From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 3 11:46:03 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:46:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Is it alive? Message-ID: <20070303191252.8FEB21879CA@autox.team.net> Just checking to see if the FOT list is back on the air... Mark, we really appreciate you and what you do! - Tony From mjb at autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 12:14:55 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:14:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Nice day Message-ID: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> Lovely weather, too cold for a top down drive, though. Besides, I'm still stuck in the basement chained to my servers. mjb. From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Mar 3 06:40:49 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 08:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net In-Reply-To: <45DF7DAA.6040404@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042DE7@server.Triumph.local> Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: February 23, 2007 6:50 PM > To: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net > > Things are happening, just not sure which direction I'm > going, whether life is getting better of worse. > > Hope I don't drink TOO much at tomorrow's Beach Party. > > > -- > mjb. > > http://fatchancegarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Mar 3 13:28:30 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:28:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice day In-Reply-To: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> References: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070303152451.01df11e0@blacksburg.net> At 02:14 PM 3/3/2007, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: >Lovely weather, too cold for a top down drive, though. >Besides, I'm still stuck in the basement chained to my >servers. > >mjb. While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for lack of team.net mail. Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. Jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 3 15:08:58 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042DE7@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: *Cue Dr. Frankenstein* It's Alive!!!!!!!!! Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Mark J. Bradakis ; fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: February 23, 2007 6:50 PM > To: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net > > Things are happening, just not sure which direction I'm > going, whether life is getting better of worse. > > Hope I don't drink TOO much at tomorrow's Beach Party. > > > -- > mjb. > > http://fatchancegarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrhill at chorus.net Sat Mar 3 15:17:58 2007 From: jrhill at chorus.net (jrhill) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:17:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Is it alive? References: <20070303191252.8FEB21879CA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <00c701c75de1$cec9b9a0$58f80b45@triumph> Tony Drews wrote: > Just checking to see if the FOT list is back on the air... And Henry Frye asked: > Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) Seems to be . . . FOT List: Born December 11th, 1996, when the list first went live on MJB's team-net server. Resurrected March 3, 2007, after a brief illness following its 10th anniversary on the air. Welcome back! Jim Hill From hoosierq at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:16:27 2007 From: hoosierq at gmail.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:16:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Yet another shot in the digital dark Message-ID: <9da98a770703031616p18d4dbaeladfef2c2ed06413d@mail.gmail.com> Slowly getting things back to normal with the dozen or so domains I manage. Trying an FOT message from a temporary Google email account I set up during the crisis. We'll see what happens. mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 3 17:23:45 2007 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:23:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nice day In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070303152451.01df11e0@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <294536.89277.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Isn't all the time a good time for a fund drive? Now my favorite place to lurk and procrastinate is back live. Thanks Mark "J.C. Hassall" wrote: While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for lack of team.net mail. Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. Jim -- --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 3 17:55:40 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:55:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] a Carrillo Rod Message-ID: <366757.14592.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is the last thing that I sent to the FOT - just about the time things went down. Dennis DeLap wrote: Shane - with thinking like this I shouldn't be racing a TR4........ a TR6 perhaps! - just kidding. Anyone out there still run the vintage Carrillo Rods in their TR3 or 4? Dennis SHANE Ingate wrote Then when one of your early-style rods goes south, you'll be cap in hand looking again. Given the price of "reconditioning" your old rods and sourcing a fourth, it will not cost you much more for a new set of four rods. Carrillo are doing you a favor. Shane Ingate, program manager wonk in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 00:12:01 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:12:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator Message-ID: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> I just discovered brake fluid leaking on my garage floor and traced this leak to my TR-6s pressure differential warning actuator. Do I really need this gizmo? I strongly suspect that I would not require a warning lamp to inform me that half of the braking system in my modified Triumph has failed. My bet is that I would quickly notice a partial failure without the red light due to the dramatic reduction in braking power. I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply ordering a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing differential pressure sensor, but I am wondering why I should maintain some gimmick I probably don't need that could potentially fail or leak again. Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 perform some useful function that I don't know about? Has anyone on the list replaced the pressure differential warning indicator with passive connections that tie the front and rear braking circuits to the appropriate halves of the master cylinder? If anyone on the list has recommendations for eliminating the pressure differential warning actuator I would appreciate hearing about how this can safely be accomplished. I am currently leaning towards replacing the differential pressure sensor with double inverted compression flares and the associated brake line splicing hardware. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, CA. --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From wensley at adelphia.net Sun Mar 4 07:05:30 2007 From: wensley at adelphia.net (Craig) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice day References: <294536.89277.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c75e66$2b0ac630$0300a8c0@Desktop> Its got to be time for one What do you guys think $5 or $10 from all of us? Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Husmann" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice day > Isn't all the time a good time for a fund drive? > > Now my favorite place to lurk and procrastinate is back live. > > Thanks Mark > > > "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > > While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a > Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I > think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for > lack of team.net mail. > > Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. > > Jim > -- > > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sun Mar 4 07:25:06 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 06:25:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator In-Reply-To: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I strongly suspect that I would not require > a warning lamp to inform me that half of the braking system in my > modified Triumph has failed. You would think so, but I recently bought a Triumph Stag whose rear brakes didn't work; and didn't realize it from a test drive. Didn't discover the problem until they locked up several hours down the road (towards home); but subsequent investigation showed they had not been working for a long time. > I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply > ordering a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing > differential pressure sensor, Not necessarily, some rebuild kits are NLA. > Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 > perform some useful function that I don't know about? Nope, all it does is run that red light on the dash and serve as a connector between the lines. Randall From markjwea at msn.com Sun Mar 4 12:49:39 2007 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:49:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator In-Reply-To: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I eliminated mine a long time ago by plumbing without this manifold. I was tired of resetting it when I bled brakes. Mark Weathers >From: Jim Prettyleaf >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:12:01 -0800 (PST) > > I just discovered brake fluid leaking on my garage floor and traced this >leak to my TR-6s pressure differential warning actuator. Do I really need >this gizmo? I strongly suspect that I would not require a warning lamp to >inform me that half of the braking system in my modified Triumph has >failed. My bet is that I would quickly notice a partial failure without >the red light due to the dramatic reduction in braking power. > > I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply ordering >a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing differential pressure >sensor, but I am wondering why I should maintain some gimmick I probably >don't need that could potentially fail or leak again. > > Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 perform >some useful function that I don't know about? > > Has anyone on the list replaced the pressure differential warning >indicator with passive connections that tie the front and rear braking >circuits to the appropriate halves of the master cylinder? > > If anyone on the list has recommendations for eliminating the pressure >differential warning actuator I would appreciate hearing about how this can >safely be accomplished. I am currently leaning towards replacing the >differential pressure sensor with double inverted compression flares and >the associated brake line splicing hardware. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino, CA. > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Mar 4 14:53:00 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: Message-ID: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> test From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 4 17:40:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:40:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: Looks like we're back in biz. congratulations Mark. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour -- touring and racing classic North American tracks in a custom Airstream trailer. Ponohouse -- living and playing in Maui. Via RSS Ponohouse AllAluminumTour On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > test > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Mar 5 13:56:08 2007 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:56:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi Here is the email For Zach and Tim Fountaine that were nominated and seconded into our group Zach is my student here at Wyotech and is building a F/P Spitfire in my class thanks Rick Junkermeier zfountaineARE at bresnan.net From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Mar 5 16:54:04 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:54:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the auotx lists. Thought I'd try a test. Joe Guinan 751 Day Drive Fremont, NE 68025 Home Phone - 402-727-8011 joeg at neb.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 5 20:15:52 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:15:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Test In-Reply-To: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <1016F120-8CF9-4825-A3A3-01379E0D7E3A@bnj.com> works. Seems like we're back in biz. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the > auotx > lists. Thought I'd try a test. > > Joe Guinan > 751 Day Drive > Fremont, NE 68025 > Home Phone - 402-727-8011 > joeg at neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Mar 5 20:22:19 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FREE body panels Message-ID: <565806.3966.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List: I am cleaning out the excess stuff from the shop and have a pile of TR2,3,3A boot lids and a bonnet that are free for any lister that needs them. They include two TR2 boot lids, a TR3 boot lid, and a post 60000 TR3A boot lid. All have surface rust...I don't believe any have rust through. The bonnet is a pre-60000 bonnet. I seem to remember it being a rolled rear edge model. It too has lots of surface rust, but no rust through. These are free to anyone that picks them up or pays shipping. I want them to find a new home soon, and I hate for it to be the scrapper. This is your chance to own original British rust at a fraction of the cost of scrap! Get while it lasts...before it reverts back to it's natural state! Thanks - Ed From tr5racer at btinternet.com Tue Mar 6 07:41:44 2007 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Sebring 12 hrs 1966 Message-ID: <20070306144144.86539.qmail@web86614.mail.ird.yahoo.com> JOSEPH HUGHES wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: JOSEPH HUGHES Subject: Sebring 12 hrs 1966 To: Friends of Triumph While recently reading through the official 12 Hours of Sebring book that I purchased several years ago whilst visiting the circuit, I notice that in the results for the 1966 race Bob Tullius and Charlie Gates were entered in what was described in the book as a Triumph TR4A prototype. The car failed to finish retiring with fuel problems after 47 laps. This is not a car I have heard mention of before.It was clearly not a prototype of the TR4A model that appeared in 1965 so I am intrigued to know what exactly it was! Mike Hughes UK --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 6 09:12:29 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Amici: After all the hard work he has done, I hate to burden Mark with another name to add, but I would like to nominate Greg Blake ablake2 at austin.rr.com for inclusion in the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. I haven't met Greg in person. He has been posting questions about preparing his TR3 for vintage racing on the Racing Forum on British Car Forum. The responses to his questions have been very sparse. I have tried to answer, but my knowledge is insufficient. I thought that Greg would get more information if he could post his questions to FoT. Also, I have a soft spot for vintage racing TR3s! Here's a little bio Greg sent me: My family has owned the car I am rebuilding since I was about 10. It is a 1958 TR3A. My Dad purchased it originally to rebuild it with my brother but he never showed interest. My buddy and I rolled it in the garage one day and took all interior and all body panels off. When Dad got home he told me I could have it if I would put it back together with him. That was 1985. Neither my Dad nor I had ever rebuilt a car before so it was more like a refurbishment. I got it running by age 16 and drove it all through high school and college. By the end of college it was getting pretty bad again. The rust we thought we had taken care of was back. So it went into storage for another 10 years. While I was in high school and college, I autocrossed the car in Mineral wells, Bedford, and College Station TX. At my first autocross, I decided that I would try club racing some day when I had the time to build a car. I tore the car down to the frame back in 2004 and discovered several issues. I started looking for a donor frame and found a TR4 frame in my area. I decided to build a TR3 Beta. The intent of this restoration is to be able to race with the Corinthians once completed. I would appreciate the nomination. Bob Kramer has told me about the listing before, it sounds like a good resource. Forgot to mention, in that 10 year storage period I found my self lost. I bought a 260Z and prepared it for SSCA BSP Solo II. Also a $100 Spec RX-7 somewhere along the way. Luckily I found my way back... Can I have a second, please? John H. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Mar 6 10:05:37 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:05:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Mar 6 10:47:24 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:47:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> References: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882084FE48F@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Larry, Shame on me for not getting Greg on the list. He is in my local club and the 2 of us built his differential not that long ago. He lives in Lakeway, not that far from me. Have you checked the CVAR Group lately? Some guys have been wondering about how you are doing, me included. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Mar 6 10:49:11 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:49:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <000601c76017$bf4acf32$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I happily second the nomination, sounds like our kind of nutcase... But I hope someone with CVAR signs off on the frame replacement. Building a widetrack TR3 is likely to be frowned upon by most, if not all Vintage Racing organizations! Welcome aboard. Henry Frye Sent from my Treo PDA -----Original Message----- I tore the car down to the frame back in 2004 and discovered several issues. I started looking for a donor frame and found a TR4 frame in my area. I decided to build a TR3 Beta. The intent of this restoration is to be able to race with the Corinthians once completed. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Mar 6 10:56:33 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:56:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lexington, KY area part pick-up/storage help needed Message-ID: Is there anyone in the Lexington, KY area that could possibly help me out. I have a hood and air dam for a spitfire that can be brought up there on Saturday. Problem for me is I don't get back from my business trip until Sat. at 4 and it's a 6 hour drive. The hood and air dam will fit into the back of a full size pick-up truck. I might be able to get down sunday to pick it up...longest it would sit is a week from sunday. anyone? aaron From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 6 11:08:31 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Jethot headers Message-ID: <320494.1999.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List: I had a customer ask me if it was wrong to break-in his engine with the Jethotted headers installed. Or, if the headers themselves had a particular break-in method. I had to admit ignorance on the subject, and had never really dwelled on it in the past. I've always just installed and ran. His thoughts are that it will hold in too much heat during this critical time. Is there anyone in the group that knows of a particular procedure? Thanks for all advice - Ed From chris at tr4-racing.de Wed Mar 7 05:03:27 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:03:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <001f01c760b0$9e22a650$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> No messages on FOT? Hey, wake up! From sbarr at mccarty-law.com Wed Mar 7 05:08:59 2007 From: sbarr at mccarty-law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEA10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a drastically overweight Spitfire? Scott B. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 7 07:05:05 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:05:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEA10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002001c760c1$9bbf2b20$84fea8c0@shop> Scott, At a car show in Phoenix last Sunday I learned from a guy there that Rimmer is now selling new ones. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? > OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) > > I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the > engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does > anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a > drastically overweight Spitfire? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Mar 7 11:01:35 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tranny case locating dowels on at TR6 Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I am about to rebuild a tranny again out of a TR6 that has had chronic tophat bush issues. The clutch works fine in reverse, first and forth but don't dare try and downshift to second. That's a pretty common problem, but one I've never had on the many trannies I have rebuilt in any other car. I swapped the original problematic one for another that I rebuilt and it quickly broke the tophat bush too. When I removed it last night I noticed that the locating dowels are missing. I have heard that this causes ckutch problems. Does it also cause this type of tranny issue? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From triumph_marx at freenet.de Wed Mar 7 13:13:09 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:13:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <001f01c760b0$9e22a650$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <002001c760f2$ea05f6c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Message-ID: <002001c760f5$070e9a40$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Maybe I get my mail back with the old address? If not....please help! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] test > > > > No messages on FOT? > > > > Hey, wake up! > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dodo at texas.net Wed Mar 7 14:21:04 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:21:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Message-ID: <000401c760fe$84ac1be0$4101a8c0@ZAP> I am looking to install a fuel cell in my 62 Mk1. I am leaning towards the 15 gal Fuel Safe Enduro (p/n ED115A). Has anybody had any experience installing this cell in a Spit? Any other cell I should look at? Thanx Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (race San Antonio, TX From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 7 14:31:04 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:31:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: <000401c760fe$84ac1be0$4101a8c0@ZAP> Message-ID: Hi, I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". So - how about a survey? example: Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 7 14:39:43 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:39:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then there are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so what's wrong with it? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku Thanks Paul From gp89 at charter.net Wed Mar 7 15:22:24 2007 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:22:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? Message-ID: <1244366136.1173306144485.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Gee Scott I"ll bet we could dust one off and see if it has your name on it. Is this for the 1300 or the1500? Jeff Senty Gp89blue ---- "Barr wrote: > OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) > > I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the > engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does > anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a > drastically overweight Spitfire? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 15:36:44 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: Message-ID: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> The Summit cell is not FIA-FT3 rated and SCCA and others won't accept it. Fuel Safe now owns ATL as well. I went with the Fuelsafe Sportsman - the soft bladder is safer, even if it is more expensive, and ov course the aluminum box to keep weight down. It pays to shop around to different distributors - I found a local circle track guy who ordered the one I wanted for about $75 less than the major distributors wanted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then > there > are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. > > However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so > what's > wrong with it? > > > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& > N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Mar 7 16:26:04 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:26:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days Message-ID: <008b01c7610f$f9ef6d10$2002a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days Spring is just around the corner, and all racers of Triumphs, and Triumph powered cars, are invited to join your fellow Triumph Racers at the VDCA's 5th Annual Wild Hare Run, held at Virginia International Raceway on April 13th through the 15th. VDCA provides a tremendous amount of track time that includes the normal two sessions per day plus a gimmick race on Friday and an Enduro on Sunday. Their entry fee is all-inclusive and for this years race weekend is $350 for VDCA members if recieved by 4/1.. In addition to the great racing on this historic, and challenging, track, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton and Leo Oddi, will sponsor the "First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days". This event-within-an-event will include several activities open only to Triumph Racers. They are: * A Thursday evening reception * A highly prestigious trophy for the top finishing Triumph in Friday's pursuit race, The Wild Hare Run * An "Awards and War Stories" cookout on Friday evening Now's the time to shake out the cobwebs and get ready for the 2007 season. Come and enjoy great racing and the extra perks due all racers of the marque. Check out the VDCA site for more details and your entry form. http://www.vintagedrive.com/. For any F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D specific questions, contact: Leo Oddi http://loddtr at aol.com/ Dean Tetterton Richtr at erols.com Don Marshall marshall at nefcom.com From richtr at erols.com Wed Mar 7 17:15:48 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c76116$edd87830$abc69804@Dean44> TR3A Fuel Safe 8gal Warwick GT Fuel Safe 8gal Dean Tetterton -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:31 PM To: Robert D. MacKenzie Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Hi, I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". So - how about a survey? example: Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). rml ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 17:46:09 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:46:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: <000001c76116$edd87830$abc69804@Dean44> Message-ID: <000f01c7611b$2b0927a0$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> 63 Spitfire Fuel Safe 8 gal Great install Steve Groh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Tetterton" To: "'Robert M. Lang'" ; "'Robert D. MacKenzie'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > TR3A Fuel Safe 8gal > Warwick GT Fuel Safe 8gal > > Dean Tetterton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert M. Lang > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:31 PM > To: Robert D. MacKenzie > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > > Hi, > > I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. > > I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon > Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that > vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is > 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". > > So - how about a survey? > > example: > > Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity > TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal > > > reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. > > At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps > at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or > numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). > > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 7 19:51:05 2007 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <45EF7A19.8010305@charter.net> Scott Janzen wrote: > The Summit cell is not FIA-FT3 rated and SCCA and others won't accept it. > Fuel Safe now owns ATL as well. I went with the Fuelsafe Sportsman - the > soft bladder is safer, even if it is more expensive, and ov course the > aluminum box to keep weight down. It pays to shop around to different > distributors - I found a local circle track guy who ordered the one I wanted > for about $75 less than the major distributors wanted. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > > > >> When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then >> there >> are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. >> >> However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so >> what's >> wrong with it? >> >> >> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& >> N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > I bought an Fuel Safe Cell last fall from Racer Wholesale for ~$5-600. They had the best price at the time. You can check out the dimensions and prices on there website. It has a steel box and is FIA rated. It it's a nice fit for my 73 Spitfire. Glenn Franco 73 Spitfire race car 60% complete From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 7 21:17:02 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:17:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0314708C-7CED-4748-AA8E-F2CEA02A9D5E@bnj.com> It says plastic bladder. I don't know what that means. Usually good fuel cells have a cloth reinforced rubber bladder. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and > then there > are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. > > However, the following cell seems to have all the > prerequisites...so what's > wrong with it? > > > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM% > 2D290115& > N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 7 21:14:30 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:14:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705E007C-E0DB-42A9-ACFA-BDF9F1074DB6@bnj.com> Peyote -- fuel safe- 12 gallon Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. > > I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 > gallon > Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand > that > vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity > which is > 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". > > So - how about a survey? > > example: > > Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity > TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal > > > reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. > > At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 > laps > at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or > numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress > (again). > > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 04:13:49 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Message-ID: I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman 15 gallon, steel, that fits in the spare-wheel area of the TR6. 15 gallons? Remember, I'm building the car for rallys as well. I chose steel rather than aluminum because in the event of a rear-ender, I believe torn aluminum sheet is sharper than steel and more likely to tear the bladder. I run 2 pickups on either side of the cell. Shane Ingate in Md _________________________________________________________________ Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18226&moid=7581 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 8 15:17:35 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] one pair of aluminum hubs Message-ID: <200703082217.l28MHfOK443604@ns3.geneseo.net> I find that Southwick has one pair of aluminum hubs with special studs ordered by a customer who later changed his mind. The studs are 1/2" diameter and 3" long. Does anybody need a set of this configuration? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Mar 8 16:23:10 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:23:10 EST Subject: [Fot] TESt - Delete Message-ID: ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Mar 8 17:42:03 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:42:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: Message-ID: <008901c761e3$c218e3b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> 1961 TR-4 ATL SP-112 12 Gallon 20 Gauge steel container FIA FT-3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHANE Ingate" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices >I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman 15 gallon, steel, that fits > in the spare-wheel area of the TR6. > > 15 gallons? Remember, I'm building the car for > rallys as well. I chose steel rather than aluminum > because in the event of a rear-ender, I believe > torn aluminum sheet is sharper than steel and more > likely to tear the bladder. > > I run 2 pickups on either side of the cell. > > Shane Ingate in Md > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18226&moid=7581 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 8 21:24:42 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Thanks! From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 01:18:55 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:18:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Mar 9 06:12:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:12:20 EST Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: Joe (G) I got your test...are we back? Joe (A) > Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the auotx > lists. Thought I'd try a test. > > Joe Guinan > 751 Day Drive > Fremont, NE 68025 > Home Phone - 402-727-8011 > joeg at neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 06:45:33 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet & frame for sale Message-ID: <000601c76251$3634ee20$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Fellow Spitfire owners: Mk I/II Steel Bonnet, soda cleaned, ready for restoration, photos available, $250 Mk I/II Frame, very straight, great platform for Spitfire restoration, photos available, $250 Both in Annapolis, MD Steve Groh 410-322-9047 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 9 07:01:02 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:01:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ning network In-Reply-To: References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20070309140122.3C3CB187A31@autox.team.net> Very cool. Now I have an excuse for being late to work this am... - Tony At 02:18 AM 3/9/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have >set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- >you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I >feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT >will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants >to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your >race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. > >I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed >this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure >Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency From mjb at autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:21:05 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:21:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: (message from Bill Babcock on Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:18:55 -1000) References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> >you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >friends, there's a forum, etc. Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local for a couple of years now. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 10:27:21 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:27:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ning network In-Reply-To: <20070309140117.BB44B284B7@mxfilter.bnj.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309140117.BB44B284B7@mxfilter.bnj.com> Message-ID: Yup, it's a time waster. But very useful. I've got a bunch of cool videos to upload when I have the chance, It doesn't make sense to restrict the site to active vintage racers, or even just Triumph guys, because there's no email unless set it up to deliver notifications to you, so if there's anyone you want to invite, have at it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:01 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Very cool. Now I have an excuse for being late to work this am... > > - Tony > > At 02:18 AM 3/9/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >> In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have >> set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- >> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >> friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I >> feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT >> will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants >> to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your >> race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. >> >> I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed >> this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure >> Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. >> >> Bill Babcock >> billb at bnj.com >> bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 10:31:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:31:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> Really! I'm as guilty as anyone else of pigeonholing the capabilities of the things I use all the time, I just think of the FOT as email. Just like I don't use my cell phone as a camera even though it is. I'll take a look at it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: >> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >> friends, there's a forum, etc. > > Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local > for a couple of years now. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 11:19:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:19:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <834E9564-25E5-4A72-A60C-C99020EF5E61@bnj.com> Very cool capabilities, but a lot more intimidating. I think the way services like Myspace grow so huge is that they are extremely easy to use even if they don't have all the capability the system you put up has. Myspace has 150 million users now--that's the population of the twenty largest cities on earth combined. I love the idea of a wiki for vintage racing--could be a huge repository of information, especially the questions that get asked and answered again and again. Unfortunately all those experts would have to actually USE it. You could easily imagine all the content of Kas's books, everything anyone knows about plumbing, suspension, transmissions, special tools, alternate ways of doing things, tweaks, etc. all in one place, editable and upgradeable by everyone. But it would take a pretty dedicated group of people to make it happen. Just cutting and pasting answers from existing email would be a great start but a lot of work. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Really! I'm as guilty as anyone else of pigeonholing the capabilities > of the things I use all the time, I just think of the FOT as email. > Just like I don't use my cell phone as a camera even though it is. > I'll take a look at it. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > >>> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >>> friends, there's a forum, etc. >> >> Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local >> for a couple of years now. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Mar 9 11:52:27 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <000201c7627c$13fa00ac$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Geez, Bill, if this nirvana of all things Vintage Racing actually existed, what would we all talk about? Henry Frye Sent from my Treo PDA I love the idea of a wiki for vintage racing--could be a huge repository of information, especially the questions that get asked From Don at carterdesignassociates.com Fri Mar 9 13:43:33 2007 From: Don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Message-ID: Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Mar 9 14:47:00 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Message-ID: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> I am wearing JEANS and that blew my skirt up!!!!!! Holy COW!!! I am EXTREMELY jealous! I loved his crack about Michael Schumacher retiring because he realized he was slower than him. :) Thanks for sharing, Don! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Don Carter Don at carterdesignassociates.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Mar 9 15:00:42 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:00:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transportation needed Message-ID: <20070309220118.DEFC4187A9F@autox.team.net> I could use some help in transporting a 1.5 liter Spitfire longblock from the San Diego, Calif area to Albuquerque, NM I will gladly pay gas money etc. for this assistance. As Always, Thanks, Walt Hollowell From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 9 15:40:18 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times the retail price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to develop that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I know in the German government. It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the world under their umbrella. My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Carter To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 15:49:36 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:49:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: <001501c7629d$3740f560$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> I'm with you Terry - I've owned a Ferrari, and it was the best car I've ever owned, and oh-so-beautiful, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Don Carter" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times the > retail > price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to develop > that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I know > in > the German government. > > It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the world > under > their umbrella. > > My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? > > Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... > > > Terry Stetler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Carter > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > om>> > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run > ... > > > > > ://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed>> > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed> > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > > tp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redi> > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > .com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Mar 9 18:04:36 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you >have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), >figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and >found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The >manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one >of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will >offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the >ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Scott I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From mwpruitt at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 18:57:48 2007 From: mwpruitt at comcast.net (Mark Pruitt) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c762b7$8788dfa0$6700a8c0@dellp4> That blew my hair back.... But wait, I don't have any hair! :-) That was awesome! Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Carter Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:44 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 9 20:24:13 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ultimate Simulator Message-ID: Here is a cross-post from another list http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fom_Bx9pX0 Paul From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:07:31 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:07:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <158BDF5D-DBEA-4B8C-9C70-37FA6498DD5D@bnj.com> Diane recently bought a used Bentley Continental Flying Spur (or maybe that was pre-owned). It clearly demonstrates that Volkswagen is into making statements. 195 MPH with a four door sedan. It is a wonderful car, she'll probably own it the rest of her life. Did anybody read that great article recently about Phil Hill and the car his aunt had when he was a kid. He restored it and won at Pebble with it ages ago. I hear that Phil isn't doing so well. great guys like that you just want them to be around forever. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times > the retail > price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to > develop > that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I > know in > the German government. > > It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the > world under > their umbrella. > > My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? > > Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... > > > Terry Stetler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Carter > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > es.c > om>> > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed > run > ... > > > > speed ://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed>> > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top- > speed www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed> > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free > from AOL at > aol?redi tp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redi> > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > www.incredimail > .com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:02:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:02:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Wow. I'd like to do that please. The most interesting part was how composed the car was. At near 200 MPH if you just lift the throttle suddenly you can spin. Jay Leno did it. Clearly the engineering in the car prevents that. Probaly mostly flying on the computer. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:47 AM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > I am wearing JEANS and that blew my skirt up!!!!!! > > Holy COW!!! I am EXTREMELY jealous! > > I loved his crack about Michael Schumacher retiring because he > realized he > was slower than him. :) > > Thanks for sharing, Don! > > Susan :) > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Don Carter Don at carterdesignassociates.com > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run > ... > > > > speed> > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > redi > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:10:04 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:10:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <6C313C94-5053-4AB3-B767-CDF507027244@bnj.com> I used my fairly ordinary press to do it with many hubs. the trick is (as always with tapered fit devices) put a lot of oomph on it and then strike it smartly on the side of the joint. Watch your toes and shins. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:04 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >> Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure >> many of you >> have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 >> TR4 (#445), >> figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear >> drums and >> found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear >> seals. The >> manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 >> come with one >> of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >> Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels >> that will >> offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to >> replace the >> ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. > Scott > > I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I > took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) > suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs > were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave > up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 > bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. > > hth > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > jhassall at blacksburg.net > '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sat Mar 10 07:29:21 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BA@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> That has to be the singularly most exciting clip I have ever seen. My adrenaline is up. I do however have to respectfully rebutt the ugly statement. I thought it was very cool looking but hey, I drive a TR3... I want that guys job!!! M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Don Carter Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 3:43 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sat Mar 10 09:04:02 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking up Russ Moore in upstate NY References: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BA@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Joe referred me to you; "is in Brooktondale and is on the list...mostly lurking". I drive through Brooktondale when I take the long way home from work. Heard you may be able to help me with an issue. Thanks, Mark ________________________________ From dave at microworks.net Sat Mar 10 14:45:00 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphest 2007 Message-ID: <20070310215250.SOCB3546.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Anyone on the list planning or thinking about attending Triumphest this Fall? http://www.triumphest.com Of course my personal favorite of the Photos in the Gallery from the last Triumphest that DCTRA hosted has to be (I have the original cropped and blown up to 36" x 19" and hanging in my garage: http://www.triumphest.com/?page_id=11&path=TFest2002/Nuss/disk1&f=MVC-019S.JPG From LOddTR at aol.com Sat Mar 10 16:03:43 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:03:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Please add the Google group to your "send to" list Message-ID: A number of FOT'ers have not been able to receive mail through the team.net server. Google groups is working fine so please add that address if you originate a message and hit "reply to all" if responding. That will help those of us in withdrawal to get our fix. _FOT- at Googlegroups.com_ (FOT- at Googlegroups.com) Leo Oddi


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 18:40:23 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:40:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very limited after the taper releases. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino , California TR-6 Comm # 55432L --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. From billsohl at optonline.net Mon Mar 5 12:04:04 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New email address - FOTer Bill Sohl In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <878372C8595B41DCB2684F9F412609F7@SohlPC> FYI to all, especially MKB... New email address for Bill Sohl is: billsohl at optonline.net Old domain was mindspring.com Thanks, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] test > Looks like we're back in biz. congratulations Mark. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > Subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour -- touring and racing classic North American > tracks in a custom Airstream trailer. > Ponohouse -- living and playing in Maui. > > Via RSS > Ponohouse > AllAluminumTour > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > >> test >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 11 06:18:15 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F40197.80007@pobox.com> Jim, That sounds like a useful fixture. I wish you would put a picture up somewhere, so I could see what it looks like. Speaking of hub removal. Check out the bidding on ebay item 13008552474. I think I'd rather make a fixture and use a press. Larry Young Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. > > According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. > > The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely > engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. > > If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very limited after the taper releases. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino , California > TR-6 Comm # 55432L > > > > >--------------------------------- >Finding fabulous fares is fun. >Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 11 06:19:45 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:19:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F401F1.40105@pobox.com> Oops, that was ebay item 130085524743. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 6 20:58:31 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:58:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882084FE48F@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <000201c7606c$dfc73f60$1a22b348@blake1> Thanks guys. So if I want something to be posted I cc fot at autox.team.net? -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:47 AM To: Larry Young; John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination Larry, Shame on me for not getting Greg on the list. He is in my local club and the 2 of us built his differential not that long ago. He lives in Lakeway, not that far from me. Have you checked the CVAR Group lately? Some guys have been wondering about how you are doing, me included. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 10 23:16:25 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:16:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Personally I like the big bang method. I've never failed to disassemble a hub, but you do have to watch your toes. I don't have no stinking tool, just a press and a BFH (big .. hammer) Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the > dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 > when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for > disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset > when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly > servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub > axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department > could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and > that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to > take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall > how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take > the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my > professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. > > According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff > enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting > flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the > shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade > fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he > machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership > broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was > thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his > fixture slightly. > > The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat > and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness > the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of > 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the > middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to > accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the > flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top > plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates > that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After > all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel > mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top > plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four > 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws > onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press > force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it > completely > engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The > mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the > wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating > shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. > > If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble > TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make > arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local > automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun > watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped > up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to > the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little > heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets > go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly > out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very > limited after the taper releases. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino , California > TR-6 Comm # 55432L > > > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find > flight and hotel bargains. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From richtr at erols.com Wed Mar 7 15:38:26 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <001301c71d91$2a1b63d0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804@Dean44> Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk about oil and the loss of Zinc. As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet motors. There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in racing oil. Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com If you can't find it available in your area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. Dean T. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Solow Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:00 PM To: Jack W. Drews; Mark J. Bradakis; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil The information that we have obtained from Phillips/Coneco, the new owner/s of the Kendall Brand. The formulation of all Kendall oils were changed about 2 or 3 years ago. The only oil that was not changed was the 70 sae drag racing oil. All of the other GT-1 oils which had previously been real "race oils" were reformulated to conform the the specs for street oils which will not harm cat converters! According to the information that we have obtained, the oils that are available with the extreme pressure additives still in them are formulated for passenger car Diesel engines. There are 3 oils that have HD zinc and phospheros packages. They are Chevron Delo 100 oils, Mobil Delvac 1, and Shell Rotella T. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Mark J. Bradakis" ; Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > My understanding from my favorite oil industry executive is that > "all" major brands are formulated to meet the newest API standard > which is SM. That is the standard that took all those goodies out of the > oil. > > Want a low cost oil that is still made to the previous standard? > > Kendall GT-1 High Performance motor oil, available from your local > parts pimp but not from the Walmarts of the world. It's dirt cheap > compared to the Red Lines, etc. It meets API SL, SJ, and SH, but not > SM. I used it last season in a newly built engine and after running a > whole season on the same sump-full, disassembly showed the parts > still looking like new. > > You can get it in straight single-weights or in dual spec. I use > 20W-50. I pay $28 a case. All circle track racers in my area use it. > > Take a look at Amsoil's site, > > http://mcgeerf.tripod.com/americansyntheticoil/id17.html > > and look at the zinc content of all the oils. Kendall is the highest. > Now, the caveat: I don't know when the Amsoil data was prepared -- > wen I check the Kendall site and look at GT1, it says it meets the SM > spec. But sitting on my desk is a jug of Kendall GT-1 High Prformance > oil and the label says SL, SJ, SH. i hope they haven't changed it > over the winter. > > >>From: "BOB KRAMER" >>To: "FOT List" >>Subject: OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS >>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:04:57 -0600 >> >> >>This was posted on the some British Car web forums and based on the >>feedback >>it is not widely known apparently ----- >> >>OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS!!!!! >> >>By: Keith Ansell, Foreign Parts Positively, Inc. >> >>About a year ago I read about the reduction of zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP) >>in the oils supplied with API approval that could affect sliding and high >>pressure (EP) friction in our cars. The reduction of these chemicals in >>supplied oil was based on the fact that zinc, manganese and/or phosphates >>reduce the effectiveness and eventually damage catalytic converters and >>introduce minute amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere. > > ................snip....................... > >>Bob Kramer >>rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> >> >>=== Help keep Team.Net on the air >>=== http://www.team.net/donate.html > > uncle jack > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 21:37:14 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <20070310043714.896.qmail@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I also noticed that the responses were off the topic, and am wondering if others have similar experiences as ours. I already e-mailed the following response directly to Scott. When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. According to the local expert the factory Churchill tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. Now all you need is a strong enough hydraulic press. Do not use a 20 ton press, because if no heat is applied to the wheel mounting flange the taper will not separate until roughly 22 tons of force is applied. When a little bit of heat is applied to the flange with an acetylene torch I have seen flanges separate from the axles with only 18 tons of press force. Again I do not recommend using a 20 ton press because this is too close to the maximum capacity and things like the press frame and the bridge begin to noticeably bend. If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that the travel is very limited after the taper releases. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, California TR-6 Comm # 55432L "J.C. Hassall" wrote: At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you >have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), >figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and >found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The >manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one >of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will >offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the >ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Scott I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 12 12:12:29 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another bit of progress Message-ID: <45F5A61D.9020100@bradakis.com> Finally got through to some folks at Qwest, so reverse DNS lookup for the IP address for autox.team.net should soon be working. So AOL folks, among many others, that have been getting Team.Net mail rejected due to no reverse lookup should soon be getting mail again, maybe later this afternoon or tonight, depending on how fast the name server data gets propagated out. What fun. mjb. From cak at dimebank.com Mon Mar 12 12:10:14 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> The Brad Penn oils are promising. But fear not - it appears that good old Castrol GTX 20W50 is an excellent choice for our engines, except that it has some problems with viscosity retention. Chuck Navarro at LN Engineering is taking this oil stuff very seriously. He's focused on air-cooled engines, so he has a slightly different bent, but those engines are flat-tappet engines and are having those same problems. He's been doing a lot of oil sampling and testing, and is continuing to do so as the oil makers change their formulations (seemingly daily). See http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html for his results. Check out the Penn oils ... they tested lower than expected. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 12 13:39:57 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil References: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel Mystery oil or some additive like that? I'm sorry to show my ignorance about oils and their makeup's, but I never knew it really mattered, but I'm starting to think so now. When I was hot into riding motorcycles (street only), I saw that Castrol GTX 20W50 would foam up in my oil tank after riding hard. The Triumph Bonneville is a dry sump motor and when I'd take off the lid to the oil reservoir I would find a lot of bubbles. I switched to Kendal and never had that problem again. I haven't been able to find Kendal locally for several years now and would like to use it again, in my MC (74 Triumph Trident) and TR6 racecar, if not in all my vehicles. How do we go about getting this on the West Coast? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kantarjiev" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > The Brad Penn oils are promising. But fear not - it appears that > good old Castrol GTX 20W50 is an excellent choice for our engines, > except that it has some problems with viscosity retention. > > Chuck Navarro at LN Engineering is taking this oil stuff very > seriously. He's focused on air-cooled engines, so he has a slightly > different bent, but those engines are flat-tappet engines and > are having those same problems. He's been doing a lot of oil > sampling and testing, and is continuing to do so as the > oil makers change their formulations (seemingly daily). > > See http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html for his results. Check > out the Penn oils ... they tested lower than expected. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6nut at verizon.net Mon Mar 12 12:47:00 2007 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <45F5AE34.4050400@verizon.net> Charly Mitchel wrote: > Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to > our motors? Charly, From the linked web page http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html : > *How can I boost the level of Zn and P?* > > One way would be to use GM's Engine Oil Supplememental additive. By > our calculations, between .5 and .66 oz of GM EOS has to be added to > each quart of oil to raise the Zn and P by 100 ppm each. But be > careful, more is not always better. Too much and it will cause damage > to your catalytic convertor and possibly other emissions controls. > Although not as concentrated, STP 4-cyl Treatment (in the red bottle), > is easy to find and inexpensive, and doesn't have the viscosity > improvers (thickeners) of the blue bottled STP. > > For a Porsche 911, I recommend using 1 bottle (pint) of GM EOS with > every oil change if the oil you are using has less than the > recommended 1200-1400 ppm (0.12-0.14%) Zn and P. If the oil you want > to use has less than 1000 ppm (0.10%) Zn and P, choose a different > oil, since you will need to add too much of the GM EOS to boost this. > > For a four cylinder Porsche, 1 bottle of STP 4-cyl treatment is the > perfect amount for boosting the Zn and P in a ~4 quart fill. > Alternatively, about 1/3-1/2 of the bottle of EOS will be more than > enough. From cak at dimebank.com Mon Mar 12 12:55:56 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> > Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to > our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel Mystery > oil or some additive like that? Maybe. Red STP gets high marks, but is disappearing. There's a GM product, too, that might do the job. The question in all of these is just how much to add, and when, and if the additives will stay properly in suspension. Read the page I referenced; lots of discussion about additives there. From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Mar 12 13:14:42 2007 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:14:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi The oil additive that will put the zinc and phosporus back in the oil is BG chemicals MOA additive its all zinc and phosporus Rick J From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 13:14:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:14:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: After having seen operating motors with windows into the crankcase at a SEMA show many years ago I'd be surprised if any additive had problems staying in suspension in a wet sump motor--it's like a tornado in there. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more >> compatible to >> our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel >> Mystery >> oil or some additive like that? > > Maybe. Red STP gets high marks, but is disappearing. There's a GM > product, too, that might do the job. The question in all of these > is just how much to add, and when, and if the additives will stay > properly in suspension. > > Read the page I referenced; lots of discussion about additives there. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 12 13:33:58 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:33:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: FOT: I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT Event in July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This would make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at BeaverRun and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA is a great place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that is somewhat under rated. Opinions are invited, loudly and often. This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is slated for the East Coast in 2008. This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with high cost and little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. Best Regards, Joe Alexander From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 13:36:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:36:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A3B5B10-BC29-4DEC-B09E-A0449B5D7266@bnj.com> The All Aluminum tour will be there, assuming they can stomach Peyote leaking gently onto their nice lawn. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT: > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT > Event in > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This > would > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first > at BeaverRun > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA > is a great > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that > is somewhat > under rated. > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is > slated for > the East Coast in 2008. > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with > high cost and > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 14:54:50 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:54:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? References: Message-ID: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am planning on being at Beaverun with my GT6. Don't think it will be allowed at Schenley. VRG is co-sponsoring Beaverun and they typically run a very laid back, lots of track time weekend. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > FOT: > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT Event in > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This would > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at > BeaverRun > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA is a > great > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that is > somewhat > under rated. > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is slated > for > the East Coast in 2008. > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with high cost > and > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 12 16:00:28 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Great Resource References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> In browsing for information I found this site with tons of great information. Got about half way through it and realized a lot of it is FOT notes including Kas notes mentioning repreat responses and wishing someone would write this stuff down. Here it is... http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/Net.htm I particularly enjoyed this note 50's & 60's racing vs vintage racing, Kas rememberances. It sparked a memory of driving with my father as a child and asking him why we don't go to the race track any more. He responded whistfully over the roar of the side curtains - "We used to just drive our cars to the track and have lots and lots of fun. Then people starting spending lots of money on their cars and bringing them on trailers. Some of us eventually couldn't keep up; it wasn't as much fun any more..." Made me wonder if I could have much fun with a die grinder and D cam on pump gas. Is there a venue in Vintage Racing for those not interested in metelurgy of flywheel bolts? I miss the Bay Area Shelby club track days where you could find a few cars to play tag with and then drive home. I had hoped Vintage racing would be a little like that (perhaps with a trailer) but reading what some folks are doing to their cars (250 hp TR6???) - quite intimidating... M From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 12 16:02:24 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:02:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very informative. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 12 17:01:28 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that film? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very informative. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 12 17:11:27 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:11:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? At 05:01 PM 3/12/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that film? > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Kas Kastner >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM > Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > > > > > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very >informative. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 12 17:26:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out that it was true, you are screwed. On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Mar 12 17:31:05 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:31:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: Hi Guys! Many thanx to Mark for getting us back online and another one to Bill for keeping us going in the interim. Heroes both. I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis for a race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the dipstick hole in the cover. Both have the vents cast intothe side of the case. I'll be buying the close ratio set from Ken G., Anybody know the tricks to make these stout boxes better...and lighter? Steve ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Mon Mar 12 18:25:01 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers References: Message-ID: <004801c7650e$6d7b1980$4b8cb304@Bud> Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of Sympathy for Captain Marvel Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers > Hi Guys! > Many thanx to Mark for getting us back online and another one to Bill for > keeping us going in the interim. Heroes both. > > I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that > sound > right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis > for a > race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the > dipstick > hole in the cover. Both have the vents cast intothe side of the case. > I'll be buying the close ratio set from Ken G., Anybody know the tricks to > make these stout boxes better...and lighter? > Steve > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Mar 12 18:29:29 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:29:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: Well, I think you mean Captain America at Marvel comics. I agree with your observation and really have to wonder about such a thing. Granted, I haven't read Marvel comics since about 1964 but when I saw the announcement I wondered what kind of mindset was working there these days. If it can only last 40 more years....... > > > Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global > that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of > Sympathy for Captain Marvel > Racer Bud > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Mon Mar 12 18:34:19 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers References: Message-ID: <006801c7650f$b99987b0$4b8cb304@Bud> Whoops I did mean Capt. America...and....When DC comics killed Superman..then... thru 7 special issues brought him back(I think it was about 1989) It was great fun, a great mental escape,and good for business, Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at msn.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Well, I think you mean Captain America at Marvel comics. I agree with your observation and really have to wonder about such a thing. Granted, I haven't read Marvel comics since about 1964 but when I saw the announcement I wondered what kind of mindset was working there these days. If it can only last 40 more years....... Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of Sympathy for Captain Marvel Racer Bud ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 19:08:45 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:08:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 7:31:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? CT would be a TR4 gearbox...which shouldn't have the dipstick. Perhaps someone did some parts swapping with an early or mid-TR3 box for some reason? Sorry, but that's the only question I can even begin to answer.... ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 19:10:35 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:10:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers -- OOPS! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 7:31:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis for a race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the dipstick hole in the cover. ==AM== Sorry; I think I misread your message originally. You have more than one gearbox, right? Again, CT is TR4. What number is the one with the dipstick? Don't know if you'd really want that gearbox, since (assuming it's all original) it would have a non-synchro first gear. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 12 19:47:05 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:47:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer><20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <01a201c76519$e34dc120$690fc548@RWKastner> I totally disagree with your remark about the oil companies, but I cannot but agree with your second thought. Why not!! The only thing is that our tax money is being spent on totally useless endeavors and investigation that could well be spent on something that might help. (that is a long tape Joe, but there are some very interesting areas that need listening to) Enough. NOW, BACK TO TRIUMPH CARS. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Dave Riddle' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out that it was true, you are screwed. On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 20:50:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:50:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone, you are right, I didn't look at the date. I'm going to be there THIS year if they let me. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I am planning on being at Beaverun with my GT6. Don't think it > will be > allowed at Schenley. VRG is co-sponsoring Beaverun and they > typically run a > very laid back, lots of track time weekend. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > > >> FOT: >> >> I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT >> Event in >> July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: >> >> I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. >> This would >> make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at >> BeaverRun >> and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA >> is a >> great >> place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location >> that is >> somewhat >> under rated. >> >> Opinions are invited, loudly and often. >> >> This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is >> slated >> for >> the East Coast in 2008. >> >> This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with >> high cost >> and >> little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe Alexander >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 20:52:25 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:52:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Great Resource In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> References: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: Yup, the honorable TeriAnn Wakeman, FOTer extraordinaire. Haven't heard much from TeriAnn lately. What cho been up to kid? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > In browsing for information I found this site with tons of great > information. > Got about half way through it and realized a lot of it is FOT notes > including > Kas notes mentioning repreat responses and wishing someone would > write this > stuff down. Here it is... > http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/Net.htm > > I particularly enjoyed this note 50's & 60's racing vs vintage > racing, Kas > rememberances. It sparked a memory of driving with my father as a > child and > asking him why we don't go to the race track any more. He responded > whistfully over the roar of the side curtains - "We used to just > drive our > cars to the track and have lots and lots of fun. Then people starting > spending lots of money on their cars and bringing them on trailers. > Some of > us eventually couldn't keep up; it wasn't as much fun any more..." > > Made me wonder if I could have much fun with a die grinder and D > cam on pump > gas. Is there a venue in Vintage Racing for those not interested in > metelurgy > of flywheel bolts? I miss the Bay Area Shelby club track days where > you could > find a few cars to play tag with and then drive home. I had hoped > Vintage > racing would be a little like that (perhaps with a trailer) but > reading what > some folks are doing to their cars (250 hp TR6???) - quite > intimidating... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 20:54:14 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:54:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <554EED25-63F4-429A-B07C-60411ACA8155@bnj.com> I firmly believe that Bovine flatulence is a right wing conspiracy. And actually, it's way worse than CO2, it's methane. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Dave Riddle wrote: > As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is > what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the > Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. > > The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and > generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that > planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in > comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle > ranches there are on Mars? > > At 05:01 PM 3/12/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >> I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that >> film? >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Kas Kastner >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming >> >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM >> Subject: Fwd: Global Warming >> >> >> >>> When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production >>> that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the >>> background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British >>> Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. >>> >>> I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media >>> paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel >>> with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- >>> founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. >>> >>> If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but >>> very >> informative. >>> >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:10:00 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:10:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up getting screwed. To really change the huge things that might currently impact the environment and might impact it in the future will require enormous expenditure of resources, and control (probably repression) of economic and social changes in the third world. When ten percent of chinese have cars, might that be important? Will india stop installing diesel generators throughout their country? Who's going to make them stop. We can't get the Japanese to stop killing whales and dolphins, or the russians to stop spewing freon--how are these changes going to happen. Does the USA act alone and just sacrifice our economy on the alter of "maybe". And would you really appreciate the consequences. I'm fully aware that there are simple things that can be done. Fine, do them and feel good. I do. but I don't really expect them to be significant. Personally, I don't know whether or not mankind contributes significantly to climate change. I do know that turning the entire inquiry into left vs. right, greens vs. big oil, whoever vs. whatever means that it's going to be very hard to figure out what's real and what should be done. Al Gore did the environment no favors. He's just another politician. And politicians are just like marketers--they lie. (So tell me Bill, how did you make your money?) Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive marketing agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that > it is > caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it > turns out > that it was true, you are screwed. > > On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to > minimize it even > if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our > efforts. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave Riddle > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming > > As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is > what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the > Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. > > The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and > generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that > planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in > comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle > ranches there are on Mars? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 12 21:32:58 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:32:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 roll bar or roll cage In-Reply-To: <01a201c76519$e34dc120$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000001c76528$ad7e47e0$1a22b348@blake1> At what point do you consider roll over protection a roll cage vs a roll bar. As an example, if I were to use a single main hoop full width, rearward braces on each leg of the main hoop, a diagonal brace for the main hoop, an under-dash front hoop, and a forward diagonal from the main hoop to the base of the front hoop. Would this qualify as a Roll Cage in Appendix Z? Appendix Z seems to require the front hoop to be above the steering wheel, doesn't it? My preference is to stay under the scuttle which brings me back to classifying this as a roll bar with 1.75" x 0.120 DOM??? Can I call this a roll cage and use 1.5" x 0.095? Are there any rule changes in the wind I should be aware of before going down this path? Can you use smaller tubing for the secondary members? I would like to make the forward diagonal brace removable so I can have a passenger in the car on non race weekends. Does anyone have a good sketch or picture of the double lug design referred to or a good alternate? I have seen some rather pricy tubing benders on the market, anyone thought of a homemade bender for the occasional user? My plan is to drive with CVAR. TR3 guys, if you have pictures of your protection, I would love to see them. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 12 21:44:14 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting Message-ID: <000101c7652a$40e7bfb0$1a22b348@blake1> I posted this question to the British car forum and really did not get many takers this is my TR3. I have the body off the frame to finish up the body and paint work. When I go to reassembly the body to the frame I was planning on replacing all the body mounting rubbers with new. Do any of you delete the rubber to have a more solid connection between the body and the frame? What are the disadvantages other than noise? Since I plan on using some of my original mounting points as roll cage pick up points, I don't think I should be using the rubber pads in these areas. If that is the case, is there any reason to use them anywhere else? Thanks, Greg From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Mar 12 22:05:10 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:05:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 11:33:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Dean Tetterton" > Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" , "'Jack W. Drews'" > > Cc: GCKINNEY at aol.com > Message-ID: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804 at Dean44> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk > about oil and the loss of Zinc. > > As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold > to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec > SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet > motors. > > There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall > refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad > Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and > phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in > racing oil. > > Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com > If you can't find it available in your > area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the > Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only > reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change > it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. > > Dean T. Hi Dean, I could not agree me, I am really fed up that Valvoline Synpower, 20W/50, my oil of choice has become SM, that leaves me very little choice as far as a high quality 20W/50 is concerned. Our standard engines already have quite enough to contend with, flexible cranks, EN16T conrods, lack of decent bearing materials, the usual thrust washer problem areas as well as flat tappets and the usual rocker shaft lube problems etc. Not to mention some of the less than wonderful reproduction stuff out there! Has anyone got any thoughts about using the Amsoil 20W/50 synthetic oil? It's specs look pretty good, so far as I can see. Best Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Mar 13 06:35:38 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:35:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tranny case locating dowels on at TR6 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: Bob, The tophat bushing in the TR6 transmission is a weak spot along with the retainer clip between the lay and reverse shafts. Also, the roller bearings will soon wear away at the lay shaft under race conditions where lots of H.P. is being transfered. Solution: Contact John Esposito at Quantume Mechanics (203) 459-9612. He has re-engineered the top hat bushing in steel with better oil passageways that should solve your problem. He also makes a solid bronze bushing for the lay shaft. Please mention my name to John if you talk to him. Thanks and... Good luck. Allen On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I am about to rebuild a tranny again out of a TR6 that has had chronic > tophat bush issues. The clutch works fine in reverse, first and forth > but don't dare try and downshift to second. That's a pretty common > problem, but one I've never had on the many trannies I have rebuilt in > any other car. I swapped the original problematic one for another that > I > rebuilt and it quickly broke the tophat bush too. When I removed it > last > night I noticed that the locating dowels are missing. I have heard that > this causes ckutch problems. Does it also cause this type of tranny > issue? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Mar 13 07:03:47 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:03:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting References: <000101c7652a$40e7bfb0$1a22b348@blake1> Message-ID: <004a01c76578$6c690010$1123394a@Elliott> Those rubber pads are needed to adjust the door and bonnet gaps and to set the body straight if it doesn`t sit perfectly on the chassis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting >I posted this question to the British car forum and really did not get > many takers this is my TR3. > > > I have the body off the frame to finish up the body and paint work. When > I go to reassembly the body to the frame I was planning on replacing all > the body mounting rubbers with new. Do any of you delete the rubber to > have a more solid connection between the body and the frame? What are > the disadvantages other than noise? Since I plan on using some of my > original mounting points as roll cage pick up points, I don't think I > should be using the rubber pads in these areas. If that is the case, is > there any reason to use them anywhere else? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 13 07:26:18 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:26:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/2007 11:00:09 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is > caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out > that it was true, you are screwed. > > On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even > if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. > > Amici... The other day someone told me that we are all on this earth to obtain eternal salvation, and anything that speeds it up, can't be all bad. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 13 08:10:17 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> At 09:10 PM 3/12/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords >and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic >warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up getting screwed. We always send nitwits. Another lifetime ago (17 years - hard to believe) I was doing work for one of Uncle Sam's three-lettered Agency's in a Country that shall remain nameless (would not be to difficult to discover). I had been in country for just over a year this particular trip laboring away in private sector positions (magazine editor/contributor, radio show host, US company quality control inspection rep, etc...) when I managed to obtain employment within the Host country's government. In fact I was working within their version of a State Department. Not only that I was employed within the office that dealt with US 301 trade issues. Nominally I was charged with attending trade conferences on their behalf to listen to the US side and prepare reports as to what the US position really was in general and some items in particular. US Trade missions to these conferences/meetings are a conglomeration of Bureaucrats (State, Commerce, etc...) and representatives of US companies with a particular interest in the current round of talks (aviation, agriculture, etc...). For the Host Country's side I was able to obtain a significant amount of intel for them during the "Continental Breakfast" before sitting down at the conference table. The US attendees would see me bellying up to the pastry bar with them and since I had a "white-face" they assumed I must be part of their delegation. I overheard lots of good information for my reports to the Host. Obviously similar reports and much more were going out the backdoor to Uncle. For the most part US attendees at these conferences seemed to be caught up in the moment of being overseas and wanting to get away from the stale boardroom setting to get some shopping down or sample some of the local delights. They didn't seem particular focused. I can assure you the other side was focused 100% on a successful outcome to these meetings. The reason I am no longer doing this type of work is that my Agency case officer blew my position through his sloppy procedures. We (my wife and I) hightailed it back home before I got a knock at the door to become a "quest" rather then a visitor. She had just become pregnant with our first child so the excuse was that we were moving back to the states for the baby. She only found out the truth this last fall when I was yelling at the TV when some no nothing reporter/reportettte was going on about Plame being "undercover" and my kids how asked me how I knew that Plame wasn't undercover and therefore no law had been broken. Since it had been 16/17 yars I figured what the hell and told them. Still have an old briefcase full of documents that worked their way out the backdoor. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 05:41:03 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:41:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c764a3$b28fbdc0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Thanks to those observant individuals who pointed out that differential lube everywhere was probably due to failed leather axle tube seals, not to the outer bearing seal being bad, and that I could avoid all the mega-force solutions needed to take the hub apart by just pulling the axle and replacing the seal. I did pose the question about disassembling the hub, but a few of you noticed that I may have been asking the wrong question. The outer bearing seal retained a few ounces of wd-40 last night with the axle standing on its end, so I'm going to assume it's good and try the axle tube/low effort approach first. Thanks for all the feedback. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Jim Prettyleaf" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal > Personally I like the big bang method. I've never failed to > disassemble a hub, but you do have to watch your toes. I don't have > no stinking tool, just a press and a BFH (big .. hammer) > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > >> When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the >> dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 >> when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for >> disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset >> when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly >> servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub >> axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department >> could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and >> that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to >> take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall >> how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take >> the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my >> professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. >> >> According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff >> enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting >> flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the >> shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade >> fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he >> machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership >> broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was >> thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his >> fixture slightly. >> >> The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat >> and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness >> the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of >> 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the >> middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to >> accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the >> flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top >> plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates >> that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After >> all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel >> mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top >> plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four >> 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws >> onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press >> force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it >> completely >> engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The >> mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the >> wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating >> shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. >> >> If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble >> TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make >> arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local >> automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun >> watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped >> up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to >> the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little >> heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets >> go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly >> out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very >> limited after the taper releases. >> >> Jim Prettyleaf >> Cupertino , California >> TR-6 Comm # 55432L >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Finding fabulous fares is fun. >> Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find >> flight and hotel bargains. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr250racer at verizon.net Mon Mar 12 17:31:14 2007 From: tr250racer at verizon.net (tr250racer at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <25828964.548501173745875664.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Dean, Put me down for a case of 10 w 30. I'll pick up at VIR next month. Leo From: Dean Tetterton Date: 2007/03/07 Wed PM 04:38:26 CST To: 'Friends of Triumph' , "'Jack W. Drews'" Cc: GCKINNEY at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk about oil and the loss of Zinc. As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet motors. There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in racing oil. Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com If you can't find it available in your area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. Dean T. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Solow Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:00 PM To: Jack W. Drews; Mark J. Bradakis; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil The information that we have obtained from Phillips/Coneco, the new owner/s of the Kendall Brand. The formulation of all Kendall oils were changed about 2 or 3 years ago. The only oil that was not changed was the 70 sae drag racing oil. All of the other GT-1 oils which had previously been real "race oils" were reformulated to conform the the specs for street oils which will not harm cat converters! According to the information that we have obtained, the oils that are available with the extreme pressure additives still in them are formulated for passenger car Diesel engines. There are 3 oils that have HD zinc and phospheros packages. They are Chevron Delo 100 oils, Mobil Delvac 1, and Shell Rotella T. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Mark J. Bradakis" ; Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > My understanding from my favorite oil industry executive is that > "all" major brands are formulated to meet the newest API standard > which is SM. That is the standard that took all those goodies out of the > oil. > > Want a low cost oil that is still made to the previous standard? > > Kendall GT-1 High Performance motor oil, available from your local > parts pimp but not from the Walmarts of the world. It's dirt cheap > compared to the Red Lines, etc. It meets API SL, SJ, and SH, but not > SM. I used it last season in a newly built engine and after running a > whole season on the same sump-full, disassembly showed the parts > still looking like new. > > You can get it in straight single-weights or in dual spec. I use > 20W-50. I pay $28 a case. All circle track racers in my area use it. > > Take a look at Amsoil's site, > > http://mcgeerf.tripod.com/americansyntheticoil/id17.html > > and look at the zinc content of all the oils. Kendall is the highest. > Now, the caveat: I don't know when the Amsoil data was prepared -- > wen I check the Kendall site and look at GT1, it says it meets the SM > spec. But sitting on my desk is a jug of Kendall GT-1 High Prformance > oil and the label says SL, SJ, SH. i hope they haven't changed it > over the winter. > > >>From: "BOB KRAMER" >>To: "FOT List" >>Subject: OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS >>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:04:57 -0600 >> >> >>This was posted on the some British Car web forums and based on the >>feedback >>it is not widely known apparently ----- >> >>OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS!!!!! >> >>By: Keith Ansell, Foreign Parts Positively, Inc. >> >>About a year ago I read about the reduction of zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP) >>in the oils supplied with API approval that could affect sliding and high >>pressure (EP) friction in our cars. The reduction of these chemicals in >>supplied oil was based on the fact that zinc, manganese and/or phosphates >>reduce the effectiveness and eventually damage catalytic converters and >>introduce minute amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere. > > ................snip....................... > >>Bob Kramer >>rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> >> >>=== Help keep Team.Net on the air >>=== http://www.team.net/donate.html > > uncle jack > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 10:48:21 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:48:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds like interesting times. I've spent time in rooms where deals get hammered out. Anyone who believes that the USA is run by evil geniuses plotting global domination is so far off they're not even wrong. If only it were so. Rubes on vacation. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:10 AM, Dave Riddle wrote: > At 09:10 PM 3/12/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >> Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords >> and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic >> warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up >> getting screwed. > > We always send nitwits. > > > > Another lifetime ago (17 years - hard to believe) I was doing work > for one of Uncle Sam's three-lettered Agency's in a Country that > shall remain nameless (would not be to difficult to discover). I had > been in country for just over a year this particular trip laboring > away in private sector positions (magazine editor/contributor, radio > show host, US company quality control inspection rep, etc...) when I > managed to obtain employment within the Host country's > government. In fact I was working within their version of a State > Department. Not only that I was employed within the office that > dealt with US 301 trade issues. Nominally I was charged with > attending trade conferences on their behalf to listen to the US side > and prepare reports as to what the US position really was in general > and some items in particular. > > US Trade missions to these conferences/meetings are a conglomeration > of Bureaucrats (State, Commerce, etc...) and representatives of US > companies with a particular interest in the current round of talks > (aviation, agriculture, etc...). > > For the Host Country's side I was able to obtain a significant amount > of intel for them during the "Continental Breakfast" before sitting > down at the conference table. The US attendees would see me bellying > up to the pastry bar with them and since I had a "white-face" they > assumed I must be part of their delegation. I overheard lots of good > information for my reports to the Host. > > Obviously similar reports and much more were going out the backdoor > to Uncle. > > For the most part US attendees at these conferences seemed to be > caught up in the moment of being overseas and wanting to get away > from the stale boardroom setting to get some shopping down or sample > some of the local delights. They didn't seem particular focused. I > can assure you the other side was focused 100% on a successful > outcome to these meetings. > > The reason I am no longer doing this type of work is that my Agency > case officer blew my position through his sloppy procedures. We (my > wife and I) hightailed it back home before I got a knock at the door > to become a "quest" rather then a visitor. She had just become > pregnant with our first child so the excuse was that we were moving > back to the states for the baby. She only found out the truth this > last fall when I was yelling at the TV when some no nothing > reporter/reportettte was going on about Plame being "undercover" and > my kids how asked me how I knew that Plame wasn't undercover and > therefore no law had been broken. Since it had been 16/17 yars I > figured what the hell and told them. Still have an old briefcase > full of documents that worked their way out the backdoor. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Tue Mar 13 13:01:11 2007 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C933C17B4A9E5F-F58-1EBC@FWM-R18.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each year. VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at Schenley is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. Rich Rock ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Tue Mar 13 13:51:21 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:51:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Are there 2 FOT lists? In-Reply-To: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Hopefully I'll explain this in one deep breath... I sent this from my non-aol address... Being an AOL member of FOT and being apparently deleted after the resurection of these services, I created a non-aol address to use here. I went to the FOT subscription link, added my new address, replied to the confirmation email, etc. All is well, kinda... Shortly after I did this Mark sent out an email saying all was well with the AOL members, usint some language I didn't fully understand, but whatever. So now it appears I am currently subscribed at both my AOL address and my new non-aol address. The weird thing is that I am getting some threads on my AOL address and others on the non-aol address. None are going to both. They both seem to be coming from: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of (insert sender here). Is there a scientific explaination to this? Once they all go to my non-aol address, I'll unsubscribe my aol address! BTW: I subscribed to the Google list using a different aol address... Another subject: Kudos to Mark for adding the prefixes to the different list (Fot, TR, Spit) subject lines (something I've been bugging him for years about)! Makes the SPAM much easier to spot Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire Cwn74 at aol dot com and clarkfot at cwnicholls dot net "Reality... It's not what you think." From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Tue Mar 13 14:52:22 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More info... Are there 2 FOT lists? In-Reply-To: <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com><20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <005901c765b9$e5e82560$1442a8c0@semperon3400> I went to the roster list for Fot, tried to log in with my aol address. Failed. I tried with my non-aol address, this one. Worked. I looked at the subscribed roster. My aol address is not there. Hmmm... Could it be Outlook 2003 is sorting emails into separate folders? I dunno.... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire Cwn74 at aol dot com and clarkfot at cwnicholls dot net From jerryvv at adelphia.net Tue Mar 13 17:20:22 2007 From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? References: <7A3B5B10-BC29-4DEC-B09E-A0449B5D7266@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00c601c765ce$8e5aeb60$6601a8c0@toshibauser> Bill, The Western Pa Triumph Club sponsors British Car Day on Saturday of the PVGP Weekend. Typically 400 cars. We do it on the golf course and after every event they re-seed due to the large environmental impact we make! After 25 years it's become a targeted clean up area. Peyote will be right at home. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > The All Aluminum tour will be there, assuming they can stomach Peyote > leaking gently onto their nice lawn. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT: > > > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT > > Event in > > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This > > would > > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first > > at BeaverRun > > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA > > is a great > > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that > > is somewhat > > under rated. > > > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is > > slated for > > the East Coast in 2008. > > > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with > > high cost and > > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Joe Alexander > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Mar 13 18:33:44 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:33:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: Amici The United States was at the time of the Kyoto agreement in a position to substantially input into the crafting of the agreement to produce terms that were feasible. The reality of the situation was the US government was not convinced that action was needed on global warming - now more widely referred to as climate change. Consequently, the US policymakers allowed a document to be drafted that contained provisions that would never be ratified in the United States. Further, by not negotiating appropriate terms, it avoided a major public/political confrontation with other governments who were then and still are concerned about climate change. As is obvious from the dialog here, there is still disagreement on whether climate change is being accelerated by human activity. There is a well funded group of lobbyists, public relations specialists, and scientists whose job it is to critique findings on climate change - both for and against. Critiquing the findings is relatively easy in the area of climate change because the number of statistical variables are very large and measuring them with accuracy & precision is a major challenge. I figure this group has the potential to make a living on this issue for at least the next ten years or so. The bottom line at the moment is that the earth is experiencing a period of climate change. The consequences of these changes are evident across the globe. The issue is whether we want to ignore it as a natural cycle or take steps to reduce the consequences of our human activity. And if we decide it is being accelerated as a consequence of human activity (as indicated by the UN report); how does the burden gets fairly distributed get allocated and truly implemented across the world. Being people of action, I know that you will all want to do you fair share. Does anyone know how many cows would be have to be purchased and butcher to offset the emissions from our transporters and race cars this year? Cary


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Mar 13 19:25:38 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:25:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:40:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at msn.com writes: Well...1 Question..How long have we kept Climate records?..I don't know. Thanks Racer Bud ....that is the a major point of contention between the two sides on this debate...there are not long term accurate and precise historical records of temperatures and other climate factors (precipitation, etc). This is wonderful situation for the two groups of lobbyists, pr, etc making a living off of this debate. They also get to debate whether the changes in the composition of gases in the atmosphere (as obtain in polar ice that is many centuries old) is meaningful......plenty of great stuff for pundits....


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Tue Mar 13 19:41:20 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. Message-ID: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming new ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic food health probs .. People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 13 20:15:29 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:15:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> Message-ID: <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in AZ that we absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] .. It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming new ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic food health probs .. People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Tue Mar 13 20:26:02 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:26:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <00a901c765e8$7fa0ef60$4d83b304@Bud> I was in Tucson in 1998..My ex wife and the kids went Horseback riding..at about 10:00 am..I went to the motel pool to jump; in and cool off..THAT was my intro to How Hot you guys have it..The pool water was warmer than the air! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'BOB HACKSAW FRANK'" ; "'JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR'" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] .. > Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in AZ that > we > absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM > To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] .. > > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming > new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 21:53:19 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:53:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> Message-ID: <95C90DCB-A26A-4AF5-BAA0-A09EBC756BAE@bnj.com> Nice thoughts Bud. I know it sounds like I'm being very serious lately, but I spent the day windsurfing and surfing. Way mo bettah brah. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 4:41 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, > warming new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work > organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 21:54:05 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:54:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <70FF8874-4A4F-44A3-B4A1-7F75AAEABC0B@bnj.com> Thats one more nice thing about Maui--no stinkin daylight savings time! we don't believe in it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in > AZ that we > absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM > To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING > BURR; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] .. > > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, > warming new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work > organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Mar 14 06:51:43 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:51:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: <20070314.065144.-213707.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Figures just released from a 10 year government study indicate that, you can make a good living from a 10 year government study. Bill On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:33:44 EDT Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Amici > > The United States was at the time of the Kyoto agreement in a > position > to substantially input into the crafting of the agreement to > produce terms > that were feasible. The reality of the situation was the US > government was not > convinced that action was needed on global warming - now more > widely referred > to as climate change. Consequently, the US policymakers allowed a > document to > be drafted that contained provisions that would never be ratified > in the > United States. Further, by not negotiating appropriate terms, it > avoided a major > public/political confrontation with other governments who were then > and > still are concerned about climate change. > > As is obvious from the dialog here, there is still disagreement > on > whether climate change is being accelerated by human activity. > There is a well > funded group of lobbyists, public relations specialists, and > scientists whose > job it is to critique findings on climate change - both for and > against. > Critiquing the findings is relatively easy in the area of climate > change because > the number of statistical variables are very large and measuring > them with > accuracy & precision is a major challenge. I figure this group has > the potential > to make a living on this issue for at least the next ten years or > so. > > The bottom line at the moment is that the earth is experiencing > a period > of climate change. The consequences of these changes are evident > across the > globe. The issue is whether we want to ignore it as a natural cycle > or take > steps to reduce the consequences of our human activity. And if we > decide it is > being accelerated as a consequence of human activity (as indicated > by the UN > report); how does the burden gets fairly distributed get allocated > and truly > implemented across the world. > > Being people of action, I know that you will all want to do you > fair > share. Does anyone know how many cows would be have to be purchased > and butcher > to offset the emissions from our transporters and race cars this > year? > > Cary > > > > > > >


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AOL now > offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 07:03:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:03:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: > Joe, > > Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each year. > VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at Schenley > is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) > > I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. > > Rich Rock > Rich Rock...thanks for 'open forum' supporting comments on BearRun. I have received no negative comments from anyone on this proposal. I know that there are a number of FoT that would like to enjoy a low cost 'non-festival' event, with lots of track time. It is not too soon to plan. Note: It does not have to be an Official FOT Event with the Kastner Cup Presentation, to be consider by our unofficial group. Note: Not all cars, that run at BeaverRun would be eligible to run the PVGP, but I believe our cars would be considered on case by case basis. (#197 TR4 was invited to run a few years ago. I did attend, but didnt run) Depending on your state of mind, the PVGP seems to be pure vintage magic. Note: Western Pennsyvania is a hot bed of Triumph activity and rife with our Triumph Friends. It is also destination location that seems to be a well kept secret. Enough for the moment. Thanks again! Joe (A) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 07:35:59 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:35:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. Message-ID: FOT and Bill Bonadio, The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his son, Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original fibreglass. Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this year. I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at the moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, but know little else. Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from my memory only. Thanks. ORIGINAL MOLDS Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) 2ND GENERATION MOLDS Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? Thanks! Joe (A) From Cofrog at aol.com Wed Mar 14 08:41:54 2007 From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:41:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: Sounds like it should be a good prospect for oil well. Either now or in the near future.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Mar 14 13:57:13 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:57:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] oil In-Reply-To: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804@Dean44> Message-ID: <0bae01c7667b$577feac0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to > rekindle the talk > about oil and the loss of Zinc. Although not strictly on-topic, I just found this interesting article by Crane Cams that at least touches on the subject. http://www.cranecams.com/pdf/548e.pdf One of the most interesting things is how their advice now matches what Kas and Greg Solow and others have been telling us for a long time : new cams/lifters need to be run-in at a fast idle. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Wed Mar 14 15:05:28 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:05:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. References: Message-ID: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm correct. Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > FOT and Bill Bonadio, > > The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. > > Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro > Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his > son, > Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original > fibreglass. > Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this > year. > > I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at > the > moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, > but > know little else. > > Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from > my > memory only. Thanks. > > > ORIGINAL MOLDS > > Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) > AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH > Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? > Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) > > 2ND GENERATION MOLDS > > Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) > Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) > Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) > Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? > > Thanks! > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 17:25:08 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. Message-ID: <7B23C7B8.2F12C342.00159EE9@cs.com> wilburn is the name, don peerless is the chassis as i have been told. thanks! joe Don Elliott <58tr3a at videotron.ca> wrote: >I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm correct. > >Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM >Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > > >> FOT and Bill Bonadio, >> >> The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. >> >> Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro >> Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his >> son, >> Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original >> fibreglass. >> Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this >> year. >> >> I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at >> the >> moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, >> but >> know little else. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from >> my >> memory only. Thanks. >> >> >> ORIGINAL MOLDS >> >> Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) >> AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH >> Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? >> Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) >> >> 2ND GENERATION MOLDS >> >> Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) >> Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) >> Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) >> Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe (A) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 14 17:21:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:21:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. In-Reply-To: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> References: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> Message-ID: It is John Wilburn, but it's based on a Peerless. I've got some photos of them, I'll stick them on the all Aluminum Tour blog tonight. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Don Elliott wrote: > I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm > correct. > > Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM > Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > > >> FOT and Bill Bonadio, >> >> The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. >> >> Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the >> known Ambro >> Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton >> and his >> son, >> Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original >> fibreglass. >> Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro >> early this >> year. >> >> I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant >> remember it at >> the >> moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west >> coast, >> but >> know little else. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below >> is from >> my >> memory only. Thanks. >> >> >> ORIGINAL MOLDS >> >> Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) >> AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH >> Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? >> Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) >> >> 2ND GENERATION MOLDS >> >> Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) >> Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) >> Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) >> Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe (A) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 14 19:35:26 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested Message-ID: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Maybe a year or so ago there were some threads on a supplier that had some thicker than normal manifold gaskets for Spitfire and I also believe TR-6 engines. This was in the context of solving the ation problem with the commonly sold pieces commercially available. Does anyone recall the contact information for this fellow? I spoke with them at the time but lost the contact information when a hard drive bit the dust. Thanks Russ Moore From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 14 20:42:02 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested In-Reply-To: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> References: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Message-ID: <45F8C08A.407@bradakis.com> > solving the ation problem Okay, I give up. What's the "ation problem" here? mjb. From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 14 19:53:09 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested References: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> <45F8C08A.407@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <00a801c766ad$11afd5a0$03fea8c0@remsec1> sorry for the typo, I meant aeration problem. Leaking of air through the gasket material Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assistance requested > > solving the ation problem > > Okay, I give up. What's the "ation problem" here? > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Mar 14 20:16:09 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil References: <0bae01c7667b$577feac0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <008c01c766b0$486def70$6401a8c0@TER2> We have been in touch with the "former Kendall refinery", have recently purchased some of their current version of Kendall Racing GT-1 and am looking into selling it in the Northern California area. Apparently, when Sunoco and then Conoco/Phillips bought the Kendall name, they did not buy the refining technology or formulations! So the oil now produced by the refinery located on Kendall Ave. in Bradford , Penn. is still refined using only Pennsylvania crude and conforms to the API standards for SJ /CF oils. It is not certified for use in Catalytic Converter equipped cars or for use as an "Energy Saving" oil. It still has the same or a better additive package as the Kendall produced 8 or 9 years ago. It even has green dye in it. Praise the Lord! Regards, Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil >> Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to >> rekindle the talk >> about oil and the loss of Zinc. > > Although not strictly on-topic, I just found this interesting article by > Crane Cams that at least touches on the subject. > http://www.cranecams.com/pdf/548e.pdf > > One of the most interesting things is how their advice now matches what > Kas > and Greg Solow and others have been telling us for a long time : new > cams/lifters need to be run-in at a fast idle. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. 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If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 14 20:16:02 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000001c766b0$43931b60$6723b348@blake1> Larry, We live in Austin out near Lakeway, fortunately not that far from Bob. How many events do you make a year? When and where is the next event you will have your 3? I would love to spend a few hours chatting and looking over your car, maybe borrow some ideas. Where do you live? Thanks for the second, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: fot at autox.team.net; ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 14 20:51:08 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:51:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 header for sale Message-ID: <000001c766b5$2a6b7e70$6723b348@blake1> Anyone have a set for sale? Greg From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Mar 15 04:50:16 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:50:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] VW Test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <003901c766f8$25a79250$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> I am still of list but maybe it might get through..... http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/VW/video/x140ui_vw-test From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 15 11:45:47 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers Message-ID: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> FoT, I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? Thanks, Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 15 11:56:02 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:56:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers Message-ID: The later GT6's came with a crappy bell crank setup that reversed the upward pull of the cable into a downward stroke. I linked this to the fairly standard crossbar setup above the manifolds to push the Weber linkage down. I could perhaps get pictures for you if interested. I was pleased to find a use for that bit of abomination since I always tossed it from the stock carbs. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 11:59:05 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:59:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703151155x7dd08ad0kb310e610c907ef66@mail.gmail.com> References: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> <8cbd782d0703151155x7dd08ad0kb310e610c907ef66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703151159v7f903f00k1d12b4124f455c30@mail.gmail.com> Sending a reply to the whole group. Photo will not come thru, but if you want it let me know. Cable came from Pegasus Racing. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Arnold Date: Mar 15, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers To: Allen Washatko I made a bracket that screwed into the two treaded holes at the side of the middle carb. Put a hole in the middle of the bracket, and secured the end of the cable to both sides of the bracket. See picute. On 3/15/07, Allen Washatko wrote: > > FoT, > > I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and > am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the > set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two > Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold -- Chuck Arnold [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of throttle cable at carb 1.JPG] From don at carterdesignassociates.com Thu Mar 15 14:08:07 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers In-Reply-To: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c76746$07e4df40$38e8a8c0@DWC> Allen, My Canon manifold has a place to mount a bell crank, which connects directly to a modified setting of the TR6 lever that is on the pedal rod. I even used the original spring return on that lever. It takes some patience to set it up, but the solid linkage works fine on the triple set of Webers. If you don't have the Canon manifold then a bracket I'm sure can be made that bolts to one of the manifold nuts. Since I recently converted to cable on a different carb set-up, I welded a rod onto my original pedal bar that goes out the left side of the foot pad placement, toward the driver. Bored a hole in the bulkhead flat just left of the battery mount, then ran the cable from a hole in the pedal's new bar, through the flat battery shelf to an aluminum holder for the cable sleeve to rest against, then over the top of the valve cover to another bracket on the carbs that allows the sleeve to adjust while the cable connects to the carb linkage bar leg. I suppose that's hard to follow with my explanation of it, but if your interested I can send you pictures off FOT line. Don W. Carter -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Washatko Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:46 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers FoT, I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? Thanks, Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 17:12:04 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:12:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 15 18:31:07 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:31:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> I use these: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3277 . It's a gussied up hose clamp. Looks acceptable on the end of braided line, and pretty much the only way to dress up a press on hose that I'm aware of. - Tony At 06:12 PM 3/15/2007, steve wrote: >My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday >night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying >to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but >I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > >One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old >Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > >The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a >hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of >black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online >for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be >THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the >ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose >clamp method? > >Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > >~Steve From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Mar 15 17:58:12 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:58:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in addition to being ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", but rather an inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and at best it may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much else. You need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/index.asp ) or something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because of Carroll Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject of the desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot cheaper than the plumbing bits, but that's racing. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: FOT Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 18:00:12 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:00:12 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and Nuts. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to > tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but > I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, > etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black > tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for > Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be > THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the > ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, > hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 18:02:19 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:02:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> Message-ID: Hmmm. Sounds like Dave and I are psychically linked even when I'm a time zone away. I just posted nearly the same comments. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, David Talbott wrote: > Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in > addition to being > ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", > but rather an > inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and > at best it > may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much > else. You > need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/ > index.asp ) or > something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because > of Carroll > Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject > of the > desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and > Plumbing > Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot > cheaper than > the plumbing bits, but that's racing. > > > David Talbott, President > Architectural Reproductions, Inc. > Portland, Oregon > Toll Free (888) 440-8007 > www.archrepro.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > To: FOT > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > Each night > after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the > engine > compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted > to clean up > the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > Aeroquip fuel > lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a > hack-saw. > Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. > Over that > goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and > fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is > there a > more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input > pipes than > the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 18:06:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:06:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Message-ID: One more note about taking off the tape. when I say "ready to install the line" I mean SECONDS away. When you take the tape off the braid begins relaxing from the hose in the area of the cut. Thirty seconds after you pull the tape off it will resemble a trumpet bell. You've got about five seconds to get the outer part of the fitting on to the hose. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are > preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving > flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all > generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with > a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off > until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the > manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. > > To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting > pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. > > Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t > hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, > but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is > spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff > on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is > Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book > will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively > cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and > Nuts. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > >> My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. >> Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to >> tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but >> I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, >> etc.. >> >> One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old >> Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. >> >> The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- >> saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black >> tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for >> Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be >> THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the >> ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, >> hose clamp method? >> >> Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 18:08:36 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:08:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <4026572.1174007317167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Looks like some good nuts & bolts readin'. Even though this sytem has worked flawlessly for 18years, and the car has never experienced any kind of flames in 40 years, it sure couldn't hurt to upgrade. Even though it will set me back a few $$ ~Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Mar 15, 2007 6:02 PM To: David Talbott Cc: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Hmmm. Sounds like Dave and I are psychically linked even when I'm a time zone away. I just posted nearly the same comments. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse< /FONT> AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, David Talbott wrote: Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in addition to being ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", but rather an inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and at best it may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much else. You need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/index.asp ) or something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because of Carroll Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject of the desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot cheaper than the plumbing bits, but that's racing. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: FOT Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailm an/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailm an/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 15 20:01:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) - Tony At 07:00 PM 3/15/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are >preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving >flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all >generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with >a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off >until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the >manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. > >To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting >pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. > >Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t >hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, >but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is >spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff >on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is >Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book >will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively >cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and >Nuts. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > >On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > > Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to > > tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but > > I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, > > etc.. > > > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > > Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > > > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > > saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black > > tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for > > Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be > > THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the > > ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, > > hose clamp method? > > > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2117 (20070315) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Mar 15 20:19:12 2007 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> Message-ID: <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. Been working well for a long time now. Brad > > > Tony Drews wrote: >> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >> >> - Tony From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 15 19:29:03 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net><0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com><20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Message-ID: <00e801c76773$01c66e30$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Ditto my car - someone tapped the float bowl covers on the S.U.s - I just like the ease of detaching stuff without wiggling those old hoses off , and the race car seems to get disassembled a lot! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. > had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. > Been working well for a long time now. > > Brad >> >> >> Tony Drews wrote: >>> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >>> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >>> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >>> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >>> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >>> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >>> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >>> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >>> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >>> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >>> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >>> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >>> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >>> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >>> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >>> >>> - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 15 20:06:01 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:06:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Message-ID: <002b01c76778$07917c60$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I think the trick I used was to get a brake line bulkhead fitting and cut the flare off. Then you carefully wiggle out the stock tubes, tap the hole and Bob's your uncle. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. > had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. > Been working well for a long time now. > > Brad >> >> >> Tony Drews wrote: >>> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >>> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >>> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >>> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >>> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >>> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >>> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >>> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >>> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >>> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >>> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >>> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >>> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >>> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >>> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >>> >>> - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 15 21:15:51 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:15:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <45FA19F7.2030607@bradakis.com> Earl's makes a hose end that adapts to hard lines. You screw this cap into the hose end housing and compress a rubber sleeve over the hard line. I've got maybe half a dozen in stock at the shop, haven't used them yet. The whole contraption seems a bit too bulky to mate -6 hose to SU or Stromberg carbs, but I did use one once to put a flex line on a stock gas tank pickup tube. Boy, 6+ degrees and sunny here in Salt Lake, I HAVE to get a Triumph of some sort on the road! mjb. From sbarr at mccarty-law.com Fri Mar 16 05:35:13 2007 From: sbarr at mccarty-law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits for sale Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEB2C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I met a guy here in Northeast Wisconsin who has a hoard of Spitfires and Spitfire parts he'd like to sell off (going back to racing his Mustang). He'd like to sell it as a package deal. He's looking for a reasonable offer and someone with a big truck. Please forward this to any other vintage race lists you're in contact with. He has two cars: one 1965 Spitfire race car and one 1967 Spitfire race car. The 1965 has an 1147. He'd describe the 1965 as an old prod car and the 1967 as a vintage car. The 1965 Spitfire was last raced in 1994, but he feels ("new tires, new calipers, time it and go" he says.) The 1967 car would require significantly more work. His parts inventory is pretty extensive. Extensive enough that he doesn't want to inventory it. But it includes blocks, cranks, cams, pistons, rods (stock), etc. for 1147, 1296s of both varieties and one 1500. He's also got 6 to 8 Minilites, 4 Cosmics, 6 widened steel wheels and a set of Revolutions on the 1965 car, and a set of slotted aluminum mags on the 1967 car. I've seen this stash and the cars, but don't really know much about it -- I just purchased a diff from him a few months ago. If anyone is interested, I can run over there this weekend and take a bunch of digital pics. Scott From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 16 06:20:05 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too tightly. Have a look. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H igh-Pressure-Hose.html Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 06:57:37 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:57:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: Just as a precaution,and I don't know all the vintage rules, BUT, SCCA now requires that carbs with a non-threaded fuel inlet fitting MUST replace them by drilling and tapping the carb for a threaded fitting( GCR 9.3.13)......rick ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 07:02:32 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:02:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: >The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. >Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over >that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing >and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is >there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb >fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? I converted my old street TR4 to Aeroquip lines with AN fittings. Intially, I use the hose clamps to hold the line on the carbs.This wasn't a good solution. The Aeroquipped line wasn't as flexible as the rubber hose and caused one of the brass fittings on the float bowl lid to fatigue and break. It was the only time in 17 years my `4 didn't get me home. Fortunately, I was just across town. I had a local machine shop weld aluminum AN fittings on the carbs. From then on it was "plain sailing'. OBTW, you can use a Dremel tool cut off wheel to get through the braid, then any good utility knife will get you through the "rubber". The Dremel will give you a cleaner cut with less "prickly bits" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Kramer, Robert" >To: "steve" , "FOT" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 > >I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in >my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links >are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily >make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many >pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under >the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main >line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line >from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the >hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used >electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone >grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too >tightly. Have a look. > >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H >igh-Pressure-Hose.html > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of steve >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 07:12:27 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: If you want a more flexible hose than the stainless braid, ck out the HS-79 Teflon/Nomex aircraft hose from XRP,more flex,stronger,greater flow....cool looking too...can be bought at any length and fitting ends and same threaded conns as aeroquip type. Ck their website( www.XRP.com)... works great on my racecar. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Fri Mar 16 08:13:58 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:13:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] triple weber linkages Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 5:08:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > FoT, > > I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and > am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the > set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two > Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen, My throttle cable attachments came from Magard in the UK, although the bar/arms etc came from TWM Induction in Goleta, and the heim joints came from another source, with the stainless steel ball joints coming from Southern Carburettors in Wimbledon. See photos in Vitesse 2 album at webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 Best Regards Leon From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 16 08:51:11 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:51:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: I didn't realize TFE hose was available in dash6. I use it for all my hydraulic stuff, but never have for fuel. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 16, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in > my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The > links > are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can > easily > make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many > pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator > under > the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main > line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant > line > from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and > the > hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I > used > electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used > silicone > grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too > tightly. Have a look. > > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB- > Braided-H > igh-Pressure-Hose.html > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each > night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the > engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always > wanted > to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip > fuel lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > saw. > Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. > Over > that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing > and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is > there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb > fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 10:21:33 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info Message-ID: <000601c767ef$8b5e3480$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Forwarded by request - This was sent out yesterday to an informal group of Pacific Northwest Vintage Racers. Some of it we have already seen, but some is new to me at least. Jim Norlin Another non synthetic oil that still has the "good" additives is Shell Rotella. Comp Cam and Crane both make a break in additive to make sure that whatever oil you use does not wipe the cam lobes during break in. JEG"S has it at about $8.00 a pint. The additives have changed due to increased pressure from the Feds on immisions and heavy metals. Zink is not the only additive to get reduced. the critical time is for break in, but engines such as our racing engines likely will suffer higher wear during their life cycle with many of the new oil formulations. CompCam did Tech bulletin #225 on 4-10-06 on this subject. I am attaching it as a PDF file but it may not be accepted by the talk line. Here is a link: anyone that does not get it and is interested in seeing it e mail me direct and off the vintage line and I will be happy to forward it to you directly. It is very interesting. Another long but informative article on current oil problems can be found here. www.lnengineering.com/oil.html. Also, anyone on the Friends of Triumph line might want to forward this to that group as I am not a member and this message will be rejected by their monitor. Bottom line is that many current oils are not good for flat tappet break in, even with the highest API ratings! They are also doubtful for maximum life in a racing engine. Larry Dent From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 16 10:46:52 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:46:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info Message-ID: Amici... Interesting. I use Shell Rotella in my tow vehicle (diesel), but I sure never would have considered it for my racing engines. Would that be just for 'breaking in'? For the time being we've decided to go with VALVOLINE RACING (Not Street Legal) Synthetic SAE 20W-50, but we're looking at other options to consider. Bill Dentinger ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Fri Mar 16 12:02:36 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:02:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info In-Reply-To: <000601c767ef$8b5e3480$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <0d2501c767fd$a92094a0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Another non synthetic oil that still has the "good" additives is Shell > Rotella. However, that may change soon. Shell will be introducing "reformulated" Rotella in a few months, and has stated it will have "slightly less zinc". http://www.shell-lubricants.com/CJ4/cj4_faq.html Randall CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 16 14:05:58 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:05:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <20070316.130601.775.672167@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> Greg's conversion as noted below are still holding up very well. Joe(B) I converted my old street TR4 to Aeroquip lines with AN fittings. Intially, I use the hose clamps to hold the line on the carbs.This wasn't a good solution. The Aeroquipped line wasn't as flexible as the rubber hose and caused one of the brass fittings on the float bowl lid to fatigue and break. It was the only time in 17 years my `4 didn't get me home. Fortunately, I was just across town. I had a local machine shop weld aluminum AN fittings on the carbs. From then on it was "plain sailing'. OBTW, you can use a Dremel tool cut off wheel to get through the braid, then any good utility knife will get you through the "rubber". The Dremel will give you a cleaner cut with less "prickly bits" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Kramer, Robert" >To: "steve" , "FOT" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 > >I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in >my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links >are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily >make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many >pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under >the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main >line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line >from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the >hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used >electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone >grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too >tightly. Have a look. > >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H >igh-Pressure-Hose.html > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of steve >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From tr6nut at verizon.net Fri Mar 16 14:50:34 2007 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FB112A.5050705@verizon.net> BillDentin at aol.com wrote: I use Shell Rotella in my tow vehicle (diesel), but I sure never would have considered it for my racing engines. Bill, A lot of motorcycle guys swear by Shell Rotella. I use it in both of our bikes. If it'll work in bikes, it'll surely work in our race cars. http://www.rotella.com has a whole forum on Rotella user/uses. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA '73 TR6 '05 Suzuki SV1000S '06 Kawasaki Ninja 500R (wife's bike) From trhouse at greenapple.com Fri Mar 16 15:30:59 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [TR] Chauffeured Tow car! Message-ID: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> Return-Path: Received: from mx10.greenapple.com (root at mx10.greenapple.com [198.144.72.70]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2GMK1Mv020902 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from autox.team.net (autox.team.net [70.58.101.41]) by mx10.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2GM9cIv023592 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix) id EBAB3187B62; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix, from userid 71) id E2090187B65; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs at autox.team.net From: "Randall" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] FW: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:28:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Sender: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net Precedence: list Reply-To: "Randall" X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 4, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: owner-triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >From another list. -----Original Message----- From: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Senior Design Team RIT Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:42 AM To: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com Subject: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon I have too many projects and would like to reduce my collection. I do not want to scrap the car or part it out, so thought I would present it to the Triumph group first. I have a restoration project of a pretty rare vehicle... a 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon. The 1800 Saloon is an extremely rare car in the USA. There were less than 20 of them sold here in the states when new. Most of the surviving saloons are the later "2000 Renown" (produced from 1949-1952). I have photos at http://www.geocities.com/jjferrero/triumph.html I would like to find it a good home and will be accepting reasonable offers. If there are interests, please contact me at ritthesis at yahoo.com with the subject "1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon" Thanks, ~Joe Ferrero Geneseo, NY 14454 Your messages not reaching the list? Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html === This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register === http://www.vtr.org === Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive === http://www.team.net/the-local From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 16 18:20:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:20:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [TR] Chauffeured Tow car! In-Reply-To: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> References: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <68149C42-709D-4281-9737-922D7E39157B@bnj.com> Yikes. Get thee behind me. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 16, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Tom Householder wrote: > Return-Path: > Received: from mx10.greenapple.com (root at mx10.greenapple.com > [198.144.72.70]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with > ESMTP > id l2GMK1Mv020902 for ; Fri, 16 Mar > 2007 > 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from autox.team.net (autox.team.net [70.58.101.41]) by > mx10.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id > l2GM9cIv023592 for > ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix) id EBAB3187B62; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 > 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) > Delivered-To: triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net > Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix, from userid 71) id E2090187B65; > Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) > Delivered-To: triumphs at autox.team.net > From: "Randall" > To: "Triumphs" > Subject: [TR] FW: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:28:39 -0800 > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) > Sender: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "Randall" > X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more > information > X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean > X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, > required 4, autolearn=disabled) > X-MailScanner-From: owner-triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > >> From another list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Senior Design Team RIT > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:42 AM > To: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon > > > I have too many projects and would like to reduce my collection. I > do not want > to scrap the car or part it out, so thought I would present it to > the Triumph > group first. > > I have a restoration project of a pretty rare vehicle... a 1946 > Triumph 1800 > Saloon. The 1800 Saloon is an extremely rare car in the USA. There > were less > than 20 of them sold here in the states when new. Most of the > surviving saloons > are the later "2000 Renown" (produced from 1949-1952). > > I have photos at http://www.geocities.com/jjferrero/triumph.html > > I would like to find it a good home and will be accepting > reasonable offers. > > If there are interests, please contact me at ritthesis at yahoo.com > with the > subject "1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon" > > Thanks, > > ~Joe Ferrero > Geneseo, NY 14454 > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register > === http://www.vtr.org > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 18 09:30:17 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:30:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union Message-ID: Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking to put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. Thanx, Steve Smith ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 18 09:54:07 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:54:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR Message-ID: Amici... You never see much print coverage on TORNADO CARS, the English Specials with lots of TRIUMPH parts. Bob Wismer and I CO-own a TYPHOON, THUNDER BOLT, and a TALISMAN. So when a friend in England alerted me to small article in the March issue of the glossy British magazine CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR, I made a trip to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up a copy. Sure enough, there was a reference (and picture) of the Sports Brake (Estate Wagon) that TORNADO made. Weird looking car. Picture an Aston Martin DB2 works racer, and then convert it to a station wagon. That's pretty much what they did. They can't remember if they made one, or two or three. I've only seen pictures. But the reason for this email is that this March issue also has an extensive article on TRIUMPH sports. It is the feature article for the month. Anyone interested in such special attention in the print media for TRIUMPH cars should get up a copy. Years ago I was a subscriber to this magazine. Had to stop. The commercial and classified ads are dangerous. They sure always have some neat 'stuff' for sale. Wife, Shirley Jean, has put her foot down. No more cars! Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From mee23 at cornell.edu Sun Mar 18 09:58:58 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:58:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243D5@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> I HATE when wives get that way!!! M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Sun 3/18/2007 12:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR Amici... You never see much print coverage on TORNADO CARS, the English Specials with lots of TRIUMPH parts. Bob Wismer and I CO-own a TYPHOON, THUNDER BOLT, and a TALISMAN. So when a friend in England alerted me to small article in the March issue of the glossy British magazine CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR, I made a trip to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up a copy. Sure enough, there was a reference (and picture) of the Sports Brake (Estate Wagon) that TORNADO made. Weird looking car. Picture an Aston Martin DB2 works racer, and then convert it to a station wagon. That's pretty much what they did. They can't remember if they made one, or two or three. I've only seen pictures. But the reason for this email is that this March issue also has an extensive article on TRIUMPH sports. It is the feature article for the month. Anyone interested in such special attention in the print media for TRIUMPH cars should get up a copy. Years ago I was a subscriber to this magazine. Had to stop. The commercial and classified ads are dangerous. They sure always have some neat 'stuff' for sale. Wife, Shirley Jean, has put her foot down. No more cars! Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Mar 18 14:20:48 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:20:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> To all Motorsports Media: The prestigious Martha McDougal Trophy is to be presented at the upcoming First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days (F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D.) vintage races at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) on the weekend of April 13-16, 2007. The Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". In her memory, we will be awarding the "Martha McDougal Trophy" to the Triumph driver who completes the most qualified laps of VIR during the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "feature race". In this way, we are not only honoring a person who many Triumph owners have never heard of but we are also rewarding the driver who best emulates Martha's unique ability to "triumph" in the face of adversity. Since Martha was forced to maneuver around many obstacles during her "laps" of the factory, we will conduct our "feature race" during the VCDA's Gimmick Race (www.VintageDrive.com) in which competitors will share the track with other vintage racers who are not actually entered in our event. And since as Martha aged and gained weight her "lap times" got higher, we will apply an age and weight factor to the final lap count for each car/driver combination. The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. The Trophy will be presented at the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. banquet and awards ceremony on Friday evening at the Triumph paddock. Dinner and adult beverages, including a selection of exotic Fat Bastard wines, will be provided to registered entrants and their crews. For more information or to make reservations, contact Mr. Leo Oddi, email LOddTR at aol.com or by phone at (540) 891-8236. From emanteno at comcast.net Sun Mar 18 17:48:07 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:48:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <031920070048.5923.45FDDDC7000A789C000017232207022933970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "OFB Racing" > The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. Based on age alone, I'm thinking Don Marshall is the favorite. ;-) From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 18 21:20:07 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:20:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days In-Reply-To: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> References: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <7EAA739B-B1EB-434D-83AD-63DA6C9FB36A@bnj.com> Now I am truly brokenhearted that I can't be there. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 18, 2007, at 11:20 AM, OFB Racing wrote: > To all Motorsports Media: The prestigious Martha McDougal Trophy > is to > be presented at the upcoming First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring > Tune-up and Race Days (F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D.) vintage races at VIR > (Virginia International Raceway) on the weekend of April 13-16, 2007. > > > > The Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost > total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in > Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, > Martha > was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically > killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although > she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months > had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust > bins. > Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made > the > rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, > transferring > the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the > factory, > without complaint or even one day's absence. > > > > Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had > completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her > retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry > plant, > she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature > footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself > reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning > nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and > mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". > > > > In her memory, we will be awarding the "Martha McDougal Trophy" to the > Triumph driver who completes the most qualified laps of VIR during the > F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "feature race". In this way, we are not only > honoring a person who many Triumph owners have never heard of but > we are > also rewarding the driver who best emulates Martha's unique ability to > "triumph" in the face of adversity. > > > > Since Martha was forced to maneuver around many obstacles during her > "laps" of the factory, we will conduct our "feature race" during the > VCDA's Gimmick Race (www.VintageDrive.com) in which competitors will > share the track with other vintage racers who are not actually entered > in our event. And since as Martha aged and gained weight her "lap > times" got higher, we will apply an age and weight factor to the final > lap count for each car/driver combination. The winner will be > determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, > age > of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. The Trophy > will be presented at the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. banquet and awards > ceremony on Friday evening at the Triumph paddock. Dinner and adult > beverages, including a selection of exotic Fat Bastard wines, will be > provided to registered entrants and their crews. > > For more information or to make reservations, contact Mr. Leo Oddi, > email LOddTR at aol.com or by phone at (540) 891-8236. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley at adelphia.net Mon Mar 19 03:47:34 2007 From: wensley at adelphia.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days References: <031920070048.5923.45FDDDC7000A789C000017232207022933970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002801c76a14$007a6560$0300a8c0@Desktop> Are you telling me that Don is older then Dean (WOW) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "OFB Racing" ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "OFB Racing" > > >> The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and >> weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the >> temperature. > Based on age alone, I'm thinking Don Marshall is the favorite. > ;-) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 05:57:52 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 1 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E3F@server.Triumph.local> What an adventure. I spent last Wednesday thru Saturday night with Mike Jackson, Bob Wismer and Glen Efinger at the Sebring 12 Hour race. SVRA gets a whopping 3 sessions over the weekend, one of them a 1 hour enduro. Mike contacts me a couple months ago and asks if I want to co-drive the TR3 with him in the enduro, how can I say no? I was really looking forward to the event for a couple of reasons, the biggest being I have been chasing the Glen Efinger prepared cars since I started racing, and I couldn't believe I was getting a chance to drive one. I had never driven a TR3 racecar, never driven the track. I knew I would be hopeless if I didn't prepare somehow for my 20 or so minutes in the seat. Thanks to the computer game GT Legends and a bit of searching on the Internet to download the track at Sebring, I was able to 'drive' the track to get a feel for it. Then a chat with JK informs me where the bumpy bits are. Finally a U-Tube in-car video puts it all together. I am as ready as I will ever be. The plan is this. On the one and only practice/qualifying session, Mike takes the car out for 3 laps. One to warm up the tires, one hot lap, then come in. We do a drivers switch, and I get a few laps to familiarize myself with the car and the track. That plan goes off without a hitch. Well, there was that little off by the hairpin, but, well, never mind. The following day after a little brake adjusting, we are ready for the enduro. Plan is for Mike to take the green flag, run to halftime and come in. I will take the checker. Minor flaw in the plan. Mother Nature has other ideas. The green flag waives with a little liquid sunshine falling from the sky. Within 3 laps the flag in the tower goes from black to red. The rain is torrential, and lightning is flashing all around us. The cars make it back to the pits, the tow trucks are busy picking up bashed up race cars, and soon the word is given, we are done. The storm wreaks havoc in the pits. We weather out the storm with no major disaster. With a schedule as tight it is, we know we are done. No make-up race is going to happen. Mike offers to have me drive the feature. I was really surprised, and am very grateful. continued From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 05:58:01 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:58:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! From richtr at erols.com Mon Mar 19 06:05:09 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <000801c76a27$39f82120$a7ea9804@Dean44> Henry; Now you know why real men drive TR3's and have arms like gorillas. Sounds like you had a great time. See you in April at the Fat Bastard. Dean -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Frye Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 AM To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 07:36:46 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union References: Message-ID: <000e01c76a34$08077aa0$dec53f18@alex> I have one Steve, send me your adress. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union > Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... > > Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking > to > put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. > > Thanx, Steve Smith > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Mar 19 10:07:15 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he does. *Obi Wan voice off* Glad you had a good time Henry. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 19 10:20:32 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:20:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 03/19/2007 11:07:40 AM Central Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he > does. *Obi Wan voice off* > Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 10:37:18 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:37:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? References: Message-ID: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> To all you TR4 owners who still have one you run on the street - I am looking for tire recommendations. I am not trying to win shows, but want a tire that will allow me to have some fun within the limits allowed by the 60 spoke wires and a stock suspension. Any suggestions? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? >> Joe, >> >> Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each >> year. >> VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at >> Schenley >> is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) >> >> I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. >> >> Rich Rock >> > > Rich Rock...thanks for 'open forum' supporting comments on BearRun. I have > received no negative comments from anyone on this proposal. > > I know that there are a number of FoT that would like to enjoy a low cost > 'non-festival' event, with lots of track time. It is not too soon to > plan. > > Note: It does not have to be an Official FOT Event with the Kastner Cup > Presentation, to be consider by our unofficial group. > > Note: Not all cars, that run at BeaverRun would be eligible to run the > PVGP, > but I believe our cars would be considered on case by case basis. (#197 > TR4 > was invited to run a few years ago. I did attend, but didnt run) Depending > on > your state of mind, the PVGP seems to be pure vintage magic. > > Note: Western Pennsyvania is a hot bed of Triumph activity and rife with > our > Triumph Friends. It is also destination location that seems to be a well > kept > secret. > > Enough for the moment. Thanks again! > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 11:13:12 2007 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070319181312.47564.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Victoria British part No. 7-063 for 17.95. Sorry I don't have a spare to loan you but that's where I got mine. Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking to put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. Thanx, Steve Smith ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 19 11:26:20 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:26:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 References: Message-ID: <00ac01c76a54$17953500$84fea8c0@shop> But Bill, don't all Racing TR4's have the windows and registers removed? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 > In a message dated 03/19/2007 11:07:40 AM Central Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he > > does. *Obi Wan voice off* > > > > Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 11:24:42 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:24:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly like a... uh... like a TR-3...! Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 12:39:27 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cut-down classics [was Sebring 12 Hour] Message-ID: Bill (Damdinger) wrote: >Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. Hey Bill, I use leather straps to raise and lower the lexan door windows in my TR6. Does that count? Shane Ingate, himself a classic {insert noun here}, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 19 12:39:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:39:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15446187-1095-4896-A8EB-A993424EBE2B@bnj.com> The first time I drove a TR3 on a race track I was certain something was broken in the front suspension. In some ways Peyote is worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). If you insist on a car that behaves in a turn then it's not for you. But once you have the "gathering up" drill down pat it's both fun and fast. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly like a... > uh... like a > TR-3...! > > Safety FasTR > Glen > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 14:42:05 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:42:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <15446187-1095-4896-A8EB-A993424EBE2B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E4A@server.Triumph.local> The "gathering up drill" is a good way to phrase the difference between the 3 and my 4. The 3 takes a good deal more effort, but it seems so... so... so right! > -----Original Message---- > > The first time I drove a TR3 on a race track I was certain > something was broken in the front suspension. In some ways > Peyote is worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). If > you insist on a car that behaves in a turn then it's not for > you. But once you have the "gathering up" drill down pat it's > both fun and fast. > > Bill Babcock > > > On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly > like a... uh... like a > TR-3...! > > Safety FasTR > Glen From JFrymark at aol.com Mon Mar 19 15:03:53 2007 From: JFrymark at aol.com (JFrymark at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:03:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Great Invention Message-ID: Personally, I'm going to wait for the garage model that can also toss me the correct sized wrench. www.metacafe.com./watch/445498/robotic_beer_launching_refrigerator/ John Frymark ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 19 16:29:47 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070319182928.01ea6b20@blacksburg.net> Amici, I shared this with John Macartney, who worked at ST. Here's his funny reply: >Hi, Jim > >What a great story! I can't say I ever met Martha or even knew of >her existence, but she must have done a good job :) > >Two little points that may be worthy of 'modification.' > >The reference to "Sir John" presumably means Sir John Black, ST's >CEO. As production finally concluded at Coventry in the 1980's, I >guess it must have been his ghost in a manly presence because he >died in 1965, eleven years after being ousted in 1954 in a >management coup. Clearly, paradise must have fed him well to put on >so much weight, because as a very enthusiastic skier and fitness >freak, I doubt he carried any excess weight at all during his mortal >coil. At least, those are my own memories of him because I have many >pictures of him. > >Perhaps a suitable runner-up prize could be named after Mrs. Dolly >Hicks, the Head Driver of the Sales and Parts Divisions tea trolley? >Dolly always had a friendly greeting for everyone that was mostly >suffixed with "you miserable shit" but she also had a great gift in >making the best fried bacon and egg buns I've ever tasted!! > >Have a great time racing > >Cheers, John -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 19 15:47:55 2007 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:47:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <45FF131B.1010900@141.com> > Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. > > Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! > Hmm, now I know why Henry wanted Ernie to haul my TR3 back to Wisconsin. Henry, weren't you the one that told me not to buy a TR3 because of how badly they handled on the track and that I should buy a TR4 instead because they handled like a proper race car should?! Brad 1957 TR3 vintage race car (which will be staying in Arkansas where it belongs) From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 15:55:58 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:55:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <45FF131B.1010900@141.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E50@server.Triumph.local> Don't remember that... :-) Brad, I never took you for somebody who believed everything you heard! Henry Frye Triumph Technology Consultants 860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler [mailto:brad.kahler at 141.com] > Sent: March 19, 2007 6:48 PM > To: Henry Frye > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 > > > > > > Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the > great work. > > > > Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! > > > > Hmm, now I know why Henry wanted Ernie to haul my TR3 back to > Wisconsin. > > Henry, weren't you the one that told me not to buy a TR3 > because of how badly they handled on the track and that I > should buy a TR4 instead because they handled like a proper > race car should?! > > Brad > 1957 TR3 vintage race car > (which will be staying in Arkansas where it belongs) From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 19 16:01:35 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Message-ID: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Mar 19 16:38:58 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:38:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: Everyone, OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical questions for our engines. As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP (mostly Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything rated 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph engines. It seems that we have little in the way of choice: Three companies products keep coming up: A) Amsoil B) Redline C) Valvoline These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. such as: A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV855) C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or $40/gallon. Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive on hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the quality/capability/worth of any of these products? Do tell. Best Regards to all Leon F Guyot http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Mar 19 16:54:53 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:54:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Message-ID: <27309144.1174348493183.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Kas! I take that as satisfactory justification for my driving style. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner >Sent: Mar 19, 2007 7:01 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars > >I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, >throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back >in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in >the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the >passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Mar 19 16:59:33 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:59:33 GMT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: <20070319.160008.18248.2212978@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Joe Gibbs oils are made specifically for flat tappet motors as well. Price is similar to Redline. Joe(B) -- Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: Everyone, OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical questions for our engines. As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP (mostly Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything rated 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph engines. It seems that we have little in the way of choice: Three companies products keep coming up: A) Amsoil B) Redline C) Valvoline These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. such as: A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV855) C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or $40/gallon. Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive on hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the quality/capability/worth of any of these products? Do tell. Best Regards to all Leon F Guyot http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 19 17:08:45 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars References: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243D9@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> My dad used to say you had to drive TR3s a little like you are on a dirt track - this is the first time it made sense to me in a world where we are told if you are sideways you are slow... M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Mon 3/19/2007 7:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 17:23:19 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:23:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] robots and shredders(no lbc) Message-ID: <000e01c76a85$fbf39df0$dec53f18@alex> my son like beer just as much as the rest of us and passed these of to me from you tube. Shredders- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDngpTmpzQ&mode=related&search= Robots- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOCmoYU6h1Q From jibjib at att.net Mon Mar 19 17:44:00 2007 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:44:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? In-Reply-To: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <003001c76a88$dade80a0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Scott, Start here: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?id=13795 I'm leaning towards the Vredestein Sprint+ for my AutoX/Street, 60 spoked TR3A, but am wondering about the group's opinion of the Hoosier Speedster on the street. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? To all you TR4 owners who still have one you run on the street - I am looking for tire recommendations. I am not trying to win shows, but want a tire that will allow me to have some fun within the limits allowed by the 60 spoke wires and a stock suspension. Any suggestions? From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 19 19:21:01 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:21:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stupid and Dangerous Message-ID: <20070320023040.NGNO18070.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Sure hope the guy doesn't lose control and roll the thing. The top of his head is as high as the top of the roll hoop in this ex-Jag F1 car. http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0702_f1_driving_experience_photo_gallery/photo_01.html From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 19 19:54:35 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:54:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil References: Message-ID: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > Everyone, > > OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. > > We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical > questions > for our engines. > > As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP > (mostly > Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. > > The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything > rated > 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. > > SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph > engines. > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline > > These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. > > such as: > > A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) > > B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. > > C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code > VV855) > > C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) > > So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they > commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. > > They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the > synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or > $40/gallon. > > Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive > on > hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. > > Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the > quality/capability/worth > of any of these products? > > Do tell. > > Best Regards to all > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Mar 20 05:58:12 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Don carter -- Message-ID: <200703201258.l2KCwIY1258271@ns3.geneseo.net> Don, please contact me by email again -- I accidentally lost your message after reading it and I'll respond if I can get your email address uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From don at carterdesignassociates.com Tue Mar 20 11:09:13 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars In-Reply-To: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000001c76b1a$debeb3b0$38e8a8c0@DWC> Kas, could you enlighten us on "how to drive a TR-IRS car FAST", and have the most fun? Or is that two different answers? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From doddk at mossmotors.com Tue Mar 20 11:18:46 2007 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0C0C4FA8@kb1.mossmotors.com> I beg the group's indulgence for a moment of reminiscence. Early on when I was dating the lady who is now my now wife, she borrowed a friend's TR3 so we could go on a long distance rally put on by the Northern Cal Morgan club. This was about 7 years ago. I drove about 700 miles that weekend, having a lot of fun and the car hit the ton a few times. Being a long time MGB owner, I drove smoothly and quickly hitting perfect apexes and congratulating myself on my driving skill. At the end of the weekend I drove off Highway 1 onto the narrow, twisty road leading to the ranch house where my lady lived. She asked if she could take the wheel and finish the drive home. We took off in a roar, and the tail of the car never pointed in the same direction as the front for the next 5 miles. She stopped at her house, smiled at me and stated "That's how you drive a Triumph!". This morning I posted Kas's response below to her, with the comment that "He drives just like you". Her response was.... "Of course, I learned it from him!" Kas. I'd like to say thank you. I don't think you have any idea how many people you have influenced over the years. Kelvin Dodd, very happy husband of Debbie Gomez, ex Greg Solo's Engine Room employee. From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Mon 3/19/2007 7:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ From cak at dimebank.com Tue Mar 20 11:40:22 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: <200703201840.l2KIeM5r031941@moose.dimebank.com> > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline Castrol GTX 20W50 should be on your list for street-driven Triumphs. It's been a fine choice for years, and still is, and the "High Mileage" version might even be a little better. Please go and read http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html and look at the table of oil analysis. Best, chris From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 20 12:03:45 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars References: <000001c76b1a$debeb3b0$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <00c901c76b22$7c35cff0$690fc548@RWKastner> My experiences with the IRS TR-4 were on race tires, BUT, I always liked a car that oversteered just a bit, never understeer. This allowed the toss it into the corner routine, let the slide slow you enough to make it the late late apex. I never found that I could get enough stick to DRIVE through the corners and do all that smooth business. I can remember listening to some of the guys saying how they clipped the apex within a couple inches every around and how wonderful it was to be smooth, of course they failed to mention they were over a second slow. My theory for fast laps is: you have two pedals, one of which should be full on most of the time, that is, the brake or the gas. But with that style of driving it is best have an understanding tire sponsor. I was always hard on the tires and easy on the brakes. It was kind of fun too 'cause most folks really didn't want to go side by side with this really wide TR. Adjustable 5/16" rear bar & 11/16" front bar and about 1.5 negative rear camber did the number just fine in most tracks for the IRS car. I don't that has changed much. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Carter To: 'Kas Kastner' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Kas, could you enlighten us on "how to drive a TR-IRS car FAST", and have the most fun? Or is that two different answers? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Smart Label.lnk] From triosan at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 13:14:33 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:14:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR PI conversion picutes Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> I have posted and annotated several pictures of my PI installation on my TR250 [now TR%?] race car. You can view and read at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TR250ToTR5PIParts You can post comments on the pictures if you like. In will be glad to review any comments and answer any questions. Now I jst have to get the timing corect and see if it starts. If so, then I need to read the airfuel mixture to see where I am for mixture control. Expect the mechanical throtlle pedal driven mixture control unit cam and cam follower will need adjusting to get to optimum. -- Chuck Arnold From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 20 18:32:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:32:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR PI conversion picutes In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A7E3E9F-6CB5-47B3-8D66-C3A635833588@bnj.com> Very pretty. Can't wait to see it in person. With that location I assume you have a solenoid valve on the Accusump. Be sure you install a manual switch to leave it closed if you need to. Some folks rely on the ignition switch to control the accusump. That's fine for closing the valve and maintaining pressure in the accusump when you shut the engine off, but things happen and you can wind up with it de- pressurized. In that case you don't want it drawing away the lion's share of the oil coming out of the pump, robbing the engine of oil during the critical warm up period to fill the accusump back up. If you have a separate switch you can flick it off and on once the engine is warmed up and slowly rob oil to get the accusump full and pressurized again. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have posted and annotated several pictures of my PI installation > on my > TR250 [now TR%?] race car. You can view and read at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TR250ToTR5PIParts > > You can post comments on the pictures if you like. In will be glad > to review any comments and answer any questions. Now I jst have to > get the > timing corect and see if it starts. If so, then I need to read the > airfuel > mixture to see where I am for mixture control. Expect the mechanical > throtlle pedal driven mixture control unit cam and cam follower > will need > adjusting to get to optimum. > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 21 11:07:40 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:07:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 10:00:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > To: fot at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <200703201840.l2KIeM5r031941 at moose.dimebank.com> > > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > > > A) Amsoil > > > > B) Redline > > > > C) Valvoline > > Castrol GTX 20W50 should be on your list for street-driven Triumphs. > It's been a fine choice for years, and still is, and the "High > Mileage" version might even be a little better. > > Please go and read > > http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html > > and look at the table of oil analysis. > > Best, > chris > Nice one Chris, You found the webs pages that I found yesterday! This is the best, and most informed article that I have yet seen. Best Regards Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 21 21:41:21 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:41:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triton V8 connecting rods Message-ID: <000001c76c3c$571ffc20$8220b348@blake1> Christian Marx I heard you are using the Ford rods in your TR. Can you tell me what you did? Thanks, Greg From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 22 05:17:12 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spun Aluminum Headlight Covers Message-ID: Anybody need a pair of spun aluminum headlight covers slightly used? If so, please contact me off line. Thanks, Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 22 17:04:13 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:04:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph Message-ID: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> From: The Motorsport Collector THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes 300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. LeMans 1960 - No less than 12 works Ferraris led the charge against the beautiful Birdcage Maserati and Briggs Cunningham's Corvette. 24 minutes. Triumph at LeMans 1961 - Triumph took the team prize for the second straight year with their team of experimental TRs as Hill and Gendebien took the overall win for Ferrari. Historic footage of Jim Clark in the Border Reivers Aston Martin, which led part of the race. 35 minutes. TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 1 HOUR 18 MINUTES $45.00 In case anyone hasn't seen this. . . Bill From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 22 16:11:48 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:11:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph Message-ID: Boy that seems worthwhile! Thanks Bill! > From: The Motorsport Collector > > THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD > >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and > remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of > Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: > LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history > because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes > 300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving > Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. > From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 22 19:57:14 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph In-Reply-To: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <20070323030328.XTJD1312.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I saw the email from them announcing this. Their website sure makes it difficult to trust that an order will be for what you want. At 05:04 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >From: The Motorsport Collector > >THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD > >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and >remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of >Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: >LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history >because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes >300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving >Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. > >LeMans 1960 - No less than 12 works Ferraris led the charge against the >beautiful Birdcage Maserati and Briggs Cunningham's Corvette. 24 minutes. > >Triumph at LeMans 1961 - Triumph took the team prize for the second >straight year with their team of experimental TRs as Hill and Gendebien >took the overall win for Ferrari. Historic footage of Jim Clark in the >Border Reivers Aston Martin, which led part of the race. 35 minutes. > >TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 1 HOUR 18 MINUTES $45.00 >In case anyone hasn't seen this. . . >Bill >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Mar 23 08:54:30 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:54:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From DSPGTi at aol.com Fri Mar 23 09:11:18 2007 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:11:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: That event would be enough motivation for me to finally get my TR4 project done and get an SVRA license. If it's true I'll be there. Dave Y. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 23 09:19:09 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820884A877@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I would make the trip from Texas. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DSPGTi at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:11 AM To: JWoesvra at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature That event would be enough motivation for me to finally get my TR4 project done and get an SVRA license. If it's true I'll be there. Dave Y. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 23 10:16:44 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I heard a rumour that Triumph was going to be the featured marque at Mosport in 2008 as well....don't know how to confirm that though. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: March 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bivanyshyn at CRMCanada.com Fri Mar 23 10:20:39 2007 From: bivanyshyn at CRMCanada.com (Bruce Ivanyshyn) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:20:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: <3D8496924CBDC44480DAB65778844D9D7A8E01@crm-dc01.crmcanada.com> Give me a couple of weeks. I am with VARAC and they are publishing a magazine that may contain that information Bruce -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:17 PM To: JWoesvra at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature I heard a rumour that Triumph was going to be the featured marque at Mosport in 2008 as well....don't know how to confirm that though. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: March 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 23 10:42:42 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <790927.4768.qm@web81215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You don't have to like Shell or use their fuel to enjoy this! TURN THE VOLUME UP! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 23 11:01:20 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Turn it up! Message-ID: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: My first link came through with some added spaces. This one should work. Thanks - Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc From herald948 at aol.com Fri Mar 23 11:11:21 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C93B8DCB6D87F6-814-D32B@WEBMAIL-RD17.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? ==AM== It would be more like the 85th anniversary, as Triumph automobiles date from 1923. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 23 11:12:07 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:12:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Turn it up! In-Reply-To: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1B22B8DB-8F5B-45FE-B071-BD2739D7DB18@bnj.com> I put a copy of this video on my All Aluminum Tour blog yesterday. It's very cool. Very, very cool. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:01 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: My first link came through with some added spaces. This one > should work. Thanks - Ed > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 23 11:27:35 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:27:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23E69E9D-5B43-42D3-8F3F-67F9EB9F17BA@bnj.com> It's sounds great, though it's certainly not Triumph's 75 anniversary. I wish they were doing it this year--it would be a nice element for the All Aluminum Tour. The theory is that next year will be All Aluminum Europe (though we'll see how that pans out, it might be All Aluminum Divorce Court) It's hard to say how old Triumph is. If you go by the continuous history of the entity (which is the usual approach) it started in 1897 as the Triumph Cycle Company, making bicycles, which makes it 110 this year. Motorized vehicle production started in 1902 as Triumph Motor Cycles and the first car, the 10/20 was built in 1921. None of those dates yields 75 years in 2008 (1933). The only date NEAR 1933 that I can find is the company changed it's name to Triumph Motor Company in 1930. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 23, 2007, at 5:54 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen > International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the > featured marque in 2008 > for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has > selected > Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > > If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > > Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 12:15:36 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:15:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: Jack Woehrle wrote: >We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured >marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. That would be enough for me to get my car ready by then! Shane Ingate in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Its tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 23 12:25:43 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <008901c76d81$0d23fea0$6501a8c0@JeffSnook> Joe, Jack, Carl, et al., I would certainly take my TR3 to the Glen next year for a special Zippo Triumph feature event. Who cares what anniversary they are celebrating! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; Jensen87 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From alfetta95 at optonline.net Fri Mar 23 12:35:59 2007 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:35:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack et al, I'm in! That, along with the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix stuff I was hearing here is motivation enough. I did the Alfa Romeo event at the Glen, GREAT TIME! SVRA puts on a fantastic event. Might even sell the Alfa to free up funds for the TR3A!! Todd Redmond ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 am Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net, Jensen87 at aol.com > Joe, > > We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen > International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the > featured marque in 2008 > for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has > selected > Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > > If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > > Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email > to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 23 14:53:33 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <000701c76d95$b49d9790$6601a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Jack, count me and the ex-Manning 63 Spitfire in! THANKS! Steven Groh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature > Jack et al, > > I'm in! That, along with the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix stuff I was > hearing here is motivation enough. I did the Alfa Romeo event at the > Glen, GREAT TIME! SVRA puts on a fantastic event. Might even sell the > Alfa to free up funds for the TR3A!! > > Todd Redmond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JWoesvra at aol.com > Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 am > Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature > To: N197TR4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net, Jensen87 at aol.com > >> Joe, >> >> We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >> International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the >> featured marque in 2008 >> for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has >> selected >> Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? >> >> If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. >> >> Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> >> >> >> ************************************** AOL now offers free email >> to everyone. >> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Mar 23 15:27:35 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:27:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2007 2:25:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: I would certainly take my TR3 to the Glen next year for a special Zippo Triumph feature event. Who cares what anniversary they are celebrating! It is a done deal since y'all have shown such overwhelming interest. Now come up with an excuse for the press release! Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From SpiwakD at aol.com Fri Mar 23 16:17:14 2007 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:17:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature Message-ID: The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course and celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely overbooks this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race you have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap races due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From DonMarshall at nefcom.net Fri Mar 23 17:13:57 2007 From: DonMarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roebling Rd crew slots Message-ID: <009501c76da9$518d16d0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Is anyone going to Savannah next weekend for the SVRA event? I won't be racing but I'd like to bring son James and a friend up to watch. If anyone has any vacant crew slots (I need 3 total) you wouldn't mind signing us up for I'd appreciate it. Naturally, I'm willing to pay the overcrew fee if necessary and will even do actual crew duty if anyone is foolish enough to let me touch anything. Thanks, Don From joeg at neb.rr.com Fri Mar 23 18:21:36 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c76db2$c4807e30$7701a8c0@Guinan> Way cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 24 01:18:38 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low cost rods Message-ID: <200703240818.l2O8IipF310502@ns3.geneseo.net> I am almost ready to market sets of rods for the TR2 - 4A engines. I'd like to determine the level of interest so I can estimate inventory level to carry. Here's the deal: 4 Chevy rods, currently used in engines up to 850 hp Forged, 4380 steel Same length as TR rods, so you use your current pistons Re-bushed upper ends for stock TR pins, using proper grade of bronze Spacers for upper ends to center the rods, 6061-T1 aluminum Bottom ends modified so they go through the sleeves ARP 7/16" bolts Allows the use of modern high quality, low friction rod bearings To use these, you use .020 under Chev rod bearings, and you grind the crank .006" undersize, and you may have to relieve block slightly for clearance. Rods are 30 grams lighter than all available aftermarket rods. Current prices on Carillos is $1100 - and Saenz, Cunningham, and {auter are all $700 - $800 Target price for my kit of rods and spacers is $500 and I'm trying to lower that. So you get stronger, lighter rods, at a lower price. Would you be interested in purchasing a set of rods like this? If so, please email me off line. Thanks. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 03:16:19 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:16:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cost rods Message-ID: Uncle Jack wrote: >I am almost ready to market sets of rods for the TR2 - 4A engines. Rods are >30 grams lighter than all available aftermarket rods. The Carillos for my TR6 weighed in at 443g (compared with ~660g stock). If the Chebby rods are around the 415g mark, that is a huge difference? How much work is required to develop similar rods for the 6-pot motors? Shane Ingate, heading to Summit Pt today _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Mar 24 04:57:05 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:57:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SpiwakD at aol.com writes: The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course and celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely overbooks this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race you have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap races due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort to successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people who attend. We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest vintage event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have time to do all of them anyway. If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow from Texas of California just for that? Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 24 05:40:03 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <003d01c76e11$8c3177a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> For my part I am going to do Watkins Glen at some point whether it is next year or not so a Triumph feature just adds to the motivation. It is on my list of tracks I want to get to someday. It is not all about track time. The event itself and the track are the draw. I get plenty of track time here at home. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zippo feature > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course > and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort > to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people > who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest > vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have > time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow > from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 08:07:22 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 05:07:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature NOW Laps per Dollar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D3BB20B-683B-4AA1-860E-03663449F74C@bnj.com> This is no surprise to me, I generally run Monterey and the Country every year. Great events, but if you're looking for laps per dollar, you're better off in a local SCCA vintage grid--or even more so a local club track day. I enjoy the social and event aspects of the big events I DO think that there's much too much fiddling around between sessions, and organizations running big events fiddle more than most. Here's some suggestions: There's too much focus on getting broken cars back to the paddock. If they're in a safe place, let them sit until there's enough time. I know that's frustrating for ONE person but you have forty cars on the grid--do the math. if everyone knows the rules then so what. Get the cars on a five minute on the last lap of the previous group's race. You can switch to a hold if something happens. Thump novices if they pull their cars off into an unsafe place. Experienced drivers too, but most of the really bozo parking I've seen is newbies. Tell them NOT to nurse it back to the paddock and show them all the places they can get to that are safe and that won't stop the race. For that matter, a bozo off to the side of the track but still on the surface is a local yellow, not full course. Even if the bozo is me. If he's on the apex, well that's different. But he'd better have locked brakes. Half hour for lunch. Want to do an on track photo session for the featured marque? How about after the track closes. The light is more dramatic anyway. Track parades, who needs 'em. Bunch of twidgets and their leaky cars. I hate getting on track in the first group after a track parade. these guys have antifreeze in their radiators. I will however, gladly stand down and watch with thrilled attention anytime someone wants to let Sir Stirling Moss, Phil Hill, Jack Brabham, Pete Lovely, Dan Gurney, Mario Andretti, or any other of the real racers do a couple of laps Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 1:57 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road > course and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest > Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and > three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is > the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special > effort to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to > people who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, > you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the > biggest vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not > have time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you > tow from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 08:29:15 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:29:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris From cak at dimebank.com Sat Mar 24 09:15:13 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 steering stop? Message-ID: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> I've made some front end changes that lead me to worry about interference and full lock and full droop. I'd like to add a simple stop to limit the amount of lock, just a bit. The 4A has this built in on the vertical link, but the GT6 doesn't seem to have anything. Ideas for adding something would be most welcome. Thanks, chris From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 14 09:02:24 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:02:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor Message-ID: My humblest apologies for being off topic here, but... I just had to share this horrible experience! My '97 Toyota 4Runner SR5, (family vehicle) decided yesterday, (my only day off this week), that it's starter motor had done enough strating, (at 102,000 miles). Lots of clicking, not much else. It happened in a parking lot of a shopping center, (built on an Indian burial gound, so considered a jinxed place by locals)... I also had my 16= year old daughter with me, who was bitching that her day was now ruined, because she couldn't get to the Mall to shop - it was all of tw blocks away! No comment. Anyhoo, I called Cingular, with whom I was supposed to have breakdown cover for the last year, and was informed that I had no such cover on my account, even though I had asked for it when the account was set-up! So, I had to call my wife, to come tow me with her '86 Ford Econoline camper van. She borrowed a rather secondhand tow rope from our circuit racer neighbour, who informed her that towing with a rope was illegal in Oregon? After an 'interesting' 6 mile tow, to a friend's shop, during which the rope only snapped one time, (at a busy and dangerous intersection, naturally), when I very quickly called into play my boy scout knot tying skills...we made it, without being arrested. note that automatic SUV's with power braking and power steering, are VERY tough to brake and steer, without power! Anyhoo, when my friends saw the ensemble of '86 Econoline towing '97 4Runner, they responded with "you might be a redneck if", very funny! We first disconnected the battery, and luckily I had one of those handy-dandy computer memory keeper thingys that plugs into the cigarette lighter - and it worked - otherwise I would be paying the local Toyota dealer $45 to reset the radio code, which I do not have, and yes it does work! So to remove the starter, Messrs Chiltons encouraged us to "disconnect wires, unbolt starter and pull forward towards front of vehicle to remove from vehicle." Oh yeah? The front driveshafts were in the way, so that part of the manual must be referring to the 2WD version. The starter bolts came out easily enough, as did the heavy wire, although the plastic clip attaching the small wire is the work of satan himself, heat hardened due to the proximity of the exhaust, covered in oil/grease/dirt and designed in the true fashion of the ancient Chinese puzzle, also at arms length and almost inaccesible. But the real fun was yet to come. That increasingly heavy, and at arms length, starter motor was not coming out via any of the very small access holes, at any angle or direction. We removed the two 'skid plates', still no go, and eventually figured out that we would have to remove the long thin pipe for the ATF dipstick, which is, (of course), welded to the ATF pan, which cannot itself be removed, without first draining the ATF and at least half removing the hefty front Anti-sway bar, then disconnecting the pipes to the power steering. Nice design Toyota, most impressive. note that the bolts for the anti-sway bar are welded underneath with the nuts on top, and that the bolts closest to the exhaust downpipe/cat are cooked and rusted... One of those had to meet the BFH and then we had to snap it off in the bracket, later drilling out the remains, just to remove it. Now my starter motor is in for a rebuild, and the transmission is getting new filter and gasket, and the anti-sway bar link on the other side is getting replaced - we discovered it was in poor condition - That little lot took roughly 4 hours, and my hands still ache. Not looking forward to putting it all back together. I am grateful that we were able to avoid a hefty towing charge and dealer bills for the work. I think what really bothers me most is the complete lack of decent servicing design by Toyota, and the almost useless Chiltons Manual. Never mind, at least I stil have the '86 Econoline to go to work today and tomorrow! Triumph design rules! Take care out there Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 09:27:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:27:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads In-Reply-To: <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite > example of US > music played in England somewhere in the woods. > Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a > very fast TR 4 > racer. > > If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! > > Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 09:30:23 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:30:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 steering stop? In-Reply-To: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: Might be fairly easy to add a stop on the rack. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > I've made some front end changes that lead me to worry about > interference > and full lock and full droop. I'd like to add a simple stop to limit > the amount of lock, just a bit. > > The 4A has this built in on the vertical link, but the GT6 doesn't > seem > to have anything. Ideas for adding something would be most welcome. > > Thanks, > chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 24 09:49:42 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor References: Message-ID: Typically about this mileage the Toyota starters will start to "click" instead of "start". I have rarely ever seen one that needed more than a new set of copper contacts in the solenoid. About $14 worth of parts. At the previous shop I worked for we repaired hundreds of them just this way, and they would go another 100,000 miles. The Denso starter is a very good piece of kit. Of course the dealer would always try to sell our customers a new starter for $350+. We made a lot of good long term customers because of this. Terry Stetler From Fubog1 at aol.com Sat Mar 24 10:00:08 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:00:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2007 11:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: Triumph design rules! .... yeah they (real TRs) have hand cranks.... Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 10:19:58 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:19:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think In-Reply-To: <000c01c76db2$c4807e30$7701a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M! Now that's Italian! (Hannibal Lechter slurpy sounds) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Joe Guinan" >To: >Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0600 > >Way cool... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc > > >Joe Guinan >Fremont, NE >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 11:48:34 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:48:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 24 12:00:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shameless plug: Tilton flywheel and two plate clutch for TR3 / TR4 on e-bay Message-ID: <20070324195958.A7734187A2C@autox.team.net> E-bay motors listing number 250097971114. Used, excellent working condition. Hate to sell it, but I'm not going to use it. - Tony Drews From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 12:10:06 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:10:06 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Big orchestra in 4/4 measure...played in Manhattan and Monaco References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002601c76e48$0ad4b000$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Got these link the other day.....will make you nippy and wetten your eyes. http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 24 12:56:34 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> I've known lots of people that count the same way. AND, so does a neighbor. You do a terrific job and you are NOT an underground member. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Marx Christian tr4-racing To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 13:01:50 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <004501c76e4f$430b6340$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> I am sorry to say but I am still off list and get no FOT news since the FOT crash.....so I feel doomed to the underground. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads I've known lots of people that count the same way. AND, so does a neighbor. You do a terrific job and you are NOT an underground member. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Marx Christian tr4-racing To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 24 13:23:28 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:23:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Other Glen Track time besides Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <003001c76e52$48850800$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Those of you looking for track time at the Glen may want to consider the Oct 19-20th VRG event on a Friday- Saturday. VRG is sharing the weekend with another group that is using the track only on Sunday. Planning on three events a day for each race group, $350 for the weekend. VRG is the same group that is running the Beaverun event the weekend before the Pittsburgh Grand Prix. My (limited) experience has been that they have lots of track time and mostly small bore (displacement, that is) participants. www.vrgonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zippo feature > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course > and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort > to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people > who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest > vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have > time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow > from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Mar 24 13:36:23 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:36:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it "not street legal". Have the EPA feds started to pass judgement on motor oil use? You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would anyne know what motor oil we use. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil >I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count > cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a > quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". > > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > > >> Everyone, >> >> OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. >> >> We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical >> questions >> for our engines. >> >> As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP >> (mostly >> Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. >> >> The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything >> rated >> 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. >> >> SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph >> engines. >> >> It seems that we have little in the way of choice: >> >> Three companies products keep coming up: >> >> A) Amsoil >> >> B) Redline >> >> C) Valvoline >> >> These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. >> >> such as: >> >> A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) >> >> B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. >> >> C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code >> VV855) >> >> C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, >> (code >> VV851) >> >> So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they >> commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. >> >> They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the >> synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or >> $40/gallon. >> >> Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive >> on >> hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. >> >> Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the >> quality/capability/worth >> of any of these products? >> >> Do tell. >> >> Best Regards to all >> >> Leon F Guyot >> >> > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sat Mar 24 15:31:05 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it > "not street legal". The zinc and phosphorus used as additives poison the catalytic converter over time. So, ZDDP (which contains both zinc and phosphorous) is being phased out just like TEL was 30 years ago. > You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would > anyne know what motor oil we use. Best not to ask questions when you don't want to hear the answer ! Suffice it to say that the EPA has already established that they are above the law and only lightly bound by the Constitution ... if they want to know what motor oil you're using, they'll find out ! Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name and address in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? Randall From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 17:32:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The big advantage of being regulators instead of lawmakers. The real power in Washington has always been those dull looking folks who stay when the politicians come and go--or unfortunately come and stay. Term limits won't do anything about them. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Randall wrote: >> You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it >> "not street legal". > > The zinc and phosphorus used as additives poison the catalytic > converter over > time. So, ZDDP (which contains both zinc and phosphorous) is being > phased out > just like TEL was 30 years ago. > >> You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would >> anyne know what motor oil we use. > > Best not to ask questions when you don't want to hear the answer ! > Suffice it > to say that the EPA has already established that they are above the > law and only > lightly bound by the Constitution ... if they want to know what > motor oil you're > using, they'll find out ! > > Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name > and address > in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 24 18:00:15 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Babcock Message-ID: <200703250100.l2P10O4L451868@ns3.geneseo.net> Sorry, listers, but Bill, please send me another message with an email address that works. I can't get through at billb at bnj.com Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 24 20:40:30 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:40:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to run that weekend. Joe(B) -- JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 24 20:49:46 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> References: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <20070325044930.2DC95187A12@autox.team.net> As a vintage guy, I'd love to see the SCCA Triumphs at this event! I feel we're "unfairly" segregated (NOT pointing a finger at anyone on that). I'm sure some sort of class assignment can be made for the non-Triumph events to make it fair for all. - Tony Drews At 10:40 PM 3/24/2007, Joe Boruch wrote: >I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to >run that weekend. Joe(B) > >-- JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >Joe, > >We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque >in 2008 >for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected >Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > >If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > >Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > >Jack Woehrle > > > >************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Interested in getting caught up on today's news? >Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. >http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h >tm?csp=24 >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2143 (20070325) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Mar 24 21:19:22 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE Message-ID: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> Friends... I bought the March issue of Classic & Sports Car... the cover article is "All Triumph's TRs: Britain's first family of sports cars: we test the greats from TR2 to TR8". I've gone cover to cover, but I'm not in a collecting mode with these. I'd be happy to pass it along for the cover price, plus shipping. It's still like new. --Justin From JWoesvra at aol.com Sun Mar 25 04:45:22 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:45:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2007 10:42:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to run that weekend. Joe(B) You should send me photos and a Race Car Information Sheet. When we do marque features we will occasionally accept cars from the marque that don't normally meet our vintage regulations. Current SCCA cars are certainly part of the marque history. You would not run with the regular TR3's, however, except in the all-TR race. I would probably have you in a special class in Group 8. You can look that up at _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) . Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 05:09:15 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke Message-ID: Randall Young asked: >Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name and >address >in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? That is true of EVERY purchase unless you use cash. Shane Ingate, gradually moving off the grid, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. 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A blonde woman came in and asked for a seven-hundred-ten. They all looked at each other, and the Mechanic asked, "What is a seven-hundred-ten?" She replied, "You know, the little piece in the middle of the engine. I lost it and need a new one. It had always been there." The mechanic gave the woman a piece of paper and a pen and asked her to draw what the piece looked like. She drew a circle and in the middle of it wrote 710. He then took her over to another car which had the hood up and asked, "Is there a 710 on this car?" She pointed and said, "Of course, it's right there." Click here to learn the identity of the mysterious 710: www.mademelaugh.com/gfx/710.jpg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 25 07:44:35 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's Message-ID: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... >Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage photos >from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from the >1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from fan >and racer scrapbooks. > > http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ From billsohl at optonline.net Sun Mar 25 10:21:15 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's In-Reply-To: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <58D5DDA6CC074FB38DCD4CAB1A23C60F@SohlPC> Interesting PIX, the 68 race pictures include the Group 44 TR-250 which was a one year entry by Group 44. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 25 11:31:25 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <58D5DDA6CC074FB38DCD4CAB1A23C60F@SohlPC> Message-ID: <005901c76f0b$cbe3b610$690fc548@RWKastner> I was back there with the Group 44 guys in about 1966. Rained like the devil. It was the first race for Tony Adamowitz in the groups Spitfire. He won overall. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sohl To: David W. Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's Interesting PIX, the 68 race pictures include the Group 44 TR-250 which was a one year entry by Group 44. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzman at adelphia.net Sun Mar 25 13:31:44 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland airport. Their leader Dave Williams is a Porsche 944 driver and a real enthusiast. Last June I won their vintage car triathlon in my TR4. 1st in the autox, last in the concours and 2nd in the rally. They are really into the history of the Cumberland airport road races. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sun Mar 25 15:33:14 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything short of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the fan on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term satiation and long term expensive grief. Help!!! M From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 15:54:20 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <4606FD9C.5070402@greenheart.com> Mark, It's hardly a case of the "last one holding it gets stuck with the bill" as if I was setting up some sort of evil pyramid scheme. The last one holding it gets to keep it. Some people actually like to be at the end of such a process, they're called "collectors"! No guilt here. It turns out that the buyer was looking for the magazine, so I am doing him a service, with no finder's fee, no hidden handling fees, no mark up, and no hidden agenda. I drove to the store, I bought the magazine with sales tax, I made the post, I fielded the responses, I'll pack the magazine, I'll drive to the post office, and I'll ship the magazine. And he will have it in hands before his check has even been cashed. Did you say I will have read the magazine for "free" as a result of this offer? Once again, no guilt here. I know you're just "joking", but your comment was forwarded to the entire group and, joking or not, it impugned my character, particularly if a reader, possibly like you, didn't consider the other side of the coin. If you had made your comment in private, to me alone, I'd be laughing with you. One should always think twice before hitting that send button, particularly when there's CC's involved. I know I've screwed up by pushing the send button many a time, myself, and I'm sure I'll make similar mistakes in the future, no doubt. (Maybe I'm making a mistake here!) Maybe next time I find a particularly Triumph collectable magazine, I'll wait a few months, and then put it on Ebay. One time I did that when the magazine was still new, and a guy bid it up to $60.00. I felt guilty and wrote the guy, and he said, "No worries! I'm just glad to have found magazine, they're sold-out around here. I'm happy to pay the $60.00." So maybe I should just stick to the profit angle in the future? --Justin (just a little miffed) Mark Hooper wrote: >Meaning you get to read it for free... Musical magazines. The last one holding it gets stuck with the bill. Are you sure you're not channeling Mr. Heaney from Green Acres? :^) > >Mark >(just joking) > >________________________________ > >From: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net on behalf of Justin Wagner >Sent: Sun 25/03/2007 12:19 AM >To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs >Subject: [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE > > > >Friends... > >I bought the March issue of Classic & Sports Car... the cover article is >"All Triumph's TRs: Britain's first family of sports cars: we test the >greats from TR2 to TR8". > >I've gone cover to cover, but I'm not in a collecting mode with these. >I'd be happy to pass it along for the cover price, plus shipping. It's >still like new. > >--Justin From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Mar 25 17:44:25 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:44:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <002e01c76f3f$e7bc2b40$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I don't often look at the links people send around - maybe I should - but these are amazing cars and really worth a browse! in 1961, this airport race had Ferraris, Elvas, Oscas, Lotus , Lister, Cunningham, Lolas, Jags, Cobra, Coopers, a Birdcage, Vettes, Sunbeams, an RSK, etc - and the drivers - Penske, Holbert, Hansgren, Tullius - wow! And crowds of people watching, too. Oh, to have a time machine . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stutzman" To: ; "David W. Riddle" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's > the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland > airport. Their leader Dave Williams is a Porsche 944 driver and a real > enthusiast. > Last June I won their vintage car triathlon in my TR4. 1st in the autox, > last in the concours and 2nd in the rally. > They are really into the history of the Cumberland airport road races. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's > > >>A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had >> been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back >> to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. >> Enjoy... >> >>>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>>photos >>>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>>the >>>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from >>>the >>>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>>fan >>>and racer scrapbooks. >>> >>> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Mar 25 19:08:26 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:08:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello All: I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently has Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower the car 2 - 3 inches. I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. Up front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only lower the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and lowering the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs and spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Mar 25 19:13:26 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on and let sit overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an industrial penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short > of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the > fan > on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking > and > big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love > craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented > beverage > before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short > term > satiation and long term expensive grief. > > Help!!! > > M > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 25 19:17:32 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <01d201c76f4c$ea0d3440$0502a8c0@desktop> Another way to lower the front end without changing the spring rate is to make a spacer to go between the lower arm and the spring pan. You can also reverse the lower arms. Both these changes will give you about 1", depending on what size spacer you use. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 25 19:27:22 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension In-Reply-To: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> At the rear, don't do the longer shackle routine. That causes some weirdness in the rear end geometry. The car will take two distinct arcs through the corner. Put spacers between the axle and the leaf springs and install longer U-bolts instead. I seem to recall something about using an MGB-GT front spring (Moss has those for about $32 / spring), but I'm sure others have more details on that. - Tony At 09:08 PM 3/25/2007, Gary wrote: >Hello All: > >I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently has >Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. >Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower the >car 2 - 3 inches. > >I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. Up >front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only lower >the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB >competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and lowering >the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs and >spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > >Gary >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 19:40:33 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: Let us not forget The Holy Trinity as it applies to Getting Triumph Bolts Loose: The Hammer The Torch And The Aero Kroil Amen >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short >of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the >fan >on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and >big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love >craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage >before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term >satiation and long term expensive grief. > >Help!!! > >M From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 20:13:10 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D877@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> <4606FD9C.5070402@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D877@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <46073A46.2090809@greenheart.com> Mark, Apology accepted. I did understand it was said in jest, but I had to say something for the reasons I described. And as I said, I've hit that send button all too quickly myself... many a time. Those who throw stones at glass houses.... Cheers. --Justin Mark Hooper wrote: > Hi Justin: > > I certainly do apologise if I seemed to be impugning your character. > The comment was made entirely in fun. I have only ever heard positive > things about your interest in and contribution to the hobby. I saw a > possiblity for an amusing mis-conception of your offer and took > (perhaps too rapidly) advantage of the opportunity. I was raised in > the British tradition of making pointed comments to those we respect > and saying nothing at all to those we don't. Sometimes it does not > travel well. I am indeed sorry for any stress caused. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > P.S. If it was not for the fact that I have a copy of the magazine in > question, I would buy it myself. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 21:11:07 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] O.T. Poem: Death Is Nothing At All Message-ID: <460747DB.5090203@greenheart.com> Very much O.T. Friends, Back in '98, a neighbor put this on my door when she learned of my father's sudden passing. I just discovered it today amongst some old files (as I try desperately to get myself out from under too much "stuff". Unfortunately, buried in debris, it was out of sight and mind when my mom suddenly passed in 2001. I just sent a copy to my siblings, but thought maybe I should send a copy to you all. At both times, I found a lot of support in the camaraderie of the Triumph newsgroups. Many of you wrote to me of the loss of your own parents, and loved ones. Perhaps this poem will have as much of an affect on you as it has had on me. You may find yourself passing it along to someone else, just as my neighbor had, to help make a difficult time just a bit more bearable. I wish I had had it at my fingertips, over the years since, when others about me have lost loved ones, including members of the newsgroups. --Justin Death Is Nothing At All Death is nothing at all. It does not count. I have only slipped away into the next room. Nothing has happened. Everything remains exactly as it was. I am I, and you are you, and the old life that we lived so fondly together is untouched, unchanged. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still. Call me by the old familiar name. Speak of me in the easy way which you always used. Put no difference into your tone. Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word that it always was. Let it be spoken without an effort, without the ghost of a shadow upon it. Life means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was. There is absolute and unbroken continuity. What is this death but a negligible accident? Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just round the corner. All is well. --Henry Scott Holland January 27, 1847 - March 17, 1918 Canon of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, England From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 25 22:05:59 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:05:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <2AA84816-6FCE-4ECD-85F5-22E14C093654@bnj.com> Before you round the thing out completely, get a good 1/2" six point impact socket of the right size and use a 1/2" air impact wrench. Soak the nut in penetrating oil, crank the gun to max, and have at it. It might take a lot of cycles cycles, but it will come. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on > and let sit > overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an > industrial > penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Eginton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking >> and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short >> term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 26 05:56:58 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension In-Reply-To: <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070326075350.01da3890@blacksburg.net> At 09:27 PM 3/25/2007, Tony Drews wrote: >At the rear, don't do the longer shackle routine. That causes some >weirdness in the rear end geometry. The car will take two distinct >arcs through the corner. Put spacers between the axle and the leaf >springs and install longer U-bolts instead. > >I seem to recall something about using an MGB-GT front spring (Moss >has those for about $32 / spring), but I'm sure others have more >details on that. > >- Tony I took my leaf springs to a shop that works on heavy duty truck (think large dump trucks) springs. They de-arched mine for $20 / side. That reduced the ride height 2". hth jim >At 09:08 PM 3/25/2007, Gary wrote: > >Hello All: > > > >I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage > racer. Currently has > >Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > >Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke > to lower the > >car 2 - 3 inches. > > > >I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower > the rear. Up > >front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will > only lower > >the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > >competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate > and lowering > >the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter > springs and > >spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > > >Gary -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Mar 26 05:24:41 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <4607BB89.9010303@greenheart.com> By the way, the magazine is sold and is on it's way. --Justin From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 07:01:53 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:01:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Message-ID: Mark, I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate whether it would work for you. Shane Ingate in Maryland Mark Eginton wrote: >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short >of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the >fan >on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and >big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love >craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage >before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term >satiation and long term expensive grief. > >Help!!! > >M _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Mar 26 10:04:10 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. It's called Electrical Discharge Machining, or EDM for short. I hope to build one for myself someday, as it sounds like a very handy thing to have when you need one (imagine being able to machine a hardened steel stud out of aluminum _without_ harming the threads in the aluminum), but haven't yet. However it's a very slow process, basically works by drawing a spark from the workpiece which tears away a tiny bit of metal. No reason it wouldn't work for a crank pulley bolt, but it would sure take a long time. Randall From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 26 09:30:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:30:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: > Mark, > > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. > > Shane Ingate in Maryland > > > Mark Eginton wrote: > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right > when you > need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 26 09:49:02 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2007 10:32:57 AM Central Standard Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's > a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel > against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a > sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% > $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're > loosening the nut, not tightening it. > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 26 10:20:29 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00e001c76fcb$0da8d0c0$690fc548@RWKastner> Tight fasteners, like that, do respond to a sharp impact from a BBFH and a large diameter big drift. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: SHANE Ingate Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: > Mark, > > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. > > Shane Ingate in Maryland > > > Mark Eginton wrote: > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right > when you > need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 26 11:42:45 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brembo slotted disk "handedness"? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070326133840.01dace60@blacksburg.net> I'm about to install a set of slotted disks on my TR4. While the boxes carry the same part number, the rotors are clearly "handed" (slots CW on one, CCW on the other). While I doubt that slot direction makes a big difference, seems to me that slots "scooping" forward (CW facing the RH side), might pull more cooling air into the assembly. What says the List? Jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Mar 26 12:39:44 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: Message-ID: <000e01c76fde$81d325f0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The Mechanical Engineer's mantra!! Except when it's a left hand thread like on water pump pulley we once had to remove. The manual was a little "unclear", to say the least. We had it on there pretty tight before we got it off. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > In a message dated 03/26/2007 10:32:57 AM Central Standard Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's >> a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel >> against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a >> sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% >> $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're >> loosening the nut, not tightening it. >> > > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 13:09:05 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <000e01c76fde$81d325f0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: >The Mechanical Engineer's mantra!! Except when it's a left hand thread >like >on water pump pulley we once had to remove. The manual was a little >"unclear", to say the least. We had it on there pretty tight before we got >it off. > >Tim That's when you say, "It's always good practice to tighten it before you loosen it." To save face. John From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Mar 26 14:36:00 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension Message-ID: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 26 16:46:15 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243F1@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Yes I had a broken tap removed from an aluminum Vintage Harley head without destroying the aluminum threads using EDM. Its amazing but the peice must fit in the machine, usually bathed in dielectric liquid. Mostly used for making plastic molds with machined carbon electrodes... THanks for all the advice; I am soaking the bolt all week with penetrating oil - cannot find Kroil but using something else. It is actually a bolt (I'm pretty sure), the one that the hand crank engages. This weekend I plan to pull the pan (gotta do it anyway), use a 2x4 to lock the crank and I plan a WWF smackdown - wish me luck... M ________________________________ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Mon 3/26/2007 12:30 PM To: SHANE Ingate Cc: Mark Eginton; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&%$ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour : Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse : http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour : http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: Mark, I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate whether it would work for you. Shane Ingate in Maryland Mark Eginton wrote: I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything short of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the fan on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term satiation and long term expensive grief. Help!!! M _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Mar 26 17:46:52 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4608697C.2020105@141.com> That's what I always thought... ...until I tried to loosen the lug nuts on one side of my '63 Dodge Custom 880, many years ago! Susan :) > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From stutzman at adelphia.net Mon Mar 26 17:12:47 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003801c77004$a699b5e0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> lower the rear with lowering blocks and TR4A U bolts. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 17:34:09 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243F1@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <285845.34044.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, Well now I see the problem. I never could get the front pulley bolt off of any engine with the pan on. You gotta take the pan off then place a tuba-4 between the first crank throw and a stout portion of the block before you start pounding away with the half inch air impact. If you don't already own a set of six point air-impact sockets now would be a good time to buy them. Sears should have air-impact sockets in stock for a reasonable price. I also recommend soaking the bolt in penetrating oil. Kroil is really great stuff, and I have previously used it with excellent results on some really large rusty nuts and bolts, but any decent penetrating oil is better than no lubrication at all. J. Prettyleaf Mark Eginton wrote: This weekend I plan to pull the pan (gotta do it anyway), use a 2x4 to lock the crank and I plan a WWF smackdown - wish me luck... M --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From stutzman at adelphia.net Mon Mar 26 17:12:47 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003c01c77009$029d0550$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> lower the rear with lowering blocks and TR4A U bolts. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stlnyc at msn.com Mon Mar 26 18:29:56 2007 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:29:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu><000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <2AA84816-6FCE-4ECD-85F5-22E14C093654@bnj.com> Message-ID: Mark- If the engine is still in the car with everything is hooked up & operating, adapt an 11/8" impact socket to a 3/4" drive T handle (using a reducer). Put the socket on the crank bolt so that it's just above the driver's side frame rail. Disable the coil so the engine can't start & hit the starter. You may have to slam the T handle against the frame a few times, but it will break it loose & unscrew it. Fred Hodgson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Tim Murphy Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Before you round the thing out completely, get a good 1/2" six point impact socket of the right size and use a 1/2" air impact wrench. Soak the nut in penetrating oil, crank the gun to max, and have at it. It might take a lot of cycles cycles, but it will come. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on > and let sit > overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an > industrial > penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking >> and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short >> term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 20:37:00 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:37:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/07 3:58:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, jhassall at blacksburg.net writes: << Put spacers between the axle and the leaf springs and install longer U-bolts instead. >> Back in the days when employees could get away with more government jobs, I had one-inch spacers and two-inch spacers made at the old Shippingport Experimental Atomic Power Station. They were made from stainless steel. When the lower profile slicks came along, the spacers were removed, and the rear suspension is now back to stock. I didn't want the rear end dragging on the gr ound. I ran for a long time with Mother Mueller's competition front springs with the spacers removed from the top. Then one day I noticed shorter springs with spacers installed in the parts car. I put this setup into the race TR-3, and the front end is about even with the back end, or low enough to the floor. This move also gave me about the right negative camber. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 26 23:04:11 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:04:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> Uhhh. What?? I don't get it. Is this a street car that you want both electric and crank driven fans? Most people building race cars use the fan extension for a paperweight. If you're using a harmonic balancer most of the ones I know of have no provision for mounting a fan. It's generally assumed you're either going to run without one and just use motion cooling, or you're going to add an electric fan. I'm not sure what you're up to. If you are calling the existing fan pulley a harmonic balancer then you need to look again. It's just a pulley. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Don Carter wrote: > I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new > radiator > and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance > between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got > back from > one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine > thread 5/8 > bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that > will also > attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to > saw the > extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn > thing to > hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and > washer. Is > there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method > work? I > believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic > balancer > because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring > it not > to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no > room in > front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is > hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an > inside > taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so > please let > me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in > the other. > > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a > name of Don.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 03:41:04 2007 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <4608F4C0.4020900@verizon.net> Don, Cutting off the fan extension will work fine. It would be best to true up the end in a lathe after sawing it off to get a nice flat surface for the bolt head but with some care I am sure you could touch it up with a grinder. The hole through the center is somewhat over bolt size so use a good, thick, hardened washer. I have seen a fan extension replacer kit with a bolt and a machined aluminum "washer" about an inch thick. Only problem was, there were no holes for the dowel pins. I guess you were supposed to remove them. I don't remember who was making them but I think they were selling them on e-bay. Regards, Richard Good Good Parts www.goodparts.com Don Carter wrote: >I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator >and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance >between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from >one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 >bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also >attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the >extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to >hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is >there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I >believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer >because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not >to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in >front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is >hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside >taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let >me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. > > >don at carterdesignassociates.com > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 04:52:49 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:52:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension Message-ID: <032720071152.1167.46090591000778220000048F2207021053970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Richard Good > I have seen a fan extension replacer kit with a bolt and a machined > aluminum "washer" about an inch thick. Only problem was, there were no > holes for the dowel pins. I guess you were supposed to remove them. I > don't remember who was making them but I think they were selling them > on e-bay. Here it is: http://topshamautoparts.com/tr6/eliminator.htm Irv From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 27 06:38:46 2007 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:38:46 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <001401c77075$3ffedba0$6d15efdc@co3017577a> Don The Triumph sedans do not have the extension , they use a short hub about 1.25 inch thick to which the fan bolts . I have been running and Aluminium replacement on my race car for a number of years with no problem . A grade 5 bolt is fine with harden flat washer under head . Dont use spring washer . locktite it. Suggest you also check the harmonic balancer while your at it, we have a lot of problem with the outer ring spining on the hub , makes ignition timing interesting if you are not aware of it Geoff Byrne TR6 racer Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension > I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator > and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance > between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from > one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 > bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also > attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the > extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to > hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is > there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I > believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer > because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not > to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in > front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is > hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside > taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let > me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. > > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dodo at texas.net Tue Mar 27 09:18:17 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:18:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Smiths Sending Units? Message-ID: <003301c7708b$88392540$4101a8c0@ZAP> I want to use the following Smiths Eclipse instruments on my autocross car: * Eclipse Electric 52mm Oil Pressure Gauge P/N: IOP1-1552-10C * Eclipse Electric 52mm Water Temperature Gauge P/N: ICT1-1452-12C Can anyone provide me with the correct part numbers for sending units for an 1147 CC MK1 engine? Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (race) From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 27 09:40:59 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner_Cup_Update_=E2=80=93_Thriller_at_Miller_J?= =?utf-8?q?une_29-July1_2007?= Message-ID: <8C93EA5D57BB914-BB0-8A@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> FOT, The Kastner Cup race at Miller Motorsports Park (Tooele, Utah) is shaping up to be a great event. Although originally set up to run the perimeter track, Nostalgia Racing has recognized that the small bore cars may not enjoy the 3500 foot long main straight, so we will be running the East configuration. Miller Motorsports Park describes it as follows: bThe 2.2 mile East course has as many as seven major overtaking areas, and 14 corners, including the three-turn esses, which have significant elevation changes. The feature corner on the East course is the final turn, a 50 foot-wide, 9B: banked sweeper that leads onto the main straight. It is designed to create last-minute overtaking challenges before the race to the finish line.b It should make for fun racing! So far, the following have expressed interest in coming to the event: NameCar Chuck GeeSpitfire Mike BrunerTR4 Mordy DunstTR4 Steve SmithGT6 Ken Gillanders/Preston KaenelTR3 Paul SmockTR4 Bob MillerTR3A Dennis DeLapTR4 Chuck ArnoldTR5 Joe AlexanderTR4/Ambro? Jim NorlinSpitfire John FrymarkTR4 If you arenbt on the list above and are planning on going, please let me know so I can add you to the list. All Triumph participants will be eligible to win the Kastner Cup, an award based on 50% for the competitive results on the race track during the event (not necessarily the winner), 25% for the presentation of the car, and 25% for the attitude and interest in Vintage racing. This event will be under Historic Regulations, which means, no slicks or fender flairs. There will also be other bgoodiesb for all Triumph entries to commemorate the event. So make your plans now and join your FOT brethren and this great venue! More about Nostalgia Racing here: http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ A track map here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/images/common/map07.jpg More about Miller Motorsports Park here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/# More about the Kastner Cup here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Call Jimmy at 303.697.0750 for event information packets and entry forms or use the form attached. Thanks and hope to see you there! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Miller Entry Form.pdf] From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 27 09:57:30 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:57:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller Entry form Message-ID: <8C93EA8240F6EF6-1C64-1073@WEBMAIL-RA21.sysops.aol.com> All, Sorry, I forgot that attachments won't come through. You can get the entry form from the VARA website here: http://vararacing.com/Overall1.html Thanks, Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 27 11:05:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:05:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <6D821912-55BE-47FF-9AD5-CAD91DF89302@bnj.com> Oh, TR6. Read the frickin' subject line Babcock. Never mind. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Uhhh. What?? I don't get it. Is this a street car that you want both > electric and crank driven fans? Most people building race cars use > the fan extension for a paperweight. If you're using a harmonic > balancer most of the ones I know of have no provision for mounting a > fan. It's generally assumed you're either going to run without one > and just use motion cooling, or you're going to add an electric fan. > I'm not sure what you're up to. > > If you are calling the existing fan pulley a harmonic balancer then > you need to look again. It's just a pulley. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Don Carter wrote: > >> I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new >> radiator >> and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance >> between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got >> back from >> one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine >> thread 5/8 >> bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that >> will also >> attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to >> saw the >> extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn >> thing to >> hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and >> washer. Is >> there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method >> work? I >> believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic >> balancer >> because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring >> it not >> to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no >> room in >> front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is >> hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an >> inside >> taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so >> please let >> me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in >> the other. >> >> >> don at carterdesignassociates.com >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a >> name of Don.jpg] >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 16:37:47 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello: Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on my racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on one side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking forward to completing the other side in the next couple of days. I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer between the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the front end and we're ready for the next race. Gary '62 TR4 '69 TR6 From KLynch7589 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 16:50:51 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:50:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 Message-ID: Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring points for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech needs the data as he doesn't have it in house either. Thank you. Kev Lynch ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 16:52:13 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:52:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil In-Reply-To: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <000c01c770ca$f2886c00$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) from Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the shelf, so I was able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a quart and the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter has a store very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us racer types. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BOB KRAMER Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:55 PM To: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com; triumph_herald at yahoogroups.com; triumph_vitesse at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > Everyone, > > OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil > issue. > > We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical > questions > for our engines. > > As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP > (mostly > Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. > > The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything > rated > 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. > > SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph > engines. > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline > > These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. > > such as: > > A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) > > B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. > > C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV855) > > C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) > > So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are > they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor > factors. > > They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of > the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or > $40/gallon. > > Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to > thrive > on > hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. > > Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the > quality/capability/worth > of any of these products? > > Do tell. > > Best Regards to all > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websh ots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Mar 27 17:14:22 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:14:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner_Cup_Update_=E2=80=93_Thriller_at_Miller_J?= =?utf-8?q?une_29-July1_2007?= Message-ID: Chuck, Thanx immensely for all your work putting this together. What a remarkable track to run on! I'm tickled to see some of our more easterly FOT friends expressing interest in this event and it'll be good to see them all again. A huge thank You for your efforts. Steve FOT, The Kastner Cup race at Miller Motorsports Park (Tooele, Utah) is shaping up to be a great event. Although originally set up to run the perimeter track, Nostalgia Racing has recognized that the small bore cars may not enjoy the 3500 foot long main straight, so we will be running the East configuration. Miller Motorsports Park describes it as follows: bThe 2.2 mile East course has as many as seven major overtaking areas, and 14 corners, including the three-turn esses, which have significant elevation changes. The feature corner on the East course is the final turn, a 50 foot-wide, 9B: banked sweeper that leads onto the main straight. It is designed to create last-minute overtaking challenges before the race to the finish line.b It should make for fun racing! So far, the following have expressed interest in coming to the event: NameCar Chuck GeeSpitfire Mike BrunerTR4 Mordy DunstTR4 Steve SmithGT6 Ken Gillanders/Preston KaenelTR3 Paul SmockTR4 Bob MillerTR3A Dennis DeLapTR4 Chuck ArnoldTR5 Joe AlexanderTR4/Ambro? Jim NorlinSpitfire John FrymarkTR4 If you arenbt on the list above and are planning on going, please let me know so I can add you to the list. All Triumph participants will be eligible to win the Kastner Cup, an award based on 50% for the competitive results on the race track during the event (not necessarily the winner), 25% for the presentation of the car, and 25% for the attitude and interest in Vintage racing. This event will be under Historic Regulations, which means, no slicks or fender flairs. There will also be other bgoodiesb for all Triumph entries to commemorate the event. So make your plans now and join your FOT brethren and this great venue! More about Nostalgia Racing here: http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ A track map here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/images/common/map07.jpg More about Miller Motorsports Park here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/# More about the Kastner Cup here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Call Jimmy at 303.697.0750 for event information packets and entry forms or use the form attached. Thanks and hope to see you there! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing _________________________________________________________________ ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 18:25:08 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c770d7$ecdbdd20$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Kev If you cannot find anything GT6 specific, I have the original Factory Manuals for the Spitfire/Herald and I know it includes a lot of frame and suspension component dimensions. I could get my wife to scan the pages (she's the scanner guru) and fire them off to you. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring points for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech needs the data as he doesn't have it in house either. Thank you. Kev Lynch ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 20:20:42 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 References: Message-ID: <003801c770e8$11f30010$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have the softbound triumph GT6 and Herald manual part #512947, which has fully dimensioned frame drawings in great detail. If you do a lot of work on the car, the manual is indispensible for torque settings, clearances, diagrams, etc. Enthusiast Books has it for $49 http://www.enthusiastbooks.com/si/31319.html I think Bentley Books has it as well. I do not remember paying this much so you may want to shop around. This is the reprinted factory shop manual , just not in looseleaf binder form. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 > Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring > points > for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am > thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech > needs the > data as he doesn't have it in house either. > > Thank you. > > Kev Lynch > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Mar 27 21:16:45 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:16:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Gary, With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or braking. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello: > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > my > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > one > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > forward to > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > between > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > front > end and we're ready for the next race. > > Gary > > '62 TR4 > '69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 27 22:20:07 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:20:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2007 3:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, norlinengineering at comcast.net writes: > In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) from > Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the shelf, so I was > able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a quart and > the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter has a store > very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us racer > types. > > Jim Norlin > > > Many thanks Jim, There is a Baxter Auto Parts right at one end of my street, and a NAPA at the other end! I note that the Baxter's still stock my previous favorite Valvoline Synpower 20W50 in API 'SL', whereas the larger stores in town only have 'SM' now, so I might just relieve them of some of that shortly. I am still investigating all the various oil companies products to determine what the appropriate choices are for our cars, but certainly VV851 and VV855 figure high up on the listings at the moment. I am aware that the US oils may not be appropriate in the UK and Europe, and although I cannot say what is best in those markets, perhaps my findings will help people with what to look out for? Best Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 27 23:36:41 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:36:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, generally at the track for most vintage events you can get redline from Andy at Armadillo racing, or from the folks at competition Motorsports. redline works fine and costs about the same. but all this makes me feel particularly good about my Ceramic lifters. They might be spendy, but after a year of racing you can't tell the lifters apart from new ones, and the cam looks like someone polished it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2007 3:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > norlinengineering at comcast.net writes: > > >> In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) >> from >> Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the >> shelf, so I > was >> able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a >> quart and >> the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter >> has a > store >> very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us >> racer >> types. >> >> Jim Norlin >> >> >> Many thanks Jim, > > There is a Baxter Auto Parts right at one end of my street, and a > NAPA at the > other end! > > I note that the Baxter's still stock my previous favorite Valvoline > Synpower > 20W50 in API 'SL', whereas the larger stores in town only have 'SM' > now, so I > might just relieve them of some of that shortly. > > I am still investigating all the various oil companies products to > determine > what the appropriate choices are for our cars, but certainly VV851 > and VV855 > figure high up on the listings at the moment. > > I am aware that the US oils may not be appropriate in the UK and > Europe, and > although I cannot say what is best in those markets, perhaps my > findings will > help people with what to look out for? > > Best Regards > > Lion > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http:// > community.websho > ts.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Wed Mar 28 04:58:56 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243FB@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> THis can be very true, you will notice it when you late break hard in a corner as you transition to the throttle the rear spring rate changes and that can suck sometimes. I noticed it most in Autocross. I fixed it in my vintage Mustang by adding a 1/2 leaf from the axel forward since I was not using blocks. If you find spring rate changing in hard late break corners - drop the blocks and go to de-arching or just de-arch and be done with it... M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Greg Solow Sent: Wed 3/28/2007 12:16 AM To: Gary; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Gary, With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or braking. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello: > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > my > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > one > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > forward to > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > between > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > front > end and we're ready for the next race. > > Gary > > '62 TR4 > '69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 05:56:50 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:56:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 frame chart Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded... Kevin ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 28 07:33:25 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:33:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 In-Reply-To: <001301c770d7$ecdbdd20$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Kev > > If you cannot find anything GT6 specific, I have the original Factory > Manuals for the Spitfire/Herald and I know it includes a lot of frame and > suspension component dimensions. I could get my wife to scan the pages > (she's the scanner guru) and fire them off to you. I'm not trying to make work for anyone, but if that sort of drawing is hard to find or tough to come by, perhaps we should put a copy on the team.net servers??? Something to think about. > Jim Norlin regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Mar 28 09:04:15 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <023e01c77152$bd8a6890$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Gary, I had lowered my MGB years ago using blocks and felt the handling went terrible. I went to my local spring shop and talked to him about rearching(or dearching) the rear springs and he recalled that when the MGB's were new he had taken the main spring and flipped it over. This takes the eye of the spring and moves it from the top of the spring to the bottom of the spring which in essence drops the car about 11/2" -2". I did this about 10 years ago and haven't experienced any thing negative about it. The spring shop guy told me he could think of any reason why this would be a problem. The handling of the car is greatly improved with this modification. I also went to an earlier car front crossmember instead of shorter springs for the front end. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Gary" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Gary, > With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" > on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be > better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to > lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle > "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking > "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more > leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or > braking. > > Greg Solow > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > > > > Hello: > > > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > > my > > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > > one > > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > > forward to > > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > > between > > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > > front > > end and we're ready for the next race. > > > > Gary > > > > '62 TR4 > > '69 TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 08:45:51 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:45:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2007 10:05:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, charly at mitchelplumbing.com writes: A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle > "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking > "twist" of the tires against the pavement I agree with all that lowering blocks are not always the way to go, de-arching is the proper fix. Another point to consider is that (with lowering blocks) the lateral load during cornering puts more of a twist on the spring, unless it has a panhard on it. Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Wed Mar 28 13:22:44 2007 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR6 for sale Message-ID: <032820072022.1791.460ACE94000015BA000006FF22064244130E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> FoT: My friend is retiring and wants to sell his 1973, TR6. This is a very nice car with an interesting color combo and I would recommend this vehicle to anyone looking for a "6". Feel free to contact me off line at jcjcarrera at comcast.net for more information. John James -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "David Jepsen" To: "John James" Subject: TR6 for sale Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:39:28 +0000 John, Thanks for your help in selling the TR6. I have mixed feelings about letting it go, but it needs to be with an owner who will drive it more than I have been lately. As you know these babies need to be on the road. Heres what I know about the car. Restored 1973 TR6, mallard blue (dark green). 10K miles on rebuilt engine. Rebuilt rear end and carburetors. New Coker redline tires. Refurbished tan and black interior, and new trunk kit. Very nice daily driver. $16,500. From EDENMA at aol.com Wed Mar 28 17:54:22 2007 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:54:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, GT6 Data Points Message-ID: Kevin: I think I have what you need in a copy of the factory GT6 parts manual. I also have the same info in another manual. I am in CA until SUN will this be too late? Cheers! Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 09:35:35 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:35:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the world of modern vehicle design: Never compromise build cost for ease of maintenance. I'd hate to be a mechanic for a living these days. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 14, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > My humblest apologies for being off topic here, but... > > I just had to share this horrible experience! > > My '97 Toyota 4Runner SR5, (family vehicle) decided yesterday, (my > only day > off this week), that it's starter motor had done enough strating, > (at 102,000 > miles). > > Lots of clicking, not much else. > > It happened in a parking lot of a shopping center, (built on an > Indian burial > gound, so considered a jinxed place by locals)... > > I also had my 16= year old daughter with me, who was bitching that > her day > was now ruined, because she couldn't get to the Mall to shop - it > was all of > tw > blocks away! > > No comment. > > Anyhoo, I called Cingular, with whom I was supposed to have > breakdown cover > for the last year, and was informed that I had no such cover on my > account, > even though I had asked for it when the account was set-up! > > So, I had to call my wife, to come tow me with her '86 Ford > Econoline camper > van. > She borrowed a rather secondhand tow rope from our circuit racer > neighbour, > who informed her that towing with a rope was illegal in Oregon? > > After an 'interesting' 6 mile tow, to a friend's shop, during which > the rope > only snapped one time, (at a busy and dangerous intersection, > naturally), when > I very quickly called into play my boy scout knot tying skills...we > made it, > without being arrested. > > note that automatic SUV's with power braking and power steering, > are VERY > tough to brake and steer, without power! > > Anyhoo, when my friends saw the ensemble of '86 Econoline towing > '97 4Runner, > they responded with "you might be a redneck if", very funny! > > We first disconnected the battery, and luckily I had one of those > handy-dandy > computer memory keeper thingys that plugs into the cigarette > lighter - and it > worked - otherwise I would be paying the local Toyota dealer $45 to > reset the > radio code, which I do not have, and yes it does work! > > So to remove the starter, Messrs Chiltons encouraged us to > "disconnect wires, > unbolt starter and pull forward towards front of vehicle to remove > from > vehicle." > > Oh yeah? > > The front driveshafts were in the way, so that part of the manual > must be > referring to the 2WD version. > > The starter bolts came out easily enough, as did the heavy wire, > although the > plastic clip attaching the small wire is the work of satan himself, > heat > hardened due to the proximity of the exhaust, covered in oil/grease/ > dirt and > designed in the true fashion of the ancient Chinese puzzle, also at > arms > length and > almost inaccesible. > > But the real fun was yet to come. > > That increasingly heavy, and at arms length, starter motor was not > coming out > via any of the very small access holes, at any angle or direction. > > We removed the two 'skid plates', still no go, and eventually > figured out > that we would have to remove the long thin pipe for the ATF > dipstick, which > is, > (of course), welded to the ATF pan, which cannot itself be removed, > without > first draining the ATF and at least half removing the hefty front > Anti-sway > bar, > then disconnecting the pipes to the power steering. > > Nice design Toyota, most impressive. > > note that the bolts for the anti-sway bar are welded underneath > with the nuts > on top, and that the bolts closest to the exhaust downpipe/cat are > cooked and > rusted... > > One of those had to meet the BFH and then we had to snap it off in the > bracket, later drilling out the remains, just to remove it. > > Now my starter motor is in for a rebuild, and the transmission is > getting new > filter and gasket, and the anti-sway bar link on the other side is > getting > replaced - we discovered it was in poor condition - > > That little lot took roughly 4 hours, and my hands still ache. > > Not looking forward to putting it all back together. > > I am grateful that we were able to avoid a hefty towing charge and > dealer > bills for the work. > > I think what really bothers me most is the complete lack of decent > servicing > design by Toyota, and the almost useless Chiltons Manual. > > Never mind, at least I stil have the '86 Econoline to go to work > today and > tomorrow! > > Triumph design rules! > > Take care out there > > Leon > > http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Sun Mar 25 14:54:24 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <4606EF90.D7E06C21@greenapple.com> Stutzman wrote: > the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland. > report back any comments on any of these shots I sent this out a while back don't know if the list sitee problem let it through tom I picked through the cumberland site the past couple of years here is a list that makes it easier for the dialup guys http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1402&sort=1&cat=all&page=6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1399&sort=1&cat=all&page=6 sesslar 63 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=584&sort=1&cat=all&page=57 1965 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=581&sort=1&cat=all&page=58 spit fire #44 Cumberland http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1384&sort=1&cat=all&page=8 White TR4 Car#1? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1239&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 TVR http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1226&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 Dk Pink TR3A http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1225&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 Shefield bob minni http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1218&sort=1&cat=all&page=12 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1044&sort=1&cat=all&page=24 show TR4A Red http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1138&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 1500 spitfire/TR4A/TR8? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1137&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 1500 Spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1135&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1118&sort=1&cat=all&page=20 red spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1133&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 White TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1110&sort=1&cat=all&page=20 Car #36 Red (Peace sign P http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1027&sort=1&cat=all&page=26 Group 44 spitfire #4 and MGB #44 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=950&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1026&sort=1&cat=all&page=26 Group 44 Tr4 ONice after rain shott http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1061&sort=1&cat=all&page=23 Group 44 TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=962&sort=1&cat=all&page=31 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1014&sort=1&cat=all&page=27 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1040&sort=1&cat=all&page=25 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1001&sort=1&cat=all&page=28 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=957&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 #44 MGb http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=951&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=960&sort=1&cat=all&page=31 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1034&sort=1&cat=all&page=25 44MGB Spit and GT6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1013&sort=1&cat=all&page=27 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=977&sort=1&cat=all&page=30 dona and Don http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=946&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 Car # 7 Bill Emery TR3a http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=945&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 TR3A Show http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=834&sort=1&cat=all&page=42 TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=834&sort=1&cat=all&page=42 Eric dean era 55 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=577&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=576&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Who is this (TR2;3 in Backround) http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=571&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Jag 120 #176 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=569&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Ladies only http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=542&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=60 TR4 #55 Two cars B/W CP? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=550&sort=1&cat=all&page=60 Kiss http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=534&sort=1&cat=all&page=61 TTR2/3 out front http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=531&sort=1&cat=all&page=61 cuties http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=529&size=big&sort=1&cat=all mims http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=516&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=62 TR2/3 1956 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=464&sort=1&cat=all&page=66 MacAfee 1956 cumberland http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=458&sort=1&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=440&sort=1&cat=all&page=68 1956 cumberland 100m? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=457&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=447&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=68 TR2/3 beating Healy 110m 1956 drivers Rothchild and Hathoway http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=453&sort=1&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=437&sort=1&cat=all&page=69 MGA Jean Spidel http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=428&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 1955 RJ Kirkpatrick Pittsburg Pa http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=426&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 Cop. Robert kuhm http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=425&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 Traver McKenna http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=421&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 william eager Lister MG http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=420&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=70 Ferrari Sherwood Johnson http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=418&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=70 ferrari sherwood, sherwood and MoMo http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=417&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=416&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 Maseratti Momo http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=407&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=71 Loyd Bill Spear http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=408&sort=1&cat=all&page=71 Car #13Jack Miller Joe Grattpn, Heman meotti http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=356&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 Mr and Mrs John LUKE http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=351&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 aydrie Zuric http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=351&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 1963 m9ms http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=302&sort=1&cat=all&page=78 1962? Car # ?5 TR4 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=231&sort=1&cat=all&page=80 1969 #81 Spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=116&sort=1&cat=all&page=90 #4 spiitfire on grid http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=111&sort=1&cat=all&page=90 Car #81 TR3 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=83&sort=1&cat=all&page=92 1957 Tree TR3 's in pit with porche alfa andac bristo; Bull Wallace Loutz Nash and an MGA Cappiel http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=65&sort=1&cat=all&page=94 TR in background Dennise mcc;ougage Porche 550 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=63&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=94 10968 tullius and Kelly TR250 and TR4 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=56&sort=1&cat=all&page=94 1956 three TR2 and a Woody Car #16 nd Car #14? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=14&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 Corvetee http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=9&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 Car #13 Porche 550 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=10&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=8&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #119 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=3&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #72 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 car#44 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=2&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 car#249 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=5&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #276 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 healey http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=13&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Benz http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=15&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Car #277 Porcxhe http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=6&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Photo 64-022 is John and Peggy Luke changing a tyre on their TR3. John Luke was the first driver my brother crewed for. Luke and my brother were going to West Virginia University in Morgantown. Cumberland was the closest track. Peggy was/is quite a looker. I like the hairdo! The paper mill town of Luke, Maryland was named for John Luke's family. Also look at 64-023, the black or dark TR4 of Dennis Riley. I have a video copy of a home movie of Riley and others racing at Cumberland in 1964. Donna Mae Mims on a pit scooter. I have always wondered if this Dennis Riley is the same Dennis Riley that was president of VTR. From KLynch7589 at aol.com Thu Mar 29 07:41:17 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The question was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface problem? Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its problems. One at the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke to a few guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of spots. Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing time. All in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if true... Kevin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 29 18:07:09 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: <20070329.180710.-224169.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Kevin, I took a lap of the East Circuit @ Miller, while Nostalgia Racing was there last July. That was a lap at 4.5 MPH, on an open vehicle, with NO suspension.. Golf Carts flew by me, bicycles lapped me. Had a good look at the surface. Spotted one seam failure that looked to have been stabilized with an Epoxy product. The rest of that track segment was quite smooth, on and off line. During the weekend, there were NEVER reports from Flagging & Communications of any track break up. We NEVER had to hold the grid to get sweeping done. The track blower mostly kicked up dust. Later in the weekend I got a ride at speed and found it to be as smooth as you could expect for a track prepared vehicle. The East Circuit is part of 3 of the 4 configurations, so the second half of it gets lots of traffic and there had already been pro races before NR ran. The SCCA World Challenge guys did not note surface issues when they ran the full circuit. It is possible that degradation occurred over the past year, but the Vintage Cars did it little harm after its initial use. We need to hear from a local, with a report of Spring 2007 conditions. Bill NR Race Control On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT KLynch7589 at aol.com writes: > Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The > question > was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface > problem? > Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its > problems. One at > the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke > to a few > guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of > spots. > Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing > time. All > in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if > true... > > Kevin > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Mar 29 17:42:11 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Miller surface In-Reply-To: <20070329.180710.-224169.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Drove on it last August at the HSR event, it was much smoother than, oh say Hallett............Henry Morrison >From: William G Rosenbach >To: KLynch7589 at aol.com >CC: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Miller surface >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0700 > >Kevin, >I took a lap of the East Circuit @ Miller, while Nostalgia Racing was >there last July. That was a lap at 4.5 MPH, on an open vehicle, with NO >suspension.. Golf Carts flew by me, bicycles lapped me. Had a good look >at the surface. Spotted one seam failure that looked to have been >stabilized with an Epoxy product. The rest of that track segment was >quite smooth, on and off line. During the weekend, there were NEVER >reports from Flagging & Communications of any track break up. We NEVER >had to hold the grid to get sweeping done. The track blower mostly kicked >up dust. >Later in the weekend I got a ride at speed and found it to be as smooth >as you could expect for a track prepared vehicle. > >The East Circuit is part of 3 of the 4 configurations, so the second >half of it gets lots of traffic and there had already been pro races >before NR ran. The SCCA World Challenge guys did not note surface issues >when they ran the full circuit. > >It is possible that degradation occurred over the past year, but the >Vintage Cars did it little harm after its initial use. We need to hear >from a local, with a report of Spring 2007 conditions. > >Bill >NR Race Control > >On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT KLynch7589 at aol.com writes: > > Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The > > question > > was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface > > problem? > > Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its > > problems. One at > > the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke > > to a few > > guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of > > spots. > > Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing > > time. All > > in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if > > true... > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From KLynch7589 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 29 17:45:58 2007 From: KLynch7589 at AOL.COM (KLynch7589 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:45:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: Bill, appreciate the reply. Perhaps I wasn't clear, the info I passed along is weeks old. Please take with as much salt as you wish... I spoke with someone else close to the situation this week, his take on the situation out there is that it might turn into a huge "backcharge". Anyone being in the business knows, 'that' word is not to be bantered about or taken lightly. Like I said, my hope is that these sources have heard it wrong or maybe blown it just a bit out of proportion. Hope so... Kevin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Mar 30 02:27:44 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex on eBay Message-ID: <200703300927.l2U9RkZD302754@ns3.geneseo.net> I've listed a Moldex crank, repaired, on eBay. It is item number 180101598141 uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 30 20:10:05 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 30 20:33:17 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:33:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801c77345$531ee5e0$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Tony, I've cleaned up and rebuilt overdrives several times now but haven't come across that bushing disintegration. My Vicky Brit catalog doesn't number it either. John Esposito at Quantumechanics rebuilts zillions of these and he'd have the parts if anyone would. 203-459-9612 or john at quantumechanics.com. Good luck with it! Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would > follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the > pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there > one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? > Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the > "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. > Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in > the other? > Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open > up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and > "pin" it to the pump housing. > Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance > for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... > - Tony Drews > PS - Shameless plugs: > Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] > Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 > TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 > Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] > (gotta fund that new crankshaft) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > __________ NOD32 2158 (20070330) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Mar 31 07:57:44 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage - also go see Wild Hogs Message-ID: Neat website. I'd say Jay has done more for promoting classic cars and motorsports to the general public than any other one person. Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Jay Leno's garage http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/ ---- Linda and I saw Wild Hogs...great fun movie. Lot's of "must be a guy thing" comedy, Enjoy, Bill Sohl From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Mar 31 08:55:25 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:55:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 @ Road America Autocross Message-ID: This email is to just to give you a heads-up (or reminder) that there WILL be an autox taking place at the MOTRAH 007 event at this years Vintage Races at Road America the weekend of May 17th - 20th. The autox will take place Saturday the 19th and will be open to MOgans, TRiumphs, and Austin Healeys only. Both stock cars and race cars will be able to compete. Details are currently being worked out. I anticipate being able to give you all the good stuff mid April but I am sending this in advance so that you can make plans. This is probably a once in a lifetime event, an autox at a Road Race. See you there, Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Mar 31 09:21:36 2007 From: gasket.works at gte.net (M. Dunst, Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:21:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage References: Message-ID: <001201c773b0$a7c82aa0$8902a8c0@x4k3e8> I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and storage facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E type in Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars are fueld, charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show condition. He has three main garages two for storage and display and one for work. I thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed boy in a candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, a true mechanic of all things mooving. m From triosan at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 09:28:04 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:28:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com> <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about to pull the %%&&** tranny again. Chuck On 3/31/07, Tony Drews wrote: > > Chuck, Thanks! But, I'm using an A-type. I do have a spare that I'm > about to dig into to see how good it is. > > - Tony > > At 11:05 AM 3/31/2007, you wrote: > > Tony, I have a jtype od that blew up due to a fronzen rear diff [spyder > gear break at 4500 rpm under full power]. The pump part is fine. You could > have it, though I believe you are probably using an A type [have not > followed the links]. > Chuck > > > On 3/30/07, *Tony Drews* wrote: > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would > follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the > pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there > one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? > Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the > "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. > Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in > the other? > Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open > up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and > "pin" it to the pump housing. > Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance > for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... > - Tony Drews > PS - Shameless plugs: > Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] > Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 > TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 > Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] > (gotta fund that new crankshaft) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > > -- Chuck Arnold From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 31 09:51:49 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20070331114039.045d2fb0@tonydrews.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com> <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> <7.1.0.9.0.20070331114039.045d2fb0@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <20070331175143.4AFBB187A2E@autox.team.net> Repost with extra stuff at the end removed (first one bounced at team.net) - Tony At 11:49 AM 3/31/2007, Tony Drews wrote: >Congrats at getting that sucker going! Condolences on the tranny issue. > >There are a couple of things I can think of that may cause this: >1. There are two different length throwout bearing carriers. If you >have the "long" one installed and the "short" one is needed, it >could possibly be pushing in the clutch fingers when assembled. >2. If the bearing carrier is not engaged with the fingers in the >actuating yoke but in front of those fingers instead, it would cause >the clutch to be pushed in / disengaged when assembled. >3. Some sort of issue with the slave cylinder linkage (hopefully >this is the problem, because you don't have to pull the tranny to fix that). >4. A problem in the master cylinder that causes the clutch to not >disengage once pushed in. Some master cylinders intended for >braking use have some sort of check valve in them, I'm told. > >Take the slave cylinder linkage loose and see if you have any plan >in the clutch actuating lever, that'll give you a starting >point. If there IS play in the actuating lever, and the engine >still doesn't drive the car, I'm as somewhat of a loss as to what >would cause that. If, when you're taking the slave cylinder off you >notice that it's been pushing on the actuating lever, and once >released the tranny engages with the engine, you need to look at the >linkage assembly and master cylinder. > >I'm assuming that it's a stock style pressure plate. > >- Tony > >At 11:28 AM 3/31/2007, Chuck Arnold wrote: >>Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my >>TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to >>test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch >>must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I >>can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" >>for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota >>conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's >>were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about >>to pull the %%&&** tranny again. >>Chuck From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 31 11:39:36 2007 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8C941DB1181F157-1780-424A@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Tony- The hip bones connected to ...no wait this is tranny talk. However, its all the same. Usually due to "vigorous " shifting or just old age, the "top hat" bushing in the trans on the mainshaft breaks and allows too much endfloat. This in turn usually pounds the little bronze bush in the center of the planetary set. When this goes away, everything moves waay more than any engineer ever thought it would and the bushing you're looking at is usually the recipient of all the load and it too goes away. Sometimes that bushing, just out of spite, spins in the housing or breaks all on its own. In either case the end result is the same...there never was a replacement available that I'm aware of. So, time to get the lathe out and whittle one. or replace the housing! Broken gears and tears..... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: tony at tonydrews.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 31 14:31:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8C941DB1181F157-1780-424A@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c773db$e6f64600$690fc548@RWKastner> Good advice. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: malaboge at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue Tony- The hip bones connected to ...no wait this is tranny talk. However, its all the same. Usually due to "vigorous " shifting or just old age, the "top hat" bushing in the trans on the mainshaft breaks and allows too much endfloat. This in turn usually pounds the little bronze bush in the center of the planetary set. When this goes away, everything moves waay more than any engineer ever thought it would and the bushing you're looking at is usually the recipient of all the load and it too goes away. Sometimes that bushing, just out of spite, spins in the housing or breaks all on its own. In either case the end result is the same...there never was a replacement available that I'm aware of. So, time to get the lathe out and whittle one. or replace the housing! Broken gears and tears..... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: tony at tonydrews.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 31 15:23:35 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> I thought you might be interested in my continuing OD saga. Thanks to all for the excellent advice! I took the OD mostly apart and documented my findings on the overdrive page I created: http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm What's amazing is that the OD worked just fine at the last race. If you look at the pictures on my OD page, you'll be amazed that it worked at all (I was anyway). Also, Randall sent me a PDF of the Laycock A-type overdrive manual, so I posted it on that same web page, along with links to Larry's excellent tranny and OD articles. - Tony Drews At 10:10 PM 3/30/2007, Tony Drews wrote: > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 31 15:23:54 2007 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net><8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com><460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c773e3$448e10c0$6501a8c0@RTA> I personally know a dummy who once installed his TR-4 clutch plate in backwards. It would not disengage until he took the %%&&** tranny back out and turned it around. It worked quite nicely after that. Richard Taylor Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about to pull the %%&&** tranny again. Chuck From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 3 11:46:03 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:46:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Is it alive? Message-ID: <20070303191252.8FEB21879CA@autox.team.net> Just checking to see if the FOT list is back on the air... Mark, we really appreciate you and what you do! - Tony From mjb at autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 12:14:55 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:14:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Nice day Message-ID: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> Lovely weather, too cold for a top down drive, though. Besides, I'm still stuck in the basement chained to my servers. mjb. From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Mar 3 06:40:49 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 08:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net In-Reply-To: <45DF7DAA.6040404@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042DE7@server.Triumph.local> Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: February 23, 2007 6:50 PM > To: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net > > Things are happening, just not sure which direction I'm > going, whether life is getting better of worse. > > Hope I don't drink TOO much at tomorrow's Beach Party. > > > -- > mjb. > > http://fatchancegarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Mar 3 13:28:30 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:28:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice day In-Reply-To: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> References: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070303152451.01df11e0@blacksburg.net> At 02:14 PM 3/3/2007, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: >Lovely weather, too cold for a top down drive, though. >Besides, I'm still stuck in the basement chained to my >servers. > >mjb. While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for lack of team.net mail. Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. Jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 3 15:08:58 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042DE7@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: *Cue Dr. Frankenstein* It's Alive!!!!!!!!! Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Mark J. Bradakis ; fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: February 23, 2007 6:50 PM > To: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net > > Things are happening, just not sure which direction I'm > going, whether life is getting better of worse. > > Hope I don't drink TOO much at tomorrow's Beach Party. > > > -- > mjb. > > http://fatchancegarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrhill at chorus.net Sat Mar 3 15:17:58 2007 From: jrhill at chorus.net (jrhill) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:17:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Is it alive? References: <20070303191252.8FEB21879CA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <00c701c75de1$cec9b9a0$58f80b45@triumph> Tony Drews wrote: > Just checking to see if the FOT list is back on the air... And Henry Frye asked: > Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) Seems to be . . . FOT List: Born December 11th, 1996, when the list first went live on MJB's team-net server. Resurrected March 3, 2007, after a brief illness following its 10th anniversary on the air. Welcome back! Jim Hill From hoosierq at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:16:27 2007 From: hoosierq at gmail.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:16:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Yet another shot in the digital dark Message-ID: <9da98a770703031616p18d4dbaeladfef2c2ed06413d@mail.gmail.com> Slowly getting things back to normal with the dozen or so domains I manage. Trying an FOT message from a temporary Google email account I set up during the crisis. We'll see what happens. mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 3 17:23:45 2007 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:23:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nice day In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070303152451.01df11e0@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <294536.89277.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Isn't all the time a good time for a fund drive? Now my favorite place to lurk and procrastinate is back live. Thanks Mark "J.C. Hassall" wrote: While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for lack of team.net mail. Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. Jim -- --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 3 17:55:40 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:55:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] a Carrillo Rod Message-ID: <366757.14592.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is the last thing that I sent to the FOT - just about the time things went down. Dennis DeLap wrote: Shane - with thinking like this I shouldn't be racing a TR4........ a TR6 perhaps! - just kidding. Anyone out there still run the vintage Carrillo Rods in their TR3 or 4? Dennis SHANE Ingate wrote Then when one of your early-style rods goes south, you'll be cap in hand looking again. Given the price of "reconditioning" your old rods and sourcing a fourth, it will not cost you much more for a new set of four rods. Carrillo are doing you a favor. Shane Ingate, program manager wonk in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 00:12:01 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:12:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator Message-ID: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> I just discovered brake fluid leaking on my garage floor and traced this leak to my TR-6s pressure differential warning actuator. Do I really need this gizmo? I strongly suspect that I would not require a warning lamp to inform me that half of the braking system in my modified Triumph has failed. My bet is that I would quickly notice a partial failure without the red light due to the dramatic reduction in braking power. I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply ordering a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing differential pressure sensor, but I am wondering why I should maintain some gimmick I probably don't need that could potentially fail or leak again. Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 perform some useful function that I don't know about? Has anyone on the list replaced the pressure differential warning indicator with passive connections that tie the front and rear braking circuits to the appropriate halves of the master cylinder? If anyone on the list has recommendations for eliminating the pressure differential warning actuator I would appreciate hearing about how this can safely be accomplished. I am currently leaning towards replacing the differential pressure sensor with double inverted compression flares and the associated brake line splicing hardware. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, CA. --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From wensley at adelphia.net Sun Mar 4 07:05:30 2007 From: wensley at adelphia.net (Craig) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice day References: <294536.89277.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c75e66$2b0ac630$0300a8c0@Desktop> Its got to be time for one What do you guys think $5 or $10 from all of us? Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Husmann" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice day > Isn't all the time a good time for a fund drive? > > Now my favorite place to lurk and procrastinate is back live. > > Thanks Mark > > > "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > > While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a > Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I > think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for > lack of team.net mail. > > Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. > > Jim > -- > > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sun Mar 4 07:25:06 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 06:25:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator In-Reply-To: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I strongly suspect that I would not require > a warning lamp to inform me that half of the braking system in my > modified Triumph has failed. You would think so, but I recently bought a Triumph Stag whose rear brakes didn't work; and didn't realize it from a test drive. Didn't discover the problem until they locked up several hours down the road (towards home); but subsequent investigation showed they had not been working for a long time. > I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply > ordering a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing > differential pressure sensor, Not necessarily, some rebuild kits are NLA. > Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 > perform some useful function that I don't know about? Nope, all it does is run that red light on the dash and serve as a connector between the lines. Randall From markjwea at msn.com Sun Mar 4 12:49:39 2007 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:49:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator In-Reply-To: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I eliminated mine a long time ago by plumbing without this manifold. I was tired of resetting it when I bled brakes. Mark Weathers >From: Jim Prettyleaf >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:12:01 -0800 (PST) > > I just discovered brake fluid leaking on my garage floor and traced this >leak to my TR-6s pressure differential warning actuator. Do I really need >this gizmo? I strongly suspect that I would not require a warning lamp to >inform me that half of the braking system in my modified Triumph has >failed. My bet is that I would quickly notice a partial failure without >the red light due to the dramatic reduction in braking power. > > I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply ordering >a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing differential pressure >sensor, but I am wondering why I should maintain some gimmick I probably >don't need that could potentially fail or leak again. > > Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 perform >some useful function that I don't know about? > > Has anyone on the list replaced the pressure differential warning >indicator with passive connections that tie the front and rear braking >circuits to the appropriate halves of the master cylinder? > > If anyone on the list has recommendations for eliminating the pressure >differential warning actuator I would appreciate hearing about how this can >safely be accomplished. I am currently leaning towards replacing the >differential pressure sensor with double inverted compression flares and >the associated brake line splicing hardware. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino, CA. > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Mar 4 14:53:00 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: Message-ID: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> test From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 4 17:40:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:40:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: Looks like we're back in biz. congratulations Mark. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour -- touring and racing classic North American tracks in a custom Airstream trailer. Ponohouse -- living and playing in Maui. Via RSS Ponohouse AllAluminumTour On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > test > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Mar 5 13:56:08 2007 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:56:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi Here is the email For Zach and Tim Fountaine that were nominated and seconded into our group Zach is my student here at Wyotech and is building a F/P Spitfire in my class thanks Rick Junkermeier zfountaineARE at bresnan.net From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Mar 5 16:54:04 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:54:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the auotx lists. Thought I'd try a test. Joe Guinan 751 Day Drive Fremont, NE 68025 Home Phone - 402-727-8011 joeg at neb.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 5 20:15:52 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:15:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Test In-Reply-To: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <1016F120-8CF9-4825-A3A3-01379E0D7E3A@bnj.com> works. Seems like we're back in biz. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the > auotx > lists. Thought I'd try a test. > > Joe Guinan > 751 Day Drive > Fremont, NE 68025 > Home Phone - 402-727-8011 > joeg at neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Mar 5 20:22:19 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FREE body panels Message-ID: <565806.3966.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List: I am cleaning out the excess stuff from the shop and have a pile of TR2,3,3A boot lids and a bonnet that are free for any lister that needs them. They include two TR2 boot lids, a TR3 boot lid, and a post 60000 TR3A boot lid. All have surface rust...I don't believe any have rust through. The bonnet is a pre-60000 bonnet. I seem to remember it being a rolled rear edge model. It too has lots of surface rust, but no rust through. These are free to anyone that picks them up or pays shipping. I want them to find a new home soon, and I hate for it to be the scrapper. This is your chance to own original British rust at a fraction of the cost of scrap! Get while it lasts...before it reverts back to it's natural state! Thanks - Ed From tr5racer at btinternet.com Tue Mar 6 07:41:44 2007 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Sebring 12 hrs 1966 Message-ID: <20070306144144.86539.qmail@web86614.mail.ird.yahoo.com> JOSEPH HUGHES wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: JOSEPH HUGHES Subject: Sebring 12 hrs 1966 To: Friends of Triumph While recently reading through the official 12 Hours of Sebring book that I purchased several years ago whilst visiting the circuit, I notice that in the results for the 1966 race Bob Tullius and Charlie Gates were entered in what was described in the book as a Triumph TR4A prototype. The car failed to finish retiring with fuel problems after 47 laps. This is not a car I have heard mention of before.It was clearly not a prototype of the TR4A model that appeared in 1965 so I am intrigued to know what exactly it was! Mike Hughes UK --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 6 09:12:29 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Amici: After all the hard work he has done, I hate to burden Mark with another name to add, but I would like to nominate Greg Blake ablake2 at austin.rr.com for inclusion in the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. I haven't met Greg in person. He has been posting questions about preparing his TR3 for vintage racing on the Racing Forum on British Car Forum. The responses to his questions have been very sparse. I have tried to answer, but my knowledge is insufficient. I thought that Greg would get more information if he could post his questions to FoT. Also, I have a soft spot for vintage racing TR3s! Here's a little bio Greg sent me: My family has owned the car I am rebuilding since I was about 10. It is a 1958 TR3A. My Dad purchased it originally to rebuild it with my brother but he never showed interest. My buddy and I rolled it in the garage one day and took all interior and all body panels off. When Dad got home he told me I could have it if I would put it back together with him. That was 1985. Neither my Dad nor I had ever rebuilt a car before so it was more like a refurbishment. I got it running by age 16 and drove it all through high school and college. By the end of college it was getting pretty bad again. The rust we thought we had taken care of was back. So it went into storage for another 10 years. While I was in high school and college, I autocrossed the car in Mineral wells, Bedford, and College Station TX. At my first autocross, I decided that I would try club racing some day when I had the time to build a car. I tore the car down to the frame back in 2004 and discovered several issues. I started looking for a donor frame and found a TR4 frame in my area. I decided to build a TR3 Beta. The intent of this restoration is to be able to race with the Corinthians once completed. I would appreciate the nomination. Bob Kramer has told me about the listing before, it sounds like a good resource. Forgot to mention, in that 10 year storage period I found my self lost. I bought a 260Z and prepared it for SSCA BSP Solo II. Also a $100 Spec RX-7 somewhere along the way. Luckily I found my way back... Can I have a second, please? John H. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Mar 6 10:05:37 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:05:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Mar 6 10:47:24 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:47:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> References: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882084FE48F@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Larry, Shame on me for not getting Greg on the list. He is in my local club and the 2 of us built his differential not that long ago. He lives in Lakeway, not that far from me. Have you checked the CVAR Group lately? Some guys have been wondering about how you are doing, me included. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Mar 6 10:49:11 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:49:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <000601c76017$bf4acf32$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I happily second the nomination, sounds like our kind of nutcase... But I hope someone with CVAR signs off on the frame replacement. Building a widetrack TR3 is likely to be frowned upon by most, if not all Vintage Racing organizations! Welcome aboard. Henry Frye Sent from my Treo PDA -----Original Message----- I tore the car down to the frame back in 2004 and discovered several issues. I started looking for a donor frame and found a TR4 frame in my area. I decided to build a TR3 Beta. The intent of this restoration is to be able to race with the Corinthians once completed. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Mar 6 10:56:33 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:56:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lexington, KY area part pick-up/storage help needed Message-ID: Is there anyone in the Lexington, KY area that could possibly help me out. I have a hood and air dam for a spitfire that can be brought up there on Saturday. Problem for me is I don't get back from my business trip until Sat. at 4 and it's a 6 hour drive. The hood and air dam will fit into the back of a full size pick-up truck. I might be able to get down sunday to pick it up...longest it would sit is a week from sunday. anyone? aaron From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 6 11:08:31 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Jethot headers Message-ID: <320494.1999.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List: I had a customer ask me if it was wrong to break-in his engine with the Jethotted headers installed. Or, if the headers themselves had a particular break-in method. I had to admit ignorance on the subject, and had never really dwelled on it in the past. I've always just installed and ran. His thoughts are that it will hold in too much heat during this critical time. Is there anyone in the group that knows of a particular procedure? Thanks for all advice - Ed From chris at tr4-racing.de Wed Mar 7 05:03:27 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:03:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <001f01c760b0$9e22a650$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> No messages on FOT? Hey, wake up! From sbarr at mccarty-law.com Wed Mar 7 05:08:59 2007 From: sbarr at mccarty-law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEA10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a drastically overweight Spitfire? Scott B. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 7 07:05:05 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:05:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEA10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002001c760c1$9bbf2b20$84fea8c0@shop> Scott, At a car show in Phoenix last Sunday I learned from a guy there that Rimmer is now selling new ones. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? > OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) > > I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the > engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does > anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a > drastically overweight Spitfire? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Mar 7 11:01:35 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tranny case locating dowels on at TR6 Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I am about to rebuild a tranny again out of a TR6 that has had chronic tophat bush issues. The clutch works fine in reverse, first and forth but don't dare try and downshift to second. That's a pretty common problem, but one I've never had on the many trannies I have rebuilt in any other car. I swapped the original problematic one for another that I rebuilt and it quickly broke the tophat bush too. When I removed it last night I noticed that the locating dowels are missing. I have heard that this causes ckutch problems. Does it also cause this type of tranny issue? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From triumph_marx at freenet.de Wed Mar 7 13:13:09 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:13:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <001f01c760b0$9e22a650$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <002001c760f2$ea05f6c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Message-ID: <002001c760f5$070e9a40$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Maybe I get my mail back with the old address? If not....please help! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] test > > > > No messages on FOT? > > > > Hey, wake up! > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dodo at texas.net Wed Mar 7 14:21:04 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:21:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Message-ID: <000401c760fe$84ac1be0$4101a8c0@ZAP> I am looking to install a fuel cell in my 62 Mk1. I am leaning towards the 15 gal Fuel Safe Enduro (p/n ED115A). Has anybody had any experience installing this cell in a Spit? Any other cell I should look at? Thanx Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (race San Antonio, TX From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 7 14:31:04 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:31:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: <000401c760fe$84ac1be0$4101a8c0@ZAP> Message-ID: Hi, I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". So - how about a survey? example: Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 7 14:39:43 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:39:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then there are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so what's wrong with it? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku Thanks Paul From gp89 at charter.net Wed Mar 7 15:22:24 2007 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:22:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? Message-ID: <1244366136.1173306144485.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Gee Scott I"ll bet we could dust one off and see if it has your name on it. Is this for the 1300 or the1500? Jeff Senty Gp89blue ---- "Barr wrote: > OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) > > I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the > engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does > anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a > drastically overweight Spitfire? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 15:36:44 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: Message-ID: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> The Summit cell is not FIA-FT3 rated and SCCA and others won't accept it. Fuel Safe now owns ATL as well. I went with the Fuelsafe Sportsman - the soft bladder is safer, even if it is more expensive, and ov course the aluminum box to keep weight down. It pays to shop around to different distributors - I found a local circle track guy who ordered the one I wanted for about $75 less than the major distributors wanted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then > there > are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. > > However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so > what's > wrong with it? > > > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& > N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Mar 7 16:26:04 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:26:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days Message-ID: <008b01c7610f$f9ef6d10$2002a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days Spring is just around the corner, and all racers of Triumphs, and Triumph powered cars, are invited to join your fellow Triumph Racers at the VDCA's 5th Annual Wild Hare Run, held at Virginia International Raceway on April 13th through the 15th. VDCA provides a tremendous amount of track time that includes the normal two sessions per day plus a gimmick race on Friday and an Enduro on Sunday. Their entry fee is all-inclusive and for this years race weekend is $350 for VDCA members if recieved by 4/1.. In addition to the great racing on this historic, and challenging, track, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton and Leo Oddi, will sponsor the "First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days". This event-within-an-event will include several activities open only to Triumph Racers. They are: * A Thursday evening reception * A highly prestigious trophy for the top finishing Triumph in Friday's pursuit race, The Wild Hare Run * An "Awards and War Stories" cookout on Friday evening Now's the time to shake out the cobwebs and get ready for the 2007 season. Come and enjoy great racing and the extra perks due all racers of the marque. Check out the VDCA site for more details and your entry form. http://www.vintagedrive.com/. For any F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D specific questions, contact: Leo Oddi http://loddtr at aol.com/ Dean Tetterton Richtr at erols.com Don Marshall marshall at nefcom.com From richtr at erols.com Wed Mar 7 17:15:48 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c76116$edd87830$abc69804@Dean44> TR3A Fuel Safe 8gal Warwick GT Fuel Safe 8gal Dean Tetterton -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:31 PM To: Robert D. MacKenzie Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Hi, I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". So - how about a survey? example: Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). rml ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 17:46:09 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:46:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: <000001c76116$edd87830$abc69804@Dean44> Message-ID: <000f01c7611b$2b0927a0$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> 63 Spitfire Fuel Safe 8 gal Great install Steve Groh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Tetterton" To: "'Robert M. Lang'" ; "'Robert D. MacKenzie'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > TR3A Fuel Safe 8gal > Warwick GT Fuel Safe 8gal > > Dean Tetterton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert M. Lang > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:31 PM > To: Robert D. MacKenzie > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > > Hi, > > I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. > > I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon > Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that > vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is > 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". > > So - how about a survey? > > example: > > Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity > TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal > > > reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. > > At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps > at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or > numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). > > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 7 19:51:05 2007 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <45EF7A19.8010305@charter.net> Scott Janzen wrote: > The Summit cell is not FIA-FT3 rated and SCCA and others won't accept it. > Fuel Safe now owns ATL as well. I went with the Fuelsafe Sportsman - the > soft bladder is safer, even if it is more expensive, and ov course the > aluminum box to keep weight down. It pays to shop around to different > distributors - I found a local circle track guy who ordered the one I wanted > for about $75 less than the major distributors wanted. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > > > >> When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then >> there >> are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. >> >> However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so >> what's >> wrong with it? >> >> >> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& >> N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > I bought an Fuel Safe Cell last fall from Racer Wholesale for ~$5-600. They had the best price at the time. You can check out the dimensions and prices on there website. It has a steel box and is FIA rated. It it's a nice fit for my 73 Spitfire. Glenn Franco 73 Spitfire race car 60% complete From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 7 21:17:02 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:17:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0314708C-7CED-4748-AA8E-F2CEA02A9D5E@bnj.com> It says plastic bladder. I don't know what that means. Usually good fuel cells have a cloth reinforced rubber bladder. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and > then there > are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. > > However, the following cell seems to have all the > prerequisites...so what's > wrong with it? > > > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM% > 2D290115& > N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 7 21:14:30 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:14:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705E007C-E0DB-42A9-ACFA-BDF9F1074DB6@bnj.com> Peyote -- fuel safe- 12 gallon Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. > > I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 > gallon > Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand > that > vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity > which is > 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". > > So - how about a survey? > > example: > > Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity > TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal > > > reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. > > At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 > laps > at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or > numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress > (again). > > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 04:13:49 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Message-ID: I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman 15 gallon, steel, that fits in the spare-wheel area of the TR6. 15 gallons? Remember, I'm building the car for rallys as well. I chose steel rather than aluminum because in the event of a rear-ender, I believe torn aluminum sheet is sharper than steel and more likely to tear the bladder. I run 2 pickups on either side of the cell. Shane Ingate in Md _________________________________________________________________ Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18226&moid=7581 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 8 15:17:35 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] one pair of aluminum hubs Message-ID: <200703082217.l28MHfOK443604@ns3.geneseo.net> I find that Southwick has one pair of aluminum hubs with special studs ordered by a customer who later changed his mind. The studs are 1/2" diameter and 3" long. Does anybody need a set of this configuration? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Mar 8 16:23:10 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:23:10 EST Subject: [Fot] TESt - Delete Message-ID: ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Mar 8 17:42:03 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:42:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: Message-ID: <008901c761e3$c218e3b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> 1961 TR-4 ATL SP-112 12 Gallon 20 Gauge steel container FIA FT-3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHANE Ingate" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices >I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman 15 gallon, steel, that fits > in the spare-wheel area of the TR6. > > 15 gallons? Remember, I'm building the car for > rallys as well. I chose steel rather than aluminum > because in the event of a rear-ender, I believe > torn aluminum sheet is sharper than steel and more > likely to tear the bladder. > > I run 2 pickups on either side of the cell. > > Shane Ingate in Md > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18226&moid=7581 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 8 21:24:42 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Thanks! From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 01:18:55 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:18:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Mar 9 06:12:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:12:20 EST Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: Joe (G) I got your test...are we back? Joe (A) > Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the auotx > lists. Thought I'd try a test. > > Joe Guinan > 751 Day Drive > Fremont, NE 68025 > Home Phone - 402-727-8011 > joeg at neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 06:45:33 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet & frame for sale Message-ID: <000601c76251$3634ee20$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Fellow Spitfire owners: Mk I/II Steel Bonnet, soda cleaned, ready for restoration, photos available, $250 Mk I/II Frame, very straight, great platform for Spitfire restoration, photos available, $250 Both in Annapolis, MD Steve Groh 410-322-9047 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 9 07:01:02 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:01:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ning network In-Reply-To: References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20070309140122.3C3CB187A31@autox.team.net> Very cool. Now I have an excuse for being late to work this am... - Tony At 02:18 AM 3/9/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have >set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- >you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I >feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT >will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants >to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your >race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. > >I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed >this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure >Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency From mjb at autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:21:05 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:21:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: (message from Bill Babcock on Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:18:55 -1000) References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> >you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >friends, there's a forum, etc. Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local for a couple of years now. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 10:27:21 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:27:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ning network In-Reply-To: <20070309140117.BB44B284B7@mxfilter.bnj.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309140117.BB44B284B7@mxfilter.bnj.com> Message-ID: Yup, it's a time waster. But very useful. I've got a bunch of cool videos to upload when I have the chance, It doesn't make sense to restrict the site to active vintage racers, or even just Triumph guys, because there's no email unless set it up to deliver notifications to you, so if there's anyone you want to invite, have at it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:01 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Very cool. Now I have an excuse for being late to work this am... > > - Tony > > At 02:18 AM 3/9/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >> In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have >> set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- >> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >> friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I >> feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT >> will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants >> to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your >> race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. >> >> I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed >> this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure >> Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. >> >> Bill Babcock >> billb at bnj.com >> bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 10:31:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:31:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> Really! I'm as guilty as anyone else of pigeonholing the capabilities of the things I use all the time, I just think of the FOT as email. Just like I don't use my cell phone as a camera even though it is. I'll take a look at it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: >> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >> friends, there's a forum, etc. > > Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local > for a couple of years now. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 11:19:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:19:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <834E9564-25E5-4A72-A60C-C99020EF5E61@bnj.com> Very cool capabilities, but a lot more intimidating. I think the way services like Myspace grow so huge is that they are extremely easy to use even if they don't have all the capability the system you put up has. Myspace has 150 million users now--that's the population of the twenty largest cities on earth combined. I love the idea of a wiki for vintage racing--could be a huge repository of information, especially the questions that get asked and answered again and again. Unfortunately all those experts would have to actually USE it. You could easily imagine all the content of Kas's books, everything anyone knows about plumbing, suspension, transmissions, special tools, alternate ways of doing things, tweaks, etc. all in one place, editable and upgradeable by everyone. But it would take a pretty dedicated group of people to make it happen. Just cutting and pasting answers from existing email would be a great start but a lot of work. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Really! I'm as guilty as anyone else of pigeonholing the capabilities > of the things I use all the time, I just think of the FOT as email. > Just like I don't use my cell phone as a camera even though it is. > I'll take a look at it. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > >>> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >>> friends, there's a forum, etc. >> >> Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local >> for a couple of years now. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Mar 9 11:52:27 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <000201c7627c$13fa00ac$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Geez, Bill, if this nirvana of all things Vintage Racing actually existed, what would we all talk about? Henry Frye Sent from my Treo PDA I love the idea of a wiki for vintage racing--could be a huge repository of information, especially the questions that get asked From Don at carterdesignassociates.com Fri Mar 9 13:43:33 2007 From: Don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Message-ID: Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Mar 9 14:47:00 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Message-ID: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> I am wearing JEANS and that blew my skirt up!!!!!! Holy COW!!! I am EXTREMELY jealous! I loved his crack about Michael Schumacher retiring because he realized he was slower than him. :) Thanks for sharing, Don! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Don Carter Don at carterdesignassociates.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Mar 9 15:00:42 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:00:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transportation needed Message-ID: <20070309220118.DEFC4187A9F@autox.team.net> I could use some help in transporting a 1.5 liter Spitfire longblock from the San Diego, Calif area to Albuquerque, NM I will gladly pay gas money etc. for this assistance. As Always, Thanks, Walt Hollowell From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 9 15:40:18 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times the retail price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to develop that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I know in the German government. It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the world under their umbrella. My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Carter To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 15:49:36 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:49:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: <001501c7629d$3740f560$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> I'm with you Terry - I've owned a Ferrari, and it was the best car I've ever owned, and oh-so-beautiful, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Don Carter" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times the > retail > price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to develop > that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I know > in > the German government. > > It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the world > under > their umbrella. > > My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? > > Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... > > > Terry Stetler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Carter > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > om>> > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run > ... > > > > > ://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed>> > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed> > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > > tp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redi> > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > .com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Mar 9 18:04:36 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you >have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), >figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and >found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The >manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one >of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will >offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the >ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Scott I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From mwpruitt at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 18:57:48 2007 From: mwpruitt at comcast.net (Mark Pruitt) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c762b7$8788dfa0$6700a8c0@dellp4> That blew my hair back.... But wait, I don't have any hair! :-) That was awesome! Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Carter Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:44 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 9 20:24:13 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ultimate Simulator Message-ID: Here is a cross-post from another list http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fom_Bx9pX0 Paul From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:07:31 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:07:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <158BDF5D-DBEA-4B8C-9C70-37FA6498DD5D@bnj.com> Diane recently bought a used Bentley Continental Flying Spur (or maybe that was pre-owned). It clearly demonstrates that Volkswagen is into making statements. 195 MPH with a four door sedan. It is a wonderful car, she'll probably own it the rest of her life. Did anybody read that great article recently about Phil Hill and the car his aunt had when he was a kid. He restored it and won at Pebble with it ages ago. I hear that Phil isn't doing so well. great guys like that you just want them to be around forever. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times > the retail > price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to > develop > that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I > know in > the German government. > > It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the > world under > their umbrella. > > My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? > > Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... > > > Terry Stetler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Carter > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > es.c > om>> > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed > run > ... > > > > speed ://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed>> > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top- > speed www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed> > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free > from AOL at > aol?redi tp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redi> > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > www.incredimail > .com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:02:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:02:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Wow. I'd like to do that please. The most interesting part was how composed the car was. At near 200 MPH if you just lift the throttle suddenly you can spin. Jay Leno did it. Clearly the engineering in the car prevents that. Probaly mostly flying on the computer. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:47 AM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > I am wearing JEANS and that blew my skirt up!!!!!! > > Holy COW!!! I am EXTREMELY jealous! > > I loved his crack about Michael Schumacher retiring because he > realized he > was slower than him. :) > > Thanks for sharing, Don! > > Susan :) > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Don Carter Don at carterdesignassociates.com > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run > ... > > > > speed> > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > redi > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:10:04 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:10:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <6C313C94-5053-4AB3-B767-CDF507027244@bnj.com> I used my fairly ordinary press to do it with many hubs. the trick is (as always with tapered fit devices) put a lot of oomph on it and then strike it smartly on the side of the joint. Watch your toes and shins. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:04 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >> Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure >> many of you >> have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 >> TR4 (#445), >> figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear >> drums and >> found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear >> seals. The >> manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 >> come with one >> of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >> Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels >> that will >> offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to >> replace the >> ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. > Scott > > I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I > took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) > suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs > were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave > up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 > bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. > > hth > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > jhassall at blacksburg.net > '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sat Mar 10 07:29:21 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BA@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> That has to be the singularly most exciting clip I have ever seen. My adrenaline is up. I do however have to respectfully rebutt the ugly statement. I thought it was very cool looking but hey, I drive a TR3... I want that guys job!!! M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Don Carter Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 3:43 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sat Mar 10 09:04:02 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking up Russ Moore in upstate NY References: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BA@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Joe referred me to you; "is in Brooktondale and is on the list...mostly lurking". I drive through Brooktondale when I take the long way home from work. Heard you may be able to help me with an issue. Thanks, Mark ________________________________ From dave at microworks.net Sat Mar 10 14:45:00 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphest 2007 Message-ID: <20070310215250.SOCB3546.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Anyone on the list planning or thinking about attending Triumphest this Fall? http://www.triumphest.com Of course my personal favorite of the Photos in the Gallery from the last Triumphest that DCTRA hosted has to be (I have the original cropped and blown up to 36" x 19" and hanging in my garage: http://www.triumphest.com/?page_id=11&path=TFest2002/Nuss/disk1&f=MVC-019S.JPG From LOddTR at aol.com Sat Mar 10 16:03:43 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:03:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Please add the Google group to your "send to" list Message-ID: A number of FOT'ers have not been able to receive mail through the team.net server. Google groups is working fine so please add that address if you originate a message and hit "reply to all" if responding. That will help those of us in withdrawal to get our fix. _FOT- at Googlegroups.com_ (FOT- at Googlegroups.com) Leo Oddi


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 18:40:23 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:40:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very limited after the taper releases. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino , California TR-6 Comm # 55432L --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. From billsohl at optonline.net Mon Mar 5 12:04:04 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New email address - FOTer Bill Sohl In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <878372C8595B41DCB2684F9F412609F7@SohlPC> FYI to all, especially MKB... New email address for Bill Sohl is: billsohl at optonline.net Old domain was mindspring.com Thanks, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] test > Looks like we're back in biz. congratulations Mark. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > Subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour -- touring and racing classic North American > tracks in a custom Airstream trailer. > Ponohouse -- living and playing in Maui. > > Via RSS > Ponohouse > AllAluminumTour > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > >> test >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 11 07:18:15 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F40197.80007@pobox.com> Jim, That sounds like a useful fixture. I wish you would put a picture up somewhere, so I could see what it looks like. Speaking of hub removal. Check out the bidding on ebay item 13008552474. I think I'd rather make a fixture and use a press. Larry Young Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. > > According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. > > The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely > engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. > > If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very limited after the taper releases. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino , California > TR-6 Comm # 55432L > > > > >--------------------------------- >Finding fabulous fares is fun. >Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 11 07:19:45 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:19:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F401F1.40105@pobox.com> Oops, that was ebay item 130085524743. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 6 20:58:31 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:58:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882084FE48F@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <000201c7606c$dfc73f60$1a22b348@blake1> Thanks guys. So if I want something to be posted I cc fot at autox.team.net? -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:47 AM To: Larry Young; John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination Larry, Shame on me for not getting Greg on the list. He is in my local club and the 2 of us built his differential not that long ago. He lives in Lakeway, not that far from me. Have you checked the CVAR Group lately? Some guys have been wondering about how you are doing, me included. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 10 23:16:25 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:16:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Personally I like the big bang method. I've never failed to disassemble a hub, but you do have to watch your toes. I don't have no stinking tool, just a press and a BFH (big .. hammer) Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the > dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 > when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for > disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset > when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly > servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub > axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department > could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and > that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to > take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall > how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take > the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my > professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. > > According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff > enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting > flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the > shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade > fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he > machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership > broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was > thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his > fixture slightly. > > The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat > and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness > the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of > 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the > middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to > accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the > flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top > plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates > that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After > all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel > mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top > plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four > 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws > onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press > force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it > completely > engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The > mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the > wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating > shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. > > If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble > TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make > arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local > automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun > watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped > up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to > the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little > heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets > go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly > out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very > limited after the taper releases. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino , California > TR-6 Comm # 55432L > > > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find > flight and hotel bargains. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From richtr at erols.com Wed Mar 7 15:38:26 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <001301c71d91$2a1b63d0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804@Dean44> Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk about oil and the loss of Zinc. As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet motors. There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in racing oil. Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com If you can't find it available in your area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. Dean T. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Solow Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:00 PM To: Jack W. Drews; Mark J. Bradakis; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil The information that we have obtained from Phillips/Coneco, the new owner/s of the Kendall Brand. The formulation of all Kendall oils were changed about 2 or 3 years ago. The only oil that was not changed was the 70 sae drag racing oil. All of the other GT-1 oils which had previously been real "race oils" were reformulated to conform the the specs for street oils which will not harm cat converters! According to the information that we have obtained, the oils that are available with the extreme pressure additives still in them are formulated for passenger car Diesel engines. There are 3 oils that have HD zinc and phospheros packages. They are Chevron Delo 100 oils, Mobil Delvac 1, and Shell Rotella T. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Mark J. Bradakis" ; Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > My understanding from my favorite oil industry executive is that > "all" major brands are formulated to meet the newest API standard > which is SM. That is the standard that took all those goodies out of the > oil. > > Want a low cost oil that is still made to the previous standard? > > Kendall GT-1 High Performance motor oil, available from your local > parts pimp but not from the Walmarts of the world. It's dirt cheap > compared to the Red Lines, etc. It meets API SL, SJ, and SH, but not > SM. I used it last season in a newly built engine and after running a > whole season on the same sump-full, disassembly showed the parts > still looking like new. > > You can get it in straight single-weights or in dual spec. I use > 20W-50. I pay $28 a case. All circle track racers in my area use it. > > Take a look at Amsoil's site, > > http://mcgeerf.tripod.com/americansyntheticoil/id17.html > > and look at the zinc content of all the oils. Kendall is the highest. > Now, the caveat: I don't know when the Amsoil data was prepared -- > wen I check the Kendall site and look at GT1, it says it meets the SM > spec. But sitting on my desk is a jug of Kendall GT-1 High Prformance > oil and the label says SL, SJ, SH. i hope they haven't changed it > over the winter. > > >>From: "BOB KRAMER" >>To: "FOT List" >>Subject: OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS >>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:04:57 -0600 >> >> >>This was posted on the some British Car web forums and based on the >>feedback >>it is not widely known apparently ----- >> >>OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS!!!!! >> >>By: Keith Ansell, Foreign Parts Positively, Inc. >> >>About a year ago I read about the reduction of zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP) >>in the oils supplied with API approval that could affect sliding and high >>pressure (EP) friction in our cars. The reduction of these chemicals in >>supplied oil was based on the fact that zinc, manganese and/or phosphates >>reduce the effectiveness and eventually damage catalytic converters and >>introduce minute amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere. > > ................snip....................... > >>Bob Kramer >>rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> >> >>=== Help keep Team.Net on the air >>=== http://www.team.net/donate.html > > uncle jack > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 21:37:14 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <20070310043714.896.qmail@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I also noticed that the responses were off the topic, and am wondering if others have similar experiences as ours. I already e-mailed the following response directly to Scott. When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. According to the local expert the factory Churchill tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. Now all you need is a strong enough hydraulic press. Do not use a 20 ton press, because if no heat is applied to the wheel mounting flange the taper will not separate until roughly 22 tons of force is applied. When a little bit of heat is applied to the flange with an acetylene torch I have seen flanges separate from the axles with only 18 tons of press force. Again I do not recommend using a 20 ton press because this is too close to the maximum capacity and things like the press frame and the bridge begin to noticeably bend. If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that the travel is very limited after the taper releases. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, California TR-6 Comm # 55432L "J.C. Hassall" wrote: At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you >have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), >figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and >found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The >manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one >of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will >offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the >ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Scott I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 12 13:12:29 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another bit of progress Message-ID: <45F5A61D.9020100@bradakis.com> Finally got through to some folks at Qwest, so reverse DNS lookup for the IP address for autox.team.net should soon be working. So AOL folks, among many others, that have been getting Team.Net mail rejected due to no reverse lookup should soon be getting mail again, maybe later this afternoon or tonight, depending on how fast the name server data gets propagated out. What fun. mjb. From cak at dimebank.com Mon Mar 12 13:10:14 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> The Brad Penn oils are promising. But fear not - it appears that good old Castrol GTX 20W50 is an excellent choice for our engines, except that it has some problems with viscosity retention. Chuck Navarro at LN Engineering is taking this oil stuff very seriously. He's focused on air-cooled engines, so he has a slightly different bent, but those engines are flat-tappet engines and are having those same problems. He's been doing a lot of oil sampling and testing, and is continuing to do so as the oil makers change their formulations (seemingly daily). See http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html for his results. Check out the Penn oils ... they tested lower than expected. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 12 14:39:57 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil References: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel Mystery oil or some additive like that? I'm sorry to show my ignorance about oils and their makeup's, but I never knew it really mattered, but I'm starting to think so now. When I was hot into riding motorcycles (street only), I saw that Castrol GTX 20W50 would foam up in my oil tank after riding hard. The Triumph Bonneville is a dry sump motor and when I'd take off the lid to the oil reservoir I would find a lot of bubbles. I switched to Kendal and never had that problem again. I haven't been able to find Kendal locally for several years now and would like to use it again, in my MC (74 Triumph Trident) and TR6 racecar, if not in all my vehicles. How do we go about getting this on the West Coast? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kantarjiev" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > The Brad Penn oils are promising. But fear not - it appears that > good old Castrol GTX 20W50 is an excellent choice for our engines, > except that it has some problems with viscosity retention. > > Chuck Navarro at LN Engineering is taking this oil stuff very > seriously. He's focused on air-cooled engines, so he has a slightly > different bent, but those engines are flat-tappet engines and > are having those same problems. He's been doing a lot of oil > sampling and testing, and is continuing to do so as the > oil makers change their formulations (seemingly daily). > > See http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html for his results. Check > out the Penn oils ... they tested lower than expected. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6nut at verizon.net Mon Mar 12 13:47:00 2007 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <45F5AE34.4050400@verizon.net> Charly Mitchel wrote: > Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to > our motors? Charly, From the linked web page http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html : > *How can I boost the level of Zn and P?* > > One way would be to use GM's Engine Oil Supplememental additive. By > our calculations, between .5 and .66 oz of GM EOS has to be added to > each quart of oil to raise the Zn and P by 100 ppm each. But be > careful, more is not always better. Too much and it will cause damage > to your catalytic convertor and possibly other emissions controls. > Although not as concentrated, STP 4-cyl Treatment (in the red bottle), > is easy to find and inexpensive, and doesn't have the viscosity > improvers (thickeners) of the blue bottled STP. > > For a Porsche 911, I recommend using 1 bottle (pint) of GM EOS with > every oil change if the oil you are using has less than the > recommended 1200-1400 ppm (0.12-0.14%) Zn and P. If the oil you want > to use has less than 1000 ppm (0.10%) Zn and P, choose a different > oil, since you will need to add too much of the GM EOS to boost this. > > For a four cylinder Porsche, 1 bottle of STP 4-cyl treatment is the > perfect amount for boosting the Zn and P in a ~4 quart fill. > Alternatively, about 1/3-1/2 of the bottle of EOS will be more than > enough. From cak at dimebank.com Mon Mar 12 13:55:56 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> > Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to > our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel Mystery > oil or some additive like that? Maybe. Red STP gets high marks, but is disappearing. There's a GM product, too, that might do the job. The question in all of these is just how much to add, and when, and if the additives will stay properly in suspension. Read the page I referenced; lots of discussion about additives there. From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Mar 12 14:14:42 2007 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:14:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi The oil additive that will put the zinc and phosporus back in the oil is BG chemicals MOA additive its all zinc and phosporus Rick J From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 14:14:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:14:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: After having seen operating motors with windows into the crankcase at a SEMA show many years ago I'd be surprised if any additive had problems staying in suspension in a wet sump motor--it's like a tornado in there. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more >> compatible to >> our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel >> Mystery >> oil or some additive like that? > > Maybe. Red STP gets high marks, but is disappearing. There's a GM > product, too, that might do the job. The question in all of these > is just how much to add, and when, and if the additives will stay > properly in suspension. > > Read the page I referenced; lots of discussion about additives there. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 12 14:33:58 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:33:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: FOT: I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT Event in July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This would make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at BeaverRun and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA is a great place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that is somewhat under rated. Opinions are invited, loudly and often. This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is slated for the East Coast in 2008. This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with high cost and little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. Best Regards, Joe Alexander From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 14:36:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:36:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A3B5B10-BC29-4DEC-B09E-A0449B5D7266@bnj.com> The All Aluminum tour will be there, assuming they can stomach Peyote leaking gently onto their nice lawn. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT: > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT > Event in > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This > would > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first > at BeaverRun > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA > is a great > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that > is somewhat > under rated. > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is > slated for > the East Coast in 2008. > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with > high cost and > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 15:54:50 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:54:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? References: Message-ID: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am planning on being at Beaverun with my GT6. Don't think it will be allowed at Schenley. VRG is co-sponsoring Beaverun and they typically run a very laid back, lots of track time weekend. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > FOT: > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT Event in > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This would > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at > BeaverRun > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA is a > great > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that is > somewhat > under rated. > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is slated > for > the East Coast in 2008. > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with high cost > and > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 12 17:00:28 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Great Resource References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> In browsing for information I found this site with tons of great information. Got about half way through it and realized a lot of it is FOT notes including Kas notes mentioning repreat responses and wishing someone would write this stuff down. Here it is... http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/Net.htm I particularly enjoyed this note 50's & 60's racing vs vintage racing, Kas rememberances. It sparked a memory of driving with my father as a child and asking him why we don't go to the race track any more. He responded whistfully over the roar of the side curtains - "We used to just drive our cars to the track and have lots and lots of fun. Then people starting spending lots of money on their cars and bringing them on trailers. Some of us eventually couldn't keep up; it wasn't as much fun any more..." Made me wonder if I could have much fun with a die grinder and D cam on pump gas. Is there a venue in Vintage Racing for those not interested in metelurgy of flywheel bolts? I miss the Bay Area Shelby club track days where you could find a few cars to play tag with and then drive home. I had hoped Vintage racing would be a little like that (perhaps with a trailer) but reading what some folks are doing to their cars (250 hp TR6???) - quite intimidating... M From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 12 17:02:24 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:02:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very informative. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 12 18:01:28 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that film? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very informative. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 12 18:11:27 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:11:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? At 05:01 PM 3/12/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that film? > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Kas Kastner >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM > Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > > > > > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very >informative. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 12 18:26:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out that it was true, you are screwed. On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Mar 12 18:31:05 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:31:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: Hi Guys! Many thanx to Mark for getting us back online and another one to Bill for keeping us going in the interim. Heroes both. I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis for a race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the dipstick hole in the cover. Both have the vents cast intothe side of the case. I'll be buying the close ratio set from Ken G., Anybody know the tricks to make these stout boxes better...and lighter? Steve ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Mon Mar 12 19:25:01 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers References: Message-ID: <004801c7650e$6d7b1980$4b8cb304@Bud> Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of Sympathy for Captain Marvel Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers > Hi Guys! > Many thanx to Mark for getting us back online and another one to Bill for > keeping us going in the interim. Heroes both. > > I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that > sound > right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis > for a > race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the > dipstick > hole in the cover. Both have the vents cast intothe side of the case. > I'll be buying the close ratio set from Ken G., Anybody know the tricks to > make these stout boxes better...and lighter? > Steve > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Mar 12 19:29:29 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:29:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: Well, I think you mean Captain America at Marvel comics. I agree with your observation and really have to wonder about such a thing. Granted, I haven't read Marvel comics since about 1964 but when I saw the announcement I wondered what kind of mindset was working there these days. If it can only last 40 more years....... > > > Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global > that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of > Sympathy for Captain Marvel > Racer Bud > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Mon Mar 12 19:34:19 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers References: Message-ID: <006801c7650f$b99987b0$4b8cb304@Bud> Whoops I did mean Capt. America...and....When DC comics killed Superman..then... thru 7 special issues brought him back(I think it was about 1989) It was great fun, a great mental escape,and good for business, Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at msn.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Well, I think you mean Captain America at Marvel comics. I agree with your observation and really have to wonder about such a thing. Granted, I haven't read Marvel comics since about 1964 but when I saw the announcement I wondered what kind of mindset was working there these days. If it can only last 40 more years....... Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of Sympathy for Captain Marvel Racer Bud ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:08:45 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:08:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 7:31:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? CT would be a TR4 gearbox...which shouldn't have the dipstick. Perhaps someone did some parts swapping with an early or mid-TR3 box for some reason? Sorry, but that's the only question I can even begin to answer.... ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:10:35 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:10:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers -- OOPS! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 7:31:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis for a race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the dipstick hole in the cover. ==AM== Sorry; I think I misread your message originally. You have more than one gearbox, right? Again, CT is TR4. What number is the one with the dipstick? Don't know if you'd really want that gearbox, since (assuming it's all original) it would have a non-synchro first gear. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 12 20:47:05 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:47:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer><20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <01a201c76519$e34dc120$690fc548@RWKastner> I totally disagree with your remark about the oil companies, but I cannot but agree with your second thought. Why not!! The only thing is that our tax money is being spent on totally useless endeavors and investigation that could well be spent on something that might help. (that is a long tape Joe, but there are some very interesting areas that need listening to) Enough. NOW, BACK TO TRIUMPH CARS. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Dave Riddle' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out that it was true, you are screwed. On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:50:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:50:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone, you are right, I didn't look at the date. I'm going to be there THIS year if they let me. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I am planning on being at Beaverun with my GT6. Don't think it > will be > allowed at Schenley. VRG is co-sponsoring Beaverun and they > typically run a > very laid back, lots of track time weekend. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > > >> FOT: >> >> I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT >> Event in >> July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: >> >> I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. >> This would >> make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at >> BeaverRun >> and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA >> is a >> great >> place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location >> that is >> somewhat >> under rated. >> >> Opinions are invited, loudly and often. >> >> This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is >> slated >> for >> the East Coast in 2008. >> >> This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with >> high cost >> and >> little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe Alexander >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:52:25 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:52:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Great Resource In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> References: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: Yup, the honorable TeriAnn Wakeman, FOTer extraordinaire. Haven't heard much from TeriAnn lately. What cho been up to kid? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > In browsing for information I found this site with tons of great > information. > Got about half way through it and realized a lot of it is FOT notes > including > Kas notes mentioning repreat responses and wishing someone would > write this > stuff down. Here it is... > http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/Net.htm > > I particularly enjoyed this note 50's & 60's racing vs vintage > racing, Kas > rememberances. It sparked a memory of driving with my father as a > child and > asking him why we don't go to the race track any more. He responded > whistfully over the roar of the side curtains - "We used to just > drive our > cars to the track and have lots and lots of fun. Then people starting > spending lots of money on their cars and bringing them on trailers. > Some of > us eventually couldn't keep up; it wasn't as much fun any more..." > > Made me wonder if I could have much fun with a die grinder and D > cam on pump > gas. Is there a venue in Vintage Racing for those not interested in > metelurgy > of flywheel bolts? I miss the Bay Area Shelby club track days where > you could > find a few cars to play tag with and then drive home. I had hoped > Vintage > racing would be a little like that (perhaps with a trailer) but > reading what > some folks are doing to their cars (250 hp TR6???) - quite > intimidating... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:54:14 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:54:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <554EED25-63F4-429A-B07C-60411ACA8155@bnj.com> I firmly believe that Bovine flatulence is a right wing conspiracy. And actually, it's way worse than CO2, it's methane. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Dave Riddle wrote: > As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is > what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the > Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. > > The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and > generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that > planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in > comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle > ranches there are on Mars? > > At 05:01 PM 3/12/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >> I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that >> film? >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Kas Kastner >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming >> >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM >> Subject: Fwd: Global Warming >> >> >> >>> When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production >>> that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the >>> background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British >>> Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. >>> >>> I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media >>> paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel >>> with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- >>> founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. >>> >>> If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but >>> very >> informative. >>> >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 22:10:00 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:10:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up getting screwed. To really change the huge things that might currently impact the environment and might impact it in the future will require enormous expenditure of resources, and control (probably repression) of economic and social changes in the third world. When ten percent of chinese have cars, might that be important? Will india stop installing diesel generators throughout their country? Who's going to make them stop. We can't get the Japanese to stop killing whales and dolphins, or the russians to stop spewing freon--how are these changes going to happen. Does the USA act alone and just sacrifice our economy on the alter of "maybe". And would you really appreciate the consequences. I'm fully aware that there are simple things that can be done. Fine, do them and feel good. I do. but I don't really expect them to be significant. Personally, I don't know whether or not mankind contributes significantly to climate change. I do know that turning the entire inquiry into left vs. right, greens vs. big oil, whoever vs. whatever means that it's going to be very hard to figure out what's real and what should be done. Al Gore did the environment no favors. He's just another politician. And politicians are just like marketers--they lie. (So tell me Bill, how did you make your money?) Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive marketing agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that > it is > caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it > turns out > that it was true, you are screwed. > > On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to > minimize it even > if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our > efforts. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave Riddle > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming > > As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is > what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the > Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. > > The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and > generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that > planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in > comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle > ranches there are on Mars? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 12 22:32:58 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:32:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 roll bar or roll cage In-Reply-To: <01a201c76519$e34dc120$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000001c76528$ad7e47e0$1a22b348@blake1> At what point do you consider roll over protection a roll cage vs a roll bar. As an example, if I were to use a single main hoop full width, rearward braces on each leg of the main hoop, a diagonal brace for the main hoop, an under-dash front hoop, and a forward diagonal from the main hoop to the base of the front hoop. Would this qualify as a Roll Cage in Appendix Z? Appendix Z seems to require the front hoop to be above the steering wheel, doesn't it? My preference is to stay under the scuttle which brings me back to classifying this as a roll bar with 1.75" x 0.120 DOM??? Can I call this a roll cage and use 1.5" x 0.095? Are there any rule changes in the wind I should be aware of before going down this path? Can you use smaller tubing for the secondary members? I would like to make the forward diagonal brace removable so I can have a passenger in the car on non race weekends. Does anyone have a good sketch or picture of the double lug design referred to or a good alternate? I have seen some rather pricy tubing benders on the market, anyone thought of a homemade bender for the occasional user? My plan is to drive with CVAR. TR3 guys, if you have pictures of your protection, I would love to see them. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 12 22:44:14 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting Message-ID: <000101c7652a$40e7bfb0$1a22b348@blake1> I posted this question to the British car forum and really did not get many takers this is my TR3. I have the body off the frame to finish up the body and paint work. When I go to reassembly the body to the frame I was planning on replacing all the body mounting rubbers with new. Do any of you delete the rubber to have a more solid connection between the body and the frame? What are the disadvantages other than noise? Since I plan on using some of my original mounting points as roll cage pick up points, I don't think I should be using the rubber pads in these areas. If that is the case, is there any reason to use them anywhere else? Thanks, Greg From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Mar 12 23:05:10 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:05:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 11:33:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Dean Tetterton" > Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" , "'Jack W. Drews'" > > Cc: GCKINNEY at aol.com > Message-ID: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804 at Dean44> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk > about oil and the loss of Zinc. > > As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold > to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec > SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet > motors. > > There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall > refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad > Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and > phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in > racing oil. > > Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com > If you can't find it available in your > area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the > Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only > reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change > it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. > > Dean T. Hi Dean, I could not agree me, I am really fed up that Valvoline Synpower, 20W/50, my oil of choice has become SM, that leaves me very little choice as far as a high quality 20W/50 is concerned. Our standard engines already have quite enough to contend with, flexible cranks, EN16T conrods, lack of decent bearing materials, the usual thrust washer problem areas as well as flat tappets and the usual rocker shaft lube problems etc. Not to mention some of the less than wonderful reproduction stuff out there! Has anyone got any thoughts about using the Amsoil 20W/50 synthetic oil? It's specs look pretty good, so far as I can see. Best Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Mar 13 07:35:38 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:35:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tranny case locating dowels on at TR6 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: Bob, The tophat bushing in the TR6 transmission is a weak spot along with the retainer clip between the lay and reverse shafts. Also, the roller bearings will soon wear away at the lay shaft under race conditions where lots of H.P. is being transfered. Solution: Contact John Esposito at Quantume Mechanics (203) 459-9612. He has re-engineered the top hat bushing in steel with better oil passageways that should solve your problem. He also makes a solid bronze bushing for the lay shaft. Please mention my name to John if you talk to him. Thanks and... Good luck. Allen On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I am about to rebuild a tranny again out of a TR6 that has had chronic > tophat bush issues. The clutch works fine in reverse, first and forth > but don't dare try and downshift to second. That's a pretty common > problem, but one I've never had on the many trannies I have rebuilt in > any other car. I swapped the original problematic one for another that > I > rebuilt and it quickly broke the tophat bush too. When I removed it > last > night I noticed that the locating dowels are missing. I have heard that > this causes ckutch problems. Does it also cause this type of tranny > issue? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Mar 13 08:03:47 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:03:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting References: <000101c7652a$40e7bfb0$1a22b348@blake1> Message-ID: <004a01c76578$6c690010$1123394a@Elliott> Those rubber pads are needed to adjust the door and bonnet gaps and to set the body straight if it doesn`t sit perfectly on the chassis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting >I posted this question to the British car forum and really did not get > many takers this is my TR3. > > > I have the body off the frame to finish up the body and paint work. When > I go to reassembly the body to the frame I was planning on replacing all > the body mounting rubbers with new. Do any of you delete the rubber to > have a more solid connection between the body and the frame? What are > the disadvantages other than noise? Since I plan on using some of my > original mounting points as roll cage pick up points, I don't think I > should be using the rubber pads in these areas. If that is the case, is > there any reason to use them anywhere else? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 13 08:26:18 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:26:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/2007 11:00:09 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is > caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out > that it was true, you are screwed. > > On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even > if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. > > Amici... The other day someone told me that we are all on this earth to obtain eternal salvation, and anything that speeds it up, can't be all bad. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 13 09:10:17 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> At 09:10 PM 3/12/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords >and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic >warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up getting screwed. We always send nitwits. Another lifetime ago (17 years - hard to believe) I was doing work for one of Uncle Sam's three-lettered Agency's in a Country that shall remain nameless (would not be to difficult to discover). I had been in country for just over a year this particular trip laboring away in private sector positions (magazine editor/contributor, radio show host, US company quality control inspection rep, etc...) when I managed to obtain employment within the Host country's government. In fact I was working within their version of a State Department. Not only that I was employed within the office that dealt with US 301 trade issues. Nominally I was charged with attending trade conferences on their behalf to listen to the US side and prepare reports as to what the US position really was in general and some items in particular. US Trade missions to these conferences/meetings are a conglomeration of Bureaucrats (State, Commerce, etc...) and representatives of US companies with a particular interest in the current round of talks (aviation, agriculture, etc...). For the Host Country's side I was able to obtain a significant amount of intel for them during the "Continental Breakfast" before sitting down at the conference table. The US attendees would see me bellying up to the pastry bar with them and since I had a "white-face" they assumed I must be part of their delegation. I overheard lots of good information for my reports to the Host. Obviously similar reports and much more were going out the backdoor to Uncle. For the most part US attendees at these conferences seemed to be caught up in the moment of being overseas and wanting to get away from the stale boardroom setting to get some shopping down or sample some of the local delights. They didn't seem particular focused. I can assure you the other side was focused 100% on a successful outcome to these meetings. The reason I am no longer doing this type of work is that my Agency case officer blew my position through his sloppy procedures. We (my wife and I) hightailed it back home before I got a knock at the door to become a "quest" rather then a visitor. She had just become pregnant with our first child so the excuse was that we were moving back to the states for the baby. She only found out the truth this last fall when I was yelling at the TV when some no nothing reporter/reportettte was going on about Plame being "undercover" and my kids how asked me how I knew that Plame wasn't undercover and therefore no law had been broken. Since it had been 16/17 yars I figured what the hell and told them. Still have an old briefcase full of documents that worked their way out the backdoor. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 06:41:03 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:41:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c764a3$b28fbdc0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Thanks to those observant individuals who pointed out that differential lube everywhere was probably due to failed leather axle tube seals, not to the outer bearing seal being bad, and that I could avoid all the mega-force solutions needed to take the hub apart by just pulling the axle and replacing the seal. I did pose the question about disassembling the hub, but a few of you noticed that I may have been asking the wrong question. The outer bearing seal retained a few ounces of wd-40 last night with the axle standing on its end, so I'm going to assume it's good and try the axle tube/low effort approach first. Thanks for all the feedback. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Jim Prettyleaf" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal > Personally I like the big bang method. I've never failed to > disassemble a hub, but you do have to watch your toes. I don't have > no stinking tool, just a press and a BFH (big .. hammer) > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > >> When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the >> dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 >> when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for >> disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset >> when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly >> servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub >> axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department >> could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and >> that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to >> take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall >> how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take >> the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my >> professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. >> >> According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff >> enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting >> flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the >> shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade >> fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he >> machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership >> broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was >> thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his >> fixture slightly. >> >> The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat >> and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness >> the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of >> 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the >> middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to >> accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the >> flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top >> plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates >> that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After >> all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel >> mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top >> plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four >> 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws >> onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press >> force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it >> completely >> engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The >> mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the >> wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating >> shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. >> >> If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble >> TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make >> arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local >> automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun >> watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped >> up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to >> the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little >> heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets >> go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly >> out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very >> limited after the taper releases. >> >> Jim Prettyleaf >> Cupertino , California >> TR-6 Comm # 55432L >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Finding fabulous fares is fun. >> Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find >> flight and hotel bargains. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr250racer at verizon.net Mon Mar 12 18:31:14 2007 From: tr250racer at verizon.net (tr250racer at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <25828964.548501173745875664.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Dean, Put me down for a case of 10 w 30. I'll pick up at VIR next month. Leo From: Dean Tetterton Date: 2007/03/07 Wed PM 04:38:26 CST To: 'Friends of Triumph' , "'Jack W. Drews'" Cc: GCKINNEY at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk about oil and the loss of Zinc. As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet motors. There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in racing oil. Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com If you can't find it available in your area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. Dean T. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Solow Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:00 PM To: Jack W. Drews; Mark J. Bradakis; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil The information that we have obtained from Phillips/Coneco, the new owner/s of the Kendall Brand. The formulation of all Kendall oils were changed about 2 or 3 years ago. The only oil that was not changed was the 70 sae drag racing oil. All of the other GT-1 oils which had previously been real "race oils" were reformulated to conform the the specs for street oils which will not harm cat converters! According to the information that we have obtained, the oils that are available with the extreme pressure additives still in them are formulated for passenger car Diesel engines. There are 3 oils that have HD zinc and phospheros packages. They are Chevron Delo 100 oils, Mobil Delvac 1, and Shell Rotella T. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Mark J. Bradakis" ; Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > My understanding from my favorite oil industry executive is that > "all" major brands are formulated to meet the newest API standard > which is SM. That is the standard that took all those goodies out of the > oil. > > Want a low cost oil that is still made to the previous standard? > > Kendall GT-1 High Performance motor oil, available from your local > parts pimp but not from the Walmarts of the world. It's dirt cheap > compared to the Red Lines, etc. It meets API SL, SJ, and SH, but not > SM. I used it last season in a newly built engine and after running a > whole season on the same sump-full, disassembly showed the parts > still looking like new. > > You can get it in straight single-weights or in dual spec. I use > 20W-50. I pay $28 a case. All circle track racers in my area use it. > > Take a look at Amsoil's site, > > http://mcgeerf.tripod.com/americansyntheticoil/id17.html > > and look at the zinc content of all the oils. Kendall is the highest. > Now, the caveat: I don't know when the Amsoil data was prepared -- > wen I check the Kendall site and look at GT1, it says it meets the SM > spec. But sitting on my desk is a jug of Kendall GT-1 High Prformance > oil and the label says SL, SJ, SH. i hope they haven't changed it > over the winter. > > >>From: "BOB KRAMER" >>To: "FOT List" >>Subject: OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS >>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:04:57 -0600 >> >> >>This was posted on the some British Car web forums and based on the >>feedback >>it is not widely known apparently ----- >> >>OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS!!!!! >> >>By: Keith Ansell, Foreign Parts Positively, Inc. >> >>About a year ago I read about the reduction of zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP) >>in the oils supplied with API approval that could affect sliding and high >>pressure (EP) friction in our cars. The reduction of these chemicals in >>supplied oil was based on the fact that zinc, manganese and/or phosphates >>reduce the effectiveness and eventually damage catalytic converters and >>introduce minute amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere. > > ................snip....................... > >>Bob Kramer >>rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> >> >>=== Help keep Team.Net on the air >>=== http://www.team.net/donate.html > > uncle jack > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 11:48:21 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:48:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds like interesting times. I've spent time in rooms where deals get hammered out. Anyone who believes that the USA is run by evil geniuses plotting global domination is so far off they're not even wrong. If only it were so. Rubes on vacation. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:10 AM, Dave Riddle wrote: > At 09:10 PM 3/12/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >> Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords >> and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic >> warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up >> getting screwed. > > We always send nitwits. > > > > Another lifetime ago (17 years - hard to believe) I was doing work > for one of Uncle Sam's three-lettered Agency's in a Country that > shall remain nameless (would not be to difficult to discover). I had > been in country for just over a year this particular trip laboring > away in private sector positions (magazine editor/contributor, radio > show host, US company quality control inspection rep, etc...) when I > managed to obtain employment within the Host country's > government. In fact I was working within their version of a State > Department. Not only that I was employed within the office that > dealt with US 301 trade issues. Nominally I was charged with > attending trade conferences on their behalf to listen to the US side > and prepare reports as to what the US position really was in general > and some items in particular. > > US Trade missions to these conferences/meetings are a conglomeration > of Bureaucrats (State, Commerce, etc...) and representatives of US > companies with a particular interest in the current round of talks > (aviation, agriculture, etc...). > > For the Host Country's side I was able to obtain a significant amount > of intel for them during the "Continental Breakfast" before sitting > down at the conference table. The US attendees would see me bellying > up to the pastry bar with them and since I had a "white-face" they > assumed I must be part of their delegation. I overheard lots of good > information for my reports to the Host. > > Obviously similar reports and much more were going out the backdoor > to Uncle. > > For the most part US attendees at these conferences seemed to be > caught up in the moment of being overseas and wanting to get away > from the stale boardroom setting to get some shopping down or sample > some of the local delights. They didn't seem particular focused. I > can assure you the other side was focused 100% on a successful > outcome to these meetings. > > The reason I am no longer doing this type of work is that my Agency > case officer blew my position through his sloppy procedures. We (my > wife and I) hightailed it back home before I got a knock at the door > to become a "quest" rather then a visitor. She had just become > pregnant with our first child so the excuse was that we were moving > back to the states for the baby. She only found out the truth this > last fall when I was yelling at the TV when some no nothing > reporter/reportettte was going on about Plame being "undercover" and > my kids how asked me how I knew that Plame wasn't undercover and > therefore no law had been broken. Since it had been 16/17 yars I > figured what the hell and told them. Still have an old briefcase > full of documents that worked their way out the backdoor. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Tue Mar 13 14:01:11 2007 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C933C17B4A9E5F-F58-1EBC@FWM-R18.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each year. VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at Schenley is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. Rich Rock ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Tue Mar 13 14:51:21 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:51:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Are there 2 FOT lists? In-Reply-To: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Hopefully I'll explain this in one deep breath... I sent this from my non-aol address... Being an AOL member of FOT and being apparently deleted after the resurection of these services, I created a non-aol address to use here. I went to the FOT subscription link, added my new address, replied to the confirmation email, etc. All is well, kinda... Shortly after I did this Mark sent out an email saying all was well with the AOL members, usint some language I didn't fully understand, but whatever. So now it appears I am currently subscribed at both my AOL address and my new non-aol address. The weird thing is that I am getting some threads on my AOL address and others on the non-aol address. None are going to both. They both seem to be coming from: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of (insert sender here). Is there a scientific explaination to this? Once they all go to my non-aol address, I'll unsubscribe my aol address! BTW: I subscribed to the Google list using a different aol address... Another subject: Kudos to Mark for adding the prefixes to the different list (Fot, TR, Spit) subject lines (something I've been bugging him for years about)! Makes the SPAM much easier to spot Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire Cwn74 at aol dot com and clarkfot at cwnicholls dot net "Reality... It's not what you think." From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Tue Mar 13 15:52:22 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More info... Are there 2 FOT lists? In-Reply-To: <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com><20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <005901c765b9$e5e82560$1442a8c0@semperon3400> I went to the roster list for Fot, tried to log in with my aol address. Failed. I tried with my non-aol address, this one. Worked. I looked at the subscribed roster. My aol address is not there. Hmmm... Could it be Outlook 2003 is sorting emails into separate folders? I dunno.... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire Cwn74 at aol dot com and clarkfot at cwnicholls dot net From jerryvv at adelphia.net Tue Mar 13 18:20:22 2007 From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? References: <7A3B5B10-BC29-4DEC-B09E-A0449B5D7266@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00c601c765ce$8e5aeb60$6601a8c0@toshibauser> Bill, The Western Pa Triumph Club sponsors British Car Day on Saturday of the PVGP Weekend. Typically 400 cars. We do it on the golf course and after every event they re-seed due to the large environmental impact we make! After 25 years it's become a targeted clean up area. Peyote will be right at home. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > The All Aluminum tour will be there, assuming they can stomach Peyote > leaking gently onto their nice lawn. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT: > > > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT > > Event in > > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This > > would > > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first > > at BeaverRun > > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA > > is a great > > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that > > is somewhat > > under rated. > > > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is > > slated for > > the East Coast in 2008. > > > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with > > high cost and > > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Joe Alexander > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Mar 13 19:33:44 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:33:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: Amici The United States was at the time of the Kyoto agreement in a position to substantially input into the crafting of the agreement to produce terms that were feasible. The reality of the situation was the US government was not convinced that action was needed on global warming - now more widely referred to as climate change. Consequently, the US policymakers allowed a document to be drafted that contained provisions that would never be ratified in the United States. Further, by not negotiating appropriate terms, it avoided a major public/political confrontation with other governments who were then and still are concerned about climate change. As is obvious from the dialog here, there is still disagreement on whether climate change is being accelerated by human activity. There is a well funded group of lobbyists, public relations specialists, and scientists whose job it is to critique findings on climate change - both for and against. Critiquing the findings is relatively easy in the area of climate change because the number of statistical variables are very large and measuring them with accuracy & precision is a major challenge. I figure this group has the potential to make a living on this issue for at least the next ten years or so. The bottom line at the moment is that the earth is experiencing a period of climate change. The consequences of these changes are evident across the globe. The issue is whether we want to ignore it as a natural cycle or take steps to reduce the consequences of our human activity. And if we decide it is being accelerated as a consequence of human activity (as indicated by the UN report); how does the burden gets fairly distributed get allocated and truly implemented across the world. Being people of action, I know that you will all want to do you fair share. Does anyone know how many cows would be have to be purchased and butcher to offset the emissions from our transporters and race cars this year? Cary


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Mar 13 20:25:38 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:25:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:40:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at msn.com writes: Well...1 Question..How long have we kept Climate records?..I don't know. Thanks Racer Bud ....that is the a major point of contention between the two sides on this debate...there are not long term accurate and precise historical records of temperatures and other climate factors (precipitation, etc). This is wonderful situation for the two groups of lobbyists, pr, etc making a living off of this debate. They also get to debate whether the changes in the composition of gases in the atmosphere (as obtain in polar ice that is many centuries old) is meaningful......plenty of great stuff for pundits....


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Tue Mar 13 20:41:20 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. Message-ID: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming new ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic food health probs .. People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 13 21:15:29 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:15:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> Message-ID: <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in AZ that we absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] .. It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming new ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic food health probs .. People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Tue Mar 13 21:26:02 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:26:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <00a901c765e8$7fa0ef60$4d83b304@Bud> I was in Tucson in 1998..My ex wife and the kids went Horseback riding..at about 10:00 am..I went to the motel pool to jump; in and cool off..THAT was my intro to How Hot you guys have it..The pool water was warmer than the air! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'BOB HACKSAW FRANK'" ; "'JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR'" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] .. > Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in AZ that > we > absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM > To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] .. > > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming > new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 22:53:19 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:53:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> Message-ID: <95C90DCB-A26A-4AF5-BAA0-A09EBC756BAE@bnj.com> Nice thoughts Bud. I know it sounds like I'm being very serious lately, but I spent the day windsurfing and surfing. Way mo bettah brah. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 4:41 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, > warming new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work > organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 22:54:05 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:54:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <70FF8874-4A4F-44A3-B4A1-7F75AAEABC0B@bnj.com> Thats one more nice thing about Maui--no stinkin daylight savings time! we don't believe in it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in > AZ that we > absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM > To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING > BURR; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] .. > > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, > warming new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work > organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Mar 14 07:51:43 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:51:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: <20070314.065144.-213707.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Figures just released from a 10 year government study indicate that, you can make a good living from a 10 year government study. Bill On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:33:44 EDT Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Amici > > The United States was at the time of the Kyoto agreement in a > position > to substantially input into the crafting of the agreement to > produce terms > that were feasible. The reality of the situation was the US > government was not > convinced that action was needed on global warming - now more > widely referred > to as climate change. Consequently, the US policymakers allowed a > document to > be drafted that contained provisions that would never be ratified > in the > United States. Further, by not negotiating appropriate terms, it > avoided a major > public/political confrontation with other governments who were then > and > still are concerned about climate change. > > As is obvious from the dialog here, there is still disagreement > on > whether climate change is being accelerated by human activity. > There is a well > funded group of lobbyists, public relations specialists, and > scientists whose > job it is to critique findings on climate change - both for and > against. > Critiquing the findings is relatively easy in the area of climate > change because > the number of statistical variables are very large and measuring > them with > accuracy & precision is a major challenge. I figure this group has > the potential > to make a living on this issue for at least the next ten years or > so. > > The bottom line at the moment is that the earth is experiencing > a period > of climate change. The consequences of these changes are evident > across the > globe. The issue is whether we want to ignore it as a natural cycle > or take > steps to reduce the consequences of our human activity. And if we > decide it is > being accelerated as a consequence of human activity (as indicated > by the UN > report); how does the burden gets fairly distributed get allocated > and truly > implemented across the world. > > Being people of action, I know that you will all want to do you > fair > share. Does anyone know how many cows would be have to be purchased > and butcher > to offset the emissions from our transporters and race cars this > year? > > Cary > > > > > > >


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AOL now > offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 08:03:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:03:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: > Joe, > > Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each year. > VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at Schenley > is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) > > I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. > > Rich Rock > Rich Rock...thanks for 'open forum' supporting comments on BearRun. I have received no negative comments from anyone on this proposal. I know that there are a number of FoT that would like to enjoy a low cost 'non-festival' event, with lots of track time. It is not too soon to plan. Note: It does not have to be an Official FOT Event with the Kastner Cup Presentation, to be consider by our unofficial group. Note: Not all cars, that run at BeaverRun would be eligible to run the PVGP, but I believe our cars would be considered on case by case basis. (#197 TR4 was invited to run a few years ago. I did attend, but didnt run) Depending on your state of mind, the PVGP seems to be pure vintage magic. Note: Western Pennsyvania is a hot bed of Triumph activity and rife with our Triumph Friends. It is also destination location that seems to be a well kept secret. Enough for the moment. Thanks again! Joe (A) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 08:35:59 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:35:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. Message-ID: FOT and Bill Bonadio, The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his son, Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original fibreglass. Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this year. I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at the moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, but know little else. Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from my memory only. Thanks. ORIGINAL MOLDS Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) 2ND GENERATION MOLDS Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? Thanks! Joe (A) From Cofrog at aol.com Wed Mar 14 09:41:54 2007 From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:41:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: Sounds like it should be a good prospect for oil well. Either now or in the near future.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Mar 14 14:57:13 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:57:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] oil In-Reply-To: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804@Dean44> Message-ID: <0bae01c7667b$577feac0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to > rekindle the talk > about oil and the loss of Zinc. Although not strictly on-topic, I just found this interesting article by Crane Cams that at least touches on the subject. http://www.cranecams.com/pdf/548e.pdf One of the most interesting things is how their advice now matches what Kas and Greg Solow and others have been telling us for a long time : new cams/lifters need to be run-in at a fast idle. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Wed Mar 14 16:05:28 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:05:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. References: Message-ID: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm correct. Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > FOT and Bill Bonadio, > > The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. > > Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro > Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his > son, > Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original > fibreglass. > Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this > year. > > I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at > the > moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, > but > know little else. > > Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from > my > memory only. Thanks. > > > ORIGINAL MOLDS > > Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) > AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH > Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? > Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) > > 2ND GENERATION MOLDS > > Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) > Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) > Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) > Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? > > Thanks! > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 18:25:08 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. Message-ID: <7B23C7B8.2F12C342.00159EE9@cs.com> wilburn is the name, don peerless is the chassis as i have been told. thanks! joe Don Elliott <58tr3a at videotron.ca> wrote: >I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm correct. > >Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM >Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > > >> FOT and Bill Bonadio, >> >> The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. >> >> Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro >> Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his >> son, >> Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original >> fibreglass. >> Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this >> year. >> >> I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at >> the >> moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, >> but >> know little else. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from >> my >> memory only. Thanks. >> >> >> ORIGINAL MOLDS >> >> Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) >> AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH >> Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? >> Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) >> >> 2ND GENERATION MOLDS >> >> Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) >> Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) >> Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) >> Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe (A) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 14 18:21:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:21:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. In-Reply-To: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> References: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> Message-ID: It is John Wilburn, but it's based on a Peerless. I've got some photos of them, I'll stick them on the all Aluminum Tour blog tonight. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Don Elliott wrote: > I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm > correct. > > Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM > Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > > >> FOT and Bill Bonadio, >> >> The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. >> >> Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the >> known Ambro >> Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton >> and his >> son, >> Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original >> fibreglass. >> Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro >> early this >> year. >> >> I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant >> remember it at >> the >> moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west >> coast, >> but >> know little else. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below >> is from >> my >> memory only. Thanks. >> >> >> ORIGINAL MOLDS >> >> Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) >> AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH >> Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? >> Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) >> >> 2ND GENERATION MOLDS >> >> Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) >> Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) >> Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) >> Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe (A) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 14 20:35:26 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested Message-ID: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Maybe a year or so ago there were some threads on a supplier that had some thicker than normal manifold gaskets for Spitfire and I also believe TR-6 engines. This was in the context of solving the ation problem with the commonly sold pieces commercially available. Does anyone recall the contact information for this fellow? I spoke with them at the time but lost the contact information when a hard drive bit the dust. Thanks Russ Moore From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 14 21:42:02 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested In-Reply-To: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> References: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Message-ID: <45F8C08A.407@bradakis.com> > solving the ation problem Okay, I give up. What's the "ation problem" here? mjb. From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 14 20:53:09 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested References: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> <45F8C08A.407@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <00a801c766ad$11afd5a0$03fea8c0@remsec1> sorry for the typo, I meant aeration problem. Leaking of air through the gasket material Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assistance requested > > solving the ation problem > > Okay, I give up. What's the "ation problem" here? > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Mar 14 21:16:09 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil References: <0bae01c7667b$577feac0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <008c01c766b0$486def70$6401a8c0@TER2> We have been in touch with the "former Kendall refinery", have recently purchased some of their current version of Kendall Racing GT-1 and am looking into selling it in the Northern California area. Apparently, when Sunoco and then Conoco/Phillips bought the Kendall name, they did not buy the refining technology or formulations! So the oil now produced by the refinery located on Kendall Ave. in Bradford , Penn. is still refined using only Pennsylvania crude and conforms to the API standards for SJ /CF oils. It is not certified for use in Catalytic Converter equipped cars or for use as an "Energy Saving" oil. It still has the same or a better additive package as the Kendall produced 8 or 9 years ago. It even has green dye in it. Praise the Lord! Regards, Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil >> Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to >> rekindle the talk >> about oil and the loss of Zinc. > > Although not strictly on-topic, I just found this interesting article by > Crane Cams that at least touches on the subject. > http://www.cranecams.com/pdf/548e.pdf > > One of the most interesting things is how their advice now matches what > Kas > and Greg Solow and others have been telling us for a long time : new > cams/lifters need to be run-in at a fast idle. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. 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If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 14 21:16:02 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000001c766b0$43931b60$6723b348@blake1> Larry, We live in Austin out near Lakeway, fortunately not that far from Bob. How many events do you make a year? When and where is the next event you will have your 3? I would love to spend a few hours chatting and looking over your car, maybe borrow some ideas. Where do you live? Thanks for the second, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: fot at autox.team.net; ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 14 21:51:08 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:51:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 header for sale Message-ID: <000001c766b5$2a6b7e70$6723b348@blake1> Anyone have a set for sale? Greg From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Mar 15 05:50:16 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:50:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] VW Test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <003901c766f8$25a79250$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> I am still of list but maybe it might get through..... http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/VW/video/x140ui_vw-test From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 15 12:45:47 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers Message-ID: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> FoT, I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? Thanks, Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 15 12:56:02 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:56:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers Message-ID: The later GT6's came with a crappy bell crank setup that reversed the upward pull of the cable into a downward stroke. I linked this to the fairly standard crossbar setup above the manifolds to push the Weber linkage down. I could perhaps get pictures for you if interested. I was pleased to find a use for that bit of abomination since I always tossed it from the stock carbs. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 12:59:05 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:59:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703151155x7dd08ad0kb310e610c907ef66@mail.gmail.com> References: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> <8cbd782d0703151155x7dd08ad0kb310e610c907ef66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703151159v7f903f00k1d12b4124f455c30@mail.gmail.com> Sending a reply to the whole group. Photo will not come thru, but if you want it let me know. Cable came from Pegasus Racing. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Arnold Date: Mar 15, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers To: Allen Washatko I made a bracket that screwed into the two treaded holes at the side of the middle carb. Put a hole in the middle of the bracket, and secured the end of the cable to both sides of the bracket. See picute. On 3/15/07, Allen Washatko wrote: > > FoT, > > I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and > am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the > set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two > Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold -- Chuck Arnold [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of throttle cable at carb 1.JPG] From don at carterdesignassociates.com Thu Mar 15 15:08:07 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers In-Reply-To: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c76746$07e4df40$38e8a8c0@DWC> Allen, My Canon manifold has a place to mount a bell crank, which connects directly to a modified setting of the TR6 lever that is on the pedal rod. I even used the original spring return on that lever. It takes some patience to set it up, but the solid linkage works fine on the triple set of Webers. If you don't have the Canon manifold then a bracket I'm sure can be made that bolts to one of the manifold nuts. Since I recently converted to cable on a different carb set-up, I welded a rod onto my original pedal bar that goes out the left side of the foot pad placement, toward the driver. Bored a hole in the bulkhead flat just left of the battery mount, then ran the cable from a hole in the pedal's new bar, through the flat battery shelf to an aluminum holder for the cable sleeve to rest against, then over the top of the valve cover to another bracket on the carbs that allows the sleeve to adjust while the cable connects to the carb linkage bar leg. I suppose that's hard to follow with my explanation of it, but if your interested I can send you pictures off FOT line. Don W. Carter -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Washatko Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:46 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers FoT, I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? Thanks, Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 18:12:04 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:12:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 15 19:31:07 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:31:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> I use these: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3277 . It's a gussied up hose clamp. Looks acceptable on the end of braided line, and pretty much the only way to dress up a press on hose that I'm aware of. - Tony At 06:12 PM 3/15/2007, steve wrote: >My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday >night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying >to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but >I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > >One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old >Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > >The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a >hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of >black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online >for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be >THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the >ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose >clamp method? > >Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > >~Steve From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Mar 15 18:58:12 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:58:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in addition to being ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", but rather an inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and at best it may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much else. You need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/index.asp ) or something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because of Carroll Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject of the desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot cheaper than the plumbing bits, but that's racing. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: FOT Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 19:00:12 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:00:12 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and Nuts. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to > tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but > I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, > etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black > tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for > Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be > THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the > ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, > hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 19:02:19 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:02:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> Message-ID: Hmmm. Sounds like Dave and I are psychically linked even when I'm a time zone away. I just posted nearly the same comments. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, David Talbott wrote: > Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in > addition to being > ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", > but rather an > inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and > at best it > may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much > else. You > need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/ > index.asp ) or > something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because > of Carroll > Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject > of the > desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and > Plumbing > Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot > cheaper than > the plumbing bits, but that's racing. > > > David Talbott, President > Architectural Reproductions, Inc. > Portland, Oregon > Toll Free (888) 440-8007 > www.archrepro.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > To: FOT > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > Each night > after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the > engine > compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted > to clean up > the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > Aeroquip fuel > lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a > hack-saw. > Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. > Over that > goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and > fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is > there a > more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input > pipes than > the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 19:06:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:06:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Message-ID: One more note about taking off the tape. when I say "ready to install the line" I mean SECONDS away. When you take the tape off the braid begins relaxing from the hose in the area of the cut. Thirty seconds after you pull the tape off it will resemble a trumpet bell. You've got about five seconds to get the outer part of the fitting on to the hose. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are > preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving > flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all > generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with > a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off > until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the > manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. > > To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting > pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. > > Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t > hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, > but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is > spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff > on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is > Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book > will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively > cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and > Nuts. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > >> My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. >> Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to >> tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but >> I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, >> etc.. >> >> One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old >> Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. >> >> The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- >> saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black >> tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for >> Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be >> THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the >> ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, >> hose clamp method? >> >> Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 19:08:36 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:08:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <4026572.1174007317167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Looks like some good nuts & bolts readin'. Even though this sytem has worked flawlessly for 18years, and the car has never experienced any kind of flames in 40 years, it sure couldn't hurt to upgrade. Even though it will set me back a few $$ ~Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Mar 15, 2007 6:02 PM To: David Talbott Cc: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Hmmm. Sounds like Dave and I are psychically linked even when I'm a time zone away. I just posted nearly the same comments. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse< /FONT> AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, David Talbott wrote: Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in addition to being ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", but rather an inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and at best it may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much else. You need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/index.asp ) or something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because of Carroll Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject of the desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot cheaper than the plumbing bits, but that's racing. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: FOT Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailm an/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailm an/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 15 21:01:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) - Tony At 07:00 PM 3/15/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are >preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving >flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all >generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with >a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off >until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the >manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. > >To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting >pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. > >Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t >hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, >but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is >spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff >on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is >Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book >will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively >cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and >Nuts. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > >On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > > Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to > > tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but > > I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, > > etc.. > > > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > > Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > > > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > > saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black > > tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for > > Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be > > THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the > > ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, > > hose clamp method? > > > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2117 (20070315) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Mar 15 21:19:12 2007 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> Message-ID: <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. Been working well for a long time now. Brad > > > Tony Drews wrote: >> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >> >> - Tony From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 15 20:29:03 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net><0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com><20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Message-ID: <00e801c76773$01c66e30$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Ditto my car - someone tapped the float bowl covers on the S.U.s - I just like the ease of detaching stuff without wiggling those old hoses off , and the race car seems to get disassembled a lot! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. > had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. > Been working well for a long time now. > > Brad >> >> >> Tony Drews wrote: >>> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >>> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >>> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >>> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >>> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >>> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >>> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >>> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >>> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >>> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >>> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >>> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >>> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >>> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >>> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >>> >>> - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 15 21:06:01 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:06:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Message-ID: <002b01c76778$07917c60$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I think the trick I used was to get a brake line bulkhead fitting and cut the flare off. Then you carefully wiggle out the stock tubes, tap the hole and Bob's your uncle. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. > had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. > Been working well for a long time now. > > Brad >> >> >> Tony Drews wrote: >>> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >>> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >>> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >>> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >>> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >>> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >>> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >>> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >>> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >>> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >>> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >>> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >>> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >>> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >>> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >>> >>> - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 15 22:15:51 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:15:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <45FA19F7.2030607@bradakis.com> Earl's makes a hose end that adapts to hard lines. You screw this cap into the hose end housing and compress a rubber sleeve over the hard line. I've got maybe half a dozen in stock at the shop, haven't used them yet. The whole contraption seems a bit too bulky to mate -6 hose to SU or Stromberg carbs, but I did use one once to put a flex line on a stock gas tank pickup tube. Boy, 6+ degrees and sunny here in Salt Lake, I HAVE to get a Triumph of some sort on the road! mjb. From sbarr at mccarty-law.com Fri Mar 16 06:35:13 2007 From: sbarr at mccarty-law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits for sale Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEB2C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I met a guy here in Northeast Wisconsin who has a hoard of Spitfires and Spitfire parts he'd like to sell off (going back to racing his Mustang). He'd like to sell it as a package deal. He's looking for a reasonable offer and someone with a big truck. Please forward this to any other vintage race lists you're in contact with. He has two cars: one 1965 Spitfire race car and one 1967 Spitfire race car. The 1965 has an 1147. He'd describe the 1965 as an old prod car and the 1967 as a vintage car. The 1965 Spitfire was last raced in 1994, but he feels ("new tires, new calipers, time it and go" he says.) The 1967 car would require significantly more work. His parts inventory is pretty extensive. Extensive enough that he doesn't want to inventory it. But it includes blocks, cranks, cams, pistons, rods (stock), etc. for 1147, 1296s of both varieties and one 1500. He's also got 6 to 8 Minilites, 4 Cosmics, 6 widened steel wheels and a set of Revolutions on the 1965 car, and a set of slotted aluminum mags on the 1967 car. I've seen this stash and the cars, but don't really know much about it -- I just purchased a diff from him a few months ago. If anyone is interested, I can run over there this weekend and take a bunch of digital pics. Scott From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 16 07:20:05 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too tightly. Have a look. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H igh-Pressure-Hose.html Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 07:57:37 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:57:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: Just as a precaution,and I don't know all the vintage rules, BUT, SCCA now requires that carbs with a non-threaded fuel inlet fitting MUST replace them by drilling and tapping the carb for a threaded fitting( GCR 9.3.13)......rick ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 08:02:32 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:02:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: >The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. >Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over >that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing >and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is >there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb >fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? I converted my old street TR4 to Aeroquip lines with AN fittings. Intially, I use the hose clamps to hold the line on the carbs.This wasn't a good solution. The Aeroquipped line wasn't as flexible as the rubber hose and caused one of the brass fittings on the float bowl lid to fatigue and break. It was the only time in 17 years my `4 didn't get me home. Fortunately, I was just across town. I had a local machine shop weld aluminum AN fittings on the carbs. From then on it was "plain sailing'. OBTW, you can use a Dremel tool cut off wheel to get through the braid, then any good utility knife will get you through the "rubber". The Dremel will give you a cleaner cut with less "prickly bits" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Kramer, Robert" >To: "steve" , "FOT" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 > >I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in >my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links >are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily >make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many >pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under >the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main >line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line >from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the >hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used >electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone >grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too >tightly. Have a look. > >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H >igh-Pressure-Hose.html > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of steve >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 08:12:27 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: If you want a more flexible hose than the stainless braid, ck out the HS-79 Teflon/Nomex aircraft hose from XRP,more flex,stronger,greater flow....cool looking too...can be bought at any length and fitting ends and same threaded conns as aeroquip type. Ck their website( www.XRP.com)... works great on my racecar. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Fri Mar 16 09:13:58 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:13:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] triple weber linkages Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 5:08:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > FoT, > > I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and > am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the > set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two > Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen, My throttle cable attachments came from Magard in the UK, although the bar/arms etc came from TWM Induction in Goleta, and the heim joints came from another source, with the stainless steel ball joints coming from Southern Carburettors in Wimbledon. See photos in Vitesse 2 album at webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 Best Regards Leon From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 16 09:51:11 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:51:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: I didn't realize TFE hose was available in dash6. I use it for all my hydraulic stuff, but never have for fuel. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 16, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in > my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The > links > are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can > easily > make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many > pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator > under > the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main > line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant > line > from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and > the > hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I > used > electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used > silicone > grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too > tightly. Have a look. > > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB- > Braided-H > igh-Pressure-Hose.html > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each > night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the > engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always > wanted > to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip > fuel lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > saw. > Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. > Over > that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing > and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is > there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb > fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 11:21:33 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info Message-ID: <000601c767ef$8b5e3480$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Forwarded by request - This was sent out yesterday to an informal group of Pacific Northwest Vintage Racers. Some of it we have already seen, but some is new to me at least. Jim Norlin Another non synthetic oil that still has the "good" additives is Shell Rotella. Comp Cam and Crane both make a break in additive to make sure that whatever oil you use does not wipe the cam lobes during break in. JEG"S has it at about $8.00 a pint. The additives have changed due to increased pressure from the Feds on immisions and heavy metals. Zink is not the only additive to get reduced. the critical time is for break in, but engines such as our racing engines likely will suffer higher wear during their life cycle with many of the new oil formulations. CompCam did Tech bulletin #225 on 4-10-06 on this subject. I am attaching it as a PDF file but it may not be accepted by the talk line. Here is a link: anyone that does not get it and is interested in seeing it e mail me direct and off the vintage line and I will be happy to forward it to you directly. It is very interesting. Another long but informative article on current oil problems can be found here. www.lnengineering.com/oil.html. Also, anyone on the Friends of Triumph line might want to forward this to that group as I am not a member and this message will be rejected by their monitor. Bottom line is that many current oils are not good for flat tappet break in, even with the highest API ratings! They are also doubtful for maximum life in a racing engine. Larry Dent From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 16 11:46:52 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:46:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info Message-ID: Amici... Interesting. I use Shell Rotella in my tow vehicle (diesel), but I sure never would have considered it for my racing engines. Would that be just for 'breaking in'? For the time being we've decided to go with VALVOLINE RACING (Not Street Legal) Synthetic SAE 20W-50, but we're looking at other options to consider. Bill Dentinger ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Fri Mar 16 13:02:36 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:02:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info In-Reply-To: <000601c767ef$8b5e3480$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <0d2501c767fd$a92094a0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Another non synthetic oil that still has the "good" additives is Shell > Rotella. However, that may change soon. Shell will be introducing "reformulated" Rotella in a few months, and has stated it will have "slightly less zinc". http://www.shell-lubricants.com/CJ4/cj4_faq.html Randall CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 16 15:05:58 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:05:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <20070316.130601.775.672167@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> Greg's conversion as noted below are still holding up very well. Joe(B) I converted my old street TR4 to Aeroquip lines with AN fittings. Intially, I use the hose clamps to hold the line on the carbs.This wasn't a good solution. The Aeroquipped line wasn't as flexible as the rubber hose and caused one of the brass fittings on the float bowl lid to fatigue and break. It was the only time in 17 years my `4 didn't get me home. Fortunately, I was just across town. I had a local machine shop weld aluminum AN fittings on the carbs. From then on it was "plain sailing'. OBTW, you can use a Dremel tool cut off wheel to get through the braid, then any good utility knife will get you through the "rubber". The Dremel will give you a cleaner cut with less "prickly bits" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Kramer, Robert" >To: "steve" , "FOT" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 > >I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in >my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links >are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily >make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many >pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under >the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main >line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line >from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the >hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used >electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone >grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too >tightly. Have a look. > >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H >igh-Pressure-Hose.html > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of steve >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From tr6nut at verizon.net Fri Mar 16 15:50:34 2007 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FB112A.5050705@verizon.net> BillDentin at aol.com wrote: I use Shell Rotella in my tow vehicle (diesel), but I sure never would have considered it for my racing engines. Bill, A lot of motorcycle guys swear by Shell Rotella. I use it in both of our bikes. If it'll work in bikes, it'll surely work in our race cars. http://www.rotella.com has a whole forum on Rotella user/uses. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA '73 TR6 '05 Suzuki SV1000S '06 Kawasaki Ninja 500R (wife's bike) From trhouse at greenapple.com Fri Mar 16 16:30:59 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [TR] Chauffeured Tow car! Message-ID: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> Return-Path: Received: from mx10.greenapple.com (root at mx10.greenapple.com [198.144.72.70]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2GMK1Mv020902 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from autox.team.net (autox.team.net [70.58.101.41]) by mx10.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2GM9cIv023592 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix) id EBAB3187B62; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix, from userid 71) id E2090187B65; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs at autox.team.net From: "Randall" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] FW: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:28:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Sender: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net Precedence: list Reply-To: "Randall" X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 4, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: owner-triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >From another list. -----Original Message----- From: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Senior Design Team RIT Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:42 AM To: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com Subject: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon I have too many projects and would like to reduce my collection. I do not want to scrap the car or part it out, so thought I would present it to the Triumph group first. I have a restoration project of a pretty rare vehicle... a 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon. The 1800 Saloon is an extremely rare car in the USA. There were less than 20 of them sold here in the states when new. Most of the surviving saloons are the later "2000 Renown" (produced from 1949-1952). I have photos at http://www.geocities.com/jjferrero/triumph.html I would like to find it a good home and will be accepting reasonable offers. If there are interests, please contact me at ritthesis at yahoo.com with the subject "1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon" Thanks, ~Joe Ferrero Geneseo, NY 14454 Your messages not reaching the list? Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html === This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register === http://www.vtr.org === Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive === http://www.team.net/the-local From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 16 19:20:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:20:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [TR] Chauffeured Tow car! In-Reply-To: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> References: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <68149C42-709D-4281-9737-922D7E39157B@bnj.com> Yikes. Get thee behind me. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 16, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Tom Householder wrote: > Return-Path: > Received: from mx10.greenapple.com (root at mx10.greenapple.com > [198.144.72.70]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with > ESMTP > id l2GMK1Mv020902 for ; Fri, 16 Mar > 2007 > 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from autox.team.net (autox.team.net [70.58.101.41]) by > mx10.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id > l2GM9cIv023592 for > ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix) id EBAB3187B62; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 > 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) > Delivered-To: triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net > Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix, from userid 71) id E2090187B65; > Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) > Delivered-To: triumphs at autox.team.net > From: "Randall" > To: "Triumphs" > Subject: [TR] FW: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:28:39 -0800 > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) > Sender: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "Randall" > X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more > information > X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean > X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, > required 4, autolearn=disabled) > X-MailScanner-From: owner-triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > >> From another list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Senior Design Team RIT > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:42 AM > To: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon > > > I have too many projects and would like to reduce my collection. I > do not want > to scrap the car or part it out, so thought I would present it to > the Triumph > group first. > > I have a restoration project of a pretty rare vehicle... a 1946 > Triumph 1800 > Saloon. The 1800 Saloon is an extremely rare car in the USA. There > were less > than 20 of them sold here in the states when new. Most of the > surviving saloons > are the later "2000 Renown" (produced from 1949-1952). > > I have photos at http://www.geocities.com/jjferrero/triumph.html > > I would like to find it a good home and will be accepting > reasonable offers. > > If there are interests, please contact me at ritthesis at yahoo.com > with the > subject "1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon" > > Thanks, > > ~Joe Ferrero > Geneseo, NY 14454 > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register > === http://www.vtr.org > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 18 10:30:17 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:30:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union Message-ID: Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking to put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. Thanx, Steve Smith ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 18 10:54:07 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:54:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR Message-ID: Amici... You never see much print coverage on TORNADO CARS, the English Specials with lots of TRIUMPH parts. Bob Wismer and I CO-own a TYPHOON, THUNDER BOLT, and a TALISMAN. So when a friend in England alerted me to small article in the March issue of the glossy British magazine CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR, I made a trip to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up a copy. Sure enough, there was a reference (and picture) of the Sports Brake (Estate Wagon) that TORNADO made. Weird looking car. Picture an Aston Martin DB2 works racer, and then convert it to a station wagon. That's pretty much what they did. They can't remember if they made one, or two or three. I've only seen pictures. But the reason for this email is that this March issue also has an extensive article on TRIUMPH sports. It is the feature article for the month. Anyone interested in such special attention in the print media for TRIUMPH cars should get up a copy. Years ago I was a subscriber to this magazine. Had to stop. The commercial and classified ads are dangerous. They sure always have some neat 'stuff' for sale. Wife, Shirley Jean, has put her foot down. No more cars! Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From mee23 at cornell.edu Sun Mar 18 10:58:58 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:58:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243D5@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> I HATE when wives get that way!!! M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Sun 3/18/2007 12:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR Amici... You never see much print coverage on TORNADO CARS, the English Specials with lots of TRIUMPH parts. Bob Wismer and I CO-own a TYPHOON, THUNDER BOLT, and a TALISMAN. So when a friend in England alerted me to small article in the March issue of the glossy British magazine CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR, I made a trip to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up a copy. Sure enough, there was a reference (and picture) of the Sports Brake (Estate Wagon) that TORNADO made. Weird looking car. Picture an Aston Martin DB2 works racer, and then convert it to a station wagon. That's pretty much what they did. They can't remember if they made one, or two or three. I've only seen pictures. But the reason for this email is that this March issue also has an extensive article on TRIUMPH sports. It is the feature article for the month. Anyone interested in such special attention in the print media for TRIUMPH cars should get up a copy. Years ago I was a subscriber to this magazine. Had to stop. The commercial and classified ads are dangerous. They sure always have some neat 'stuff' for sale. Wife, Shirley Jean, has put her foot down. No more cars! Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Mar 18 15:20:48 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:20:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> To all Motorsports Media: The prestigious Martha McDougal Trophy is to be presented at the upcoming First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days (F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D.) vintage races at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) on the weekend of April 13-16, 2007. The Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". In her memory, we will be awarding the "Martha McDougal Trophy" to the Triumph driver who completes the most qualified laps of VIR during the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "feature race". In this way, we are not only honoring a person who many Triumph owners have never heard of but we are also rewarding the driver who best emulates Martha's unique ability to "triumph" in the face of adversity. Since Martha was forced to maneuver around many obstacles during her "laps" of the factory, we will conduct our "feature race" during the VCDA's Gimmick Race (www.VintageDrive.com) in which competitors will share the track with other vintage racers who are not actually entered in our event. And since as Martha aged and gained weight her "lap times" got higher, we will apply an age and weight factor to the final lap count for each car/driver combination. The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. The Trophy will be presented at the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. banquet and awards ceremony on Friday evening at the Triumph paddock. Dinner and adult beverages, including a selection of exotic Fat Bastard wines, will be provided to registered entrants and their crews. For more information or to make reservations, contact Mr. Leo Oddi, email LOddTR at aol.com or by phone at (540) 891-8236. From emanteno at comcast.net Sun Mar 18 18:48:07 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:48:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <031920070048.5923.45FDDDC7000A789C000017232207022933970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "OFB Racing" > The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. Based on age alone, I'm thinking Don Marshall is the favorite. ;-) From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 18 22:20:07 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:20:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days In-Reply-To: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> References: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <7EAA739B-B1EB-434D-83AD-63DA6C9FB36A@bnj.com> Now I am truly brokenhearted that I can't be there. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 18, 2007, at 11:20 AM, OFB Racing wrote: > To all Motorsports Media: The prestigious Martha McDougal Trophy > is to > be presented at the upcoming First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring > Tune-up and Race Days (F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D.) vintage races at VIR > (Virginia International Raceway) on the weekend of April 13-16, 2007. > > > > The Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost > total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in > Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, > Martha > was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically > killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although > she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months > had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust > bins. > Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made > the > rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, > transferring > the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the > factory, > without complaint or even one day's absence. > > > > Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had > completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her > retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry > plant, > she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature > footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself > reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning > nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and > mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". > > > > In her memory, we will be awarding the "Martha McDougal Trophy" to the > Triumph driver who completes the most qualified laps of VIR during the > F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "feature race". In this way, we are not only > honoring a person who many Triumph owners have never heard of but > we are > also rewarding the driver who best emulates Martha's unique ability to > "triumph" in the face of adversity. > > > > Since Martha was forced to maneuver around many obstacles during her > "laps" of the factory, we will conduct our "feature race" during the > VCDA's Gimmick Race (www.VintageDrive.com) in which competitors will > share the track with other vintage racers who are not actually entered > in our event. And since as Martha aged and gained weight her "lap > times" got higher, we will apply an age and weight factor to the final > lap count for each car/driver combination. The winner will be > determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, > age > of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. The Trophy > will be presented at the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. banquet and awards > ceremony on Friday evening at the Triumph paddock. Dinner and adult > beverages, including a selection of exotic Fat Bastard wines, will be > provided to registered entrants and their crews. > > For more information or to make reservations, contact Mr. Leo Oddi, > email LOddTR at aol.com or by phone at (540) 891-8236. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley at adelphia.net Mon Mar 19 04:47:34 2007 From: wensley at adelphia.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days References: <031920070048.5923.45FDDDC7000A789C000017232207022933970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002801c76a14$007a6560$0300a8c0@Desktop> Are you telling me that Don is older then Dean (WOW) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "OFB Racing" ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "OFB Racing" > > >> The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and >> weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the >> temperature. > Based on age alone, I'm thinking Don Marshall is the favorite. > ;-) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 06:57:52 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 1 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E3F@server.Triumph.local> What an adventure. I spent last Wednesday thru Saturday night with Mike Jackson, Bob Wismer and Glen Efinger at the Sebring 12 Hour race. SVRA gets a whopping 3 sessions over the weekend, one of them a 1 hour enduro. Mike contacts me a couple months ago and asks if I want to co-drive the TR3 with him in the enduro, how can I say no? I was really looking forward to the event for a couple of reasons, the biggest being I have been chasing the Glen Efinger prepared cars since I started racing, and I couldn't believe I was getting a chance to drive one. I had never driven a TR3 racecar, never driven the track. I knew I would be hopeless if I didn't prepare somehow for my 20 or so minutes in the seat. Thanks to the computer game GT Legends and a bit of searching on the Internet to download the track at Sebring, I was able to 'drive' the track to get a feel for it. Then a chat with JK informs me where the bumpy bits are. Finally a U-Tube in-car video puts it all together. I am as ready as I will ever be. The plan is this. On the one and only practice/qualifying session, Mike takes the car out for 3 laps. One to warm up the tires, one hot lap, then come in. We do a drivers switch, and I get a few laps to familiarize myself with the car and the track. That plan goes off without a hitch. Well, there was that little off by the hairpin, but, well, never mind. The following day after a little brake adjusting, we are ready for the enduro. Plan is for Mike to take the green flag, run to halftime and come in. I will take the checker. Minor flaw in the plan. Mother Nature has other ideas. The green flag waives with a little liquid sunshine falling from the sky. Within 3 laps the flag in the tower goes from black to red. The rain is torrential, and lightning is flashing all around us. The cars make it back to the pits, the tow trucks are busy picking up bashed up race cars, and soon the word is given, we are done. The storm wreaks havoc in the pits. We weather out the storm with no major disaster. With a schedule as tight it is, we know we are done. No make-up race is going to happen. Mike offers to have me drive the feature. I was really surprised, and am very grateful. continued From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 06:58:01 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:58:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! From richtr at erols.com Mon Mar 19 07:05:09 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <000801c76a27$39f82120$a7ea9804@Dean44> Henry; Now you know why real men drive TR3's and have arms like gorillas. Sounds like you had a great time. See you in April at the Fat Bastard. Dean -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Frye Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 AM To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 08:36:46 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union References: Message-ID: <000e01c76a34$08077aa0$dec53f18@alex> I have one Steve, send me your adress. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union > Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... > > Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking > to > put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. > > Thanx, Steve Smith > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Mar 19 11:07:15 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he does. *Obi Wan voice off* Glad you had a good time Henry. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 19 11:20:32 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:20:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 03/19/2007 11:07:40 AM Central Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he > does. *Obi Wan voice off* > Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 11:37:18 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:37:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? References: Message-ID: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> To all you TR4 owners who still have one you run on the street - I am looking for tire recommendations. I am not trying to win shows, but want a tire that will allow me to have some fun within the limits allowed by the 60 spoke wires and a stock suspension. Any suggestions? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? >> Joe, >> >> Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each >> year. >> VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at >> Schenley >> is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) >> >> I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. >> >> Rich Rock >> > > Rich Rock...thanks for 'open forum' supporting comments on BearRun. I have > received no negative comments from anyone on this proposal. > > I know that there are a number of FoT that would like to enjoy a low cost > 'non-festival' event, with lots of track time. It is not too soon to > plan. > > Note: It does not have to be an Official FOT Event with the Kastner Cup > Presentation, to be consider by our unofficial group. > > Note: Not all cars, that run at BeaverRun would be eligible to run the > PVGP, > but I believe our cars would be considered on case by case basis. (#197 > TR4 > was invited to run a few years ago. I did attend, but didnt run) Depending > on > your state of mind, the PVGP seems to be pure vintage magic. > > Note: Western Pennsyvania is a hot bed of Triumph activity and rife with > our > Triumph Friends. It is also destination location that seems to be a well > kept > secret. > > Enough for the moment. Thanks again! > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 12:13:12 2007 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070319181312.47564.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Victoria British part No. 7-063 for 17.95. Sorry I don't have a spare to loan you but that's where I got mine. Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking to put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. Thanx, Steve Smith ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 19 12:26:20 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:26:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 References: Message-ID: <00ac01c76a54$17953500$84fea8c0@shop> But Bill, don't all Racing TR4's have the windows and registers removed? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 > In a message dated 03/19/2007 11:07:40 AM Central Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he > > does. *Obi Wan voice off* > > > > Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:24:42 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:24:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly like a... uh... like a TR-3...! Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 13:39:27 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cut-down classics [was Sebring 12 Hour] Message-ID: Bill (Damdinger) wrote: >Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. Hey Bill, I use leather straps to raise and lower the lexan door windows in my TR6. Does that count? Shane Ingate, himself a classic {insert noun here}, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 19 13:39:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:39:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15446187-1095-4896-A8EB-A993424EBE2B@bnj.com> The first time I drove a TR3 on a race track I was certain something was broken in the front suspension. In some ways Peyote is worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). If you insist on a car that behaves in a turn then it's not for you. But once you have the "gathering up" drill down pat it's both fun and fast. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly like a... > uh... like a > TR-3...! > > Safety FasTR > Glen > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 15:42:05 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:42:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <15446187-1095-4896-A8EB-A993424EBE2B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E4A@server.Triumph.local> The "gathering up drill" is a good way to phrase the difference between the 3 and my 4. The 3 takes a good deal more effort, but it seems so... so... so right! > -----Original Message---- > > The first time I drove a TR3 on a race track I was certain > something was broken in the front suspension. In some ways > Peyote is worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). If > you insist on a car that behaves in a turn then it's not for > you. But once you have the "gathering up" drill down pat it's > both fun and fast. > > Bill Babcock > > > On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly > like a... uh... like a > TR-3...! > > Safety FasTR > Glen From JFrymark at aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:03:53 2007 From: JFrymark at aol.com (JFrymark at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:03:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Great Invention Message-ID: Personally, I'm going to wait for the garage model that can also toss me the correct sized wrench. www.metacafe.com./watch/445498/robotic_beer_launching_refrigerator/ John Frymark ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 19 17:29:47 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070319182928.01ea6b20@blacksburg.net> Amici, I shared this with John Macartney, who worked at ST. Here's his funny reply: >Hi, Jim > >What a great story! I can't say I ever met Martha or even knew of >her existence, but she must have done a good job :) > >Two little points that may be worthy of 'modification.' > >The reference to "Sir John" presumably means Sir John Black, ST's >CEO. As production finally concluded at Coventry in the 1980's, I >guess it must have been his ghost in a manly presence because he >died in 1965, eleven years after being ousted in 1954 in a >management coup. Clearly, paradise must have fed him well to put on >so much weight, because as a very enthusiastic skier and fitness >freak, I doubt he carried any excess weight at all during his mortal >coil. At least, those are my own memories of him because I have many >pictures of him. > >Perhaps a suitable runner-up prize could be named after Mrs. Dolly >Hicks, the Head Driver of the Sales and Parts Divisions tea trolley? >Dolly always had a friendly greeting for everyone that was mostly >suffixed with "you miserable shit" but she also had a great gift in >making the best fried bacon and egg buns I've ever tasted!! > >Have a great time racing > >Cheers, John -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 19 16:47:55 2007 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:47:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <45FF131B.1010900@141.com> > Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. > > Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! > Hmm, now I know why Henry wanted Ernie to haul my TR3 back to Wisconsin. Henry, weren't you the one that told me not to buy a TR3 because of how badly they handled on the track and that I should buy a TR4 instead because they handled like a proper race car should?! Brad 1957 TR3 vintage race car (which will be staying in Arkansas where it belongs) From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 16:55:58 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:55:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <45FF131B.1010900@141.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E50@server.Triumph.local> Don't remember that... :-) Brad, I never took you for somebody who believed everything you heard! Henry Frye Triumph Technology Consultants 860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler [mailto:brad.kahler at 141.com] > Sent: March 19, 2007 6:48 PM > To: Henry Frye > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 > > > > > > Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the > great work. > > > > Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! > > > > Hmm, now I know why Henry wanted Ernie to haul my TR3 back to > Wisconsin. > > Henry, weren't you the one that told me not to buy a TR3 > because of how badly they handled on the track and that I > should buy a TR4 instead because they handled like a proper > race car should?! > > Brad > 1957 TR3 vintage race car > (which will be staying in Arkansas where it belongs) From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 19 17:01:35 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Message-ID: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Mar 19 17:38:58 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:38:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: Everyone, OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical questions for our engines. As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP (mostly Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything rated 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph engines. It seems that we have little in the way of choice: Three companies products keep coming up: A) Amsoil B) Redline C) Valvoline These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. such as: A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV855) C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or $40/gallon. Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive on hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the quality/capability/worth of any of these products? Do tell. Best Regards to all Leon F Guyot http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Mar 19 17:54:53 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:54:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Message-ID: <27309144.1174348493183.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Kas! I take that as satisfactory justification for my driving style. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner >Sent: Mar 19, 2007 7:01 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars > >I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, >throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back >in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in >the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the >passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Mar 19 17:59:33 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:59:33 GMT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: <20070319.160008.18248.2212978@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Joe Gibbs oils are made specifically for flat tappet motors as well. Price is similar to Redline. Joe(B) -- Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: Everyone, OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical questions for our engines. As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP (mostly Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything rated 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph engines. It seems that we have little in the way of choice: Three companies products keep coming up: A) Amsoil B) Redline C) Valvoline These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. such as: A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV855) C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or $40/gallon. Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive on hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the quality/capability/worth of any of these products? Do tell. Best Regards to all Leon F Guyot http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 19 18:08:45 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars References: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243D9@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> My dad used to say you had to drive TR3s a little like you are on a dirt track - this is the first time it made sense to me in a world where we are told if you are sideways you are slow... M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Mon 3/19/2007 7:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 18:23:19 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:23:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] robots and shredders(no lbc) Message-ID: <000e01c76a85$fbf39df0$dec53f18@alex> my son like beer just as much as the rest of us and passed these of to me from you tube. Shredders- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDngpTmpzQ&mode=related&search= Robots- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOCmoYU6h1Q From jibjib at att.net Mon Mar 19 18:44:00 2007 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:44:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? In-Reply-To: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <003001c76a88$dade80a0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Scott, Start here: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?id=13795 I'm leaning towards the Vredestein Sprint+ for my AutoX/Street, 60 spoked TR3A, but am wondering about the group's opinion of the Hoosier Speedster on the street. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? To all you TR4 owners who still have one you run on the street - I am looking for tire recommendations. I am not trying to win shows, but want a tire that will allow me to have some fun within the limits allowed by the 60 spoke wires and a stock suspension. Any suggestions? From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 19 20:21:01 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:21:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stupid and Dangerous Message-ID: <20070320023040.NGNO18070.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Sure hope the guy doesn't lose control and roll the thing. The top of his head is as high as the top of the roll hoop in this ex-Jag F1 car. http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0702_f1_driving_experience_photo_gallery/photo_01.html From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 19 20:54:35 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:54:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil References: Message-ID: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > Everyone, > > OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. > > We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical > questions > for our engines. > > As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP > (mostly > Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. > > The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything > rated > 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. > > SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph > engines. > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline > > These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. > > such as: > > A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) > > B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. > > C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code > VV855) > > C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) > > So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they > commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. > > They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the > synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or > $40/gallon. > > Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive > on > hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. > > Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the > quality/capability/worth > of any of these products? > > Do tell. > > Best Regards to all > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Mar 20 06:58:12 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Don carter -- Message-ID: <200703201258.l2KCwIY1258271@ns3.geneseo.net> Don, please contact me by email again -- I accidentally lost your message after reading it and I'll respond if I can get your email address uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From don at carterdesignassociates.com Tue Mar 20 12:09:13 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars In-Reply-To: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000001c76b1a$debeb3b0$38e8a8c0@DWC> Kas, could you enlighten us on "how to drive a TR-IRS car FAST", and have the most fun? Or is that two different answers? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From doddk at mossmotors.com Tue Mar 20 12:18:46 2007 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0C0C4FA8@kb1.mossmotors.com> I beg the group's indulgence for a moment of reminiscence. Early on when I was dating the lady who is now my now wife, she borrowed a friend's TR3 so we could go on a long distance rally put on by the Northern Cal Morgan club. This was about 7 years ago. I drove about 700 miles that weekend, having a lot of fun and the car hit the ton a few times. Being a long time MGB owner, I drove smoothly and quickly hitting perfect apexes and congratulating myself on my driving skill. At the end of the weekend I drove off Highway 1 onto the narrow, twisty road leading to the ranch house where my lady lived. She asked if she could take the wheel and finish the drive home. We took off in a roar, and the tail of the car never pointed in the same direction as the front for the next 5 miles. She stopped at her house, smiled at me and stated "That's how you drive a Triumph!". This morning I posted Kas's response below to her, with the comment that "He drives just like you". Her response was.... "Of course, I learned it from him!" Kas. I'd like to say thank you. I don't think you have any idea how many people you have influenced over the years. Kelvin Dodd, very happy husband of Debbie Gomez, ex Greg Solo's Engine Room employee. From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Mon 3/19/2007 7:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ From cak at dimebank.com Tue Mar 20 12:40:22 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: <200703201840.l2KIeM5r031941@moose.dimebank.com> > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline Castrol GTX 20W50 should be on your list for street-driven Triumphs. It's been a fine choice for years, and still is, and the "High Mileage" version might even be a little better. Please go and read http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html and look at the table of oil analysis. Best, chris From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 20 13:03:45 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars References: <000001c76b1a$debeb3b0$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <00c901c76b22$7c35cff0$690fc548@RWKastner> My experiences with the IRS TR-4 were on race tires, BUT, I always liked a car that oversteered just a bit, never understeer. This allowed the toss it into the corner routine, let the slide slow you enough to make it the late late apex. I never found that I could get enough stick to DRIVE through the corners and do all that smooth business. I can remember listening to some of the guys saying how they clipped the apex within a couple inches every around and how wonderful it was to be smooth, of course they failed to mention they were over a second slow. My theory for fast laps is: you have two pedals, one of which should be full on most of the time, that is, the brake or the gas. But with that style of driving it is best have an understanding tire sponsor. I was always hard on the tires and easy on the brakes. It was kind of fun too 'cause most folks really didn't want to go side by side with this really wide TR. Adjustable 5/16" rear bar & 11/16" front bar and about 1.5 negative rear camber did the number just fine in most tracks for the IRS car. I don't that has changed much. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Carter To: 'Kas Kastner' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Kas, could you enlighten us on "how to drive a TR-IRS car FAST", and have the most fun? Or is that two different answers? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Smart Label.lnk] From triosan at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 14:14:33 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:14:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR PI conversion picutes Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> I have posted and annotated several pictures of my PI installation on my TR250 [now TR%?] race car. You can view and read at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TR250ToTR5PIParts You can post comments on the pictures if you like. In will be glad to review any comments and answer any questions. Now I jst have to get the timing corect and see if it starts. If so, then I need to read the airfuel mixture to see where I am for mixture control. Expect the mechanical throtlle pedal driven mixture control unit cam and cam follower will need adjusting to get to optimum. -- Chuck Arnold From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 20 19:32:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:32:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR PI conversion picutes In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A7E3E9F-6CB5-47B3-8D66-C3A635833588@bnj.com> Very pretty. Can't wait to see it in person. With that location I assume you have a solenoid valve on the Accusump. Be sure you install a manual switch to leave it closed if you need to. Some folks rely on the ignition switch to control the accusump. That's fine for closing the valve and maintaining pressure in the accusump when you shut the engine off, but things happen and you can wind up with it de- pressurized. In that case you don't want it drawing away the lion's share of the oil coming out of the pump, robbing the engine of oil during the critical warm up period to fill the accusump back up. If you have a separate switch you can flick it off and on once the engine is warmed up and slowly rob oil to get the accusump full and pressurized again. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have posted and annotated several pictures of my PI installation > on my > TR250 [now TR%?] race car. You can view and read at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TR250ToTR5PIParts > > You can post comments on the pictures if you like. In will be glad > to review any comments and answer any questions. Now I jst have to > get the > timing corect and see if it starts. If so, then I need to read the > airfuel > mixture to see where I am for mixture control. Expect the mechanical > throtlle pedal driven mixture control unit cam and cam follower > will need > adjusting to get to optimum. > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 21 12:07:40 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:07:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 10:00:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > To: fot at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <200703201840.l2KIeM5r031941 at moose.dimebank.com> > > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > > > A) Amsoil > > > > B) Redline > > > > C) Valvoline > > Castrol GTX 20W50 should be on your list for street-driven Triumphs. > It's been a fine choice for years, and still is, and the "High > Mileage" version might even be a little better. > > Please go and read > > http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html > > and look at the table of oil analysis. > > Best, > chris > Nice one Chris, You found the webs pages that I found yesterday! This is the best, and most informed article that I have yet seen. Best Regards Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 21 22:41:21 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:41:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triton V8 connecting rods Message-ID: <000001c76c3c$571ffc20$8220b348@blake1> Christian Marx I heard you are using the Ford rods in your TR. Can you tell me what you did? Thanks, Greg From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 22 06:17:12 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spun Aluminum Headlight Covers Message-ID: Anybody need a pair of spun aluminum headlight covers slightly used? If so, please contact me off line. Thanks, Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 22 18:04:13 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:04:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph Message-ID: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> From: The Motorsport Collector THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes 300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. LeMans 1960 - No less than 12 works Ferraris led the charge against the beautiful Birdcage Maserati and Briggs Cunningham's Corvette. 24 minutes. Triumph at LeMans 1961 - Triumph took the team prize for the second straight year with their team of experimental TRs as Hill and Gendebien took the overall win for Ferrari. Historic footage of Jim Clark in the Border Reivers Aston Martin, which led part of the race. 35 minutes. TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 1 HOUR 18 MINUTES $45.00 In case anyone hasn't seen this. . . Bill From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 22 17:11:48 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:11:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph Message-ID: Boy that seems worthwhile! Thanks Bill! > From: The Motorsport Collector > > THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD > >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and > remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of > Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: > LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history > because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes > 300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving > Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. > From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 22 20:57:14 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph In-Reply-To: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <20070323030328.XTJD1312.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I saw the email from them announcing this. Their website sure makes it difficult to trust that an order will be for what you want. At 05:04 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >From: The Motorsport Collector > >THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD > >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and >remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of >Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: >LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history >because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes >300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving >Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. > >LeMans 1960 - No less than 12 works Ferraris led the charge against the >beautiful Birdcage Maserati and Briggs Cunningham's Corvette. 24 minutes. > >Triumph at LeMans 1961 - Triumph took the team prize for the second >straight year with their team of experimental TRs as Hill and Gendebien >took the overall win for Ferrari. Historic footage of Jim Clark in the >Border Reivers Aston Martin, which led part of the race. 35 minutes. > >TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 1 HOUR 18 MINUTES $45.00 >In case anyone hasn't seen this. . . >Bill >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Mar 23 09:54:30 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:54:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From DSPGTi at aol.com Fri Mar 23 10:11:18 2007 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:11:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: That event would be enough motivation for me to finally get my TR4 project done and get an SVRA license. If it's true I'll be there. Dave Y. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 23 10:19:09 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820884A877@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I would make the trip from Texas. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DSPGTi at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:11 AM To: JWoesvra at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature That event would be enough motivation for me to finally get my TR4 project done and get an SVRA license. If it's true I'll be there. Dave Y. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 23 11:16:44 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I heard a rumour that Triumph was going to be the featured marque at Mosport in 2008 as well....don't know how to confirm that though. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: March 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bivanyshyn at CRMCanada.com Fri Mar 23 11:20:39 2007 From: bivanyshyn at CRMCanada.com (Bruce Ivanyshyn) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:20:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: <3D8496924CBDC44480DAB65778844D9D7A8E01@crm-dc01.crmcanada.com> Give me a couple of weeks. I am with VARAC and they are publishing a magazine that may contain that information Bruce -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:17 PM To: JWoesvra at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature I heard a rumour that Triumph was going to be the featured marque at Mosport in 2008 as well....don't know how to confirm that though. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: March 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 23 11:42:42 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <790927.4768.qm@web81215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You don't have to like Shell or use their fuel to enjoy this! TURN THE VOLUME UP! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 23 12:01:20 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Turn it up! Message-ID: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: My first link came through with some added spaces. This one should work. Thanks - Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc From herald948 at aol.com Fri Mar 23 12:11:21 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C93B8DCB6D87F6-814-D32B@WEBMAIL-RD17.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? ==AM== It would be more like the 85th anniversary, as Triumph automobiles date from 1923. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 23 12:12:07 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:12:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Turn it up! In-Reply-To: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1B22B8DB-8F5B-45FE-B071-BD2739D7DB18@bnj.com> I put a copy of this video on my All Aluminum Tour blog yesterday. It's very cool. Very, very cool. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:01 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: My first link came through with some added spaces. This one > should work. Thanks - Ed > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 23 12:27:35 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:27:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23E69E9D-5B43-42D3-8F3F-67F9EB9F17BA@bnj.com> It's sounds great, though it's certainly not Triumph's 75 anniversary. I wish they were doing it this year--it would be a nice element for the All Aluminum Tour. The theory is that next year will be All Aluminum Europe (though we'll see how that pans out, it might be All Aluminum Divorce Court) It's hard to say how old Triumph is. If you go by the continuous history of the entity (which is the usual approach) it started in 1897 as the Triumph Cycle Company, making bicycles, which makes it 110 this year. Motorized vehicle production started in 1902 as Triumph Motor Cycles and the first car, the 10/20 was built in 1921. None of those dates yields 75 years in 2008 (1933). The only date NEAR 1933 that I can find is the company changed it's name to Triumph Motor Company in 1930. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 23, 2007, at 5:54 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen > International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the > featured marque in 2008 > for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has > selected > Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > > If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > > Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 13:15:36 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:15:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: Jack Woehrle wrote: >We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured >marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. That would be enough for me to get my car ready by then! Shane Ingate in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Its tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 23 13:25:43 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <008901c76d81$0d23fea0$6501a8c0@JeffSnook> Joe, Jack, Carl, et al., I would certainly take my TR3 to the Glen next year for a special Zippo Triumph feature event. Who cares what anniversary they are celebrating! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; Jensen87 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From alfetta95 at optonline.net Fri Mar 23 13:35:59 2007 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:35:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack et al, I'm in! That, along with the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix stuff I was hearing here is motivation enough. I did the Alfa Romeo event at the Glen, GREAT TIME! SVRA puts on a fantastic event. Might even sell the Alfa to free up funds for the TR3A!! Todd Redmond ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 am Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net, Jensen87 at aol.com > Joe, > > We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen > International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the > featured marque in 2008 > for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has > selected > Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > > If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > > Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email > to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 23 15:53:33 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <000701c76d95$b49d9790$6601a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Jack, count me and the ex-Manning 63 Spitfire in! THANKS! Steven Groh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature > Jack et al, > > I'm in! That, along with the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix stuff I was > hearing here is motivation enough. I did the Alfa Romeo event at the > Glen, GREAT TIME! SVRA puts on a fantastic event. Might even sell the > Alfa to free up funds for the TR3A!! > > Todd Redmond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JWoesvra at aol.com > Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 am > Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature > To: N197TR4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net, Jensen87 at aol.com > >> Joe, >> >> We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >> International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the >> featured marque in 2008 >> for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has >> selected >> Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? >> >> If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. >> >> Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> >> >> >> ************************************** AOL now offers free email >> to everyone. >> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Mar 23 16:27:35 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:27:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2007 2:25:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: I would certainly take my TR3 to the Glen next year for a special Zippo Triumph feature event. Who cares what anniversary they are celebrating! It is a done deal since y'all have shown such overwhelming interest. Now come up with an excuse for the press release! Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From SpiwakD at aol.com Fri Mar 23 17:17:14 2007 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:17:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature Message-ID: The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course and celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely overbooks this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race you have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap races due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From DonMarshall at nefcom.net Fri Mar 23 18:13:57 2007 From: DonMarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roebling Rd crew slots Message-ID: <009501c76da9$518d16d0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Is anyone going to Savannah next weekend for the SVRA event? I won't be racing but I'd like to bring son James and a friend up to watch. If anyone has any vacant crew slots (I need 3 total) you wouldn't mind signing us up for I'd appreciate it. Naturally, I'm willing to pay the overcrew fee if necessary and will even do actual crew duty if anyone is foolish enough to let me touch anything. Thanks, Don From joeg at neb.rr.com Fri Mar 23 19:21:36 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c76db2$c4807e30$7701a8c0@Guinan> Way cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 24 02:18:38 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low cost rods Message-ID: <200703240818.l2O8IipF310502@ns3.geneseo.net> I am almost ready to market sets of rods for the TR2 - 4A engines. I'd like to determine the level of interest so I can estimate inventory level to carry. Here's the deal: 4 Chevy rods, currently used in engines up to 850 hp Forged, 4380 steel Same length as TR rods, so you use your current pistons Re-bushed upper ends for stock TR pins, using proper grade of bronze Spacers for upper ends to center the rods, 6061-T1 aluminum Bottom ends modified so they go through the sleeves ARP 7/16" bolts Allows the use of modern high quality, low friction rod bearings To use these, you use .020 under Chev rod bearings, and you grind the crank .006" undersize, and you may have to relieve block slightly for clearance. Rods are 30 grams lighter than all available aftermarket rods. Current prices on Carillos is $1100 - and Saenz, Cunningham, and {auter are all $700 - $800 Target price for my kit of rods and spacers is $500 and I'm trying to lower that. So you get stronger, lighter rods, at a lower price. Would you be interested in purchasing a set of rods like this? If so, please email me off line. Thanks. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 04:16:19 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:16:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cost rods Message-ID: Uncle Jack wrote: >I am almost ready to market sets of rods for the TR2 - 4A engines. Rods are >30 grams lighter than all available aftermarket rods. The Carillos for my TR6 weighed in at 443g (compared with ~660g stock). If the Chebby rods are around the 415g mark, that is a huge difference? How much work is required to develop similar rods for the 6-pot motors? Shane Ingate, heading to Summit Pt today _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Mar 24 05:57:05 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:57:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SpiwakD at aol.com writes: The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course and celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely overbooks this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race you have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap races due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort to successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people who attend. We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest vintage event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have time to do all of them anyway. If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow from Texas of California just for that? Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 24 06:40:03 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <003d01c76e11$8c3177a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> For my part I am going to do Watkins Glen at some point whether it is next year or not so a Triumph feature just adds to the motivation. It is on my list of tracks I want to get to someday. It is not all about track time. The event itself and the track are the draw. I get plenty of track time here at home. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zippo feature > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course > and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort > to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people > who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest > vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have > time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow > from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 09:07:22 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 05:07:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature NOW Laps per Dollar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D3BB20B-683B-4AA1-860E-03663449F74C@bnj.com> This is no surprise to me, I generally run Monterey and the Country every year. Great events, but if you're looking for laps per dollar, you're better off in a local SCCA vintage grid--or even more so a local club track day. I enjoy the social and event aspects of the big events I DO think that there's much too much fiddling around between sessions, and organizations running big events fiddle more than most. Here's some suggestions: There's too much focus on getting broken cars back to the paddock. If they're in a safe place, let them sit until there's enough time. I know that's frustrating for ONE person but you have forty cars on the grid--do the math. if everyone knows the rules then so what. Get the cars on a five minute on the last lap of the previous group's race. You can switch to a hold if something happens. Thump novices if they pull their cars off into an unsafe place. Experienced drivers too, but most of the really bozo parking I've seen is newbies. Tell them NOT to nurse it back to the paddock and show them all the places they can get to that are safe and that won't stop the race. For that matter, a bozo off to the side of the track but still on the surface is a local yellow, not full course. Even if the bozo is me. If he's on the apex, well that's different. But he'd better have locked brakes. Half hour for lunch. Want to do an on track photo session for the featured marque? How about after the track closes. The light is more dramatic anyway. Track parades, who needs 'em. Bunch of twidgets and their leaky cars. I hate getting on track in the first group after a track parade. these guys have antifreeze in their radiators. I will however, gladly stand down and watch with thrilled attention anytime someone wants to let Sir Stirling Moss, Phil Hill, Jack Brabham, Pete Lovely, Dan Gurney, Mario Andretti, or any other of the real racers do a couple of laps Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 1:57 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road > course and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest > Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and > three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is > the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special > effort to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to > people who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, > you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the > biggest vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not > have time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you > tow from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 09:29:15 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:29:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris From cak at dimebank.com Sat Mar 24 10:15:13 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 steering stop? Message-ID: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> I've made some front end changes that lead me to worry about interference and full lock and full droop. I'd like to add a simple stop to limit the amount of lock, just a bit. The 4A has this built in on the vertical link, but the GT6 doesn't seem to have anything. Ideas for adding something would be most welcome. Thanks, chris From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 14 10:02:24 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:02:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor Message-ID: My humblest apologies for being off topic here, but... I just had to share this horrible experience! My '97 Toyota 4Runner SR5, (family vehicle) decided yesterday, (my only day off this week), that it's starter motor had done enough strating, (at 102,000 miles). Lots of clicking, not much else. It happened in a parking lot of a shopping center, (built on an Indian burial gound, so considered a jinxed place by locals)... I also had my 16= year old daughter with me, who was bitching that her day was now ruined, because she couldn't get to the Mall to shop - it was all of tw blocks away! No comment. Anyhoo, I called Cingular, with whom I was supposed to have breakdown cover for the last year, and was informed that I had no such cover on my account, even though I had asked for it when the account was set-up! So, I had to call my wife, to come tow me with her '86 Ford Econoline camper van. She borrowed a rather secondhand tow rope from our circuit racer neighbour, who informed her that towing with a rope was illegal in Oregon? After an 'interesting' 6 mile tow, to a friend's shop, during which the rope only snapped one time, (at a busy and dangerous intersection, naturally), when I very quickly called into play my boy scout knot tying skills...we made it, without being arrested. note that automatic SUV's with power braking and power steering, are VERY tough to brake and steer, without power! Anyhoo, when my friends saw the ensemble of '86 Econoline towing '97 4Runner, they responded with "you might be a redneck if", very funny! We first disconnected the battery, and luckily I had one of those handy-dandy computer memory keeper thingys that plugs into the cigarette lighter - and it worked - otherwise I would be paying the local Toyota dealer $45 to reset the radio code, which I do not have, and yes it does work! So to remove the starter, Messrs Chiltons encouraged us to "disconnect wires, unbolt starter and pull forward towards front of vehicle to remove from vehicle." Oh yeah? The front driveshafts were in the way, so that part of the manual must be referring to the 2WD version. The starter bolts came out easily enough, as did the heavy wire, although the plastic clip attaching the small wire is the work of satan himself, heat hardened due to the proximity of the exhaust, covered in oil/grease/dirt and designed in the true fashion of the ancient Chinese puzzle, also at arms length and almost inaccesible. But the real fun was yet to come. That increasingly heavy, and at arms length, starter motor was not coming out via any of the very small access holes, at any angle or direction. We removed the two 'skid plates', still no go, and eventually figured out that we would have to remove the long thin pipe for the ATF dipstick, which is, (of course), welded to the ATF pan, which cannot itself be removed, without first draining the ATF and at least half removing the hefty front Anti-sway bar, then disconnecting the pipes to the power steering. Nice design Toyota, most impressive. note that the bolts for the anti-sway bar are welded underneath with the nuts on top, and that the bolts closest to the exhaust downpipe/cat are cooked and rusted... One of those had to meet the BFH and then we had to snap it off in the bracket, later drilling out the remains, just to remove it. Now my starter motor is in for a rebuild, and the transmission is getting new filter and gasket, and the anti-sway bar link on the other side is getting replaced - we discovered it was in poor condition - That little lot took roughly 4 hours, and my hands still ache. Not looking forward to putting it all back together. I am grateful that we were able to avoid a hefty towing charge and dealer bills for the work. I think what really bothers me most is the complete lack of decent servicing design by Toyota, and the almost useless Chiltons Manual. Never mind, at least I stil have the '86 Econoline to go to work today and tomorrow! Triumph design rules! Take care out there Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 10:27:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:27:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads In-Reply-To: <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite > example of US > music played in England somewhere in the woods. > Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a > very fast TR 4 > racer. > > If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! > > Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 10:30:23 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:30:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 steering stop? In-Reply-To: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: Might be fairly easy to add a stop on the rack. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > I've made some front end changes that lead me to worry about > interference > and full lock and full droop. I'd like to add a simple stop to limit > the amount of lock, just a bit. > > The 4A has this built in on the vertical link, but the GT6 doesn't > seem > to have anything. Ideas for adding something would be most welcome. > > Thanks, > chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 24 10:49:42 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor References: Message-ID: Typically about this mileage the Toyota starters will start to "click" instead of "start". I have rarely ever seen one that needed more than a new set of copper contacts in the solenoid. About $14 worth of parts. At the previous shop I worked for we repaired hundreds of them just this way, and they would go another 100,000 miles. The Denso starter is a very good piece of kit. Of course the dealer would always try to sell our customers a new starter for $350+. We made a lot of good long term customers because of this. Terry Stetler From Fubog1 at aol.com Sat Mar 24 11:00:08 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:00:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2007 11:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: Triumph design rules! .... yeah they (real TRs) have hand cranks.... Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 11:19:58 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:19:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think In-Reply-To: <000c01c76db2$c4807e30$7701a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M! Now that's Italian! (Hannibal Lechter slurpy sounds) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Joe Guinan" >To: >Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0600 > >Way cool... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc > > >Joe Guinan >Fremont, NE >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 12:48:34 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:48:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 24 13:00:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shameless plug: Tilton flywheel and two plate clutch for TR3 / TR4 on e-bay Message-ID: <20070324195958.A7734187A2C@autox.team.net> E-bay motors listing number 250097971114. Used, excellent working condition. Hate to sell it, but I'm not going to use it. - Tony Drews From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 13:10:06 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:10:06 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Big orchestra in 4/4 measure...played in Manhattan and Monaco References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002601c76e48$0ad4b000$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Got these link the other day.....will make you nippy and wetten your eyes. http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 24 13:56:34 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> I've known lots of people that count the same way. AND, so does a neighbor. You do a terrific job and you are NOT an underground member. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Marx Christian tr4-racing To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 14:01:50 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <004501c76e4f$430b6340$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> I am sorry to say but I am still off list and get no FOT news since the FOT crash.....so I feel doomed to the underground. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads I've known lots of people that count the same way. AND, so does a neighbor. You do a terrific job and you are NOT an underground member. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Marx Christian tr4-racing To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 24 14:23:28 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:23:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Other Glen Track time besides Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <003001c76e52$48850800$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Those of you looking for track time at the Glen may want to consider the Oct 19-20th VRG event on a Friday- Saturday. VRG is sharing the weekend with another group that is using the track only on Sunday. Planning on three events a day for each race group, $350 for the weekend. VRG is the same group that is running the Beaverun event the weekend before the Pittsburgh Grand Prix. My (limited) experience has been that they have lots of track time and mostly small bore (displacement, that is) participants. www.vrgonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zippo feature > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course > and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort > to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people > who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest > vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have > time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow > from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Mar 24 14:36:23 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:36:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it "not street legal". Have the EPA feds started to pass judgement on motor oil use? You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would anyne know what motor oil we use. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil >I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count > cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a > quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". > > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > > >> Everyone, >> >> OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. >> >> We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical >> questions >> for our engines. >> >> As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP >> (mostly >> Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. >> >> The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything >> rated >> 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. >> >> SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph >> engines. >> >> It seems that we have little in the way of choice: >> >> Three companies products keep coming up: >> >> A) Amsoil >> >> B) Redline >> >> C) Valvoline >> >> These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. >> >> such as: >> >> A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) >> >> B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. >> >> C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code >> VV855) >> >> C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, >> (code >> VV851) >> >> So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they >> commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. >> >> They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the >> synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or >> $40/gallon. >> >> Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive >> on >> hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. >> >> Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the >> quality/capability/worth >> of any of these products? >> >> Do tell. >> >> Best Regards to all >> >> Leon F Guyot >> >> > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sat Mar 24 16:31:05 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it > "not street legal". The zinc and phosphorus used as additives poison the catalytic converter over time. So, ZDDP (which contains both zinc and phosphorous) is being phased out just like TEL was 30 years ago. > You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would > anyne know what motor oil we use. Best not to ask questions when you don't want to hear the answer ! Suffice it to say that the EPA has already established that they are above the law and only lightly bound by the Constitution ... if they want to know what motor oil you're using, they'll find out ! Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name and address in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? Randall From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 18:32:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The big advantage of being regulators instead of lawmakers. The real power in Washington has always been those dull looking folks who stay when the politicians come and go--or unfortunately come and stay. Term limits won't do anything about them. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Randall wrote: >> You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it >> "not street legal". > > The zinc and phosphorus used as additives poison the catalytic > converter over > time. So, ZDDP (which contains both zinc and phosphorous) is being > phased out > just like TEL was 30 years ago. > >> You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would >> anyne know what motor oil we use. > > Best not to ask questions when you don't want to hear the answer ! > Suffice it > to say that the EPA has already established that they are above the > law and only > lightly bound by the Constitution ... if they want to know what > motor oil you're > using, they'll find out ! > > Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name > and address > in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 24 19:00:15 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Babcock Message-ID: <200703250100.l2P10O4L451868@ns3.geneseo.net> Sorry, listers, but Bill, please send me another message with an email address that works. I can't get through at billb at bnj.com Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 24 21:40:30 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:40:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to run that weekend. Joe(B) -- JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 24 21:49:46 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> References: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <20070325044930.2DC95187A12@autox.team.net> As a vintage guy, I'd love to see the SCCA Triumphs at this event! I feel we're "unfairly" segregated (NOT pointing a finger at anyone on that). I'm sure some sort of class assignment can be made for the non-Triumph events to make it fair for all. - Tony Drews At 10:40 PM 3/24/2007, Joe Boruch wrote: >I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to >run that weekend. Joe(B) > >-- JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >Joe, > >We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque >in 2008 >for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected >Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > >If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > >Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > >Jack Woehrle > > > >************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Interested in getting caught up on today's news? >Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. >http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h >tm?csp=24 >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2143 (20070325) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Mar 24 22:19:22 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE Message-ID: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> Friends... I bought the March issue of Classic & Sports Car... the cover article is "All Triumph's TRs: Britain's first family of sports cars: we test the greats from TR2 to TR8". I've gone cover to cover, but I'm not in a collecting mode with these. I'd be happy to pass it along for the cover price, plus shipping. It's still like new. --Justin From JWoesvra at aol.com Sun Mar 25 05:45:22 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:45:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2007 10:42:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to run that weekend. Joe(B) You should send me photos and a Race Car Information Sheet. When we do marque features we will occasionally accept cars from the marque that don't normally meet our vintage regulations. Current SCCA cars are certainly part of the marque history. You would not run with the regular TR3's, however, except in the all-TR race. I would probably have you in a special class in Group 8. You can look that up at _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) . Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 06:09:15 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke Message-ID: Randall Young asked: >Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name and >address >in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? That is true of EVERY purchase unless you use cash. Shane Ingate, gradually moving off the grid, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. 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A blonde woman came in and asked for a seven-hundred-ten. They all looked at each other, and the Mechanic asked, "What is a seven-hundred-ten?" She replied, "You know, the little piece in the middle of the engine. I lost it and need a new one. It had always been there." The mechanic gave the woman a piece of paper and a pen and asked her to draw what the piece looked like. She drew a circle and in the middle of it wrote 710. He then took her over to another car which had the hood up and asked, "Is there a 710 on this car?" She pointed and said, "Of course, it's right there." Click here to learn the identity of the mysterious 710: www.mademelaugh.com/gfx/710.jpg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 25 08:44:35 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's Message-ID: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... >Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage photos >from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from the >1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from fan >and racer scrapbooks. > > http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ From billsohl at optonline.net Sun Mar 25 11:21:15 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's In-Reply-To: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <58D5DDA6CC074FB38DCD4CAB1A23C60F@SohlPC> Interesting PIX, the 68 race pictures include the Group 44 TR-250 which was a one year entry by Group 44. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 25 12:31:25 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <58D5DDA6CC074FB38DCD4CAB1A23C60F@SohlPC> Message-ID: <005901c76f0b$cbe3b610$690fc548@RWKastner> I was back there with the Group 44 guys in about 1966. Rained like the devil. It was the first race for Tony Adamowitz in the groups Spitfire. He won overall. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sohl To: David W. Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's Interesting PIX, the 68 race pictures include the Group 44 TR-250 which was a one year entry by Group 44. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzman at adelphia.net Sun Mar 25 14:31:44 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland airport. Their leader Dave Williams is a Porsche 944 driver and a real enthusiast. Last June I won their vintage car triathlon in my TR4. 1st in the autox, last in the concours and 2nd in the rally. They are really into the history of the Cumberland airport road races. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sun Mar 25 16:33:14 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything short of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the fan on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term satiation and long term expensive grief. Help!!! M From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 16:54:20 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <4606FD9C.5070402@greenheart.com> Mark, It's hardly a case of the "last one holding it gets stuck with the bill" as if I was setting up some sort of evil pyramid scheme. The last one holding it gets to keep it. Some people actually like to be at the end of such a process, they're called "collectors"! No guilt here. It turns out that the buyer was looking for the magazine, so I am doing him a service, with no finder's fee, no hidden handling fees, no mark up, and no hidden agenda. I drove to the store, I bought the magazine with sales tax, I made the post, I fielded the responses, I'll pack the magazine, I'll drive to the post office, and I'll ship the magazine. And he will have it in hands before his check has even been cashed. Did you say I will have read the magazine for "free" as a result of this offer? Once again, no guilt here. I know you're just "joking", but your comment was forwarded to the entire group and, joking or not, it impugned my character, particularly if a reader, possibly like you, didn't consider the other side of the coin. If you had made your comment in private, to me alone, I'd be laughing with you. One should always think twice before hitting that send button, particularly when there's CC's involved. I know I've screwed up by pushing the send button many a time, myself, and I'm sure I'll make similar mistakes in the future, no doubt. (Maybe I'm making a mistake here!) Maybe next time I find a particularly Triumph collectable magazine, I'll wait a few months, and then put it on Ebay. One time I did that when the magazine was still new, and a guy bid it up to $60.00. I felt guilty and wrote the guy, and he said, "No worries! I'm just glad to have found magazine, they're sold-out around here. I'm happy to pay the $60.00." So maybe I should just stick to the profit angle in the future? --Justin (just a little miffed) Mark Hooper wrote: >Meaning you get to read it for free... Musical magazines. The last one holding it gets stuck with the bill. Are you sure you're not channeling Mr. Heaney from Green Acres? :^) > >Mark >(just joking) > >________________________________ > >From: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net on behalf of Justin Wagner >Sent: Sun 25/03/2007 12:19 AM >To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs >Subject: [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE > > > >Friends... > >I bought the March issue of Classic & Sports Car... the cover article is >"All Triumph's TRs: Britain's first family of sports cars: we test the >greats from TR2 to TR8". > >I've gone cover to cover, but I'm not in a collecting mode with these. >I'd be happy to pass it along for the cover price, plus shipping. It's >still like new. > >--Justin From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Mar 25 18:44:25 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:44:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <002e01c76f3f$e7bc2b40$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I don't often look at the links people send around - maybe I should - but these are amazing cars and really worth a browse! in 1961, this airport race had Ferraris, Elvas, Oscas, Lotus , Lister, Cunningham, Lolas, Jags, Cobra, Coopers, a Birdcage, Vettes, Sunbeams, an RSK, etc - and the drivers - Penske, Holbert, Hansgren, Tullius - wow! And crowds of people watching, too. Oh, to have a time machine . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stutzman" To: ; "David W. Riddle" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's > the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland > airport. Their leader Dave Williams is a Porsche 944 driver and a real > enthusiast. > Last June I won their vintage car triathlon in my TR4. 1st in the autox, > last in the concours and 2nd in the rally. > They are really into the history of the Cumberland airport road races. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's > > >>A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had >> been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back >> to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. >> Enjoy... >> >>>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>>photos >>>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>>the >>>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from >>>the >>>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>>fan >>>and racer scrapbooks. >>> >>> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Mar 25 20:08:26 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:08:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello All: I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently has Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower the car 2 - 3 inches. I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. Up front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only lower the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and lowering the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs and spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Mar 25 20:13:26 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on and let sit overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an industrial penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short > of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the > fan > on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking > and > big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love > craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented > beverage > before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short > term > satiation and long term expensive grief. > > Help!!! > > M > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 25 20:17:32 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <01d201c76f4c$ea0d3440$0502a8c0@desktop> Another way to lower the front end without changing the spring rate is to make a spacer to go between the lower arm and the spring pan. You can also reverse the lower arms. Both these changes will give you about 1", depending on what size spacer you use. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 25 20:27:22 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension In-Reply-To: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> At the rear, don't do the longer shackle routine. That causes some weirdness in the rear end geometry. The car will take two distinct arcs through the corner. Put spacers between the axle and the leaf springs and install longer U-bolts instead. I seem to recall something about using an MGB-GT front spring (Moss has those for about $32 / spring), but I'm sure others have more details on that. - Tony At 09:08 PM 3/25/2007, Gary wrote: >Hello All: > >I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently has >Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. >Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower the >car 2 - 3 inches. > >I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. Up >front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only lower >the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB >competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and lowering >the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs and >spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > >Gary >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 20:40:33 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: Let us not forget The Holy Trinity as it applies to Getting Triumph Bolts Loose: The Hammer The Torch And The Aero Kroil Amen >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short >of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the >fan >on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and >big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love >craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage >before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term >satiation and long term expensive grief. > >Help!!! > >M From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 21:13:10 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D877@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> <4606FD9C.5070402@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D877@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <46073A46.2090809@greenheart.com> Mark, Apology accepted. I did understand it was said in jest, but I had to say something for the reasons I described. And as I said, I've hit that send button all too quickly myself... many a time. Those who throw stones at glass houses.... Cheers. --Justin Mark Hooper wrote: > Hi Justin: > > I certainly do apologise if I seemed to be impugning your character. > The comment was made entirely in fun. I have only ever heard positive > things about your interest in and contribution to the hobby. I saw a > possiblity for an amusing mis-conception of your offer and took > (perhaps too rapidly) advantage of the opportunity. I was raised in > the British tradition of making pointed comments to those we respect > and saying nothing at all to those we don't. Sometimes it does not > travel well. I am indeed sorry for any stress caused. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > P.S. If it was not for the fact that I have a copy of the magazine in > question, I would buy it myself. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 22:11:07 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] O.T. Poem: Death Is Nothing At All Message-ID: <460747DB.5090203@greenheart.com> Very much O.T. Friends, Back in '98, a neighbor put this on my door when she learned of my father's sudden passing. I just discovered it today amongst some old files (as I try desperately to get myself out from under too much "stuff". Unfortunately, buried in debris, it was out of sight and mind when my mom suddenly passed in 2001. I just sent a copy to my siblings, but thought maybe I should send a copy to you all. At both times, I found a lot of support in the camaraderie of the Triumph newsgroups. Many of you wrote to me of the loss of your own parents, and loved ones. Perhaps this poem will have as much of an affect on you as it has had on me. You may find yourself passing it along to someone else, just as my neighbor had, to help make a difficult time just a bit more bearable. I wish I had had it at my fingertips, over the years since, when others about me have lost loved ones, including members of the newsgroups. --Justin Death Is Nothing At All Death is nothing at all. It does not count. I have only slipped away into the next room. Nothing has happened. Everything remains exactly as it was. I am I, and you are you, and the old life that we lived so fondly together is untouched, unchanged. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still. Call me by the old familiar name. Speak of me in the easy way which you always used. Put no difference into your tone. Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word that it always was. Let it be spoken without an effort, without the ghost of a shadow upon it. Life means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was. There is absolute and unbroken continuity. What is this death but a negligible accident? Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just round the corner. All is well. --Henry Scott Holland January 27, 1847 - March 17, 1918 Canon of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, England From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 25 23:05:59 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:05:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <2AA84816-6FCE-4ECD-85F5-22E14C093654@bnj.com> Before you round the thing out completely, get a good 1/2" six point impact socket of the right size and use a 1/2" air impact wrench. Soak the nut in penetrating oil, crank the gun to max, and have at it. It might take a lot of cycles cycles, but it will come. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on > and let sit > overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an > industrial > penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Eginton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking >> and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short >> term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 26 06:56:58 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension In-Reply-To: <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070326075350.01da3890@blacksburg.net> At 09:27 PM 3/25/2007, Tony Drews wrote: >At the rear, don't do the longer shackle routine. That causes some >weirdness in the rear end geometry. The car will take two distinct >arcs through the corner. Put spacers between the axle and the leaf >springs and install longer U-bolts instead. > >I seem to recall something about using an MGB-GT front spring (Moss >has those for about $32 / spring), but I'm sure others have more >details on that. > >- Tony I took my leaf springs to a shop that works on heavy duty truck (think large dump trucks) springs. They de-arched mine for $20 / side. That reduced the ride height 2". hth jim >At 09:08 PM 3/25/2007, Gary wrote: > >Hello All: > > > >I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage > racer. Currently has > >Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > >Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke > to lower the > >car 2 - 3 inches. > > > >I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower > the rear. Up > >front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will > only lower > >the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > >competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate > and lowering > >the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter > springs and > >spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > > >Gary -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Mar 26 06:24:41 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <4607BB89.9010303@greenheart.com> By the way, the magazine is sold and is on it's way. --Justin From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 08:01:53 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:01:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Message-ID: Mark, I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate whether it would work for you. Shane Ingate in Maryland Mark Eginton wrote: >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short >of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the >fan >on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and >big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love >craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage >before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term >satiation and long term expensive grief. > >Help!!! > >M _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Mar 26 11:04:10 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. It's called Electrical Discharge Machining, or EDM for short. I hope to build one for myself someday, as it sounds like a very handy thing to have when you need one (imagine being able to machine a hardened steel stud out of aluminum _without_ harming the threads in the aluminum), but haven't yet. However it's a very slow process, basically works by drawing a spark from the workpiece which tears away a tiny bit of metal. No reason it wouldn't work for a crank pulley bolt, but it would sure take a long time. Randall From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 26 10:30:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:30:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: > Mark, > > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. > > Shane Ingate in Maryland > > > Mark Eginton wrote: > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right > when you > need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 26 10:49:02 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2007 10:32:57 AM Central Standard Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's > a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel > against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a > sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% > $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're > loosening the nut, not tightening it. > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 26 11:20:29 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00e001c76fcb$0da8d0c0$690fc548@RWKastner> Tight fasteners, like that, do respond to a sharp impact from a BBFH and a large diameter big drift. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: SHANE Ingate Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: > Mark, > > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. > > Shane Ingate in Maryland > > > Mark Eginton wrote: > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right > when you > need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 26 12:42:45 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brembo slotted disk "handedness"? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070326133840.01dace60@blacksburg.net> I'm about to install a set of slotted disks on my TR4. While the boxes carry the same part number, the rotors are clearly "handed" (slots CW on one, CCW on the other). While I doubt that slot direction makes a big difference, seems to me that slots "scooping" forward (CW facing the RH side), might pull more cooling air into the assembly. What says the List? Jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Mar 26 13:39:44 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: Message-ID: <000e01c76fde$81d325f0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The Mechanical Engineer's mantra!! Except when it's a left hand thread like on water pump pulley we once had to remove. The manual was a little "unclear", to say the least. We had it on there pretty tight before we got it off. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > In a message dated 03/26/2007 10:32:57 AM Central Standard Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's >> a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel >> against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a >> sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% >> $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're >> loosening the nut, not tightening it. >> > > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 14:09:05 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <000e01c76fde$81d325f0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: >The Mechanical Engineer's mantra!! Except when it's a left hand thread >like >on water pump pulley we once had to remove. The manual was a little >"unclear", to say the least. We had it on there pretty tight before we got >it off. > >Tim That's when you say, "It's always good practice to tighten it before you loosen it." To save face. John From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Mar 26 15:36:00 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension Message-ID: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 26 17:46:15 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243F1@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Yes I had a broken tap removed from an aluminum Vintage Harley head without destroying the aluminum threads using EDM. Its amazing but the peice must fit in the machine, usually bathed in dielectric liquid. Mostly used for making plastic molds with machined carbon electrodes... THanks for all the advice; I am soaking the bolt all week with penetrating oil - cannot find Kroil but using something else. It is actually a bolt (I'm pretty sure), the one that the hand crank engages. This weekend I plan to pull the pan (gotta do it anyway), use a 2x4 to lock the crank and I plan a WWF smackdown - wish me luck... M ________________________________ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Mon 3/26/2007 12:30 PM To: SHANE Ingate Cc: Mark Eginton; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&%$ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour : Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse : http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour : http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: Mark, I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate whether it would work for you. Shane Ingate in Maryland Mark Eginton wrote: I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything short of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the fan on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term satiation and long term expensive grief. Help!!! M _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Mar 26 18:46:52 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4608697C.2020105@141.com> That's what I always thought... ...until I tried to loosen the lug nuts on one side of my '63 Dodge Custom 880, many years ago! Susan :) > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From stutzman at adelphia.net Mon Mar 26 18:12:47 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003801c77004$a699b5e0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> lower the rear with lowering blocks and TR4A U bolts. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 18:34:09 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243F1@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <285845.34044.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, Well now I see the problem. I never could get the front pulley bolt off of any engine with the pan on. You gotta take the pan off then place a tuba-4 between the first crank throw and a stout portion of the block before you start pounding away with the half inch air impact. If you don't already own a set of six point air-impact sockets now would be a good time to buy them. Sears should have air-impact sockets in stock for a reasonable price. I also recommend soaking the bolt in penetrating oil. Kroil is really great stuff, and I have previously used it with excellent results on some really large rusty nuts and bolts, but any decent penetrating oil is better than no lubrication at all. J. Prettyleaf Mark Eginton wrote: This weekend I plan to pull the pan (gotta do it anyway), use a 2x4 to lock the crank and I plan a WWF smackdown - wish me luck... M --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From stutzman at adelphia.net Mon Mar 26 18:12:47 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003c01c77009$029d0550$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> lower the rear with lowering blocks and TR4A U bolts. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stlnyc at msn.com Mon Mar 26 19:29:56 2007 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:29:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu><000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <2AA84816-6FCE-4ECD-85F5-22E14C093654@bnj.com> Message-ID: Mark- If the engine is still in the car with everything is hooked up & operating, adapt an 11/8" impact socket to a 3/4" drive T handle (using a reducer). Put the socket on the crank bolt so that it's just above the driver's side frame rail. Disable the coil so the engine can't start & hit the starter. You may have to slam the T handle against the frame a few times, but it will break it loose & unscrew it. Fred Hodgson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Tim Murphy Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Before you round the thing out completely, get a good 1/2" six point impact socket of the right size and use a 1/2" air impact wrench. Soak the nut in penetrating oil, crank the gun to max, and have at it. It might take a lot of cycles cycles, but it will come. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on > and let sit > overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an > industrial > penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking >> and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short >> term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 21:37:00 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:37:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/07 3:58:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, jhassall at blacksburg.net writes: << Put spacers between the axle and the leaf springs and install longer U-bolts instead. >> Back in the days when employees could get away with more government jobs, I had one-inch spacers and two-inch spacers made at the old Shippingport Experimental Atomic Power Station. They were made from stainless steel. When the lower profile slicks came along, the spacers were removed, and the rear suspension is now back to stock. I didn't want the rear end dragging on the gr ound. I ran for a long time with Mother Mueller's competition front springs with the spacers removed from the top. Then one day I noticed shorter springs with spacers installed in the parts car. I put this setup into the race TR-3, and the front end is about even with the back end, or low enough to the floor. This move also gave me about the right negative camber. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 27 00:04:11 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:04:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> Uhhh. What?? I don't get it. Is this a street car that you want both electric and crank driven fans? Most people building race cars use the fan extension for a paperweight. If you're using a harmonic balancer most of the ones I know of have no provision for mounting a fan. It's generally assumed you're either going to run without one and just use motion cooling, or you're going to add an electric fan. I'm not sure what you're up to. If you are calling the existing fan pulley a harmonic balancer then you need to look again. It's just a pulley. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Don Carter wrote: > I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new > radiator > and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance > between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got > back from > one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine > thread 5/8 > bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that > will also > attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to > saw the > extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn > thing to > hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and > washer. Is > there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method > work? I > believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic > balancer > because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring > it not > to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no > room in > front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is > hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an > inside > taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so > please let > me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in > the other. > > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a > name of Don.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 04:41:04 2007 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <4608F4C0.4020900@verizon.net> Don, Cutting off the fan extension will work fine. It would be best to true up the end in a lathe after sawing it off to get a nice flat surface for the bolt head but with some care I am sure you could touch it up with a grinder. The hole through the center is somewhat over bolt size so use a good, thick, hardened washer. I have seen a fan extension replacer kit with a bolt and a machined aluminum "washer" about an inch thick. Only problem was, there were no holes for the dowel pins. I guess you were supposed to remove them. I don't remember who was making them but I think they were selling them on e-bay. Regards, Richard Good Good Parts www.goodparts.com Don Carter wrote: >I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator >and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance >between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from >one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 >bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also >attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the >extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to >hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is >there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I >believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer >because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not >to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in >front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is >hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside >taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let >me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. > > >don at carterdesignassociates.com > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 05:52:49 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:52:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension Message-ID: <032720071152.1167.46090591000778220000048F2207021053970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Richard Good > I have seen a fan extension replacer kit with a bolt and a machined > aluminum "washer" about an inch thick. Only problem was, there were no > holes for the dowel pins. I guess you were supposed to remove them. I > don't remember who was making them but I think they were selling them > on e-bay. Here it is: http://topshamautoparts.com/tr6/eliminator.htm Irv From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 27 07:38:46 2007 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:38:46 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <001401c77075$3ffedba0$6d15efdc@co3017577a> Don The Triumph sedans do not have the extension , they use a short hub about 1.25 inch thick to which the fan bolts . I have been running and Aluminium replacement on my race car for a number of years with no problem . A grade 5 bolt is fine with harden flat washer under head . Dont use spring washer . locktite it. Suggest you also check the harmonic balancer while your at it, we have a lot of problem with the outer ring spining on the hub , makes ignition timing interesting if you are not aware of it Geoff Byrne TR6 racer Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension > I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator > and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance > between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from > one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 > bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also > attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the > extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to > hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is > there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I > believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer > because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not > to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in > front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is > hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside > taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let > me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. > > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dodo at texas.net Tue Mar 27 10:18:17 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:18:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Smiths Sending Units? Message-ID: <003301c7708b$88392540$4101a8c0@ZAP> I want to use the following Smiths Eclipse instruments on my autocross car: * Eclipse Electric 52mm Oil Pressure Gauge P/N: IOP1-1552-10C * Eclipse Electric 52mm Water Temperature Gauge P/N: ICT1-1452-12C Can anyone provide me with the correct part numbers for sending units for an 1147 CC MK1 engine? Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (race) From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 27 10:40:59 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner_Cup_Update_=E2=80=93_Thriller_at_Miller_J?= =?utf-8?q?une_29-July1_2007?= Message-ID: <8C93EA5D57BB914-BB0-8A@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> FOT, The Kastner Cup race at Miller Motorsports Park (Tooele, Utah) is shaping up to be a great event. Although originally set up to run the perimeter track, Nostalgia Racing has recognized that the small bore cars may not enjoy the 3500 foot long main straight, so we will be running the East configuration. Miller Motorsports Park describes it as follows: bThe 2.2 mile East course has as many as seven major overtaking areas, and 14 corners, including the three-turn esses, which have significant elevation changes. The feature corner on the East course is the final turn, a 50 foot-wide, 9B: banked sweeper that leads onto the main straight. It is designed to create last-minute overtaking challenges before the race to the finish line.b It should make for fun racing! So far, the following have expressed interest in coming to the event: NameCar Chuck GeeSpitfire Mike BrunerTR4 Mordy DunstTR4 Steve SmithGT6 Ken Gillanders/Preston KaenelTR3 Paul SmockTR4 Bob MillerTR3A Dennis DeLapTR4 Chuck ArnoldTR5 Joe AlexanderTR4/Ambro? Jim NorlinSpitfire John FrymarkTR4 If you arenbt on the list above and are planning on going, please let me know so I can add you to the list. All Triumph participants will be eligible to win the Kastner Cup, an award based on 50% for the competitive results on the race track during the event (not necessarily the winner), 25% for the presentation of the car, and 25% for the attitude and interest in Vintage racing. This event will be under Historic Regulations, which means, no slicks or fender flairs. There will also be other bgoodiesb for all Triumph entries to commemorate the event. So make your plans now and join your FOT brethren and this great venue! More about Nostalgia Racing here: http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ A track map here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/images/common/map07.jpg More about Miller Motorsports Park here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/# More about the Kastner Cup here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Call Jimmy at 303.697.0750 for event information packets and entry forms or use the form attached. Thanks and hope to see you there! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Miller Entry Form.pdf] From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 27 10:57:30 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:57:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller Entry form Message-ID: <8C93EA8240F6EF6-1C64-1073@WEBMAIL-RA21.sysops.aol.com> All, Sorry, I forgot that attachments won't come through. You can get the entry form from the VARA website here: http://vararacing.com/Overall1.html Thanks, Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 27 12:05:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:05:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <6D821912-55BE-47FF-9AD5-CAD91DF89302@bnj.com> Oh, TR6. Read the frickin' subject line Babcock. Never mind. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Uhhh. What?? I don't get it. Is this a street car that you want both > electric and crank driven fans? Most people building race cars use > the fan extension for a paperweight. If you're using a harmonic > balancer most of the ones I know of have no provision for mounting a > fan. It's generally assumed you're either going to run without one > and just use motion cooling, or you're going to add an electric fan. > I'm not sure what you're up to. > > If you are calling the existing fan pulley a harmonic balancer then > you need to look again. It's just a pulley. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Don Carter wrote: > >> I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new >> radiator >> and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance >> between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got >> back from >> one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine >> thread 5/8 >> bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that >> will also >> attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to >> saw the >> extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn >> thing to >> hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and >> washer. Is >> there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method >> work? I >> believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic >> balancer >> because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring >> it not >> to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no >> room in >> front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is >> hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an >> inside >> taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so >> please let >> me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in >> the other. >> >> >> don at carterdesignassociates.com >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a >> name of Don.jpg] >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 17:37:47 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello: Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on my racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on one side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking forward to completing the other side in the next couple of days. I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer between the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the front end and we're ready for the next race. Gary '62 TR4 '69 TR6 From KLynch7589 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 17:50:51 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:50:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 Message-ID: Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring points for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech needs the data as he doesn't have it in house either. Thank you. Kev Lynch ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 17:52:13 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:52:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil In-Reply-To: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <000c01c770ca$f2886c00$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) from Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the shelf, so I was able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a quart and the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter has a store very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us racer types. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BOB KRAMER Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:55 PM To: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com; triumph_herald at yahoogroups.com; triumph_vitesse at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > Everyone, > > OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil > issue. > > We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical > questions > for our engines. > > As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP > (mostly > Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. > > The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything > rated > 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. > > SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph > engines. > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline > > These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. > > such as: > > A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) > > B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. > > C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV855) > > C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) > > So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are > they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor > factors. > > They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of > the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or > $40/gallon. > > Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to > thrive > on > hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. > > Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the > quality/capability/worth > of any of these products? > > Do tell. > > Best Regards to all > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websh ots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Mar 27 18:14:22 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:14:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner_Cup_Update_=E2=80=93_Thriller_at_Miller_J?= =?utf-8?q?une_29-July1_2007?= Message-ID: Chuck, Thanx immensely for all your work putting this together. What a remarkable track to run on! I'm tickled to see some of our more easterly FOT friends expressing interest in this event and it'll be good to see them all again. A huge thank You for your efforts. Steve FOT, The Kastner Cup race at Miller Motorsports Park (Tooele, Utah) is shaping up to be a great event. Although originally set up to run the perimeter track, Nostalgia Racing has recognized that the small bore cars may not enjoy the 3500 foot long main straight, so we will be running the East configuration. Miller Motorsports Park describes it as follows: bThe 2.2 mile East course has as many as seven major overtaking areas, and 14 corners, including the three-turn esses, which have significant elevation changes. The feature corner on the East course is the final turn, a 50 foot-wide, 9B: banked sweeper that leads onto the main straight. It is designed to create last-minute overtaking challenges before the race to the finish line.b It should make for fun racing! So far, the following have expressed interest in coming to the event: NameCar Chuck GeeSpitfire Mike BrunerTR4 Mordy DunstTR4 Steve SmithGT6 Ken Gillanders/Preston KaenelTR3 Paul SmockTR4 Bob MillerTR3A Dennis DeLapTR4 Chuck ArnoldTR5 Joe AlexanderTR4/Ambro? Jim NorlinSpitfire John FrymarkTR4 If you arenbt on the list above and are planning on going, please let me know so I can add you to the list. All Triumph participants will be eligible to win the Kastner Cup, an award based on 50% for the competitive results on the race track during the event (not necessarily the winner), 25% for the presentation of the car, and 25% for the attitude and interest in Vintage racing. This event will be under Historic Regulations, which means, no slicks or fender flairs. There will also be other bgoodiesb for all Triumph entries to commemorate the event. So make your plans now and join your FOT brethren and this great venue! More about Nostalgia Racing here: http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ A track map here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/images/common/map07.jpg More about Miller Motorsports Park here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/# More about the Kastner Cup here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Call Jimmy at 303.697.0750 for event information packets and entry forms or use the form attached. Thanks and hope to see you there! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing _________________________________________________________________ ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 19:25:08 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c770d7$ecdbdd20$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Kev If you cannot find anything GT6 specific, I have the original Factory Manuals for the Spitfire/Herald and I know it includes a lot of frame and suspension component dimensions. I could get my wife to scan the pages (she's the scanner guru) and fire them off to you. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring points for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech needs the data as he doesn't have it in house either. Thank you. Kev Lynch ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 21:20:42 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 References: Message-ID: <003801c770e8$11f30010$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have the softbound triumph GT6 and Herald manual part #512947, which has fully dimensioned frame drawings in great detail. If you do a lot of work on the car, the manual is indispensible for torque settings, clearances, diagrams, etc. Enthusiast Books has it for $49 http://www.enthusiastbooks.com/si/31319.html I think Bentley Books has it as well. I do not remember paying this much so you may want to shop around. This is the reprinted factory shop manual , just not in looseleaf binder form. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 > Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring > points > for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am > thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech > needs the > data as he doesn't have it in house either. > > Thank you. > > Kev Lynch > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Mar 27 22:16:45 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:16:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Gary, With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or braking. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello: > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > my > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > one > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > forward to > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > between > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > front > end and we're ready for the next race. > > Gary > > '62 TR4 > '69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 27 23:20:07 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:20:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2007 3:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, norlinengineering at comcast.net writes: > In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) from > Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the shelf, so I was > able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a quart and > the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter has a store > very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us racer > types. > > Jim Norlin > > > Many thanks Jim, There is a Baxter Auto Parts right at one end of my street, and a NAPA at the other end! I note that the Baxter's still stock my previous favorite Valvoline Synpower 20W50 in API 'SL', whereas the larger stores in town only have 'SM' now, so I might just relieve them of some of that shortly. I am still investigating all the various oil companies products to determine what the appropriate choices are for our cars, but certainly VV851 and VV855 figure high up on the listings at the moment. I am aware that the US oils may not be appropriate in the UK and Europe, and although I cannot say what is best in those markets, perhaps my findings will help people with what to look out for? Best Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 28 00:36:41 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:36:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, generally at the track for most vintage events you can get redline from Andy at Armadillo racing, or from the folks at competition Motorsports. redline works fine and costs about the same. but all this makes me feel particularly good about my Ceramic lifters. They might be spendy, but after a year of racing you can't tell the lifters apart from new ones, and the cam looks like someone polished it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2007 3:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > norlinengineering at comcast.net writes: > > >> In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) >> from >> Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the >> shelf, so I > was >> able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a >> quart and >> the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter >> has a > store >> very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us >> racer >> types. >> >> Jim Norlin >> >> >> Many thanks Jim, > > There is a Baxter Auto Parts right at one end of my street, and a > NAPA at the > other end! > > I note that the Baxter's still stock my previous favorite Valvoline > Synpower > 20W50 in API 'SL', whereas the larger stores in town only have 'SM' > now, so I > might just relieve them of some of that shortly. > > I am still investigating all the various oil companies products to > determine > what the appropriate choices are for our cars, but certainly VV851 > and VV855 > figure high up on the listings at the moment. > > I am aware that the US oils may not be appropriate in the UK and > Europe, and > although I cannot say what is best in those markets, perhaps my > findings will > help people with what to look out for? > > Best Regards > > Lion > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http:// > community.websho > ts.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Wed Mar 28 05:58:56 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243FB@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> THis can be very true, you will notice it when you late break hard in a corner as you transition to the throttle the rear spring rate changes and that can suck sometimes. I noticed it most in Autocross. I fixed it in my vintage Mustang by adding a 1/2 leaf from the axel forward since I was not using blocks. If you find spring rate changing in hard late break corners - drop the blocks and go to de-arching or just de-arch and be done with it... M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Greg Solow Sent: Wed 3/28/2007 12:16 AM To: Gary; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Gary, With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or braking. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello: > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > my > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > one > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > forward to > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > between > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > front > end and we're ready for the next race. > > Gary > > '62 TR4 > '69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 06:56:50 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:56:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 frame chart Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded... Kevin ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 28 08:33:25 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:33:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 In-Reply-To: <001301c770d7$ecdbdd20$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Kev > > If you cannot find anything GT6 specific, I have the original Factory > Manuals for the Spitfire/Herald and I know it includes a lot of frame and > suspension component dimensions. I could get my wife to scan the pages > (she's the scanner guru) and fire them off to you. I'm not trying to make work for anyone, but if that sort of drawing is hard to find or tough to come by, perhaps we should put a copy on the team.net servers??? Something to think about. > Jim Norlin regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Mar 28 10:04:15 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <023e01c77152$bd8a6890$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Gary, I had lowered my MGB years ago using blocks and felt the handling went terrible. I went to my local spring shop and talked to him about rearching(or dearching) the rear springs and he recalled that when the MGB's were new he had taken the main spring and flipped it over. This takes the eye of the spring and moves it from the top of the spring to the bottom of the spring which in essence drops the car about 11/2" -2". I did this about 10 years ago and haven't experienced any thing negative about it. The spring shop guy told me he could think of any reason why this would be a problem. The handling of the car is greatly improved with this modification. I also went to an earlier car front crossmember instead of shorter springs for the front end. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Gary" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Gary, > With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" > on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be > better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to > lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle > "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking > "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more > leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or > braking. > > Greg Solow > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > > > > Hello: > > > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > > my > > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > > one > > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > > forward to > > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > > between > > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > > front > > end and we're ready for the next race. > > > > Gary > > > > '62 TR4 > > '69 TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 09:45:51 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:45:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2007 10:05:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, charly at mitchelplumbing.com writes: A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle > "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking > "twist" of the tires against the pavement I agree with all that lowering blocks are not always the way to go, de-arching is the proper fix. Another point to consider is that (with lowering blocks) the lateral load during cornering puts more of a twist on the spring, unless it has a panhard on it. Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Wed Mar 28 14:22:44 2007 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR6 for sale Message-ID: <032820072022.1791.460ACE94000015BA000006FF22064244130E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> FoT: My friend is retiring and wants to sell his 1973, TR6. This is a very nice car with an interesting color combo and I would recommend this vehicle to anyone looking for a "6". Feel free to contact me off line at jcjcarrera at comcast.net for more information. John James -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "David Jepsen" To: "John James" Subject: TR6 for sale Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:39:28 +0000 John, Thanks for your help in selling the TR6. I have mixed feelings about letting it go, but it needs to be with an owner who will drive it more than I have been lately. As you know these babies need to be on the road. Heres what I know about the car. Restored 1973 TR6, mallard blue (dark green). 10K miles on rebuilt engine. Rebuilt rear end and carburetors. New Coker redline tires. Refurbished tan and black interior, and new trunk kit. Very nice daily driver. $16,500. From EDENMA at aol.com Wed Mar 28 18:54:22 2007 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:54:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, GT6 Data Points Message-ID: Kevin: I think I have what you need in a copy of the factory GT6 parts manual. I also have the same info in another manual. I am in CA until SUN will this be too late? Cheers! Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 10:35:35 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:35:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the world of modern vehicle design: Never compromise build cost for ease of maintenance. I'd hate to be a mechanic for a living these days. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 14, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > My humblest apologies for being off topic here, but... > > I just had to share this horrible experience! > > My '97 Toyota 4Runner SR5, (family vehicle) decided yesterday, (my > only day > off this week), that it's starter motor had done enough strating, > (at 102,000 > miles). > > Lots of clicking, not much else. > > It happened in a parking lot of a shopping center, (built on an > Indian burial > gound, so considered a jinxed place by locals)... > > I also had my 16= year old daughter with me, who was bitching that > her day > was now ruined, because she couldn't get to the Mall to shop - it > was all of > tw > blocks away! > > No comment. > > Anyhoo, I called Cingular, with whom I was supposed to have > breakdown cover > for the last year, and was informed that I had no such cover on my > account, > even though I had asked for it when the account was set-up! > > So, I had to call my wife, to come tow me with her '86 Ford > Econoline camper > van. > She borrowed a rather secondhand tow rope from our circuit racer > neighbour, > who informed her that towing with a rope was illegal in Oregon? > > After an 'interesting' 6 mile tow, to a friend's shop, during which > the rope > only snapped one time, (at a busy and dangerous intersection, > naturally), when > I very quickly called into play my boy scout knot tying skills...we > made it, > without being arrested. > > note that automatic SUV's with power braking and power steering, > are VERY > tough to brake and steer, without power! > > Anyhoo, when my friends saw the ensemble of '86 Econoline towing > '97 4Runner, > they responded with "you might be a redneck if", very funny! > > We first disconnected the battery, and luckily I had one of those > handy-dandy > computer memory keeper thingys that plugs into the cigarette > lighter - and it > worked - otherwise I would be paying the local Toyota dealer $45 to > reset the > radio code, which I do not have, and yes it does work! > > So to remove the starter, Messrs Chiltons encouraged us to > "disconnect wires, > unbolt starter and pull forward towards front of vehicle to remove > from > vehicle." > > Oh yeah? > > The front driveshafts were in the way, so that part of the manual > must be > referring to the 2WD version. > > The starter bolts came out easily enough, as did the heavy wire, > although the > plastic clip attaching the small wire is the work of satan himself, > heat > hardened due to the proximity of the exhaust, covered in oil/grease/ > dirt and > designed in the true fashion of the ancient Chinese puzzle, also at > arms > length and > almost inaccesible. > > But the real fun was yet to come. > > That increasingly heavy, and at arms length, starter motor was not > coming out > via any of the very small access holes, at any angle or direction. > > We removed the two 'skid plates', still no go, and eventually > figured out > that we would have to remove the long thin pipe for the ATF > dipstick, which > is, > (of course), welded to the ATF pan, which cannot itself be removed, > without > first draining the ATF and at least half removing the hefty front > Anti-sway > bar, > then disconnecting the pipes to the power steering. > > Nice design Toyota, most impressive. > > note that the bolts for the anti-sway bar are welded underneath > with the nuts > on top, and that the bolts closest to the exhaust downpipe/cat are > cooked and > rusted... > > One of those had to meet the BFH and then we had to snap it off in the > bracket, later drilling out the remains, just to remove it. > > Now my starter motor is in for a rebuild, and the transmission is > getting new > filter and gasket, and the anti-sway bar link on the other side is > getting > replaced - we discovered it was in poor condition - > > That little lot took roughly 4 hours, and my hands still ache. > > Not looking forward to putting it all back together. > > I am grateful that we were able to avoid a hefty towing charge and > dealer > bills for the work. > > I think what really bothers me most is the complete lack of decent > servicing > design by Toyota, and the almost useless Chiltons Manual. > > Never mind, at least I stil have the '86 Econoline to go to work > today and > tomorrow! > > Triumph design rules! > > Take care out there > > Leon > > http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Sun Mar 25 15:54:24 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <4606EF90.D7E06C21@greenapple.com> Stutzman wrote: > the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland. > report back any comments on any of these shots I sent this out a while back don't know if the list sitee problem let it through tom I picked through the cumberland site the past couple of years here is a list that makes it easier for the dialup guys http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1402&sort=1&cat=all&page=6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1399&sort=1&cat=all&page=6 sesslar 63 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=584&sort=1&cat=all&page=57 1965 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=581&sort=1&cat=all&page=58 spit fire #44 Cumberland http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1384&sort=1&cat=all&page=8 White TR4 Car#1? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1239&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 TVR http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1226&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 Dk Pink TR3A http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1225&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 Shefield bob minni http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1218&sort=1&cat=all&page=12 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1044&sort=1&cat=all&page=24 show TR4A Red http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1138&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 1500 spitfire/TR4A/TR8? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1137&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 1500 Spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1135&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1118&sort=1&cat=all&page=20 red spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1133&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 White TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1110&sort=1&cat=all&page=20 Car #36 Red (Peace sign P http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1027&sort=1&cat=all&page=26 Group 44 spitfire #4 and MGB #44 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=950&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1026&sort=1&cat=all&page=26 Group 44 Tr4 ONice after rain shott http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1061&sort=1&cat=all&page=23 Group 44 TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=962&sort=1&cat=all&page=31 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1014&sort=1&cat=all&page=27 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1040&sort=1&cat=all&page=25 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1001&sort=1&cat=all&page=28 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=957&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 #44 MGb http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=951&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=960&sort=1&cat=all&page=31 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1034&sort=1&cat=all&page=25 44MGB Spit and GT6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1013&sort=1&cat=all&page=27 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=977&sort=1&cat=all&page=30 dona and Don http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=946&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 Car # 7 Bill Emery TR3a http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=945&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 TR3A Show http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=834&sort=1&cat=all&page=42 TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=834&sort=1&cat=all&page=42 Eric dean era 55 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=577&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=576&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Who is this (TR2;3 in Backround) http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=571&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Jag 120 #176 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=569&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Ladies only http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=542&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=60 TR4 #55 Two cars B/W CP? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=550&sort=1&cat=all&page=60 Kiss http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=534&sort=1&cat=all&page=61 TTR2/3 out front http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=531&sort=1&cat=all&page=61 cuties http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=529&size=big&sort=1&cat=all mims http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=516&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=62 TR2/3 1956 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=464&sort=1&cat=all&page=66 MacAfee 1956 cumberland http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=458&sort=1&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=440&sort=1&cat=all&page=68 1956 cumberland 100m? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=457&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=447&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=68 TR2/3 beating Healy 110m 1956 drivers Rothchild and Hathoway http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=453&sort=1&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=437&sort=1&cat=all&page=69 MGA Jean Spidel http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=428&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 1955 RJ Kirkpatrick Pittsburg Pa http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=426&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 Cop. Robert kuhm http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=425&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 Traver McKenna http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=421&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 william eager Lister MG http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=420&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=70 Ferrari Sherwood Johnson http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=418&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=70 ferrari sherwood, sherwood and MoMo http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=417&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=416&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 Maseratti Momo http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=407&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=71 Loyd Bill Spear http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=408&sort=1&cat=all&page=71 Car #13Jack Miller Joe Grattpn, Heman meotti http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=356&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 Mr and Mrs John LUKE http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=351&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 aydrie Zuric http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=351&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 1963 m9ms http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=302&sort=1&cat=all&page=78 1962? Car # ?5 TR4 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=231&sort=1&cat=all&page=80 1969 #81 Spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=116&sort=1&cat=all&page=90 #4 spiitfire on grid http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=111&sort=1&cat=all&page=90 Car #81 TR3 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=83&sort=1&cat=all&page=92 1957 Tree TR3 's in pit with porche alfa andac bristo; Bull Wallace Loutz Nash and an MGA Cappiel http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=65&sort=1&cat=all&page=94 TR in background Dennise mcc;ougage Porche 550 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=63&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=94 10968 tullius and Kelly TR250 and TR4 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=56&sort=1&cat=all&page=94 1956 three TR2 and a Woody Car #16 nd Car #14? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=14&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 Corvetee http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=9&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 Car #13 Porche 550 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=10&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=8&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #119 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=3&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #72 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 car#44 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=2&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 car#249 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=5&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #276 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 healey http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=13&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Benz http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=15&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Car #277 Porcxhe http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=6&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Photo 64-022 is John and Peggy Luke changing a tyre on their TR3. John Luke was the first driver my brother crewed for. Luke and my brother were going to West Virginia University in Morgantown. Cumberland was the closest track. Peggy was/is quite a looker. I like the hairdo! The paper mill town of Luke, Maryland was named for John Luke's family. Also look at 64-023, the black or dark TR4 of Dennis Riley. I have a video copy of a home movie of Riley and others racing at Cumberland in 1964. Donna Mae Mims on a pit scooter. I have always wondered if this Dennis Riley is the same Dennis Riley that was president of VTR. From KLynch7589 at aol.com Thu Mar 29 08:41:17 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The question was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface problem? Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its problems. One at the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke to a few guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of spots. Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing time. All in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if true... Kevin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 29 19:07:09 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: <20070329.180710.-224169.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Kevin, I took a lap of the East Circuit @ Miller, while Nostalgia Racing was there last July. That was a lap at 4.5 MPH, on an open vehicle, with NO suspension.. Golf Carts flew by me, bicycles lapped me. Had a good look at the surface. Spotted one seam failure that looked to have been stabilized with an Epoxy product. The rest of that track segment was quite smooth, on and off line. During the weekend, there were NEVER reports from Flagging & Communications of any track break up. We NEVER had to hold the grid to get sweeping done. The track blower mostly kicked up dust. Later in the weekend I got a ride at speed and found it to be as smooth as you could expect for a track prepared vehicle. The East Circuit is part of 3 of the 4 configurations, so the second half of it gets lots of traffic and there had already been pro races before NR ran. The SCCA World Challenge guys did not note surface issues when they ran the full circuit. It is possible that degradation occurred over the past year, but the Vintage Cars did it little harm after its initial use. We need to hear from a local, with a report of Spring 2007 conditions. Bill NR Race Control On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT KLynch7589 at aol.com writes: > Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The > question > was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface > problem? > Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its > problems. One at > the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke > to a few > guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of > spots. > Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing > time. All > in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if > true... > > Kevin > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Mar 29 18:42:11 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Miller surface In-Reply-To: <20070329.180710.-224169.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Drove on it last August at the HSR event, it was much smoother than, oh say Hallett............Henry Morrison >From: William G Rosenbach >To: KLynch7589 at aol.com >CC: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Miller surface >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0700 > >Kevin, >I took a lap of the East Circuit @ Miller, while Nostalgia Racing was >there last July. That was a lap at 4.5 MPH, on an open vehicle, with NO >suspension.. Golf Carts flew by me, bicycles lapped me. Had a good look >at the surface. Spotted one seam failure that looked to have been >stabilized with an Epoxy product. The rest of that track segment was >quite smooth, on and off line. During the weekend, there were NEVER >reports from Flagging & Communications of any track break up. We NEVER >had to hold the grid to get sweeping done. The track blower mostly kicked >up dust. >Later in the weekend I got a ride at speed and found it to be as smooth >as you could expect for a track prepared vehicle. > >The East Circuit is part of 3 of the 4 configurations, so the second >half of it gets lots of traffic and there had already been pro races >before NR ran. The SCCA World Challenge guys did not note surface issues >when they ran the full circuit. > >It is possible that degradation occurred over the past year, but the >Vintage Cars did it little harm after its initial use. We need to hear >from a local, with a report of Spring 2007 conditions. > >Bill >NR Race Control > >On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT KLynch7589 at aol.com writes: > > Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The > > question > > was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface > > problem? > > Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its > > problems. One at > > the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke > > to a few > > guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of > > spots. > > Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing > > time. All > > in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if > > true... > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From KLynch7589 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 29 18:45:58 2007 From: KLynch7589 at AOL.COM (KLynch7589 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:45:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: Bill, appreciate the reply. Perhaps I wasn't clear, the info I passed along is weeks old. Please take with as much salt as you wish... I spoke with someone else close to the situation this week, his take on the situation out there is that it might turn into a huge "backcharge". Anyone being in the business knows, 'that' word is not to be bantered about or taken lightly. Like I said, my hope is that these sources have heard it wrong or maybe blown it just a bit out of proportion. Hope so... Kevin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Mar 30 03:27:44 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex on eBay Message-ID: <200703300927.l2U9RkZD302754@ns3.geneseo.net> I've listed a Moldex crank, repaired, on eBay. It is item number 180101598141 uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 30 21:10:05 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 30 21:33:17 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:33:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801c77345$531ee5e0$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Tony, I've cleaned up and rebuilt overdrives several times now but haven't come across that bushing disintegration. My Vicky Brit catalog doesn't number it either. John Esposito at Quantumechanics rebuilts zillions of these and he'd have the parts if anyone would. 203-459-9612 or john at quantumechanics.com. Good luck with it! Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would > follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the > pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there > one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? > Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the > "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. > Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in > the other? > Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open > up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and > "pin" it to the pump housing. > Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance > for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... > - Tony Drews > PS - Shameless plugs: > Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] > Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 > TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 > Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] > (gotta fund that new crankshaft) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > __________ NOD32 2158 (20070330) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Mar 31 08:57:44 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage - also go see Wild Hogs Message-ID: Neat website. I'd say Jay has done more for promoting classic cars and motorsports to the general public than any other one person. Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Jay Leno's garage http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/ ---- Linda and I saw Wild Hogs...great fun movie. Lot's of "must be a guy thing" comedy, Enjoy, Bill Sohl From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Mar 31 09:55:25 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:55:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 @ Road America Autocross Message-ID: This email is to just to give you a heads-up (or reminder) that there WILL be an autox taking place at the MOTRAH 007 event at this years Vintage Races at Road America the weekend of May 17th - 20th. The autox will take place Saturday the 19th and will be open to MOgans, TRiumphs, and Austin Healeys only. Both stock cars and race cars will be able to compete. Details are currently being worked out. I anticipate being able to give you all the good stuff mid April but I am sending this in advance so that you can make plans. This is probably a once in a lifetime event, an autox at a Road Race. See you there, Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Mar 31 10:21:36 2007 From: gasket.works at gte.net (M. Dunst, Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:21:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage References: Message-ID: <001201c773b0$a7c82aa0$8902a8c0@x4k3e8> I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and storage facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E type in Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars are fueld, charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show condition. He has three main garages two for storage and display and one for work. I thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed boy in a candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, a true mechanic of all things mooving. m From triosan at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 10:28:04 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:28:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com> <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about to pull the %%&&** tranny again. Chuck On 3/31/07, Tony Drews wrote: > > Chuck, Thanks! But, I'm using an A-type. I do have a spare that I'm > about to dig into to see how good it is. > > - Tony > > At 11:05 AM 3/31/2007, you wrote: > > Tony, I have a jtype od that blew up due to a fronzen rear diff [spyder > gear break at 4500 rpm under full power]. The pump part is fine. You could > have it, though I believe you are probably using an A type [have not > followed the links]. > Chuck > > > On 3/30/07, *Tony Drews* wrote: > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would > follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the > pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there > one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? > Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the > "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. > Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in > the other? > Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open > up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and > "pin" it to the pump housing. > Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance > for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... > - Tony Drews > PS - Shameless plugs: > Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] > Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 > TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 > Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] > (gotta fund that new crankshaft) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > > -- Chuck Arnold From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 31 10:51:49 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20070331114039.045d2fb0@tonydrews.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com> <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> <7.1.0.9.0.20070331114039.045d2fb0@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <20070331175143.4AFBB187A2E@autox.team.net> Repost with extra stuff at the end removed (first one bounced at team.net) - Tony At 11:49 AM 3/31/2007, Tony Drews wrote: >Congrats at getting that sucker going! Condolences on the tranny issue. > >There are a couple of things I can think of that may cause this: >1. There are two different length throwout bearing carriers. If you >have the "long" one installed and the "short" one is needed, it >could possibly be pushing in the clutch fingers when assembled. >2. If the bearing carrier is not engaged with the fingers in the >actuating yoke but in front of those fingers instead, it would cause >the clutch to be pushed in / disengaged when assembled. >3. Some sort of issue with the slave cylinder linkage (hopefully >this is the problem, because you don't have to pull the tranny to fix that). >4. A problem in the master cylinder that causes the clutch to not >disengage once pushed in. Some master cylinders intended for >braking use have some sort of check valve in them, I'm told. > >Take the slave cylinder linkage loose and see if you have any plan >in the clutch actuating lever, that'll give you a starting >point. If there IS play in the actuating lever, and the engine >still doesn't drive the car, I'm as somewhat of a loss as to what >would cause that. If, when you're taking the slave cylinder off you >notice that it's been pushing on the actuating lever, and once >released the tranny engages with the engine, you need to look at the >linkage assembly and master cylinder. > >I'm assuming that it's a stock style pressure plate. > >- Tony > >At 11:28 AM 3/31/2007, Chuck Arnold wrote: >>Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my >>TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to >>test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch >>must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I >>can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" >>for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota >>conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's >>were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about >>to pull the %%&&** tranny again. >>Chuck From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 31 12:39:36 2007 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8C941DB1181F157-1780-424A@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Tony- The hip bones connected to ...no wait this is tranny talk. However, its all the same. Usually due to "vigorous " shifting or just old age, the "top hat" bushing in the trans on the mainshaft breaks and allows too much endfloat. This in turn usually pounds the little bronze bush in the center of the planetary set. When this goes away, everything moves waay more than any engineer ever thought it would and the bushing you're looking at is usually the recipient of all the load and it too goes away. Sometimes that bushing, just out of spite, spins in the housing or breaks all on its own. In either case the end result is the same...there never was a replacement available that I'm aware of. So, time to get the lathe out and whittle one. or replace the housing! Broken gears and tears..... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: tony at tonydrews.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 31 15:31:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8C941DB1181F157-1780-424A@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c773db$e6f64600$690fc548@RWKastner> Good advice. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: malaboge at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue Tony- The hip bones connected to ...no wait this is tranny talk. However, its all the same. Usually due to "vigorous " shifting or just old age, the "top hat" bushing in the trans on the mainshaft breaks and allows too much endfloat. This in turn usually pounds the little bronze bush in the center of the planetary set. When this goes away, everything moves waay more than any engineer ever thought it would and the bushing you're looking at is usually the recipient of all the load and it too goes away. Sometimes that bushing, just out of spite, spins in the housing or breaks all on its own. In either case the end result is the same...there never was a replacement available that I'm aware of. So, time to get the lathe out and whittle one. or replace the housing! Broken gears and tears..... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: tony at tonydrews.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 31 16:23:35 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> I thought you might be interested in my continuing OD saga. Thanks to all for the excellent advice! I took the OD mostly apart and documented my findings on the overdrive page I created: http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm What's amazing is that the OD worked just fine at the last race. If you look at the pictures on my OD page, you'll be amazed that it worked at all (I was anyway). Also, Randall sent me a PDF of the Laycock A-type overdrive manual, so I posted it on that same web page, along with links to Larry's excellent tranny and OD articles. - Tony Drews At 10:10 PM 3/30/2007, Tony Drews wrote: > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 31 16:23:54 2007 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net><8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com><460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c773e3$448e10c0$6501a8c0@RTA> I personally know a dummy who once installed his TR-4 clutch plate in backwards. It would not disengage until he took the %%&&** tranny back out and turned it around. It worked quite nicely after that. Richard Taylor Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about to pull the %%&&** tranny again. Chuck From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 3 11:46:03 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 12:46:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Is it alive? Message-ID: <20070303191252.8FEB21879CA@autox.team.net> Just checking to see if the FOT list is back on the air... Mark, we really appreciate you and what you do! - Tony From mjb at autox.team.net Sat Mar 3 12:14:55 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:14:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] Nice day Message-ID: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> Lovely weather, too cold for a top down drive, though. Besides, I'm still stuck in the basement chained to my servers. mjb. From henry at henryfrye.com Sat Mar 3 06:40:49 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 08:40:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net In-Reply-To: <45DF7DAA.6040404@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042DE7@server.Triumph.local> Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: February 23, 2007 6:50 PM > To: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net > > Things are happening, just not sure which direction I'm > going, whether life is getting better of worse. > > Hope I don't drink TOO much at tomorrow's Beach Party. > > > -- > mjb. > > http://fatchancegarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sat Mar 3 13:28:30 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:28:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice day In-Reply-To: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> References: <20070303191455.49A4B1879D4@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070303152451.01df11e0@blacksburg.net> At 02:14 PM 3/3/2007, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: >Lovely weather, too cold for a top down drive, though. >Besides, I'm still stuck in the basement chained to my >servers. > >mjb. While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for lack of team.net mail. Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. Jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 3 15:08:58 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:08:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042DE7@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: *Cue Dr. Frankenstein* It's Alive!!!!!!!!! Muhahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: Mark J. Bradakis ; fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: February 23, 2007 6:50 PM > To: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: [Fot] Movement on Team.Net > > Things are happening, just not sure which direction I'm > going, whether life is getting better of worse. > > Hope I don't drink TOO much at tomorrow's Beach Party. > > > -- > mjb. > > http://fatchancegarage.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrhill at chorus.net Sat Mar 3 15:17:58 2007 From: jrhill at chorus.net (jrhill) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:17:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Is it alive? References: <20070303191252.8FEB21879CA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <00c701c75de1$cec9b9a0$58f80b45@triumph> Tony Drews wrote: > Just checking to see if the FOT list is back on the air... And Henry Frye asked: > Does this mean the REAL fot list is back??? ;-) Seems to be . . . FOT List: Born December 11th, 1996, when the list first went live on MJB's team-net server. Resurrected March 3, 2007, after a brief illness following its 10th anniversary on the air. Welcome back! Jim Hill From hoosierq at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:16:27 2007 From: hoosierq at gmail.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 17:16:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Yet another shot in the digital dark Message-ID: <9da98a770703031616p18d4dbaeladfef2c2ed06413d@mail.gmail.com> Slowly getting things back to normal with the dozen or so domains I manage. Trying an FOT message from a temporary Google email account I set up during the crisis. We'll see what happens. mjb. From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 3 17:23:45 2007 From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:23:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Nice day In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070303152451.01df11e0@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <294536.89277.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Isn't all the time a good time for a fund drive? Now my favorite place to lurk and procrastinate is back live. Thanks Mark "J.C. Hassall" wrote: While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for lack of team.net mail. Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. Jim -- --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 3 17:55:40 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:55:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] a Carrillo Rod Message-ID: <366757.14592.qm@web81702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is the last thing that I sent to the FOT - just about the time things went down. Dennis DeLap wrote: Shane - with thinking like this I shouldn't be racing a TR4........ a TR6 perhaps! - just kidding. Anyone out there still run the vintage Carrillo Rods in their TR3 or 4? Dennis SHANE Ingate wrote Then when one of your early-style rods goes south, you'll be cap in hand looking again. Given the price of "reconditioning" your old rods and sourcing a fourth, it will not cost you much more for a new set of four rods. Carrillo are doing you a favor. Shane Ingate, program manager wonk in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 00:12:01 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:12:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator Message-ID: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> I just discovered brake fluid leaking on my garage floor and traced this leak to my TR-6s pressure differential warning actuator. Do I really need this gizmo? I strongly suspect that I would not require a warning lamp to inform me that half of the braking system in my modified Triumph has failed. My bet is that I would quickly notice a partial failure without the red light due to the dramatic reduction in braking power. I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply ordering a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing differential pressure sensor, but I am wondering why I should maintain some gimmick I probably don't need that could potentially fail or leak again. Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 perform some useful function that I don't know about? Has anyone on the list replaced the pressure differential warning indicator with passive connections that tie the front and rear braking circuits to the appropriate halves of the master cylinder? If anyone on the list has recommendations for eliminating the pressure differential warning actuator I would appreciate hearing about how this can safely be accomplished. I am currently leaning towards replacing the differential pressure sensor with double inverted compression flares and the associated brake line splicing hardware. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, CA. --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. From wensley at adelphia.net Sun Mar 4 07:05:30 2007 From: wensley at adelphia.net (Craig) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:05:30 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nice day References: <294536.89277.qm@web58907.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c75e66$2b0ac630$0300a8c0@Desktop> Its got to be time for one What do you guys think $5 or $10 from all of us? Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Husmann" To: Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nice day > Isn't all the time a good time for a fund drive? > > Now my favorite place to lurk and procrastinate is back live. > > Thanks Mark > > > "J.C. Hassall" wrote: > > While throwing money at a problem is rarely the solution (and I'm a > Federal Gumment employee!!), is it time for another fund drive? I > think it's an opportune time - there are lots of folks w/the DTs for > lack of team.net mail. > > Mark, we appreciate you man! Keep up the good work. > > Jim > -- > > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sun Mar 4 07:25:06 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 06:25:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator In-Reply-To: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I strongly suspect that I would not require > a warning lamp to inform me that half of the braking system in my > modified Triumph has failed. You would think so, but I recently bought a Triumph Stag whose rear brakes didn't work; and didn't realize it from a test drive. Didn't discover the problem until they locked up several hours down the road (towards home); but subsequent investigation showed they had not been working for a long time. > I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply > ordering a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing > differential pressure sensor, Not necessarily, some rebuild kits are NLA. > Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 > perform some useful function that I don't know about? Nope, all it does is run that red light on the dash and serve as a connector between the lines. Randall From markjwea at msn.com Sun Mar 4 12:49:39 2007 From: markjwea at msn.com (MARK J WEATHERS) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 19:49:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator In-Reply-To: <357673.89040.qm@web51106.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I eliminated mine a long time ago by plumbing without this manifold. I was tired of resetting it when I bled brakes. Mark Weathers >From: Jim Prettyleaf >To: Friends of Triumph >Subject: [Fot] TR-6 pressure differential warning actuator >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:12:01 -0800 (PST) > > I just discovered brake fluid leaking on my garage floor and traced this >leak to my TR-6s pressure differential warning actuator. Do I really need >this gizmo? I strongly suspect that I would not require a warning lamp to >inform me that half of the braking system in my modified Triumph has >failed. My bet is that I would quickly notice a partial failure without >the red light due to the dramatic reduction in braking power. > > I realize that I can fix this leak by spending money and simply ordering >a replacement part or a rebuild kit for the existing differential pressure >sensor, but I am wondering why I should maintain some gimmick I probably >don't need that could potentially fail or leak again. > > Does the pressure differential warning indicator in the TR-6 perform >some useful function that I don't know about? > > Has anyone on the list replaced the pressure differential warning >indicator with passive connections that tie the front and rear braking >circuits to the appropriate halves of the master cylinder? > > If anyone on the list has recommendations for eliminating the pressure >differential warning actuator I would appreciate hearing about how this can >safely be accomplished. I am currently leaning towards replacing the >differential pressure sensor with double inverted compression flares and >the associated brake line splicing hardware. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino, CA. > > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Mar 4 14:53:00 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 22:53:00 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: Message-ID: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> test From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 4 17:40:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:40:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] test In-Reply-To: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: Looks like we're back in biz. congratulations Mark. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour -- touring and racing classic North American tracks in a custom Airstream trailer. Ponohouse -- living and playing in Maui. Via RSS Ponohouse AllAluminumTour On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > test > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Mar 5 13:56:08 2007 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:56:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi Here is the email For Zach and Tim Fountaine that were nominated and seconded into our group Zach is my student here at Wyotech and is building a F/P Spitfire in my class thanks Rick Junkermeier zfountaineARE at bresnan.net From joeg at neb.rr.com Mon Mar 5 16:54:04 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:54:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the auotx lists. Thought I'd try a test. Joe Guinan 751 Day Drive Fremont, NE 68025 Home Phone - 402-727-8011 joeg at neb.rr.com From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 5 20:15:52 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:15:52 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Test In-Reply-To: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> References: <000301c75f81$8f05a440$6401a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: <1016F120-8CF9-4825-A3A3-01379E0D7E3A@bnj.com> works. Seems like we're back in biz. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 5, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Joe Guinan wrote: > Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the > auotx > lists. Thought I'd try a test. > > Joe Guinan > 751 Day Drive > Fremont, NE 68025 > Home Phone - 402-727-8011 > joeg at neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Mon Mar 5 20:22:19 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:22:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] FREE body panels Message-ID: <565806.3966.qm@web81202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List: I am cleaning out the excess stuff from the shop and have a pile of TR2,3,3A boot lids and a bonnet that are free for any lister that needs them. They include two TR2 boot lids, a TR3 boot lid, and a post 60000 TR3A boot lid. All have surface rust...I don't believe any have rust through. The bonnet is a pre-60000 bonnet. I seem to remember it being a rolled rear edge model. It too has lots of surface rust, but no rust through. These are free to anyone that picks them up or pays shipping. I want them to find a new home soon, and I hate for it to be the scrapper. This is your chance to own original British rust at a fraction of the cost of scrap! Get while it lasts...before it reverts back to it's natural state! Thanks - Ed From tr5racer at btinternet.com Tue Mar 6 07:41:44 2007 From: tr5racer at btinternet.com (JOSEPH HUGHES) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:41:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Sebring 12 hrs 1966 Message-ID: <20070306144144.86539.qmail@web86614.mail.ird.yahoo.com> JOSEPH HUGHES wrote: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: JOSEPH HUGHES Subject: Sebring 12 hrs 1966 To: Friends of Triumph While recently reading through the official 12 Hours of Sebring book that I purchased several years ago whilst visiting the circuit, I notice that in the results for the 1966 race Bob Tullius and Charlie Gates were entered in what was described in the book as a Triumph TR4A prototype. The car failed to finish retiring with fuel problems after 47 laps. This is not a car I have heard mention of before.It was clearly not a prototype of the TR4A model that appeared in 1965 so I am intrigued to know what exactly it was! Mike Hughes UK --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 6 09:12:29 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: Amici: After all the hard work he has done, I hate to burden Mark with another name to add, but I would like to nominate Greg Blake ablake2 at austin.rr.com for inclusion in the Friends of Triumph e-mail list. I haven't met Greg in person. He has been posting questions about preparing his TR3 for vintage racing on the Racing Forum on British Car Forum. The responses to his questions have been very sparse. I have tried to answer, but my knowledge is insufficient. I thought that Greg would get more information if he could post his questions to FoT. Also, I have a soft spot for vintage racing TR3s! Here's a little bio Greg sent me: My family has owned the car I am rebuilding since I was about 10. It is a 1958 TR3A. My Dad purchased it originally to rebuild it with my brother but he never showed interest. My buddy and I rolled it in the garage one day and took all interior and all body panels off. When Dad got home he told me I could have it if I would put it back together with him. That was 1985. Neither my Dad nor I had ever rebuilt a car before so it was more like a refurbishment. I got it running by age 16 and drove it all through high school and college. By the end of college it was getting pretty bad again. The rust we thought we had taken care of was back. So it went into storage for another 10 years. While I was in high school and college, I autocrossed the car in Mineral wells, Bedford, and College Station TX. At my first autocross, I decided that I would try club racing some day when I had the time to build a car. I tore the car down to the frame back in 2004 and discovered several issues. I started looking for a donor frame and found a TR4 frame in my area. I decided to build a TR3 Beta. The intent of this restoration is to be able to race with the Corinthians once completed. I would appreciate the nomination. Bob Kramer has told me about the listing before, it sounds like a good resource. Forgot to mention, in that 10 year storage period I found my self lost. I bought a 260Z and prepared it for SSCA BSP Solo II. Also a $100 Spec RX-7 somewhere along the way. Luckily I found my way back... Can I have a second, please? John H. From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Mar 6 10:05:37 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:05:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Mar 6 10:47:24 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:47:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> References: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882084FE48F@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Larry, Shame on me for not getting Greg on the list. He is in my local club and the 2 of us built his differential not that long ago. He lives in Lakeway, not that far from me. Have you checked the CVAR Group lately? Some guys have been wondering about how you are doing, me included. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Tue Mar 6 10:49:11 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:49:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Nomination Message-ID: <000601c76017$bf4acf32$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> I happily second the nomination, sounds like our kind of nutcase... But I hope someone with CVAR signs off on the frame replacement. Building a widetrack TR3 is likely to be frowned upon by most, if not all Vintage Racing organizations! Welcome aboard. Henry Frye Sent from my Treo PDA -----Original Message----- I tore the car down to the frame back in 2004 and discovered several issues. I started looking for a donor frame and found a TR4 frame in my area. I decided to build a TR3 Beta. The intent of this restoration is to be able to race with the Corinthians once completed. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Mar 6 10:56:33 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:56:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Lexington, KY area part pick-up/storage help needed Message-ID: Is there anyone in the Lexington, KY area that could possibly help me out. I have a hood and air dam for a spitfire that can be brought up there on Saturday. Problem for me is I don't get back from my business trip until Sat. at 4 and it's a 6 hour drive. The hood and air dam will fit into the back of a full size pick-up truck. I might be able to get down sunday to pick it up...longest it would sit is a week from sunday. anyone? aaron From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Tue Mar 6 11:08:31 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:08:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] Jethot headers Message-ID: <320494.1999.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> List: I had a customer ask me if it was wrong to break-in his engine with the Jethotted headers installed. Or, if the headers themselves had a particular break-in method. I had to admit ignorance on the subject, and had never really dwelled on it in the past. I've always just installed and ran. His thoughts are that it will hold in too much heat during this critical time. Is there anyone in the group that knows of a particular procedure? Thanks for all advice - Ed From chris at tr4-racing.de Wed Mar 7 05:03:27 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:03:27 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <001f01c760b0$9e22a650$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> No messages on FOT? Hey, wake up! From sbarr at mccarty-law.com Wed Mar 7 05:08:59 2007 From: sbarr at mccarty-law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:08:59 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEA10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a drastically overweight Spitfire? Scott B. From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 7 07:05:05 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:05:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEA10@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <002001c760c1$9bbf2b20$84fea8c0@shop> Scott, At a car show in Phoenix last Sunday I learned from a guy there that Rimmer is now selling new ones. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? > OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) > > I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the > engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does > anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a > drastically overweight Spitfire? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Mar 7 11:01:35 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:01:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] tranny case locating dowels on at TR6 Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I am about to rebuild a tranny again out of a TR6 that has had chronic tophat bush issues. The clutch works fine in reverse, first and forth but don't dare try and downshift to second. That's a pretty common problem, but one I've never had on the many trannies I have rebuilt in any other car. I swapped the original problematic one for another that I rebuilt and it quickly broke the tophat bush too. When I removed it last night I noticed that the locating dowels are missing. I have heard that this causes ckutch problems. Does it also cause this type of tranny issue? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From triumph_marx at freenet.de Wed Mar 7 13:13:09 2007 From: triumph_marx at freenet.de (triumph_marx at freenet.de) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:13:09 +0100 Subject: [Fot] test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <001f01c760b0$9e22a650$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <002001c760f2$ea05f6c0$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Message-ID: <002001c760f5$070e9a40$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Maybe I get my mail back with the old address? If not....please help! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] test > > > > No messages on FOT? > > > > Hey, wake up! > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dodo at texas.net Wed Mar 7 14:21:04 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:21:04 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Message-ID: <000401c760fe$84ac1be0$4101a8c0@ZAP> I am looking to install a fuel cell in my 62 Mk1. I am leaning towards the 15 gal Fuel Safe Enduro (p/n ED115A). Has anybody had any experience installing this cell in a Spit? Any other cell I should look at? Thanx Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (race San Antonio, TX From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 7 14:31:04 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:31:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: <000401c760fe$84ac1be0$4101a8c0@ZAP> Message-ID: Hi, I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". So - how about a survey? example: Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From macdonaldp at rogers.com Wed Mar 7 14:39:43 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:39:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then there are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so what's wrong with it? http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku Thanks Paul From gp89 at charter.net Wed Mar 7 15:22:24 2007 From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:22:24 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Alloy Spit bell housings? Message-ID: <1244366136.1173306144485.JavaMail.root@fepweb03> Gee Scott I"ll bet we could dust one off and see if it has your name on it. Is this for the 1300 or the1500? Jeff Senty Gp89blue ---- "Barr wrote: > OK, Chris, I'm awake. :-) > > I'm looking for an alloy bell housing for my Spit. As long as the > engine and trans are out, it clearly wants a lighter bell housing. Does > anyone have a stack of these from which they can spare one for a > drastically overweight Spitfire? > > Scott B. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 15:36:44 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: Message-ID: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> The Summit cell is not FIA-FT3 rated and SCCA and others won't accept it. Fuel Safe now owns ATL as well. I went with the Fuelsafe Sportsman - the soft bladder is safer, even if it is more expensive, and ov course the aluminum box to keep weight down. It pays to shop around to different distributors - I found a local circle track guy who ordered the one I wanted for about $75 less than the major distributors wanted. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul MacDonald" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then > there > are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. > > However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so > what's > wrong with it? > > > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& > N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Wed Mar 7 16:26:04 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:26:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days Message-ID: <008b01c7610f$f9ef6d10$2002a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days Spring is just around the corner, and all racers of Triumphs, and Triumph powered cars, are invited to join your fellow Triumph Racers at the VDCA's 5th Annual Wild Hare Run, held at Virginia International Raceway on April 13th through the 15th. VDCA provides a tremendous amount of track time that includes the normal two sessions per day plus a gimmick race on Friday and an Enduro on Sunday. Their entry fee is all-inclusive and for this years race weekend is $350 for VDCA members if recieved by 4/1.. In addition to the great racing on this historic, and challenging, track, Don Marshall, Dean Tetterton and Leo Oddi, will sponsor the "First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up And Race Days". This event-within-an-event will include several activities open only to Triumph Racers. They are: * A Thursday evening reception * A highly prestigious trophy for the top finishing Triumph in Friday's pursuit race, The Wild Hare Run * An "Awards and War Stories" cookout on Friday evening Now's the time to shake out the cobwebs and get ready for the 2007 season. Come and enjoy great racing and the extra perks due all racers of the marque. Check out the VDCA site for more details and your entry form. http://www.vintagedrive.com/. For any F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D specific questions, contact: Leo Oddi http://loddtr at aol.com/ Dean Tetterton Richtr at erols.com Don Marshall marshall at nefcom.com From richtr at erols.com Wed Mar 7 17:15:48 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:15:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c76116$edd87830$abc69804@Dean44> TR3A Fuel Safe 8gal Warwick GT Fuel Safe 8gal Dean Tetterton -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert M. Lang Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:31 PM To: Robert D. MacKenzie Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Hi, I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". So - how about a survey? example: Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). rml ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 17:46:09 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:46:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: <000001c76116$edd87830$abc69804@Dean44> Message-ID: <000f01c7611b$2b0927a0$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> 63 Spitfire Fuel Safe 8 gal Great install Steve Groh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean Tetterton" To: "'Robert M. Lang'" ; "'Robert D. MacKenzie'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > TR3A Fuel Safe 8gal > Warwick GT Fuel Safe 8gal > > Dean Tetterton > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Robert M. Lang > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:31 PM > To: Robert D. MacKenzie > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > > Hi, > > I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. > > I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 gallon > Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand that > vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity which is > 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". > > So - how about a survey? > > example: > > Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity > TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal > > > reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. > > At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 laps > at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or > numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress (again). > > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Wed Mar 7 19:51:05 2007 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <004601c76109$15e02700$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <45EF7A19.8010305@charter.net> Scott Janzen wrote: > The Summit cell is not FIA-FT3 rated and SCCA and others won't accept it. > Fuel Safe now owns ATL as well. I went with the Fuelsafe Sportsman - the > soft bladder is safer, even if it is more expensive, and ov course the > aluminum box to keep weight down. It pays to shop around to different > distributors - I found a local circle track guy who ordered the one I wanted > for about $75 less than the major distributors wanted. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul MacDonald" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices > > > >> When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and then >> there >> are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. >> >> However, the following cell seems to have all the prerequisites...so >> what's >> wrong with it? >> >> >> http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D290115& >> N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku >> >> Thanks >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > I bought an Fuel Safe Cell last fall from Racer Wholesale for ~$5-600. They had the best price at the time. You can check out the dimensions and prices on there website. It has a steel box and is FIA rated. It it's a nice fit for my 73 Spitfire. Glenn Franco 73 Spitfire race car 60% complete From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 7 21:17:02 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:17:02 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0314708C-7CED-4748-AA8E-F2CEA02A9D5E@bnj.com> It says plastic bladder. I don't know what that means. Usually good fuel cells have a cloth reinforced rubber bladder. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Paul MacDonald wrote: > When I look at fuel cells, a lot of them are fairly expensive and > then there > are cheap ones without bladders, shells, proper connections etc. > > However, the following cell seems to have all the > prerequisites...so what's > wrong with it? > > > http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM% > 2D290115& > N=700+4294839036+400304+4294920243+4294899021+115&autoview=sku > > Thanks > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 7 21:14:30 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:14:30 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705E007C-E0DB-42A9-ACFA-BDF9F1074DB6@bnj.com> Peyote -- fuel safe- 12 gallon Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency Subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracksr. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 7, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Robert M. Lang wrote: > Hi, > > I don't have a Spitfire, so I can't help on this one. > > I'm not trying to hijack the thread, either - BUT I installed an 8 > gallon > Fuel Safe setup in my TR6 which was set up for autox. I understand > that > vintage regs require that my cell be closer to the stock capacity > which is > 12.5 gallons, more or less. That means "I get to upgrade". > > So - how about a survey? > > example: > > Car Cell Brand Cell Capacity > TR6 Fuel Safe 8 gal > > > reply to the list or me. I'll try to summarize. > > At autox speed/throttle use, I get just about 3 MPG. That's like 16 > laps > at Lime Rock. I'm sure I'd get more like 6 or 8MPG if I had 4.10 or > numerically lower gears and I actually used 4th, but I digress > (again). > > rml > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 04:13:49 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 06:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices Message-ID: I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman 15 gallon, steel, that fits in the spare-wheel area of the TR6. 15 gallons? Remember, I'm building the car for rallys as well. I chose steel rather than aluminum because in the event of a rear-ender, I believe torn aluminum sheet is sharper than steel and more likely to tear the bladder. I run 2 pickups on either side of the cell. Shane Ingate in Md _________________________________________________________________ Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18226&moid=7581 From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Mar 8 15:17:35 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:17:35 -0600 Subject: [Fot] one pair of aluminum hubs Message-ID: <200703082217.l28MHfOK443604@ns3.geneseo.net> I find that Southwick has one pair of aluminum hubs with special studs ordered by a customer who later changed his mind. The studs are 1/2" diameter and 3" long. Does anybody need a set of this configuration? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From LOddTR at aol.com Thu Mar 8 16:23:10 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:23:10 EST Subject: [Fot] TESt - Delete Message-ID: ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From timmurph at fastbytes.com Thu Mar 8 17:42:03 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 18:42:03 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices References: Message-ID: <008901c761e3$c218e3b0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> 1961 TR-4 ATL SP-112 12 Gallon 20 Gauge steel container FIA FT-3 ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHANE Ingate" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Fuel Cell Choices >I have a Fuel Safe Sportsman 15 gallon, steel, that fits > in the spare-wheel area of the TR6. > > 15 gallons? Remember, I'm building the car for > rallys as well. I chose steel rather than aluminum > because in the event of a rear-ender, I believe > torn aluminum sheet is sharper than steel and more > likely to tear the bladder. > > I run 2 pickups on either side of the cell. > > Shane Ingate in Md > > _________________________________________________________________ > Rates near 39yr lows! $430K Loan for $1,399/mo - Paying Too Much? > Calculate > new payment > http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18226&moid=7581 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 8 21:24:42 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 23:24:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Thanks! From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 01:18:55 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:18:55 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Mar 9 06:12:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:12:20 EST Subject: [Fot] Test Message-ID: Joe (G) I got your test...are we back? Joe (A) > Saw bits of stuff dribbling out of Mark's basement on some of the auotx > lists. Thought I'd try a test. > > Joe Guinan > 751 Day Drive > Fremont, NE 68025 > Home Phone - 402-727-8011 > joeg at neb.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 06:45:33 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:45:33 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bonnet & frame for sale Message-ID: <000601c76251$3634ee20$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Fellow Spitfire owners: Mk I/II Steel Bonnet, soda cleaned, ready for restoration, photos available, $250 Mk I/II Frame, very straight, great platform for Spitfire restoration, photos available, $250 Both in Annapolis, MD Steve Groh 410-322-9047 From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 9 07:01:02 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:01:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ning network In-Reply-To: References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20070309140122.3C3CB187A31@autox.team.net> Very cool. Now I have an excuse for being late to work this am... - Tony At 02:18 AM 3/9/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have >set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- >you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I >feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT >will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants >to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your >race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. > >I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed >this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure >Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency From mjb at autox.team.net Fri Mar 9 08:21:05 2007 From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:21:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: (message from Bill Babcock on Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:18:55 -1000) References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> >you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >friends, there's a forum, etc. Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local for a couple of years now. mjb. From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 10:27:21 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:27:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Ning network In-Reply-To: <20070309140117.BB44B284B7@mxfilter.bnj.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309140117.BB44B284B7@mxfilter.bnj.com> Message-ID: Yup, it's a time waster. But very useful. I've got a bunch of cool videos to upload when I have the chance, It doesn't make sense to restrict the site to active vintage racers, or even just Triumph guys, because there's no email unless set it up to deliver notifications to you, so if there's anyone you want to invite, have at it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:01 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Very cool. Now I have an excuse for being late to work this am... > > - Tony > > At 02:18 AM 3/9/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >> In my continuing effort to find every new toy on the internet I have >> set up a social network for vintage racing. It works like Myspace-- >> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >> friends, there's a forum, etc. It's at http://vracing.ning.com/ . I >> feel comfortable mentioning it here since we already know the FOT >> will be in Mark's capable hands forever, no one, including me, wants >> to change that. But this can be an interesting repository for your >> race videos, pictures of your car, your dog, your dog's car, etc. >> >> I know Tony will be all over this. Neat toy. The folks that developed >> this spent an amazing amount of money on the technology. I'm sure >> Google, Yahoo or Microsoft will own it within the year. >> >> Bill Babcock >> billb at bnj.com >> bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 10:31:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:31:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> Really! I'm as guilty as anyone else of pigeonholing the capabilities of the things I use all the time, I just think of the FOT as email. Just like I don't use my cell phone as a camera even though it is. I'll take a look at it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: >> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >> friends, there's a forum, etc. > > Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local > for a couple of years now. > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 11:19:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:19:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> <1FABD7E8-ED53-4327-9AE2-834700B3D00C@bnj.com> Message-ID: <834E9564-25E5-4A72-A60C-C99020EF5E61@bnj.com> Very cool capabilities, but a lot more intimidating. I think the way services like Myspace grow so huge is that they are extremely easy to use even if they don't have all the capability the system you put up has. Myspace has 150 million users now--that's the population of the twenty largest cities on earth combined. I love the idea of a wiki for vintage racing--could be a huge repository of information, especially the questions that get asked and answered again and again. Unfortunately all those experts would have to actually USE it. You could easily imagine all the content of Kas's books, everything anyone knows about plumbing, suspension, transmissions, special tools, alternate ways of doing things, tweaks, etc. all in one place, editable and upgradeable by everyone. But it would take a pretty dedicated group of people to make it happen. Just cutting and pasting answers from existing email would be a great start but a lot of work. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 7:31 AM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Really! I'm as guilty as anyone else of pigeonholing the capabilities > of the things I use all the time, I just think of the FOT as email. > Just like I don't use my cell phone as a camera even though it is. > I'll take a look at it. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:21 AM, Mark J. Bradakis wrote: > >>> you can create your own space, upload photos and videos, chat with >>> friends, there's a forum, etc. >> >> Folks have been able to do this at http://www.team.net/the-local >> for a couple of years now. >> >> mjb. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Fri Mar 9 11:52:27 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <000201c7627c$13fa00ac$0210a8c0@Triumph.local> Geez, Bill, if this nirvana of all things Vintage Racing actually existed, what would we all talk about? Henry Frye Sent from my Treo PDA I love the idea of a wiki for vintage racing--could be a huge repository of information, especially the questions that get asked From Don at carterdesignassociates.com Fri Mar 9 13:43:33 2007 From: Don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Message-ID: Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From spitfiresuz at 141.com Fri Mar 9 14:47:00 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Message-ID: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> I am wearing JEANS and that blew my skirt up!!!!!! Holy COW!!! I am EXTREMELY jealous! I loved his crack about Michael Schumacher retiring because he realized he was slower than him. :) Thanks for sharing, Don! Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Don Carter Don at carterdesignassociates.com Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE From walt at hot-tr6.com Fri Mar 9 15:00:42 2007 From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:00:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Transportation needed Message-ID: <20070309220118.DEFC4187A9F@autox.team.net> I could use some help in transporting a 1.5 liter Spitfire longblock from the San Diego, Calif area to Albuquerque, NM I will gladly pay gas money etc. for this assistance. As Always, Thanks, Walt Hollowell From tlizzard at msn.com Fri Mar 9 15:40:18 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times the retail price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to develop that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I know in the German government. It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the world under their umbrella. My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... Terry Stetler. ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Carter To: Friends of Triumph Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 15:49:36 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:49:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: <001501c7629d$3740f560$6501a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> I'm with you Terry - I've owned a Ferrari, and it was the best car I've ever owned, and oh-so-beautiful, too. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Stetler" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Don Carter" Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times the > retail > price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to develop > that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I know > in > the German government. > > It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the world > under > their umbrella. > > My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? > > Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... > > > Terry Stetler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Carter > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > om>> > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run > ... > > > > > ://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed>> > > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed> > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > > tp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redi> > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > .com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Fri Mar 9 18:04:36 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:04:36 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you >have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), >figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and >found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The >manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one >of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will >offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the >ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Scott I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From mwpruitt at comcast.net Fri Mar 9 18:57:48 2007 From: mwpruitt at comcast.net (Mark Pruitt) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c762b7$8788dfa0$6700a8c0@dellp4> That blew my hair back.... But wait, I don't have any hair! :-) That was awesome! Mark -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Carter Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:44 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 9 20:24:13 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:24:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Ultimate Simulator Message-ID: Here is a cross-post from another list http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Fom_Bx9pX0 Paul From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:07:31 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:07:31 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <158BDF5D-DBEA-4B8C-9C70-37FA6498DD5D@bnj.com> Diane recently bought a used Bentley Continental Flying Spur (or maybe that was pre-owned). It clearly demonstrates that Volkswagen is into making statements. 195 MPH with a four door sedan. It is a wonderful car, she'll probably own it the rest of her life. Did anybody read that great article recently about Phil Hill and the car his aunt had when he was a kid. He restored it and won at Pebble with it ages ago. I hear that Phil isn't doing so well. great guys like that you just want them to be around forever. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Terry Stetler wrote: > Volkswagen, the owners of Bugatti, looses anywhere up to five times > the retail > price per car, on each one sold. It was so insanely expensive to > develop > that the costs will never be amortized, or so I'm told by someone I > know in > the German government. > > It's an ego thing for VW to have the fastest production car in the > world under > their umbrella. > > My only question is: Why does it have to be so ugly? > > Buy a Ferrari, pocket the difference and drive a beautiful car... > > > Terry Stetler. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Carter > To: Friends of Triumph > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:43 PM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > es.c > om>> > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed > run > ... > > > > speed ://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed>> > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top- > speed www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed> > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's > free > from AOL at > aol?redi tp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redi> > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > www.incredimail > .com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9>> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:02:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:02:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster In-Reply-To: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> References: <380-2200735921470578@M2W031.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Wow. I'd like to do that please. The most interesting part was how composed the car was. At near 200 MPH if you just lift the throttle suddenly you can spin. Jay Leno did it. Clearly the engineering in the car prevents that. Probaly mostly flying on the computer. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 11:47 AM, spitfiresuz at 141.com wrote: > I am wearing JEANS and that blew my skirt up!!!!!! > > Holy COW!!! I am EXTREMELY jealous! > > I loved his crack about Michael Schumacher retiring because he > realized he > was slower than him. :) > > Thanks for sharing, Don! > > Susan :) > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Don Carter Don at carterdesignassociates.com > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0600 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. > > > Don W. Carter, AIA > Carter Design Associates > 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 > Houston, Texas 77057 > (713) 529-2288 Telephone > (713) 789-2330 Fax > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster > > > > > Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! > > > > Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run > ... > > > > speed> > http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed > > > > A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... > > > > But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower > > and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at > redi > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> AOL.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web LIVE  Free email based on Microsoft. Exchange technology - > http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 9 23:10:04 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:10:04 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <6C313C94-5053-4AB3-B767-CDF507027244@bnj.com> I used my fairly ordinary press to do it with many hubs. the trick is (as always with tapered fit devices) put a lot of oomph on it and then strike it smartly on the side of the joint. Watch your toes and shins. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 9, 2007, at 3:04 PM, J.C. Hassall wrote: > At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >> Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure >> many of you >> have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 >> TR4 (#445), >> figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear >> drums and >> found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear >> seals. The >> manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 >> come with one >> of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >> Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels >> that will >> offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to >> replace the >> ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. > Scott > > I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I > took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) > suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs > were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave > up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 > bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. > > hth > > jim > -- > Jim Hassall > Blacksburg VA > jhassall at blacksburg.net > '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sat Mar 10 07:29:21 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BA@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> That has to be the singularly most exciting clip I have ever seen. My adrenaline is up. I do however have to respectfully rebutt the ugly statement. I thought it was very cool looking but hey, I drive a TR3... I want that guys job!!! M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Don Carter Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 3:43 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] FW: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Thought the entire list might like to see this test of top speed. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com Subject: Bugatti Veyron Roadster Baby, it this don't blow your skirt up you're done for! Follow this link to a video clip of the Bugatti Veyron top-speed run ... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x157l2_bugatti-veyron-at-top-speed A hundred years ago this would not even be a dream ... But 16 cylinders, 4 turbochargers, 1000 horsepower and $1,000,000+ can do it for you ...! _____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sat Mar 10 09:04:02 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:04:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Looking up Russ Moore in upstate NY References: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BA@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243BC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Joe referred me to you; "is in Brooktondale and is on the list...mostly lurking". I drive through Brooktondale when I take the long way home from work. Heard you may be able to help me with an issue. Thanks, Mark ________________________________ From dave at microworks.net Sat Mar 10 14:45:00 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:45:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumphest 2007 Message-ID: <20070310215250.SOCB3546.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Anyone on the list planning or thinking about attending Triumphest this Fall? http://www.triumphest.com Of course my personal favorite of the Photos in the Gallery from the last Triumphest that DCTRA hosted has to be (I have the original cropped and blown up to 36" x 19" and hanging in my garage: http://www.triumphest.com/?page_id=11&path=TFest2002/Nuss/disk1&f=MVC-019S.JPG From LOddTR at aol.com Sat Mar 10 16:03:43 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:03:43 EST Subject: [Fot] Please add the Google group to your "send to" list Message-ID: A number of FOT'ers have not been able to receive mail through the team.net server. Google groups is working fine so please add that address if you originate a message and hit "reply to all" if responding. That will help those of us in withdrawal to get our fix. _FOT- at Googlegroups.com_ (FOT- at Googlegroups.com) Leo Oddi


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Sat Mar 10 18:40:23 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:40:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal Message-ID: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very limited after the taper releases. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino , California TR-6 Comm # 55432L --------------------------------- Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. From billsohl at optonline.net Mon Mar 5 12:04:04 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 14:04:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New email address - FOTer Bill Sohl In-Reply-To: References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <878372C8595B41DCB2684F9F412609F7@SohlPC> FYI to all, especially MKB... New email address for Bill Sohl is: billsohl at optonline.net Old domain was mindspring.com Thanks, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" Cc: Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] test > Looks like we're back in biz. congratulations Mark. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > Subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour -- touring and racing classic North American > tracks in a custom Airstream trailer. > Ponohouse -- living and playing in Maui. > > Via RSS > Ponohouse > AllAluminumTour > > > > > > On Mar 4, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > >> test >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 11 07:18:15 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:18:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F40197.80007@pobox.com> Jim, That sounds like a useful fixture. I wish you would put a picture up somewhere, so I could see what it looks like. Speaking of hub removal. Check out the bidding on ebay item 13008552474. I think I'd rather make a fixture and use a press. Larry Young Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. > > According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. > > The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely > engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. > > If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very limited after the taper releases. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino , California > TR-6 Comm # 55432L > > > > >--------------------------------- >Finding fabulous fares is fun. >Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Mar 11 07:19:45 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:19:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45F401F1.40105@pobox.com> Oops, that was ebay item 130085524743. From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Mar 6 20:58:31 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:58:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882084FE48F@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <000201c7606c$dfc73f60$1a22b348@blake1> Thanks guys. So if I want something to be posted I cc fot at autox.team.net? -----Original Message----- From: Kramer, Robert [mailto:RKramer at rdoequipment.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:47 AM To: Larry Young; John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Nomination Larry, Shame on me for not getting Greg on the list. He is in my local club and the 2 of us built his differential not that long ago. He lives in Lakeway, not that far from me. Have you checked the CVAR Group lately? Some guys have been wondering about how you are doing, me included. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: ablake2 at austin.rr.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 10 23:16:25 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:16:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Personally I like the big bang method. I've never failed to disassemble a hub, but you do have to watch your toes. I don't have no stinking tool, just a press and a BFH (big .. hammer) Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the > dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 > when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for > disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset > when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly > servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub > axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department > could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and > that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to > take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall > how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take > the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my > professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. > > According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff > enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting > flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the > shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade > fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he > machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership > broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was > thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his > fixture slightly. > > The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat > and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness > the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of > 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the > middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to > accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the > flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top > plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates > that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After > all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel > mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top > plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four > 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws > onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press > force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it > completely > engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The > mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the > wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating > shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. > > If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble > TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make > arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local > automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun > watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped > up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to > the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little > heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets > go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly > out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very > limited after the taper releases. > > Jim Prettyleaf > Cupertino , California > TR-6 Comm # 55432L > > > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find > flight and hotel bargains. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From richtr at erols.com Wed Mar 7 15:38:26 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:38:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <001301c71d91$2a1b63d0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804@Dean44> Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk about oil and the loss of Zinc. As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet motors. There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in racing oil. Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com If you can't find it available in your area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. Dean T. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Solow Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:00 PM To: Jack W. Drews; Mark J. Bradakis; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil The information that we have obtained from Phillips/Coneco, the new owner/s of the Kendall Brand. The formulation of all Kendall oils were changed about 2 or 3 years ago. The only oil that was not changed was the 70 sae drag racing oil. All of the other GT-1 oils which had previously been real "race oils" were reformulated to conform the the specs for street oils which will not harm cat converters! According to the information that we have obtained, the oils that are available with the extreme pressure additives still in them are formulated for passenger car Diesel engines. There are 3 oils that have HD zinc and phospheros packages. They are Chevron Delo 100 oils, Mobil Delvac 1, and Shell Rotella T. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Mark J. Bradakis" ; Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > My understanding from my favorite oil industry executive is that > "all" major brands are formulated to meet the newest API standard > which is SM. That is the standard that took all those goodies out of the > oil. > > Want a low cost oil that is still made to the previous standard? > > Kendall GT-1 High Performance motor oil, available from your local > parts pimp but not from the Walmarts of the world. It's dirt cheap > compared to the Red Lines, etc. It meets API SL, SJ, and SH, but not > SM. I used it last season in a newly built engine and after running a > whole season on the same sump-full, disassembly showed the parts > still looking like new. > > You can get it in straight single-weights or in dual spec. I use > 20W-50. I pay $28 a case. All circle track racers in my area use it. > > Take a look at Amsoil's site, > > http://mcgeerf.tripod.com/americansyntheticoil/id17.html > > and look at the zinc content of all the oils. Kendall is the highest. > Now, the caveat: I don't know when the Amsoil data was prepared -- > wen I check the Kendall site and look at GT1, it says it meets the SM > spec. But sitting on my desk is a jug of Kendall GT-1 High Prformance > oil and the label says SL, SJ, SH. i hope they haven't changed it > over the winter. > > >>From: "BOB KRAMER" >>To: "FOT List" >>Subject: OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS >>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:04:57 -0600 >> >> >>This was posted on the some British Car web forums and based on the >>feedback >>it is not widely known apparently ----- >> >>OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS!!!!! >> >>By: Keith Ansell, Foreign Parts Positively, Inc. >> >>About a year ago I read about the reduction of zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP) >>in the oils supplied with API approval that could affect sliding and high >>pressure (EP) friction in our cars. The reduction of these chemicals in >>supplied oil was based on the fact that zinc, manganese and/or phosphates >>reduce the effectiveness and eventually damage catalytic converters and >>introduce minute amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere. > > ................snip....................... > >>Bob Kramer >>rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> >> >>=== Help keep Team.Net on the air >>=== http://www.team.net/donate.html > > uncle jack > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Fri Mar 9 21:37:14 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:37:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070309195835.01dab650@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <20070310043714.896.qmail@web51105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Jim, I also noticed that the responses were off the topic, and am wondering if others have similar experiences as ours. I already e-mailed the following response directly to Scott. When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. According to the local expert the factory Churchill tool is not stiff enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his fixture slightly. The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it completely engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. Now all you need is a strong enough hydraulic press. Do not use a 20 ton press, because if no heat is applied to the wheel mounting flange the taper will not separate until roughly 22 tons of force is applied. When a little bit of heat is applied to the flange with an acetylene torch I have seen flanges separate from the axles with only 18 tons of press force. Again I do not recommend using a 20 ton press because this is too close to the maximum capacity and things like the press frame and the bridge begin to noticeably bend. If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly out of the press and everything is designed so that the travel is very limited after the taper releases. Jim Prettyleaf Cupertino, California TR-6 Comm # 55432L "J.C. Hassall" wrote: At 11:24 PM 3/8/2007, Scott Janzen wrote: >Sorry to bomb the list with a non-racing question, but I'm sure many of you >have a quick answer to this. I just bought a nice original '61 TR4 (#445), >figured I'd rebuild the brakes before running it, pulled the rear drums and >found everything soaked with axle lube - need to change the rear seals. The >manual refers to puller # M86A (doesn't every well equipped TR4 come with one >of these - hah!) so I'm looking for a source or substitute. >Also looking for a tire compatible with the car and wire wheels that will >offer performance without overstressing the stock suspension to replace the >ancient 165 SR 15s on the car. Scott I haven't seen any on-topic responses, so I'll give it a shot. I took mine to a shop that rebuilds heavy duty (think dump trucks, etc) suspenders, brakes, etc. They had a huge press (100T+). The hubs were will supported (very important!). When the axles finally gave up heir grip, they let go with one hell of a bang (ok, 2 bangs). Suffice it to say the special tool wouldn't have come close. hth jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. From mark at bradakis.com Mon Mar 12 13:12:29 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Another bit of progress Message-ID: <45F5A61D.9020100@bradakis.com> Finally got through to some folks at Qwest, so reverse DNS lookup for the IP address for autox.team.net should soon be working. So AOL folks, among many others, that have been getting Team.Net mail rejected due to no reverse lookup should soon be getting mail again, maybe later this afternoon or tonight, depending on how fast the name server data gets propagated out. What fun. mjb. From cak at dimebank.com Mon Mar 12 13:10:14 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> The Brad Penn oils are promising. But fear not - it appears that good old Castrol GTX 20W50 is an excellent choice for our engines, except that it has some problems with viscosity retention. Chuck Navarro at LN Engineering is taking this oil stuff very seriously. He's focused on air-cooled engines, so he has a slightly different bent, but those engines are flat-tappet engines and are having those same problems. He's been doing a lot of oil sampling and testing, and is continuing to do so as the oil makers change their formulations (seemingly daily). See http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html for his results. Check out the Penn oils ... they tested lower than expected. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Mon Mar 12 14:39:57 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:39:57 -0800 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil References: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel Mystery oil or some additive like that? I'm sorry to show my ignorance about oils and their makeup's, but I never knew it really mattered, but I'm starting to think so now. When I was hot into riding motorcycles (street only), I saw that Castrol GTX 20W50 would foam up in my oil tank after riding hard. The Triumph Bonneville is a dry sump motor and when I'd take off the lid to the oil reservoir I would find a lot of bubbles. I switched to Kendal and never had that problem again. I haven't been able to find Kendal locally for several years now and would like to use it again, in my MC (74 Triumph Trident) and TR6 racecar, if not in all my vehicles. How do we go about getting this on the West Coast? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Kantarjiev" To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > The Brad Penn oils are promising. But fear not - it appears that > good old Castrol GTX 20W50 is an excellent choice for our engines, > except that it has some problems with viscosity retention. > > Chuck Navarro at LN Engineering is taking this oil stuff very > seriously. He's focused on air-cooled engines, so he has a slightly > different bent, but those engines are flat-tappet engines and > are having those same problems. He's been doing a lot of oil > sampling and testing, and is continuing to do so as the > oil makers change their formulations (seemingly daily). > > See http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html for his results. Check > out the Penn oils ... they tested lower than expected. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr6nut at verizon.net Mon Mar 12 13:47:00 2007 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:00 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <200703121910.l2CJAEBJ012249@moose.dimebank.com> <015001c764e6$997efb00$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <45F5AE34.4050400@verizon.net> Charly Mitchel wrote: > Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to > our motors? Charly, From the linked web page http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html : > *How can I boost the level of Zn and P?* > > One way would be to use GM's Engine Oil Supplememental additive. By > our calculations, between .5 and .66 oz of GM EOS has to be added to > each quart of oil to raise the Zn and P by 100 ppm each. But be > careful, more is not always better. Too much and it will cause damage > to your catalytic convertor and possibly other emissions controls. > Although not as concentrated, STP 4-cyl Treatment (in the red bottle), > is easy to find and inexpensive, and doesn't have the viscosity > improvers (thickeners) of the blue bottled STP. > > For a Porsche 911, I recommend using 1 bottle (pint) of GM EOS with > every oil change if the oil you are using has less than the > recommended 1200-1400 ppm (0.12-0.14%) Zn and P. If the oil you want > to use has less than 1000 ppm (0.10%) Zn and P, choose a different > oil, since you will need to add too much of the GM EOS to boost this. > > For a four cylinder Porsche, 1 bottle of STP 4-cyl treatment is the > perfect amount for boosting the Zn and P in a ~4 quart fill. > Alternatively, about 1/3-1/2 of the bottle of EOS will be more than > enough. From cak at dimebank.com Mon Mar 12 13:55:56 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> > Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more compatible to > our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel Mystery > oil or some additive like that? Maybe. Red STP gets high marks, but is disappearing. There's a GM product, too, that might do the job. The question in all of these is just how much to add, and when, and if the additives will stay properly in suspension. Read the page I referenced; lots of discussion about additives there. From RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu Mon Mar 12 14:14:42 2007 From: RJunkermeier at wyotech.edu (Richard Junkermeier) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:14:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi The oil additive that will put the zinc and phosporus back in the oil is BG chemicals MOA additive its all zinc and phosporus Rick J From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 14:14:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:14:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil In-Reply-To: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200703121955.l2CJtum9022151@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: After having seen operating motors with windows into the crankcase at a SEMA show many years ago I'd be surprised if any additive had problems staying in suspension in a wet sump motor--it's like a tornado in there. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: >> Isn't there something we can add to our oil to make it more >> compatible to >> our motors? Something like Lucas, Power Punch, Hyperlube, Marvel >> Mystery >> oil or some additive like that? > > Maybe. Red STP gets high marks, but is disappearing. There's a GM > product, too, that might do the job. The question in all of these > is just how much to add, and when, and if the additives will stay > properly in suspension. > > Read the page I referenced; lots of discussion about additives there. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Mar 12 14:33:58 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:33:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: FOT: I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT Event in July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This would make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at BeaverRun and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA is a great place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that is somewhat under rated. Opinions are invited, loudly and often. This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is slated for the East Coast in 2008. This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with high cost and little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. Best Regards, Joe Alexander From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 14:36:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:36:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A3B5B10-BC29-4DEC-B09E-A0449B5D7266@bnj.com> The All Aluminum tour will be there, assuming they can stomach Peyote leaking gently onto their nice lawn. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > FOT: > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT > Event in > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This > would > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first > at BeaverRun > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA > is a great > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that > is somewhat > under rated. > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is > slated for > the East Coast in 2008. > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with > high cost and > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 15:54:50 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:54:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? References: Message-ID: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I am planning on being at Beaverun with my GT6. Don't think it will be allowed at Schenley. VRG is co-sponsoring Beaverun and they typically run a very laid back, lots of track time weekend. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > FOT: > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT Event in > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This would > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at > BeaverRun > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA is a > great > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that is > somewhat > under rated. > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is slated > for > the East Coast in 2008. > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with high cost > and > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > Best Regards, > > Joe Alexander > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 12 17:00:28 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:00:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Great Resource References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> In browsing for information I found this site with tons of great information. Got about half way through it and realized a lot of it is FOT notes including Kas notes mentioning repreat responses and wishing someone would write this stuff down. Here it is... http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/Net.htm I particularly enjoyed this note 50's & 60's racing vs vintage racing, Kas rememberances. It sparked a memory of driving with my father as a child and asking him why we don't go to the race track any more. He responded whistfully over the roar of the side curtains - "We used to just drive our cars to the track and have lots and lots of fun. Then people starting spending lots of money on their cars and bringing them on trailers. Some of us eventually couldn't keep up; it wasn't as much fun any more..." Made me wonder if I could have much fun with a die grinder and D cam on pump gas. Is there a venue in Vintage Racing for those not interested in metelurgy of flywheel bolts? I miss the Bay Area Shelby club track days where you could find a few cars to play tag with and then drive home. I had hoped Vintage racing would be a little like that (perhaps with a trailer) but reading what some folks are doing to their cars (250 hp TR6???) - quite intimidating... M From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 12 17:02:24 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:02:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very informative. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 12 18:01:28 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:01:28 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that film? Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very informative. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 12 18:11:27 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:11:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? At 05:01 PM 3/12/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that film? > >Joe C. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of Kas Kastner >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM > Subject: Fwd: Global Warming > > > > > When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production > > that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the > > background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British > > Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. > > > > I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media > > paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel > > with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- > > founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. > > > > If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but very >informative. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 12 18:26:42 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:26:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out that it was true, you are screwed. On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Mar 12 18:31:05 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:31:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: Hi Guys! Many thanx to Mark for getting us back online and another one to Bill for keeping us going in the interim. Heroes both. I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis for a race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the dipstick hole in the cover. Both have the vents cast intothe side of the case. I'll be buying the close ratio set from Ken G., Anybody know the tricks to make these stout boxes better...and lighter? Steve ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Mon Mar 12 19:25:01 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers References: Message-ID: <004801c7650e$6d7b1980$4b8cb304@Bud> Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of Sympathy for Captain Marvel Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:31 PM Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers > Hi Guys! > Many thanx to Mark for getting us back online and another one to Bill for > keeping us going in the interim. Heroes both. > > I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that > sound > right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis > for a > race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the > dipstick > hole in the cover. Both have the vents cast intothe side of the case. > I'll be buying the close ratio set from Ken G., Anybody know the tricks to > make these stout boxes better...and lighter? > Steve > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to > everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Mon Mar 12 19:29:29 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:29:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: Well, I think you mean Captain America at Marvel comics. I agree with your observation and really have to wonder about such a thing. Granted, I haven't read Marvel comics since about 1964 but when I saw the announcement I wondered what kind of mindset was working there these days. If it can only last 40 more years....... > > > Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global > that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of > Sympathy for Captain Marvel > Racer Bud > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Mon Mar 12 19:34:19 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers References: Message-ID: <006801c7650f$b99987b0$4b8cb304@Bud> Whoops I did mean Capt. America...and....When DC comics killed Superman..then... thru 7 special issues brought him back(I think it was about 1989) It was great fun, a great mental escape,and good for business, Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Gt6steve at aol.com To: budscars at msn.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Well, I think you mean Captain America at Marvel comics. I agree with your observation and really have to wonder about such a thing. Granted, I haven't read Marvel comics since about 1964 but when I saw the announcement I wondered what kind of mindset was working there these days. If it can only last 40 more years....... Frankly...It's fine to discuss cars....and global this and global that....BUTI am Shocked to have not heard one....not ONE.... note of Sympathy for Captain Marvel Racer Bud ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:08:45 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:08:45 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 7:31:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? CT would be a TR4 gearbox...which shouldn't have the dipstick. Perhaps someone did some parts swapping with an early or mid-TR3 box for some reason? Sorry, but that's the only question I can even begin to answer.... ;-) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Herald948 at aol.com Mon Mar 12 20:10:35 2007 From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:10:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR transmission numbers -- OOPS! Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 7:31:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Gt6steve at aol.com writes: I've got a TR gearbox with a serial number starting with CT. Does that sound right to anybody? If so, what did it come from and is it a sound basis for a race box? I've also one that must be very early as it still has the dipstick hole in the cover. ==AM== Sorry; I think I misread your message originally. You have more than one gearbox, right? Again, CT is TR4. What number is the one with the dipstick? Don't know if you'd really want that gearbox, since (assuming it's all original) it would have a non-synchro first gear. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 12 20:47:05 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:47:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer><20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <01a201c76519$e34dc120$690fc548@RWKastner> I totally disagree with your remark about the oil companies, but I cannot but agree with your second thought. Why not!! The only thing is that our tax money is being spent on totally useless endeavors and investigation that could well be spent on something that might help. (that is a long tape Joe, but there are some very interesting areas that need listening to) Enough. NOW, BACK TO TRIUMPH CARS. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry To: 'Dave Riddle' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out that it was true, you are screwed. On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Riddle Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle ranches there are on Mars? _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:50:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:50:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <008b01c764f1$0f48e580$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone, you are right, I didn't look at the date. I'm going to be there THIS year if they let me. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:54 AM, Scott Janzen wrote: > I am planning on being at Beaverun with my GT6. Don't think it > will be > allowed at Schenley. VRG is co-sponsoring Beaverun and they > typically run a > very laid back, lots of track time weekend. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > > >> FOT: >> >> I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT >> Event in >> July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: >> >> I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. >> This would >> make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first at >> BeaverRun >> and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA >> is a >> great >> place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location >> that is >> somewhat >> under rated. >> >> Opinions are invited, loudly and often. >> >> This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is >> slated >> for >> the East Coast in 2008. >> >> This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with >> high cost >> and >> little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Joe Alexander >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:52:25 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:52:25 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Great Resource In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> References: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243C4@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: Yup, the honorable TeriAnn Wakeman, FOTer extraordinaire. Haven't heard much from TeriAnn lately. What cho been up to kid? Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Mark Eginton wrote: > In browsing for information I found this site with tons of great > information. > Got about half way through it and realized a lot of it is FOT notes > including > Kas notes mentioning repreat responses and wishing someone would > write this > stuff down. Here it is... > http://www.tjwakeman.net/TR/Net.htm > > I particularly enjoyed this note 50's & 60's racing vs vintage > racing, Kas > rememberances. It sparked a memory of driving with my father as a > child and > asking him why we don't go to the race track any more. He responded > whistfully over the roar of the side curtains - "We used to just > drive our > cars to the track and have lots and lots of fun. Then people starting > spending lots of money on their cars and bringing them on trailers. > Some of > us eventually couldn't keep up; it wasn't as much fun any more..." > > Made me wonder if I could have much fun with a die grinder and D > cam on pump > gas. Is there a venue in Vintage Racing for those not interested in > metelurgy > of flywheel bolts? I miss the Bay Area Shelby club track days where > you could > find a few cars to play tag with and then drive home. I had hoped > Vintage > racing would be a little like that (perhaps with a trailer) but > reading what > some folks are doing to their cars (250 hp TR6???) - quite > intimidating... > > M > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 21:54:14 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:54:14 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <554EED25-63F4-429A-B07C-60411ACA8155@bnj.com> I firmly believe that Bovine flatulence is a right wing conspiracy. And actually, it's way worse than CO2, it's methane. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Dave Riddle wrote: > As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is > what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the > Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. > > The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and > generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that > planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in > comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle > ranches there are on Mars? > > At 05:01 PM 3/12/2007, Joe Curry wrote: >> I wonder which Oil companies contributed to the production of that >> film? >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- >> bounces at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Kas Kastner >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:02 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming >> >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:44 PM >> Subject: Fwd: Global Warming >> >> >> >>> When I first saw this, I thought it was a wacko right production >>> that was to answer Al Gore's caca But as it was playing in the >>> background, I became more and more intrigued. It is a British >>> Channel 4 production that is staggering in it's opinions. >>> >>> I love the concept that it puts forth, that the left and the media >>> paint you as the equivalent of a Holocaust denier if you quarrel >>> with global warming. In fact, if I remember correctly, a co- >>> founder of Greenpeace makes that statement. >>> >>> If you have the time, watch this, it's remarkable.It is long but >>> very >> informative. >>> >>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9005566792811497638&hl=en >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 12 22:10:00 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:10:00 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net><771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net><010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner><000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up getting screwed. To really change the huge things that might currently impact the environment and might impact it in the future will require enormous expenditure of resources, and control (probably repression) of economic and social changes in the third world. When ten percent of chinese have cars, might that be important? Will india stop installing diesel generators throughout their country? Who's going to make them stop. We can't get the Japanese to stop killing whales and dolphins, or the russians to stop spewing freon--how are these changes going to happen. Does the USA act alone and just sacrifice our economy on the alter of "maybe". And would you really appreciate the consequences. I'm fully aware that there are simple things that can be done. Fine, do them and feel good. I do. but I don't really expect them to be significant. Personally, I don't know whether or not mankind contributes significantly to climate change. I do know that turning the entire inquiry into left vs. right, greens vs. big oil, whoever vs. whatever means that it's going to be very hard to figure out what's real and what should be done. Al Gore did the environment no favors. He's just another politician. And politicians are just like marketers--they lie. (So tell me Bill, how did you make your money?) Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive marketing agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that > it is > caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it > turns out > that it was true, you are screwed. > > On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to > minimize it even > if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our > efforts. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Dave Riddle > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 5:11 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Global Warming > > As a tagline in my Uncle's email signature block says: "Climate is > what you expect, Weather is what you get." BTW, he is the > Climatologist for the Scripps Institute of Oceanography in San Diego. > > The better question is how many SUV's are burning "fossil fuels" and > generating CO2 up on Mars to account for the "warming" on that > planet. Or since the UN says that car production of CO2 pales in > comparison to that produced by cows I wonder how many working cattle > ranches there are on Mars? > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 12 22:32:58 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:32:58 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 roll bar or roll cage In-Reply-To: <01a201c76519$e34dc120$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000001c76528$ad7e47e0$1a22b348@blake1> At what point do you consider roll over protection a roll cage vs a roll bar. As an example, if I were to use a single main hoop full width, rearward braces on each leg of the main hoop, a diagonal brace for the main hoop, an under-dash front hoop, and a forward diagonal from the main hoop to the base of the front hoop. Would this qualify as a Roll Cage in Appendix Z? Appendix Z seems to require the front hoop to be above the steering wheel, doesn't it? My preference is to stay under the scuttle which brings me back to classifying this as a roll bar with 1.75" x 0.120 DOM??? Can I call this a roll cage and use 1.5" x 0.095? Are there any rule changes in the wind I should be aware of before going down this path? Can you use smaller tubing for the secondary members? I would like to make the forward diagonal brace removable so I can have a passenger in the car on non race weekends. Does anyone have a good sketch or picture of the double lug design referred to or a good alternate? I have seen some rather pricy tubing benders on the market, anyone thought of a homemade bender for the occasional user? My plan is to drive with CVAR. TR3 guys, if you have pictures of your protection, I would love to see them. Thanks, Greg From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 12 22:44:14 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:44:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting Message-ID: <000101c7652a$40e7bfb0$1a22b348@blake1> I posted this question to the British car forum and really did not get many takers this is my TR3. I have the body off the frame to finish up the body and paint work. When I go to reassembly the body to the frame I was planning on replacing all the body mounting rubbers with new. Do any of you delete the rubber to have a more solid connection between the body and the frame? What are the disadvantages other than noise? Since I plan on using some of my original mounting points as roll cage pick up points, I don't think I should be using the rubber pads in these areas. If that is the case, is there any reason to use them anywhere else? Thanks, Greg From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Mar 12 23:05:10 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:05:10 EDT Subject: [Fot] oils Message-ID: In a message dated 3/12/2007 11:33:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > From: "Dean Tetterton" > Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > To: "'Friends of Triumph'" , "'Jack W. Drews'" > > Cc: GCKINNEY at aol.com > Message-ID: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804 at Dean44> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk > about oil and the loss of Zinc. > > As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold > to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec > SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet > motors. > > There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall > refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad > Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and > phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in > racing oil. > > Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com > If you can't find it available in your > area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the > Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only > reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change > it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. > > Dean T. Hi Dean, I could not agree me, I am really fed up that Valvoline Synpower, 20W/50, my oil of choice has become SM, that leaves me very little choice as far as a high quality 20W/50 is concerned. Our standard engines already have quite enough to contend with, flexible cranks, EN16T conrods, lack of decent bearing materials, the usual thrust washer problem areas as well as flat tappets and the usual rocker shaft lube problems etc. Not to mention some of the less than wonderful reproduction stuff out there! Has anyone got any thoughts about using the Amsoil 20W/50 synthetic oil? It's specs look pretty good, so far as I can see. Best Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From awashatko at wi.rr.com Tue Mar 13 07:35:38 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:35:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] tranny case locating dowels on at TR6 In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820855F713@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: Bob, The tophat bushing in the TR6 transmission is a weak spot along with the retainer clip between the lay and reverse shafts. Also, the roller bearings will soon wear away at the lay shaft under race conditions where lots of H.P. is being transfered. Solution: Contact John Esposito at Quantume Mechanics (203) 459-9612. He has re-engineered the top hat bushing in steel with better oil passageways that should solve your problem. He also makes a solid bronze bushing for the lay shaft. Please mention my name to John if you talk to him. Thanks and... Good luck. Allen On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:01 PM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I am about to rebuild a tranny again out of a TR6 that has had chronic > tophat bush issues. The clutch works fine in reverse, first and forth > but don't dare try and downshift to second. That's a pretty common > problem, but one I've never had on the many trannies I have rebuilt in > any other car. I swapped the original problematic one for another that > I > rebuilt and it quickly broke the tophat bush too. When I removed it > last > night I noticed that the locating dowels are missing. I have heard that > this causes ckutch problems. Does it also cause this type of tranny > issue? > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Tue Mar 13 08:03:47 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:03:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting References: <000101c7652a$40e7bfb0$1a22b348@blake1> Message-ID: <004a01c76578$6c690010$1123394a@Elliott> Those rubber pads are needed to adjust the door and bonnet gaps and to set the body straight if it doesn`t sit perfectly on the chassis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg & Alison Blake" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 12:44 AM Subject: [Fot] TR3 Body mounting >I posted this question to the British car forum and really did not get > many takers this is my TR3. > > > I have the body off the frame to finish up the body and paint work. When > I go to reassembly the body to the frame I was planning on replacing all > the body mounting rubbers with new. Do any of you delete the rubber to > have a more solid connection between the body and the frame? What are > the disadvantages other than noise? Since I plan on using some of my > original mounting points as roll cage pick up points, I don't think I > should be using the rubber pads in these areas. If that is the case, is > there any reason to use them anywhere else? > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Mar 13 08:26:18 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:26:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming Message-ID: In a message dated 03/12/2007 11:00:09 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > The problem with trying to deny that global warming exists or that it is > caused by mankind is that if you don't do anything about it and it turns out > that it was true, you are screwed. > > On the other hand there is no downside to doing our best to minimize it even > if it does turn out to be wrong. We end up no worse off for our efforts. > > Amici... The other day someone told me that we are all on this earth to obtain eternal salvation, and anything that speeds it up, can't be all bad. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From dave at microworks.net Tue Mar 13 09:10:17 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (Dave Riddle) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:10:17 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> At 09:10 PM 3/12/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords >and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic >warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up getting screwed. We always send nitwits. Another lifetime ago (17 years - hard to believe) I was doing work for one of Uncle Sam's three-lettered Agency's in a Country that shall remain nameless (would not be to difficult to discover). I had been in country for just over a year this particular trip laboring away in private sector positions (magazine editor/contributor, radio show host, US company quality control inspection rep, etc...) when I managed to obtain employment within the Host country's government. In fact I was working within their version of a State Department. Not only that I was employed within the office that dealt with US 301 trade issues. Nominally I was charged with attending trade conferences on their behalf to listen to the US side and prepare reports as to what the US position really was in general and some items in particular. US Trade missions to these conferences/meetings are a conglomeration of Bureaucrats (State, Commerce, etc...) and representatives of US companies with a particular interest in the current round of talks (aviation, agriculture, etc...). For the Host Country's side I was able to obtain a significant amount of intel for them during the "Continental Breakfast" before sitting down at the conference table. The US attendees would see me bellying up to the pastry bar with them and since I had a "white-face" they assumed I must be part of their delegation. I overheard lots of good information for my reports to the Host. Obviously similar reports and much more were going out the backdoor to Uncle. For the most part US attendees at these conferences seemed to be caught up in the moment of being overseas and wanting to get away from the stale boardroom setting to get some shopping down or sample some of the local delights. They didn't seem particular focused. I can assure you the other side was focused 100% on a successful outcome to these meetings. The reason I am no longer doing this type of work is that my Agency case officer blew my position through his sloppy procedures. We (my wife and I) hightailed it back home before I got a knock at the door to become a "quest" rather then a visitor. She had just become pregnant with our first child so the excuse was that we were moving back to the states for the baby. She only found out the truth this last fall when I was yelling at the TV when some no nothing reporter/reportettte was going on about Plame being "undercover" and my kids how asked me how I knew that Plame wasn't undercover and therefore no law had been broken. Since it had been 16/17 yars I figured what the hell and told them. Still have an old briefcase full of documents that worked their way out the backdoor. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 06:41:03 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:41:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal References: <20070311014023.72256.qmail@web51103.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001001c764a3$b28fbdc0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Thanks to those observant individuals who pointed out that differential lube everywhere was probably due to failed leather axle tube seals, not to the outer bearing seal being bad, and that I could avoid all the mega-force solutions needed to take the hub apart by just pulling the axle and replacing the seal. I did pose the question about disassembling the hub, but a few of you noticed that I may have been asking the wrong question. The outer bearing seal retained a few ounces of wd-40 last night with the axle standing on its end, so I'm going to assume it's good and try the axle tube/low effort approach first. Thanks for all the feedback. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Jim Prettyleaf" Cc: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Rear Hub Removal > Personally I like the big bang method. I've never failed to > disassemble a hub, but you do have to watch your toes. I don't have > no stinking tool, just a press and a BFH (big .. hammer) > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 10, 2007, at 3:40 PM, Jim Prettyleaf wrote: > >> When British Leyland dealers were still around one of the >> dealerships broke the end off of one of the stub axles for my TR-6 >> when attempting to use the factory approved tool recommended for >> disassembling the rear hubs. As you can guess I was rather upset >> when the Triumph dealer told me that it was my fault for improperly >> servicing the car and that I would need to pay for the new stub >> axle. My opinion was that the dumb-bells in his service department >> could not decide when to give up and look for a better method, and >> that the dealer should buy the new axle if I could find a way to >> take them apart. This all happened so long ago that I can't recall >> how I was finally referred to the local expert who knew how to take >> the TR-6 hubs apart without breaking them; perhaps it was one of my >> professors at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo who knew this Guru. >> >> According to the local expert the factory tool is not stiff >> enough, flexes under pressure, and deflects the wheel mounting >> flange, which then tightens the grip between the flange and the >> shallow taper on the axle. The Guru then showed me his homemade >> fixture which he used to disassembled the undamaged hub, then he >> machined off the fractured shard of the axle the Triumph dealership >> broke and used a drift to push out the broken axle. I was >> thoroughly impressed and subsequently copied and improved his >> fixture slightly. >> >> The trick is to hold the wheel mounting flange so that it is flat >> and cannot deflect when applying the force. To provide stiffness >> the top plate of the fixture is made from an 8" square piece of >> 3/4" thick steel plate and a 2 and 5/8" hole is bored in the >> middle. The top plate of the fixture is also drilled to >> accommodate the four by 4.5 bolt circle of the studs in the >> flange. To make sure it cant bend and tighten the taper the top >> plate is attached to four 3/8 thick by 2 deep rectangular plates >> that are welded underneath the four edges of the top plate. After >> all of the welding is completed the surface that mates to the wheel >> mounting flange is machined flat using a milling machine. The top >> plate does not bend because to do so it would need to stretch four >> 3/8 thick by 2 deep steel plates. A steel mandrel that screws >> onto the threaded end of the stub axle is used to apply the press >> force. The mandrel is made with a deep threaded hole so that it >> completely >> engages and covers all of the threads on the stub axle. The >> mandrel also has a shoulder that protrudes past the surface of the >> wheel mounting flange and applies force directly to the mating >> shoulder on the axle just past the point where the threads end. >> >> If anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area wants to disassemble >> TR-4, TR-250 or TR-6 axles just let me know and and we can make >> arrangements to take your axles and my fixture to a local >> automotive machine shop that has a 40 ton press. It is great fun >> watching the guys that work there cringe when the press is pumped >> up to 18 tons of force and the small amount of heat is applied to >> the flange. Even when the force is minimized by applying a little >> heat it still makes a very satisfying big bang when the taper lets >> go. By the way the mandrel is constructed so that parts cannot fly >> out of the press and everything is designed so that travel is very >> limited after the taper releases. >> >> Jim Prettyleaf >> Cupertino , California >> TR-6 Comm # 55432L >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Finding fabulous fares is fun. >> Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find >> flight and hotel bargains. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr250racer at verizon.net Mon Mar 12 18:31:14 2007 From: tr250racer at verizon.net (tr250racer at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Message-ID: <25828964.548501173745875664.JavaMail.root@vms227.mailsrvcs.net> Dean, Put me down for a case of 10 w 30. I'll pick up at VIR next month. Leo From: Dean Tetterton Date: 2007/03/07 Wed PM 04:38:26 CST To: 'Friends of Triumph' , "'Jack W. Drews'" Cc: GCKINNEY at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to rekindle the talk about oil and the loss of Zinc. As noted in the info from Greg Solow, the Kendall brand name has been sold to Phillips/Coneco. They have changed all the racing oils to now meet spec SM and has less Zinc. As we know this is not good for our flat tappet motors. There is hope as American Refining Group has purchased the old Kendall refinery in Bradford, PA and is making the OLD Kendall racing oils as Brad Penn. This oil is 100% Pennsylvania crude and still has .14% Zinc and phosphorus. And yes it is still green. They also make a mono grade break-in racing oil. Check out their web site www.bradpennracing.com If you can't find it available in your area contact me and I can ship it anywhere. I will be the distributor in the Virginia area and will have it available at any races I attend. The only reason I am selling it is so they will keep making it as is and not change it to SM spec. Any flat tappet motor needs this stuff. Dean T. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Solow Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 9:00 PM To: Jack W. Drews; Mark J. Bradakis; fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil The information that we have obtained from Phillips/Coneco, the new owner/s of the Kendall Brand. The formulation of all Kendall oils were changed about 2 or 3 years ago. The only oil that was not changed was the 70 sae drag racing oil. All of the other GT-1 oils which had previously been real "race oils" were reformulated to conform the the specs for street oils which will not harm cat converters! According to the information that we have obtained, the oils that are available with the extreme pressure additives still in them are formulated for passenger car Diesel engines. There are 3 oils that have HD zinc and phospheros packages. They are Chevron Delo 100 oils, Mobil Delvac 1, and Shell Rotella T. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Drews" To: "Mark J. Bradakis" ; Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [FOT] Forwarded message regarding oil > My understanding from my favorite oil industry executive is that > "all" major brands are formulated to meet the newest API standard > which is SM. That is the standard that took all those goodies out of the > oil. > > Want a low cost oil that is still made to the previous standard? > > Kendall GT-1 High Performance motor oil, available from your local > parts pimp but not from the Walmarts of the world. It's dirt cheap > compared to the Red Lines, etc. It meets API SL, SJ, and SH, but not > SM. I used it last season in a newly built engine and after running a > whole season on the same sump-full, disassembly showed the parts > still looking like new. > > You can get it in straight single-weights or in dual spec. I use > 20W-50. I pay $28 a case. All circle track racers in my area use it. > > Take a look at Amsoil's site, > > http://mcgeerf.tripod.com/americansyntheticoil/id17.html > > and look at the zinc content of all the oils. Kendall is the highest. > Now, the caveat: I don't know when the Amsoil data was prepared -- > wen I check the Kendall site and look at GT1, it says it meets the SM > spec. But sitting on my desk is a jug of Kendall GT-1 High Prformance > oil and the label says SL, SJ, SH. i hope they haven't changed it > over the winter. > > >>From: "BOB KRAMER" >>To: "FOT List" >>Subject: OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS >>Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:04:57 -0600 >> >> >>This was posted on the some British Car web forums and based on the >>feedback >>it is not widely known apparently ----- >> >>OIL IS KILLING OUR CARS!!!!! >> >>By: Keith Ansell, Foreign Parts Positively, Inc. >> >>About a year ago I read about the reduction of zinc dithiophosphate (ZDDP) >>in the oils supplied with API approval that could affect sliding and high >>pressure (EP) friction in our cars. The reduction of these chemicals in >>supplied oil was based on the fact that zinc, manganese and/or phosphates >>reduce the effectiveness and eventually damage catalytic converters and >>introduce minute amounts of pollutants into our atmosphere. > > ................snip....................... > >>Bob Kramer >>rkramer3 at austin.rr.com >> >> >>=== Help keep Team.Net on the air >>=== http://www.team.net/donate.html > > uncle jack > > ------------------------------------------------ > No Virus Found In This Message > Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net > > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air > === http://www.team.net/donate.html _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 11:48:21 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:48:21 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming In-Reply-To: <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> References: <1173727966.2859.10.camel@Gerards.CasaG.net> <771B034C-713F-4E31-898A-4DC715C01BDB@earthlink.net> <010d01c764fa$800a0390$690fc548@RWKastner> <000301c76502$c023f370$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <20070313001529.TIEN24587.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000401c76506$464d51f0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> <372FB06D-60CE-4822-915C-3C8ED5659D41@bnj.com> <20070313151431.UYGD321.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds like interesting times. I've spent time in rooms where deals get hammered out. Anyone who believes that the USA is run by evil geniuses plotting global domination is so far off they're not even wrong. If only it were so. Rubes on vacation. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:10 AM, Dave Riddle wrote: > At 09:10 PM 3/12/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >> Not true at all. spend a little time looking at the Kyoto accords >> and other political resolutions to global warming. It's economic >> warfare. we sent nitwits to the bargaining table and wound up >> getting screwed. > > We always send nitwits. > > > > Another lifetime ago (17 years - hard to believe) I was doing work > for one of Uncle Sam's three-lettered Agency's in a Country that > shall remain nameless (would not be to difficult to discover). I had > been in country for just over a year this particular trip laboring > away in private sector positions (magazine editor/contributor, radio > show host, US company quality control inspection rep, etc...) when I > managed to obtain employment within the Host country's > government. In fact I was working within their version of a State > Department. Not only that I was employed within the office that > dealt with US 301 trade issues. Nominally I was charged with > attending trade conferences on their behalf to listen to the US side > and prepare reports as to what the US position really was in general > and some items in particular. > > US Trade missions to these conferences/meetings are a conglomeration > of Bureaucrats (State, Commerce, etc...) and representatives of US > companies with a particular interest in the current round of talks > (aviation, agriculture, etc...). > > For the Host Country's side I was able to obtain a significant amount > of intel for them during the "Continental Breakfast" before sitting > down at the conference table. The US attendees would see me bellying > up to the pastry bar with them and since I had a "white-face" they > assumed I must be part of their delegation. I overheard lots of good > information for my reports to the Host. > > Obviously similar reports and much more were going out the backdoor > to Uncle. > > For the most part US attendees at these conferences seemed to be > caught up in the moment of being overseas and wanting to get away > from the stale boardroom setting to get some shopping down or sample > some of the local delights. They didn't seem particular focused. I > can assure you the other side was focused 100% on a successful > outcome to these meetings. > > The reason I am no longer doing this type of work is that my Agency > case officer blew my position through his sloppy procedures. We (my > wife and I) hightailed it back home before I got a knock at the door > to become a "quest" rather then a visitor. She had just become > pregnant with our first child so the excuse was that we were moving > back to the states for the baby. She only found out the truth this > last fall when I was yelling at the TV when some no nothing > reporter/reportettte was going on about Plame being "undercover" and > my kids how asked me how I knew that Plame wasn't undercover and > therefore no law had been broken. Since it had been 16/17 yars I > figured what the hell and told them. Still have an old briefcase > full of documents that worked their way out the backdoor. > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rikrock at aol.com Tue Mar 13 14:01:11 2007 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:01:11 -0400 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C933C17B4A9E5F-F58-1EBC@FWM-R18.sysops.aol.com> Joe, Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each year. VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at Schenley is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. Rich Rock ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Tue Mar 13 14:51:21 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:51:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Are there 2 FOT lists? In-Reply-To: <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> <20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Hopefully I'll explain this in one deep breath... I sent this from my non-aol address... Being an AOL member of FOT and being apparently deleted after the resurection of these services, I created a non-aol address to use here. I went to the FOT subscription link, added my new address, replied to the confirmation email, etc. All is well, kinda... Shortly after I did this Mark sent out an email saying all was well with the AOL members, usint some language I didn't fully understand, but whatever. So now it appears I am currently subscribed at both my AOL address and my new non-aol address. The weird thing is that I am getting some threads on my AOL address and others on the non-aol address. None are going to both. They both seem to be coming from: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of (insert sender here). Is there a scientific explaination to this? Once they all go to my non-aol address, I'll unsubscribe my aol address! BTW: I subscribed to the Google list using a different aol address... Another subject: Kudos to Mark for adding the prefixes to the different list (Fot, TR, Spit) subject lines (something I've been bugging him for years about)! Makes the SPAM much easier to spot Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire Cwn74 at aol dot com and clarkfot at cwnicholls dot net "Reality... It's not what you think." From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net Tue Mar 13 15:52:22 2007 From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:52:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] More info... Are there 2 FOT lists? In-Reply-To: <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> References: <006601c76202$eabb0450$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com><20070309152105.49E5A187A51@autox.team.net> <000001c765b1$5d2a0480$1442a8c0@semperon3400> Message-ID: <005901c765b9$e5e82560$1442a8c0@semperon3400> I went to the roster list for Fot, tried to log in with my aol address. Failed. I tried with my non-aol address, this one. Worked. I looked at the subscribed roster. My aol address is not there. Hmmm... Could it be Outlook 2003 is sorting emails into separate folders? I dunno.... Clark Clark W. Nicholls '72 Stag '74 Spitfire Cwn74 at aol dot com and clarkfot at cwnicholls dot net From jerryvv at adelphia.net Tue Mar 13 18:20:22 2007 From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:20:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? References: <7A3B5B10-BC29-4DEC-B09E-A0449B5D7266@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00c601c765ce$8e5aeb60$6601a8c0@toshibauser> Bill, The Western Pa Triumph Club sponsors British Car Day on Saturday of the PVGP Weekend. Typically 400 cars. We do it on the golf course and after every event they re-seed due to the large environmental impact we make! After 25 years it's become a targeted clean up area. Peyote will be right at home. JVV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? > The All Aluminum tour will be there, assuming they can stomach Peyote > leaking gently onto their nice lawn. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:33 AM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > > > FOT: > > > > I have received an inquiry about our level of interest in an FOT > > Event in > > July 2008 at BeaverRun in PA. Please consider the following: > > > > I think this inquiry has merit and deserves our consideration. This > > would > > make back to back events, close proximity to each other, the first > > at BeaverRun > > and the second at Schenley Park (for qualified cars). Western PA > > is a great > > place to visit and Pittsburgh is really a destination location that > > is somewhat > > under rated. > > > > Opinions are invited, loudly and often. > > > > This does not have to be the Official Kastner Cup event, which is > > slated for > > the East Coast in 2008. > > > > This would clearly not be one of the big 'festival events' with > > high cost and > > little track time. It would be MELLOW and among Friends. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Joe Alexander > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.9/719 - Release Date: 3/12/2007 8:41 AM From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Mar 13 19:33:44 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:33:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: Amici The United States was at the time of the Kyoto agreement in a position to substantially input into the crafting of the agreement to produce terms that were feasible. The reality of the situation was the US government was not convinced that action was needed on global warming - now more widely referred to as climate change. Consequently, the US policymakers allowed a document to be drafted that contained provisions that would never be ratified in the United States. Further, by not negotiating appropriate terms, it avoided a major public/political confrontation with other governments who were then and still are concerned about climate change. As is obvious from the dialog here, there is still disagreement on whether climate change is being accelerated by human activity. There is a well funded group of lobbyists, public relations specialists, and scientists whose job it is to critique findings on climate change - both for and against. Critiquing the findings is relatively easy in the area of climate change because the number of statistical variables are very large and measuring them with accuracy & precision is a major challenge. I figure this group has the potential to make a living on this issue for at least the next ten years or so. The bottom line at the moment is that the earth is experiencing a period of climate change. The consequences of these changes are evident across the globe. The issue is whether we want to ignore it as a natural cycle or take steps to reduce the consequences of our human activity. And if we decide it is being accelerated as a consequence of human activity (as indicated by the UN report); how does the burden gets fairly distributed get allocated and truly implemented across the world. Being people of action, I know that you will all want to do you fair share. Does anyone know how many cows would be have to be purchased and butcher to offset the emissions from our transporters and race cars this year? Cary


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Group44TR7 at aol.com Tue Mar 13 20:25:38 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:25:38 EDT Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: In a message dated 3/13/2007 6:40:48 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, budscars at msn.com writes: Well...1 Question..How long have we kept Climate records?..I don't know. Thanks Racer Bud ....that is the a major point of contention between the two sides on this debate...there are not long term accurate and precise historical records of temperatures and other climate factors (precipitation, etc). This is wonderful situation for the two groups of lobbyists, pr, etc making a living off of this debate. They also get to debate whether the changes in the composition of gases in the atmosphere (as obtain in polar ice that is many centuries old) is meaningful......plenty of great stuff for pundits....


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From budscars at msn.com Tue Mar 13 20:41:20 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. Message-ID: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming new ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic food health probs .. People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) From spitlist at cox.net Tue Mar 13 21:15:29 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:15:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> Message-ID: <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in AZ that we absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of RACER BUD Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR; fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] .. It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming new ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic food health probs .. People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Tue Mar 13 21:26:02 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:26:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] .. References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <00a901c765e8$7fa0ef60$4d83b304@Bud> I was in Tucson in 1998..My ex wife and the kids went Horseback riding..at about 10:00 am..I went to the motel pool to jump; in and cool off..THAT was my intro to How Hot you guys have it..The pool water was warmer than the air! Racer Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'RACER BUD'" ; "'BOB HACKSAW FRANK'" ; "'JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR'" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: RE: [Fot] .. > Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in AZ that > we > absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM > To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING BURR; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] .. > > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, warming > new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 22:53:19 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:53:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> Message-ID: <95C90DCB-A26A-4AF5-BAA0-A09EBC756BAE@bnj.com> Nice thoughts Bud. I know it sounds like I'm being very serious lately, but I spent the day windsurfing and surfing. Way mo bettah brah. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 4:41 PM, RACER BUD wrote: > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, > warming new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work > organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 13 22:54:05 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:54:05 -1000 Subject: [Fot] .. In-Reply-To: <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> References: <009d01c765e2$41200420$4d83b304@Bud> <002d01c765e7$0696def0$16fea8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <70FF8874-4A4F-44A3-B4A1-7F75AAEABC0B@bnj.com> Thats one more nice thing about Maui--no stinkin daylight savings time! we don't believe in it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 13, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Joe Curry wrote: > Daylight Savings Time? What's that? It gets so damn hot here in > AZ that we > absolutely refuse to save any more daylight than we have to! :) > > Joe C. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of RACER BUD > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:41 PM > To: BOB HACKSAW FRANK; JERRY I THINK I'M JUSTGONNA SELL THIS THING > BURR; > fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] .. > > It's tough...keeping up with this Global daylight savings time, > warming new > ice age transfat bowling is almost cool again car lanes don't work > organic > food health probs .. > People..Friends..and..support of each other...It Works Well! > Racer Bud..(I almost signed as..Old Racer Bud) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wgrosenbach at juno.com Wed Mar 14 07:51:43 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:51:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Global Warming - Climate change Message-ID: <20070314.065144.-213707.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Figures just released from a 10 year government study indicate that, you can make a good living from a 10 year government study. Bill On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:33:44 EDT Group44TR7 at aol.com writes: > Amici > > The United States was at the time of the Kyoto agreement in a > position > to substantially input into the crafting of the agreement to > produce terms > that were feasible. The reality of the situation was the US > government was not > convinced that action was needed on global warming - now more > widely referred > to as climate change. Consequently, the US policymakers allowed a > document to > be drafted that contained provisions that would never be ratified > in the > United States. Further, by not negotiating appropriate terms, it > avoided a major > public/political confrontation with other governments who were then > and > still are concerned about climate change. > > As is obvious from the dialog here, there is still disagreement > on > whether climate change is being accelerated by human activity. > There is a well > funded group of lobbyists, public relations specialists, and > scientists whose > job it is to critique findings on climate change - both for and > against. > Critiquing the findings is relatively easy in the area of climate > change because > the number of statistical variables are very large and measuring > them with > accuracy & precision is a major challenge. I figure this group has > the potential > to make a living on this issue for at least the next ten years or > so. > > The bottom line at the moment is that the earth is experiencing > a period > of climate change. The consequences of these changes are evident > across the > globe. The issue is whether we want to ignore it as a natural cycle > or take > steps to reduce the consequences of our human activity. And if we > decide it is > being accelerated as a consequence of human activity (as indicated > by the UN > report); how does the burden gets fairly distributed get allocated > and truly > implemented across the world. > > Being people of action, I know that you will all want to do you > fair > share. Does anyone know how many cows would be have to be purchased > and butcher > to offset the emissions from our transporters and race cars this > year? > > Cary > > > > > > >


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AOL now > offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 08:03:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:03:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: > Joe, > > Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each year. > VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at Schenley > is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) > > I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. > > Rich Rock > Rich Rock...thanks for 'open forum' supporting comments on BearRun. I have received no negative comments from anyone on this proposal. I know that there are a number of FoT that would like to enjoy a low cost 'non-festival' event, with lots of track time. It is not too soon to plan. Note: It does not have to be an Official FOT Event with the Kastner Cup Presentation, to be consider by our unofficial group. Note: Not all cars, that run at BeaverRun would be eligible to run the PVGP, but I believe our cars would be considered on case by case basis. (#197 TR4 was invited to run a few years ago. I did attend, but didnt run) Depending on your state of mind, the PVGP seems to be pure vintage magic. Note: Western Pennsyvania is a hot bed of Triumph activity and rife with our Triumph Friends. It is also destination location that seems to be a well kept secret. Enough for the moment. Thanks again! Joe (A) From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 08:35:59 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:35:59 EDT Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. Message-ID: FOT and Bill Bonadio, The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his son, Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original fibreglass. Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this year. I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at the moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, but know little else. Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from my memory only. Thanks. ORIGINAL MOLDS Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) 2ND GENERATION MOLDS Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? Thanks! Joe (A) From Cofrog at aol.com Wed Mar 14 09:41:54 2007 From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:41:54 EDT Subject: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? Message-ID: Sounds like it should be a good prospect for oil well. Either now or in the near future.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Wed Mar 14 14:57:13 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:57:13 -0800 Subject: [Fot] oil In-Reply-To: <001b01c76109$53a17a80$15c69804@Dean44> Message-ID: <0bae01c7667b$577feac0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to > rekindle the talk > about oil and the loss of Zinc. Although not strictly on-topic, I just found this interesting article by Crane Cams that at least touches on the subject. http://www.cranecams.com/pdf/548e.pdf One of the most interesting things is how their advice now matches what Kas and Greg Solow and others have been telling us for a long time : new cams/lifters need to be run-in at a fast idle. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Wed Mar 14 16:05:28 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:05:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. References: Message-ID: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm correct. Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > FOT and Bill Bonadio, > > The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. > > Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro > Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his > son, > Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original > fibreglass. > Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this > year. > > I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at > the > moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, > but > know little else. > > Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from > my > memory only. Thanks. > > > ORIGINAL MOLDS > > Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) > AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH > Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? > Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) > > 2ND GENERATION MOLDS > > Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) > Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) > Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) > Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? > > Thanks! > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 14 18:25:08 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:25:08 -0400 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. Message-ID: <7B23C7B8.2F12C342.00159EE9@cs.com> wilburn is the name, don peerless is the chassis as i have been told. thanks! joe Don Elliott <58tr3a at videotron.ca> wrote: >I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm correct. > >Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Cc: >Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM >Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > > >> FOT and Bill Bonadio, >> >> The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. >> >> Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the known Ambro >> Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton and his >> son, >> Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original >> fibreglass. >> Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro early this >> year. >> >> I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant remember it at >> the >> moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west coast, >> but >> know little else. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below is from >> my >> memory only. Thanks. >> >> >> ORIGINAL MOLDS >> >> Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) >> AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH >> Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? >> Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) >> >> 2ND GENERATION MOLDS >> >> Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) >> Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) >> Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) >> Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe (A) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 14 18:21:37 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:21:37 -1000 Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. In-Reply-To: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> References: <001501c76684$e124a5a0$1123394a@Elliott> Message-ID: It is John Wilburn, but it's based on a Peerless. I've got some photos of them, I'll stick them on the all Aluminum Tour blog tonight. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Don Elliott wrote: > I believe his name is John Wilburn and it's based on a TR2, if I'm > correct. > > Don Elliott, 1958 TR3A, Montreal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:35 AM > Subject: [Fot] AMBRO "Body" Count-----need help. > > >> FOT and Bill Bonadio, >> >> The AMBRO name is part of our Triumph Heritage in North America. >> >> Until recently, I have not attempted to make a list all of the >> known Ambro >> Bodied cars there are. This week, I discovered that Tivvy Shenton >> and his >> son, >> Cully are restoring a V-8 Powered Ambro that features the original >> fibreglass. >> Discussion with them reveals that they hope to finish the Ambro >> early this >> year. >> >> I know the name of the guy of the Peerless Ambro, but cant >> remember it at >> the >> moment. I keep hearing about a Buick V-8 Powered Ambro on the west >> coast, >> but >> know little else. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in some blanks and add to the list? Below >> is from >> my >> memory only. Thanks. >> >> >> ORIGINAL MOLDS >> >> Doug Karon AMBRO - TRIUMPH #1 (ORIGINAL AMBRO) >> AMBRO- PEERLESS CHASSIS - TRIUMPH >> Cully Shenton AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- original body? >> Bob Stadel AMBRO - TRIUMPH (LAST ONE BUILT BY BILL AMES) >> >> 2ND GENERATION MOLDS >> >> Bill Bonadio Dio/Ambro V-8 POWERED (Dio Tipo 61) >> Joe Alexander AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #1) >> Bill Babcock AMBRO- TRIUMPH (CONTINUATION OF BUILD #2) >> Mike Fuchs AMBRO - V-8 POWERED- orginal body? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Joe (A) >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 14 20:35:26 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:35:26 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested Message-ID: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Maybe a year or so ago there were some threads on a supplier that had some thicker than normal manifold gaskets for Spitfire and I also believe TR-6 engines. This was in the context of solving the ation problem with the commonly sold pieces commercially available. Does anyone recall the contact information for this fellow? I spoke with them at the time but lost the contact information when a hard drive bit the dust. Thanks Russ Moore From mark at bradakis.com Wed Mar 14 21:42:02 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:42:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested In-Reply-To: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> References: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Message-ID: <45F8C08A.407@bradakis.com> > solving the ation problem Okay, I give up. What's the "ation problem" here? mjb. From rem9 at frontiernet.net Wed Mar 14 20:53:09 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Assistance requested References: <004101c766aa$98f70ef0$03fea8c0@remsec1> <45F8C08A.407@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <00a801c766ad$11afd5a0$03fea8c0@remsec1> sorry for the typo, I meant aeration problem. Leaking of air through the gasket material Russ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Bradakis" To: "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Assistance requested > > solving the ation problem > > Okay, I give up. What's the "ation problem" here? > > mjb. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Wed Mar 14 21:16:09 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:16:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil References: <0bae01c7667b$577feac0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <008c01c766b0$486def70$6401a8c0@TER2> We have been in touch with the "former Kendall refinery", have recently purchased some of their current version of Kendall Racing GT-1 and am looking into selling it in the Northern California area. Apparently, when Sunoco and then Conoco/Phillips bought the Kendall name, they did not buy the refining technology or formulations! So the oil now produced by the refinery located on Kendall Ave. in Bradford , Penn. is still refined using only Pennsylvania crude and conforms to the API standards for SJ /CF oils. It is not certified for use in Catalytic Converter equipped cars or for use as an "Energy Saving" oil. It still has the same or a better additive package as the Kendall produced 8 or 9 years ago. It even has green dye in it. Praise the Lord! Regards, Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil >> Now that the FOT seems to be back up, I would like to >> rekindle the talk >> about oil and the loss of Zinc. > > Although not strictly on-topic, I just found this interesting article by > Crane Cams that at least touches on the subject. > http://www.cranecams.com/pdf/548e.pdf > > One of the most interesting things is how their advice now matches what > Kas > and Greg Solow and others have been telling us for a long time : new > cams/lifters need to be run-in at a fast idle. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. 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If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 14 21:16:02 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nomination In-Reply-To: <45ED9F61.4000305@pobox.com> Message-ID: <000001c766b0$43931b60$6723b348@blake1> Larry, We live in Austin out near Lakeway, fortunately not that far from Bob. How many events do you make a year? When and where is the next event you will have your 3? I would love to spend a few hours chatting and looking over your car, maybe borrow some ideas. Where do you live? Thanks for the second, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Larry Young [mailto:cartravel at pobox.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 11:06 AM To: John Herrera Cc: fot at autox.team.net; ablake2 at austin.rr.com Subject: Re: [Fot] Nomination I'll gladly 2nd the nomination. We need more TR3's running in CVAR. Jim McAndrew and I are tired be the only TR3's running in CVAR. Greg, where do you live? Larry Young John Herrera wrote: >Amici: > >Can I have a second, please? > >John H. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 14 21:51:08 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:51:08 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 header for sale Message-ID: <000001c766b5$2a6b7e70$6723b348@blake1> Anyone have a set for sale? Greg From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Mar 15 05:50:16 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:50:16 +0100 Subject: [Fot] VW Test References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <003901c766f8$25a79250$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> I am still of list but maybe it might get through..... http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/VW/video/x140ui_vw-test From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 15 12:45:47 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:45:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers Message-ID: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> FoT, I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? Thanks, Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Mar 15 12:56:02 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:56:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers Message-ID: The later GT6's came with a crappy bell crank setup that reversed the upward pull of the cable into a downward stroke. I linked this to the fairly standard crossbar setup above the manifolds to push the Weber linkage down. I could perhaps get pictures for you if interested. I was pleased to find a use for that bit of abomination since I always tossed it from the stock carbs. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 12:59:05 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:59:05 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703151155x7dd08ad0kb310e610c907ef66@mail.gmail.com> References: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> <8cbd782d0703151155x7dd08ad0kb310e610c907ef66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703151159v7f903f00k1d12b4124f455c30@mail.gmail.com> Sending a reply to the whole group. Photo will not come thru, but if you want it let me know. Cable came from Pegasus Racing. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chuck Arnold Date: Mar 15, 2007 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers To: Allen Washatko I made a bracket that screwed into the two treaded holes at the side of the middle carb. Put a hole in the middle of the bracket, and secured the end of the cable to both sides of the bracket. See picute. On 3/15/07, Allen Washatko wrote: > > FoT, > > I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and > am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the > set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two > Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o > 1971 TR6 - Number 6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold -- Chuck Arnold [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of throttle cable at carb 1.JPG] From don at carterdesignassociates.com Thu Mar 15 15:08:07 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:08:07 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers In-Reply-To: <701cc59a5292d4a77c6f9270e263b29f@wi.rr.com> Message-ID: <000001c76746$07e4df40$38e8a8c0@DWC> Allen, My Canon manifold has a place to mount a bell crank, which connects directly to a modified setting of the TR6 lever that is on the pedal rod. I even used the original spring return on that lever. It takes some patience to set it up, but the solid linkage works fine on the triple set of Webers. If you don't have the Canon manifold then a bracket I'm sure can be made that bolts to one of the manifold nuts. Since I recently converted to cable on a different carb set-up, I welded a rod onto my original pedal bar that goes out the left side of the foot pad placement, toward the driver. Bored a hole in the bulkhead flat just left of the battery mount, then ran the cable from a hole in the pedal's new bar, through the flat battery shelf to an aluminum holder for the cable sleeve to rest against, then over the top of the valve cover to another bracket on the carbs that allows the sleeve to adjust while the cable connects to the carb linkage bar leg. I suppose that's hard to follow with my explanation of it, but if your interested I can send you pictures off FOT line. Don W. Carter -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Washatko Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 1:46 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Accelerator Cable Connection to Triple Webers FoT, I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? Thanks, Allen A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 18:12:04 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:12:04 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 15 19:31:07 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:31:07 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa .earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> I use these: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productselection.asp?Product=3277 . It's a gussied up hose clamp. Looks acceptable on the end of braided line, and pretty much the only way to dress up a press on hose that I'm aware of. - Tony At 06:12 PM 3/15/2007, steve wrote: >My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday >night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying >to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but >I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > >One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old >Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > >The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a >hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of >black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online >for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be >THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the >ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose >clamp method? > >Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > >~Steve From dtalbott at archrepro.com Thu Mar 15 18:58:12 2007 From: dtalbott at archrepro.com (David Talbott) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:58:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in addition to being ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", but rather an inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and at best it may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much else. You need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/index.asp ) or something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because of Carroll Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject of the desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot cheaper than the plumbing bits, but that's racing. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: FOT Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 19:00:12 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:00:12 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and Nuts. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to > tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but > I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, > etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black > tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for > Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be > THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the > ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, > hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 19:02:19 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:02:19 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000001c76766$3381d3e0$6a00000a@Dave> Message-ID: Hmmm. Sounds like Dave and I are psychically linked even when I'm a time zone away. I just posted nearly the same comments. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, David Talbott wrote: > Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in > addition to being > ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", > but rather an > inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and > at best it > may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much > else. You > need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/ > index.asp ) or > something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because > of Carroll > Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject > of the > desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and > Plumbing > Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot > cheaper than > the plumbing bits, but that's racing. > > > David Talbott, President > Architectural Reproductions, Inc. > Portland, Oregon > Toll Free (888) 440-8007 > www.archrepro.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: steve > To: FOT > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM > Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > Each night > after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the > engine > compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted > to clean up > the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > Aeroquip fuel > lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a > hack-saw. > Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. > Over that > goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and > fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is > there a > more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input > pipes than > the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Thu Mar 15 19:06:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:06:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Message-ID: One more note about taking off the tape. when I say "ready to install the line" I mean SECONDS away. When you take the tape off the braid begins relaxing from the hose in the area of the cut. Thirty seconds after you pull the tape off it will resemble a trumpet bell. You've got about five seconds to get the outer part of the fitting on to the hose. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 3:00 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are > preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving > flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all > generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with > a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off > until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the > manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. > > To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting > pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. > > Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t > hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, > but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is > spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff > on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is > Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book > will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively > cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and > Nuts. > > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > >> My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. >> Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to >> tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but >> I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, >> etc.. >> >> One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old >> Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. >> >> The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- >> saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black >> tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for >> Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be >> THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the >> ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, >> hose clamp method? >> >> Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? >> >> ~Steve >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 15 19:08:36 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:08:36 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <4026572.1174007317167.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Looks like some good nuts & bolts readin'. Even though this sytem has worked flawlessly for 18years, and the car has never experienced any kind of flames in 40 years, it sure couldn't hurt to upgrade. Even though it will set me back a few $$ ~Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock Sent: Mar 15, 2007 6:02 PM To: David Talbott Cc: steve , FOT Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Hmmm. Sounds like Dave and I are psychically linked even when I'm a time zone away. I just posted nearly the same comments. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse< /FONT> AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, David Talbott wrote: Be aware that it sounds like the setup that you have now (in addition to being ancient) is not really what most people think of as "Aeroquip", but rather an inexpensive faux Aeroquip that kinda looks like the real stuff, and at best it may add some chafing resistance to the rubber hose, but not much else. You need to get a copy of an Earls Catalog ( http://www.holley.com/index.asp ) or something similar, and start reading. I suggest Earls only because of Carroll Smith's relationship with them, which brings up the related subject of the desirability of getting a copy of Smiths' Nuts,Bolts,Fasteners and Plumbing Handbook. Be warned that the catalogs and the books are a lot cheaper than the plumbing bits, but that's racing. David Talbott, President Architectural Reproductions, Inc. Portland, Oregon Toll Free (888) 440-8007 www.archrepro.com ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: FOT Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailm an/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailm an/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Mar 15 21:01:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:01:15 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> Message-ID: <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) - Tony At 07:00 PM 3/15/2007, Bill Babcock wrote: >Aeroquip lines, or any of the other stainless braid lines are >preferable to rubber for lots of reasons, most of them involving >flames. I cut stainless lines several different ways, but it's all >generally the same. Wrap the line tightly in the area to be cut with >a single wrap of duct tape, cut the line. Don't take the tape off >until you're ready to install the line. Proceed according to the >manufacturers instructions for installing the fitting. > >To cut, you can either use a very fine hacksaw and light cutting >pressure or a very thin abrasive disk in a high speed angle grinder. > >Tony, you should be ashamed of yourself for using those piece of s*&t >hose clamps. they might be cheaper than getting the right fittings, >but one engine fire equals a lot of fittings. Carrol Smith is >spinning in his grave just thinking about it. He used Aeroquip stuff >on his tow rig. BTW, the best way to learn about car plumbing is >Carrol Smiths book about car plumbing and fasteners. Buying that book >will cost you a lot of money--not in fittings--they're relatively >cheap, reusable and you simply don't need that many, but in Bolts and >Nuts. > >Bill Babcock >billb at bnj.com >bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > >You can subscribe to my Blogs >Via email: >All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. >http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 >Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? >Sub=168304 > >or Via RSS >Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse >AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > >On Mar 15, 2007, at 2:12 PM, steve wrote: > > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. > > Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to > > tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but > > I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, > > etc.. > > > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old > > Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. > > > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > > saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black > > tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for > > Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be > > THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the > > ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, > > hose clamp method? > > > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > > > ~Steve > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2117 (20070315) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From brad.kahler at 141.com Thu Mar 15 21:19:12 2007 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:12 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> Message-ID: <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. Been working well for a long time now. Brad > > > Tony Drews wrote: >> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >> >> - Tony From S.Janzen at comcast.net Thu Mar 15 20:29:03 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:29:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net><0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com><20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Message-ID: <00e801c76773$01c66e30$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Ditto my car - someone tapped the float bowl covers on the S.U.s - I just like the ease of detaching stuff without wiggling those old hoses off , and the race car seems to get disassembled a lot! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. > had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. > Been working well for a long time now. > > Brad >> >> >> Tony Drews wrote: >>> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >>> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >>> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >>> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >>> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >>> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >>> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >>> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >>> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >>> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >>> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >>> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >>> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >>> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >>> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >>> >>> - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Thu Mar 15 21:06:01 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:06:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <0EC2128D-3FAE-4F22-8CEB-7FEB0E9CA522@bnj.com> <20070316025915.10E02187A93@autox.team.net> <45FA0C06.3000903@141.com> <45FA0CB0.5030605@141.com> Message-ID: <002b01c76778$07917c60$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I think the trick I used was to get a brake line bulkhead fitting and cut the flare off. Then you carefully wiggle out the stock tubes, tap the hole and Bob's your uncle. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Kahler" To: Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > Susan's spitfire came with AN fittings in the float bowl covers. A P.O. > had drilled and tapped for a pipe thread and screwed AN fittings in. > Been working well for a long time now. > > Brad >> >> >> Tony Drews wrote: >>> The only place that my aeroquip uses the tacky and possibly dangerous >>> hose clamps is to connect the line to the carb. Even the aeroquip >>> rollover fuel cell vent line has an AN fitting. So, pretend for a >>> moment that I don't have the Carrol Smith books covering this... How >>> the hell do you attach an AN fitting to a SU carb? (of course, you >>> have to pretend I'm running SU's too... :) ) For the Webers, I'm >>> sure an appropriate fitting is available - I just need to do the >>> right thing and find it. At least the Webers' press on fittings have >>> a bulb at the end to help prevent the lines from blowing off. For >>> the SU's, though, the top of the float bowl is a somewhat fragile >>> thing. The only thing that comes to mind is to somehow remove the >>> tube that sticks out for the fuel line to attach to (how?), and tap >>> the hole for a fitting. I'm not sure that it would be stronger when >>> done (vibration will crack the top of the float bowl?), but I'm ready >>> to be convinced. (don't worry, I'm not being defensive) >>> >>> - Tony > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 15 22:15:51 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:15:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <20070316012859.2A51E1879EE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <45FA19F7.2030607@bradakis.com> Earl's makes a hose end that adapts to hard lines. You screw this cap into the hose end housing and compress a rubber sleeve over the hard line. I've got maybe half a dozen in stock at the shop, haven't used them yet. The whole contraption seems a bit too bulky to mate -6 hose to SU or Stromberg carbs, but I did use one once to put a flex line on a stock gas tank pickup tube. Boy, 6+ degrees and sunny here in Salt Lake, I HAVE to get a Triumph of some sort on the road! mjb. From sbarr at mccarty-law.com Fri Mar 16 06:35:13 2007 From: sbarr at mccarty-law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:35:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spitfire bits for sale Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C741FEB2C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I met a guy here in Northeast Wisconsin who has a hoard of Spitfires and Spitfire parts he'd like to sell off (going back to racing his Mustang). He'd like to sell it as a package deal. He's looking for a reasonable offer and someone with a big truck. Please forward this to any other vintage race lists you're in contact with. He has two cars: one 1965 Spitfire race car and one 1967 Spitfire race car. The 1965 has an 1147. He'd describe the 1965 as an old prod car and the 1967 as a vintage car. The 1965 Spitfire was last raced in 1994, but he feels ("new tires, new calipers, time it and go" he says.) The 1967 car would require significantly more work. His parts inventory is pretty extensive. Extensive enough that he doesn't want to inventory it. But it includes blocks, cranks, cams, pistons, rods (stock), etc. for 1147, 1296s of both varieties and one 1500. He's also got 6 to 8 Minilites, 4 Cosmics, 6 widened steel wheels and a set of Revolutions on the 1965 car, and a set of slotted aluminum mags on the 1967 car. I've seen this stash and the cars, but don't really know much about it -- I just purchased a diff from him a few months ago. If anyone is interested, I can run over there this weekend and take a bunch of digital pics. Scott From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 16 07:20:05 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too tightly. Have a look. http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H igh-Pressure-Hose.html Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of steve Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always wanted to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip fuel lines with new stuff. The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? ~Steve _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 07:57:37 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:57:37 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: Just as a precaution,and I don't know all the vintage rules, BUT, SCCA now requires that carbs with a non-threaded fuel inlet fitting MUST replace them by drilling and tapping the carb for a threaded fitting( GCR 9.3.13)......rick ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 16 08:02:32 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:02:32 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: >The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack-saw. >Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. Over >that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing >and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is >there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb >fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? I converted my old street TR4 to Aeroquip lines with AN fittings. Intially, I use the hose clamps to hold the line on the carbs.This wasn't a good solution. The Aeroquipped line wasn't as flexible as the rubber hose and caused one of the brass fittings on the float bowl lid to fatigue and break. It was the only time in 17 years my `4 didn't get me home. Fortunately, I was just across town. I had a local machine shop weld aluminum AN fittings on the carbs. From then on it was "plain sailing'. OBTW, you can use a Dremel tool cut off wheel to get through the braid, then any good utility knife will get you through the "rubber". The Dremel will give you a cleaner cut with less "prickly bits" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Kramer, Robert" >To: "steve" , "FOT" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 > >I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in >my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links >are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily >make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many >pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under >the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main >line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line >from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the >hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used >electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone >grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too >tightly. Have a look. > >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H >igh-Pressure-Hose.html > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of steve >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From REK46 at aol.com Fri Mar 16 08:12:27 2007 From: REK46 at aol.com (REK46 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: If you want a more flexible hose than the stainless braid, ck out the HS-79 Teflon/Nomex aircraft hose from XRP,more flex,stronger,greater flow....cool looking too...can be bought at any length and fitting ends and same threaded conns as aeroquip type. Ck their website( www.XRP.com)... works great on my racecar. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Fri Mar 16 09:13:58 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:13:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] triple weber linkages Message-ID: In a message dated 3/15/2007 5:08:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > FoT, > > I'm converting my throttle linkage on the TR6 race car to a cable and > am looking for a piece to connect the cable at the Weber end of the > set-up. Most everything that I have seen is designed for only two > Webers. Anybody have any ideas or sources? > > Thanks, > > Allen > > Allen, My throttle cable attachments came from Magard in the UK, although the bar/arms etc came from TWM Induction in Goleta, and the heim joints came from another source, with the stainless steel ball joints coming from Southern Carburettors in Wimbledon. See photos in Vitesse 2 album at webshots. http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 Best Regards Leon From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 16 09:51:11 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:51:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> References: <25591081.1174003925144.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B211882086FB9F9@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: I didn't realize TFE hose was available in dash6. I use it for all my hydraulic stuff, but never have for fuel. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 16, 2007, at 3:20 AM, Kramer, Robert wrote: > I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in > my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The > links > are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can > easily > make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many > pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator > under > the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main > line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant > line > from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and > the > hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I > used > electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used > silicone > grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too > tightly. Have a look. > > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html > http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB- > Braided-H > igh-Pressure-Hose.html > > Bob Kramer > Sales Manager > RDO Equipment Co. > 16415 North IH 35 > Pflugerville, TX 78660 > 512-272-4141 > Fx 512-272-9365 > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot- > bounces at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of steve > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM > To: FOT > Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > > My Dad's old TR3 arrived via Passport Transport on Monday night. Each > night after work, I'm out there puttering around trying to tidy up the > engine compartment a bit. It's in great condition but I've always > wanted > to clean up the location of a few lines, wires, etc.. > > One of the things I'd like to do is to replace the 17year old Aeroquip > fuel lines with new stuff. > > The braided SS fuel hoses on the car were cut to length with a hack- > saw. > Then, the prickly ends were wrapped in a few loops of black tape. > Over > that goes a hose clamp. When I shop around online for Aeroquip tubing > and fittings, all the ends available seem to be THREADED fittings. Is > there a more elegant solution to clamp the ends onto the SU carb > fuel-input pipes than the hack saw, tape, hose clamp method? > > Anyone use rubber fuel tubing instead of the braided line? > > ~Steve > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From norlinengineering at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 11:21:33 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:21:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info Message-ID: <000601c767ef$8b5e3480$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Forwarded by request - This was sent out yesterday to an informal group of Pacific Northwest Vintage Racers. Some of it we have already seen, but some is new to me at least. Jim Norlin Another non synthetic oil that still has the "good" additives is Shell Rotella. Comp Cam and Crane both make a break in additive to make sure that whatever oil you use does not wipe the cam lobes during break in. JEG"S has it at about $8.00 a pint. The additives have changed due to increased pressure from the Feds on immisions and heavy metals. Zink is not the only additive to get reduced. the critical time is for break in, but engines such as our racing engines likely will suffer higher wear during their life cycle with many of the new oil formulations. CompCam did Tech bulletin #225 on 4-10-06 on this subject. I am attaching it as a PDF file but it may not be accepted by the talk line. Here is a link: anyone that does not get it and is interested in seeing it e mail me direct and off the vintage line and I will be happy to forward it to you directly. It is very interesting. Another long but informative article on current oil problems can be found here. www.lnengineering.com/oil.html. Also, anyone on the Friends of Triumph line might want to forward this to that group as I am not a member and this message will be rejected by their monitor. Bottom line is that many current oils are not good for flat tappet break in, even with the highest API ratings! They are also doubtful for maximum life in a racing engine. Larry Dent From BillDentin at aol.com Fri Mar 16 11:46:52 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:46:52 EDT Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info Message-ID: Amici... Interesting. I use Shell Rotella in my tow vehicle (diesel), but I sure never would have considered it for my racing engines. Would that be just for 'breaking in'? For the time being we've decided to go with VALVOLINE RACING (Not Street Legal) Synthetic SAE 20W-50, but we're looking at other options to consider. Bill Dentinger ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Fri Mar 16 13:02:36 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:02:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info In-Reply-To: <000601c767ef$8b5e3480$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: <0d2501c767fd$a92094a0$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Another non synthetic oil that still has the "good" additives is Shell > Rotella. However, that may change soon. Shell will be introducing "reformulated" Rotella in a few months, and has stated it will have "slightly less zinc". http://www.shell-lubricants.com/CJ4/cj4_faq.html Randall CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Mar 16 15:05:58 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:05:58 GMT Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. Message-ID: <20070316.130601.775.672167@webmail22.nyc.untd.com> Greg's conversion as noted below are still holding up very well. Joe(B) I converted my old street TR4 to Aeroquip lines with AN fittings. Intially, I use the hose clamps to hold the line on the carbs.This wasn't a good solution. The Aeroquipped line wasn't as flexible as the rubber hose and caused one of the brass fittings on the float bowl lid to fatigue and break. It was the only time in 17 years my `4 didn't get me home. Fortunately, I was just across town. I had a local machine shop weld aluminum AN fittings on the carbs. From then on it was "plain sailing'. OBTW, you can use a Dremel tool cut off wheel to get through the braid, then any good utility knife will get you through the "rubber". The Dremel will give you a cleaner cut with less "prickly bits" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Kramer, Robert" >To: "steve" , "FOT" >Subject: Re: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. >Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:20:05 -0500 > >I used the TFE hose and high presssure fittings for the fuel system in >my TR4A. I bought all the pieces from Speedway Motors online. The links >are listed below. The neat thing about this stuff is that you can easily >make up sections in lengths you need as you go. I don't know how many >pieces I made from my dual outlet, 2 pump system to the regulator under >the hood, but it looks great. I have a bulkhead fitting for the main >line where it goes through the firewall and another for the coolant line >from my fuel pressure gauge isolator. The fittings are reusable and the >hose doesn't have a 5 second rule like rubber encapsulated stuff. I used >electrical tape and a cut-off wheel, blow out the dust and used silicone >grease to ease assembly. The only worry is crimping if you bend it too >tightly. Have a look. > >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/936,81_High-Pressure-Hose-Ends.html >http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/940,81_Stainless-Wire-BTFEandB-Braided-H >igh-Pressure-Hose.html > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On >Behalf Of steve >Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:12 PM >To: FOT >Subject: [Fot] Cutting Aeroquip Hoses.. > >~Steve >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From tr6nut at verizon.net Fri Mar 16 15:50:34 2007 From: tr6nut at verizon.net (Hugh Barber) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: More Oil Info In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45FB112A.5050705@verizon.net> BillDentin at aol.com wrote: I use Shell Rotella in my tow vehicle (diesel), but I sure never would have considered it for my racing engines. Bill, A lot of motorcycle guys swear by Shell Rotella. I use it in both of our bikes. If it'll work in bikes, it'll surely work in our race cars. http://www.rotella.com has a whole forum on Rotella user/uses. Hugh Barber Stafford, VA '73 TR6 '05 Suzuki SV1000S '06 Kawasaki Ninja 500R (wife's bike) From trhouse at greenapple.com Fri Mar 16 16:30:59 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:30:59 -0500 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [TR] Chauffeured Tow car! Message-ID: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> Return-Path: Received: from mx10.greenapple.com (root at mx10.greenapple.com [198.144.72.70]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2GMK1Mv020902 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from autox.team.net (autox.team.net [70.58.101.41]) by mx10.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2GM9cIv023592 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix) id EBAB3187B62; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix, from userid 71) id E2090187B65; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) Delivered-To: triumphs at autox.team.net From: "Randall" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] FW: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:28:39 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Sender: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net Precedence: list Reply-To: "Randall" X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, required 4, autolearn=disabled) X-MailScanner-From: owner-triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >From another list. -----Original Message----- From: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Senior Design Team RIT Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:42 AM To: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com Subject: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon I have too many projects and would like to reduce my collection. I do not want to scrap the car or part it out, so thought I would present it to the Triumph group first. I have a restoration project of a pretty rare vehicle... a 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon. The 1800 Saloon is an extremely rare car in the USA. There were less than 20 of them sold here in the states when new. Most of the surviving saloons are the later "2000 Renown" (produced from 1949-1952). I have photos at http://www.geocities.com/jjferrero/triumph.html I would like to find it a good home and will be accepting reasonable offers. If there are interests, please contact me at ritthesis at yahoo.com with the subject "1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon" Thanks, ~Joe Ferrero Geneseo, NY 14454 Your messages not reaching the list? Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html === This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register === http://www.vtr.org === Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive === http://www.team.net/the-local From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 16 19:20:09 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:20:09 -1000 Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [TR] Chauffeured Tow car! In-Reply-To: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> References: <45FB1AA3.4BE8FBE9@greenapple.com> Message-ID: <68149C42-709D-4281-9737-922D7E39157B@bnj.com> Yikes. Get thee behind me. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 16, 2007, at 12:30 PM, Tom Householder wrote: > Return-Path: > Received: from mx10.greenapple.com (root at mx10.greenapple.com > [198.144.72.70]) by mbox2.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with > ESMTP > id l2GMK1Mv020902 for ; Fri, 16 Mar > 2007 > 18:20:03 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from autox.team.net (autox.team.net [70.58.101.41]) by > mx10.greenapple.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id > l2GM9cIv023592 for > ; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) > Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix) id EBAB3187B62; Fri, 16 Mar 2007 > 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) > Delivered-To: triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net > Received: by autox.team.net (Postfix, from userid 71) id E2090187B65; > Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:28:20 -0700 (MST) > Delivered-To: triumphs at autox.team.net > From: "Randall" > To: "Triumphs" > Subject: [TR] FW: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon > Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:28:39 -0800 > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) > Sender: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net > Precedence: list > Reply-To: "Randall" > X-GreenApple-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more > information > X-GreenApple-MailScanner: Found to be clean > X-GreenApple-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=0, > required 4, autolearn=disabled) > X-MailScanner-From: owner-triumphs-4rtx at autox.team.net > X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > >> From another list. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com > [mailto:triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com]On > Behalf Of Senior Design Team RIT > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:42 AM > To: triumph_cars at yahoogroups.com > Subject: [triumph_cars] 1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon > > > I have too many projects and would like to reduce my collection. I > do not want > to scrap the car or part it out, so thought I would present it to > the Triumph > group first. > > I have a restoration project of a pretty rare vehicle... a 1946 > Triumph 1800 > Saloon. The 1800 Saloon is an extremely rare car in the USA. There > were less > than 20 of them sold here in the states when new. Most of the > surviving saloons > are the later "2000 Renown" (produced from 1949-1952). > > I have photos at http://www.geocities.com/jjferrero/triumph.html > > I would like to find it a good home and will be accepting > reasonable offers. > > If there are interests, please contact me at ritthesis at yahoo.com > with the > subject "1946 Triumph 1800 Saloon" > > Thanks, > > ~Joe Ferrero > Geneseo, NY 14454 > > Your messages not reaching the list? > Check out http://www.team.net/posting.html > > === This list supported in part by The Vintage Triumph Register > === http://www.vtr.org > > === Help keep Team.Net on the air: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > === unsubscribe/change address requests to majordomo at autox.team.net > === Archives at http://www.team.net/archive > === http://www.team.net/the-local > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Sun Mar 18 10:30:17 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:30:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union Message-ID: Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking to put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. Thanx, Steve Smith ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From BillDentin at aol.com Sun Mar 18 10:54:07 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:54:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR Message-ID: Amici... You never see much print coverage on TORNADO CARS, the English Specials with lots of TRIUMPH parts. Bob Wismer and I CO-own a TYPHOON, THUNDER BOLT, and a TALISMAN. So when a friend in England alerted me to small article in the March issue of the glossy British magazine CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR, I made a trip to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up a copy. Sure enough, there was a reference (and picture) of the Sports Brake (Estate Wagon) that TORNADO made. Weird looking car. Picture an Aston Martin DB2 works racer, and then convert it to a station wagon. That's pretty much what they did. They can't remember if they made one, or two or three. I've only seen pictures. But the reason for this email is that this March issue also has an extensive article on TRIUMPH sports. It is the feature article for the month. Anyone interested in such special attention in the print media for TRIUMPH cars should get up a copy. Years ago I was a subscriber to this magazine. Had to stop. The commercial and classified ads are dangerous. They sure always have some neat 'stuff' for sale. Wife, Shirley Jean, has put her foot down. No more cars! Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From mee23 at cornell.edu Sun Mar 18 10:58:58 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:58:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR References: Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243D5@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> I HATE when wives get that way!!! M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Sun 3/18/2007 12:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR Amici... You never see much print coverage on TORNADO CARS, the English Specials with lots of TRIUMPH parts. Bob Wismer and I CO-own a TYPHOON, THUNDER BOLT, and a TALISMAN. So when a friend in England alerted me to small article in the March issue of the glossy British magazine CLASSIC and SPORTS CAR, I made a trip to my local Barnes and Noble to pick up a copy. Sure enough, there was a reference (and picture) of the Sports Brake (Estate Wagon) that TORNADO made. Weird looking car. Picture an Aston Martin DB2 works racer, and then convert it to a station wagon. That's pretty much what they did. They can't remember if they made one, or two or three. I've only seen pictures. But the reason for this email is that this March issue also has an extensive article on TRIUMPH sports. It is the feature article for the month. Anyone interested in such special attention in the print media for TRIUMPH cars should get up a copy. Years ago I was a subscriber to this magazine. Had to stop. The commercial and classified ads are dangerous. They sure always have some neat 'stuff' for sale. Wife, Shirley Jean, has put her foot down. No more cars! Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Sun Mar 18 15:20:48 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:20:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> To all Motorsports Media: The prestigious Martha McDougal Trophy is to be presented at the upcoming First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days (F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D.) vintage races at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) on the weekend of April 13-16, 2007. The Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, Martha was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust bins. Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made the rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, transferring the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the factory, without complaint or even one day's absence. Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry plant, she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". In her memory, we will be awarding the "Martha McDougal Trophy" to the Triumph driver who completes the most qualified laps of VIR during the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "feature race". In this way, we are not only honoring a person who many Triumph owners have never heard of but we are also rewarding the driver who best emulates Martha's unique ability to "triumph" in the face of adversity. Since Martha was forced to maneuver around many obstacles during her "laps" of the factory, we will conduct our "feature race" during the VCDA's Gimmick Race (www.VintageDrive.com) in which competitors will share the track with other vintage racers who are not actually entered in our event. And since as Martha aged and gained weight her "lap times" got higher, we will apply an age and weight factor to the final lap count for each car/driver combination. The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. The Trophy will be presented at the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. banquet and awards ceremony on Friday evening at the Triumph paddock. Dinner and adult beverages, including a selection of exotic Fat Bastard wines, will be provided to registered entrants and their crews. For more information or to make reservations, contact Mr. Leo Oddi, email LOddTR at aol.com or by phone at (540) 891-8236. From emanteno at comcast.net Sun Mar 18 18:48:07 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:48:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <031920070048.5923.45FDDDC7000A789C000017232207022933970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "OFB Racing" > The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. Based on age alone, I'm thinking Don Marshall is the favorite. ;-) From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 18 22:20:07 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:20:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days In-Reply-To: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> References: <00be01c769a3$4c9cd200$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Message-ID: <7EAA739B-B1EB-434D-83AD-63DA6C9FB36A@bnj.com> Now I am truly brokenhearted that I can't be there. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 18, 2007, at 11:20 AM, OFB Racing wrote: > To all Motorsports Media: The prestigious Martha McDougal Trophy > is to > be presented at the upcoming First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring > Tune-up and Race Days (F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D.) vintage races at VIR > (Virginia International Raceway) on the weekend of April 13-16, 2007. > > > > The Trophy honors Ms. Martha McDougal, a woman who toiled in almost > total obscurity for many years at the Triumph automobile plant in > Coventry, England. According to sources believed to be reliable, > Martha > was born in Coventry in January, 1923. Her parents were tragically > killed in the Blitz and Martha was left an orphan at age 16. Although > she was not overly bright, she was very resourceful and within months > had gotten a job at the Standard Triumph factory emptying the dust > bins. > Throughout the war and until the demise of the company, Martha made > the > rounds, day after day, month after month, year after year, > transferring > the trash into her cart and then into the large bins behind the > factory, > without complaint or even one day's absence. > > > > Over the years Martha became known as the single person who had > completed the most "laps" of the Triumph factory and, upon her > retirement a few months before the final closing of the Coventry > plant, > she was honored with a bronzed pair of high top Keds, her signature > footwear. It is rumored that at the presentation, Sir John himself > reminisced about how Martha, who had an endearing habit of assigning > nicknames to all the staff, would push past him in the hallway and > mumble, "Get out of my way you fat bastard". > > > > In her memory, we will be awarding the "Martha McDougal Trophy" to the > Triumph driver who completes the most qualified laps of VIR during the > F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. "feature race". In this way, we are not only > honoring a person who many Triumph owners have never heard of but > we are > also rewarding the driver who best emulates Martha's unique ability to > "triumph" in the face of adversity. > > > > Since Martha was forced to maneuver around many obstacles during her > "laps" of the factory, we will conduct our "feature race" during the > VCDA's Gimmick Race (www.VintageDrive.com) in which competitors will > share the track with other vintage racers who are not actually entered > in our event. And since as Martha aged and gained weight her "lap > times" got higher, we will apply an age and weight factor to the final > lap count for each car/driver combination. The winner will be > determined by a complex formula including age and weight of driver, > age > of car, laps completed, overall speed and the temperature. The Trophy > will be presented at the F.A.T.B.A.S.T.A.R.D. banquet and awards > ceremony on Friday evening at the Triumph paddock. Dinner and adult > beverages, including a selection of exotic Fat Bastard wines, will be > provided to registered entrants and their crews. > > For more information or to make reservations, contact Mr. Leo Oddi, > email LOddTR at aol.com or by phone at (540) 891-8236. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From wensley at adelphia.net Mon Mar 19 04:47:34 2007 From: wensley at adelphia.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days References: <031920070048.5923.45FDDDC7000A789C000017232207022933970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002801c76a14$007a6560$0300a8c0@Desktop> Are you telling me that Don is older then Dean (WOW) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "OFB Racing" ; Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "OFB Racing" > > >> The winner will be determined by a complex formula including age and >> weight of driver, age of car, laps completed, overall speed and the >> temperature. > Based on age alone, I'm thinking Don Marshall is the favorite. > ;-) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 06:57:52 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 1 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E3F@server.Triumph.local> What an adventure. I spent last Wednesday thru Saturday night with Mike Jackson, Bob Wismer and Glen Efinger at the Sebring 12 Hour race. SVRA gets a whopping 3 sessions over the weekend, one of them a 1 hour enduro. Mike contacts me a couple months ago and asks if I want to co-drive the TR3 with him in the enduro, how can I say no? I was really looking forward to the event for a couple of reasons, the biggest being I have been chasing the Glen Efinger prepared cars since I started racing, and I couldn't believe I was getting a chance to drive one. I had never driven a TR3 racecar, never driven the track. I knew I would be hopeless if I didn't prepare somehow for my 20 or so minutes in the seat. Thanks to the computer game GT Legends and a bit of searching on the Internet to download the track at Sebring, I was able to 'drive' the track to get a feel for it. Then a chat with JK informs me where the bumpy bits are. Finally a U-Tube in-car video puts it all together. I am as ready as I will ever be. The plan is this. On the one and only practice/qualifying session, Mike takes the car out for 3 laps. One to warm up the tires, one hot lap, then come in. We do a drivers switch, and I get a few laps to familiarize myself with the car and the track. That plan goes off without a hitch. Well, there was that little off by the hairpin, but, well, never mind. The following day after a little brake adjusting, we are ready for the enduro. Plan is for Mike to take the green flag, run to halftime and come in. I will take the checker. Minor flaw in the plan. Mother Nature has other ideas. The green flag waives with a little liquid sunshine falling from the sky. Within 3 laps the flag in the tower goes from black to red. The rain is torrential, and lightning is flashing all around us. The cars make it back to the pits, the tow trucks are busy picking up bashed up race cars, and soon the word is given, we are done. The storm wreaks havoc in the pits. We weather out the storm with no major disaster. With a schedule as tight it is, we know we are done. No make-up race is going to happen. Mike offers to have me drive the feature. I was really surprised, and am very grateful. continued From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 06:58:01 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:58:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! From richtr at erols.com Mon Mar 19 07:05:09 2007 From: richtr at erols.com (Dean Tetterton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <000801c76a27$39f82120$a7ea9804@Dean44> Henry; Now you know why real men drive TR3's and have arms like gorillas. Sounds like you had a great time. See you in April at the Fat Bastard. Dean -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Henry Frye Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 AM To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 08:36:46 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:36:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union References: Message-ID: <000e01c76a34$08077aa0$dec53f18@alex> I have one Steve, send me your adress. rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union > Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... > > Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking > to > put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. > > Thanx, Steve Smith > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Mar 19 11:07:15 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:07:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he does. *Obi Wan voice off* Glad you had a good time Henry. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry Frye To: fot at Autox.Team.Net Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Our one goal is to finish on the front page of the 70 car field. Oh, the other goal was for me to bring the car back to the pits as it left... Friday morning comes, SVRA has 60 minutes on the schedule to complete 2 races. Our Vintage group goes first, the Historic guys run second. I put on my still soaking wet drivers suit and down to the false grid Mike and I go. Mike makes sure I am all set and starts walking back to the paddock to watch the race. As he is walking he hears Burt Levy on the P.A. system adding color commentary as the cars take the field. As Mike explained to me, Burt's comments went something like this. "And here is Mike Jackson in the #62 red TR3. All TR3's drive like bricks, but you guys are in for a real treat because this is one of the best TR3's in the country, and Mike sure is one of the best TR3 drivers you are going to ever see." I hope none of the 50,000 fans were disappointed. Hey, what they don't know will not hurt them! I take the green, and quickly find the rhythm of the track. As I get some heat in the tires and get comfortable sliding the car around, I can feel the many similarities between the TR3 and my TR4, but this is quite different. It is hard to explain, but it is more real, much more challenging. By the end of the session I conclude that TR4's are wimpy in comparison. I imagine the learning curve in a TR3 has to be much steeper than a TR4. My arms were flailing about keeping it pointed the right way around the corners, while in my TR4 you turn in, the car takes a set that's it. This is really, really cool. While I am out there wearing myself out I keep waiting for some sign from the tower that we are done. Lap after lap we pass under the man with the checkered flag, nothing. Finally I see the one to go sign. I am ready for this race to be over! Meanwhile Mike and Glen are nervously looking at their watch wondering why their driver is still out there holding the loud pedal wide open for over 30 minutes when this was supposed to be a 20 minute or so race. Apparently the starter kept missing the leader! Oh well. If they score the race the way Carl Jensen says they are going to, we accomplished all our goals. If not, we are the second car on the back page of the scoring sheet. Not too shabby. Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 19 11:20:32 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:20:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 03/19/2007 11:07:40 AM Central Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he > does. *Obi Wan voice off* > Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From S.Janzen at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 11:37:18 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:37:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? References: Message-ID: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> To all you TR4 owners who still have one you run on the street - I am looking for tire recommendations. I am not trying to win shows, but want a tire that will allow me to have some fun within the limits allowed by the 60 spoke wires and a stock suspension. Any suggestions? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaverRun & The PVGP 2008 FOT Event? >> Joe, >> >> Sounds good to me! The Beaver Run event is gaining in popularity each >> year. >> VRG does a pretty good job making drivers happy. VSCCA's PVGP at >> Schenley >> is something special. Racing on public roads! What a concept ;-) >> >> I'll be there regardless, probably with Bob Stadel's Ambro. >> >> Rich Rock >> > > Rich Rock...thanks for 'open forum' supporting comments on BearRun. I have > received no negative comments from anyone on this proposal. > > I know that there are a number of FoT that would like to enjoy a low cost > 'non-festival' event, with lots of track time. It is not too soon to > plan. > > Note: It does not have to be an Official FOT Event with the Kastner Cup > Presentation, to be consider by our unofficial group. > > Note: Not all cars, that run at BeaverRun would be eligible to run the > PVGP, > but I believe our cars would be considered on case by case basis. (#197 > TR4 > was invited to run a few years ago. I did attend, but didnt run) Depending > on > your state of mind, the PVGP seems to be pure vintage magic. > > Note: Western Pennsyvania is a hot bed of Triumph activity and rife with > our > Triumph Friends. It is also destination location that seems to be a well > kept > secret. > > Enough for the moment. Thanks again! > > Joe (A) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mlbruner53 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 12:13:12 2007 From: mlbruner53 at yahoo.com (Michael Bruner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Four way brake pipe union In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20070319181312.47564.qmail@web54106.mail.yahoo.com> Steve, Victoria British part No. 7-063 for 17.95. Sorry I don't have a spare to loan you but that's where I got mine. Gt6steve at aol.com wrote: Amici, particularly single circuit brakers... Anybody have a spare four way brake pipe union laying around? I'm looking to put brake bias gages in the GT6 and need a four way for the front. Thanx, Steve Smith ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Mike Bruner TR4A - #612 --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 19 12:26:20 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:26:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 References: Message-ID: <00ac01c76a54$17953500$84fea8c0@shop> But Bill, don't all Racing TR4's have the windows and registers removed? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 > In a message dated 03/19/2007 11:07:40 AM Central Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > *Obi Wan voice* The young padawan begins to understand, yes, understand he > > does. *Obi Wan voice off* > > > > Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Mar 19 12:24:42 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:24:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, tlizzard at msn.com writes: Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly like a... uh... like a TR-3...! Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 19 13:39:27 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:39:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cut-down classics [was Sebring 12 Hour] Message-ID: Bill (Damdinger) wrote: >Not to mention, cars with roll down windows will NEVER be CLASSICS. Hey Bill, I use leather straps to raise and lower the lexan door windows in my TR6. Does that count? Shane Ingate, himself a classic {insert noun here}, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 19 13:39:45 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:39:45 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15446187-1095-4896-A8EB-A993424EBE2B@bnj.com> The first time I drove a TR3 on a race track I was certain something was broken in the front suspension. In some ways Peyote is worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). If you insist on a car that behaves in a turn then it's not for you. But once you have the "gathering up" drill down pat it's both fun and fast. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly like a... > uh... like a > TR-3...! > > Safety FasTR > Glen > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 15:42:05 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:42:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <15446187-1095-4896-A8EB-A993424EBE2B@bnj.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E4A@server.Triumph.local> The "gathering up drill" is a good way to phrase the difference between the 3 and my 4. The 3 takes a good deal more effort, but it seems so... so... so right! > -----Original Message---- > > The first time I drove a TR3 on a race track I was certain > something was broken in the front suspension. In some ways > Peyote is worse (or better, depending on your viewpoint). If > you insist on a car that behaves in a turn then it's not for > you. But once you have the "gathering up" drill down pat it's > both fun and fast. > > Bill Babcock > > > On Mar 19, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Fubog1 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/19/2007 12:07:40 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > tlizzard at msn.com writes: > > Another cut down door convert. MUHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! > > > > yes Henry quickly learned that a TR-3 drives exactly > like a... uh... like a > TR-3...! > > Safety FasTR > Glen From JFrymark at aol.com Mon Mar 19 16:03:53 2007 From: JFrymark at aol.com (JFrymark at aol.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:03:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Great Invention Message-ID: Personally, I'm going to wait for the garage model that can also toss me the correct sized wrench. www.metacafe.com./watch/445498/robotic_beer_launching_refrigerator/ John Frymark ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 19 17:29:47 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re: Press Release - First Annual Triumph Bash - April Spring Tune-up and Race Days Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070319182928.01ea6b20@blacksburg.net> Amici, I shared this with John Macartney, who worked at ST. Here's his funny reply: >Hi, Jim > >What a great story! I can't say I ever met Martha or even knew of >her existence, but she must have done a good job :) > >Two little points that may be worthy of 'modification.' > >The reference to "Sir John" presumably means Sir John Black, ST's >CEO. As production finally concluded at Coventry in the 1980's, I >guess it must have been his ghost in a manly presence because he >died in 1965, eleven years after being ousted in 1954 in a >management coup. Clearly, paradise must have fed him well to put on >so much weight, because as a very enthusiastic skier and fitness >freak, I doubt he carried any excess weight at all during his mortal >coil. At least, those are my own memories of him because I have many >pictures of him. > >Perhaps a suitable runner-up prize could be named after Mrs. Dolly >Hicks, the Head Driver of the Sales and Parts Divisions tea trolley? >Dolly always had a friendly greeting for everyone that was mostly >suffixed with "you miserable shit" but she also had a great gift in >making the best fried bacon and egg buns I've ever tasted!! > >Have a great time racing > >Cheers, John -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 19 16:47:55 2007 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:47:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E40@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: <45FF131B.1010900@141.com> > Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the great work. > > Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! > Hmm, now I know why Henry wanted Ernie to haul my TR3 back to Wisconsin. Henry, weren't you the one that told me not to buy a TR3 because of how badly they handled on the track and that I should buy a TR4 instead because they handled like a proper race car should?! Brad 1957 TR3 vintage race car (which will be staying in Arkansas where it belongs) From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Mar 19 16:55:58 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:55:58 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 In-Reply-To: <45FF131B.1010900@141.com> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD4042E50@server.Triumph.local> Don't remember that... :-) Brad, I never took you for somebody who believed everything you heard! Henry Frye Triumph Technology Consultants 860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Kahler [mailto:brad.kahler at 141.com] > Sent: March 19, 2007 6:48 PM > To: Henry Frye > Cc: fot at Autox.Team.Net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Sebring 12 Hour, part 2 > > > > > > Mike, thanks for the opportunity, Glen thanks for all the > great work. > > > > Now I need to find me a TR3 racecar. That was serious fun! > > > > Hmm, now I know why Henry wanted Ernie to haul my TR3 back to > Wisconsin. > > Henry, weren't you the one that told me not to buy a TR3 > because of how badly they handled on the track and that I > should buy a TR4 instead because they handled like a proper > race car should?! > > Brad > 1957 TR3 vintage race car > (which will be staying in Arkansas where it belongs) From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 19 17:01:35 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Message-ID: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Mon Mar 19 17:38:58 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:38:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: Everyone, OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical questions for our engines. As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP (mostly Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything rated 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph engines. It seems that we have little in the way of choice: Three companies products keep coming up: A) Amsoil B) Redline C) Valvoline These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. such as: A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV855) C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or $40/gallon. Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive on hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the quality/capability/worth of any of these products? Do tell. Best Regards to all Leon F Guyot http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From grandwazoo at earthlink.net Mon Mar 19 17:54:53 2007 From: grandwazoo at earthlink.net (Mike Jackson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:54:53 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Message-ID: <27309144.1174348493183.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Thanks Kas! I take that as satisfactory justification for my driving style. Mike Jackson -----Original Message----- >From: Kas Kastner >Sent: Mar 19, 2007 7:01 PM >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars > >I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, >throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back >in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in >the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the >passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Mar 19 17:59:33 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:59:33 GMT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: <20070319.160008.18248.2212978@webmail05.nyc.untd.com> Joe Gibbs oils are made specifically for flat tappet motors as well. Price is similar to Redline. Joe(B) -- Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: Everyone, OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical questions for our engines. As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP (mostly Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything rated 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph engines. It seems that we have little in the way of choice: Three companies products keep coming up: A) Amsoil B) Redline C) Valvoline These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. such as: A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV855) C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or $40/gallon. Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive on hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the quality/capability/worth of any of these products? Do tell. Best Regards to all Leon F Guyot http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 19 18:08:45 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:08:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars References: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243D9@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> My dad used to say you had to drive TR3s a little like you are on a dirt track - this is the first time it made sense to me in a world where we are told if you are sideways you are slow... M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Mon 3/19/2007 7:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 18:23:19 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:23:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] robots and shredders(no lbc) Message-ID: <000e01c76a85$fbf39df0$dec53f18@alex> my son like beer just as much as the rest of us and passed these of to me from you tube. Shredders- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZDngpTmpzQ&mode=related&search= Robots- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOCmoYU6h1Q From jibjib at att.net Mon Mar 19 18:44:00 2007 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:44:00 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? In-Reply-To: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> References: <009c01c76a4d$3e300930$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Message-ID: <003001c76a88$dade80a0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion> Scott, Start here: http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/board/viewtopic.php?id=13795 I'm leaning towards the Vredestein Sprint+ for my AutoX/Street, 60 spoked TR3A, but am wondering about the group's opinion of the Hoosier Speedster on the street. Jack -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:37 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Street Tires for a TR4? To all you TR4 owners who still have one you run on the street - I am looking for tire recommendations. I am not trying to win shows, but want a tire that will allow me to have some fun within the limits allowed by the 60 spoke wires and a stock suspension. Any suggestions? From dave at microworks.net Mon Mar 19 20:21:01 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:21:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Stupid and Dangerous Message-ID: <20070320023040.NGNO18070.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Sure hope the guy doesn't lose control and roll the thing. The top of his head is as high as the top of the roll hoop in this ex-Jag F1 car. http://www.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0702_f1_driving_experience_photo_gallery/photo_01.html From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Mon Mar 19 20:54:35 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:54:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil References: Message-ID: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > Everyone, > > OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. > > We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical > questions > for our engines. > > As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP > (mostly > Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. > > The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything > rated > 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. > > SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph > engines. > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline > > These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. > > such as: > > A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) > > B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. > > C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code > VV855) > > C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) > > So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they > commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. > > They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the > synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or > $40/gallon. > > Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive > on > hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. > > Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the > quality/capability/worth > of any of these products? > > Do tell. > > Best Regards to all > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Mar 20 06:58:12 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:58:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Don carter -- Message-ID: <200703201258.l2KCwIY1258271@ns3.geneseo.net> Don, please contact me by email again -- I accidentally lost your message after reading it and I'll respond if I can get your email address uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From don at carterdesignassociates.com Tue Mar 20 12:09:13 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:09:13 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars In-Reply-To: <007e01c76a7a$8b6d29d0$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <000001c76b1a$debeb3b0$38e8a8c0@DWC> Kas, could you enlighten us on "how to drive a TR-IRS car FAST", and have the most fun? Or is that two different answers? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From doddk at mossmotors.com Tue Mar 20 12:18:46 2007 From: doddk at mossmotors.com (Dodd, Kelvin) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-3 cars In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0C0C4FA8@kb1.mossmotors.com> I beg the group's indulgence for a moment of reminiscence. Early on when I was dating the lady who is now my now wife, she borrowed a friend's TR3 so we could go on a long distance rally put on by the Northern Cal Morgan club. This was about 7 years ago. I drove about 700 miles that weekend, having a lot of fun and the car hit the ton a few times. Being a long time MGB owner, I drove smoothly and quickly hitting perfect apexes and congratulating myself on my driving skill. At the end of the weekend I drove off Highway 1 onto the narrow, twisty road leading to the ranch house where my lady lived. She asked if she could take the wheel and finish the drive home. We took off in a roar, and the tail of the car never pointed in the same direction as the front for the next 5 miles. She stopped at her house, smiled at me and stated "That's how you drive a Triumph!". This morning I posted Kas's response below to her, with the comment that "He drives just like you". Her response was.... "Of course, I learned it from him!" Kas. I'd like to say thank you. I don't think you have any idea how many people you have influenced over the years. Kelvin Dodd, very happy husband of Debbie Gomez, ex Greg Solo's Engine Room employee. From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Mon 3/19/2007 7:01 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ From cak at dimebank.com Tue Mar 20 12:40:22 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: <200703201840.l2KIeM5r031941@moose.dimebank.com> > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline Castrol GTX 20W50 should be on your list for street-driven Triumphs. It's been a fine choice for years, and still is, and the "High Mileage" version might even be a little better. Please go and read http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html and look at the table of oil analysis. Best, chris From kaskas at cox.net Tue Mar 20 13:03:45 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars References: <000001c76b1a$debeb3b0$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <00c901c76b22$7c35cff0$690fc548@RWKastner> My experiences with the IRS TR-4 were on race tires, BUT, I always liked a car that oversteered just a bit, never understeer. This allowed the toss it into the corner routine, let the slide slow you enough to make it the late late apex. I never found that I could get enough stick to DRIVE through the corners and do all that smooth business. I can remember listening to some of the guys saying how they clipped the apex within a couple inches every around and how wonderful it was to be smooth, of course they failed to mention they were over a second slow. My theory for fast laps is: you have two pedals, one of which should be full on most of the time, that is, the brake or the gas. But with that style of driving it is best have an understanding tire sponsor. I was always hard on the tires and easy on the brakes. It was kind of fun too 'cause most folks really didn't want to go side by side with this really wide TR. Adjustable 5/16" rear bar & 11/16" front bar and about 1.5 negative rear camber did the number just fine in most tracks for the IRS car. I don't that has changed much. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Carter To: 'Kas Kastner' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:09 AM Subject: RE: [Fot] Tr-3 cars Kas, could you enlighten us on "how to drive a TR-IRS car FAST", and have the most fun? Or is that two different answers? Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Kas Kastner Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:02 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 cars I always as thought the way to drive a TR-3 FAST was to stand on brakes HARD, throw it sideways into the corner to finish the braking job and then get back in it HARD. That is my favorite style of driving and it worked really well in the TR-3. I called it driving "over the door", either looking over the passenger door, or the drivers door, in every corner. Pure fun. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Smart Label.lnk] From triosan at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 14:14:33 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:14:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR PI conversion picutes Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> I have posted and annotated several pictures of my PI installation on my TR250 [now TR%?] race car. You can view and read at: http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TR250ToTR5PIParts You can post comments on the pictures if you like. In will be glad to review any comments and answer any questions. Now I jst have to get the timing corect and see if it starts. If so, then I need to read the airfuel mixture to see where I am for mixture control. Expect the mechanical throtlle pedal driven mixture control unit cam and cam follower will need adjusting to get to optimum. -- Chuck Arnold From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 20 19:32:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:32:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR PI conversion picutes In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8cbd782d0703201314s2a950542o716257242e0870b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A7E3E9F-6CB5-47B3-8D66-C3A635833588@bnj.com> Very pretty. Can't wait to see it in person. With that location I assume you have a solenoid valve on the Accusump. Be sure you install a manual switch to leave it closed if you need to. Some folks rely on the ignition switch to control the accusump. That's fine for closing the valve and maintaining pressure in the accusump when you shut the engine off, but things happen and you can wind up with it de- pressurized. In that case you don't want it drawing away the lion's share of the oil coming out of the pump, robbing the engine of oil during the critical warm up period to fill the accusump back up. If you have a separate switch you can flick it off and on once the engine is warmed up and slowly rob oil to get the accusump full and pressurized again. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Chuck Arnold wrote: > I have posted and annotated several pictures of my PI installation > on my > TR250 [now TR%?] race car. You can view and read at: > http://picasaweb.google.com/Triosan/TR250ToTR5PIParts > > You can post comments on the pictures if you like. In will be glad > to review any comments and answer any questions. Now I jst have to > get the > timing corect and see if it starts. If so, then I need to read the > airfuel > mixture to see where I am for mixture control. Expect the mechanical > throtlle pedal driven mixture control unit cam and cam follower > will need > adjusting to get to optimum. > -- > Chuck Arnold > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 21 12:07:40 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:07:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 Message-ID: In a message dated 3/21/2007 10:00:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, fot-request at autox.team.net writes: > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:40:22 -0700 (PDT) > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > To: fot at autox.team.net > Message-ID: <200703201840.l2KIeM5r031941 at moose.dimebank.com> > > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > > > A) Amsoil > > > > B) Redline > > > > C) Valvoline > > Castrol GTX 20W50 should be on your list for street-driven Triumphs. > It's been a fine choice for years, and still is, and the "High > Mileage" version might even be a little better. > > Please go and read > > http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html > > and look at the table of oil analysis. > > Best, > chris > Nice one Chris, You found the webs pages that I found yesterday! This is the best, and most informed article that I have yet seen. Best Regards Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Wed Mar 21 22:41:21 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:41:21 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Triton V8 connecting rods Message-ID: <000001c76c3c$571ffc20$8220b348@blake1> Christian Marx I heard you are using the Ford rods in your TR. Can you tell me what you did? Thanks, Greg From awashatko at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 22 06:17:12 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:17:12 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Spun Aluminum Headlight Covers Message-ID: Anybody need a pair of spun aluminum headlight covers slightly used? If so, please contact me off line. Thanks, Allen Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 22 18:04:13 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:04:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph Message-ID: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> From: The Motorsport Collector THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes 300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. LeMans 1960 - No less than 12 works Ferraris led the charge against the beautiful Birdcage Maserati and Briggs Cunningham's Corvette. 24 minutes. Triumph at LeMans 1961 - Triumph took the team prize for the second straight year with their team of experimental TRs as Hill and Gendebien took the overall win for Ferrari. Historic footage of Jim Clark in the Border Reivers Aston Martin, which led part of the race. 35 minutes. TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 1 HOUR 18 MINUTES $45.00 In case anyone hasn't seen this. . . Bill From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Mar 22 17:11:48 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:11:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph Message-ID: Boy that seems worthwhile! Thanks Bill! > From: The Motorsport Collector > > THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD > >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and > remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of > Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: > LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history > because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes > 300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving > Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. > From dave at microworks.net Thu Mar 22 20:57:14 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:57:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Le Mans DVD W/Triumph In-Reply-To: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> References: <20070322.170413.-202869.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: <20070323030328.XTJD1312.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I saw the email from them announcing this. Their website sure makes it difficult to trust that an order will be for what you want. At 05:04 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: >From: The Motorsport Collector > >THE BEST OF LeMANS - DVD > >From the producers of Motorfilms Quarterly, three completely restored and >remastered full color (or colour) promotional films from the archives of >Standard Triumph chronocling the 1955, 1960 and 1961 24 Hours of LeMans: >LeMans 1955 - Perhaps the most infamous sports car race in history >because of the crash that killed 80+ spectators. The Fangio/Moss Mercedes >300SLR led early but was withdrawn after Levegh's fatal accident, giving >Jaguar a 1-2-3 finish with their new D-type. 19 minutes. > >LeMans 1960 - No less than 12 works Ferraris led the charge against the >beautiful Birdcage Maserati and Briggs Cunningham's Corvette. 24 minutes. > >Triumph at LeMans 1961 - Triumph took the team prize for the second >straight year with their team of experimental TRs as Hill and Gendebien >took the overall win for Ferrari. Historic footage of Jim Clark in the >Border Reivers Aston Martin, which led part of the race. 35 minutes. > >TOTAL RUNNING TIME: 1 HOUR 18 MINUTES $45.00 >In case anyone hasn't seen this. . . >Bill >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Mar 23 09:54:30 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:54:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From DSPGTi at aol.com Fri Mar 23 10:11:18 2007 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:11:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: That event would be enough motivation for me to finally get my TR4 project done and get an SVRA license. If it's true I'll be there. Dave Y. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Fri Mar 23 10:19:09 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:19:09 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820884A877@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I would make the trip from Texas. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DSPGTi at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:11 AM To: JWoesvra at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature That event would be enough motivation for me to finally get my TR4 project done and get an SVRA license. If it's true I'll be there. Dave Y. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Fri Mar 23 11:16:44 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:16:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I heard a rumour that Triumph was going to be the featured marque at Mosport in 2008 as well....don't know how to confirm that though. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: March 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From bivanyshyn at CRMCanada.com Fri Mar 23 11:20:39 2007 From: bivanyshyn at CRMCanada.com (Bruce Ivanyshyn) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:20:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: <3D8496924CBDC44480DAB65778844D9D7A8E01@crm-dc01.crmcanada.com> Give me a couple of weeks. I am with VARAC and they are publishing a magazine that may contain that information Bruce -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul MacDonald Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 1:17 PM To: JWoesvra at aol.com; N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature I heard a rumour that Triumph was going to be the featured marque at Mosport in 2008 as well....don't know how to confirm that though. Paul -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: March 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net; Jensen87 at aol.com Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 23 11:42:42 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] (no subject) Message-ID: <790927.4768.qm@web81215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You don't have to like Shell or use their fuel to enjoy this! TURN THE VOLUME UP! http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fri Mar 23 12:01:20 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Turn it up! Message-ID: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Group: My first link came through with some added spaces. This one should work. Thanks - Ed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc From herald948 at aol.com Fri Mar 23 12:11:21 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C93B8DCB6D87F6-814-D32B@WEBMAIL-RD17.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? ==AM== It would be more like the 85th anniversary, as Triumph automobiles date from 1923. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 23 12:12:07 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:12:07 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Turn it up! In-Reply-To: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <180616.12982.qm@web81213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1B22B8DB-8F5B-45FE-B071-BD2739D7DB18@bnj.com> I put a copy of this video on my All Aluminum Tour blog yesterday. It's very cool. Very, very cool. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:01 AM, EDWARD BARNARD wrote: > Group: My first link came through with some added spaces. This one > should work. Thanks - Ed > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Fri Mar 23 12:27:35 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:27:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23E69E9D-5B43-42D3-8F3F-67F9EB9F17BA@bnj.com> It's sounds great, though it's certainly not Triumph's 75 anniversary. I wish they were doing it this year--it would be a nice element for the All Aluminum Tour. The theory is that next year will be All Aluminum Europe (though we'll see how that pans out, it might be All Aluminum Divorce Court) It's hard to say how old Triumph is. If you go by the continuous history of the entity (which is the usual approach) it started in 1897 as the Triumph Cycle Company, making bicycles, which makes it 110 this year. Motorized vehicle production started in 1902 as Triumph Motor Cycles and the first car, the 10/20 was built in 1921. None of those dates yields 75 years in 2008 (1933). The only date NEAR 1933 that I can find is the company changed it's name to Triumph Motor Company in 1930. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 23, 2007, at 5:54 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > Joe, > > We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen > International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the > featured marque in 2008 > for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has > selected > Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > > If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > > Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 23 13:15:36 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:15:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: Jack Woehrle wrote: >We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured >marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. That would be enough for me to get my car ready by then! Shane Ingate in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Its tax season, make sure to follow these few simple tips http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMMartagline From jsnook at wcnet.org Fri Mar 23 13:25:43 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <008901c76d81$0d23fea0$6501a8c0@JeffSnook> Joe, Jack, Carl, et al., I would certainly take my TR3 to the Glen next year for a special Zippo Triumph feature event. Who cares what anniversary they are celebrating! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; Jensen87 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 AM Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From alfetta95 at optonline.net Fri Mar 23 13:35:59 2007 From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:35:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack et al, I'm in! That, along with the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix stuff I was hearing here is motivation enough. I did the Alfa Romeo event at the Glen, GREAT TIME! SVRA puts on a fantastic event. Might even sell the Alfa to free up funds for the TR3A!! Todd Redmond ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 am Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature To: N197TR4 at cs.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net, Jensen87 at aol.com > Joe, > > We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen > International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the > featured marque in 2008 > for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has > selected > Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > > If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > > Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email > to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sgroh1 at comcast.net Fri Mar 23 15:53:33 2007 From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:53:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <000701c76d95$b49d9790$6601a8c0@steven2sbouwlk> Jack, count me and the ex-Manning 63 Spitfire in! THANKS! Steven Groh ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature > Jack et al, > > I'm in! That, along with the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix stuff I was > hearing here is motivation enough. I did the Alfa Romeo event at the > Glen, GREAT TIME! SVRA puts on a fantastic event. Might even sell the > Alfa to free up funds for the TR3A!! > > Todd Redmond > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JWoesvra at aol.com > Date: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:54 am > Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature > To: N197TR4 at cs.com > Cc: fot at autox.team.net, Jensen87 at aol.com > >> Joe, >> >> We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >> International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the >> featured marque in 2008 >> for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has >> selected >> Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? >> >> If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. >> >> Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. >> >> Jack Woehrle >> >> >> >> ************************************** AOL now offers free email >> to everyone. >> Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Mar 23 16:27:35 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:27:35 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2007 2:25:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jsnook at wcnet.org writes: I would certainly take my TR3 to the Glen next year for a special Zippo Triumph feature event. Who cares what anniversary they are celebrating! It is a done deal since y'all have shown such overwhelming interest. Now come up with an excuse for the press release! Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From SpiwakD at aol.com Fri Mar 23 17:17:14 2007 From: SpiwakD at aol.com (SpiwakD at aol.com) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:17:14 EDT Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature Message-ID: The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course and celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely overbooks this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race you have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap races due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From DonMarshall at nefcom.net Fri Mar 23 18:13:57 2007 From: DonMarshall at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:13:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roebling Rd crew slots Message-ID: <009501c76da9$518d16d0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> Is anyone going to Savannah next weekend for the SVRA event? I won't be racing but I'd like to bring son James and a friend up to watch. If anyone has any vacant crew slots (I need 3 total) you wouldn't mind signing us up for I'd appreciate it. Naturally, I'm willing to pay the overcrew fee if necessary and will even do actual crew duty if anyone is foolish enough to let me touch anything. Thanks, Don From joeg at neb.rr.com Fri Mar 23 19:21:36 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c76db2$c4807e30$7701a8c0@Guinan> Way cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc Joe Guinan Fremont, NE From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 24 02:18:38 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 03:18:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Low cost rods Message-ID: <200703240818.l2O8IipF310502@ns3.geneseo.net> I am almost ready to market sets of rods for the TR2 - 4A engines. I'd like to determine the level of interest so I can estimate inventory level to carry. Here's the deal: 4 Chevy rods, currently used in engines up to 850 hp Forged, 4380 steel Same length as TR rods, so you use your current pistons Re-bushed upper ends for stock TR pins, using proper grade of bronze Spacers for upper ends to center the rods, 6061-T1 aluminum Bottom ends modified so they go through the sleeves ARP 7/16" bolts Allows the use of modern high quality, low friction rod bearings To use these, you use .020 under Chev rod bearings, and you grind the crank .006" undersize, and you may have to relieve block slightly for clearance. Rods are 30 grams lighter than all available aftermarket rods. Current prices on Carillos is $1100 - and Saenz, Cunningham, and {auter are all $700 - $800 Target price for my kit of rods and spacers is $500 and I'm trying to lower that. So you get stronger, lighter rods, at a lower price. Would you be interested in purchasing a set of rods like this? If so, please email me off line. Thanks. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 04:16:19 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:16:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Low cost rods Message-ID: Uncle Jack wrote: >I am almost ready to market sets of rods for the TR2 - 4A engines. Rods are >30 grams lighter than all available aftermarket rods. The Carillos for my TR6 weighed in at 443g (compared with ~660g stock). If the Chebby rods are around the 415g mark, that is a huge difference? How much work is required to develop similar rods for the 6-pot motors? Shane Ingate, heading to Summit Pt today _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Mar 24 05:57:05 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:57:05 EDT Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SpiwakD at aol.com writes: The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course and celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely overbooks this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race you have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap races due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort to successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people who attend. We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest vintage event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have time to do all of them anyway. If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow from Texas of California just for that? Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sat Mar 24 06:40:03 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <003d01c76e11$8c3177a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> For my part I am going to do Watkins Glen at some point whether it is next year or not so a Triumph feature just adds to the motivation. It is on my list of tracks I want to get to someday. It is not all about track time. The event itself and the track are the draw. I get plenty of track time here at home. Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zippo feature > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course > and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort > to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people > who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest > vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have > time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow > from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 09:07:22 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 05:07:22 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Zippo feature NOW Laps per Dollar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D3BB20B-683B-4AA1-860E-03663449F74C@bnj.com> This is no surprise to me, I generally run Monterey and the Country every year. Great events, but if you're looking for laps per dollar, you're better off in a local SCCA vintage grid--or even more so a local club track day. I enjoy the social and event aspects of the big events I DO think that there's much too much fiddling around between sessions, and organizations running big events fiddle more than most. Here's some suggestions: There's too much focus on getting broken cars back to the paddock. If they're in a safe place, let them sit until there's enough time. I know that's frustrating for ONE person but you have forty cars on the grid--do the math. if everyone knows the rules then so what. Get the cars on a five minute on the last lap of the previous group's race. You can switch to a hold if something happens. Thump novices if they pull their cars off into an unsafe place. Experienced drivers too, but most of the really bozo parking I've seen is newbies. Tell them NOT to nurse it back to the paddock and show them all the places they can get to that are safe and that won't stop the race. For that matter, a bozo off to the side of the track but still on the surface is a local yellow, not full course. Even if the bozo is me. If he's on the apex, well that's different. But he'd better have locked brakes. Half hour for lunch. Want to do an on track photo session for the featured marque? How about after the track closes. The light is more dramatic anyway. Track parades, who needs 'em. Bunch of twidgets and their leaky cars. I hate getting on track in the first group after a track parade. these guys have antifreeze in their radiators. I will however, gladly stand down and watch with thrilled attention anytime someone wants to let Sir Stirling Moss, Phil Hill, Jack Brabham, Pete Lovely, Dan Gurney, Mario Andretti, or any other of the real racers do a couple of laps Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 1:57 AM, JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road > course and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest > Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and > three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is > the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special > effort to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to > people who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, > you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the > biggest vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not > have time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you > tow from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 09:29:15 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:29:15 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris From cak at dimebank.com Sat Mar 24 10:15:13 2007 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 steering stop? Message-ID: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> I've made some front end changes that lead me to worry about interference and full lock and full droop. I'd like to add a simple stop to limit the amount of lock, just a bit. The 4A has this built in on the vertical link, but the GT6 doesn't seem to have anything. Ideas for adding something would be most welcome. Thanks, chris From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Wed Mar 14 10:02:24 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:02:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor Message-ID: My humblest apologies for being off topic here, but... I just had to share this horrible experience! My '97 Toyota 4Runner SR5, (family vehicle) decided yesterday, (my only day off this week), that it's starter motor had done enough strating, (at 102,000 miles). Lots of clicking, not much else. It happened in a parking lot of a shopping center, (built on an Indian burial gound, so considered a jinxed place by locals)... I also had my 16= year old daughter with me, who was bitching that her day was now ruined, because she couldn't get to the Mall to shop - it was all of tw blocks away! No comment. Anyhoo, I called Cingular, with whom I was supposed to have breakdown cover for the last year, and was informed that I had no such cover on my account, even though I had asked for it when the account was set-up! So, I had to call my wife, to come tow me with her '86 Ford Econoline camper van. She borrowed a rather secondhand tow rope from our circuit racer neighbour, who informed her that towing with a rope was illegal in Oregon? After an 'interesting' 6 mile tow, to a friend's shop, during which the rope only snapped one time, (at a busy and dangerous intersection, naturally), when I very quickly called into play my boy scout knot tying skills...we made it, without being arrested. note that automatic SUV's with power braking and power steering, are VERY tough to brake and steer, without power! Anyhoo, when my friends saw the ensemble of '86 Econoline towing '97 4Runner, they responded with "you might be a redneck if", very funny! We first disconnected the battery, and luckily I had one of those handy-dandy computer memory keeper thingys that plugs into the cigarette lighter - and it worked - otherwise I would be paying the local Toyota dealer $45 to reset the radio code, which I do not have, and yes it does work! So to remove the starter, Messrs Chiltons encouraged us to "disconnect wires, unbolt starter and pull forward towards front of vehicle to remove from vehicle." Oh yeah? The front driveshafts were in the way, so that part of the manual must be referring to the 2WD version. The starter bolts came out easily enough, as did the heavy wire, although the plastic clip attaching the small wire is the work of satan himself, heat hardened due to the proximity of the exhaust, covered in oil/grease/dirt and designed in the true fashion of the ancient Chinese puzzle, also at arms length and almost inaccesible. But the real fun was yet to come. That increasingly heavy, and at arms length, starter motor was not coming out via any of the very small access holes, at any angle or direction. We removed the two 'skid plates', still no go, and eventually figured out that we would have to remove the long thin pipe for the ATF dipstick, which is, (of course), welded to the ATF pan, which cannot itself be removed, without first draining the ATF and at least half removing the hefty front Anti-sway bar, then disconnecting the pipes to the power steering. Nice design Toyota, most impressive. note that the bolts for the anti-sway bar are welded underneath with the nuts on top, and that the bolts closest to the exhaust downpipe/cat are cooked and rusted... One of those had to meet the BFH and then we had to snap it off in the bracket, later drilling out the remains, just to remove it. Now my starter motor is in for a rebuild, and the transmission is getting new filter and gasket, and the anti-sway bar link on the other side is getting replaced - we discovered it was in poor condition - That little lot took roughly 4 hours, and my hands still ache. Not looking forward to putting it all back together. I am grateful that we were able to avoid a hefty towing charge and dealer bills for the work. I think what really bothers me most is the complete lack of decent servicing design by Toyota, and the almost useless Chiltons Manual. Never mind, at least I stil have the '86 Econoline to go to work today and tomorrow! Triumph design rules! Take care out there Leon http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 10:27:53 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:27:53 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads In-Reply-To: <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite > example of US > music played in England somewhere in the woods. > Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a > very fast TR 4 > racer. > > If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! > > Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 > > > Cheers > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 10:30:23 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:30:23 -1000 Subject: [Fot] GT6 steering stop? In-Reply-To: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> References: <200703241615.l2OGFDOs006395@moose.dimebank.com> Message-ID: Might be fairly easy to add a stop on the rack. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > I've made some front end changes that lead me to worry about > interference > and full lock and full droop. I'd like to add a simple stop to limit > the amount of lock, just a bit. > > The 4A has this built in on the vertical link, but the GT6 doesn't > seem > to have anything. Ideas for adding something would be most welcome. > > Thanks, > chris > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Mar 24 10:49:42 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:49:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor References: Message-ID: Typically about this mileage the Toyota starters will start to "click" instead of "start". I have rarely ever seen one that needed more than a new set of copper contacts in the solenoid. About $14 worth of parts. At the previous shop I worked for we repaired hundreds of them just this way, and they would go another 100,000 miles. The Denso starter is a very good piece of kit. Of course the dealer would always try to sell our customers a new starter for $350+. We made a lot of good long term customers because of this. Terry Stetler From Fubog1 at aol.com Sat Mar 24 11:00:08 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:00:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2007 11:17:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes: Triumph design rules! .... yeah they (real TRs) have hand cranks.... Safety FasTR Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 24 11:19:58 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 17:19:58 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think In-Reply-To: <000c01c76db2$c4807e30$7701a8c0@Guinan> Message-ID: M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M! Now that's Italian! (Hannibal Lechter slurpy sounds) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Joe Guinan" >To: >Subject: [Fot] Shell Ferrari link repaired... I think >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0600 > >Way cool... > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1EQBVA2Lc > > >Joe Guinan >Fremont, NE >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 12:48:34 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:48:34 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 24 13:00:15 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Shameless plug: Tilton flywheel and two plate clutch for TR3 / TR4 on e-bay Message-ID: <20070324195958.A7734187A2C@autox.team.net> E-bay motors listing number 250097971114. Used, excellent working condition. Hate to sell it, but I'm not going to use it. - Tony Drews From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 13:10:06 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:10:06 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Big orchestra in 4/4 measure...played in Manhattan and Monaco References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> Message-ID: <002601c76e48$0ad4b000$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Got these link the other day.....will make you nippy and wetten your eyes. http://www.partizan.com/partizan/media/clips/729.mov From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 24 13:56:34 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:56:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> Message-ID: <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> I've known lots of people that count the same way. AND, so does a neighbor. You do a terrific job and you are NOT an underground member. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Marx Christian tr4-racing To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Sat Mar 24 14:01:50 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads References: <001a01c75ea7$7acbbb70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><006a01c76e29$2f6d8690$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><888B07F9-333E-48C2-8E04-29579904B1E0@bnj.com> <001401c76e45$07811f90$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> <004301c76e4e$86e6b700$690fc548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <004501c76e4f$430b6340$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9> I am sorry to say but I am still off list and get no FOT news since the FOT crash.....so I feel doomed to the underground. ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: Marx Christian tr4-racing ; Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads I've known lots of people that count the same way. AND, so does a neighbor. You do a terrific job and you are NOT an underground member. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Marx Christian tr4-racing To: Bill Babcock Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads My english IS spotty but thank you for that Bill. Maybe I had a bright moment because I was delighted by the sound video. Nevertheless I get better in writing English but you better pray for that you never hear me speak....terrible. If I count it sounds like this: One, two, tree, four..... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Marx Christian tr4-racing Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Pure American symphony played on English roads Hey, I thought your english was supposed to be spotty, and here you write the coolest subject line I've seen in a long time. That video is remarkable, clearly an accident, but the reflection on the trunk and the engine sounds are all a motorhead needs to understand and FEEL the story. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:29 AM, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: As an underground member of FOT I want to deliver an exquisite example of US music played in England somewhere in the woods. Conductor of this original sounds of the West is Jon Ellison, a very fast TR 4 racer. If you ever wanted to buy new PC loudspeakers...this is you chance! Send mum away, play loud, sit back and enjoy: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-346233984350591650 Cheers Chris _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sat Mar 24 14:23:28 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:23:28 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Other Glen Track time besides Zippo feature References: Message-ID: <003001c76e52$48850800$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> Those of you looking for track time at the Glen may want to consider the Oct 19-20th VRG event on a Friday- Saturday. VRG is sharing the weekend with another group that is using the track only on Sunday. Planning on three events a day for each race group, $350 for the weekend. VRG is the same group that is running the Beaverun event the weekend before the Pittsburgh Grand Prix. My (limited) experience has been that they have lots of track time and mostly small bore (displacement, that is) participants. www.vrgonline.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Zippo feature > In a message dated 3/23/2007 6:17:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > SpiwakD at aol.com writes: > > The Zippo is a fun event and includes a tour of the original road course > and > > celebrations in the town. Be advised, however, that SVRA severely > overbooks > this event every year. Expect short sessions and the shortest Sunday race > you > have ever run. Those of us who are regulars have seen two and three-lap > races > due to too many classes on the schedule. Unfortunately, this is the norm. > > > In years past what David has said is true. We have made a special effort > to > successfully correct this recently. Check the results and speak to people > who > attend. > > We have also extended this to a full 4-day event. As the feature, you will > get an extra race and perhaps an extra practice session. > > However, the main thing about the Zippo is being part of the biggest > vintage > event in the USA. There are so many activities that you will not have > time > to do all of them anyway. > > If you just want track time you should go to Beaver Run. Would you tow > from > Texas of California just for that? > > Jack Woehrle > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Mar 24 14:36:23 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:36:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it "not street legal". Have the EPA feds started to pass judgement on motor oil use? You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would anyne know what motor oil we use. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "BOB KRAMER" To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil >I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count > cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a > quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". > > > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM > Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > > >> Everyone, >> >> OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil issue. >> >> We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical >> questions >> for our engines. >> >> As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP >> (mostly >> Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. >> >> The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything >> rated >> 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. >> >> SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph >> engines. >> >> It seems that we have little in the way of choice: >> >> Three companies products keep coming up: >> >> A) Amsoil >> >> B) Redline >> >> C) Valvoline >> >> These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. >> >> such as: >> >> A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) >> >> B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. >> >> C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code >> VV855) >> >> C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, >> (code >> VV851) >> >> So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are they >> commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor factors. >> >> They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of the >> synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or >> $40/gallon. >> >> Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to thrive >> on >> hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. >> >> Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the >> quality/capability/worth >> of any of these products? >> >> Do tell. >> >> Best Regards to all >> >> Leon F Guyot >> >> > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ryoung at navcomtech.com Sat Mar 24 16:31:05 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:31:05 -0800 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it > "not street legal". The zinc and phosphorus used as additives poison the catalytic converter over time. So, ZDDP (which contains both zinc and phosphorous) is being phased out just like TEL was 30 years ago. > You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would > anyne know what motor oil we use. Best not to ask questions when you don't want to hear the answer ! Suffice it to say that the EPA has already established that they are above the law and only lightly bound by the Constitution ... if they want to know what motor oil you're using, they'll find out ! Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name and address in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? Randall From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 18:32:18 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:32:18 -1000 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The big advantage of being regulators instead of lawmakers. The real power in Washington has always been those dull looking folks who stay when the politicians come and go--or unfortunately come and stay. Term limits won't do anything about them. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 24, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Randall wrote: >> You have to wonder just what is it about a motor oil that makes it >> "not street legal". > > The zinc and phosphorus used as additives poison the catalytic > converter over > time. So, ZDDP (which contains both zinc and phosphorous) is being > phased out > just like TEL was 30 years ago. > >> You gotta wonder... More to the point... who cares and how would >> anyne know what motor oil we use. > > Best not to ask questions when you don't want to hear the answer ! > Suffice it > to say that the EPA has already established that they are above the > law and only > lightly bound by the Constitution ... if they want to know what > motor oil you're > using, they'll find out ! > > Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name > and address > in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Mar 24 19:00:15 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 20:00:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Bill Babcock Message-ID: <200703250100.l2P10O4L451868@ns3.geneseo.net> Sorry, listers, but Bill, please send me another message with an email address that works. I can't get through at billb at bnj.com Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From jaboruch at netzero.net Sat Mar 24 21:40:30 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 03:40:30 GMT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to run that weekend. Joe(B) -- JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: Joe, We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque in 2008 for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________ Interested in getting caught up on today's news? Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h tm?csp=24 From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 24 21:49:46 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:49:46 -0500 Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature In-Reply-To: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> References: <20070324.194101.1008.1900180@webmail02.nyc.untd.com> Message-ID: <20070325044930.2DC95187A12@autox.team.net> As a vintage guy, I'd love to see the SCCA Triumphs at this event! I feel we're "unfairly" segregated (NOT pointing a finger at anyone on that). I'm sure some sort of class assignment can be made for the non-Triumph events to make it fair for all. - Tony Drews At 10:40 PM 3/24/2007, Joe Boruch wrote: >I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to >run that weekend. Joe(B) > >-- JWoesvra at aol.com wrote: >Joe, > >We have been asked by Craig Rust, the president of Watkins Glen >International, whether we would consider having Triumph as the featured marque >in 2008 >for the Zippo GP. The downtown festival committee apparently has selected >Triumph based on a 75 year anniversary. Is that actually a fact? > >If so, we (SVRA) would like to do this. > >Your thoughts and also comments from FOT guys. > >Jack Woehrle > > > >************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >Interested in getting caught up on today's news? >Click here to checkout USA TODAY Headlines. >http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?s=198954&u=http://www.usatoday.com/news/front.h >tm?csp=24 >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2143 (20070325) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sat Mar 24 22:19:22 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 21:19:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE Message-ID: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> Friends... I bought the March issue of Classic & Sports Car... the cover article is "All Triumph's TRs: Britain's first family of sports cars: we test the greats from TR2 to TR8". I've gone cover to cover, but I'm not in a collecting mode with these. I'd be happy to pass it along for the cover price, plus shipping. It's still like new. --Justin From JWoesvra at aol.com Sun Mar 25 05:45:22 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:45:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] 2008 Zippo feature Message-ID: In a message dated 3/24/2007 10:42:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jaboruch at netzero.net writes: I would be interested, if SVRA would make an exception for my SCCA EP TR3 to run that weekend. Joe(B) You should send me photos and a Race Car Information Sheet. When we do marque features we will occasionally accept cars from the marque that don't normally meet our vintage regulations. Current SCCA cars are certainly part of the marque history. You would not run with the regular TR3's, however, except in the all-TR race. I would probably have you in a special class in Group 8. You can look that up at _www.svra.com_ (http://www.svra.com) . Jack Woehrle ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 06:09:15 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 08:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil - not street legal - that's a joke Message-ID: Randall Young asked: >Is it true that in some places, you already have to give your name and >address >in order to buy leaded racing fuel ? That is true of EVERY purchase unless you use cash. Shane Ingate, gradually moving off the grid, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. 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A blonde woman came in and asked for a seven-hundred-ten. They all looked at each other, and the Mechanic asked, "What is a seven-hundred-ten?" She replied, "You know, the little piece in the middle of the engine. I lost it and need a new one. It had always been there." The mechanic gave the woman a piece of paper and a pen and asked her to draw what the piece looked like. She drew a circle and in the middle of it wrote 710. He then took her over to another car which had the hood up and asked, "Is there a 710 on this car?" She pointed and said, "Of course, it's right there." Click here to learn the identity of the mysterious 710: www.mademelaugh.com/gfx/710.jpg ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From dave at microworks.net Sun Mar 25 08:44:35 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:44:35 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's Message-ID: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... >Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage photos >from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from the >1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from fan >and racer scrapbooks. > > http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ From billsohl at optonline.net Sun Mar 25 11:21:15 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's In-Reply-To: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <58D5DDA6CC074FB38DCD4CAB1A23C60F@SohlPC> Interesting PIX, the 68 race pictures include the Group 44 TR-250 which was a one year entry by Group 44. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Sun Mar 25 12:31:25 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:31:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <58D5DDA6CC074FB38DCD4CAB1A23C60F@SohlPC> Message-ID: <005901c76f0b$cbe3b610$690fc548@RWKastner> I was back there with the Group 44 guys in about 1966. Rained like the devil. It was the first race for Tony Adamowitz in the groups Spitfire. He won overall. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Sohl To: David W. Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR-250 also Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's Interesting PIX, the 68 race pictures include the Group 44 TR-250 which was a one year entry by Group 44. Cheers, Bill Sohl ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzman at adelphia.net Sun Mar 25 14:31:44 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:31:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland airport. Their leader Dave Williams is a Porsche 944 driver and a real enthusiast. Last June I won their vintage car triathlon in my TR4. 1st in the autox, last in the concours and 2nd in the rally. They are really into the history of the Cumberland airport road races. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's >A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had > been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back > to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. Enjoy... > >>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>photos >>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>the >>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from the >>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>fan >>and racer scrapbooks. >> >> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Sun Mar 25 16:33:14 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything short of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the fan on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term satiation and long term expensive grief. Help!!! M From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 16:54:20 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 15:54:20 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <4606FD9C.5070402@greenheart.com> Mark, It's hardly a case of the "last one holding it gets stuck with the bill" as if I was setting up some sort of evil pyramid scheme. The last one holding it gets to keep it. Some people actually like to be at the end of such a process, they're called "collectors"! No guilt here. It turns out that the buyer was looking for the magazine, so I am doing him a service, with no finder's fee, no hidden handling fees, no mark up, and no hidden agenda. I drove to the store, I bought the magazine with sales tax, I made the post, I fielded the responses, I'll pack the magazine, I'll drive to the post office, and I'll ship the magazine. And he will have it in hands before his check has even been cashed. Did you say I will have read the magazine for "free" as a result of this offer? Once again, no guilt here. I know you're just "joking", but your comment was forwarded to the entire group and, joking or not, it impugned my character, particularly if a reader, possibly like you, didn't consider the other side of the coin. If you had made your comment in private, to me alone, I'd be laughing with you. One should always think twice before hitting that send button, particularly when there's CC's involved. I know I've screwed up by pushing the send button many a time, myself, and I'm sure I'll make similar mistakes in the future, no doubt. (Maybe I'm making a mistake here!) Maybe next time I find a particularly Triumph collectable magazine, I'll wait a few months, and then put it on Ebay. One time I did that when the magazine was still new, and a guy bid it up to $60.00. I felt guilty and wrote the guy, and he said, "No worries! I'm just glad to have found magazine, they're sold-out around here. I'm happy to pay the $60.00." So maybe I should just stick to the profit angle in the future? --Justin (just a little miffed) Mark Hooper wrote: >Meaning you get to read it for free... Musical magazines. The last one holding it gets stuck with the bill. Are you sure you're not channeling Mr. Heaney from Green Acres? :^) > >Mark >(just joking) > >________________________________ > >From: owner-triumphs at autox.team.net on behalf of Justin Wagner >Sent: Sun 25/03/2007 12:19 AM >To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs >Subject: [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE > > > >Friends... > >I bought the March issue of Classic & Sports Car... the cover article is >"All Triumph's TRs: Britain's first family of sports cars: we test the >greats from TR2 to TR8". > >I've gone cover to cover, but I'm not in a collecting mode with these. >I'd be happy to pass it along for the cover price, plus shipping. It's >still like new. > >--Justin From S.Janzen at comcast.net Sun Mar 25 18:44:25 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:44:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <002e01c76f3f$e7bc2b40$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I don't often look at the links people send around - maybe I should - but these are amazing cars and really worth a browse! in 1961, this airport race had Ferraris, Elvas, Oscas, Lotus , Lister, Cunningham, Lolas, Jags, Cobra, Coopers, a Birdcage, Vettes, Sunbeams, an RSK, etc - and the drivers - Penske, Holbert, Hansgren, Tullius - wow! And crowds of people watching, too. Oh, to have a time machine . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stutzman" To: ; "David W. Riddle" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's > the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland > airport. Their leader Dave Williams is a Porsche 944 driver and a real > enthusiast. > Last June I won their vintage car triathlon in my TR4. 1st in the autox, > last in the concours and 2nd in the rally. > They are really into the history of the Cumberland airport road races. > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:44 AM > Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's > > >>A friend forwarded this to me. I would have thought for sure it had >> been on the FOT before but I searched my archive (all FOT mail back >> to 2002) and only found a link to a single picture back in 2004. >> Enjoy... >> >>>Sometime in the last couple weeks, I found this web site with vintage >>>photos >>>from sports car races at the Cumberland (Maryland) Municipal Airport. The >>>500+ photos include some nice Triumphs, even a few Group 44 photos from >>>the >>>1968 races. I enjoyed LBC spotting and watching hairstyles change from >>>the >>>fifties to the sixties. Don't miss the members archives with shots from >>>fan >>>and racer scrapbooks. >>> >>> http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sun Mar 25 20:08:26 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:08:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello All: I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently has Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower the car 2 - 3 inches. I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. Up front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only lower the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and lowering the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs and spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. Gary From timmurph at fastbytes.com Sun Mar 25 20:13:26 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:13:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on and let sit overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an industrial penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Eginton" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short > of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the > fan > on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking > and > big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love > craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented > beverage > before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short > term > satiation and long term expensive grief. > > Help!!! > > M > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Mar 25 20:17:32 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:17:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <01d201c76f4c$ea0d3440$0502a8c0@desktop> Another way to lower the front end without changing the spring rate is to make a spacer to go between the lower arm and the spring pan. You can also reverse the lower arms. Both these changes will give you about 1", depending on what size spacer you use. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 25 20:27:22 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:27:22 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension In-Reply-To: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> At the rear, don't do the longer shackle routine. That causes some weirdness in the rear end geometry. The car will take two distinct arcs through the corner. Put spacers between the axle and the leaf springs and install longer U-bolts instead. I seem to recall something about using an MGB-GT front spring (Moss has those for about $32 / spring), but I'm sure others have more details on that. - Tony At 09:08 PM 3/25/2007, Gary wrote: >Hello All: > >I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently has >Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. >Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower the >car 2 - 3 inches. > >I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. Up >front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only lower >the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB >competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and lowering >the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs and >spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > >Gary >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > >__________ NOD32 2144 (20070325) Information __________ > >This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >http://www.eset.com From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 25 20:40:33 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: Let us not forget The Holy Trinity as it applies to Getting Triumph Bolts Loose: The Hammer The Torch And The Aero Kroil Amen >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short >of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the >fan >on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and >big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love >craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage >before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term >satiation and long term expensive grief. > >Help!!! > >M From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 21:13:10 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:13:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D877@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> <4606FD9C.5070402@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D877@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <46073A46.2090809@greenheart.com> Mark, Apology accepted. I did understand it was said in jest, but I had to say something for the reasons I described. And as I said, I've hit that send button all too quickly myself... many a time. Those who throw stones at glass houses.... Cheers. --Justin Mark Hooper wrote: > Hi Justin: > > I certainly do apologise if I seemed to be impugning your character. > The comment was made entirely in fun. I have only ever heard positive > things about your interest in and contribution to the hobby. I saw a > possiblity for an amusing mis-conception of your offer and took > (perhaps too rapidly) advantage of the opportunity. I was raised in > the British tradition of making pointed comments to those we respect > and saying nothing at all to those we don't. Sometimes it does not > travel well. I am indeed sorry for any stress caused. > > Best regards, > > Mark > > P.S. If it was not for the fact that I have a copy of the magazine in > question, I would buy it myself. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From jmwagner at greenheart.com Sun Mar 25 22:11:07 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] O.T. Poem: Death Is Nothing At All Message-ID: <460747DB.5090203@greenheart.com> Very much O.T. Friends, Back in '98, a neighbor put this on my door when she learned of my father's sudden passing. I just discovered it today amongst some old files (as I try desperately to get myself out from under too much "stuff". Unfortunately, buried in debris, it was out of sight and mind when my mom suddenly passed in 2001. I just sent a copy to my siblings, but thought maybe I should send a copy to you all. At both times, I found a lot of support in the camaraderie of the Triumph newsgroups. Many of you wrote to me of the loss of your own parents, and loved ones. Perhaps this poem will have as much of an affect on you as it has had on me. You may find yourself passing it along to someone else, just as my neighbor had, to help make a difficult time just a bit more bearable. I wish I had had it at my fingertips, over the years since, when others about me have lost loved ones, including members of the newsgroups. --Justin Death Is Nothing At All Death is nothing at all. It does not count. I have only slipped away into the next room. Nothing has happened. Everything remains exactly as it was. I am I, and you are you, and the old life that we lived so fondly together is untouched, unchanged. Whatever we were to each other, that we are still. Call me by the old familiar name. Speak of me in the easy way which you always used. Put no difference into your tone. Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow. Laugh as we always laughed at the little jokes that we enjoyed together. Play, smile, think of me, pray for me. Let my name be ever the household word that it always was. Let it be spoken without an effort, without the ghost of a shadow upon it. Life means all that it ever meant. It is the same as it ever was. There is absolute and unbroken continuity. What is this death but a negligible accident? Why should I be out of mind because I am out of sight? I am but waiting for you, for an interval, somewhere very near, just round the corner. All is well. --Henry Scott Holland January 27, 1847 - March 17, 1918 Canon of St. Paul's Cathedral, London, England From billb at bnj.com Sun Mar 25 23:05:59 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:05:59 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> <000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <2AA84816-6FCE-4ECD-85F5-22E14C093654@bnj.com> Before you round the thing out completely, get a good 1/2" six point impact socket of the right size and use a 1/2" air impact wrench. Soak the nut in penetrating oil, crank the gun to max, and have at it. It might take a lot of cycles cycles, but it will come. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on > and let sit > overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an > industrial > penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Eginton" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking >> and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short >> term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 26 06:56:58 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:56:58 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension In-Reply-To: <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> <20070326032707.5C3E91879EE@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070326075350.01da3890@blacksburg.net> At 09:27 PM 3/25/2007, Tony Drews wrote: >At the rear, don't do the longer shackle routine. That causes some >weirdness in the rear end geometry. The car will take two distinct >arcs through the corner. Put spacers between the axle and the leaf >springs and install longer U-bolts instead. > >I seem to recall something about using an MGB-GT front spring (Moss >has those for about $32 / spring), but I'm sure others have more >details on that. > >- Tony I took my leaf springs to a shop that works on heavy duty truck (think large dump trucks) springs. They de-arched mine for $20 / side. That reduced the ride height 2". hth jim >At 09:08 PM 3/25/2007, Gary wrote: > >Hello All: > > > >I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage > racer. Currently has > >Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > >Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke > to lower the > >car 2 - 3 inches. > > > >I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower > the rear. Up > >front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will > only lower > >the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > >competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate > and lowering > >the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter > springs and > >spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > > >Gary -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Mar 26 06:24:41 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [TR] "Classic & Sports Car" March 2007 Issue "All Triumph's TRs" FOR SALE In-Reply-To: <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> References: <4605F84A.6040301@greenheart.com> <641A525B0A2A2540B1DD0A3DE660241C02D6D875@exchange.terra-incognita.net> Message-ID: <4607BB89.9010303@greenheart.com> By the way, the magazine is sold and is on it's way. --Justin From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 08:01:53 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:01:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Message-ID: Mark, I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate whether it would work for you. Shane Ingate in Maryland Mark Eginton wrote: >I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything >short >of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the >fan >on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and >big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love >craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage >before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term >satiation and long term expensive grief. > >Help!!! > >M _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Mar 26 11:04:10 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:04:10 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. It's called Electrical Discharge Machining, or EDM for short. I hope to build one for myself someday, as it sounds like a very handy thing to have when you need one (imagine being able to machine a hardened steel stud out of aluminum _without_ harming the threads in the aluminum), but haven't yet. However it's a very slow process, basically works by drawing a spark from the workpiece which tears away a tiny bit of metal. No reason it wouldn't work for a crank pulley bolt, but it would sure take a long time. Randall From billb at bnj.com Mon Mar 26 10:30:38 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 06:30:38 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: > Mark, > > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. > > Shane Ingate in Maryland > > > Mark Eginton wrote: > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right > when you > need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Mar 26 10:49:02 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:49:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Message-ID: In a message dated 03/26/2007 10:32:57 AM Central Standard Time, billb at bnj.com writes: > It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's > a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel > against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a > sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% > $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're > loosening the nut, not tightening it. > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From kaskas at cox.net Mon Mar 26 11:20:29 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:20:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <00e001c76fcb$0da8d0c0$690fc548@RWKastner> Tight fasteners, like that, do respond to a sharp impact from a BBFH and a large diameter big drift. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: SHANE Ingate Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: > Mark, > > I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that > was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi > gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or > even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would > have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate > whether it would work for you. > > Shane Ingate in Maryland > > > Mark Eginton wrote: > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right > when you > need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Mon Mar 26 12:42:45 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:42:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brembo slotted disk "handedness"? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20070326133840.01dace60@blacksburg.net> I'm about to install a set of slotted disks on my TR4. While the boxes carry the same part number, the rotors are clearly "handed" (slots CW on one, CCW on the other). While I doubt that slot direction makes a big difference, seems to me that slots "scooping" forward (CW facing the RH side), might pull more cooling air into the assembly. What says the List? Jim -- Jim Hassall Blacksburg VA jhassall at blacksburg.net '63 TR4 in autox preparation - 90% finished, 90% to go From timmurph at fastbytes.com Mon Mar 26 13:39:44 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: Message-ID: <000e01c76fde$81d325f0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> The Mechanical Engineer's mantra!! Except when it's a left hand thread like on water pump pulley we once had to remove. The manual was a little "unclear", to say the least. We had it on there pretty tight before we got it off. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > In a message dated 03/26/2007 10:32:57 AM Central Standard Time, > billb at bnj.com writes: > > >> It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's >> a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel >> against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a >> sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&% >> $ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're >> loosening the nut, not tightening it. >> > > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 26 14:09:05 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:09:05 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <000e01c76fde$81d325f0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: >The Mechanical Engineer's mantra!! Except when it's a left hand thread >like >on water pump pulley we once had to remove. The manual was a little >"unclear", to say the least. We had it on there pretty tight before we got >it off. > >Tim That's when you say, "It's always good practice to tighten it before you loosen it." To save face. John From don at carterdesignassociates.com Mon Mar 26 15:36:00 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:36:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension Message-ID: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. don at carterdesignassociates.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] From mee23 at cornell.edu Mon Mar 26 17:46:15 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:46:15 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <8BC82328-C85F-4CCF-AC0D-FCE1F6CAE54F@bnj.com> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243F1@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Yes I had a broken tap removed from an aluminum Vintage Harley head without destroying the aluminum threads using EDM. Its amazing but the peice must fit in the machine, usually bathed in dielectric liquid. Mostly used for making plastic molds with machined carbon electrodes... THanks for all the advice; I am soaking the bolt all week with penetrating oil - cannot find Kroil but using something else. It is actually a bolt (I'm pretty sure), the one that the hand crank engages. This weekend I plan to pull the pan (gotta do it anyway), use a 2x4 to lock the crank and I plan a WWF smackdown - wish me luck... M ________________________________ From: Bill Babcock [mailto:billb at bnj.com] Sent: Mon 3/26/2007 12:30 PM To: SHANE Ingate Cc: Mark Eginton; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! It would be a pretty big or specialized shop to have EDM stuff. It's a nut. It will come off. If worse comes to worst, use a chisel against the edge of the flats. It helps if you make a nick with a sharp chisel and then use a dull one to apply torque. Big Big F*&%$ing Hammer (BBFH) and a bit of technique. Just be sure you're loosening the nut, not tightening it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour : Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse : http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour : http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 4:01 AM, SHANE Ingate wrote: Mark, I've seen some sort of "electrical disintegration" process that was used to disintegrate an outer bearing shell in my Guzzi gearbox. Sorry, I don't know the correct terminology or even how it works, but it is something that only a shop would have. Maybe others on the list could help and indicate whether it would work for you. Shane Ingate in Maryland Mark Eginton wrote: I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried everything short of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where behind the fan on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet talking and big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta love craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented beverage before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for short term satiation and long term expensive grief. Help!!! M _________________________________________________________________ Live Search Maps  find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag2&FORM=MGAC01 _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Mar 26 18:46:52 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:46:52 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4608697C.2020105@141.com> That's what I always thought... ...until I tried to loosen the lug nuts on one side of my '63 Dodge Custom 880, many years ago! Susan :) > 'Righty Tighty...Lefty Loosey" > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > > ************************************** > AOL now offers free email to everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > -- *** PCMCIA  People Cant Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms *** From stutzman at adelphia.net Mon Mar 26 18:12:47 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003801c77004$a699b5e0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> lower the rear with lowering blocks and TR4A U bolts. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jprettyleaf at yahoo.com Mon Mar 26 18:34:09 2007 From: jprettyleaf at yahoo.com (Jim Prettyleaf) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! In-Reply-To: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243F1@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> Message-ID: <285845.34044.qm@web51101.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, Well now I see the problem. I never could get the front pulley bolt off of any engine with the pan on. You gotta take the pan off then place a tuba-4 between the first crank throw and a stout portion of the block before you start pounding away with the half inch air impact. If you don't already own a set of six point air-impact sockets now would be a good time to buy them. Sears should have air-impact sockets in stock for a reasonable price. I also recommend soaking the bolt in penetrating oil. Kroil is really great stuff, and I have previously used it with excellent results on some really large rusty nuts and bolts, but any decent penetrating oil is better than no lubrication at all. J. Prettyleaf Mark Eginton wrote: This weekend I plan to pull the pan (gotta do it anyway), use a 2x4 to lock the crank and I plan a WWF smackdown - wish me luck... M --------------------------------- Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. From stutzman at adelphia.net Mon Mar 26 18:12:47 2007 From: stutzman at adelphia.net (Stutzman) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <002a01c76f4b$a3dfc510$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003c01c77009$029d0550$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> lower the rear with lowering blocks and TR4A U bolts. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello All: > > I want to lower the ride height on my 1962 TR-4 vintage racer. Currently > has > Koni shocks and an unidentified competion front spring with stock spacer. > Rear suspension is lever shocks and leaf springs. I would lilke to lower > the > car 2 - 3 inches. > > I plan on making new, longer, rear leaf spring shackles to lower the rear. > Up > front, the first step is to remove spring spacer however that will only > lower > the car about 1.5". I seem to recall a previous discussion about MGB > competition springs as an ideal replacement both for spring rate and > lowering > the front of the car. Any recommendations for sources for shorter springs > and > spring rates would be welcome. Thanks. > > Gary > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stlnyc at msn.com Mon Mar 26 19:29:56 2007 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:29:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net><001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243EC@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu><000601c76f4c$571c0440$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> <2AA84816-6FCE-4ECD-85F5-22E14C093654@bnj.com> Message-ID: Mark- If the engine is still in the car with everything is hooked up & operating, adapt an 11/8" impact socket to a 3/4" drive T handle (using a reducer). Put the socket on the crank bolt so that it's just above the driver's side frame rail. Disable the coil so the engine can't start & hit the starter. You may have to slam the T handle against the frame a few times, but it will break it loose & unscrew it. Fred Hodgson ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Tim Murphy Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! Before you round the thing out completely, get a good 1/2" six point impact socket of the right size and use a 1/2" air impact wrench. Soak the nut in penetrating oil, crank the gun to max, and have at it. It might take a lot of cycles cycles, but it will come. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Tim Murphy wrote: > If you have access to "Kroil" try soaking it in that or spray on > and let sit > overninght. Somethimes the stuff is truly miraculous. It is an > industrial > penetrating oil. A nearby shop may have some you can use. > > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Eginton" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:33 PM > Subject: [Fot] Recalcentrant Bolt!!! > > >> I hate being beaten by equipment but here I am having tried >> everything >> short >> of a cutting torch to break lose that @$%*ing crank bolt where >> behind the >> fan >> on an old TR2 engine. Tried pneumatic and hammer impacts, sweet >> talking >> and >> big mallets having laid waste to one wrench and one socket (gotta >> love >> craftsman replacement policy) and now I have moved on to fermented >> beverage >> before I indulge in a monster frustration tantrum guaranteed for >> short >> term >> satiation and long term expensive grief. >> >> Help!!! >> >> M >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Mar 26 21:37:00 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 23:37:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: In a message dated 3/26/07 3:58:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, jhassall at blacksburg.net writes: << Put spacers between the axle and the leaf springs and install longer U-bolts instead. >> Back in the days when employees could get away with more government jobs, I had one-inch spacers and two-inch spacers made at the old Shippingport Experimental Atomic Power Station. They were made from stainless steel. When the lower profile slicks came along, the spacers were removed, and the rear suspension is now back to stock. I didn't want the rear end dragging on the gr ound. I ran for a long time with Mother Mueller's competition front springs with the spacers removed from the top. Then one day I noticed shorter springs with spacers installed in the parts car. I put this setup into the race TR-3, and the front end is about even with the back end, or low enough to the floor. This move also gave me about the right negative camber. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 27 00:04:11 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:04:11 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> Uhhh. What?? I don't get it. Is this a street car that you want both electric and crank driven fans? Most people building race cars use the fan extension for a paperweight. If you're using a harmonic balancer most of the ones I know of have no provision for mounting a fan. It's generally assumed you're either going to run without one and just use motion cooling, or you're going to add an electric fan. I'm not sure what you're up to. If you are calling the existing fan pulley a harmonic balancer then you need to look again. It's just a pulley. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Don Carter wrote: > I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new > radiator > and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance > between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got > back from > one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine > thread 5/8 > bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that > will also > attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to > saw the > extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn > thing to > hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and > washer. Is > there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method > work? I > believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic > balancer > because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring > it not > to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no > room in > front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is > hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an > inside > taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so > please let > me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in > the other. > > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a > name of Don.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From goodparts at verizon.net Tue Mar 27 04:41:04 2007 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 05:41:04 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <4608F4C0.4020900@verizon.net> Don, Cutting off the fan extension will work fine. It would be best to true up the end in a lathe after sawing it off to get a nice flat surface for the bolt head but with some care I am sure you could touch it up with a grinder. The hole through the center is somewhat over bolt size so use a good, thick, hardened washer. I have seen a fan extension replacer kit with a bolt and a machined aluminum "washer" about an inch thick. Only problem was, there were no holes for the dowel pins. I guess you were supposed to remove them. I don't remember who was making them but I think they were selling them on e-bay. Regards, Richard Good Good Parts www.goodparts.com Don Carter wrote: >I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator >and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance >between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from >one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 >bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also >attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the >extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to >hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is >there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I >believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer >because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not >to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in >front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is >hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside >taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let >me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. > > >don at carterdesignassociates.com > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 05:52:49 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:52:49 +0000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension Message-ID: <032720071152.1167.46090591000778220000048F2207021053970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: Richard Good > I have seen a fan extension replacer kit with a bolt and a machined > aluminum "washer" about an inch thick. Only problem was, there were no > holes for the dowel pins. I guess you were supposed to remove them. I > don't remember who was making them but I think they were selling them > on e-bay. Here it is: http://topshamautoparts.com/tr6/eliminator.htm Irv From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Mar 27 07:38:46 2007 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:38:46 +1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <001401c77075$3ffedba0$6d15efdc@co3017577a> Don The Triumph sedans do not have the extension , they use a short hub about 1.25 inch thick to which the fan bolts . I have been running and Aluminium replacement on my race car for a number of years with no problem . A grade 5 bolt is fine with harden flat washer under head . Dont use spring washer . locktite it. Suggest you also check the harmonic balancer while your at it, we have a lot of problem with the outer ring spining on the hub , makes ignition timing interesting if you are not aware of it Geoff Byrne TR6 racer Aus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Carter" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:36 AM Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension > I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new radiator > and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance > between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got back from > one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine thread 5/8 > bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that will also > attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to saw the > extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn thing to > hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and washer. Is > there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method work? I > believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic balancer > because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring it not > to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no room in > front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is > hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an inside > taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so please let > me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in the other. > > > don at carterdesignassociates.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of Don.jpg] > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dodo at texas.net Tue Mar 27 10:18:17 2007 From: dodo at texas.net (Robert D. MacKenzie) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:18:17 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Smiths Sending Units? Message-ID: <003301c7708b$88392540$4101a8c0@ZAP> I want to use the following Smiths Eclipse instruments on my autocross car: * Eclipse Electric 52mm Oil Pressure Gauge P/N: IOP1-1552-10C * Eclipse Electric 52mm Water Temperature Gauge P/N: ICT1-1452-12C Can anyone provide me with the correct part numbers for sending units for an 1147 CC MK1 engine? Robert MacKenzie 79 Spitfire 1500 (street) 62 Spitfire Mk1 (race) From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 27 10:40:59 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:40:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner_Cup_Update_=E2=80=93_Thriller_at_Miller_J?= =?utf-8?q?une_29-July1_2007?= Message-ID: <8C93EA5D57BB914-BB0-8A@webmail-me05.sysops.aol.com> FOT, The Kastner Cup race at Miller Motorsports Park (Tooele, Utah) is shaping up to be a great event. Although originally set up to run the perimeter track, Nostalgia Racing has recognized that the small bore cars may not enjoy the 3500 foot long main straight, so we will be running the East configuration. Miller Motorsports Park describes it as follows: bThe 2.2 mile East course has as many as seven major overtaking areas, and 14 corners, including the three-turn esses, which have significant elevation changes. The feature corner on the East course is the final turn, a 50 foot-wide, 9B: banked sweeper that leads onto the main straight. It is designed to create last-minute overtaking challenges before the race to the finish line.b It should make for fun racing! So far, the following have expressed interest in coming to the event: NameCar Chuck GeeSpitfire Mike BrunerTR4 Mordy DunstTR4 Steve SmithGT6 Ken Gillanders/Preston KaenelTR3 Paul SmockTR4 Bob MillerTR3A Dennis DeLapTR4 Chuck ArnoldTR5 Joe AlexanderTR4/Ambro? Jim NorlinSpitfire John FrymarkTR4 If you arenbt on the list above and are planning on going, please let me know so I can add you to the list. All Triumph participants will be eligible to win the Kastner Cup, an award based on 50% for the competitive results on the race track during the event (not necessarily the winner), 25% for the presentation of the car, and 25% for the attitude and interest in Vintage racing. This event will be under Historic Regulations, which means, no slicks or fender flairs. There will also be other bgoodiesb for all Triumph entries to commemorate the event. So make your plans now and join your FOT brethren and this great venue! More about Nostalgia Racing here: http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ A track map here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/images/common/map07.jpg More about Miller Motorsports Park here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/# More about the Kastner Cup here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Call Jimmy at 303.697.0750 for event information packets and entry forms or use the form attached. Thanks and hope to see you there! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Miller Entry Form.pdf] From chasgee at aol.com Tue Mar 27 10:57:30 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:57:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller Entry form Message-ID: <8C93EA8240F6EF6-1C64-1073@WEBMAIL-RA21.sysops.aol.com> All, Sorry, I forgot that attachments won't come through. You can get the entry form from the VARA website here: http://vararacing.com/Overall1.html Thanks, Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From billb at bnj.com Tue Mar 27 12:05:01 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:05:01 -1000 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Rad Fan Extension In-Reply-To: <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> References: <000001c76fee$c2036350$38e8a8c0@DWC> <4EBF086D-3788-4FDD-9934-E5DECE82E3EF@bnj.com> Message-ID: <6D821912-55BE-47FF-9AD5-CAD91DF89302@bnj.com> Oh, TR6. Read the frickin' subject line Babcock. Never mind. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Bill Babcock wrote: > Uhhh. What?? I don't get it. Is this a street car that you want both > electric and crank driven fans? Most people building race cars use > the fan extension for a paperweight. If you're using a harmonic > balancer most of the ones I know of have no provision for mounting a > fan. It's generally assumed you're either going to run without one > and just use motion cooling, or you're going to add an electric fan. > I'm not sure what you're up to. > > If you are calling the existing fan pulley a harmonic balancer then > you need to look again. It's just a pulley. > Bill Babcock > billb at bnj.com > bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency > > You can subscribe to my Blogs > Via email: > All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. > http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 > Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? > Sub=168304 > > or Via RSS > Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse > AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour > > > > On Mar 26, 2007, at 11:36 AM, Don Carter wrote: > >> I am putting an electric radiator fan on the engine side of my new >> radiator >> and wondered if any have had the same problem having enough clearance >> between the rad and the fan mounting extension. I have just got >> back from >> one of Houston's best fastener places and got three sizes of fine >> thread 5/8 >> bolts that are shorter than the original machined bolt that that >> will also >> attach the extension to the end of the crank. I was planning to >> saw the >> extension in half (or so), leaving just enough throat on the darn >> thing to >> hold with a pipe wrench, whilst tightening the new bolt and >> washer. Is >> there an easier way that I just can't see, or will this method >> work? I >> believe the base of the extension needs to go back on the harmonic >> balancer >> because of the fit it has over the crank with the two pins insuring >> it not >> to spin while the original fan is pulling air. I've got almost no >> room in >> front to make the electric fan a pusher due to an oil cooler. Is >> hack-sawing this thing off OK? Does anyone make a spacer with an >> inside >> taper to fit over the pins that will clean this mess up? If so >> please let >> me know because I've got a hack-saw in one hand and a computer in >> the other. >> >> >> don at carterdesignassociates.com >> >> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a >> name of Don.jpg] >> _______________________________________________ >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 17:37:47 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:37:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> Hello: Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on my racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on one side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking forward to completing the other side in the next couple of days. I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer between the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the front end and we're ready for the next race. Gary '62 TR4 '69 TR6 From KLynch7589 at aol.com Tue Mar 27 17:50:51 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:50:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 Message-ID: Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring points for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech needs the data as he doesn't have it in house either. Thank you. Kev Lynch ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 17:52:13 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:52:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil In-Reply-To: <005401c76a9b$190324a0$0264a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: <000c01c770ca$f2886c00$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) from Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the shelf, so I was able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a quart and the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter has a store very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us racer types. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BOB KRAMER Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 7:55 PM To: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com; fot at autox.team.net Cc: nass at yahoogroups.com; triumph_herald at yahoogroups.com; triumph_vitesse at yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Fot] oil, oil, oil I ordered Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, (code VV851) on Amazon.com. I ordered 2 cases thinking I was getting 12 count cases and a really good price. The case count is only 6 so I paid $6.91 a quart. The box is cool though, says boldly "Not street Legal". Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil > Everyone, > > OK, I have been doing a lot of research on this very important oil > issue. > > We all need it, so I guess this is about one of the most critical > questions > for our engines. > > As you know, the oil companies have drastically cut-back on the ZDDP > (mostly > Zinc & Phosphrous) anti-wear additives found in modern motor oils. > > The general consensus of opinion seems to be that just about anything > rated > 'SM' does NOT have sufficient additives for our flat-tappet engines. > > SAE20W50 is the recommended viscosity for the majority of our Triumph > engines. > > It seems that we have little in the way of choice: > > Three companies products keep coming up: > > A) Amsoil > > B) Redline > > C) Valvoline > > These companies still produce some high quality, non-SM products. > > such as: > > A) Amsoil 20W50 Series 2000 Synthetic Racing Oil, (code TRO) > > B) Redline 20W50 High Performance Synthetic Motor Oil. > > C) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Synthetic (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV855) > > C2) Valvoline 20W50 Racing Conventional (not street legal) Motor Oil, > (code > VV851) > > So far as I can see, these oils are not widely advertised, nor are > they commonly available 'off the shelf' in your friendly motor > factors. > > They may be ordered directly from the manufacturers, and the costs of > the synthetics seem to be roughly similar at just under $10/quart, or > $40/gallon. > > Amsoil being distributed the way it is, multi-level etc, seems to > thrive > on > hype, but being the cynical chap that I am, I believe about 10% off it. > > Do any of you fine fellows have any opinions on the > quality/capability/worth > of any of these products? > > Do tell. > > Best Regards to all > > Leon F Guyot > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websh ots.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Tue Mar 27 18:14:22 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:14:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?q?Kastner_Cup_Update_=E2=80=93_Thriller_at_Miller_J?= =?utf-8?q?une_29-July1_2007?= Message-ID: Chuck, Thanx immensely for all your work putting this together. What a remarkable track to run on! I'm tickled to see some of our more easterly FOT friends expressing interest in this event and it'll be good to see them all again. A huge thank You for your efforts. Steve FOT, The Kastner Cup race at Miller Motorsports Park (Tooele, Utah) is shaping up to be a great event. Although originally set up to run the perimeter track, Nostalgia Racing has recognized that the small bore cars may not enjoy the 3500 foot long main straight, so we will be running the East configuration. Miller Motorsports Park describes it as follows: bThe 2.2 mile East course has as many as seven major overtaking areas, and 14 corners, including the three-turn esses, which have significant elevation changes. The feature corner on the East course is the final turn, a 50 foot-wide, 9B: banked sweeper that leads onto the main straight. It is designed to create last-minute overtaking challenges before the race to the finish line.b It should make for fun racing! So far, the following have expressed interest in coming to the event: NameCar Chuck GeeSpitfire Mike BrunerTR4 Mordy DunstTR4 Steve SmithGT6 Ken Gillanders/Preston KaenelTR3 Paul SmockTR4 Bob MillerTR3A Dennis DeLapTR4 Chuck ArnoldTR5 Joe AlexanderTR4/Ambro? Jim NorlinSpitfire John FrymarkTR4 If you arenbt on the list above and are planning on going, please let me know so I can add you to the list. All Triumph participants will be eligible to win the Kastner Cup, an award based on 50% for the competitive results on the race track during the event (not necessarily the winner), 25% for the presentation of the car, and 25% for the attitude and interest in Vintage racing. This event will be under Historic Regulations, which means, no slicks or fender flairs. There will also be other bgoodiesb for all Triumph entries to commemorate the event. So make your plans now and join your FOT brethren and this great venue! More about Nostalgia Racing here: http://www.nostalgiaracing.com/ A track map here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/images/common/map07.jpg More about Miller Motorsports Park here: http://www.millermotorsportspark.com/# More about the Kastner Cup here: http://www.kaskastner.com/kastnercup.html Call Jimmy at 303.697.0750 for event information packets and entry forms or use the form attached. Thanks and hope to see you there! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing _________________________________________________________________ ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From norlinengineering at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 19:25:08 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:25:08 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c770d7$ecdbdd20$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Kev If you cannot find anything GT6 specific, I have the original Factory Manuals for the Spitfire/Herald and I know it includes a lot of frame and suspension component dimensions. I could get my wife to scan the pages (she's the scanner guru) and fire them off to you. Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of KLynch7589 at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:51 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring points for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech needs the data as he doesn't have it in house either. Thank you. Kev Lynch ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 21:20:42 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:20:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 References: Message-ID: <003801c770e8$11f30010$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> I have the softbound triumph GT6 and Herald manual part #512947, which has fully dimensioned frame drawings in great detail. If you do a lot of work on the car, the manual is indispensible for torque settings, clearances, diagrams, etc. Enthusiast Books has it for $49 http://www.enthusiastbooks.com/si/31319.html I think Bentley Books has it as well. I do not remember paying this much so you may want to shop around. This is the reprinted factory shop manual , just not in looseleaf binder form. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 > Good evening! I'd like to know where I can find frame data/measuring > points > for the GT6. Have gone through the Google route without much sucess. Am > thinking of having the car checked for frame tweaking but my frame tech > needs the > data as he doesn't have it in house either. > > Thank you. > > Kev Lynch > > > > ************************************** AOL now offers free email to > everyone. > Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Tue Mar 27 22:16:45 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:16:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> Message-ID: <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Gary, With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or braking. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello: > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > my > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > one > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > forward to > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > between > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > front > end and we're ready for the next race. > > Gary > > '62 TR4 > '69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Mar 27 23:20:07 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:20:07 EDT Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil Message-ID: In a message dated 3/27/2007 3:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, norlinengineering at comcast.net writes: > In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) from > Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the shelf, so I was > able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a quart and > the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter has a store > very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us racer > types. > > Jim Norlin > > > Many thanks Jim, There is a Baxter Auto Parts right at one end of my street, and a NAPA at the other end! I note that the Baxter's still stock my previous favorite Valvoline Synpower 20W50 in API 'SL', whereas the larger stores in town only have 'SM' now, so I might just relieve them of some of that shortly. I am still investigating all the various oil companies products to determine what the appropriate choices are for our cars, but certainly VV851 and VV855 figure high up on the listings at the moment. I am aware that the US oils may not be appropriate in the UK and Europe, and although I cannot say what is best in those markets, perhaps my findings will help people with what to look out for? Best Regards Lion http://community.websho ts.com/user/vitesse1963 From billb at bnj.com Wed Mar 28 00:36:41 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:36:41 -1000 Subject: [Fot] oil, oil, oil In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually, generally at the track for most vintage events you can get redline from Andy at Armadillo racing, or from the folks at competition Motorsports. redline works fine and costs about the same. but all this makes me feel particularly good about my Ceramic lifters. They might be spendy, but after a year of racing you can't tell the lifters apart from new ones, and the cam looks like someone polished it. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 27, 2007, at 7:20 PM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/27/2007 3:52:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, > norlinengineering at comcast.net writes: > > >> In Portland, Oregon, I was able to get the same Valvoline (VV851) >> from >> Baxter Auto Parts. They had it in the warehouse, not on the >> shelf, so I > was >> able to get it the same day as I ordered it. Price was $5.09 a >> quart and >> the description on the receipt is 20W50 RACE NOT STREET. Baxter >> has a > store >> very close to Portland Intl Raceway, so this is convienent for us >> racer >> types. >> >> Jim Norlin >> >> >> Many thanks Jim, > > There is a Baxter Auto Parts right at one end of my street, and a > NAPA at the > other end! > > I note that the Baxter's still stock my previous favorite Valvoline > Synpower > 20W50 in API 'SL', whereas the larger stores in town only have 'SM' > now, so I > might just relieve them of some of that shortly. > > I am still investigating all the various oil companies products to > determine > what the appropriate choices are for our cars, but certainly VV851 > and VV855 > figure high up on the listings at the moment. > > I am aware that the US oils may not be appropriate in the UK and > Europe, and > although I cannot say what is best in those markets, perhaps my > findings will > help people with what to look out for? > > Best Regards > > Lion > > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http:// > community.websho > ts.com/user/vitesse1963 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mee23 at cornell.edu Wed Mar 28 05:58:56 2007 From: mee23 at cornell.edu (Mark Eginton) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <0ABF7A7F96F79E44896C219F72577285018243FB@APOLLO.johnson.cornell.edu> THis can be very true, you will notice it when you late break hard in a corner as you transition to the throttle the rear spring rate changes and that can suck sometimes. I noticed it most in Autocross. I fixed it in my vintage Mustang by adding a 1/2 leaf from the axel forward since I was not using blocks. If you find spring rate changing in hard late break corners - drop the blocks and go to de-arching or just de-arch and be done with it... M ________________________________ From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Greg Solow Sent: Wed 3/28/2007 12:16 AM To: Gary; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Gary, With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or braking. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Hello: > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > my > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > one > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > forward to > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > between > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > front > end and we're ready for the next race. > > Gary > > '62 TR4 > '69 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From KLynch7589 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 06:56:50 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:56:50 EDT Subject: [Fot] GT6 frame chart Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded... Kevin ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Mar 28 08:33:25 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:33:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Fot] Mk1 GT6 In-Reply-To: <001301c770d7$ecdbdd20$0201a8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> Message-ID: On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Norlin Engineering wrote: > Kev > > If you cannot find anything GT6 specific, I have the original Factory > Manuals for the Spitfire/Herald and I know it includes a lot of frame and > suspension component dimensions. I could get my wife to scan the pages > (she's the scanner guru) and fire them off to you. I'm not trying to make work for anyone, but if that sort of drawing is hard to find or tough to come by, perhaps we should put a copy on the team.net servers??? Something to think about. > Jim Norlin regards, rml ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Mar 28 10:04:15 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:04:15 -0800 Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension References: <000a01c770c8$ed1a1c70$4542664c@GHOffice> <003101c770ef$e5c02ce0$6401a8c0@TER2> Message-ID: <023e01c77152$bd8a6890$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Gary, I had lowered my MGB years ago using blocks and felt the handling went terrible. I went to my local spring shop and talked to him about rearching(or dearching) the rear springs and he recalled that when the MGB's were new he had taken the main spring and flipped it over. This takes the eye of the spring and moves it from the top of the spring to the bottom of the spring which in essence drops the car about 11/2" -2". I did this about 10 years ago and haven't experienced any thing negative about it. The spring shop guy told me he could think of any reason why this would be a problem. The handling of the car is greatly improved with this modification. I also went to an earlier car front crossmember instead of shorter springs for the front end. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Solow" To: "Gary" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > Gary, > With a spacer in place, it may be necessary to install "traction bars" > on the rear axle to prevent "spring windup" under hard braking. You might be > better off to have the arch of the springs adjusted by a spring shop to > lower the car. A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle > "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking > "twist" of the tires against the pavement. The taller the spacer, the more > leverage there is and the more likely to get axle hop under acceleration or > braking. > > Greg Solow > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 4:37 PM > Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension > > > > Hello: > > > > Thanks to one and all for your suggestions on lowering the ride height on > > my > > racin TR4. I removed the spring spacer and reversed the lower A-arms on > > one > > side of the car and that dropped it down to a nice height. Looking > > forward to > > completing the other side in the next couple of days. > > > > I'll then move to the rear suspension where I plan on using a spacer > > between > > the leaf spring and u-bolt securing plate (thanks Tony). Realign the > > front > > end and we're ready for the next race. > > > > Gary > > > > '62 TR4 > > '69 TR6 > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Mar 28 09:45:51 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:45:51 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 Suspension Message-ID: In a message dated 3/28/2007 10:05:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, charly at mitchelplumbing.com writes: A spacer between the spring and the axle gives the axle > "leverage" agaiinst the spring as it reacts the the driving or braking > "twist" of the tires against the pavement I agree with all that lowering blocks are not always the way to go, de-arching is the proper fix. Another point to consider is that (with lowering blocks) the lateral load during cornering puts more of a twist on the spring, unless it has a panhard on it. Glen ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. From jcjcarrera at comcast.net Wed Mar 28 14:22:44 2007 From: jcjcarrera at comcast.net (jcjcarrera at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:22:44 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FW: TR6 for sale Message-ID: <032820072022.1791.460ACE94000015BA000006FF22064244130E9D0A9D9D0E0C060C06@comcast.net> FoT: My friend is retiring and wants to sell his 1973, TR6. This is a very nice car with an interesting color combo and I would recommend this vehicle to anyone looking for a "6". Feel free to contact me off line at jcjcarrera at comcast.net for more information. John James -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "David Jepsen" To: "John James" Subject: TR6 for sale Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:39:28 +0000 John, Thanks for your help in selling the TR6. I have mixed feelings about letting it go, but it needs to be with an owner who will drive it more than I have been lately. As you know these babies need to be on the road. Heres what I know about the car. Restored 1973 TR6, mallard blue (dark green). 10K miles on rebuilt engine. Rebuilt rear end and carburetors. New Coker redline tires. Refurbished tan and black interior, and new trunk kit. Very nice daily driver. $16,500. From EDENMA at aol.com Wed Mar 28 18:54:22 2007 From: EDENMA at aol.com (EDENMA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:54:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, GT6 Data Points Message-ID: Kevin: I think I have what you need in a copy of the factory GT6 parts manual. I also have the same info in another manual. I am in CA until SUN will this be too late? Cheers! Mark ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From billb at bnj.com Sat Mar 24 10:35:35 2007 From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:35:35 -1000 Subject: [Fot] Toyota 4Runner Starter Motor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the world of modern vehicle design: Never compromise build cost for ease of maintenance. I'd hate to be a mechanic for a living these days. Bill Babcock billb at bnj.com bnj Website for Babcock & Jenkins, a direct and interactive agency You can subscribe to my Blogs Via email: All Aluminum Tour: Touring and racing classic North American tracks. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/?Sub=168395 Ponohouse : Living and playing in Maui. http://www.feedblitz.com/f/? Sub=168304 or Via RSS Ponohouse: http://feeds.feedburner.com/PonoHouse AllAluminumTour: http://feeds.feedburner.com/AllAluminumTour On Mar 14, 2007, at 6:02 AM, Guyots3 at wmconnect.com wrote: > My humblest apologies for being off topic here, but... > > I just had to share this horrible experience! > > My '97 Toyota 4Runner SR5, (family vehicle) decided yesterday, (my > only day > off this week), that it's starter motor had done enough strating, > (at 102,000 > miles). > > Lots of clicking, not much else. > > It happened in a parking lot of a shopping center, (built on an > Indian burial > gound, so considered a jinxed place by locals)... > > I also had my 16= year old daughter with me, who was bitching that > her day > was now ruined, because she couldn't get to the Mall to shop - it > was all of > tw > blocks away! > > No comment. > > Anyhoo, I called Cingular, with whom I was supposed to have > breakdown cover > for the last year, and was informed that I had no such cover on my > account, > even though I had asked for it when the account was set-up! > > So, I had to call my wife, to come tow me with her '86 Ford > Econoline camper > van. > She borrowed a rather secondhand tow rope from our circuit racer > neighbour, > who informed her that towing with a rope was illegal in Oregon? > > After an 'interesting' 6 mile tow, to a friend's shop, during which > the rope > only snapped one time, (at a busy and dangerous intersection, > naturally), when > I very quickly called into play my boy scout knot tying skills...we > made it, > without being arrested. > > note that automatic SUV's with power braking and power steering, > are VERY > tough to brake and steer, without power! > > Anyhoo, when my friends saw the ensemble of '86 Econoline towing > '97 4Runner, > they responded with "you might be a redneck if", very funny! > > We first disconnected the battery, and luckily I had one of those > handy-dandy > computer memory keeper thingys that plugs into the cigarette > lighter - and it > worked - otherwise I would be paying the local Toyota dealer $45 to > reset the > radio code, which I do not have, and yes it does work! > > So to remove the starter, Messrs Chiltons encouraged us to > "disconnect wires, > unbolt starter and pull forward towards front of vehicle to remove > from > vehicle." > > Oh yeah? > > The front driveshafts were in the way, so that part of the manual > must be > referring to the 2WD version. > > The starter bolts came out easily enough, as did the heavy wire, > although the > plastic clip attaching the small wire is the work of satan himself, > heat > hardened due to the proximity of the exhaust, covered in oil/grease/ > dirt and > designed in the true fashion of the ancient Chinese puzzle, also at > arms > length and > almost inaccesible. > > But the real fun was yet to come. > > That increasingly heavy, and at arms length, starter motor was not > coming out > via any of the very small access holes, at any angle or direction. > > We removed the two 'skid plates', still no go, and eventually > figured out > that we would have to remove the long thin pipe for the ATF > dipstick, which > is, > (of course), welded to the ATF pan, which cannot itself be removed, > without > first draining the ATF and at least half removing the hefty front > Anti-sway > bar, > then disconnecting the pipes to the power steering. > > Nice design Toyota, most impressive. > > note that the bolts for the anti-sway bar are welded underneath > with the nuts > on top, and that the bolts closest to the exhaust downpipe/cat are > cooked and > rusted... > > One of those had to meet the BFH and then we had to snap it off in the > bracket, later drilling out the remains, just to remove it. > > Now my starter motor is in for a rebuild, and the transmission is > getting new > filter and gasket, and the anti-sway bar link on the other side is > getting > replaced - we discovered it was in poor condition - > > That little lot took roughly 4 hours, and my hands still ache. > > Not looking forward to putting it all back together. > > I am grateful that we were able to avoid a hefty towing charge and > dealer > bills for the work. > > I think what really bothers me most is the complete lack of decent > servicing > design by Toyota, and the almost useless Chiltons Manual. > > Never mind, at least I stil have the '86 Econoline to go to work > today and > tomorrow! > > Triumph design rules! > > Take care out there > > Leon > > http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963 > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From trhouse at greenapple.com Sun Mar 25 15:54:24 2007 From: trhouse at greenapple.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 16:54:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: Cumberland MD airport race photos - 50's, 60's References: <20070325150355.RIEK1606.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <001401c76f1c$9adeab40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <4606EF90.D7E06C21@greenapple.com> Stutzman wrote: > the National Road Rally guys run a great autox series at the cumberland. > report back any comments on any of these shots I sent this out a while back don't know if the list sitee problem let it through tom I picked through the cumberland site the past couple of years here is a list that makes it easier for the dialup guys http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1402&sort=1&cat=all&page=6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1399&sort=1&cat=all&page=6 sesslar 63 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=584&sort=1&cat=all&page=57 1965 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=581&sort=1&cat=all&page=58 spit fire #44 Cumberland http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1384&sort=1&cat=all&page=8 White TR4 Car#1? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1239&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 TVR http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1226&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 Dk Pink TR3A http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1225&sort=1&cat=all&page=11 Shefield bob minni http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1218&sort=1&cat=all&page=12 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1044&sort=1&cat=all&page=24 show TR4A Red http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1138&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 1500 spitfire/TR4A/TR8? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1137&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 1500 Spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1135&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1118&sort=1&cat=all&page=20 red spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1133&sort=1&cat=all&page=18 White TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1110&sort=1&cat=all&page=20 Car #36 Red (Peace sign P http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1027&sort=1&cat=all&page=26 Group 44 spitfire #4 and MGB #44 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=950&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1026&sort=1&cat=all&page=26 Group 44 Tr4 ONice after rain shott http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1061&sort=1&cat=all&page=23 Group 44 TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=962&sort=1&cat=all&page=31 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1014&sort=1&cat=all&page=27 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1040&sort=1&cat=all&page=25 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1001&sort=1&cat=all&page=28 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=957&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 #44 MGb http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=951&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=960&sort=1&cat=all&page=31 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1034&sort=1&cat=all&page=25 44MGB Spit and GT6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1013&sort=1&cat=all&page=27 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=977&sort=1&cat=all&page=30 dona and Don http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=946&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 Car # 7 Bill Emery TR3a http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=945&sort=1&cat=all&page=32 TR3A Show http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=834&sort=1&cat=all&page=42 TR6 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=834&sort=1&cat=all&page=42 Eric dean era 55 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=577&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=576&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Who is this (TR2;3 in Backround) http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=571&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Jag 120 #176 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=569&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=58 Ladies only http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=542&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=60 TR4 #55 Two cars B/W CP? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=550&sort=1&cat=all&page=60 Kiss http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=534&sort=1&cat=all&page=61 TTR2/3 out front http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=531&sort=1&cat=all&page=61 cuties http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=529&size=big&sort=1&cat=all mims http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=516&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=62 TR2/3 1956 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=464&sort=1&cat=all&page=66 MacAfee 1956 cumberland http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=458&sort=1&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=440&sort=1&cat=all&page=68 1956 cumberland 100m? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=457&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=447&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=68 TR2/3 beating Healy 110m 1956 drivers Rothchild and Hathoway http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=453&sort=1&cat=all&page=67 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=437&sort=1&cat=all&page=69 MGA Jean Spidel http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=428&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 1955 RJ Kirkpatrick Pittsburg Pa http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=426&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 Cop. Robert kuhm http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=425&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=69 Traver McKenna http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=421&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 william eager Lister MG http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=420&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=70 Ferrari Sherwood Johnson http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=418&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=70 ferrari sherwood, sherwood and MoMo http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=417&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=416&sort=1&cat=all&page=70 Maseratti Momo http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=407&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=71 Loyd Bill Spear http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=408&sort=1&cat=all&page=71 Car #13Jack Miller Joe Grattpn, Heman meotti http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=356&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 Mr and Mrs John LUKE http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=351&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 aydrie Zuric http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=351&sort=1&cat=all&page=75 1963 m9ms http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=302&sort=1&cat=all&page=78 1962? Car # ?5 TR4 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=231&sort=1&cat=all&page=80 1969 #81 Spitfire http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=116&sort=1&cat=all&page=90 #4 spiitfire on grid http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=111&sort=1&cat=all&page=90 Car #81 TR3 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=83&sort=1&cat=all&page=92 1957 Tree TR3 's in pit with porche alfa andac bristo; Bull Wallace Loutz Nash and an MGA Cappiel http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=65&sort=1&cat=all&page=94 TR in background Dennise mcc;ougage Porche 550 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=63&sort=1&size=medium&cat=all&page=94 10968 tullius and Kelly TR250 and TR4 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=56&sort=1&cat=all&page=94 1956 three TR2 and a Woody Car #16 nd Car #14? http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=14&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 Corvetee http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=9&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 Car #13 Porche 550 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=10&sort=1&cat=all&page=97 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=8&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #119 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=3&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #72 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=7&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 car#44 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=2&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 car#249 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=5&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 Car #276 http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=1&sort=1&cat=all&page=98 healey http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=13&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Benz http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=15&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Car #277 Porcxhe http://www.nationalroadrally.com/photo/showphoto.php?photo=6&sort=1&cat=567&page=1 Photo 64-022 is John and Peggy Luke changing a tyre on their TR3. John Luke was the first driver my brother crewed for. Luke and my brother were going to West Virginia University in Morgantown. Cumberland was the closest track. Peggy was/is quite a looker. I like the hairdo! The paper mill town of Luke, Maryland was named for John Luke's family. Also look at 64-023, the black or dark TR4 of Dennis Riley. I have a video copy of a home movie of Riley and others racing at Cumberland in 1964. Donna Mae Mims on a pit scooter. I have always wondered if this Dennis Riley is the same Dennis Riley that was president of VTR. From KLynch7589 at aol.com Thu Mar 29 08:41:17 2007 From: KLynch7589 at aol.com (KLynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The question was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface problem? Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its problems. One at the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke to a few guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of spots. Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing time. All in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if true... Kevin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wgrosenbach at juno.com Thu Mar 29 19:07:09 2007 From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: <20070329.180710.-224169.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Kevin, I took a lap of the East Circuit @ Miller, while Nostalgia Racing was there last July. That was a lap at 4.5 MPH, on an open vehicle, with NO suspension.. Golf Carts flew by me, bicycles lapped me. Had a good look at the surface. Spotted one seam failure that looked to have been stabilized with an Epoxy product. The rest of that track segment was quite smooth, on and off line. During the weekend, there were NEVER reports from Flagging & Communications of any track break up. We NEVER had to hold the grid to get sweeping done. The track blower mostly kicked up dust. Later in the weekend I got a ride at speed and found it to be as smooth as you could expect for a track prepared vehicle. The East Circuit is part of 3 of the 4 configurations, so the second half of it gets lots of traffic and there had already been pro races before NR ran. The SCCA World Challenge guys did not note surface issues when they ran the full circuit. It is possible that degradation occurred over the past year, but the Vintage Cars did it little harm after its initial use. We need to hear from a local, with a report of Spring 2007 conditions. Bill NR Race Control On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT KLynch7589 at aol.com writes: > Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The > question > was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface > problem? > Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its > problems. One at > the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke > to a few > guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of > spots. > Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing > time. All > in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if > true... > > Kevin > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Mar 29 18:42:11 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry Morrison) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:42:11 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Miller surface In-Reply-To: <20070329.180710.-224169.1.wgrosenbach@juno.com> Message-ID: Drove on it last August at the HSR event, it was much smoother than, oh say Hallett............Henry Morrison >From: William G Rosenbach >To: KLynch7589 at aol.com >CC: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Miller surface >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:07:09 -0700 > >Kevin, >I took a lap of the East Circuit @ Miller, while Nostalgia Racing was >there last July. That was a lap at 4.5 MPH, on an open vehicle, with NO >suspension.. Golf Carts flew by me, bicycles lapped me. Had a good look >at the surface. Spotted one seam failure that looked to have been >stabilized with an Epoxy product. The rest of that track segment was >quite smooth, on and off line. During the weekend, there were NEVER >reports from Flagging & Communications of any track break up. We NEVER >had to hold the grid to get sweeping done. The track blower mostly kicked >up dust. >Later in the weekend I got a ride at speed and found it to be as smooth >as you could expect for a track prepared vehicle. > >The East Circuit is part of 3 of the 4 configurations, so the second >half of it gets lots of traffic and there had already been pro races >before NR ran. The SCCA World Challenge guys did not note surface issues >when they ran the full circuit. > >It is possible that degradation occurred over the past year, but the >Vintage Cars did it little harm after its initial use. We need to hear >from a local, with a report of Spring 2007 conditions. > >Bill >NR Race Control > >On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:41:17 EDT KLynch7589 at aol.com writes: > > Was having lunch with some of my Front Range friends yesterday. The > > question > > was asked 'again' if the Miller folks had corrected its road surface > > problem? > > Apparently, the "Rhino" polymer they installed is having its > > problems. One at > > the table (who straightens frames for MRA riders) mentioned he spoke > > to a few > > guys upon their return & said its "rougher than a cob" in a lot of > > spots. > > Another diner thought there may not have been enough initial curing > > time. All > > in all, it's said an expansive fix is needed. What a shame if > > true... > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > > _______________________________________________ > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From KLynch7589 at AOL.COM Thu Mar 29 18:45:58 2007 From: KLynch7589 at AOL.COM (KLynch7589 at AOL.COM) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:45:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Miller surface Message-ID: Bill, appreciate the reply. Perhaps I wasn't clear, the info I passed along is weeks old. Please take with as much salt as you wish... I spoke with someone else close to the situation this week, his take on the situation out there is that it might turn into a huge "backcharge". Anyone being in the business knows, 'that' word is not to be bantered about or taken lightly. Like I said, my hope is that these sources have heard it wrong or maybe blown it just a bit out of proportion. Hope so... Kevin ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Mar 30 03:27:44 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 04:27:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Moldex on eBay Message-ID: <200703300927.l2U9RkZD302754@ns3.geneseo.net> I've listed a Moldex crank, repaired, on eBay. It is item number 180101598141 uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From tony at tonydrews.com Fri Mar 30 21:10:05 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:10:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue Message-ID: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) From garygret at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 30 21:33:17 2007 From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary & Gretchen) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:33:17 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000801c77345$531ee5e0$6701a8c0@700mNotebook> Tony, I've cleaned up and rebuilt overdrives several times now but haven't come across that bushing disintegration. My Vicky Brit catalog doesn't number it either. John Esposito at Quantumechanics rebuilts zillions of these and he'd have the parts if anyone would. 203-459-9612 or john at quantumechanics.com. Good luck with it! Regards, Gary Schneider ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would > follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the > pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there > one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? > Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the > "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. > Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in > the other? > Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open > up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and > "pin" it to the pump housing. > Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance > for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... > - Tony Drews > PS - Shameless plugs: > Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] > Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 > TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 > Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] > (gotta fund that new crankshaft) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > __________ NOD32 2158 (20070330) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Mar 31 08:57:44 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage - also go see Wild Hogs Message-ID: Neat website. I'd say Jay has done more for promoting classic cars and motorsports to the general public than any other one person. Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Jay Leno's garage http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/ ---- Linda and I saw Wild Hogs...great fun movie. Lot's of "must be a guy thing" comedy, Enjoy, Bill Sohl From trmarty at hotmail.com Sat Mar 31 09:55:25 2007 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:55:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 @ Road America Autocross Message-ID: This email is to just to give you a heads-up (or reminder) that there WILL be an autox taking place at the MOTRAH 007 event at this years Vintage Races at Road America the weekend of May 17th - 20th. The autox will take place Saturday the 19th and will be open to MOgans, TRiumphs, and Austin Healeys only. Both stock cars and race cars will be able to compete. Details are currently being worked out. I anticipate being able to give you all the good stuff mid April but I am sending this in advance so that you can make plans. This is probably a once in a lifetime event, an autox at a Road Race. See you there, Marty Sukey _________________________________________________________________ i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. Join Now. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0080000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=hmtagline From gasket.works at gte.net Sat Mar 31 10:21:36 2007 From: gasket.works at gte.net (M. Dunst, Gasket Works USA) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:21:36 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Fw: Jay Leno's garage References: Message-ID: <001201c773b0$a7c82aa0$8902a8c0@x4k3e8> I had an oppurtunity last year to visit Leno's shop/garage and storage facility. Bernard Juchli his master mechanic races with VARA on many occasions. Arguably, Juchli had the best prepared and fastest E type in Vintage. Juchli's wife is in charge of making sure all his cars are fueld, charged and ready to run. She also keeps them clean and show condition. He has three main garages two for storage and display and one for work. I thought it interesting to note that Juchli was like a sweet toothed boy in a candy shop with an unlimited budget. But, he is very hard working, a true mechanic of all things mooving. m From triosan at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 10:28:04 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:28:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com> <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about to pull the %%&&** tranny again. Chuck On 3/31/07, Tony Drews wrote: > > Chuck, Thanks! But, I'm using an A-type. I do have a spare that I'm > about to dig into to see how good it is. > > - Tony > > At 11:05 AM 3/31/2007, you wrote: > > Tony, I have a jtype od that blew up due to a fronzen rear diff [spyder > gear break at 4500 rpm under full power]. The pump part is fine. You could > have it, though I believe you are probably using an A type [have not > followed the links]. > Chuck > > > On 3/30/07, *Tony Drews* wrote: > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would > follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the > pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there > one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? > Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the > "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. > Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in > the other? > Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open > up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and > "pin" it to the pump housing. > Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance > for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... > - Tony Drews > PS - Shameless plugs: > Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] > Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 > TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 > Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] > (gotta fund that new crankshaft) > _______________________________________________ > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > > -- > Chuck Arnold > > > -- Chuck Arnold From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 31 10:51:49 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:51:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <7.1.0.9.0.20070331114039.045d2fb0@tonydrews.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com> <460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> <7.1.0.9.0.20070331114039.045d2fb0@tonydrews.com> Message-ID: <20070331175143.4AFBB187A2E@autox.team.net> Repost with extra stuff at the end removed (first one bounced at team.net) - Tony At 11:49 AM 3/31/2007, Tony Drews wrote: >Congrats at getting that sucker going! Condolences on the tranny issue. > >There are a couple of things I can think of that may cause this: >1. There are two different length throwout bearing carriers. If you >have the "long" one installed and the "short" one is needed, it >could possibly be pushing in the clutch fingers when assembled. >2. If the bearing carrier is not engaged with the fingers in the >actuating yoke but in front of those fingers instead, it would cause >the clutch to be pushed in / disengaged when assembled. >3. Some sort of issue with the slave cylinder linkage (hopefully >this is the problem, because you don't have to pull the tranny to fix that). >4. A problem in the master cylinder that causes the clutch to not >disengage once pushed in. Some master cylinders intended for >braking use have some sort of check valve in them, I'm told. > >Take the slave cylinder linkage loose and see if you have any plan >in the clutch actuating lever, that'll give you a starting >point. If there IS play in the actuating lever, and the engine >still doesn't drive the car, I'm as somewhat of a loss as to what >would cause that. If, when you're taking the slave cylinder off you >notice that it's been pushing on the actuating lever, and once >released the tranny engages with the engine, you need to look at the >linkage assembly and master cylinder. > >I'm assuming that it's a stock style pressure plate. > >- Tony > >At 11:28 AM 3/31/2007, Chuck Arnold wrote: >>Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my >>TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to >>test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch >>must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I >>can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" >>for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota >>conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's >>were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about >>to pull the %%&&** tranny again. >>Chuck From malaboge at aol.com Sat Mar 31 12:39:36 2007 From: malaboge at aol.com (malaboge at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:39:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <8C941DB1181F157-1780-424A@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Tony- The hip bones connected to ...no wait this is tranny talk. However, its all the same. Usually due to "vigorous " shifting or just old age, the "top hat" bushing in the trans on the mainshaft breaks and allows too much endfloat. This in turn usually pounds the little bronze bush in the center of the planetary set. When this goes away, everything moves waay more than any engineer ever thought it would and the bushing you're looking at is usually the recipient of all the load and it too goes away. Sometimes that bushing, just out of spite, spins in the housing or breaks all on its own. In either case the end result is the same...there never was a replacement available that I'm aware of. So, time to get the lathe out and whittle one. or replace the housing! Broken gears and tears..... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: tony at tonydrews.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From kaskas at cox.net Sat Mar 31 15:31:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> <8C941DB1181F157-1780-424A@WEBMAIL-MA13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <001401c773db$e6f64600$690fc548@RWKastner> Good advice. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: malaboge at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Overdrive issue Tony- The hip bones connected to ...no wait this is tranny talk. However, its all the same. Usually due to "vigorous " shifting or just old age, the "top hat" bushing in the trans on the mainshaft breaks and allows too much endfloat. This in turn usually pounds the little bronze bush in the center of the planetary set. When this goes away, everything moves waay more than any engineer ever thought it would and the bushing you're looking at is usually the recipient of all the load and it too goes away. Sometimes that bushing, just out of spite, spins in the housing or breaks all on its own. In either case the end result is the same...there never was a replacement available that I'm aware of. So, time to get the lathe out and whittle one. or replace the housing! Broken gears and tears..... Nick in Nor Cal -----Original Message----- From: tony at tonydrews.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 8:10 PM Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number listed with Moss for it. I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an intact part in it on my website at http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . I would REALLY appreciate it if anyone who has OD experience would follow the link (I promise it's safe) and take a quick look at the pictures. Have you seen this problem? What's the fix? Is there one? Is the bushing a non-replaceable item? Right now, I'm probably looking at taking the pump housing out of the "spare" OD, but I don't know the condition of the bores etc. in it. Is that bushing something I can press out of one housing and put in the other? Another possibility is to take another 0.125 thick thrust washer, open up the ID to fit over the the output shaft of the transmission, and "pin" it to the pump housing. Thanks for making it this far in this message, and thanks in advance for the flood of great advice that will pour forth... - Tony Drews PS - Shameless plugs: Mag wheels on e-bay: 250098005686 [] Tilton flywheeel and dual plate clutch on e-bay: 250097971114 TR-7 5 spd clutch disc on e-bay: 250097981947 Brake Pads, Wilwood Dynalite Single on e-bay: 250097986151 [] (gotta fund that new crankshaft) _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Mar 31 16:23:35 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:23:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <20070331232329.B17C8187AFC@autox.team.net> I thought you might be interested in my continuing OD saga. Thanks to all for the excellent advice! I took the OD mostly apart and documented my findings on the overdrive page I created: http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm What's amazing is that the OD worked just fine at the last race. If you look at the pictures on my OD page, you'll be amazed that it worked at all (I was anyway). Also, Randall sent me a PDF of the Laycock A-type overdrive manual, so I posted it on that same web page, along with links to Larry's excellent tranny and OD articles. - Tony Drews At 10:10 PM 3/30/2007, Tony Drews wrote: > I drained the oil from my tranny and found a couple of disturbing > pieces in the oil. They are from the overdrive. With Larry's rebuild > instructions in hand, I ordered the parts that looked likely. Earlier > this evening I took the overdrive off of the tranny to begin the > process of replacing those thrust washers. However, the problem > wasn't what I thought it would be. It turns out that there's a "top > hat" bushing in the "pump housing" that the eccentric that runs the OD > oil pump rests against. You can see it in the background of the > exploded diagrams of the factory manual and Moss catalogs, but there's > no little number and arrow pointing to it. There's no part number > listed with Moss for it. > I've got pictures of the OD / broken part and of another OD with an > intact part in it on my website at > http://www.tonydrews.com/Overdrive/overdrive_problem.htm . > From tarch at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 31 16:23:54 2007 From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:23:54 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Overdrive issue In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20070331040958.DC7F21879DA@autox.team.net><8cbd782d0703310905t6ed912cdp7a497aa4fd4f1962@mail.gmail.com><460e8981.29cef961.038f.7447SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <8cbd782d0703310928g2a620b56he0c79fb1423fadd8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c773e3$448e10c0$6501a8c0@RTA> I personally know a dummy who once installed his TR-4 clutch plate in backwards. It would not disengage until he took the %%&&** tranny back out and turned it around. It worked quite nicely after that. Richard Taylor Good luck. If you are still on I have a quick question. Got my TR250 [TR5] to run this week [big achievement]. Took it out to test drive and the engine is not talking to the tranny. Clutch must be stuck in the engaged position. I just installed it. All I can think of is that the part with the clutch fingers is too "tall" for this setup. I had been using it [it is a Spec] with my Toyota conversion. I am now back to the TR tranny. Thought the clutch's were interchangeable. Does my reasoning seem sound as I am about to pull the %%&&** tranny again. Chuck