification described by Nick a while back.

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-08/msg00454.html

I think both will help the situation, but I am still suspect of the
quality of these mounts we are getting.


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed May  9 08:16:13 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882090F1E34@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

Henry,

Charles Runyan has a HD mount. I filled it with silicone, kinda like a
gel sole on a running shoe. I only have about 5 days racing on it and it
looks good so far.  I gave up on the welded solution when I determined
that it added to the shaking float bowl issue.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Henry Frye
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:31 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts

Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
goop.

I have identified two potential issues. First, my exhaust runs extremely
close to the mount. That can't be helping the situation. Heat plus
rubber equals perished rubber.

Second, my rust prevention program seems to be coating the gearbox mount
with copious amounts of rust prevention fluid. Anybody that has ever
paddocked by me knows all about how strongly I must feel about my rust
prevention program... Last October when we ran with the Ohio Porche club
the 911 guy in the garage next to me followed me around with handfuls of
speedi-dry!

I plan on fabricating a shield to keep the oil off the mount, and doing
the modification described by Nick a while back.

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-08/msg00454.html

I think both will help the situation, but I am still suspect of the
quality of these mounts we are getting.
_______________________________________________
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Wed May  9 10:10:41 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Findlay, Ohio Cruise In
Message-ID: <4641F281.3050405@bright.net>

Hello list members.
Findlay, Ohio is having a car show/cruise in. This is Saturday, June 2. 
Features include a Danger Brothers concert, trophies, activities for 
kids and more. The city has reserved a parking lot on Main Street for 
British cars. This is a paved lot with about 60 parking spaces. Lot is 
right in the middle of the action. You can cruise, shop, eat or just 
relax. Yes, there will be adult beverages. Details and registration for 
the Findlay event are on the event web site. www.cartunesonmain.com 
Findlay is located on I75. 60 miles south of Ohio/Michigan border at 
mile marker 157.
If we dont have enough British cars for the parking lot, we need to 
release the lot so it can be used for something else. A cut off date of 
Memorial Day week-end needs to be used. Please specify you have a 
British car when registering. The event registrars are volunteers who 
may have no idea that you just signed up with a British car.

The following day is Ft. Meigs British Car Day in Toledo, OH. Come to 
the Findlay event then a leisurely drive the next morning to Toledo. 
About 40 miles. Contact for the Toledo show is Tony at 419/878-2041.

Thank you, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Wed May  9 12:39:52 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <BAY115-F38435932CA6648F0904BD08C3B0@phx.gbl>

Henry,

I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
could be a good breadwinner.

Shane Ingate in Md

>Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
>mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
>goop.

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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Wed May  9 12:54:11 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:54:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <cdf.e9057ca.337372d3@aol.com>

I seem to recall that the E-Ticket Triumph racers out west have a solution 
for this.  You might shout out to Paul Smock or Mordy Dunst.  I'm thinking 
their's are from a Ford or something and bulletproof.  Can't recall...



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May  9 13:05:44 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>

Shane, 

I made Derin (acetal) rear motor mount for our TR4 tranny.

It is the size and shape of the tranny mount pad, drilled through the 
crossmember and secured with bolts and fastened with Nyloks with no compression on 
the Delrin.

The front is stock mounting pieces with the TR4 Torque Reaction Arm that 
limits the EXTREME rotation of the engine, which occurs at FULL OFF throttle and 
braking following FULL ON  throttle.  The TRA does a good job of dampening & 
limiting the rotation of the engine.

Like I told Henry, everyone seems to have a different experience, but this 
works for me. I got tired of failures.

If enough folks are interested in a CoPoly Tranny Mount, I likely could 
produce in quantity. My first one was was done with a circular saw and drill. 

Joe (A)

> Henry,
> 
> I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
> would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
> could be a good breadwinner.
> 
> Shane Ingate in Md
> 
> >Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
> >mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
> >goop.
> 

   </HTML>


From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  9 22:05:01 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
In-Reply-To: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>
References: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>
Message-ID: <920D4188-1ECC-4C0E-9C3C-0BC014526055@bnj.com>

I would think a polyurethane mount would make more sense than Delrin,  
though I realize there are a lot of varieties of acetal plastics  
available. The Delrin I'm used to using would seem to be much too  
hard for any useful shock adsorption.
Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

You can subscribe to my Blogs
Via email:
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On May 9, 2007, at 12:05 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Shane,
>
> I made Derin (acetal) rear motor mount for our TR4 tranny.
>
> It is the size and shape of the tranny mount pad, drilled through the
> crossmember and secured with bolts and fastened with Nyloks with no  
> compression on
> the Delrin.
>
> The front is stock mounting pieces with the TR4 Torque Reaction Arm  
> that
> limits the EXTREME rotation of the engine, which occurs at FULL OFF  
> throttle and
> braking following FULL ON  throttle.  The TRA does a good job of  
> dampening &
> limiting the rotation of the engine.
>
> Like I told Henry, everyone seems to have a different experience,  
> but this
> works for me. I got tired of failures.
>
> If enough folks are interested in a CoPoly Tranny Mount, I likely  
> could
> produce in quantity. My first one was was done with a circular saw  
> and drill.
>
> Joe (A)
>
>> Henry,
>>
>> I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
>> would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
>> could be a good breadwinner.
>>
>> Shane Ingate in Md
>>
>>> Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
>>> mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
>>> goop.
>>
>
>    </HTML>
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From budscars at msn.com  Thu May 10 20:24:15 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] free herald engines
Message-ID: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>

Hello gang...2 free Triumph Herald engines..must be picked up very
soon...Oakland Calif. .contact Bruce John at bjohn at bart.gov
Racer bud


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:14:47 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:14:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F9A9A503B9BD07A72BFD4390440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F25FB035DCCE057CC48F77590440@phx.gbl>

Sorry, meant to say from Mexico to Canada.....................


>From: "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
>To: billb at bnj.com, BillDentin at aol.com
>CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, 
>tstrange at new.rr.com
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
>Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:11:27 -0600
>
>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison
>
>
> >From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> >To: BillDentin at aol.com
> >CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, JWoesvra at aol.com, tstrange at new.rr.com,
> >fot at autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
> >
> >Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
> >least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California
> >cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
> >I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks
> >like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between
> >Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat
> >square state just above California. California would the the state
> >that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of
> >questions that people are generally too polite to ask.
> >
> >Bill Babcock
> >billb at bnj.com
> >bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> >
> >You can subscribe to my Blogs
> >Via email:
> >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
> >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
> >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?
> >Sub=168304
> >
> >or Via RSS
> >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse
> >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour
> >
> >
> >
> >On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a
> > >> gonna be no big deal.
> > >>
> > >>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true
> > >> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it
> > >> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
> > >>
> > >>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives
> > >> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie....
> > >
> > > You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> > > OK).
> > >
> > > Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> > > attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations
> > > Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent
> > > Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici
> > > always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring
> > > some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to
> > > produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume
> > > records, should they choose to.
> > >
> > > At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> > > Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to
> > > previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New
> > > York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese
> > > from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very
> > > nice as well.
> > >
> > > Bill (Damdinger)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Fri May 11 00:07:02 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:07:02 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MS Dewey search
Message-ID: <002001c79392$987bffc0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Came across this in a forum. The new way of search.
Take care that you don't get into a hurry if she insists

http://www.msdewey.com/


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 05:22:27 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:22:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-F45B307BCBD27937B291D2BA390@phx.gbl>

I will be out of town for work next week and then at MOTRAH at RA for the 
weekend so if you email me a t shirt order and do not get an acknowledgement 
be patient, I will get caught up when I return.

Thanks,
Marty

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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 05:52:41 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Group,

                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  

Jim




      
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 05:55:54 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <20070511115554.88706.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Should have said " Has anyone had any experience positive or negative with using gapless rings?

----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 9:52:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings

Hi Group,

                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  

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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 11 07:37:45 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tom Householder
Message-ID: <00ae01c793d1$8f7361e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

Hey Tom, you out there, I need some TR race history and you da man!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com


From herald948 at aol.com  Fri May 11 07:38:31 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] free herald engines
In-Reply-To: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>
References: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <8C961E8CCAB9A25-9D0-779E@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: budscars at msn.com

  Hello gang...2 free Triumph Herald engines..must be picked up very
soon...Oakland Calif. .contact Bruce John at bjohn at bart.gov
Racer bud

==AM==
Darn, that's my kind of deal. Trouble is, driving 6000 miles round trip 
makes it less cost-effective. :-(

--Andy  Mace (wrong coast for these engines)

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From herald948 at aol.com  Fri May 11 07:43:20 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C961E978F9B4AC-9D0-77DD@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au
To: fot at autox.team.net
  Hi Group,

                  Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
gapless rings?

==AM==
I put them (TotalSeal conversion of Grant rings purchased from The 
Roadster Factory) in an "overhauled" 1147cc engine back in '96, for a 
Spitfire ex-race car that we used to autocross. I was very happy with 
them. But it's not like I have thousands of miles or great numbers of 
total hours on the engine, so I can't testify as to durability (haven't 
really done anything with the car since 1999).

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 07:57:19 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <190758.65831.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Andy

Thanks so nothing bad yet! The manufactures sings their praises but I have read some negatives as well. They sound like a real good thing.

Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: "herald948 at aol.com" <herald948 at aol.com>
To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 11:43:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings


-----Original Message-----
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au
To: fot at autox.team.net
  Hi Group,

                  Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
gapless rings?

==AM==
I put them (TotalSeal conversion of Grant rings purchased from The 
Roadster Factory) in an "overhauled" 1147cc engine back in '96, for a 
Spitfire ex-race car that we used to autocross. I was very happy with 
them. But it's not like I have thousands of miles or great numbers of 
total hours on the engine, so I can't testify as to durability (haven't 
really done anything with the car since 1999).

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 11 08:47:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
Message-ID: <c03.107073b1.3375dc1b@cs.com>

Marty

I have several inquiries that were sent to me and I will eventually forward 
to you to compare with your orders and to follow up as necessary.

FOT,   subject Grey vs White

I am wearing a Grey FOT shirt today. As Ted points out, you give up the 
official white in the coat of arms.

We did this before, so why not again. I suspect the majority would go for the 
grey. I vote for the Grey. I know that Bill Dentinger would.

Joe (A)   </HTML>


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 09:16:24 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:16:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <279632.87767.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good morning,
   
  Everyone attending the Motrah 
   
  I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the FOT can paddock together. I plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the help of Jack Whoehrle to get me in.
  I will be setting up a small tent for a social area and securing enough space for us to get all the rigs and cars in one area. 
  To do this I need to know who all would like to be in the FOT area. So far the list I have is quite small, it consists of
   
  Alexander, Joe
  Babcock, Bill
  Barr, Scott
  DeLap, Dennis
  Fridirici, John
  Gehweiler, Dan
  Kramer, Robert
  Sukey, Marty
  Washatko, Allen
   
  If anyone else is coming, I would appreciate it if you would let me know 
   
  Name
   
  Race car
   
  Tow vehicle and trailer size (including if you need immediate access to your trailer, which side your awning is on if you plan to use it etc..)
   
  Tents you wish to set up
   
  Arrival time (approx) 
   
  This will let me lay everything out once so we can all have plenty of space 
   
  Any Semi-trailers (Bill Hart comes to mind)  The ground I believe is level enough there to pull in with a large rig if you wish, or there is hard surface pit area available at the track also  I will not be setting up hard surface area, so you will be on a first come basis on that one.
  The area we are moving in to will have a lot more competition than we have had before for our paddock space, so I do not want to try to reserve a lot more space than we will realistically be using.
  I am still building engines, so any help getting info to me, to make this easier will be greatly appreciated.
  Joe, if there is a special that we would like to show off in the reception area, please let me know as soon as possible.]
    I do not believe we will have electricity in this area, as we have in the past, so generators may be something to bring along 
    I will try to have one or two spaces clear in my shop at home (45 min to 1 hr away) if we need to work on any serious problems.  Its a small shop, but it is warm, dry, lighted, and occasionally has British beer in the fridge. , .....  not that I would encourage consumption of alcohol prior to a race ...  (I think its 1.2 hrs bottle to throttle isn't it?????)
    A separate email will come to those on the list so they know I have their info, and what all I have.
  Thanks in advance,
   
   


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 09:23:25 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:23:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
In-Reply-To: <c03.107073b1.3375dc1b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F187A590B5A448A6576B96DD2390@phx.gbl>

Whether you print them on whit or gray... they wind up gray anyway (unless 
you wash them with the red socks then they wind up pink)!

YMMV;O)


Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:55 EDT
>
>Marty
>
>I have several inquiries that were sent to me and I will eventually forward
>to you to compare with your orders and to follow up as necessary.
>
>FOT,   subject Grey vs White
>
>I am wearing a Grey FOT shirt today. As Ted points out, you give up the
>official white in the coat of arms.
>
>We did this before, so why not again. I suspect the majority would go for 
>the
>grey. I vote for the Grey. I know that Bill Dentinger would.
>
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri May 11 10:01:05 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:01:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thermostat - Old style - for sale on ebay
Message-ID: <46449341.8040700@greenheart.com>

These things are rare and for those that like them because they make the 
bypass operate as designed...   there's one on e-bay England.  --Justin
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200108766982&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Fri May 11 10:17:47 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:17:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <ccb.f0d84eb.3375f12b@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:16:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good  morning,

Everyone attending the Motrah  

I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the  FOT can paddock together. I 
plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the  help of Jack Whoehrle to get 
me in.
I will be setting up a small  tent for a social area and securing enough 
space for us to get all the rigs  and cars in one area. 
To do this I need to know who all would like  to be in the FOT area. So far 
the list I have is quite small, it consists  of


Tom,
 
I will not be there until Thursday, but Carl Jensen is your contact on Wed.  
His cell is 561-379-7751 and mine is 803-463-5388.
 
Carl says you can get in anytime on Wed.
 
Jack Woehrle
 



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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri May 11 14:41:36 2007
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <002901c7940c$c4d8f620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>

We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The Roadster
Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
group would be appreciated.

Tim


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 11 14:49:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:49:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <661A4FAA.56BC8483.00159EE9@cs.com>

Our best experience so far is Ted Schumacher's offering.  I have had mine in the car since the late 90s.  Methinks care must be taken to present moisture from entering a 'weep' hole. Over the winter the result is some parts that become frozen.  Just happened to us, but cleaned it up and back in business.

The Gustafson unit may be just as good, but the wires should be stabilized with a little silicone, for use in a race car.  Your mileage may vary.


Joe Alexander



"Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

>We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
>reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The Roadster
>Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
>group would be appreciated.
>
>Tim
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 11 14:57:34 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
References: <002901c7940c$c4d8f620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>
Message-ID: <012301c7940f$008c3f40$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

Ted Schumacher can hook you up.  He's on this FOT list.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tim Murphy
  To: 'FOT'
  Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:41 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4


  We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
  reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The
Roadster
  Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
  group would be appreciated.

  Tim
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 11 15:46:22 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <cfc.f4f5baa.33763e2e@aol.com>

Another vote for Teds starters. He supplies the GOOD ones...
Glen



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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri May 11 15:49:10 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:49:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starters
Message-ID: <cd7.fa9c794.33763ed6@aol.com>

I agree with buying from Ted,
The problems I've seen with the other starters is that they are reconditioned 
instead of brand new.  No rebuilder bothers to replace the fixed contacts so 
after a bit of wear the big disc doesn't reliably close the contacts to spin 
the starter.  Spend the extra for one you know is new!  IMHO...Steve





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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri May 11 15:58:38 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:58:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
References: <cfc.f4f5baa.33763e2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601c79417$8a31d9f0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Roger That!

--Rocky Entriken

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To: <jsnook at wcnet.org>; <timmurph at fastbytes.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4


> Another vote for Teds starters. He supplies the GOOD ones...
> Glen
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 17:47:16 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
In-Reply-To: <ccb.f0d84eb.3375f12b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <486030.82283.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can we get into the padddock anytime on Thursday as well?
   
  Dennis

JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:16:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good morning,

Everyone attending the Motrah 

I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the FOT can paddock together. I 
plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the help of Jack Whoehrle to get 
me in.
I will be setting up a small tent for a social area and securing enough 
space for us to get all the rigs and cars in one area. 
To do this I need to know who all would like to be in the FOT area. So far 
the list I have is quite small, it consists of


Tom,

I will not be there until Thursday, but Carl Jensen is your contact on Wed. 
His cell is 561-379-7751 and mine is 803-463-5388.

Carl says you can get in anytime on Wed.

Jack Woehrle




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From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri May 11 18:37:44 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:37:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>

I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  
m


>From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
>Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 06:52:41 CDT
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] gapless rings

>Hi Group,
>
>                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 11 18:41:20 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs. net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>

Total Seal gapless rings are available for TR4 engines.

I have used them and quite honestly couldn't tell the difference. 
Guys at my shop tell me that they don't see any difference in hp but 
they last longer and the power holds up longer.

At 07:37 PM 5/11/2007, Gasket Works USA wrote:
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.
>m
>
>
> >From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
> >Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 06:52:41 CDT
> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> >Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
>
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
> gapless rings?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 19:11:13 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:11:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] motrah entries
Message-ID: <679553.92299.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John, Henry, 
    Jack D has asked that I contact you ...  If you would like to paddock with the FOT at Road America, please let me know what you will be bringing.
    I need to stake out expensive real estate for our paddock area, therefor I need plot dimensions for each person.  This area is crowded, (and popular) and I cant block off more than we need, but I'd like to have enough space for everyone.
    If you would send me info on what you are bringing as far as tow vehicle, trailer (that can be put elsewhere or must stay with race car), do you plan on putting up a tent and if so, tent size and any special requirements ...  
    Thanks, I appreciate it.
   
   
  Anyone else...............
    If you would like space with the group, please get this same info to me so I can mark off real estate for you ....  
    The sooner the better as I wont have a lot of time to spend emailing back and forth to each individual....  
   
   


Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri May 11 20:15:49 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs. net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <E1Hmh93-0002WM-00@pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 08:37 PM 5/11/2007, Gasket Works USA wrote:
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.

TotalSeal will make any size you want.  I used them on my
(now Tony Drew's) TR-4 for years.


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri May 11 20:18:06 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <E1HmhBG-0000GN-00@pop-knobcone.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 08:41 PM 5/11/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>Total Seal gapless rings are available for TR4 engines.
>
>I have used them and quite honestly couldn't tell the difference.
>Guys at my shop tell me that they don't see any difference in hp but
>they last longer and the power holds up longer.

Yeah, that's the key there - if you check leakdown numbers,
the performance doesn't degrade anywhere near as quickly.


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Fri May 11 20:32:54 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:32:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Starters & gapless rings
Message-ID: <3973516.5460981178937174496.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

I have Ted's starters on both of my race cars and two of my street Triumph's. I would not buy any other kind. Trouble free and I am talking years. So long I can't remember when I bought the first one. Bought it years ago at The Summer Party fron Ted's booth.

I also run total seal rings in the #2 ring position on all by race cars. The TR3 had over 90 race hours before the last rebuild and the leak down was from the valves and not the rings. They even converted my Deves rings to gapless. The last time I needed some they were out of the blanks and it would be a few weeks. I had plenty of #2 rings from previous rebuilds and they said send them in and they would convert them. Got them back in a few days.

Dean


From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Fri May 11 22:57:46 2007
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 04:57:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] motrah entries
Message-ID: <051220070457.21598.4645494A000563310000545E22092246270E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net>

Tom: My TR is being brought to Road America with Bill Hart's Devin/TR. I have a consulting assignment in Milwaukee Monday thru Thursday so I was lucky that Bill was also going back. Tony Garmey is bringing the vehicles back in a 5th wheel two car trailer with a pretty good size cab. The trailer needs to stay with the race cars due to tools, etc. I've cc'd Tony on this e-mail so he can give you more precise dimensions. 

Appreciate the invite!

Regards, John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> 

John, Henry, 
  Jack D has asked that I contact you ...  If you would like to paddock with the FOT at Road America, please let me know what you will be bringing.
  I need to stake out expensive real estate for our paddock area, therefor I need plot dimensions for each person.  This area is crowded, (and popular) and I cant block off more than we need, but I'd like to have enough space for everyone.
  If you would send me info on what you are bringing as far as tow vehicle, trailer (that can be put elsewhere or must stay with race car), do you plan on putting up a tent and if so, tent size and any special requirements ...  
  Thanks, I appreciate it.


Anyone else...............
  If you would like space with the group, please get this same info to me so I can mark off real estate for you ....  
  The sooner the better as I wont have a lot of time to spend emailing back and forth to each individual....  





Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From jibjib at att.net  Fri May 11 23:53:27 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:53:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

Even if they don't stock them, they will take your existing rings and cut
them.  I had the second compression ring from a set of Deves rings cut by
Total Seal 7 or 8 years ago.  Back then it was $5 for set up and $5 for each
ring.  It was no sweat to risk $45 + the cost of the rings.  

While I have not checked my compression or leak down lately, I have had no
problems in my street/AutoX TR3 with BFE's 87mm kit.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:38 PM
To: Friends of Triumph; Jim Cun
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings

I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Sat May 12 05:55:59 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:55:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <cac.1055dc63.3377054f@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2007 6:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes:

Can we get into the padddock anytime on Thursday as well?
 
Dennis



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat May 12 08:33:40 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>

I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to get 
a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can also 
get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that part number.
Larry Young

>Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat May 12 08:55:11 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:55:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4645D54F.7080904@pobox.com>

Oops, that's the part number for conventional rings, the gapless ring is 
T9416.  For 89mm use T2675-1.  These are for pistons with 1.5/1.5/4.0 mm 
gaps.

Larry Young wrote:

> I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to 
> get a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can 
> also get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that 
> part number.
> Larry Young
>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>>
>> I didn't know these were available for Triumphs. 


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat May 12 11:05:44 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheels for someone
Message-ID: <d69.68a32aa.33774de8@aol.com>

Amici,
I'm forwarding the attached E-mail in the event any of you are interested.  
Nothing to do with me so contact her direct with questions.

Steve


Hi Steve, don't know if you remember me. I was the one looking for stuff for 
my husbands TR6.
We got just about everything from Goodparts in PA. Thanks for all your help!
I was wondering if you might come across anyone interested in a set of wire 
wheels.
This is a complete wire wheel conversion kit.
The wheels are Dayton Chrome Wire Wheels 15x6, the rear wheels are laced for 
a 1/2 inch more negative off set (outward). Gives the car a much better 
stance, as the original stance is narrower in the rear.
New adapters, studs & lug nuts. Three ear knockoffs (which are not available 
anymore).
This also includes the original painted wire wheels 5 of them which includes 
the spare tire on a painted wire.
In all 9 wheels and 5 tires.
The Dayton wires were custom ordered and only have 2000 miles on them. They 
are like new!
$1500.00.
The conversion should take someone about 2 hours to do.
Thanks!
 

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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat May 12 15:12:04 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <20070512211205.75248.qmail@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Larry, 
        I have a order Custom JE ultra light slipper skirt with 2 ring gapless top. Thanks very all every ones input it has been of great assistance. No negatives from what I have read so thumbs up!
 
Jim



----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, 13 May, 2007 12:33:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings


I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to get 
a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can also 
get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that part number.
Larry Young

>Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  
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From scypher at usa.com  Sat May 12 15:43:03 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zenith Stromberg LP/IT Race Setup
Message-ID: <C961EAF9-184B-4116-9130-2E0B726C47D8@usa.com>

In the next week, I need to build up a carb (CD150) for the spit.  I  
have the ZS Haynes guide, Kas's first book, and the comp prep  
manual.  What other "tricks of the trade" should I look at doing,  
that may not be mentioned in the guides?
I have plenty of spares and needles to go through, so if there are  
particular parts that are better to use than others, I would  
appreciate someone sharing some information.  The only race carb I  
have was through-bored and the butterflies soldered, and all the  
bypass/temp/etc controls plugged off.

I'm also looking for a source for just carb float needs; I have  
plenty of gaskets, but almost no carb float needs to use in a rebuild.

As a final note, I am targeting the June 8th school at Gingerman.  If  
any of you follow the prod board, you'll know I bought out another  
racers car and setup, and installed my motor in it, and fired it up.   
The frame/roll cage I had been working on, I determined was not save,  
and the cage would need to be redone.

If anyone is looking for a frame/tub with a log-book history from the  
70's, I have that one, plus another that came from the other racer's  
buy-out.  Its the old drummond frame, for those of you who know of or  
remember the drummond brothers.

Thanks for listening
-Scott


From Labs0808 at aol.com  Sun May 13 04:26:11 2007
From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 06:26:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] request for a locate
Message-ID: <d46.9072f4a.337841c3@aol.com>

Does anyone know How to find Robert (bob) Nuzzo. 
I last heard he lived in Illinois but I can't find him. I recently  purchased 
a 
1958 corvette he restored and race in the early 90s. 
 Thanks 
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sun May 13 18:36:32 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] triple webers on GT6 - Triumphtune manifolds
Message-ID: <001901c795bf$ebbd1c80$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I am starting to assemble the above and found the first problem - the linkage
rod goes through the castings with nylon (?) bushings, which needless to say
do not line up three in a row, and the rod binds.  Should I just cut the
castings, drill and tap for rod ends with adjustable height (of course, I
still need to get them lined up in one plane!), or is there a better
solution?


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun May 13 22:59:36 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
Message-ID: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>

#197 is finally running and is trailered

The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.

They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.

Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.

All is right with the world and it is Midnight.

See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder

Joe A   </HTML>


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:42:32 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F3AF05176EFAEE149B1ACBD23E0@phx.gbl>

>#197 is finally running and is trailered
>
>The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.
>
>They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.
>
>Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.
>
>All is right with the world and it is Midnight.
>
>See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder


I can't wait!

I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell bridge?

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon May 14 07:40:42 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F3AF05176EFAEE149B1ACBD23E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483AAA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 << I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell
bridge? >>

I just can't imagine it.  I'm sure it's an improvement of a sort, but I
really loved standing inside the old metal-sided bridge and listening to
the big bore cars thunder underneath.  Even better if you could stand on
the uptrack side of the bridge and peak through a crack to watch the
cars burst out from underneath.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:43 AM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sunday Night

>#197 is finally running and is trailered
>
>The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.
>
>They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.
>
>Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.
>
>All is right with the world and it is Midnight.
>
>See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder


I can't wait!

I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell bridge?

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
>
>
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Mon May 14 07:45:56 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:45:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
Message-ID: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I want to bring that up again because I have some news about.

I've installed a new cam and tappets last year and now some of the tappets
don't look good and one is damaged.

I had a talk with a famous German cam manufacturer (Schrick) and they say that
tappets should be very slightly domed to handle geometrical imperfections. You
can run flat but it is better to have a dome less than 0.002mm (0.000079").
If the cam has a taper grind then you can have a dome of 0.004mm (0.000157")

The tappets on the market seems to have 0.007mm (0.00275") dome which could be
too much and a cause to cam failures. Depends on the cam if there is a taper
grind on.
So I think the better idea is to grind them flat and give them a slight dome
by hand on a lathe with fine sandpaper....

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: "'Larry Young'" <larry.young at pobox.com>; <Fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumph_marx at freenet.de>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: Tappet talk


> Actually, that's pretty much exactly what I said. A dome will help if it
> serves to move the contact patch off center. On a TR3/4 engine the cam is
> offset from the centerline of the lifter. If you have a domed lifter and an
> offset cam it will move the contact patch more towards the centerline of
the
> lifter, reducing the amount of lifter rotation.
>
> Note in the picture that the domed lifter does NOTHING to induce rotation
by
> itself. The first picture showing no rotation has a domed lifter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young [mailto:larry.young at pobox.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:57 PM
> To: Fubog1 at aol.com
> Cc: Bill Babcock; fot at autox.team.net; triumph_marx at freenet.de
> Subject: Re: Tappet talk
>
> Maybe a picture will help.  This is out of a Ford design manual -
> http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/CamTaper2.gif (do we believe Ford or
> Mercedes?). Keep in mind that the figure is greatly exaggerated.  With a 50
> to 60 inch radius, the total height of the crown is less than 0.002.
> Lobes in a TR4 engine are offset about 0.050 from the lifter bores.
> (Sorry Chris, all dimensions are in inches).
> Larry
>
>
> >In a message dated 1/6/2006 3:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >BillB at bnj.com
> >writes:
> >
> >I can't  visualize how doming would help rotation unless it was moving
> >the contact  patch off center in a cam/lifter pair where the cam lobe
> >was centered over  the lifter.
>
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon May 14 07:54:04 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820919E7A9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

Bad news from Texas. After a distressing weekend working on the car I
had to make a decision not to take the car. I thought I had fixed a
problem that showed up after I blew a head gasket tha last time out at
TWS. After that I found that all 4 intake valves had stuck and that the
reason I was blowing head gaskets was worn out threads in the head stud
holes. After I replaced the threads with Timeserts on the 6 holes on the
top of the block I restarted the car and found it to be very noisy.
After a protracted diagnosis I found that the camshaft was bad with a
lot of excess end float. So I replaced this obviously bad part and
readied the car in other ways for the race. When I started the engine
after replacing the camshaft it sounded pretty good but was a little
noisy. The noise would go away over 2000 RPM. The next time I started
it, this past Saturday it was even noisier. I replaced the oil since it
still had some water in it but that didn't help. After pulling the head
again and rechecking all that I can check it still sounds the same. I
should have pulled a piston when I had the head off. So after all that
it looks like I had more than one problem and the camshaft wasn't the
only cause of the noise. At this point I'm thinking I damaged the
piston/wrist pin bore when it overheated at TWS. I don't have the time
left, or the parts to fix that. It is possible that it is just piston
slap which might not lead to a catotrophic failure, but I don't want to
take that chance. Net result I'm not bringing the car. I am very bummed.

I had a crew of 4 coming with me. I think there is a good chance that we
still might make the trip just to come watch. Does anyone have spare
crew passes?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May 14 08:04:24 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:04:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <d28.bf49d08.3379c668@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 8:54:32 AM Central Daylight Time, 
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

Please Come!  

Give me names of those needing passes and I'll see what I can do.

You need a vacation after all of that. Cant think of a beeter one than Road 
America

Joe (A)

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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May 14 08:25:26 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:25:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <cf3.10128986.3379cb56@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 8:54:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

I had a  crew of 4 coming with me. I think there is a good chance that we
still  might make the trip just to come watch. Does anyone have spare
crew  passes?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North  IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx  512-272-9365


Bob,
 
We will of course give you a refund. We will also let you have as many VIP  
passes as you need.
 
Jack Woehrle
SVRA



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May 14 08:35:55 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:35:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <cb5.10b92847.3379cdcb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 9:34:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

 
That is great. I will  probably still come because I planned the trip with my 
son and a couple  of friends. One friend was sick all weekend so he may not 
come. I'll get this  car to an SVRA event soon. I promise.
Thanks for the  refund. If I can't latch on as crew I'll look you up. Strike 
that,  I'll  look you up anyway.



I wonder if one of these FOT guys has a spare motor????
 
Jack Woehrle



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 08:56:51 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] crew pass
Message-ID: <645667.2677.qm@web58912.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Anyone have a spare crew pass or two available for this coming weekend?
   
  Ernie

 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May 14 19:05:49 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:05:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fridaly Night Ticket for Dinner
Message-ID: <c9c.fcbf602.337a616d@cs.com>

FoT,

I lost one of my entourage, but gained two more.

Does anyone have an extra dinner ticket that I can buy?

Thanks,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Mon May 14 19:41:11 2007
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
References: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000601c79692$1e553240$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2>

I regret that I won't be there this year. With my move north to Kentucky and
my son Sam's spinal fusion surgery a few weeks back, I found it just too
difficult to make this year's event.

I know you guys will have a blast! 
See you next year!

Mike

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:00 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night

#197 is finally running and is trailered

The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.

They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.

Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.

All is right with the world and it is Midnight.

See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder

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From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 05:56:00 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
Message-ID: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1 while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?
   
  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15 really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX. Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives would affect oil pressure.
   
  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they that important in a street engine?
   
  Thoughts???
   
  M

       
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May 15 06:16:00 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:16:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <200705151216.l4FCGMYU210798@ns3.geneseo.net>

As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
who helped with this search.

uncle jack 



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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May 15 06:30:13 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:30:13 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
Message-ID: <003601c796ec$ca0dd1a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Maybe too much advance?
Or the rod's big end is out of round?

Cheers
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent rod,
been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would wear?
Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?

  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought it
was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when they
start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX. Followed the
oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives would affect oil
pressure.

  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?

  Thoughts???

  M


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May 15 06:32:23 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:32:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <003901c796ed$16de9550$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Wow...that's great news.
I'm very happy that Keith has a Kastner car.
Hope it will win at RA.

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews
To: chris at tr4-racing.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS



As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.


The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
that would prove it.


We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.


Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.


BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.


We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
who helped with this search.


uncle jack




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 15 06:37:29 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:37:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <c85.145e0b0f.337b0389@cs.com>

Jack & FoT,

INCREDIBLE NEWS!!!!

Larry Rossi is actual from near Stowe, Vermont. 

It was a conversation with Kas that led me to pose the questions about it's 
provenance. After telling Kas a little bit about the history of the 
Spencer/Rossi/Files TR4, Kas suggested that this 'might' be a Sebring car, as Spencer 
took possession of one or two of the Sebring cars. 

Certainly all of FoT can be excited about the find and uncovering of such a 
historical car. 

Since Keith is here in the US to race his "SEBRING" TR4 and Kas & Peg are 
currently en route to join us, it makes it all the more sweet.

Kas will be able to make the final inspection at this time.

Yee ha!

Joe Alexander



  


> As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
> to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
> Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
> car from new.
> 
> The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
> by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
> for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
> showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
> of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
> this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
> that would prove it.
> 
> We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
> the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
> underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
> line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
> bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.
> 
> Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
> getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
> more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
> and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
> engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
> welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.
> 
> BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
> straight up.
> 
> We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
> Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
> Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
> who helped with this search.
> 
> uncle jack 
> 
> 
> 

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From tsheach at pba.co.uk  Tue May 15 08:22:17 2007
From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:22:17 +0100
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <E1HnxqB-00016W-6a@esau.t-mobile.co.uk>

Fantastic news! Great to hear that another genuine car has survived .....
Drive carefully.

My best wishes to all for the big weekend.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: 15/05/07 13:32
Subject: Re: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

Wow...that's great news.
I'm very happy that Keith has a Kastner car.
Hope it will win at RA.

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews
To: chris at tr4-racing.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS



As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.


The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue May 15 08:42:24 2007
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <BAY136-DAV109CED47CCCB076F1739A3C83D0@phx.gbl>

Hi All-

First: YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!

I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story for
The Vintage Triumph

Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
history with the car.

I almost certainly have photos of Jim Spencer racing the car at Watkins Glen
and perhaps other tracks.

Where is the car going to be when Keith isn't here to race it?

Very exciting!

Mike Cook
10 Hawthorne Rd.
Wayne, NJ 07470

973 835-9079
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack W. Drews
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:17 AM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kas kastner; trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
who helped with this search.

uncle jack



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue May 15 08:48:55 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:48:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
References: <BAY136-DAV109CED47CCCB076F1739A3C83D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c79700$299b3460$0301000a@Chowdown>

Now you'd better drill out that hole again! ;)

~Steve

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack W. Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:17 AM
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kas kastner; trhouse at greenapple.com; 
> fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
>
> As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
> to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
> Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
> car from new.
>
> The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
> by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
> for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
> showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
> of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
> this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
> that would prove it.
>
> We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
> the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
> underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
> line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
> bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.
>
> Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
> getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
> more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
> and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
> engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
> welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.
>
> BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
> straight up.
>
> We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
> Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
> Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
> who helped with this search.
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May 15 09:28:10 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:28:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
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That's really cool!  I think Jon may be related to Sherlock Holmes...
 
You guys have a great time at Motrah.  Us West Coast (including Vegas) racers are envious and wish we could be there.  If you get a chance, look up a VARA member out there with you racing a Sprite.  His name is Gerald Allen.  Ask him about the Triumph frieght train that went by him at the British Extravaganza last weekend.  He'll probably say that he let us by because he was saving his motor for Motrah.  I like our version of the story much better!
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
 
 
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Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS


As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
who helped with this search.

uncle jack 



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May 15 09:47:15 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:47:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <bff.174f82cc.337b3003@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/15/2007 9:38:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
mlcooknj at msn.com writes:


> I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
> historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story 
> for
> The Vintage Triumph
> 
> Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
> history with the car.
> 
> 

Mike...

Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with SVRA 
at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for you. 
 Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with the 
car.

Bill Dentinger



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 10:12:45 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
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Bill:
   
  If someone could introduce me to Mr. Rossi, I have already told Mike that I would be happy to bring my cameras to RA and take photos.  I could also forward contact information.
   
  Ernie

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/15/2007 9:38:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
mlcooknj at msn.com writes:


> I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
> historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story 
> for
> The Vintage Triumph
> 
> Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
> history with the car.
> 
> 

Mike...

Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with SVRA 
at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for you. 
Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with the 
car.

Bill Dentinger



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 15 11:19:59 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:19:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <d00.fa25ef3.337b45bf@cs.com>

He no longer on the FOT List but I am in contact with him.

Joe


> Mike...
> 
> Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with 
> SVRA at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for 
> you.  Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with 
> the car.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 

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From tr5racer at btinternet.com  Tue May 15 16:02:19 2007
From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:02:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
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As I am coming over from the UK to drive the car in the Enduro on Friday I am more than pleased that the cars provenance has now been verified.
   
  According to an old Sports Car Graphic of mine, Jim Spencer finished 5th overall and won his class in a TR4 at the 1964 Badger 200 Enduro at Road America in 1964. Do you think this was also in Keiths car?
   
  See you all Friday.
   
  Regards
   
  Mike Hughes

       
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From jibjib at att.net  Tue May 15 21:25:45 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
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Mark,

Is it possible that #1 big end isn't getting enough oil?  I know the engine
oil pressure is good, but perhaps there is a restricted passageway coming
out of the crank.

Also, what does the wear look like?  Is it even across the journal or offset
to one side?  

This is purely conjecture on my part.  I have not experienced uneven wear
like you described.

Jack

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Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent
rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would
wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?
   
  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought
it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when
they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX.
Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives
would affect oil pressure.
   
  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?
   
  Thoughts???
   
  M

       
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May 15 13:39:51 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:39:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <006201c79728$ce5c7400$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello All:

Several months ago the subject of modern oil formulations and their effect on
our flat-tappet equipped engines was discussed here.  One CSRG members, Harlan
Halsey, decided to investigate and found some interesting information.  The
following is a summary of his findings.

Gary
62 TR-4

On ZDDP



When I was a boy growing up on Long Island during the war gas stations sold
oil both in cans and in bulk. Stations usually had three rectangular 40 gallon
tanks with pumps on top at the back of a service bay, and a shelf with
pre-filled 20W, 30W and 40W glass bottles on it. The bulk oil was cheaper, and
although the stations held that it was the same stuff, most people believed
that the canned oil was somehow better. We also watched to see that the glass
bottle was completely emptied into the engine; we wanted every drop we paid
for! By 1963 when I bought my first Porsche, Pennsylvania oils were thought to
be best (Quaker State Racing oil in the engine, Oilzum in the transmission,
AMOCO "no lead" white gas in the tank, and off to Thompson or Lime Rock with
the Lotus). I used Quaker State oil exclusively both on the track and on the
street. But by sometime in the 1970's Quaker State became Pennsylvania "grade"
oil signifying that the base stock no longer came exclusively from the
Pennsylvania wells.  In the 1990's I learned that Kendall Oil was the best
stuff, and used it exclusively until, a few years ago, I heard the Kendall Oil
had changed and that some recent camshaft failures were thought to be traced
to that oil. I changed to Mobil 1 and SWPCO. And then I read several articles
alleging that the Kendall  Oil problem was traced to the reduction of ZDDP. In
the interests of longevity of my 60's era cars I decided to look into the ZDDP
situation. I called and spoke with technical people at The American Refining
Group-Brad Penn Oil, SWEPCO and Exxon Mobil. Brad Penn and SWEPCO were very
helpful. Exxon Mobil, even on their technical line, was not. Here's what I
found:

ZDDP is a molecule which reacts to pressure in such a way as to prevent metal
to metal contact in high pressure places. It will not be easy to replace this
function. This is especially important for "flat" tappet cam followers, and
grows more important the higher the valve spring force. Higher valve spring
forces result from longer duration or higher the RPM, the way 90 HP production
cars were turned into 130HP SCCA "production" race cars in the 60's. Modern
cars are engineered around this by using overhead cams or roller followers, so
we, with older technology, are part of a shrinking market. There may be
substitutes for ZDDP, but as the engine technology has moved on, the effort
toward finding one will not be as it was in the mainstream we were used to.

ZDDP was first added to engine oils sometime between the late 30's and the mid
1940s. All post war high performance cars depend on it. It is an additive for
which they were engineered.

There is a limit to how much ZDDP is beneficial because too much causes
harmful deposits in the engine and can cause piston ring sticking. Between .1%
and .2% by weight seems to be about right.

The current flap over ZDDP probably originated because it was found that
catalytic converter life could be extended if the amount of Phosphorous in
motor oils were to be reduced. But what exactly is mandated, and by whom, is a
bit murky: There seem to be four players in this game; the American and
Japanese car companies, the API (American Petroleum Institute), the ILSAC (
International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee) and Big
Brother. The car companies are interested in longer catalytic converter life
for warranty cost reasons. The ILSAC's purpose seems to be to deal with
current cars and certify oils for those cars. These cars use only 0W20or 30,
5W20or30, and 10W30. The API is a "branding" agency like Good Housekeeping or
the UL. The latest API SM approval follows the ILSAC lower ZDDP only for the
ILSASC oils, not (yet) for the heavier 40W and up oils. This means that the
oil companies can, for the moment, use greater amounts of ZDDP in their 40W
and up oils and still get an API SM rating. It does not mean that they do.

Jim Shannon of the American Refining Group wrote, ".in regards to the
reduction of Zinc dialkyl dithio phosphate (ZDDP, ZnDTP, or ZDP) in the SM
rating . the reduction is the result of the EPA mandated reduction of the
phosphorus content in Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO).  The phosphorus is @ 90%
of the ZDDP additive system.  As a guideline, the phosphorus ppm limits for
most recent API service categories are: SH-1200, SJ-1000, SL-1000 and SM-800.
The primary viscosities involved in these PCMO categories are the lower
multi-vis formulations e.g. SAE 5W-20, 5W-30 and 10W-30.  This is due to the
fact they fall under ILSAC energy conserving viscosity guidelines and are also
the viscosities recommended in the [modern car] Original Equipment
Manufactures (OEMs) owner's manuals."  Thus it is not yet mandated that all
oils have limited amounts of ZDDP. And the appearance of am SM rating does not
necessarily mean that the oil has less than .8% ZDDP.  Some gasoline engine
oils such as Mobil 1 15W50 EP, and SWEPCO 20W50 and 15W40, have "much more
than 1% ZDDP". And diesel engines require ZDDP in the piston pin area because
of high loading, so to date diesel engine oils (API CI-4 and earlier) are
unaffected.

At least three of the smaller oil companies have responded to the ZDDP flap
and continue to produce high (>.1%) ZDDP oils: SWEPCO is one, Motor Head Hi-Z,
is another and Brad Penn Lubricants, producing Penn Grade 1 Racing Oil is a
third. SWEPCO oils and other products can be purchased through Pat Dewitt in
Sacramento (916-996-1072), Motor Head Hi-Z advertises in Skinned Knuckles
magazine (800-242-8649), and Penn Grade 1 Racing Oil is the original Kendall
Oil Refinery advertising in Circle Track magazine (local source is Karmont
Development in Danville, CA.  The contact there is Monte Berney, and he can be
reached at (925) 766-4680; www.amref.com).

Apparently when Kendall Oil was sold, only the brand name went to Conoco
Phillips. The Bradford, PA refinery cannot refine anything other than the
original Pennsylvania grade crude.  Conoco Phillips didn't want it. So the
American Refining Group is operating the Bradford refinery and producing the
original Kendall oils under the name Brad Penn Premium Pennsylvania Grade
Lubricants and producing high ZDDP oils.

Whether the reduction in ZDDP from .1% to .08% will make a difference or not
is unclear. But what is disturbing is that the oil companies' interest is no
longer aligned with ours. We can no longer take it for granted that oil
companies will produce the best oil of which technology is capable for the
price, and that over time engine oils will continually get better, or that we
will know about changes affecting us as they occur. With Big Brother in the
picture, oils may get worse in the future in order to meet some criteria other
than engine longevity. We may not know about it until it is too late. The
Kendall-Conoco-Phillips situation is illustrative: The stuff now labeled as
Kendall is made by another company without any indication of that on the
label. The engineer answering the Mobil telephone technical line (800-662-4525
option 3) refused to tell me how much ZDDP is in the various types of Mobil 1
citing company confidentiality. But he assured me that for now, the API-SL
rated Mobil1 15W50 EP has "much more" than 1% ZDDP. The engineer I spoke to on
a subsequent call about the non EP, API-SM rated version of the 15W50 refused
to give any information about ZDDP levels other than to say that there is more
of it in the EP version. That fact alone is suggestive. But I rather doubt
that if in the future Mobil decides to lower the amount of ZDDP they will let
anybody know.

There are engine oil supplements such as GM's EOS and STP 4-Cylinder Oil
Treatment, but these are not pure ZDDP, and do not specify the amount of ZDDP
in them-if any. So they would seem to be useless for the purpose of adjusting
the ZDDP level in deficient oil. (EOS has been around for ages, it is a
component of Win Lube, with which we faithfully slather our new camshafts. But
since the contents are not disclosed, who knows if today, it is even the same
stuff we have been using?)

One obvious solution is to stock up now on enough of the good stuff to last a
few racing seasons-assuming that vintage racing isn't banned altogether as
contributing to global warming! (In that case, there's always Neville Shute's
solution). If you stock up, you'll have enough time to figure out what to do
until a source of ZDDP is found and we know how to use it, or we find we can
live without it. Who knows, in the future, getting a little ZDDP may become as
exciting as was getting a copy of "Lady Chatterley's Lover" in the 50's.

Harlan Halsey


From BillB at bnj.com  Tue May 15 22:19:40 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:19:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Northwest Contingent
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 I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but there will be a sizable
Northwest contingent at Motrah. I'm in Sioux City Iowa as I type (in a
campground with Nero and Peyote) and I know Tony Garmey is on his way
from Seattle with Bill Hart's Devin Triumph and John James' TR4. See you
all soon.

Bill
On the road.

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Subject: Re: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

That's really cool!  I think Jon may be related to Sherlock Holmes...

You guys have a great time at Motrah.  Us West Coast (including Vegas)
racers are envious and wish we could be there.  If you get a chance,
look up a VARA member out there with you racing a Sprite.  His name is
Gerald Allen.  Ask him about the Triumph frieght train that went by him
at the British Extravaganza last weekend.  He'll probably say that he
let us by because he was saving his motor for Motrah.  I like our
version of the story much better!

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


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Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS


As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 to
go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in Connecticut,
previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased by
Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver for
Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage showed
that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all of Kas'
cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that this was a
genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link that would
prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on the
FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the underhood area
of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler line ran across the
inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp bolted to the inner
fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender more
closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, and it
had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the engine
compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the welder
didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all who
helped with this search.

uncle jack



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From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed May 16 05:34:09 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:34:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Stetler<mailto:tlizzard at msn.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
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  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car


  Thanks for the very informative post.
  I believe that the Red Line oils are still on "our" side as well.

  Seems to me that if this trend continues, and it no doubt will, we will have
to find ways other than obscure lubricant formulations to continue to enjoy
our vehicles.  This will require the acceptance of the situation by the
governing bodies of our sport, to allow modernising to accomplish the goal of
continued operation.  Of course the hardest nut to crack will be conservative
old timers like myself, who really cringe at the thought of modern components
in our old cars.  But given the choice of parking it or using it, I'll side
with using it, even if that means some pretty radical changes to engine
specification.

  Terry Stetler


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May 16 06:18:48 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:18:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Northwest Contingent
Message-ID: <d0a.fd6fc13.337c50a8@cs.com>

Bill Babcock

If you are already on Highway 20....why dont you stop for break in Jesup? Kas 
will likely be be here, but later in the afternoon.

Exit 245 near Waterloo.

We are leaving at 4:00PM for Geneseo, IL (Uncle Jack's)


645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 
319.464.4711


> I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but there will be a sizable
> Northwest contingent at Motrah. I'm in Sioux City Iowa as I type (in a
> campground with Nero and Peyote) and I know Tony Garmey is on his way
> from Seattle with Bill Hart's Devin Triumph and John James' TR4. See you
> all soon.
> 
> Bill
> On the road. 
> 

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed May 16 06:42:12 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road America - East Coasters?
Message-ID: <018701c797b7$a0b27dd0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone going to Road America from the mid-Atlantic this weekend?  I am looking
for someone who has space on the return for four used wheels with tires
mounted on them.  I'm near Philadelphia but will travel to you to get them.


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed May 16 08:32:10 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
References: <006201c79728$ce5c7400$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609664B@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

wow, Who is Harlan Halsey. Dude can write.


From herald948 at aol.com  Wed May 16 08:59:46 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:59:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tornado on eBay
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Anyone see this? Anyone interested? On eBay....

Item number: 150123022580
Item URL:   
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501230225
80&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11>
Current bid:    US $7,500.00 (0 bids)

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Wed May 16 09:34:58 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:34:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <d09.1088e49d.337c7ea2@wmconnect.com>

The most useful information that I have so far found, after a LOT of 
research, regarding the zddp in oil fiasco is at:

<A HREF="www.lnengineering.com/oil.html ">www.lnengineering.com/oil.html</A> 

nb. 

1) GM's EOS and STP's 4-cylinder engine oil treatment (RED) bottle are 
recommended as being able to raise the zddp levels.

2) The Phosphorous is not 90% of the formula, it is more like 60% as the Zinc 
& Phosphorous are synergistic.

3) Keeping a stock of old engine oil may not be the answer either, as I have 
read that the additive package may settle out? 

Apart from that a lot of good work in the previos email by Harland.

Regards

Leon 

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From doddk at mossmotors.com  Wed May 16 12:24:50 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1179338400.10931.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0C457634@kb1.mossmotors.com>

A friend of mine in Santa Monica, CA has been ordered to demolish over
50% of his non-compliance building after 20 years of use. Amidst the
incredible wealth of British parts that have to go is a pretty complete
GT6+ that has been in outside storage for many years. If a home isn't
found very quickly the car will be crushed.

No history on the car and probably no paperwork. The car has a
mismatched bonnet with it, with metal covering the turn signal holes.
There is also some lettering indicating that it may have been a stalled
race car project.
The car could be restored, but a lot of bits such as lamps are missing
so I would not jump on this as a candidate for a lick of paint and sell
for profit.

The car is very buildable and although stored outside as typical in CA
it does not have much, if any (I didn't examine the car fully). It just
looks disreputable as all heck.

I did my bit and hauled home a charity case MGA coupe yesterday. Is
there anyone in the L.A. area that can give this jewel a home?

If seriously interested, please contact me and I can give you a contact
number. I want to vet the calls, as this guy is overwhelmed enough
without having to deal a lot of information calls.

thanks

Kelvin Dodd


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed May 16 13:01:07 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:01:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
Message-ID: <20593546.1179342067986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

If anyone back east wants the car, I could help get it and put it on a truck for someone.  I'm in LA and willing to help with the transaction and shipping.

~Steve Belfer

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dodd, Kelvin" <doddk at mossmotors.com>
>Sent: May 16, 2007 11:24 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
>
>A friend of mine in Santa Monica, CA has been ordered to demolish over
>50% of his non-compliance building after 20 years of use. Amidst the
>incredible wealth of British parts that have to go is a pretty complete
>GT6+ that has been in outside storage for many years. If a home isn't
>found very quickly the car will be crushed.
>
>No history on the car and probably no paperwork. The car has a
>mismatched bonnet with it, with metal covering the turn signal holes.
>There is also some lettering indicating that it may have been a stalled
>race car project.
>The car could be restored, but a lot of bits such as lamps are missing
>so I would not jump on this as a candidate for a lick of paint and sell
>for profit.
>
>The car is very buildable and although stored outside as typical in CA
>it does not have much, if any (I didn't examine the car fully). It just
>looks disreputable as all heck.
>
>I did my bit and hauled home a charity case MGA coupe yesterday. Is
>there anyone in the L.A. area that can give this jewel a home?
>
>If seriously interested, please contact me and I can give you a contact
>number. I want to vet the calls, as this guy is overwhelmed enough
>without having to deal a lot of information calls.
>
>thanks
>
>Kelvin Dodd
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Wed May 16 16:44:13 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:44:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions
Message-ID: <E1HoSE8-0005JZ-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi all,
         I received this today - and since I'm not that up on what
works for a TR-6, I thought I'd send it along.  Please respond
to docmanakos at verizon.net, not me.  I suggested that I was
pretty sure that Moss now carries the brake drums, but couldn't
help much with the rest of his questions.  Thanks for your help.

=============================================

I was wondering if you knew where I could get some aluminum brake 
drums? I read the article by Huge Barber about getting a pair of 
aluminum brake drums for a 240-Z and having them machined for a TR6. 
But when I called his part sources like American Specialty I found 
out that they were bought out by Power Brakes and no longer carried 
forgein parts or machined aluminum drums for that purpose. I can not 
find a web site for American Remanufacturing so I am writing you. I 
was also wondering if you knew of any performance shoes I use once I 
get the aluminum drums.

                             DrSM

Do you have any suspension upgrades for TR6 autocrossing? Some 
suggested spring rates, front back ratio for under/oversteer, sway 
bars, shocks, etc?

=======================================


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 22:54:07 2007
From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <03bb01c79769$e51c0ed0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <789588.15837.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

  Mark.
   
  Considering your previous bad experiences with Ford rods you should check everything on the suspect rod at least three times.  Jack Brooks' recommendation to check the big end for out-of-round conditions makes sense.  Did you happen to check the journal the rod was running on before the crank was turned?  I have previously measured some high mileage cranks and found journals that were slightly egg shaped. 
   
  -Jim  

   
  
Jack Brooks <jibjib at att.net> wrote:
  Mark,

Is it possible that #1 big end isn't getting enough oil? I know the engine
oil pressure is good, but perhaps there is a restricted passageway coming
out of the crank.

Also, what does the wear look like? Is it even across the journal or offset
to one side? 

This is purely conjecture on my part. I have not experienced uneven wear
like you described.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mark eginton
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:56 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent
rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would
wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?

The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought
it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX -> 40 wt when
they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX.
Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives
would affect oil pressure.

Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?

Thoughts???

M


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From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi  Thu May 17 01:19:19 2007
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:19:19 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings
Message-ID: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>

Yesterday I took my Spitfire for the first track outing with a newly 
rebuilt 1147cc engine. After a few sessions the valve clearances started 
to increase a lot, and it appeared that the camshaft had started to 
grind itself downwards in the block.

The camshaft is of large diameter type (1.965" journal dia) running 
without separate cam bearings. The bore in the block is now something 
like 0.04" oversized vertically...

I'd like to keep this block though, as it just received a bit expensive 
re-sleeving. Replacing the camshaft is no problem.

Any suggestions how to proceed? Does anyone know if the cam bearings 
from any other engine would fit the large diameter camshaft? The 
cylinder block could be line bored to fit those.

Regards
Jari
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From chasgee at aol.com  Thu May 17 08:59:40 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings
In-Reply-To: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>
References: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <8C966AB21295324-17C-B9D@WEBMAIL-RE10>

Not that I have found.  But you can fit the 1300/TR6 cam bearings and have the cam bearing journals ground/turned to size.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings


Yesterday I took my Spitfire for the first track outing with a newly 
rebuilt 1147cc engine. After a few sessions the valve clearances started 
to increase a lot, and it appeared that the camshaft had started to 
grind itself downwards in the block.

The camshaft is of large diameter type (1.965" journal dia) running 
without separate cam bearings. The bore in the block is now something 
like 0.04" oversized vertically...

I'd like to keep this block though, as it just received a bit expensive 
re-sleeving. Replacing the camshaft is no problem.

Any suggestions how to proceed? Does anyone know if the cam bearings 
from any other engine would fit the large diameter camshaft? The 
cylinder block could be line bored to fit those.

Regards
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 17 12:36:13 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions
References: <E1HoSE8-0005JZ-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00c201c798b2$3fe4ac20$1a02a8c0@workstation3>

John, the brake drums are available from Victoria British for a 240 Z.  The
center has to be opened a little to fit the hub, assuming you don't have
Z-car axels, and the groove from the back has to be trimmed to fit the
backing plate.
Good Parts(http://goodparts.com/) has the correct autocrossing parts for a
TR6.  I have both the front and rear bars and I'm very happy with them.
Ted Shumaker(http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/) also has some parts that
may interest you and believe he can do some things with spring rates.
Both these companies can provide parts for high performance TR's
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. John Lye" <rjl at gt-classics.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions


> Hi all,
>          I received this today - and since I'm not that up on what
> works for a TR-6, I thought I'd send it along.  Please respond
> to docmanakos at verizon.net, not me.  I suggested that I was
> pretty sure that Moss now carries the brake drums, but couldn't
> help much with the rest of his questions.  Thanks for your help.
>
> =============================================
>
> I was wondering if you knew where I could get some aluminum brake
> drums? I read the article by Huge Barber about getting a pair of
> aluminum brake drums for a 240-Z and having them machined for a TR6.
> But when I called his part sources like American Specialty I found
> out that they were bought out by Power Brakes and no longer carried
> forgein parts or machined aluminum drums for that purpose. I can not
> find a web site for American Remanufacturing so I am writing you. I
> was also wondering if you knew of any performance shoes I use once I
> get the aluminum drums.
>
>                              DrSM
>
> Do you have any suspension upgrades for TR6 autocrossing? Some
> suggested spring rates, front back ratio for under/oversteer, sway
> bars, shocks, etc?
>
> =======================================
>
>
> R. John Lye
>
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 19:10:03 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Calling Aussie TR racers
Message-ID: <BAY115-F72005A10555BE99C295A68C310@phx.gbl>

Guys n' Gals,

Anyone know how I can contact Harry Witham of HRW Racewheel
Engineering?  I've Googled till I'm blue in the face.

He makes 17" minilites, so I'd like to check out their weight
and price.

TIA,

Shane Ingate burning bean oil in Maryland (addictive, doncha know?)

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From RYoung at NavComTech.com  Fri May 18 19:56:21 2007
From: RYoung at NavComTech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:56:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Calling Aussie TR racers
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F72005A10555BE99C295A68C310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070519015621.FPIC10832.mta10.adelphia.net@randall>

> Anyone know how I can contact Harry Witham of HRW Racewheel 
> Engineering?

Try calling 0413131060 in Victoria.

Randall
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From dave at microworks.net  Sat May 19 13:20:32 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:20:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 on the Nurburgring
Message-ID: <20070519192215.TFXS6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0XYHkfsds


From dave at microworks.net  Sat May 19 13:24:50 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Another TR4 at the 'Ring
Message-ID: <20070519192602.MOHC12190.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Another cool video of a TR4 at the 'Ring.  Lots of old Brit stuff on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfKsYXv7SYs


From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 06:13:41 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 05:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <789588.15837.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <426378.89737.qm@web90302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone had an issue with new rod bearings being oversized? I had a crank reground, admittedly it is at the top of the range but it is still within spec - 2.055" (30 under for a stock 83mm motor). When I plastigage the bearings they come in well under .001 clearance. Got the bearings from Brit parts NW.
   
  Anyone ever take material off the back? All my years of building engines, this is the first time I have ever seen something like this...
   
  Mark


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From henry at henryfrye.com  Mon May 21 10:00:38 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
Message-ID: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the lower A-arms to the
frame for a TR4a-6?

TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock since last
September.

Many thanks.

Henry Frye


From ejmajor250 at comcast.net  Mon May 21 17:09:37 2007
From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
References: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <002101c79bfd$1abec6d0$6401a8c0@LoriMajor>

Henry, Try Team Triumph in Warren Ohio.

Scott Harper is the guy, he has a lot of very good used parts at a 
reasonable price.

http://www.teamtriumph.com/

Ed Major
'58 TR3A, '68 TR250


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From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed


> Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the lower A-arms to 
> the
> frame for a TR4a-6?
>
> TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock since last
> September.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Henry Frye
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May 21 18:57:04 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up
Message-ID: <007c01c79c0c$1d669070$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

Now that the Hoosier Speedster has been out for a year and track tested by a
good number of us, I wonder if anyone has arrived a tire pressure settings
that provide consistent performance.  I've tried a variety of pressures from
low to high(22 psi to 28 psi cold) and in all cases, experience increasing
understeer as they heat up during a session.  What have you'all found?

Gary
1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May 21 19:20:12 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:20:12 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up
Message-ID: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:57:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

Gary
1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"

Gary...
 
It takes a lot of guts to have a nickname like "The Flying Brick."  Having 
spent forty years in the masonry business, it would be perfect for me...but 
people would always mispronounce it.
 
Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May 21 19:59:51 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
In-Reply-To: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>
References: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43749626-E63D-4B6E-84D1-617483479E97@bnj.com>

As to the question, I've never found a tire that didn't have  
increasing amounts of understeer as they heat up, but an extreme  
amount is a good indication that your tire pressure is too high. Once  
again I'll tell you the only way to get a good tire pressure is a  
skid pad and a pyrometer, but I'm running 17 cold on Peyote which is  
1550 pounds. I pushed it up a little to 18.5 last weekend at Road  
America because I thought I might get more speed in the straights,  
and there's lots of straights at RA. I did indeed see higher temps in  
the middle and a little more understeer. I outfoxed myself and stuck  
my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave  
Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of  
the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the  
track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top  
speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.

I feel a little stupid.

Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch  
2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti  
in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new  
favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches  
and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left  
the track.

I'll do a writeup on the blog as soon as I have time. I need to get  
to VIR ASAP. Peyote has a vibration at high speed that I don't like  
(perhaps a driveshaft headed south) and a tire carcass got kicked  
into my trailer at high speed today and it screwed up my waste water  
drain lines. Got some wrenching to do before I catch a plane on  
Thursday.

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> In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:57:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:
>
> Gary
> 1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"
>
> Gary...
>
> It takes a lot of guts to have a nickname like "The Flying Brick."   
> Having
> spent forty years in the masonry business, it would be perfect for  
> me...but
> people would always mispronounce it.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 06:02:56 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E4@server.Triumph.local>

I would be remiss if I did not publicly thank Bob Lang, his New England
Triumphs friend Ned Sparrow, and Ernie Hussman for all their help at
MOTRAH. I had a particularly busy weekend, with a R&R on gearbox and a
head gasket.

No way I would have gotten through it all without those guys, many
thanks. I owe you guys...


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 06:08:35 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:08:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>

I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
the stock ones.

Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.

I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 22 07:29:25 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] In-car video from Road America
Message-ID: <20070522132754.AEC21187A02@autox.team.net>

I pulled the video from my camcorder and posted it a couple of 
places.  It's a bit under 22 min.  I'm going to try to edit it down 
to under 10 min for you tube eventually.

My website has the wmv file.  I also uploaded it to google video.

http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyDrewsRA05202007full.wmv
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7361466699989864483

My winter engine rebuild seemed to be particularly successful - tuned 
that baby on the dyno and ended up with more power than I've ever 
had.  In this race, I have an excellent dice with Dr. Dreadful (Rick 
Gurolnick) in a very well prepared Porsche 356.  He passes me on the 
straight early in the race, and I draft him for most of the 
race.  I'm not sure if you can tell in the video, but he was on 3 
wheels in most of the corners as I'm chasing him.

- Tony


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 22 10:08:43 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:08:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
Message-ID: <c49.10beadd2.33846f8b@cs.com>

Bill Babcock !!!!

You got all of the marbles as far as I am concerned. The Bill Ames Memorial 
Plaque is now in your possession.  As the owner of the Peyote, and the builder 
of an AMBRO, this is surely fitting.  

The Seiko Chronograph watch is truly a nice piece that was sponsored by 
Alexander Racing Enterprises (cough/cough) and stacks up with any Rolex that you 
may have, of course.  

Unhappily, Kas was to present this award to you, making a bit more special, 
but the program got away from my control by a Morgan Man...wont happen again.

I watched you haunt and hassle Jahimiak at one session. Jahimiak is a great 
competitor and it would have given all of us great joy in the midwest to have 
you prevail. (That's OK. I hear you got a piece of him in the Tech Inspection 
Line, when you chipped his paint with the Peyote)

Best regards,

Joe Alexander

> I outfoxed myself and stuck  
> my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave  
> Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of  
> the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the  
> track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top  
> speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.
> 
> I feel a little stupid.
> 
> Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch  
> 2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti  
> in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new  
> favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches  
> and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left  
> the track.
> 
> 

   </HTML>


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 10:27:36 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Front suspension question
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E6@server.Triumph.local>

Is the shock tower on a TR4 the same as a TR3?

During the Pursuit Race at MORTAH, the track conditions were between
damp and wet. Coming into Canada Corner I braked but the wheels didn't
really have any grip, so I went hard across the rumble strip into the
gravel trap.

The good news is I grabbed first gear, hooked the car around and drove
out of the gravel, and proceeded to win the race. Even held off a Morgan
+8 in a classic drag up the hill to the checker!

The bad news is I wounded the car. I thought I knocked the front end out
a bit, but it turns out I ripped the front suspension out of the car.
Twisted the shock tower, buckled the brace. No wonder the car wouldn't
turn right...

Had the car down to my fabricator this morning, he wasn't too upset with
what he saw. The plan is to convert the left side to the 4A-6 style
lower a-arm to frame attachment, hence yesterday's post for the
brackets. But he wants to chop off my twisted turret (shock tower) and
replace it with a straight one. I have one from a TR3, but I don't have
a TR4 frame sitting around to compare it to.

Thanks.


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 10:37:11 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
In-Reply-To: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E7@server.Triumph.local>

Thanks to everybody who responded to my plea for help.

Silly me, I opened the Moss catalog, they stock them in Jersey, I'll
have them tomorrow!

Part 855-405, retails at $24.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
>
> Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the
> lower A-arms to the frame for a TR4a-6?
>
> TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock
> since last September.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 22 10:37:38 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:37:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>

FOT,

On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing. 
We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and 
everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files & 
Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that is. 

Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and 
went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little more 
tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.  

Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines. 
We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe 
invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so well.

Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend. 
Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time with his 
road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko 
Chronograph)

Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo, 
rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.

More later,

enuff for the moment.  what's your story?

Joe  



   </HTML>


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 22 10:49:53 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E4@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <521672.48197.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com> wrote:    I and Ernie Hussman 
  
 I owe you guys...
     
  Henry, 
    if I remember right ... I think Ernie said he drinks blatz or black label or something like that ....   did I get that right Ernie????
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:49:48 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:49:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 1 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174749.EB367187ABF@autox.team.net>

Hi Everybody,

We have just arrived home in the UK after what can only be described as one
of the most wonderful racing experiences that I have had in the last 20
years.

Some of you may know that I purchased my TR4 from Larry Rossi in November
2005 and ran it for the first time at Road America in May 2006 with mixed
success (actually more failure than success as we broke 2 heads, the
transmission and, ultimately, put a rod through the block!!!). We went away
from RA last year vowing to return and do a bit better next time :-)

Over the last year Jon Wood of Classic Racecraft in the UK built a new
engine and transmission for the TR4 whilst Jack Drews just about rebuilt
everything else from rear axle through to new cooling and exhaust systems.
As usual, despite ordering my new crank 2 days after returning to the UK
last May, it eventually arrived late February (so what happened to the
promise of a 6-10 week lead time; maybe Farndon meant months!!!!). Jon
worked his usual magic and turned everything round so that the engine and
transmission were ready for shipping by the end of March; unfortunately this
meant that I had to air freight them both which at 330kgs was a bit of a
shock to the wallet - for those with an interest in these things it cost USD
$1300. 

Joe Alexander and Jack had a trip to Chicago to pick up the crate and
despite the usual song and dance routine with Customs eventually got
everything back to Geneseo for Jack to install everything and have the TR4
running after 2 days; what an amazing guy is our Jack.   

Btw the crate is a work of art and was a one-off build by a UK company
designed to protect all the components and to meet the very strict US
regulations, Joe has this stashed away in one of his storage units and I am
sure it will come in use again some time in the future. 

End of part 1


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:50:54 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:50:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 2 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174855.6DA44187ABF@autox.team.net>

Part 2

Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to
visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup,
Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst
Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see
it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!!
Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the
rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-)  

We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his,
Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We
got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that
model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12
Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 

The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe
and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just
left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was,
sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening.

Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his
trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst
his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was
getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30
and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues,
deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was
unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after
Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick
Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to
burst.

OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10
but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the
suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very
rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for
allowing us time to address the brake light issue).

Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing
oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul
so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr
Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch
travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in
and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in
the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared
into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided
and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage
for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so
thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and
2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump
gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the
32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all
back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 

We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series
Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car,
sorry Mike. 

End of part 2 


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:51:35 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>

Part 3
 
Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided
to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was
returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race. 

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,
managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)    
 
I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.  


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May 22 12:01:23 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
Message-ID: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>

Amici...

I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.

Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the same TR 
powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past week 
end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other claim to 
fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat looks forward to 
exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook (and 
Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still running 83mm 
pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.

Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu

I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I know when 
I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were calling 
him Doctor Starr.  

Bill Dentinger



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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue May 22 12:06:48 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:06:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
References: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c79c9b$f8072430$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

I will second Bill's nomination, but only if Pat agrees to make me work really
hard to beat him, like I had to do this past Sunday!!

Great guy, great racer, and a great addition to FOT.  Welcome Pat!!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: 'fot at autox.team.net'
  Cc: starr001 at umn.edu
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:01 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR


  Amici...

  I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.

  Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the same TR
  powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past
week
  end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other claim to
  fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat looks
forward to
  exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook
(and
  Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still running 83mm
  pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.

  Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu

  I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I know when
  I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were
calling
  him Doctor Starr.

  Bill Dentinger



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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue May 22 12:26:03 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>

In early May there was a test and tune day herre in Seattle at PAcific
Raceways for SOVERN, our local vintage group.  I was privelaged to see Tony
Garmey unload John James' newly recreated TR4 roll off the trailer.  What a
beautiful job he did on the prep of this car.  Did any of you look in the
trunk and see how the fuel cell was held down?  Wow, should a roll over
occur it sure would not come loose.

Glad to hear he ran well.  How did Bill Hart do, what did he bring?  Did
Tony drive also?

On 5/22/07, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> FOT,
>
> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander
> Racing.
> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and
> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows,
> Files &
> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd,
> that is.
>
> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and
> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little
> more
> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.
>
> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the
> sidelines.
> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe
> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing
> so well.
>
> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest
> time with his
> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko
> Chronograph)
>
> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo,
> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
>
> More later,
>
> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue May 22 15:33:49 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
Message-ID: <976818.60061.qm@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers: Here I go again...begging for more parts. On a TR4 there are three pieces of brushed aluminum trim that surround the rear of the cockpit. Does anyone on the list have the drivers side (left side) piece? I have a customer car missing only this piece. Moss is showing them as NLA. I believe at some point they went from chrome to polished aluminum, and it is the aluminum one I'm searching for. Thank you in advance - Ed


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 15:50:54 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More MOTRAH autox
Message-ID: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>

Not only did Tony place second in the prepared class but Jason Sukey took 
1st in the modified class, Bob Lang took 1st in the prepared class and then 
Bob Lang proceeded to pull out a big old can of whup ass and took Fastest 
Time Of  The Day. A good day for the Triumph group.

Marty

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue May 22 15:51:36 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (kaskas at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <27051297.1179870696050.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net>

Sitting in Parachute Colorado after a second day 700 mile jaunt, I agree that Tony did an absoul;tly sterling performance.  Jack?  Now there is a tough guy.  Tough to do the work and tough to beat.  Most folks would have gone home and turned onthe TV.  Not Jack.  Great stuff. Some worrysome things happend in the rain event and sorry for those folks to damage such nice cars.
---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 
> FOT,
> 
> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing. 
> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and 
> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files & 
> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that is. 
> 
> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and 
> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little more 
> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.  
> 
> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines. 
> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe 
> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so well.
> 
> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend. 
> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time with his 
> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko 
> Chronograph)
> 
> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo, 
> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
> 
> More later,
> 
> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> 
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue May 22 16:43:58 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:43:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] More MOTRAH autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1Hqd4q-0004f8-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 05:50 PM 5/22/2007, marty sukey wrote:
>Not only did Tony place second in the prepared class but Jason Sukey took
>1st in the modified class, Bob Lang took 1st in the prepared class and then
>Bob Lang proceeded to pull out a big old can of whup ass and took Fastest
>Time Of  The Day. A good day for the Triumph group.

Congratulations to the Bobstah!


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue May 22 17:02:23 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:02:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller 6/29-30 - 7/1, 2007
Message-ID: <20070522.170224.-341485.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Greetings Amici,
Just a reminder of the Nostalgia Racing event at Miller Motorsports Park
in Tooele, Utah. 
June 29 - 30, July 1, 2007 
With enough Triumph participation we get our own group.
Small Bore cars will run the East Course, Big Bore on the perimeter
course.  Formula cars?
For more information, see http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ .
The Nostalgia Racing folks put on great events. 
They produce an excellent balance of racing, parties, and fun.
The facility is amazing, as well. For details, see,
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/ .
If you are still on the fence:

Tooele, Utah, it just sounds like the middle of nowhere. In reality, it
is 30 miles from the Salt Lake City International Airport. Nestled at the
base of the west slope of the Oquirrh Mountains in eastern Tooele County.
The City of Tooele has the amenities expected in the 21st century, yet
still retains some 19th century details. Tooele County, second largest in
Utah, has a motor sports heritage that goes back into the early 20th
century with the Land Speed Record runs conducted at the Bonneville Salt
Flats.
Larry Miller, having been shot down in his efforts to expand facilities
in Mead, Colorado and rejected by Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is a
major presence, accepted the offer from Tooele County to come and look at
a piece of land they had available. Ninety plus million dollars later,
Larry had a state of the art road racing facility a few miles outside
Tooele. The multi configuration track is capable of hosting two events
simultaneously on two, 2+ mile circuits, run an event on the perimeter
track (on which motorcycles have already averaged above 100 MPH), or the
full, 4.65 mile, 23 corner Pro-Circuit. On top of that, there is a
Go-Kart track with too many configurations to count and dirt hills on
each end for off road activities. Motorcycles can play on the Kart
facilities as well. 
The facility is ready to go to host a United States Grand Prix (with a
few more seats). There are GP garages on pit lane fitted with everything
a prima donna GP team could want. Yes, there are TVs in there. Race
control is likewise fitted with large TV monitors capable of showing
images from cameras fitted around the track. The view from Race Control
is quite picturesque with the Oquirrh Mountains to the left, South
Mountain in front of you, the Stansbury Mountains on your right and the
track in the foreground. Id like to see the place in the Spring when the
grass is green. 
DO NOT miss your next opportunity to visit this incredible facility with
the same sort of amenities we enjoyed at PPIR, just kicked way, WAY up,
and a REAL road course! You will be glad you came.
See you there,
Bill


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May 22 17:36:43 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:36:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller 6/29-30 - 7/1, 2007
Message-ID: <cda.f435314.3384d88b@aol.com>

Thanx for the reminder Bill!  It's gonna be an awesome opportunity to run one 
of the next generations premier tracks.  I sent my entry in yesterday and 
expect to be there Thursday morning before the event.  Steve



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From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue May 22 21:21:21 2007
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] In car video
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>

That's great in-car video, Tony! That's why we love to hate those  
Porsche guys.

You inspired me to finally tackle the challenge of getting some video  
up on a web site for viewing outside of my living room. Here's the TR  
Sprite challenge race from the British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow,  
CA earlier in May. That's Gerald Allen in the Sprite ( he was at RA,  
too), Chuck Gee in blue Spit, Joe Siam in red Spit, and Jerry Barker  
in the Herald. Enjoy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=573568324573407692

John Frymark


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 21:30:39 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
In-Reply-To: <521672.48197.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <522335.72833.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Tom:
   
  Don't even go there, these guys kept me way after my bedtime on Thursday night.  Besides it's Red, White and Blue.

tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  Henry Frye wrote: I and Ernie Hussman 

I owe you guys...

Henry, 
if I remember right ... I think Ernie said he drinks blatz or black label or something like that .... did I get that right Ernie????
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From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Tue May 22 22:40:15 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] spitfire right side rear chrome "v" trim piece needed
Message-ID: <f6a2c639382c3.46538d6f@insightbb.com>

All,

Looking for a right side chrome "v" trim piece.  The bit that is at the rear of the car, vertical, but shaped like "v".  Would like one in good shape, doesn't need to be excellent.

I had a great one...it's probably on the inside of Gateway Internation somewhere by turn 7 where the SRF hit me.

aaron


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May 23 07:35:54 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:35:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Initial Report  Custom Chevy Con-Rod Transplant
Message-ID: <ca5.f16875b.33859d3a@cs.com>

List.

We have not dropped the pan yet, for inspection of bearings, but the Uncle 
Jack Chevy Con-Rod Transplant seemed to work very well in our TR4

Developed by Uncle Jack and Christian Marx, it appears to be a great 
alternative to the expensive Carillos. Christian has over 1500 miles of track and 
street driving on his variation of this transplant. I have nearly 200 miles of 
full throttle racing at Road America, last weekend.

It requires spacers for the pin end to centralize the rod on the journal. The 
crankshaft needs to be reground to a Chevy Spec.

It uses Clevite 77 bearings at an effective cost per four cylinder set of 
about $12.50 per set.

With the narrower con-rod, it requires a slight boost in oil pressure of 
about 10 lbs.

It is not known if Uncle Jack is going to proceed with packaging these 
con-rods for sale. One of the wrinkles is that spacers may vary in length according 
to brands of pistons.

I am pleased at this point, and will report the condition of the bearings 
when we drop the pan to inspect.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed May 23 10:25:46 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 - 4 manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <200705231626.l4NGPwO8264474@ns3.geneseo.net>

I had a sample run of manifold gaskets made to try out. They are now 
on several cars and working superbly.

They solve the problem of leaky manifolds due to untrue manifold 
surfaces and bent / warped / out of alignment exhaust header flanges.

The gaskets are made from compacted graphite, 1/8" thick. They 
compress to half their thickness, so manifolds can be quite bad and 
still seal. They are made by a commercial supplier to speed shops, 
etc to my print. Intake holes are the right size, instead of what we 
get now, and bottom edges are trimmed to eliminate possible 
interference with the top of the block.

As you would expect, they are not cheap, but they solve a problem. 
The price will be $60 for the pair required for one engine. They may 
be reusable but may not. I have mine on for the second time and so 
far, so good, but it will depend on whether or not some of this 
material sticks to the sealing surfaces.

I am going to have a second run made. Anybody interested in being 
included? -- I know that this will appeal to a very small segment of 
the TR market, so I'm asking for a commitment on this one.

uncle jack 



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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:15:48 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 1
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231701380.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Still getting re-settled to the work thing. Yuck. But it pays the bills!

My MOTRAH-007 experience was interesting to say the least. Starting in
FEB., it was fairly evident that getting the car and driver "ready" for
MOTRAH would be a real challenge. The initial thrust was to get Khartu
into "vintage trim" and the driver a shiney new competition license.

But first off - special thanks to Henry Frye (for getting us crew passes),
Dean Tetterton (for providing the passes), Marty and Jason Sukey (for
providing an awesome TR6 to drive) and to the rest of the FOT for all the
fun. WOW.

Blow #1 was the rotten windows and siding on the house. That pretty much
used up available funds for driver school, so the comp. license was out of
the question before March. Darn.

Plan two was to get the red car ready for the drive. I mean it's a TRIUMPH
event, you gotta show up in a Triumph, right? Things seemed to be in good
shape and with the assistance of able-mechanic Ned Sparrow the car was
deemed ready. I even had spares ready for the tranny and diff in case
something happened in the interim. Early April and I'm ready.

Well, not quite. Turns out that the oil filter spin-on housing was not
sealing against the block properly and unfiltered oil was circulating. The
motor isn't toast, but an in-place bearing check/change may be in order. I
didn't have time to build another motor to drop in. Bottom line - red car
was out too.

Oh well. Plan three was the daily driver. But it goes naught to 60 in a
tad over 6 seconds, so it should be a fun haul. Plus it gets 30+ mpg on
the motorway. Owing to the blow to plan 1, camping was in order, so we
dusted off the tents and bags and stuff and headed to RA early on Tuesday
with a goal of arriving at RA in time to help early arrivals some
assistance for the open practice. The trip out went without incident
although fuel prices were quite high in the mid-west. We didn't see $4
premium, but we did see $3.99.9 - so it was close. Seeing that the
"driver" has a smart computer, we opted for mid-grade fuel. It really does
make a difference in the performance.

To be continued...

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:29:48 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231716190.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Once we established camp in the paddock, Ned (Sparrow) and I headed out to
see Road America. I've been there a few times, but this was Ned's first
trip to the place. RA is BIG. Compared to local tracks (Lime Rock and
NHIS), it's really big.

Back at the paddock, we helped Henry change tires to stickers and
installed new brake pads so he could bed them during the next practice. We
put a tag on the dash to remind Henry.

Henry thanked us later for the tag. Turns out that as he blasted out of
the paddock for the practice, he had NO PEDAL (no surprise there!) but the
reminder tag helped him realize what was going on before he bailed.

Pretty soon after we got our crew passes and camping thing taken care of,
we headed to turn 5 to watch the Group 1,3  practice. After only a few
laps, Henry wasn't circulating and more so we headed back to the paddock
to see what we could do.

The oil breather was white-foam. Argh - head gasket! Henry tried a
re-torque. On a subsequent session that fix proved inadequate and Henry
had to replace the head gasket. But we cleaned up as best we could and got
the car ready for the FRI am practice (brake change only - the scubs
stayed on).

Oh - the tranny was popping out of gear. Ernie H., Ned and Henry took
care of that with a spare. The motor was still pushing water, so Henry
took the head off in prep. for a new head gasket.

Somewhere in there, we haded out for track tours in the Saturn. Yee ha!
The FRI tours are fun 'cause there's quite a few less cars circulating. We
got at least 12 laps. Managed 80 through the kink at one point. Kewl.

FRI night was the MOTRAH cookout - lots of fun Ned and I walked the
Motorplex track - the site of the SAT autocross. Hmmm, there were a few
straights that were more then 150 feet. Should be some good speed in
sections. Kewl.

Continues...

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:54:42 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:54:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 3
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231729510.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

SAT AM - We made sure that Henry and Dean were in good shape for the day,
and I headed over to the autocross. Things were a tad disorganized, but we
managed to get cars running by 10. The guy that organized things had been
out running the course on FRI and was pretty sure the fast times would be
about 1 min. Prophetic, as it turns out.

The first group was stock cars. There were some pretty cars running
including a Plus Four Plus and some Bugeyes. The Plus 8's looked to be the
real threat in the event and two guys got in the 1:05 range. One guy in a
Plus 8 had two really gnarly spins and came really close to "tripping" the
car in a spin across the curbing. Yikes!

The third run group had the "fast" cars, Modified and Prepared. Marty /
Jason Sukey had thier awesome TR6 and Craig Anderson had a really kool
100-4 on slicks. Craig was wearing an SCCA Solo '95 Topeka T, so he's
"been around". Tony "I'm running everything this weekend" Drews has his 
TR4 there too. The drill was that we'd get two practice runs to find the
course and then run three timed runs.

First runs out were uneventful and Lang turned a 1:01 on the second
practice lap. Timed events went really well and after the first timed
runs, It looked like either Tony of Craig would get Top Time of the Day.

On the second runs, Marty got "lost" at the top of the hill, Jason had a
wild spin with BIG SMOKE from the tires. It was 5.9 on a 6 scale. Lang
lost it on the second sweeper and the flag / worker started running when
the driver pegged the throttle so as not to stall in the spin. The run
sucked, but even with a spin (and full stop), it was a 1.08. Damn!

Tony was sitting at FTD with a 1:01 and change, I think about .8 or so.

I'm not sure what happened next, as the Sukey-mobile was dripping a tad
from the oil breather. and we were busy looking at that and getting
drivers in / out of the car for runs.

At any rate, last to run was Lang. I think Craig turned a slightly faster
1:00 maybe a .8. Tony was right there too. So a 59 was the mark. According
to observers, the run looked slow, but the timing folks read out the time
to Lang: 59.8. FTD. WOW. Exciting stuff.

The rest of the day was spent taking pix, making the autocross awards
(the FTD trophy was not done yet, but I got a botle of wine and a nifty 
medallion). The MOTRAH qualifier was WET. There was some attrition -
Dennis Delap had an off at 7. The car was in rough shape. But Dennis was
okay. The Aero 8's were cleary "ringers" - next time we gotta get Sam
Halkias in his E Prod TR6 or Bill Warner in the TR6 or TR8 or Vern in the
Slagle cars out there. Bill Babcock was looking good in Peyote, but so was
Alan Washatko in the TR6. Alan had an off at 14 bent some steel and the
steering rack - but he was back in the AM for the feature.

Last event of the day was a persuit race - owing to the rain, a lot of
cars didn't take the green. But Henry, Randy Williams a Plus 4 and Kermit
in a Morgan trike did. Henry managed to take the lead with about 2 laps to
go, but had an off at Canada slipping back to third. He managed to catch
and pass the Randy and the Morgan and pulled the Mog neck and neck to the
checker. WOW.

(continues)

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed May 23 16:03:17 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:03:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH RESULTS
Message-ID: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>

We missed getting a results sheet for the last Group 3 sprint race. 
It's not up on the SVRA website yet, so would someone who got it 
please send me a scan?

Thanks

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 16:03:14 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 4
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231754450.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

(this is it - really!)

Henry pulled into the paddock with a big grin and a nifty medallion for
his effort. Unfortunately, according to Henry - "the car won't turn
right". Ummm ya, the obvious toe out meant something got bent in the off.
Something turned out to be that the lower control arm mounting bracket was
ripped from the frame and the shock tower was bent back a tad. First
anaylisis was that we could weld it up for the MOTRAH feature, but on
further exam, it was pretty clear that the trailer was the next stop.

Oh well. Off to the SVRA banquet. Then back to camp and the cold.

SUN was fairly uneventful. A lot of folks pulled camp because it was cold
and grey. But as the day progressed, it got warmer and sunnier. I managed
to shoot another pile of pix (about 600 total) from various locations
including 5, 7 and 8 (I got some from 14 on FRI AM) plus some candids.
I'll try to put together a CD at some point, if you're interested, drop me
a line.

All in all, it was a great weekend. Thanks to EVERYONE. I love these FOT
gatherings. Lots of FUN. Maybe I'll even have a TRIUMPH at the next one.

And Marty -  I owe you for the ride. Your car is awesome. 

rml
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:35:23 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <BB8C6255-582E-474B-A06A-29DA2DFFFDC5@bnj.com>

Actually I never use full torque with steel or copper gaskets, but I  
would if I used composite. I got to 75 with steel and see how it  
goes--looking for mayo in the top end. If I get some I go up until it  
quits. I don't run the engine hard until I'm satisfied with the gasket.
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On May 22, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Henry Frye wrote:

> I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
> that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
> on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
> the stock ones.
>
> Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
> everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.
>
> I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
> done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:42:14 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:42:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
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Well I'll certainly second that nomination
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On May 22, 2007, at 11:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> Amici...
>
> I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.
>
> Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the  
> same TR
> powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this  
> past week
> end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other  
> claim to
> fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat  
> looks forward to
> exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff  
> Snook (and
> Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still  
> running 83mm
> pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.
>
> Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu
>
> I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I  
> know when
> I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people  
> were calling
> him Doctor Starr.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:44:40 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
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	<8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92B34378-5A9D-4083-92F3-9A142D5CF600@bnj.com>

Bill drove the Devin--he did well, but the car broke on Saturday-- 
transmixer gave up the ghost. Probably very expensively by the looks  
of the metal in the oil--it's a dog box. Ouch.

Tony didn't drive. I should have had him take Peyote out, but I was  
having too much fun.

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On May 22, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> In early May there was a test and tune day herre in Seattle at PAcific
> Raceways for SOVERN, our local vintage group.  I was privelaged to  
> see Tony
> Garmey unload John James' newly recreated TR4 roll off the  
> trailer.  What a
> beautiful job he did on the prep of this car.  Did any of you look  
> in the
> trunk and see how the fuel cell was held down?  Wow, should a roll  
> over
> occur it sure would not come loose.
>
> Glad to hear he ran well.  How did Bill Hart do, what did he  
> bring?  Did
> Tony drive also?
>
> On 5/22/07, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> FOT,
>>
>> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander
>> Racing.
>> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count,  
>> and
>> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows,
>> Files &
>> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until  
>> June 2nd,
>> that is.
>>
>> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197  
>> TR4 and
>> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with  
>> a little
>> more
>> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.
>>
>> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the
>> sidelines.
>> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack  
>> & Joe
>> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he  
>> is doing
>> so well.
>>
>> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
>> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd  
>> fastest
>> time with his
>> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE  
>> Seiko
>> Chronograph)
>>
>> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to  
>> Geneseo,
>> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
>>
>> More later,
>>
>> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 23 19:30:17 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:30:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH RESULTS
In-Reply-To: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070524012834.0C88D1879C0@autox.team.net>

While folks are at it, a copy of the 3cp, 4, 5 race results would be 
welcome too.

- Tony

At 05:03 PM 5/23/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>We missed getting a results sheet for the last Group 3 sprint race.
>It's not up on the SVRA website yet, so would someone who got it
>please send me a scan?
>
>Thanks
>
>uncle jack


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed May 23 19:45:09 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:45:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick
Message-ID: <000e01c79da5$2996c5a0$16fea8c0@newcomputer>

Folks,

A few weeks ago I posted information about a gentleman in New Zealand named
Roger Herrick who owns an old formula car that formerly was owned by Chris
Amons and was driven by Bruce McLaren.  It has a Triumph Herald rear
suspension and now sports one of my camber compensators.  Roger says he
recently competed in a hill climb and the rear suspension is now quite
predictable and performs very well.

 

At any rate, I inquired at the time if everyone thought this gentleman
should be invited to participate in FOT and several people agreed.  About
that time the list we3nt down and I think Roger got lost in the shuffle.

 

If this is still considered something we should do, I would like him
included in the list.  His email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz.

 

Regards,

Joe C.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 24 06:05:32 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:05:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hey all,

In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
I've got all negative ground cars.

What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?

Scott (B.)


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu May 24 06:09:32 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:09:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79da5$2996c5a0$16fea8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALMELMEGAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I'll second this one :)

kg


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:45 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick

Folks,

A few weeks ago I posted information about a gentleman in New Zealand named
Roger Herrick who owns an old formula car that formerly was owned by Chris
Amons and was driven by Bruce McLaren.  It has a Triumph Herald rear
suspension and now sports one of my camber compensators.  Roger says he
recently competed in a hill climb and the rear suspension is now quite
predictable and performs very well.



At any rate, I inquired at the time if everyone thought this gentleman
should be invited to participate in FOT and several people agreed.  About
that time the list we3nt down and I think Roger got lost in the shuffle.



If this is still considered something we should do, I would like him
included in the list.  His email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz.



Regards,

Joe C.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu May 24 07:35:43 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 lifter diameter
Message-ID: <465594AF.1080406@pobox.com>

Can someone tell me the diameter of a TR6 valve lifter?


From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 08:44:11 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>

>Hey all,
>
>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>I've got all negative ground cars.
>
>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>
>Scott (B.)

What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do with 
the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's 
electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses as it 
fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from airplane 
mags!

John


From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi  Thu May 24 08:45:58 2007
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:58 +0300
Subject: [Fot] In car video
In-Reply-To: <357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>
References: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
	<357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4655A526.6060603@pp.inet.fi>

Inspired by this I also decided to upload some in-car video to Google. 
Please have a look at: 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2854717108194633793

It is from the Historic GTS race in the last summer's "Velodromloppet" 
event in Sweden. Very poor start and some close contact with some 
Italian thing... Anyway, being only 1147cc the Spitfire's not so bad. 
Don't know about the driver...

Regards
Jari
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/

John Frymark wrote:
> That's great in-car video, Tony! That's why we love to hate those  
> Porsche guys.
>
> You inspired me to finally tackle the challenge of getting some video  
> up on a web site for viewing outside of my living room. Here's the TR  
> Sprite challenge race from the British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow,  
> CA earlier in May. That's Gerald Allen in the Sprite ( he was at RA,  
> too), Chuck Gee in blue Spit, Joe Siam in red Spit, and Jerry Barker  
> in the Herald. Enjoy.
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=573568324573407692
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 24 09:04:07 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:04:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to
do with the magneto?>>

You've got me.  I just know that this unit is stamped "Positive Ground"
and the instructions say "Do not install a standard negative ground unit
on an engine having a positive ground."

[included a copy of the instruction sheet, which has an electrical
diagram.  attachment will be stripped from mail to list]

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto

>Hey all,
>
>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>I've got all negative ground cars.
>
>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>
>Scott (B.)

What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do
with the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the
car's electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag
reverses as it fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way
different from airplane mags!

John

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Judson Electronic Magneto Instructions.pdf]


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Thu May 24 09:19:06 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:19:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
References: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<4655ABA5.2010601@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <002501c79e16$ed2f7d10$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Ho Larry,

I just made them dead flat....no dome anymore.
I've measure the cam....flat too, no taper.

So the parts should work fine...

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tappet talk


> Chris,
> I usually see the tappet dome described as a radius and it is usually
> 50" to 100" (1.27 to 2.54 m).  If you go throught the geometry, then for
> a TR lifter of 0.935" (23.75mm) diameter, the dome for a 50" radius is:
> (0.935)**2/50/8 = 0.0022" (0.056 mm).  Did you intend to write 0.07 mm
> (0.00275")?  If so, your number of 0.00275" would correspond to a radius
> of about 40".  I agree this is probably a bit too much dome or too small
> a radius.  I think you should always have tapered lobes.  It is
> important that the taper be matched to the radius on the lifter, so the
> contact point is not at the edge of the lobe.  I usually specify a taper
> of about 0.0025 in/in.  If you go through the geometry, this taper puts
> the contact point on the lifter at a radius of (0.0025)(50) = 0.125"
> (3.18 mm) from the center for a 50" radius or twice that for a 100"
> radius.  TR cam lobes are about 0.56" (14.2 mm) wide, and are offset
> from the lifter center by about 0.05" (1.3 mm), so this taper should
> work well with a lifter radius of 50" to 100". It seems like it would be
> difficult to do this accurately on a lathe.
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
>
> >I want to bring that up again because I have some news about.
> >
> >I've installed a new cam and tappets last year and now some of the tappets
> >don't look good and one is damaged.
> >
> >I had a talk with a famous German cam manufacturer (Schrick) and they say
that
> >tappets should be very slightly domed to handle geometrical imperfections.
You
> >can run flat but it is better to have a dome less than 0.002mm
(0.000079").
> >If the cam has a taper grind then you can have a dome of 0.004mm
(0.000157")
> >
> >The tappets on the market seems to have 0.007mm (0.00275") dome which could
be
> >too much and a cause to cam failures. Depends on the cam if there is a
taper
> >grind on.
> >So I think the better idea is to grind them flat and give them a slight
dome
> >by hand on a lathe with fine sandpaper....
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu May 24 09:25:22 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:25:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 lifter diameter
Message-ID: <c04.17a46921.33870862@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/24/07 6:36:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:

Can someone tell me the diameter of a TR6 valve lifter?

.800



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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu May 24 09:55:58 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <095401c79e1c$05627540$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system 
> have to do with 
> the magneto?

The Judson *ELECTRONIC* magneto is not a true magneto.  It's not connected
to a source of motive power, and hence does not generate it's own
electricity. 

Instead, it's a transistorized electronic ignition incorporated in the same
housing as a (special) ignition coil.  Still works on the Kettering
principle, just with a transistor performing the current interruption
function instead of points.  It's also triggered by the original points.

And connecting it backwards (wrong polarity) will most likely instantly
toast the main output transistor.  Back in those days, they didn't believe
in reverse polarity protection.

Some cars did use true magnetos, similar in operation to aircraft mags.  Was
even a common performance mod back in the 40's.  But the Judson is
different.

Randall 
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu May 24 10:22:07 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <096701c79e1f$ac69fb30$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?

I've not used a Judson, but I did try a similar unit that used the stock
coil.  It's basically just a "points amplifier" with a high-output coil.
Somewhat better than the stock setup, but mostly in the area of easier
starts and better operation with "tired" plugs.  Might buy you a bit more
performance at top rpm where the points are just starting to float (but my
valves floated before the points did).

I'd sell it on eBay, and use the money to buy an optical trigger unit plus a
MSD box.

Randall 
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 14:32:11 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DADB7225-3BBF-4E55-BADD-3EF7A7D11E06@bnj.com>

You beat me to the punch John. I have no idea what a positive ground  
magneto might be since there are NO WIRES to connect to ground. Of  
course the mag uses it's case as ground, but magnetos put out AC. One  
of the symptoms of a mag that's weakening is that one set of  
cylinders runs better than the other--the ones that have the spark  
wire going negative tend to fire easier since the center electrode is  
sharper than the side electrode so a spark doesn't need as high a  
voltage to fire.

Bill Babcock
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On May 24, 2007, at 7:44 AM, John Herrera wrote:

>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>> electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>> thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and  
>> besides,
>> I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have  
> to do with
> the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's
> electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses  
> as it
> fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from  
> airplane
> mags!
>
> John
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 14:33:32 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <559BDB57-BE67-4115-BB3E-9DEFF2DCEB61@bnj.com>

Ahh--I get it, it's not a real magneto. It's an electronic ignition  
system that's pretending to be a mag.
Bill Babcock
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On May 24, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

>  <<What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system  
> have to
> do with the magneto?>>
>
> You've got me.  I just know that this unit is stamped "Positive  
> Ground"
> and the instructions say "Do not install a standard negative ground  
> unit
> on an engine having a positive ground."
>
> [included a copy of the instruction sheet, which has an electrical
> diagram.  attachment will be stripped from mail to list]
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:44 AM
> To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>> electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>> thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and  
>> besides,
>> I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have  
> to do
> with the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the
> car's electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag
> reverses as it fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way
> different from airplane mags!
>
> John
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet- 
> stream which had a name of Judson Electronic Magneto Instructions.pdf]
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu May 24 15:09:44 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
	<BB8C6255-582E-474B-A06A-29DA2DFFFDC5@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <017a01c79e47$da967ab0$280fc548@RWKastner>

Back home in Oceanside from that little 4389 mile hike.

Never used anything but full torque on the head.  That was 105 in increments
of 10 pounds after the first 75 pound start up.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Henry Frye
  Cc: FOT
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] ARP Head Studs


  Actually I never use full torque with steel or copper gaskets, but I
  would if I used composite. I got to 75 with steel and see how it
  goes--looking for mayo in the top end. If I get some I go up until it
  quits. I don't run the engine hard until I'm satisfied with the gasket.
  Bill Babcock
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  On May 22, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Henry Frye wrote:

  > I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
  > that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
  > on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
  > the stock ones.
  >
  > Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
  > everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.
  >
  > I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
  > done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 24 16:41:44 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3doglegs
Message-ID: <613127.81704.qm@web81710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici - I am doing a TR3 restoration. Anyone have the rear quarter panels/doglegs that they would sell?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis DeLap


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu May 24 17:19:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:19:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <cb1.129ec4d6.3387779b@cs.com>

Kas & Peg,   All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

Kas,    I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP 
Presentation in 2008.  

I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone 
could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are several 
of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.  

Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and 
opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

Regards,

Joe Alexander



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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu May 24 18:43:04 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>

You go Gary !!!   Pass that Sauvignon Blanc bro...  Here Jack, try some cheese
whiz...   <grin>

Kev
GT6 #6
RMVR
(S.F. native)
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
  Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
  fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
  25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I
  doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
  great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
  No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
  wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of
  your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
  where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
  time for some Monterey Jack!

  Gary
  62 TR4

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
  To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
<N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
<fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
  Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  > In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
  >
  > Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
  > in
  > some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
  >
  >
  > I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
  > Is
  > there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
Vermont
  > cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
  > No  Way!
  >
  > Jack Woehrle
  >
  >
  >
  > ************************************** See what's free at
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From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Wed May 23 15:48:11 2007
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:48:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH
Message-ID: <052320072148.6789.4654B69B0007257600001A8522092299270E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net>

MOTRAH was the best overall vintage event I have attended in the four years I've been racing! GREAT track, super organization, very friendly folks, and best of all, lots of TR'S and other British makes. Also, met many of the legends in our trade, like Kas and had a chance to see the many well engineered Triumphs out there like Uncle Jack's #59 and Jeff Snook's wesome TR3. Nothing against all the 356's that we TR folks seem to get grouped with in SOVREN, but it was nice to have more than two or three TR4's in DP.

My thanks to Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander for introducing me to FoT and racing TR's with my first TR4, #24, which unfortunately met it's demise last year at Infineon primarily due to driver malfunction.
I thank Chuck Arnold for his nice comments on my current ride, #116, and the super job Tony Garmey of Horizon Racing did over this past winter transforming a TR4 with history back to Boise ID in the late 60's to a great handling vintage racer with great safety features and very professional engineering. 

I had not raced at Road America before and the initial test and tune last Thursday was a bit overwhelming with four miles of track, but I'm pleased to say I did break three minutes with a 2:59.2 + in the MOTRAH feature and had a blast dicing with Sean Alexander the entire race. If we have a MOTRAH event next year, I would plan on attending again with Tony and Bill Hart (Devin TR3) and Tony's father in law, Gene Olson. Thanks Joe Alexander for representing TR's so well at this event and all the other things you do for us.

It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 147 HP at the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've got a good supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??

John James. #116

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> Message: 1 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:50:54 +0100 
> From: "Keith Files" 
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America - Part 2 of 3 
> To: 
> Cc: 'Christian Marx' 
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> 
> Part 2 
> 
> Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to 
> visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup, 
> Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst 
> Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see 
> it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!! 
> Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the 
> rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-) 
> 
> We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his, 
> Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We 
> got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that 
> model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12 
> Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 
> 
> The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe 
> and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just 
> left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was, 
> sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening. 
> 
> Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his 
> trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst 
> his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was 
> getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30 
> and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues, 
> deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was 
> unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after 
> Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick 
> Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to 
> burst. 
> 
> OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10 
> but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the 
> suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very 
> rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for 
> allowing us time to address the brake light issue). 
> 
> Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing 
> oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul 
> so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr 
> Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch 
> travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in 
> and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in 
> the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared 
> into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided 
> and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage 
> for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so 
> thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and 
> 2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump 
> gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the 
> 32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all 
> back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 
> 
> We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series 
> Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car, 
> sorry Mike. 
> 
> End of part 2 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 2 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:35 +0100 
> From: "Keith Files" 
> Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3 
> To: 
> Cc: 'Christian Marx' 
> Message-ID: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF at autox.team.net> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Part 3 
> 
> Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a 
> car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver 
> to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided 
> to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the 
> Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before 
> going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was 
> returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what 
> could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!! 
> Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside 
> of his trousers :-) 
> 
> The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what, 
> the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the 
> wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the 
> tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring 
> the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the 
> outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the 
> inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got 
> out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet 
> weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time. 
> 
> Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the 
> team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served 
> Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to 
> go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song 
> and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I 
> was really ready for the Group 3 race. 
> 
> I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1, 
> took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got 
> to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of 
> cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow 
> of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst 
> he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into 
> turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that 
> I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group 
> which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group 
> at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3, 
> Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the 
> engine went sick again. Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker 
> shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw, 
> managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile 
> on my face. 
> 
> We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure 
> of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-) 
> 
> I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would 
> like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a 
> dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon, 
> Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas 
> and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but 
> nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a 
> close eye on her :-)). 
> 
> There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I 
> would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well. 
> 
> Cheers, Keith & Denise. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 3 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:23 EDT 
> From: BillDentin at aol.com 
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR 
> To: fot at autox.team.net ('fot at autox.team.net') 
> Cc: starr001 at umn.edu 
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> 
> Amici... 
> 
> I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT. 
> 
> Many Midwestern racers will know him well. He has been racing the same TR 
> powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s. He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past week 
> end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others). Pat's other claim to 
> fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years. Pat looks forward 
> to 
> exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook (and 
> Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help. He is still running 83mm 
> pistons and has made no other upgrades. He is looking for ideas. 
> 
> Pat's email address is: starr001 at umn.edu 
> 
> I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota. I know when 
> I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were calling 
> him Doctor Starr. 
> 
> Bill Dentinger 
> 
> 
> 
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:20:26 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:20:26 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America
In-Reply-To: <20070522132754.AEC21187A02@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070522171827.631A0187ABD@autox.team.net>

Hi Everybody,

We have just arrived home in the UK after what can only be described as one
of the most wonderful racing experiences that I have had in the last 20
years.

Some of you may know that I purchased my TR4 from Larry Rossi in November
2005 and ran it for the first time at Road America in May 2006 with mixed
success (actually more failure than success as we broke 2 heads, the
transmission and, ultimately, put a rod through the block!!!). We went away
from RA last year vowing to return and do a bit better next time :-)

Over the last year Jon Wood of Classic Racecraft in the UK built a new
engine and transmission for the TR4 whilst Jack Drews just about rebuilt
everything else from rear axle through to new cooling and exhaust systems.
As usual, despite ordering my new crank 2 days after returning to the UK
last May, it eventually arrived late February (so what happened to the
promise of a 6-10 week lead time; maybe Farndon meant months!!!!). Jon
worked his usual magic and turned everything round so that the engine and
transmission were ready for shipping by the end of March; unfortunately this
meant that I had to air freight them both which at 330kgs was a bit of a
shock to the wallet - for those with an interest in these things it cost USD
$1300. 

Joe Alexander and Jack had a trip to Chicago to pick up the crate and
despite the usual song and dance routine with Customs eventually got
everything back to Geneseo for Jack to install everything and have the TR4
running after 2 days; what an amazing guy is our Jack.   

Btw the crate is a work of art and was a one-off build by a UK company
designed to protect all the components and to meet the very strict US
regulations, Joe has this stashed away in one of his storage units and I am
sure it will come in use again some time in the future. 

Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to
visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup,
Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst
Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see
it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!!
Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the
rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-)  

We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his,
Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We
got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that
model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12
Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 

The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe
and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just
left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was,
sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening.

Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his
trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst
his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was
getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30
and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues,
deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was
unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after
Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick
Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to
burst.

OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10
but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the
suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very
rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for
allowing us time to address the brake light issue).

Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing
oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul
so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr
Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch
travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in
and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in
the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared
into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided
and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage
for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so
thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and
2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump
gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the
32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all
back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 

We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series
Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car,
sorry Mike. 

Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided
to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was
returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race. 

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,
managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)    
 
I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.  


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue May 22 12:21:17 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:21:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
In-Reply-To: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>
References: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0705221121u570eb844j62f19f15fbac8345@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the great posts, Keith.  My biggest take away from them is wow,
posts break.

Why?  How to avoid this?  Is it common for others.  Is it a 4 cylinder
problem, or is it in the 6's also?

Thanks,
Chuck

On 5/22/07, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Part 3
>
> Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
> car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the
> driver
> to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we
> decided
> to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on
> the
> Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
> going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car
> was
> returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage,
> what
> could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
> Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
> of his trousers :-)
>
> The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess
> what,
> the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like
> the
> wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at
> the
> tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
> the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
> outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
> inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
> out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
> weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.
>
> Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
> team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
> Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
> go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on
> song
> and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
> was really ready for the Group 3 race.
>
> I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
> took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I
> got
> to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group
> of
> cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
> of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him
> whilst
> he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
> turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this
> that
> I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next
> group
> which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
> at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
> Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas,
> the
> engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another
> rocker
> shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry.
> Btw,
> managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a
> smile
> on my face.
>
> We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but
> pressure
> of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)
>
> I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I
> would
> like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making
> a
> dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
> Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
> and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
> nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
> close eye on her :-)).
>
> There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
> would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.
>
> Cheers, Keith & Denise.
> _______________________________________________
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 12:42:13 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0705221121u570eb844j62f19f15fbac8345@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070522184014.E1AC4187AEB@autox.team.net>

Hi Chuck,

 

Yep, posts break. Kas had all 3 of his cars come in during one race back in
the 60's with the rear post having broken on all of them so he tells me;
guess we just need to get some stronger ones..

 

Have never had this happen in 20 years of running a 6 cylinder race TR
though.

 

Cheers, Keith.

 

  _____  

From: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 19:21
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Christian Marx
Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3

 

Thanks for the great posts, Keith.  My biggest take away from them is wow,
posts break.

Why?  How to avoid this?  Is it common for others.  Is it a 4 cylinder
problem, or is it in the 6's also?

Thanks,
Chuck

On 5/22/07, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:

Part 3

Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided

to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was

returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside 
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the 
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the 
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to 
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race.

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1, 
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow 
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that 
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3, 
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,

managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-) 

I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon, 
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a 
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Tue May 22 12:07:16 2007
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:07:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
In-Reply-To: <c49.10beadd2.33846f8b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <OFE8EAD9A6.F845FD36-ON862572E3.006316EF-882572E3.006E1072@wilson.com>

Yes it would have been great to see  Jahmaniac get beat. 

 
Regards,
John Reed
Staff Photographer
Wilson Sporting Goods Co.
8700 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA
Tel. + 1.773.490.8908, fax +1.773.714.4585
JReed at wilson.com  www.wilson.com  www.amersports.com
 
 



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05/22/07 09:08 AM

To
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Subject
[Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America






Bill Babcock !!!!

You got all of the marbles as far as I am concerned. The Bill Ames 
Memorial 
Plaque is now in your possession.  As the owner of the Peyote, and the 
builder 
of an AMBRO, this is surely fitting. 

The Seiko Chronograph watch is truly a nice piece that was sponsored by 
Alexander Racing Enterprises (cough/cough) and stacks up with any Rolex 
that you 
may have, of course. 

Unhappily, Kas was to present this award to you, making a bit more 
special, 
but the program got away from my control by a Morgan Man...wont happen 
again.

I watched you haunt and hassle Jahimiak at one session. Jahimiak is a 
great 
competitor and it would have given all of us great joy in the midwest to 
have 
you prevail. (That's OK. I hear you got a piece of him in the Tech 
Inspection 
Line, when you chipped his paint with the Peyote)

Best regards,

Joe Alexander

> I outfoxed myself and stuck 
> my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave 
> Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of 
> the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the 
> track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top 
> speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.
> 
> I feel a little stupid.
> 
> Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch 
> 2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti 
> in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new 
> favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches 
> and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left 
> the track.
> 
> 

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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu May 24 21:44:27 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
References: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005401c79e7e$fe95da50$6401a8c0@TER2>

The Judson unit is not a "Magneto" it is an electronic ignition unit with 
solid state components that are polarity sensitive.
                                                                             
                            Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Herrera" <jrherrera90 at hotmail.com>
To: <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto


> >Hey all,
>>
>>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>>I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>>Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do 
> with
> the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's
> electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses as it
> fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from airplane
> mags!
>
> John
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 21:59:08 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
	<BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C0F35EBB-30E0-459F-B9FC-F5A2075B9D94@bnj.com>

Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook  
cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a  
substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no  
comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill  
Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for  
me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards  
away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.

I never saw it again.

Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.

Bill Babcock
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On May 24, 2007, at 5:43 PM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote:

> You go Gary !!!   Pass that Sauvignon Blanc bro...  Here Jack, try  
> some cheese
> whiz...   <grin>
>
> Kev
> GT6 #6
> RMVR
> (S.F. native)
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
>   To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
> N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
> fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
>   Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>   California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about  
> to pass
>   Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing  
> state in our
>   fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the  
> stuff, that's
>   25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.   
> However I
>   doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads"  
> with those
>   great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football  
> games.
>   No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/ 
> Livermore Valley
>   wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on  
> the edge of
>   your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
>   where you can relive all the great California cheese  
> commercials.  Hmmm,
>   time for some Monterey Jack!
>
>   Gary
>   62 TR4
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
>   To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
> <N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>   Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
>   Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll  
>> throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those  
>> adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california  
>> cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri May 25 04:57:36 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:57:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <052520071057.24663.4656C120000252B3000060572207002953970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> 

> I never saw it again. 
> 
> Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky. 

Hey,
Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
;-)
Irv
(hoping to get some of that cheese at Blackhawk next month)


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 25 05:37:45 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
References: <cb1.129ec4d6.3387779b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c79ec1$1dc86ea0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

I'm always up for the Glen!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?


  Kas & Peg,   All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

  Kas,    I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP
  Presentation in 2008.

  I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone
  could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are
several
  of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.

  Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and
  opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

  Regards,

  Joe Alexander



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 25 06:30:32 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <c5c.12c55594.338830e8@cs.com>

> John James!
> 
> Your comments are really appreciated!
> 
> I was extremely pleased with the outcome and SVRA felt it was a success.
> 
> Jack Drews and Dennis Delap are already on the road to recovery after their 
> mishaps.  Great attitudes that exemplify what we are doing.
> 
> Of course we feel badly about the mechanical failures as it robbed us from 
> seeing some of the best that our Triumphs have to offer. Dick Stockton and 
> Henry Frye come to mind.
> 
> I was particularly proud of son Sean and the way he persevered on and off 
> the track. The last time we checked we were only getting about 120HP to work 
> with on #197. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Joe (A)
> 
> 
> >> MOTRAH was the best overall vintage event I have attended in the four 
>> years I've been racing! GREAT track, super organization, very friendly folks, 
>> and best of all, lots of TR'S and other British makes. Also, met many of the 
>> legends in our trade, like Kas and had a chance to see the many well 
>> engineered Triumphs out there like Uncle Jack's #59 and Jeff Snook's wesome TR3. 
>> Nothing against all the 356's that we TR folks seem to get grouped with in 
>> SOVREN, but it was nice to have more than two or three TR4's in DP.
>> 
>> My thanks to Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander for introducing me to FoT and 
>> racing TR's with my first TR4, #24, which unfortunately met it's demise last 
>> year at Infineon primarily due to driver malfunction.
>> I thank Chuck Arnold for his nice comments on my current ride, #116, and 
>> the super job Tony Garmey of Horizon Racing did over this past winter 
>> transforming a TR4 with history back to Boise ID in the late 60's to a great 
>> handling vintage racer with great safety features and very professional 
>> engineering. 
>> 
>> I had not raced at Road America before and the initial test and tune last 
>> Thursday was a bit overwhelming with four miles of track, but I'm pleased to 
>> say I did break three minutes with a 2:59.2 + in the MOTRAH feature and had 
>> a blast dicing with Sean Alexander the entire race. If we have a MOTRAH 
>> event next year, I would plan on attending again with Tony and Bill Hart (Devin 
>> TR3) and Tony's father in law, Gene Olson. Thanks Joe Alexander for 
>> representing TR's so well at this event and all the other things you do for us.
>> 
>> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 147 HP at 
>> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've got a good 
>> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??
>> 
>> John James. #116
>> 
> 

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 25 06:44:41 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:44:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <200705251244.l4PCipPN221076@ns3.geneseo.net>

Uhhhhh.....by the way, in an earlier message about Keith Files' car, 
it was erroneously reported that he gets 174 hp at the rear wheels. 
That was a typo -- it's really 147, still very respectable (I was there).

> >> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 
> 147 HP at
> >> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've 
> got a good
> >> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??
> >>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 07:56:56 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:56:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <d49.88a910c.33884528@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 1:49:17 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com 
writes:


> Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook  
> cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a  
> substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no  
> comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill  
> Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for  
> me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards  
> away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.
> 
> I never saw it again.
> 
> Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.
> 

Bill

We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it Saturday night.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...the Tillamook was very, very good, and received high praise from 
Cheesemeister Don Brick.  All the cheese served at our Wine & Cheese Attitude 
Adjustment sessions was well received.  Fridirici brought some excellent smoked 
provolone.  Brick brought aged swiss and some awesome bleu.  I brought some mild 
brick.  We went through twenty-eight bottles of wine (including six doubles).  
All high end stuff with names like Fat Bastard, Joe Blow, and Cheesehead 
Special (the wine for the rest of us).  But as always, the creme DE la cream was the 
Italian reds from Wismer's basement.  No Two Buck Charlie stuff there.



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 08:01:40 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:01:40 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
Message-ID: <c19.161a4567.33884644@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 2:38:07 AM Central Daylight Time, 
John.Reed at wilson.com writes:


> Yes it would have been great to see  Jahmaniac get beat. 
> 
> 

We watched Babcock pass him going into six in one of the early sessions.  It 
caught Dave by surprise.  Dave Jahimiak is a very good driver, with awesome 
equipment, and tons of RA seat time.  But I'll tell you what...you give Babcock 
and the Peyote a few more sessions and Doctor J has his hands full.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:12:13 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <C0F35EBB-30E0-459F-B9FC-F5A2075B9D94@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <145031.29270.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Now Bill, it's not that we are sneaky, we were just trying to save Nero from being attached by field mice who might have gone after the first place cheese in the west coast category.  After all, the Tillamook cheddar did receive several favorable comments from the FOT cheese experts.

Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:   Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.    

  I never saw it again. 
  

  Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.    
    Bill Babcock
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 08:15:29 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:15:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:


> Hey,
> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> ;-)
> Irv
> 

Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).  

Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the 2006 
'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he presented it, this was the 
first time the BUBBA award was presented to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack 
even rented a sport coat for the presentation.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can handle it.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:21:58 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
Message-ID: <547714.85748.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill was at his best when he made a great exceptance speech upon receiving the Bubba.  If you have never heard Bill speak, you really missed something.  
  
BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:


> Hey,
> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> ;-)
> Irv
> 

Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression). 

Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the 2006 
'BUBBA' award. And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he presented it, this was the 
first time the BUBBA award was presented to a Yankee. It was a big deal. Jack 
even rented a sport coat for the presentation.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can handle it.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:28:24 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c79ec1$1dc86ea0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>
Message-ID: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's only a short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
   
  Ernie
   
  PS. How come my spell check always wants to change Snook to Snooker?
   
  
Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:
  I'm always up for the Glen!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?


Kas & Peg, All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

Kas, I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP
Presentation in 2008.

I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone
could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are
several
of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.

Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and
opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 25 09:43:52 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:43:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot] The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <cea.101f4e52.33885e38@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2007 9:28:30 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's only a 
> short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
>  
> Ernie
> 

I have three Pacific Northwest guys coming forward and expressing an 
interest, in fact, prior plans. Good start.

Looking for someone who might take a leadership role in organizing. I hope to 
be there, but running out of energy on these things.

Joe (A)   </HTML>


From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:05:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
References: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DEA520B4-D6D7-421E-A22D-DC868B88894D@bnj.com>

It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.

Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately recognizable.

Bill Babcock
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On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>
>> Hey,
>> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>
>
> Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
>
> Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was presented  
> to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat for  
> the presentation.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
> PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can  
> handle it.
>
>
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Fri May 25 10:06:29 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:06:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c24.186cc835.33886385@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2007 8:56:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin  
writes:

Bill

We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it  Saturday night.



OK. That explains why the cheese you were serving Saturday night seemed a  
little bland for REAL Wisconsin cheese!
 
Jack W.



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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:07:10 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0FD4F39B-2F4D-4511-B79D-33EF2FDE1935@bnj.com>

I'll be there twice this year. Not so sure about next year, though I  
might be single by that time with lots of time on my hands.

Bill Babcock
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On May 25, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ernest Husmann wrote:

> Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's  
> only a short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
>
> Ernie
>
> PS. How come my spell check always wants to change Snook to Snooker?
>
>
> Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:
> I'm always up for the Glen!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
>
>
> Kas & Peg, All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.
>
> Kas, I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT  
> KASTNER CUP
> Presentation in 2008.
>
> I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps  
> someone
> could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the  
> Glen....There are
> several
> of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.
>
> Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of  
> ideas and
> opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:08:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c24.186cc835.33886385@aol.com>
References: <c24.186cc835.33886385@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20D2DE16-D6FE-4604-A5CE-9D8AF8AC86B0@bnj.com>

Bland my ass.

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On May 25, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/25/2007 8:56:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> BillDentin writes:
> Bill
>
> We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it Saturday night.
> OK. That explains why the cheese you were serving Saturday night  
> seemed a little bland for REAL Wisconsin cheese!
>
> Jack W.
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri May 25 10:32:40 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:32:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <052520071632.9117.46570FA80009BD2C0000239D2200734840970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> 

> I'll be there twice this year. Not so sure about next year, though I 
> might be single by that time with lots of time on my hands. 
Yeah, but with no money to go racing.
:-)
Irv


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 12:58:11 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <20070525.125811.-223239.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> writes:
> It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.
> 
> Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
> 
> and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
> 
> have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
> since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
> 
> like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
> 
> hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately 
> recognizable.
> 
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> 
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. 
>  
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
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> 
> Sub=168304
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> > emanteno at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hey,
> >> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> >> ;-)
> >> Irv
> >
> >
> > Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
> >
> > Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 
> > 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> > presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was 
> presented  
> > to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat 
> for  
> > the presentation.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> > PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can 
>  
> > handle it.
> >
> >
> > **************************************
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 12:58:11 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <20070525.131006.-223239.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> writes:
> It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.
> 
> Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
> 
> and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
> 
> have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
> since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
> 
> like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
> 
> hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately 
> recognizable.
> 
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> 
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. 
>  
> http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
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> 
> Sub=168304
> 
> or Via RSS
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> 
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> > emanteno at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hey,
> >> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> >> ;-)
> >> Irv
> >
> >
> > Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
> >
> > Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 
> > 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> > presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was 
> presented  
> > to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat 
> for  
> > the presentation.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> > PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can 
>  
> > handle it.
> >
> >
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 13:27:44 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Erroneous messages
Message-ID: <20070525.132744.-223239.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Hitting buttons not intended.
Sorry about that.
Bill


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 25 13:43:09 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plugs
Message-ID: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>

I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run 
some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special 
ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than that.

Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?

Thanks

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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri May 25 15:25:27 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plugs
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV91E03022FCD4CC3057364C32B0@phx.gbl>

Jack, the NGK Irridium plugs are available in a 9 heat range I do believe.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jack W. Drews<mailto:vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:43 PM
  Subject: [Fot] plugs


  I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
  some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
  ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than
that.

  Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?

  Thanks

  uncle jack



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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 16:34:47 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:34:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  MOTRAH-007
In-Reply-To: <200705251244.l4PCipPN221076@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070525223254.C7FF11879F9@autox.team.net>

It was a tease: call it the English sense of humour :-)

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack W. Drews
Sent: 25 May 2007 13:45
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: MOTRAH-007

Uhhhhh.....by the way, in an earlier message about Keith Files' car, 
it was erroneously reported that he gets 174 hp at the rear wheels. 
That was a typo -- it's really 147, still very respectable (I was there).

> >> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 
> 147 HP at
> >> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've 
> got a good
> >> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame
anyone??
> >>
> >> John James. #116
> >>
> >
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 17:13:28 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:13:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
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If you want to stick with NGK then just remember this--going up in  
number is one step colder, so 8 is colder than 7. C is a half step  
colder than no letter, and S is a half step hotter. So a BP8HC would  
be quite a bit colder than HS, and a B9HS would be very cold. NGK  
also has platinum plugs in the range, and they are about the same as  
C for heat range, so a BP8EV would be roughly similar to BP8HC.

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On May 25, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler  
> than that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:20:10 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-Shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-F115AA64C282B6969FF9136BA2A0@phx.gbl>

Just a reminder that June 16th is the cut off date for the FOT t-shirt 
orders. As of right now we are not even close to the minimum order quantity 
so if you are thinking about ordering a FOT t-shirt now would be the time.

Thanks,
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Fri May 25 20:59:32 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Jack,

I run NGK BP9ES plugs in the TR6. I get them from NAPA.

Allen

On May 25, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler 
> than that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From tr5racer at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 21:00:11 2007
From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:00:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <792474.11798.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear All
   
  Although I am still on holiday in Chicago until May 29th, I would just like to thank everyone for a superb weekends racing at Road America. My son Simon and I had a great weekend and made lots of new friends.
  Although we did not make the Enduro Keith kindly let me do the group 3 qualifying race in which I drove very conservatively, mindful of not damaging Keiths new toy.Unfortunately just as I was getting used to the car and the track the gremlins struck again when the throttle cable snapped!.However I may be allowed to drive the car again in the future.
  It was good to see old friends from Mid Ohio 2002 namely Jack & Tony Drews, Joe & Sean Alexander, Bill Dentinger, Henry Frye and Dean Tetterton as well as making new friends like Allen Washatko and his team. We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
  Thanks again especially to Joe Alexander for making all our arrangements and to Keith for giving me the opportunity to race at one of Americas premier circuits. 
   
  Regards to All
   
  Mike Hughes

 		
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 22:35:55 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:35:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
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E plugs are 3/4 reach, is that proper for TR6?

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On May 25, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Allen Washatko wrote:

> Jack,
>
> I run NGK BP9ES plugs in the TR6. I get them from NAPA.
>
> Allen
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>
>> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
>> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
>> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler
>> than that.
>>
>> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> uncle jack
>>
>>
>>
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri May 25 22:55:38 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <004001c79f52$1b4cc860$6401a8c0@TER2>

    Champion makes a very high quality Marine Plug that crosses to a BP8hs. 
The Champion plug is a L-78YC. It is a very cold projected nose, copper core 
plug. It should be good for a high output engine with over 12.5: 
compression.
                                                                             
                        Greg Solow.
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] plugs


> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than 
> that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat May 26 07:52:13 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:52:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <cf0.10736074.3389958d@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 10:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr5racer at btinternet.com writes:


> We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to 
> race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
> 

Yeah...we got the TR250 and the rest of the world got the TR5.  It would be 
GREAT to see a true TR5 race this side of the pond.  Go for it.

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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat May 26 18:15:34 2007
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH
Message-ID: <001d01c79ff4$25272ef0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>

Ryan and I had a great time at MOTRAH.  We were fortunate enough to be
paddocked next to Jack and Tony Drews and Kieth Files on one side and John
Fridirici on the other.  Nice to be among so many Triumphs.  And all nice
company.  It was interesting to watch Jack's perseverance in keeping the car
going and the wizardry of Jon Woods on Keith's car.
    Our first time at Road America and it is a looong track.  Realized that
the 4.3 to 1 rear end, even with an overdrive just can't quite do it at RA.
Maybe a little lack of top end power didn't help either.  But, while we're
learning and getting some "seat time", reliability is our main criteria.
Can't get "seat time" fixing the car in the paddock.  The only "fix" I had to
do was tighten the "fan" belt!
    Also got to meet some great people.  Bill Babcock took the time to give
some history on Peyote.  Was great to see him running so well.  Met Kas and
Peg for the first time, what nice people.  Had the opportunity to indulge in
the wine and cheese party, although I think we missed the West coast cheddar.
    All in all a really terrific weekend.  Thanks to Joe A. and the others who
organized it.

Tim


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 18:58:09 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
In-Reply-To: <cf0.10736074.3389958d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <262434.24213.qm@web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill, wait and think about what your saying.  I remember the Brit cars at Mid-Ohio and they were extremely fast and well driven.  Wait, where am I going with this, bring 'em all over!
   
  Ernie

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/25/2007 10:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr5racer at btinternet.com writes:


> We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to 
> race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
> 

Yeah...we got the TR250 and the rest of the world got the TR5. It would be 
GREAT to see a true TR5 race this side of the pond. Go for it.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:32:33 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 1 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043044.A48B51879DC@autox.team.net>

I thought the Motrah 007 event was an unqualified
success.  Between the organizers and SVRA, we had
4, count em, 4 extra sessions as a Motrah
entry.  One of them was the pursuit race that was
lightly filled due to the
weather.  Congratulations to Henry for the win in that one.

Over the winter, I ended up with an engine
rebuild and an OD rebuild.  I installed an
experimental camshaft designed by our own Larry
Young, and struggled to find a crankshaft that
was usable.  I ended up with a loaner from uncle
jack thats the former Keith Files Moldex.  The
Crower / Dunst crank will arrive
eventually  Larrys cam is designed with the
idea that we want maximum torque between 4000 and
6000 RPM since our engines dont have the flow
necessary to run high RPMs.  It has aggressive
ramps that require the stock lifter (not the GT-40 ones).

We took the motor it to an engine dyno in
Wisconsin to tune the carbs, find the optimal cam
advance (dyno software predicted 0 to 2 degrees
advance would be best), and find the optimal
ignition settings.  I spent every waking moment
getting the motor in the car and getting the car
ready for Motrah.  I ended up with two weeknights to spare.  Yikes.

With that cam and everything tuned like is should
be, I have never had that much power.  I was able
to spin the tires in first by just flooring the gas.  Cool.

We were paddocked with Joe Alexander, Keith
Files, and the Murphys.  Tim and Ryan are a new
father / son racing team.  They had an excellent
weekend in there beautiful TR-4.  Ryan (son) was
driving this weekend and did and excellent
job.  Its neat to see their enthusiasm for the
sport.  As the son part of a father / son team,
Ive gotta say  that is absolutely the most fun
you can possibly have.  I really encourage others
to try to get their sons involved in this wonderful sport.

Part 1 of 3

Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:33:28 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 2 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043134.9F1DA1879DC@autox.team.net>

Uncle jack has to have the perseverance award 
shelled out the pinion in the first session, took
the rear axle out, took it home (5 hours each
way), rebuilt it with a R&P on the shelf and only
missed a session.  Left at 6:30 Thursday night
and pulled back in around noon on
Friday.  (!)  Also, he and I changed the starter
that died, and overcame an encounter with the
tire wall.  The body man will be happy, Jacks checkbook will be sad.

In the group 3 qualifying race, I came up on a
car that looked suspiciously like uncle jack, but
not entirely.  As I got closer, I realized that
it was, in fact, my dad but with the left side of
the car caved in.  I felt sick seeing that.  But,
just to prove that chivalry wasnt dead, he did a
long lurid slide coming out of turn 6 trying to keep me behind him.

The Motrah qualifying race ended up being in the
wet.  I watched Allen Washatko spin in turn 14
and lightly glance off of the inside wall.  On
the last lap, I saw Dennis Delap off the track in
a crunched condition after turn 7.  I ended up
coming in 3rd behind a V-8 Morgan and Dave
Jahamiak, I think.  It was a glorious drive,
feeling the tires AT THE LIMIT in the
corners.  The Kink was one of the slipperier
corners.  (!)  I kept telling myself: brake
early, dont screw up, preserve the car.

In the Motrah race, I had a great dice with Jeff
Johnk.  It turns out that he is a real gentleman
racer.  I was faster through the twisty bits and
he was faster on the straights.  Once I passed
him, he made a point of NOT passing me back on
the straights so that I could battle with Allen
Washatko in his well prepared TR-6.  I was
setting Allen up for a possible turn 5 pass on
the last lap when he pulled off the inside of
turn 1, out of gas.  I think I ended up in 5th
place behind the two V-8 Morgans, Jahamiak and
Babcock.  Best time was in the neighborhood of
2:48.4  6 seconds better than my best time from
last year.  Incidentally, I PASSED Bill early in
the weekend (while he was still learning the
track).  I told him that was the only time that
would happen and it turns out I was right.

Part 2 of 3

Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:34:13 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:34:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 3 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043219.446AB1879DC@autox.team.net>

   In  the  normal  group race, I was classified in group 3 CP (bumped up
   from  3 DP) due to my rear disk brakes (nevermind that Im paying a 150
   lb penalty for the massive rear axle attached to them).  They put 3 CP
   in  with  the sports racer group.  I started that race at the back due
   to  a  timing / scoring problem.  Turns out that a couple of fast 356s
   were  in  that  group too.  I had a good start with my new-found power
   and  passed a few cars on the first lap, including Rick Gurolnick (Dr.
   Dreadful)  in  his  VERY nice 356.  Rick re-passed me on at the end of
   the  straight  the  next lap.  I spent most of the race drafting him a
   foot  off his rear end, popping out a the end, pulling out every trick
   I  knew.   On  the  next  to  the  last  lap,  he  ran wide in turn 5.
   Glorious!   I  went  through turns 5 and 6 side by side with Rick, and
   edged  him out by turn 7.  With a great run through the kink, I gapped
   him  enough  to stay ahead through the front and back straights on the
   last  lap.   I  early apexed the kink slightly on the last lap, and he
   was  highly  motivated.  He pulled back up to my rear, but didnt quite
   have  enough  to  pass  me  before  the end of the race.  What a race!
   Thats the one Ive got in-car footage of at
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7361466699989864483 .

   John  Sprinzel  wandered  by  early  in the weekend and was telling me
   stories  of running for the factory Triumph team.  Kas Kastner stopped
   by  after  every  session and told me my lap times with a smile on his
   face.  How cool is that?

   If  we  can  end up with some sort of similar deal with Triumph as the
   featured  marque (maybe a Triumph / Healey challenge?) at Watkins Glen
   in 2008, that would be AWESOME!  It seems like a trial balloon message
   or  two  has  come  out on that I would wholeheartedly support such an
   event.
   Part 3 of 3

   Tony Drews


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat May 26 23:38:25 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:38:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plugs
Message-ID: <c12.183609e8.338a7351@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 5/26/2007 11:29:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

>     Champion makes a very high quality Marine Plug that crosses to a BP8hs. 
> The Champion plug is a L-78YC. It is a very cold projected nose, copper core 
> plug. It should be good for a high output engine with over 12.5: 
> compression.

I wouldn't touch a champion plug with a barge pole, champion & high quality 
are oxymorons nowadays.

NGKs are the only way to go as far as I am concerned

Regards

Leon
 
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun May 27 11:21:07 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:21:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
Message-ID: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>

I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator.
Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day.

I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the
Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!  For now,
however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph guys out
here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of champagne after
my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!

On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2 176 #3 178 #4
178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?



~Steve


From billb at bnj.com  Sun May 27 12:25:39 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:25:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
In-Reply-To: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
References: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
Message-ID: <B2780C9A-574D-4A57-9C12-2217961E4A98@bnj.com>

Wine country classic is a great event, classy but not exclusive--they  
take Peyote whenever I manage to get my entry in, and they have a few  
production cars in the grid. The trick is to get your entry in early.  
It also helps if you enter some other HMSA events. While General  
Racing still runs Wine Country and Monterey, Steve and Debbie Earle  
have backed off from the grind and are having Cris Vandagriff  
(President of HMSA and a long-time right hand to Steve) run things.

I won't be there this year because Peyote is in Virginia, but it's  
one of my favorite events. In many ways I like it more than the  
Monterey Historics, though Monterey overall is a incredible event.

Make sure you go to the saturday night party in Sonoma Square, and if  
you can tag along to the friday night driver's party up at the Office  
complex (the building up on top of the hill) then do so--good food,  
good wine, lots of benchracing. The Sonoma Square party includes an  
impromptu concours that includes a lot of the race cars that have  
some kind of street legality (pretty sketchy usually) and a lot of  
food and wine tasting. It costs a few bucks, but it's well worth the  
price.

Laguna Seca and Sears are must go tracks for anyone remotely in the  
area. Wine Country is not quite as hard to get into as Monterey--but  
it's close. Other choices for these tracks are the SCCA event in May  
at Laguna Seca and the CSRG Charity Challenge at Sears. Both offer a  
lot more track time.

There's no way to interpret race tune from compression ratio--the cam  
overlap has too much influence on the numbers. Often a street engine  
with a mild cam and 8 to 1 compression will have higher compression  
readings than a hot cam and 11 to 1. You use compression tests to  
tell if you have a flaw--a stuck ring or a leaky valve. Leakdown  
tests are better for this, but compression is a quick and dirty check.

Bill Babcock
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On May 27, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Steve Belfer wrote:

> I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a  
> spectator.
> Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
> Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
> I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one  
> day.
>
> I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in  
> the
> Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!   
> For now,
> however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph  
> guys out
> here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of  
> champagne after
> my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!
>
> On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2  
> 176 #3 178 #4
> 178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?
>
>
>
> ~Steve
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun May 27 13:11:53 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:11:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph TR3 Serial #26557 Engine #26908 first sold
 3/19/1958
Message-ID: <4659D7F9.8020809@greenheart.com>

I was at a swap meet recently  in Pasadena, California, and I  found a 
copy Standard Motor's "Practical Hints for the Maintenance of the 
Triumph TR3".    Folded inside was the origial dealer Check and 
Acceptance Form for this specific car  Serial #26557   Engine #26908  
first sold 3/19/1958

I bought this booklet for reference and interest around my TR2, but I 
would consider passing it along to the original TR3 owner, if he/she has 
an interest.   It would be great to put these items together again with 
their car.

--Justin Wagner


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sun May 27 16:06:28 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:06:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
References: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
Message-ID: <001b01c7a0ab$46a070c0$6401a8c0@TER2>

I will be there with my ex Lew Spencer Morgan Super Sport, "Baby Doll V". We 
are in  Race Group 7, along with the Cobras, Stingray Corvettes, GT 350s, 
etc. I notice that Ron Jacobs with his TR-4 is also in this class. There are 
also some Elava Couriers, Loti and a Ginetta G-4r. It will be a "fun" class!
                                                                             
                                        Greg Solow
` 
Morgan SS # 45. "Kingfisher Blue"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic / Compression


> I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator.
> Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
> Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
> I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day.
>
> I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the
> Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!  For now,
> however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph guys out
> here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of champagne 
> after
> my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!
>
> On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2 176 #3 
> 178 #4
> 178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?
>
>
>
> ~Steve
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net  Mon May 28 09:16:17 2007
From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:16:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
Message-ID: <052820071516.2474.465AF2410004A62F000009AA2160383116990E04D2069D@att.net>

The Wine Country Classic is always fun and it does sound like a fun class. My TR-4 is dark blue number 484. Please stop by.  Look forward to seeing some of you there.

Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>: -------------- 


> I will be there with my ex Lew Spencer Morgan Super Sport, "Baby Doll V". We 
> are in Race Group 7, along with the Cobras, Stingray Corvettes, GT 350s, 
> etc. I notice that Ron Jacobs with his TR-4 is also in this class. There are 
> also some Elava Couriers, Loti and a Ginetta G-4r. It will be a "fun" class! 
> 
> Greg Solow 
> ` 
> Morgan SS # 45. "Kingfisher Blue" 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Belfer" 
> To: "Friends of Triumph" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:21 AM 
> Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic / Compression 
> 
> 
> > I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator. 
> > Any FOT'rs planning to attend? 
> > Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such? 
> > I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day. 
> > 
> > I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the 
> > Midwest. Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland! For now, 
> > however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA. The Triumph guys out 
> > here are first-class. I was even presented with a bottle of champagne 
> > after 
> > my first day of racing at Buttonwillow! 
> > 
> > On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday. #1 179 #2 176 #3 
> > 178 #4 
> > 178. What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ~Steve 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html 
> > 
> > Fot mailing list 
> > Fot at autox.team.net 
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Mon May 28 14:08:20 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:08:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
Message-ID: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Hi @ all,

I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to the
car?

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: Sprint Alternator


Hello Paul,

I'm Chris from Germany.
I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at Kas
book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the amperemeter
shows -5A.

What trick is needed to install the alternator?
At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched (+).

Cheers
Chris

PS: Thanks in advance for help.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]


From BillB at bnj.com  Mon May 28 16:12:41 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
In-Reply-To: <000801c7a149$5ccc5cd0$5d60a3d8@Dell5100Laptop>
References: <000801c7a149$5ccc5cd0$5d60a3d8@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <88E158B5-1C9E-460C-99F5-49984A8256C9@bnj.com>

I have a gas grill. I also have three tables and I'll supply wine,
beer, and pupus as we call them in Hawaii. .  I'm going to have to
work on Peyote quite a bit when I get there, my driveshaft was going
south, so I took it back to Portland and got it rebuilt. Also have to
put a new seal in the rear end input shaft. No big deal, but some
assembly will be required.
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On May 28, 2007, at 9:58 AM, marshall wrote:

> OK, as I understand it, Leo will get the TR list from VIR, Jo and I
> will bring up the special hot dogs and the fire pit along with
> firewood and other usual stuff.  Dean has the table and Bill has
> the movie equipment.  Since Henry wont be there we to figure out
> how to get a grill up there.  Has anyone got something small enough
> to bring but big enough to cook on?  In a pinch we can use our
> little Weber but it wont do much.
>
>
> Were going to try to get in on Wednesday but itll be late if we
> make it in one pull.  Most people will arrive on Thursday so I
> dont know if we should do it Thursday night or Friday.  Friday
> might conflict with some Gold Cup event but I dont have a copy of
> the schedule with me.  Tomorrow were heading back to Florida and
> will start on the car.  Hopefully nothing has gone wrong between
> the last session at VIR in April and now.  Cheers, Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LOddTR at aol.com [mailto:LOddTR at aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:16 PM
> To: marshall at nefcom.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
>
>
> Don,
>
>
> Your plan sounds like a good one. I'll get an invite out as soon as
> I hear from Christa. If I don't get a response I'll send a note to
> the usual suspects.
>
>
> The tranny leak is a little evasive. I retorgued the tail housing
> and the top. It may be the rear seal. No cracks though. I confirmed
> that today. I may pull the drive shaft to have it checked for
> balance. I'll get a good look at the rear seal then.
>
>
> Beyond the above, the car is rarin' to go. I even put a coat of wax
> on it today. First time in several years. Sure does look pretty
> with all the stone chips touched up and with the new windscreen. I
> kinda hate to take it on the track and have the front end get sand
> blasted again. Oh well. That's what cans of spray paint are for.
>
>
> Leo
>
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Mon May 28 20:48:09 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just installed, which 
worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the threaded nut 
takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This alternator 
also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy Sprint wiring 
harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.  One of 
those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the 
ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a signal to 
tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three blades form a 
"U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the bottom of the 
"U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of the U and 
it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one can be 
hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator is not 
charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained why this 
works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your 
friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the engine just 
pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no longer being 
told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car runs off 
the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an hour or 
so.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator


> Hi @ all,
>
> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to the
> car?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>
>
> Hello Paul,
>
> I'm Chris from Germany.
> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at 
> Kas
> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the amperemeter
> shows -5A.
>
> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched 
> (+).
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 
> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue May 29 07:02:53 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:02:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
Message-ID: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>

Friends
What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car filming also
mounting arrangement to minimise shake
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 09:25:20 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
In-Reply-To: <005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <2D17A007-4673-4BF8-A7F8-0D2A10E6DF94@bnj.com>

Actually, unless you're running lights most batteries--even the small  
motorcycle type I use in Peyote, are enough to run the car for many  
races including starts. I do like the idea of being able to shut off  
the alternator. Makes it easier to wire the ignition shut off switch  
as well, though you'll still need a double pole switch
Bill Babcock
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On May 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just  
> installed, which
> worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the  
> threaded nut
> takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This  
> alternator
> also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy  
> Sprint wiring
> harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.   
> One of
> those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
> ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a  
> signal to
> tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three  
> blades form a
> "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the  
> bottom of the
> "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of  
> the U and
> it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one  
> can be
> hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator  
> is not
> charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained  
> why this
> works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your
> friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the  
> engine just
> pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no  
> longer being
> told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car  
> runs off
> the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an  
> hour or
> so.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
>> Hi @ all,
>>
>> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
>> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator  
>> to the
>> car?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>>
>>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> I'm Chris from Germany.
>> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as  
>> mentioned at
>> Kas
>> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
>> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the  
>> amperemeter
>> shows -5A.
>>
>> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
>> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
>> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the  
>> switched
>> (+).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a  
>> name of
>> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 09:44:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:44:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>
References: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>
Message-ID: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>

If you don't already have a video camera I suggest one of the new  
self contained helmet cams. They're cheap ($150 US) they record for a  
long time on 2GB SD cards, and they have auto focus and auto  
contrast. The Oregon Scientific bullet style camera is the best  
format but their customer service sucks and they have some issues  
with vibration affecting the SD card connection. You can fix it with  
a piece of foam earplug wedged in the holder, but you might not like  
that kind of bodge. There's also a tiny waterproof camera you can  
probably get at surf shops that's got a better lens and is more  
reliable I think they're called Sport Cam.

These cameras are so small and light that mounting them can be a  
matter of using the straps they provide with duct tape for  
reinforcement. You can helmet mount them or stick them on the roll  
bar. They are light enough that vibration doesn't seem to be much of  
a problem.

If you have a videocamera already, especially one with image  
stabilization, then you can just use a commercially available mount.  
I don't remember the name of mine--something with "Zero" in the name.  
It has a urethane vibration damper and clamps to the roll bar. Make  
sure you rig a safety strap in case the mount fails. Not only will it  
save your camera but it will also prevent FOD to the car behind you.  
I also tape a bit of tearoff shield across the lens to prevent high  
speed gook from damaging the lens. I do the same with the little  
sportcams.

Guys that get serious have bullet cameras feeding a tapeless recorder  
(using SD cards) and some have switchable or dual feeds. You can  
easily spend several thousand bucks on this, and you can duplicate  
the results with two $150 SportCams, though the quality might not be  
as high. Most of this stuff winds up on the web at low res anyway.  
The sportcams do 640 X 480 resolution at 30 or 15 FPS, which is  
better than anyone that isn't broadcasting needs.


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On May 29, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Geoffrey Byrne wrote:

> Friends
> What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car  
> filming also
> mounting arrangement to minimise shake
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 Racer Down Under
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 09:46:33 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:46:33 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
Message-ID: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>

List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.

There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides and 
those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.

So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.

A few points of information:

The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event 

Formula 500 is also a featured race.

SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.

Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing 
the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.

OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.     Thanks!

Best Regards,

Joe Alexander

   </HTML>


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue May 29 12:13:48 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:13:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>

I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.

I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives close to the
track!

Thanks,

Jeff Snook
www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
Cup..Decision Time!!!


  List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.

  There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides
and
  those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.

  So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.

  A few points of information:

  The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event

  Formula 500 is also a featured race.

  SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.

  Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
  the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.

  OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.
Thanks!

  Best Regards,

  Joe Alexander

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 13:03:24 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
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Speaking of which, is anyone going to the Watkins Glen Historics on  
the 14th, or for that matter, who's going to Mosport the week after.  
I'll be at both, it would be good to pit with friends, and any FOT  
spectating, be sure to drop by and say hi. Movie nights too of course. .

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On May 29, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Snook wrote:

> I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.
>
> I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives close  
> to the
> track!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Snook
> www.snooksdreamcars.com
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>   To: fot at autox.team.net
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 AM
>   Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
> Cup..Decision Time!!!
>
>
>   List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at  
> 2008 Zippo.
>
>   There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few  
> downsides
> and
>   those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
>   So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
>   A few points of information:
>
>   The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
>   Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
>   SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their  
> planning.
>
>   Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in  
> organizing
>   the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
>   OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.
> Thanks!
>
>   Best Regards,
>
>   Joe Alexander
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 13:31:11 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:31:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time...
Message-ID: <be8.18085212.338dd97f@cs.com>

What a great choice on your itinerary!

You wont have any trouble finding friends at Mosport. 

Lots of track time and one of the best tracks you will ever run in your life, 
methinks.

Wish we all could be there.  

BTW, Mosport is on the radar for 2008, for some of us. 

Joe A


> Speaking of which, is anyone going to the Watkins Glen Historics on the 
> 14th, or for that matter, who's going to Mosport the week after. I'll be at 
> both, it would be good to pit with friends, and any FOT spectating, be sure to 
> drop by and say hi. Movie nights too of course. . 
> 
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 13:45:14 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:45:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>

Jeff Johnk! 

What a great gentleman in this MOTRAH-007 organizational effort. Thanks! 

And thanks for getting John Sprinzel to us!

Responses tell us that this weekend was quite a success.

I understand that you will be taking a year off after two years of organizing 
these events.....the 2006 Healey Tour, and now Motrah-007.

Looking forward to the next combined Triumph/Healey Meeting.

Yup, Tony was The Man of the Hour at MOTRAH-007....I wonder where he gets it 
from?

Jeff Johnk....great organizer and great family man!  THANK YOU!

Hats off from the FoT!

Joe (A)




> Hi MOTRAH racers,
>     I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race participants 
> of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the Triumphs 
> and Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs, especially 
> with Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has 2138 cc's and 
> four cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked my butt in the 
> straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much everywhere! Big 
> Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of time to him 
> under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race 
> progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be right on my trunk 
> handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all the stops 
> out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right foot planted on 
> the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they say), than 
> waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and brimstone(actually 
> it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony appeared on the 
> inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is! Great Fun!  
>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been circulating, 
> that is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. 
> This is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
>  it was $20.
>     Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to racing with 
> you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
>         Healey 28,
>             Jeff Johnk
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 14:31:41 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>

FOT,

"The Thriller at Miller....."

Looks like a good one.

New highly touted course.

Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.

Kastner Cup Presentation.

Jan & I will be there....with or without #197

Who else will be there?

Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again?   "Cup" is boxed Priority Mail and 
ready to send.

Regards,

Joe (A)   </HTML>


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 14:43:33 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:43:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>
References: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>
Message-ID: <C4FE9885-DABE-4100-8B30-27A40FA1184E@bnj.com>

Incidentally, I've finished a two part section in the blog about  
Motrah. Left out a great deal, but thats only because it was headed  
towards a couple of thousand words.
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On May 29, 2007, at 12:45 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Jeff Johnk!
>
> What a great gentleman in this MOTRAH-007 organizational effort.  
> Thanks!
>
> And thanks for getting John Sprinzel to us!
>
> Responses tell us that this weekend was quite a success.
>
> I understand that you will be taking a year off after two years of  
> organizing
> these events.....the 2006 Healey Tour, and now Motrah-007.
>
> Looking forward to the next combined Triumph/Healey Meeting.
>
> Yup, Tony was The Man of the Hour at MOTRAH-007....I wonder where  
> he gets it
> from?
>
> Jeff Johnk....great organizer and great family man!  THANK YOU!
>
> Hats off from the FoT!
>
> Joe (A)
>
>
>
>
>> Hi MOTRAH racers,
>>     I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race  
>> participants
>> of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the  
>> Triumphs
>> and Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs,  
>> especially
>> with Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has  
>> 2138 cc's and
>> four cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked  
>> my butt in the
>> straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much  
>> everywhere! Big
>> Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of  
>> time to him
>> under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race
>> progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be  
>> right on my trunk
>> handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all  
>> the stops
>> out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right  
>> foot planted on
>> the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they  
>> say), than
>> waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and  
>> brimstone(actually
>> it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony appeared  
>> on the
>> inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is!  
>> Great Fun!
>>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been  
>> circulating,
>> that is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in  
>> front of Tony.
>> This is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid  
>> personal.......
>>  it was $20.
>>     Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to  
>> racing with
>> you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
>>         Healey 28,
>>             Jeff Johnk
>>
>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue May 29 14:45:00 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <20070529.144501.-205105.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

I'll be there, in Race Control, not driving.
Bill

On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
> FOT,
> 
> "The Thriller at Miller....."
> 
> Looks like a good one.
> 
> New highly touted course.
> 
> Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.
> 
> Kastner Cup Presentation.
> 
> Jan & I will be there....with or without #197
> 
> Who else will be there?
> 
> Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again?   "Cup" is boxed Priority 
> Mail and 
> ready to send.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Joe (A)   </HTML>
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May 29 14:47:50 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:47:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <BAY102-W15BABA1B2774555703251902F0@phx.gbl>

Henry Morrison & Crew will be
there...............................................Elva Courier> To:
N197TR4 at cs.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:00 -0600> From:
wgrosenbach at juno.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at
Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH> > I'll be there, in Race Control, not
driving.> Bill> > On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes:> >
FOT,> > > > "The Thriller at Miller....."> > > > Looks like a good one.> > > >
New highly touted course.> > > > Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.> > > > Kastner Cup
Presentation.> > > > Jan & I will be there....with or without #197> > > > Who
else will be there?> > > > Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again? "Cup" is
boxed Priority > > Mail and > > ready to send.> > > > Regards,> > > > Joe (A)
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May 29 14:50:43 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:50:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>

Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east 
Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is still 
coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack and Tony?  
So, who else is coming...
 
Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.  
 
 
Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 29 17:54:44 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net>

Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that 
overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.

Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.

- Tony

At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is still
>coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack 
>and Tony?
>So, who else is coming...
>
>Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>
>
>Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 29 17:55:43 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:55:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20070529235350.333C71879FD@autox.team.net>

I'm in, but not able to help with organization.  Anyone who has seen 
my garage will understand.

- Tony

At 10:46 AM 5/29/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
>
>There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides and
>those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
>So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
>A few points of information:
>
>The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
>Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
>SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
>
>Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
>the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
>OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.     Thanks!
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Joe Alexander
>
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From TR4racr at aol.com  Tue May 29 18:24:11 2007
From: TR4racr at aol.com (TR4racr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:24:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time...
Message-ID: <bb8.138e4d11.338e1e2b@aol.com>

I also will be there and like Jeff,unable to assist in managing the  event.
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Mechanicsville,Va.



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 20:01:23 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Pro Solo in July
Message-ID: <BAY123-W14FCAA782BF28F2B9A3389BA2E0@phx.gbl>

Any other FOT'rs going to the SCCA Pro-Solo event in Toledo Ohio in
July?Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 10:10:30 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:10:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
In-Reply-To: <002901c7a209$9b364920$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
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	<002901c7a209$9b364920$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
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It shouldn't if it's connected correctly, except for the field  
current. What voltage are you seeing on the output lead?

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On May 29, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:

> My car should remain road legal, so I need a full functional  
> alternator. When driving home with the car from more distant tracks  
> I return home at nights.
>
> I will try all Scott did adviced me.
> But I still wonder why it consumes some amps?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: Scott Janzen
> Cc: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
> Actually, unless you're running lights most batteries--even the  
> small motorcycle type I use in Peyote, are enough to run the car  
> for many races including starts. I do like the idea of being able  
> to shut off the alternator. Makes it easier to wire the ignition  
> shut off switch as well, though you'll still need a double pole switch
> Bill Babcock
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>
> On May 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen wrote:
>
>> Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just  
>> installed, which
>> worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the  
>> threaded nut
>> takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This  
>> alternator
>> also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy  
>> Sprint wiring
>> harness - there are three spade connections within the  
>> receptacle.  One of
>> those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
>> ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a  
>> signal to
>> tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three  
>> blades form a
>> "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the  
>> bottom of the
>> "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of  
>> the U and
>> it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one  
>> can be
>> hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator  
>> is not
>> charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that  
>> explained why this
>> works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If  
>> your
>> friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the  
>> engine just
>> pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no  
>> longer being
>> told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car  
>> runs off
>> the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for  
>> an hour or
>> so.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>>
>>
>>> Hi @ all,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
>>> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint  
>>> alternator to the
>>> car?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>>> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
>>> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> I'm Chris from Germany.
>>> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as  
>>> mentioned at
>>> Kas
>>> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
>>> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the  
>>> amperemeter
>>> shows -5A.
>>>
>>> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
>>> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
>>> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the  
>>> switched
>>> (+).
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>>>
>>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had  
>>> a name of
>>> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Tue May 29 17:31:05 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:31:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>

Bill,
Thanks for the camera info.  Unfortunately, I got maybe 5 times this amount
invested in a Cannon digital with a hard drive that plays beautiful with
direct connection to my TV and digital projector.  The problem is that it
keeps turning itself off after a few seconds into an autocross.  I have it
mounted on my bumper support on the passenger side of the car with regular
hard tripod mounting system.  (I wanted to be safe you know).  Do you think
vibration is the culprit here?  It runs great as long as I'm holding it. It
was really embarrassing at our regional event when I thought my first
capture of my first run from my low slung mounted bumper camera would show
how exciting the almost 1 mile long autocross was....but alas...it recorded
only my take off.  My old analog Sony with a super8 tape recorded an
autocross better.  This Cannon is light and takes great movies and stills.
Do you think I need to mount it in foam and duct tape it to the bumper?  

Don W. Carter, AIA
Carter Design Associates
6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
Houston, Texas 77057
(713) 529-2288 Telephone
(713) 789-2330 Fax
don at carterdesignassociates.com
 


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:44 AM
To: Geoffrey Byrne
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video for in car filming


If you don't already have a video camera I suggest one of the new  
self contained helmet cams. They're cheap ($150 US) they record for a  
long time on 2GB SD cards, and they have auto focus and auto  
contrast. The Oregon Scientific bullet style camera is the best  
format but their customer service sucks and they have some issues  
with vibration affecting the SD card connection. You can fix it with  
a piece of foam earplug wedged in the holder, but you might not like  
that kind of bodge. There's also a tiny waterproof camera you can  
probably get at surf shops that's got a better lens and is more  
reliable I think they're called Sport Cam.

These cameras are so small and light that mounting them can be a  
matter of using the straps they provide with duct tape for  
reinforcement. You can helmet mount them or stick them on the roll  
bar. They are light enough that vibration doesn't seem to be much of  
a problem.

If you have a videocamera already, especially one with image  
stabilization, then you can just use a commercially available mount.  
I don't remember the name of mine--something with "Zero" in the name.  
It has a urethane vibration damper and clamps to the roll bar. Make  
sure you rig a safety strap in case the mount fails. Not only will it  
save your camera but it will also prevent FOD to the car behind you.  
I also tape a bit of tearoff shield across the lens to prevent high  
speed gook from damaging the lens. I do the same with the little  
sportcams.

Guys that get serious have bullet cameras feeding a tapeless recorder  
(using SD cards) and some have switchable or dual feeds. You can  
easily spend several thousand bucks on this, and you can duplicate  
the results with two $150 SportCams, though the quality might not be  
as high. Most of this stuff winds up on the web at low res anyway.  
The sportcams do 640 X 480 resolution at 30 or 15 FPS, which is  
better than anyone that isn't broadcasting needs.


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On May 29, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Geoffrey Byrne wrote:

> Friends
> What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car
> filming also
> mounting arrangement to minimise shake
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 Racer Down Under
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sun May 27 08:42:59 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
Message-ID: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

My TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track days at
Beaverun. Track time on a track day is as much as at a normal vintage race
weekend. Otherwise just road use.
I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
I put Richard Good's 165 roller rockers on last summer which increased the
lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
.480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
Advice solicited and happily accepted.
Bruce Stutzman


From jeffj at centuryrefining.com  Tue May 29 13:35:56 2007
From: jeffj at centuryrefining.com (Jeff Johnk)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
Message-ID: <003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>

Hi MOTRAH racers,
    I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race participants
of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the Triumphs and
Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs, especially with
Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has 2138 cc's and four
cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked my butt in the
straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much everywhere! Big
Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of time to him
under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race
progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be right on my
trunk handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all the
stops out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right foot
planted on the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they
say), than waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and
brimstone(actually it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony
appeared on the inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is!
Great Fun!
    I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been circulating, that
is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. This
is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
 it was $20.
    Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to racing with
you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
        Healey 28,
            Jeff Johnk
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: seanax at iowalaser.com ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:37 AM
  Subject: MOTRAH-007 aftermath


  FOT,

  On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing.
We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and
everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files &
Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that
is.

  Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and
went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little
more tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.

  Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines.
We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe
invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so
well.

  Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time
with his road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE
Seiko Chronograph)

  Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo,
rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.

  More later,

  enuff for the moment.  what's your story?

  Joe


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:02:31 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
In-Reply-To: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
References: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <20070530120037.562E0187A0A@autox.team.net>

   British  Parts  Northwest  hardness checks their lifters.  They have a
   set  of heavy duty tappets that are coated with something cool and are
   "lightened" for less than a buck more than the stock lifters.
   http://www.bpnorthwest.com/
   Here's their description:
   "These  are  Heavy  Duty  Tappets for a TR3-4A. They are lightened and
   have  an  extra  oil  drilled in the side for extra lubrication. Every
   batch  of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. Each tappet
   will  have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard is
   50  for  tappets.  We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other
   companies  and  never  will  because of our dedication to dealing with
   only quality suppliers. "
   0.480  lift  is  nothing  to sneeze at, and will stress the valvetrain
   more than the stock lift.  Not a bad idea to follow the thread on good
   oil,  maybe  add some STP red or GM's EOS on an oil change to keep the
   ZDDP in the range where the valvetrain doesn't eat itself.
   - Tony Drews
   At 09:42 AM 5/27/2007, Stutzman wrote:

     My  TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track
     days at
     Beaverun.  Track  time  on  a  track  day is as much as at a normal
     vintage race
     weekend. Otherwise just road use.
     I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
     It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
     I  put  Richard  Good's  165  roller  rockers  on last summer which
     increased the
     lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
     Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
     3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
     Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
     .480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
     Advice solicited and happily accepted.
     Bruce Stutzman
     _______________________________________________
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May 30 06:03:40 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:03:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
Message-ID: <005e01c7a2b2$9637b4a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

You might have read my tappet talk mail from the last 3 weeks.
I have let grind my tappets flat because all available tappets are domed and
from my opinion they don't run well on a non-taper lobe cam, as most of the
cams are.

Will be interesting to find out if they will last....

Cheers
Chris

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tony Drews
  To: chris at tr4-racing.de
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:51 PM
  Subject: Fwd: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam




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    My TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track days
at
    Beaverun. Track time on a track day is as much as at a normal vintage
race
    weekend. Otherwise just road use.
    I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
    It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
    I put Richard Good's 165 roller rockers on last summer which increased
the
    lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
    Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
    3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
    Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
    .480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
    Advice solicited and happily accepted.
    Bruce Stutzman
    _______________________________________________
    http://www.team.net/donate.html


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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:13:23 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
	<003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>
Message-ID: <20070530121128.6D3B7187A3F@autox.team.net>

So THAT explains why every time I came to the grid, they didn't have 
my car on the grid sheets!  I had that consistently in the Motrah 
events (probably because I was hidden in the 3cp, 4, 5 group), but at 
the end that happened for the race in my "normal" group too.  I 
always got times on the result sheet, though.

Jeff, I really enjoyed racing with you.  You are a consistent, and 
safe but aggressive VINTAGE driver.

- Tony

At 02:35 PM 5/29/2007, Jeff Johnk wrote:
>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been 
> circulating, that
>is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. This
>is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
>  it was $20.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:15:01 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>
References: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>
	<000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>
Message-ID: <20070530121307.B0236187A6F@autox.team.net>

I had a PVR with a hard drive that I tried using for recording.  I 
had similar luck.  I took it back and replaced it with a DV Camcorder 
(Sony).  That one works flawlessly.  From what I understand, you 
either need a solid state device (uses big SD card instead of hard 
drive), or something that uses tape - the units that record to hard 
drive or DVD are reputed to have problems with vibration.

I use a lipstick camera that feeds into the camcorder.  If you record 
with the camcorder directly (no external camera), I've found that a 
really solid mount helps reduce (but not eliminate) camera shake.

Another potential to think about: I've seen high powered ignition 
system kill camcorders.  If you've got the camera mounted to the 
front of the car, it's possible that the ignition noise when you rev 
it up has a detrimental effect.

- Tony Drews

At 06:31 PM 5/29/2007, Don Carter wrote:
>Bill,
>Thanks for the camera info.  Unfortunately, I got maybe 5 times this amount
>invested in a Cannon digital with a hard drive that plays beautiful with
>direct connection to my TV and digital projector.  The problem is that it
>keeps turning itself off after a few seconds into an autocross.  I have it
>mounted on my bumper support on the passenger side of the car with regular
>hard tripod mounting system.  (I wanted to be safe you know).  Do you think
>vibration is the culprit here?  It runs great as long as I'm holding it. It
>was really embarrassing at our regional event when I thought my first
>capture of my first run from my low slung mounted bumper camera would show
>how exciting the almost 1 mile long autocross was....but alas...it recorded
>only my take off.  My old analog Sony with a super8 tape recorded an
>autocross better.  This Cannon is light and takes great movies and stills.
>Do you think I need to mount it in foam and duct tape it to the bumper?
>
>Don W. Carter, AIA
>Carter Design Associates
>6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
>Houston, Texas 77057
>(713) 529-2288 Telephone
>(713) 789-2330 Fax
>don at carterdesignassociates.com


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed May 30 06:52:36 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Shirts and Power Vented Helmets
Message-ID: <001e01c7a2b9$66841490$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone have any experience with these? after just spending a hot, sunny
weekend at the track in a dark green coupe, I am very interested in the power
vented helmets hooked up to cold air.  I think if my head is cool the rest of
me will be comfortable, and I don't like the idea of the water shirt under a
nomex suit.  What's in those "coolers" - is it an air to water heat exchanger,
or just air getting drawn over ice water?  Baffles? Could I make one?
Feedback much appreciated!


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 08:15:13 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motrah 007 results
Message-ID: <20070530141325.2AE95187AB7@autox.team.net>

Race results from the Motrah weekend have been posted to the SVRA website.

http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument

- Tony


From mattspit at att.net  Wed May 30 14:19:23 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:19:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] advice on selling spitfire
Message-ID: <053020072019.19223.465DDC4B00096DB500004B1721603763169B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

I have a 1974? square tail 1500 spitfire    SCCA FP
I am past my prime and the car needs a new driver.
Selling car, trailer, tow car, parts, etc.
I am going to run an add in Sports car and the Houston SCCA newletter 
Is there an on line site that would be good to list it in.
any other sugestions appreciated.

Thanks
Matt Matthews


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Wed May 30 14:44:12 2007
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] test
Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C8@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Message delivery


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Wed May 30 14:50:45 2007
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:50:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Gold Cup Races
Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C9@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Is anyone going to the Gold Cup Races in June that has an (1) extra pit
pass, will be there from Thursday till Sunday night, will help with what
ever is needed, want have my "4" ready for the race but want to help
where needed.


From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 30 20:29:11 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VIR Gold Cup Races
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References: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C9@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>
Message-ID: <D409D276-6F88-4C47-9054-E4E11B537940@bnj.com>

I'll have extra spots Robert, unless they require Sam the Gay Dog to  
sign up. I suspect if you just give them my name you can claim an  
empty slot. Its highly unlikely that I'll remember to put you on the  
list--things that people tell me fifteen minutes before are usually  
lost forever in the vacuum in my head.
Bill Babcock
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On May 30, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Deanes, Robert wrote:

> Is anyone going to the Gold Cup Races in June that has an (1) extra  
> pit
> pass, will be there from Thursday till Sunday night, will help with  
> what
> ever is needed, want have my "4" ready for the race but want to help
> where needed.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed May 30 20:32:53 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:32:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c7a32b$fdd20830$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>

I'm in.  If the car is done by 2008!  Sorry, at this time, I'm not able to 
help organize.  When the time gets closer is another story.

Todd Redmond


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner 
Cup..Decision Time!!!


> List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
>
> There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides 
> and
> those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
> So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
> A few points of information:
>
> The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
> Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
> SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
>
> Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
> the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
> OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it. 
> Thanks!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>   </HTML>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 05:27:43 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
	<20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net>
	<003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>

Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of 
23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which 
takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for 
the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community 
who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.


At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>Tony/Jack,
>
>We need dates.
>
>Jack
>Just SE of Seattle
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>
>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>
>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>still
> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
> >and Tony?
> >So, who else is coming...
> >
> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
> >
> >
> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett
> >
> >
> >
> >************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
> >_______________________________________________
> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> >Fot mailing list
> >Fot at autox.team.net
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 31 07:55:14 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com><20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net><003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
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Message-ID: <029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>

Jack, can you extend your visit a couple of days?  One of the bigger events 
on the West Coast is the weekend of the 29th through the 1st, the Pacific NW 
Historic races http://www.sovren.org/ .  Most of us TR guys will be getting 
ready and going to the event as well as the club Tyee Triumph 
http://www.tyeetriumph.org/, is usually well represented at this race.
The feature event is Trans Am cars which is great fun as well(bring your 
earplugs).
Hope to see you when you're here and maybe you can make the event.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib at att.net>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH


> Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
> 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
> takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
> the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
> who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>>Tony/Jack,
>>
>>We need dates.
>>
>>Jack
>>Just SE of Seattle
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>
>>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>
>>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>>still
>> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>> >and Tony?
>> >So, who else is coming...
>> >
>> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to 
>> >Hallett
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >************************************** See what's free at
>>http://www.aol.com.
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> >
>> >Fot mailing list
>> >Fot at autox.team.net
>> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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>
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>
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 31 08:23:12 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:23:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
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I was just looking at those dates again. You're going to be there  
during the Pacific NW Historics!!  You and Tony should bring your  
cars and do the race. It's at Pacific Raceways in Kent which is very  
close to Federal Way. It's a big weekend and all the Triumph guys  
will be there. You'd love Pacific Raceway--it's tricky and fun.  Lots  
of elevation changes, compound turns, a long sweeper called Big Indy.  
One of my favorite tracks.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 31, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
> 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
> takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
> the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
> who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>> Tony/Jack,
>>
>> We need dates.
>>
>> Jack
>> Just SE of Seattle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Tony Drews
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>
>> Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>> overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>
>> Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>
>> - Tony
>>
>> At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest  
>>> and east
>>> Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope  
>>> Dennis is
>> still
>>> coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>>> and Tony?
>>> So, who else is coming...
>>>
>>> Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than  
>>> to Hallett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>
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>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 09:06:25 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
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	<003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <200705311506.l4VF6VFo137710@ns3.geneseo.net>

Thanks - we can make the 29th but our return planes are all scheduled 
on the 30th. I tried to get a better schedule on the rental place to 
allow us this weekend in Seattle but coulnd't quite pull it off.

At 08:55 AM 5/31/2007, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>Jack, can you extend your visit a couple of days?  One of the bigger 
>events on the West Coast is the weekend of the 29th through the 1st, 
>the Pacific NW Historic races http://www.sovren.org/ .  Most of us 
>TR guys will be getting ready and going to the event as well as the 
>club Tyee Triumph http://www.tyeetriumph.org/, is usually well 
>represented at this race.
>The feature event is Trans Am cars which is great fun as well(bring 
>your earplugs).
>Hope to see you when you're here and maybe you can make the event.
>Charly Mitchel
>TR6 #44
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
>To: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib at att.net>; "'Tony Drews'" 
><tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>
>
>>Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
>>23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
>>takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
>>the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
>>who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>>
>>
>>At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>>>Tony/Jack,
>>>
>>>We need dates.
>>>
>>>Jack
>>>Just SE of Seattle
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>>
>>>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>>>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>>
>>>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>>
>>>- Tony
>>>
>>>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>>> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>>>still
>>> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>>> >and Tony?
>>> >So, who else is coming...
>>> >
>>> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than 
>>> to >Hallett
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >************************************** See what's free at
>>>http://www.aol.com.
>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>> >
>>> >Fot mailing list
>>> >Fot at autox.team.net
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>>>_______________________________________________
>>>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
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>>
>>uncle jack
>>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu May 31 08:43:58 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:43:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com><20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net><003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion><200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Message-ID: <009c01c7a392$1f7a9b30$280fc548@RWKastner>

That track is just fantastic and I would choose it over Laguna Seca any day.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Jack W. Drews
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH


  I was just looking at those dates again. You're going to be there
  during the Pacific NW Historics!!  You and Tony should bring your
  cars and do the race. It's at Pacific Raceways in Kent which is very
  close to Federal Way. It's a big weekend and all the Triumph guys
  will be there. You'd love Pacific Raceway--it's tricky and fun.  Lots
  of elevation changes, compound turns, a long sweeper called Big Indy.
  One of my favorite tracks.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
  bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency

  You can subscribe to my Blogs
  Via email:
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  On May 31, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

  > Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
  > 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
  > takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
  > the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
  > who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
  >
  >
  > At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
  >> Tony/Jack,
  >>
  >> We need dates.
  >>
  >> Jack
  >> Just SE of Seattle
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-
  >> bounces at autox.team.net] On
  >> Behalf Of Tony Drews
  >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
  >> To: fot at autox.team.net
  >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
  >>
  >> Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
  >> overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
  >>
  >> Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
  >>
  >> - Tony
  >>
  >> At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
  >>> Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest
  >>> and east
  >>> Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope
  >>> Dennis is
  >> still
  >>> coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
  >>> and Tony?
  >>> So, who else is coming...
  >>>
  >>> Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than
  >>> to Hallett
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ************************************** See what's free at
  >> http://www.aol.com.
  >>> _______________________________________________
  >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
  >>>
  >>> Fot mailing list
  >>> Fot at autox.team.net
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu May 31 09:57:22 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:57:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
References: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<20070530120037.562E0187A0A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <004c01c7a39c$6082a9b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

Tony,

I have all my new tappets checked by Steve of Integral Cams. His minimum 
acceptable Rockwell is 58. With that standard, I have had no full set of 8 
pass, including the ones with the "additional hole in the side". I believe 
his current charge for this service is $6 per lifter, including polishing to 
remove the "dimple". Good insurance, regardless of the tappet supplier.

Ed Woods 


From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 10:11:17 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <003c01c7a32b$fdd20830$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>
Message-ID: <949399.48444.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Having cut my teeth on Northern California Tracks and a few Colorado tracks I finally did Watkins Glen 3 weeks ago for the first time. For those that have Watkins "on their list" KEEP IT THERE!!!!
   
  It is extremely exciting and fun - technically challenging, in a high speed way, with the best esses I have ever experienced. With up-hill traction - floor it just before the second apex and drift through the third onto the back straight flat-out WAHOOOOO!!! My Vintage Mustang hit the rev limiter half way down the both straights with 350s ratio rear end (no overdrive) so gear tall. My car never saw second gear after the pits although I redline is set to 6k to favor a stock crank. 
   
  That's the bad news; I heard from a sprite racer in the pits that some smaller car drivers like tighter tracks better. The setting is fabulous, the track is in relatively good condition and run as a first class operation. There are some cement repairs that get your attention if you are on the edge but its easy to see where the line is...
   
  I live in Ithaca 20 minutes away and would love to see you all come out here, feel free to contact me if you want information on the area. 
   
  BTW, I got my TR3 out in the upstate spring and am loving life - great touring here and lots to see. 
   
  Thanks so much to all that assisted me in my quest to breath life back into the old girl. I picked my 75 yr old mother up at the airport in it with the gasket sealer still drying. She bought it 2 yrs old in '59 and got more 1st place trophys racing "powder puff" than my dad did back in the day. Always a point of contention...
   
  Thanks again,
   
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu May 31 10:33:23 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:33:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
Message-ID: <053120071633.20997.465EF8D300014774000052052213539653CE08019D099C@comcast.net>

Joe, Todd and FoT list,

I'm definitely in for the 2008 event.  Will also be arriving trackside early for this year's Zippo with the Spitfire, so if there's interest in FOT paddocking together this year, let me know what areas are prefered and I'll try to get there first.  Garages are way too expensive for me (I'd rather buy a new set of Hoosiers!).

Steve Groh
63 Spitfire
SVRA 393

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
> I'm in.  If the car is done by 2008!  Sorry, at this time, I'm not able to 
> help organize.  When the time gets closer is another story.
> 
> Todd Redmond
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:46 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner 
> Cup..Decision Time!!!
> 
> 
> > List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
> >
> > There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides 
> > and
> > those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
> >
> > So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
> >
> > A few points of information:
> >
> > The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
> >
> > Formula 500 is also a featured race.
> >
> > SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
> > the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
> >
> > OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it. 
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
> >   </HTML>
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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu May 31 10:42:27 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:42:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <949399.48444.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV13AF95D76D52AE6C2CB619B72D0@phx.gbl>

Mark, we'll be thinking of ya' during this weekend's Trans Am race in Pueblo.
Last count shows we've 137 cars all tolled.  Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mark eginton<mailto:dobrosailor at yahoo.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
Cup..Decision Time!!!


  Having cut my teeth on Northern California Tracks and a few Colorado tracks
I finally did Watkins Glen 3 weeks ago for the first time. For those that have
Watkins "on their list" KEEP IT THERE!!!!

    It is extremely exciting and fun - technically challenging, in a high
speed way, with the best esses I have ever experienced. With up-hill traction
- floor it just before the second apex and drift through the third onto the
back straight flat-out WAHOOOOO!!! My Vintage Mustang hit the rev limiter half
way down the both straights with 350s ratio rear end (no overdrive) so gear
tall. My car never saw second gear after the pits although I redline is set to
6k to favor a stock crank.

    That's the bad news; I heard from a sprite racer in the pits that some
smaller car drivers like tighter tracks better. The setting is fabulous, the
track is in relatively good condition and run as a first class operation.
There are some cement repairs that get your attention if you are on the edge
but its easy to see where the line is...

    I live in Ithaca 20 minutes away and would love to see you all come out
here, feel free to contact me if you want information on the area.

    BTW, I got my TR3 out in the upstate spring and am loving life - great
touring here and lots to see.

    Thanks so much to all that assisted me in my quest to breath life back
into the old girl. I picked my 75 yr old mother up at the airport in it with
the gasket sealer still drying. She bought it 2 yrs old in '59 and got more
1st place trophys racing "powder puff" than my dad did back in the day. Always
a point of contention...

    Thanks again,

    Mark


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From scypher at usa.com  Thu May 31 11:10:36 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Advice on Selling Spitfire
Message-ID: <20070531171037.39EA8478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

The prod car site, http://prodracing.com/prodcar/index.php is probably
the best place to start, as well as GrassRoots motor sports magazine
classified. Selfishly, however,I may have found a buyer for my other
spitfire chassis and some spares to a gentlemen who wants to race a
vintage 1500, so now I have room again.  Send me an email at
scypher at usa.com, and we can talk about what you have, I may be
interested. Thanks-Scott


From AA00727 at aol.com  Thu May 31 19:00:56 2007
From: AA00727 at aol.com (AA00727 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:00:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR 3  Emergency Brake Handle
Message-ID: <d36.90ef40c.3390c9c8@aol.com>

Any TR-3 racers have an Emergency Brake handle laying around that is  in good 
shape? I'm restoring a TR for the street.
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 19:25:42 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
Message-ID: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>

Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening 
June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel 
arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get 
the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for 
our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 31 20:56:51 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
References: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <02fc01c7a3f8$83c08e40$0502a8c0@desktop>

We can almost promise no rain that weekend.  It hardly ever rains the 4th 
holiday weekend, except when it does.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!


> Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening
> June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel
> arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get
> the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for
> our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?
>
> uncle jack
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From jibjib at att.net  Thu May 31 22:56:11 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <00fd01c7a409$2d9d8f70$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

> Can you promise that it won't rain?

Not until the 5th of July. . . . 

Jack

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Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:26 PM
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Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!

Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening 
June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel 
arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get 
the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for 
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From mediehljr at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 06:48:20 2007
From: mediehljr at yahoo.com (Ed Diehl)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:48:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor
In-Reply-To: <028301c78b7a$6bd1c8d0$69d3fc04@your55e5f9e3d2>
Message-ID: <540250.78765.qm@web51909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, guys, that works really well. I did that for years with my Spitfire racecar and had no problems. Cheers, Ed.

riverside <riverside at cedar-rapids.net> wrote:  I remember Smokey Yunick recommending that
dizzy be locked (with no advance mechanism of any
kind) at the preferred total advance number. Starting
was achieved by spinning the motor with the ign. turned
off until oil pressure was showing and then the ign
switch thrown to the on position.
Anybody ever try that?
Henry's getting pretty close!!

art de armond
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Vucinic" 

To: "FOT" 
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Mallory Distributor


> Dear Listers,
>
> Can those of you running the Mallory Twin Point distributor (Mechanical
> Advance) in TR4's please give me some advice on where to start with: -
>
> a) Initial timing used
>
> b) Total mechanical advance used
>
> c) What RPM total advance is achieved
>
>
>
> Thank you for your assistance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Peter Vucinic
>
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue May  1 09:39:07 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:39:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
Message-ID: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>

I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom is
there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat treating,
quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as any
experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue May  1 09:58:28 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:58:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

And what's the right hardness for lifters/tappets/cam followers?  Is
70RC too hard, just right?

When I bought a set of Spitfire lifters recently from APT, they told me
that they're hardness testing each batch they get and that the batch out
of which I bought a set were at 70 or so  (I can't recall specifically,
70..71...whatever it takes...)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:39 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
Importance: Low

I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but
seldom is there any mention of technical specification, such as
hardness, heat treating, quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have
received from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as
any experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May  1 13:40:36 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:40:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
References: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8C95A3FB9A13C5C-1BAC-1D8A@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com>

Have your old ones re-surfaced.  Hardness should be around HRC 58 minimum, and there is plenty of stock to re-grind the face, as long as the grinder doesn't get carried away.  Usually around $3 per lifter from a reputable cam grinder.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire Racer
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers


I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).

Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.

Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom is
there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat treating,
quality of original material...

This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)

Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.

British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
(Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)

Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)

TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12

Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)

Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)

Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12

Rimmers: $84/set 12

Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.

The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12

Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)

APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)

APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)

Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)

Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)

Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.

My favorites at the moment are:

Chris Witor's
Goodparts'
BPNW's

Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
from them, coupled with their product knowlege.

I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as any
experiences with various cam followers fitted?

Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com

Many thanks

Lion

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  1 14:07:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:07:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   TR6 tappets/cam followers
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483133@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <194B3127-F882-4570-9686-3AF68ACC8A63@bnj.com>

I'm not a metallurgist, and I don't even play one on TV, but I don't  
think there's an upper limit for how hard you'd like these things to  
be other than the potential for them shattering. My ceramic lifters  
are harder than you can probably make steel, and they have marvelous  
wear characteristics--both for the lifters and the cam.

Now if I could just remember who I got them from. They are absurdly  
expensive, but I'd have to say worth it so far. No detectable wear on  
either the lifters or the cam after two hard seasons. I've never seen  
that before. There's always some wear or some surface cracking.
Bill Babcock
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On May 1, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

> And what's the right hardness for lifters/tappets/cam followers?  Is
> 70RC too hard, just right?
>
> When I bought a set of Spitfire lifters recently from APT, they  
> told me
> that they're hardness testing each batch they get and that the  
> batch out
> of which I bought a set were at 70 or so  (I can't recall  
> specifically,
> 70..71...whatever it takes...)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
> bounces at autox.team.net] On
> Behalf Of Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 10:39 AM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [BULK] [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
> Importance: Low
>
> I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).
>
> Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.
>
> Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but
> seldom is there any mention of technical specification, such as
> hardness, heat treating, quality of original material...
>
> This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)
>
> Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.
>
> British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
> (Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)
>
> Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12
>
> Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)
>
> Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)
>
> Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12
>
> Rimmers: $84/set 12
>
> Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.
>
> The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12
>
> Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.
>
> My favorites at the moment are:
>
> Chris Witor's
> Goodparts'
> BPNW's
>
> Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have
> received from them, coupled with their product knowlege.
>
> I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as  
> well as
> any experiences with various cam followers fitted?
>
> Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lion
>
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  1 18:16:29 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:16:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] groov-O-matic
Message-ID: <451275.10428.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

AMICI - today the box from ISKYracing cams finally arrived UPS.  I was very excited!
  My groov-O-matic was finally here.  I had decided awhile ago that I was going to O-ring my own piston liners for my next engine build.  So over the course of the last couple of weeks I put an old race engine up on the stand and took it apart.  I've been measuring, honeing, cleaning, thinking about chevy rods, making trips to the machine shop, but really wanting to make some grooves.  I open the box this afternoon only to find no groov-O-matic, but instead some other Isky part with a very similar stock number.  Wow - did I freak.  A call to Isky eventually got me to Ron Iskenderian and the promise of a Friday groov-O-matic and a free T-shirt shipment via UPS.  Life in a small midwestern town!  Whew!
   
  I would like some help from the group on a more important issue - How sloppy can we run these 87mm piston liners.  Tell me - how much do you guys take off of these liners in a rebuild situation. 4 thou too much?  What's your take?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May  1 20:09:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:09:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Shirts
Message-ID: <cf8.cb8d733.33694cbd@cs.com>

FoT,

The response so far on FoT T-Shirts is sufficient to proceed.  But we need 
some more to make it worth Ted's time.

One observation is that it seems to be the usual suspects ordering these and 
involved.

There are over 250 folks on this list. There are no requirements for anyone 
to buy a T-shirt, but it is something that you can be proud of.

No hard sell here. It doesnt benefit me in anyway. And Ted has kicked back 
some cash to the FoT Fund so it's not a big moneymaker for him.

Marty Sukey may be the coordinator for shirt orders, but I dont think I have 
cleared that with him, yet. He is also looking after MOTRAH-007 shirts and 
promoting the Autocross at MOTRAH-007.  seems pretty busy, but there is no real 
deadline set on this effort.

Regards,

Joe (A) 



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May  1 20:43:32 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 21:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Stuff
Message-ID: <BAY123-F57C2DBF61A872479CFAC8BA420@phx.gbl>

Alright, since Joe outed me I might as well fess up. I volunteered to give 
Kermit a helping hand with the MOTRAH sales goodies. There are some neat 
Grill Badges, Posters and t-shirts made up for this years MOTRAH event. I 
believe I will have a table or something set up at the dinner friday night 
to pass out all the pre-ordered stuff. So you guys order something so I will 
have something to do other than sit there and drink beer. The server will 
probably strip off all the attachments about the products so if you are at 
all interested email me direct and i will email you back a pdf file. Also 
the Saturday autocross is coming together nicely. Not a real big field yet 
so there should be a bunch of runs available to us. If you have not signed 
up and are interested email me and i can get you the registration info. The 
autox is open to Triumph, Austin Healey and Morgans only. Any car from stock 
to full race.

And on the FOT t-shirts, aw what the hell, if Ted will put up with me again 
I would be happy to coordinate the order.

Marty Sukey



We have MOTRAH 007 event posters
18 X 28 inches printed on high quality stock.
And now, MOTRAH 007 T shirts
If you would like to order any of our memorabilia items in advance you can
open the attached PDF or print the last page of this email, fill in the
appropriate blanks, and

send with your check to:

       MOTRAH 007 Headquarters, 5826 Queens Cove, Lisle IL 60532

Please send the following items:

Motrah Grill badge(s)               @ $60.00 X___________= $___________

Motrah Poster(s)                       @ $10.00 X__________ = $___________

Motrah Tee Shirt(s) Small         @ $15.00 X__________ = $___________


                                Medium     @ $15.00 X__________ =
$___________


                                 Large         @ $15.00 X__________ =
$___________



                                         X Large      @ $15.00 X__________ =
$___________



                                 XX Large    @ $17.00 X__________ =
$___________


Shipping                                      @  5.00 x         1
= $___________

No shipping, picking up at track.
____________



TOTAL AMOUNT ENCLOSED
$____________



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From john at race-dogs.com  Tue May  1 21:14:06 2007
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:14:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
References: <c5c.10f5cea8.3368b91b@wmconnect.com>
	<8C95A3FB9A13C5C-1BAC-1D8A@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001801c78c67$f1d07880$1f01a8c0@jawsxp>

I've used the BPNW ones and never had a issue- The ones I've gotten from 
them have also been drilled and hardened-
Don't know if they still carry those-
Will never use a set of Kent ones again!!
Good luck-

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP3
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chasgee at aol.com>
To: <Guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers


> Have your old ones re-surfaced.  Hardness should be around HRC 58 minimum, 
> and there is plenty of stock to re-grind the face, as long as the grinder 
> doesn't get carried away.  Usually around $3 per lifter from a reputable 
> cam grinder.
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire Racer
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 8:39 AM
> Subject: [Fot] TR6 tappets/cam followers
>
>
> I am looking for the best quality cam followers out there. (143552).
>
> Whilst I am not made of money, price is secondary to quality.
>
> Apparently, everone, and their brother is selling these things but seldom 
> is
> there any mention of technical specification, such as hardness, heat 
> treating,
> quality of original material...
>
> This is what I found: (converted to US Dollars/No shipping/Tax)
>
> Britishclassiccarspares.com (UK website): $48/set 12.
>
> British Parts North West: $48.36/set 12
> (Rockwell hardness tested at 54, minimum should be 50)
>
> Canley Classics: $63.60/set 12 (standard)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $65.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> TD Fitchetts (UK): $66/set 12
>
> Moss (Europe): $66/set 12 (standard)
>
> Goodparts (Richard Good, USA): $75/set 12 (standard)
>
> Victoria British (USA): $83.40/set 12
>
> Rimmers: $84/set 12
>
> Chris Witor: $84/set 12, Good aftermarket.
>
> The Roadster Factory: $95.40/set 12
>
> Revington TR: $95.88/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> APT: $101.76/set 12 (standard)
>
> APT: $125.76/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Canley Classics: $142.80/set 12 (tuftrided)
>
> Moss Europe: $150.00/set 12 (lightened & tuftrided)
>
> Cambridge Motor Sport: $162.86/set 'Kent'.
>
> My favorites at the moment are:
>
> Chris Witor's
> Goodparts'
> BPNW's
>
> Based on the general quailty of the service and parts that I have received
> from them, coupled with their product knowlege.
>
> I would be most interested in anyone's comments on the above, as well as 
> any
> experiences with various cam followers fitted?
>
> Please email me directly on Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>
> Many thanks
>
> Lion
>
> <A
> HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
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>
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From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue May  1 21:46:11 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:46:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire J Type OD parts needed.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1178042401.2613.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c78c6c$6d4280e0$6401a8c0@Guinan>

If anyone has a J-Type OD from a Spitfire that is otherwise useless -
internally trashed, broken case or something - I have a friend in Eastern
Iowa that is looking for some parts that did not come with a unit he
purchased.  Let me know your price, and I'll pass the info along.  Needed
parts;

UKC3600 - Top Cover
UKC2939 - Tower Assembly
TKC1305 - End Plate Cover
UKC2892 - Selector Shaft to Tower 
All the Speedo Drive and Cable parts.  

Thanks in advance...

Joe Guinan
751 Day Drive
Fremont, NE 68025
Home Phone - 402-727-8011
joeg at neb.rr.com


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May  1 22:04:11 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:04:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] H6 Dashpots
Message-ID: <005f01c78c6e$f0dc0230$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

While preping my TR4 for the next race, I noticed that the threads on the carb
dashpot are virtually worn smooth.  Obviously, the damper barely stays in
place.  Does anyone have a spare dashpot with threads they could part with?

One other item I found is that the tips of the dampers where the "C" washer
attaches, were almost completely worn away so that the washers fell off when I
lifted the dampers out of the dashpots.  New dampers are on order.

Thanks,

Gary
1962 TR4
1969 TR6


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May  2 06:23:30 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:23:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>

Marty Sukey has agreed to coordinate FOT Shirt Order. On top of other FoT 
Volunteerism.

Marty's E-mail is   trmarty at hotmail.com

I have a list of folks interested that I will forward to Marty, but it would 
be good to confirm with him, directly, on size and quantity and address.

Price needs to quoted. There could be as many as 50 ordered and this might 
impact the price. Ted can you give me a quote on that basis?

Thanks Marty & Ted!

Joe Alexander

BTW, You new guys need to wear the FoT 'coat of arms' as presented by Greg 
Petrolati on this quality T-Shirt.  Be part of the group.   </HTML>


From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Wed May  2 07:55:30 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:55:30 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FoT Shirts
Message-ID: <050220071355.24291.463898520003F8B100005EE32207021053CE08019D099C@comcast.net>

Joe/Marty/Ted,

Count me in for 2

Steve Groh
SVRA #393 63 Spitfire
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> FoT,
> 
> The response so far on FoT T-Shirts is sufficient to proceed.  But we need 
> some more to make it worth Ted's time.
> 
> One observation is that it seems to be the usual suspects ordering these and 
> involved.
> 
> There are over 250 folks on this list. There are no requirements for anyone 
> to buy a T-shirt, but it is something that you can be proud of.
> 
> No hard sell here. It doesnt benefit me in anyway. And Ted has kicked back 
> some cash to the FoT Fund so it's not a big moneymaker for him.
> 
> Marty Sukey may be the coordinator for shirt orders, but I dont think I have 
> cleared that with him, yet. He is also looking after MOTRAH-007 shirts and 
> promoting the Autocross at MOTRAH-007.  seems pretty busy, but there is no real 
> deadline set on this effort.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Joe (A) 
> 
> 
> 
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 10:30:30 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:30:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>
References: <cca.e6e3b63.3369dcc2@cs.com>
Message-ID: <E65522D2-00FE-425D-88F2-A97A9159F21D@bnj.com>

As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of  
them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a  
designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I  
like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color  
other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a  
lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can  
get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey  
that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll  
have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and  
sure she'll appreciate it.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 2, 2007, at 5:23 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Marty Sukey has agreed to coordinate FOT Shirt Order. On top of  
> other FoT
> Volunteerism.
>
> Marty's E-mail is   trmarty at hotmail.com
>
> I have a list of folks interested that I will forward to Marty, but  
> it would
> be good to confirm with him, directly, on size and quantity and  
> address.
>
> Price needs to quoted. There could be as many as 50 ordered and  
> this might
> impact the price. Ted can you give me a quote on that basis?
>
> Thanks Marty & Ted!
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> BTW, You new guys need to wear the FoT 'coat of arms' as presented  
> by Greg
> Petrolati on this quality T-Shirt.  Be part of the group.   </HTML>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed May  2 10:56:31 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:56:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/02/2007 11:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of  
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a  
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I  
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color  
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a  
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can  
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey  
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll  
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and  
> sure she'll appreciate it.
> 

Not only that...buying one for the wife in an XL size makes sense as well.  
Oversized tee shirts make super 'Baby Doll' pajamas...and that's vintage 
terminology.  XL is a better size for pajamas.  More comfortable.  Easy to get out 
of...and the baggier size leaves more to the imagination.  At some point in 
life that becomes critical.   

I look terrible in Tee Shirts, so most of mine go to the wife...who looks 
great in them.  And when she gets up and moves around the bedroom, it looks like 
a couple of cats fighting in a burlap bag.  Yeah...get the XL for the wife.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From JReed at wilson.com  Wed May  2 11:11:40 2007
From: JReed at wilson.com (JReed at wilson.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <OF00AF1907.793F323C-ON862572CF.005DEB45-882572CF.0069000C@wilson.com>

Thanks for the mental image I have.....I laughed out load!





Regards,
John Reed
Staff Photographer
Wilson Sporting Goods Co.
8700 W Bryn Mawr Ave, Chicago, Illinois 60631, USA
Tel. + 1.773.490.8908, fax +1.773.714.4585
JReed at wilson.com  www.wilson.com  www.amersports.com
 
 



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05/02/07 09:56 AM

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cc
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Subject
Re: [Fot] (no subject)






In a message dated 05/02/2007 11:31:52 AM Central Daylight Time, 
billb at bnj.com writes:


> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of 
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a 
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I 
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color 
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a 
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can 
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey 
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll 
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and 
> sure she'll appreciate it.
> 

Not only that...buying one for the wife in an XL size makes sense as well. 
 
Oversized tee shirts make super 'Baby Doll' pajamas...and that's vintage 
terminology.  XL is a better size for pajamas.  More comfortable.  Easy to 
get out 
of...and the baggier size leaves more to the imagination.  At some point 
in 
life that becomes critical. 

I look terrible in Tee Shirts, so most of mine go to the wife...who looks 
great in them.  And when she gets up and moves around the bedroom, it 
looks like 
a couple of cats fighting in a burlap bag.  Yeah...get the XL for the 
wife.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 12:56:20 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:56:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>
References: <ce1.10912382.336a1cbf@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1424B68-6C3C-4E24-B3FE-2E9E0AE17B0F@bnj.com>

Sometimes Billy you just scare me.
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On May 2, 2007, at 9:56 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

>
> As you know I have a lot of FOT shirts. My wife is deeply sick of
> them. She particularly dislikes the coat of arms because she's a
> designer, and would want to do something far more trendy. Of course I
> like them a lot and wear them all the time.  I'd like to see a color
> other than white. It shows oil too quickly, and lord knows there's a
> lot of oil surrounding anything Triumph. I'd take five XL if I can
> get them in a stately grey, or even better, that kind of mottled grey
> that doesn't show oil until the shirt is actually saturated. And I'll
> have one in a size medium for my wife--it makes a lovely gift and
> sure she'll appreciate it.


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 15:57:45 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders
Message-ID: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>

Hoooooooooooold on. No orders happening yet. Let me get a proposal put 
together and get back to the group and then I can start taking orders.


Thanks,
Marty Sukey

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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May  2 17:27:54 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 01:27:54 +0200
Subject: [Fot] test
References: <BAY130-F290242E7990D74FA01A544A55B0@phx.gbl>
	<46183849.38DEE62C@greenapple.com>
	<003d01c78529$dd2855f0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<64808785-4307-44D5-BD6E-54E7DB0AC93C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <003601c78d11$831b66c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Hi Bill,

I've checked with my ISP and my mail boxes....all are ready and prepared to
receive FOT mails. I've welcomed the FOT address to my mail boxes so all
should be able to get mails from FOT.

Now...how to make FOT to send me mails?

Cheers
Chris

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: triumph_marx at freenet.de
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 4:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] test


  I hear you Chris. Seems to work fine. I think you chose the worst possible
time to change email addresses--when Mark was being nibbled to death by ducks.

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  On Apr 22, 2007, at 3:01 PM, <triumph_marx at freenet.de> wrote:


    More than one month off list.


    Anyone who can read this?
    Used my old address maybe the old one is better?


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed May  2 19:43:38 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:43:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Crew
Message-ID: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>

Jason and I are heading to Road America for the MOTRAH event. If anybody has 
a couple of unused crew slots they want to sell us shoot me an email.

Marty Sukey

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From klynch7589 at aol.com  Wed May  2 19:49:58 2007
From: klynch7589 at aol.com (klynch7589 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:49:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F216A41992A6E220C9C496BA420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C95B3C7D8A45ED-DAC-217A@webmail-stg-d06.sysops.aol.com>

Understand that completely ... no rush here.
 
Kevin 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: trmarty at hotmail.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt orders


Hoooooooooooold on. No orders happening yet. Let me get a proposal put 
together and get back to the group and then I can start taking orders.


Thanks,
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From Group44TR7 at aol.com  Wed May  2 19:57:43 2007
From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:57:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
Message-ID: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>

Amici
 
    Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until the last 
several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the engine 
seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to when this 
happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start, it suddenly 
start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
 
    Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not get it to 
fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not  starting; so we 
towed it over today after it did not start and it started right  away. The garage 
says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be 
speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had similar  problems or 
suggestions on the most probably cause. 
 
Cary
 



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From koblinger at verizon.net  Wed May  2 21:22:39 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:22:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
Message-ID: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>

Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.

Cheers,
Kurt O.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed May  2 21:30:03 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:30:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
References: <4639557F.8040601@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000701c78d33$569b1100$0301000a@Chowdown>

I'll be up there with my TR3B

~Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kurt Oblinger" <koblinger at verizon.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow


> Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
> weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
> some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kurt O.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 21:36:42 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:36:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH Crew
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F237AF0090158E11C3FD6C3BA410@phx.gbl>
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Hey Marty,
As far as I know I'll be there by myself. Bill Hart and John James  
are also coming from the Northwest and I suspect their crew will  
consist of Tony Garmey and not much else. I could be wrong. But at  
the very least you can have all my crew slots.
Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 6:43 PM, marty sukey wrote:

> Jason and I are heading to Road America for the MOTRAH event. If  
> anybody has
> a couple of unused crew slots they want to sell us shoot me an email.
>
> Marty Sukey
>
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From chasgee at aol.com  Wed May  2 22:50:03 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:50:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow
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Message-ID: <8C95B55A59D2D0B-106C-9879@MBLK-M40.sysops.aol.com>

I'll be there!  Come look us Triumph guys up, should be at the NW corner of the pits.  Should be a bunch of us.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire Racer 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: koblinger at verizon.net
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, 2 May 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: [Fot] Buttonwillow


Just wondering if any of the faithful will be at Buttonwillow this 
weekend. I'm planning on going up Sunday and see if I can figure out 
some of the bells and whistles on my digital camera.

Cheers,
Kurt O.
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From dave at microworks.net  Wed May  2 23:30:08 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 22:30:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Coolest Triumphest Poster EVER
Message-ID: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Visit the Triumphest 2007 website and click on the thumbnail of the 
poster. It's on the left hand side in the middle next to the planned events.

We are looking at printing these up to sale for Triumhpest.  Probably 
a poster every TR lover should have on the Garage wall.  "Bond, James 
Bond", Bond Girls and TR's!

http://www.triumphest.com

The copy that I put on the website is only 600 pixels wide.  The 
original HiRez that we will be making posters of is over 1,000 pixels 
wide.  Should make for some very nice posters.


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed May  2 23:46:58 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:46:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Coolest Triumphest Poster EVER
In-Reply-To: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20070503053409.SEPN6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <46397752.5010204@bradakis.com>

I'll take two!

You know, I bet my recently revived, clapped out hulk of a Spitfire
might be in good enough shape to make it to Laughlin by October.
Or I might have a 7, or another Spit, or ....

I've only been meaning to attend Triumphest for the last bazillion
years or so.

mjb.


From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  2 23:39:21 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:39:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
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References: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0C2E1723-1792-45DE-B63F-3F0D17156F11@bnj.com>

I'd look at the fuel pump in the tank. They can get gunked up or  
start failing to rotate and then suddenly kick in. Pain in the ass to  
replace sometimes, but the part is relatively cheap.
Bill Babcock
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On May 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote:

> Amici
>
>     Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until  
> the last
> several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the  
> engine
> seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to  
> when this
> happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start,  
> it suddenly
> start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
>
>     Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not  
> get it to
> fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not   
> starting; so we
> towed it over today after it did not start and it started right   
> away. The garage
> says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be
> speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had  
> similar  problems or
> suggestions on the most probably cause.
>
> Cary
>
>
>
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Thu May  3 01:44:53 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 00:44:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
Message-ID: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with 
some artillery hard mounted to the roof?

http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Thu May  3 06:39:36 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
In-Reply-To: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
References: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
Message-ID: <f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>

How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those "drivers" who 
follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?

Allen

On May 3, 2007, at 2:44 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:

> Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with
> some artillery hard mounted to the roof?
>
> http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/
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>
A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu May  3 07:07:07 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:07:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s
Message-ID: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>

FoT   IMPORTANT!

Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts of any of the 12 Hours of 
Sebring TR4s?

Even rumors.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Thu May  3 08:01:21 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:01:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
References: <20070503075528.SINU1235.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>
	<f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <003701c78d8b$884bfb80$0200a8c0@Desktop>

30 feet you sore don't drive in the mid Atlantic area ( its less)
Craig


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Washatko" <awashatko at wi.rr.com>
To: "David W. Riddle" <dave at microworks.net>
Cc: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?


> How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those "drivers" who 
> follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?
> 
> Allen
> 
> On May 3, 2007, at 2:44 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
> 
>> Instead of a decal on the windshield how about fitting our cars with
>> some artillery hard mounted to the roof?
>>
>> http://www.leftlanedrivers.org/
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>>
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May  3 09:18:06 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:18:06 -0800
Subject: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??
References: <bd8.15bf4612.336a9b97@aol.com>
	<0C2E1723-1792-45DE-B63F-3F0D17156F11@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <027d01c78d96$40a69be0$1a02a8c0@workstation3>

We had a similar problem in a van and it was a loose wire on the fuel pump,
the forward one.  It seems it has 3 fuel pumps, one in each tank and a main.
In another van we had a problem where the van would start and not run.  If
you held the rpm's up after it started it would be good once it warmed up.
We had to wait until the check again light came on to register a code.  it
was easy after that, a $20 part.  There are about 40 $20 parts(sensors) on
this motor.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <billb at bnj.com>
To: <Group44TR7 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Badly Behaving Ford Explorer .....Any Ideas ??


> I'd look at the fuel pump in the tank. They can get gunked up or
> start failing to rotate and then suddenly kick in. Pain in the ass to
> replace sometimes, but the part is relatively cheap.
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
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> Sub=168304
>
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>
>
>
> On May 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, Group44TR7 at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Amici
> >
> >     Our 1992 Ford Explorer has been a very  reliable vehicle until
> > the last
> > several months. Now, every once in a while,  it does start with the
> > engine
> > seeming starved for fuel. There is no clear  pattern emerging as to
> > when this
> > happens. However, after sitting a while after  refusing to start,
> > it suddenly
> > start again. Then it works fine for many days or  even weeks.
> >
> >     Each time, we have brought it to the garage, they  could not
> > get it to
> > fail. So we had an agreement to tow it over when it was not
> > starting; so we
> > towed it over today after it did not start and it started right
> > away. The garage
> > says there is a long list of potential causes such that it  would be
> > speculation on their part to start doing anything, anyone had
> > similar  problems or
> > suggestions on the most probably cause.
> >
> > Cary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** See what's free at http://
> > www.aol.com.
> > _______________________________________________
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From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 09:16:00 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:16:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto
In-Reply-To: <004e01c78b8c$1cefd330$bf524c0c@user90890nvpgh>
Message-ID: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>

Amici,
>
>  The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a
>Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair.
>The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable,
>Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on
>key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on
>magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto,
>is there any advance built into it? Just wondering.
>
>Bill
>Triumph Rescue

I don't know if this will help, but:

If it's like an aircraft magneto, there is no advance in it. You static-time 
an aircraft magneto to a given degree before TDC and it fires there every 
time. The spark event doesn't change.

There is a spring-mechanical coupling device (called an impulse coupling) 
between the mag and the drive gear that retards the spark until TDC during 
starting. It disengages once the engine starts and the mag fires at the 
setting BTDC. Don't know if car mags have impulse couplings.

Aircraft engines run in a very small RPM band, so car mags might be 
different.

John


From billb at bnj.com  Thu May  3 09:54:53 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:54:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mallory dist now Vertex magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY130-F10D2B47F9E3EE1C5B02453A5410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <72BAF8E4-1CEA-4862-A645-180523D1777D@bnj.com>

If a car magneto has an advance mechanism it's usually very obvious  
since it generally rotates the entire housing. You can't just move  
the point base (or at least you can't if you want a good spark). The  
point opening has to be timed to the position of the rotor relative  
to the magnet, otherwise it opens when too little current is flowing  
through the coil and the voltage produced is lower.

You can get away with moving the cam around a little on a motorcycle  
magneto because it only has one or two sparks per rotation and  
therefore the magnets can be wide. The cam on a Lucas mag is a hollow  
cylinder that is eccentrically ground on the inside--the points run  
against the inside, and the spark retard mechanism manually rotates  
the cylinder in the housing. But even then the mechanism is just for  
starting and does result in a weaker spark when it's used.

All of this is a sore point for me--the magneto for a Vincent is  
always problematic because it's a 50 degree V twin. The spark is  
compromised no matter what you do and gets much weaker in at least  
one cylinder when you use the retarding mechanism--a big problem when  
you're trying to kick start a high compression 1000cc V twin (1200  
cc's in the case of my hotrodded Vincent) with a very lumpy cam and a  
very primitive quadrant style kick mechanism. I'm giving up on period- 
correct fixes and replacing the guts of my magneto with an electronic  
ignition system. I've had enough embarrassing moments starting this  
beast. Oh for an electric starter like the RTV clone motor had.

Bill Babcock
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On May 3, 2007, at 8:16 AM, John Herrera wrote:

> Amici,
>>
>>  The shop I work at has an XK-120 with a
>> Vertex Scintilla magneto ignition in for repair.
>> The drill for starting it is: Pull fast idle cable,
>> Pull starting carb solenoid switch on, Turn on
>> key switch, Push starter button, Then turn on
>> magneto toggle. I'm not familiar with this magneto,
>> is there any advance built into it? Just wondering.
>>
>> Bill
>> Triumph Rescue
>
> I don't know if this will help, but:
>
> If it's like an aircraft magneto, there is no advance in it. You  
> static-time
> an aircraft magneto to a given degree before TDC and it fires there  
> every
> time. The spark event doesn't change.
>
> There is a spring-mechanical coupling device (called an impulse  
> coupling)
> between the mag and the drive gear that retards the spark until TDC  
> during
> starting. It disengages once the engine starts and the mag fires at  
> the
> setting BTDC. Don't know if car mags have impulse couplings.
>
> Aircraft engines run in a very small RPM band, so car mags might be
> different.
>
> John
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From RYoung at NavComTech.com  Thu May  3 12:05:15 2007
From: RYoung at NavComTech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:05:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Left Lane Drivers of America?
In-Reply-To: <f72865e180a7f20f8baeee30905a3295@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20070503180458.BGJQ19599.mta10.adelphia.net@randall>

> How about an "OFF MY ASS"  sticker/club for all those 
> "drivers" who follow you 30' off your bumper at 70 MPH?

Around here, if there's a whole 30' free, someone will put an BFSUV in it !

Randall


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May  3 17:58:25 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:58:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] aluminum hub availability
Message-ID: <200705032358.l43NwZxQ509784@ns3.geneseo.net>

I have persuaded Southwick to make another run of aluminum hubs. The 
price will be $565 because of the increase in price of aluminum and 
especially the bearings. If you want a set, please send a deposit 
check of $250.

Make out the check to "Southwick Machine and Design".

Send it to me at

Jack W. Drews
514 North Vail Street
Geneseo IL 61254

When the hubs are ready we will tell you, you can send the remainder, 
and the hubs will be shipped.

Thanks.

uncle jack


uncle jack 

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From TR3A at att.net  Thu May  3 18:06:05 2007
From: TR3A at att.net (Susan and Jack)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers
Message-ID: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

.


From jibjib at att.net  Thu May  3 18:06:55 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:06:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] OBD tools
Message-ID: <01e301c78de0$213a0630$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack

 

 

 

 

 

jib


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Thu May  3 22:11:36 2007
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s
In-Reply-To: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>
References: <c9a.1003e9a4.336b387b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000001c78e02$4f2c71a0$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2>

If my memory serves me correctly, Fred Schmitt in Port Charlotte Fla. has
the number 42 and 43 cars. He restored the 43 car 10 or so years ago. I have
no contact info for him.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:07 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring - Kas' TR4s

FoT   IMPORTANT!

Does anyone have any knowledge of the whereabouts of any of the 12 Hours of 
Sebring TR4s?

Even rumors.

Thanks!

Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From LOddTR at aol.com  Fri May  4 10:32:44 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:32:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] 12 Hours of Sebring  -  Kas' TR4s - Fred Schmidt
Message-ID: <cdc.10448379.336cba2c@aol.com>

Found this on ask.com  
"
Call Fred Schmidt, in Port Charlotte, Fl. phone Number: > 941-627-6813. 
Thanks, > Phil Smith > TR6 ...



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From jaboruch at netzero.com  Fri May  4 18:15:21 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.com (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 00:15:21 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges
Message-ID: <20070504.171537.1570.2122377@webmail07.nyc.untd.com>

I have been invited to drive on a team for the SCCA's 24 hour race at Nelson
Ledges in August.  I have never been to Nelson Ledges (yes, I just read Bill's
blog on learning new tracks).  Does anyone have any in-car video of the track
that you could share?  Joe(B)


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri May  4 21:06:56 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 22:06:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] enclosed trailer setup advice
Message-ID: <f5988c193345f.463bae80@insightbb.com>

Amici,

I have just upgraded the trailer to a 8.5' x 16' enclosed trailer, not the biggest I know, but perfect for the spitfire.

What it's got:
A workbench at the front with a shelf above it and room for stuff below it
A space on the side next to the work bench to strap the rolling tool box to the wall
A rack for 3 5gallon fuel jugs
A tire rack across the back by the ramp door (holds 10 spitfire tires)
2 4' fluorescent fixtures in the center
1 2' fluorescent under the shelf for the work bench
2 electrical outlets
A small generator to run the lights etc.
standard stuff on the door to hold oil, spray cans, paper towels etc.

My questions are:
Does anyone have good tips on how to store stuff in the trailer, maybe some photos of how you store some spares or have stuff setup. (list of spares is: engine, gearbox, bell housing, various gaskets, u-joints, bearings, electrical, some suspension bits).
I have not mounted the winch yet.  Any suggestions?  I've though of putting it under the floor and just feed the cable up, but you lose the accesability to the free wheel option.
Some ideas for outside lights would be nice?
Where can I get a FOT decal to throw on the outside to go next to the Spitfire 1500 sticker and the SCCA sticker :)
Up until now, I've either had a single axle open trailer (remember that piece of work Bill?) or the trailer that had the box in front.  All of that stuff was in tubs, I'm wondering if there is a better method to the madness.
cheers,
Aaron Johnson
#87 HP Spitfire 1500


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Sat May  5 06:34:17 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:34:17 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <20070505.053502.21820.2634455@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>

I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my TR4
intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should be
blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 different
things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any dyno
testing to determine if it is worth while?
Joe(B)


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sat May  5 08:51:21 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 07:51:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
References: <20070505.053502.21820.2634455@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <004301c78f24$d8a0f410$0502a8c0@desktop>

Joe, I'm not sure what could be gained from blocking it off.
On my MGB, streetcar, when I ported and polished the manifold, I spent extra 
time cleaning the area around the crossover and down inside it.  The gain 
was incredible for such a minor task.
I would think the motor would benefit from the additional intake of the 
opposing carburetor.  On a MG the head only has 1 intake port to share 
between 2 cylinders and maybe it makes more sense to share 2 carbs also.
Just my thoughts.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:34 AM
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


>I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my 
>TR4
> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should 
> be
> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 
> different
> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any 
> dyno
> testing to determine if it is worth while?
> Joe(B)
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Sat May  5 12:48:26 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>

I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
was important, I would think that we would have seen
x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
carbs.

Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md

>I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my 
>TR4
>intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should 
>be
>blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2 
>different
>things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but that
>still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any 
>dyno
>testing to determine if it is worth while?
>Joe(B)

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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sat May  5 14:16:22 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 16:16:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <bf0.133f0928.336e4016@aol.com>

Without ever trying to figure out the reason why, I have heard that people
who have tried blocking off this tube had problems.  If I remember correctly, I
believe that Kas warned against this in one of his books.  Make sure that the
balance tube is not plugged.
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From billb at bnj.com  Sat May  5 14:27:39 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:27:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>

Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow  
much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The  
moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume  
downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason  
given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early  
intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from  
plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A  
stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly  
sized modern one.

Bill Babcock
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On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

> I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
> was important, I would think that we would have seen
> x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
> carbs.
>
> Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
>
>> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over  
>> tube in my
>> TR4
>> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and  
>> should
>> be
>> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
>> different
>> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,  
>> but that
>> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried  
>> this?  Any
>> dyno
>> testing to determine if it is worth while?
>> Joe(B)
>
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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat May  5 14:30:41 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:30:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner

  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  When I was doing radical MGTD engines in the early 50's I closed the balance
pipe with material and welded in a fill and smoothed, it did provide  better
power and amazing it also smoothed out the idle on a big camshaft. But those
engines had a single port for two combustion chambers. It so amusing that when
I sold my MG special that had that manifold on it the guy thought I trying to
pull something off on him cause the idle was pretty smooth for a big cam.  I
drilled a 1/2" hole in the balance pipe covers and the idle came right back
rough as a cob and he was happier.

   I was talking to Jimmy Coan just yesterday about this, and he remembers I
did it on the TR-4 in the engine dyno and the mid range and idle
characteristics were so bad we had a hard time stopping the engine from
shaking out of the cradle. From this even though the flow bench said other, I
passed on the mod. With the S.U.s or Stromberg it is important but of course
on Webers each inlet port has it's own carb so no contest there. Can't explain
it.

  The cross over balance pipe contributes to the flow of the mixture when you
have only two carbs for four cylinders.

  Lets start with the mixture flow going to number one, then the flow must
reverse itself to get to number three, this makes number three slightly
leaner, but now the inertia of flow is going to three and the next open valve
is number four so it gets a higher inertia of flow, then to number two and the
reverse takes place and the flow is leaner as the inertia of flow was going in
the opposite direction, but number one now benefits from the flow to number
two and so it is slightly richer than number two. make sense?  It really works
that way and is the reason I always check the number two and three plugs on a
full throttle clean shut off. Those cylinders are most prone to detonation
because of this.

  This being true ( and it is) you would think that plugging the balance pipe
would better all around, but it's  not. Weird!! Your power may differ :-)

  Never Be beaten by Equipment
  Kas Kastner
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: SHANE Ingate
    To: jaboruch at netzero.net
    Cc: fot at autox.team.net
    Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:48 AM
    Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


    I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
    was important, I would think that we would have seen
    x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
    carbs.

    Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md

    >I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over tube in my
    >TR4
    >intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and should
    >be
    >blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
    >different
    >things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off, but
that
    >still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried this?  Any
    >dyno
    >testing to determine if it is worth while?
    >Joe(B)

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From kaskas at cox.net  Sat May  5 14:37:59 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:37:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>

I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see the mixture
pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: SHANE Ingate
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
  much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
  moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
  downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
  given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
  intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
  plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
  stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
  sized modern one.

  Bill Babcock
  billb at bnj.com
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  On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

  > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
  > was important, I would think that we would have seen
  > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
  > carbs.
  >
  > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
  >
  >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
  >> tube in my
  >> TR4
  >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
  >> should
  >> be
  >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
  >> different
  >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
  >> but that
  >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
  >> this?  Any
  >> dyno
  >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
  >> Joe(B)
  >
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sun May  6 02:59:31 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 03:59:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: MOTHRA SVRA Road America May 18-20
Message-ID: <200705060859.l468xfH1025917@ns3.geneseo.net>

>This message from Wm. Severin Thompson III went out to a couple of 
>other lists and those of you who are going to the MOTRAH event at 
>Raod America in May may be interested. Otherwise, after salivating 
>over the fun we're going to have, delete.
>
>Hey y'all,
>
>
>
>Busy busy busy in the world of Thickos. We've been in the throes of spring
>time farm related doings. I've had lots of business related travel. Car prep
>has had its ups and downs.
>
>
>
>We're picking up John Sprinzel and his lovely wife Caryl at the airport in
>Milwaukee on the 17th. They're flying in from Hawaii, and spending Thursday
>night at the Dream Farm, and riding over to the track with us Fri.  AM. When
>John & Caryl asked what type of clothes to bring to Wisco in May, I
>suggested that shorts and parkas ought to cover it. Record temps for that
>weekend in May range from 22F to somewhere in the 90'sF.
>
>
>
>Last time John was at Road America, it was at the VSCDA's Vintage Fall
>Festival, and we had rain of Biblical proportions for the first 2 days. His
>last visit is chronicled at http://www.thicko.com/Shakey.htm .
>
>
>
>  John is co-Grand Marshal of the MOTHRA race (Morgan, Triumph, Healey
>challenge series) along with Kas Kaster.
>
>
>
>I hope to have the Thicko land barge and Redrum over at the track early
>Thursday.
>
>
>
>For those of you that don't know John personally, I can tell you he is one
>of the original Thickos. He's a pleasure to hang with. I'm sure he'll be
>happy to meet all you "Thickos" and "Idgets with Spridgets".
>
>
>
>There's a gymkhana for those of you that would like to get your groove on at
>the track without going wheel to wheel.
>
>
>
>The Thicko shop is only about 35 minutes from Road America., so if any
>Mothra participants get into some mechanical difficulty, we can probably
>accommodate almost anything here if you need help .
>
>
>
>For more info contact: (Morgan) Bob Wilson aka Kermit at Kerm1 at aol.com ,
>(Triumph) Joe
>
>Alexander at N197TR4 at cs.com , (Austin Healey) Jeff Johnk at
>jeffj at centuryrefining.com , or
>
>head on over to SVRA's website at www.svra.com.
>
>
>
>On the Flounder front. I rebuilt one of the race motors I got in the Roscoe
>race Bugeye deal. I put it together yesterday, painted it today, and will
>drop it in tomorrow. It has Venolia forged pistons, a Comptune cam, nitrided
>crank, 13:1 CR. the usual stuff. It should have plenty of zip. Hopefully I
>can break it in driving it around the local cow country before it hits the
>trailer next weekend.
>
>
>
>Let me know if you're racing or spectating. Stop by Thicko Village and say
>"hey". .
>
>Wm. Severin Thompson
>
>
>
>  <mailto:wsthompson at thicko.com> wsthompson at thicko.com
>
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From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net  Sun May  6 10:51:55 2007
From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers
In-Reply-To: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <01de01c78de0$03772880$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <004001c78ffe$dc5e9640$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Check this device. I have one but have not read the manual yet (typical
engineer)!
http://www.scangauge.com/ 
Clark W. Nicholls

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Susan and Jack
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 8:06 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] OBD readers

It's finally time to buy an OBD tool.

 

I'm looking to be able to read and clear codes.  I'd prefer to read them in
text, rather than cryptic codes I need to refer to charts to decipher, but
that might change when I see pricing.  Data logging, beyond what is required
to pick up irregular faults or a laptop interface is not required.

 

Your thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated.

 

Jack


From billb at bnj.com  Sun May  6 13:47:41 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 12:47:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
	<01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>

Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was  
running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet  
hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor  
mount looked weird. Yup, broken.

I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a  
better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I  
break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock  
rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad  
things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the  
mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but  
that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.

Bill Babcock
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On May 5, 2007, at 1:37 PM, Kas Kastner wrote:

> I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see  
> the mixture pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
> Kas Kastner
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: SHANE Ingate
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
>
> Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
> much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
> moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
> downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
> given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
> intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
> plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
> stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
> sized modern one.
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
> All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks.
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> Sub=168304
>
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>
>
> On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:
>
> > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
> > was important, I would think that we would have seen
> > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
> > carbs.
> >
> > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
> >
> >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
> >> tube in my
> >> TR4
> >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
> >> should
> >> be
> >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
> >> different
> >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
> >> but that
> >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
> >> this?  Any
> >> dyno
> >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
> >> Joe(B)
> >
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun May  6 15:36:54 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 16:36:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>
References: <BAY115-F29CFBD943F7A2F87D2DDD68C470@phx.gbl>
	<E68D6FE1-F78F-46FC-82CF-005CB268094F@bnj.com>
	<01f801c78f55$453b1300$750cc548@RWKastner>
	<B7411696-4C39-447D-B8EE-0C39E575EB2D@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070506213601.EAECC187A91@autox.team.net>

Cambridge sells heavy duty motor mounts.  They're larger in diameter 
than stock.  I've got a set I've been running for a few years, and 
haven't broken them yet...  These are for the TR-4.  I don't know 
what the TR-3 mounts are like, if they are different.

http://shop.cambridgemotorsport.com/product_templates/product_default.cfm?menu_temp=tr4_cylinder.cfm&dep_id=1&prod_id=342&ass_id=19

- Tony

At 02:47 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:
>Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was
>running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet
>hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor
>mount looked weird. Yup, broken.
>
>I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a
>better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I
>break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock
>rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad
>things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the
>mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but
>that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.
>
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sun May  6 15:42:38 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 23:42:38 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Racing timetable
References: <463ceb4a.4041fa0d.2cdf.51ccSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c79027$783f7f20$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've searched on the FOT webside but didn't find any race event timetable.

Where do I find the races where FOT appears?

Cheers
Chris


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sun May  6 16:07:50 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:07:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Motor Mounts
Message-ID: <002501c7902a$fcfc7c60$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Bill:

Yes, I found a heavy duty one through Cambridge Motorsports
(www.cambridgemotorsport.com).  It is significantly "beefier" than the stock
or Moss parts, bigger in diameter and a bit taller.  Part number is MTC4444
and costs 13.95 pounds (UK).  Back in Nov, 2006, total cost to ship two
mounts to California was just a bit over 40 pounds.

Gary 1962 TR4


From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Sun May  6 21:32:15 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 20:32:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <010301c79058$4f113cc0$0502a8c0@desktop>

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


>I just looked at the motor mounts @ Cambridge and those look a lot like a 
>Jaguar mount.  I know that would be much stronger.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 2:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
>
>
>> Cambridge sells heavy duty motor mounts.  They're larger in diameter
>> than stock.  I've got a set I've been running for a few years, and
>> haven't broken them yet...  These are for the TR-4.  I don't know
>> what the TR-3 mounts are like, if they are different.
>>
>> http://shop.cambridgemotorsport.com/product_templates/product_default.cfm?menu_temp=tr4_cylinder.cfm&dep_id=1&prod_id=342&ass_id=19
>>
>> - Tony
>>
>> At 02:47 PM 5/6/2007, you wrote:
>>>Damn. I washed Peyote prior to sticking it into the trailer and was
>>>running the motor to dry it off when I noticed the water pump inlet
>>>hose sucking flat. As I stood and stared at that I noticed the motor
>>>mount looked weird. Yup, broken.
>>>
>>>I know this is a topic we've covered before, but has anyone found a
>>>better motor mount or come up with some rational modifications. I
>>>break at least one per year now that I've gone back to the stock
>>>rubber mounts (I was using home made solid mounts, but they do bad
>>>things to the bellhousing).  I'm thinking about drilling through the
>>>mount and countersinking a couple of bolts with loose nuts, but
>>>that's going to take a lot of fiddling to get right.
>>>
>>>Bill Babcock
>>>billb at bnj.com
>>>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>> _______________________________________________
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:22:25 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:22:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c07.13339ea8.33709021@cs.com>

FoT Entries

The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their website. 

Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR entries and 
acceptance of their entries.

Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest priorty.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 08:31:29 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:31:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:22:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

FoT  Entries

The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and  their 
website. 

Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack  of TR entries and 
acceptance of their entries.

Staff at SVRA can  get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
and I suspect  that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest  priorty.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   


The entries posted this weekend are up to date as of Friday. Anyone not on  
the list can contact me directly.
 
Jack Woehrle



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:37:20 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:37:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
Message-ID: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>

FOT,    ET.AL.

I am receiving questions about tickets for the dinner on Friday Night.

I sent a note to Kerm about the availability...copied here.

Kerm1 at aol.com

I know that Mr. Holekamp represents a group of (7) folks coming from ISOA and 
we want them to join us.

I am still counting heads myself and need some tickets, too.

Kermit, what is latest on the availability of dinner tickets?

Contact Kermit (Bob Wilson) directly. We want you there.  I understand that 
it will be held at the pavilion at the Motorplex....no tents. 

Event regalia will be available and Marty Sukey will display our stuff and 
you can pick up any event shirts ordered in advance.

Additionally displayed, will be the very nice Seiko Chronograph to be 
presented to an outstanding TR Pilot. Presentation will be by Kas Kastner follwing 
the MOTRAH-007 Race.  This Chronograph has been sponsored by "A.R.E.".  (yes, 
that A.R.E.) Criteria for awarding will be similar to the awarding of the 
Kastner Cup.

PERFORMANCE         PRESENTATION           PASSION

Regards,

Joe Alexander

   </HTML>


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May  7 08:42:36 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:42:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/07/2007 9:23:00 AM Central Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:


> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their 
> website. 
> 
> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR entries and 
> acceptance of their entries.
> 
> Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities and events, 
> and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest priorty.
> 

Joe is correct.  SVRA has a limited staff, and is busy at this time of year.  
Obviously I do not speak for SVRA, but I did notice Kim Beline has posted an 
updated list on the website today.  It is about two pages longer than the one 
from the end of April, but is still missing names I expected to see.  I can 
only guess some names not readily known to SVRA and are still in the process of 
being scrutinized.

Bill Dentinger



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 08:51:13 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:51:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
Message-ID: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>

FOT PILOTOS AND CREW AND FRIENDS:

Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located to 
EVERYTHING.

Tom Strange has volunteered his time and efforts to block off an area for us 
on early Thursday morning.  He is also going to provide a limited amount of 
tent space for "FOT CENTRAL" AND A COUPLE OF CARS.  

I think everyone knows the amount of effort that Tom Strange puts into this. 
Witness Hallett last year. A lot of folks pitched in to help out in this 
effort, but the responsibility for pulling off this tremendous Mall of Triumphs 
rested on Tom and his Wife. Greatly appreciated, as it adds a cohesive element to 
the experience.

If you are interested in this area, please contact Tom directly and express 
your interest and appreciation. It will help with his planning.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 09:07:02 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:07:02 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <c82.131bab76.33709a96@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:

Primary  location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
Building  & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
to  
EVERYTHING.


We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot  
of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you  
trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
 
Jack



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 10:12:37 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 12:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>

thanks jack w!

tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and your offer to support is greatly appreciated.

joe a

> 
>In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
>N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>Primary  location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
>Building  & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
>to  
>EVERYTHING.
>
>
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot  
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you  
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 11:04:47 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:04:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <335856.16034.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Jack:
   
  I have a large roll of the yellow tape I will make available.  If any unauthorized sorts try to squat in the area, we'll just throw deep fried cheese curds at them until they surrender or succumb to clogged arteries.
   
  Ernie

  
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot 
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you 
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>

       
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 11:21:18 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:21:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
Message-ID: <c98.fdadc22.3370ba0e@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 12:05:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:

Jack:

I have a large roll of the yellow tape  I will make available.  If any 
unauthorized sorts try to squat in the  area, we'll just throw deep fried cheese 
curds at them until they surrender or  succumb to clogged arteries.

Ernie


OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who  already 
know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your  problem 
will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground.
 
jw



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From emanteno at comcast.net  Mon May  7 11:38:29 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:38:29 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <050720071738.18638.463F641500084BE7000048CE2200734840970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: JWoesvra at aol.com 

> Ernie 
> 
> 
> OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who already 
> know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your problem 
> will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground. 

Yeah, but he's a cheesehead too, so the "enemy" won't know what hit them until it is too late. Sort of a wide, white version of Undercover Brother, although I'm sure Ernie could drive an Enzo much better than Eddie Griffin.
Irv


From cartravel at pobox.com  Mon May  7 12:00:34 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
References: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>

There is another factor here, and I'm not sure of it's effect.  The 
intake valves on #3 and #4 (and #1 and #2) have a lot of shared opening, 
e.g 120 degrees of shared opening with a 300 degree duration cam. If you 
shut off the crossover, then much of the time you'd have two cylinders 
pulling on one carb.  I've always wondered about the other extreme, i.e. 
mount both carbs on a big plenum.  Has anyone tried that?
Larry Young


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  7 12:15:47 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <11314616.2478787F.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <215943.55177.qm@web81109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jack, Joe...
    Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it would be better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and do the set up ... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry about claiming space etc ....  
    Any possibilities there?
  

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  thanks jack w!

tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and your offer to support is greatly appreciated.

joe a

> 
>In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
>N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near the 
>Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally located 
>to 
>EVERYTHING.
>
>
>We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be a lot 
>of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who gives you 
>trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
> 
>Jack
>
>
>
>************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 13:45:23 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:45:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <c98.fdadc22.3370ba0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <699763.70474.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Well if you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in some of that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.

JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:         
   

  
  OK but remember that the culprits will likely be Wisconsin folks who already know all your tricks. It might work on the Southern Boys, but your problem will be locals to whom you are intruding on hallowed ground.
   
  jw



    
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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon May  7 13:55:17 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:55:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <699763.70474.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F1410CC93E98224C66BBF69D2450@phx.gbl>

>Well if you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in 
>some of that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.

Bite your tongue man!

This here's a slippery slope!

The next thing you'll want to do is import brauts from New York City!

Greg


Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May  7 14:19:13 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:19:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Left Coast Event
Message-ID: <d65.82fab2b.3370e3c1@aol.com>

Amici...

No report for the Left Coast event last weekend?

Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:09:37 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:09:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
In-Reply-To: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>
References: <c7e.917e702.337093a0@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CFCE8B21-14DB-46BA-BE07-FAF03D90BF17@bnj.com>

What dinner are you talking about Joe?
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:37 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT,    ET.AL.
>
> I am receiving questions about tickets for the dinner on Friday Night.
>
> I sent a note to Kerm about the availability...copied here.
>
> Kerm1 at aol.com
>
> I know that Mr. Holekamp represents a group of (7) folks coming  
> from ISOA and
> we want them to join us.
>
> I am still counting heads myself and need some tickets, too.
>
> Kermit, what is latest on the availability of dinner tickets?
>
> Contact Kermit (Bob Wilson) directly. We want you there.  I  
> understand that
> it will be held at the pavilion at the Motorplex....no tents.
>
> Event regalia will be available and Marty Sukey will display our  
> stuff and
> you can pick up any event shirts ordered in advance.
>
> Additionally displayed, will be the very nice Seiko Chronograph to be
> presented to an outstanding TR Pilot. Presentation will be by Kas  
> Kastner follwing
> the MOTRAH-007 Race.  This Chronograph has been sponsored by  
> "A.R.E.".  (yes,
> that A.R.E.) Criteria for awarding will be similar to the awarding  
> of the
> Kastner Cup.
>
> PERFORMANCE         PRESENTATION           PASSION
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>    </HTML>
> _______________________________________________
> billb at bnj.com
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:10:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
In-Reply-To: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>
References: <c94.fe0a00f.337094dc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2CF5CA5B-6585-495A-9E43-11D8F0C4F9CB@bnj.com>

Could one of you guys post a link for where the entry list is?

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:42 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/07/2007 9:23:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
>
>> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and their
>> website.
>>
>> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack of TR  
>> entries and
>> acceptance of their entries.
>>
>> Staff at SVRA can get very busy with the SVRA spring activities  
>> and events,
>> and I suspect that entries recorded is not necessarily the highest  
>> priorty.
>>
>
> Joe is correct.  SVRA has a limited staff, and is busy at this time  
> of year.
> Obviously I do not speak for SVRA, but I did notice Kim Beline has  
> posted an
> updated list on the website today.  It is about two pages longer  
> than the one
> from the end of April, but is still missing names I expected to  
> see.  I can
> only guess some names not readily known to SVRA and are still in  
> the process of
> being scrutinized.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:11:36 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:11:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
In-Reply-To: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>
References: <cd6.e854184.337096e1@cs.com>
Message-ID: <50ECC35B-F732-4DB6-B3C6-6A9B046AE4BC@bnj.com>

Tom,
I'm bringing Nero of course, it's a 34 foot trailer coupled to an  
F350 pickup that's 20 feet long.

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:51 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> FOT PILOTOS AND CREW AND FRIENDS:
>
> Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be  
> near the
> Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally  
> located to
> EVERYTHING.
>
> Tom Strange has volunteered his time and efforts to block off an  
> area for us
> on early Thursday morning.  He is also going to provide a limited  
> amount of
> tent space for "FOT CENTRAL" AND A COUPLE OF CARS.
>
> I think everyone knows the amount of effort that Tom Strange puts  
> into this.
> Witness Hallett last year. A lot of folks pitched in to help out in  
> this
> effort, but the responsibility for pulling off this tremendous Mall  
> of Triumphs
> rested on Tom and his Wife. Greatly appreciated, as it adds a  
> cohesive element to
> the experience.
>
> If you are interested in this area, please contact Tom directly and  
> express
> your interest and appreciation. It will help with his planning.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 15:22:49 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:22:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
In-Reply-To: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>
References: <c30.11c9fc61.33709241@aol.com>
Message-ID: <DD98F55C-E8DB-45CF-A201-2D8CA1D18737@bnj.com>

I just checked the list and I am NOT on it. Sent my entry in a long  
time ago. Please let me know if there is something I need to do.
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 7:31 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:22:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>
> FoT  Entries
>
> The published entries are not up to date at SVRA's Offices and  their
> website.
>
> Some folks have expressed some concerns about the lack  of TR  
> entries and
> acceptance of their entries.
>
> Staff at SVRA can  get very busy with the SVRA spring activities  
> and events,
> and I suspect  that entries recorded is not necessarily the  
> highest  priorty.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
> The entries posted this weekend are up to date as of Friday. Anyone  
> not on
> the list can contact me directly.
>
> Jack Woehrle
>
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:25:37 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:25:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
Message-ID: <d0b.e62db25.3370f351@cs.com>

MOTRAH-007 Dinner at the Motorplex on Friday night.

$20 per ticket.

You've been too busy in Maui to notice.

Keep the blogs coming en route. 

Joe A


> What dinner are you talking about Joe? 
> Bill Babcock
> 
> 

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:32:38 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:32:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <c45.148cc222.3370f4f6@cs.com>

Bill,

There is room for your rig, if you want to hang with us.  Otherwise you will 
be banished to the asphalt where the high rollers reside.

When is your ETA?

Tom, you could try to crime tape him in at the very end where he could pull 
his rig in full length.

No guarantees on anything. 

Joe (A)


> Tom, I'm bringing Nero of course, it's a 34 foot trailer coupled to an F350 
> pickup that's 20 feet long. 
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 15:35:25 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:35:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM  STRANGE
Message-ID: <d36.740d5a5.3370f59d@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:55:35 PM Central Daylight Time, 
greenman62 at hotmail.com writes:


> 
> Bite your tongue man!
> 

Greg,  

A well known automotive journalist for an offshore magazine is looking for 
someone to share information. He is unable to make it.  Will both you and Scott 
be there?  

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:06:16 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:06:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM   STRANGE
Message-ID: <cbc.1179cac8.3370fcd8@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 1:16:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Jack, Joe...
  Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it  would be 
better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and do  the set up 
... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry about  claiming space 
etc ....  
  Any possibilities there?>>
 
I think we can arrange that.
 
Jack



 



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:11:41 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:11:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:

Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw in 
some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.


I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds. Is  
there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat Vermont  
cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??  No  Way!
 
Jack Woehrle



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:17:34 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:17:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Entries-SVRA @ Road America
Message-ID: <d48.7341c1b.3370ff7e@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 4:11:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
billb at bnj.com writes:

Could  one of you guys post a link for where the entry list is?

Bill  Babcock
billb at bnj.com


_http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument_ 
(http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument) 



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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 16:20:29 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

G'day guys,
          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller cam?
 
Jim

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May  7 16:39:38 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:39:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>

California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass 
Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our 
fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's 
25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I 
doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those 
great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games. 
No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley 
wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of 
your chair, for more cheese related facts visit www.realcaliforniacheese.com 
where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm, 
time for some Monterey Jack!

Gary
62 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw 
> in
> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>
>
> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds. 
> Is
> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat Vermont
> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ?? 
> No  Way!
>
> Jack Woehrle
>
>
>
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May  7 16:40:28 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:40:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c790f8$b64590d0$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Jim:

Roller rockers in vintage racing?  How dare you!

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cun" <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Fot] Roller life


> G'day guys,
>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller 
> cam?
>
> Jim
>
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May  7 16:50:18 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:50:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c83.1314beb6.3371072a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/7/2007 5:39:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to  pass 
Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state  in our 
fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the  stuff, that's 
25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the  facts.  However I 
doubt Californians will take over the nickname of  "Cheeseheads" with those 
great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a  U of W football games. 
No, they'll just sit back with their glass of  Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley 
wine, have a sip and nibble on some  cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of 
your chair, for more cheese  related facts visit www.realcaliforniacheese.com 
where you can relive all  the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm, 
time for some  Monterey Jack!


I don't believe it. It is a trick to get the real cheese heads riled up. It  
certainly must be a fad that will quickly pass when "the big one" hits. 
Probably  using Japanese milk.
 
jw



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 17:00:03 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <204A945C-8AEC-4DCF-8519-3B3BD64E8681@bnj.com>

And let's not forget Oregon. Tillamook Cheese is one of the most  
recognized cheddars in the US. We also have the famous Bandon Cheddar  
(though there really isn't a cheese plant in Bandon anymore) and make  
some very nice artisan cheeses like Blue Heron and Rogue Blue.  
However, there's not that much cheese leaving the state. We only make  
71 million pounds and we eat about 160 million (which of course  
includes all that "american" cheese that little kids and the  
gastronomically immature seem to enjoy), so there's not much to of  
the good stuff to spare. If you Wisconsin folks are interested in  
trying something better I can bring a block or two of Tillamook in Nero.

Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:39 PM, Gary wrote:

> California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to  
> pass
> Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state  
> in our
> fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff,  
> that's
> 25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.   
> However I
> doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads"  
> with those
> great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football  
> games.
> No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore  
> Valley
> wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the  
> edge of
> your chair, for more cheese related facts visit  
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com
> where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.   
> Hmmm,
> time for some Monterey Jack!
>
> Gary
> 62 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
> To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll  
>> throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those  
>> adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat  
>> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california  
>> cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 17:06:46 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:06:46 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40D8F262-82A1-4CBD-9EF9-DEB775A1513D@bnj.com>

I assume you mean flat tappets, or are you just asking about solid  
versus hydraulic lifters?

If you mean flat tappets I don't think it will work very well. Roller  
cams ground for roller lifters take advantage of the tight curve of  
the roller to move the lifter quickly at the beginning of the opening  
cycle. You need more ramp with a flat tappet. I think you'd have  
serious wear problems. Might get away with using a ceramic lifter.

If you mean using solid vs. Hydraulics, then it depends again on how  
the cam was ground. Some cams are ground with a really radical  
initial ramp expecting the excessive acceleration to be taken up by  
the hydraulic lifter.

Why would you want to use a roller cam with flat lifters
Bill Babcock
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On May 7, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Jim Cun wrote:

> G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a  
> roller cam?
>
> Jim
>
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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon May  7 17:17:31 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV1A9773B536BEBBC8CC494B7450@phx.gbl>

Gary I couldn't agree with you more! If any of you get the chance to visit
S.F. head north after a few laps @ Infineon & on to Sonoma. (50-70 miles) In
the square you can see first hand how cheese is made while noshing on
everything wonderful washing it down with a cold one, crisp Chard or a
Sauvignon Blanc. ahhh.... nothing quite like it.

GT6kev in Colo. but always a  SF native!
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
  Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
  fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
  25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I
  doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
  great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
  No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
  wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of
  your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
  where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
  time for some Monterey Jack!

  Gary
  62 TR4

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
  To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
<N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
<fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
  Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  > In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
  >
  > Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
  > in
  > some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
  >
  >
  > I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
  > Is
  > there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
Vermont
  > cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
  > No  Way!
  >
  > Jack Woehrle
  >
  >
  >
  > ************************************** See what's free at
  > http://www.aol.com<http://www.aol.com/>.
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  > Fot mailing list
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon May  7 17:56:25 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <001401c79103$543690a0$f283b304@Bud>

you must mean Sonoma Jack...'See ya At The Track with some Good Sonoma Jack'
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: <JWoesvra at aol.com>; <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


> California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
> Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
> fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
> 25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However 
> I
> doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
> great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
> No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
> wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge 
> of
> your chair, for more cheese related facts visit 
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com
> where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
> time for some Monterey Jack!
>
> Gary
> 62 TR4
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <JWoesvra at aol.com>
> To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>; <N197TR4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat 
>> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>> _______________________________________________
>> vintage.racer at comcast.net
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May  7 18:01:13 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:01:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d5c.7d35b78.337117c9@cs.com>

FOT:   See below for brief description....NFI !!!    Not a race prepared 
engine. Engine installed and ran.  A V-8 engine was then planned......Engine & 
Transmission located in Wisconsin.

Priced well below cost of rebuild

Joe (A)



"The TR3 engine is fully assembled and even has the carbs attached to it.  
The oil pressure is 80lbs cold when using a drill to turn over the engine (plugs 
removed of course).  The engine was built using the big-bore kit.

The tranny is completely rebuilt as well. 

Neither the engine nore tranny have any miles on them.  The has been started 
a couple of times since rebuild just to lubricate it better than circulating 
the oil with the drill."    </HTML>


From budscars at msn.com  Mon May  7 18:10:27 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] and So
Message-ID: <005301c79105$492bcde0$f283b304@Bud>

And so.....as their activity in Racing waned due to things like ...Loss of
Memory(CRS Disease)...no longer being able to pull oneself out from under the
race car...Being black flagged for racing in the wrong direction...The Spirit
of the FOT did not weaken....They Began 'THE CHEESE WARS'
Racer Bud...Sonoma Jack


From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 18:50:42 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:50:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <20070508005042.94253.qmail@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Garry,
         Just a question. So I guess that you are not in favour of this technology? Not roller rockers but roller cam and solid roller lifters. I already use roller rockers "sham on me" and I am smiling :)
 
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Gary <vintage.racer at comcast.net>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 8:40:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Jim:

Roller rockers in vintage racing?  How dare you!

Gary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Cun" <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: [Fot] Roller life


> G'day guys,
>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller 
> cam?
>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Mon May  7 18:55:20 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 17:55:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <696477.72222.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Bill,
      I did mean solid roller lifters with a roller cam.  Thanks for your response it is clearer to me now. The knowledge and the sharing of it is just great! Thanks.
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 9:06:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life

I assume you mean flat tappets, or are you just asking about solid versus hydraulic lifters?  


If you mean flat tappets I don't think it will work very well. Roller cams ground for roller lifters take advantage of the tight curve of the roller to move the lifter quickly at the beginning of the opening cycle. You need more ramp with a flat tappet. I think you'd have serious wear problems. Might get away with using a ceramic lifter.


If you mean using solid vs. Hydraulics, then it depends again on how the cam was ground. Some cams are ground with a really radical initial ramp expecting the excessive acceleration to be taken up by the hydraulic lifter.  


Why would you want to use a roller cam with flat lifters

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On May 7, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Jim Cun wrote:


G'day guys,
          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a roller cam?


Jim


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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Mon May  7 19:27:40 2007
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:27:40 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
In-Reply-To: <463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>
References: <01df01c78f54$4069f860$750cc548@RWKastner>
	<463F6942.9010703@pobox.com>
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Larry, do you mean something like the following?

http://www.141.com/dodge/photos/offy-intake.JPG

Thats the offenhauser intake I'm putting on my 51 dodge straight 6 engine.

Brad


Larry Young wrote:
> I've always wondered about the other extreme, i.e. 
> mount both carbs on a big plenum.  Has anyone tried that?
> Larry Young
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From JFrymark at aol.com  Mon May  7 19:41:09 2007
From: JFrymark at aol.com (JFrymark at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:41:09 EDT
Subject: [Fot] British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow
Message-ID: <c7c.c48f578.33712f35@aol.com>

Our usual event reporter, Steve Smith, wasn't in attendance, so I will  
volunteer this recap of a great weekend of racing on the Left Coast. An XLarge  
turnout of Triumphs:
 
TR3: Joe Dickerson, Steve Belfer
TR4: Paul Smock, John Frymark, Mike Bruner, Ken Knight
TR6: Edwin Soto
Spits: Chuck Gee, Alan Weins, Jerry Alford, Alan Mitzutani, Joe Siam, Gary  
Shuman, Steve Barth, Dale Crane, (I'm sure there were more...)
Herald: Jerry Barker, 1 other in a beautiful red convertible  (Cleary?)
 
Highlights:
- Sprite/Triumph Challenge Race (the MG guys have given up and race the  
Minis now) top 10 finishers were 2nd (Gee), 3rd (Barker), 4th  (Frymark), 6th 
(Shuman), and 7th (Bruner)
- Alan Weins turned a smokin' lap in 2:10 during the Sunday Flag  race
- Steve Belfer had a trouble-free first outing in his pretty TR3
- Nameless Triumph drivers butchered "Superfreak" during Karaoke
- Good turnout of pre-War racers and Brit car club attendees
 
Lowlight: 2 Italian cars turned turtle in separate racing incidences on  
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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May  7 21:09:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:09:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-DAV1A9773B536BEBBC8CC494B7450@phx.gbl>
References: <c4c.14414209.3370fe1d@aol.com>
	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
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I'm bringing along an InFocus  digital projector, a screen that  
attaches to Nero and my Macintosh so we can have movie nights in the  
paddock at all the events we attend this year. I have a decent  
selection of DVD's (though I can't find the most important movies:  
Grand Prix, Le Mans, and Man and a Woman. All three are missing which  
means I put them someplace special). I plan to take any digital In- 
Car video anyone has as well as my own forward and rearward facing  
cameras, make a short video of the best passes and moves, and then  
show a movie. So if you have something special. bring it along. At  
Motrah I'll probably be showing some Nero Wolfe episodes, though if  
someone has Grand Prix handy I could be talked into that.

Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll  
bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a  
cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their peace  
(piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as  
they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon May  7 21:26:39 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 03:26:39 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover
Message-ID: <20070507.202739.2183.2649958@webmail12.nyc.untd.com>

Thanks to all who responded.  Some great information!  I will leave well
enough alone and keep my crossover flowing.  Joe(B)

-- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
I did replace the balance tube with clear tubing and you could see the
mixture
pulsing back and forth. Interesting ,but  of little value.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: SHANE Ingate
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 1:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Intake Manifold Crossover


  Actually, you see them on a lot of cars. They don't really help flow
  much, especially coming in at a right angle as they often do. The
  moderate pulses in the intake system by creating a larger air volume
  downstream of the butterfly or CV piston. At least that's the reason
  given for why they ware added to manifolds to begin with. Most early
  intake manifolds look like the pattern for the castings was made from
  plumbing bits. Perhaps they were. They flow as badly as they look. A
  stock Triumph intake manifold flows about half as much as a similarly
  sized modern one.

  Bill Babcock
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  On May 5, 2007, at 11:48 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote:

  > I don't know anything about this, but intuitvely, if it
  > was important, I would think that we would have seen
  > x-overs on ALL intake manifolds through the demise of
  > carbs.
  >
  > Shane Ingate, what the $%#@ do I know, in Md
  >
  >> I have been debating the merits of blocking off the cross over
  >> tube in my
  >> TR4
  >> intake manifold.  I have read that the tubes create turbulance and
  >> should
  >> be
  >> blocked off.  Reading it and practical application, however, are 2
  >> different
  >> things.   I have also heard of some MG racers blocking them off,
  >> but that
  >> still does not make it right.  Have any of you Listers tried
  >> this?  Any
  >> dyno
  >> testing to determine if it is worth while?
  >> Joe(B)
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 00:40:07 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
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Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.

At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
> roller cam?
>
>Jim
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From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 01:51:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <200705080640.l486eDCU501380@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <457141.50213.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Further on this subject - you can see a picture of what happens at

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95258_hydraulic_roller_cams/




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:14:59 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:14:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Jack,
        I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the design by an engineer. 
 
Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.

At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>G'day guys,
>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
> roller cam?
>
>Jim
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:17:13 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
Message-ID: <20070508091713.90216.qmail@web51809.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jack do you think this is a worthwhile modification?




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To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:51:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life


Further on this subject - you can see a picture of what happens at

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/95258_hydraulic_roller_cams/




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 03:34:29 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 02:34:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <423168.57021.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi group,
           l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
 
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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue May  8 05:20:34 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:20:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
Message-ID: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>

FoT,

I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It has 4 wires 
:  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - ignition, L 
- lamp, and P - for ?
Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?

Thanks for any help.

Allen

A l l e n  W a s h a t k o
1971 TR6  - Number 6


From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Tue May  8 05:26:35 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:26:35 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Paddock Location for FoT @ ROAD AMERICA by TOM STRANGE
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Tom,

I plan to attend with the TR6. However, I always travel with Richard 
and Dan Gehweiler who race a Mini Cooper. They are assisting with 
sponsorship of MOTRAH this year as "Stonefield Vintage Racing".  If we 
could both join you, we would need room for a modest trailer and two 
10' x 20' tents.

Just let me know.

Thanks for your efforts.

Allen

On May 7, 2007, at 1:15 PM, tom strange wrote:

> Jack, Joe...
>     Thanks again Jack for the support offer ...  if possible, it would 
> be better if I could even come down on Wed morning (or afternoon) and 
> do the set up ... then it would be done and we wouldnt have to worry 
> about claiming space etc ....
>     Any possibilities there?
>
>
> N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>   thanks jack w!
>
> tom plans to come early in the morning, but this is a choice spot and 
> your offer to support is greatly appreciated.
>
> joe a
>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:51:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
>>
>> Primary location for FoT entrants (with modest trailers) will be near 
>> the
>> Building & Pumps that Dispense Race Gas. Grassy area and centrally 
>> located
>> to
>> EVERYTHING.
>>
>>
>> We will need to guard that area very carefully because there will be 
>> a lot
>> of folks that will try to take those spots. If you have anyone who 
>> gives you
>> trouble, contact me or Carl. A few signs and crime tape might help.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue May  8 06:30:52 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:30:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Book/Reference for setting up Weber Carbs
Message-ID: <003c01c7916c$b82311b0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone care to recommend a good reference for setting up the 40DCOE?


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 06:44:23 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 07:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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Message-ID: <200705081251.l48CpLBw024486@ns3.geneseo.net>

I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.

At 04:34 AM 5/8/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>Hi group,
>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any 
> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>
>Regards Jim
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May  8 07:16:51 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:16:51 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <d5a.8a538fc.3371d243@aol.com>

Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I enquired those 
were out of production with no plans to reproduce.  I can't imagine what they're 
worth now with the Dollar so weak.  Sure like to have them though...

I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.




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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Tue May  8 07:25:27 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:25:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <809896.19022.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If it's Quaife then that's about 3K for the gear set  and you still have to get them  to the states plus taxes I guess. 


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To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 11:16:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set


Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I enquired those were out of production with no plans to reproduce.  I can't imagine what they're worth now with the Dollar so weak.  Sure like to have them though...
I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation 
of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog 
synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That 
synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't 
know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess 
the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a 
Road America course lap time.






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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:31:15 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:31:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
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You won't see a huge increase in power from adding a roller cam. I  
don't remember what engine you're using, but the increase in flow  
created by having longer duration enabled by the steep lifting ramp  
is never more than a few  percent. If you've optimized everything  
else and have no where else to go for another little boost then  
roller cams make sense, but otherwise they're a lot of hassle. The  
lifters wind up being pretty heavy too because they need a stabilizer  
bar between lifter sets to keep them from rotating. I've seen a lot  
of installations go bad when the cam grinds away at the head too--you  
have to control the cam thrust very carefully because it varies  
constantly--the cams hammer back and forth because there's no ramp on  
the cam faces--they have to be flat.

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On May 8, 2007, at 2:14 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> Jack,
>         I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to  
> make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it  
> would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and  
> lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the  
> design by an engineer.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
> To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph  
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life
>
>
> Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter
> will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite
> different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a
> figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the
> lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.
>
> At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>> G'day guys,
>>           Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a
>> roller cam?
>>
>> Jim
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:36:03 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:36:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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The most efficient timing drive is chain in an oil bath--least  
friction. Actually Gilmer belts are even more efficient but they're a  
pain--they have a pretty short life cycle. In my Ferrari they need to  
be changed every 15K miles. By the time you maket straight gears cut  
you could pay for two gilmer drives though. Of course they have to  
run dry, so you'll need a little re-engineering of the timing chest.
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On May 8, 2007, at 2:34 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> Hi group,
>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any  
> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>
> Regards Jim
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:38:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:38:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
In-Reply-To: <200705081251.l48CpLBw024486@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <423168.57021.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<200705081251.l48CpLBw024486@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Actually, Jim was asking about the frictional losses of helical  
timing gears--not something you worry about on a stock TR motor.
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On May 8, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation
> of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog
> synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That
> synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't
> know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess
> the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a
> Road America course lap time.
>
> At 04:34 AM 5/8/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>> Hi group,
>>            l throw this one out there as well !   Do you see any
>> benefits in using a straight cut timing gear set?
>>
>> Regards Jim
>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 07:43:53 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
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I've had the pleasure of buying two of them--the second one when my  
gearbox dropped onto the track at 120+ mph. Fortunately I bought both  
before the dollar became as valuable as yesterday's newspaper. They  
sure are nice, but they sure do make a lot of noise. The main reason  
for having them is NOT the shifting, it's the frictional loss. It's  
more than you'd guess, you can even see the difference with the  
crudest of measurements. For example, the stock gearbox gets very hot  
during a race, the straight cut is hardly warm to the touch.

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On May 8, 2007, at 6:25 AM, Jim Cun wrote:

> If it's Quaife then that's about 3K for the gear set  and you still  
> have to get them  to the states plus taxes I guess.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Gt6steve at aol.com" <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 11:16:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Straight cut timing gear set
>
>
> Was that with the high dollar Quaife gear set?  Last time I  
> enquired those were out of production with no plans to reproduce.   
> I can't imagine what they're worth now with the Dollar so weak.   
> Sure like to have them though...
> I just completed assembly of a customer car, including installation
> of a gearbox that had been converted to straight cut gears with dog
> synchronizers. I took a brief drive on a local highway. That
> synchronizer system is absolutely amazing and a joy to use. I don't
> know if it's an advantage from the power standpoint, but I'd guess
> the effortless shifting would be worth a half-second to a second on a
> Road America course lap time.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue May  8 08:10:15 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:10:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Dinner Tickets for Friday Evening @ Road America & Regalia
In-Reply-To: <d0b.e62db25.3370f351@cs.com>
Message-ID: <30128.53273.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

and,
    where do these come from?????

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  MOTRAH-007 Dinner at the Motorplex on Friday night.

$20 per ticket.

You've been too busy in Maui to notice.

Keep the blogs coming en route. 

Joe A


> What dinner are you talking about Joe? 
> Bill Babcock
> 
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue May  8 08:12:04 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Book/Reference for setting up Weber Carbs
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Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705081002500.9462-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 8 May 2007, Scott Janzen wrote:

> Anyone care to recommend a good reference for setting up the 40DCOE?

Passini - The Weber Carburettor == The Bible

Pat Braden (sp?) - Weber and Dellorto Carbs == easy to read.

There's also a book How to Powertune Weber and Dellorto Carbs. I can't
recall the author. I have them all. Read 'em too. They're a tough read
when you need an answer right now.

Passini has all the info. It's a tough read, though. Written in passive
voice, so it'shard to figure out where he's going. Plus the phrase "suck
it and see" seems to be the watchword.

I liked Braden to get to square one. It was a lot easier to read than
Passini.

Other than that,  find out what others are using. If they tell you "I
drilled out a 125 main jet", don't use that as a starting point unless
they can tell you exactly what they did.

If you're trying to dial in, take what you get in the kit and get a plug
read. Then go in increments up/down of two sizes (if you can) 'till you
get the desired result and then try backing off one size to tweak.

Your best bet is to pay a dyno guy who knows Webers. His time will be
cheaper than buying the brass. Oh - if you need some odd Weber bits,let me
know - I've got quite a few (somewhere).

regards,
rml
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Tue May  8 08:19:54 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:19:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese???? The Challenge is ON!!!!
Message-ID: <c4d.143608fd.3371e10a@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/8/2007 9:14:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin  
writes:

In a message dated 05/08/2007 7:20:23 AM Central Daylight Time,  JWoesvra 
writes:



I think you need to pick up the gauntlet on this cheese thing  and accept the 
challenge. Fridirici ought to be able to come up with some  wining "special" 
cheese I would think.

I can't imagine that queer  cheese from California could hold up to real 
Wisconsin  cheese.





The Beady Eye VINTAGE  TRIUMPH Racing Team, with it's twenty-five years of 
'Wine & Cheese'  attitude adjustment efforts, will lead by example, and not 
bourgeois  bravado.

Don Brick, was the operations manager of Swiss Valley Farms,  and more than a 
few times their World Championship cheeses would come directly  from the 
competitions in Paris to our greasy paddock tables at racing  events.  He is 
bringing some special cheddar next week end, and of  course, some of the best bleu 
cheese in the country.

And Fridirici's  ties to Grande Cheese will ensure that the finest provolone 
is available as  well.

Until that  time...

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue May  8 08:26:19 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:26:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
References: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c7917c$d91431a0$84fea8c0@shop>

Most Denso Alternators are for modern cars that have a charging circuit that
is reguulated in part by the ECU.  My own (on the Honda S2000) has 4 wires
marked:
B (black) Battery
C (White/Green) Goes to the ECU
IG (Blk/yel) To ignition switch and the Electrical Load detection circuit
L (Wht/Blu) to the charging lamp circuit.

The ECU has another input from the Electrical Load Detector and the two
signals are used by the ECU to regulate tha amount of charge that is
delivered by the alternator.

I can't say for sure if yours works the same or if you can eliminate that
circuit and still make it work.  If you find out more, I'd love to know.

Regards,
Joe C

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:20 AM
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram


> FoT,
>
> I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It has 4 wires
> :  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - ignition, L
> - lamp, and P - for ?
> Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Allen
>
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May  8 08:33:18 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:33:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] straight cut timing gear set
Message-ID: <d15.9aceb42.3371e42e@aol.com>

Well. if we were actually talking about timing gears as the title line 
says...I built one several years ago for the GT6 based upon a small block Ford three 
gear kit.  Worked fine and is presently running up in the NorthEast 
somewhere.  Didn't seem to contribute a thing and I didn't see it was worth the effort 
to set it up.
I've been drawing and noodling on a belt drive for several years but it too 
is way on the backburner.  Not enough gain for the effort, IMHO.  Steve

Actually, Jim was asking about the frictional losses of helical  
timing gears--not something you worry about on a stock TR motor.





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From cartravel at pobox.com  Tue May  8 08:38:07 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:38:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roller life
In-Reply-To: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <972660.40090.qm@web51812.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46408B4F.3090809@pobox.com>

The incentive for doing a roller cam is less for a TR3/4 engine than for 
a SBC due to the diameter of the lifters (0.935 for TR, 0.842 for SBC).  
The larger lifters allows you to use a more aggressive profile without 
running off the edge.
Larry Young

Jim Cun wrote:

>Jack,
>        I thought as much it would need to be a roller lifter to make it work. Did a little bit of research here in OZ and seems it would be quite costly. Had a rough cost of $4500 AUS dollars and lot of trouble. The cam would be 1500 the balance taken up in the design by an engineer. 
> 
>Jim
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
>To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>; Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Tuesday, 8 May, 2007 4:40:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Roller life
>
>
>Looking at the profile of a roller cam, it looks like a flat lifter 
>will not work on a roller cam. The shape of the lobe is quite 
>different. The lobe shape on a roller cam is shaped kind of like a 
>figure "8" or mild hourglass, so if you use a flat lifter on it, the 
>lifter edges will dig into the flanks of the cam.
>
>At 05:20 PM 5/7/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>  
>
>>G'day guys,
>>          Wanted to find out opinions on using solid lifters and a 
>>roller cam?
>>
>>Jim
>>
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue May  8 09:04:34 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:04:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Figure 8 Gaskets?
In-Reply-To: <30128.53273.qm@web81113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C95F9952DC2546-6FC-160B@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com>

Anyone have some thickness .012" (+0 -.002)to sell?
 
Rich Rock
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue May  8 09:15:11 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:15:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
Message-ID: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>

I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
advantages.

I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.

Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
sources.

I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
term.

One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.

These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
strength than the T6061.

Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
suppliers alloy valve caps?

If you do, then please tell me!

I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
valve
retaining caps and/or cam followers.

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Best Regards

Lion








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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 10:25:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:25:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <1DF162D5-62C4-43FA-AE8F-CDD9F37E576D@bnj.com>

The answer is titanium. the valve keys in alloy valve spring  
retainers creep downwards. I pack my valve springs to .060" (the  
springs bind when a .060 feeler gauge is inserted) and have seen as  
much as .100 of creep after the first race--less after that but they  
keep moving. And I don't use particularly strong seat pressure. I  
don't remember what it is, but it's not high compared to some racers  
I know, probably less than 200#, Bob Yarwood talked me into that and  
it's worked fine.

I replaced my alloy retainers with titanium, and no creep. At all.  
One brief sting to the wallet and you never have to worry about them  
again. No I don't know where they came from, Yarwood found them for  
me. I miss that old fart.

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On May 8, 2007, at 8:15 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote:

> I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers,  
> and the
> advantages.
>
> I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of  
> those sold
> by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous  
> results.
>
> Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all  
> kinds of
> sources.
>
> I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells  
> us very
> little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very  
> broad cover-all
> term.
>
> One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.
>
> These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater  
> tensile
> strength than the T6061.
>
> Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using  
> different
> suppliers alloy valve caps?
>
> If you do, then please tell me!
>
> I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give  
> proper
> technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones,  
> such as
> valve
> retaining caps and/or cam followers.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
> Best Regards
>
> Lion
>
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>
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Tue May  8 10:44:54 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <089101c79190$34c4a850$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of 
> using different
> suppliers alloy valve caps?

I got TR3 alloy retainers from British Frame and Engine.  Only went racing
once (1st in class at VTR 00 Autox) but put a lot of street miles on them
including some 2000 round-trip to the event (and another 2000 the next year
to Breckenridge).  They still look perfect; with no signs of the keepers
pulling through.  If I were building a 6-pot, wouldn't hesitate to buy from
BFE.

But, I haven't seen Ken recently; and his web site seems to be gone; so I'm
not sure BFE is still in business.

Randall


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From tr6nut at verizon.net  Tue May  8 10:46:27 2007
From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 12:46:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
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Doncha just love it when suppliers refer to something as "alloy"  One 
thinks it must be aluminum, but as I understand things, many different 
metals can be considered "alloys".  I've used parts made from both "6" 
series and "7" series aluminum with equal success. I have also seen 
titanium used for valve spring caps.  That said, here's the wordy answer 
from http://www.materialsengineer.com/E-Aluminum.htm

1xxx Series.  These grades of aluminum are characterized by excellent 
corrosion resistance, high thermal and electrical conductivities, low 
mechanical properties, and excellent workability. Moderate increases in 
strength may be obtained by strain hardening. Iron and silicon are the 
major impurities.

2xxx Series.  These alloys require solution heat treatment to obtain 
optimum properties; in the solution heat-treated condition, mechanical 
properties are similar to, and sometimes exceed, those of low-carbon 
steel. In some instances, precipitation heat treatment (aging) is 
employed to further increase mechanical properties. This treatment 
increases yield strength, with attendant loss in elongation; its effect 
on tensile strength is not as great.

The alloys in the 2xxx series do not have as good corrosion resistance 
as most other aluminum alloys, and under certain conditions they may be 
subject to intergranular corrosion.  Alloys in the 2xxx series are good 
for parts requiring good strength at temperatures up to 150 0C (300 0F). 
Except for alloy 2219, these alloys have limited weldability, but some 
alloys in this series have superior machinability.

3xxx Series.  These alloys generally are non-heat treatable but have 
about 20% more strength than 1xxx series alloys. Because only a limited 
percentage of manganese (up to about 1.5%) can be effectively added to 
aluminum, manganese is used as major element in only a few alloys.

4xxx Series. The major alloying element in 4xxx series alloys is 
silicon, which can be added in sufficient quantities (up to 12%) to 
cause substantial lowering of the melting range.  For this reason, 
aluminum-silicon alloys are used in welding wire and as brazing alloys 
for joining aluminum, where a lower melting range than that of the base 
metal is required.  The alloys containing appreciable amounts of silicon 
become dark gray to charcoal when anodic oxide finishes are applied and 
hence are in demand for architectural applications.

6xxx Series. Alloys in the 6xxx series contain silicon and magnesium 
approximately in the proportions required for formation of magnesium 
silicide (Mg2Si), thus making them heat treatable. Although not as 
strong as most 2xxx and 7xxx alloys, 6xxx series alloys have good 
formability, weldability, machinability, and relatively good corrosion 
resistance, with medium strength. Alloys in this heat-treatable group 
may be formed in the T4 temper (solution heat treated but not 
precipitation heat treated) and strengthened after forming to full T6 
properties by precipitation heat treatment.

7xxx Series. Zinc, in amounts of 1 to 8% is the major alloying element 
in 7xxx series alloys, and when coupled with a smaller percentage of 
magnesium results in heat-treatable alloys of moderate to very high 
strength. Usually other elements, such as copper and chromium, are also 
added in small quantities. 7xxx series alloys are used in airframe 
structures, mobile equipment, and other highly stressed parts.  Higher 
strength 7xxx alloys exhibit reduced resistance to stress corrosion 
cracking and are often utilized in a slightly overaged temper to provide 
better combinations of strength, corrosion resistance, and fracture 
toughness.


Hope this helped,

Hugh Barber
Stafford, VA, USA
'73 TR6


From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue May  8 10:57:34 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:57:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] E-85 conversion
Message-ID: <BAY102-DAV7D08B37479CA27946825BB7440@phx.gbl>

Has anyone heard how expensive/complicated/practical converting our V-8,V-10
tow vehicles would be to a E-85 flex fuel system?

Thanks in advance..

Kevin


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 11:16:16 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:16:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <0F1FA257-40B1-4BBD-BBD1-7C536DE78FA0@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no big deal.
   
  I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
   
  Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self proclaimed land of happy cows. 
   
  Ernie

Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
    

  Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their peace (piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.   
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Tue May  8 11:25:35 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Denso Alternator Wiring Diagram
In-Reply-To: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
References: <d8d3670f160e33390fe66be020333325@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <089b01c79195$e36eea00$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> I've just installed a Denso Alternator in my racing TR6. It 
> has 4 wires 
> :  A stud for B - battery;  a three wire pigtail for : IG - 
> ignition, L 
> - lamp, and P - for ?
> Does anyone have a diagram or know what goes where?

There are lots of different setups available ... in many cases it can be
changed just by swapping out the electronic module inside the alternator.
So it would probably be best to contact the people who sold you the
alternator, and get the information from them as to what module is installed
and how it should be wired.

But most commonly (AFAIK), "P" is an AC output from the alternator that the
ECU can use to determine alternator RPM.  If so, you should be able to
safely leave it disconnected.

Randall 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:35:07 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:35:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
Message-ID: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no 
> big deal.
>    
>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land 
> will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not 
> looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>    
>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self 
> proclaimed land of happy cows. 
> 

Ernie....

You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is OK).

Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in attendance 
next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager at Swiss Valley 
Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as well as some of the 
country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I 
plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to 
produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they 
choose to.

At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude 
Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous events from out 
EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It was special.  I have no 
reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in 
California will be very nice as well.

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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:43:17 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:43:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>

I'm with Bill on this one.  Get titanium ones.  I've had failures with the aluminum retainers, and I believe they were made from 7075, about as strong as you can get.  Contact Jerry Barker, he's on this list and should be able to help since they are the same as Spitfire. 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6


I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
advantages.

I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.

Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
sources.

I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
term.

One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.

These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
strength than the T6061.

Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
suppliers alloy valve caps?

If you do, then please tell me!

I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
valve
retaining caps and/or cam followers.

Thanks in advance for any help provided.

Best Regards

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 11:50:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
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References: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Well, I'd bring some california cheese but I hear you have to prove  
you're gay to buy it, and I'm afraid I'd be stopped at the wisconsin  
border and "searched".
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On May 8, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Ernest Husmann wrote:

> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a  
> gonna be no big deal.
>
> I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese  
> land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be  
> said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>
> Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from  
> the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
> Ernie
>
> Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:
>
> Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll  
> bring a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a  
> cheese challenger should certainly do so or forever hold their  
> peace (piece?). I believe a nice Sauvignon Blanc would go well  
> Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there white wine, yah sure.
>
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May  8 11:52:12 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 12:52:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
In-Reply-To: <8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c68.120a8338.3371edff@wmconnect.com>
	<8C95FAF7EDF8165-1A4-2569@FWM-M21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200705081752.l48HqINt110014@ns3.geneseo.net>

I had strange things going on in my valve train and finally figured 
out that it was the valves slowly pulling through the retainers. 
Titanium for me, got them from BFE last year.

At 12:43 PM 5/8/2007, chasgee at aol.com wrote:
>I'm with Bill on this one.  Get titanium ones.  I've had failures 
>with the aluminum retainers, and I believe they were made from 7075, 
>about as strong as you can get.  Contact Jerry Barker, he's on this 
>list and should be able to help since they are the same as Spitfire.
>Chuck Gee
>Blacksmith Racing
>Spitfire
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:15 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6
>
>
>I understand the reasons for fitting alloy valve spring retainers, and the
>advantages.
>
>I also know that in the past, I have heard reports of failures of those sold
>by Moss, dropping valves into the engine with obviously disastorous results.
>
>Looking at what is available on the market these days, from all kinds of
>sources.
>
>I see many vendors merely referring to them as 'Alloy', which tells us very
>little, whereas one calls them 'Aircraft Alloy' - still a very broad cover-all
>term.
>
>One calls them 'T6061', and yet another calls them '7075'.
>
>These are both 'aircraft alloys' and the 7075 has a much greater tensile
>strength than the T6061.
>
>Does anyone have any actual experiences, both good and bad of using different
>suppliers alloy valve caps?
>
>If you do, then please tell me!
>
>I am afraid that I have little faith in companies that do not give proper
>technical descriptions of their products, especially critical ones, such as
>valve
>retaining caps and/or cam followers.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help provided.
>
>Best Regards
>
>Lion
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 11:56:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>

Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at  
least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California  
cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.  
I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks  
like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between  
Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat  
square state just above California. California would the the state  
that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of  
questions that people are generally too polite to ask.

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On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,  
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a  
>> gonna be no big deal.
>>
>>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true  
>> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it  
>> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>>
>>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives  
>> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
>
> Ernie....
>
> You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is  
> OK).
>
> Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in  
> attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations  
> Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent  
> Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici  
> always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring  
> some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to  
> produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume  
> records, should they choose to.
>
> At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude  
> Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to  
> previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New  
> York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese  
> from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very  
> nice as well.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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Thanks, Bill, I appreciate the info.  Sorry to hear Helen isn't doing well.
 
BTW, I think you might have meant to send this to the list instead of just
me ?
 

Randall
(Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows)






 


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From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:04 AM
To: ryoung at navcomtech.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Alloy Valve Spring Retainers for TR6


In a message dated 05/08/2007 11:46:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
ryoung at navcomtech.com writes:




But, I haven't seen Ken recently; and his web site seems to be gone; so I'm
not sure BFE is still in business.





Amici...

Ken is alive and well, but his wife has been ill, hence he is not always
available.

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May  8 13:06:50 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 12:06:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
References: <461752.74498.qm@web58910.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002901c791a4$08c8f440$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Further Cheese info:

Of course you know that after an earthquake out here on the left coast, the
cows produce cottage cheese...sorry, couldn't resist in light of previous
cheese related emails.

Gary
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ernest Husmann
  To: Bill Babcock ; KEVIN LYNCH
  Cc: JWoesvra at aol.com ; ehusmann53 at yahoo.com ; N197TR4 at cs.com ;
fot at autox.team.net ; Gary ; tstrange at new.rr.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: Movie Night


  Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna be no
big deal.

  I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese land will
represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be said that I'm not
looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.

  Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from the self
proclaimed land of happy cows.

  Ernie

  Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:


    Ernie, I do propose a cheese-off. A blind tasting of cheddars. I'll bring
a selection of Oregon goodies. Anyone that wants to bring a cheese challenger
should certainly do so or forever hold their peace (piece?). I believe a nice
Sauvignon Blanc would go well Ernie--or as they say in Wisconsin--that there
white wine, yah sure.


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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:11:27 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:11:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F9A9A503B9BD07A72BFD4390440@phx.gbl>

Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running 
from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already 
had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest 
Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along with 
several others).  Do they still make cheese in 
Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


>From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
>To: BillDentin at aol.com
>CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, JWoesvra at aol.com, tstrange at new.rr.com, 
>fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
>Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
>
>Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
>least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California
>cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
>I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks
>like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between
>Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat
>square state just above California. California would the the state
>that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of
>questions that people are generally too polite to ask.
>
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
>You can subscribe to my Blogs
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>
>
>On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a
> >> gonna be no big deal.
> >>
> >>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true
> >> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it
> >> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
> >>
> >>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives
> >> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
> >
> >
> > Ernie....
> >
> > You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> > OK).
> >
> > Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> > attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations
> > Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent
> > Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici
> > always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring
> > some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to
> > produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume
> > records, should they choose to.
> >
> > At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> > Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to
> > previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New
> > York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese
> > from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very
> > nice as well.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> >
> >
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:16:37 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:16:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: Re:  Movie Night
Message-ID: <BAY102-F285FF0A07CCF75146CB0DE90440@phx.gbl>

>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:17:48 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:17:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FW: Re:  Movie Night
Message-ID: <BAY102-F134F3DCAD03ADDD3F2CE1C90440@phx.gbl>

Corrected,


>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to Canada,  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue May  8 13:23:42 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:23:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <B29EFB22-4ED8-426A-BDD4-71F9F34D0620@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7448372B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<Oregon cows are not gay>>

Not that there's anything wrong with that (for the Seinfeld fans).



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:57 PM
To: BillDentin at aol.com
Cc: Klynch_6 at msn.com; JWoesvra at aol.com; tstrange at new.rr.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night

Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California cows
are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks like
California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between Boston and
San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat square state just
above California. California would the the state that looks a lot like a
pickle, which probably answers a lot of questions that people are
generally too polite to ask.

Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
>
>
>> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a gonna
>> be no big deal.
>>
>>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true Cheese
>> land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it not be
>> said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
>>
>>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives from
>> the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
>
>
> Ernie....
>
> You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> OK).
>
> Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager

> at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as

> well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of

> Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.

> Know that WISCONSIN will continue to produce the country's finest
> cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they choose to.
>
> At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous
> events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It
> was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay
> cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very nice as well.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
> **************************************
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 14:15:22 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:15:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <be3.124d0087.33720ecb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <641651.6475.qm@web58914.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Yeah I know but those left coasters can't tell.
   
  Hopefully the cheese I bring will at least get an honorable mention after people taste the resources of Mr. Brick.
   
  

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  
Ernie....

You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is OK).

Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume records, should they choose to.

At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very nice as well.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May  8 16:05:11 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 00:05:11 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
Message-ID: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

This is great.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 17:05:14 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:05:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>

I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little  
more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
Bill Babcock
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On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:

> This is great.....
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue May  8 17:33:33 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 18:33:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cranks
Message-ID: <15577794.1926771178667213670.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

>Sorry to bomb the list...

For  those folks who have ordered the Custom Cranks..

As of today they have been ..... from the actual words from the factory...

"roughed out and at first heat treat and way out from delivery" .
 

Mordy

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From dave at microworks.net  Tue May  8 17:43:40 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:43:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070508234435.EDJD22040.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

The only thing that would have made it better is if the video had 
begun with him pulling up to the Toll booth and paying his 15 Marks 
to drive round the 'Ring.

Like Alonso in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbqR-KmLJ_w

At 04:05 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:
>I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
>more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May  8 19:58:28 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 18:58:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>

Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the  
car didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.
Bill Babcock
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On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:

> I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
> more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
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> Sub=168304
>
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>
>
>
> On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
>
>> This is great.....
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May  8 20:17:29 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:17:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-shirts now for sale
Message-ID: <BAY123-F2CC66E9C45613763AA52DBA3B0@phx.gbl>

Ok fellow FOTrs time to order shirts.  Ted Schumacher has agreed to make a 
run of FOT t-shirts for us. These will be the same t-shirts we did for the 
Road Atlanta event a couple of years ago. They will be 100% cotton and ash 
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and the back will have Never Be Beaten By Equipment and Kas Kastners 
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from each t-shirt will go into the FOT fund that is maintained by our 
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every now and then. The minimum order will have to be 72 shirts.

Here is how the ordering process will work. I will compile a list of orders. 
When the list is finalized I will forward it to Ted with all the details. 
Once I have gathered all the orders I will post something on the list saying 
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From dave at microworks.net  Tue May  8 22:34:20 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 21:34:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
In-Reply-To: <AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
	<AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <20070509043934.XKXO2758.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

It wasn't and BMW was intentional not running the car at speed.

Here was the write up that ITV did on the run

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=39093

"...Heidfeld was instructed not to take any risks
and to slow for photo calls on each of his three
laps, so his best lap of 8m34s  more than two
minutes shy of the outright track record  was
not indicative of what a modern F1 car might be capable of.

The ride height of the F1.06 was raised for
maximum ground clearance on the uneven surface
and the car was fitted with unusually hard demonstration tyres.

Despite short gear ratios Heidfeld clocked 170mph
the long Dvttinger Hvhe straight  but admitted
he was itching to take the car closer to the limit.

Id really like to have emptied the [fuel] tank, he said..."

At 06:58 PM 5/8/2007, you wrote:
>Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the
>car didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.
>Bill Babcock
>billb at bnj.com
>bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
>
>You can subscribe to my Blogs
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>On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:
>
> > I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
> > more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
> > Bill Babcock
> > billb at bnj.com
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> > On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
> >
> >> This is great.....
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May  9 01:07:53 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:07:53 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife
References: <006d01c791bc$f3992e50$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<88790368-45EA-46F2-AC81-8D74EF752BC6@bnj.com>
	<AFCB6F4F-5AAD-4C11-9E69-321BE1EDEC5C@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c79208$c3b7e130$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Heidfeld did have demonstration tires on to slow him down.
He did 4 laps. One fast and the others are guided with camera cars to have
some footage.
The fast lap was very close to the record time Derek Bell did in his Porsche.
If he would have his racing tires on then he would be a lot faster.
The difference between demo tires and racing tires is 10 seconds on a normal
GP track!
So you can imagine how he was slowed down by these tires.

I think after he faced the Nordschleife with his F1 racer he should be able to
win in future. ;-)

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Bill Babcock
  Cc: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 3:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Nick Heidfeld F1 on the Nordschleife


  Wow, that wasn't very fast. I don't know what his times were, but the car
didn't appear to be anywhere near it's limits.

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  On May 8, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Bill Babcock wrote:


    I love watching Hiedfeld drive, especially now that he's got a little
    more motivation. I consider him one of the finest, if a bit erratic.
    Bill Babcock
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    On May 8, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:


      This is great.....


      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek1JUfd3R8w&NR=1
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Wed May  9 06:30:48 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>

Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
goop.

I have identified two potential issues. First, my exhaust runs extremely
close to the mount. That can't be helping the situation. Heat plus
rubber equals perished rubber.

Second, my rust prevention program seems to be coating the gearbox mount
with copious amounts of rust prevention fluid. Anybody that has ever
paddocked by me knows all about how strongly I must feel about my rust
prevention program... Last October when we ran with the Ohio Porche club
the 911 guy in the garage next to me followed me around with handfuls of
speedi-dry!

I plan on fabricating a shield to keep the oil off the mount, and doing
the modification described by Nick a while back.

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-08/msg00454.html

I think both will help the situation, but I am still suspect of the
quality of these mounts we are getting.


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Wed May  9 08:16:13 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:16:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8B1@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882090F1E34@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

Henry,

Charles Runyan has a HD mount. I filled it with silicone, kinda like a
gel sole on a running shoe. I only have about 5 days racing on it and it
looks good so far.  I gave up on the welded solution when I determined
that it added to the shaking float bowl issue.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Henry Frye
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 7:31 AM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts

Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
goop.

I have identified two potential issues. First, my exhaust runs extremely
close to the mount. That can't be helping the situation. Heat plus
rubber equals perished rubber.

Second, my rust prevention program seems to be coating the gearbox mount
with copious amounts of rust prevention fluid. Anybody that has ever
paddocked by me knows all about how strongly I must feel about my rust
prevention program... Last October when we ran with the Ohio Porche club
the 911 guy in the garage next to me followed me around with handfuls of
speedi-dry!

I plan on fabricating a shield to keep the oil off the mount, and doing
the modification described by Nick a while back.

http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2006-08/msg00454.html

I think both will help the situation, but I am still suspect of the
quality of these mounts we are getting.
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Wed May  9 10:10:41 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 12:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Findlay, Ohio Cruise In
Message-ID: <4641F281.3050405@bright.net>

Hello list members.
Findlay, Ohio is having a car show/cruise in. This is Saturday, June 2. 
Features include a Danger Brothers concert, trophies, activities for 
kids and more. The city has reserved a parking lot on Main Street for 
British cars. This is a paved lot with about 60 parking spaces. Lot is 
right in the middle of the action. You can cruise, shop, eat or just 
relax. Yes, there will be adult beverages. Details and registration for 
the Findlay event are on the event web site. www.cartunesonmain.com 
Findlay is located on I75. 60 miles south of Ohio/Michigan border at 
mile marker 157.
If we dont have enough British cars for the parking lot, we need to 
release the lot so it can be used for something else. A cut off date of 
Memorial Day week-end needs to be used. Please specify you have a 
British car when registering. The event registrars are volunteers who 
may have no idea that you just signed up with a British car.

The following day is Ft. Meigs British Car Day in Toledo, OH. Come to 
the Findlay event then a leisurely drive the next morning to Toledo. 
About 40 miles. Contact for the Toledo show is Tony at 419/878-2041.

Thank you, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Wed May  9 12:39:52 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 14:39:52 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <BAY115-F38435932CA6648F0904BD08C3B0@phx.gbl>

Henry,

I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
could be a good breadwinner.

Shane Ingate in Md

>Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
>mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
>goop.

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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Wed May  9 12:54:11 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:54:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <cdf.e9057ca.337372d3@aol.com>

I seem to recall that the E-Ticket Triumph racers out west have a solution 
for this.  You might shout out to Paul Smock or Mordy Dunst.  I'm thinking 
their's are from a Ford or something and bulletproof.  Can't recall...



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May  9 13:05:44 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
Message-ID: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>

Shane, 

I made Derin (acetal) rear motor mount for our TR4 tranny.

It is the size and shape of the tranny mount pad, drilled through the 
crossmember and secured with bolts and fastened with Nyloks with no compression on 
the Delrin.

The front is stock mounting pieces with the TR4 Torque Reaction Arm that 
limits the EXTREME rotation of the engine, which occurs at FULL OFF throttle and 
braking following FULL ON  throttle.  The TRA does a good job of dampening & 
limiting the rotation of the engine.

Like I told Henry, everyone seems to have a different experience, but this 
works for me. I got tired of failures.

If enough folks are interested in a CoPoly Tranny Mount, I likely could 
produce in quantity. My first one was was done with a circular saw and drill. 

Joe (A)

> Henry,
> 
> I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
> would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
> could be a good breadwinner.
> 
> Shane Ingate in Md
> 
> >Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
> >mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
> >goop.
> 

   </HTML>


From billb at bnj.com  Wed May  9 22:05:01 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:05:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Gearbox mounts
In-Reply-To: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>
References: <c45.14b484cc.33737588@cs.com>
Message-ID: <920D4188-1ECC-4C0E-9C3C-0BC014526055@bnj.com>

I would think a polyurethane mount would make more sense than Delrin,  
though I realize there are a lot of varieties of acetal plastics  
available. The Delrin I'm used to using would seem to be much too  
hard for any useful shock adsorption.
Bill Babcock
billb at bnj.com
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On May 9, 2007, at 12:05 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Shane,
>
> I made Derin (acetal) rear motor mount for our TR4 tranny.
>
> It is the size and shape of the tranny mount pad, drilled through the
> crossmember and secured with bolts and fastened with Nyloks with no  
> compression on
> the Delrin.
>
> The front is stock mounting pieces with the TR4 Torque Reaction Arm  
> that
> limits the EXTREME rotation of the engine, which occurs at FULL OFF  
> throttle and
> braking following FULL ON  throttle.  The TRA does a good job of  
> dampening &
> limiting the rotation of the engine.
>
> Like I told Henry, everyone seems to have a different experience,  
> but this
> works for me. I got tired of failures.
>
> If enough folks are interested in a CoPoly Tranny Mount, I likely  
> could
> produce in quantity. My first one was was done with a circular saw  
> and drill.
>
> Joe (A)
>
>> Henry,
>>
>> I've been looking for polyurethane engine and gearbox mounts which
>> would seem to solve most of our issues.  No luck.  You'd think this
>> could be a good breadwinner.
>>
>> Shane Ingate in Md
>>
>>> Has anybody else been having issues with the current crop of gearbox
>>> mounts? I am getting two events until a rubber in the mount turns to
>>> goop.
>>
>
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From budscars at msn.com  Thu May 10 20:24:15 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] free herald engines
Message-ID: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>

Hello gang...2 free Triumph Herald engines..must be picked up very
soon...Oakland Calif. .contact Bruce John at bjohn at bart.gov
Racer bud


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May  8 13:14:47 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:14:47 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Movie Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F9A9A503B9BD07A72BFD4390440@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F25FB035DCCE057CC48F77590440@phx.gbl>

Sorry, meant to say from Mexico to Canada.....................


>From: "Henry Morrison" <dos_gusanos at msn.com>
>To: billb at bnj.com, BillDentin at aol.com
>CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, fot at autox.team.net, JWoesvra at aol.com, 
>tstrange at new.rr.com
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
>Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:11:27 -0600
>
>Oh no, even from New Mexico, Califiornia looks like one big pickle running
>from Mexico to California.  Get some New Mexico Cheese, Oh you've already
>had it if you bought a pizza from Domino's (North America's largest
>Mozzerella sp? cheese producing facility is right here in Roswell along 
>with
>several others).  Do they still make cheese in
>Wisconsin?......................Henry Morrison
>
>
> >From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com>
> >To: BillDentin at aol.com
> >CC: Klynch_6 at msn.com, JWoesvra at aol.com, tstrange at new.rr.com,
> >fot at autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Movie Night
> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 10:56:47 -0700
> >
> >Clearly you've been misreading the email. Oregon cows are not gay, at
> >least not all that many of them. I'm not even sure that California
> >cows are particularly gay, it's the cheesemakers that I don't trust.
> >I'll be bringing OREGON cheese. I know the entire left coast looks
> >like California to you folks in the emergency landing zone between
> >Boston and San Francisco, but Oregon is the fairly large somewhat
> >square state just above California. California would the the state
> >that looks a lot like a pickle, which probably answers a lot of
> >questions that people are generally too polite to ask.
> >
> >Bill Babcock
> >billb at bnj.com
> >bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> >
> >You can subscribe to my Blogs
> >Via email:
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> >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >On May 8, 2007, at 10:35 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > In a message dated 05/08/2007 12:19:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Yous do know that this here thing could get nasty, Ay.  Aint'a
> > >> gonna be no big deal.
> > >>
> > >>   I'm very confident that me and the other boys from the true
> > >> Cheese land will represent the State quite well.  However, let it
> > >> not be said that I'm not looking forward to a tast of Tillamook.
> > >>
> > >>   Of course I do not know if there will be any representatives
> > >> from the self proclaimed land of happy cows.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ernie....
> > >
> > > You sound more like you're from New Jersey than Wisconsin (which is
> > > OK).
> > >
> > > Not to worry, Master Cheese Honcho Don Brick is going to be in
> > > attendance next weekend.  Before Don retired he was Operations
> > > Manager at Swiss Valley Farms.  He will be bringing some excellent
> > > Cheddar, as well as some of the country's best Bleu.  Fridirici
> > > always has some of Grande's finest Provolone, and I plan to bring
> > > some Widmar aged Brick.  Know that WISCONSIN will continue to
> > > produce the country's finest cheese.  Others can chase volume
> > > records, should they choose to.
> > >
> > > At the Beady Eye VINTAGE TRIUMPH Racing Team Wine & Cheese Attitude
> > > Adjustment Hours, we've had some excellent cheese brought to
> > > previous events from out EAST (places like Vermont and upstate New
> > > York).  It was special.  I have no reason to doubt that this cheese
> > > from the gay cows (or is it happy cows?) in California will be very
> > > nice as well.
> > >
> > > Bill (Damdinger)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Fri May 11 00:07:02 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:07:02 +0200
Subject: [Fot] MS Dewey search
Message-ID: <002001c79392$987bffc0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Came across this in a forum. The new way of search.
Take care that you don't get into a hurry if she insists

http://www.msdewey.com/


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 05:22:27 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:22:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-F45B307BCBD27937B291D2BA390@phx.gbl>

I will be out of town for work next week and then at MOTRAH at RA for the 
weekend so if you email me a t shirt order and do not get an acknowledgement 
be patient, I will get caught up when I return.

Thanks,
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 05:52:41 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:52:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi Group,

                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  

Jim




      
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 05:55:54 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:55:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <20070511115554.88706.qmail@web51805.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Should have said " Has anyone had any experience positive or negative with using gapless rings?

----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 9:52:41 PM
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings

Hi Group,

                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  

Jim




      
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 11 07:37:45 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tom Householder
Message-ID: <00ae01c793d1$8f7361e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

Hey Tom, you out there, I need some TR race history and you da man!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com


From herald948 at aol.com  Fri May 11 07:38:31 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] free herald engines
In-Reply-To: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>
References: <000c01c79373$79e71d20$aa83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <8C961E8CCAB9A25-9D0-779E@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: budscars at msn.com

  Hello gang...2 free Triumph Herald engines..must be picked up very
soon...Oakland Calif. .contact Bruce John at bjohn at bart.gov
Racer bud

==AM==
Darn, that's my kind of deal. Trouble is, driving 6000 miles round trip 
makes it less cost-effective. :-(

--Andy  Mace (wrong coast for these engines)

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
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From herald948 at aol.com  Fri May 11 07:43:20 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:43:20 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <926214.27593.qm@web51806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C961E978F9B4AC-9D0-77DD@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au
To: fot at autox.team.net
  Hi Group,

                  Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
gapless rings?

==AM==
I put them (TotalSeal conversion of Grant rings purchased from The 
Roadster Factory) in an "overhauled" 1147cc engine back in '96, for a 
Spitfire ex-race car that we used to autocross. I was very happy with 
them. But it's not like I have thousands of miles or great numbers of 
total hours on the engine, so I can't testify as to durability (haven't 
really done anything with the car since 1999).

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Fri May 11 07:57:19 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 06:57:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <190758.65831.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Andy

Thanks so nothing bad yet! The manufactures sings their praises but I have read some negatives as well. They sound like a real good thing.

Jim


----- Original Message ----
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To: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, 11 May, 2007 11:43:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings


-----Original Message-----
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au
To: fot at autox.team.net
  Hi Group,

                  Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
gapless rings?

==AM==
I put them (TotalSeal conversion of Grant rings purchased from The 
Roadster Factory) in an "overhauled" 1147cc engine back in '96, for a 
Spitfire ex-race car that we used to autocross. I was very happy with 
them. But it's not like I have thousands of miles or great numbers of 
total hours on the engine, so I can't testify as to durability (haven't 
really done anything with the car since 1999).

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 11 08:47:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
Message-ID: <c03.107073b1.3375dc1b@cs.com>

Marty

I have several inquiries that were sent to me and I will eventually forward 
to you to compare with your orders and to follow up as necessary.

FOT,   subject Grey vs White

I am wearing a Grey FOT shirt today. As Ted points out, you give up the 
official white in the coat of arms.

We did this before, so why not again. I suspect the majority would go for the 
grey. I vote for the Grey. I know that Bill Dentinger would.

Joe (A)   </HTML>


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 09:16:24 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:16:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <279632.87767.qm@web81106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good morning,
   
  Everyone attending the Motrah 
   
  I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the FOT can paddock together. I plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the help of Jack Whoehrle to get me in.
  I will be setting up a small tent for a social area and securing enough space for us to get all the rigs and cars in one area. 
  To do this I need to know who all would like to be in the FOT area. So far the list I have is quite small, it consists of
   
  Alexander, Joe
  Babcock, Bill
  Barr, Scott
  DeLap, Dennis
  Fridirici, John
  Gehweiler, Dan
  Kramer, Robert
  Sukey, Marty
  Washatko, Allen
   
  If anyone else is coming, I would appreciate it if you would let me know 
   
  Name
   
  Race car
   
  Tow vehicle and trailer size (including if you need immediate access to your trailer, which side your awning is on if you plan to use it etc..)
   
  Tents you wish to set up
   
  Arrival time (approx) 
   
  This will let me lay everything out once so we can all have plenty of space 
   
  Any Semi-trailers (Bill Hart comes to mind)  The ground I believe is level enough there to pull in with a large rig if you wish, or there is hard surface pit area available at the track also  I will not be setting up hard surface area, so you will be on a first come basis on that one.
  The area we are moving in to will have a lot more competition than we have had before for our paddock space, so I do not want to try to reserve a lot more space than we will realistically be using.
  I am still building engines, so any help getting info to me, to make this easier will be greatly appreciated.
  Joe, if there is a special that we would like to show off in the reception area, please let me know as soon as possible.]
    I do not believe we will have electricity in this area, as we have in the past, so generators may be something to bring along 
    I will try to have one or two spaces clear in my shop at home (45 min to 1 hr away) if we need to work on any serious problems.  Its a small shop, but it is warm, dry, lighted, and occasionally has British beer in the fridge. , .....  not that I would encourage consumption of alcohol prior to a race ...  (I think its 1.2 hrs bottle to throttle isn't it?????)
    A separate email will come to those on the list so they know I have their info, and what all I have.
  Thanks in advance,
   
   


Tom

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#4 white spitfire


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri May 11 09:23:25 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:23:25 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
In-Reply-To: <c03.107073b1.3375dc1b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F187A590B5A448A6576B96DD2390@phx.gbl>

Whether you print them on whit or gray... they wind up gray anyway (unless 
you wash them with the red socks then they wind up pink)!

YMMV;O)


Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: trmarty at hotmail.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT T. shirts
>Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:47:55 EDT
>
>Marty
>
>I have several inquiries that were sent to me and I will eventually forward
>to you to compare with your orders and to follow up as necessary.
>
>FOT,   subject Grey vs White
>
>I am wearing a Grey FOT shirt today. As Ted points out, you give up the
>official white in the coat of arms.
>
>We did this before, so why not again. I suspect the majority would go for 
>the
>grey. I vote for the Grey. I know that Bill Dentinger would.
>
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri May 11 10:01:05 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:01:05 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thermostat - Old style - for sale on ebay
Message-ID: <46449341.8040700@greenheart.com>

These things are rare and for those that like them because they make the 
bypass operate as designed...   there's one on e-bay England.  --Justin
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200108766982&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Fri May 11 10:17:47 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:17:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <ccb.f0d84eb.3375f12b@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:16:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good  morning,

Everyone attending the Motrah  

I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the  FOT can paddock together. I 
plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the  help of Jack Whoehrle to get 
me in.
I will be setting up a small  tent for a social area and securing enough 
space for us to get all the rigs  and cars in one area. 
To do this I need to know who all would like  to be in the FOT area. So far 
the list I have is quite small, it consists  of


Tom,
 
I will not be there until Thursday, but Carl Jensen is your contact on Wed.  
His cell is 561-379-7751 and mine is 803-463-5388.
 
Carl says you can get in anytime on Wed.
 
Jack Woehrle
 



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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Fri May 11 14:41:36 2007
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:41:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <002901c7940c$c4d8f620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>

We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The Roadster
Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
group would be appreciated.

Tim


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 11 14:49:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:49:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <661A4FAA.56BC8483.00159EE9@cs.com>

Our best experience so far is Ted Schumacher's offering.  I have had mine in the car since the late 90s.  Methinks care must be taken to present moisture from entering a 'weep' hole. Over the winter the result is some parts that become frozen.  Just happened to us, but cleaned it up and back in business.

The Gustafson unit may be just as good, but the wires should be stabilized with a little silicone, for use in a race car.  Your mileage may vary.


Joe Alexander



"Tim Murphy" <timmurph at fastbytes.com> wrote:

>We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
>reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The Roadster
>Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
>group would be appreciated.
>
>Tim
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 11 14:57:34 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
References: <002901c7940c$c4d8f620$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>
Message-ID: <012301c7940f$008c3f40$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

Ted Schumacher can hook you up.  He's on this FOT list.

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tim Murphy
  To: 'FOT'
  Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 4:41 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4


  We are planning on replacing our original Triumph TR-4 starter with a gear
  reduction unit.  The Bendix on ours is getting a little "iffy".  The
Roadster
  Factory currently has one for about $250.  Any thoughts or advice from the
  group would be appreciated.

  Tim
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri May 11 15:46:22 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:46:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
Message-ID: <cfc.f4f5baa.33763e2e@aol.com>

Another vote for Teds starters. He supplies the GOOD ones...
Glen



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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Fri May 11 15:49:10 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:49:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starters
Message-ID: <cd7.fa9c794.33763ed6@aol.com>

I agree with buying from Ted,
The problems I've seen with the other starters is that they are reconditioned 
instead of brand new.  No rebuilder bothers to replace the fixed contacts so 
after a bit of wear the big disc doesn't reliably close the contacts to spin 
the starter.  Spend the extra for one you know is new!  IMHO...Steve





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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri May 11 15:58:38 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:58:38 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4
References: <cfc.f4f5baa.33763e2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002601c79417$8a31d9f0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Roger That!

--Rocky Entriken

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Subject: Re: [Fot] Gear reduction starter for TR-4


> Another vote for Teds starters. He supplies the GOOD ones...
> Glen
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 17:47:16 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
In-Reply-To: <ccb.f0d84eb.3375f12b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <486030.82283.qm@web81703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Can we get into the padddock anytime on Thursday as well?
   
  Dennis

JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 5/11/2007 10:16:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
tstrange at sbcglobal.net writes:

Good morning,

Everyone attending the Motrah 

I have been asked to arrange a pit area so the FOT can paddock together. I 
plan to get there on Wed to set this up, with the help of Jack Whoehrle to get 
me in.
I will be setting up a small tent for a social area and securing enough 
space for us to get all the rigs and cars in one area. 
To do this I need to know who all would like to be in the FOT area. So far 
the list I have is quite small, it consists of


Tom,

I will not be there until Thursday, but Carl Jensen is your contact on Wed. 
His cell is 561-379-7751 and mine is 803-463-5388.

Carl says you can get in anytime on Wed.

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Fri May 11 18:37:44 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:37:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>

I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  
m


>From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
>Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 06:52:41 CDT
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] gapless rings

>Hi Group,
>
>                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative gapless rings?  
>
>Jim
>
>
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 11 18:41:20 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:41:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs. net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>

Total Seal gapless rings are available for TR4 engines.

I have used them and quite honestly couldn't tell the difference. 
Guys at my shop tell me that they don't see any difference in hp but 
they last longer and the power holds up longer.

At 07:37 PM 5/11/2007, Gasket Works USA wrote:
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.
>m
>
>
> >From: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
> >Date: 2007/05/11 Fri AM 06:52:41 CDT
> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
> >Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
>
> >Hi Group,
> >
> >                 Has anyone any experience, positive or negative 
> gapless rings?
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 11 19:11:13 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:11:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] motrah entries
Message-ID: <679553.92299.qm@web81104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

John, Henry, 
    Jack D has asked that I contact you ...  If you would like to paddock with the FOT at Road America, please let me know what you will be bringing.
    I need to stake out expensive real estate for our paddock area, therefor I need plot dimensions for each person.  This area is crowded, (and popular) and I cant block off more than we need, but I'd like to have enough space for everyone.
    If you would send me info on what you are bringing as far as tow vehicle, trailer (that can be put elsewhere or must stay with race car), do you plan on putting up a tent and if so, tent size and any special requirements ...  
    Thanks, I appreciate it.
   
   
  Anyone else...............
    If you would like space with the group, please get this same info to me so I can mark off real estate for you ....  
    The sooner the better as I wont have a lot of time to spend emailing back and forth to each individual....  
   
   


Tom

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#4 white spitfire


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri May 11 20:15:49 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:15:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs. net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <E1Hmh93-0002WM-00@pop-cowbird.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 08:37 PM 5/11/2007, Gasket Works USA wrote:
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.

TotalSeal will make any size you want.  I used them on my
(now Tony Drew's) TR-4 for years.


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From rjl at gt-classics.com  Fri May 11 20:18:06 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<200705120041.l4C0fUmL524107@ns3.geneseo.net>
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At 08:41 PM 5/11/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>Total Seal gapless rings are available for TR4 engines.
>
>I have used them and quite honestly couldn't tell the difference.
>Guys at my shop tell me that they don't see any difference in hp but
>they last longer and the power holds up longer.

Yeah, that's the key there - if you check leakdown numbers,
the performance doesn't degrade anywhere near as quickly.


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Fri May 11 20:32:54 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:32:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Starters & gapless rings
Message-ID: <3973516.5460981178937174496.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

I have Ted's starters on both of my race cars and two of my street Triumph's. I would not buy any other kind. Trouble free and I am talking years. So long I can't remember when I bought the first one. Bought it years ago at The Summer Party fron Ted's booth.

I also run total seal rings in the #2 ring position on all by race cars. The TR3 had over 90 race hours before the last rebuild and the leak down was from the valves and not the rings. They even converted my Deves rings to gapless. The last time I needed some they were out of the blanks and it would be a few weeks. I had plenty of #2 rings from previous rebuilds and they said send them in and they would convert them. Got them back in a few days.

Dean


From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Fri May 11 22:57:46 2007
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 04:57:46 +0000
Subject: [Fot] motrah entries
Message-ID: <051220070457.21598.4645494A000563310000545E22092246270E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net>

Tom: My TR is being brought to Road America with Bill Hart's Devin/TR. I have a consulting assignment in Milwaukee Monday thru Thursday so I was lucky that Bill was also going back. Tony Garmey is bringing the vehicles back in a 5th wheel two car trailer with a pretty good size cab. The trailer needs to stay with the race cars due to tools, etc. I've cc'd Tony on this e-mail so he can give you more precise dimensions. 

Appreciate the invite!

Regards, John

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> 

John, Henry, 
  Jack D has asked that I contact you ...  If you would like to paddock with the FOT at Road America, please let me know what you will be bringing.
  I need to stake out expensive real estate for our paddock area, therefor I need plot dimensions for each person.  This area is crowded, (and popular) and I cant block off more than we need, but I'd like to have enough space for everyone.
  If you would send me info on what you are bringing as far as tow vehicle, trailer (that can be put elsewhere or must stay with race car), do you plan on putting up a tent and if so, tent size and any special requirements ...  
  Thanks, I appreciate it.


Anyone else...............
  If you would like space with the group, please get this same info to me so I can mark off real estate for you ....  
  The sooner the better as I wont have a lot of time to spend emailing back and forth to each individual....  





Tom

http://www.fot-racing.com/spit/caption/tom_strange.htm


#4 white spitfire


From jibjib at att.net  Fri May 11 23:53:27 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 22:53:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

Even if they don't stock them, they will take your existing rings and cut
them.  I had the second compression ring from a set of Deves rings cut by
Total Seal 7 or 8 years ago.  Back then it was $5 for set up and $5 for each
ring.  It was no sweat to risk $45 + the cost of the rings.  

While I have not checked my compression or leak down lately, I have had no
problems in my street/AutoX TR3 with BFE's 87mm kit.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Gasket Works USA
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:38 PM
To: Friends of Triumph; Jim Cun
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings

I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  


From JWoesvra at aol.com  Sat May 12 05:55:59 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:55:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Motrah Paddock info needed from all attending
Message-ID: <cac.1055dc63.3377054f@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/11/2007 6:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
yellow-green at sbcglobal.net writes:

Can we get into the padddock anytime on Thursday as well?
 
Dennis



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat May 12 08:33:40 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>

I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to get 
a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can also 
get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that part number.
Larry Young

>Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  


From cartravel at pobox.com  Sat May 12 08:55:11 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:55:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
In-Reply-To: <4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>
References: <9459096.469511178930264248.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net>
	<028201c79459$dd22e400$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<4645D044.9090504@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <4645D54F.7080904@pobox.com>

Oops, that's the part number for conventional rings, the gapless ring is 
T9416.  For 89mm use T2675-1.  These are for pistons with 1.5/1.5/4.0 mm 
gaps.

Larry Young wrote:

> I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to 
> get a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can 
> also get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that 
> part number.
> Larry Young
>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>>
>> I didn't know these were available for Triumphs. 


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat May 12 11:05:44 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:05:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Wire wheels for someone
Message-ID: <d69.68a32aa.33774de8@aol.com>

Amici,
I'm forwarding the attached E-mail in the event any of you are interested.  
Nothing to do with me so contact her direct with questions.

Steve


Hi Steve, don't know if you remember me. I was the one looking for stuff for 
my husbands TR6.
We got just about everything from Goodparts in PA. Thanks for all your help!
I was wondering if you might come across anyone interested in a set of wire 
wheels.
This is a complete wire wheel conversion kit.
The wheels are Dayton Chrome Wire Wheels 15x6, the rear wheels are laced for 
a 1/2 inch more negative off set (outward). Gives the car a much better 
stance, as the original stance is narrower in the rear.
New adapters, studs & lug nuts. Three ear knockoffs (which are not available 
anymore).
This also includes the original painted wire wheels 5 of them which includes 
the spare tire on a painted wire.
In all 9 wheels and 5 tires.
The Dayton wires were custom ordered and only have 2000 miles on them. They 
are like new!
$1500.00.
The conversion should take someone about 2 hours to do.
Thanks!
 

Sincerely,
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat May 12 15:12:04 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] gapless rings
Message-ID: <20070512211205.75248.qmail@web51803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Larry, 
        I have a order Custom JE ultra light slipper skirt with 2 ring gapless top. Thanks very all every ones input it has been of great assistance. No negatives from what I have read so thumbs up!
 
Jim



----- Original Message ----
From: Larry Young <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, 13 May, 2007 12:33:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings


I've used Total Seal rings on my 87mm TR4 motor, but not enought to get 
a fair reading of their value.  The part no. is CR9416.  You can also 
get them off the shelf for 89mm, but I'd have to look up that part number.
Larry Young

>Subject: Re: [Fot] gapless rings
>
>I didn't know these were available for Triumphs.  
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From scypher at usa.com  Sat May 12 15:43:03 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Zenith Stromberg LP/IT Race Setup
Message-ID: <C961EAF9-184B-4116-9130-2E0B726C47D8@usa.com>

In the next week, I need to build up a carb (CD150) for the spit.  I  
have the ZS Haynes guide, Kas's first book, and the comp prep  
manual.  What other "tricks of the trade" should I look at doing,  
that may not be mentioned in the guides?
I have plenty of spares and needles to go through, so if there are  
particular parts that are better to use than others, I would  
appreciate someone sharing some information.  The only race carb I  
have was through-bored and the butterflies soldered, and all the  
bypass/temp/etc controls plugged off.

I'm also looking for a source for just carb float needs; I have  
plenty of gaskets, but almost no carb float needs to use in a rebuild.

As a final note, I am targeting the June 8th school at Gingerman.  If  
any of you follow the prod board, you'll know I bought out another  
racers car and setup, and installed my motor in it, and fired it up.   
The frame/roll cage I had been working on, I determined was not save,  
and the cage would need to be redone.

If anyone is looking for a frame/tub with a log-book history from the  
70's, I have that one, plus another that came from the other racer's  
buy-out.  Its the old drummond frame, for those of you who know of or  
remember the drummond brothers.

Thanks for listening
-Scott


From Labs0808 at aol.com  Sun May 13 04:26:11 2007
From: Labs0808 at aol.com (Labs0808 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 06:26:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] request for a locate
Message-ID: <d46.9072f4a.337841c3@aol.com>

Does anyone know How to find Robert (bob) Nuzzo. 
I last heard he lived in Illinois but I can't find him. I recently  purchased 
a 
1958 corvette he restored and race in the early 90s. 
 Thanks 
 Doug Karon 
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sun May 13 18:36:32 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:36:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] triple webers on GT6 - Triumphtune manifolds
Message-ID: <001901c795bf$ebbd1c80$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I am starting to assemble the above and found the first problem - the linkage
rod goes through the castings with nylon (?) bushings, which needless to say
do not line up three in a row, and the rod binds.  Should I just cut the
castings, drill and tap for rod ends with adjustable height (of course, I
still need to get them lined up in one plane!), or is there a better
solution?


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun May 13 22:59:36 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
Message-ID: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>

#197 is finally running and is trailered

The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.

They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.

Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.

All is right with the world and it is Midnight.

See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder

Joe A   </HTML>


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon May 14 06:42:32 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F3AF05176EFAEE149B1ACBD23E0@phx.gbl>

>#197 is finally running and is trailered
>
>The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.
>
>They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.
>
>Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.
>
>All is right with the world and it is Midnight.
>
>See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder


I can't wait!

I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell bridge?

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
>
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon May 14 07:40:42 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F3AF05176EFAEE149B1ACBD23E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74483AAA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 << I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell
bridge? >>

I just can't imagine it.  I'm sure it's an improvement of a sort, but I
really loved standing inside the old metal-sided bridge and listening to
the big bore cars thunder underneath.  Even better if you could stand on
the uptrack side of the bridge and peak through a crack to watch the
cars burst out from underneath.

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of greenman62 at hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 7:43 AM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sunday Night

>#197 is finally running and is trailered
>
>The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.
>
>They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.
>
>Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.
>
>All is right with the world and it is Midnight.
>
>See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder


I can't wait!

I wonder what Thunder Valley will be like without the Mitchell bridge?

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:59:36 EDT
>
>
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Mon May 14 07:45:56 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:45:56 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
Message-ID: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I want to bring that up again because I have some news about.

I've installed a new cam and tappets last year and now some of the tappets
don't look good and one is damaged.

I had a talk with a famous German cam manufacturer (Schrick) and they say that
tappets should be very slightly domed to handle geometrical imperfections. You
can run flat but it is better to have a dome less than 0.002mm (0.000079").
If the cam has a taper grind then you can have a dome of 0.004mm (0.000157")

The tappets on the market seems to have 0.007mm (0.00275") dome which could be
too much and a cause to cam failures. Depends on the cam if there is a taper
grind on.
So I think the better idea is to grind them flat and give them a slight dome
by hand on a lathe with fine sandpaper....

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: "'Larry Young'" <larry.young at pobox.com>; <Fubog1 at aol.com>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>; <triumph_marx at freenet.de>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: Tappet talk


> Actually, that's pretty much exactly what I said. A dome will help if it
> serves to move the contact patch off center. On a TR3/4 engine the cam is
> offset from the centerline of the lifter. If you have a domed lifter and an
> offset cam it will move the contact patch more towards the centerline of
the
> lifter, reducing the amount of lifter rotation.
>
> Note in the picture that the domed lifter does NOTHING to induce rotation
by
> itself. The first picture showing no rotation has a domed lifter.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Young [mailto:larry.young at pobox.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 3:57 PM
> To: Fubog1 at aol.com
> Cc: Bill Babcock; fot at autox.team.net; triumph_marx at freenet.de
> Subject: Re: Tappet talk
>
> Maybe a picture will help.  This is out of a Ford design manual -
> http://home.swbell.net/cartrip/CamTaper2.gif (do we believe Ford or
> Mercedes?). Keep in mind that the figure is greatly exaggerated.  With a 50
> to 60 inch radius, the total height of the crown is less than 0.002.
> Lobes in a TR4 engine are offset about 0.050 from the lifter bores.
> (Sorry Chris, all dimensions are in inches).
> Larry
>
>
> >In a message dated 1/6/2006 3:02:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >BillB at bnj.com
> >writes:
> >
> >I can't  visualize how doming would help rotation unless it was moving
> >the contact  patch off center in a cam/lifter pair where the cam lobe
> >was centered over  the lifter.
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon May 14 07:54:04 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820919E7A9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

Bad news from Texas. After a distressing weekend working on the car I
had to make a decision not to take the car. I thought I had fixed a
problem that showed up after I blew a head gasket tha last time out at
TWS. After that I found that all 4 intake valves had stuck and that the
reason I was blowing head gaskets was worn out threads in the head stud
holes. After I replaced the threads with Timeserts on the 6 holes on the
top of the block I restarted the car and found it to be very noisy.
After a protracted diagnosis I found that the camshaft was bad with a
lot of excess end float. So I replaced this obviously bad part and
readied the car in other ways for the race. When I started the engine
after replacing the camshaft it sounded pretty good but was a little
noisy. The noise would go away over 2000 RPM. The next time I started
it, this past Saturday it was even noisier. I replaced the oil since it
still had some water in it but that didn't help. After pulling the head
again and rechecking all that I can check it still sounds the same. I
should have pulled a piston when I had the head off. So after all that
it looks like I had more than one problem and the camshaft wasn't the
only cause of the noise. At this point I'm thinking I damaged the
piston/wrist pin bore when it overheated at TWS. I don't have the time
left, or the parts to fix that. It is possible that it is just piston
slap which might not lead to a catotrophic failure, but I don't want to
take that chance. Net result I'm not bringing the car. I am very bummed.

I had a crew of 4 coming with me. I think there is a good chance that we
still might make the trip just to come watch. Does anyone have spare
crew passes?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May 14 08:04:24 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:04:24 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <d28.bf49d08.3379c668@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 8:54:32 AM Central Daylight Time, 
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

Please Come!  

Give me names of those needing passes and I'll see what I can do.

You need a vacation after all of that. Cant think of a beeter one than Road 
America

Joe (A)

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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May 14 08:25:26 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:25:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <cf3.10128986.3379cb56@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 8:54:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

I had a  crew of 4 coming with me. I think there is a good chance that we
still  might make the trip just to come watch. Does anyone have spare
crew  passes?

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North  IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx  512-272-9365


Bob,
 
We will of course give you a refund. We will also let you have as many VIP  
passes as you need.
 
Jack Woehrle
SVRA



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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Mon May 14 08:35:55 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:35:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] my TR4A is ill.
Message-ID: <cb5.10b92847.3379cdcb@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/14/2007 9:34:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKramer at rdoequipment.com writes:

 
That is great. I will  probably still come because I planned the trip with my 
son and a couple  of friends. One friend was sick all weekend so he may not 
come. I'll get this  car to an SVRA event soon. I promise.
Thanks for the  refund. If I can't latch on as crew I'll look you up. Strike 
that,  I'll  look you up anyway.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon May 14 08:56:51 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] crew pass
Message-ID: <645667.2677.qm@web58912.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Anyone have a spare crew pass or two available for this coming weekend?
   
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon May 14 19:05:49 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:05:49 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fridaly Night Ticket for Dinner
Message-ID: <c9c.fcbf602.337a616d@cs.com>

FoT,

I lost one of my entourage, but gained two more.

Does anyone have an extra dinner ticket that I can buy?

Thanks,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From fasttrs at mindspring.com  Mon May 14 19:41:11 2007
From: fasttrs at mindspring.com (Mike Munson)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
References: <bbd.175e4f87.337946b8@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000601c79692$1e553240$6601a8c0@mikek6u8bickf2>

I regret that I won't be there this year. With my move north to Kentucky and
my son Sam's spinal fusion surgery a few weeks back, I found it just too
difficult to make this year's event.

I know you guys will have a blast! 
See you next year!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 1:00 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Sunday Night

#197 is finally running and is trailered

The Brits Landed at O'Hare and drove to Jesup, Iowa.

They are off to Uncle Jacks on Monday.

Corn Rows are appearing in Iowa.

All is right with the world and it is Midnight.

See everyone Thursday at the Four Miles of Black Thunder

Joe A   </HTML>
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From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 05:56:00 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
Message-ID: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1 while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?
   
  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15 really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX. Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives would affect oil pressure.
   
  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they that important in a street engine?
   
  Thoughts???
   
  M

       
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue May 15 06:16:00 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:16:00 -0500
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <200705151216.l4FCGMYU210798@ns3.geneseo.net>

As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
who helped with this search.

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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May 15 06:30:13 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:30:13 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
Message-ID: <003601c796ec$ca0dd1a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Maybe too much advance?
Or the rod's big end is out of round?

Cheers
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent rod,
been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would wear?
Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?

  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought it
was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when they
start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX. Followed the
oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives would affect oil
pressure.

  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?

  Thoughts???

  M


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Tue May 15 06:32:23 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:32:23 +0200
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <003901c796ed$16de9550$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Wow...that's great news.
I'm very happy that Keith has a Kastner car.
Hope it will win at RA.

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews
To: chris at tr4-racing.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS



As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.


The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
that would prove it.


We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.


Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.


BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.


We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
who helped with this search.


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 15 06:37:29 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:37:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <c85.145e0b0f.337b0389@cs.com>

Jack & FoT,

INCREDIBLE NEWS!!!!

Larry Rossi is actual from near Stowe, Vermont. 

It was a conversation with Kas that led me to pose the questions about it's 
provenance. After telling Kas a little bit about the history of the 
Spencer/Rossi/Files TR4, Kas suggested that this 'might' be a Sebring car, as Spencer 
took possession of one or two of the Sebring cars. 

Certainly all of FoT can be excited about the find and uncovering of such a 
historical car. 

Since Keith is here in the US to race his "SEBRING" TR4 and Kas & Peg are 
currently en route to join us, it makes it all the more sweet.

Kas will be able to make the final inspection at this time.

Yee ha!

Joe Alexander



  


> As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
> to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
> Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
> car from new.
> 
> The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
> by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
> for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
> showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
> of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
> this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
> that would prove it.
> 
> We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
> the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
> underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
> line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
> bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.
> 
> Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
> getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
> more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
> and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
> engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
> welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.
> 
> BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
> straight up.
> 
> We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
> Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
> Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
> who helped with this search.
> 
> uncle jack 
> 
> 
> 

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From tsheach at pba.co.uk  Tue May 15 08:22:17 2007
From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:22:17 +0100
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <E1HnxqB-00016W-6a@esau.t-mobile.co.uk>

Fantastic news! Great to hear that another genuine car has survived .....
Drive carefully.

My best wishes to all for the big weekend.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: 15/05/07 13:32
Subject: Re: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

Wow...that's great news.
I'm very happy that Keith has a Kastner car.
Hope it will win at RA.

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Drews
To: chris at tr4-racing.de
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS



As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.


The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all


From mlcooknj at msn.com  Tue May 15 08:42:24 2007
From: mlcooknj at msn.com (michael cook)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <BAY136-DAV109CED47CCCB076F1739A3C83D0@phx.gbl>

Hi All-

First: YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!

I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story for
The Vintage Triumph

Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
history with the car.

I almost certainly have photos of Jim Spencer racing the car at Watkins Glen
and perhaps other tracks.

Where is the car going to be when Keith isn't here to race it?

Very exciting!

Mike Cook
10 Hawthorne Rd.
Wayne, NJ 07470

973 835-9079
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack W. Drews
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:17 AM
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kas kastner; trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
who helped with this search.

uncle jack



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Tue May 15 08:48:55 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:48:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
References: <BAY136-DAV109CED47CCCB076F1739A3C83D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c79700$299b3460$0301000a@Chowdown>

Now you'd better drill out that hole again! ;)

~Steve

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack W. Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:17 AM
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kas kastner; trhouse at greenapple.com; 
> fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
>
> As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4
> to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in
> Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race
> car from new.
>
> The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased
> by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver
> for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage
> showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all
> of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that
> this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link
> that would prove it.
>
> We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on
> the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the
> underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler
> line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp
> bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.
>
> Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
> getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender
> more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot,
> and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the
> engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the
> welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.
>
> BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
> straight up.
>
> We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
> Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
> Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all
> who helped with this search.
>
> uncle jack
>
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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue May 15 09:28:10 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:28:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
In-Reply-To: <200705151216.l4FCGMYU210798@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705151216.l4FCGMYU210798@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <8C9651CC7895063-DA0-1356@webmail-me11.sysops.aol.com>

That's really cool!  I think Jon may be related to Sherlock Holmes...
 
You guys have a great time at Motrah.  Us West Coast (including Vegas) racers are envious and wish we could be there.  If you get a chance, look up a VARA member out there with you racing a Sprite.  His name is Gerald Allen.  Ask him about the Triumph frieght train that went by him at the British Extravaganza last weekend.  He'll probably say that he let us by because he was saving his motor for Motrah.  I like our version of the story much better!
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
 
 
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To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kaskas at cox.net; trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS


As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 
to go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in 
Connecticut, previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race 
car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased 
by Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver 
for Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage 
showed that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all 
of Kas' cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that 
this was a genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link 
that would prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on 
the FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the 
underhood area of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler 
line ran across the inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp 
bolted to the inner fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here, 
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender 
more closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, 
and it had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the 
engine compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the 
welder didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right 
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that 
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the 
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all 
who helped with this search.

uncle jack 



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May 15 09:47:15 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:47:15 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <bff.174f82cc.337b3003@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/15/2007 9:38:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
mlcooknj at msn.com writes:


> I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
> historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story 
> for
> The Vintage Triumph
> 
> Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
> history with the car.
> 
> 

Mike...

Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with SVRA 
at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for you. 
 Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with the 
car.

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 10:12:45 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:12:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
In-Reply-To: <bff.174f82cc.337b3003@aol.com>
Message-ID: <853583.5829.qm@web58908.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill:
   
  If someone could introduce me to Mr. Rossi, I have already told Mike that I would be happy to bring my cameras to RA and take photos.  I could also forward contact information.
   
  Ernie

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/15/2007 9:38:19 AM Central Daylight Time, 
mlcooknj at msn.com writes:


> I won't be at Road America but I hope someone will be taking photos of this
> historic car and digging around for more clues. It will make a great story 
> for
> The Vintage Triumph
> 
> Is Larry Rossi on FOT? If not, I need contact information. I want to get his
> history with the car.
> 
> 

Mike...

Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with SVRA 
at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for you. 
Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with the 
car.

Bill Dentinger



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 15 11:19:59 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:19:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <d00.fa25ef3.337b45bf@cs.com>

He no longer on the FOT List but I am in contact with him.

Joe


> Mike...
> 
> Probably not, but he is registered to run his LOLA T598 Sports 2000 with 
> SVRA at ROAD AMERICA this week end, so we should be able to get that info for 
> you.  Also a good chance for Keith and Uncle Jack to get a picture of him with 
> the car.
> 
> Bill Dentinger
> 

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From tr5racer at btinternet.com  Tue May 15 16:02:19 2007
From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:02:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS
Message-ID: <70348.84092.qm@web86614.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

As I am coming over from the UK to drive the car in the Enduro on Friday I am more than pleased that the cars provenance has now been verified.
   
  According to an old Sports Car Graphic of mine, Jim Spencer finished 5th overall and won his class in a TR4 at the 1964 Badger 200 Enduro at Road America in 1964. Do you think this was also in Keiths car?
   
  See you all Friday.
   
  Regards
   
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From jibjib at att.net  Tue May 15 21:25:45 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <466837.73121.qm@web90309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <03bb01c79769$e51c0ed0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

Mark,

Is it possible that #1 big end isn't getting enough oil?  I know the engine
oil pressure is good, but perhaps there is a restricted passageway coming
out of the crank.

Also, what does the wear look like?  Is it even across the journal or offset
to one side?  

This is purely conjecture on my part.  I have not experienced uneven wear
like you described.

Jack

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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mark eginton
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:56 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent
rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would
wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?
   
  The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought
it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX ->  40 wt when
they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX.
Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives
would affect oil pressure.
   
  Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?
   
  Thoughts???
   
  M

       
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Tue May 15 13:39:51 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:39:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <006201c79728$ce5c7400$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello All:

Several months ago the subject of modern oil formulations and their effect on
our flat-tappet equipped engines was discussed here.  One CSRG members, Harlan
Halsey, decided to investigate and found some interesting information.  The
following is a summary of his findings.

Gary
62 TR-4

On ZDDP



When I was a boy growing up on Long Island during the war gas stations sold
oil both in cans and in bulk. Stations usually had three rectangular 40 gallon
tanks with pumps on top at the back of a service bay, and a shelf with
pre-filled 20W, 30W and 40W glass bottles on it. The bulk oil was cheaper, and
although the stations held that it was the same stuff, most people believed
that the canned oil was somehow better. We also watched to see that the glass
bottle was completely emptied into the engine; we wanted every drop we paid
for! By 1963 when I bought my first Porsche, Pennsylvania oils were thought to
be best (Quaker State Racing oil in the engine, Oilzum in the transmission,
AMOCO "no lead" white gas in the tank, and off to Thompson or Lime Rock with
the Lotus). I used Quaker State oil exclusively both on the track and on the
street. But by sometime in the 1970's Quaker State became Pennsylvania "grade"
oil signifying that the base stock no longer came exclusively from the
Pennsylvania wells.  In the 1990's I learned that Kendall Oil was the best
stuff, and used it exclusively until, a few years ago, I heard the Kendall Oil
had changed and that some recent camshaft failures were thought to be traced
to that oil. I changed to Mobil 1 and SWPCO. And then I read several articles
alleging that the Kendall  Oil problem was traced to the reduction of ZDDP. In
the interests of longevity of my 60's era cars I decided to look into the ZDDP
situation. I called and spoke with technical people at The American Refining
Group-Brad Penn Oil, SWEPCO and Exxon Mobil. Brad Penn and SWEPCO were very
helpful. Exxon Mobil, even on their technical line, was not. Here's what I
found:

ZDDP is a molecule which reacts to pressure in such a way as to prevent metal
to metal contact in high pressure places. It will not be easy to replace this
function. This is especially important for "flat" tappet cam followers, and
grows more important the higher the valve spring force. Higher valve spring
forces result from longer duration or higher the RPM, the way 90 HP production
cars were turned into 130HP SCCA "production" race cars in the 60's. Modern
cars are engineered around this by using overhead cams or roller followers, so
we, with older technology, are part of a shrinking market. There may be
substitutes for ZDDP, but as the engine technology has moved on, the effort
toward finding one will not be as it was in the mainstream we were used to.

ZDDP was first added to engine oils sometime between the late 30's and the mid
1940s. All post war high performance cars depend on it. It is an additive for
which they were engineered.

There is a limit to how much ZDDP is beneficial because too much causes
harmful deposits in the engine and can cause piston ring sticking. Between .1%
and .2% by weight seems to be about right.

The current flap over ZDDP probably originated because it was found that
catalytic converter life could be extended if the amount of Phosphorous in
motor oils were to be reduced. But what exactly is mandated, and by whom, is a
bit murky: There seem to be four players in this game; the American and
Japanese car companies, the API (American Petroleum Institute), the ILSAC (
International Lubricant Standardization and Approval Committee) and Big
Brother. The car companies are interested in longer catalytic converter life
for warranty cost reasons. The ILSAC's purpose seems to be to deal with
current cars and certify oils for those cars. These cars use only 0W20or 30,
5W20or30, and 10W30. The API is a "branding" agency like Good Housekeeping or
the UL. The latest API SM approval follows the ILSAC lower ZDDP only for the
ILSASC oils, not (yet) for the heavier 40W and up oils. This means that the
oil companies can, for the moment, use greater amounts of ZDDP in their 40W
and up oils and still get an API SM rating. It does not mean that they do.

Jim Shannon of the American Refining Group wrote, ".in regards to the
reduction of Zinc dialkyl dithio phosphate (ZDDP, ZnDTP, or ZDP) in the SM
rating . the reduction is the result of the EPA mandated reduction of the
phosphorus content in Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO).  The phosphorus is @ 90%
of the ZDDP additive system.  As a guideline, the phosphorus ppm limits for
most recent API service categories are: SH-1200, SJ-1000, SL-1000 and SM-800.
The primary viscosities involved in these PCMO categories are the lower
multi-vis formulations e.g. SAE 5W-20, 5W-30 and 10W-30.  This is due to the
fact they fall under ILSAC energy conserving viscosity guidelines and are also
the viscosities recommended in the [modern car] Original Equipment
Manufactures (OEMs) owner's manuals."  Thus it is not yet mandated that all
oils have limited amounts of ZDDP. And the appearance of am SM rating does not
necessarily mean that the oil has less than .8% ZDDP.  Some gasoline engine
oils such as Mobil 1 15W50 EP, and SWEPCO 20W50 and 15W40, have "much more
than 1% ZDDP". And diesel engines require ZDDP in the piston pin area because
of high loading, so to date diesel engine oils (API CI-4 and earlier) are
unaffected.

At least three of the smaller oil companies have responded to the ZDDP flap
and continue to produce high (>.1%) ZDDP oils: SWEPCO is one, Motor Head Hi-Z,
is another and Brad Penn Lubricants, producing Penn Grade 1 Racing Oil is a
third. SWEPCO oils and other products can be purchased through Pat Dewitt in
Sacramento (916-996-1072), Motor Head Hi-Z advertises in Skinned Knuckles
magazine (800-242-8649), and Penn Grade 1 Racing Oil is the original Kendall
Oil Refinery advertising in Circle Track magazine (local source is Karmont
Development in Danville, CA.  The contact there is Monte Berney, and he can be
reached at (925) 766-4680; www.amref.com).

Apparently when Kendall Oil was sold, only the brand name went to Conoco
Phillips. The Bradford, PA refinery cannot refine anything other than the
original Pennsylvania grade crude.  Conoco Phillips didn't want it. So the
American Refining Group is operating the Bradford refinery and producing the
original Kendall oils under the name Brad Penn Premium Pennsylvania Grade
Lubricants and producing high ZDDP oils.

Whether the reduction in ZDDP from .1% to .08% will make a difference or not
is unclear. But what is disturbing is that the oil companies' interest is no
longer aligned with ours. We can no longer take it for granted that oil
companies will produce the best oil of which technology is capable for the
price, and that over time engine oils will continually get better, or that we
will know about changes affecting us as they occur. With Big Brother in the
picture, oils may get worse in the future in order to meet some criteria other
than engine longevity. We may not know about it until it is too late. The
Kendall-Conoco-Phillips situation is illustrative: The stuff now labeled as
Kendall is made by another company without any indication of that on the
label. The engineer answering the Mobil telephone technical line (800-662-4525
option 3) refused to tell me how much ZDDP is in the various types of Mobil 1
citing company confidentiality. But he assured me that for now, the API-SL
rated Mobil1 15W50 EP has "much more" than 1% ZDDP. The engineer I spoke to on
a subsequent call about the non EP, API-SM rated version of the 15W50 refused
to give any information about ZDDP levels other than to say that there is more
of it in the EP version. That fact alone is suggestive. But I rather doubt
that if in the future Mobil decides to lower the amount of ZDDP they will let
anybody know.

There are engine oil supplements such as GM's EOS and STP 4-Cylinder Oil
Treatment, but these are not pure ZDDP, and do not specify the amount of ZDDP
in them-if any. So they would seem to be useless for the purpose of adjusting
the ZDDP level in deficient oil. (EOS has been around for ages, it is a
component of Win Lube, with which we faithfully slather our new camshafts. But
since the contents are not disclosed, who knows if today, it is even the same
stuff we have been using?)

One obvious solution is to stock up now on enough of the good stuff to last a
few racing seasons-assuming that vintage racing isn't banned altogether as
contributing to global warming! (In that case, there's always Neville Shute's
solution). If you stock up, you'll have enough time to figure out what to do
until a source of ZDDP is found and we know how to use it, or we find we can
live without it. Who knows, in the future, getting a little ZDDP may become as
exciting as was getting a copy of "Lady Chatterley's Lover" in the 50's.

Harlan Halsey


From BillB at bnj.com  Tue May 15 22:19:40 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:19:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Northwest Contingent
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 I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but there will be a sizable
Northwest contingent at Motrah. I'm in Sioux City Iowa as I type (in a
campground with Nero and Peyote) and I know Tony Garmey is on his way
from Seattle with Bill Hart's Devin Triumph and John James' TR4. See you
all soon.

Bill
On the road.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of chasgee at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:28 AM
To: vinttr4 at geneseo.net; n197tr4 at cs.com; kaskas at cox.net;
trhouse at greenapple.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS

That's really cool!  I think Jon may be related to Sherlock Holmes...

You guys have a great time at Motrah.  Us West Coast (including Vegas)
racers are envious and wish we could be there.  If you get a chance,
look up a VARA member out there with you racing a Sprite.  His name is
Gerald Allen.  Ask him about the Triumph frieght train that went by him
at the British Extravaganza last weekend.  He'll probably say that he
let us by because he was saving his motor for Motrah.  I like our
version of the story much better!

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net
To: n197tr4 at cs.com; kaskas at cox.net; trhouse at greenapple.com;
fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 5:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] GOOD HISTORICAL NEWS


As you may all recall, Keith Files of the UK purchased a Triumph TR4 to
go racing in the USA. Joe Alexander found a car for him in Connecticut,
previously owned by Larry Rossi. The car had been a race car from new.

The paperwork that came with the car indicated that it was purchased by
Jim Spencer from a holding company in 1963. Spencer was a driver for
Kastner in the 60's, including Sebring. The records from Heritage showed
that it was delivered to L. A. Sportscars, the source of all of Kas'
cars, at the right time for this to be true. We hoped that this was a
genuine Sebring car and kept looking for the missing link that would
prove it.

We attempted to make the final connection, with help from friends on the
FOT and Triumph lists. Then Kas found a photograph of the underhood area
of those cars. It clearly showed that the oil cooler line ran across the
inner LH fender and was secured by an Audel clamp bolted to the inner
fender. Alas, no hole in this car. Disappointment.

Last night, however, with the owner Keith Files and Jon Wood here,
getting ready for MOTRAH at Road America, Jon examined the fender more
closely. There HAD BEEN a hole there, in exactly the right spot, and it
had been welded and ground off. This isn't apparent in the engine
compartment, but is obvious inside the wheel well, where the welder
didn't take as much care in grinding off the weld.

BINGO! This made the little hairs on the back of my neck stand right
straight up.

We feel that this find, along with the paper trail, indicates that
Keith's car really is one of the actual Sebring cars raced by the
Kastner team at Sebring! Congratulations, Keith, and thanks to all who
helped with this search.

uncle jack



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From tlizzard at msn.com  Wed May 16 05:34:09 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:34:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1A644729445F147DD357CC33C0@phx.gbl>

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Stetler<mailto:tlizzard at msn.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> ;
Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car


  Thanks for the very informative post.
  I believe that the Red Line oils are still on "our" side as well.

  Seems to me that if this trend continues, and it no doubt will, we will have
to find ways other than obscure lubricant formulations to continue to enjoy
our vehicles.  This will require the acceptance of the situation by the
governing bodies of our sport, to allow modernising to accomplish the goal of
continued operation.  Of course the hardest nut to crack will be conservative
old timers like myself, who really cringe at the thought of modern components
in our old cars.  But given the choice of parking it or using it, I'll side
with using it, even if that means some pretty radical changes to engine
specification.

  Terry Stetler


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May 16 06:18:48 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:18:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Northwest Contingent
Message-ID: <d0a.fd6fc13.337c50a8@cs.com>

Bill Babcock

If you are already on Highway 20....why dont you stop for break in Jesup? Kas 
will likely be be here, but later in the afternoon.

Exit 245 near Waterloo.

We are leaving at 4:00PM for Geneseo, IL (Uncle Jack's)


645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 
319.464.4711


> I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but there will be a sizable
> Northwest contingent at Motrah. I'm in Sioux City Iowa as I type (in a
> campground with Nero and Peyote) and I know Tony Garmey is on his way
> from Seattle with Bill Hart's Devin Triumph and John James' TR4. See you
> all soon.
> 
> Bill
> On the road. 
> 

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed May 16 06:42:12 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Road America - East Coasters?
Message-ID: <018701c797b7$a0b27dd0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone going to Road America from the mid-Atlantic this weekend?  I am looking
for someone who has space on the return for four used wheels with tires
mounted on them.  I'm near Philadelphia but will travel to you to get them.


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed May 16 08:32:10 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:32:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
References: <006201c79728$ce5c7400$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609664B@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

wow, Who is Harlan Halsey. Dude can write.


From herald948 at aol.com  Wed May 16 08:59:46 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:59:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tornado on eBay
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Anyone see this? Anyone interested? On eBay....

Item number: 150123022580
Item URL:   
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1501230225
80&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11>
Current bid:    US $7,500.00 (0 bids)

--Andy  Mace

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Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Wed May 16 09:34:58 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:34:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Modern Motor Oil and Your Car
Message-ID: <d09.1088e49d.337c7ea2@wmconnect.com>

The most useful information that I have so far found, after a LOT of 
research, regarding the zddp in oil fiasco is at:

<A HREF="www.lnengineering.com/oil.html ">www.lnengineering.com/oil.html</A> 

nb. 

1) GM's EOS and STP's 4-cylinder engine oil treatment (RED) bottle are 
recommended as being able to raise the zddp levels.

2) The Phosphorous is not 90% of the formula, it is more like 60% as the Zinc 
& Phosphorous are synergistic.

3) Keeping a stock of old engine oil may not be the answer either, as I have 
read that the additive package may settle out? 

Apart from that a lot of good work in the previos email by Harland.

Regards

Leon 

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From doddk at mossmotors.com  Wed May 16 12:24:50 2007
From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 11:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1179338400.10931.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0C457634@kb1.mossmotors.com>

A friend of mine in Santa Monica, CA has been ordered to demolish over
50% of his non-compliance building after 20 years of use. Amidst the
incredible wealth of British parts that have to go is a pretty complete
GT6+ that has been in outside storage for many years. If a home isn't
found very quickly the car will be crushed.

No history on the car and probably no paperwork. The car has a
mismatched bonnet with it, with metal covering the turn signal holes.
There is also some lettering indicating that it may have been a stalled
race car project.
The car could be restored, but a lot of bits such as lamps are missing
so I would not jump on this as a candidate for a lick of paint and sell
for profit.

The car is very buildable and although stored outside as typical in CA
it does not have much, if any (I didn't examine the car fully). It just
looks disreputable as all heck.

I did my bit and hauled home a charity case MGA coupe yesterday. Is
there anyone in the L.A. area that can give this jewel a home?

If seriously interested, please contact me and I can give you a contact
number. I want to vet the calls, as this guy is overwhelmed enough
without having to deal a lot of information calls.

thanks

Kelvin Dodd


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed May 16 13:01:07 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 12:01:07 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
Message-ID: <20593546.1179342067986.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

If anyone back east wants the car, I could help get it and put it on a truck for someone.  I'm in LA and willing to help with the transaction and shipping.

~Steve Belfer

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dodd, Kelvin" <doddk at mossmotors.com>
>Sent: May 16, 2007 11:24 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] GT6+ needs a good home
>
>A friend of mine in Santa Monica, CA has been ordered to demolish over
>50% of his non-compliance building after 20 years of use. Amidst the
>incredible wealth of British parts that have to go is a pretty complete
>GT6+ that has been in outside storage for many years. If a home isn't
>found very quickly the car will be crushed.
>
>No history on the car and probably no paperwork. The car has a
>mismatched bonnet with it, with metal covering the turn signal holes.
>There is also some lettering indicating that it may have been a stalled
>race car project.
>The car could be restored, but a lot of bits such as lamps are missing
>so I would not jump on this as a candidate for a lick of paint and sell
>for profit.
>
>The car is very buildable and although stored outside as typical in CA
>it does not have much, if any (I didn't examine the car fully). It just
>looks disreputable as all heck.
>
>I did my bit and hauled home a charity case MGA coupe yesterday. Is
>there anyone in the L.A. area that can give this jewel a home?
>
>If seriously interested, please contact me and I can give you a contact
>number. I want to vet the calls, as this guy is overwhelmed enough
>without having to deal a lot of information calls.
>
>thanks
>
>Kelvin Dodd
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Wed May 16 16:44:13 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:44:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions
Message-ID: <E1HoSE8-0005JZ-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi all,
         I received this today - and since I'm not that up on what
works for a TR-6, I thought I'd send it along.  Please respond
to docmanakos at verizon.net, not me.  I suggested that I was
pretty sure that Moss now carries the brake drums, but couldn't
help much with the rest of his questions.  Thanks for your help.

=============================================

I was wondering if you knew where I could get some aluminum brake 
drums? I read the article by Huge Barber about getting a pair of 
aluminum brake drums for a 240-Z and having them machined for a TR6. 
But when I called his part sources like American Specialty I found 
out that they were bought out by Power Brakes and no longer carried 
forgein parts or machined aluminum drums for that purpose. I can not 
find a web site for American Remanufacturing so I am writing you. I 
was also wondering if you knew of any performance shoes I use once I 
get the aluminum drums.

                             DrSM

Do you have any suspension upgrades for TR6 autocrossing? Some 
suggested spring rates, front back ratio for under/oversteer, sway 
bars, shocks, etc?

=======================================


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 22:54:07 2007
From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 21:54:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <03bb01c79769$e51c0ed0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <789588.15837.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

  Mark.
   
  Considering your previous bad experiences with Ford rods you should check everything on the suspect rod at least three times.  Jack Brooks' recommendation to check the big end for out-of-round conditions makes sense.  Did you happen to check the journal the rod was running on before the crank was turned?  I have previously measured some high mileage cranks and found journals that were slightly egg shaped. 
   
  -Jim  

   
  
Jack Brooks <jibjib at att.net> wrote:
  Mark,

Is it possible that #1 big end isn't getting enough oil? I know the engine
oil pressure is good, but perhaps there is a restricted passageway coming
out of the crank.

Also, what does the wear look like? Is it even across the journal or offset
to one side? 

This is purely conjecture on my part. I have not experienced uneven wear
like you described.

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of mark eginton
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 4:56 AM
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue

This may be one of those questions like "what's up with women" but I am
regrinding a crank on a street TR 3 engine that wore out big end bearing #1
while all the others and the mains look like new. Its clearly not a bent
rod, been there on a Ford. Can't figure out why just the one journal would
wear? Anything I should check before putting in the reground crank?

The car has always had an oil pressure issue 70psi cold, 20 psi hot, 15
really hot. It was this way through two engines from bran new to... Thought
it was the gauge but never really investigated. Ran 30 wt GTX -> 40 wt when
they start to smoke. Last decade or so I have been running 20 50 GTX.
Followed the oil emails all winter but I can't imaging that the additives
would affect oil pressure.

Finally, having problems finding tri-metal bearings at 30 over, are they
that important in a street engine?

Thoughts???

M


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From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi  Thu May 17 01:19:19 2007
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:19:19 +0300
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings
Message-ID: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>

Yesterday I took my Spitfire for the first track outing with a newly 
rebuilt 1147cc engine. After a few sessions the valve clearances started 
to increase a lot, and it appeared that the camshaft had started to 
grind itself downwards in the block.

The camshaft is of large diameter type (1.965" journal dia) running 
without separate cam bearings. The bore in the block is now something 
like 0.04" oversized vertically...

I'd like to keep this block though, as it just received a bit expensive 
re-sleeving. Replacing the camshaft is no problem.

Any suggestions how to proceed? Does anyone know if the cam bearings 
from any other engine would fit the large diameter camshaft? The 
cylinder block could be line bored to fit those.

Regards
Jari
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/


From chasgee at aol.com  Thu May 17 08:59:40 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings
In-Reply-To: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>
References: <464C01F7.8050001@pp.inet.fi>
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Not that I have found.  But you can fit the 1300/TR6 cam bearings and have the cam bearing journals ground/turned to size.
 
Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi
To: Fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cam Bearings


Yesterday I took my Spitfire for the first track outing with a newly 
rebuilt 1147cc engine. After a few sessions the valve clearances started 
to increase a lot, and it appeared that the camshaft had started to 
grind itself downwards in the block.

The camshaft is of large diameter type (1.965" journal dia) running 
without separate cam bearings. The bore in the block is now something 
like 0.04" oversized vertically...

I'd like to keep this block though, as it just received a bit expensive 
re-sleeving. Replacing the camshaft is no problem.

Any suggestions how to proceed? Does anyone know if the cam bearings 
from any other engine would fit the large diameter camshaft? The 
cylinder block could be line bored to fit those.

Regards
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 17 12:36:13 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:36:13 -0800
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions
References: <E1HoSE8-0005JZ-00@pop-scotia.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00c201c798b2$3fe4ac20$1a02a8c0@workstation3>

John, the brake drums are available from Victoria British for a 240 Z.  The
center has to be opened a little to fit the hub, assuming you don't have
Z-car axels, and the groove from the back has to be trimmed to fit the
backing plate.
Good Parts(http://goodparts.com/) has the correct autocrossing parts for a
TR6.  I have both the front and rear bars and I'm very happy with them.
Ted Shumaker(http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com/) also has some parts that
may interest you and believe he can do some things with spring rates.
Both these companies can provide parts for high performance TR's
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. John Lye" <rjl at gt-classics.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR-6 Questions


> Hi all,
>          I received this today - and since I'm not that up on what
> works for a TR-6, I thought I'd send it along.  Please respond
> to docmanakos at verizon.net, not me.  I suggested that I was
> pretty sure that Moss now carries the brake drums, but couldn't
> help much with the rest of his questions.  Thanks for your help.
>
> =============================================
>
> I was wondering if you knew where I could get some aluminum brake
> drums? I read the article by Huge Barber about getting a pair of
> aluminum brake drums for a 240-Z and having them machined for a TR6.
> But when I called his part sources like American Specialty I found
> out that they were bought out by Power Brakes and no longer carried
> forgein parts or machined aluminum drums for that purpose. I can not
> find a web site for American Remanufacturing so I am writing you. I
> was also wondering if you knew of any performance shoes I use once I
> get the aluminum drums.
>
>                              DrSM
>
> Do you have any suspension upgrades for TR6 autocrossing? Some
> suggested spring rates, front back ratio for under/oversteer, sway
> bars, shocks, etc?
>
> =======================================
>
>
> R. John Lye
>
> rjl6n at cstone.net
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri May 18 19:10:03 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:10:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Calling Aussie TR racers
Message-ID: <BAY115-F72005A10555BE99C295A68C310@phx.gbl>

Guys n' Gals,

Anyone know how I can contact Harry Witham of HRW Racewheel
Engineering?  I've Googled till I'm blue in the face.

He makes 17" minilites, so I'd like to check out their weight
and price.

TIA,

Shane Ingate burning bean oil in Maryland (addictive, doncha know?)

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From RYoung at NavComTech.com  Fri May 18 19:56:21 2007
From: RYoung at NavComTech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:56:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Calling Aussie TR racers
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F72005A10555BE99C295A68C310@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070519015621.FPIC10832.mta10.adelphia.net@randall>

> Anyone know how I can contact Harry Witham of HRW Racewheel 
> Engineering?

Try calling 0413131060 in Victoria.

Randall
Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows :


From dave at microworks.net  Sat May 19 13:20:32 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:20:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 on the Nurburgring
Message-ID: <20070519192215.TFXS6556.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf0XYHkfsds


From dave at microworks.net  Sat May 19 13:24:50 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Another TR4 at the 'Ring
Message-ID: <20070519192602.MOHC12190.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Another cool video of a TR4 at the 'Ring.  Lots of old Brit stuff on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfKsYXv7SYs


From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 06:13:41 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 05:13:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Rod Bearing issue
In-Reply-To: <789588.15837.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <426378.89737.qm@web90302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone had an issue with new rod bearings being oversized? I had a crank reground, admittedly it is at the top of the range but it is still within spec - 2.055" (30 under for a stock 83mm motor). When I plastigage the bearings they come in well under .001 clearance. Got the bearings from Brit parts NW.
   
  Anyone ever take material off the back? All my years of building engines, this is the first time I have ever seen something like this...
   
  Mark


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From henry at henryfrye.com  Mon May 21 10:00:38 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
Message-ID: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the lower A-arms to the
frame for a TR4a-6?

TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock since last
September.

Many thanks.

Henry Frye


From ejmajor250 at comcast.net  Mon May 21 17:09:37 2007
From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
References: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <002101c79bfd$1abec6d0$6401a8c0@LoriMajor>

Henry, Try Team Triumph in Warren Ohio.

Scott Harper is the guy, he has a lot of very good used parts at a 
reasonable price.

http://www.teamtriumph.com/

Ed Major
'58 TR3A, '68 TR250


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:00 PM
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed


> Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the lower A-arms to 
> the
> frame for a TR4a-6?
>
> TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock since last
> September.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Henry Frye
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon May 21 18:57:04 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:57:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up
Message-ID: <007c01c79c0c$1d669070$43ce0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

Now that the Hoosier Speedster has been out for a year and track tested by a
good number of us, I wonder if anyone has arrived a tire pressure settings
that provide consistent performance.  I've tried a variety of pressures from
low to high(22 psi to 28 psi cold) and in all cases, experience increasing
understeer as they heat up during a session.  What have you'all found?

Gary
1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"


From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon May 21 19:20:12 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:20:12 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up
Message-ID: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:57:26 PM Central Daylight Time, 
vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:

Gary
1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"

Gary...
 
It takes a lot of guts to have a nickname like "The Flying Brick."  Having 
spent forty years in the masonry business, it would be perfect for me...but 
people would always mispronounce it.
 
Bill (Damdinger)



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From billb at bnj.com  Mon May 21 19:59:51 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
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References: <bbb.13878bcb.33839f4c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <43749626-E63D-4B6E-84D1-617483479E97@bnj.com>

As to the question, I've never found a tire that didn't have  
increasing amounts of understeer as they heat up, but an extreme  
amount is a good indication that your tire pressure is too high. Once  
again I'll tell you the only way to get a good tire pressure is a  
skid pad and a pyrometer, but I'm running 17 cold on Peyote which is  
1550 pounds. I pushed it up a little to 18.5 last weekend at Road  
America because I thought I might get more speed in the straights,  
and there's lots of straights at RA. I did indeed see higher temps in  
the middle and a little more understeer. I outfoxed myself and stuck  
my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave  
Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of  
the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the  
track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top  
speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.

I feel a little stupid.

Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch  
2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti  
in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new  
favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches  
and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left  
the track.

I'll do a writeup on the blog as soon as I have time. I need to get  
to VIR ASAP. Peyote has a vibration at high speed that I don't like  
(perhaps a driveshaft headed south) and a tire carcass got kicked  
into my trailer at high speed today and it screwed up my waste water  
drain lines. Got some wrenching to do before I catch a plane on  
Thursday.

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> In a message dated 5/21/2007 7:57:26 PM Central Daylight Time,
> vintage.racer at comcast.net writes:
>
> Gary
> 1962 TR4 "The Flying Brick"
>
> Gary...
>
> It takes a lot of guts to have a nickname like "The Flying Brick."   
> Having
> spent forty years in the masonry business, it would be perfect for  
> me...but
> people would always mispronounce it.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 06:02:56 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:02:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E4@server.Triumph.local>

I would be remiss if I did not publicly thank Bob Lang, his New England
Triumphs friend Ned Sparrow, and Ernie Hussman for all their help at
MOTRAH. I had a particularly busy weekend, with a R&R on gearbox and a
head gasket.

No way I would have gotten through it all without those guys, many
thanks. I owe you guys...


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 06:08:35 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:08:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>

I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
the stock ones.

Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.

I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 22 07:29:25 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:29:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] In-car video from Road America
Message-ID: <20070522132754.AEC21187A02@autox.team.net>

I pulled the video from my camcorder and posted it a couple of 
places.  It's a bit under 22 min.  I'm going to try to edit it down 
to under 10 min for you tube eventually.

My website has the wmv file.  I also uploaded it to google video.

http://www.tonydrews.com/Videos/TonyDrewsRA05202007full.wmv
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7361466699989864483

My winter engine rebuild seemed to be particularly successful - tuned 
that baby on the dyno and ended up with more power than I've ever 
had.  In this race, I have an excellent dice with Dr. Dreadful (Rick 
Gurolnick) in a very well prepared Porsche 356.  He passes me on the 
straight early in the race, and I draft him for most of the 
race.  I'm not sure if you can tell in the video, but he was on 3 
wheels in most of the corners as I'm chasing him.

- Tony


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 22 10:08:43 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:08:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
Message-ID: <c49.10beadd2.33846f8b@cs.com>

Bill Babcock !!!!

You got all of the marbles as far as I am concerned. The Bill Ames Memorial 
Plaque is now in your possession.  As the owner of the Peyote, and the builder 
of an AMBRO, this is surely fitting.  

The Seiko Chronograph watch is truly a nice piece that was sponsored by 
Alexander Racing Enterprises (cough/cough) and stacks up with any Rolex that you 
may have, of course.  

Unhappily, Kas was to present this award to you, making a bit more special, 
but the program got away from my control by a Morgan Man...wont happen again.

I watched you haunt and hassle Jahimiak at one session. Jahimiak is a great 
competitor and it would have given all of us great joy in the midwest to have 
you prevail. (That's OK. I hear you got a piece of him in the Tech Inspection 
Line, when you chipped his paint with the Peyote)

Best regards,

Joe Alexander

> I outfoxed myself and stuck  
> my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave  
> Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of  
> the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the  
> track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top  
> speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.
> 
> I feel a little stupid.
> 
> Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch  
> 2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti  
> in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new  
> favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches  
> and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left  
> the track.
> 
> 

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 10:27:36 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:27:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Front suspension question
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E6@server.Triumph.local>

Is the shock tower on a TR4 the same as a TR3?

During the Pursuit Race at MORTAH, the track conditions were between
damp and wet. Coming into Canada Corner I braked but the wheels didn't
really have any grip, so I went hard across the rumble strip into the
gravel trap.

The good news is I grabbed first gear, hooked the car around and drove
out of the gravel, and proceeded to win the race. Even held off a Morgan
+8 in a classic drag up the hill to the checker!

The bad news is I wounded the car. I thought I knocked the front end out
a bit, but it turns out I ripped the front suspension out of the car.
Twisted the shock tower, buckled the brace. No wonder the car wouldn't
turn right...

Had the car down to my fabricator this morning, he wasn't too upset with
what he saw. The plan is to convert the left side to the 4A-6 style
lower a-arm to frame attachment, hence yesterday's post for the
brackets. But he wants to chop off my twisted turret (shock tower) and
replace it with a straight one. I have one from a TR3, but I don't have
a TR4 frame sitting around to compare it to.

Thanks.


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue May 22 10:37:11 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
In-Reply-To: <000d01c79bc1$31e07329$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E7@server.Triumph.local>

Thanks to everybody who responded to my plea for help.

Silly me, I opened the Moss catalog, they stock them in Jersey, I'll
have them tomorrow!

Part 855-405, retails at $24.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry Frye
> Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
>
> Any chance somebody has a set of brackets that attach the
> lower A-arms to the frame for a TR4a-6?
>
> TRF usually is the source but they have been out of stock
> since last September.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 22 10:37:38 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:37:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>

FOT,

On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing. 
We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and 
everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files & 
Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that is. 

Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and 
went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little more 
tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.  

Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines. 
We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe 
invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so well.

Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend. 
Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time with his 
road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko 
Chronograph)

Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo, 
rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.

More later,

enuff for the moment.  what's your story?

Joe  



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From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 22 10:49:53 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:49:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E4@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <521672.48197.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com> wrote:    I and Ernie Hussman 
  
 I owe you guys...
     
  Henry, 
    if I remember right ... I think Ernie said he drinks blatz or black label or something like that ....   did I get that right Ernie????
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:49:48 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:49:48 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 1 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174749.EB367187ABF@autox.team.net>

Hi Everybody,

We have just arrived home in the UK after what can only be described as one
of the most wonderful racing experiences that I have had in the last 20
years.

Some of you may know that I purchased my TR4 from Larry Rossi in November
2005 and ran it for the first time at Road America in May 2006 with mixed
success (actually more failure than success as we broke 2 heads, the
transmission and, ultimately, put a rod through the block!!!). We went away
from RA last year vowing to return and do a bit better next time :-)

Over the last year Jon Wood of Classic Racecraft in the UK built a new
engine and transmission for the TR4 whilst Jack Drews just about rebuilt
everything else from rear axle through to new cooling and exhaust systems.
As usual, despite ordering my new crank 2 days after returning to the UK
last May, it eventually arrived late February (so what happened to the
promise of a 6-10 week lead time; maybe Farndon meant months!!!!). Jon
worked his usual magic and turned everything round so that the engine and
transmission were ready for shipping by the end of March; unfortunately this
meant that I had to air freight them both which at 330kgs was a bit of a
shock to the wallet - for those with an interest in these things it cost USD
$1300. 

Joe Alexander and Jack had a trip to Chicago to pick up the crate and
despite the usual song and dance routine with Customs eventually got
everything back to Geneseo for Jack to install everything and have the TR4
running after 2 days; what an amazing guy is our Jack.   

Btw the crate is a work of art and was a one-off build by a UK company
designed to protect all the components and to meet the very strict US
regulations, Joe has this stashed away in one of his storage units and I am
sure it will come in use again some time in the future. 

End of part 1


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:50:54 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:50:54 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 2 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174855.6DA44187ABF@autox.team.net>

Part 2

Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to
visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup,
Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst
Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see
it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!!
Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the
rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-)  

We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his,
Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We
got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that
model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12
Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 

The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe
and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just
left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was,
sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening.

Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his
trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst
his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was
getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30
and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues,
deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was
unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after
Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick
Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to
burst.

OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10
but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the
suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very
rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for
allowing us time to address the brake light issue).

Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing
oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul
so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr
Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch
travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in
and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in
the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared
into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided
and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage
for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so
thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and
2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump
gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the
32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all
back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 

We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series
Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car,
sorry Mike. 

End of part 2 


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:51:35 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
Message-ID: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>

Part 3
 
Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided
to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was
returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race. 

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,
managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)    
 
I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.  


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue May 22 12:01:23 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
Message-ID: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>

Amici...

I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.

Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the same TR 
powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past week 
end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other claim to 
fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat looks forward to 
exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook (and 
Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still running 83mm 
pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.

Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu

I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I know when 
I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were calling 
him Doctor Starr.  

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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue May 22 12:06:48 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:06:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
References: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00af01c79c9b$f8072430$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

I will second Bill's nomination, but only if Pat agrees to make me work really
hard to beat him, like I had to do this past Sunday!!

Great guy, great racer, and a great addition to FOT.  Welcome Pat!!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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  Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR


  Amici...

  I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.

  Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the same TR
  powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past
week
  end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other claim to
  fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat looks
forward to
  exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook
(and
  Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still running 83mm
  pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.

  Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu

  I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I know when
  I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were
calling
  him Doctor Starr.

  Bill Dentinger



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From triosan at gmail.com  Tue May 22 12:26:03 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:26:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>

In early May there was a test and tune day herre in Seattle at PAcific
Raceways for SOVERN, our local vintage group.  I was privelaged to see Tony
Garmey unload John James' newly recreated TR4 roll off the trailer.  What a
beautiful job he did on the prep of this car.  Did any of you look in the
trunk and see how the fuel cell was held down?  Wow, should a roll over
occur it sure would not come loose.

Glad to hear he ran well.  How did Bill Hart do, what did he bring?  Did
Tony drive also?

On 5/22/07, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
>
> FOT,
>
> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander
> Racing.
> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and
> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows,
> Files &
> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd,
> that is.
>
> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and
> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little
> more
> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.
>
> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the
> sidelines.
> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe
> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing
> so well.
>
> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest
> time with his
> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko
> Chronograph)
>
> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo,
> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
>
> More later,
>
> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>    </HTML>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Tue May 22 15:33:49 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:33:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Parts needed
Message-ID: <976818.60061.qm@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers: Here I go again...begging for more parts. On a TR4 there are three pieces of brushed aluminum trim that surround the rear of the cockpit. Does anyone on the list have the drivers side (left side) piece? I have a customer car missing only this piece. Moss is showing them as NLA. I believe at some point they went from chrome to polished aluminum, and it is the aluminum one I'm searching for. Thank you in advance - Ed


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 22 15:50:54 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Fot] More MOTRAH autox
Message-ID: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>

Not only did Tony place second in the prepared class but Jason Sukey took 
1st in the modified class, Bob Lang took 1st in the prepared class and then 
Bob Lang proceeded to pull out a big old can of whup ass and took Fastest 
Time Of  The Day. A good day for the Triumph group.

Marty

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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue May 22 15:51:36 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (kaskas at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:51:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <27051297.1179870696050.JavaMail.root@fed1wml10.mgt.cox.net>

Sitting in Parachute Colorado after a second day 700 mile jaunt, I agree that Tony did an absoul;tly sterling performance.  Jack?  Now there is a tough guy.  Tough to do the work and tough to beat.  Most folks would have gone home and turned onthe TV.  Not Jack.  Great stuff. Some worrysome things happend in the rain event and sorry for those folks to damage such nice cars.
---- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 
> FOT,
> 
> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing. 
> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and 
> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files & 
> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that is. 
> 
> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and 
> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little more 
> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.  
> 
> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines. 
> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe 
> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so well.
> 
> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend. 
> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time with his 
> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE Seiko 
> Chronograph)
> 
> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo, 
> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
> 
> More later,
> 
> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
> 
> Joe  
> 
> 
> 
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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue May 22 16:43:58 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:43:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] More MOTRAH autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-F26705B30F4D187095E992FBA360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E1Hqd4q-0004f8-00@pop-borzoi.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 05:50 PM 5/22/2007, marty sukey wrote:
>Not only did Tony place second in the prepared class but Jason Sukey took
>1st in the modified class, Bob Lang took 1st in the prepared class and then
>Bob Lang proceeded to pull out a big old can of whup ass and took Fastest
>Time Of  The Day. A good day for the Triumph group.

Congratulations to the Bobstah!


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue May 22 17:02:23 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:02:23 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller 6/29-30 - 7/1, 2007
Message-ID: <20070522.170224.-341485.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Greetings Amici,
Just a reminder of the Nostalgia Racing event at Miller Motorsports Park
in Tooele, Utah. 
June 29 - 30, July 1, 2007 
With enough Triumph participation we get our own group.
Small Bore cars will run the East Course, Big Bore on the perimeter
course.  Formula cars?
For more information, see http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ .
The Nostalgia Racing folks put on great events. 
They produce an excellent balance of racing, parties, and fun.
The facility is amazing, as well. For details, see,
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/ .
If you are still on the fence:

Tooele, Utah, it just sounds like the middle of nowhere. In reality, it
is 30 miles from the Salt Lake City International Airport. Nestled at the
base of the west slope of the Oquirrh Mountains in eastern Tooele County.
The City of Tooele has the amenities expected in the 21st century, yet
still retains some 19th century details. Tooele County, second largest in
Utah, has a motor sports heritage that goes back into the early 20th
century with the Land Speed Record runs conducted at the Bonneville Salt
Flats.
Larry Miller, having been shot down in his efforts to expand facilities
in Mead, Colorado and rejected by Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is a
major presence, accepted the offer from Tooele County to come and look at
a piece of land they had available. Ninety plus million dollars later,
Larry had a state of the art road racing facility a few miles outside
Tooele. The multi configuration track is capable of hosting two events
simultaneously on two, 2+ mile circuits, run an event on the perimeter
track (on which motorcycles have already averaged above 100 MPH), or the
full, 4.65 mile, 23 corner Pro-Circuit. On top of that, there is a
Go-Kart track with too many configurations to count and dirt hills on
each end for off road activities. Motorcycles can play on the Kart
facilities as well. 
The facility is ready to go to host a United States Grand Prix (with a
few more seats). There are GP garages on pit lane fitted with everything
a prima donna GP team could want. Yes, there are TVs in there. Race
control is likewise fitted with large TV monitors capable of showing
images from cameras fitted around the track. The view from Race Control
is quite picturesque with the Oquirrh Mountains to the left, South
Mountain in front of you, the Stansbury Mountains on your right and the
track in the foreground. Id like to see the place in the Spring when the
grass is green. 
DO NOT miss your next opportunity to visit this incredible facility with
the same sort of amenities we enjoyed at PPIR, just kicked way, WAY up,
and a REAL road course! You will be glad you came.
See you there,
Bill


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May 22 17:36:43 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:36:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller 6/29-30 - 7/1, 2007
Message-ID: <cda.f435314.3384d88b@aol.com>

Thanx for the reminder Bill!  It's gonna be an awesome opportunity to run one 
of the next generations premier tracks.  I sent my entry in yesterday and 
expect to be there Thursday morning before the event.  Steve



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From jfrymark at aol.com  Tue May 22 21:21:21 2007
From: jfrymark at aol.com (John Frymark)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:21:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] In car video
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>

That's great in-car video, Tony! That's why we love to hate those  
Porsche guys.

You inspired me to finally tackle the challenge of getting some video  
up on a web site for viewing outside of my living room. Here's the TR  
Sprite challenge race from the British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow,  
CA earlier in May. That's Gerald Allen in the Sprite ( he was at RA,  
too), Chuck Gee in blue Spit, Joe Siam in red Spit, and Jerry Barker  
in the Herald. Enjoy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=573568324573407692

John Frymark


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 21:30:39 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to my crew
In-Reply-To: <521672.48197.qm@web81107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <522335.72833.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Tom:
   
  Don't even go there, these guys kept me way after my bedtime on Thursday night.  Besides it's Red, White and Blue.

tom strange <tstrange at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  Henry Frye wrote: I and Ernie Hussman 

I owe you guys...

Henry, 
if I remember right ... I think Ernie said he drinks blatz or black label or something like that .... did I get that right Ernie????
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From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Tue May 22 22:40:15 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:40:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] spitfire right side rear chrome "v" trim piece needed
Message-ID: <f6a2c639382c3.46538d6f@insightbb.com>

All,

Looking for a right side chrome "v" trim piece.  The bit that is at the rear of the car, vertical, but shaped like "v".  Would like one in good shape, doesn't need to be excellent.

I had a great one...it's probably on the inside of Gateway Internation somewhere by turn 7 where the SRF hit me.

aaron


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed May 23 07:35:54 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:35:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Initial Report  Custom Chevy Con-Rod Transplant
Message-ID: <ca5.f16875b.33859d3a@cs.com>

List.

We have not dropped the pan yet, for inspection of bearings, but the Uncle 
Jack Chevy Con-Rod Transplant seemed to work very well in our TR4

Developed by Uncle Jack and Christian Marx, it appears to be a great 
alternative to the expensive Carillos. Christian has over 1500 miles of track and 
street driving on his variation of this transplant. I have nearly 200 miles of 
full throttle racing at Road America, last weekend.

It requires spacers for the pin end to centralize the rod on the journal. The 
crankshaft needs to be reground to a Chevy Spec.

It uses Clevite 77 bearings at an effective cost per four cylinder set of 
about $12.50 per set.

With the narrower con-rod, it requires a slight boost in oil pressure of 
about 10 lbs.

It is not known if Uncle Jack is going to proceed with packaging these 
con-rods for sale. One of the wrinkles is that spacers may vary in length according 
to brands of pistons.

I am pleased at this point, and will report the condition of the bearings 
when we drop the pan to inspect.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed May 23 10:25:46 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:25:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 - 4 manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <200705231626.l4NGPwO8264474@ns3.geneseo.net>

I had a sample run of manifold gaskets made to try out. They are now 
on several cars and working superbly.

They solve the problem of leaky manifolds due to untrue manifold 
surfaces and bent / warped / out of alignment exhaust header flanges.

The gaskets are made from compacted graphite, 1/8" thick. They 
compress to half their thickness, so manifolds can be quite bad and 
still seal. They are made by a commercial supplier to speed shops, 
etc to my print. Intake holes are the right size, instead of what we 
get now, and bottom edges are trimmed to eliminate possible 
interference with the top of the block.

As you would expect, they are not cheap, but they solve a problem. 
The price will be $60 for the pair required for one engine. They may 
be reusable but may not. I have mine on for the second time and so 
far, so good, but it will depend on whether or not some of this 
material sticks to the sealing surfaces.

I am going to have a second run made. Anybody interested in being 
included? -- I know that this will appeal to a very small segment of 
the TR market, so I'm asking for a commitment on this one.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:15:48 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:15:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 1
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231701380.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

Still getting re-settled to the work thing. Yuck. But it pays the bills!

My MOTRAH-007 experience was interesting to say the least. Starting in
FEB., it was fairly evident that getting the car and driver "ready" for
MOTRAH would be a real challenge. The initial thrust was to get Khartu
into "vintage trim" and the driver a shiney new competition license.

But first off - special thanks to Henry Frye (for getting us crew passes),
Dean Tetterton (for providing the passes), Marty and Jason Sukey (for
providing an awesome TR6 to drive) and to the rest of the FOT for all the
fun. WOW.

Blow #1 was the rotten windows and siding on the house. That pretty much
used up available funds for driver school, so the comp. license was out of
the question before March. Darn.

Plan two was to get the red car ready for the drive. I mean it's a TRIUMPH
event, you gotta show up in a Triumph, right? Things seemed to be in good
shape and with the assistance of able-mechanic Ned Sparrow the car was
deemed ready. I even had spares ready for the tranny and diff in case
something happened in the interim. Early April and I'm ready.

Well, not quite. Turns out that the oil filter spin-on housing was not
sealing against the block properly and unfiltered oil was circulating. The
motor isn't toast, but an in-place bearing check/change may be in order. I
didn't have time to build another motor to drop in. Bottom line - red car
was out too.

Oh well. Plan three was the daily driver. But it goes naught to 60 in a
tad over 6 seconds, so it should be a fun haul. Plus it gets 30+ mpg on
the motorway. Owing to the blow to plan 1, camping was in order, so we
dusted off the tents and bags and stuff and headed to RA early on Tuesday
with a goal of arriving at RA in time to help early arrivals some
assistance for the open practice. The trip out went without incident
although fuel prices were quite high in the mid-west. We didn't see $4
premium, but we did see $3.99.9 - so it was close. Seeing that the
"driver" has a smart computer, we opted for mid-grade fuel. It really does
make a difference in the performance.

To be continued...

rml
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:29:48 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 2
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231716190.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Once we established camp in the paddock, Ned (Sparrow) and I headed out to
see Road America. I've been there a few times, but this was Ned's first
trip to the place. RA is BIG. Compared to local tracks (Lime Rock and
NHIS), it's really big.

Back at the paddock, we helped Henry change tires to stickers and
installed new brake pads so he could bed them during the next practice. We
put a tag on the dash to remind Henry.

Henry thanked us later for the tag. Turns out that as he blasted out of
the paddock for the practice, he had NO PEDAL (no surprise there!) but the
reminder tag helped him realize what was going on before he bailed.

Pretty soon after we got our crew passes and camping thing taken care of,
we headed to turn 5 to watch the Group 1,3  practice. After only a few
laps, Henry wasn't circulating and more so we headed back to the paddock
to see what we could do.

The oil breather was white-foam. Argh - head gasket! Henry tried a
re-torque. On a subsequent session that fix proved inadequate and Henry
had to replace the head gasket. But we cleaned up as best we could and got
the car ready for the FRI am practice (brake change only - the scubs
stayed on).

Oh - the tranny was popping out of gear. Ernie H., Ned and Henry took
care of that with a spare. The motor was still pushing water, so Henry
took the head off in prep. for a new head gasket.

Somewhere in there, we haded out for track tours in the Saturn. Yee ha!
The FRI tours are fun 'cause there's quite a few less cars circulating. We
got at least 12 laps. Managed 80 through the kink at one point. Kewl.

FRI night was the MOTRAH cookout - lots of fun Ned and I walked the
Motorplex track - the site of the SAT autocross. Hmmm, there were a few
straights that were more then 150 feet. Should be some good speed in
sections. Kewl.

Continues...

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 15:54:42 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:54:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 3
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231729510.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

SAT AM - We made sure that Henry and Dean were in good shape for the day,
and I headed over to the autocross. Things were a tad disorganized, but we
managed to get cars running by 10. The guy that organized things had been
out running the course on FRI and was pretty sure the fast times would be
about 1 min. Prophetic, as it turns out.

The first group was stock cars. There were some pretty cars running
including a Plus Four Plus and some Bugeyes. The Plus 8's looked to be the
real threat in the event and two guys got in the 1:05 range. One guy in a
Plus 8 had two really gnarly spins and came really close to "tripping" the
car in a spin across the curbing. Yikes!

The third run group had the "fast" cars, Modified and Prepared. Marty /
Jason Sukey had thier awesome TR6 and Craig Anderson had a really kool
100-4 on slicks. Craig was wearing an SCCA Solo '95 Topeka T, so he's
"been around". Tony "I'm running everything this weekend" Drews has his 
TR4 there too. The drill was that we'd get two practice runs to find the
course and then run three timed runs.

First runs out were uneventful and Lang turned a 1:01 on the second
practice lap. Timed events went really well and after the first timed
runs, It looked like either Tony of Craig would get Top Time of the Day.

On the second runs, Marty got "lost" at the top of the hill, Jason had a
wild spin with BIG SMOKE from the tires. It was 5.9 on a 6 scale. Lang
lost it on the second sweeper and the flag / worker started running when
the driver pegged the throttle so as not to stall in the spin. The run
sucked, but even with a spin (and full stop), it was a 1.08. Damn!

Tony was sitting at FTD with a 1:01 and change, I think about .8 or so.

I'm not sure what happened next, as the Sukey-mobile was dripping a tad
from the oil breather. and we were busy looking at that and getting
drivers in / out of the car for runs.

At any rate, last to run was Lang. I think Craig turned a slightly faster
1:00 maybe a .8. Tony was right there too. So a 59 was the mark. According
to observers, the run looked slow, but the timing folks read out the time
to Lang: 59.8. FTD. WOW. Exciting stuff.

The rest of the day was spent taking pix, making the autocross awards
(the FTD trophy was not done yet, but I got a botle of wine and a nifty 
medallion). The MOTRAH qualifier was WET. There was some attrition -
Dennis Delap had an off at 7. The car was in rough shape. But Dennis was
okay. The Aero 8's were cleary "ringers" - next time we gotta get Sam
Halkias in his E Prod TR6 or Bill Warner in the TR6 or TR8 or Vern in the
Slagle cars out there. Bill Babcock was looking good in Peyote, but so was
Alan Washatko in the TR6. Alan had an off at 14 bent some steel and the
steering rack - but he was back in the AM for the feature.

Last event of the day was a persuit race - owing to the rain, a lot of
cars didn't take the green. But Henry, Randy Williams a Plus 4 and Kermit
in a Morgan trike did. Henry managed to take the lead with about 2 laps to
go, but had an off at Canada slipping back to third. He managed to catch
and pass the Randy and the Morgan and pulled the Mog neck and neck to the
checker. WOW.

(continues)

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed May 23 16:03:17 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:03:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH RESULTS
Message-ID: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>

We missed getting a results sheet for the last Group 3 sprint race. 
It's not up on the SVRA website yet, so would someone who got it 
please send me a scan?

Thanks

uncle jack 



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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed May 23 16:03:14 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH - Another View Part 4
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10705231754450.3405-100000@isis.mit.edu>

(this is it - really!)

Henry pulled into the paddock with a big grin and a nifty medallion for
his effort. Unfortunately, according to Henry - "the car won't turn
right". Ummm ya, the obvious toe out meant something got bent in the off.
Something turned out to be that the lower control arm mounting bracket was
ripped from the frame and the shock tower was bent back a tad. First
anaylisis was that we could weld it up for the MOTRAH feature, but on
further exam, it was pretty clear that the trailer was the next stop.

Oh well. Off to the SVRA banquet. Then back to camp and the cold.

SUN was fairly uneventful. A lot of folks pulled camp because it was cold
and grey. But as the day progressed, it got warmer and sunnier. I managed
to shoot another pile of pix (about 600 total) from various locations
including 5, 7 and 8 (I got some from 14 on FRI AM) plus some candids.
I'll try to put together a CD at some point, if you're interested, drop me
a line.

All in all, it was a great weekend. Thanks to EVERYONE. I love these FOT
gatherings. Lots of FUN. Maybe I'll even have a TRIUMPH at the next one.

And Marty -  I owe you for the ride. Your car is awesome. 

rml
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:35:23 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:35:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8E5@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <BB8C6255-582E-474B-A06A-29DA2DFFFDC5@bnj.com>

Actually I never use full torque with steel or copper gaskets, but I  
would if I used composite. I got to 75 with steel and see how it  
goes--looking for mayo in the top end. If I get some I go up until it  
quits. I don't run the engine hard until I'm satisfied with the gasket.
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On May 22, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Henry Frye wrote:

> I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
> that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
> on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
> the stock ones.
>
> Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
> everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.
>
> I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
> done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:42:14 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:42:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR
In-Reply-To: <bbc.173e89a8.338489f3@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <B496B968-AB00-4526-B2AD-978568349408@bnj.com>

Well I'll certainly second that nomination
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On May 22, 2007, at 11:01 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> Amici...
>
> I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT.
>
> Many Midwestern racers will know him well.  He has been racing the  
> same TR
> powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s.  He was up at ROAD AMERICA this  
> past week
> end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others).  Pat's other  
> claim to
> fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years.  Pat  
> looks forward to
> exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff  
> Snook (and
> Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help.  He is still  
> running 83mm
> pistons and has made no other upgrades.  He is looking for ideas.
>
> Pat's email address is:  starr001 at umn.edu
>
> I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota.  I  
> know when
> I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people  
> were calling
> him Doctor Starr.
>
> Bill Dentinger
>
>
>
> **************************************
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From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 23 17:44:40 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:44:40 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8cbd782d0705221126s643004ffmbe7b34861bc9eb28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92B34378-5A9D-4083-92F3-9A142D5CF600@bnj.com>

Bill drove the Devin--he did well, but the car broke on Saturday-- 
transmixer gave up the ghost. Probably very expensively by the looks  
of the metal in the oil--it's a dog box. Ouch.

Tony didn't drive. I should have had him take Peyote out, but I was  
having too much fun.

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On May 22, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote:

> In early May there was a test and tune day herre in Seattle at PAcific
> Raceways for SOVERN, our local vintage group.  I was privelaged to  
> see Tony
> Garmey unload John James' newly recreated TR4 roll off the  
> trailer.  What a
> beautiful job he did on the prep of this car.  Did any of you look  
> in the
> trunk and see how the fuel cell was held down?  Wow, should a roll  
> over
> occur it sure would not come loose.
>
> Glad to hear he ran well.  How did Bill Hart do, what did he  
> bring?  Did
> Tony drive also?
>
> On 5/22/07, N197TR4 at cs.com <N197TR4 at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>> FOT,
>>
>> On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander
>> Racing.
>> We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count,  
>> and
>> everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows,
>> Files &
>> Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until  
>> June 2nd,
>> that is.
>>
>> Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197  
>> TR4 and
>> went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with  
>> a little
>> more
>> tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.
>>
>> Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the
>> sidelines.
>> We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack  
>> & Joe
>> invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he  
>> is doing
>> so well.
>>
>> Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
>> Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd  
>> fastest
>> time with his
>> road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE  
>> Seiko
>> Chronograph)
>>
>> Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to  
>> Geneseo,
>> rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.
>>
>> More later,
>>
>> enuff for the moment.  what's your story?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>    </HTML>
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>
>
> -- 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 23 19:30:17 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 20:30:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH RESULTS
In-Reply-To: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705232203.l4NM3SeG304476@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070524012834.0C88D1879C0@autox.team.net>

While folks are at it, a copy of the 3cp, 4, 5 race results would be 
welcome too.

- Tony

At 05:03 PM 5/23/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>We missed getting a results sheet for the last Group 3 sprint race.
>It's not up on the SVRA website yet, so would someone who got it
>please send me a scan?
>
>Thanks
>
>uncle jack


From spitlist at cox.net  Wed May 23 19:45:09 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:45:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick
Message-ID: <000e01c79da5$2996c5a0$16fea8c0@newcomputer>

Folks,

A few weeks ago I posted information about a gentleman in New Zealand named
Roger Herrick who owns an old formula car that formerly was owned by Chris
Amons and was driven by Bruce McLaren.  It has a Triumph Herald rear
suspension and now sports one of my camber compensators.  Roger says he
recently competed in a hill climb and the rear suspension is now quite
predictable and performs very well.

 

At any rate, I inquired at the time if everyone thought this gentleman
should be invited to participate in FOT and several people agreed.  About
that time the list we3nt down and I think Roger got lost in the shuffle.

 

If this is still considered something we should do, I would like him
included in the list.  His email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz.

 

Regards,

Joe C.


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 24 06:05:32 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:05:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Hey all,

In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
I've got all negative ground cars.

What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?

Scott (B.)


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu May 24 06:09:32 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:09:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79da5$2996c5a0$16fea8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALMELMEGAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I'll second this one :)

kg


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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On
Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:45 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Roger Herrick

Folks,

A few weeks ago I posted information about a gentleman in New Zealand named
Roger Herrick who owns an old formula car that formerly was owned by Chris
Amons and was driven by Bruce McLaren.  It has a Triumph Herald rear
suspension and now sports one of my camber compensators.  Roger says he
recently competed in a hill climb and the rear suspension is now quite
predictable and performs very well.



At any rate, I inquired at the time if everyone thought this gentleman
should be invited to participate in FOT and several people agreed.  About
that time the list we3nt down and I think Roger got lost in the shuffle.



If this is still considered something we should do, I would like him
included in the list.  His email address is: rherrick at ihug.co.nz.



Regards,

Joe C.
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From cartravel at pobox.com  Thu May 24 07:35:43 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:35:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 lifter diameter
Message-ID: <465594AF.1080406@pobox.com>

Can someone tell me the diameter of a TR6 valve lifter?


From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu May 24 08:44:11 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:44:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>

>Hey all,
>
>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>I've got all negative ground cars.
>
>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>
>Scott (B.)

What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do with 
the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's 
electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses as it 
fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from airplane 
mags!

John


From jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi  Thu May 24 08:45:58 2007
From: jari.tabell at pp.inet.fi (Jari Tabell)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:45:58 +0300
Subject: [Fot] In car video
In-Reply-To: <357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>
References: <mailman.5602.1179856071.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
	<357F3895-ED7E-4CAB-80C7-F419450A9563@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4655A526.6060603@pp.inet.fi>

Inspired by this I also decided to upload some in-car video to Google. 
Please have a look at: 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2854717108194633793

It is from the Historic GTS race in the last summer's "Velodromloppet" 
event in Sweden. Very poor start and some close contact with some 
Italian thing... Anyway, being only 1147cc the Spitfire's not so bad. 
Don't know about the driver...

Regards
Jari
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jtabell/

John Frymark wrote:
> That's great in-car video, Tony! That's why we love to hate those  
> Porsche guys.
>
> You inspired me to finally tackle the challenge of getting some video  
> up on a web site for viewing outside of my living room. Here's the TR  
> Sprite challenge race from the British Extravaganza at Buttonwillow,  
> CA earlier in May. That's Gerald Allen in the Sprite ( he was at RA,  
> too), Chuck Gee in blue Spit, Joe Siam in red Spit, and Jerry Barker  
> in the Herald. Enjoy.
>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu May 24 09:04:07 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:04:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to
do with the magneto?>>

You've got me.  I just know that this unit is stamped "Positive Ground"
and the instructions say "Do not install a standard negative ground unit
on an engine having a positive ground."

[included a copy of the instruction sheet, which has an electrical
diagram.  attachment will be stripped from mail to list]

Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto

>Hey all,
>
>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>I've got all negative ground cars.
>
>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>
>Scott (B.)

What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do
with the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the
car's electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag
reverses as it fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way
different from airplane mags!

John

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Judson Electronic Magneto Instructions.pdf]


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Thu May 24 09:19:06 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:19:06 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
References: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<4655ABA5.2010601@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <002501c79e16$ed2f7d10$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Ho Larry,

I just made them dead flat....no dome anymore.
I've measure the cam....flat too, no taper.

So the parts should work fine...

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Young" <cartravel at pobox.com>
To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tappet talk


> Chris,
> I usually see the tappet dome described as a radius and it is usually
> 50" to 100" (1.27 to 2.54 m).  If you go throught the geometry, then for
> a TR lifter of 0.935" (23.75mm) diameter, the dome for a 50" radius is:
> (0.935)**2/50/8 = 0.0022" (0.056 mm).  Did you intend to write 0.07 mm
> (0.00275")?  If so, your number of 0.00275" would correspond to a radius
> of about 40".  I agree this is probably a bit too much dome or too small
> a radius.  I think you should always have tapered lobes.  It is
> important that the taper be matched to the radius on the lifter, so the
> contact point is not at the edge of the lobe.  I usually specify a taper
> of about 0.0025 in/in.  If you go through the geometry, this taper puts
> the contact point on the lifter at a radius of (0.0025)(50) = 0.125"
> (3.18 mm) from the center for a 50" radius or twice that for a 100"
> radius.  TR cam lobes are about 0.56" (14.2 mm) wide, and are offset
> from the lifter center by about 0.05" (1.3 mm), so this taper should
> work well with a lifter radius of 50" to 100". It seems like it would be
> difficult to do this accurately on a lathe.
> Regards,
> Larry
>
> Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:
>
> >I want to bring that up again because I have some news about.
> >
> >I've installed a new cam and tappets last year and now some of the tappets
> >don't look good and one is damaged.
> >
> >I had a talk with a famous German cam manufacturer (Schrick) and they say
that
> >tappets should be very slightly domed to handle geometrical imperfections.
You
> >can run flat but it is better to have a dome less than 0.002mm
(0.000079").
> >If the cam has a taper grind then you can have a dome of 0.004mm
(0.000157")
> >
> >The tappets on the market seems to have 0.007mm (0.00275") dome which could
be
> >too much and a cause to cam failures. Depends on the cam if there is a
taper
> >grind on.
> >So I think the better idea is to grind them flat and give them a slight
dome
> >by hand on a lathe with fine sandpaper....
> >
> >Cheers
> >Chris


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu May 24 09:25:22 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:25:22 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 lifter diameter
Message-ID: <c04.17a46921.33870862@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/24/07 6:36:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
cartravel at pobox.com writes:

Can someone tell me the diameter of a TR6 valve lifter?

.800



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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu May 24 09:55:58 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:55:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <095401c79e1c$05627540$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system 
> have to do with 
> the magneto?

The Judson *ELECTRONIC* magneto is not a true magneto.  It's not connected
to a source of motive power, and hence does not generate it's own
electricity. 

Instead, it's a transistorized electronic ignition incorporated in the same
housing as a (special) ignition coil.  Still works on the Kettering
principle, just with a transistor performing the current interruption
function instead of points.  It's also triggered by the original points.

And connecting it backwards (wrong polarity) will most likely instantly
toast the main output transistor.  Back in those days, they didn't believe
in reverse polarity protection.

Some cars did use true magnetos, similar in operation to aircraft mags.  Was
even a common performance mod back in the 40's.  But the Judson is
different.

Randall 
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu May 24 10:22:07 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:22:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E0981@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <096701c79e1f$ac69fb30$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?

I've not used a Judson, but I did try a similar unit that used the stock
coil.  It's basically just a "points amplifier" with a high-output coil.
Somewhat better than the stock setup, but mostly in the area of easier
starts and better operation with "tired" plugs.  Might buy you a bit more
performance at top rpm where the points are just starting to float (but my
valves floated before the points did).

I'd sell it on eBay, and use the money to buy an optical trigger unit plus a
MSD box.

Randall 
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 14:32:11 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DADB7225-3BBF-4E55-BADD-3EF7A7D11E06@bnj.com>

You beat me to the punch John. I have no idea what a positive ground  
magneto might be since there are NO WIRES to connect to ground. Of  
course the mag uses it's case as ground, but magnetos put out AC. One  
of the symptoms of a mag that's weakening is that one set of  
cylinders runs better than the other--the ones that have the spark  
wire going negative tend to fire easier since the center electrode is  
sharper than the side electrode so a spark doesn't need as high a  
voltage to fire.

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On May 24, 2007, at 7:44 AM, John Herrera wrote:

>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>> electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>> thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and  
>> besides,
>> I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have  
> to do with
> the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's
> electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses  
> as it
> fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from  
> airplane
> mags!
>
> John
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 14:33:32 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744E09E2@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <559BDB57-BE67-4115-BB3E-9DEFF2DCEB61@bnj.com>

Ahh--I get it, it's not a real magneto. It's an electronic ignition  
system that's pretending to be a mag.
Bill Babcock
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On May 24, 2007, at 8:04 AM, Barr, Scott wrote:

>  <<What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system  
> have to
> do with the magneto?>>
>
> You've got me.  I just know that this unit is stamped "Positive  
> Ground"
> and the instructions say "Do not install a standard negative ground  
> unit
> on an engine having a positive ground."
>
> [included a copy of the instruction sheet, which has an electrical
> diagram.  attachment will be stripped from mail to list]
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Herrera [mailto:jrherrera90 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:44 AM
> To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>> electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>> thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and  
>> besides,
>> I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>> What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>> Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have  
> to do
> with the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the
> car's electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag
> reverses as it fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way
> different from airplane mags!
>
> John
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet- 
> stream which had a name of Judson Electronic Magneto Instructions.pdf]
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu May 24 15:09:44 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:09:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] ARP Head Studs
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	<BB8C6255-582E-474B-A06A-29DA2DFFFDC5@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <017a01c79e47$da967ab0$280fc548@RWKastner>

Back home in Oceanside from that little 4389 mile hike.

Never used anything but full torque on the head.  That was 105 in increments
of 10 pounds after the first 75 pound start up.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Henry Frye
  Cc: FOT
  Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] ARP Head Studs


  Actually I never use full torque with steel or copper gaskets, but I
  would if I used composite. I got to 75 with steel and see how it
  goes--looking for mayo in the top end. If I get some I go up until it
  quits. I don't run the engine hard until I'm satisfied with the gasket.
  Bill Babcock
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  On May 22, 2007, at 5:08 AM, Henry Frye wrote:

  > I got bit with a leaky head gasket at MOTRAH because I read the card
  > that comes with the ARP head studs. It says not to pull full book spec
  > on the torque because the studs are so strong they don't stretch like
  > the stock ones.
  >
  > Well, I polled the group at Road America, nobody ever read the card,
  > everybody uses the stock 105 ft lbs.
  >
  > I used moly lube, torqued to 85, and it leaked. After the damage was
  > done, I brought them up to 105, but no joy. Had to redo the gasket.
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From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Thu May 24 16:41:44 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR3doglegs
Message-ID: <613127.81704.qm@web81710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici - I am doing a TR3 restoration. Anyone have the rear quarter panels/doglegs that they would sell?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis DeLap


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu May 24 17:19:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:19:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <cb1.129ec4d6.3387779b@cs.com>

Kas & Peg,   All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

Kas,    I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP 
Presentation in 2008.  

I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone 
could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are several 
of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.  

Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and 
opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

Regards,

Joe Alexander



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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu May 24 18:43:04 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:43:04 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
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	<005601c790f8$98651900$43ce0518@GHOffice>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>

You go Gary !!!   Pass that Sauvignon Blanc bro...  Here Jack, try some cheese
whiz...   <grin>

Kev
GT6 #6
RMVR
(S.F. native)
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  From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
  To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about to pass
  Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing state in our
  fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the stuff, that's
  25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.  However I
  doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads" with those
  great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football games.
  No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/Livermore Valley
  wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on the edge of
  your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
  where you can relive all the great California cheese commercials.  Hmmm,
  time for some Monterey Jack!

  Gary
  62 TR4

  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
<N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
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  Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????


  > In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
  > ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
  >
  > Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll throw
  > in
  > some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
  >
  >
  > I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those adds.
  > Is
  > there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
Vermont
  > cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california cheese" ??
  > No  Way!
  >
  > Jack Woehrle
  >
  >
  >
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From jcjcarrera at comcast.net  Wed May 23 15:48:11 2007
From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:48:11 +0000
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH
Message-ID: <052320072148.6789.4654B69B0007257600001A8522092299270E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net>

MOTRAH was the best overall vintage event I have attended in the four years I've been racing! GREAT track, super organization, very friendly folks, and best of all, lots of TR'S and other British makes. Also, met many of the legends in our trade, like Kas and had a chance to see the many well engineered Triumphs out there like Uncle Jack's #59 and Jeff Snook's wesome TR3. Nothing against all the 356's that we TR folks seem to get grouped with in SOVREN, but it was nice to have more than two or three TR4's in DP.

My thanks to Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander for introducing me to FoT and racing TR's with my first TR4, #24, which unfortunately met it's demise last year at Infineon primarily due to driver malfunction.
I thank Chuck Arnold for his nice comments on my current ride, #116, and the super job Tony Garmey of Horizon Racing did over this past winter transforming a TR4 with history back to Boise ID in the late 60's to a great handling vintage racer with great safety features and very professional engineering. 

I had not raced at Road America before and the initial test and tune last Thursday was a bit overwhelming with four miles of track, but I'm pleased to say I did break three minutes with a 2:59.2 + in the MOTRAH feature and had a blast dicing with Sean Alexander the entire race. If we have a MOTRAH event next year, I would plan on attending again with Tony and Bill Hart (Devin TR3) and Tony's father in law, Gene Olson. Thanks Joe Alexander for representing TR's so well at this event and all the other things you do for us.

It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 147 HP at the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've got a good supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??

John James. #116

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> Part 2 
> 
> Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to 
> visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup, 
> Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst 
> Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see 
> it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!! 
> Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the 
> rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-) 
> 
> We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his, 
> Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We 
> got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that 
> model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12 
> Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 
> 
> The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe 
> and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just 
> left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was, 
> sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening. 
> 
> Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his 
> trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst 
> his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was 
> getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30 
> and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues, 
> deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was 
> unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after 
> Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick 
> Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to 
> burst. 
> 
> OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10 
> but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the 
> suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very 
> rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for 
> allowing us time to address the brake light issue). 
> 
> Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing 
> oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul 
> so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr 
> Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch 
> travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in 
> and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in 
> the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared 
> into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided 
> and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage 
> for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so 
> thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and 
> 2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump 
> gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the 
> 32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all 
> back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 
> 
> We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series 
> Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car, 
> sorry Mike. 
> 
> End of part 2 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 2 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:35 +0100 
> From: "Keith Files" 
> Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3 
> To: 
> Cc: 'Christian Marx' 
> Message-ID: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF at autox.team.net> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Part 3 
> 
> Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a 
> car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver 
> to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided 
> to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the 
> Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before 
> going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was 
> returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what 
> could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!! 
> Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside 
> of his trousers :-) 
> 
> The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what, 
> the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the 
> wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the 
> tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring 
> the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the 
> outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the 
> inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got 
> out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet 
> weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time. 
> 
> Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the 
> team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served 
> Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to 
> go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song 
> and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I 
> was really ready for the Group 3 race. 
> 
> I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1, 
> took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got 
> to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of 
> cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow 
> of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst 
> he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into 
> turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that 
> I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group 
> which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group 
> at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3, 
> Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the 
> engine went sick again. Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker 
> shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw, 
> managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile 
> on my face. 
> 
> We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure 
> of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-) 
> 
> I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would 
> like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a 
> dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon, 
> Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas 
> and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but 
> nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a 
> close eye on her :-)). 
> 
> There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I 
> would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well. 
> 
> Cheers, Keith & Denise. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
> Message: 3 
> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:01:23 EDT 
> From: BillDentin at aol.com 
> Subject: [Fot] Nomination for PAT STARR 
> To: fot at autox.team.net ('fot at autox.team.net') 
> Cc: starr001 at umn.edu 
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> 
> Amici... 
> 
> I wish to nominate PAT STARR for membership in the FOT. 
> 
> Many Midwestern racers will know him well. He has been racing the same TR 
> powered MORGAN since the mid-1960s. He was up at ROAD AMERICA this past week 
> end, having a great dice with Jeff Snook (and others). Pat's other claim to 
> fame was owning and racing Bill Babcock's PEYOTE for years. Pat looks forward 
> to 
> exchanging information with FOT members, as he wishes to beat Jeff Snook (and 
> Tony Drews for that matter), and he needs help. He is still running 83mm 
> pistons and has made no other upgrades. He is looking for ideas. 
> 
> Pat's email address is: starr001 at umn.edu 
> 
> I am not sure, but I think he owns the University of Minnesota. I know when 
> I ran the two MINNEAPOLIS GRAND PRIX street races a lot of people were calling 
> him Doctor Starr. 
> 
> Bill Dentinger 
> 
> 
> 
> ************************************** 
> See what's free at http://www.aol.com. 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------ 
> 
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> 
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 11:20:26 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:20:26 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America
In-Reply-To: <20070522132754.AEC21187A02@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070522171827.631A0187ABD@autox.team.net>

Hi Everybody,

We have just arrived home in the UK after what can only be described as one
of the most wonderful racing experiences that I have had in the last 20
years.

Some of you may know that I purchased my TR4 from Larry Rossi in November
2005 and ran it for the first time at Road America in May 2006 with mixed
success (actually more failure than success as we broke 2 heads, the
transmission and, ultimately, put a rod through the block!!!). We went away
from RA last year vowing to return and do a bit better next time :-)

Over the last year Jon Wood of Classic Racecraft in the UK built a new
engine and transmission for the TR4 whilst Jack Drews just about rebuilt
everything else from rear axle through to new cooling and exhaust systems.
As usual, despite ordering my new crank 2 days after returning to the UK
last May, it eventually arrived late February (so what happened to the
promise of a 6-10 week lead time; maybe Farndon meant months!!!!). Jon
worked his usual magic and turned everything round so that the engine and
transmission were ready for shipping by the end of March; unfortunately this
meant that I had to air freight them both which at 330kgs was a bit of a
shock to the wallet - for those with an interest in these things it cost USD
$1300. 

Joe Alexander and Jack had a trip to Chicago to pick up the crate and
despite the usual song and dance routine with Customs eventually got
everything back to Geneseo for Jack to install everything and have the TR4
running after 2 days; what an amazing guy is our Jack.   

Btw the crate is a work of art and was a one-off build by a UK company
designed to protect all the components and to meet the very strict US
regulations, Joe has this stashed away in one of his storage units and I am
sure it will come in use again some time in the future. 

Jon, Denise and I arrived in Chicago on 13th May and drove straight over to
visit Joe and Jan (the very soon to be married Alexander and Huff) in Jesup,
Iowa. We abandoned Denise in Jesup in the tender care of Jan and Joe whilst
Jon and I travelled onto Geneseo to see the TR4; what a treat it was to see
it all finished and with nothing to do other than to stick it on the dyno!!!
Again, for those with an interest in these things we made 174 bhp at the
rear wheels but I might have got the numbers confused :-)  

We had so much time on our hands that Jack took us to see a friend of his,
Dave Morgan, who restores vintage Packards, what an afternoon that was. We
got to see a vintage Cadillac V16 (yep, one of only 4 cars made in that
model year), a Pebble Beach winning Packard and got a ride in a 1937 V12
Packard AND Dave even made us a cup of Earl Grey, as I said, what a day. 

The evening before we were due to leave Geneseo for RA we were joined by Joe
and Jan (and re-united with my lovely, but nutty, wife Denise) who had just
left Kas and Peg in their house in Jesup as well as Bill Babcock who was,
sort of, just passing by. We had a great supper that evening.

Thursday and onto RA which took a while as Joe has a blow out on his
trailer, Joe was providing transportation for my car over the weekend whilst
his son Sean towed his car to RA for him. RA came into site and now I was
getting really excited as there was a free test session schedule for 16:30
and I couldn't wait to get out there. Got through registration, long queues,
deadly dull and you would think that we Brits would be used to that. Car was
unloaded and I set of to re-acquaint myself with RA but not until after
Larry Rossi had stopped by for a chat, followed by John Sprinzel, Dick
Stockton and Kas himself; talk about being in good company, I was fit to
burst.

OK, the lappery itself, pretty steady stuff and nothing better than a 3:10
but that was ok as we were still running the engine in sorting out the
suspension settings and tyre pressures. Car then went through the very
rigorous tech spec without to much trouble (thanks to Dave Kettle(?) for
allowing us time to address the brake light issue).

Friday morning came and so did the problems, the transmission was throwing
oil out everywhere in the first session and then the clutch started to foul
so that was the end of that session (3:12 being the high spot; not good). Mr
Wood to the rescue, breather pipe on the transmission was changed, clutch
travel was altered and we were ready to roll again. 2nd session, 2 laps in
and the engine went sick, turned out the front rocker post had snapped in
the head, the rocker shaft snapped and 32 little roller bearings disappeared
into the engine somewhere. Time for some deep thinking from Mr Wood aided
and abetted by Kas. Jon stripped everything out whilst I went on the forage
for parts; now this is where you really see the true spirit of the FOT so
thank you to Henry Frye for the loan of a new rocker shaft (more later) and
2 new posts (another one was bent)and to Dick Stockton for the loan of sump
gasket. Jon worked through to 8pm recovering the engine (he found 31 of the
32 roller bearings and, as Kas said, the odds are with you so put it all
back together and it will be fine so we did and it was, thanks Kas). 

We were scheduled to run the Enduro with Mike Hughes, the UK Race Series
Chairman, but all he got was to do the lunchtime tour in his son's road car,
sorry Mike. 

Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided
to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was
returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race. 

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,
managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)    
 
I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.  


From triosan at gmail.com  Tue May 22 12:21:17 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:21:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
In-Reply-To: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>
References: <20070522174936.A81E4187ABF@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0705221121u570eb844j62f19f15fbac8345@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the great posts, Keith.  My biggest take away from them is wow,
posts break.

Why?  How to avoid this?  Is it common for others.  Is it a 4 cylinder
problem, or is it in the 6's also?

Thanks,
Chuck

On 5/22/07, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Part 3
>
> Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
> car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the
> driver
> to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we
> decided
> to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on
> the
> Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
> going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car
> was
> returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage,
> what
> could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
> Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside
> of his trousers :-)
>
> The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess
> what,
> the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like
> the
> wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at
> the
> tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
> the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
> outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the
> inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
> out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
> weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.
>
> Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
> team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
> Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to
> go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on
> song
> and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
> was really ready for the Group 3 race.
>
> I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1,
> took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I
> got
> to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group
> of
> cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow
> of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him
> whilst
> he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
> turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this
> that
> I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next
> group
> which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
> at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3,
> Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas,
> the
> engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another
> rocker
> shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry.
> Btw,
> managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a
> smile
> on my face.
>
> We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but
> pressure
> of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-)
>
> I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I
> would
> like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making
> a
> dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon,
> Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
> and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
> nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a
> close eye on her :-)).
>
> There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
> would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.
>
> Cheers, Keith & Denise.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> triosan at gmail.com
> Fot mailing list
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 12:42:13 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0705221121u570eb844j62f19f15fbac8345@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070522184014.E1AC4187AEB@autox.team.net>

Hi Chuck,

 

Yep, posts break. Kas had all 3 of his cars come in during one race back in
the 60's with the rear post having broken on all of them so he tells me;
guess we just need to get some stronger ones..

 

Have never had this happen in 20 years of running a 6 cylinder race TR
though.

 

Cheers, Keith.

 

  _____  

From: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] 
Sent: 22 May 2007 19:21
To: Keith Files
Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Christian Marx
Subject: Re: [Fot] Road America - Part 3 of 3

 

Thanks for the great posts, Keith.  My biggest take away from them is wow,
posts break.

Why?  How to avoid this?  Is it common for others.  Is it a 4 cylinder
problem, or is it in the 6's also?

Thanks,
Chuck

On 5/22/07, Keith Files <keithfiles at btinternet.com> wrote:

Part 3

Saturday, a better day, the first session saw me down to 3:00 dead with a
car that was doing what it was supposed to do; now it was down to the driver
to get it set-up and get it right. As the car was running so well we decided

to let Mike do the Group 3 Qualifying race to make up for missing out on the
Enduro, he was very careful with my toy and ran a conservative 3:12 before
going missing (can you imagine what was going through my mind?). The car was

returned on the end of a tow rope but with no visible signs of damage, what
could it be this time? Believe it or not the throttle cable had snapped!!
Jon again came to the rescue; he really should wear his underpants outside 
of his trousers :-)

The final session of the day was the MOTRAH Qualifying race and, guess what,
the only time over the whole weekend that it rained. Now, we Brits like the
wet (no option really as it rains a lot over here) and despite being at the 
tail-end of the grid I decided to enjoy myself; the highlight was ignoring
the advice of Duck Waddle who said in the wet you should always take the
outside line in the carousel as there is more grip there and taking the 
inside line and slithering past 4 cars in one go - they probably just got
out of the way of the crazy Brit more than anything to do with my wet
weather driving skills. Upshot was 6th place and a 3:20 lap time.

Sunday, all ready for my 2 races after yet another late night out with the
team and Mr Snook in the Brown Bear - I was stunned that they served
Gordon's Gin in pint glasses and had the best ever pinball machine, way to 
go. The MOTRAH race was great, started near the back but the car was on song
and ran a 2:53 which was truly amazing given my previous best times now I
was really ready for the Group 3 race.

I started the Group 3 race 2nd to last and had a real blast up to turn 1, 
took 9 cars before the turn, this car has so much torque, by the time I got
to turn 5 I had overtaken another 3 cars and I was chasing the next group of
cars that included Randy Williams. At the start of the 2nd lap I got a tow 
of a Sprite on the start finish straight and managed to overtake him whilst
he was overtaking Randy and then I got passed the Toyota Celica going into
turn 1; 15 cars in just over 1 lap (I have a video clip of all of this that 
I will upload when I get some time); now the chase was on for the next group
which included Jeff Snook himself. I was getting ever closer to this group
at every turn and was confident that I would soon be joining in the TR3, 
Morgan +4 and Healey 3000 battle that I could see ahead of me but, alas, the
engine went sick again.  Guess what with this time, yep, bust another rocker
shaft post, the rear one this time and messed the rockers, sorry Henry. Btw,

managed to run a 2:51 before it all went to pot; now that really put a smile
on my face.

We will be back again next year, had hoped to be back this year but pressure
of work will prevent that; boring I know but it pays for the toys :-) 

I consider myself really lucky to have so many friends in the US and I would
like to take this opportunity to especially thank Joe Alexander for making a
dream come true, Jack Drews for building the car, Jon Wood for being Jon, 
Henry Frye for his endless parts supply and enthusiasm, the wonderful Kas
and Peg for their endless encouragement and, most of all to my lovely, but
nutty, wife Denise (btw Peg, she has taken a real shine to Kas so keep a 
close eye on her :-)).

There are many more of you who have supported me in my US ventures and I
would also like to say a big thank you to all of you as well.

Cheers, Keith & Denise.
_______________________________________________ 
http://www.team.net/donate.html
triosan at gmail.com
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From John.Reed at wilson.com  Tue May 22 12:07:16 2007
From: John.Reed at wilson.com (John.Reed at wilson.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:07:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
In-Reply-To: <c49.10beadd2.33846f8b@cs.com>
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Yes it would have been great to see  Jahmaniac get beat. 

 
Regards,
John Reed
Staff Photographer
Wilson Sporting Goods Co.
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Bill Babcock !!!!

You got all of the marbles as far as I am concerned. The Bill Ames 
Memorial 
Plaque is now in your possession.  As the owner of the Peyote, and the 
builder 
of an AMBRO, this is surely fitting. 

The Seiko Chronograph watch is truly a nice piece that was sponsored by 
Alexander Racing Enterprises (cough/cough) and stacks up with any Rolex 
that you 
may have, of course. 

Unhappily, Kas was to present this award to you, making a bit more 
special, 
but the program got away from my control by a Morgan Man...wont happen 
again.

I watched you haunt and hassle Jahimiak at one session. Jahimiak is a 
great 
competitor and it would have given all of us great joy in the midwest to 
have 
you prevail. (That's OK. I hear you got a piece of him in the Tech 
Inspection 
Line, when you chipped his paint with the Peyote)

Best regards,

Joe Alexander

> I outfoxed myself and stuck 
> my Hoosier DOT Radials on to try to beat the local hot shoe (Dave 
> Jahamiac (spelling)) but lost a little more than a second because of 
> the increased friction. Got to pay attention to the nature of the 
> track. going fast on a track with long straights is all about top 
> speed and corner exit, not maximum mid corner speed.
> 
> I feel a little stupid.
> 
> Still, I had a great time, learned the track well enough to touch 
> 2.44.something (on Speedsters), beat the frickin' Porsches and Loti 
> in group four, finished first Triumph in Motrah and won my new 
> favorite watch. THANKS JOE--I really like it. I have a few watches 
> and never wear them but I've been wearing this one ever since I left 
> the track.
> 
> 

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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Thu May 24 21:44:27 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:44:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto
References: <BAY130-F22749121320F9B2B4483DBA5340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005401c79e7e$fe95da50$6401a8c0@TER2>

The Judson unit is not a "Magneto" it is an electronic ignition unit with 
solid state components that are polarity sensitive.
                                                                             
                            Greg Solow
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From: "John Herrera" <jrherrera90 at hotmail.com>
To: <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Judson Electronic Magneto


> >Hey all,
>>
>>In the stash of Spitfire bits that I picked up recently was a Judson
>>electronic magneto (for positive ground car).  I'm curious about this
>>thing, but not so curious as to replace my coil with it - and besides,
>>I've got all negative ground cars.
>>
>>What's the story with these?  Has any of you ever used one?
>>
>>Scott (B.)
>
> What does the ground polarity of the car's electrical system have to do 
> with
> the magneto? The mag produces its own power independant of the car's
> electrical system. And anyway, the current flow from a mag reverses as it
> fires each plug in turn. Unless car mags are way different from airplane
> mags!
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 24 21:59:08 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
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	<BAY124-DAV21A3364F8416B96CEA5D6B72B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C0F35EBB-30E0-459F-B9FC-F5A2075B9D94@bnj.com>

Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook  
cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a  
substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no  
comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill  
Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for  
me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards  
away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.

I never saw it again.

Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.

Bill Babcock
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On May 24, 2007, at 5:43 PM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote:

> You go Gary !!!   Pass that Sauvignon Blanc bro...  Here Jack, try  
> some cheese
> whiz...   <grin>
>
> Kev
> GT6 #6
> RMVR
> (S.F. native)
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Gary<mailto:vintage.racer at comcast.net>
>   To: JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com> ;
> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> ;
> N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com> ;
> fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Cc: tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>
>   Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:39 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>   California Cheese?  Now, now...did you know California is about  
> to pass
>   Wisconson (heaven forbide) as the number one cheese producing  
> state in our
>   fair union?  In 2006 they produced 2.2 BILLION pounds of the  
> stuff, that's
>   25% of all the cheese made in the U.S...yup those are the facts.   
> However I
>   doubt Californians will take over the nickname of "Cheeseheads"  
> with those
>   great, yellow, wedge-shaped head coverings seen a U of W football  
> games.
>   No, they'll just sit back with their glass of Napa/Sonoma/ 
> Livermore Valley
>   wine, have a sip and nibble on some cheese.  Now that you're on  
> the edge of
>   your chair, for more cheese related facts visit
> www.realcaliforniacheese.com<http://www.realcaliforniacheese.com/>
>   where you can relive all the great California cheese  
> commercials.  Hmmm,
>   time for some Monterey Jack!
>
>   Gary
>   62 TR4
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: <JWoesvra at aol.com<mailto:JWoesvra at aol.com>>
>   To: <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>>;
> <N197TR4 at cs.com<mailto:N197TR4 at cs.com>>;
> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>   Cc: <tstrange at new.rr.com<mailto:tstrange at new.rr.com>>
>   Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 3:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Fot] california cheese????
>
>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2007 2:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ehusmann53 at yahoo.com<mailto:ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> Well if  you think we need to disguise our weapons of choice, I'll  
>> throw
>> in
>> some of  that cheese from those unhappy west coast cows.
>>
>>
>> I have been wondering about "california cheese" since seeing those  
>> adds.
>> Is
>> there really such a thing? I would be very suspicious. I would eat
> Vermont
>> cheese and perhaps Ohio and PA Amish cheese, but "california  
>> cheese" ??
>> No  Way!
>>
>> Jack Woehrle
>>
>>
>>
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri May 25 04:57:36 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:57:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <052520071057.24663.4656C120000252B3000060572207002953970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> 

> I never saw it again. 
> 
> Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky. 

Hey,
Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
;-)
Irv
(hoping to get some of that cheese at Blackhawk next month)


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Fri May 25 05:37:45 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:37:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
References: <cb1.129ec4d6.3387779b@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c79ec1$1dc86ea0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>

I'm always up for the Glen!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
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  To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?


  Kas & Peg,   All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

  Kas,    I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP
  Presentation in 2008.

  I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone
  could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are
several
  of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.

  Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and
  opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

  Regards,

  Joe Alexander



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 25 06:30:32 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <c5c.12c55594.338830e8@cs.com>

> John James!
> 
> Your comments are really appreciated!
> 
> I was extremely pleased with the outcome and SVRA felt it was a success.
> 
> Jack Drews and Dennis Delap are already on the road to recovery after their 
> mishaps.  Great attitudes that exemplify what we are doing.
> 
> Of course we feel badly about the mechanical failures as it robbed us from 
> seeing some of the best that our Triumphs have to offer. Dick Stockton and 
> Henry Frye come to mind.
> 
> I was particularly proud of son Sean and the way he persevered on and off 
> the track. The last time we checked we were only getting about 120HP to work 
> with on #197. 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Joe (A)
> 
> 
> >> MOTRAH was the best overall vintage event I have attended in the four 
>> years I've been racing! GREAT track, super organization, very friendly folks, 
>> and best of all, lots of TR'S and other British makes. Also, met many of the 
>> legends in our trade, like Kas and had a chance to see the many well 
>> engineered Triumphs out there like Uncle Jack's #59 and Jeff Snook's wesome TR3. 
>> Nothing against all the 356's that we TR folks seem to get grouped with in 
>> SOVREN, but it was nice to have more than two or three TR4's in DP.
>> 
>> My thanks to Uncle Jack and Joe Alexander for introducing me to FoT and 
>> racing TR's with my first TR4, #24, which unfortunately met it's demise last 
>> year at Infineon primarily due to driver malfunction.
>> I thank Chuck Arnold for his nice comments on my current ride, #116, and 
>> the super job Tony Garmey of Horizon Racing did over this past winter 
>> transforming a TR4 with history back to Boise ID in the late 60's to a great 
>> handling vintage racer with great safety features and very professional 
>> engineering. 
>> 
>> I had not raced at Road America before and the initial test and tune last 
>> Thursday was a bit overwhelming with four miles of track, but I'm pleased to 
>> say I did break three minutes with a 2:59.2 + in the MOTRAH feature and had 
>> a blast dicing with Sean Alexander the entire race. If we have a MOTRAH 
>> event next year, I would plan on attending again with Tony and Bill Hart (Devin 
>> TR3) and Tony's father in law, Gene Olson. Thanks Joe Alexander for 
>> representing TR's so well at this event and all the other things you do for us.
>> 
>> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 147 HP at 
>> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've got a good 
>> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??
>> 
>> John James. #116
>> 
> 

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 25 06:44:41 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:44:41 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <200705251244.l4PCipPN221076@ns3.geneseo.net>

Uhhhhh.....by the way, in an earlier message about Keith Files' car, 
it was erroneously reported that he gets 174 hp at the rear wheels. 
That was a typo -- it's really 147, still very respectable (I was there).

> >> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 
> 147 HP at
> >> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've 
> got a good
> >> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame anyone??
> >>
> >> John James. #116
> >>
> >
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 07:56:56 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:56:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <d49.88a910c.33884528@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 1:49:17 AM Central Daylight Time, billb at bnj.com 
writes:


> Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook  
> cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a  
> substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no  
> comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill  
> Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for  
> me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards  
> away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.
> 
> I never saw it again.
> 
> Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.
> 

Bill

We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it Saturday night.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...the Tillamook was very, very good, and received high praise from 
Cheesemeister Don Brick.  All the cheese served at our Wine & Cheese Attitude 
Adjustment sessions was well received.  Fridirici brought some excellent smoked 
provolone.  Brick brought aged swiss and some awesome bleu.  I brought some mild 
brick.  We went through twenty-eight bottles of wine (including six doubles).  
All high end stuff with names like Fat Bastard, Joe Blow, and Cheesehead 
Special (the wine for the rest of us).  But as always, the creme DE la cream was the 
Italian reds from Wismer's basement.  No Two Buck Charlie stuff there.



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 08:01:40 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:01:40 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007    Road America
Message-ID: <c19.161a4567.33884644@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 2:38:07 AM Central Daylight Time, 
John.Reed at wilson.com writes:


> Yes it would have been great to see  Jahmaniac get beat. 
> 
> 

We watched Babcock pass him going into six in one of the early sessions.  It 
caught Dave by surprise.  Dave Jahimiak is a very good driver, with awesome 
equipment, and tons of RA seat time.  But I'll tell you what...you give Babcock 
and the Peyote a few more sessions and Doctor J has his hands full.

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:12:13 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:12:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <C0F35EBB-30E0-459F-B9FC-F5A2075B9D94@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <145031.29270.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Now Bill, it's not that we are sneaky, we were just trying to save Nero from being attached by field mice who might have gone after the first place cheese in the west coast category.  After all, the Tillamook cheddar did receive several favorable comments from the FOT cheese experts.

Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> wrote:   Incidentally, I did indeed bring a block of fine aged Tillamook cheddar with me to the big Motrah cheese off. After I set it out, a substantial amount of it disappeared very quickly with virtually no comments. I was going to take the remainder back to Nero, but Bill Dentinger pretty much snatched it up and volunteered to "store it for me" in his refrigerator, even though Nero was less than 100 yards away and has a large refrigerator/freezer.    

  I never saw it again. 
  

  Those midwesterners are pretty sneaky.    
    Bill Babcock
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Fri May 25 08:15:29 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:15:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:


> Hey,
> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> ;-)
> Irv
> 

Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).  

Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the 2006 
'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he presented it, this was the 
first time the BUBBA award was presented to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack 
even rented a sport coat for the presentation.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can handle it.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:21:58 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:21:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
Message-ID: <547714.85748.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill was at his best when he made a great exceptance speech upon receiving the Bubba.  If you have never heard Bill speak, you really missed something.  
  
BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:


> Hey,
> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> ;-)
> Irv
> 

Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression). 

Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the 2006 
'BUBBA' award. And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he presented it, this was the 
first time the BUBBA award was presented to a Yankee. It was a big deal. Jack 
even rented a sport coat for the presentation.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can handle it.



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 08:28:24 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <000b01c79ec1$1dc86ea0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook>
Message-ID: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's only a short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
   
  Ernie
   
  PS. How come my spell check always wants to change Snook to Snooker?
   
  
Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:
  I'm always up for the Glen!

Jeff Snook
http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
----- Original Message -----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?


Kas & Peg, All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.

Kas, I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT KASTNER CUP
Presentation in 2008.

I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps someone
could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the Glen....There are
several
of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.

Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of ideas and
opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri May 25 09:43:52 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:43:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot] The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <cea.101f4e52.33885e38@cs.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2007 9:28:30 AM Central Daylight Time, 
ehusmann53 at yahoo.com writes:


> Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's only a 
> short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
>  
> Ernie
> 

I have three Pacific Northwest guys coming forward and expressing an 
interest, in fact, prior plans. Good start.

Looking for someone who might take a leadership role in organizing. I hope to 
be there, but running out of energy on these things.

Joe (A)   </HTML>


From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:05:47 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
In-Reply-To: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
References: <c67.145cf21e.33884981@aol.com>
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It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.

Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately recognizable.

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On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>
>> Hey,
>> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>
>
> Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
>
> Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was presented  
> to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat for  
> the presentation.
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
> PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can  
> handle it.
>
>
> **************************************
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From JWoesvra at aol.com  Fri May 25 10:06:29 2007
From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:06:29 EDT
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <c24.186cc835.33886385@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/25/2007 8:56:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, BillDentin  
writes:

Bill

We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it  Saturday night.



OK. That explains why the cheese you were serving Saturday night seemed a  
little bland for REAL Wisconsin cheese!
 
Jack W.



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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:07:10 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:07:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
In-Reply-To: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <988235.88492.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0FD4F39B-2F4D-4511-B79D-33EF2FDE1935@bnj.com>

I'll be there twice this year. Not so sure about next year, though I  
might be single by that time with lots of time on my hands.

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On May 25, 2007, at 7:28 AM, Ernest Husmann wrote:

> Never been to the Glen and have always wanted to go.  Besides it's  
> only a short 4,500 mile round trip jaunt for the left coasters.
>
> Ernie
>
> PS. How come my spell check always wants to change Snook to Snooker?
>
>
> Jeff Snook <jsnook at wcnet.org> wrote:
> I'm always up for the Glen!
>
> Jeff Snook
> http://www.snooksdreamcars.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> To: kaskas at cox.net ; billb at bnj.com ; henry at henryfrye.com
> Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:19 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
>
>
> Kas & Peg, All of us appreciated your presence at Road America.
>
> Kas, I believe we had a conversation about the east coast FoT  
> KASTNER CUP
> Presentation in 2008.
>
> I understand your fondness for returning to Watkins Glen. Perhaps  
> someone
> could make a proposal for a stand alone TR race at the  
> Glen....There are
> several
> of us from the midwest who are contemplating traveling there in 2008.
>
> Perhaps we could ask the Healey's to join us once again. Lot's of  
> ideas and
> opportunities. I really like the Healey guys.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
>
>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 10:08:04 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:08:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
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Bland my ass.

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On May 25, 2007, at 9:06 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 5/25/2007 8:56:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> BillDentin writes:
> Bill
>
> We put a Wisconsin label on it and served it Saturday night.
> OK. That explains why the cheese you were serving Saturday night  
> seemed a little bland for REAL Wisconsin cheese!
>
> Jack W.
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri May 25 10:32:40 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:32:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Thanks to Kas & Peg......The Glen for 2008?
Message-ID: <052520071632.9117.46570FA80009BD2C0000239D2200734840970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> 

> I'll be there twice this year. Not so sure about next year, though I 
> might be single by that time with lots of time on my hands. 
Yeah, but with no money to go racing.
:-)
Irv


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 12:58:11 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <20070525.125811.-223239.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> writes:
> It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.
> 
> Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
> 
> and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
> 
> have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
> since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
> 
> like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
> 
> hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately 
> recognizable.
> 
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> 
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
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> 
> 
> On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> > emanteno at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hey,
> >> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> >> ;-)
> >> Irv
> >
> >
> > Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
> >
> > Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 
> > 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> > presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was 
> presented  
> > to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat 
> for  
> > the presentation.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> > PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can 
>  
> > handle it.
> >
> >
> > **************************************
> > See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 12:58:11 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:58:11 -0600
Subject: [Fot] california cheese????
Message-ID: <20070525.131006.-223239.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:05:47 -0700 Bill Babcock <billb at bnj.com> writes:
> It would indeed have to be a wide brush for your ass.
> 
> Incidentally, I plan to stop at Cabelas on the way back to Virginia  
> 
> and get a duplicate of your Wisconsin-style flying nun hat. I even  
> 
> have an FOT patch to sew on the front. I'll have to do it myself  
> since Diane has already served notice that she wouldn't touch a hat  
> 
> like that for fear of cooties. I think everyone on the FOT needs a  
> 
> hat like that. We could be famous. Or at least immediately 
> recognizable.
> 
> Bill Babcock
> billb at bnj.com
> bnj  Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency
> 
> You can subscribe to my Blogs
> Via email:
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> 
> 
> On May 25, 2007, at 7:15 AM, BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
> 
> > In a message dated 05/25/2007 5:58:10 AM Central Daylight Time,  
> > emanteno at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >
> >> Hey,
> >> Don't paint all Midwesterners with that wide Dentinger brush!!!
> >> ;-)
> >> Irv
> >
> >
> > Wide Dentinger brush my ass (you should excuse the expression).
> >
> > Did you know on Saturday night at the Banquet SVRA awarded me the  
> 
> > 2006 'BUBBA' award.  And as Jack Woehrle pointed out when he  
> > presented it, this was the first time the BUBBA award was 
> presented  
> > to a Yankee.  It was a big deal.  Jack even rented a sport coat 
> for  
> > the presentation.
> >
> > Bill (Damdinger)
> >
> > PS...I am remotely familiar with the term BUBBA, and I think I can 
>  
> > handle it.
> >
> >
> > **************************************
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Fri May 25 13:27:44 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:27:44 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Erroneous messages
Message-ID: <20070525.132744.-223239.6.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Hitting buttons not intended.
Sorry about that.
Bill


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri May 25 13:43:09 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:43:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plugs
Message-ID: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>

I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run 
some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special 
ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than that.

Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?

Thanks

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From tlizzard at msn.com  Fri May 25 15:25:27 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:25:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plugs
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV91E03022FCD4CC3057364C32B0@phx.gbl>

Jack, the NGK Irridium plugs are available in a 9 heat range I do believe.

Terry Stetler
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jack W. Drews<mailto:vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 3:43 PM
  Subject: [Fot] plugs


  I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
  some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
  ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than
that.

  Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?

  Thanks

  uncle jack



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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 16:34:47 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:34:47 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  MOTRAH-007
In-Reply-To: <200705251244.l4PCipPN221076@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070525223254.C7FF11879F9@autox.team.net>

It was a tease: call it the English sense of humour :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack W. Drews
Sent: 25 May 2007 13:45
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: MOTRAH-007

Uhhhhh.....by the way, in an earlier message about Keith Files' car, 
it was erroneously reported that he gets 174 hp at the rear wheels. 
That was a typo -- it's really 147, still very respectable (I was there).

> >> It s obvious I need another twenty HP's since my motor dyno's at 
> 147 HP at
> >> the flywheel, not 174!!!!! at the rear wheels like Keith's! I've 
> got a good
> >> supply of TR parts I'd trade for some speed secrets!! Bent frame
anyone??
> >>
> >> John James. #116
> >>
> >
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 17:13:28 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:13:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <6ADB6CAF-E8E5-47DC-B4F1-F2B2874C2B23@bnj.com>

If you want to stick with NGK then just remember this--going up in  
number is one step colder, so 8 is colder than 7. C is a half step  
colder than no letter, and S is a half step hotter. So a BP8HC would  
be quite a bit colder than HS, and a B9HS would be very cold. NGK  
also has platinum plugs in the range, and they are about the same as  
C for heat range, so a BP8EV would be roughly similar to BP8HC.

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On May 25, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler  
> than that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri May 25 20:20:10 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:20:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-Shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-F115AA64C282B6969FF9136BA2A0@phx.gbl>

Just a reminder that June 16th is the cut off date for the FOT t-shirt 
orders. As of right now we are not even close to the minimum order quantity 
so if you are thinking about ordering a FOT t-shirt now would be the time.

Thanks,
Marty

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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Fri May 25 20:59:32 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <3d126e62048675bbef0b3844deb0c002@wi.rr.com>

Jack,

I run NGK BP9ES plugs in the TR6. I get them from NAPA.

Allen

On May 25, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler 
> than that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
>
>
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From tr5racer at btinternet.com  Fri May 25 21:00:11 2007
From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:00:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <792474.11798.qm@web86611.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear All
   
  Although I am still on holiday in Chicago until May 29th, I would just like to thank everyone for a superb weekends racing at Road America. My son Simon and I had a great weekend and made lots of new friends.
  Although we did not make the Enduro Keith kindly let me do the group 3 qualifying race in which I drove very conservatively, mindful of not damaging Keiths new toy.Unfortunately just as I was getting used to the car and the track the gremlins struck again when the throttle cable snapped!.However I may be allowed to drive the car again in the future.
  It was good to see old friends from Mid Ohio 2002 namely Jack & Tony Drews, Joe & Sean Alexander, Bill Dentinger, Henry Frye and Dean Tetterton as well as making new friends like Allen Washatko and his team. We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
  Thanks again especially to Joe Alexander for making all our arrangements and to Keith for giving me the opportunity to race at one of Americas premier circuits. 
   
  Regards to All
   
  Mike Hughes

 		
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri May 25 22:35:55 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:35:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
In-Reply-To: <3d126e62048675bbef0b3844deb0c002@wi.rr.com>
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<3d126e62048675bbef0b3844deb0c002@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8D9A2320-8570-45FC-A883-2305E3483C92@bnj.com>

E plugs are 3/4 reach, is that proper for TR6?

Bill Babcock
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On May 25, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Allen Washatko wrote:

> Jack,
>
> I run NGK BP9ES plugs in the TR6. I get them from NAPA.
>
> Allen
>
> On May 25, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>
>> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
>> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
>> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler
>> than that.
>>
>> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> uncle jack
>>
>>
>>
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri May 25 22:55:38 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plugs
References: <200705251943.l4PJhJsi351746@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <004001c79f52$1b4cc860$6401a8c0@TER2>

    Champion makes a very high quality Marine Plug that crosses to a BP8hs. 
The Champion plug is a L-78YC. It is a very cold projected nose, copper core 
plug. It should be good for a high output engine with over 12.5: 
compression.
                                                                             
                        Greg Solow.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] plugs


> I've been running NGK BP7HS plugs in my race TR4. I'd like to run
> some cooler ones but I haven't been able to find any. I have special
> ordered BP8HS in the past but I'd like to try something even cooler than 
> that.
>
> Does anybody run cooler plugs? What kind?
>
> Thanks
>
> uncle jack
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat May 26 07:52:13 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 09:52:13 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
Message-ID: <cf0.10736074.3389958d@aol.com>

In a message dated 05/25/2007 10:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr5racer at btinternet.com writes:


> We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to 
> race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
> 

Yeah...we got the TR250 and the rest of the world got the TR5.  It would be 
GREAT to see a true TR5 race this side of the pond.  Go for it.

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From timmurph at fastbytes.com  Sat May 26 18:15:34 2007
From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:15:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH
Message-ID: <001d01c79ff4$25272ef0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC>

Ryan and I had a great time at MOTRAH.  We were fortunate enough to be
paddocked next to Jack and Tony Drews and Kieth Files on one side and John
Fridirici on the other.  Nice to be among so many Triumphs.  And all nice
company.  It was interesting to watch Jack's perseverance in keeping the car
going and the wizardry of Jon Woods on Keith's car.
    Our first time at Road America and it is a looong track.  Realized that
the 4.3 to 1 rear end, even with an overdrive just can't quite do it at RA.
Maybe a little lack of top end power didn't help either.  But, while we're
learning and getting some "seat time", reliability is our main criteria.
Can't get "seat time" fixing the car in the paddock.  The only "fix" I had to
do was tighten the "fan" belt!
    Also got to meet some great people.  Bill Babcock took the time to give
some history on Peyote.  Was great to see him running so well.  Met Kas and
Peg for the first time, what nice people.  Had the opportunity to indulge in
the wine and cheese party, although I think we missed the West coast cheddar.
    All in all a really terrific weekend.  Thanks to Joe A. and the others who
organized it.

Tim


From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sat May 26 18:58:09 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:58:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007
In-Reply-To: <cf0.10736074.3389958d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <262434.24213.qm@web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Bill, wait and think about what your saying.  I remember the Brit cars at Mid-Ohio and they were extremely fast and well driven.  Wait, where am I going with this, bring 'em all over!
   
  Ernie

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:
  In a message dated 05/25/2007 10:46:34 PM Central Daylight Time, 
tr5racer at btinternet.com writes:


> We will be back maybe next year and I would like to bring my TR5 over to 
> race for the 60th anniversary in 2012.
> 

Yeah...we got the TR250 and the rest of the world got the TR5. It would be 
GREAT to see a true TR5 race this side of the pond. Go for it.

Bill Dentinger



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:32:33 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 1 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043044.A48B51879DC@autox.team.net>

I thought the Motrah 007 event was an unqualified
success.  Between the organizers and SVRA, we had
4, count em, 4 extra sessions as a Motrah
entry.  One of them was the pursuit race that was
lightly filled due to the
weather.  Congratulations to Henry for the win in that one.

Over the winter, I ended up with an engine
rebuild and an OD rebuild.  I installed an
experimental camshaft designed by our own Larry
Young, and struggled to find a crankshaft that
was usable.  I ended up with a loaner from uncle
jack thats the former Keith Files Moldex.  The
Crower / Dunst crank will arrive
eventually  Larrys cam is designed with the
idea that we want maximum torque between 4000 and
6000 RPM since our engines dont have the flow
necessary to run high RPMs.  It has aggressive
ramps that require the stock lifter (not the GT-40 ones).

We took the motor it to an engine dyno in
Wisconsin to tune the carbs, find the optimal cam
advance (dyno software predicted 0 to 2 degrees
advance would be best), and find the optimal
ignition settings.  I spent every waking moment
getting the motor in the car and getting the car
ready for Motrah.  I ended up with two weeknights to spare.  Yikes.

With that cam and everything tuned like is should
be, I have never had that much power.  I was able
to spin the tires in first by just flooring the gas.  Cool.

We were paddocked with Joe Alexander, Keith
Files, and the Murphys.  Tim and Ryan are a new
father / son racing team.  They had an excellent
weekend in there beautiful TR-4.  Ryan (son) was
driving this weekend and did and excellent
job.  Its neat to see their enthusiasm for the
sport.  As the son part of a father / son team,
Ive gotta say  that is absolutely the most fun
you can possibly have.  I really encourage others
to try to get their sons involved in this wonderful sport.

Part 1 of 3

Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:33:28 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:33:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 2 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043134.9F1DA1879DC@autox.team.net>

Uncle jack has to have the perseverance award 
shelled out the pinion in the first session, took
the rear axle out, took it home (5 hours each
way), rebuilt it with a R&P on the shelf and only
missed a session.  Left at 6:30 Thursday night
and pulled back in around noon on
Friday.  (!)  Also, he and I changed the starter
that died, and overcame an encounter with the
tire wall.  The body man will be happy, Jacks checkbook will be sad.

In the group 3 qualifying race, I came up on a
car that looked suspiciously like uncle jack, but
not entirely.  As I got closer, I realized that
it was, in fact, my dad but with the left side of
the car caved in.  I felt sick seeing that.  But,
just to prove that chivalry wasnt dead, he did a
long lurid slide coming out of turn 6 trying to keep me behind him.

The Motrah qualifying race ended up being in the
wet.  I watched Allen Washatko spin in turn 14
and lightly glance off of the inside wall.  On
the last lap, I saw Dennis Delap off the track in
a crunched condition after turn 7.  I ended up
coming in 3rd behind a V-8 Morgan and Dave
Jahamiak, I think.  It was a glorious drive,
feeling the tires AT THE LIMIT in the
corners.  The Kink was one of the slipperier
corners.  (!)  I kept telling myself: brake
early, dont screw up, preserve the car.

In the Motrah race, I had a great dice with Jeff
Johnk.  It turns out that he is a real gentleman
racer.  I was faster through the twisty bits and
he was faster on the straights.  Once I passed
him, he made a point of NOT passing me back on
the straights so that I could battle with Allen
Washatko in his well prepared TR-6.  I was
setting Allen up for a possible turn 5 pass on
the last lap when he pulled off the inside of
turn 1, out of gas.  I think I ended up in 5th
place behind the two V-8 Morgans, Jahamiak and
Babcock.  Best time was in the neighborhood of
2:48.4  6 seconds better than my best time from
last year.  Incidentally, I PASSED Bill early in
the weekend (while he was still learning the
track).  I told him that was the only time that
would happen and it turns out I was right.

Part 2 of 3

Tony Drews


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat May 26 22:34:13 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:34:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007, part 3 of 3
Message-ID: <20070527043219.446AB1879DC@autox.team.net>

   In  the  normal  group race, I was classified in group 3 CP (bumped up
   from  3 DP) due to my rear disk brakes (nevermind that Im paying a 150
   lb penalty for the massive rear axle attached to them).  They put 3 CP
   in  with  the sports racer group.  I started that race at the back due
   to  a  timing / scoring problem.  Turns out that a couple of fast 356s
   were  in  that  group too.  I had a good start with my new-found power
   and  passed a few cars on the first lap, including Rick Gurolnick (Dr.
   Dreadful)  in  his  VERY nice 356.  Rick re-passed me on at the end of
   the  straight  the  next lap.  I spent most of the race drafting him a
   foot  off his rear end, popping out a the end, pulling out every trick
   I  knew.   On  the  next  to  the  last  lap,  he  ran wide in turn 5.
   Glorious!   I  went  through turns 5 and 6 side by side with Rick, and
   edged  him out by turn 7.  With a great run through the kink, I gapped
   him  enough  to stay ahead through the front and back straights on the
   last  lap.   I  early apexed the kink slightly on the last lap, and he
   was  highly  motivated.  He pulled back up to my rear, but didnt quite
   have  enough  to  pass  me  before  the end of the race.  What a race!
   Thats the one Ive got in-car footage of at
   http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7361466699989864483 .

   John  Sprinzel  wandered  by  early  in the weekend and was telling me
   stories  of running for the factory Triumph team.  Kas Kastner stopped
   by  after  every  session and told me my lap times with a smile on his
   face.  How cool is that?

   If  we  can  end up with some sort of similar deal with Triumph as the
   featured  marque (maybe a Triumph / Healey challenge?) at Watkins Glen
   in 2008, that would be AWESOME!  It seems like a trial balloon message
   or  two  has  come  out on that I would wholeheartedly support such an
   event.
   Part 3 of 3

   Tony Drews


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat May 26 23:38:25 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:38:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plugs
Message-ID: <c12.183609e8.338a7351@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 5/26/2007 11:29:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

>     Champion makes a very high quality Marine Plug that crosses to a BP8hs. 
> The Champion plug is a L-78YC. It is a very cold projected nose, copper core 
> plug. It should be good for a high output engine with over 12.5: 
> compression.

I wouldn't touch a champion plug with a barge pole, champion & high quality 
are oxymorons nowadays.

NGKs are the only way to go as far as I am concerned

Regards

Leon
 
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Sun May 27 11:21:07 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:21:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
Message-ID: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>

I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator.
Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day.

I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the
Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!  For now,
however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph guys out
here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of champagne after
my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!

On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2 176 #3 178 #4
178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?



~Steve


From billb at bnj.com  Sun May 27 12:25:39 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:25:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
In-Reply-To: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
References: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
Message-ID: <B2780C9A-574D-4A57-9C12-2217961E4A98@bnj.com>

Wine country classic is a great event, classy but not exclusive--they  
take Peyote whenever I manage to get my entry in, and they have a few  
production cars in the grid. The trick is to get your entry in early.  
It also helps if you enter some other HMSA events. While General  
Racing still runs Wine Country and Monterey, Steve and Debbie Earle  
have backed off from the grind and are having Cris Vandagriff  
(President of HMSA and a long-time right hand to Steve) run things.

I won't be there this year because Peyote is in Virginia, but it's  
one of my favorite events. In many ways I like it more than the  
Monterey Historics, though Monterey overall is a incredible event.

Make sure you go to the saturday night party in Sonoma Square, and if  
you can tag along to the friday night driver's party up at the Office  
complex (the building up on top of the hill) then do so--good food,  
good wine, lots of benchracing. The Sonoma Square party includes an  
impromptu concours that includes a lot of the race cars that have  
some kind of street legality (pretty sketchy usually) and a lot of  
food and wine tasting. It costs a few bucks, but it's well worth the  
price.

Laguna Seca and Sears are must go tracks for anyone remotely in the  
area. Wine Country is not quite as hard to get into as Monterey--but  
it's close. Other choices for these tracks are the SCCA event in May  
at Laguna Seca and the CSRG Charity Challenge at Sears. Both offer a  
lot more track time.

There's no way to interpret race tune from compression ratio--the cam  
overlap has too much influence on the numbers. Often a street engine  
with a mild cam and 8 to 1 compression will have higher compression  
readings than a hot cam and 11 to 1. You use compression tests to  
tell if you have a flaw--a stuck ring or a leaky valve. Leakdown  
tests are better for this, but compression is a quick and dirty check.

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On May 27, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Steve Belfer wrote:

> I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a  
> spectator.
> Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
> Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
> I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one  
> day.
>
> I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in  
> the
> Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!   
> For now,
> however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph  
> guys out
> here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of  
> champagne after
> my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!
>
> On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2  
> 176 #3 178 #4
> 178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?
>
>
>
> ~Steve
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From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sun May 27 13:11:53 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:11:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Seeking Triumph TR3 Serial #26557 Engine #26908 first sold
 3/19/1958
Message-ID: <4659D7F9.8020809@greenheart.com>

I was at a swap meet recently  in Pasadena, California, and I  found a 
copy Standard Motor's "Practical Hints for the Maintenance of the 
Triumph TR3".    Folded inside was the origial dealer Check and 
Acceptance Form for this specific car  Serial #26557   Engine #26908  
first sold 3/19/1958

I bought this booklet for reference and interest around my TR2, but I 
would consider passing it along to the original TR3 owner, if he/she has 
an interest.   It would be great to put these items together again with 
their car.

--Justin Wagner


From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Sun May 27 16:06:28 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:06:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
References: <000601c7a083$6a083070$0301000a@Chowdown>
Message-ID: <001b01c7a0ab$46a070c0$6401a8c0@TER2>

I will be there with my ex Lew Spencer Morgan Super Sport, "Baby Doll V". We 
are in  Race Group 7, along with the Cobras, Stingray Corvettes, GT 350s, 
etc. I notice that Ron Jacobs with his TR-4 is also in this class. There are 
also some Elava Couriers, Loti and a Ginetta G-4r. It will be a "fun" class!
                                                                             
                                        Greg Solow
` 
Morgan SS # 45. "Kingfisher Blue"
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Belfer" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic / Compression


> I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator.
> Any FOT'rs planning to attend?
> Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such?
> I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day.
>
> I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the
> Midwest.  Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland!  For now,
> however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA.  The Triumph guys out
> here are first-class.  I was even presented with a bottle of champagne 
> after
> my first day of racing at Buttonwillow!
>
> On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday.  #1 179  #2 176 #3 
> 178 #4
> 178.  What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys?
>
>
>
> ~Steve
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From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net  Mon May 28 09:16:17 2007
From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:16:17 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic  / Compression
Message-ID: <052820071516.2474.465AF2410004A62F000009AA2160383116990E04D2069D@att.net>

The Wine Country Classic is always fun and it does sound like a fun class. My TR-4 is dark blue number 484. Please stop by.  Look forward to seeing some of you there.

Ron Jacobs
Western Eagle Racing
-------------- Original message from "Greg Solow" <gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com>: -------------- 


> I will be there with my ex Lew Spencer Morgan Super Sport, "Baby Doll V". We 
> are in Race Group 7, along with the Cobras, Stingray Corvettes, GT 350s, 
> etc. I notice that Ron Jacobs with his TR-4 is also in this class. There are 
> also some Elava Couriers, Loti and a Ginetta G-4r. It will be a "fun" class! 
> 
> Greg Solow 
> ` 
> Morgan SS # 45. "Kingfisher Blue" 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Belfer" 
> To: "Friends of Triumph" 
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 10:21 AM 
> Subject: [Fot] Wine Country Classic / Compression 
> 
> 
> > I'll be up in Sonoma at the Wine Country Classic next Sat. as a spectator. 
> > Any FOT'rs planning to attend? 
> > Is this a fancy-pants event with only Ferrari's and such? 
> > I'd love to haul my TR3 from LA to Sears Point and Laguna Seca one day. 
> > 
> > I'm sorry I missed MOTRAH, I wish I could run with you guys back in the 
> > Midwest. Maybe one day I'll haul the TR3 back to it's homeland! For now, 
> > however, I'm stoked to drive the car out here in CA. The Triumph guys out 
> > here are first-class. I was even presented with a bottle of champagne 
> > after 
> > my first day of racing at Buttonwillow! 
> > 
> > On another note, I ran a compression test yesterday. #1 179 #2 176 #3 
> > 178 #4 
> > 178. What level of race-tune does this represent to you guys? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ~Steve 
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Mon May 28 14:08:20 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:08:20 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
Message-ID: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

Hi @ all,

I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to the
car?

Cheers
Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
Subject: Sprint Alternator


Hello Paul,

I'm Chris from Germany.
I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at Kas
book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the amperemeter
shows -5A.

What trick is needed to install the alternator?
At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched (+).

Cheers
Chris

PS: Thanks in advance for help.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon May 28 16:12:41 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:12:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
In-Reply-To: <000801c7a149$5ccc5cd0$5d60a3d8@Dell5100Laptop>
References: <000801c7a149$5ccc5cd0$5d60a3d8@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <88E158B5-1C9E-460C-99F5-49984A8256C9@bnj.com>

I have a gas grill. I also have three tables and I'll supply wine,
beer, and pupus as we call them in Hawaii. .  I'm going to have to
work on Peyote quite a bit when I get there, my driveshaft was going
south, so I took it back to Portland and got it rebuilt. Also have to
put a new seal in the rear end input shaft. No big deal, but some
assembly will be required.
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On May 28, 2007, at 9:58 AM, marshall wrote:

> OK, as I understand it, Leo will get the TR list from VIR, Jo and I
> will bring up the special hot dogs and the fire pit along with
> firewood and other usual stuff.  Dean has the table and Bill has
> the movie equipment.  Since Henry wont be there we to figure out
> how to get a grill up there.  Has anyone got something small enough
> to bring but big enough to cook on?  In a pinch we can use our
> little Weber but it wont do much.
>
>
> Were going to try to get in on Wednesday but itll be late if we
> make it in one pull.  Most people will arrive on Thursday so I
> dont know if we should do it Thursday night or Friday.  Friday
> might conflict with some Gold Cup event but I dont have a copy of
> the schedule with me.  Tomorrow were heading back to Florida and
> will start on the car.  Hopefully nothing has gone wrong between
> the last session at VIR in April and now.  Cheers, Don
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LOddTR at aol.com [mailto:LOddTR at aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 5:16 PM
> To: marshall at nefcom.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Speedster Tire Follow-up and Road America
>
>
> Don,
>
>
> Your plan sounds like a good one. I'll get an invite out as soon as
> I hear from Christa. If I don't get a response I'll send a note to
> the usual suspects.
>
>
> The tranny leak is a little evasive. I retorgued the tail housing
> and the top. It may be the rear seal. No cracks though. I confirmed
> that today. I may pull the drive shaft to have it checked for
> balance. I'll get a good look at the rear seal then.
>
>
> Beyond the above, the car is rarin' to go. I even put a coat of wax
> on it today. First time in several years. Sure does look pretty
> with all the stone chips touched up and with the new windscreen. I
> kinda hate to take it on the track and have the front end get sand
> blasted again. Oh well. That's what cans of spray paint are for.
>
>
> Leo
>
>
>
>
> See what's free at AOL.com.


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Mon May 28 20:48:09 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just installed, which 
worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the threaded nut 
takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This alternator 
also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy Sprint wiring 
harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.  One of 
those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the 
ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a signal to 
tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three blades form a 
"U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the bottom of the 
"U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of the U and 
it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one can be 
hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator is not 
charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained why this 
works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your 
friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the engine just 
pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no longer being 
told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car runs off 
the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an hour or 
so.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator


> Hi @ all,
>
> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to the
> car?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>
>
> Hello Paul,
>
> I'm Chris from Germany.
> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at 
> Kas
> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the amperemeter
> shows -5A.
>
> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched 
> (+).
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of 
> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue May 29 07:02:53 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:02:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
Message-ID: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>

Friends
What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car filming also
mounting arrangement to minimise shake
Geoff Byrne
TR6 Racer Down Under


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 09:25:20 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:25:20 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
In-Reply-To: <005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <2D17A007-4673-4BF8-A7F8-0D2A10E6DF94@bnj.com>

Actually, unless you're running lights most batteries--even the small  
motorcycle type I use in Peyote, are enough to run the car for many  
races including starts. I do like the idea of being able to shut off  
the alternator. Makes it easier to wire the ignition shut off switch  
as well, though you'll still need a double pole switch
Bill Babcock
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On May 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen wrote:

> Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just  
> installed, which
> worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the  
> threaded nut
> takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This  
> alternator
> also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy  
> Sprint wiring
> harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.   
> One of
> those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
> ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a  
> signal to
> tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three  
> blades form a
> "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the  
> bottom of the
> "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of  
> the U and
> it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one  
> can be
> hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator  
> is not
> charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained  
> why this
> works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your
> friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the  
> engine just
> pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no  
> longer being
> told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car  
> runs off
> the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an  
> hour or
> so.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
>> Hi @ all,
>>
>> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
>> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator  
>> to the
>> car?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
>> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>>
>>
>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> I'm Chris from Germany.
>> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as  
>> mentioned at
>> Kas
>> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
>> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the  
>> amperemeter
>> shows -5A.
>>
>> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
>> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
>> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the  
>> switched
>> (+).
>>
>> Cheers
>> Chris
>>
>> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>>
>> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a  
>> name of
>> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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>>
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 09:44:26 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:44:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>
References: <004201c7a1f1$ac8201a0$0416efdc@co3017577a>
Message-ID: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>

If you don't already have a video camera I suggest one of the new  
self contained helmet cams. They're cheap ($150 US) they record for a  
long time on 2GB SD cards, and they have auto focus and auto  
contrast. The Oregon Scientific bullet style camera is the best  
format but their customer service sucks and they have some issues  
with vibration affecting the SD card connection. You can fix it with  
a piece of foam earplug wedged in the holder, but you might not like  
that kind of bodge. There's also a tiny waterproof camera you can  
probably get at surf shops that's got a better lens and is more  
reliable I think they're called Sport Cam.

These cameras are so small and light that mounting them can be a  
matter of using the straps they provide with duct tape for  
reinforcement. You can helmet mount them or stick them on the roll  
bar. They are light enough that vibration doesn't seem to be much of  
a problem.

If you have a videocamera already, especially one with image  
stabilization, then you can just use a commercially available mount.  
I don't remember the name of mine--something with "Zero" in the name.  
It has a urethane vibration damper and clamps to the roll bar. Make  
sure you rig a safety strap in case the mount fails. Not only will it  
save your camera but it will also prevent FOD to the car behind you.  
I also tape a bit of tearoff shield across the lens to prevent high  
speed gook from damaging the lens. I do the same with the little  
sportcams.

Guys that get serious have bullet cameras feeding a tapeless recorder  
(using SD cards) and some have switchable or dual feeds. You can  
easily spend several thousand bucks on this, and you can duplicate  
the results with two $150 SportCams, though the quality might not be  
as high. Most of this stuff winds up on the web at low res anyway.  
The sportcams do 640 X 480 resolution at 30 or 15 FPS, which is  
better than anyone that isn't broadcasting needs.


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On May 29, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Geoffrey Byrne wrote:

> Friends
> What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car  
> filming also
> mounting arrangement to minimise shake
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 Racer Down Under
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 09:46:33 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:46:33 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
Message-ID: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>

List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.

There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides and 
those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.

So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.

A few points of information:

The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event 

Formula 500 is also a featured race.

SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.

Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing 
the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.

OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.     Thanks!

Best Regards,

Joe Alexander

   </HTML>


From jsnook at wcnet.org  Tue May 29 12:13:48 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:13:48 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>

I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.

I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives close to the
track!

Thanks,

Jeff Snook
www.snooksdreamcars.com
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 AM
  Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
Cup..Decision Time!!!


  List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.

  There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides
and
  those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.

  So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.

  A few points of information:

  The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event

  Formula 500 is also a featured race.

  SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.

  Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
  the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.

  OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.
Thanks!

  Best Regards,

  Joe Alexander

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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 13:03:24 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:03:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
	<00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
Message-ID: <0ED023B0-D9AE-4062-AC5A-A67C072FD6CA@bnj.com>

Speaking of which, is anyone going to the Watkins Glen Historics on  
the 14th, or for that matter, who's going to Mosport the week after.  
I'll be at both, it would be good to pit with friends, and any FOT  
spectating, be sure to drop by and say hi. Movie nights too of course. .

Bill Babcock
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On May 29, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Jeff Snook wrote:

> I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.
>
> I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives close  
> to the
> track!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Snook
> www.snooksdreamcars.com
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: N197TR4 at cs.com
>   To: fot at autox.team.net
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 AM
>   Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
> Cup..Decision Time!!!
>
>
>   List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at  
> 2008 Zippo.
>
>   There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few  
> downsides
> and
>   those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
>   So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
>   A few points of information:
>
>   The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
>   Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
>   SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their  
> planning.
>
>   Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in  
> organizing
>   the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
>   OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.
> Thanks!
>
>   Best Regards,
>
>   Joe Alexander
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 13:31:11 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:31:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time...
Message-ID: <be8.18085212.338dd97f@cs.com>

What a great choice on your itinerary!

You wont have any trouble finding friends at Mosport. 

Lots of track time and one of the best tracks you will ever run in your life, 
methinks.

Wish we all could be there.  

BTW, Mosport is on the radar for 2008, for some of us. 

Joe A


> Speaking of which, is anyone going to the Watkins Glen Historics on the 
> 14th, or for that matter, who's going to Mosport the week after. I'll be at 
> both, it would be good to pit with friends, and any FOT spectating, be sure to 
> drop by and say hi. Movie nights too of course. . 
> 
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 13:45:14 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:45:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
Message-ID: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>

Jeff Johnk! 

What a great gentleman in this MOTRAH-007 organizational effort. Thanks! 

And thanks for getting John Sprinzel to us!

Responses tell us that this weekend was quite a success.

I understand that you will be taking a year off after two years of organizing 
these events.....the 2006 Healey Tour, and now Motrah-007.

Looking forward to the next combined Triumph/Healey Meeting.

Yup, Tony was The Man of the Hour at MOTRAH-007....I wonder where he gets it 
from?

Jeff Johnk....great organizer and great family man!  THANK YOU!

Hats off from the FoT!

Joe (A)




> Hi MOTRAH racers,
>     I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race participants 
> of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the Triumphs 
> and Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs, especially 
> with Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has 2138 cc's and 
> four cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked my butt in the 
> straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much everywhere! Big 
> Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of time to him 
> under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race 
> progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be right on my trunk 
> handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all the stops 
> out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right foot planted on 
> the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they say), than 
> waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and brimstone(actually 
> it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony appeared on the 
> inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is! Great Fun!  
>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been circulating, 
> that is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. 
> This is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
>  it was $20.
>     Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to racing with 
> you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
>         Healey 28,
>             Jeff Johnk
> 

   </HTML>


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Tue May 29 14:31:41 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>

FOT,

"The Thriller at Miller....."

Looks like a good one.

New highly touted course.

Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.

Kastner Cup Presentation.

Jan & I will be there....with or without #197

Who else will be there?

Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again?   "Cup" is boxed Priority Mail and 
ready to send.

Regards,

Joe (A)   </HTML>


From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 14:43:33 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:43:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>
References: <ce1.128e16b0.338ddcca@cs.com>
Message-ID: <C4FE9885-DABE-4100-8B30-27A40FA1184E@bnj.com>

Incidentally, I've finished a two part section in the blog about  
Motrah. Left out a great deal, but thats only because it was headed  
towards a couple of thousand words.
Bill Babcock
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On May 29, 2007, at 12:45 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Jeff Johnk!
>
> What a great gentleman in this MOTRAH-007 organizational effort.  
> Thanks!
>
> And thanks for getting John Sprinzel to us!
>
> Responses tell us that this weekend was quite a success.
>
> I understand that you will be taking a year off after two years of  
> organizing
> these events.....the 2006 Healey Tour, and now Motrah-007.
>
> Looking forward to the next combined Triumph/Healey Meeting.
>
> Yup, Tony was The Man of the Hour at MOTRAH-007....I wonder where  
> he gets it
> from?
>
> Jeff Johnk....great organizer and great family man!  THANK YOU!
>
> Hats off from the FoT!
>
> Joe (A)
>
>
>
>
>> Hi MOTRAH racers,
>>     I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race  
>> participants
>> of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the  
>> Triumphs
>> and Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs,  
>> especially
>> with Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has  
>> 2138 cc's and
>> four cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked  
>> my butt in the
>> straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much  
>> everywhere! Big
>> Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of  
>> time to him
>> under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race
>> progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be  
>> right on my trunk
>> handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all  
>> the stops
>> out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right  
>> foot planted on
>> the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they  
>> say), than
>> waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and  
>> brimstone(actually
>> it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony appeared  
>> on the
>> inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is!  
>> Great Fun!
>>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been  
>> circulating,
>> that is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in  
>> front of Tony.
>> This is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid  
>> personal.......
>>  it was $20.
>>     Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to  
>> racing with
>> you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
>>         Healey 28,
>>             Jeff Johnk
>>
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue May 29 14:45:00 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <20070529.144501.-205105.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

I'll be there, in Race Control, not driving.
Bill

On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes:
> FOT,
> 
> "The Thriller at Miller....."
> 
> Looks like a good one.
> 
> New highly touted course.
> 
> Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.
> 
> Kastner Cup Presentation.
> 
> Jan & I will be there....with or without #197
> 
> Who else will be there?
> 
> Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again?   "Cup" is boxed Priority 
> Mail and 
> ready to send.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Tue May 29 14:47:50 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:47:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <BAY102-W15BABA1B2774555703251902F0@phx.gbl>

Henry Morrison & Crew will be
there...............................................Elva Courier> To:
N197TR4 at cs.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:45:00 -0600> From:
wgrosenbach at juno.com> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at
Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH> > I'll be there, in Race Control, not
driving.> Bill> > On Tue, 29 May 2007 16:31:41 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes:> >
FOT,> > > > "The Thriller at Miller....."> > > > Looks like a good one.> > > >
New highly touted course.> > > > Kas & Peg WILL BE THERE.> > > > Kastner Cup
Presentation.> > > > Jan & I will be there....with or without #197> > > > Who
else will be there?> > > > Chuck Gee....ORGANIZER....address again? "Cup" is
boxed Priority > > Mail and > > ready to send.> > > > Regards,> > > > Joe (A)
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue May 29 14:50:43 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:50:43 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
Message-ID: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>

Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east 
Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is still 
coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack and Tony?  
So, who else is coming...
 
Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.  
 
 
Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 29 17:54:44 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:54:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net>

Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that 
overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.

Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.

- Tony

At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is still
>coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack 
>and Tony?
>So, who else is coming...
>
>Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>
>
>Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue May 29 17:55:43 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:55:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20070529235350.333C71879FD@autox.team.net>

I'm in, but not able to help with organization.  Anyone who has seen 
my garage will understand.

- Tony

At 10:46 AM 5/29/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
>
>There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides and
>those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
>So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
>A few points of information:
>
>The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
>Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
>SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
>
>Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
>the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
>OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it.     Thanks!
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Joe Alexander
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From TR4racr at aol.com  Tue May 29 18:24:11 2007
From: TR4racr at aol.com (TR4racr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:24:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time...
Message-ID: <bb8.138e4d11.338e1e2b@aol.com>

I also will be there and like Jeff,unable to assist in managing the  event.
George Wright
Mechanicsville,Va.



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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 20:01:23 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] SCCA Pro Solo in July
Message-ID: <BAY123-W14FCAA782BF28F2B9A3389BA2E0@phx.gbl>

Any other FOT'rs going to the SCCA Pro-Solo event in Toledo Ohio in
July?Marty
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From billb at bnj.com  Tue May 29 10:10:30 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:10:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
In-Reply-To: <002901c7a209$9b364920$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<2D17A007-4673-4BF8-A7F8-0D2A10E6DF94@bnj.com>
	<002901c7a209$9b364920$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
Message-ID: <FB4B16B9-C0CF-449F-B73C-655318CFFED4@bnj.com>

It shouldn't if it's connected correctly, except for the field  
current. What voltage are you seeing on the output lead?

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On May 29, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote:

> My car should remain road legal, so I need a full functional  
> alternator. When driving home with the car from more distant tracks  
> I return home at nights.
>
> I will try all Scott did adviced me.
> But I still wonder why it consumes some amps?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Babcock
> To: Scott Janzen
> Cc: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; fot at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
> Actually, unless you're running lights most batteries--even the  
> small motorcycle type I use in Peyote, are enough to run the car  
> for many races including starts. I do like the idea of being able  
> to shut off the alternator. Makes it easier to wire the ignition  
> shut off switch as well, though you'll still need a double pole switch
> Bill Babcock
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>
> On May 28, 2007, at 7:48 PM, Scott Janzen wrote:
>
>> Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just  
>> installed, which
>> worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the  
>> threaded nut
>> takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This  
>> alternator
>> also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy  
>> Sprint wiring
>> harness - there are three spade connections within the  
>> receptacle.  One of
>> those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
>> ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a  
>> signal to
>> tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three  
>> blades form a
>> "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the  
>> bottom of the
>> "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of  
>> the U and
>> it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one  
>> can be
>> hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator  
>> is not
>> charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that  
>> explained why this
>> works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If  
>> your
>> friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the  
>> engine just
>> pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no  
>> longer being
>> told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car  
>> runs off
>> the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for  
>> an hour or
>> so.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
>> Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>>
>>
>>> Hi @ all,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
>>> But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint  
>>> alternator to the
>>> car?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
>>> To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
>>> Subject: Sprint Alternator
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Paul,
>>>
>>> I'm Chris from Germany.
>>> I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as  
>>> mentioned at
>>> Kas
>>> book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
>>> If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the  
>>> amperemeter
>>> shows -5A.
>>>
>>> What trick is needed to install the alternator?
>>> At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
>>> The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the  
>>> switched
>>> (+).
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> PS: Thanks in advance for help.
>>>
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>>> a name of
>>> 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Tue May 29 17:31:05 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:31:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>

Bill,
Thanks for the camera info.  Unfortunately, I got maybe 5 times this amount
invested in a Cannon digital with a hard drive that plays beautiful with
direct connection to my TV and digital projector.  The problem is that it
keeps turning itself off after a few seconds into an autocross.  I have it
mounted on my bumper support on the passenger side of the car with regular
hard tripod mounting system.  (I wanted to be safe you know).  Do you think
vibration is the culprit here?  It runs great as long as I'm holding it. It
was really embarrassing at our regional event when I thought my first
capture of my first run from my low slung mounted bumper camera would show
how exciting the almost 1 mile long autocross was....but alas...it recorded
only my take off.  My old analog Sony with a super8 tape recorded an
autocross better.  This Cannon is light and takes great movies and stills.
Do you think I need to mount it in foam and duct tape it to the bumper?  

Don W. Carter, AIA
Carter Design Associates
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Houston, Texas 77057
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:44 AM
To: Geoffrey Byrne
Cc: Friends of Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Video for in car filming


If you don't already have a video camera I suggest one of the new  
self contained helmet cams. They're cheap ($150 US) they record for a  
long time on 2GB SD cards, and they have auto focus and auto  
contrast. The Oregon Scientific bullet style camera is the best  
format but their customer service sucks and they have some issues  
with vibration affecting the SD card connection. You can fix it with  
a piece of foam earplug wedged in the holder, but you might not like  
that kind of bodge. There's also a tiny waterproof camera you can  
probably get at surf shops that's got a better lens and is more  
reliable I think they're called Sport Cam.

These cameras are so small and light that mounting them can be a  
matter of using the straps they provide with duct tape for  
reinforcement. You can helmet mount them or stick them on the roll  
bar. They are light enough that vibration doesn't seem to be much of  
a problem.

If you have a videocamera already, especially one with image  
stabilization, then you can just use a commercially available mount.  
I don't remember the name of mine--something with "Zero" in the name.  
It has a urethane vibration damper and clamps to the roll bar. Make  
sure you rig a safety strap in case the mount fails. Not only will it  
save your camera but it will also prevent FOD to the car behind you.  
I also tape a bit of tearoff shield across the lens to prevent high  
speed gook from damaging the lens. I do the same with the little  
sportcams.

Guys that get serious have bullet cameras feeding a tapeless recorder  
(using SD cards) and some have switchable or dual feeds. You can  
easily spend several thousand bucks on this, and you can duplicate  
the results with two $150 SportCams, though the quality might not be  
as high. Most of this stuff winds up on the web at low res anyway.  
The sportcams do 640 X 480 resolution at 30 or 15 FPS, which is  
better than anyone that isn't broadcasting needs.


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On May 29, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Geoffrey Byrne wrote:

> Friends
> What advice would you give on choice of a video camera for in car
> filming also
> mounting arrangement to minimise shake
> Geoff Byrne
> TR6 Racer Down Under
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Sun May 27 08:42:59 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
Message-ID: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

My TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track days at
Beaverun. Track time on a track day is as much as at a normal vintage race
weekend. Otherwise just road use.
I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
I put Richard Good's 165 roller rockers on last summer which increased the
lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
.480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
Advice solicited and happily accepted.
Bruce Stutzman


From jeffj at centuryrefining.com  Tue May 29 13:35:56 2007
From: jeffj at centuryrefining.com (Jeff Johnk)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:35:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
Message-ID: <003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>

Hi MOTRAH racers,
    I am FINALLY getting a chance to say thanks to all the race participants
of MOTRAH. The Healey guys had a great time mixing it up with the Triumphs and
Morgan's. Personally I had several good dices with Triumphs, especially with
Tony Drew. Can that boy drive! I did all the math: He has 2138 cc's and four
cylinders, I have 2920 cc's and six cylinders yet he kicked my butt in the
straights.... in the corners... under braking... pretty much everywhere! Big
Healy's do not slow down well and I knew I was losing a lot of time to him
under braking so I tried to brake later and deeper as the MOTRAH race
progressed, especially into Canada corner he always managed to be right on my
trunk handle at Canada corner. On about lap 3, I knew I had to pull all the
stops out so I mustered my courage(by closing my eyes), kept my right foot
planted on the gas and waited to brake until I saw the good Lord (as they
say), than waited until I saw the Devil, than until I smelled fire and
brimstone(actually it was my brand new Hosiers flat spotting) AND STILL Tony
appeared on the inside and eventually passed me. WHAT a great driver Tony is!
Great Fun!
    I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been circulating, that
is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. This
is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
 it was $20.
    Had a great time racing with you all and looking forward to racing with
you all in the future. See you at the KIC!
        Healey 28,
            Jeff Johnk
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: N197TR4 at cs.com
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Cc: seanax at iowalaser.com ; jeffj at centuryrefining.com
  Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:37 AM
  Subject: MOTRAH-007 aftermath


  FOT,

  On a personal level, this event was a smashing success for Alexander Racing.
We were surrounded by more friends and family than we could count, and
everyone was a pleasure to be with. Grandkids, Roasting Marshmellows, Files &
Company, The FOT, Kas & Peg, Nephew & Wife, Fiance Jan...until June 2nd, that
is.

  Sean made his 2007 RA debut, after a year's absence, with our #197 TR4 and
went sub 3.00  (2:58) by Sunday. That's our target, although with a little
more tweaking with carbs and such, there is a 2:55 in there somewhere.

  Sean's dice with Gentleman John James was a joy to watch from the sidelines.
We are pleased that he came out from Seattle and did so well. Jack & Joe
invested some time in John James, early on, and we are pleased he is doing so
well.

  Special mention to Tony Drews, who seemed to have a flawless weekend.
Additionally he entered the MOTRAH AUTOCROSS  and garnered 2nd fastest time
with his road racing TR4. (Tony was a serious candidate for the coveted ARE
Seiko Chronograph)

  Perseverence is Uncle Jack's middle name. Five Hour Trip home to Geneseo,
rebuilt axle with new R&P, returned  to track, and ran 2:53s.

  More later,

  enuff for the moment.  what's your story?

  Joe


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:02:31 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:02:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
In-Reply-To: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
References: <003b01c7a06d$525eea60$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <20070530120037.562E0187A0A@autox.team.net>

   British  Parts  Northwest  hardness checks their lifters.  They have a
   set  of heavy duty tappets that are coated with something cool and are
   "lightened" for less than a buck more than the stock lifters.
   http://www.bpnorthwest.com/
   Here's their description:
   "These  are  Heavy  Duty  Tappets for a TR3-4A. They are lightened and
   have  an  extra  oil  drilled in the side for extra lubrication. Every
   batch  of tappets are tested when they arrive from the UK. Each tappet
   will  have a minimum hardness of Rockwell 54. The industry standard is
   50  for  tappets.  We have never had a bad batch of tappets like other
   companies  and  never  will  because of our dedication to dealing with
   only quality suppliers. "
   0.480  lift  is  nothing  to sneeze at, and will stress the valvetrain
   more than the stock lift.  Not a bad idea to follow the thread on good
   oil,  maybe  add some STP red or GM's EOS on an oil change to keep the
   ZDDP in the range where the valvetrain doesn't eat itself.
   - Tony Drews
   At 09:42 AM 5/27/2007, Stutzman wrote:

     My  TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track
     days at
     Beaverun.  Track  time  on  a  track  day is as much as at a normal
     vintage race
     weekend. Otherwise just road use.
     I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
     It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
     I  put  Richard  Good's  165  roller  rockers  on last summer which
     increased the
     lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
     Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
     3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
     Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
     .480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
     Advice solicited and happily accepted.
     Bruce Stutzman
     _______________________________________________
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Wed May 30 06:03:40 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:03:40 +0200
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
Message-ID: <005e01c7a2b2$9637b4a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

You might have read my tappet talk mail from the last 3 weeks.
I have let grind my tappets flat because all available tappets are domed and
from my opinion they don't run well on a non-taper lobe cam, as most of the
cams are.

Will be interesting to find out if they will last....

Cheers
Chris

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Tony Drews
  To: chris at tr4-racing.de
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 1:51 PM
  Subject: Fwd: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam




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    My TR4 is a fast road car, not a race car, but I do a lot of track days
at
    Beaverun. Track time on a track day is as much as at a normal vintage
race
    weekend. Otherwise just road use.
    I wiped a couple lobes off my cam.
    It is an Isky 555 with Isky springs, etc. 10 to 1 compression.
    I put Richard Good's 165 roller rockers on last summer which increased
the
    lift from .435 to .480. Easy installation, no coil bind,etc.
    Wasn't long till #3 needed adjusted and adjusted and---
    3 lifters are now concave and badly pockmarked!
    Where can I get lifters that can hold up?
    .480 lift is kid stuff compared to what most of you are running.
    Advice solicited and happily accepted.
    Bruce Stutzman
    _______________________________________________
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:13:23 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH-007 aftermath
In-Reply-To: <003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>
References: <d54.928d343.33847652@cs.com>
	<003901c7a228$942f5530$fb13a8c0@jeffdesktop>
Message-ID: <20070530121128.6D3B7187A3F@autox.team.net>

So THAT explains why every time I came to the grid, they didn't have 
my car on the grid sheets!  I had that consistently in the Motrah 
events (probably because I was hidden in the 3cp, 4, 5 group), but at 
the end that happened for the race in my "normal" group too.  I 
always got times on the result sheet, though.

Jeff, I really enjoyed racing with you.  You are a consistent, and 
safe but aggressive VINTAGE driver.

- Tony

At 02:35 PM 5/29/2007, Jeff Johnk wrote:
>     I would like to clear up one vicious rumor that has been 
> circulating, that
>is the lie that I paid the grid personal $10 to be grid in front of Tony. This
>is absolutely false and an affront to my respect for grid personal.......
>  it was $20.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 06:15:01 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:15:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Video for in car filming
In-Reply-To: <000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>
References: <C56DF8BB-B834-4B69-AE22-F1DA66E54ABC@bnj.com>
	<000001c7a249$6e277360$55e8a8c0@DWC>
Message-ID: <20070530121307.B0236187A6F@autox.team.net>

I had a PVR with a hard drive that I tried using for recording.  I 
had similar luck.  I took it back and replaced it with a DV Camcorder 
(Sony).  That one works flawlessly.  From what I understand, you 
either need a solid state device (uses big SD card instead of hard 
drive), or something that uses tape - the units that record to hard 
drive or DVD are reputed to have problems with vibration.

I use a lipstick camera that feeds into the camcorder.  If you record 
with the camcorder directly (no external camera), I've found that a 
really solid mount helps reduce (but not eliminate) camera shake.

Another potential to think about: I've seen high powered ignition 
system kill camcorders.  If you've got the camera mounted to the 
front of the car, it's possible that the ignition noise when you rev 
it up has a detrimental effect.

- Tony Drews

At 06:31 PM 5/29/2007, Don Carter wrote:
>Bill,
>Thanks for the camera info.  Unfortunately, I got maybe 5 times this amount
>invested in a Cannon digital with a hard drive that plays beautiful with
>direct connection to my TV and digital projector.  The problem is that it
>keeps turning itself off after a few seconds into an autocross.  I have it
>mounted on my bumper support on the passenger side of the car with regular
>hard tripod mounting system.  (I wanted to be safe you know).  Do you think
>vibration is the culprit here?  It runs great as long as I'm holding it. It
>was really embarrassing at our regional event when I thought my first
>capture of my first run from my low slung mounted bumper camera would show
>how exciting the almost 1 mile long autocross was....but alas...it recorded
>only my take off.  My old analog Sony with a super8 tape recorded an
>autocross better.  This Cannon is light and takes great movies and stills.
>Do you think I need to mount it in foam and duct tape it to the bumper?
>
>Don W. Carter, AIA
>Carter Design Associates
>6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
>Houston, Texas 77057
>(713) 529-2288 Telephone
>(713) 789-2330 Fax
>don at carterdesignassociates.com


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed May 30 06:52:36 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:52:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Shirts and Power Vented Helmets
Message-ID: <001e01c7a2b9$66841490$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Anyone have any experience with these? after just spending a hot, sunny
weekend at the track in a dark green coupe, I am very interested in the power
vented helmets hooked up to cold air.  I think if my head is cool the rest of
me will be comfortable, and I don't like the idea of the water shirt under a
nomex suit.  What's in those "coolers" - is it an air to water heat exchanger,
or just air getting drawn over ice water?  Baffles? Could I make one?
Feedback much appreciated!


From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed May 30 08:15:13 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:15:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Motrah 007 results
Message-ID: <20070530141325.2AE95187AB7@autox.team.net>

Race results from the Motrah weekend have been posted to the SVRA website.

http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.nsf/weblinks/EJEN-6VFQX9?OpenDocument

- Tony


From mattspit at att.net  Wed May 30 14:19:23 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:19:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] advice on selling spitfire
Message-ID: <053020072019.19223.465DDC4B00096DB500004B1721603763169B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

I have a 1974? square tail 1500 spitfire    SCCA FP
I am past my prime and the car needs a new driver.
Selling car, trailer, tow car, parts, etc.
I am going to run an add in Sports car and the Houston SCCA newletter 
Is there an on line site that would be good to list it in.
any other sugestions appreciated.

Thanks
Matt Matthews


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Wed May 30 14:44:12 2007
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:44:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] test
Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C8@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Message delivery


From deanesr at uncw.edu  Wed May 30 14:50:45 2007
From: deanesr at uncw.edu (Deanes, Robert)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:50:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VIR Gold Cup Races
Message-ID: <46F56ACD52BC5F4F911EF9C4264FB4640CF745C9@UNCWMAILVS1.dcs.uncw.edu>

Is anyone going to the Gold Cup Races in June that has an (1) extra pit
pass, will be there from Thursday till Sunday night, will help with what
ever is needed, want have my "4" ready for the race but want to help
where needed.


From billb at bnj.com  Wed May 30 20:29:11 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:29:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VIR Gold Cup Races
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I'll have extra spots Robert, unless they require Sam the Gay Dog to  
sign up. I suspect if you just give them my name you can claim an  
empty slot. Its highly unlikely that I'll remember to put you on the  
list--things that people tell me fifteen minutes before are usually  
lost forever in the vacuum in my head.
Bill Babcock
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On May 30, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Deanes, Robert wrote:

> Is anyone going to the Gold Cup Races in June that has an (1) extra  
> pit
> pass, will be there from Thursday till Sunday night, will help with  
> what
> ever is needed, want have my "4" ready for the race but want to help
> where needed.
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From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Wed May 30 20:32:53 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:32:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <cd3.12871d2d.338da4d9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c7a32b$fdd20830$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>

I'm in.  If the car is done by 2008!  Sorry, at this time, I'm not able to 
help organize.  When the time gets closer is another story.

Todd Redmond


----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner 
Cup..Decision Time!!!


> List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
>
> There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides 
> and
> those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
>
> So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
>
> A few points of information:
>
> The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
>
> Formula 500 is also a featured race.
>
> SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
>
> Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
> the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
>
> OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it. 
> Thanks!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Joe Alexander
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 05:27:43 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:27:43 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
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	<003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>

Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of 
23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which 
takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for 
the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community 
who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.


At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>Tony/Jack,
>
>We need dates.
>
>Jack
>Just SE of Seattle
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>
>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>
>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>still
> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
> >and Tony?
> >So, who else is coming...
> >
> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
> >
> >
> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to Hallett
> >
> >
> >
> >************************************** See what's free at
>http://www.aol.com.
> >_______________________________________________
> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 31 07:55:14 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com><20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net><003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
	<200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <029d01c7a38b$5123a2a0$0502a8c0@desktop>

Jack, can you extend your visit a couple of days?  One of the bigger events 
on the West Coast is the weekend of the 29th through the 1st, the Pacific NW 
Historic races http://www.sovren.org/ .  Most of us TR guys will be getting 
ready and going to the event as well as the club Tyee Triumph 
http://www.tyeetriumph.org/, is usually well represented at this race.
The feature event is Trans Am cars which is great fun as well(bring your 
earplugs).
Hope to see you when you're here and maybe you can make the event.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib at att.net>; "'Tony Drews'" <tony at tonydrews.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH


> Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
> 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
> takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
> the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
> who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>>Tony/Jack,
>>
>>We need dates.
>>
>>Jack
>>Just SE of Seattle
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>
>>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>
>>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>>still
>> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>> >and Tony?
>> >So, who else is coming...
>> >
>> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than to 
>> >Hallett
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >************************************** See what's free at
>>http://www.aol.com.
>> >_______________________________________________
>> >http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> >
>> >Fot mailing list
>> >Fot at autox.team.net
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>
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>
>
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From billb at bnj.com  Thu May 31 08:23:12 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:23:12 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <D239AFF1-659E-4308-9F6E-6D3D1A9D6459@bnj.com>

I was just looking at those dates again. You're going to be there  
during the Pacific NW Historics!!  You and Tony should bring your  
cars and do the race. It's at Pacific Raceways in Kent which is very  
close to Federal Way. It's a big weekend and all the Triumph guys  
will be there. You'd love Pacific Raceway--it's tricky and fun.  Lots  
of elevation changes, compound turns, a long sweeper called Big Indy.  
One of my favorite tracks.

Bill Babcock
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On May 31, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

> Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
> 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
> takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
> the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
> who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>
>
> At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>> Tony/Jack,
>>
>> We need dates.
>>
>> Jack
>> Just SE of Seattle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- 
>> bounces at autox.team.net] On
>> Behalf Of Tony Drews
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>
>> Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>> overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>
>> Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>
>> - Tony
>>
>> At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest  
>>> and east
>>> Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope  
>>> Dennis is
>> still
>>> coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>>> and Tony?
>>> So, who else is coming...
>>>
>>> Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than  
>>> to Hallett
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ************************************** See what's free at
>> http://www.aol.com.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 09:06:25 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:06:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
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Thanks - we can make the 29th but our return planes are all scheduled 
on the 30th. I tried to get a better schedule on the rental place to 
allow us this weekend in Seattle but coulnd't quite pull it off.

At 08:55 AM 5/31/2007, Charly Mitchel wrote:
>Jack, can you extend your visit a couple of days?  One of the bigger 
>events on the West Coast is the weekend of the 29th through the 1st, 
>the Pacific NW Historic races http://www.sovren.org/ .  Most of us 
>TR guys will be getting ready and going to the event as well as the 
>club Tyee Triumph http://www.tyeetriumph.org/, is usually well 
>represented at this race.
>The feature event is Trans Am cars which is great fun as well(bring 
>your earplugs).
>Hope to see you when you're here and maybe you can make the event.
>Charly Mitchel
>TR6 #44
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
>To: "Jack Brooks" <jibjib at att.net>; "'Tony Drews'" 
><tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 4:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>
>
>>Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
>>23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
>>takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
>>the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
>>who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
>>
>>
>>At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
>>>Tony/Jack,
>>>
>>>We need dates.
>>>
>>>Jack
>>>Just SE of Seattle
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
>>>Behalf Of Tony Drews
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
>>>
>>>Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
>>>overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
>>>
>>>Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
>>>
>>>- Tony
>>>
>>>At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> >Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest and east
>>> >Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope Dennis is
>>>still
>>> >coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
>>> >and Tony?
>>> >So, who else is coming...
>>> >
>>> >Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than 
>>> to >Hallett
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>uncle jack
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From kaskas at cox.net  Thu May 31 08:43:58 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 07:43:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
References: <d1d.b246107.338dec23@aol.com><20070529235256.D1364187A36@autox.team.net><003001c7a312$c370b1f0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion><200705311127.l4VBRjNN064482@ns3.geneseo.net>
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That track is just fantastic and I would choose it over Laguna Seca any day.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Jack W. Drews
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH


  I was just looking at those dates again. You're going to be there
  during the Pacific NW Historics!!  You and Tony should bring your
  cars and do the race. It's at Pacific Raceways in Kent which is very
  close to Federal Way. It's a big weekend and all the Triumph guys
  will be there. You'd love Pacific Raceway--it's tricky and fun.  Lots
  of elevation changes, compound turns, a long sweeper called Big Indy.
  One of my favorite tracks.

  Bill Babcock
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  On May 31, 2007, at 4:27 AM, Jack W. Drews wrote:

  > Jack and Tony and significant family members are spending the week of
  > 23 June to 30 June in the Seattle area on family vacation, which
  > takes place every two years. We've rented a house in Federal Way for
  > the duration. We'd love to meet up with anybody in the TR community
  > who won't be out of town for the Thrillah at Millah.
  >
  >
  > At 06:32 PM 5/30/2007, Jack Brooks wrote:
  >> Tony/Jack,
  >>
  >> We need dates.
  >>
  >> Jack
  >> Just SE of Seattle
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-
  >> bounces at autox.team.net] On
  >> Behalf Of Tony Drews
  >> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:55 PM
  >> To: fot at autox.team.net
  >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Meet us at Miller - Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
  >>
  >> Jack and Tony are on a scheduled family vacation in Seattle that
  >> overlaps with the Thriller at Miller, so won't be there.
  >>
  >> Sounds like it's shaping up to be a good event.
  >>
  >> - Tony
  >>
  >> At 03:50 PM 5/29/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
  >>> Joe, That will be wonderful to see you!  How many other Midwest
  >>> and east
  >>> Coast FOT's are coming to play with the Western boys.  I hope
  >>> Dennis is
  >> still
  >>> coming.  Didn't he damage his car recently?  Can you drag along Jack
  >>> and Tony?
  >>> So, who else is coming...
  >>>
  >>> Salt Lake City Utah is about as central US as we're gonna get.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Steve Smith, Towing from Las Vegas.  A lot closer to Miller than
  >>> to Hallett
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> ************************************** See what's free at
  >> http://www.aol.com.
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu May 31 09:57:22 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:57:22 -0400
Subject: [Fot] HELP - I wiped out my cam
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Tony,

I have all my new tappets checked by Steve of Integral Cams. His minimum 
acceptable Rockwell is 58. With that standard, I have had no full set of 8 
pass, including the ones with the "additional hole in the side". I believe 
his current charge for this service is $6 per lifter, including polishing to 
remove the "dimple". Good insurance, regardless of the tappet supplier.

Ed Woods 


From dobrosailor at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 10:11:17 2007
From: dobrosailor at yahoo.com (mark eginton)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
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Message-ID: <949399.48444.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Having cut my teeth on Northern California Tracks and a few Colorado tracks I finally did Watkins Glen 3 weeks ago for the first time. For those that have Watkins "on their list" KEEP IT THERE!!!!
   
  It is extremely exciting and fun - technically challenging, in a high speed way, with the best esses I have ever experienced. With up-hill traction - floor it just before the second apex and drift through the third onto the back straight flat-out WAHOOOOO!!! My Vintage Mustang hit the rev limiter half way down the both straights with 350s ratio rear end (no overdrive) so gear tall. My car never saw second gear after the pits although I redline is set to 6k to favor a stock crank. 
   
  That's the bad news; I heard from a sprite racer in the pits that some smaller car drivers like tighter tracks better. The setting is fabulous, the track is in relatively good condition and run as a first class operation. There are some cement repairs that get your attention if you are on the edge but its easy to see where the line is...
   
  I live in Ithaca 20 minutes away and would love to see you all come out here, feel free to contact me if you want information on the area. 
   
  BTW, I got my TR3 out in the upstate spring and am loving life - great touring here and lots to see. 
   
  Thanks so much to all that assisted me in my quest to breath life back into the old girl. I picked my 75 yr old mother up at the airport in it with the gasket sealer still drying. She bought it 2 yrs old in '59 and got more 1st place trophys racing "powder puff" than my dad did back in the day. Always a point of contention...
   
  Thanks again,
   
  Mark 

       
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu May 31 10:33:23 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (sgroh1 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:33:23 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
Message-ID: <053120071633.20997.465EF8D300014774000052052213539653CE08019D099C@comcast.net>

Joe, Todd and FoT list,

I'm definitely in for the 2008 event.  Will also be arriving trackside early for this year's Zippo with the Spitfire, so if there's interest in FOT paddocking together this year, let me know what areas are prefered and I'll try to get there first.  Garages are way too expensive for me (I'd rather buy a new set of Hoosiers!).

Steve Groh
63 Spitfire
SVRA 393

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Todd Redmond <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
> I'm in.  If the car is done by 2008!  Sorry, at this time, I'm not able to 
> help organize.  When the time gets closer is another story.
> 
> Todd Redmond
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:46 AM
> Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner 
> Cup..Decision Time!!!
> 
> 
> > List:  Response thus far is 100% in support of FOT presence at 2008 Zippo.
> >
> > There are numerous good reasons for doing this. There are a few downsides 
> > and
> > those have been hashed over several times. No need to do more of it.
> >
> > So let's make the final decision,  get behind it, and support it.
> >
> > A few points of information:
> >
> > The MG Collier Cup is a fixture at this event
> >
> > Formula 500 is also a featured race.
> >
> > SVRA wants to know right away so they can include us in their planning.
> >
> > Would anyone be interested in volunteering a leadership role in organizing
> > the FoT portion of the activities? I think we need 'fresh horses'.
> >
> > OK!      Let's have a final show of FOT Hands and get on with it. 
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Joe Alexander
> >
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From Klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu May 31 10:42:27 2007
From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 10:42:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
References: <949399.48444.qm@web90312.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV13AF95D76D52AE6C2CB619B72D0@phx.gbl>

Mark, we'll be thinking of ya' during this weekend's Trans Am race in Pueblo.
Last count shows we've 137 cars all tolled.  Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: mark eginton<mailto:dobrosailor at yahoo.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
Cup..Decision Time!!!


  Having cut my teeth on Northern California Tracks and a few Colorado tracks
I finally did Watkins Glen 3 weeks ago for the first time. For those that have
Watkins "on their list" KEEP IT THERE!!!!

    It is extremely exciting and fun - technically challenging, in a high
speed way, with the best esses I have ever experienced. With up-hill traction
- floor it just before the second apex and drift through the third onto the
back straight flat-out WAHOOOOO!!! My Vintage Mustang hit the rev limiter half
way down the both straights with 350s ratio rear end (no overdrive) so gear
tall. My car never saw second gear after the pits although I redline is set to
6k to favor a stock crank.

    That's the bad news; I heard from a sprite racer in the pits that some
smaller car drivers like tighter tracks better. The setting is fabulous, the
track is in relatively good condition and run as a first class operation.
There are some cement repairs that get your attention if you are on the edge
but its easy to see where the line is...

    I live in Ithaca 20 minutes away and would love to see you all come out
here, feel free to contact me if you want information on the area.

    BTW, I got my TR3 out in the upstate spring and am loving life - great
touring here and lots to see.

    Thanks so much to all that assisted me in my quest to breath life back
into the old girl. I picked my 75 yr old mother up at the airport in it with
the gasket sealer still drying. She bought it 2 yrs old in '59 and got more
1st place trophys racing "powder puff" than my dad did back in the day. Always
a point of contention...

    Thanks again,

    Mark


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From scypher at usa.com  Thu May 31 11:10:36 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:10:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Advice on Selling Spitfire
Message-ID: <20070531171037.39EA8478088@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com>

The prod car site, http://prodracing.com/prodcar/index.php is probably
the best place to start, as well as GrassRoots motor sports magazine
classified. Selfishly, however,I may have found a buyer for my other
spitfire chassis and some spares to a gentlemen who wants to race a
vintage 1500, so now I have room again.  Send me an email at
scypher at usa.com, and we can talk about what you have, I may be
interested. Thanks-Scott


From AA00727 at aol.com  Thu May 31 19:00:56 2007
From: AA00727 at aol.com (AA00727 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:00:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR 3  Emergency Brake Handle
Message-ID: <d36.90ef40c.3390c9c8@aol.com>

Any TR-3 racers have an Emergency Brake handle laying around that is  in good 
shape? I'm restoring a TR for the street.
 Gary Blihovde  



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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu May 31 19:25:42 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:25:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
Message-ID: <200706010125.l511PnJ9277321@ns3.geneseo.net>

Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening 
June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel 
arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get 
the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for 
our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?

uncle jack 



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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Thu May 31 20:56:51 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:56:51 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
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Message-ID: <02fc01c7a3f8$83c08e40$0502a8c0@desktop>

We can almost promise no rain that weekend.  It hardly ever rains the 4th 
holiday weekend, except when it does.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:25 PM
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!


> Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening
> June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel
> arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get
> the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for
> our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From jibjib at att.net  Thu May 31 22:56:11 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:56:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
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> Can you promise that it won't rain?

Not until the 5th of July. . . . 

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:26 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!

Hey, are we glad you guys reminded us that the Big One is happening 
June 29 - July 1. We'll no doubt be there Friday since our travel 
arrangements are to leave on Saturday. I tried, but just oculdn't get 
the arrangements any better. But this will be a perfect ending for 
our vacation. Can you promise that it won't rain?

uncle jack 



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