From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 06:33:40 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:33:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c7a409$2d9d8f70$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
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Cool!


That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Jun  1 06:59:03 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
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Greg, this is the greatest week of the year (in my opinion), the following 
week there is another historic race in Portland 
http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ , This makes for a great week of racing. 
It is also a 3 day event and Bill Babcock has done a lot to increase the non 
Racing fun as well.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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To: <jibjib at att.net>; <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
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Subject: Re: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!


> Cool!
>
>
> That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!
>
> Greg
>
> Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois
>
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Jun  1 08:29:02 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3  Emergency Brake Handle
In-Reply-To: <d36.90ef40c.3390c9c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <277341.1047.qm@web81215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gary: Give me a couple of hours to check my stuff and I'll email you back. I have a good feeling about it. Thanks - Ed

AA00727 at aol.com wrote:  Any TR-3 racers have an Emergency Brake handle laying around that is in good 
shape? I'm restoring a TR for the street.
Gary Blihovde 



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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  1 10:36:32 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:36:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
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Actually it's the CRC over labor day that I got involved with, but I  
agree that this week is the best one for vintage racing in the  
Northwest. I won't be here this year or course, but because the  
Pacific Northwest Historics and the Portland Historics are just a  
week apart we get a lot of really great cars that otherwise stay at  
their home tracks.

Have a great time. If you need some suggestions for great  
restaurants, brewpubs, or places to be please feel free to ask. The  
Rose festival starts today, next week is fleet week, the tall ships  
are already here, moored down along front ave. If you're coming the  
end of June the parades and stuff will be pretty much over, but some  
Rose Festival activities pretty much run until July http:// 
www.rosefestival.org/events/. When you get to Portland be sure to go  
up to the Rose Gardens, the Arboretum and Japanese gardens. Grab a  
picnic lunch from Elephant's deli on 22nd and Burnside before you go-- 
spectacular food and an amazing place all by itself.

Bill Babcock
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On Jun 1, 2007, at 5:59 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> Greg, this is the greatest week of the year (in my opinion), the  
> following
> week there is another historic race in Portland
> http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ , This makes for a great week of  
> racing.
> It is also a 3 day event and Bill Babcock has done a lot to  
> increase the non
> Racing fun as well.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
> To: <jibjib at att.net>; <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
>
>
>> Cool!
>>
>>
>> That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois
>>
>> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun  1 11:20:45 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:20:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] North to Alaska & The Pacific Northwest-Most of June
Message-ID: <c7b.11f9b714.3391af6d@cs.com>

List:

If in the unlikely event anyone is looking for us, we will be departing 
shortly for Alaska. We return to the Pacific Northwest (Seattle first) on the 20th 
of June.

Two nights in Seattle is planned. Likely somewhere near the city for some 
rambling around, before flying back to midwest. (I think we leave about the time 
than Uncle Jack arrives)

I will likely have access to email from time to time, but under the 
circumstances, my new bride might find it an unecessary diversion.

Joe (A)

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From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 14:55:31 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cadillac-Triumph
Message-ID: <BAY130-F199F7A9F1238FD655D3F7CA52C0@phx.gbl>

Who was looking for info on a Cad-Triumph? I came across an entry in a 
program for Iowa City Airport Races, 1954. But can't attach it, of course. 
Doesn't say, but I imagine it's a Roadster.

John H.

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun  1 16:03:10 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:03:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Cadillac-Triumph
Message-ID: <bf6.15654ef2.3391f19e@cs.com>

It resided in Hudson, Iowa, for a long time...that's a few miles from me.  I 
might be able to locate the guy who had it. I think he still lives there.

It was like a Mayflower or something....

Do you have a copy that you could send of the entry?

Joe A

> 
> Who was looking for info on a Cad-Triumph? I came across an entry in a 
> program for Iowa City Airport Races, 1954. But can't attach it, of course. 
> Doesn't say, but I imagine it's a Roadster.
> 
> John H.
> 

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jun  1 18:01:17 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:01:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <4660B34D.4070200@pobox.com>

Speaking of food in Seattle, does the North Lake Tavern (north side of 
Lake Union) still exist?  They always had the best pizza in town.
Larry Young

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jun  2 01:05:01 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:05:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
References: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4661169D.5070402@bradakis.com>

There's a pretty good chance that I'll be there, not as an entrant, though.
I'll just be one of the annoying pests rambling through the pits.  I do have
an urge to do something, maybe haul my smoker out there and cook up
a mess of pulled pork, or maybe beef brisket or some such for one of the
evening get togethers.

As for cars,  unlikely I'll have all my parts neatly inventoried by then,
but if something unfortunate happens to one of the race cars I'll do my
best  to set it right.  And the shop is only about a 45 minute drive from
the track.  I'm not adverse to an all night wrenching marathon, given
the proper lubricant.

I'm certainly looking forward to the event.

mjb.

From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Jun  2 11:32:49 2007
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] no (lbc)
Message-ID: <001e01c7a53c$0b17fa10$6501a8c0@alex>

Does any one know the manufacture of the very large styro-foam blocks that
Watkins Glenn places around the track for thier version of a soft wall  These
blocks are in the range of 3' X 2' X 6'  thanks   rob

From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  2 12:09:16 2007
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <005101c7a541$22f1fcd0$609aed45@yourf78bf48ce2>

My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive to
Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.

From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  2 12:09:16 2007
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <005101c7a541$22f1fcd0$609aed45@yourf78bf48ce2>

My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive to
Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Jun  2 12:16:59 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:16:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <be0.146696ed.33930e1b@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2007 11:09:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net writes:


> 
> 
> My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive 
> to
> Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
> there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.
> 

Damn Jerry, that's too cool and very ambitious.  Then the next weekend you'll 
be at Cal Speedway, right?  Can someone do a walk-in entry at Portland?  
Steve


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From henry at henryfrye.com  Sat Jun  2 13:46:11 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:46:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F911@server.Triumph.local>

I just got back from vacation and saw this, nice try Jeff.

Ya can't railroad me into this one...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Snook
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP

> I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.
>
> I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives
> close to the track!

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 19:12:34 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next to last call for FOT t-shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12D6118C66864908B106E5BA210@phx.gbl>

OK folks. We are nearing the end of the order time for t-shirts. Minimum order
is 72 shirts and we only have 57 so far. I replied to each order email so if
you did not get a confirmation email from me I did not get your order.So if
you are thinking about an order for shirts better get it in now.Marty
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jun  3 20:19:00 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7a64e$b7c96ec0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I was sure hoping to make it to what sounds like a great event at a
wonderful track.  However, 3 weeks ago, my equipment didn't just beat me, it
gave me a thorough thrashing.  I fired my engine builder (me) and am going
with a pro.  It's highly unlikely that the new engine will be done in time
to make Miller.

It's really a shame since I was looking forward to not only racing at a new
facility with a new group of folks, but mainly getting to know some of the
FOT group.  My car is the only Triumph that routinely races in the Oregon
Region vintage group.  We end up pitting with all the Spridget guys and I
think some bad Juju is rubbing off on the Spitfire.

Maybe next year.

Jim Norlin

From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sat Jun  2 16:59:37 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:59:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<003a01c7a1b6$bd6b63c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<000401c7a1e8$4a5d46a0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004501c7a569$b2f79e70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've fired up the engine today and the alternator is charging 20 amps...
Only the warning lamp isn't connected at the moment.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator


> Here's what I found at this link, which does not seem to be working any
> more - good thing I printed it out - "Light - when the alternator is
> running, this terminal puts out a charging voltage.  It is usually wired
> through an incandescent light which has 12V switched at the other end.  When
> the alternator is charging, there is 12 V at both ends so the light does not
> turn on.  When the alternator is not charging for some reason, there is 12V
> coming from the  ignition side but low voltage or ground at the alternator
> side and the light will turn on"
> I don't know why you got 5 amps in your situation.
>
> www.davisengineering.net/spitaltupgrade.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thank you for this explanation.
> is the trouble light connector at the alternator (+) and the lamp has to be
> the ground side?
>
> Does this alternator consume -5 Amps when the engine is not spinning?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
> To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
> > Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just installed,
> > which
> > worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the threaded
> > nut
> > takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This
> > alternator
> > also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy Sprint
> > wiring
> > harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.  One
of
> > those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
> > ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a signal
> > to
> > tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three blades form
> > a
> > "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the bottom of
> > the
> > "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of the U
and
> > it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one can be
> > hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator is not
> > charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained why
> > this
> > works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your
> > friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the engine
> > just
> > pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no longer
being
> > told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car runs
off
> > the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an hour
> > or
> > so.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
> >
> >
> > > Hi @ all,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
> > > But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to
> > > the
> > > car?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> > > To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Sprint Alternator
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Paul,
> > >
> > > I'm Chris from Germany.
> > > I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at
> > > Kas
> > > book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
> > > If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the
> > > amperemeter
> > > shows -5A.
> > >
> > > What trick is needed to install the alternator?
> > > At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
> > > The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched
> > > (+).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > PS: Thanks in advance for help.
> > >
> > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name
> > > of
> > > 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Jun  4 09:33:16 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:33:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller - Kastner Cup 2007!
Message-ID: <8C974D4CE2075FC-1DD4-D90@WEBMAIL-RA14.sysops.aol.com>

Hello everyone,

The Thriller at Miller is less than 1 month away amnd it looks like the event
is shaping up nicely!B  Here's the list of entrants to date:











Chuck Gee

Spitifre



Mike Bruner

TR4



Mordy Dunst

TR4



Steve Smith

GT6



Ken Gillanders/Preston Kaenel

TR3



Paul Smock

TR4



Bob Miller

TR3A



Dennis DeLap

TR4



Chuck Arnold

TR5



Joe Alexander

TR4/Ambro?



John Frymark

TR4



Dean Tetterton

Warwick GT



Jerry Barker

Herald





I hope some more of the FOT from the midwest can make it, we did try to make
the west coast venue as far east as possible.

Here are more details regarding the venue and the race:


Entry Fees:

$450 for all Three Days, $50 2nd Car, same driver

$350 Sat, Sun Only

$50 Touring session during lunch B( Pay at track.

B 

Race Entry Fee Includes:

Friday Night Driversb Reception Party, with Live Music!
Saturday Night Dinner, Club House
Sunday Awards Party s Awards for Top Three Class Winners in the Feature

B 

World Class Race Facility is bDisneyland for Racersb

Grand Prix Garages feature air conditioning and Speed Channel TV!

For garage rental rates and reservations, call 1-866-297-2636.

RV Paddock Parking features showers and electrical hookups!

$26.50 per day, RV parking B( Electrical hook-up, $30 per weekend B( RV Dump
on site

Race Fuel will be available at the track.

Tire Support available, Topless Performance, 877-728-0914

Order tires by June 21, 2007 to have the freshest rubber available.

Additional Accommodations:

Best Western Inn, 1.800.448.5010 , 365 N. Main, Tooele, Utah

The American Inn & Suites, 435-882-6100, 491 S. Main St., Tooele, UT

The Hampton Inn, 435-843-7700, 461 S. Main St., Tooele, UT

B 

Truck wash available, Blue Beacon Truck Wash, Exit 99 of I-80.


More info will be posted on the FOT site shortly.

When you get to the track, look for the large three car trailer we brought to
Hallett.B  That will be FOT headquarters.B  It would be great if we could all
pit together and we'll make every effort to do so.B  Kas and Peg will be there
with us and we'll have a few surprises as well.B  Mark Bradakis has even
volunteered to barbeque, so there will be good times!

If you haven't done so already, please register.B  The entry form can be found
here:

http://vararacing.com/Overall1.html


Thanks and hope to see you all there!

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jun  4 20:37:29 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:37:29 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Southwick Axle bearings
Message-ID: <20070604.193811.22570.325271@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Does anyone have the bearing number or know what vehicle the bearings fit for
the Southwick converted TR3/4 rear axles?  I have the number at home, but am
up in Maine for a few days and want to see if I can pick one up at an
autoparts store.  One seems to have a lot of play (did not get a chance to
measure it).  I had a problem with a lot of caliper knock-back (I have rear
discs too) a few weeks ago and finally got around to checking things before
hitting the road for the week (and forgot to take the # with me).  Had no
initial pedal going into the corners, but I also ran my fastest laps at Lime
Rock (1:00.98).  Guess I don't need so much brakes after all.
I have 6/1000 run-out in one rear hub flange (did not measure the end float,
but guessing it is over 20/1000").  That 6/1000 run-out at the hub is
translating to 12/1000 at the rotor.   I may also have a bent axle or
Southwick hub, but did not hit anything that may have caused that.  A few
weeks ago was my 1st time out this year and I did not have such problems last
year.  Later this week I can get the axle on centers and see better what is
going on, but want to be sure to have a bearing just in case.  Joe(B)

From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue Jun  5 05:35:48 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F926@server.Triumph.local>

I just added an update to the fot-racing.com website on The Thriller at
Miller!

Wish I was going...

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed Jun  6 19:03:50 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>

Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the 
manufacturer and are now available.

These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress 
to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent 
leaky intakes and exhaust headers.

Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.

And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  6 20:01:19 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
In-Reply-To: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>

OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
are why I'm faster than last year?  :)

They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
these actually work.

- Tony Drews

At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
>manufacturer and are now available.
>
>These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
>to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
>leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
>
>Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
>
>And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
>
>uncle jack

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Jun  6 20:08:43 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
In-Reply-To: <20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>
References: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <466768AB.4080702@greenheart.com>

My silicone gaskets under the valve cover... Jack's manifold gaskets... 
head gaskets from Mordy... Before you know it... all these TR engines 
are going to implode from the inability to take a piss and mark their 
territories... It just ain't natural to plug 'em up like this! LOL...

: )

--Justin

Tony Drews wrote:

>OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
>installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
>exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
>are why I'm faster than last year?  :)
>
>They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
>these actually work.
>
>- Tony Drews
>
>At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>  
>
>>Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
>>manufacturer and are now available.
>>
>>These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
>>to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
>>leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
>>
>>Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
>>
>>And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
>>
>>uncle jack
>>    
>>
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From aerodin at swbell.net  Wed Jun  6 21:51:32 2007
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats
Message-ID: <466780C4.5050204@swbell.net>

Top Secret as it is, Dad (Larry) is looking to get back into the saddle 
this fall. This is contingent on several things but among them is 
getting a proper seat in the car.

Ergo, the blow-moulded roller coaster job we have now won't hack it.

Among those we've tried, the Sparco EVO II seems to fit the human 
component(s) best however the lip on the bottom won't pass the tunnel. 
We are mounting this as close to the floor as possible based on 
respective heights. EVO II would correspond to a Large in Sparco I 
believe. It's a narrow cockpit. Has anyone out there found a good fit 
for larger drivers? It's basically a decision between Al and Fiberglas 
at this point. Would prefer fiber for the comfort/fit aspect and greatly 
appreciate suggestions as always.

Cheers,

-Tom

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  7 06:22:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:22:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <cb7.e5321ad.3399529f@cs.com>

No, we are talking reality here....We installed a set at Road America in 
desperation. Sean had spent literally HOURS at home trying to eliminate a MASSIVE 
manifold leak with unforgiving header. 

Simple installation trackside = 100% cure.

We expect to get more than one use out of them, with care, and I will never 
use anything else again.  Thanks Jack!

Joe (A)


> OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
> installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
> exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
> are why I'm faster than last year?  :)
> 
> They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
> these actually work.
> 
> - Tony Drews
> 
> At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
> >Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
> >manufacturer and are now available.
> >
> >These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
> >to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
> >leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
> >
> >Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
> >
> >And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
> >
> >uncle jack
> 

   </HTML>

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun  7 06:23:25 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD42@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
the TR7?

Scott B.

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  7 06:32:39 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD42@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F4BF9AEA5A7646E48209B6D2260@phx.gbl>

TR4 Wheel base   88.1ins
Track (front)        49
        (rear)          48

TR7 Wheel base   85 ins
Track (front/rear) 55.5

`Hope it helps

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
>
>Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
>the TR7?
>
>Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun  7 06:33:31 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]  RE:  TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F4BF9AEA5A7646E48209B6D2260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD43@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 Thanks, it does!

-----Original Message-----
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:33 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] RE: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
Importance: Low

TR4 Wheel base   88.1ins
Track (front)        49
        (rear)          48

TR7 Wheel base   85 ins
Track (front/rear) 55.5

`Hope it helps

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
>
>Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
>the TR7?
>
>Scott B.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  7 06:35:31 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:35:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!!     David Hesse   Portage, WI
Message-ID: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>

FOT List:

Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now 
gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support on the build.

DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
    
The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to 
reciprocate.

Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.

David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun  7 06:42:27 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:42:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
In-Reply-To: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>
References: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20070607124036.922BA1879CC@autox.team.net>

Second!  Anyone daft (um, er, brilliant) enough to build another 
Ambro deserves our support.

- Tony Drews

At 07:35 AM 6/7/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>FOT List:
>
>Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now
>gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support 
>on the build.
>
>DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
>
>The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to
>reciprocate.
>
>Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
>
>David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
>
>Joe Alexander

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jun  7 07:15:46 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:15:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <cd0.1070a456.33995f02@aol.com>

I've been using these on the GT6 for a while and they are good ones.  Last 
time around I sandwiched them between two layers of aluminum foil to see if they 
don't stick making reuse easier.  We'll see...

No, we are talking reality here....We installed a set at Road America in 
desperation. Sean had spent literally HOURS at home trying to eliminate a 
MASSIVE 
manifold leak with unforgiving header. 

Simple installation trackside = 100% cure.

We expect to get more than one use out of them, with care, and I will never 
use anything else again.  Thanks Jack!

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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun  7 09:11:12 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:11:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Parts Needed
Message-ID: <8C9772D3855FC3E-15C4-BE34@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,B 

I'm looking for a 4.1 ring and pinion, a Locker or LSD, and a 1" (or so) front
anti-roll bar for a TR4.

If you have any orB  all of these parts to sell.....


Thanks!

Rich Rock
Pottstown, PA
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Thu Jun  7 11:57:58 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
Message-ID: <111825949.1181239078627.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>

Thank you for the nomination into the FoT.
My names David Hesse and I currently reside in Portage WI. I've been playing with British cars since I was 8 years old, so I guess it's been a 34 year love affair with these little beasts. I started by helping my father restore a 52 MGTD, which is still in the family. Other cars restored/worked on along the way include 69 Triumph GT6, various MGs, 59 Austin Healey 100/6, 67 Mustang convertible, Austin Healey H Production race car, MG Midget F Production race car, and a 58 Warwick Peerless. Currently have in the shop a 74 Mini, 73 MG Midget G Production racecar, 55 Austin Healey 100/4 (under restoration), and a 48 Ford Business Coupe (step son's street rod project). Plus, my new wife has a 35 Ford 5 window coupe street rod in the garage.
Now I'm embarking on the build of an Ambro. This started with Joe helping me to sell a TR3 engine and gearbox. We got to discussing projects and we began to talk about the Ambro. I'll be heading down to AR on June 22nd to pick up a TR4 rolling chassis in order to get started. Needless to say, I still have the engine and gearbox.
I like to drive and particularly race the cars I build. I've been part of the Madison Sports Car Club for years. That's where I started doing autox in a 73 MG Midget. Sold that car to buy a dedicated autox MG Midget. Ran that a couple of years and then stripped it to the shell and rebuilt it into an F Production racecar and went wheel to wheel racing with the Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs. Sold that car along the way and now have a 73 MG Midget GP car.
Once the Ambro is completed, I'll be joining the ranks of the VSCDA and SVRA to race with them. The initial goal is to have the car ready for the VSCDA's Spring Break Driver's school weekend. Hopefully with the help of a few friends we'll meet that goal.
Professionally I'm an IT worker. I work for the State of Wisconsin and support the state's data communications infrastructure.
Thanks and see you all at the tracks.
David Hesse
Portage, WI


---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

=============
Second! Anyone daft (um, er, brilliant) enough to build another
Ambro deserves our support.

- Tony Drews

At 07:35 AM 6/7/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>FOT List:
>
>Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now
>gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support
>on the build.
>
>DAVID HESSE d.hesse at charter.net
>
>The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to
>reciprocate.
>
>Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
>
>David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
>
>Joe Alexander

From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jun  7 15:45:06 2007
From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
Message-ID: <1006255106.1181252706200.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

  I have known David as long as I have been a member of the Midwestern Councill. I would gladly second the nomination! Welcome to the dark side David.
  Jeff Senty
 gp89blue
--- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 
> FOT List:
> 
> Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now 
> gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support on the build.
> 
> DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
>     
> The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to 
> reciprocate.
> 
> Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
> 
> David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
> 
> Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From a.r.gibson at bigpond.com  Fri Jun  8 18:36:29 2007
From: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com (Andrew Gibson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:36:29 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats
In-Reply-To: <466780C4.5050204@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20070609003635.CZKB17816.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>

Tom
Cobra Clubman (UK) fit the car,---could not guarantee the bum!
Andrew Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of T.R. Young
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 1:52 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats

Top Secret as it is, Dad (Larry) is looking to get back into the saddle 
this fall. This is contingent on several things but among them is 
getting a proper seat in the car.

Ergo, the blow-moulded roller coaster job we have now won't hack it.

Among those we've tried, the Sparco EVO II seems to fit the human 
component(s) best however the lip on the bottom won't pass the tunnel. 
We are mounting this as close to the floor as possible based on 
respective heights. EVO II would correspond to a Large in Sparco I 
believe. It's a narrow cockpit. Has anyone out there found a good fit 
for larger drivers? It's basically a decision between Al and Fiberglas 
at this point. Would prefer fiber for the comfort/fit aspect and greatly 
appreciate suggestions as always.

Cheers,

-Tom
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jun  9 05:59:20 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
Message-ID: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
          Can anyone help with the name and details of a TR3/4 chassis manufacture in the states please? 

Regards Jim


      
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sat Jun  9 06:30:01 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:30:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
In-Reply-To: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200706091230.l59CUA6B228724@ns3.geneseo.net>

Take a look at

www.rat-co.com

I find it borderline unbelievable that anybody would set up an such 
an excellent manufacturing facility to make a product for such a 
niche market -- but he's the real thing, making a superb quality 
product. He makes TR2 - 3 - 4 - 4A - 250-6. There must be a bigger 
demand than I imagined.


At 06:59 AM 6/9/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>Hi all,
>           Can anyone help with the name and details of a TR3/4 
> chassis manufacture in the states please?
>
>Regards Jim
>
>
>
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>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jun  9 06:32:30 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
Message-ID: <520142.1094.qm@web51810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Henry that's who I was after!

Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, 9 June, 2007 10:28:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Chassis


http://rat-co.com/

Jim,

I had a nice conversation with Tony, (the owner) it seemed to me he is
selling a very nice project.

I had just ripped one side of the front suspension out of my TR4 racer
and was looking at options. I didn't go that route, I had my frame
fixed.

One item of note, he is using a different size frame rail than Coventry
did. Probably not a big deal with the racer crowd, but a real downer for
the shiner crowd looking to 400 point concours restoration!

Cheers

Henry Frye
Triumph Technology Consultants
860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cun
> Sent: June 09, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Chassis
> 
> Hi all,
>           Can anyone help with the name and details of a 
> TR3/4 chassis manufacture in the states please? 
> 
> Regards Jim
> 
> 
>       
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Jun  9 18:13:56 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:13:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
Message-ID: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>

Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've got 
about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve



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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sat Jun  9 20:38:35 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
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I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum 
1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works perfect. 
If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and screw 
them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount is 
a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to 
the inner roof sill.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've 
> got
> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
>
>
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sun Jun 10 02:50:46 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:50:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
References: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><4655ABA5.2010601@pobox.com>
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I've added a conclusion on my forum with some photos about my investigations.

http://www.tr4-racing.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41#41

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sun Jun 10 06:43:19 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] wow
Message-ID: <200706101243.l5AChWps406782@ns3.geneseo.net>

I'm impressed.

Wonderful picture of the Forever Young yellow TR3 on the cover of Victory Lane.

Congratulations!

uncle jack 



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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Jun 10 14:47:22 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
	<007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>
Message-ID: <002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Keep new rule in mind -- disconnected net must fall down, over door (not up, 
over roof).

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: <Gt6steve at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Window nets?


>I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum
> 1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works 
> perfect.
> If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and 
> screw
> them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount 
> is
> a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to
> the inner roof sill.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
>
>
>> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
>> got
>> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
>>
>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 10 14:50:29 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
In-Reply-To: <002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
	<007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>
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Another mounting tip: if at all possible, the net should connect to 
the roll bar, not the car body.

In my rollover, the window net, which was attached to the drivers 
door and the roof of the car, was totally ineffective.  Only my death 
grip on the steering wheel prevented bad things from occurring.  When 
the car stopped, the door was opened against the front fender, and 
the roof was flapping in the wind.  Not a bad idea to do arm 
restraints in addition to the window net.

- Tony

At 03:47 PM 6/10/2007, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>Keep new rule in mind -- disconnected net must fall down, over door (not up,
>over roof).
>
>--Rocky Entriken
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>To: <Gt6steve at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Window nets?
>
>
> >I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum
> > 1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works
> > perfect.
> > If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and
> > screw
> > them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount
> > is
> > a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to
> > the inner roof sill.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> > To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
> >
> >
> >> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
> >> got
> >> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
> >>
> >>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Jun 10 16:13:14 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Transport
Message-ID: <974540.48425.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends: My son just bought a car out of Phoenix, Arizona and is trying to arrange transport of it to the DFW area of TX. Are there any listers coming this way from that area that would like to earn some extra income? I haven't started calling around to any transport companies yet. Thought I'd give the list a shot first. Thanks - Ed

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jun 11 06:10:53 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:10:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DFC6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.  Lots of
head scratching and no racing.

Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296 Spitfire
motor is at 55-57 deg advanced.  I'm not typically in the habit of
disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to think at
this point.  The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of advance, let
alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.

Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?

Is it possible that 3 timing lights are simultaneously wrong, but all
give the same erroneous reading?  They're all the type with the dial on
the butt end - we need that since the earlier Spitfire has just a narrow
single pointer at the pulley, not a broad pointer with 25 or 30 degrees
marked on each side of zero.

1.   The car runs when the timing lights say it's at 57 degrees of
advance and it WON'T run (will barely idle and is non-responsive to
throttle inputs) when it's set back to 30 degrees of advance according
to the timing lights.

2.  When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the rotor is pointing JUST past
the position for the #1 plug wire (nowhere close to the 30 degr.  or so
past which it would be if the timing was actually 57 degrees advanced).

3.  The distributor drive gear appears to be in the correct position.
When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the drive gear is pointing
3:30-9:30, with the wider side of the slotted gear "down" (towards your
knees as you're sitting on the tire, cursing and mumbling to yourself
because you were just certain this was going to be the answer).  It
looks just like the picture in the manual.

4.  We also did the "set the timing by ear" thing, where you run the
car, rotate the distributor to advance the timing as the revs pick up
until it starts to stumble a bit, then rotate it back to retard the
timing until it quits stumbling and the revs drop just a bit.  The car
runs best when the timing is set there.  Checked with the timing lights
-- you guessed it -- 57 deg advance.

5.  Watching the rocker arms move up and down, the openings and closings
look right for the cam specs -- no dial indicator in the track boxes,
but the movements are at least approximately in the right place and
concentric-ish around TDC.

6.  As a further check on the cam installation, we measured the distance
before TDC on the crank pulley at which the intake starts to open.
Intake is supposed to open at 19 deg BTDC at 0.050" lift off the seat.
On a 4.75" pulley that should be a little more than 3/4 of an inch on
the rim of the pulley when the valve has just started to go down
(measured by eye on the valve and with a carpenter's tape measure on the
pulley -- yeah, we're gettin' reeeeeaaal scientific here)   (4.75 *
3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 19 = 0.798 inches).  It looked to be in
approximately the right spot, or at least as close as you can check with
no dial indicator to see when you're at 0.050" of lift and using a steel
tape measure on a round pulley.

7.  And using the same extremely scientific methods, we looked to see
that the distributor rotor was pointing approximately at #1 plug wire
location when the pointer was just about 0.5 inches before TDC #1 firing
(18 degrees of mechanical advance in the Mallory so 12 deg static
advance).  (4.75 * 3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 12 = 0.497 inches).

What the heck am I missing here?  Can the timing actually be at 30 deg
adv, while the timing lights are saying it's at 60-ish?  And if that's
possible, how?  what would cause it?

Scott B.

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jun 11 06:32:24 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:32:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  Bad Time
Message-ID: <20070611123027.A5405187AC6@autox.team.net>

I recently found the same thing, and have stopped using the dial back 
timing light.  I put an extra mark on my pulley at 30 degrees.

In my case, the cause is an ignition system that sends and extra 
(unneeded) spark to each cylinder during the exhaust stroke.

This causes an actual advance of 28 degrees to appear to be well over 
50 degrees on the dial back timing light.

I have no idea why you would have that effect with your ignition 
setup.  It seems that a double spark confuses the timing light.

- Tony

>At 07:10 AM 6/11/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.  Lots of
>>head scratching and no racing.
>>
>>Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296 Spitfire
>>motor is at 55-57 deg advanced.  I'm not typically in the habit of
>>disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to think at
>>this point.  The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of advance, let
>>alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.
>>
>>Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
>>the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
>>all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?
>>
>>Is it possible that 3 timing lights are simultaneously wrong, but all
>>give the same erroneous reading?  They're all the type with the dial on
>>the butt end - we need that since the earlier Spitfire has just a narrow
>>single pointer at the pulley, not a broad pointer with 25 or 30 degrees
>>marked on each side of zero.
>>
>>1.   The car runs when the timing lights say it's at 57 degrees of
>>advance and it WON'T run (will barely idle and is non-responsive to
>>throttle inputs) when it's set back to 30 degrees of advance according
>>to the timing lights.
>>
>>2.  When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the rotor is pointing JUST past
>>the position for the #1 plug wire (nowhere close to the 30 degr.  or so
>>past which it would be if the timing was actually 57 degrees advanced).
>>
>><snip> to make it through the list



>>7.  And using the same extremely scientific methods, we looked to see
>>that the distributor rotor was pointing approximately at #1 plug wire
>>location when the pointer was just about 0.5 inches before TDC #1 firing
>>(18 degrees of mechanical advance in the Mallory so 12 deg static
>>advance).  (4.75 * 3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 12 = 0.497 inches).
>>
>>What the heck am I missing here?  Can the timing actually be at 30 deg
>>adv, while the timing lights are saying it's at 60-ish?  And if that's
>>possible, how?  what would cause it?
>>
>>Scott B.

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Jun 11 09:19:47 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DFC6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <337375.80484.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott: Being an electronic engineer I'll tell you a secret...those lights with the dial in the handle rarely read correctly when new, and time just degrades them. Mark the pulley! Secondly, if you are using an inductive light and solid core wires you are picking up adjacent plugs firing. I love solid core wires, but they seem to make the more sensitive electronic add-on's react strangely. Rev limiters go nuts, MSD's don't work right, and inductive lights pick-up adjacent plugs. I have been using a 35+ year old timing light that hooks directly to the plug. No stray noise pick-up. I will say that I have stopped using solid core wires when using sensitive electronics. Thanks - Ed 


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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 11 11:34:03 2007
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <127096.85891.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott,
 
Most distributorless ignitions give exactly that symptom. If you're electronic and you have two coils rather than four that's your situation. All standard timing lights read 2x the actual advance because there is an extra spark going to each cylinder. Each coil has two output towers and services two cylinders. The cylinder that has a dense fuel/air mixture absorbs most of the spark energy. The opposite cylinder is on the exhaust stroke at roughly one atmosphere, absorbs next to no energy and the extra spark is harmless.
 
There are higher-end timing lights that have a switch for "waste spark" and two-stroke ignitions (same situation, spark occurs twice as often as a standard timing light expects). All it does is divide by two in that mode. OTC 3367 is one model. They are hard to find in stores but easy online.
 
Don't know if you built this one to vintage or prod specs. If you have a conventional distributor system, replace your capacitor. You may be getting extra spurious sparks that the capacitor is meant to damp. That confuses timing lights too. You might also check the fine wire that grounds the moving points baseplate to the housing.
 
Gary Schneider



----- Original Message ----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10:53 AM
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time


...Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Jun 11 12:04:42 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:04:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV4A8723849A6A7D06732FAB71A0@phx.gbl>

Steve,
You can buy window net mounting kits with seat belt buckle type releases from
Leary Racing Products. All, or most of, the pieces you will need are
included.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gt6steve at aol.com<mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com>
  To: FOT at autox.team.net<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:13 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


  Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
got
  about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 11 13:10:12 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV4A8723849A6A7D06732FAB71A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <622444.54198.qm@web58903.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Make sure you get the bottom bar as well.  There is some welding involved.
   
  I have used a similar system in the past, easy with no fuss.
   
  Also available from Racer Wholesale, for comparison shopping.
   
  Ernie

KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com> wrote:
  Steve,
You can buy window net mounting kits with seat belt buckle type releases from
Leary Racing Products. All, or most of, the pieces you will need are
included.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Gt6steve at aol.com
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting. I've
got
about 37 ideas that don't work. How do the pros do it? Steve



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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 11 13:39:51 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
Message-ID: <BAY115-F287B68149B8ED72AF9D7F88C1A0@phx.gbl>

Intuitively, I would have through that window nets only make sense
if the doors are welded shut.

Shane Ingate, what the bleep do I know, in Maryland.

>Another mounting tip: if at all possible, the net should connect to the 
>roll bar, not the car body.
>
>In my rollover, the window net, which was attached to the drivers door and 
>the roof of the car, was totally ineffective.  Only my death grip on the 
>steering wheel prevented bad things from occurring.  When the car stopped, 
>the door was opened against the front fender, and the roof was flapping in 
>the wind.  Not a bad idea to do arm restraints in addition to the window 
>net.

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 12 07:51:10 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Ed Barnard and Tom Strange win the prize.

The question was, given that all of the other observations indicated
that timing was actually at 30 degrees advance, what could cause three
separate timing lights to show timing at 60 degrees advance?  The
answer:  Inductive timing lights and solid core plug wires are a lousy
combination.

While I was beavering away at work yesterday (OK, so I was mostly
emailing you people), Dad dragged the old non-inductive style timing
light off the "dusty stuff" shelf, measured and marked off 30 degrees on
the pulley and there it was.  Steady 30 degrees of advance.  And, as an
added bonus, all of the leaping flashes before and after proper timing
are gone.

Scott B.


----- Original Message -----
From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jun 11 10:16:31 2007
Subject: [BULK]  Re: [Fot] Bad Time

Scott: Being an electronic engineer I'll tell you a secret... if you are
using an inductive light and solid core wires you are picking up
adjacent plugs firing. I love solid core wires, but they seem to make
the more sensitive electronic add-on's react strangely. Rev limiters go
nuts, MSD's don't work right, and inductive lights pick-up adjacent
plugs. I have been using a 35+ year old timing light that hooks directly
to the plug. No stray noise pick-up. I will say that I have stopped
using solid core wires when using sensitive electronics. Thanks - Ed

"Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:

	It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.
Lots of
	head scratching and no racing.

	Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296
Spitfire
	motor is at 55-57 deg advanced. I'm not typically in the habit
of
	disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to
think at
	this point. The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of
advance, let
	alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.

	Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me
that
	the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the
timing lights
	all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance. Is that possible?

From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 12 17:40:24 2007
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Indy F1
Message-ID: <FCEGIHAKDJFAMCOPHGBEGEKCDMAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Anyone going to be at Indy this weekend?

I am the captain at turn 10. Stop by and say hello
if you are in the area. As long as there are no
cars on the track, I'll be glad to chat.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500
1973 Triumph Stag

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun 13 13:53:28 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.

But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.

The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
head, if that makes a difference to anyone.

Scott B.

From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jun 13 15:08:41 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
Message-ID: <112745301.1181768921103.JavaMail.root@fepweb13>

Scott, I'm not sure if this is comparable or not but on my Sprites I'd have the probes 6 inches from the exhaust valve center. Under full load at the end of the straight I'd be looking for about 1250 degrees. That always seemed to be the sweet spot in performance and seems to be what the better National SCCA guys where seeing/doing with theirs. In the shop I'd see about 1000 at about 3000rpms.
Now remember, I'm new to Triumphs so none of that may matter. I'll definitely be checking with the TR3/4 guys when the EGTs are installed in the Ambro.
Dave Hesse
Ambro build ARE-003

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=============
Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
retirement). At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.

But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps? I'm assuming that the 1250
degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.

The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
head, if that makes a difference to anyone.

Scott B.
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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun 13 15:10:46 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <049001c7adff$52a6d740$03fea8c0@remsec1>

I target 1350 but only at the end of a straight, Anything else I ignore. 
When I ran stock pistons 1400 degrees was the fear point. Your situation may 
be different. This was on a 1296 Spitfire comfortable at 7800+ rpm and we 
ran a 34 degree total advance with twin HS-4 SUs.
I run a thermister on pipes 1 and 4 of the headers and can see immediately 
if the carbs are not in perfect synch.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings


> Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
> retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
> of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
> We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.
>
> But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
> degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.
>
> The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
> head, if that makes a difference to anyone.
>
> Scott B.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 13 16:31:38 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:31:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
Message-ID: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>

Amici...

Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a simple, quick and 
dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel tow.  I've checked Behling's and 
Pegasus locally, and they knew of them, but didn't carry them.

Bill Dentinger



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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun 13 17:13:25 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:13:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c7ae10$72761700$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

Most likely you have the probes a little close. The Westach EGT (which I 
have) recommends 4 - 6 inches. You may be in the flame or very close to it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings


> Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
> retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
> of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
> We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.
>
> But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
> degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.
>
> The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
> head, if that makes a difference to anyone.
>
> Scott B.
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Wed Jun 13 18:07:35 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:07:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
In-Reply-To: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F94C@server.Triumph.local>

Moss sells them, but forget the toe stick...

Look at eBay auction # 4526459130.

Forget paying $63 for that, make them yourself.

Hold one plate against one front wheel, get a helper to hold the other
plate against the other wheel. Get a regular carpenters tape measure, or
two matching tapes make it real easy. Insert the tape in the slot behind
the wheel, run tape under car and into the slot behind the wheel on the
other plate. Take your measurement, then get the measurement from the
front slots. Adjust until you get your desired toe.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: June 13, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
>
> Amici...
>
> Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a
> simple, quick and dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel
> tow.  I've checked Behling's and Pegasus locally, and they
> knew of them, but didn't carry them.
>
> Bill Dentinger

From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 13 18:21:30 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
In-Reply-To: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096834@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Could be your spelling--it's TOE. As in toe-in or toe-out. And most
folks make them from scrap. Mine is bent out of conduit/

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:32 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick

Amici...

Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a simple,
quick and dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel tow.  I've checked
Behling's and Pegasus locally, and they knew of them, but didn't carry
them.

Bill Dentinger



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jun 14 08:41:34 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:41:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
Message-ID: <d41.b1c131c.33a2ad9e@aol.com>

Amici...

As usual, I am about a lap and a half behind.

Yes I meant Toe Stick, and not Tow Stick.  My spelling is week.

But more embarrassing is I find my racing partner, Bob Wismer, has one, and 
is bringing it to BLACKHAWK this week end.  We'll use it next weekend (also at 
BLACKHAWK) to try and tune the TALISMAN chassis.

Thanks to all who responded.  All of the advise and comments on 'toe sticks' 
and 'toe plates' was very much appreciated.  

As was you tolerant reception to my spelling weeknesses.  This particularly 
because I am usually such a sarcastic type myself.

Bill (Damdinger)
 


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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 14 08:53:44 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:53:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
In-Reply-To: <d41.b1c131c.33a2ad9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F31F7344AFDC3B9B69E01F0D21F0@phx.gbl>

>As was you tolerant reception to my spelling weeknesses.  This particularly
>because I am usually such a sarcastic type myself.

  Bill... we loves ya in spite of yourself.

  Will the be a whine and cheeze do this weekend?

  I've got a "bang up red" I want to try on youse

Geep

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: BillDentin at aol.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:41:34 EDT
>
>Amici...
>
>As usual, I am about a lap and a half behind.
>
>Yes I meant Toe Stick, and not Tow Stick.  My spelling is week.
>
>But more embarrassing is I find my racing partner, Bob Wismer, has one, and
>is bringing it to BLACKHAWK this week end.  We'll use it next weekend (also 
>at
>BLACKHAWK) to try and tune the TALISMAN chassis.
>
>Thanks to all who responded.  All of the advise and comments on 'toe 
>sticks'
>and 'toe plates' was very much appreciated.
>
>
>Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jun 14 22:07:59 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 DOG legs needed
Message-ID: <000701c7af02$c2f88210$2b24b348@blake1>

I am looking for a set of TR3 dog legs or at least the bottom 6" from
each side.  MOSS # QUARTER PANEL, L/H (dogleg) PN#855-730.  When I
replaced the inner sills and floors, I had to remove about 4-5" off the
bottom of each due to rust.  I don't think I will be able to fabricate
patch panels due to the curvature of the pieces.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jun 15 12:58:18 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:58:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter
Message-ID: <4672E14A.5050104@greenheart.com>

I have one of those oil filter conversions on my TR4A that I have used 
for years.  I have been using a FRAM 3600.   I just found this oil 
filter online from K&N.  I must say, having a 1" nut welded on the end 
to remove the filter sells me!  Here's the link for the K&N filter that 
replaces the FRAM...

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2009


--Justin

From BillB at bnj.com  Fri Jun 15 13:10:17 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:10:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter
In-Reply-To: <4672E14A.5050104@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096837@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Very nice, though the new Fram3600 has rough textured paint on the grip
area that makes R&R pretty easy. I like the safety wire part too. I put
a hose clamp on my filters and safety wire them. But it's not ideal.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Justin Wagner
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter

I have one of those oil filter conversions on my TR4A that I have used
for years.  I have been using a FRAM 3600.   I just found this oil
filter online from K&N.  I must say, having a 1" nut welded on the end
to remove the filter sells me!  Here's the link for the K&N filter that
replaces the FRAM...

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2009


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From jdment at suddenlink.net  Sat Jun 16 14:23:02 2007
From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
Message-ID: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>

Amici

 

I may be purchasing a TR250 from the Washington DC area.

 

It is the Jasmin Yellow one listed in the VTR (www.vtr.org
<http://www.vtr.org/> ) classifieds by Rene Burcksen.

 

Does anyone know this car, seen it in person, know Rene, or have any other
insider information.

 

I'm looking for a fun, reliable car to go to club events while I work on (I
mean race) my TR3.

 

Thanks for any insight.

 

Jim McAndrew

Tyler, Texas 

From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Sat Jun 16 15:21:57 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
In-Reply-To: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>
Message-ID: <000b01c7b05c$63743b30$57e8a8c0@DWC>

Jim,
Sorry, no info on this car or owner.  But if you don't get it let me know, I
might like it.  My first intro to Triumphs was owning a Jasmine yellow 250
in Austin, Texas.

Don W. Carter, AIA
Carter Design Associates
6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
Houston, Texas 77057
(713) 529-2288 Telephone
(713) 789-2330 Fax
don at carterdesignassociates.com



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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of James McAndrew
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:23 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250


Amici



I may be purchasing a TR250 from the Washington DC area.



It is the Jasmin Yellow one listed in the VTR (www.vtr.org
<http://www.vtr.org/> ) classifieds by Rene Burcksen.



Does anyone know this car, seen it in person, know Rene, or have any other
insider information.



I'm looking for a fun, reliable car to go to club events while I work on (I
mean race) my TR3.



Thanks for any insight.



Jim McAndrew

Tyler, Texas
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jun 16 20:25:11 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:25:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
References: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1020EDF38471459A2F05D2C31C0@phx.gbl>

Do watch out for corroded/rusted/soft/dangerous rear trailing arm attachment
points.  Rusted chassis are the bane of the IRS cars.

Terry Stetler

From chasgee at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 08:51:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:51:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2007 Kastner Cup - Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <8C97F0615CC4109-1F18-7CF4@FWM-D38.sysops.aol.com>

All,

The 2007 Kastner Cup race is almost here, so get your entry in right away!
Don't miss this opportunity to race at a great track, with great weather, and,
of course, great FOT hospitality.B  Kas and Peggy will be there to cheer us on
and present the Cup, and, most importantly, poor the champagne.

Details can be found at the FOT website: http://www.fot-racing.com/

Hope to see you there!



Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Sun Jun 17 18:35:06 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:35:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2007 Kastner Cup - Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <20070617.204346.-201659.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

If you are still on the fence about going to Miller, here are a few
thoughts about the destination:

Tooele, Utah, it just sounds like the middle of nowhere. In reality, it
is 30 miles from the Salt Lake City International Airport. Nestled at the
base of the west slope of the Oquirrh Mountains in eastern Tooele County.
The City of Tooele has the amenities expected in the 21st century, yet
still retains some 19th century details. Tooele County, second largest in
Utah, has a motor sports heritage that goes back into the early 20th
century with the Land Speed Record runs conducted at the Bonneville Salt
Flats.
Larry Miller, having been shot down in his efforts to expand facilities
in Mead, Colorado and rejected by Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is a
major presence, accepted the offer from Tooele County to come and look at
a piece of land they had available. Ninety plus million dollars later,
Larry had a state of the art road racing facility a few miles outside
Tooele. The multi configuration track is capable of hosting two events
simultaneously on two, 2+ mile circuits, run an event on the perimeter
track (on which motorcycles have already averaged above 100 MPH), or the
full, 4.65 mile, 23 corner Pro-Circuit. On top of that, there is a
Go-Kart track with too many configurations to count and dirt hills on
each end for off road activities. Motorcycles can play on the Kart
facilities as well. 
The facility is ready to go to host a United States Grand Prix (with a
few more seats). There are GP garages on pit lane fitted with everything
a prima donna GP team could want. Yes, there are TVs in there. Race
control is likewise fitted with large TV monitors capable of showing
images from cameras fitted around the track. The view from Race Control
is quite picturesque with the Oquirrh Mountains to the left, South
Mountain in front of you, the Stansbury Mountains on your right and the
track in the foreground. Id like to see the place in the Spring when the
grass is green. 
DO NOT miss your next opportunity to visit this incredible facility with
the same sort of amenities we enjoyed at PPIR, just kicked way, WAY up,
and a REAL road course! 
You will be glad you came.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:51:13 -0400 chasgee at aol.com writes:
> All,
> 
> The 2007 Kastner Cup race is almost here, so get your entry in right 
> away!
> Don't miss this opportunity to race at a great track, with great 
> weather, and,
> of course, great FOT hospitality.B  Kas and Peggy will be there to 
> cheer us on
> and present the Cup, and, most importantly, poor the champagne.
> 
> Details can be found at the FOT website: http://www.fot-racing.com/
> 
> Hope to see you there!
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
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From mymully at abnet.ca  Sun Jun 17 21:39:34 2007
From: mymully at abnet.ca (Ed & Judy Winters)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Steering/ignition lock TR6
Message-ID: <001a01c7b15a$4a90e010$6700a8c0@DG0W8511>

A buddy of mine has a Tr6  (1975) He changed his dash board and now has a
situation with his headlights.The headlights work fine without the engine
running.When the vehicle is running he loses his headlights.The usual checks
for proper connections, grounds ,Etc has been done without success,He has
narrowed it down to the steering lock however  he is not sure why . The
ignition switch was removed and cleaned ( appears to be working okay ) There
is a black and green wire connected at the base of the lock.It doesn't show up
on the wiring diagram There info schematic of the locking mechanism in the
shop manual to show how it works .Does anyone have any idea why  this would
cause this problem.
Ed Winters.

From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sun Jun 17 21:54:45 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 50K
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALGEKIEHAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

This afternoon I took the TR3 to the next town (20 mile round trip) and
notice, as I pulled into the garage that I was within 2 miles of turning
50,000 miles since rebuilt.  Seeing as how that is something of a milestone
I decided to wait until the cool of the evening and take a run around my
usual tuning course.

It was a beautiful evening.  Cool and the car was running very well.  I had
this whole long, self congratulatory post planned, to tell the story of
dragging this car out of my fathers barn in 1995 and spending the next 7
years rebuilding it and cap it off with how I had been, mostly successful in
putting 50,000 trouble free miles on it in the 5 years since.  A real back
slapper about driving it to both coasts and several dozen destinations in
between and about fixing whatever minor problems arose with basic hand tools
in motel parking lots and racetrack paddocks.

Well, the car had different ideas.  About 10 miles into the course, and 8
miles after I had passed the magic 50 K mark, I hit a railroad crossing a
little fast and BANG, the rear axle shifted about 6 inches forward and the
left rear dropped 4 or 5 inches down.  I am assuming that the axle came free
from the spring mounting, but its too dark and too remote to try to fix it
right now and it is clearly not drivable as is.  I will send a tow truck out
in the morning and better assess the damage (This will be only the second
ride home on a hook) and hopefully have it back on the road well before time
to leave for TRF / Pittsburg Grand Prix / VTR, but this is not the ending I
was hoping for this story. :-)

These cars certainly have a knack for keeping a person humble.

Ken Gano


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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Mon Jun 18 06:05:51 2007
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 50K
References: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALGEKIEHAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c7b1a1$06cabf30$76ca5346@Elliott>

I was 7 miles from home after driving over 7200 miles from Montreal and 
back - to Portland, Oregon, for VTR back in 2000 when the rear spring broke 
on the passenger's side.  Trear fender on that side was down as you 
describe - almost touching the ground.  I limped home the last 7 miles.  I 
guess that the shock assembly kept it together.  The car (and the rear 
springs) had 130,000 miles on them from new and I had driven 45,000 miles 
since I had completed my restoration in 1990.  The day after, I removed the 
rear spring and found that the spring was broken just to the rear of the 
axle.  The two outer leaves of the RHS rear spring had clean fractures.  But 
the two inner leaves had broken some time earlier.  This was obvious by the 
scrubbed and rusty surfaces across the fractures.

I called the local sportscar shop and he had 10 springs in stock.  A few 
days later, I was back on the road.  The sashay feeling on smooth but wavy 
surfaced roads had dissappeared.  I suppose that the two broken leaves had 
been cauing this for about two years.

Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A

http://www.triumphest2006.com/images/clubcars/30donelliott'str3.jpg

(photo at VTR 2001, Colorado - drove 5225 miles that trip)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Gano, home" <triumphs at consolidated.net>
To: "Michael Porter" <portermd at zianet.com>; "Triumph List" 
<triumphs at Autox.Team.Net>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] 50K


> This afternoon I took the TR3 to the next town (20 mile round trip) and
> notice, as I pulled into the garage that I was within 2 miles of turning
> 50,000 miles since rebuilt.  Seeing as how that is something of a 
> milestone
> I decided to wait until the cool of the evening and take a run around my
> usual tuning course.
>
> It was a beautiful evening.  Cool and the car was running very well.  I 
> had
> this whole long, self congratulatory post planned, to tell the story of
> dragging this car out of my fathers barn in 1995 and spending the next 7
> years rebuilding it and cap it off with how I had been, mostly successful 
> in
> putting 50,000 trouble free miles on it in the 5 years since.  A real back
> slapper about driving it to both coasts and several dozen destinations in
> between and about fixing whatever minor problems arose with basic hand 
> tools
> in motel parking lots and racetrack paddocks.
>
> Well, the car had different ideas.  About 10 miles into the course, and 8
> miles after I had passed the magic 50 K mark, I hit a railroad crossing a
> little fast and BANG, the rear axle shifted about 6 inches forward and the
> left rear dropped 4 or 5 inches down.  I am assuming that the axle came 
> free
> from the spring mounting, but its too dark and too remote to try to fix 
> it
> right now and it is clearly not drivable as is.  I will send a tow truck 
> out
> in the morning and better assess the damage (This will be only the second
> ride home on a hook) and hopefully have it back on the road well before 
> time
> to leave for TRF / Pittsburg Grand Prix / VTR, but this is not the ending 
> I
> was hoping for this story. :-)
>
> These cars certainly have a knack for keeping a person humble.
>
> Ken Gano
>
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 06:19:27 2007
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:19:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
Message-ID: <000901c7b1a2$ea04a620$6401a8c0@RTA>

Glacier Girl, the P-38 we got out of Greenland, is on its way to completing
its mission to England. 
 
To follow it check out airshowbuzz.com
 
And if you think you know something about driving an airplane, click P-51
Horsemen. Wow!
 


Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA

TAYLOR  ARCHITECTURE
 
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=Atlanta%2C+Georgia&country=us> 112  Krog  St.    Suite  196
Atlanta,   Georgia,   30307

tel:
<http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+223-1313&Email
=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 

fax:          (404) 223-1312

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From Cofrog at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 15:28:01 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:28:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Room at Miller??
Message-ID: <c23.1aac9355.33a852e1@aol.com>

Unfortunately the engine rebuild on my TR4A continues so cannot run at  
Miller.  But am planning to drive over from Denver to mingle.  Is  anyone else 
going alone that would like to to split a room on Friday and  Saturday night?  I 
have room for a rider from Denver also.
 
Dan Forgey 




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 18 16:03:17 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:03:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
Message-ID: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>

Richard,

Are you going to England?  

Lots of pilots in Alaska. 

Read two great Bush Pilot Biographies while here.

Joe (A)

its way to completing
>its mission to England. 
> 
>To follow it check out airshowbuzz.com
> 
>And if you think you know something about driving an airplane, click P-51
>Horsemen. Wow!
> 
>
>
>Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA
>
>TAYLOR  ARCHITECTURE
> 
><http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+St.+++Suite+196&csz
>=Atlanta%2C+Georgia&country=us> 112  Krog  St.    Suite  196
>Atlanta,   Georgia,   30307
>
>tel:
><http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+223-1313&Email
>=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 
>
>fax:          (404) 223-1312
>
>mobile:
><http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+660-4920&Email
>=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 
>
> 
>
>
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>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:15:15 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:15:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>

A couple of my online simulation flying buddies saw Glacier Girl  at the Chino
air show earlier this year. I'm crushed that I'm on the wrong side of the
continent and missed seeing the 3 flyable P38s on the planet in one place at
one time.

Are any of you planning on attending The Gathering of Mustangs and Legends in
Columbus Ohio at the end of September?

As of yesterday they had 102 P51s registered to attend.  It is a 4 day airshow
that has sort of been "commandeered" by the USAF as the unofficial 60th
anniversary airshow for the USAF.  Lots of warbirds in addition to the 100+
Mustangs, also F22s and the USAF Thunderbirds will appear all four days.  The
organizers are planning on putting up all 100+ P51s in one flight every day of
the show...

Wow!

Linkage to the official website...

http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp<http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp>


Terry Stetler

From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:17:15 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:17:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
	<BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV8320751411628D0E1076FC3130@phx.gbl>

Oops...

I hope this link works better

http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp<http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp>

From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:25:41 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
	<BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>
	<BAY116-DAV8320751411628D0E1076FC3130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV5D8B5F2E77856863AC9E9C3130@phx.gbl>

Her is a link to the trailer for the event... turn up your speakers.

http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47<http://www.airshowbuzz.
com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47>

Terry.

From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 07:03:59 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:03:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Glacier Girl
Message-ID: <d0f.c261598.33a92e3f@aol.com>

Amici...

Glacier Girl's getting a lot of ink this morning in the USA TODAY.  Pity our 
Richard Taylor doesn't get his due in such an article.  The efforts expended 
to get this airplane back in the air, and now to complete her 1942 mission are 
awesome.  Not the least of which seven million dollars plus towards recovery 
and restoration, but if the ruler is 'blood, guts, and personal effort', 
Richard is right up there at the top of the list.

Bill Dentinger
 


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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun 19 09:19:34 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (bownes at seiri.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:19:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191118060.9815@stegosaurus.seiri.com>

Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.

Car is in Kingston, N.Y..


http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html

Bob

From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 19 10:22:46 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Glacier Girl
In-Reply-To: <d0f.c261598.33a92e3f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <311514.56816.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:  Amici...

Glacier Girl's getting a lot of ink this morning in the USA TODAY. Pity our 
Richard Taylor doesn't get his due in such an article. The efforts expended 
to get this airplane back in the air, and now to complete her 1942 mission are 
awesome. Not the least of which seven million dollars plus towards recovery 
and restoration, but if the ruler is 'blood, guts, and personal effort', 
Richard is right up there at the top of the list.

Bill Dentinger

I second this ... thank you Richard for all your work and your part in this.... its a great accomplishment.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 19 10:38:11 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191118060.9815@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10706191237460.21160-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:

> Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
> major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.
> 
> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
> 
> 
> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
> 
> Bob

That car has Andy written all over it.

:-)

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 10:51:38 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10706191237460.21160-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:

> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>
> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>
> Bob

That car has Andy written all over it.

==AM==
Alas, Bob, not these days. I've been without a tow vehicle for over 
four years now. (Ok, my daughter has a Mazda B3000 pickup, but it's not 
quite tow-ready.) Oddly enough, I've actually been ever-so-slowly 
whittling down the yard art. I actually watched last summer with great 
joy as, one by one, five derelict Volvos left my driveway for the last 
time. For that matter, I've a couple of semi-roller TR3s that look at 
least as good as the one on Craigslist, and they're available (probably 
not for $1, but maybe for not all that much more).

--Andy Mace (busy keeping my son motivated enough to make a GT6 
convertible for himself!)

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun 19 11:01:26 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (bownes at seiri.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>

Well, as it is a small mouth 3, I did consider it for at least a few 
seconds. Someday I'll restore one for my Dad, who had one when he dated 
Mom.

Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

I might have a decent green GT6 MK III for Ian when the time comes. Just 
need to pry the top off :-)

iii


On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, herald948 at aol.com wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:
>
>> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>> 
>> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>> 
>> Bob
>
> That car has Andy written all over it.
>
> ==AM==
> Alas, Bob, not these days. I've been without a tow vehicle for over four 
> years now. (Ok, my daughter has a Mazda B3000 pickup, but it's not quite 
> tow-ready.) Oddly enough, I've actually been ever-so-slowly whittling down 
> the yard art. I actually watched last summer with great joy as, one by one, 
> five derelict Volvos left my driveway for the last time. For that matter, 
> I've a couple of semi-roller TR3s that look at least as good as the one on 
> Craigslist, and they're available (probably not for $1, but maybe for not all 
> that much more).
>
> --Andy Mace (busy keeping my son motivated enough to make a GT6 convertible 
> for himself!)
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald 
> Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue Jun 19 12:14:54 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:14:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] driving daugters
Message-ID: <d24.10f9e110.33a9771e@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 6/19/2007 11:00:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

Crumbs Andy,

You mean to say that sweet little girl I met back in Sept 98 had the cheek to
grow up?

That was like, yesterday!!!

I suppose next you'll be teling us that her brother has gone and done the
same exact thing?

But seriously, it'a been too long Andy!

Best Regards

Lion

(My step-daughter is 17 on July 10th, she takes her drivers test on June
22nd)

<A
HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
ts.com/user/vitesse1963</A>


   </HTML>

From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 12:25:34 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:25:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
References: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
Message-ID: <8C980B65C43EFC1-1D4C-E9B6@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: bownes at seiri.com

Well, as it is a small mouth 3, I did consider it for at least a few
seconds. Someday I'll restore one for my Dad, who had one when he dated
Mom.

==AM==
Cool memory. Small-mouth cars are still out there, hopefully some 
better than the Craigslist car!
==AM==

Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

==AM==
Hey, that's what I keep saying to myself. Yep, the little five-week-old 
at the first VTR National in Albany, NY, is 18 this week, graduating 
from high school and headed off to college this fall!

==AM==

I might have a decent green GT6 MK III for Ian when the time comes. 
Just
need to pry the top off :-)

==AM==
Geez, there are times when I still miss that ratty but mostly 
dead-reliable GT6! And now that you mention it, both Sarah and Ian are 
fond of green Triumphs (of which I have a surfeit)...along with almost 
any other color of Triumphs. Heck, Sarah keeps saying that one of these 
summers, she and I ought to dust off the old Hardly Boys RaceSpit 4 and 
go autocrossing. Could happen....

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From whimsey1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 19 12:51:33 2007
From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <21455008.1182279093853.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The asking price is actually $1500.  I've spoken with the owner.
Kind regards to all.
jimdonick

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2007 12:38 PM
>To: bownes at seiri.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] $1 TR3
>
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:
>
>> Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
>> major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.
>> 
>> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>> 
>> 
>> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>> 
>> Bob
>
>That car has Andy written all over it.
>
>:-)
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 12:54:30 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:54:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <c97.122673de.33a98066@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/19/2007 1:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
whimsey1 at earthlink.net writes:


> The asking price is actually $1500.  I've spoken with the owner.
> Kind regards to all.
> 

Jim...

Did the guy say how much fuel is in the tank?

Bill (Damdinger)



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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Jun 19 19:14:10 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:14:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)
Message-ID: <12860860.3609571182302050907.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net>

Below is an email from Kerry at Crower.
Mordy

>From: Kerry <kerry at crower.com>
>Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 06:07:26 CDT
>To: 'MDunst/Gasket Works' <gasket.works at verizon.net>

>
>The cranks are almost finished maybe 1 week


M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
gmt-8 Pacific time
626.358.1616 voice
626.628.3777 fax

From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun 19 23:35:36 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:35:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <4678BCA8.4010807@bradakis.com>

Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm working
on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
Any FOT folks planning on attending?

Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.

And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But there
is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
at Millah, but don't hold your breath.

mjb.

From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 20 05:49:30 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:49:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>

I plan to attend the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.

Dean Tetterton




>From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
>Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip

>Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
>since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
>to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm working
>on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
>Any FOT folks planning on attending?
>
>Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
>but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
>So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
>who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
>my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.
>
>And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
>Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
>it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But there
>is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
>much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
>at Millah, but don't hold your breath.
>
>mjb.
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From VANDECARR at aol.com  Wed Jun 20 09:07:44 2007
From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:07:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <d22.878d62e.33aa9cc0@aol.com>

I live about 25 miles from Kingston and contacted the owner.   He wants $1500 
and readily admits there is not prospect of restoring the car and is only 
good for parts.   A few years ago I picked up a "free" TR 6 in similar condition. 
  The frame broke in half when I winched it up on the trailer, ripped open 
the spare tire and damaged the trailer.   I spent 2 days trying to get useful 
parts off it and only ended up with the engine/trans and the diff.   Everything 
else was in such bad shape it either broke when I took it off or wasn't worth 
taking off.

All things considered, I think $1500 is a little much for this. 

Dean VanDeCarr


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 17:40:39 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:40:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12F57BB58147DB13FB3505BA110@phx.gbl>

I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
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From scypher at usa.com  Wed Jun 20 19:35:51 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Info Needed: Triumph Machine Shop in SE PA, Philly Area
Message-ID: <F45C91EA-C121-4C4B-81B9-6AAEE19A2410@usa.com>

It looks like I'm in need of a machine shop to do some minor work to  
my block.
What shops are there in the in the SE PA area?

Thanks
-Scott

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 20 20:58:28 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:58:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>

informal fot/vtr get together?

jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.

we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.

from seattle....

joe a

>I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Jun 20 21:06:55 2007
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:06:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4679EB4F.6010802@141.com>

Joe,

Susan and I will be staying at French Creek State Park.  Its around $99 
for the week.  610-582-9680 or 888-PA-PARKS

Contact Susan for more details.

Brad


N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
> informal fot/vtr get together?
>
> jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
> we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
> from seattle....
>
> joe a
>
>   
>> I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>> 06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>> fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>> the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>> people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>> Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>> 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>     
>>> Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>>>       
>> a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>> planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>> in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>> We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>> VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>> few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>> person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>> such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>> local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>> drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>> shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>> annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>> Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>> before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
>>     
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 21:07:45 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <514931.85611.qm@web58902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heck I was at Valley Forge once and thought there was a lot of area for camping.  If it were good enough for General Washington it should be good enough for anyone.
   
  Of course I'm not sure the Park Rangers would agree.
   
  Wish I were going.

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  informal fot/vtr get together?

jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.

we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.

from seattle....

joe a


 	 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 20 22:37:16 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <62367FD4.65444F2E.00159EE9@cs.com>

at the moment we are planning tent...french creek sounds good.

joe

>Joe,
>
>Susan and I will be staying at French Creek State Park.  Its around $99 
>for the week.  610-582-9680 or 888-PA-PARKS
>
>Contact Susan for more details.
>
>Brad
>
>
>N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>> informal fot/vtr get together?
>>
>> jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>>
>> we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>>
>> from seattle....
>>
>> joe a
>>
>>   
>>> I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>>> 06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>>> fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>>> the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>>> people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>>> Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>>> 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>>     
>>>> Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>>>>       
>>> a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>>> planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>>> in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>>> We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>>> VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>>> few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>>> person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>>> such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>>> local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>>> drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>>> shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>>> annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>>> Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>>> before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
>>>     
>>>> _______________________________________________>
>>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> >tr3a58 at verizon.net> >Fot mailing list>
>>>> Fot at autox.team.net> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 04:44:28 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 spindle
Message-ID: <002a01c7b3f1$25223ec0$0101a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

Does any one have a GT6 front spindle to sell? Just the spindle not the whole
upright.

thxx,
Bob
70 GT6 vintage racer
59 MGA coupe

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 06:26:37 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:26:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <514931.85611.qm@web58902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F21345FCDD4322D435F1795D2100@phx.gbl>

As a kid I practically lived at Valley Forge... That being said I visited 
the park just last winter. Boy things have changed! Mostly for the better. 
It's less a park surroundin major thoroughfares but an actual park that  you 
woul stop and see. There are cycle trails and a whole lot more deer than I 
remember.

Camping in the area? I dunno... I'm sure there's campgrounds around... 
probably convenient to the park too. The whole area is a LOT more built up 
than it was when I was a kid.

Be sure to get to Philly If you're Driving a TR, make sure you drive the 
East and West River Drives... Very cool. If you're in to art definitely go 
the Philadelphia Museum of Art... it's world class. The water front on the 
Delaware is really neat too.

Restaurants?

The City Tavern
AVOID Bookbinders
Jimis Steaks (4th & South) Bets Cheese Steaks
Sansom Street Oyster House

If your want current info I can ask my sister who lives there.

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>
>To: N197TR4 at cs.com, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>,tr3a58 at verizon.net, 
>"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>, Friends ofTriumph 
><fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Heck I was at Valley Forge once and thought there was a lot of area for 
>camping.  If it were good enough for General Washington it should be good 
>enough for anyone.
>
>   Of course I'm not sure the Park Rangers would agree.
>
>   Wish I were going.
>
>N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>   informal fot/vtr get together?
>
>jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
>we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
>from seattle....
>
>joe a
>
>
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From mikee at ragtops.com  Thu Jun 21 06:42:38 2007
From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fun at Valley Forge
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1182362401.26502.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1182362401.26502.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <467A723E.3020105@ragtops.com>

Listers:
Ragtops & Roadsters is located about 1/2 hour from the VTR in Valley 
Forge. In the unlikely situation that anyone needs mechanical assistance 
  while attending the event, please feel free to contact the shop. Of 
course, there will be parts vendors at the show as well as many people 
with the technical ability to perform any service needed, but if you 
need a lift (raise your car up or transport it) we're here to help.

Mike Engard

From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 09:55:26 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F3380844CEC1280E4E1A0A9A5100@phx.gbl>

>informal fot/vtr get together?
>
>jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
>we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
>from seattle....
>
>joe a
>

I'm going in The Blue TR3.

See you there.

John H.

From mikee at ragtops.com  Thu Jun 21 10:20:40 2007
From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:20:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fun at Valley Forge
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10093.1182441347.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10093.1182441347.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <467AA558.6040903@ragtops.com>

Listers:
Ragtops & Roadsters is located about 1/2 hour from the VTR in Valley
Forge. In the unlikely situation that anyone needs mechanical assistance
   while attending the event, please feel free to contact the shop. Of
course, there will be parts vendors at the show as well as many people
with the technical ability to perform any service needed, but if you
need a lift (raise your car up or transport it) we're here to help.

If you feel you may overdose on Triumphs feel free to visit the shop 
where you can see Jaguars, Austin-Healeys, Loti, Morgans, Sunbeams and 
even the dreaded MG. Directions are on the website <www.ragtops.com>.

I'll be doing a tech session with Moss at the VTR on supercharging a TR-250.

Mike Engard

From billsohl at optonline.net  Thu Jun 21 10:37:18 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <7084111D868F4027B7643114620D5649@SohlPC>

Linda and I will be at VTR on several days.   It is close enough that we'll 
do it as a couple of day trips.
Current plans are to have our "original" 61 TR3A at the show field on 
Friday.

Cheers,
Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tr3a58 at verizon.net>
To: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>; "Friends of Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip


>I plan to attend the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We 
>have a fair amount of people attending. Look forward to seeing any other 
>FOT there.
>
> Dean Tetterton
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
>>Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
>
>>Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
>>since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
>>to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm 
>>working
>>on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
>>Any FOT folks planning on attending?
>>
>>Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
>>but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
>>So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
>>who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
>>my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.
>>
>>And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
>>Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
>>it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But 
>>there
>>is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
>>much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
>>at Millah, but don't hold your breath.
>>
>>mjb.
>>_______________________________________________
>>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From STLNYC at msn.com  Thu Jun 21 12:27:42 2007
From: STLNYC at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:27:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Important News on High Plains Raceway
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV18198AA8E3C62C3C221024DA100@phx.gbl>

Thought the list might be interested in what we're doing in Colorado

Fred
Hodgson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robert
Alder<mailto:r.alder at earthlink.net> 
To: All
Members<mailto:r.alder at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:12 PM
Subject: Important News on High Plains Raceway


All RMVR Members:
Tuesday the 19th was a milestone for the development of the High Plains
Raceway -- the new home for a club-owned racing facility to replace Second
Creek.  Specifically there was an enthusiastic vote of 5 to 0 to add "amateur
motorsport" as a permitted Use by Special Review by the Planning Commission of
Arapahoe County.  As a result, CAMA is now in a position to provide you with
great detail about this exciting project.  And, in conjunction with all the
participating clubs, the Capital Campaign is now being launched.

CAMA has
issued an important News Release intended for the membership of the
constituent clubs such as RMVR.   You can read that News Release on the
track's brand new website,
www.HighPlainsRaceway.com<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/>.  The website
also includes tons of information about the track layout, about the Capital
Campaign, and about the progress of the fund raising.  And there is an
extensive FAQ section to answer all your questions. 

As an RMVR member you
will be receiving a mailing on the Capital Campaign in a couple of weeks.  But
in the meantime, all the details of that campaign are now on the website,
www.HighPlainsRaceway.com<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/> 

Please take
time to visit the website and to review the mailed materials to inform
yourself about this important development in your, and your club's, future
racing opportunities.

Sincerely,
The RMVR Board 

P.S.  As this email
was being sent (Tues. morning) there were some glitches in getting the host
server to accept the new website. Bummer.  So, if HighPlainsRaceway.com
doesn't respond immediately, please try again later.  They are working on it.
Sorry for the delay and it should be resolved by tomorrow at the latest.

From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Jun 21 20:35:05 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
Message-ID: <969473.8191.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers: This time I come not just begging for help, but also offering things. Lets get the begging out of the way first. I am looking for a drivers side seat frame for a late model TR6. The type that has the separate headrest. I have a car I'm doing that the original frame is bent beyond use. 
  Now for the offerings...I have been putting tons of spares on Ebay lately and while clearing a pallet rack I came across a new Paeco TR-6-7700 cam. Not sure how I came about it, but it is heading for the auction block and I thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone is interested. The specs are as follows: Int: 43/79  Exh: 76/32   Duration: 302   Lift: .502"   RPM range: 4800-7700 rpm.  It doesn't look like this cam is for the faint of heart. If anyone on the list is interested in the cam or selling a seat frame please email me off list.
  Thanks - Ed

From mini at wi.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 23:03:55 2007
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fenders
Message-ID: <000001c7b48a$c05dd590$6400a8c0@home>

As some of you may recall, Stonefield Vintage Racing was running two cars at
the May MOTRAH race at RA, Dan Gehweiler running a Mini Cooper and Alan
Washatko running a TR6. We had a great time meeting people and talking about
Triumphs and Minis. The high point of the weekend was meeting Kas Kastner
and his wife. Kas and his wife are truly wonderful people. The low point was
watching the wall right after turn 14 suck Alan's TR6 right off of the track
in the rain, and planting a big wet kiss on the driver's side of the car.
(Like Tony Drew said, "Makes for a good story"). Fortunately it could have
been a lot worse.



We have most of the parts that we need to repair the damage, however we are
in need of a driver's side front and rear fender (that's "wing" to you UK
and Australian guys). If anyone has any rust free (Stop laughing) parts,
could you please contact me and let me know the particulars.



Thanks Much,



Richard Gehweiler

mini at wi.rr.com

1.262.894.5460

From mattspit at att.net  Fri Jun 22 06:42:48 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:42:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] thanks for advice on selling spitfire
Message-ID: <062220071242.14726.467BC3C7000E187D0000398621603763169B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Thanks for the advice and help on places to place advertisements to sell my Spitfire.
I have finally reluctantly placed them.

One interesting note. 
At the Totally Triumph Classified site I needed to spell fiberglass with only one s in order to avoid the automatic check for unacceptable words. Never thought it would complain about parts of words.

Thanks again

matt

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 22 09:18:26 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <001901c7b4e0$953cc410$0301000a@Chowdown>

Anyone want a TR3 front passenger seat?  It's the folding one, in rust-free
orig. condition.  It looks a bit shabby and was in my race-car as a way to
scare passengers. No bottom cushion either, but If you want it, and pay the
shipping, it's free.  Let me know if you need a pic.

~Steve

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Jun 21 13:05:45 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)
References: <12860860.3609571182302050907.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <005801c7b437$2f3a4f60$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Kerry says the Cranks are to be balanced next Monday.

M. Dunst 
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
626.358.1616 Voice
626.628.3777 Fax
GMT -8  Pacific 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gasket Works USA <gasket.works at gte.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)


> Below is an email from Kerry at Crower.
> Mordy
> 
> >From: Kerry <kerry at crower.com>
> >Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 06:07:26 CDT
> >To: 'MDunst/Gasket Works' <gasket.works at verizon.net>
> 
> >
> >The cranks are almost finished maybe 1 week
> 
> 
> M.N.Dunst
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
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From BillB at bnj.com  Sun Jun 24 10:13:18 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
In-Reply-To: <969473.8191.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096841@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is crap.
Best sold on eBay to someone you won't be talking to again.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:35 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits

Listers: This time I come not just begging for help, but also offering
things. Lets get the begging out of the way first. I am looking for a
drivers side seat frame for a late model TR6. The type that has the
separate headrest. I have a car I'm doing that the original frame is
bent beyond use.
  Now for the offerings...I have been putting tons of spares on Ebay
lately and while clearing a pallet rack I came across a new Paeco
TR-6-7700 cam. Not sure how I came about it, but it is heading for the
auction block and I thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone is
interested. The specs are as follows: Int: 43/79  Exh: 76/32   Duration:
302   Lift: .502"   RPM range: 4800-7700 rpm.  It doesn't look like this
cam is for the faint of heart. If anyone on the list is interested in
the cam or selling a seat frame please email me off list.
  Thanks - Ed
billb at bnj.com
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 24 13:23:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm Spacers-Offered  @  $20/set
Message-ID: <41D77A26.0CC3034F.00159EE9@cs.com>

FoT List:

We ran Road America with a set of these ROCKER ARM SPACERS. Trial was very successful.  

Now have several sets available.

Lighter weight than steel
Closer tolerances than steel
Lower cost than steel.
Grey "marble" looks like metal
Unconditionally guaranteed.

$20/set to FoT including postage.

One time offer to Triumph Lists.

Available through Distibutors, soon.

TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

A.R.E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648

N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal  

Thanks....

From Cofrog at aol.com  Sun Jun 24 15:42:58 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:42:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
Message-ID: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>

Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion.  He went thru drivers  school 
in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La  Junta 
in July.  Any seconds?  His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) .  
Dan Forgey



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From billsohl at optonline.net  Sun Jun 24 16:56:56 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2nd - Re:  Nomination - Jim Gray
In-Reply-To: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
References: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4DC8844651E64BB394CE31EC4A00430D@SohlPC>

I second the nomination.

Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cofrog at aol.com>
To: <FOT at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray


> Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion.  He went thru drivers 
> school
> in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La 
> Junta
> in July.  Any seconds?  His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_
> (mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) .
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 24 17:40:49 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
In-Reply-To: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59124.79940.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heck with an email address like that he has to be okay, third.

Cofrog at aol.com wrote:  Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion. He went thru drivers school 
in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La Junta 
in July. Any seconds? His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) . 
Dan Forgey



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From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 24 17:46:05 2007
From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination-Jim Gray
Message-ID: <062420072346.2349.467F023D0002B1610000092D2160376021990E04D2069D@att.net>

I third the nomination.  Even though my TR-4A is raced in California, I like to see fellow Coloradoans on the list.  Jim, hope to meet you soon. Are you sure the e-mail is toodamnfunky? Are you using your teenagers e-mail?
Western Eagle Racing
Ron Jacobs

From BLUEBIT at comcast.net  Mon Jun 25 08:12:42 2007
From: BLUEBIT at comcast.net (Jim Roelofs)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
Message-ID: <062520071412.2594.467FCD5A0005333D00000A222200735446ABB7BDBAAAB4BD@comcast.net>

I was his instructor - I second.

Jim Roelofs

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> 

> Heck with an email address like that he has to be okay, third. 
> 
> Cofrog at aol.com wrote: Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion. He went 
> thru drivers school 
> in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La Junta 
> in July. Any seconds? His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
> (mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) . 
> Dan Forgey 
> 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 25 10:16:41 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:16:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nylatron Spacers for TR3 & TR4 Rocker Arms
Message-ID: <bcf.182e2da9.33b14469@cs.com>

Commercial Content:

If you are interested in a picture, look at eBay Item:

Item number:              170124440477  
    
Wont make you go measurably faster, but they are cool looking.

They also fit Ted Schumacher's Roller Rockers, btw.

Thanks

N197tr4 at cs.com


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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Mon Jun 25 20:29:37 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:29:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS
Message-ID: <cea.12a884df.33b1d411@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:59:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


> We ran Road America with a set of these ROCKER ARM SPACERS. Trial was very
> successful.
>
> Now have several sets available.
>
> Lighter weight than steel
> Closer tolerances than steel
> Lower cost than steel.
> Grey "marble" looks like metal
> Unconditionally guaranteed.
>
> $20/set to FoT including postage.
>
> One time offer to Triumph Lists.
>
> Available through Distibutors, soon.
>
> TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

>>>I would like some of those, please for my VItesse engine (same as GT6+)

BTW, the stainless steel Weber 40DCOE heat shields fitted very well, missing
all my headers etc.
>
> A.R.E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>
> N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal
>
> Thanks....

Best Regards,

Lion

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HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
ts.com/user/vitesse1963</A>


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 25 20:36:52 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:36:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot]  TR6/GT6/Spitfire Rocker Arm SPACERS
Message-ID: <c6f.12047988.33b1d5c4@cs.com>

> TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

Joe,

I would like some of those, please for my VItesse engine (same as GT6+)

BTW, the stainless steel Weber 40DCOE heat shields fitted very well, missing
all my headers etc.
>
Leon,

I plan to start on them this week, for the Vittesse, GT6, and TR6.

Close to the same price as TR3/4...more spacers (5) but about the same amount 
of material cost.

Thanks for the feedback on the Weber heatshield fitment.

Joe

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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Mon Jun 25 22:15:51 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fenders
Message-ID: <3d40bfd3867e6a421053af71a168fb9d@wi.rr.com>

I received a message from a Vince DePalma regarding TR6 fenders.  Can 
Vince please contact me off-line as my e-mail responses keep coming 
back to me undeliverable?

Thanks,

Allen

Jody & Allen Washatko
N65 W5567 Columbia Road
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 375-6888

From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Jun 26 09:44:59 2007
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
Message-ID: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>

> Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is crap.

Check out 

	http://www.dimebank.com/monster/swish.cgi?query=paeco

and decide for yourself...

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jun 26 11:55:55 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:55:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
Message-ID: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
frame.   
 
Thanks
 
Jim Norlin

From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 26 12:32:05 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <BAY115-F186006C71CDC3C5DEC70308C0B0@phx.gbl>

Amici,

I cannot speak for PAECO's other products, but I bought a set of short 
velocity stacks for the 3 DCOEs.  None of them fit; the OD-ID dimension 
varied by 5-15 thous between each stack, always too thick, and the depths of 
the stack throat varied by up to 50 thous, always too long.  Rather than 
returning them, I spent 4 hours milling them to size.

I hope that their other products are manufactured closer to spec.  Otherwise 
they will make Taiwanese repro parts look good.

Shane Ingate in Maryland

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 26 12:56:54 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:56:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
In-Reply-To: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8C9863AE61E4C65-146C-5753@webmail-da19.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>

> Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is 
crap.

Check out

    http://www.dimebank.com/monster/swish.cgi?query=paeco

and decide for yourself...

==AM==
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before Al Gore even invented the Internet and made the (truly wonderful 
and useful) Monster List possible. ;-)

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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Tue Jun 26 15:06:46 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>

Stahl is the only way to go!
Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an 1147, but 
you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut out a 
portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth it. You 
will notice the difference.

Russ Moore

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers


> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
> frame.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Norlin
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 17:02:04 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:02:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>

I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
convention??
I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
Roadster Factory.
Thanks in Advance
Glenn
72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's

From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 17:08:08 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:08:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
In-Reply-To: <005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
Message-ID: <46819C58.80002@charter.net>

Russ Moore wrote:
> Stahl is the only way to go!
> Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an 1147, but 
> you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut out a 
> portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth it. You 
> will notice the difference.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
>> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
>> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
>> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
>> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
>> frame.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Norlin
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I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the 
dipstick tube as well.
Glenn
72 spit racer under construction

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Tue Jun 26 17:11:32 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
In-Reply-To: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>
References: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>
Message-ID: <46819D24.50305@141.com>

Hi Glenn!

We're RV camping, and I believe the Alexanders will be tent camping, at 
the French Creek State Park.  It was the closest overnight camping to 
the event, about 20 miles away, and rates were great!  To make 
reservations call 888/PA-PARKS. 

Hope to see you there!

Susan        :)


Glenn Franco wrote:
> I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
> convention??
> I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
> Roadster Factory.
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn
> 72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 26 17:45:11 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
	<46819C58.80002@charter.net>
Message-ID: <00f601c7b84c$0b9751c0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Dipstick -- on  mine the dipstick hole is tapped for a plug with a hex head 
that removes with a socket or wrench. Yeah, you don't want to check oil 
level with the headers hot (but I've done it -- carefully). That pretty well 
solves the interference item.

--Rocky Entriken

> I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the
> dipstick tube as well.
> Glenn
> 72 spit racer under construction
> _______________________________________________

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 26 19:45:28 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-shirt order
Message-ID: <BAY123-W5DC65CFC91147ED0576A6BA0A0@phx.gbl>

  Ok folks the FOT T-shirts are now being printed.  They might be ready to
ship by the end of next week. Starting next Monday July 2nd you need to
contact Ted Schumacher and arrange payment. You can contact Ted by phone at
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Tue Jun 26 19:46:36 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:46:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <4681C17C.4070103@141.com>

Hey everyone,

This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have 
been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner 
of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely 
caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for 
driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they 
missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something 
else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me 
the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his 
Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in 
on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and 
pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I 
didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.

***************************

With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday 
evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several 
months and now suffers no more. 
Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing 
through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens 
family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over 
the country including many from CVAR.
Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a 
legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a 
very long time.
Bob Green

****************************

R.I.P., Mike.  

Susan 


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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 26 23:46:52 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
References: <4681C17C.4070103@141.com>
Message-ID: <007401c7b87e$90819530$280fc548@RWKastner>

Just a wonderful great great guy.  I hope he is fitted  with a turbocharger
and  never loses another race.  He deserves to win  them all. We all have been
winners having been around him.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susan Kahler
  To: Fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:46 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett


  Hey everyone,

  This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have
  been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner
  of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely
  caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for
  driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they
  missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something
  else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me
  the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his
  Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in
  on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and
  pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I
  didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.

  ***************************

  With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
  Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday
  evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several
  months and now suffers no more.
  Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing
  through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
  Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens
  family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over
  the country including many from CVAR.
  Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a
  legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a
  very long time.
  Bob Green

  ****************************

  R.I.P., Mike.

  Susan


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 07:38:23 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <02E6633F.3694B8F4.00159EE9@cs.com>

Glad we (FoT) went to Hallett when we did. 

"Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

>Just a wonderful great great guy.  I hope he is fitted  with a turbocharger
>and  never loses another race.  He deserves to win  them all. We all have been
>winners having been around him.
>
>Never Be beaten by Equipment
>Kas Kastner
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Susan Kahler
>  To: Fot at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:46 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
>
>
>  Hey everyone,
>
>  This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have
>  been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner
>  of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely
>  caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for
>  driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they
>  missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something
>  else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me
>  the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his
>  Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in
>  on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and
>  pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I
>  didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.
>
>  ***************************
>
>  With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
>  Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday
>  evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several
>  months and now suffers no more.
>  Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing
>  through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
>  Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens
>  family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over
>  the country including many from CVAR.
>  Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a
>  legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a
>  very long time.
>  Bob Green
>
>  ****************************
>
>  R.I.P., Mike.
>
>  Susan
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 07:42:38 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:42:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <d68.a2caf2b.33b3c34e@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/26/2007 8:47:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 
spitfiresuz at 141.com writes:


> This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have 
> been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner 
> of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely 
> caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for 
> driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they 
> missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something 
> else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me 
> the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his 
> Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in 
> on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and 
> pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I 
> didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.
> 

Susan...

Sad indeed.  Only been to HALLETT once, but that was enough to make me aware 
that they sat on the Top Shelf of the club courses I've raced at.  They earned 
that position because of the 'we're all family' atmosphere they have.  I have 
never felt more welcome than I did at HALLET.  I live an hour and one half 
from ROAD AMERICA, and race there at least three times per year.  Of course, 
it's great.  I also make MID-OHIO and WATKINS GLEN each year.  All super 
circuits.  But there is a different, connected feeling one gets racing at the smaller, 
club venues like BLACKHAWK, GRATTAN, HALLETT and so on.  It comes from the 
people who own and run them, like Mike, his family, and their hands-on style.  
May he Rest in Peace, and may his family carry on.

Bill Dentinger
           


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 09:03:04 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:03:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <c30.15cac1b0.33b3d628@cs.com>

Glenn & FoT

I would like to tent camp at TRF, but I dont think Charles has shower 
facilities?

I may look for offsite commercial campsites, but prefer to locate at TRF.

Any ideas out there?

Will plan to camp at Brad & Susan's location at VTR...French Creek...and 
wonder if Don E. would consider this location, too.

Joe (A)


> I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
> convention??
> I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
> Roadster Factory.
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn
> 72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's
> 

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:11:04 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:11:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <bcd.d4a9054.33b3d808@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/27/2007 10:03:21 AM Central Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:


> I would like to tent camp at TRF, but I dont think Charles has shower 
> facilities?
> 
> 

That's ridiculous.  

I've known Charles for years, and he is always clean, fresh, and neat (albeit 
a little preppy by Wisconsin standards).

Bill (Damdinger)



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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 09:15:19 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:15:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
Message-ID: <000c01c7b8cd$fa216ed0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I am planning on being there with my GT6.  Any other Triumphs going to be
racing?
I'll be coming in Thurs afternoon.  Scott Janzen

From chasgee at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:23:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>

Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller 
Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look for the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it will be fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.

We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.

If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.

And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after Sunday's race!

See you there,

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 27 09:41:10 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:41:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
In-Reply-To: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <46828516.8000505@bradakis.com>

I plan on hanging out and making a pest of myself at various
times friday, saturday and sunday.  It should be a good time.

The weather will be hot and dry, afternoon temps in the upper
90s, if not 100.  Check http://www.ksl.com  for local weather
conditions.

I have not been out to the track yet this season, but I've heard
that there are issues with water rights.  What this means is that
the ground cover planned for LarryLand is not in place yet,
there is a lot of bare dirt area around the place.  That translates
to blowing dust.  Fun.

See you at the track!

mjb.

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 27 09:49:33 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:49:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
References: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c7b8d2$c204dcd0$0301000a@Chowdown>

Man, I wish I could bring my TR3.  I'll see you guys there NEXT time for 
sure.  Have fun!
See y'all in Fontana.

~S Belfer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chasgee at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!


> Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller
> Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look 
> for the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it 
> will be fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.
>
> We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get 
> together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has 
> it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I 
> guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure 
> Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well and if you're lucky, 
> she'll sign one for you too.
>
> If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your 
> mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up 
> when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.
>
> And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after 
> Sunday's race!
>
> See you there,
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 09:57:54 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
In-Reply-To: <46828516.8000505@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <319455.91044.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Wow, I was feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't make the trip until I read Mark's weather update; now I'm feeling sorry for everyone including myself.
   
  Regardless of the weather and ground cover issues, I'm sure Ms. Peg will whip you bunch of sorry excuses into some type of respectable presentation.  Please keep those of us who are not making the trip informed.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
  I plan on hanging out and making a pest of myself at various
times friday, saturday and sunday. It should be a good time.

The weather will be hot and dry, afternoon temps in the upper
90s, if not 100. Check http://www.ksl.com for local weather
conditions.

I have not been out to the track yet this season, but I've heard
that there are issues with water rights. What this means is that
the ground cover planned for LarryLand is not in place yet,
there is a lot of bare dirt area around the place. That translates
to blowing dust. Fun.

See you at the track!

mjb.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 10:03:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:03:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <c45.18877ee7.33b3e46b@cs.com>

Jan & I do not want to take a shower with Charles, just use his facilities.


> That's ridiculous.  
> 
> I've known Charles for years, and he is always clean, fresh, and neat 
> (albeit a little preppy by Wisconsin standards).
> 
> Bill (Damdinger)
> 

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun 27 10:24:27 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <BAY102-W1086A08702B03AD88D9436900A0@phx.gbl>

See you there,  We leave tomorrow at dawn, to challenge (albeit weakly) the
Triumph Hoardes..........................Henry, Connor, Jake & Elva Courier>
To: FOT at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400> From:
chasgee at aol.com> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this
weekend!> > Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller >
Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look for
the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it will be
fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.> > We have a
few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get together Saturday
night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has it she's bringing that
stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I guess we'll have to put up with
him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book
for sale as well and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.> > If
you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your mind.?
I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up when you
arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.> > And don't
forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after Sunday's race!> >
See you there,> > Chuck Gee> Blacksmith Racing> Spitfire> > >
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 10:34:10 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:34:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <cfc.1302583e.33b3eb82@cs.com>

But it is a DRY HEAT...still sorry I can't make it.






> Wow, I was feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't make the trip until I 
> read Mark's weather update; now I'm feeling sorry for everyone including 
> myself.
>    
>   Regardless of the weather and ground cover issues, I'm sure Ms. Peg will 
> whip you bunch of sorry excuses into some type of respectable presentation.  
> Please keep those of us who are not making the trip informed.
> 
> 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 27 11:21:56 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:21:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thrillah at Millah
Message-ID: <20070627172156.1FAF7BBE47@bradakis.com>

Gee, I better get the air conditioning working again
in my little Civic.  No big deal, I just didn't the
compressor belt back on when I replaced the water pump
a while back.

Hmmm, maybe I'll look into renting a bigger car, something
that can haul a handful of folks into town for a beer run
or dinner at Tracks Brewery or some such.

mjb.

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Jun 27 11:18:37 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <20070627.111838.-218027.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

This should be a great weekend. I've heard mention that they will play
Grand Prix on the Jumbotron Saturday evening. The Full Strawberry Moon
will rise about 7:43 PM on Saturday as well, and should do so from a
clear horizon.
If any of you get too hot, pop into Race Control and say Hi and cool off
a bit.
I've been watching the Superbikes on the perimeter track, running in the
1:50s, averaging in the high 90s. They also confirm dust!
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
Bill

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400 chasgee at aol.com writes:
> Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller 
> Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, 
> please look for the large black three car hauler we brought to 
> Hallett last year - it will be fun to pit together.? We should be 
> there late Thursday afternoon.
> 
> We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne 
> get together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? 
> Rumor has it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as 
> well, so I guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good 
> times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well 
> and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.
> 
> If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to 
> change your mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy 
> to sign you up when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and 
> join in the festivities.
> 
> And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented 
> after Sunday's race!
> 
> See you there,
> 
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
> 
> 
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jun 27 16:49:31 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:49:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Michael R. Stephens Victory Circle
Message-ID: <4682E97B.7010602@141.com>

Hi everyone,

Here's another one from CVAR:

CVAR Members,

The Stephens Family has invited all to a July 4th celebration in 
Mike's honor at Hallett which will include fire works, food and great 
memories. 

One of Mike's dreams was a proper Victory Circle at Hallett and the 
Stephens Family want to make that happen in his name and in honor of 
his many years of looking out for his fellow racers.

A fund has been established for that purpose and donations are being 
accepted from fellow racers to construct the MICHAEL ROSS STEPHENS 
VICTORY CIRCLE at Hallett.

CVAR will donate $600.00 and is accepting donations from CVAR members 
that will be added to this figure. We are hoping for a nice number in 
memory of Mike and the entire Stephens family for all that they have 
meant to us over the years.

Please send your donations to our Treasurer;
John Gaudette
22210 Prince George Ln.
Katy, Texas  77449
We will keep this opportunity open until July Th.

It is the Corinthian thing to do.
Bob Green V.P. & Chief Steward
CVAR



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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 27 20:08:07 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
In-Reply-To: <46819C58.80002@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7b929$2bc077a0$2b24b348@blake1>

Has anyone used the Stahl TR4 header for the 3 or 4?

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:08 PM
To: Russ Moore
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Headers

Russ Moore wrote:
> Stahl is the only way to go!
> Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an
1147, but 
> you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut
out a 
> portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth
it. You 
> will notice the difference.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will
stay
>> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder
says I
>> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor
he's
>> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far
are
>> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below
the
>> frame.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Norlin
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>   
I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the 
dipstick tube as well.
Glenn
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Wed Jun 27 20:18:05 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:18:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day,
 TRF Summer  Party & VTR
Message-ID: <00b301c7b92a$9024e310$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts:

Wow a lot of discussion these past few weeks about events associated with our
cars and what's happening throughout Pennsylvania in early July. I'd like to
plug the early part of these events for those of you interested in
participating in the TRF Summer Party prior to VTR. Charles has written about
his Summer Party Plans which include one of the premier if not the most unique
Vintage Sports Car Races being held for it's 25th year.

It's the PVGP or the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, Here is a link to an
article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and a link to the PVGP Web page too.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07178/797518-100.stm
http://www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com/pvgp/site/default.asp

There is no cost for viewing this event but parking is not easy either. There
is a simple solution for that too and it's the 27th annual Western
Pennsylvania Triumph Association's British Car Day held on the Schenley Park
Golf Course overlooking the race track which winds it's way through the park
roads and adjoining city streets of the Oakland section of Pittsburgh. Oakland
is where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University are
located. For the entrance fee of $20.00 you get to park your British Car
(only) among the other BCD Entrants which in the past have totaled close to
400 cars. In addition to the races and BCD there are several other special
marque car shows both domestic and foreign. It's an overdose of the motoring
hobby.


Here is a link to the registration form and more information about WPTA's
BCD.

http://wptriumph.org/bcd/bcd2007.html

If you are planning to participate in the TRF Summer Party this is the main
Saturday event and it's one you don't want to miss. I encourage you to
register for BCD using the above link to the WPTA. You can register the day of
the show but it will cost a little more and may result in a delay entering the
show field. The fees are donated to the Charities of the PVGP and you can read
all about them on the PVGP web site.

I invite and hope to see many of you there.

Regards to all.
Jerry Van Vlack

PS if the links don't work for some reason write to me and I'll send them to
you on an individual basis.

From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 27 20:55:04 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:55:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b8cd$fa216ed0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096844@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I'll be there--both Beaverun and PVGP are stops on the All Aluminum
tour.

Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
along a third testicle. Two just ain't enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8

I am planning on being there with my GT6.  Any other Triumphs going to
be racing?
I'll be coming in Thurs afternoon.  Scott Janzen
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 27 21:02:52 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day,
 TRF  Summer  Party & VTR
In-Reply-To: <00b301c7b92a$9024e310$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096845@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I'll be there with Peyote. I'd love to join the other Triumphs, but I
suspect an insufficient number of WPTA people have had recent tetanus
shots, so I'll just stick to the pits. Diane will have her Bentley
though--it's being stored in Pittsburg while we're doing this All
Aluminum tour thing. We should get her to wear her chauffeur hat and
drive us around.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:18 PM
To: Triumphs; FOT
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day, TRF
Summer Party & VTR

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts:

Wow a lot of discussion these past few weeks about events associated
with our cars and what's happening throughout Pennsylvania in early
July. I'd like to plug the early part of these events for those of you
interested in participating in the TRF Summer Party prior to VTR.
Charles has written about his Summer Party Plans which include one of
the premier if not the most unique Vintage Sports Car Races being held
for it's 25th year.

It's the PVGP or the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, Here is a link to an
article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and a link to the PVGP Web page
too.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07178/797518-100.stm
http://www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com/pvgp/site/default.asp

There is no cost for viewing this event but parking is not easy either.
There is a simple solution for that too and it's the 27th annual Western
Pennsylvania Triumph Association's British Car Day held on the Schenley
Park Golf Course overlooking the race track which winds it's way through
the park roads and adjoining city streets of the Oakland section of
Pittsburgh. Oakland is where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie
Mellon University are located. For the entrance fee of $20.00 you get to
park your British Car
(only) among the other BCD Entrants which in the past have totaled close
to 400 cars. In addition to the races and BCD there are several other
special marque car shows both domestic and foreign. It's an overdose of
the motoring hobby.


Here is a link to the registration form and more information about
WPTA's BCD.

http://wptriumph.org/bcd/bcd2007.html

If you are planning to participate in the TRF Summer Party this is the
main Saturday event and it's one you don't want to miss. I encourage you
to register for BCD using the above link to the WPTA. You can register
the day of the show but it will cost a little more and may result in a
delay entering the show field. The fees are donated to the Charities of
the PVGP and you can read all about them on the PVGP web site.

I invite and hope to see many of you there.

Regards to all.
Jerry Van Vlack

PS if the links don't work for some reason write to me and I'll send
them to you on an individual basis.
billb at bnj.com
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jun 28 06:57:29 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
Message-ID: <000a01c7b983$e232b0e6$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?

I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my least
favorite four letter word...

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Babcock"
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8

Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring

From simon at telephonestogo.ca  Thu Jun 28 07:59:58 2007
From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
Message-ID: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>

I enjoyed a brief meeting with Bill Babcock and the fabled Peyote at Mosport
last weekend, and enjoyed seeing the car in action.
I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the final
"e" in the car's name, and possibly he was placed in a rather tough class with
some much more modern machinery, but I think he and the Lotus 11 put on a good
show!

I was on the outside of Turn 3 for Peyote's  last race on Sunday afternoon,
and thought the car didn't sound quite right on the short chute down to Turn
4, hope I was wrong or that it was something minor.
Hope we'll see you back next year, Bill!
Simon.

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 28 08:17:36 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:17:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
In-Reply-To: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F13E70C3B81FC0056523EE2D2090@phx.gbl>

>I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the 
>final
>"e" in the car's name,

'Probably never heard it before... so he didn't know how to say it...

Afterall we're "serious racer here... no one would name a car in fun (like 
Ardent Alligator, Fitch's Bitch or Pooper) even if looked like it was 
designed by someone who was high on something.

Maybe he never heard of "magic mushrooms" either.

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jun 28 09:16:07 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
In-Reply-To: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096849@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

The class got a lot tougher after all the guys slower than me went home.
Peyote wasn't running as sweetly as normal. I have a nasty feeling I
should pull the head off and take a look, but I'll fiddle with
everything else before I finally bite the bullet and look for aluminum
smears.

Compression is good, engine turns easily, but its down on power and
stumbles after a lift. I'd usually say ignition, and maybe carburetion,
but I've worked on this car long enough to know it's probably in the
guts.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Simon Rasmussen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:00 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Mosport

I enjoyed a brief meeting with Bill Babcock and the fabled Peyote at
Mosport last weekend, and enjoyed seeing the car in action.
I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the
final "e" in the car's name, and possibly he was placed in a rather
tough class with some much more modern machinery, but I think he and the
Lotus 11 put on a good show!

I was on the outside of Turn 3 for Peyote's  last race on Sunday
afternoon, and thought the car didn't sound quite right on the short
chute down to Turn 4, hope I was wrong or that it was something minor.
Hope we'll see you back next year, Bill!
Simon.
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 09:27:45 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
Message-ID: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill DeWar, Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to help.? We could use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is scheduled for 2-4:30 pm Wed.

Let me know if you can help..

Thanks!!

Rich Rock
Pottstwon, PA
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 28 10:12:54 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:12:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

Sorry I can't be there to defend my FTD title from last year (in spite of
the fact that they didn't give me the plaque because I have Honda Power in
my Spit).

Joe C.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rikrock at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross


> Amici,
>
> For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill
DeWar, Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to
help.? We could use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday
afternoon and Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is
scheduled for 2-4:30 pm Wed.
>
> Let me know if you can help..
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Rich Rock
> Pottstwon, PA
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 11:38:45 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:38:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Axle Conversion
In-Reply-To: <cf5.ece055d.33b544b0@aol.com>
References: <cf5.ece055d.33b544b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0706281038k5e29d2d4h10925b0b1f2367a3@mail.gmail.com>

At this time, no -- but I do have a set of trailing arms that have Corvair
hub mods in them.  I was selling them to Charly Mitchel, but he decided they
were too "rough" for his needs.  They came of the TR250 race car I bought
and probably had not been used since the early eighites.  Also, for about
the cost of a corvair conversion, Goodparts now offers what I think is the
best solution  and that is a hub assembly with CV joints.  Cost is $799 a
side.
See
http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20

On 6/28/07, LOddTR at aol.com <LOddTR at aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Chuck,
>
> Craig Wensley passed on to me your documentation of the TR6 axle/hub
> conversion. Do you by chance supply these units for the feint of heart?
>
> Leo Oddi
>
>
>
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>



-- 
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 12:37:11 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
In-Reply-To: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C987CA79C857BA-284-4936@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com>

Apologies for the question marks in my original post.? I have no idea how they got in.

Rich Rock

-----Original Message-----
From: rikrock at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27 am
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross



Amici,

For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill DeWar, 
Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to help.? We could 
use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday afternoon and 
Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is scheduled for 2-4:30 pm 
Wed.

Let me know if you can help..

Thanks!!

Rich Rock
Pottstwon, PA
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 13:26:04 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross FTD
In-Reply-To: <003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
	<003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <8C987D14DA52F6C-1C58-4CE9@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com>

Joe, I feel your pain.? My Cortina-powered TVR won't be eligible either.? Too bad none of my Triumphs or my TR6-powered TVR are ready.??

 I'll have to disqualify myself regardless, since I'll be involved withh the design and setup of the course.? Oh well.? I may bring the car and take some runs anyhow.

In the meantime, let the speculatin' and trash-talkin'? begin ;-)

Rich Rock 
(who found no question marks in the text of this message before hitting "send")


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net; rikrock at aol.com
Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autocross



Sorry I can't be there to defend my FTD title from last year (in spite of
the fact that they didn't give me the plaque because I have Honda Power in
my Spit).

Joe C


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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun 28 15:06:28 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:06:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
References: <000a01c7b983$e232b0e6$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <019801c7b9c8$34e8d3a0$03fea8c0@remsec1>

I second the motion. I would have been there but for the poor judgement of a 
Sprite jockeyess last year on turn eight. The car is still in progress. I 
hope to have it back in time to run the September Mosport event and maybe 
VSCDA's event at MidOhio. I have boycotted MO for the past number of years 
after experiencing their jack booted security gestapo, being fleezed for 
motorhome parking in the mud, and being yelled at by morons. It's my 
understanding all has changed. From Bill Dentinger's description, their 
event is quite the opposite of my past experiences out there. Bill's word is 
good enough for me.
******
At Mosport, the whole combination of turns from 1 thru 5B is just fantastic. 
No other word for it. Turn 2 is said to have given a number of folks new 
found religion the first couple of times through.

The track is wonderful, the Canadian hosts are spectacular and the 
hospitality is top shelf. There's a whole different attitude north of the 
border and it's one I wish would return to some of the larger corporate 
sanctioning bodies here. That and the seat time is twice as much as some 
corporate held venues.

Russ Moore


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
Cc: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport


> Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
> adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?
>
> I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my least
> favorite four letter word...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Babcock"
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
>
> Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
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From BillB at bnj.com  Fri Jun 29 05:59:47 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:59:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
In-Reply-To: <019801c7b9c8$34e8d3a0$03fea8c0@remsec1>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096850@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I think there are religious experiences available every time you go
though turn two. I also agree about Canadian hosts, though I wouldn't
engourage the president of VSCDA to continue singing over the PA system.
Once through that odd version of "Roamin' in the Gloamin' is enough for
one year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Moore [mailto:rem9 at frontiernet.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Henry Frye; Bill Babcock
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport

I second the motion. I would have been there but for the poor judgement
of a Sprite jockeyess last year on turn eight. The car is still in
progress. I hope to have it back in time to run the September Mosport
event and maybe VSCDA's event at MidOhio. I have boycotted MO for the
past number of years after experiencing their jack booted security
gestapo, being fleezed for motorhome parking in the mud, and being
yelled at by morons. It's my understanding all has changed. From Bill
Dentinger's description, their event is quite the opposite of my past
experiences out there. Bill's word is good enough for me.
******
At Mosport, the whole combination of turns from 1 thru 5B is just
fantastic.
No other word for it. Turn 2 is said to have given a number of folks new
found religion the first couple of times through.

The track is wonderful, the Canadian hosts are spectacular and the
hospitality is top shelf. There's a whole different attitude north of
the border and it's one I wish would return to some of the larger
corporate sanctioning bodies here. That and the seat time is twice as
much as some corporate held venues.

Russ Moore


----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
Cc: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport


> Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
> adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?
>
> I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my
least
> favorite four letter word...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Babcock"
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
>
> Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 29 10:16:43 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Velocity Stacks
In-Reply-To: <cfe.11130e1c.33b68488@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F11A010172180FF6A9B61B28C080@phx.gbl>

Joe,

That sounds like a terrific idea, , and one that I would buy a new set.  It 
would be really cool if the horn radius was larger, much like the neato-SU 
horns:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=1257
It is important not to have stacks that bolt to the DCOE (like the previous 
link); they need to be a slide-in fitting because that is what holds the 
choke in place.  Alternately, a 2-piece stack could be made - a collar that 
holds the choke in place, and then the radiused horn.

There are a couple of subtleties that you should be aware of.  The K&N 
filter bases do not have wide enough holes for the stacks to fit.  At least 
with the PAECO stacks that I have, there is a collar on the stacks that are 
for the screw-on tabs to hold the stack in place; this collar prevents the 
K&N filter base from seating correctly.  I enlarged the holes in the base 
plate to accommodate the collar.  I can take a photo of this if my 
description has you confused.

Here is another idea for you.  How about an airbox for triple DCOEs?  
Richard Good has them for his Stromberg/SU manifolds, but not Webers, so the 
market appears open right now.

Great stuff Joe, keep the products coming!

Shane

http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=4

----Original Message Follows----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: hottr6 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO....now Joe's Velocity Stacks
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:51:36 EDT

sometime this year, I'd like to expand my offerings of velocity stacks and a
new product that allow the adaptation of a variety of K & N Filters to
Strombergs & SU.

I hope to do them in stainless steel with laser welding of the 
circumference.

whaddya think?  Joe

 > Amici,
 >
 > I cannot speak for PAECO's other products, but I bought a set of short
 > velocity stacks for the 3 DCOEs.  None of them fit; the OD-ID dimension
 > varied by 5-15 thous between each stack, always too thick, and the depths 
of
 > the stack throat varied by up to 50 thous, always too long.  Rather than
 > returning them, I spent 4 hours milling them to size.
 >
 > I hope that their other products are manufactured closer to spec.  
Otherwise
 > they will make Taiwanese repro parts look good.
 >
 > Shane Ingate in Maryland
 >
 >

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jun 29 21:59:08 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:59:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Initial report
Message-ID: <4685D50C.2070309@bradakis.com>

The intention:   Sitting here at the keyboard after a nice shower to 
wash off the
sweat and dust and oil from an afternoon at the track, letting folks 
know how
things are going for the FOT gang at the Thriller at Miller.


The reality: Sitting here at the keyboard after a nice shower to wash 
off the
sweat and dust and oil from an afternoon of whacking on an immobile
Honda, working on getting it far enough to the side of the driveway to
let my wife move in and out of the garage without major hassle.  Cars
are easier to move if all four wheels are actually attached.


Coming home last night after a repair to yet another leaking coolant hose
I noticed that the steering in the little Civic seemed odd.  If it had power
steering, I would have stopped and checked the belt and fluid level.  But
no power steering, I figured I'd check into it RealSoonNow.  Get to the
house, crank the wheel to make the turn into the drive, a loud BANG and
no further motion of the car.

Turns out the lower ball joint on the right front corner decided to fall
apart. Not too bad, I initially thought it would be an expensive
rebuild of the gearbox.  So the little black car might be on the road
again soon.

Tomorrow ( saturday morning )  I pick up a rental car and head out to
the track.  so maybe 24 hours or so from  this writing I may actually
be doing a report on the FOT at  Miller.  Or I'll be sucking down yet
another cold one in someone's air conditioned motor home listening
to tales of the way the world should have behaved that day!

mjb.

From dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 29 22:16:28 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [DCTRA] You got to take a look at this site!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
Message-ID: <20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Very Cool.  Especially since Joe Curry's very nice Spit is featured 
on the TR page

At 08:11 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Would you believe a 350 or a 408 V8 would fit in a Spitfire?  Or these
>engines in a TR6, well check out this site!!!!!!!!
>
>http://www.britishv8.org/index.htm
>
>Rich
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 29 22:19:21 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:19:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [DCTRA] You got to take a look at this site!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <20070630042055.SGLQ22777.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Very Cool.  Especially since Joe Curry's very nice Spit is featured 
on the TR page

At 08:11 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Would you believe a 350 or a 408 V8 would fit in a Spitfire?  Or these
>engines in a TR6, well check out this site!!!!!!!!
>
>http://www.britishv8.org/index.htm
>
>Rich
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 30 10:25:47 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:25:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Bronze & Delrin Rear Spring Shackle Kit-TR3 / TR4 solid axle.
Message-ID: <bfb.19dfe2a1.33b7de0b@cs.com>

FOT:

For the last several months I have been playing around with a kit for the 
rear spring shackles.  In 1992 I used bronze for the bushing material for #197. I 
used it again for the AMBRO build. 

I wasnt very proud of the thrust washers used in my kit, thus didnt really 
say much about it. Now I have Delrin Spacers precision machined out of solid bar 
stock.....

I am now happy with the kit. see eBay auction:      Item number: 170126870246   

Read a testimonial from a street guy...and see the picture of the pieces and 
assembly. If you think it is for you, let me know...will sell direct....or 
delete now.

Thanks....Joe A
    
    



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From MDunst at coh.org  Thu Jun 28 13:56:41 2007
From: MDunst at coh.org (Dunst, Mordecai)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:56:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hooray
Message-ID: <B71FC19AE77F854F98B2B6A51554C6F70149608C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>

Cranks are done.  I am away to the miller event and unable to complete transaction until I return.

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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 06:33:40 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:33:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c7a409$2d9d8f70$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>

Cool!


That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Jun  1 06:59:03 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>

Greg, this is the greatest week of the year (in my opinion), the following 
week there is another historic race in Portland 
http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ , This makes for a great week of racing. 
It is also a 3 day event and Bill Babcock has done a lot to increase the non 
Racing fun as well.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
To: <jibjib at att.net>; <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!


> Cool!
>
>
> That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!
>
> Greg
>
> Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois
>
> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Jun  1 08:29:02 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3  Emergency Brake Handle
In-Reply-To: <d36.90ef40c.3390c9c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <277341.1047.qm@web81215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gary: Give me a couple of hours to check my stuff and I'll email you back. I have a good feeling about it. Thanks - Ed

AA00727 at aol.com wrote:  Any TR-3 racers have an Emergency Brake handle laying around that is in good 
shape? I'm restoring a TR for the street.
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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  1 10:36:32 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:36:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
	<034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>

Actually it's the CRC over labor day that I got involved with, but I  
agree that this week is the best one for vintage racing in the  
Northwest. I won't be here this year or course, but because the  
Pacific Northwest Historics and the Portland Historics are just a  
week apart we get a lot of really great cars that otherwise stay at  
their home tracks.

Have a great time. If you need some suggestions for great  
restaurants, brewpubs, or places to be please feel free to ask. The  
Rose festival starts today, next week is fleet week, the tall ships  
are already here, moored down along front ave. If you're coming the  
end of June the parades and stuff will be pretty much over, but some  
Rose Festival activities pretty much run until July http:// 
www.rosefestival.org/events/. When you get to Portland be sure to go  
up to the Rose Gardens, the Arboretum and Japanese gardens. Grab a  
picnic lunch from Elephant's deli on 22nd and Burnside before you go-- 
spectacular food and an amazing place all by itself.

Bill Babcock
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On Jun 1, 2007, at 5:59 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> Greg, this is the greatest week of the year (in my opinion), the  
> following
> week there is another historic race in Portland
> http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ , This makes for a great week of  
> racing.
> It is also a 3 day event and Bill Babcock has done a lot to  
> increase the non
> Racing fun as well.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
> To: <jibjib at att.net>; <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
>
>
>> Cool!
>>
>>
>> That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois
>>
>> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun  1 11:20:45 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:20:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] North to Alaska & The Pacific Northwest-Most of June
Message-ID: <c7b.11f9b714.3391af6d@cs.com>

List:

If in the unlikely event anyone is looking for us, we will be departing 
shortly for Alaska. We return to the Pacific Northwest (Seattle first) on the 20th 
of June.

Two nights in Seattle is planned. Likely somewhere near the city for some 
rambling around, before flying back to midwest. (I think we leave about the time 
than Uncle Jack arrives)

I will likely have access to email from time to time, but under the 
circumstances, my new bride might find it an unecessary diversion.

Joe (A)

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From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 14:55:31 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cadillac-Triumph
Message-ID: <BAY130-F199F7A9F1238FD655D3F7CA52C0@phx.gbl>

Who was looking for info on a Cad-Triumph? I came across an entry in a 
program for Iowa City Airport Races, 1954. But can't attach it, of course. 
Doesn't say, but I imagine it's a Roadster.

John H.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun  1 16:03:10 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:03:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Cadillac-Triumph
Message-ID: <bf6.15654ef2.3391f19e@cs.com>

It resided in Hudson, Iowa, for a long time...that's a few miles from me.  I 
might be able to locate the guy who had it. I think he still lives there.

It was like a Mayflower or something....

Do you have a copy that you could send of the entry?

Joe A

> 
> Who was looking for info on a Cad-Triumph? I came across an entry in a 
> program for Iowa City Airport Races, 1954. But can't attach it, of course. 
> Doesn't say, but I imagine it's a Roadster.
> 
> John H.
> 

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jun  1 18:01:17 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:01:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
	<034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>
	<7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4660B34D.4070200@pobox.com>

Speaking of food in Seattle, does the North Lake Tavern (north side of 
Lake Union) still exist?  They always had the best pizza in town.
Larry Young


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jun  2 01:05:01 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:05:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
References: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4661169D.5070402@bradakis.com>

There's a pretty good chance that I'll be there, not as an entrant, though.
I'll just be one of the annoying pests rambling through the pits.  I do have
an urge to do something, maybe haul my smoker out there and cook up
a mess of pulled pork, or maybe beef brisket or some such for one of the
evening get togethers.

As for cars,  unlikely I'll have all my parts neatly inventoried by then,
but if something unfortunate happens to one of the race cars I'll do my
best  to set it right.  And the shop is only about a 45 minute drive from
the track.  I'm not adverse to an all night wrenching marathon, given
the proper lubricant.

I'm certainly looking forward to the event.

mjb.


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Jun  2 11:32:49 2007
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] no (lbc)
Message-ID: <001e01c7a53c$0b17fa10$6501a8c0@alex>

Does any one know the manufacture of the very large styro-foam blocks that
Watkins Glenn places around the track for thier version of a soft wall  These
blocks are in the range of 3' X 2' X 6'  thanks   rob


From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  2 12:09:16 2007
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <005101c7a541$22f1fcd0$609aed45@yourf78bf48ce2>

My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive to
Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.


From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  2 12:09:16 2007
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <005101c7a541$22f1fcd0$609aed45@yourf78bf48ce2>

My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive to
Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Jun  2 12:16:59 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:16:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <be0.146696ed.33930e1b@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2007 11:09:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net writes:


> 
> 
> My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive 
> to
> Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
> there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.
> 

Damn Jerry, that's too cool and very ambitious.  Then the next weekend you'll 
be at Cal Speedway, right?  Can someone do a walk-in entry at Portland?  
Steve


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From henry at henryfrye.com  Sat Jun  2 13:46:11 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:46:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F911@server.Triumph.local>

I just got back from vacation and saw this, nice try Jeff.

Ya can't railroad me into this one...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Snook
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP

> I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.
>
> I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives
> close to the track!


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 19:12:34 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next to last call for FOT t-shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12D6118C66864908B106E5BA210@phx.gbl>

OK folks. We are nearing the end of the order time for t-shirts. Minimum order
is 72 shirts and we only have 57 so far. I replied to each order email so if
you did not get a confirmation email from me I did not get your order.So if
you are thinking about an order for shirts better get it in now.Marty
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jun  3 20:19:00 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7a64e$b7c96ec0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I was sure hoping to make it to what sounds like a great event at a
wonderful track.  However, 3 weeks ago, my equipment didn't just beat me, it
gave me a thorough thrashing.  I fired my engine builder (me) and am going
with a pro.  It's highly unlikely that the new engine will be done in time
to make Miller.

It's really a shame since I was looking forward to not only racing at a new
facility with a new group of folks, but mainly getting to know some of the
FOT group.  My car is the only Triumph that routinely races in the Oregon
Region vintage group.  We end up pitting with all the Spridget guys and I
think some bad Juju is rubbing off on the Spitfire.

Maybe next year.

Jim Norlin


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sat Jun  2 16:59:37 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:59:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<003a01c7a1b6$bd6b63c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<000401c7a1e8$4a5d46a0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004501c7a569$b2f79e70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've fired up the engine today and the alternator is charging 20 amps...
Only the warning lamp isn't connected at the moment.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator


> Here's what I found at this link, which does not seem to be working any
> more - good thing I printed it out - "Light - when the alternator is
> running, this terminal puts out a charging voltage.  It is usually wired
> through an incandescent light which has 12V switched at the other end.  When
> the alternator is charging, there is 12 V at both ends so the light does not
> turn on.  When the alternator is not charging for some reason, there is 12V
> coming from the  ignition side but low voltage or ground at the alternator
> side and the light will turn on"
> I don't know why you got 5 amps in your situation.
>
> www.davisengineering.net/spitaltupgrade.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thank you for this explanation.
> is the trouble light connector at the alternator (+) and the lamp has to be
> the ground side?
>
> Does this alternator consume -5 Amps when the engine is not spinning?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
> To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
> > Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just installed,
> > which
> > worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the threaded
> > nut
> > takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This
> > alternator
> > also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy Sprint
> > wiring
> > harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.  One
of
> > those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
> > ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a signal
> > to
> > tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three blades form
> > a
> > "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the bottom of
> > the
> > "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of the U
and
> > it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one can be
> > hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator is not
> > charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained why
> > this
> > works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your
> > friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the engine
> > just
> > pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no longer
being
> > told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car runs
off
> > the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an hour
> > or
> > so.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
> >
> >
> > > Hi @ all,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
> > > But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to
> > > the
> > > car?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> > > To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Sprint Alternator
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Paul,
> > >
> > > I'm Chris from Germany.
> > > I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at
> > > Kas
> > > book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
> > > If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the
> > > amperemeter
> > > shows -5A.
> > >
> > > What trick is needed to install the alternator?
> > > At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
> > > The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched
> > > (+).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > PS: Thanks in advance for help.
> > >
> > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name
> > > of
> > > 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Jun  4 09:33:16 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:33:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller - Kastner Cup 2007!
Message-ID: <8C974D4CE2075FC-1DD4-D90@WEBMAIL-RA14.sysops.aol.com>

Hello everyone,

The Thriller at Miller is less than 1 month away amnd it looks like the event
is shaping up nicely!B  Here's the list of entrants to date:











Chuck Gee

Spitifre



Mike Bruner

TR4



Mordy Dunst

TR4



Steve Smith

GT6



Ken Gillanders/Preston Kaenel

TR3



Paul Smock

TR4



Bob Miller

TR3A



Dennis DeLap

TR4



Chuck Arnold

TR5



Joe Alexander

TR4/Ambro?



John Frymark

TR4



Dean Tetterton

Warwick GT



Jerry Barker

Herald





I hope some more of the FOT from the midwest can make it, we did try to make
the west coast venue as far east as possible.

Here are more details regarding the venue and the race:


Entry Fees:

$450 for all Three Days, $50 2nd Car, same driver

$350 Sat, Sun Only

$50 Touring session during lunch B( Pay at track.

B 

Race Entry Fee Includes:

Friday Night Driversb Reception Party, with Live Music!
Saturday Night Dinner, Club House
Sunday Awards Party s Awards for Top Three Class Winners in the Feature

B 

World Class Race Facility is bDisneyland for Racersb

Grand Prix Garages feature air conditioning and Speed Channel TV!

For garage rental rates and reservations, call 1-866-297-2636.

RV Paddock Parking features showers and electrical hookups!

$26.50 per day, RV parking B( Electrical hook-up, $30 per weekend B( RV Dump
on site

Race Fuel will be available at the track.

Tire Support available, Topless Performance, 877-728-0914

Order tires by June 21, 2007 to have the freshest rubber available.

Additional Accommodations:

Best Western Inn, 1.800.448.5010 , 365 N. Main, Tooele, Utah

The American Inn & Suites, 435-882-6100, 491 S. Main St., Tooele, UT

The Hampton Inn, 435-843-7700, 461 S. Main St., Tooele, UT

B 

Truck wash available, Blue Beacon Truck Wash, Exit 99 of I-80.


More info will be posted on the FOT site shortly.

When you get to the track, look for the large three car trailer we brought to
Hallett.B  That will be FOT headquarters.B  It would be great if we could all
pit together and we'll make every effort to do so.B  Kas and Peg will be there
with us and we'll have a few surprises as well.B  Mark Bradakis has even
volunteered to barbeque, so there will be good times!

If you haven't done so already, please register.B  The entry form can be found
here:

http://vararacing.com/Overall1.html


Thanks and hope to see you all there!

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jun  4 20:37:29 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:37:29 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Southwick Axle bearings
Message-ID: <20070604.193811.22570.325271@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Does anyone have the bearing number or know what vehicle the bearings fit for
the Southwick converted TR3/4 rear axles?  I have the number at home, but am
up in Maine for a few days and want to see if I can pick one up at an
autoparts store.  One seems to have a lot of play (did not get a chance to
measure it).  I had a problem with a lot of caliper knock-back (I have rear
discs too) a few weeks ago and finally got around to checking things before
hitting the road for the week (and forgot to take the # with me).  Had no
initial pedal going into the corners, but I also ran my fastest laps at Lime
Rock (1:00.98).  Guess I don't need so much brakes after all.
I have 6/1000 run-out in one rear hub flange (did not measure the end float,
but guessing it is over 20/1000").  That 6/1000 run-out at the hub is
translating to 12/1000 at the rotor.   I may also have a bent axle or
Southwick hub, but did not hit anything that may have caused that.  A few
weeks ago was my 1st time out this year and I did not have such problems last
year.  Later this week I can get the axle on centers and see better what is
going on, but want to be sure to have a bearing just in case.  Joe(B)


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue Jun  5 05:35:48 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F926@server.Triumph.local>

I just added an update to the fot-racing.com website on The Thriller at
Miller!

Wish I was going...


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed Jun  6 19:03:50 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>

Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the 
manufacturer and are now available.

These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress 
to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent 
leaky intakes and exhaust headers.

Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.

And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.

uncle jack 



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  6 20:01:19 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
In-Reply-To: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>

OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
are why I'm faster than last year?  :)

They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
these actually work.

- Tony Drews

At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
>manufacturer and are now available.
>
>These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
>to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
>leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
>
>Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
>
>And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
>
>uncle jack


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Jun  6 20:08:43 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
In-Reply-To: <20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>
References: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <466768AB.4080702@greenheart.com>

My silicone gaskets under the valve cover... Jack's manifold gaskets... 
head gaskets from Mordy... Before you know it... all these TR engines 
are going to implode from the inability to take a piss and mark their 
territories... It just ain't natural to plug 'em up like this! LOL...

: )

--Justin

Tony Drews wrote:

>OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
>installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
>exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
>are why I'm faster than last year?  :)
>
>They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
>these actually work.
>
>- Tony Drews
>
>At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>  
>
>>Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
>>manufacturer and are now available.
>>
>>These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
>>to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
>>leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
>>
>>Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
>>
>>And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
>>
>>uncle jack
>>    
>>
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>
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From aerodin at swbell.net  Wed Jun  6 21:51:32 2007
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats
Message-ID: <466780C4.5050204@swbell.net>

Top Secret as it is, Dad (Larry) is looking to get back into the saddle 
this fall. This is contingent on several things but among them is 
getting a proper seat in the car.

Ergo, the blow-moulded roller coaster job we have now won't hack it.

Among those we've tried, the Sparco EVO II seems to fit the human 
component(s) best however the lip on the bottom won't pass the tunnel. 
We are mounting this as close to the floor as possible based on 
respective heights. EVO II would correspond to a Large in Sparco I 
believe. It's a narrow cockpit. Has anyone out there found a good fit 
for larger drivers? It's basically a decision between Al and Fiberglas 
at this point. Would prefer fiber for the comfort/fit aspect and greatly 
appreciate suggestions as always.

Cheers,

-Tom


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  7 06:22:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:22:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <cb7.e5321ad.3399529f@cs.com>

No, we are talking reality here....We installed a set at Road America in 
desperation. Sean had spent literally HOURS at home trying to eliminate a MASSIVE 
manifold leak with unforgiving header. 

Simple installation trackside = 100% cure.

We expect to get more than one use out of them, with care, and I will never 
use anything else again.  Thanks Jack!

Joe (A)


> OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
> installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
> exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
> are why I'm faster than last year?  :)
> 
> They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
> these actually work.
> 
> - Tony Drews
> 
> At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
> >Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
> >manufacturer and are now available.
> >
> >These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
> >to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
> >leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
> >
> >Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
> >
> >And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
> >
> >uncle jack
> 

   </HTML>


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun  7 06:23:25 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD42@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
the TR7?

Scott B.


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  7 06:32:39 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD42@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F4BF9AEA5A7646E48209B6D2260@phx.gbl>

TR4 Wheel base   88.1ins
Track (front)        49
        (rear)          48

TR7 Wheel base   85 ins
Track (front/rear) 55.5

`Hope it helps

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
>
>Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
>the TR7?
>
>Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun  7 06:33:31 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]  RE:  TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F4BF9AEA5A7646E48209B6D2260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD43@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 Thanks, it does!

-----Original Message-----
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:33 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] RE: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
Importance: Low

TR4 Wheel base   88.1ins
Track (front)        49
        (rear)          48

TR7 Wheel base   85 ins
Track (front/rear) 55.5

`Hope it helps

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
>
>Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
>the TR7?
>
>Scott B.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  7 06:35:31 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:35:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!!     David Hesse   Portage, WI
Message-ID: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>

FOT List:

Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now 
gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support on the build.

DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
    
The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to 
reciprocate.

Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.

David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun  7 06:42:27 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:42:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
In-Reply-To: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>
References: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20070607124036.922BA1879CC@autox.team.net>

Second!  Anyone daft (um, er, brilliant) enough to build another 
Ambro deserves our support.

- Tony Drews

At 07:35 AM 6/7/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>FOT List:
>
>Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now
>gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support 
>on the build.
>
>DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
>
>The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to
>reciprocate.
>
>Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
>
>David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
>
>Joe Alexander


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jun  7 07:15:46 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:15:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <cd0.1070a456.33995f02@aol.com>

I've been using these on the GT6 for a while and they are good ones.  Last 
time around I sandwiched them between two layers of aluminum foil to see if they 
don't stick making reuse easier.  We'll see...

No, we are talking reality here....We installed a set at Road America in 
desperation. Sean had spent literally HOURS at home trying to eliminate a 
MASSIVE 
manifold leak with unforgiving header. 

Simple installation trackside = 100% cure.

We expect to get more than one use out of them, with care, and I will never 
use anything else again.  Thanks Jack!

Joe (A)




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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun  7 09:11:12 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:11:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Parts Needed
Message-ID: <8C9772D3855FC3E-15C4-BE34@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,B 

I'm looking for a 4.1 ring and pinion, a Locker or LSD, and a 1" (or so) front
anti-roll bar for a TR4.

If you have any orB  all of these parts to sell.....


Thanks!

Rich Rock
Pottstown, PA
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Thu Jun  7 11:57:58 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
Message-ID: <111825949.1181239078627.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>

Thank you for the nomination into the FoT.
My names David Hesse and I currently reside in Portage WI. I've been playing with British cars since I was 8 years old, so I guess it's been a 34 year love affair with these little beasts. I started by helping my father restore a 52 MGTD, which is still in the family. Other cars restored/worked on along the way include 69 Triumph GT6, various MGs, 59 Austin Healey 100/6, 67 Mustang convertible, Austin Healey H Production race car, MG Midget F Production race car, and a 58 Warwick Peerless. Currently have in the shop a 74 Mini, 73 MG Midget G Production racecar, 55 Austin Healey 100/4 (under restoration), and a 48 Ford Business Coupe (step son's street rod project). Plus, my new wife has a 35 Ford 5 window coupe street rod in the garage.
Now I'm embarking on the build of an Ambro. This started with Joe helping me to sell a TR3 engine and gearbox. We got to discussing projects and we began to talk about the Ambro. I'll be heading down to AR on June 22nd to pick up a TR4 rolling chassis in order to get started. Needless to say, I still have the engine and gearbox.
I like to drive and particularly race the cars I build. I've been part of the Madison Sports Car Club for years. That's where I started doing autox in a 73 MG Midget. Sold that car to buy a dedicated autox MG Midget. Ran that a couple of years and then stripped it to the shell and rebuilt it into an F Production racecar and went wheel to wheel racing with the Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs. Sold that car along the way and now have a 73 MG Midget GP car.
Once the Ambro is completed, I'll be joining the ranks of the VSCDA and SVRA to race with them. The initial goal is to have the car ready for the VSCDA's Spring Break Driver's school weekend. Hopefully with the help of a few friends we'll meet that goal.
Professionally I'm an IT worker. I work for the State of Wisconsin and support the state's data communications infrastructure.
Thanks and see you all at the tracks.
David Hesse
Portage, WI


---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

=============
Second! Anyone daft (um, er, brilliant) enough to build another
Ambro deserves our support.

- Tony Drews

At 07:35 AM 6/7/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>FOT List:
>
>Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now
>gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support
>on the build.
>
>DAVID HESSE d.hesse at charter.net
>
>The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to
>reciprocate.
>
>Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
>
>David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
>
>Joe Alexander


From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jun  7 15:45:06 2007
From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
Message-ID: <1006255106.1181252706200.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

  I have known David as long as I have been a member of the Midwestern Councill. I would gladly second the nomination! Welcome to the dark side David.
  Jeff Senty
 gp89blue
--- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 
> FOT List:
> 
> Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now 
> gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support on the build.
> 
> DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
>     
> The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to 
> reciprocate.
> 
> Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
> 
> David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
> 
> Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From a.r.gibson at bigpond.com  Fri Jun  8 18:36:29 2007
From: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com (Andrew Gibson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:36:29 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats
In-Reply-To: <466780C4.5050204@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20070609003635.CZKB17816.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>

Tom
Cobra Clubman (UK) fit the car,---could not guarantee the bum!
Andrew Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of T.R. Young
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 1:52 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats

Top Secret as it is, Dad (Larry) is looking to get back into the saddle 
this fall. This is contingent on several things but among them is 
getting a proper seat in the car.

Ergo, the blow-moulded roller coaster job we have now won't hack it.

Among those we've tried, the Sparco EVO II seems to fit the human 
component(s) best however the lip on the bottom won't pass the tunnel. 
We are mounting this as close to the floor as possible based on 
respective heights. EVO II would correspond to a Large in Sparco I 
believe. It's a narrow cockpit. Has anyone out there found a good fit 
for larger drivers? It's basically a decision between Al and Fiberglas 
at this point. Would prefer fiber for the comfort/fit aspect and greatly 
appreciate suggestions as always.

Cheers,

-Tom
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jun  9 05:59:20 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
Message-ID: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
          Can anyone help with the name and details of a TR3/4 chassis manufacture in the states please? 

Regards Jim


      
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sat Jun  9 06:30:01 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:30:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
In-Reply-To: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200706091230.l59CUA6B228724@ns3.geneseo.net>

Take a look at

www.rat-co.com

I find it borderline unbelievable that anybody would set up an such 
an excellent manufacturing facility to make a product for such a 
niche market -- but he's the real thing, making a superb quality 
product. He makes TR2 - 3 - 4 - 4A - 250-6. There must be a bigger 
demand than I imagined.


At 06:59 AM 6/9/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>Hi all,
>           Can anyone help with the name and details of a TR3/4 
> chassis manufacture in the states please?
>
>Regards Jim
>
>
>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jun  9 06:32:30 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
Message-ID: <520142.1094.qm@web51810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Henry that's who I was after!

Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, 9 June, 2007 10:28:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Chassis


http://rat-co.com/

Jim,

I had a nice conversation with Tony, (the owner) it seemed to me he is
selling a very nice project.

I had just ripped one side of the front suspension out of my TR4 racer
and was looking at options. I didn't go that route, I had my frame
fixed.

One item of note, he is using a different size frame rail than Coventry
did. Probably not a big deal with the racer crowd, but a real downer for
the shiner crowd looking to 400 point concours restoration!

Cheers

Henry Frye
Triumph Technology Consultants
860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cun
> Sent: June 09, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Chassis
> 
> Hi all,
>           Can anyone help with the name and details of a 
> TR3/4 chassis manufacture in the states please? 
> 
> Regards Jim
> 
> 
>       
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Jun  9 18:13:56 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:13:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
Message-ID: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>

Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've got 
about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve



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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sat Jun  9 20:38:35 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum 
1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works perfect. 
If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and screw 
them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount is 
a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to 
the inner roof sill.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've 
> got
> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
>
>
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sun Jun 10 02:50:46 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:50:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
References: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><4655ABA5.2010601@pobox.com>
	<002501c79e16$ed2f7d10$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<020501c79e49$2bcd1410$280fc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <001b01c7ab3c$70c9f6a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've added a conclusion on my forum with some photos about my investigations.

http://www.tr4-racing.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41#41


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sun Jun 10 06:43:19 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] wow
Message-ID: <200706101243.l5AChWps406782@ns3.geneseo.net>

I'm impressed.

Wonderful picture of the Forever Young yellow TR3 on the cover of Victory Lane.

Congratulations!

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Jun 10 14:47:22 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
	<007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>
Message-ID: <002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Keep new rule in mind -- disconnected net must fall down, over door (not up, 
over roof).

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: <Gt6steve at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Window nets?


>I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum
> 1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works 
> perfect.
> If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and 
> screw
> them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount 
> is
> a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to
> the inner roof sill.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
>
>
>> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
>> got
>> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
>>
>>
>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 10 14:50:29 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
In-Reply-To: <002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
	<007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>
	<002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>
Message-ID: <20070610204836.A0194187A31@autox.team.net>

Another mounting tip: if at all possible, the net should connect to 
the roll bar, not the car body.

In my rollover, the window net, which was attached to the drivers 
door and the roof of the car, was totally ineffective.  Only my death 
grip on the steering wheel prevented bad things from occurring.  When 
the car stopped, the door was opened against the front fender, and 
the roof was flapping in the wind.  Not a bad idea to do arm 
restraints in addition to the window net.

- Tony

At 03:47 PM 6/10/2007, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>Keep new rule in mind -- disconnected net must fall down, over door (not up,
>over roof).
>
>--Rocky Entriken
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>To: <Gt6steve at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Window nets?
>
>
> >I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum
> > 1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works
> > perfect.
> > If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and
> > screw
> > them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount
> > is
> > a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to
> > the inner roof sill.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> > To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
> >
> >
> >> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
> >> got
> >> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> **************************************
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Jun 10 16:13:14 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Transport
Message-ID: <974540.48425.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends: My son just bought a car out of Phoenix, Arizona and is trying to arrange transport of it to the DFW area of TX. Are there any listers coming this way from that area that would like to earn some extra income? I haven't started calling around to any transport companies yet. Thought I'd give the list a shot first. Thanks - Ed


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jun 11 06:10:53 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:10:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DFC6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.  Lots of
head scratching and no racing.

Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296 Spitfire
motor is at 55-57 deg advanced.  I'm not typically in the habit of
disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to think at
this point.  The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of advance, let
alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.

Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?

Is it possible that 3 timing lights are simultaneously wrong, but all
give the same erroneous reading?  They're all the type with the dial on
the butt end - we need that since the earlier Spitfire has just a narrow
single pointer at the pulley, not a broad pointer with 25 or 30 degrees
marked on each side of zero.

1.   The car runs when the timing lights say it's at 57 degrees of
advance and it WON'T run (will barely idle and is non-responsive to
throttle inputs) when it's set back to 30 degrees of advance according
to the timing lights.

2.  When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the rotor is pointing JUST past
the position for the #1 plug wire (nowhere close to the 30 degr.  or so
past which it would be if the timing was actually 57 degrees advanced).

3.  The distributor drive gear appears to be in the correct position.
When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the drive gear is pointing
3:30-9:30, with the wider side of the slotted gear "down" (towards your
knees as you're sitting on the tire, cursing and mumbling to yourself
because you were just certain this was going to be the answer).  It
looks just like the picture in the manual.

4.  We also did the "set the timing by ear" thing, where you run the
car, rotate the distributor to advance the timing as the revs pick up
until it starts to stumble a bit, then rotate it back to retard the
timing until it quits stumbling and the revs drop just a bit.  The car
runs best when the timing is set there.  Checked with the timing lights
-- you guessed it -- 57 deg advance.

5.  Watching the rocker arms move up and down, the openings and closings
look right for the cam specs -- no dial indicator in the track boxes,
but the movements are at least approximately in the right place and
concentric-ish around TDC.

6.  As a further check on the cam installation, we measured the distance
before TDC on the crank pulley at which the intake starts to open.
Intake is supposed to open at 19 deg BTDC at 0.050" lift off the seat.
On a 4.75" pulley that should be a little more than 3/4 of an inch on
the rim of the pulley when the valve has just started to go down
(measured by eye on the valve and with a carpenter's tape measure on the
pulley -- yeah, we're gettin' reeeeeaaal scientific here)   (4.75 *
3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 19 = 0.798 inches).  It looked to be in
approximately the right spot, or at least as close as you can check with
no dial indicator to see when you're at 0.050" of lift and using a steel
tape measure on a round pulley.

7.  And using the same extremely scientific methods, we looked to see
that the distributor rotor was pointing approximately at #1 plug wire
location when the pointer was just about 0.5 inches before TDC #1 firing
(18 degrees of mechanical advance in the Mallory so 12 deg static
advance).  (4.75 * 3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 12 = 0.497 inches).

What the heck am I missing here?  Can the timing actually be at 30 deg
adv, while the timing lights are saying it's at 60-ish?  And if that's
possible, how?  what would cause it?

Scott B.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jun 11 06:32:24 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:32:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  Bad Time
Message-ID: <20070611123027.A5405187AC6@autox.team.net>

I recently found the same thing, and have stopped using the dial back 
timing light.  I put an extra mark on my pulley at 30 degrees.

In my case, the cause is an ignition system that sends and extra 
(unneeded) spark to each cylinder during the exhaust stroke.

This causes an actual advance of 28 degrees to appear to be well over 
50 degrees on the dial back timing light.

I have no idea why you would have that effect with your ignition 
setup.  It seems that a double spark confuses the timing light.

- Tony

>At 07:10 AM 6/11/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.  Lots of
>>head scratching and no racing.
>>
>>Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296 Spitfire
>>motor is at 55-57 deg advanced.  I'm not typically in the habit of
>>disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to think at
>>this point.  The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of advance, let
>>alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.
>>
>>Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
>>the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
>>all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?
>>
>>Is it possible that 3 timing lights are simultaneously wrong, but all
>>give the same erroneous reading?  They're all the type with the dial on
>>the butt end - we need that since the earlier Spitfire has just a narrow
>>single pointer at the pulley, not a broad pointer with 25 or 30 degrees
>>marked on each side of zero.
>>
>>1.   The car runs when the timing lights say it's at 57 degrees of
>>advance and it WON'T run (will barely idle and is non-responsive to
>>throttle inputs) when it's set back to 30 degrees of advance according
>>to the timing lights.
>>
>>2.  When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the rotor is pointing JUST past
>>the position for the #1 plug wire (nowhere close to the 30 degr.  or so
>>past which it would be if the timing was actually 57 degrees advanced).
>>
>><snip> to make it through the list



>>7.  And using the same extremely scientific methods, we looked to see
>>that the distributor rotor was pointing approximately at #1 plug wire
>>location when the pointer was just about 0.5 inches before TDC #1 firing
>>(18 degrees of mechanical advance in the Mallory so 12 deg static
>>advance).  (4.75 * 3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 12 = 0.497 inches).
>>
>>What the heck am I missing here?  Can the timing actually be at 30 deg
>>adv, while the timing lights are saying it's at 60-ish?  And if that's
>>possible, how?  what would cause it?
>>
>>Scott B.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Jun 11 09:19:47 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DFC6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <337375.80484.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott: Being an electronic engineer I'll tell you a secret...those lights with the dial in the handle rarely read correctly when new, and time just degrades them. Mark the pulley! Secondly, if you are using an inductive light and solid core wires you are picking up adjacent plugs firing. I love solid core wires, but they seem to make the more sensitive electronic add-on's react strangely. Rev limiters go nuts, MSD's don't work right, and inductive lights pick-up adjacent plugs. I have been using a 35+ year old timing light that hooks directly to the plug. No stray noise pick-up. I will say that I have stopped using solid core wires when using sensitive electronics. Thanks - Ed 


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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 11 11:34:03 2007
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <127096.85891.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott,
 
Most distributorless ignitions give exactly that symptom. If you're electronic and you have two coils rather than four that's your situation. All standard timing lights read 2x the actual advance because there is an extra spark going to each cylinder. Each coil has two output towers and services two cylinders. The cylinder that has a dense fuel/air mixture absorbs most of the spark energy. The opposite cylinder is on the exhaust stroke at roughly one atmosphere, absorbs next to no energy and the extra spark is harmless.
 
There are higher-end timing lights that have a switch for "waste spark" and two-stroke ignitions (same situation, spark occurs twice as often as a standard timing light expects). All it does is divide by two in that mode. OTC 3367 is one model. They are hard to find in stores but easy online.
 
Don't know if you built this one to vintage or prod specs. If you have a conventional distributor system, replace your capacitor. You may be getting extra spurious sparks that the capacitor is meant to damp. That confuses timing lights too. You might also check the fine wire that grounds the moving points baseplate to the housing.
 
Gary Schneider



----- Original Message ----
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To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10:53 AM
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time


...Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Jun 11 12:04:42 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:04:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV4A8723849A6A7D06732FAB71A0@phx.gbl>

Steve,
You can buy window net mounting kits with seat belt buckle type releases from
Leary Racing Products. All, or most of, the pieces you will need are
included.
Kevin
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  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:13 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


  Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
got
  about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 11 13:10:12 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV4A8723849A6A7D06732FAB71A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <622444.54198.qm@web58903.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Make sure you get the bottom bar as well.  There is some welding involved.
   
  I have used a similar system in the past, easy with no fuss.
   
  Also available from Racer Wholesale, for comparison shopping.
   
  Ernie

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  Steve,
You can buy window net mounting kits with seat belt buckle type releases from
Leary Racing Products. All, or most of, the pieces you will need are
included.
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To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting. I've
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 11 13:39:51 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
Message-ID: <BAY115-F287B68149B8ED72AF9D7F88C1A0@phx.gbl>

Intuitively, I would have through that window nets only make sense
if the doors are welded shut.

Shane Ingate, what the bleep do I know, in Maryland.

>Another mounting tip: if at all possible, the net should connect to the 
>roll bar, not the car body.
>
>In my rollover, the window net, which was attached to the drivers door and 
>the roof of the car, was totally ineffective.  Only my death grip on the 
>steering wheel prevented bad things from occurring.  When the car stopped, 
>the door was opened against the front fender, and the roof was flapping in 
>the wind.  Not a bad idea to do arm restraints in addition to the window 
>net.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-Shirts LAST CALL!
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 12 07:51:10 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Ed Barnard and Tom Strange win the prize.

The question was, given that all of the other observations indicated
that timing was actually at 30 degrees advance, what could cause three
separate timing lights to show timing at 60 degrees advance?  The
answer:  Inductive timing lights and solid core plug wires are a lousy
combination.

While I was beavering away at work yesterday (OK, so I was mostly
emailing you people), Dad dragged the old non-inductive style timing
light off the "dusty stuff" shelf, measured and marked off 30 degrees on
the pulley and there it was.  Steady 30 degrees of advance.  And, as an
added bonus, all of the leaping flashes before and after proper timing
are gone.

Scott B.


----- Original Message -----
From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jun 11 10:16:31 2007
Subject: [BULK]  Re: [Fot] Bad Time

Scott: Being an electronic engineer I'll tell you a secret... if you are
using an inductive light and solid core wires you are picking up
adjacent plugs firing. I love solid core wires, but they seem to make
the more sensitive electronic add-on's react strangely. Rev limiters go
nuts, MSD's don't work right, and inductive lights pick-up adjacent
plugs. I have been using a 35+ year old timing light that hooks directly
to the plug. No stray noise pick-up. I will say that I have stopped
using solid core wires when using sensitive electronics. Thanks - Ed

"Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:

	It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.
Lots of
	head scratching and no racing.

	Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296
Spitfire
	motor is at 55-57 deg advanced. I'm not typically in the habit
of
	disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to
think at
	this point. The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of
advance, let
	alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.

	Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me
that
	the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the
timing lights
	all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance. Is that possible?


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 12 17:40:24 2007
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Indy F1
Message-ID: <FCEGIHAKDJFAMCOPHGBEGEKCDMAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Anyone going to be at Indy this weekend?

I am the captain at turn 10. Stop by and say hello
if you are in the area. As long as there are no
cars on the track, I'll be glad to chat.

Doug

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun 13 13:53:28 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.

But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.

The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
head, if that makes a difference to anyone.

Scott B.


From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jun 13 15:08:41 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
Message-ID: <112745301.1181768921103.JavaMail.root@fepweb13>

Scott, I'm not sure if this is comparable or not but on my Sprites I'd have the probes 6 inches from the exhaust valve center. Under full load at the end of the straight I'd be looking for about 1250 degrees. That always seemed to be the sweet spot in performance and seems to be what the better National SCCA guys where seeing/doing with theirs. In the shop I'd see about 1000 at about 3000rpms.
Now remember, I'm new to Triumphs so none of that may matter. I'll definitely be checking with the TR3/4 guys when the EGTs are installed in the Ambro.
Dave Hesse
Ambro build ARE-003

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=============
Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
retirement). At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.

But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps? I'm assuming that the 1250
degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.

The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
head, if that makes a difference to anyone.

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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun 13 15:10:46 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <049001c7adff$52a6d740$03fea8c0@remsec1>

I target 1350 but only at the end of a straight, Anything else I ignore. 
When I ran stock pistons 1400 degrees was the fear point. Your situation may 
be different. This was on a 1296 Spitfire comfortable at 7800+ rpm and we 
ran a 34 degree total advance with twin HS-4 SUs.
I run a thermister on pipes 1 and 4 of the headers and can see immediately 
if the carbs are not in perfect synch.
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings


> Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
> retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
> of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
> We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.
>
> But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
> degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.
>
> The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
> head, if that makes a difference to anyone.
>
> Scott B.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 13 16:31:38 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:31:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
Message-ID: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>

Amici...

Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a simple, quick and 
dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel tow.  I've checked Behling's and 
Pegasus locally, and they knew of them, but didn't carry them.

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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun 13 17:13:25 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:13:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c7ae10$72761700$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

Most likely you have the probes a little close. The Westach EGT (which I 
have) recommends 4 - 6 inches. You may be in the flame or very close to it.
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings


> Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
> retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
> of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
> We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.
>
> But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
> degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.
>
> The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
> head, if that makes a difference to anyone.
>
> Scott B.
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Wed Jun 13 18:07:35 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:07:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
In-Reply-To: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F94C@server.Triumph.local>

Moss sells them, but forget the toe stick...

Look at eBay auction # 4526459130.

Forget paying $63 for that, make them yourself.

Hold one plate against one front wheel, get a helper to hold the other
plate against the other wheel. Get a regular carpenters tape measure, or
two matching tapes make it real easy. Insert the tape in the slot behind
the wheel, run tape under car and into the slot behind the wheel on the
other plate. Take your measurement, then get the measurement from the
front slots. Adjust until you get your desired toe.



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> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
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> Sent: June 13, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
>
> Amici...
>
> Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a
> simple, quick and dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel
> tow.  I've checked Behling's and Pegasus locally, and they
> knew of them, but didn't carry them.
>
> Bill Dentinger


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 13 18:21:30 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
In-Reply-To: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096834@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Could be your spelling--it's TOE. As in toe-in or toe-out. And most
folks make them from scrap. Mine is bent out of conduit/

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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:32 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick

Amici...

Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a simple,
quick and dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel tow.  I've checked
Behling's and Pegasus locally, and they knew of them, but didn't carry
them.

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jun 14 08:41:34 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:41:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
Message-ID: <d41.b1c131c.33a2ad9e@aol.com>

Amici...

As usual, I am about a lap and a half behind.

Yes I meant Toe Stick, and not Tow Stick.  My spelling is week.

But more embarrassing is I find my racing partner, Bob Wismer, has one, and 
is bringing it to BLACKHAWK this week end.  We'll use it next weekend (also at 
BLACKHAWK) to try and tune the TALISMAN chassis.

Thanks to all who responded.  All of the advise and comments on 'toe sticks' 
and 'toe plates' was very much appreciated.  

As was you tolerant reception to my spelling weeknesses.  This particularly 
because I am usually such a sarcastic type myself.

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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 14 08:53:44 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:53:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
In-Reply-To: <d41.b1c131c.33a2ad9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F31F7344AFDC3B9B69E01F0D21F0@phx.gbl>

>As was you tolerant reception to my spelling weeknesses.  This particularly
>because I am usually such a sarcastic type myself.

  Bill... we loves ya in spite of yourself.

  Will the be a whine and cheeze do this weekend?

  I've got a "bang up red" I want to try on youse

Geep

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: BillDentin at aol.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:41:34 EDT
>
>Amici...
>
>As usual, I am about a lap and a half behind.
>
>Yes I meant Toe Stick, and not Tow Stick.  My spelling is week.
>
>But more embarrassing is I find my racing partner, Bob Wismer, has one, and
>is bringing it to BLACKHAWK this week end.  We'll use it next weekend (also 
>at
>BLACKHAWK) to try and tune the TALISMAN chassis.
>
>Thanks to all who responded.  All of the advise and comments on 'toe 
>sticks'
>and 'toe plates' was very much appreciated.
>
>
>Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jun 14 22:07:59 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 DOG legs needed
Message-ID: <000701c7af02$c2f88210$2b24b348@blake1>

I am looking for a set of TR3 dog legs or at least the bottom 6" from
each side.  MOSS # QUARTER PANEL, L/H (dogleg) PN#855-730.  When I
replaced the inner sills and floors, I had to remove about 4-5" off the
bottom of each due to rust.  I don't think I will be able to fabricate
patch panels due to the curvature of the pieces.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jun 15 12:58:18 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:58:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter
Message-ID: <4672E14A.5050104@greenheart.com>

I have one of those oil filter conversions on my TR4A that I have used 
for years.  I have been using a FRAM 3600.   I just found this oil 
filter online from K&N.  I must say, having a 1" nut welded on the end 
to remove the filter sells me!  Here's the link for the K&N filter that 
replaces the FRAM...

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2009


--Justin


From BillB at bnj.com  Fri Jun 15 13:10:17 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:10:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter
In-Reply-To: <4672E14A.5050104@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096837@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Very nice, though the new Fram3600 has rough textured paint on the grip
area that makes R&R pretty easy. I like the safety wire part too. I put
a hose clamp on my filters and safety wire them. But it's not ideal.

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Behalf Of Justin Wagner
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter

I have one of those oil filter conversions on my TR4A that I have used
for years.  I have been using a FRAM 3600.   I just found this oil
filter online from K&N.  I must say, having a 1" nut welded on the end
to remove the filter sells me!  Here's the link for the K&N filter that
replaces the FRAM...

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2009


--Justin
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From jdment at suddenlink.net  Sat Jun 16 14:23:02 2007
From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
Message-ID: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>

Amici

 

I may be purchasing a TR250 from the Washington DC area.

 

It is the Jasmin Yellow one listed in the VTR (www.vtr.org
<http://www.vtr.org/> ) classifieds by Rene Burcksen.

 

Does anyone know this car, seen it in person, know Rene, or have any other
insider information.

 

I'm looking for a fun, reliable car to go to club events while I work on (I
mean race) my TR3.

 

Thanks for any insight.

 

Jim McAndrew

Tyler, Texas 


From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Sat Jun 16 15:21:57 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
In-Reply-To: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>
Message-ID: <000b01c7b05c$63743b30$57e8a8c0@DWC>

Jim,
Sorry, no info on this car or owner.  But if you don't get it let me know, I
might like it.  My first intro to Triumphs was owning a Jasmine yellow 250
in Austin, Texas.

Don W. Carter, AIA
Carter Design Associates
6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
Houston, Texas 77057
(713) 529-2288 Telephone
(713) 789-2330 Fax
don at carterdesignassociates.com



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of James McAndrew
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:23 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250


Amici



I may be purchasing a TR250 from the Washington DC area.



It is the Jasmin Yellow one listed in the VTR (www.vtr.org
<http://www.vtr.org/> ) classifieds by Rene Burcksen.



Does anyone know this car, seen it in person, know Rene, or have any other
insider information.



I'm looking for a fun, reliable car to go to club events while I work on (I
mean race) my TR3.



Thanks for any insight.



Jim McAndrew

Tyler, Texas
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jun 16 20:25:11 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:25:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
References: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1020EDF38471459A2F05D2C31C0@phx.gbl>

Do watch out for corroded/rusted/soft/dangerous rear trailing arm attachment
points.  Rusted chassis are the bane of the IRS cars.

Terry Stetler


From chasgee at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 08:51:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:51:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2007 Kastner Cup - Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <8C97F0615CC4109-1F18-7CF4@FWM-D38.sysops.aol.com>

All,

The 2007 Kastner Cup race is almost here, so get your entry in right away!
Don't miss this opportunity to race at a great track, with great weather, and,
of course, great FOT hospitality.B  Kas and Peggy will be there to cheer us on
and present the Cup, and, most importantly, poor the champagne.

Details can be found at the FOT website: http://www.fot-racing.com/

Hope to see you there!



Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Sun Jun 17 18:35:06 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:35:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2007 Kastner Cup - Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <20070617.204346.-201659.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

If you are still on the fence about going to Miller, here are a few
thoughts about the destination:

Tooele, Utah, it just sounds like the middle of nowhere. In reality, it
is 30 miles from the Salt Lake City International Airport. Nestled at the
base of the west slope of the Oquirrh Mountains in eastern Tooele County.
The City of Tooele has the amenities expected in the 21st century, yet
still retains some 19th century details. Tooele County, second largest in
Utah, has a motor sports heritage that goes back into the early 20th
century with the Land Speed Record runs conducted at the Bonneville Salt
Flats.
Larry Miller, having been shot down in his efforts to expand facilities
in Mead, Colorado and rejected by Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is a
major presence, accepted the offer from Tooele County to come and look at
a piece of land they had available. Ninety plus million dollars later,
Larry had a state of the art road racing facility a few miles outside
Tooele. The multi configuration track is capable of hosting two events
simultaneously on two, 2+ mile circuits, run an event on the perimeter
track (on which motorcycles have already averaged above 100 MPH), or the
full, 4.65 mile, 23 corner Pro-Circuit. On top of that, there is a
Go-Kart track with too many configurations to count and dirt hills on
each end for off road activities. Motorcycles can play on the Kart
facilities as well. 
The facility is ready to go to host a United States Grand Prix (with a
few more seats). There are GP garages on pit lane fitted with everything
a prima donna GP team could want. Yes, there are TVs in there. Race
control is likewise fitted with large TV monitors capable of showing
images from cameras fitted around the track. The view from Race Control
is quite picturesque with the Oquirrh Mountains to the left, South
Mountain in front of you, the Stansbury Mountains on your right and the
track in the foreground. Id like to see the place in the Spring when the
grass is green. 
DO NOT miss your next opportunity to visit this incredible facility with
the same sort of amenities we enjoyed at PPIR, just kicked way, WAY up,
and a REAL road course! 
You will be glad you came.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:51:13 -0400 chasgee at aol.com writes:
> All,
> 
> The 2007 Kastner Cup race is almost here, so get your entry in right 
> away!
> Don't miss this opportunity to race at a great track, with great 
> weather, and,
> of course, great FOT hospitality.B  Kas and Peggy will be there to 
> cheer us on
> and present the Cup, and, most importantly, poor the champagne.
> 
> Details can be found at the FOT website: http://www.fot-racing.com/
> 
> Hope to see you there!
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
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From mymully at abnet.ca  Sun Jun 17 21:39:34 2007
From: mymully at abnet.ca (Ed & Judy Winters)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Steering/ignition lock TR6
Message-ID: <001a01c7b15a$4a90e010$6700a8c0@DG0W8511>

A buddy of mine has a Tr6  (1975) He changed his dash board and now has a
situation with his headlights.The headlights work fine without the engine
running.When the vehicle is running he loses his headlights.The usual checks
for proper connections, grounds ,Etc has been done without success,He has
narrowed it down to the steering lock however  he is not sure why . The
ignition switch was removed and cleaned ( appears to be working okay ) There
is a black and green wire connected at the base of the lock.It doesn't show up
on the wiring diagram There info schematic of the locking mechanism in the
shop manual to show how it works .Does anyone have any idea why  this would
cause this problem.
Ed Winters.


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sun Jun 17 21:54:45 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 50K
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALGEKIEHAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

This afternoon I took the TR3 to the next town (20 mile round trip) and
notice, as I pulled into the garage that I was within 2 miles of turning
50,000 miles since rebuilt.  Seeing as how that is something of a milestone
I decided to wait until the cool of the evening and take a run around my
usual tuning course.

It was a beautiful evening.  Cool and the car was running very well.  I had
this whole long, self congratulatory post planned, to tell the story of
dragging this car out of my fathers barn in 1995 and spending the next 7
years rebuilding it and cap it off with how I had been, mostly successful in
putting 50,000 trouble free miles on it in the 5 years since.  A real back
slapper about driving it to both coasts and several dozen destinations in
between and about fixing whatever minor problems arose with basic hand tools
in motel parking lots and racetrack paddocks.

Well, the car had different ideas.  About 10 miles into the course, and 8
miles after I had passed the magic 50 K mark, I hit a railroad crossing a
little fast and BANG, the rear axle shifted about 6 inches forward and the
left rear dropped 4 or 5 inches down.  I am assuming that the axle came free
from the spring mounting, but its too dark and too remote to try to fix it
right now and it is clearly not drivable as is.  I will send a tow truck out
in the morning and better assess the damage (This will be only the second
ride home on a hook) and hopefully have it back on the road well before time
to leave for TRF / Pittsburg Grand Prix / VTR, but this is not the ending I
was hoping for this story. :-)

These cars certainly have a knack for keeping a person humble.

Ken Gano


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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Mon Jun 18 06:05:51 2007
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 50K
References: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALGEKIEHAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c7b1a1$06cabf30$76ca5346@Elliott>

I was 7 miles from home after driving over 7200 miles from Montreal and 
back - to Portland, Oregon, for VTR back in 2000 when the rear spring broke 
on the passenger's side.  Trear fender on that side was down as you 
describe - almost touching the ground.  I limped home the last 7 miles.  I 
guess that the shock assembly kept it together.  The car (and the rear 
springs) had 130,000 miles on them from new and I had driven 45,000 miles 
since I had completed my restoration in 1990.  The day after, I removed the 
rear spring and found that the spring was broken just to the rear of the 
axle.  The two outer leaves of the RHS rear spring had clean fractures.  But 
the two inner leaves had broken some time earlier.  This was obvious by the 
scrubbed and rusty surfaces across the fractures.

I called the local sportscar shop and he had 10 springs in stock.  A few 
days later, I was back on the road.  The sashay feeling on smooth but wavy 
surfaced roads had dissappeared.  I suppose that the two broken leaves had 
been cauing this for about two years.

Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A

http://www.triumphest2006.com/images/clubcars/30donelliott'str3.jpg

(photo at VTR 2001, Colorado - drove 5225 miles that trip)


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From: "Ken Gano, home" <triumphs at consolidated.net>
To: "Michael Porter" <portermd at zianet.com>; "Triumph List" 
<triumphs at Autox.Team.Net>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] 50K


> This afternoon I took the TR3 to the next town (20 mile round trip) and
> notice, as I pulled into the garage that I was within 2 miles of turning
> 50,000 miles since rebuilt.  Seeing as how that is something of a 
> milestone
> I decided to wait until the cool of the evening and take a run around my
> usual tuning course.
>
> It was a beautiful evening.  Cool and the car was running very well.  I 
> had
> this whole long, self congratulatory post planned, to tell the story of
> dragging this car out of my fathers barn in 1995 and spending the next 7
> years rebuilding it and cap it off with how I had been, mostly successful 
> in
> putting 50,000 trouble free miles on it in the 5 years since.  A real back
> slapper about driving it to both coasts and several dozen destinations in
> between and about fixing whatever minor problems arose with basic hand 
> tools
> in motel parking lots and racetrack paddocks.
>
> Well, the car had different ideas.  About 10 miles into the course, and 8
> miles after I had passed the magic 50 K mark, I hit a railroad crossing a
> little fast and BANG, the rear axle shifted about 6 inches forward and the
> left rear dropped 4 or 5 inches down.  I am assuming that the axle came 
> free
> from the spring mounting, but its too dark and too remote to try to fix 
> it
> right now and it is clearly not drivable as is.  I will send a tow truck 
> out
> in the morning and better assess the damage (This will be only the second
> ride home on a hook) and hopefully have it back on the road well before 
> time
> to leave for TRF / Pittsburg Grand Prix / VTR, but this is not the ending 
> I
> was hoping for this story. :-)
>
> These cars certainly have a knack for keeping a person humble.
>
> Ken Gano
>
>
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 06:19:27 2007
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:19:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
Message-ID: <000901c7b1a2$ea04a620$6401a8c0@RTA>

Glacier Girl, the P-38 we got out of Greenland, is on its way to completing
its mission to England. 
 
To follow it check out airshowbuzz.com
 
And if you think you know something about driving an airplane, click P-51
Horsemen. Wow!
 


Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA

TAYLOR  ARCHITECTURE
 
<http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+St.+++Suite+196&csz
=Atlanta%2C+Georgia&country=us> 112  Krog  St.    Suite  196
Atlanta,   Georgia,   30307

tel:
<http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+223-1313&Email
=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 

fax:          (404) 223-1312

mobile:
<http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+660-4920&Email
=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 

 


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From Cofrog at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 15:28:01 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:28:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Room at Miller??
Message-ID: <c23.1aac9355.33a852e1@aol.com>

Unfortunately the engine rebuild on my TR4A continues so cannot run at  
Miller.  But am planning to drive over from Denver to mingle.  Is  anyone else 
going alone that would like to to split a room on Friday and  Saturday night?  I 
have room for a rider from Denver also.
 
Dan Forgey 




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 18 16:03:17 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:03:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
Message-ID: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>

Richard,

Are you going to England?  

Lots of pilots in Alaska. 

Read two great Bush Pilot Biographies while here.

Joe (A)

its way to completing
>its mission to England. 
> 
>To follow it check out airshowbuzz.com
> 
>And if you think you know something about driving an airplane, click P-51
>Horsemen. Wow!
> 
>
>
>Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA
>
>TAYLOR  ARCHITECTURE
> 
><http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+St.+++Suite+196&csz
>=Atlanta%2C+Georgia&country=us> 112  Krog  St.    Suite  196
>Atlanta,   Georgia,   30307
>
>tel:
><http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+223-1313&Email
>=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 
>
>fax:          (404) 223-1312
>
>mobile:
><http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+660-4920&Email
>=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 
>
> 
>
>
>     <http://www.taylor-architecture.com/> www.taylor-architecture.com
>
>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:15:15 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:15:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>

A couple of my online simulation flying buddies saw Glacier Girl  at the Chino
air show earlier this year. I'm crushed that I'm on the wrong side of the
continent and missed seeing the 3 flyable P38s on the planet in one place at
one time.

Are any of you planning on attending The Gathering of Mustangs and Legends in
Columbus Ohio at the end of September?

As of yesterday they had 102 P51s registered to attend.  It is a 4 day airshow
that has sort of been "commandeered" by the USAF as the unofficial 60th
anniversary airshow for the USAF.  Lots of warbirds in addition to the 100+
Mustangs, also F22s and the USAF Thunderbirds will appear all four days.  The
organizers are planning on putting up all 100+ P51s in one flight every day of
the show...

Wow!

Linkage to the official website...

http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp<http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp>


Terry Stetler


From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:17:15 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:17:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
	<BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV8320751411628D0E1076FC3130@phx.gbl>

Oops...

I hope this link works better

http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp<http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp>


From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:25:41 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
	<BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>
	<BAY116-DAV8320751411628D0E1076FC3130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV5D8B5F2E77856863AC9E9C3130@phx.gbl>

Her is a link to the trailer for the event... turn up your speakers.

http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47<http://www.airshowbuzz.
com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47>

Terry.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 07:03:59 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:03:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Glacier Girl
Message-ID: <d0f.c261598.33a92e3f@aol.com>

Amici...

Glacier Girl's getting a lot of ink this morning in the USA TODAY.  Pity our 
Richard Taylor doesn't get his due in such an article.  The efforts expended 
to get this airplane back in the air, and now to complete her 1942 mission are 
awesome.  Not the least of which seven million dollars plus towards recovery 
and restoration, but if the ruler is 'blood, guts, and personal effort', 
Richard is right up there at the top of the list.

Bill Dentinger
 


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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun 19 09:19:34 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (bownes at seiri.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:19:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191118060.9815@stegosaurus.seiri.com>

Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.

Car is in Kingston, N.Y..


http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html

Bob


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 19 10:22:46 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Glacier Girl
In-Reply-To: <d0f.c261598.33a92e3f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <311514.56816.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:  Amici...

Glacier Girl's getting a lot of ink this morning in the USA TODAY. Pity our 
Richard Taylor doesn't get his due in such an article. The efforts expended 
to get this airplane back in the air, and now to complete her 1942 mission are 
awesome. Not the least of which seven million dollars plus towards recovery 
and restoration, but if the ruler is 'blood, guts, and personal effort', 
Richard is right up there at the top of the list.

Bill Dentinger

I second this ... thank you Richard for all your work and your part in this.... its a great accomplishment.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 19 10:38:11 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191118060.9815@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10706191237460.21160-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:

> Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
> major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.
> 
> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
> 
> 
> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
> 
> Bob

That car has Andy written all over it.

:-)

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 10:51:38 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10706191237460.21160-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:

> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>
> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>
> Bob

That car has Andy written all over it.

==AM==
Alas, Bob, not these days. I've been without a tow vehicle for over 
four years now. (Ok, my daughter has a Mazda B3000 pickup, but it's not 
quite tow-ready.) Oddly enough, I've actually been ever-so-slowly 
whittling down the yard art. I actually watched last summer with great 
joy as, one by one, five derelict Volvos left my driveway for the last 
time. For that matter, I've a couple of semi-roller TR3s that look at 
least as good as the one on Craigslist, and they're available (probably 
not for $1, but maybe for not all that much more).

--Andy Mace (busy keeping my son motivated enough to make a GT6 
convertible for himself!)

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun 19 11:01:26 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (bownes at seiri.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>

Well, as it is a small mouth 3, I did consider it for at least a few 
seconds. Someday I'll restore one for my Dad, who had one when he dated 
Mom.

Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

I might have a decent green GT6 MK III for Ian when the time comes. Just 
need to pry the top off :-)

iii


On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, herald948 at aol.com wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:
>
>> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>> 
>> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>> 
>> Bob
>
> That car has Andy written all over it.
>
> ==AM==
> Alas, Bob, not these days. I've been without a tow vehicle for over four 
> years now. (Ok, my daughter has a Mazda B3000 pickup, but it's not quite 
> tow-ready.) Oddly enough, I've actually been ever-so-slowly whittling down 
> the yard art. I actually watched last summer with great joy as, one by one, 
> five derelict Volvos left my driveway for the last time. For that matter, 
> I've a couple of semi-roller TR3s that look at least as good as the one on 
> Craigslist, and they're available (probably not for $1, but maybe for not all 
> that much more).
>
> --Andy Mace (busy keeping my son motivated enough to make a GT6 convertible 
> for himself!)
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald 
> Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue Jun 19 12:14:54 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:14:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] driving daugters
Message-ID: <d24.10f9e110.33a9771e@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 6/19/2007 11:00:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

Crumbs Andy,

You mean to say that sweet little girl I met back in Sept 98 had the cheek to
grow up?

That was like, yesterday!!!

I suppose next you'll be teling us that her brother has gone and done the
same exact thing?

But seriously, it'a been too long Andy!

Best Regards

Lion

(My step-daughter is 17 on July 10th, she takes her drivers test on June
22nd)

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HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 12:25:34 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:25:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
References: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
Message-ID: <8C980B65C43EFC1-1D4C-E9B6@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: bownes at seiri.com

Well, as it is a small mouth 3, I did consider it for at least a few
seconds. Someday I'll restore one for my Dad, who had one when he dated
Mom.

==AM==
Cool memory. Small-mouth cars are still out there, hopefully some 
better than the Craigslist car!
==AM==

Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

==AM==
Hey, that's what I keep saying to myself. Yep, the little five-week-old 
at the first VTR National in Albany, NY, is 18 this week, graduating 
from high school and headed off to college this fall!

==AM==

I might have a decent green GT6 MK III for Ian when the time comes. 
Just
need to pry the top off :-)

==AM==
Geez, there are times when I still miss that ratty but mostly 
dead-reliable GT6! And now that you mention it, both Sarah and Ian are 
fond of green Triumphs (of which I have a surfeit)...along with almost 
any other color of Triumphs. Heck, Sarah keeps saying that one of these 
summers, she and I ought to dust off the old Hardly Boys RaceSpit 4 and 
go autocrossing. Could happen....

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From whimsey1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 19 12:51:33 2007
From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <21455008.1182279093853.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The asking price is actually $1500.  I've spoken with the owner.
Kind regards to all.
jimdonick

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2007 12:38 PM
>To: bownes at seiri.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] $1 TR3
>
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:
>
>> Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
>> major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.
>> 
>> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>> 
>> 
>> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>> 
>> Bob
>
>That car has Andy written all over it.
>
>:-)
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 12:54:30 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:54:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <c97.122673de.33a98066@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/19/2007 1:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
whimsey1 at earthlink.net writes:


> The asking price is actually $1500.  I've spoken with the owner.
> Kind regards to all.
> 

Jim...

Did the guy say how much fuel is in the tank?

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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Jun 19 19:14:10 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:14:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)
Message-ID: <12860860.3609571182302050907.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net>

Below is an email from Kerry at Crower.
Mordy

>From: Kerry <kerry at crower.com>
>Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 06:07:26 CDT
>To: 'MDunst/Gasket Works' <gasket.works at verizon.net>

>
>The cranks are almost finished maybe 1 week


M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
gmt-8 Pacific time
626.358.1616 voice
626.628.3777 fax


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun 19 23:35:36 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:35:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <4678BCA8.4010807@bradakis.com>

Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm working
on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
Any FOT folks planning on attending?

Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.

And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But there
is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
at Millah, but don't hold your breath.

mjb.


From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 20 05:49:30 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:49:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>

I plan to attend the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.

Dean Tetterton




>From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
>Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip

>Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
>since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
>to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm working
>on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
>Any FOT folks planning on attending?
>
>Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
>but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
>So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
>who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
>my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.
>
>And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
>Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
>it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But there
>is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
>much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
>at Millah, but don't hold your breath.
>
>mjb.
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From VANDECARR at aol.com  Wed Jun 20 09:07:44 2007
From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:07:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <d22.878d62e.33aa9cc0@aol.com>

I live about 25 miles from Kingston and contacted the owner.   He wants $1500 
and readily admits there is not prospect of restoring the car and is only 
good for parts.   A few years ago I picked up a "free" TR 6 in similar condition. 
  The frame broke in half when I winched it up on the trailer, ripped open 
the spare tire and damaged the trailer.   I spent 2 days trying to get useful 
parts off it and only ended up with the engine/trans and the diff.   Everything 
else was in such bad shape it either broke when I took it off or wasn't worth 
taking off.

All things considered, I think $1500 is a little much for this. 

Dean VanDeCarr


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 17:40:39 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:40:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12F57BB58147DB13FB3505BA110@phx.gbl>

I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
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From scypher at usa.com  Wed Jun 20 19:35:51 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Info Needed: Triumph Machine Shop in SE PA, Philly Area
Message-ID: <F45C91EA-C121-4C4B-81B9-6AAEE19A2410@usa.com>

It looks like I'm in need of a machine shop to do some minor work to  
my block.
What shops are there in the in the SE PA area?

Thanks
-Scott


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 20 20:58:28 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:58:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>

informal fot/vtr get together?

jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.

we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.

from seattle....

joe a

>I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Jun 20 21:06:55 2007
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:06:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4679EB4F.6010802@141.com>

Joe,

Susan and I will be staying at French Creek State Park.  Its around $99 
for the week.  610-582-9680 or 888-PA-PARKS

Contact Susan for more details.

Brad


N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
> informal fot/vtr get together?
>
> jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
> we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
> from seattle....
>
> joe a
>
>   
>> I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>> 06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>> fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>> the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>> people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>> Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>> 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>     
>>> Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>>>       
>> a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>> planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>> in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>> We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>> VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>> few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>> person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>> such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>> local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>> drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>> shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>> annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>> Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>> before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
>>     
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 21:07:45 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <514931.85611.qm@web58902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heck I was at Valley Forge once and thought there was a lot of area for camping.  If it were good enough for General Washington it should be good enough for anyone.
   
  Of course I'm not sure the Park Rangers would agree.
   
  Wish I were going.

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  informal fot/vtr get together?

jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.

we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.

from seattle....

joe a


 	 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 20 22:37:16 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <62367FD4.65444F2E.00159EE9@cs.com>

at the moment we are planning tent...french creek sounds good.

joe

>Joe,
>
>Susan and I will be staying at French Creek State Park.  Its around $99 
>for the week.  610-582-9680 or 888-PA-PARKS
>
>Contact Susan for more details.
>
>Brad
>
>
>N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>> informal fot/vtr get together?
>>
>> jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>>
>> we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>>
>> from seattle....
>>
>> joe a
>>
>>   
>>> I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>>> 06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>>> fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>>> the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>>> people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>>> Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>>> 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>>     
>>>> Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>>>>       
>>> a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>>> planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>>> in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>>> We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>>> VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>>> few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>>> person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>>> such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>>> local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>>> drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>>> shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>>> annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>>> Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>>> before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
>>>     
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 04:44:28 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 spindle
Message-ID: <002a01c7b3f1$25223ec0$0101a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

Does any one have a GT6 front spindle to sell? Just the spindle not the whole
upright.

thxx,
Bob
70 GT6 vintage racer
59 MGA coupe


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 06:26:37 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:26:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <514931.85611.qm@web58902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F21345FCDD4322D435F1795D2100@phx.gbl>

As a kid I practically lived at Valley Forge... That being said I visited 
the park just last winter. Boy things have changed! Mostly for the better. 
It's less a park surroundin major thoroughfares but an actual park that  you 
woul stop and see. There are cycle trails and a whole lot more deer than I 
remember.

Camping in the area? I dunno... I'm sure there's campgrounds around... 
probably convenient to the park too. The whole area is a LOT more built up 
than it was when I was a kid.

Be sure to get to Philly If you're Driving a TR, make sure you drive the 
East and West River Drives... Very cool. If you're in to art definitely go 
the Philadelphia Museum of Art... it's world class. The water front on the 
Delaware is really neat too.

Restaurants?

The City Tavern
AVOID Bookbinders
Jimis Steaks (4th & South) Bets Cheese Steaks
Sansom Street Oyster House

If your want current info I can ask my sister who lives there.

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>
>To: N197TR4 at cs.com, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>,tr3a58 at verizon.net, 
>"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>, Friends ofTriumph 
><fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Heck I was at Valley Forge once and thought there was a lot of area for 
>camping.  If it were good enough for General Washington it should be good 
>enough for anyone.
>
>   Of course I'm not sure the Park Rangers would agree.
>
>   Wish I were going.
>
>N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>   informal fot/vtr get together?
>
>jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
>we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
>from seattle....
>
>joe a
>
>
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From mikee at ragtops.com  Thu Jun 21 06:42:38 2007
From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fun at Valley Forge
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1182362401.26502.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1182362401.26502.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <467A723E.3020105@ragtops.com>

Listers:
Ragtops & Roadsters is located about 1/2 hour from the VTR in Valley 
Forge. In the unlikely situation that anyone needs mechanical assistance 
  while attending the event, please feel free to contact the shop. Of 
course, there will be parts vendors at the show as well as many people 
with the technical ability to perform any service needed, but if you 
need a lift (raise your car up or transport it) we're here to help.

Mike Engard


From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 09:55:26 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F3380844CEC1280E4E1A0A9A5100@phx.gbl>

>informal fot/vtr get together?
>
>jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
>we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
>from seattle....
>
>joe a
>

I'm going in The Blue TR3.

See you there.

John H.


From mikee at ragtops.com  Thu Jun 21 10:20:40 2007
From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:20:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fun at Valley Forge
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10093.1182441347.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10093.1182441347.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <467AA558.6040903@ragtops.com>

Listers:
Ragtops & Roadsters is located about 1/2 hour from the VTR in Valley
Forge. In the unlikely situation that anyone needs mechanical assistance
   while attending the event, please feel free to contact the shop. Of
course, there will be parts vendors at the show as well as many people
with the technical ability to perform any service needed, but if you
need a lift (raise your car up or transport it) we're here to help.

If you feel you may overdose on Triumphs feel free to visit the shop 
where you can see Jaguars, Austin-Healeys, Loti, Morgans, Sunbeams and 
even the dreaded MG. Directions are on the website <www.ragtops.com>.

I'll be doing a tech session with Moss at the VTR on supercharging a TR-250.

Mike Engard


From billsohl at optonline.net  Thu Jun 21 10:37:18 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <7084111D868F4027B7643114620D5649@SohlPC>

Linda and I will be at VTR on several days.   It is close enough that we'll 
do it as a couple of day trips.
Current plans are to have our "original" 61 TR3A at the show field on 
Friday.

Cheers,
Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tr3a58 at verizon.net>
To: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>; "Friends of Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip


>I plan to attend the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We 
>have a fair amount of people attending. Look forward to seeing any other 
>FOT there.
>
> Dean Tetterton
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
>>Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
>
>>Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
>>since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
>>to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm 
>>working
>>on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
>>Any FOT folks planning on attending?
>>
>>Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
>>but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
>>So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
>>who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
>>my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.
>>
>>And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
>>Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
>>it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But 
>>there
>>is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
>>much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
>>at Millah, but don't hold your breath.
>>
>>mjb.
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From STLNYC at msn.com  Thu Jun 21 12:27:42 2007
From: STLNYC at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:27:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Important News on High Plains Raceway
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV18198AA8E3C62C3C221024DA100@phx.gbl>

Thought the list might be interested in what we're doing in Colorado

Fred
Hodgson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robert
Alder<mailto:r.alder at earthlink.net> 
To: All
Members<mailto:r.alder at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:12 PM
Subject: Important News on High Plains Raceway


All RMVR Members:
Tuesday the 19th was a milestone for the development of the High Plains
Raceway -- the new home for a club-owned racing facility to replace Second
Creek.  Specifically there was an enthusiastic vote of 5 to 0 to add "amateur
motorsport" as a permitted Use by Special Review by the Planning Commission of
Arapahoe County.  As a result, CAMA is now in a position to provide you with
great detail about this exciting project.  And, in conjunction with all the
participating clubs, the Capital Campaign is now being launched.

CAMA has
issued an important News Release intended for the membership of the
constituent clubs such as RMVR.   You can read that News Release on the
track's brand new website,
www.HighPlainsRaceway.com<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/>.  The website
also includes tons of information about the track layout, about the Capital
Campaign, and about the progress of the fund raising.  And there is an
extensive FAQ section to answer all your questions. 

As an RMVR member you
will be receiving a mailing on the Capital Campaign in a couple of weeks.  But
in the meantime, all the details of that campaign are now on the website,
www.HighPlainsRaceway.com<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/> 

Please take
time to visit the website and to review the mailed materials to inform
yourself about this important development in your, and your club's, future
racing opportunities.

Sincerely,
The RMVR Board 

P.S.  As this email
was being sent (Tues. morning) there were some glitches in getting the host
server to accept the new website. Bummer.  So, if HighPlainsRaceway.com
doesn't respond immediately, please try again later.  They are working on it.
Sorry for the delay and it should be resolved by tomorrow at the latest.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Jun 21 20:35:05 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
Message-ID: <969473.8191.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers: This time I come not just begging for help, but also offering things. Lets get the begging out of the way first. I am looking for a drivers side seat frame for a late model TR6. The type that has the separate headrest. I have a car I'm doing that the original frame is bent beyond use. 
  Now for the offerings...I have been putting tons of spares on Ebay lately and while clearing a pallet rack I came across a new Paeco TR-6-7700 cam. Not sure how I came about it, but it is heading for the auction block and I thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone is interested. The specs are as follows: Int: 43/79  Exh: 76/32   Duration: 302   Lift: .502"   RPM range: 4800-7700 rpm.  It doesn't look like this cam is for the faint of heart. If anyone on the list is interested in the cam or selling a seat frame please email me off list.
  Thanks - Ed


From mini at wi.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 23:03:55 2007
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fenders
Message-ID: <000001c7b48a$c05dd590$6400a8c0@home>

As some of you may recall, Stonefield Vintage Racing was running two cars at
the May MOTRAH race at RA, Dan Gehweiler running a Mini Cooper and Alan
Washatko running a TR6. We had a great time meeting people and talking about
Triumphs and Minis. The high point of the weekend was meeting Kas Kastner
and his wife. Kas and his wife are truly wonderful people. The low point was
watching the wall right after turn 14 suck Alan's TR6 right off of the track
in the rain, and planting a big wet kiss on the driver's side of the car.
(Like Tony Drew said, "Makes for a good story"). Fortunately it could have
been a lot worse.



We have most of the parts that we need to repair the damage, however we are
in need of a driver's side front and rear fender (that's "wing" to you UK
and Australian guys). If anyone has any rust free (Stop laughing) parts,
could you please contact me and let me know the particulars.



Thanks Much,



Richard Gehweiler

mini at wi.rr.com

1.262.894.5460


From mattspit at att.net  Fri Jun 22 06:42:48 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:42:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] thanks for advice on selling spitfire
Message-ID: <062220071242.14726.467BC3C7000E187D0000398621603763169B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Thanks for the advice and help on places to place advertisements to sell my Spitfire.
I have finally reluctantly placed them.

One interesting note. 
At the Totally Triumph Classified site I needed to spell fiberglass with only one s in order to avoid the automatic check for unacceptable words. Never thought it would complain about parts of words.

Thanks again

matt


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 22 09:18:26 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <001901c7b4e0$953cc410$0301000a@Chowdown>

Anyone want a TR3 front passenger seat?  It's the folding one, in rust-free
orig. condition.  It looks a bit shabby and was in my race-car as a way to
scare passengers. No bottom cushion either, but If you want it, and pay the
shipping, it's free.  Let me know if you need a pic.

~Steve


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Jun 21 13:05:45 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)
References: <12860860.3609571182302050907.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <005801c7b437$2f3a4f60$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Kerry says the Cranks are to be balanced next Monday.

M. Dunst 
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
626.358.1616 Voice
626.628.3777 Fax
GMT -8  Pacific 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gasket Works USA <gasket.works at gte.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)


> Below is an email from Kerry at Crower.
> Mordy
> 
> >From: Kerry <kerry at crower.com>
> >Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 06:07:26 CDT
> >To: 'MDunst/Gasket Works' <gasket.works at verizon.net>
> 
> >
> >The cranks are almost finished maybe 1 week
> 
> 
> M.N.Dunst
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
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From BillB at bnj.com  Sun Jun 24 10:13:18 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
In-Reply-To: <969473.8191.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096841@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is crap.
Best sold on eBay to someone you won't be talking to again.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:35 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits

Listers: This time I come not just begging for help, but also offering
things. Lets get the begging out of the way first. I am looking for a
drivers side seat frame for a late model TR6. The type that has the
separate headrest. I have a car I'm doing that the original frame is
bent beyond use.
  Now for the offerings...I have been putting tons of spares on Ebay
lately and while clearing a pallet rack I came across a new Paeco
TR-6-7700 cam. Not sure how I came about it, but it is heading for the
auction block and I thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone is
interested. The specs are as follows: Int: 43/79  Exh: 76/32   Duration:
302   Lift: .502"   RPM range: 4800-7700 rpm.  It doesn't look like this
cam is for the faint of heart. If anyone on the list is interested in
the cam or selling a seat frame please email me off list.
  Thanks - Ed
billb at bnj.com
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 24 13:23:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm Spacers-Offered  @  $20/set
Message-ID: <41D77A26.0CC3034F.00159EE9@cs.com>

FoT List:

We ran Road America with a set of these ROCKER ARM SPACERS. Trial was very successful.  

Now have several sets available.

Lighter weight than steel
Closer tolerances than steel
Lower cost than steel.
Grey "marble" looks like metal
Unconditionally guaranteed.

$20/set to FoT including postage.

One time offer to Triumph Lists.

Available through Distibutors, soon.

TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

A.R.E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648

N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal  

Thanks....


From Cofrog at aol.com  Sun Jun 24 15:42:58 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:42:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
Message-ID: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>

Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion.  He went thru drivers  school 
in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La  Junta 
in July.  Any seconds?  His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) .  
Dan Forgey



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From billsohl at optonline.net  Sun Jun 24 16:56:56 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2nd - Re:  Nomination - Jim Gray
In-Reply-To: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
References: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4DC8844651E64BB394CE31EC4A00430D@SohlPC>

I second the nomination.

Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cofrog at aol.com>
To: <FOT at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray


> Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion.  He went thru drivers 
> school
> in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La 
> Junta
> in July.  Any seconds?  His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_
> (mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) .
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 24 17:40:49 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
In-Reply-To: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59124.79940.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heck with an email address like that he has to be okay, third.

Cofrog at aol.com wrote:  Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion. He went thru drivers school 
in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La Junta 
in July. Any seconds? His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) . 
Dan Forgey



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From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 24 17:46:05 2007
From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination-Jim Gray
Message-ID: <062420072346.2349.467F023D0002B1610000092D2160376021990E04D2069D@att.net>

I third the nomination.  Even though my TR-4A is raced in California, I like to see fellow Coloradoans on the list.  Jim, hope to meet you soon. Are you sure the e-mail is toodamnfunky? Are you using your teenagers e-mail?
Western Eagle Racing
Ron Jacobs


From BLUEBIT at comcast.net  Mon Jun 25 08:12:42 2007
From: BLUEBIT at comcast.net (Jim Roelofs)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
Message-ID: <062520071412.2594.467FCD5A0005333D00000A222200735446ABB7BDBAAAB4BD@comcast.net>

I was his instructor - I second.

Jim Roelofs

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> 

> Heck with an email address like that he has to be okay, third. 
> 
> Cofrog at aol.com wrote: Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion. He went 
> thru drivers school 
> in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La Junta 
> in July. Any seconds? His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
> (mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) . 
> Dan Forgey 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 25 10:16:41 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:16:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nylatron Spacers for TR3 & TR4 Rocker Arms
Message-ID: <bcf.182e2da9.33b14469@cs.com>

Commercial Content:

If you are interested in a picture, look at eBay Item:

Item number:              170124440477  
    
Wont make you go measurably faster, but they are cool looking.

They also fit Ted Schumacher's Roller Rockers, btw.

Thanks

N197tr4 at cs.com


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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Mon Jun 25 20:29:37 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:29:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS
Message-ID: <cea.12a884df.33b1d411@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:59:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


> We ran Road America with a set of these ROCKER ARM SPACERS. Trial was very
> successful.
>
> Now have several sets available.
>
> Lighter weight than steel
> Closer tolerances than steel
> Lower cost than steel.
> Grey "marble" looks like metal
> Unconditionally guaranteed.
>
> $20/set to FoT including postage.
>
> One time offer to Triumph Lists.
>
> Available through Distibutors, soon.
>
> TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

>>>I would like some of those, please for my VItesse engine (same as GT6+)

BTW, the stainless steel Weber 40DCOE heat shields fitted very well, missing
all my headers etc.
>
> A.R.E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>
> N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal
>
> Thanks....

Best Regards,

Lion

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HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 25 20:36:52 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:36:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot]  TR6/GT6/Spitfire Rocker Arm SPACERS
Message-ID: <c6f.12047988.33b1d5c4@cs.com>

> TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

Joe,

I would like some of those, please for my VItesse engine (same as GT6+)

BTW, the stainless steel Weber 40DCOE heat shields fitted very well, missing
all my headers etc.
>
Leon,

I plan to start on them this week, for the Vittesse, GT6, and TR6.

Close to the same price as TR3/4...more spacers (5) but about the same amount 
of material cost.

Thanks for the feedback on the Weber heatshield fitment.

Joe

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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Mon Jun 25 22:15:51 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fenders
Message-ID: <3d40bfd3867e6a421053af71a168fb9d@wi.rr.com>

I received a message from a Vince DePalma regarding TR6 fenders.  Can 
Vince please contact me off-line as my e-mail responses keep coming 
back to me undeliverable?

Thanks,

Allen

Jody & Allen Washatko
N65 W5567 Columbia Road
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 375-6888


From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Jun 26 09:44:59 2007
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
Message-ID: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>

> Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is crap.

Check out 

	http://www.dimebank.com/monster/swish.cgi?query=paeco

and decide for yourself...


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jun 26 11:55:55 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:55:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
Message-ID: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
frame.   
 
Thanks
 
Jim Norlin


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 26 12:32:05 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <BAY115-F186006C71CDC3C5DEC70308C0B0@phx.gbl>

Amici,

I cannot speak for PAECO's other products, but I bought a set of short 
velocity stacks for the 3 DCOEs.  None of them fit; the OD-ID dimension 
varied by 5-15 thous between each stack, always too thick, and the depths of 
the stack throat varied by up to 50 thous, always too long.  Rather than 
returning them, I spent 4 hours milling them to size.

I hope that their other products are manufactured closer to spec.  Otherwise 
they will make Taiwanese repro parts look good.

Shane Ingate in Maryland

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 26 12:56:54 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:56:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
In-Reply-To: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8C9863AE61E4C65-146C-5753@webmail-da19.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>

> Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is 
crap.

Check out

    http://www.dimebank.com/monster/swish.cgi?query=paeco

and decide for yourself...

==AM==
...and seems I've been hearing mostly bad things about them since well 
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and useful) Monster List possible. ;-)

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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Tue Jun 26 15:06:46 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>

Stahl is the only way to go!
Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an 1147, but 
you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut out a 
portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth it. You 
will notice the difference.

Russ Moore

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers


> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
> frame.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Norlin
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 17:02:04 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:02:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>

I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
convention??
I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
Roadster Factory.
Thanks in Advance
Glenn
72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's


From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 17:08:08 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:08:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
In-Reply-To: <005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
Message-ID: <46819C58.80002@charter.net>

Russ Moore wrote:
> Stahl is the only way to go!
> Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an 1147, but 
> you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut out a 
> portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth it. You 
> will notice the difference.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
>> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
>> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
>> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
>> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
>> frame.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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>   
I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the 
dipstick tube as well.
Glenn
72 spit racer under construction


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Tue Jun 26 17:11:32 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
In-Reply-To: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>
References: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>
Message-ID: <46819D24.50305@141.com>

Hi Glenn!

We're RV camping, and I believe the Alexanders will be tent camping, at 
the French Creek State Park.  It was the closest overnight camping to 
the event, about 20 miles away, and rates were great!  To make 
reservations call 888/PA-PARKS. 

Hope to see you there!

Susan        :)


Glenn Franco wrote:
> I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
> convention??
> I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
> Roadster Factory.
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn
> 72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 26 17:45:11 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
	<46819C58.80002@charter.net>
Message-ID: <00f601c7b84c$0b9751c0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Dipstick -- on  mine the dipstick hole is tapped for a plug with a hex head 
that removes with a socket or wrench. Yeah, you don't want to check oil 
level with the headers hot (but I've done it -- carefully). That pretty well 
solves the interference item.

--Rocky Entriken

> I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the
> dipstick tube as well.
> Glenn
> 72 spit racer under construction
> _______________________________________________


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 26 19:45:28 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-shirt order
Message-ID: <BAY123-W5DC65CFC91147ED0576A6BA0A0@phx.gbl>

  Ok folks the FOT T-shirts are now being printed.  They might be ready to
ship by the end of next week. Starting next Monday July 2nd you need to
contact Ted Schumacher and arrange payment. You can contact Ted by phone at
419-384-3022 or email at tedtsimx at bright.net.  Thanks,Marty Sukey
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Tue Jun 26 19:46:36 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:46:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <4681C17C.4070103@141.com>

Hey everyone,

This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have 
been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner 
of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely 
caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for 
driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they 
missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something 
else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me 
the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his 
Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in 
on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and 
pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I 
didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.

***************************

With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday 
evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several 
months and now suffers no more. 
Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing 
through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens 
family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over 
the country including many from CVAR.
Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a 
legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a 
very long time.
Bob Green

****************************

R.I.P., Mike.  

Susan 


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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 26 23:46:52 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
References: <4681C17C.4070103@141.com>
Message-ID: <007401c7b87e$90819530$280fc548@RWKastner>

Just a wonderful great great guy.  I hope he is fitted  with a turbocharger
and  never loses another race.  He deserves to win  them all. We all have been
winners having been around him.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susan Kahler
  To: Fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:46 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett


  Hey everyone,

  This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have
  been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner
  of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely
  caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for
  driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they
  missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something
  else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me
  the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his
  Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in
  on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and
  pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I
  didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.

  ***************************

  With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
  Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday
  evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several
  months and now suffers no more.
  Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing
  through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
  Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens
  family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over
  the country including many from CVAR.
  Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a
  legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a
  very long time.
  Bob Green

  ****************************

  R.I.P., Mike.

  Susan


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 07:38:23 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <02E6633F.3694B8F4.00159EE9@cs.com>

Glad we (FoT) went to Hallett when we did. 

"Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

>Just a wonderful great great guy.  I hope he is fitted  with a turbocharger
>and  never loses another race.  He deserves to win  them all. We all have been
>winners having been around him.
>
>Never Be beaten by Equipment
>Kas Kastner
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Susan Kahler
>  To: Fot at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:46 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
>
>
>  Hey everyone,
>
>  This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have
>  been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner
>  of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely
>  caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for
>  driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they
>  missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something
>  else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me
>  the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his
>  Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in
>  on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and
>  pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I
>  didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.
>
>  ***************************
>
>  With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
>  Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday
>  evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several
>  months and now suffers no more.
>  Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing
>  through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
>  Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens
>  family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over
>  the country including many from CVAR.
>  Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a
>  legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a
>  very long time.
>  Bob Green
>
>  ****************************
>
>  R.I.P., Mike.
>
>  Susan
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 07:42:38 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:42:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <d68.a2caf2b.33b3c34e@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/26/2007 8:47:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 
spitfiresuz at 141.com writes:


> This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have 
> been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner 
> of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely 
> caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for 
> driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they 
> missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something 
> else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me 
> the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his 
> Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in 
> on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and 
> pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I 
> didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.
> 

Susan...

Sad indeed.  Only been to HALLETT once, but that was enough to make me aware 
that they sat on the Top Shelf of the club courses I've raced at.  They earned 
that position because of the 'we're all family' atmosphere they have.  I have 
never felt more welcome than I did at HALLET.  I live an hour and one half 
from ROAD AMERICA, and race there at least three times per year.  Of course, 
it's great.  I also make MID-OHIO and WATKINS GLEN each year.  All super 
circuits.  But there is a different, connected feeling one gets racing at the smaller, 
club venues like BLACKHAWK, GRATTAN, HALLETT and so on.  It comes from the 
people who own and run them, like Mike, his family, and their hands-on style.  
May he Rest in Peace, and may his family carry on.

Bill Dentinger
           


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 09:03:04 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:03:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <c30.15cac1b0.33b3d628@cs.com>

Glenn & FoT

I would like to tent camp at TRF, but I dont think Charles has shower 
facilities?

I may look for offsite commercial campsites, but prefer to locate at TRF.

Any ideas out there?

Will plan to camp at Brad & Susan's location at VTR...French Creek...and 
wonder if Don E. would consider this location, too.

Joe (A)


> I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
> convention??
> I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
> Roadster Factory.
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn
> 72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's
> 

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:11:04 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:11:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <bcd.d4a9054.33b3d808@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/27/2007 10:03:21 AM Central Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:


> I would like to tent camp at TRF, but I dont think Charles has shower 
> facilities?
> 
> 

That's ridiculous.  

I've known Charles for years, and he is always clean, fresh, and neat (albeit 
a little preppy by Wisconsin standards).

Bill (Damdinger)



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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 09:15:19 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:15:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
Message-ID: <000c01c7b8cd$fa216ed0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I am planning on being there with my GT6.  Any other Triumphs going to be
racing?
I'll be coming in Thurs afternoon.  Scott Janzen


From chasgee at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:23:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>

Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller 
Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look for the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it will be fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.

We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.

If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.

And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after Sunday's race!

See you there,

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 27 09:41:10 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:41:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
In-Reply-To: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <46828516.8000505@bradakis.com>

I plan on hanging out and making a pest of myself at various
times friday, saturday and sunday.  It should be a good time.

The weather will be hot and dry, afternoon temps in the upper
90s, if not 100.  Check http://www.ksl.com  for local weather
conditions.

I have not been out to the track yet this season, but I've heard
that there are issues with water rights.  What this means is that
the ground cover planned for LarryLand is not in place yet,
there is a lot of bare dirt area around the place.  That translates
to blowing dust.  Fun.

See you at the track!

mjb.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 27 09:49:33 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:49:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
References: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c7b8d2$c204dcd0$0301000a@Chowdown>

Man, I wish I could bring my TR3.  I'll see you guys there NEXT time for 
sure.  Have fun!
See y'all in Fontana.

~S Belfer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chasgee at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!


> Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller
> Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look 
> for the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it 
> will be fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.
>
> We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get 
> together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has 
> it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I 
> guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure 
> Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well and if you're lucky, 
> she'll sign one for you too.
>
> If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your 
> mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up 
> when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.
>
> And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after 
> Sunday's race!
>
> See you there,
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 09:57:54 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
In-Reply-To: <46828516.8000505@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <319455.91044.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Wow, I was feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't make the trip until I read Mark's weather update; now I'm feeling sorry for everyone including myself.
   
  Regardless of the weather and ground cover issues, I'm sure Ms. Peg will whip you bunch of sorry excuses into some type of respectable presentation.  Please keep those of us who are not making the trip informed.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
  I plan on hanging out and making a pest of myself at various
times friday, saturday and sunday. It should be a good time.

The weather will be hot and dry, afternoon temps in the upper
90s, if not 100. Check http://www.ksl.com for local weather
conditions.

I have not been out to the track yet this season, but I've heard
that there are issues with water rights. What this means is that
the ground cover planned for LarryLand is not in place yet,
there is a lot of bare dirt area around the place. That translates
to blowing dust. Fun.

See you at the track!

mjb.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 10:03:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:03:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <c45.18877ee7.33b3e46b@cs.com>

Jan & I do not want to take a shower with Charles, just use his facilities.


> That's ridiculous.  
> 
> I've known Charles for years, and he is always clean, fresh, and neat 
> (albeit a little preppy by Wisconsin standards).
> 
> Bill (Damdinger)
> 

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun 27 10:24:27 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <BAY102-W1086A08702B03AD88D9436900A0@phx.gbl>

See you there,  We leave tomorrow at dawn, to challenge (albeit weakly) the
Triumph Hoardes..........................Henry, Connor, Jake & Elva Courier>
To: FOT at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400> From:
chasgee at aol.com> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this
weekend!> > Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller >
Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look for
the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it will be
fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.> > We have a
few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get together Saturday
night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has it she's bringing that
stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I guess we'll have to put up with
him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book
for sale as well and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.> > If
you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your mind.?
I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up when you
arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.> > And don't
forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after Sunday's race!> >
See you there,> > Chuck Gee> Blacksmith Racing> Spitfire> > >
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 10:34:10 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:34:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <cfc.1302583e.33b3eb82@cs.com>

But it is a DRY HEAT...still sorry I can't make it.






> Wow, I was feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't make the trip until I 
> read Mark's weather update; now I'm feeling sorry for everyone including 
> myself.
>    
>   Regardless of the weather and ground cover issues, I'm sure Ms. Peg will 
> whip you bunch of sorry excuses into some type of respectable presentation.  
> Please keep those of us who are not making the trip informed.
> 
> 

   </HTML>


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 27 11:21:56 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:21:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thrillah at Millah
Message-ID: <20070627172156.1FAF7BBE47@bradakis.com>

Gee, I better get the air conditioning working again
in my little Civic.  No big deal, I just didn't the
compressor belt back on when I replaced the water pump
a while back.

Hmmm, maybe I'll look into renting a bigger car, something
that can haul a handful of folks into town for a beer run
or dinner at Tracks Brewery or some such.

mjb.


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Jun 27 11:18:37 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <20070627.111838.-218027.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

This should be a great weekend. I've heard mention that they will play
Grand Prix on the Jumbotron Saturday evening. The Full Strawberry Moon
will rise about 7:43 PM on Saturday as well, and should do so from a
clear horizon.
If any of you get too hot, pop into Race Control and say Hi and cool off
a bit.
I've been watching the Superbikes on the perimeter track, running in the
1:50s, averaging in the high 90s. They also confirm dust!
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
Bill

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400 chasgee at aol.com writes:
> Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller 
> Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, 
> please look for the large black three car hauler we brought to 
> Hallett last year - it will be fun to pit together.? We should be 
> there late Thursday afternoon.
> 
> We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne 
> get together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? 
> Rumor has it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as 
> well, so I guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good 
> times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well 
> and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.
> 
> If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to 
> change your mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy 
> to sign you up when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and 
> join in the festivities.
> 
> And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented 
> after Sunday's race!
> 
> See you there,
> 
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
> 
> 
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jun 27 16:49:31 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:49:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Michael R. Stephens Victory Circle
Message-ID: <4682E97B.7010602@141.com>

Hi everyone,

Here's another one from CVAR:

CVAR Members,

The Stephens Family has invited all to a July 4th celebration in 
Mike's honor at Hallett which will include fire works, food and great 
memories. 

One of Mike's dreams was a proper Victory Circle at Hallett and the 
Stephens Family want to make that happen in his name and in honor of 
his many years of looking out for his fellow racers.

A fund has been established for that purpose and donations are being 
accepted from fellow racers to construct the MICHAEL ROSS STEPHENS 
VICTORY CIRCLE at Hallett.

CVAR will donate $600.00 and is accepting donations from CVAR members 
that will be added to this figure. We are hoping for a nice number in 
memory of Mike and the entire Stephens family for all that they have 
meant to us over the years.

Please send your donations to our Treasurer;
John Gaudette
22210 Prince George Ln.
Katy, Texas  77449
We will keep this opportunity open until July Th.

It is the Corinthian thing to do.
Bob Green V.P. & Chief Steward
CVAR



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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 27 20:08:07 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
In-Reply-To: <46819C58.80002@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7b929$2bc077a0$2b24b348@blake1>

Has anyone used the Stahl TR4 header for the 3 or 4?

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:08 PM
To: Russ Moore
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Headers

Russ Moore wrote:
> Stahl is the only way to go!
> Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an
1147, but 
> you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut
out a 
> portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth
it. You 
> will notice the difference.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will
stay
>> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder
says I
>> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor
he's
>> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far
are
>> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below
the
>> frame.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Norlin
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I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the 
dipstick tube as well.
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Wed Jun 27 20:18:05 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:18:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day,
 TRF Summer  Party & VTR
Message-ID: <00b301c7b92a$9024e310$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts:

Wow a lot of discussion these past few weeks about events associated with our
cars and what's happening throughout Pennsylvania in early July. I'd like to
plug the early part of these events for those of you interested in
participating in the TRF Summer Party prior to VTR. Charles has written about
his Summer Party Plans which include one of the premier if not the most unique
Vintage Sports Car Races being held for it's 25th year.

It's the PVGP or the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, Here is a link to an
article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and a link to the PVGP Web page too.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07178/797518-100.stm
http://www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com/pvgp/site/default.asp

There is no cost for viewing this event but parking is not easy either. There
is a simple solution for that too and it's the 27th annual Western
Pennsylvania Triumph Association's British Car Day held on the Schenley Park
Golf Course overlooking the race track which winds it's way through the park
roads and adjoining city streets of the Oakland section of Pittsburgh. Oakland
is where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University are
located. For the entrance fee of $20.00 you get to park your British Car
(only) among the other BCD Entrants which in the past have totaled close to
400 cars. In addition to the races and BCD there are several other special
marque car shows both domestic and foreign. It's an overdose of the motoring
hobby.


Here is a link to the registration form and more information about WPTA's
BCD.

http://wptriumph.org/bcd/bcd2007.html

If you are planning to participate in the TRF Summer Party this is the main
Saturday event and it's one you don't want to miss. I encourage you to
register for BCD using the above link to the WPTA. You can register the day of
the show but it will cost a little more and may result in a delay entering the
show field. The fees are donated to the Charities of the PVGP and you can read
all about them on the PVGP web site.

I invite and hope to see many of you there.

Regards to all.
Jerry Van Vlack

PS if the links don't work for some reason write to me and I'll send them to
you on an individual basis.


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 27 20:55:04 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:55:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b8cd$fa216ed0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096844@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I'll be there--both Beaverun and PVGP are stops on the All Aluminum
tour.

Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
along a third testicle. Two just ain't enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8

I am planning on being there with my GT6.  Any other Triumphs going to
be racing?
I'll be coming in Thurs afternoon.  Scott Janzen
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 27 21:02:52 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day,
 TRF  Summer  Party & VTR
In-Reply-To: <00b301c7b92a$9024e310$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096845@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I'll be there with Peyote. I'd love to join the other Triumphs, but I
suspect an insufficient number of WPTA people have had recent tetanus
shots, so I'll just stick to the pits. Diane will have her Bentley
though--it's being stored in Pittsburg while we're doing this All
Aluminum tour thing. We should get her to wear her chauffeur hat and
drive us around.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:18 PM
To: Triumphs; FOT
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day, TRF
Summer Party & VTR

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts:

Wow a lot of discussion these past few weeks about events associated
with our cars and what's happening throughout Pennsylvania in early
July. I'd like to plug the early part of these events for those of you
interested in participating in the TRF Summer Party prior to VTR.
Charles has written about his Summer Party Plans which include one of
the premier if not the most unique Vintage Sports Car Races being held
for it's 25th year.

It's the PVGP or the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, Here is a link to an
article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and a link to the PVGP Web page
too.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07178/797518-100.stm
http://www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com/pvgp/site/default.asp

There is no cost for viewing this event but parking is not easy either.
There is a simple solution for that too and it's the 27th annual Western
Pennsylvania Triumph Association's British Car Day held on the Schenley
Park Golf Course overlooking the race track which winds it's way through
the park roads and adjoining city streets of the Oakland section of
Pittsburgh. Oakland is where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie
Mellon University are located. For the entrance fee of $20.00 you get to
park your British Car
(only) among the other BCD Entrants which in the past have totaled close
to 400 cars. In addition to the races and BCD there are several other
special marque car shows both domestic and foreign. It's an overdose of
the motoring hobby.


Here is a link to the registration form and more information about
WPTA's BCD.

http://wptriumph.org/bcd/bcd2007.html

If you are planning to participate in the TRF Summer Party this is the
main Saturday event and it's one you don't want to miss. I encourage you
to register for BCD using the above link to the WPTA. You can register
the day of the show but it will cost a little more and may result in a
delay entering the show field. The fees are donated to the Charities of
the PVGP and you can read all about them on the PVGP web site.

I invite and hope to see many of you there.

Regards to all.
Jerry Van Vlack

PS if the links don't work for some reason write to me and I'll send
them to you on an individual basis.
billb at bnj.com
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jun 28 06:57:29 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
Message-ID: <000a01c7b983$e232b0e6$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?

I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my least
favorite four letter word...

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Babcock"
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8

Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring


From simon at telephonestogo.ca  Thu Jun 28 07:59:58 2007
From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
Message-ID: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>

I enjoyed a brief meeting with Bill Babcock and the fabled Peyote at Mosport
last weekend, and enjoyed seeing the car in action.
I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the final
"e" in the car's name, and possibly he was placed in a rather tough class with
some much more modern machinery, but I think he and the Lotus 11 put on a good
show!

I was on the outside of Turn 3 for Peyote's  last race on Sunday afternoon,
and thought the car didn't sound quite right on the short chute down to Turn
4, hope I was wrong or that it was something minor.
Hope we'll see you back next year, Bill!
Simon.


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 28 08:17:36 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:17:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
In-Reply-To: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F13E70C3B81FC0056523EE2D2090@phx.gbl>

>I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the 
>final
>"e" in the car's name,

'Probably never heard it before... so he didn't know how to say it...

Afterall we're "serious racer here... no one would name a car in fun (like 
Ardent Alligator, Fitch's Bitch or Pooper) even if looked like it was 
designed by someone who was high on something.

Maybe he never heard of "magic mushrooms" either.

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jun 28 09:16:07 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
In-Reply-To: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096849@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

The class got a lot tougher after all the guys slower than me went home.
Peyote wasn't running as sweetly as normal. I have a nasty feeling I
should pull the head off and take a look, but I'll fiddle with
everything else before I finally bite the bullet and look for aluminum
smears.

Compression is good, engine turns easily, but its down on power and
stumbles after a lift. I'd usually say ignition, and maybe carburetion,
but I've worked on this car long enough to know it's probably in the
guts.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Simon Rasmussen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:00 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Mosport

I enjoyed a brief meeting with Bill Babcock and the fabled Peyote at
Mosport last weekend, and enjoyed seeing the car in action.
I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the
final "e" in the car's name, and possibly he was placed in a rather
tough class with some much more modern machinery, but I think he and the
Lotus 11 put on a good show!

I was on the outside of Turn 3 for Peyote's  last race on Sunday
afternoon, and thought the car didn't sound quite right on the short
chute down to Turn 4, hope I was wrong or that it was something minor.
Hope we'll see you back next year, Bill!
Simon.
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 09:27:45 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
Message-ID: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill DeWar, Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to help.? We could use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is scheduled for 2-4:30 pm Wed.

Let me know if you can help..

Thanks!!

Rich Rock
Pottstwon, PA
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 28 10:12:54 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:12:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

Sorry I can't be there to defend my FTD title from last year (in spite of
the fact that they didn't give me the plaque because I have Honda Power in
my Spit).

Joe C.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rikrock at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross


> Amici,
>
> For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill
DeWar, Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to
help.? We could use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday
afternoon and Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is
scheduled for 2-4:30 pm Wed.
>
> Let me know if you can help..
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Rich Rock
> Pottstwon, PA
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 11:38:45 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:38:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Axle Conversion
In-Reply-To: <cf5.ece055d.33b544b0@aol.com>
References: <cf5.ece055d.33b544b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0706281038k5e29d2d4h10925b0b1f2367a3@mail.gmail.com>

At this time, no -- but I do have a set of trailing arms that have Corvair
hub mods in them.  I was selling them to Charly Mitchel, but he decided they
were too "rough" for his needs.  They came of the TR250 race car I bought
and probably had not been used since the early eighites.  Also, for about
the cost of a corvair conversion, Goodparts now offers what I think is the
best solution  and that is a hub assembly with CV joints.  Cost is $799 a
side.
See
http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20

On 6/28/07, LOddTR at aol.com <LOddTR at aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Chuck,
>
> Craig Wensley passed on to me your documentation of the TR6 axle/hub
> conversion. Do you by chance supply these units for the feint of heart?
>
> Leo Oddi
>
>
>
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>



-- 
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 12:37:11 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
In-Reply-To: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C987CA79C857BA-284-4936@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com>

Apologies for the question marks in my original post.? I have no idea how they got in.

Rich Rock

-----Original Message-----
From: rikrock at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27 am
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross



Amici,

For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill DeWar, 
Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to help.? We could 
use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday afternoon and 
Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is scheduled for 2-4:30 pm 
Wed.

Let me know if you can help..

Thanks!!

Rich Rock
Pottstwon, PA
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 13:26:04 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross FTD
In-Reply-To: <003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
	<003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <8C987D14DA52F6C-1C58-4CE9@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com>

Joe, I feel your pain.? My Cortina-powered TVR won't be eligible either.? Too bad none of my Triumphs or my TR6-powered TVR are ready.??

 I'll have to disqualify myself regardless, since I'll be involved withh the design and setup of the course.? Oh well.? I may bring the car and take some runs anyhow.

In the meantime, let the speculatin' and trash-talkin'? begin ;-)

Rich Rock 
(who found no question marks in the text of this message before hitting "send")


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net; rikrock at aol.com
Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autocross



Sorry I can't be there to defend my FTD title from last year (in spite of
the fact that they didn't give me the plaque because I have Honda Power in
my Spit).

Joe C


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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun 28 15:06:28 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:06:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
References: <000a01c7b983$e232b0e6$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <019801c7b9c8$34e8d3a0$03fea8c0@remsec1>

I second the motion. I would have been there but for the poor judgement of a 
Sprite jockeyess last year on turn eight. The car is still in progress. I 
hope to have it back in time to run the September Mosport event and maybe 
VSCDA's event at MidOhio. I have boycotted MO for the past number of years 
after experiencing their jack booted security gestapo, being fleezed for 
motorhome parking in the mud, and being yelled at by morons. It's my 
understanding all has changed. From Bill Dentinger's description, their 
event is quite the opposite of my past experiences out there. Bill's word is 
good enough for me.
******
At Mosport, the whole combination of turns from 1 thru 5B is just fantastic. 
No other word for it. Turn 2 is said to have given a number of folks new 
found religion the first couple of times through.

The track is wonderful, the Canadian hosts are spectacular and the 
hospitality is top shelf. There's a whole different attitude north of the 
border and it's one I wish would return to some of the larger corporate 
sanctioning bodies here. That and the seat time is twice as much as some 
corporate held venues.

Russ Moore


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
Cc: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport


> Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
> adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?
>
> I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my least
> favorite four letter word...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Babcock"
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
>
> Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
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From BillB at bnj.com  Fri Jun 29 05:59:47 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:59:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
In-Reply-To: <019801c7b9c8$34e8d3a0$03fea8c0@remsec1>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096850@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I think there are religious experiences available every time you go
though turn two. I also agree about Canadian hosts, though I wouldn't
engourage the president of VSCDA to continue singing over the PA system.
Once through that odd version of "Roamin' in the Gloamin' is enough for
one year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Moore [mailto:rem9 at frontiernet.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Henry Frye; Bill Babcock
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport

I second the motion. I would have been there but for the poor judgement
of a Sprite jockeyess last year on turn eight. The car is still in
progress. I hope to have it back in time to run the September Mosport
event and maybe VSCDA's event at MidOhio. I have boycotted MO for the
past number of years after experiencing their jack booted security
gestapo, being fleezed for motorhome parking in the mud, and being
yelled at by morons. It's my understanding all has changed. From Bill
Dentinger's description, their event is quite the opposite of my past
experiences out there. Bill's word is good enough for me.
******
At Mosport, the whole combination of turns from 1 thru 5B is just
fantastic.
No other word for it. Turn 2 is said to have given a number of folks new
found religion the first couple of times through.

The track is wonderful, the Canadian hosts are spectacular and the
hospitality is top shelf. There's a whole different attitude north of
the border and it's one I wish would return to some of the larger
corporate sanctioning bodies here. That and the seat time is twice as
much as some corporate held venues.

Russ Moore


----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
Cc: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport


> Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
> adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?
>
> I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my
least
> favorite four letter word...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Babcock"
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
>
> Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 29 10:16:43 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Velocity Stacks
In-Reply-To: <cfe.11130e1c.33b68488@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F11A010172180FF6A9B61B28C080@phx.gbl>

Joe,

That sounds like a terrific idea, , and one that I would buy a new set.  It 
would be really cool if the horn radius was larger, much like the neato-SU 
horns:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=1257
It is important not to have stacks that bolt to the DCOE (like the previous 
link); they need to be a slide-in fitting because that is what holds the 
choke in place.  Alternately, a 2-piece stack could be made - a collar that 
holds the choke in place, and then the radiused horn.

There are a couple of subtleties that you should be aware of.  The K&N 
filter bases do not have wide enough holes for the stacks to fit.  At least 
with the PAECO stacks that I have, there is a collar on the stacks that are 
for the screw-on tabs to hold the stack in place; this collar prevents the 
K&N filter base from seating correctly.  I enlarged the holes in the base 
plate to accommodate the collar.  I can take a photo of this if my 
description has you confused.

Here is another idea for you.  How about an airbox for triple DCOEs?  
Richard Good has them for his Stromberg/SU manifolds, but not Webers, so the 
market appears open right now.

Great stuff Joe, keep the products coming!

Shane

http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=4

----Original Message Follows----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: hottr6 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO....now Joe's Velocity Stacks
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:51:36 EDT

sometime this year, I'd like to expand my offerings of velocity stacks and a
new product that allow the adaptation of a variety of K & N Filters to
Strombergs & SU.

I hope to do them in stainless steel with laser welding of the 
circumference.

whaddya think?  Joe

 > Amici,
 >
 > I cannot speak for PAECO's other products, but I bought a set of short
 > velocity stacks for the 3 DCOEs.  None of them fit; the OD-ID dimension
 > varied by 5-15 thous between each stack, always too thick, and the depths 
of
 > the stack throat varied by up to 50 thous, always too long.  Rather than
 > returning them, I spent 4 hours milling them to size.
 >
 > I hope that their other products are manufactured closer to spec.  
Otherwise
 > they will make Taiwanese repro parts look good.
 >
 > Shane Ingate in Maryland
 >
 >

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jun 29 21:59:08 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:59:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Initial report
Message-ID: <4685D50C.2070309@bradakis.com>

The intention:   Sitting here at the keyboard after a nice shower to 
wash off the
sweat and dust and oil from an afternoon at the track, letting folks 
know how
things are going for the FOT gang at the Thriller at Miller.


The reality: Sitting here at the keyboard after a nice shower to wash 
off the
sweat and dust and oil from an afternoon of whacking on an immobile
Honda, working on getting it far enough to the side of the driveway to
let my wife move in and out of the garage without major hassle.  Cars
are easier to move if all four wheels are actually attached.


Coming home last night after a repair to yet another leaking coolant hose
I noticed that the steering in the little Civic seemed odd.  If it had power
steering, I would have stopped and checked the belt and fluid level.  But
no power steering, I figured I'd check into it RealSoonNow.  Get to the
house, crank the wheel to make the turn into the drive, a loud BANG and
no further motion of the car.

Turns out the lower ball joint on the right front corner decided to fall
apart. Not too bad, I initially thought it would be an expensive
rebuild of the gearbox.  So the little black car might be on the road
again soon.

Tomorrow ( saturday morning )  I pick up a rental car and head out to
the track.  so maybe 24 hours or so from  this writing I may actually
be doing a report on the FOT at  Miller.  Or I'll be sucking down yet
another cold one in someone's air conditioned motor home listening
to tales of the way the world should have behaved that day!

mjb.


From dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 29 22:16:28 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [DCTRA] You got to take a look at this site!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
Message-ID: <20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Very Cool.  Especially since Joe Curry's very nice Spit is featured 
on the TR page

At 08:11 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Would you believe a 350 or a 408 V8 would fit in a Spitfire?  Or these
>engines in a TR6, well check out this site!!!!!!!!
>
>http://www.britishv8.org/index.htm
>
>Rich
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 29 22:19:21 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:19:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [DCTRA] You got to take a look at this site!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <20070630042055.SGLQ22777.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Very Cool.  Especially since Joe Curry's very nice Spit is featured 
on the TR page

At 08:11 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Would you believe a 350 or a 408 V8 would fit in a Spitfire?  Or these
>engines in a TR6, well check out this site!!!!!!!!
>
>http://www.britishv8.org/index.htm
>
>Rich
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 30 10:25:47 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:25:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Bronze & Delrin Rear Spring Shackle Kit-TR3 / TR4 solid axle.
Message-ID: <bfb.19dfe2a1.33b7de0b@cs.com>

FOT:

For the last several months I have been playing around with a kit for the 
rear spring shackles.  In 1992 I used bronze for the bushing material for #197. I 
used it again for the AMBRO build. 

I wasnt very proud of the thrust washers used in my kit, thus didnt really 
say much about it. Now I have Delrin Spacers precision machined out of solid bar 
stock.....

I am now happy with the kit. see eBay auction:      Item number: 170126870246   

Read a testimonial from a street guy...and see the picture of the pieces and 
assembly. If you think it is for you, let me know...will sell direct....or 
delete now.

Thanks....Joe A
    
    



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From MDunst at coh.org  Thu Jun 28 13:56:41 2007
From: MDunst at coh.org (Dunst, Mordecai)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:56:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hooray
Message-ID: <B71FC19AE77F854F98B2B6A51554C6F70149608C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>

Cranks are done.  I am away to the miller event and unable to complete transaction until I return.

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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 06:33:40 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:33:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c7a409$2d9d8f70$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>

Cool!


That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From charly at mitchelplumbing.com  Fri Jun  1 06:59:03 2007
From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 05:59:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>

Greg, this is the greatest week of the year (in my opinion), the following 
week there is another historic race in Portland 
http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ , This makes for a great week of racing. 
It is also a 3 day event and Bill Babcock has done a lot to increase the non 
Racing fun as well.
Charly Mitchel
TR6 #44
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To: <jibjib at att.net>; <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!


> Cool!
>
>
> That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!
>
> Greg
>
> Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois
>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Fri Jun  1 08:29:02 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR 3  Emergency Brake Handle
In-Reply-To: <d36.90ef40c.3390c9c8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <277341.1047.qm@web81215.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gary: Give me a couple of hours to check my stuff and I'll email you back. I have a good feeling about it. Thanks - Ed

AA00727 at aol.com wrote:  Any TR-3 racers have an Emergency Brake handle laying around that is in good 
shape? I'm restoring a TR for the street.
Gary Blihovde 



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From billb at bnj.com  Fri Jun  1 10:36:32 2007
From: billb at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:36:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
	<034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>
Message-ID: <7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>

Actually it's the CRC over labor day that I got involved with, but I  
agree that this week is the best one for vintage racing in the  
Northwest. I won't be here this year or course, but because the  
Pacific Northwest Historics and the Portland Historics are just a  
week apart we get a lot of really great cars that otherwise stay at  
their home tracks.

Have a great time. If you need some suggestions for great  
restaurants, brewpubs, or places to be please feel free to ask. The  
Rose festival starts today, next week is fleet week, the tall ships  
are already here, moored down along front ave. If you're coming the  
end of June the parades and stuff will be pretty much over, but some  
Rose Festival activities pretty much run until July http:// 
www.rosefestival.org/events/. When you get to Portland be sure to go  
up to the Rose Gardens, the Arboretum and Japanese gardens. Grab a  
picnic lunch from Elephant's deli on 22nd and Burnside before you go-- 
spectacular food and an amazing place all by itself.

Bill Babcock
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On Jun 1, 2007, at 5:59 AM, Charly Mitchel wrote:

> Greg, this is the greatest week of the year (in my opinion), the  
> following
> week there is another historic race in Portland
> http://www.portlandhistorics.com/ , This makes for a great week of  
> racing.
> It is also a 3 day event and Bill Babcock has done a lot to  
> increase the non
> Racing fun as well.
> Charly Mitchel
> TR6 #44
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <greenman62 at hotmail.com>
> To: <jibjib at att.net>; <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
>
>
>> Cool!
>>
>>
>> That's when MY vacation in Portland begins!
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois
>>
>> That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...
>>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun  1 11:20:45 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 13:20:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] North to Alaska & The Pacific Northwest-Most of June
Message-ID: <c7b.11f9b714.3391af6d@cs.com>

List:

If in the unlikely event anyone is looking for us, we will be departing 
shortly for Alaska. We return to the Pacific Northwest (Seattle first) on the 20th 
of June.

Two nights in Seattle is planned. Likely somewhere near the city for some 
rambling around, before flying back to midwest. (I think we leave about the time 
than Uncle Jack arrives)

I will likely have access to email from time to time, but under the 
circumstances, my new bride might find it an unecessary diversion.

Joe (A)

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From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  1 14:55:31 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cadillac-Triumph
Message-ID: <BAY130-F199F7A9F1238FD655D3F7CA52C0@phx.gbl>

Who was looking for info on a Cad-Triumph? I came across an entry in a 
program for Iowa City Airport Races, 1954. But can't attach it, of course. 
Doesn't say, but I imagine it's a Roadster.

John H.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jun  1 16:03:10 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 18:03:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Cadillac-Triumph
Message-ID: <bf6.15654ef2.3391f19e@cs.com>

It resided in Hudson, Iowa, for a long time...that's a few miles from me.  I 
might be able to locate the guy who had it. I think he still lives there.

It was like a Mayflower or something....

Do you have a copy that you could send of the entry?

Joe A

> 
> Who was looking for info on a Cad-Triumph? I came across an entry in a 
> program for Iowa City Airport Races, 1954. But can't attach it, of course. 
> Doesn't say, but I imagine it's a Roadster.
> 
> John H.
> 

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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jun  1 18:01:17 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:01:17 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Pacific Northwest!!!
In-Reply-To: <7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>
References: <BAY115-F387F55176FEAF18DF45B4D22C0@phx.gbl>
	<034101c7a44c$a1c99180$0502a8c0@desktop>
	<7A45C9C3-A8B3-402F-9AAF-075E67AD38FC@bnj.com>
Message-ID: <4660B34D.4070200@pobox.com>

Speaking of food in Seattle, does the North Lake Tavern (north side of 
Lake Union) still exist?  They always had the best pizza in town.
Larry Young


From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jun  2 01:05:01 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:05:01 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
References: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4661169D.5070402@bradakis.com>

There's a pretty good chance that I'll be there, not as an entrant, though.
I'll just be one of the annoying pests rambling through the pits.  I do have
an urge to do something, maybe haul my smoker out there and cook up
a mess of pulled pork, or maybe beef brisket or some such for one of the
evening get togethers.

As for cars,  unlikely I'll have all my parts neatly inventoried by then,
but if something unfortunate happens to one of the race cars I'll do my
best  to set it right.  And the shop is only about a 45 minute drive from
the track.  I'm not adverse to an all night wrenching marathon, given
the proper lubricant.

I'm certainly looking forward to the event.

mjb.


From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Sat Jun  2 11:32:49 2007
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:32:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] no (lbc)
Message-ID: <001e01c7a53c$0b17fa10$6501a8c0@alex>

Does any one know the manufacture of the very large styro-foam blocks that
Watkins Glenn places around the track for thier version of a soft wall  These
blocks are in the range of 3' X 2' X 6'  thanks   rob


From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  2 12:09:16 2007
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <005101c7a541$22f1fcd0$609aed45@yourf78bf48ce2>

My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive to
Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.


From janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  2 12:09:16 2007
From: janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net (janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:09:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <005101c7a541$22f1fcd0$609aed45@yourf78bf48ce2>

My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive to
Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Jun  2 12:16:59 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 14:16:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Miller/Portland Vacation
Message-ID: <be0.146696ed.33930e1b@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2007 11:09:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
janbarker888 at sbcglobal.net writes:


> 
> 
> My plans are to run The Thriller at Miller on June 30 and July 1 then drive 
> to
> Oregon and run the HMSA race at Portland on July7&8. Hope to see everybody
> there. Jerry Barker 1963 Triumph Herald.
> 

Damn Jerry, that's too cool and very ambitious.  Then the next weekend you'll 
be at Cal Speedway, right?  Can someone do a walk-in entry at Portland?  
Steve


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From henry at henryfrye.com  Sat Jun  2 13:46:11 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:46:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP....East Coast Kastner
 Cup..Decision Time!!!
In-Reply-To: <00e301c7a220$0f530260$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F911@server.Triumph.local>

I just got back from vacation and saw this, nice try Jeff.

Ya can't railroad me into this one...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Snook
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Watkins Glen 2008 Zippo GP

> I'm in, but can't help with any organizing.
>
> I nominate Henry Fry, since he is an East Coast guy and lives
> close to the track!


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  3 19:12:34 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 21:12:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Next to last call for FOT t-shirts
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12D6118C66864908B106E5BA210@phx.gbl>

OK folks. We are nearing the end of the order time for t-shirts. Minimum order
is 72 shirts and we only have 57 so far. I replied to each order email so if
you did not get a confirmation email from me I did not get your order.So if
you are thinking about an order for shirts better get it in now.Marty
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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Sun Jun  3 20:19:00 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 19:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Meet us at Miller    -  Miller Motorsports Park-UTAH
In-Reply-To: <c28.14188639.338de7ad@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000701c7a64e$b7c96ec0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I was sure hoping to make it to what sounds like a great event at a
wonderful track.  However, 3 weeks ago, my equipment didn't just beat me, it
gave me a thorough thrashing.  I fired my engine builder (me) and am going
with a pro.  It's highly unlikely that the new engine will be done in time
to make Miller.

It's really a shame since I was looking forward to not only racing at a new
facility with a new group of folks, but mainly getting to know some of the
FOT group.  My car is the only Triumph that routinely races in the Oregon
Region vintage group.  We end up pitting with all the Spridget guys and I
think some bad Juju is rubbing off on the Spitfire.

Maybe next year.

Jim Norlin


From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sat Jun  2 16:59:37 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 00:59:37 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
References: <007001c7a163$f0f3c410$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<005901c7a19b$cb4e2f10$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<003a01c7a1b6$bd6b63c0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<000401c7a1e8$4a5d46a0$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <004501c7a569$b2f79e70$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've fired up the engine today and the alternator is charging 20 amps...
Only the warning lamp isn't connected at the moment.

Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator


> Here's what I found at this link, which does not seem to be working any
> more - good thing I printed it out - "Light - when the alternator is
> running, this terminal puts out a charging voltage.  It is usually wired
> through an incandescent light which has 12V switched at the other end.  When
> the alternator is charging, there is 12 V at both ends so the light does not
> turn on.  When the alternator is not charging for some reason, there is 12V
> coming from the  ignition side but low voltage or ground at the alternator
> side and the light will turn on"
> I don't know why you got 5 amps in your situation.
>
> www.davisengineering.net/spitaltupgrade.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> Thank you for this explanation.
> is the trouble light connector at the alternator (+) and the lamp has to be
> the ground side?
>
> Does this alternator consume -5 Amps when the engine is not spinning?
>
> Cheers
> Chris
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
> To: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
>
>
> > Steve Smith sent me wiring instructions for the one I just installed,
> > which
> > worked great over the past weekend. The large terminal with the threaded
> > nut
> > takes a (fat - I ran 8 gauge) wire straight to the battery.  This
> > alternator
> > also has a receptacle for ana electricical plug from the Chevy Sprint
> > wiring
> > harness - there are three spade connections within the receptacle.  One
of
> > those needs to be connected to the ignition circuit, so that when the
> > ignition is on, the alternator's built-in regulator is recieving a signal
> > to
> > tell it to charge.  When looking at the connections, the three blades form
> > a
> > "U", with two blades parallel and one perpendicular across the bottom of
> > the
> > "U".  Connect the power source to the blade on the right side of the U
and
> > it should work fine.  The bottom one is not used, and the left one can be
> > hooked up to a trouble light - if the light is on your alternator is not
> > charging.  At one point I had a link to another site that explained why
> > this
> > works, but can't find it now.  I did not use it, in any case.  If your
> > friend is running autocross or hillclimbs, for less load on the engine
> > just
> > pull the wire off the blade connection - the alternator is no longer
being
> > told to charge - no 45 amp drain on the engine power and your car runs
off
> > the battery for a little while- plenty to power the ignition for an hour
> > or
> > so.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> > To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 4:08 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Sprint Alternator
> >
> >
> > > Hi @ all,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if I get through to Paul so I try over FOT.
> > > But maybe anyone else have some advice to wire a Sprint alternator to
> > > the
> > > car?
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chris
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" <chris at tr4-racing.de>
> > > To: "Paul & Glenna " <smockracer at charter.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 11:32 AM
> > > Subject: Sprint Alternator
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello Paul,
> > >
> > > I'm Chris from Germany.
> > > I have freshly installed a Sprint alternator to my car (as mentioned at
> > > Kas
> > > book) but don't know how to do the wiring.
> > > If I connect switched battery (+) to IG of the alternator the
> > > amperemeter
> > > shows -5A.
> > >
> > > What trick is needed to install the alternator?
> > > At the moment I have two wires there....a thick and a thin.
> > > The thin is connected with the warning lamp and connected the switched
> > > (+).
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > PS: Thanks in advance for help.
> > >
> > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name
> > > of
> > > 5575-DSCN2074.JPG]
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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Jun  4 09:33:16 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:33:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller - Kastner Cup 2007!
Message-ID: <8C974D4CE2075FC-1DD4-D90@WEBMAIL-RA14.sysops.aol.com>

Hello everyone,

The Thriller at Miller is less than 1 month away amnd it looks like the event
is shaping up nicely!B  Here's the list of entrants to date:











Chuck Gee

Spitifre



Mike Bruner

TR4



Mordy Dunst

TR4



Steve Smith

GT6



Ken Gillanders/Preston Kaenel

TR3



Paul Smock

TR4



Bob Miller

TR3A



Dennis DeLap

TR4



Chuck Arnold

TR5



Joe Alexander

TR4/Ambro?



John Frymark

TR4



Dean Tetterton

Warwick GT



Jerry Barker

Herald





I hope some more of the FOT from the midwest can make it, we did try to make
the west coast venue as far east as possible.

Here are more details regarding the venue and the race:


Entry Fees:

$450 for all Three Days, $50 2nd Car, same driver

$350 Sat, Sun Only

$50 Touring session during lunch B( Pay at track.

B 

Race Entry Fee Includes:

Friday Night Driversb Reception Party, with Live Music!
Saturday Night Dinner, Club House
Sunday Awards Party s Awards for Top Three Class Winners in the Feature

B 

World Class Race Facility is bDisneyland for Racersb

Grand Prix Garages feature air conditioning and Speed Channel TV!

For garage rental rates and reservations, call 1-866-297-2636.

RV Paddock Parking features showers and electrical hookups!

$26.50 per day, RV parking B( Electrical hook-up, $30 per weekend B( RV Dump
on site

Race Fuel will be available at the track.

Tire Support available, Topless Performance, 877-728-0914

Order tires by June 21, 2007 to have the freshest rubber available.

Additional Accommodations:

Best Western Inn, 1.800.448.5010 , 365 N. Main, Tooele, Utah

The American Inn & Suites, 435-882-6100, 491 S. Main St., Tooele, UT

The Hampton Inn, 435-843-7700, 461 S. Main St., Tooele, UT

B 

Truck wash available, Blue Beacon Truck Wash, Exit 99 of I-80.


More info will be posted on the FOT site shortly.

When you get to the track, look for the large three car trailer we brought to
Hallett.B  That will be FOT headquarters.B  It would be great if we could all
pit together and we'll make every effort to do so.B  Kas and Peg will be there
with us and we'll have a few surprises as well.B  Mark Bradakis has even
volunteered to barbeque, so there will be good times!

If you haven't done so already, please register.B  The entry form can be found
here:

http://vararacing.com/Overall1.html


Thanks and hope to see you all there!

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jun  4 20:37:29 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 02:37:29 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Southwick Axle bearings
Message-ID: <20070604.193811.22570.325271@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Does anyone have the bearing number or know what vehicle the bearings fit for
the Southwick converted TR3/4 rear axles?  I have the number at home, but am
up in Maine for a few days and want to see if I can pick one up at an
autoparts store.  One seems to have a lot of play (did not get a chance to
measure it).  I had a problem with a lot of caliper knock-back (I have rear
discs too) a few weeks ago and finally got around to checking things before
hitting the road for the week (and forgot to take the # with me).  Had no
initial pedal going into the corners, but I also ran my fastest laps at Lime
Rock (1:00.98).  Guess I don't need so much brakes after all.
I have 6/1000 run-out in one rear hub flange (did not measure the end float,
but guessing it is over 20/1000").  That 6/1000 run-out at the hub is
translating to 12/1000 at the rotor.   I may also have a bent axle or
Southwick hub, but did not hit anything that may have caused that.  A few
weeks ago was my 1st time out this year and I did not have such problems last
year.  Later this week I can get the axle on centers and see better what is
going on, but want to be sure to have a bearing just in case.  Joe(B)


From henry at henryfrye.com  Tue Jun  5 05:35:48 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F926@server.Triumph.local>

I just added an update to the fot-racing.com website on The Thriller at
Miller!

Wish I was going...


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed Jun  6 19:03:50 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>

Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the 
manufacturer and are now available.

These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress 
to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent 
leaky intakes and exhaust headers.

Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.

And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.

uncle jack 



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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  6 20:01:19 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:01:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
In-Reply-To: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>

OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
are why I'm faster than last year?  :)

They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
these actually work.

- Tony Drews

At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
>manufacturer and are now available.
>
>These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
>to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
>leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
>
>Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
>
>And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
>
>uncle jack


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Wed Jun  6 20:08:43 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:08:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
In-Reply-To: <20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>
References: <200706070104.l5713xRY140980@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<20070607015926.E83F6187A15@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <466768AB.4080702@greenheart.com>

My silicone gaskets under the valve cover... Jack's manifold gaskets... 
head gaskets from Mordy... Before you know it... all these TR engines 
are going to implode from the inability to take a piss and mark their 
territories... It just ain't natural to plug 'em up like this! LOL...

: )

--Justin

Tony Drews wrote:

>OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
>installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
>exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
>are why I'm faster than last year?  :)
>
>They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
>these actually work.
>
>- Tony Drews
>
>At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
>  
>
>>Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
>>manufacturer and are now available.
>>
>>These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
>>to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
>>leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
>>
>>Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
>>
>>And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
>>
>>uncle jack
>>    
>>
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From aerodin at swbell.net  Wed Jun  6 21:51:32 2007
From: aerodin at swbell.net (T.R. Young)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:51:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats
Message-ID: <466780C4.5050204@swbell.net>

Top Secret as it is, Dad (Larry) is looking to get back into the saddle 
this fall. This is contingent on several things but among them is 
getting a proper seat in the car.

Ergo, the blow-moulded roller coaster job we have now won't hack it.

Among those we've tried, the Sparco EVO II seems to fit the human 
component(s) best however the lip on the bottom won't pass the tunnel. 
We are mounting this as close to the floor as possible based on 
respective heights. EVO II would correspond to a Large in Sparco I 
believe. It's a narrow cockpit. Has anyone out there found a good fit 
for larger drivers? It's basically a decision between Al and Fiberglas 
at this point. Would prefer fiber for the comfort/fit aspect and greatly 
appreciate suggestions as always.

Cheers,

-Tom


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  7 06:22:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:22:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <cb7.e5321ad.3399529f@cs.com>

No, we are talking reality here....We installed a set at Road America in 
desperation. Sean had spent literally HOURS at home trying to eliminate a MASSIVE 
manifold leak with unforgiving header. 

Simple installation trackside = 100% cure.

We expect to get more than one use out of them, with care, and I will never 
use anything else again.  Thanks Jack!

Joe (A)


> OK, not like I'm piling on or anything, but I have these gaskets 
> installed, and it's the first time since I've owned my car that the 
> exhaust header / manifold to head flange doesn't leak.  Suppose THOSE 
> are why I'm faster than last year?  :)
> 
> They may be more expensive than the standard gaskets out there, but 
> these actually work.
> 
> - Tony Drews
> 
> At 08:03 PM 6/6/2007, Jack W. Drews wrote:
> >Manifold gaskets for the TR2 - 4 series have been delivered by the
> >manufacturer and are now available.
> >
> >These are compacted graphite over a mesh core, 1/8" thick, compress
> >to half thickness on installation. Just the thing to totally prevent
> >leaky intakes and exhaust headers.
> >
> >Price $67 for one engine including shipping. 100% money back guarantee.
> >
> >And I promise to not bomb the list with this one again.
> >
> >uncle jack
> 

   </HTML>


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun  7 06:23:25 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD42@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
the TR7?

Scott B.


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  7 06:32:39 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD42@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F4BF9AEA5A7646E48209B6D2260@phx.gbl>

TR4 Wheel base   88.1ins
Track (front)        49
        (rear)          48

TR7 Wheel base   85 ins
Track (front/rear) 55.5

`Hope it helps

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
>
>Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
>the TR7?
>
>Scott B.
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jun  7 06:33:31 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:33:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]  RE:  TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F4BF9AEA5A7646E48209B6D2260@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DD43@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 Thanks, it does!

-----Original Message-----
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:33 AM
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] RE: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
Importance: Low

TR4 Wheel base   88.1ins
Track (front)        49
        (rear)          48

TR7 Wheel base   85 ins
Track (front/rear) 55.5

`Hope it helps

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] TR7 vs. TR4 track width?
>Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 07:23:25 -0500
>
>Anyone know off hand the difference in track width between the TR4 and
>the TR7?
>
>Scott B.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Thu Jun  7 06:35:31 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:35:31 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!!     David Hesse   Portage, WI
Message-ID: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>

FOT List:

Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now 
gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support on the build.

DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
    
The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to 
reciprocate.

Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.

David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jun  7 06:42:27 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:42:27 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
In-Reply-To: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>
References: <ca4.111d0a17.33995593@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20070607124036.922BA1879CC@autox.team.net>

Second!  Anyone daft (um, er, brilliant) enough to build another 
Ambro deserves our support.

- Tony Drews

At 07:35 AM 6/7/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>FOT List:
>
>Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now
>gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support 
>on the build.
>
>DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
>
>The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to
>reciprocate.
>
>Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
>
>David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
>
>Joe Alexander


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jun  7 07:15:46 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:15:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] manifold gaskets - commercial
Message-ID: <cd0.1070a456.33995f02@aol.com>

I've been using these on the GT6 for a while and they are good ones.  Last 
time around I sandwiched them between two layers of aluminum foil to see if they 
don't stick making reuse easier.  We'll see...

No, we are talking reality here....We installed a set at Road America in 
desperation. Sean had spent literally HOURS at home trying to eliminate a 
MASSIVE 
manifold leak with unforgiving header. 

Simple installation trackside = 100% cure.

We expect to get more than one use out of them, with care, and I will never 
use anything else again.  Thanks Jack!

Joe (A)




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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun  7 09:11:12 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:11:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Parts Needed
Message-ID: <8C9772D3855FC3E-15C4-BE34@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,B 

I'm looking for a 4.1 ring and pinion, a Locker or LSD, and a 1" (or so) front
anti-roll bar for a TR4.

If you have any orB  all of these parts to sell.....


Thanks!

Rich Rock
Pottstown, PA
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Thu Jun  7 11:57:58 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:57:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
Message-ID: <111825949.1181239078627.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>

Thank you for the nomination into the FoT.
My names David Hesse and I currently reside in Portage WI. I've been playing with British cars since I was 8 years old, so I guess it's been a 34 year love affair with these little beasts. I started by helping my father restore a 52 MGTD, which is still in the family. Other cars restored/worked on along the way include 69 Triumph GT6, various MGs, 59 Austin Healey 100/6, 67 Mustang convertible, Austin Healey H Production race car, MG Midget F Production race car, and a 58 Warwick Peerless. Currently have in the shop a 74 Mini, 73 MG Midget G Production racecar, 55 Austin Healey 100/4 (under restoration), and a 48 Ford Business Coupe (step son's street rod project). Plus, my new wife has a 35 Ford 5 window coupe street rod in the garage.
Now I'm embarking on the build of an Ambro. This started with Joe helping me to sell a TR3 engine and gearbox. We got to discussing projects and we began to talk about the Ambro. I'll be heading down to AR on June 22nd to pick up a TR4 rolling chassis in order to get started. Needless to say, I still have the engine and gearbox.
I like to drive and particularly race the cars I build. I've been part of the Madison Sports Car Club for years. That's where I started doing autox in a 73 MG Midget. Sold that car to buy a dedicated autox MG Midget. Ran that a couple of years and then stripped it to the shell and rebuilt it into an F Production racecar and went wheel to wheel racing with the Midwestern Council of Sports Car Clubs. Sold that car along the way and now have a 73 MG Midget GP car.
Once the Ambro is completed, I'll be joining the ranks of the VSCDA and SVRA to race with them. The initial goal is to have the car ready for the VSCDA's Spring Break Driver's school weekend. Hopefully with the help of a few friends we'll meet that goal.
Professionally I'm an IT worker. I work for the State of Wisconsin and support the state's data communications infrastructure.
Thanks and see you all at the tracks.
David Hesse
Portage, WI


---- Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:

=============
Second! Anyone daft (um, er, brilliant) enough to build another
Ambro deserves our support.

- Tony Drews

At 07:35 AM 6/7/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>FOT List:
>
>Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now
>gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support
>on the build.
>
>DAVID HESSE d.hesse at charter.net
>
>The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to
>reciprocate.
>
>Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
>
>David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
>
>Joe Alexander


From gp89 at charter.net  Thu Jun  7 15:45:06 2007
From: gp89 at charter.net (gp89 at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:45:06 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination to the Fot List!!!! David Hesse Portage, WI
Message-ID: <1006255106.1181252706200.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

  I have known David as long as I have been a member of the Midwestern Councill. I would gladly second the nomination! Welcome to the dark side David.
  Jeff Senty
 gp89blue
--- N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: 
> FOT List:
> 
> Long time Sprite & Mini guy....is now embarking on an AMBRO Build. Now 
> gathering components, for ARE-003, and may wish to have some support on the build.
> 
> DAVID HESSE       d.hesse at charter.net
>     
> The FoT can be of great service to him, and I think he will be able to 
> reciprocate.
> 
> Please "second" his Nomination and welcome him into the FOT.
> 
> David, it is customary to introduce yourself with a thumbnail bio.
> 
> Joe Alexander   </HTML>
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From a.r.gibson at bigpond.com  Fri Jun  8 18:36:29 2007
From: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com (Andrew Gibson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:36:29 +1000
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats
In-Reply-To: <466780C4.5050204@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20070609003635.CZKB17816.oaamta08sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>

Tom
Cobra Clubman (UK) fit the car,---could not guarantee the bum!
Andrew Gibson

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of T.R. Young
Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 1:52 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seats

Top Secret as it is, Dad (Larry) is looking to get back into the saddle 
this fall. This is contingent on several things but among them is 
getting a proper seat in the car.

Ergo, the blow-moulded roller coaster job we have now won't hack it.

Among those we've tried, the Sparco EVO II seems to fit the human 
component(s) best however the lip on the bottom won't pass the tunnel. 
We are mounting this as close to the floor as possible based on 
respective heights. EVO II would correspond to a Large in Sparco I 
believe. It's a narrow cockpit. Has anyone out there found a good fit 
for larger drivers? It's basically a decision between Al and Fiberglas 
at this point. Would prefer fiber for the comfort/fit aspect and greatly 
appreciate suggestions as always.

Cheers,

-Tom
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jun  9 05:59:20 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 04:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
Message-ID: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
          Can anyone help with the name and details of a TR3/4 chassis manufacture in the states please? 

Regards Jim


      
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sat Jun  9 06:30:01 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 07:30:01 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
In-Reply-To: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <949743.38705.qm@web51807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200706091230.l59CUA6B228724@ns3.geneseo.net>

Take a look at

www.rat-co.com

I find it borderline unbelievable that anybody would set up an such 
an excellent manufacturing facility to make a product for such a 
niche market -- but he's the real thing, making a superb quality 
product. He makes TR2 - 3 - 4 - 4A - 250-6. There must be a bigger 
demand than I imagined.


At 06:59 AM 6/9/2007, Jim Cun wrote:
>Hi all,
>           Can anyone help with the name and details of a TR3/4 
> chassis manufacture in the states please?
>
>Regards Jim
>
>
>
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>
>
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From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au  Sat Jun  9 06:32:30 2007
From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 05:32:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Chassis
Message-ID: <520142.1094.qm@web51810.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks Henry that's who I was after!

Jim


----- Original Message ----
From: Henry Frye <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: Jim Cun <jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, 9 June, 2007 10:28:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Chassis


http://rat-co.com/

Jim,

I had a nice conversation with Tony, (the owner) it seemed to me he is
selling a very nice project.

I had just ripped one side of the front suspension out of my TR4 racer
and was looking at options. I didn't go that route, I had my frame
fixed.

One item of note, he is using a different size frame rail than Coventry
did. Probably not a big deal with the racer crowd, but a real downer for
the shiner crowd looking to 400 point concours restoration!

Cheers

Henry Frye
Triumph Technology Consultants
860.653.3118 (o) - 860.508.3118 (m) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net 
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim Cun
> Sent: June 09, 2007 7:59 AM
> To: Friends of Triumph
> Subject: [Fot] Chassis
> 
> Hi all,
>           Can anyone help with the name and details of a 
> TR3/4 chassis manufacture in the states please? 
> 
> Regards Jim
> 
> 
>       
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Sat Jun  9 18:13:56 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:13:56 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
Message-ID: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>

Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've got 
about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve



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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Sat Jun  9 20:38:35 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 22:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum 
1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works perfect. 
If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and screw 
them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount is 
a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to 
the inner roof sill.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've 
> got
> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
>
>
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From chris at tr4-racing.de  Sun Jun 10 02:50:46 2007
From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 10:50:46 +0200
Subject: [Fot] Tappet talk
References: <01cc01c7962e$33208620$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9><4655ABA5.2010601@pobox.com>
	<002501c79e16$ed2f7d10$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>
	<020501c79e49$2bcd1410$280fc548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <001b01c7ab3c$70c9f6a0$6e01a8c0@e1c3z9>

I've added a conclusion on my forum with some photos about my investigations.

http://www.tr4-racing.de/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41#41


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Sun Jun 10 06:43:19 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 07:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] wow
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I'm impressed.

Wonderful picture of the Forever Young yellow TR3 on the cover of Victory Lane.

Congratulations!

uncle jack 



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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Sun Jun 10 14:47:22 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:47:22 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
	<007501c7ab08$71f46a80$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>
Message-ID: <002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Keep new rule in mind -- disconnected net must fall down, over door (not up, 
over roof).

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
To: <Gt6steve at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Window nets?


>I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum
> 1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works 
> perfect.
> If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and 
> screw
> them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount 
> is
> a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to
> the inner roof sill.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
>
>
>> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
>> got
>> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
>>
>>
>>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jun 10 14:50:29 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:50:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
In-Reply-To: <002301c7aba0$8e273640$6601a8c0@S1099895562>
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
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Another mounting tip: if at all possible, the net should connect to 
the roll bar, not the car body.

In my rollover, the window net, which was attached to the drivers 
door and the roof of the car, was totally ineffective.  Only my death 
grip on the steering wheel prevented bad things from occurring.  When 
the car stopped, the door was opened against the front fender, and 
the roof was flapping in the wind.  Not a bad idea to do arm 
restraints in addition to the window net.

- Tony

At 03:47 PM 6/10/2007, Rocky Entriken wrote:
>Keep new rule in mind -- disconnected net must fall down, over door (not up,
>over roof).
>
>--Rocky Entriken
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bob" <rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com>
>To: <Gt6steve at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 9:38 PM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Window nets?
>
>
> >I used the Miata windowo net from Safe Quipe and made a couple of aluminum
> > 1/4" "U" shaped brackets that monted to the inside door sill. Works
> > perfect.
> > If you dodn't want make make your own get a couple drawer handles and
> > screw
> > them to the sill. The Miata net has long adjustable straps. The top mount
> > is
> > a spring loaded bar with two aluminum bracates at either end that rivet to
> > the inner roof sill.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Gt6steve at aol.com>
> > To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:13 PM
> > Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
> >
> >
> >> Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
> >> got
> >> about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Sun Jun 10 16:13:14 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:13:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Transport
Message-ID: <974540.48425.qm@web81204.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Friends: My son just bought a car out of Phoenix, Arizona and is trying to arrange transport of it to the DFW area of TX. Are there any listers coming this way from that area that would like to earn some extra income? I haven't started calling around to any transport companies yet. Thought I'd give the list a shot first. Thanks - Ed


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Mon Jun 11 06:10:53 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:10:53 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DFC6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.  Lots of
head scratching and no racing.

Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296 Spitfire
motor is at 55-57 deg advanced.  I'm not typically in the habit of
disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to think at
this point.  The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of advance, let
alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.

Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?

Is it possible that 3 timing lights are simultaneously wrong, but all
give the same erroneous reading?  They're all the type with the dial on
the butt end - we need that since the earlier Spitfire has just a narrow
single pointer at the pulley, not a broad pointer with 25 or 30 degrees
marked on each side of zero.

1.   The car runs when the timing lights say it's at 57 degrees of
advance and it WON'T run (will barely idle and is non-responsive to
throttle inputs) when it's set back to 30 degrees of advance according
to the timing lights.

2.  When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the rotor is pointing JUST past
the position for the #1 plug wire (nowhere close to the 30 degr.  or so
past which it would be if the timing was actually 57 degrees advanced).

3.  The distributor drive gear appears to be in the correct position.
When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the drive gear is pointing
3:30-9:30, with the wider side of the slotted gear "down" (towards your
knees as you're sitting on the tire, cursing and mumbling to yourself
because you were just certain this was going to be the answer).  It
looks just like the picture in the manual.

4.  We also did the "set the timing by ear" thing, where you run the
car, rotate the distributor to advance the timing as the revs pick up
until it starts to stumble a bit, then rotate it back to retard the
timing until it quits stumbling and the revs drop just a bit.  The car
runs best when the timing is set there.  Checked with the timing lights
-- you guessed it -- 57 deg advance.

5.  Watching the rocker arms move up and down, the openings and closings
look right for the cam specs -- no dial indicator in the track boxes,
but the movements are at least approximately in the right place and
concentric-ish around TDC.

6.  As a further check on the cam installation, we measured the distance
before TDC on the crank pulley at which the intake starts to open.
Intake is supposed to open at 19 deg BTDC at 0.050" lift off the seat.
On a 4.75" pulley that should be a little more than 3/4 of an inch on
the rim of the pulley when the valve has just started to go down
(measured by eye on the valve and with a carpenter's tape measure on the
pulley -- yeah, we're gettin' reeeeeaaal scientific here)   (4.75 *
3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 19 = 0.798 inches).  It looked to be in
approximately the right spot, or at least as close as you can check with
no dial indicator to see when you're at 0.050" of lift and using a steel
tape measure on a round pulley.

7.  And using the same extremely scientific methods, we looked to see
that the distributor rotor was pointing approximately at #1 plug wire
location when the pointer was just about 0.5 inches before TDC #1 firing
(18 degrees of mechanical advance in the Mallory so 12 deg static
advance).  (4.75 * 3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 12 = 0.497 inches).

What the heck am I missing here?  Can the timing actually be at 30 deg
adv, while the timing lights are saying it's at 60-ish?  And if that's
possible, how?  what would cause it?

Scott B.


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jun 11 06:32:24 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 07:32:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: Re:  Bad Time
Message-ID: <20070611123027.A5405187AC6@autox.team.net>

I recently found the same thing, and have stopped using the dial back 
timing light.  I put an extra mark on my pulley at 30 degrees.

In my case, the cause is an ignition system that sends and extra 
(unneeded) spark to each cylinder during the exhaust stroke.

This causes an actual advance of 28 degrees to appear to be well over 
50 degrees on the dial back timing light.

I have no idea why you would have that effect with your ignition 
setup.  It seems that a double spark confuses the timing light.

- Tony

>At 07:10 AM 6/11/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.  Lots of
>>head scratching and no racing.
>>
>>Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296 Spitfire
>>motor is at 55-57 deg advanced.  I'm not typically in the habit of
>>disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to think at
>>this point.  The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of advance, let
>>alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.
>>
>>Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
>>the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
>>all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?
>>
>>Is it possible that 3 timing lights are simultaneously wrong, but all
>>give the same erroneous reading?  They're all the type with the dial on
>>the butt end - we need that since the earlier Spitfire has just a narrow
>>single pointer at the pulley, not a broad pointer with 25 or 30 degrees
>>marked on each side of zero.
>>
>>1.   The car runs when the timing lights say it's at 57 degrees of
>>advance and it WON'T run (will barely idle and is non-responsive to
>>throttle inputs) when it's set back to 30 degrees of advance according
>>to the timing lights.
>>
>>2.  When the engine is at TDC #1 firing, the rotor is pointing JUST past
>>the position for the #1 plug wire (nowhere close to the 30 degr.  or so
>>past which it would be if the timing was actually 57 degrees advanced).
>>
>><snip> to make it through the list



>>7.  And using the same extremely scientific methods, we looked to see
>>that the distributor rotor was pointing approximately at #1 plug wire
>>location when the pointer was just about 0.5 inches before TDC #1 firing
>>(18 degrees of mechanical advance in the Mallory so 12 deg static
>>advance).  (4.75 * 3.14159 / 360 = 0.042 * 12 = 0.497 inches).
>>
>>What the heck am I missing here?  Can the timing actually be at 30 deg
>>adv, while the timing lights are saying it's at 60-ish?  And if that's
>>possible, how?  what would cause it?
>>
>>Scott B.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Mon Jun 11 09:19:47 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454DFC6@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <337375.80484.qm@web81207.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott: Being an electronic engineer I'll tell you a secret...those lights with the dial in the handle rarely read correctly when new, and time just degrades them. Mark the pulley! Secondly, if you are using an inductive light and solid core wires you are picking up adjacent plugs firing. I love solid core wires, but they seem to make the more sensitive electronic add-on's react strangely. Rev limiters go nuts, MSD's don't work right, and inductive lights pick-up adjacent plugs. I have been using a 35+ year old timing light that hooks directly to the plug. No stray noise pick-up. I will say that I have stopped using solid core wires when using sensitive electronics. Thanks - Ed 


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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 11 11:34:03 2007
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <127096.85891.qm@web81505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Scott,
 
Most distributorless ignitions give exactly that symptom. If you're electronic and you have two coils rather than four that's your situation. All standard timing lights read 2x the actual advance because there is an extra spark going to each cylinder. Each coil has two output towers and services two cylinders. The cylinder that has a dense fuel/air mixture absorbs most of the spark energy. The opposite cylinder is on the exhaust stroke at roughly one atmosphere, absorbs next to no energy and the extra spark is harmless.
 
There are higher-end timing lights that have a switch for "waste spark" and two-stroke ignitions (same situation, spark occurs twice as often as a standard timing light expects). All it does is divide by two in that mode. OTC 3367 is one model. They are hard to find in stores but easy online.
 
Don't know if you built this one to vintage or prod specs. If you have a conventional distributor system, replace your capacitor. You may be getting extra spurious sparks that the capacitor is meant to damp. That confuses timing lights too. You might also check the fine wire that grounds the moving points baseplate to the housing.
 
Gary Schneider



----- Original Message ----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10:53 AM
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time


...Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me that
the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the timing lights
all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance.  Is that possible?


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Jun 11 12:04:42 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:04:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
References: <bdf.14f6fcef.339c9c44@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV4A8723849A6A7D06732FAB71A0@phx.gbl>

Steve,
You can buy window net mounting kits with seat belt buckle type releases from
Leary Racing Products. All, or most of, the pieces you will need are
included.
Kevin
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gt6steve at aol.com<mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com>
  To: FOT at autox.team.net<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:13 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


  Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting.  I've
got
  about 37 ideas that don't work.  How do the pros do it?  Steve



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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 11 13:10:12 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV4A8723849A6A7D06732FAB71A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <622444.54198.qm@web58903.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Make sure you get the bottom bar as well.  There is some welding involved.
   
  I have used a similar system in the past, easy with no fuss.
   
  Also available from Racer Wholesale, for comparison shopping.
   
  Ernie

KEVIN LYNCH <klynch_6 at msn.com> wrote:
  Steve,
You can buy window net mounting kits with seat belt buckle type releases from
Leary Racing Products. All, or most of, the pieces you will need are
included.
Kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: Gt6steve at aol.com
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?


Anybody know where I can find ideas for proper window net mounting. I've
got
about 37 ideas that don't work. How do the pros do it? Steve



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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 11 13:39:51 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Window nets?
Message-ID: <BAY115-F287B68149B8ED72AF9D7F88C1A0@phx.gbl>

Intuitively, I would have through that window nets only make sense
if the doors are welded shut.

Shane Ingate, what the bleep do I know, in Maryland.

>Another mounting tip: if at all possible, the net should connect to the 
>roll bar, not the car body.
>
>In my rollover, the window net, which was attached to the drivers door and 
>the roof of the car, was totally ineffective.  Only my death grip on the 
>steering wheel prevented bad things from occurring.  When the car stopped, 
>the door was opened against the front fender, and the roof was flapping in 
>the wind.  Not a bad idea to do arm restraints in addition to the window 
>net.

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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-Shirts LAST CALL!
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Tue Jun 12 07:51:10 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:51:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Bad Time
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E148@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Ed Barnard and Tom Strange win the prize.

The question was, given that all of the other observations indicated
that timing was actually at 30 degrees advance, what could cause three
separate timing lights to show timing at 60 degrees advance?  The
answer:  Inductive timing lights and solid core plug wires are a lousy
combination.

While I was beavering away at work yesterday (OK, so I was mostly
emailing you people), Dad dragged the old non-inductive style timing
light off the "dusty stuff" shelf, measured and marked off 30 degrees on
the pulley and there it was.  Steady 30 degrees of advance.  And, as an
added bonus, all of the leaping flashes before and after proper timing
are gone.

Scott B.


----- Original Message -----
From: EDWARD BARNARD <edwardbarnard at prodigy.net>
To: Barr, Scott; fot at autox.team.net <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon Jun 11 10:16:31 2007
Subject: [BULK]  Re: [Fot] Bad Time

Scott: Being an electronic engineer I'll tell you a secret... if you are
using an inductive light and solid core wires you are picking up
adjacent plugs firing. I love solid core wires, but they seem to make
the more sensitive electronic add-on's react strangely. Rev limiters go
nuts, MSD's don't work right, and inductive lights pick-up adjacent
plugs. I have been using a 35+ year old timing light that hooks directly
to the plug. No stray noise pick-up. I will say that I have stopped
using solid core wires when using sensitive electronics. Thanks - Ed

"Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> wrote:

	It was one of those "What the heck am I missing??" weekends.
Lots of
	head scratching and no racing.

	Three separate timing lights tell me that the timing on my 1296
Spitfire
	motor is at 55-57 deg advanced. I'm not typically in the habit
of
	disputing such compelling evidence, but I don't know what to
think at
	this point. The car shouldn't RUN at almost 60 degrees of
advance, let
	alone run BEST at 60 degrees of advance.

	Based on the various observations detailed below, it seems to me
that
	the timing is ACTUALLY around 30 deg of advance, while the
timing lights
	all say it's at almost 60 deg of advance. Is that possible?


From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 12 17:40:24 2007
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Indy F1
Message-ID: <FCEGIHAKDJFAMCOPHGBEGEKCDMAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Anyone going to be at Indy this weekend?

I am the captain at turn 10. Stop by and say hello
if you are in the area. As long as there are no
cars on the track, I'll be glad to chat.

Doug

--
Doug Mitchell
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500
1973 Triumph Stag


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jun 13 13:53:28 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:53:28 -0500
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.

But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.

The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
head, if that makes a difference to anyone.

Scott B.


From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jun 13 15:08:41 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
Message-ID: <112745301.1181768921103.JavaMail.root@fepweb13>

Scott, I'm not sure if this is comparable or not but on my Sprites I'd have the probes 6 inches from the exhaust valve center. Under full load at the end of the straight I'd be looking for about 1250 degrees. That always seemed to be the sweet spot in performance and seems to be what the better National SCCA guys where seeing/doing with theirs. In the shop I'd see about 1000 at about 3000rpms.
Now remember, I'm new to Triumphs so none of that may matter. I'll definitely be checking with the TR3/4 guys when the EGTs are installed in the Ambro.
Dave Hesse
Ambro build ARE-003

---- "Barr wrote:

=============
Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
retirement). At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.

But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps? I'm assuming that the 1250
degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.

The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
head, if that makes a difference to anyone.

Scott B.
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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Wed Jun 13 15:10:46 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <049001c7adff$52a6d740$03fea8c0@remsec1>

I target 1350 but only at the end of a straight, Anything else I ignore. 
When I ran stock pistons 1400 degrees was the fear point. Your situation may 
be different. This was on a 1296 Spitfire comfortable at 7800+ rpm and we 
ran a 34 degree total advance with twin HS-4 SUs.
I run a thermister on pipes 1 and 4 of the headers and can see immediately 
if the carbs are not in perfect synch.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings


> Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
> retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
> of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
> We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.
>
> But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
> degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.
>
> The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
> head, if that makes a difference to anyone.
>
> Scott B.
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 13 16:31:38 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:31:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
Message-ID: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>

Amici...

Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a simple, quick and 
dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel tow.  I've checked Behling's and 
Pegasus locally, and they knew of them, but didn't carry them.

Bill Dentinger



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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jun 13 17:13:25 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:13:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7454E311@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c7ae10$72761700$0301a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

Most likely you have the probes a little close. The Westach EGT (which I 
have) recommends 4 - 6 inches. You may be in the flame or very close to it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] EGT readings


> Dad just finished installing an EGT in my Spitfire (very handy,
> retirement).  At about 2,500 to 3,000 revs (no load) we're seeing temps
> of 1000 degr. at the front probe and 1250 degr. at the rear probe.
> We're looking for an air leak at this point, naturally.
>
> But what is "normal" for exhaust gas temps?  I'm assuming that the 1250
> degr. is pretty high for not being under load or at full revs.
>
> The probes are approximately 1.5 inches down the header tubes from the
> head, if that makes a difference to anyone.
>
> Scott B.
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Wed Jun 13 18:07:35 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:07:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
In-Reply-To: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F94C@server.Triumph.local>

Moss sells them, but forget the toe stick...

Look at eBay auction # 4526459130.

Forget paying $63 for that, make them yourself.

Hold one plate against one front wheel, get a helper to hold the other
plate against the other wheel. Get a regular carpenters tape measure, or
two matching tapes make it real easy. Insert the tape in the slot behind
the wheel, run tape under car and into the slot behind the wheel on the
other plate. Take your measurement, then get the measurement from the
front slots. Adjust until you get your desired toe.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
> Sent: June 13, 2007 6:32 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
>
> Amici...
>
> Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a
> simple, quick and dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel
> tow.  I've checked Behling's and Pegasus locally, and they
> knew of them, but didn't carry them.
>
> Bill Dentinger


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 13 18:21:30 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick
In-Reply-To: <be9.1836ecee.33a1ca4a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096834@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Could be your spelling--it's TOE. As in toe-in or toe-out. And most
folks make them from scrap. Mine is bent out of conduit/

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of BillDentin at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 3:32 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Tow Stick

Amici...

Any one know who might sell 'Tow Sticks'?  Supposed to be a simple,
quick and dirty tool for checking and adjusting wheel tow.  I've checked
Behling's and Pegasus locally, and they knew of them, but didn't carry
them.

Bill Dentinger



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jun 14 08:41:34 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:41:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
Message-ID: <d41.b1c131c.33a2ad9e@aol.com>

Amici...

As usual, I am about a lap and a half behind.

Yes I meant Toe Stick, and not Tow Stick.  My spelling is week.

But more embarrassing is I find my racing partner, Bob Wismer, has one, and 
is bringing it to BLACKHAWK this week end.  We'll use it next weekend (also at 
BLACKHAWK) to try and tune the TALISMAN chassis.

Thanks to all who responded.  All of the advise and comments on 'toe sticks' 
and 'toe plates' was very much appreciated.  

As was you tolerant reception to my spelling weeknesses.  This particularly 
because I am usually such a sarcastic type myself.

Bill (Damdinger)
 


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From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 14 08:53:44 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:53:44 +0000
Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
In-Reply-To: <d41.b1c131c.33a2ad9e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F31F7344AFDC3B9B69E01F0D21F0@phx.gbl>

>As was you tolerant reception to my spelling weeknesses.  This particularly
>because I am usually such a sarcastic type myself.

  Bill... we loves ya in spite of yourself.

  Will the be a whine and cheeze do this weekend?

  I've got a "bang up red" I want to try on youse

Geep

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: BillDentin at aol.com
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: [Fot] TOW STICK (read Toe Stick)
>Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:41:34 EDT
>
>Amici...
>
>As usual, I am about a lap and a half behind.
>
>Yes I meant Toe Stick, and not Tow Stick.  My spelling is week.
>
>But more embarrassing is I find my racing partner, Bob Wismer, has one, and
>is bringing it to BLACKHAWK this week end.  We'll use it next weekend (also 
>at
>BLACKHAWK) to try and tune the TALISMAN chassis.
>
>Thanks to all who responded.  All of the advise and comments on 'toe 
>sticks'
>and 'toe plates' was very much appreciated.
>
>
>Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
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From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jun 14 22:07:59 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:07:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 DOG legs needed
Message-ID: <000701c7af02$c2f88210$2b24b348@blake1>

I am looking for a set of TR3 dog legs or at least the bottom 6" from
each side.  MOSS # QUARTER PANEL, L/H (dogleg) PN#855-730.  When I
replaced the inner sills and floors, I had to remove about 4-5" off the
bottom of each due to rust.  I don't think I will be able to fabricate
patch panels due to the curvature of the pieces.
 
Thanks,
 
Greg


From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Fri Jun 15 12:58:18 2007
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 11:58:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter
Message-ID: <4672E14A.5050104@greenheart.com>

I have one of those oil filter conversions on my TR4A that I have used 
for years.  I have been using a FRAM 3600.   I just found this oil 
filter online from K&N.  I must say, having a 1" nut welded on the end 
to remove the filter sells me!  Here's the link for the K&N filter that 
replaces the FRAM...

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2009


--Justin


From BillB at bnj.com  Fri Jun 15 13:10:17 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:10:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter
In-Reply-To: <4672E14A.5050104@greenheart.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096837@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Very nice, though the new Fram3600 has rough textured paint on the grip
area that makes R&R pretty easy. I like the safety wire part too. I put
a hose clamp on my filters and safety wire them. But it's not ideal.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Justin Wagner
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:58 AM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumphs
Subject: [Fot] K&N Oil Filter

I have one of those oil filter conversions on my TR4A that I have used
for years.  I have been using a FRAM 3600.   I just found this oil
filter online from K&N.  I must say, having a 1" nut welded on the end
to remove the filter sells me!  Here's the link for the K&N filter that
replaces the FRAM...

http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=HP-2009


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From jdment at suddenlink.net  Sat Jun 16 14:23:02 2007
From: jdment at suddenlink.net (James McAndrew)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:23:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
Message-ID: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>

Amici

 

I may be purchasing a TR250 from the Washington DC area.

 

It is the Jasmin Yellow one listed in the VTR (www.vtr.org
<http://www.vtr.org/> ) classifieds by Rene Burcksen.

 

Does anyone know this car, seen it in person, know Rene, or have any other
insider information.

 

I'm looking for a fun, reliable car to go to club events while I work on (I
mean race) my TR3.

 

Thanks for any insight.

 

Jim McAndrew

Tyler, Texas 


From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Sat Jun 16 15:21:57 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:21:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
In-Reply-To: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>
Message-ID: <000b01c7b05c$63743b30$57e8a8c0@DWC>

Jim,
Sorry, no info on this car or owner.  But if you don't get it let me know, I
might like it.  My first intro to Triumphs was owning a Jasmine yellow 250
in Austin, Texas.

Don W. Carter, AIA
Carter Design Associates
6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100
Houston, Texas 77057
(713) 529-2288 Telephone
(713) 789-2330 Fax
don at carterdesignassociates.com



-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of James McAndrew
Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:23 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250


Amici



I may be purchasing a TR250 from the Washington DC area.



It is the Jasmin Yellow one listed in the VTR (www.vtr.org
<http://www.vtr.org/> ) classifieds by Rene Burcksen.



Does anyone know this car, seen it in person, know Rene, or have any other
insider information.



I'm looking for a fun, reliable car to go to club events while I work on (I
mean race) my TR3.



Thanks for any insight.



Jim McAndrew

Tyler, Texas
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Sat Jun 16 20:25:11 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 22:25:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possibly purchase of a TR250
References: <000301c7b054$24d18200$6701a8c0@dogrun>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1020EDF38471459A2F05D2C31C0@phx.gbl>

Do watch out for corroded/rusted/soft/dangerous rear trailing arm attachment
points.  Rusted chassis are the bane of the IRS cars.

Terry Stetler


From chasgee at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 08:51:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:51:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2007 Kastner Cup - Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <8C97F0615CC4109-1F18-7CF4@FWM-D38.sysops.aol.com>

All,

The 2007 Kastner Cup race is almost here, so get your entry in right away!
Don't miss this opportunity to race at a great track, with great weather, and,
of course, great FOT hospitality.B  Kas and Peggy will be there to cheer us on
and present the Cup, and, most importantly, poor the champagne.

Details can be found at the FOT website: http://www.fot-racing.com/

Hope to see you there!



Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire
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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Sun Jun 17 18:35:06 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:35:06 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 2007 Kastner Cup - Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <20070617.204346.-201659.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

If you are still on the fence about going to Miller, here are a few
thoughts about the destination:

Tooele, Utah, it just sounds like the middle of nowhere. In reality, it
is 30 miles from the Salt Lake City International Airport. Nestled at the
base of the west slope of the Oquirrh Mountains in eastern Tooele County.
The City of Tooele has the amenities expected in the 21st century, yet
still retains some 19th century details. Tooele County, second largest in
Utah, has a motor sports heritage that goes back into the early 20th
century with the Land Speed Record runs conducted at the Bonneville Salt
Flats.
Larry Miller, having been shot down in his efforts to expand facilities
in Mead, Colorado and rejected by Salt Lake City, Utah, where he is a
major presence, accepted the offer from Tooele County to come and look at
a piece of land they had available. Ninety plus million dollars later,
Larry had a state of the art road racing facility a few miles outside
Tooele. The multi configuration track is capable of hosting two events
simultaneously on two, 2+ mile circuits, run an event on the perimeter
track (on which motorcycles have already averaged above 100 MPH), or the
full, 4.65 mile, 23 corner Pro-Circuit. On top of that, there is a
Go-Kart track with too many configurations to count and dirt hills on
each end for off road activities. Motorcycles can play on the Kart
facilities as well. 
The facility is ready to go to host a United States Grand Prix (with a
few more seats). There are GP garages on pit lane fitted with everything
a prima donna GP team could want. Yes, there are TVs in there. Race
control is likewise fitted with large TV monitors capable of showing
images from cameras fitted around the track. The view from Race Control
is quite picturesque with the Oquirrh Mountains to the left, South
Mountain in front of you, the Stansbury Mountains on your right and the
track in the foreground. Id like to see the place in the Spring when the
grass is green. 
DO NOT miss your next opportunity to visit this incredible facility with
the same sort of amenities we enjoyed at PPIR, just kicked way, WAY up,
and a REAL road course! 
You will be glad you came.

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:51:13 -0400 chasgee at aol.com writes:
> All,
> 
> The 2007 Kastner Cup race is almost here, so get your entry in right 
> away!
> Don't miss this opportunity to race at a great track, with great 
> weather, and,
> of course, great FOT hospitality.B  Kas and Peggy will be there to 
> cheer us on
> and present the Cup, and, most importantly, poor the champagne.
> 
> Details can be found at the FOT website: http://www.fot-racing.com/
> 
> Hope to see you there!
> 
> 
> 
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
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From mymully at abnet.ca  Sun Jun 17 21:39:34 2007
From: mymully at abnet.ca (Ed & Judy Winters)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Steering/ignition lock TR6
Message-ID: <001a01c7b15a$4a90e010$6700a8c0@DG0W8511>

A buddy of mine has a Tr6  (1975) He changed his dash board and now has a
situation with his headlights.The headlights work fine without the engine
running.When the vehicle is running he loses his headlights.The usual checks
for proper connections, grounds ,Etc has been done without success,He has
narrowed it down to the steering lock however  he is not sure why . The
ignition switch was removed and cleaned ( appears to be working okay ) There
is a black and green wire connected at the base of the lock.It doesn't show up
on the wiring diagram There info schematic of the locking mechanism in the
shop manual to show how it works .Does anyone have any idea why  this would
cause this problem.
Ed Winters.


From triumphs at consolidated.net  Sun Jun 17 21:54:45 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 22:54:45 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 50K
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALGEKIEHAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

This afternoon I took the TR3 to the next town (20 mile round trip) and
notice, as I pulled into the garage that I was within 2 miles of turning
50,000 miles since rebuilt.  Seeing as how that is something of a milestone
I decided to wait until the cool of the evening and take a run around my
usual tuning course.

It was a beautiful evening.  Cool and the car was running very well.  I had
this whole long, self congratulatory post planned, to tell the story of
dragging this car out of my fathers barn in 1995 and spending the next 7
years rebuilding it and cap it off with how I had been, mostly successful in
putting 50,000 trouble free miles on it in the 5 years since.  A real back
slapper about driving it to both coasts and several dozen destinations in
between and about fixing whatever minor problems arose with basic hand tools
in motel parking lots and racetrack paddocks.

Well, the car had different ideas.  About 10 miles into the course, and 8
miles after I had passed the magic 50 K mark, I hit a railroad crossing a
little fast and BANG, the rear axle shifted about 6 inches forward and the
left rear dropped 4 or 5 inches down.  I am assuming that the axle came free
from the spring mounting, but its too dark and too remote to try to fix it
right now and it is clearly not drivable as is.  I will send a tow truck out
in the morning and better assess the damage (This will be only the second
ride home on a hook) and hopefully have it back on the road well before time
to leave for TRF / Pittsburg Grand Prix / VTR, but this is not the ending I
was hoping for this story. :-)

These cars certainly have a knack for keeping a person humble.

Ken Gano


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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Mon Jun 18 06:05:51 2007
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 50K
References: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALGEKIEHAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c7b1a1$06cabf30$76ca5346@Elliott>

I was 7 miles from home after driving over 7200 miles from Montreal and 
back - to Portland, Oregon, for VTR back in 2000 when the rear spring broke 
on the passenger's side.  Trear fender on that side was down as you 
describe - almost touching the ground.  I limped home the last 7 miles.  I 
guess that the shock assembly kept it together.  The car (and the rear 
springs) had 130,000 miles on them from new and I had driven 45,000 miles 
since I had completed my restoration in 1990.  The day after, I removed the 
rear spring and found that the spring was broken just to the rear of the 
axle.  The two outer leaves of the RHS rear spring had clean fractures.  But 
the two inner leaves had broken some time earlier.  This was obvious by the 
scrubbed and rusty surfaces across the fractures.

I called the local sportscar shop and he had 10 springs in stock.  A few 
days later, I was back on the road.  The sashay feeling on smooth but wavy 
surfaced roads had dissappeared.  I suppose that the two broken leaves had 
been cauing this for about two years.

Don Elliott, Original Owner, 1958 TR3A

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(photo at VTR 2001, Colorado - drove 5225 miles that trip)


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To: "Michael Porter" <portermd at zianet.com>; "Triumph List" 
<triumphs at Autox.Team.Net>; "Friends of Triumph" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: [Fot] 50K


> This afternoon I took the TR3 to the next town (20 mile round trip) and
> notice, as I pulled into the garage that I was within 2 miles of turning
> 50,000 miles since rebuilt.  Seeing as how that is something of a 
> milestone
> I decided to wait until the cool of the evening and take a run around my
> usual tuning course.
>
> It was a beautiful evening.  Cool and the car was running very well.  I 
> had
> this whole long, self congratulatory post planned, to tell the story of
> dragging this car out of my fathers barn in 1995 and spending the next 7
> years rebuilding it and cap it off with how I had been, mostly successful 
> in
> putting 50,000 trouble free miles on it in the 5 years since.  A real back
> slapper about driving it to both coasts and several dozen destinations in
> between and about fixing whatever minor problems arose with basic hand 
> tools
> in motel parking lots and racetrack paddocks.
>
> Well, the car had different ideas.  About 10 miles into the course, and 8
> miles after I had passed the magic 50 K mark, I hit a railroad crossing a
> little fast and BANG, the rear axle shifted about 6 inches forward and the
> left rear dropped 4 or 5 inches down.  I am assuming that the axle came 
> free
> from the spring mounting, but its too dark and too remote to try to fix 
> it
> right now and it is clearly not drivable as is.  I will send a tow truck 
> out
> in the morning and better assess the damage (This will be only the second
> ride home on a hook) and hopefully have it back on the road well before 
> time
> to leave for TRF / Pittsburg Grand Prix / VTR, but this is not the ending 
> I
> was hoping for this story. :-)
>
> These cars certainly have a knack for keeping a person humble.
>
> Ken Gano
>
>
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From tarch at bellsouth.net  Mon Jun 18 06:19:27 2007
From: tarch at bellsouth.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:19:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
Message-ID: <000901c7b1a2$ea04a620$6401a8c0@RTA>

Glacier Girl, the P-38 we got out of Greenland, is on its way to completing
its mission to England. 
 
To follow it check out airshowbuzz.com
 
And if you think you know something about driving an airplane, click P-51
Horsemen. Wow!
 


Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA

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Atlanta,   Georgia,   30307

tel:
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From Cofrog at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 15:28:01 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:28:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Room at Miller??
Message-ID: <c23.1aac9355.33a852e1@aol.com>

Unfortunately the engine rebuild on my TR4A continues so cannot run at  
Miller.  But am planning to drive over from Denver to mingle.  Is  anyone else 
going alone that would like to to split a room on Friday and  Saturday night?  I 
have room for a rider from Denver also.
 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 18 16:03:17 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:03:17 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
Message-ID: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>

Richard,

Are you going to England?  

Lots of pilots in Alaska. 

Read two great Bush Pilot Biographies while here.

Joe (A)

its way to completing
>its mission to England. 
> 
>To follow it check out airshowbuzz.com
> 
>And if you think you know something about driving an airplane, click P-51
>Horsemen. Wow!
> 
>
>
>Richard L. Taylor, Jr., FAIA
>
>TAYLOR  ARCHITECTURE
> 
><http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=112+Krog+St.+++Suite+196&csz
>=Atlanta%2C+Georgia&country=us> 112  Krog  St.    Suite  196
>Atlanta,   Georgia,   30307
>
>tel:
><http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+223-1313&Email
>=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 223-1313 
>
>fax:          (404) 223-1312
>
>mobile:
><http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signature&To=(404)+660-4920&Email
>=tarch at bellsouth.net> (404) 660-4920 
>
> 
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>
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From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:15:15 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:15:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>

A couple of my online simulation flying buddies saw Glacier Girl  at the Chino
air show earlier this year. I'm crushed that I'm on the wrong side of the
continent and missed seeing the 3 flyable P38s on the planet in one place at
one time.

Are any of you planning on attending The Gathering of Mustangs and Legends in
Columbus Ohio at the end of September?

As of yesterday they had 102 P51s registered to attend.  It is a 4 day airshow
that has sort of been "commandeered" by the USAF as the unofficial 60th
anniversary airshow for the USAF.  Lots of warbirds in addition to the 100+
Mustangs, also F22s and the USAF Thunderbirds will appear all four days.  The
organizers are planning on putting up all 100+ P51s in one flight every day of
the show...

Wow!

Linkage to the official website...

http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp<http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp>


Terry Stetler


From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:17:15 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:17:15 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
	<BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV8320751411628D0E1076FC3130@phx.gbl>

Oops...

I hope this link works better

http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp<http://www.gml2007.com/index.asp>


From tlizzard at msn.com  Mon Jun 18 16:25:41 2007
From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:25:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT Aviation Division
References: <1DC50ECE.5F5A3ED7.00159EE9@cs.com>
	<BAY116-DAV1611F189E98CC477C5BB33C3130@phx.gbl>
	<BAY116-DAV8320751411628D0E1076FC3130@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY116-DAV5D8B5F2E77856863AC9E9C3130@phx.gbl>

Her is a link to the trailer for the event... turn up your speakers.

http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47<http://www.airshowbuzz.
com/videos/view.php?v=9fbefb47>

Terry.


From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 07:03:59 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:03:59 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Glacier Girl
Message-ID: <d0f.c261598.33a92e3f@aol.com>

Amici...

Glacier Girl's getting a lot of ink this morning in the USA TODAY.  Pity our 
Richard Taylor doesn't get his due in such an article.  The efforts expended 
to get this airplane back in the air, and now to complete her 1942 mission are 
awesome.  Not the least of which seven million dollars plus towards recovery 
and restoration, but if the ruler is 'blood, guts, and personal effort', 
Richard is right up there at the top of the list.

Bill Dentinger
 


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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun 19 09:19:34 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (bownes at seiri.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:19:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191118060.9815@stegosaurus.seiri.com>

Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.

Car is in Kingston, N.Y..


http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html

Bob


From tstrange at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 19 10:22:46 2007
From: tstrange at sbcglobal.net (tom strange)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Glacier Girl
In-Reply-To: <d0f.c261598.33a92e3f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <311514.56816.qm@web81108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

BillDentin at aol.com wrote:  Amici...

Glacier Girl's getting a lot of ink this morning in the USA TODAY. Pity our 
Richard Taylor doesn't get his due in such an article. The efforts expended 
to get this airplane back in the air, and now to complete her 1942 mission are 
awesome. Not the least of which seven million dollars plus towards recovery 
and restoration, but if the ruler is 'blood, guts, and personal effort', 
Richard is right up there at the top of the list.

Bill Dentinger

I second this ... thank you Richard for all your work and your part in this.... its a great accomplishment.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jun 19 10:38:11 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:38:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191118060.9815@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10706191237460.21160-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:

> Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
> major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.
> 
> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
> 
> 
> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
> 
> Bob

That car has Andy written all over it.

:-)

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 10:51:38 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:51:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10706191237460.21160-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:

> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>
> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>
> Bob

That car has Andy written all over it.

==AM==
Alas, Bob, not these days. I've been without a tow vehicle for over 
four years now. (Ok, my daughter has a Mazda B3000 pickup, but it's not 
quite tow-ready.) Oddly enough, I've actually been ever-so-slowly 
whittling down the yard art. I actually watched last summer with great 
joy as, one by one, five derelict Volvos left my driveway for the last 
time. For that matter, I've a couple of semi-roller TR3s that look at 
least as good as the one on Craigslist, and they're available (probably 
not for $1, but maybe for not all that much more).

--Andy Mace (busy keeping my son motivated enough to make a GT6 
convertible for himself!)

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Tue Jun 19 11:01:26 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (bownes at seiri.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>

Well, as it is a small mouth 3, I did consider it for at least a few 
seconds. Someday I'll restore one for my Dad, who had one when he dated 
Mom.

Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

I might have a decent green GT6 MK III for Ian when the time comes. Just 
need to pry the top off :-)

iii


On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, herald948 at aol.com wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M. Lang <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:
>
>> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>> 
>> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>> 
>> Bob
>
> That car has Andy written all over it.
>
> ==AM==
> Alas, Bob, not these days. I've been without a tow vehicle for over four 
> years now. (Ok, my daughter has a Mazda B3000 pickup, but it's not quite 
> tow-ready.) Oddly enough, I've actually been ever-so-slowly whittling down 
> the yard art. I actually watched last summer with great joy as, one by one, 
> five derelict Volvos left my driveway for the last time. For that matter, 
> I've a couple of semi-roller TR3s that look at least as good as the one on 
> Craigslist, and they're available (probably not for $1, but maybe for not all 
> that much more).
>
> --Andy Mace (busy keeping my son motivated enough to make a GT6 convertible 
> for himself!)
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
> Herald engine with  wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald 
> Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue Jun 19 12:14:54 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:14:54 EDT
Subject: [Fot] driving daugters
Message-ID: <d24.10f9e110.33a9771e@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 6/19/2007 11:00:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

Crumbs Andy,

You mean to say that sweet little girl I met back in Sept 98 had the cheek to
grow up?

That was like, yesterday!!!

I suppose next you'll be teling us that her brother has gone and done the
same exact thing?

But seriously, it'a been too long Andy!

Best Regards

Lion

(My step-daughter is 17 on July 10th, she takes her drivers test on June
22nd)

<A
HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
ts.com/user/vitesse1963</A>


   </HTML>


From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 12:25:34 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:25:34 -0400
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
References: <8C980A93CE35DF9-1D4C-E2DD@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0706191258580.9880@stegosaurus.seiri.com>
Message-ID: <8C980B65C43EFC1-1D4C-E9B6@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: bownes at seiri.com

Well, as it is a small mouth 3, I did consider it for at least a few
seconds. Someday I'll restore one for my Dad, who had one when he dated
Mom.

==AM==
Cool memory. Small-mouth cars are still out there, hopefully some 
better than the Craigslist car!
==AM==

Andy, your daughter is *driving*? Man I'm old.

==AM==
Hey, that's what I keep saying to myself. Yep, the little five-week-old 
at the first VTR National in Albany, NY, is 18 this week, graduating 
from high school and headed off to college this fall!

==AM==

I might have a decent green GT6 MK III for Ian when the time comes. 
Just
need to pry the top off :-)

==AM==
Geez, there are times when I still miss that ratty but mostly 
dead-reliable GT6! And now that you mention it, both Sarah and Ian are 
fond of green Triumphs (of which I have a surfeit)...along with almost 
any other color of Triumphs. Heck, Sarah keeps saying that one of these 
summers, she and I ought to dust off the old Hardly Boys RaceSpit 4 and 
go autocrossing. Could happen....

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From whimsey1 at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 19 12:51:33 2007
From: whimsey1 at earthlink.net (jimdonick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <21455008.1182279093853.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The asking price is actually $1500.  I've spoken with the owner.
Kind regards to all.
jimdonick

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
>Sent: Jun 19, 2007 12:38 PM
>To: bownes at seiri.com
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] $1 TR3
>
>On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 bownes at seiri.com wrote:
>
>> Just spotted in this on Craigslist. I don't have enough time for this 
>> major a project or the like, but someone might be interested.
>> 
>> Car is in Kingston, N.Y..
>> 
>> 
>> http://albany.craigslist.org/car/353997054.html
>> 
>> Bob
>
>That car has Andy written all over it.
>
>:-)
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 12:54:30 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:54:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <c97.122673de.33a98066@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/19/2007 1:52:28 PM Central Daylight Time, 
whimsey1 at earthlink.net writes:


> The asking price is actually $1500.  I've spoken with the owner.
> Kind regards to all.
> 

Jim...

Did the guy say how much fuel is in the tank?

Bill (Damdinger)



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From gasket.works at gte.net  Tue Jun 19 19:14:10 2007
From: gasket.works at gte.net (Gasket Works USA)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:14:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)
Message-ID: <12860860.3609571182302050907.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net>

Below is an email from Kerry at Crower.
Mordy

>From: Kerry <kerry at crower.com>
>Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 06:07:26 CDT
>To: 'MDunst/Gasket Works' <gasket.works at verizon.net>

>
>The cranks are almost finished maybe 1 week


M.N.Dunst
Gasket Works USA, LLC
gmt-8 Pacific time
626.358.1616 voice
626.628.3777 fax


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun 19 23:35:36 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:35:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <4678BCA8.4010807@bradakis.com>

Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm working
on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
Any FOT folks planning on attending?

Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.

And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But there
is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
at Millah, but don't hold your breath.

mjb.


From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 20 05:49:30 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:49:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>

I plan to attend the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.

Dean Tetterton




>From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
>Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT
>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip

>Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
>since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
>to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm working
>on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
>Any FOT folks planning on attending?
>
>Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
>but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
>So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
>who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
>my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.
>
>And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
>Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
>it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But there
>is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
>much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
>at Millah, but don't hold your breath.
>
>mjb.
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From VANDECARR at aol.com  Wed Jun 20 09:07:44 2007
From: VANDECARR at aol.com (VANDECARR at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:07:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] $1 TR3
Message-ID: <d22.878d62e.33aa9cc0@aol.com>

I live about 25 miles from Kingston and contacted the owner.   He wants $1500 
and readily admits there is not prospect of restoring the car and is only 
good for parts.   A few years ago I picked up a "free" TR 6 in similar condition. 
  The frame broke in half when I winched it up on the trailer, ripped open 
the spare tire and damaged the trailer.   I spent 2 days trying to get useful 
parts off it and only ended up with the engine/trans and the diff.   Everything 
else was in such bad shape it either broke when I took it off or wasn't worth 
taking off.

All things considered, I think $1500 is a little much for this. 

Dean VanDeCarr


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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 20 17:40:39 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:40:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <BAY123-W12F57BB58147DB13FB3505BA110@phx.gbl>

I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
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From scypher at usa.com  Wed Jun 20 19:35:51 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scott Cypher)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Info Needed: Triumph Machine Shop in SE PA, Philly Area
Message-ID: <F45C91EA-C121-4C4B-81B9-6AAEE19A2410@usa.com>

It looks like I'm in need of a machine shop to do some minor work to  
my block.
What shops are there in the in the SE PA area?

Thanks
-Scott


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 20 20:58:28 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:58:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>

informal fot/vtr get together?

jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.

we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.

from seattle....

joe a

>I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
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From brad.kahler at 141.com  Wed Jun 20 21:06:55 2007
From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:06:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
References: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4679EB4F.6010802@141.com>

Joe,

Susan and I will be staying at French Creek State Park.  Its around $99 
for the week.  610-582-9680 or 888-PA-PARKS

Contact Susan for more details.

Brad


N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
> informal fot/vtr get together?
>
> jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
> we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
> from seattle....
>
> joe a
>
>   
>> I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>> 06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>> fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>> the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>> people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>> Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>> 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>     
>>> Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>>>       
>> a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>> planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>> in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>> We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>> VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>> few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>> person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>> such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>> local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>> drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>> shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>> annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>> Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>> before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
>>     
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 21:07:45 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <514931.85611.qm@web58902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heck I was at Valley Forge once and thought there was a lot of area for camping.  If it were good enough for General Washington it should be good enough for anyone.
   
  Of course I'm not sure the Park Rangers would agree.
   
  Wish I were going.

N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
  informal fot/vtr get together?

jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.

we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.

from seattle....

joe a


 	 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 20 22:37:16 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:37:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
Message-ID: <62367FD4.65444F2E.00159EE9@cs.com>

at the moment we are planning tent...french creek sounds good.

joe

>Joe,
>
>Susan and I will be staying at French Creek State Park.  Its around $99 
>for the week.  610-582-9680 or 888-PA-PARKS
>
>Contact Susan for more details.
>
>Brad
>
>
>N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>> informal fot/vtr get together?
>>
>> jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>>
>> we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>>
>> from seattle....
>>
>> joe a
>>
>>   
>>> I'll be there with the TR6. See you there.Marty Sukey> Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007
>>> 06:49:30 -0500> From: tr3a58 at verizon.net> To: mark at bradakis.com;
>>> fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > I plan to attend
>>> the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We have a fair amount of
>>> people attending. Look forward to seeing any other FOT there.> > Dean
>>> Tetterton> > > > > >From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>> >Date:
>>> 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT> >To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>>
>>>     
>>>> Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip> > >Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in
>>>>       
>>> a row, and then nothing> >since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm
>>> planning on flying back> >to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime
>>> in July, and I'm working> >on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.
>>> We'll see how it goes.> >Any FOT folks planning on attending?> >> >Speaking of
>>> VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,> >but it has been a
>>> few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.> >So there may be a new
>>> person in that position soon, I'm assuming one> >who is currently running in
>>> such events.  But I will be taking over for> >my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the
>>> local VTR Zone guy.> >> >And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to
>>> drive the Great White> >Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the
>>> shop this evening,> >it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor
>>> annoyance.  But there> >is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance
>>> Garage, I may have a> >much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe
>>> before the Thrillah> >at Millah, but don't hold your breath.> >> >mjb.>
>>>     
>>>> _______________________________________________>
>>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> >tr3a58 at verizon.net> >Fot mailing list>
>>>> Fot at autox.team.net> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>
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From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 04:44:28 2007
From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 06:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] GT6 spindle
Message-ID: <002a01c7b3f1$25223ec0$0101a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D>

Does any one have a GT6 front spindle to sell? Just the spindle not the whole
upright.

thxx,
Bob
70 GT6 vintage racer
59 MGA coupe


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 06:26:37 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:26:37 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <514931.85611.qm@web58902.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F21345FCDD4322D435F1795D2100@phx.gbl>

As a kid I practically lived at Valley Forge... That being said I visited 
the park just last winter. Boy things have changed! Mostly for the better. 
It's less a park surroundin major thoroughfares but an actual park that  you 
woul stop and see. There are cycle trails and a whole lot more deer than I 
remember.

Camping in the area? I dunno... I'm sure there's campgrounds around... 
probably convenient to the park too. The whole area is a LOT more built up 
than it was when I was a kid.

Be sure to get to Philly If you're Driving a TR, make sure you drive the 
East and West River Drives... Very cool. If you're in to art definitely go 
the Philadelphia Museum of Art... it's world class. The water front on the 
Delaware is really neat too.

Restaurants?

The City Tavern
AVOID Bookbinders
Jimis Steaks (4th & South) Bets Cheese Steaks
Sansom Street Oyster House

If your want current info I can ask my sister who lives there.

Greg

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...






>From: Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com>
>To: N197TR4 at cs.com, marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>,tr3a58 at verizon.net, 
>"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>, Friends ofTriumph 
><fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:07:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Heck I was at Valley Forge once and thought there was a lot of area for 
>camping.  If it were good enough for General Washington it should be good 
>enough for anyone.
>
>   Of course I'm not sure the Park Rangers would agree.
>
>   Wish I were going.
>
>N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>   informal fot/vtr get together?
>
>jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
>we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
>from seattle....
>
>joe a
>
>
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From mikee at ragtops.com  Thu Jun 21 06:42:38 2007
From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fun at Valley Forge
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1182362401.26502.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1182362401.26502.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <467A723E.3020105@ragtops.com>

Listers:
Ragtops & Roadsters is located about 1/2 hour from the VTR in Valley 
Forge. In the unlikely situation that anyone needs mechanical assistance 
  while attending the event, please feel free to contact the shop. Of 
course, there will be parts vendors at the show as well as many people 
with the technical ability to perform any service needed, but if you 
need a lift (raise your car up or transport it) we're here to help.

Mike Engard


From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 09:55:26 2007
From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:55:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <535A99D0.7D4BC77A.00159EE9@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F3380844CEC1280E4E1A0A9A5100@phx.gbl>

>informal fot/vtr get together?
>
>jan and i will be there by way of pittsburgh and trf.
>
>we are also looking for insight on campground near the vtr.
>
>from seattle....
>
>joe a
>

I'm going in The Blue TR3.

See you there.

John H.


From mikee at ragtops.com  Thu Jun 21 10:20:40 2007
From: mikee at ragtops.com (Mike)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:20:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fun at Valley Forge
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10093.1182441347.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10093.1182441347.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <467AA558.6040903@ragtops.com>

Listers:
Ragtops & Roadsters is located about 1/2 hour from the VTR in Valley
Forge. In the unlikely situation that anyone needs mechanical assistance
   while attending the event, please feel free to contact the shop. Of
course, there will be parts vendors at the show as well as many people
with the technical ability to perform any service needed, but if you
need a lift (raise your car up or transport it) we're here to help.

If you feel you may overdose on Triumphs feel free to visit the shop 
where you can see Jaguars, Austin-Healeys, Loti, Morgans, Sunbeams and 
even the dreaded MG. Directions are on the website <www.ragtops.com>.

I'll be doing a tech session with Moss at the VTR on supercharging a TR-250.

Mike Engard


From billsohl at optonline.net  Thu Jun 21 10:37:18 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
In-Reply-To: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <13594986.9113991182340170644.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <7084111D868F4027B7643114620D5649@SohlPC>

Linda and I will be at VTR on several days.   It is close enough that we'll 
do it as a couple of day trips.
Current plans are to have our "original" 61 TR3A at the show field on 
Friday.

Cheers,
Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <tr3a58 at verizon.net>
To: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>; "Friends of Triumph" 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Possible VTR trip


>I plan to attend the convention. Will drive my TR6 up from Richmond. We 
>have a fair amount of people attending. Look forward to seeing any other 
>FOT there.
>
> Dean Tetterton
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
>>Date: 2007/06/20 Wed AM 12:35:36 CDT
>>To: Friends of Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
>>Subject: [Fot] Possible VTR trip
>
>>Boy, I made 12 VTR annual conventions in a row, and then nothing
>>since Breckenridge.  But that may change.  I'm planning on flying back
>>to Indianapolis to visit my ailing father sometime in July, and I'm 
>>working
>>on ways to work in VTR at Valley Forge as well.  We'll see how it goes.
>>Any FOT folks planning on attending?
>>
>>Speaking of VTR, I've been the Autocross Advisor for some time now,
>>but it has been a few years since I've actively autocrossed a Triumph.
>>So there may be a new person in that position soon, I'm assuming one
>>who is currently running in such events.  But I will be taking over for
>>my buddy Pugs Pivirotto as the local VTR Zone guy.
>>
>>And here I sit with no working Triumph.  Went to drive the Great White
>>Hopeless, a dilapadated squaretail Spit, home from the shop this evening,
>>it didn't start - dead battery.  No big deal, a minor annoyance.  But 
>>there
>>is some redirection of interest at the Fat Chance Garage, I may have a
>>much nicer Spit on the street RealSoonNow.  Maybe before the Thrillah
>>at Millah, but don't hold your breath.
>>
>>mjb.
>>_______________________________________________
>>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From STLNYC at msn.com  Thu Jun 21 12:27:42 2007
From: STLNYC at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:27:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fw: Important News on High Plains Raceway
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV18198AA8E3C62C3C221024DA100@phx.gbl>

Thought the list might be interested in what we're doing in Colorado

Fred
Hodgson
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robert
Alder<mailto:r.alder at earthlink.net> 
To: All
Members<mailto:r.alder at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:12 PM
Subject: Important News on High Plains Raceway


All RMVR Members:
Tuesday the 19th was a milestone for the development of the High Plains
Raceway -- the new home for a club-owned racing facility to replace Second
Creek.  Specifically there was an enthusiastic vote of 5 to 0 to add "amateur
motorsport" as a permitted Use by Special Review by the Planning Commission of
Arapahoe County.  As a result, CAMA is now in a position to provide you with
great detail about this exciting project.  And, in conjunction with all the
participating clubs, the Capital Campaign is now being launched.

CAMA has
issued an important News Release intended for the membership of the
constituent clubs such as RMVR.   You can read that News Release on the
track's brand new website,
www.HighPlainsRaceway.com<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/>.  The website
also includes tons of information about the track layout, about the Capital
Campaign, and about the progress of the fund raising.  And there is an
extensive FAQ section to answer all your questions. 

As an RMVR member you
will be receiving a mailing on the Capital Campaign in a couple of weeks.  But
in the meantime, all the details of that campaign are now on the website,
www.HighPlainsRaceway.com<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/> 

Please take
time to visit the website and to review the mailed materials to inform
yourself about this important development in your, and your club's, future
racing opportunities.

Sincerely,
The RMVR Board 

P.S.  As this email
was being sent (Tues. morning) there were some glitches in getting the host
server to accept the new website. Bummer.  So, if HighPlainsRaceway.com
doesn't respond immediately, please try again later.  They are working on it.
Sorry for the delay and it should be resolved by tomorrow at the latest.


From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net  Thu Jun 21 20:35:05 2007
From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
Message-ID: <969473.8191.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Listers: This time I come not just begging for help, but also offering things. Lets get the begging out of the way first. I am looking for a drivers side seat frame for a late model TR6. The type that has the separate headrest. I have a car I'm doing that the original frame is bent beyond use. 
  Now for the offerings...I have been putting tons of spares on Ebay lately and while clearing a pallet rack I came across a new Paeco TR-6-7700 cam. Not sure how I came about it, but it is heading for the auction block and I thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone is interested. The specs are as follows: Int: 43/79  Exh: 76/32   Duration: 302   Lift: .502"   RPM range: 4800-7700 rpm.  It doesn't look like this cam is for the faint of heart. If anyone on the list is interested in the cam or selling a seat frame please email me off list.
  Thanks - Ed


From mini at wi.rr.com  Thu Jun 21 23:03:55 2007
From: mini at wi.rr.com (Richard Gehweiler)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 00:03:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fenders
Message-ID: <000001c7b48a$c05dd590$6400a8c0@home>

As some of you may recall, Stonefield Vintage Racing was running two cars at
the May MOTRAH race at RA, Dan Gehweiler running a Mini Cooper and Alan
Washatko running a TR6. We had a great time meeting people and talking about
Triumphs and Minis. The high point of the weekend was meeting Kas Kastner
and his wife. Kas and his wife are truly wonderful people. The low point was
watching the wall right after turn 14 suck Alan's TR6 right off of the track
in the rain, and planting a big wet kiss on the driver's side of the car.
(Like Tony Drew said, "Makes for a good story"). Fortunately it could have
been a lot worse.



We have most of the parts that we need to repair the damage, however we are
in need of a driver's side front and rear fender (that's "wing" to you UK
and Australian guys). If anyone has any rust free (Stop laughing) parts,
could you please contact me and let me know the particulars.



Thanks Much,



Richard Gehweiler

mini at wi.rr.com

1.262.894.5460


From mattspit at att.net  Fri Jun 22 06:42:48 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:42:48 +0000
Subject: [Fot] thanks for advice on selling spitfire
Message-ID: <062220071242.14726.467BC3C7000E187D0000398621603763169B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Thanks for the advice and help on places to place advertisements to sell my Spitfire.
I have finally reluctantly placed them.

One interesting note. 
At the Totally Triumph Classified site I needed to spell fiberglass with only one s in order to avoid the automatic check for unacceptable words. Never thought it would complain about parts of words.

Thanks again

matt


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 22 09:18:26 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:18:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Seat
Message-ID: <001901c7b4e0$953cc410$0301000a@Chowdown>

Anyone want a TR3 front passenger seat?  It's the folding one, in rust-free
orig. condition.  It looks a bit shabby and was in my race-car as a way to
scare passengers. No bottom cushion either, but If you want it, and pay the
shipping, it's free.  Let me know if you need a pic.

~Steve


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Jun 21 13:05:45 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)
References: <12860860.3609571182302050907.JavaMail.root@vms172.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <005801c7b437$2f3a4f60$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Kerry says the Cranks are to be balanced next Monday.

M. Dunst 
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
626.358.1616 Voice
626.628.3777 Fax
GMT -8  Pacific 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Gasket Works USA <gasket.works at gte.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 6:14 PM
Subject: [Fot] cranks shafts)


> Below is an email from Kerry at Crower.
> Mordy
> 
> >From: Kerry <kerry at crower.com>
> >Date: 2007/06/19 Tue PM 06:07:26 CDT
> >To: 'MDunst/Gasket Works' <gasket.works at verizon.net>
> 
> >
> >The cranks are almost finished maybe 1 week
> 
> 
> M.N.Dunst
> Gasket Works USA, LLC
> gmt-8 Pacific time
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> 626.628.3777 fax
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From BillB at bnj.com  Sun Jun 24 10:13:18 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 09:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
In-Reply-To: <969473.8191.qm@web81203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096841@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is crap.
Best sold on eBay to someone you won't be talking to again.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of EDWARD BARNARD
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 7:35 PM
To: FOT
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits

Listers: This time I come not just begging for help, but also offering
things. Lets get the begging out of the way first. I am looking for a
drivers side seat frame for a late model TR6. The type that has the
separate headrest. I have a car I'm doing that the original frame is
bent beyond use.
  Now for the offerings...I have been putting tons of spares on Ebay
lately and while clearing a pallet rack I came across a new Paeco
TR-6-7700 cam. Not sure how I came about it, but it is heading for the
auction block and I thought I'd check with the list to see if anyone is
interested. The specs are as follows: Int: 43/79  Exh: 76/32   Duration:
302   Lift: .502"   RPM range: 4800-7700 rpm.  It doesn't look like this
cam is for the faint of heart. If anyone on the list is interested in
the cam or selling a seat frame please email me off list.
  Thanks - Ed
billb at bnj.com
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 24 13:23:01 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:23:01 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Nylatron Rocker Arm Spacers-Offered  @  $20/set
Message-ID: <41D77A26.0CC3034F.00159EE9@cs.com>

FoT List:

We ran Road America with a set of these ROCKER ARM SPACERS. Trial was very successful.  

Now have several sets available.

Lighter weight than steel
Closer tolerances than steel
Lower cost than steel.
Grey "marble" looks like metal
Unconditionally guaranteed.

$20/set to FoT including postage.

One time offer to Triumph Lists.

Available through Distibutors, soon.

TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

A.R.E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648

N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal  

Thanks....


From Cofrog at aol.com  Sun Jun 24 15:42:58 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:42:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
Message-ID: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>

Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion.  He went thru drivers  school 
in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La  Junta 
in July.  Any seconds?  His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) .  
Dan Forgey



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From billsohl at optonline.net  Sun Jun 24 16:56:56 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 18:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 2nd - Re:  Nomination - Jim Gray
In-Reply-To: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
References: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4DC8844651E64BB394CE31EC4A00430D@SohlPC>

I second the nomination.

Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cofrog at aol.com>
To: <FOT at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:42 PM
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray


> Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion.  He went thru drivers 
> school
> in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La 
> Junta
> in July.  Any seconds?  His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_
> (mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) .
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 24 17:40:49 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
In-Reply-To: <d40.c629110.33b03f62@aol.com>
Message-ID: <59124.79940.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Heck with an email address like that he has to be okay, third.

Cofrog at aol.com wrote:  Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion. He went thru drivers school 
in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La Junta 
in July. Any seconds? His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
(mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) . 
Dan Forgey



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From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 24 17:46:05 2007
From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:46:05 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination-Jim Gray
Message-ID: <062420072346.2349.467F023D0002B1610000092D2160376021990E04D2069D@att.net>

I third the nomination.  Even though my TR-4A is raced in California, I like to see fellow Coloradoans on the list.  Jim, hope to meet you soon. Are you sure the e-mail is toodamnfunky? Are you using your teenagers e-mail?
Western Eagle Racing
Ron Jacobs


From BLUEBIT at comcast.net  Mon Jun 25 08:12:42 2007
From: BLUEBIT at comcast.net (Jim Roelofs)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 14:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Nomination - Jim Gray
Message-ID: <062520071412.2594.467FCD5A0005333D00000A222200735446ABB7BDBAAAB4BD@comcast.net>

I was his instructor - I second.

Jim Roelofs

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Ernest Husmann <ehusmann53 at yahoo.com> 

> Heck with an email address like that he has to be okay, third. 
> 
> Cofrog at aol.com wrote: Would like to nominate Jim Gray for inclusion. He went 
> thru drivers school 
> in RMVR and is working on his TR4A to run in our upcoming event in La Junta 
> in July. Any seconds? His e-mail is _Toodamnfunky at comcast.net_ 
> (mailto:Toodamnfunky at comcast.net) . 
> Dan Forgey 
> 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 25 10:16:41 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 12:16:41 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Nylatron Spacers for TR3 & TR4 Rocker Arms
Message-ID: <bcf.182e2da9.33b14469@cs.com>

Commercial Content:

If you are interested in a picture, look at eBay Item:

Item number:              170124440477  
    
Wont make you go measurably faster, but they are cool looking.

They also fit Ted Schumacher's Roller Rockers, btw.

Thanks

N197tr4 at cs.com


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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Mon Jun 25 20:29:37 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:29:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS
Message-ID: <cea.12a884df.33b1d411@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 6/25/2007 10:59:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


> We ran Road America with a set of these ROCKER ARM SPACERS. Trial was very
> successful.
>
> Now have several sets available.
>
> Lighter weight than steel
> Closer tolerances than steel
> Lower cost than steel.
> Grey "marble" looks like metal
> Unconditionally guaranteed.
>
> $20/set to FoT including postage.
>
> One time offer to Triumph Lists.
>
> Available through Distibutors, soon.
>
> TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

>>>I would like some of those, please for my VItesse engine (same as GT6+)

BTW, the stainless steel Weber 40DCOE heat shields fitted very well, missing
all my headers etc.
>
> A.R.E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>
> N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal
>
> Thanks....

Best Regards,

Lion

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HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho
ts.com/user/vitesse1963</A>


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jun 25 20:36:52 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 22:36:52 EDT
Subject: [Fot]  TR6/GT6/Spitfire Rocker Arm SPACERS
Message-ID: <c6f.12047988.33b1d5c4@cs.com>

> TR6/GT6/Spitfire SPACERS .planned with any level of encouragement.

Joe,

I would like some of those, please for my VItesse engine (same as GT6+)

BTW, the stainless steel Weber 40DCOE heat shields fitted very well, missing
all my headers etc.
>
Leon,

I plan to start on them this week, for the Vittesse, GT6, and TR6.

Close to the same price as TR3/4...more spacers (5) but about the same amount 
of material cost.

Thanks for the feedback on the Weber heatshield fitment.

Joe

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From awashatko at wi.rr.com  Mon Jun 25 22:15:51 2007
From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko)
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 23:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR6 Fenders
Message-ID: <3d40bfd3867e6a421053af71a168fb9d@wi.rr.com>

I received a message from a Vince DePalma regarding TR6 fenders.  Can 
Vince please contact me off-line as my e-mail responses keep coming 
back to me undeliverable?

Thanks,

Allen

Jody & Allen Washatko
N65 W5567 Columbia Road
Cedarburg, WI. 53012
USA

tel. (262) 375-6888


From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Jun 26 09:44:59 2007
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
Message-ID: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>

> Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is crap.

Check out 

	http://www.dimebank.com/monster/swish.cgi?query=paeco

and decide for yourself...


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jun 26 11:55:55 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:55:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
Message-ID: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
frame.   
 
Thanks
 
Jim Norlin


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 26 12:32:05 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:32:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] PAECO
Message-ID: <BAY115-F186006C71CDC3C5DEC70308C0B0@phx.gbl>

Amici,

I cannot speak for PAECO's other products, but I bought a set of short 
velocity stacks for the 3 DCOEs.  None of them fit; the OD-ID dimension 
varied by 5-15 thous between each stack, always too thick, and the depths of 
the stack throat varied by up to 50 thous, always too long.  Rather than 
returning them, I spent 4 hours milling them to size.

I hope that their other products are manufactured closer to spec.  Otherwise 
they will make Taiwanese repro parts look good.

Shane Ingate in Maryland

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jun 26 12:56:54 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:56:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Looking for and selling bits
In-Reply-To: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>
References: <200706261544.l5QFixQo023403@moose.dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <8C9863AE61E4C65-146C-5753@webmail-da19.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com>

> Not to put too fine a point on it, but most of the Paeco stuff is 
crap.

Check out

    http://www.dimebank.com/monster/swish.cgi?query=paeco

and decide for yourself...

==AM==
...and seems I've been hearing mostly bad things about them since well 
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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Tue Jun 26 15:06:46 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:06:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>

Stahl is the only way to go!
Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an 1147, but 
you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut out a 
portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth it. You 
will notice the difference.

Russ Moore

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers


> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
> frame.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim Norlin
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 17:02:04 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:02:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>

I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
convention??
I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
Roadster Factory.
Thanks in Advance
Glenn
72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's


From gaf3 at charter.net  Tue Jun 26 17:08:08 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:08:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
In-Reply-To: <005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
	<005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
Message-ID: <46819C58.80002@charter.net>

Russ Moore wrote:
> Stahl is the only way to go!
> Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an 1147, but 
> you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut out a 
> portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth it. You 
> will notice the difference.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will stay
>> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder says I
>> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor he's
>> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far are
>> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below the
>> frame.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Norlin
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> rem9 at frontiernet.net
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>   
I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the 
dipstick tube as well.
Glenn
72 spit racer under construction


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Tue Jun 26 17:11:32 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:11:32 -0500
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
In-Reply-To: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>
References: <46819AEC.2030009@charter.net>
Message-ID: <46819D24.50305@141.com>

Hi Glenn!

We're RV camping, and I believe the Alexanders will be tent camping, at 
the French Creek State Park.  It was the closest overnight camping to 
the event, about 20 miles away, and rates were great!  To make 
reservations call 888/PA-PARKS. 

Hope to see you there!

Susan        :)


Glenn Franco wrote:
> I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
> convention??
> I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
> Roadster Factory.
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn
> 72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Tue Jun 26 17:45:11 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:45:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
References: <001e01c7b81b$3fd15660$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP><005601c7b835$e94db570$03fea8c0@remsec1>
	<46819C58.80002@charter.net>
Message-ID: <00f601c7b84c$0b9751c0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Dipstick -- on  mine the dipstick hole is tapped for a plug with a hex head 
that removes with a socket or wrench. Yeah, you don't want to check oil 
level with the headers hot (but I've done it -- carefully). That pretty well 
solves the interference item.

--Rocky Entriken

> I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the
> dipstick tube as well.
> Glenn
> 72 spit racer under construction
> _______________________________________________


From trmarty at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 26 19:45:28 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 21:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T-shirt order
Message-ID: <BAY123-W5DC65CFC91147ED0576A6BA0A0@phx.gbl>

  Ok folks the FOT T-shirts are now being printed.  They might be ready to
ship by the end of next week. Starting next Monday July 2nd you need to
contact Ted Schumacher and arrange payment. You can contact Ted by phone at
419-384-3022 or email at tedtsimx at bright.net.  Thanks,Marty Sukey
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Tue Jun 26 19:46:36 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 20:46:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <4681C17C.4070103@141.com>

Hey everyone,

This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have 
been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner 
of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely 
caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for 
driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they 
missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something 
else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me 
the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his 
Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in 
on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and 
pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I 
didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.

***************************

With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday 
evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several 
months and now suffers no more. 
Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing 
through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens 
family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over 
the country including many from CVAR.
Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a 
legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a 
very long time.
Bob Green

****************************

R.I.P., Mike.  

Susan 


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From kaskas at cox.net  Tue Jun 26 23:46:52 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:46:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
References: <4681C17C.4070103@141.com>
Message-ID: <007401c7b87e$90819530$280fc548@RWKastner>

Just a wonderful great great guy.  I hope he is fitted  with a turbocharger
and  never loses another race.  He deserves to win  them all. We all have been
winners having been around him.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susan Kahler
  To: Fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:46 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett


  Hey everyone,

  This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have
  been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner
  of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely
  caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for
  driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they
  missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something
  else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me
  the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his
  Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in
  on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and
  pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I
  didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.

  ***************************

  With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
  Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday
  evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several
  months and now suffers no more.
  Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing
  through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
  Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens
  family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over
  the country including many from CVAR.
  Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a
  legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a
  very long time.
  Bob Green

  ****************************

  R.I.P., Mike.

  Susan


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 07:38:23 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <02E6633F.3694B8F4.00159EE9@cs.com>

Glad we (FoT) went to Hallett when we did. 

"Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:

>Just a wonderful great great guy.  I hope he is fitted  with a turbocharger
>and  never loses another race.  He deserves to win  them all. We all have been
>winners having been around him.
>
>Never Be beaten by Equipment
>Kas Kastner
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Susan Kahler
>  To: Fot at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:46 PM
>  Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
>
>
>  Hey everyone,
>
>  This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have
>  been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner
>  of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely
>  caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for
>  driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they
>  missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something
>  else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me
>  the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his
>  Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in
>  on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and
>  pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I
>  didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.
>
>  ***************************
>
>  With a heavy heart I pass this information along to you all.
>  Mike Stephens passed away at home after a long illness on Saturday
>  evening (6/23/07). As most of you know Mike had been ill for several
>  months and now suffers no more.
>  Mike was an old friend from my SCCA and NASA days and continuing
>  through current CVAR events, he will be missed.
>  Our thoughts are with Connie, Scott, Shane and all of the Stephens
>  family. That extended family included hundreds of racers from all over
>  the country including many from CVAR.
>  Mike was a true patron of the sport of road racing and has left a
>  legacy in HMRC that will be a part of the sport that he loved for a
>  very long time.
>  Bob Green
>
>  ****************************
>
>  R.I.P., Mike.
>
>  Susan
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 07:42:38 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:42:38 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Sad news from Hallett
Message-ID: <d68.a2caf2b.33b3c34e@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/26/2007 8:47:09 PM Central Daylight Time, 
spitfiresuz at 141.com writes:


> This was posted on the CVAR group on Yahoo.  For those of you who have 
> been to Hallett, you will remember Mike (general manager and then owner 
> of the Hallett Motor Racing Circuit) as being very involved, genuinely 
> caring and with an absolute love of the sport.  I was scheduled for 
> driver's school with his sons (who ran it) in 1998 or so, and they 
> missed putting me on the schedule somehow, so they went to do something 
> else that weekend.  Mike gave me a one-on-one driver school, showing me 
> the Spitfire lines around the track (he was an ex-Spit racer) in his 
> Chevy-powered Jag, then letting me drive the beast.  He would check in 
> on me over the weekend and see how I was doing, and give me tips and 
> pointers.  He always came to say hi when we were at the track, if I 
> didn't get to him first.  I will miss him.
> 

Susan...

Sad indeed.  Only been to HALLETT once, but that was enough to make me aware 
that they sat on the Top Shelf of the club courses I've raced at.  They earned 
that position because of the 'we're all family' atmosphere they have.  I have 
never felt more welcome than I did at HALLET.  I live an hour and one half 
from ROAD AMERICA, and race there at least three times per year.  Of course, 
it's great.  I also make MID-OHIO and WATKINS GLEN each year.  All super 
circuits.  But there is a different, connected feeling one gets racing at the smaller, 
club venues like BLACKHAWK, GRATTAN, HALLETT and so on.  It comes from the 
people who own and run them, like Mike, his family, and their hands-on style.  
May he Rest in Peace, and may his family carry on.

Bill Dentinger
           


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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 09:03:04 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:03:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <c30.15cac1b0.33b3d628@cs.com>

Glenn & FoT

I would like to tent camp at TRF, but I dont think Charles has shower 
facilities?

I may look for offsite commercial campsites, but prefer to locate at TRF.

Any ideas out there?

Will plan to camp at Brad & Susan's location at VTR...French Creek...and 
wonder if Don E. would consider this location, too.

Joe (A)


> I know this has been discussed, but  is anyone camping at the VTR 
> convention??
> I have had a change in plans and want to attend both VTR and the 
> Roadster Factory.
> Thanks in Advance
> Glenn
> 72 Spit racer under construction and too many TR's
> 

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:11:04 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:11:04 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <bcd.d4a9054.33b3d808@aol.com>

In a message dated 06/27/2007 10:03:21 AM Central Daylight Time, 
N197TR4 at cs.com writes:


> I would like to tent camp at TRF, but I dont think Charles has shower 
> facilities?
> 
> 

That's ridiculous.  

I've known Charles for years, and he is always clean, fresh, and neat (albeit 
a little preppy by Wisconsin standards).

Bill (Damdinger)



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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 09:15:19 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:15:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
Message-ID: <000c01c7b8cd$fa216ed0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I am planning on being there with my GT6.  Any other Triumphs going to be
racing?
I'll be coming in Thurs afternoon.  Scott Janzen


From chasgee at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 09:23:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>

Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller 
Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look for the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it will be fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.

We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.

If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.

And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after Sunday's race!

See you there,

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 27 09:41:10 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 09:41:10 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
In-Reply-To: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <46828516.8000505@bradakis.com>

I plan on hanging out and making a pest of myself at various
times friday, saturday and sunday.  It should be a good time.

The weather will be hot and dry, afternoon temps in the upper
90s, if not 100.  Check http://www.ksl.com  for local weather
conditions.

I have not been out to the track yet this season, but I've heard
that there are issues with water rights.  What this means is that
the ground cover planned for LarryLand is not in place yet,
there is a lot of bare dirt area around the place.  That translates
to blowing dust.  Fun.

See you at the track!

mjb.


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 27 09:49:33 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:49:33 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
References: <8C986E6367D3D2A-CC-A84@WEBMAIL-MC11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003701c7b8d2$c204dcd0$0301000a@Chowdown>

Man, I wish I could bring my TR3.  I'll see you guys there NEXT time for 
sure.  Have fun!
See y'all in Fontana.

~S Belfer


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <chasgee at aol.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:23 AM
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!


> Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller
> Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look 
> for the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it 
> will be fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.
>
> We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get 
> together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has 
> it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I 
> guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure 
> Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well and if you're lucky, 
> she'll sign one for you too.
>
> If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your 
> mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up 
> when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.
>
> And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after 
> Sunday's race!
>
> See you there,
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
>
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 09:57:54 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
In-Reply-To: <46828516.8000505@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <319455.91044.qm@web58915.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Wow, I was feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't make the trip until I read Mark's weather update; now I'm feeling sorry for everyone including myself.
   
  Regardless of the weather and ground cover issues, I'm sure Ms. Peg will whip you bunch of sorry excuses into some type of respectable presentation.  Please keep those of us who are not making the trip informed.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
  I plan on hanging out and making a pest of myself at various
times friday, saturday and sunday. It should be a good time.

The weather will be hot and dry, afternoon temps in the upper
90s, if not 100. Check http://www.ksl.com for local weather
conditions.

I have not been out to the track yet this season, but I've heard
that there are issues with water rights. What this means is that
the ground cover planned for LarryLand is not in place yet,
there is a lot of bare dirt area around the place. That translates
to blowing dust. Fun.

See you at the track!

mjb.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 10:03:55 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:03:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] VTR Camping
Message-ID: <c45.18877ee7.33b3e46b@cs.com>

Jan & I do not want to take a shower with Charles, just use his facilities.


> That's ridiculous.  
> 
> I've known Charles for years, and he is always clean, fresh, and neat 
> (albeit a little preppy by Wisconsin standards).
> 
> Bill (Damdinger)
> 

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Wed Jun 27 10:24:27 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:24:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <BAY102-W1086A08702B03AD88D9436900A0@phx.gbl>

See you there,  We leave tomorrow at dawn, to challenge (albeit weakly) the
Triumph Hoardes..........................Henry, Connor, Jake & Elva Courier>
To: FOT at autox.team.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400> From:
chasgee at aol.com> Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this
weekend!> > Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller >
Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, please look for
the large black three car hauler we brought to Hallett last year - it will be
fun to pit together.? We should be there late Thursday afternoon.> > We have a
few things planned for the weekend including a champagne get together Saturday
night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? Rumor has it she's bringing that
stick in the mud husband of hers as well, so I guess we'll have to put up with
him too.? Should be good times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book
for sale as well and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.> > If
you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to change your mind.?
I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy to sign you up when you
arrive.? We'd love to have you there and join in the festivities.> > And don't
forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented after Sunday's race!> >
See you there,> > Chuck Gee> Blacksmith Racing> Spitfire> > >
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jun 27 10:34:10 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:34:10 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <cfc.1302583e.33b3eb82@cs.com>

But it is a DRY HEAT...still sorry I can't make it.






> Wow, I was feeling sorry for myself that I couldn't make the trip until I 
> read Mark's weather update; now I'm feeling sorry for everyone including 
> myself.
>    
>   Regardless of the weather and ground cover issues, I'm sure Ms. Peg will 
> whip you bunch of sorry excuses into some type of respectable presentation.  
> Please keep those of us who are not making the trip informed.
> 
> 

   </HTML>


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jun 27 11:21:56 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:21:56 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Fot] Thrillah at Millah
Message-ID: <20070627172156.1FAF7BBE47@bradakis.com>

Gee, I better get the air conditioning working again
in my little Civic.  No big deal, I just didn't the
compressor belt back on when I replaced the water pump
a while back.

Hmmm, maybe I'll look into renting a bigger car, something
that can haul a handful of folks into town for a beer run
or dinner at Tracks Brewery or some such.

mjb.


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Wed Jun 27 11:18:37 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:18:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Kastner Cup Thriller at Miller - this weekend!
Message-ID: <20070627.111838.-218027.2.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

This should be a great weekend. I've heard mention that they will play
Grand Prix on the Jumbotron Saturday evening. The Full Strawberry Moon
will rise about 7:43 PM on Saturday as well, and should do so from a
clear horizon.
If any of you get too hot, pop into Race Control and say Hi and cool off
a bit.
I've been watching the Superbikes on the perimeter track, running in the
1:50s, averaging in the high 90s. They also confirm dust!
Looking forward to seeing everyone!
Bill

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:13 -0400 chasgee at aol.com writes:
> Well, we're packing up and leaving tonight for Miller 
> Motorsports Park.? Can't wait to get there.? If you are going, 
> please look for the large black three car hauler we brought to 
> Hallett last year - it will be fun to pit together.? We should be 
> there late Thursday afternoon.
> 
> We have a few things planned for the weekend including a champagne 
> get together Saturday night with our gust of honor, Peggy Kastner.? 
> Rumor has it she's bringing that stick in the mud husband of hers as 
> well, so I guess we'll have to put up with him too.? Should be good 
> times.? I'm sure Peggy will have copies of her book for sale as well 
> and if you're lucky, she'll sign one for you too.
> 
> If you're not planning on making the trip, its not too late to 
> change your mind.? I'm sure Jimmy at Nostalgia Racing will be happy 
> to sign you up when you arrive.? We'd love to have you there and 
> join in the festivities.
> 
> And don't forget, the prestigious Kastner Cup will be presented 
> after Sunday's race!
> 
> See you there,
> 
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
> 
> 
>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jun 27 16:49:31 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:49:31 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Michael R. Stephens Victory Circle
Message-ID: <4682E97B.7010602@141.com>

Hi everyone,

Here's another one from CVAR:

CVAR Members,

The Stephens Family has invited all to a July 4th celebration in 
Mike's honor at Hallett which will include fire works, food and great 
memories. 

One of Mike's dreams was a proper Victory Circle at Hallett and the 
Stephens Family want to make that happen in his name and in honor of 
his many years of looking out for his fellow racers.

A fund has been established for that purpose and donations are being 
accepted from fellow racers to construct the MICHAEL ROSS STEPHENS 
VICTORY CIRCLE at Hallett.

CVAR will donate $600.00 and is accepting donations from CVAR members 
that will be added to this figure. We are hoping for a nice number in 
memory of Mike and the entire Stephens family for all that they have 
meant to us over the years.

Please send your donations to our Treasurer;
John Gaudette
22210 Prince George Ln.
Katy, Texas  77449
We will keep this opportunity open until July Th.

It is the Corinthian thing to do.
Bob Green V.P. & Chief Steward
CVAR



-- 
*****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Wed Jun 27 20:08:07 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
In-Reply-To: <46819C58.80002@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7b929$2bc077a0$2b24b348@blake1>

Has anyone used the Stahl TR4 header for the 3 or 4?

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Glenn Franco
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:08 PM
To: Russ Moore
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Spitfire Headers

Russ Moore wrote:
> Stahl is the only way to go!
> Anything else is a waste of money. The stock Mk2 is not bad for an
1147, but 
> you'll never regret the Stahl once you put it on. You will need to cut
out a 
> portion of the belhousing and the rear engine plate, but it's worth
it. You 
> will notice the difference.
>
> Russ Moore
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Norlin Engineering" <norlinengineering at comcast.net>
> To: <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 1:55 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Headers
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know of a ready source for Spitfire headers that will
stay
>> tucked up in the frame?  This is for a 1300 and the engine builder
says I
>> should stick with a  tri wye design for the prep level of the motor
he's
>> building.  The headers available from the sources I've found so far
are
>> apparently for street cars since they hang 1 1/2 to 2 inches below
the
>> frame.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jim Norlin
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>   
I also have a set of Stall headers and I have an interference with the 
dipstick tube as well.
Glenn
72 spit racer under construction
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Wed Jun 27 20:18:05 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:18:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day,
 TRF Summer  Party & VTR
Message-ID: <00b301c7b92a$9024e310$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts:

Wow a lot of discussion these past few weeks about events associated with our
cars and what's happening throughout Pennsylvania in early July. I'd like to
plug the early part of these events for those of you interested in
participating in the TRF Summer Party prior to VTR. Charles has written about
his Summer Party Plans which include one of the premier if not the most unique
Vintage Sports Car Races being held for it's 25th year.

It's the PVGP or the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, Here is a link to an
article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and a link to the PVGP Web page too.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07178/797518-100.stm
http://www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com/pvgp/site/default.asp

There is no cost for viewing this event but parking is not easy either. There
is a simple solution for that too and it's the 27th annual Western
Pennsylvania Triumph Association's British Car Day held on the Schenley Park
Golf Course overlooking the race track which winds it's way through the park
roads and adjoining city streets of the Oakland section of Pittsburgh. Oakland
is where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University are
located. For the entrance fee of $20.00 you get to park your British Car
(only) among the other BCD Entrants which in the past have totaled close to
400 cars. In addition to the races and BCD there are several other special
marque car shows both domestic and foreign. It's an overdose of the motoring
hobby.


Here is a link to the registration form and more information about WPTA's
BCD.

http://wptriumph.org/bcd/bcd2007.html

If you are planning to participate in the TRF Summer Party this is the main
Saturday event and it's one you don't want to miss. I encourage you to
register for BCD using the above link to the WPTA. You can register the day of
the show but it will cost a little more and may result in a delay entering the
show field. The fees are donated to the Charities of the PVGP and you can read
all about them on the PVGP web site.

I invite and hope to see many of you there.

Regards to all.
Jerry Van Vlack

PS if the links don't work for some reason write to me and I'll send them to
you on an individual basis.


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 27 20:55:04 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:55:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
In-Reply-To: <000c01c7b8cd$fa216ed0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096844@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I'll be there--both Beaverun and PVGP are stops on the All Aluminum
tour.

Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
along a third testicle. Two just ain't enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:15 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8

I am planning on being there with my GT6.  Any other Triumphs going to
be racing?
I'll be coming in Thurs afternoon.  Scott Janzen
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jun 27 21:02:52 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day,
 TRF  Summer  Party & VTR
In-Reply-To: <00b301c7b92a$9024e310$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096845@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I'll be there with Peyote. I'd love to join the other Triumphs, but I
suspect an insufficient number of WPTA people have had recent tetanus
shots, so I'll just stick to the pits. Diane will have her Bentley
though--it's being stored in Pittsburg while we're doing this All
Aluminum tour thing. We should get her to wear her chauffeur hat and
drive us around.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 7:18 PM
To: Triumphs; FOT
Subject: [Fot] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, British Car Day, TRF
Summer Party & VTR

Fellow Triumph Enthusiasts:

Wow a lot of discussion these past few weeks about events associated
with our cars and what's happening throughout Pennsylvania in early
July. I'd like to plug the early part of these events for those of you
interested in participating in the TRF Summer Party prior to VTR.
Charles has written about his Summer Party Plans which include one of
the premier if not the most unique Vintage Sports Car Races being held
for it's 25th year.

It's the PVGP or the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix, Here is a link to an
article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette and a link to the PVGP Web page
too.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07178/797518-100.stm
http://www.pittsburghvintagegrandprix.com/pvgp/site/default.asp

There is no cost for viewing this event but parking is not easy either.
There is a simple solution for that too and it's the 27th annual Western
Pennsylvania Triumph Association's British Car Day held on the Schenley
Park Golf Course overlooking the race track which winds it's way through
the park roads and adjoining city streets of the Oakland section of
Pittsburgh. Oakland is where the University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie
Mellon University are located. For the entrance fee of $20.00 you get to
park your British Car
(only) among the other BCD Entrants which in the past have totaled close
to 400 cars. In addition to the races and BCD there are several other
special marque car shows both domestic and foreign. It's an overdose of
the motoring hobby.


Here is a link to the registration form and more information about
WPTA's BCD.

http://wptriumph.org/bcd/bcd2007.html

If you are planning to participate in the TRF Summer Party this is the
main Saturday event and it's one you don't want to miss. I encourage you
to register for BCD using the above link to the WPTA. You can register
the day of the show but it will cost a little more and may result in a
delay entering the show field. The fees are donated to the Charities of
the PVGP and you can read all about them on the PVGP web site.

I invite and hope to see many of you there.

Regards to all.
Jerry Van Vlack

PS if the links don't work for some reason write to me and I'll send
them to you on an individual basis.
billb at bnj.com
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jun 28 06:57:29 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
Message-ID: <000a01c7b983$e232b0e6$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?

I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my least
favorite four letter word...

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Babcock"
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8

Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring


From simon at telephonestogo.ca  Thu Jun 28 07:59:58 2007
From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:59:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
Message-ID: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>

I enjoyed a brief meeting with Bill Babcock and the fabled Peyote at Mosport
last weekend, and enjoyed seeing the car in action.
I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the final
"e" in the car's name, and possibly he was placed in a rather tough class with
some much more modern machinery, but I think he and the Lotus 11 put on a good
show!

I was on the outside of Turn 3 for Peyote's  last race on Sunday afternoon,
and thought the car didn't sound quite right on the short chute down to Turn
4, hope I was wrong or that it was something minor.
Hope we'll see you back next year, Bill!
Simon.


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 28 08:17:36 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:17:36 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
In-Reply-To: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F13E70C3B81FC0056523EE2D2090@phx.gbl>

>I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the 
>final
>"e" in the car's name,

'Probably never heard it before... so he didn't know how to say it...

Afterall we're "serious racer here... no one would name a car in fun (like 
Ardent Alligator, Fitch's Bitch or Pooper) even if looked like it was 
designed by someone who was high on something.

Maybe he never heard of "magic mushrooms" either.

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jun 28 09:16:07 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:16:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Mosport
In-Reply-To: <025801c7b98c$9d64afd0$3464a8c0@SIMON>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096849@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

The class got a lot tougher after all the guys slower than me went home.
Peyote wasn't running as sweetly as normal. I have a nasty feeling I
should pull the head off and take a look, but I'll fiddle with
everything else before I finally bite the bullet and look for aluminum
smears.

Compression is good, engine turns easily, but its down on power and
stumbles after a lift. I'd usually say ignition, and maybe carburetion,
but I've worked on this car long enough to know it's probably in the
guts.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Simon Rasmussen
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:00 AM
To: Friends of Triumph
Subject: [Fot] Mosport

I enjoyed a brief meeting with Bill Babcock and the fabled Peyote at
Mosport last weekend, and enjoyed seeing the car in action.
I did think the track announcer should have been able to pronounce the
final "e" in the car's name, and possibly he was placed in a rather
tough class with some much more modern machinery, but I think he and the
Lotus 11 put on a good show!

I was on the outside of Turn 3 for Peyote's  last race on Sunday
afternoon, and thought the car didn't sound quite right on the short
chute down to Turn 4, hope I was wrong or that it was something minor.
Hope we'll see you back next year, Bill!
Simon.
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 09:27:45 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
Message-ID: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>

Amici,

For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill DeWar, Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to help.? We could use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday afternoon and Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is scheduled for 2-4:30 pm Wed.

Let me know if you can help..

Thanks!!

Rich Rock
Pottstwon, PA
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jun 28 10:12:54 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:12:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

Sorry I can't be there to defend my FTD title from last year (in spite of
the fact that they didn't give me the plaque because I have Honda Power in
my Spit).

Joe C.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rikrock at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross


> Amici,
>
> For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill
DeWar, Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to
help.? We could use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday
afternoon and Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is
scheduled for 2-4:30 pm Wed.
>
> Let me know if you can help..
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Rich Rock
> Pottstwon, PA
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 28 11:38:45 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:38:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Axle Conversion
In-Reply-To: <cf5.ece055d.33b544b0@aol.com>
References: <cf5.ece055d.33b544b0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0706281038k5e29d2d4h10925b0b1f2367a3@mail.gmail.com>

At this time, no -- but I do have a set of trailing arms that have Corvair
hub mods in them.  I was selling them to Charly Mitchel, but he decided they
were too "rough" for his needs.  They came of the TR250 race car I bought
and probably had not been used since the early eighites.  Also, for about
the cost of a corvair conversion, Goodparts now offers what I think is the
best solution  and that is a hub assembly with CV joints.  Cost is $799 a
side.
See
http://goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=20

On 6/28/07, LOddTR at aol.com <LOddTR at aol.com> wrote:
>
>  Chuck,
>
> Craig Wensley passed on to me your documentation of the TR6 axle/hub
> conversion. Do you by chance supply these units for the feint of heart?
>
> Leo Oddi
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> See what's free at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503>.
>
>



-- 
Chuck Arnold


From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 12:37:11 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:37:11 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
In-Reply-To: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C987CA79C857BA-284-4936@WEBMAIL-DF08.sysops.aol.com>

Apologies for the question marks in my original post.? I have no idea how they got in.

Rich Rock

-----Original Message-----
From: rikrock at aol.com
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:27 am
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross



Amici,

For some reason I agreed to "MAKE IT HAPPEN".? Local FOT members ?Bill DeWar, 
Dave Yeager, Scott Janzen, and Richard Good have also agreed to help.? We could 
use some help, especially with tech inspection on Wednesday afternoon and 
Thursday morning.? (The autox is on Thursday)?Tech is scheduled for 2-4:30 pm 
Wed.

Let me know if you can help..

Thanks!!

Rich Rock
Pottstwon, PA
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jun 28 13:26:04 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:26:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross FTD
In-Reply-To: <003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <8C987B002AE0DB0-C8C-4255@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com>
	<003a01c7b99f$2f39bc40$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <8C987D14DA52F6C-1C58-4CE9@FWM-R03.sysops.aol.com>

Joe, I feel your pain.? My Cortina-powered TVR won't be eligible either.? Too bad none of my Triumphs or my TR6-powered TVR are ready.??

 I'll have to disqualify myself regardless, since I'll be involved withh the design and setup of the course.? Oh well.? I may bring the car and take some runs anyhow.

In the meantime, let the speculatin' and trash-talkin'? begin ;-)

Rich Rock 
(who found no question marks in the text of this message before hitting "send")


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net; rikrock at aol.com
Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autocross



Sorry I can't be there to defend my FTD title from last year (in spite of
the fact that they didn't give me the plaque because I have Honda Power in
my Spit).

Joe C


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From rem9 at frontiernet.net  Thu Jun 28 15:06:28 2007
From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:06:28 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
References: <000a01c7b983$e232b0e6$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <019801c7b9c8$34e8d3a0$03fea8c0@remsec1>

I second the motion. I would have been there but for the poor judgement of a 
Sprite jockeyess last year on turn eight. The car is still in progress. I 
hope to have it back in time to run the September Mosport event and maybe 
VSCDA's event at MidOhio. I have boycotted MO for the past number of years 
after experiencing their jack booted security gestapo, being fleezed for 
motorhome parking in the mud, and being yelled at by morons. It's my 
understanding all has changed. From Bill Dentinger's description, their 
event is quite the opposite of my past experiences out there. Bill's word is 
good enough for me.
******
At Mosport, the whole combination of turns from 1 thru 5B is just fantastic. 
No other word for it. Turn 2 is said to have given a number of folks new 
found religion the first couple of times through.

The track is wonderful, the Canadian hosts are spectacular and the 
hospitality is top shelf. There's a whole different attitude north of the 
border and it's one I wish would return to some of the larger corporate 
sanctioning bodies here. That and the seat time is twice as much as some 
corporate held venues.

Russ Moore


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
Cc: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport


> Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
> adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?
>
> I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my least
> favorite four letter word...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Babcock"
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
>
> Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
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From BillB at bnj.com  Fri Jun 29 05:59:47 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 04:59:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport
In-Reply-To: <019801c7b9c8$34e8d3a0$03fea8c0@remsec1>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096850@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I think there are religious experiences available every time you go
though turn two. I also agree about Canadian hosts, though I wouldn't
engourage the president of VSCDA to continue singing over the PA system.
Once through that odd version of "Roamin' in the Gloamin' is enough for
one year.

-----Original Message-----
From: Russ Moore [mailto:rem9 at frontiernet.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:06 PM
To: Henry Frye; Bill Babcock
Cc: Amici Triumphi
Subject: Re: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport

I second the motion. I would have been there but for the poor judgement
of a Sprite jockeyess last year on turn eight. The car is still in
progress. I hope to have it back in time to run the September Mosport
event and maybe VSCDA's event at MidOhio. I have boycotted MO for the
past number of years after experiencing their jack booted security
gestapo, being fleezed for motorhome parking in the mud, and being
yelled at by morons. It's my understanding all has changed. From Bill
Dentinger's description, their event is quite the opposite of my past
experiences out there. Bill's word is good enough for me.
******
At Mosport, the whole combination of turns from 1 thru 5B is just
fantastic.
No other word for it. Turn 2 is said to have given a number of folks new
found religion the first couple of times through.

The track is wonderful, the Canadian hosts are spectacular and the
hospitality is top shelf. There's a whole different attitude north of
the border and it's one I wish would return to some of the larger
corporate sanctioning bodies here. That and the seat time is twice as
much as some corporate held venues.

Russ Moore


----- Original Message -----
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
Cc: "Amici Triumphi" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] Was Beaverun, now Mosport


> Glad you enjoyed the track, Bill. It is my favorite. No track gets my
> adrenilen pumping like Mosport. Did you enjoy Turn 2?
>
> I am sorry I couldn't make it this year for the Festival. Work is my
least
> favorite four letter word...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Bill Babcock"
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaverun July 6-8
>
> Incidentally, if you ever decide to race Mosport, make sure you bring
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 29 10:16:43 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe's Velocity Stacks
In-Reply-To: <cfe.11130e1c.33b68488@cs.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F11A010172180FF6A9B61B28C080@phx.gbl>

Joe,

That sounds like a terrific idea, , and one that I would buy a new set.  It 
would be really cool if the horn radius was larger, much like the neato-SU 
horns:
http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/productdetails.asp?RecId=1257
It is important not to have stacks that bolt to the DCOE (like the previous 
link); they need to be a slide-in fitting because that is what holds the 
choke in place.  Alternately, a 2-piece stack could be made - a collar that 
holds the choke in place, and then the radiused horn.

There are a couple of subtleties that you should be aware of.  The K&N 
filter bases do not have wide enough holes for the stacks to fit.  At least 
with the PAECO stacks that I have, there is a collar on the stacks that are 
for the screw-on tabs to hold the stack in place; this collar prevents the 
K&N filter base from seating correctly.  I enlarged the holes in the base 
plate to accommodate the collar.  I can take a photo of this if my 
description has you confused.

Here is another idea for you.  How about an airbox for triple DCOEs?  
Richard Good has them for his Stromberg/SU manifolds, but not Webers, so the 
market appears open right now.

Great stuff Joe, keep the products coming!

Shane

http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=4

----Original Message Follows----
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
To: hottr6 at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] PAECO....now Joe's Velocity Stacks
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:51:36 EDT

sometime this year, I'd like to expand my offerings of velocity stacks and a
new product that allow the adaptation of a variety of K & N Filters to
Strombergs & SU.

I hope to do them in stainless steel with laser welding of the 
circumference.

whaddya think?  Joe

 > Amici,
 >
 > I cannot speak for PAECO's other products, but I bought a set of short
 > velocity stacks for the 3 DCOEs.  None of them fit; the OD-ID dimension
 > varied by 5-15 thous between each stack, always too thick, and the depths 
of
 > the stack throat varied by up to 50 thous, always too long.  Rather than
 > returning them, I spent 4 hours milling them to size.
 >
 > I hope that their other products are manufactured closer to spec.  
Otherwise
 > they will make Taiwanese repro parts look good.
 >
 > Shane Ingate in Maryland
 >
 >

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jun 29 21:59:08 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:59:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Initial report
Message-ID: <4685D50C.2070309@bradakis.com>

The intention:   Sitting here at the keyboard after a nice shower to 
wash off the
sweat and dust and oil from an afternoon at the track, letting folks 
know how
things are going for the FOT gang at the Thriller at Miller.


The reality: Sitting here at the keyboard after a nice shower to wash 
off the
sweat and dust and oil from an afternoon of whacking on an immobile
Honda, working on getting it far enough to the side of the driveway to
let my wife move in and out of the garage without major hassle.  Cars
are easier to move if all four wheels are actually attached.


Coming home last night after a repair to yet another leaking coolant hose
I noticed that the steering in the little Civic seemed odd.  If it had power
steering, I would have stopped and checked the belt and fluid level.  But
no power steering, I figured I'd check into it RealSoonNow.  Get to the
house, crank the wheel to make the turn into the drive, a loud BANG and
no further motion of the car.

Turns out the lower ball joint on the right front corner decided to fall
apart. Not too bad, I initially thought it would be an expensive
rebuild of the gearbox.  So the little black car might be on the road
again soon.

Tomorrow ( saturday morning )  I pick up a rental car and head out to
the track.  so maybe 24 hours or so from  this writing I may actually
be doing a report on the FOT at  Miller.  Or I'll be sucking down yet
another cold one in someone's air conditioned motor home listening
to tales of the way the world should have behaved that day!

mjb.


From dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 29 22:16:28 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:16:28 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [DCTRA] You got to take a look at this site!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
Message-ID: <20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Very Cool.  Especially since Joe Curry's very nice Spit is featured 
on the TR page

At 08:11 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Would you believe a 350 or a 408 V8 would fit in a Spitfire?  Or these
>engines in a TR6, well check out this site!!!!!!!!
>
>http://www.britishv8.org/index.htm
>
>Rich
>
>
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From dave at microworks.net  Fri Jun 29 22:19:21 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 21:19:21 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [DCTRA] You got to take a look at this site!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <20070630042055.SGLQ22777.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

Very Cool.  Especially since Joe Curry's very nice Spit is featured 
on the TR page

At 08:11 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:
>Would you believe a 350 or a 408 V8 would fit in a Spitfire?  Or these
>engines in a TR6, well check out this site!!!!!!!!
>
>http://www.britishv8.org/index.htm
>
>Rich
>
>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jun 30 10:25:47 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:25:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Bronze & Delrin Rear Spring Shackle Kit-TR3 / TR4 solid axle.
Message-ID: <bfb.19dfe2a1.33b7de0b@cs.com>

FOT:

For the last several months I have been playing around with a kit for the 
rear spring shackles.  In 1992 I used bronze for the bushing material for #197. I 
used it again for the AMBRO build. 

I wasnt very proud of the thrust washers used in my kit, thus didnt really 
say much about it. Now I have Delrin Spacers precision machined out of solid bar 
stock.....

I am now happy with the kit. see eBay auction:      Item number: 170126870246   

Read a testimonial from a street guy...and see the picture of the pieces and 
assembly. If you think it is for you, let me know...will sell direct....or 
delete now.

Thanks....Joe A
    
    



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From MDunst at coh.org  Thu Jun 28 13:56:41 2007
From: MDunst at coh.org (Dunst, Mordecai)
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:56:41 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Hooray
Message-ID: <B71FC19AE77F854F98B2B6A51554C6F70149608C@EXCH-VS3.coh.org>

Cranks are done.  I am away to the miller event and unable to complete transaction until I return.

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