From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul  1 23:32:54 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>

Some random FOT driver in the grid:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg

Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
some, uh, debris coming off course:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

mjb.

From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 06:16:16 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:16:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7bca2$d0db8640$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Nice job Mark
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller


> Some random FOT driver in the grid:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg
>
> Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
> up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
> some, uh, debris coming off course:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg
>
>
> Congratulations Chuck.
>
> mjb.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 08:55:16 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <810860.43427.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

That's one fancy vortex generator on the back of that Spitfire.  Good job Chuck.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:  

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 09:38:48 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:38:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
Message-ID: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>

Guys,

I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance 
Triumph lovers to miss.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a 
bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?

Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in 
Maryland

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul  2 10:01:09 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <46892145.9000809@bradakis.com>

Wow.  Wonder why the seller calls it a TR6?

mjb.

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 10:21:32 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:21:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

That car pops up from time to time on these lists.  I personally would not
feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
and so narrow of a track.

It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an accident
just waiting to happen.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> Guys,
>
> I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance
> Triumph lovers to miss.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>
> I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a
> bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?
>
> Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in
> Maryland

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 10:25:39 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:25:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F4043A88B08E5C053205D1ED20D0@phx.gbl>

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

"Nothing exceeds like excess..."

        -Virgil Exner

"Hokey Smokes!"

       -R.J. Squirrel

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 10:35:03 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:35:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks Mark.? We had a great weekend with nine Triumphs attending.? It was an honor to receive the Cup this year.

We missed our brethren from the Midwest and east...hopefully next time.

Thanks to Kas and Peggy for making the trip and pouring the champagne.? It wouldn't be a Kastner Cup event without them.

Kudos to to Greg Hilyer from New Mexico!? He campaigned a very fast TR4 and also shellacked us on the go cart track.? We also nominated and seconded him in person for FOT membership with Mark Bradakis present (an official, unofficial ceremony), so Mark, please add him to the list.? His email is lunkercars at earthlink.net.? Greg, when you get some time, please tell us more about yourself.

All in all, a great time at a fantastic facility with great friends.? I'm sure there will be pictures to follow.

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J. Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:32 pm
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller



Some random FOT driver in the grid:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg

Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
some, uh, debris coming off course:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

mjb.
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jul  2 10:35:37 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707021234470.10082-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Joe Curry wrote:

> That car pops up from time to time on these lists.  I personally would not
> feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
> and so narrow of a track.
> 
> It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an accident
> just waiting to happen.

But I'd bet you could tweak it to get into the 10's.

:-)

Oh - you want it to TURN. That's different!

 
> Joe


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From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 10:47:31 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
	<002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <8C98ADFD14E8475-BF0-5C6@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an 
accident
just waiting to happen.

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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Jul  2 11:28:06 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
Message-ID: <380-2200771217286306@M2W030.mail2web.com>

That's funny--last time it was on eBay (a couple years ago?), it was a
Spitfire!

The Amazing Morphing Triumph!

Susan    :)

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 11:56:04 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F25913F0F95D9C934FD1E568C0D0@phx.gbl>

Joe Curry wrote:
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>I personally would not
>feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
>and so narrow of a track.
>It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well be an accident
>just waiting to happen.

That just about describes all Triumphs ever made!  =80

So tell me again why you put a S2000 motor into the Spit, rather than
a Spit motor into a S2000?  ;)

Shane Ingate, wanting to say "I'm afraid to drive it", in Maryland

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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 12:35:41 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:35:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c7bcd7$cb643100$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Shane did you put a BID on that?
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> Guys,
>
> I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance
> Triumph lovers to miss.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>
> I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a
> bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?
>
> Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in
> Maryland
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 13:42:55 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:42:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F25913F0F95D9C934FD1E568C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005101c7bce1$300efaa0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> So tell me again why you put a S2000 motor into the Spit, rather than
> a Spit motor into a S2000?  ;)


It was to WIN.  Being in a class that was being dominated by Lotus 7 clones
with any engine under 2 liters in size, and weighing 1000 popunds, I wanted
to see if I could get a Spitfire to be competitive.

And I found out that the answer is NO.  Despite all the modifications the
weight difference was too great to make up and I could not take enough
weight off my car to get down to their level.  So I just converted the car
to Street legality and am now enjoying freeway driving in it.  (And playing
with the occasional Corevtte)~  :)

Joe

From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  2 16:04:12 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller, Kas Kup
In-Reply-To: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200707022204.l62M4IV8026215@ns3.geneseo.net>

Congratulations, Chuck, on a well deserved award. As recipient #1 
several years ago, like you, I consider receiving a cup from Kastner 
as one of the very high points in my racing career.



uncle jack 



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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 16:31:10 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:31:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
Message-ID: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?

 

I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.

 

The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
driver.

 

The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.

 

Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
one.

 

Cheers,

Joe C.

From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul  2 17:56:35 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <20070703000511.MHVI1204.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

This video has the first 2 minutes of the coverage. The crash between 
teammates at the start and then the huge wreck at the 50 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM74TUKFUM

Some slo-mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TNUhLFjzBY&NR=1

At 03:31 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?
>
>
>
>I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.
>
>
>
>The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
>at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
>them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
>so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
>on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
>driver.
>
>
>
>The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
>circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
>knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
>wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.
>
>
>
>Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
>one.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Joe C.
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>
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 19:18:45 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Curry<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
  To: fot at Autox.Team.Net<mailto:fot at Autox.Team.Net>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday


  Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?



  I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.



  The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
  at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going
around
  them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
  so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
  on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
  driver.



  The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
  circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
  knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
  wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.



  Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
  one.



  Cheers,

  Joe C.
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul  2 19:22:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Now I remember why I don't race open wheel cars.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Curry<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
  To: fot at Autox.Team.Net<mailto:fot at Autox.Team.Net>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday


  Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?



  I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.



  The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking
maneuver
  at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going
around
  them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.
I was
  so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming
down
  on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of
the
  driver.



  The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off
the
  circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
  knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled
the
  wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.



  Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not
this
  one.



  Cheers,

  Joe C.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 19:57:24 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
	<BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c7bd15$808b3c80$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

That one was in the F1 race later in the day

 

Joe

 

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From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

 

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

 

Fred Hodgson

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Joe <mailto:spitlist at cox.net>  Curry 

To: fot at Autox.Team.Net 

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM

Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

 

Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?

 

I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.

 

The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
driver.

 

The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.

 

Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
one.

 

Cheers,

Joe C.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 20:07:15 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
References: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <001901c7bd16$e0a3f480$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

Bill,
That beer can on wheels that you drive ain't all that far removed from open
wheel racing!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:BillB at bnj.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Fred & Mary Hodgson; fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: RE: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Now I remember why I don't race open wheel cars.  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Jul  3 19:11:22 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:11:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <20070703.191123.-215201.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Hey everyone,
Hope all had a good time at Miller. That was a very well turned out
collection of TRs. Quite impressive.
I really wanted to get a closer look at Steve's GT-6, as well as hear it
at full chat. Sorry your weekend did not go well, Steve. Bummed I missed
Kas, as well. Still looking forward to meeting the man.
How did the Split Start format work out for everyone, from your
perspective?
I'll pass along any ideas, suggestions, criticisms, to help make NR
events better.
There is a Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing event in September, 7-9, in
Hastings, Nebraska. Close to the centre of America, this is the second
RMVR event at that facility. See www.rmvr.com for details. 
Great meeting those of you I got to meet. Hope to see all ya all soon.
Bill

From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul  3 22:14:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get deep
into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of what
I'm getting into.

Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to drop by
Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on the
outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.

We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.

Bill

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 07:02:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:02:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
References: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c7be3b$989c8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I'll be loading up today to head out tomorrow with my GT6.  What's the 
paddock area like - plenty of room?  Any electrical power?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP


> Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
> Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get 
> deep
> into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of 
> what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to 
> drop by
> Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on 
> the
> outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.
>
> We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.
>
> Bill
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 08:36:39 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
References: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
	<003b01c7be3b$989c8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096671@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Big paddock but very limited power. I set up close to one of the few power
sources but I won't be surprised if they make me move. I tried to get to the
outside edge of likely official space, but we'll see.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen [mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net]
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 6:02 AM
To: Bill Babcock; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP

I'll be loading up today to head out tomorrow with my GT6.  What's the
paddock area like - plenty of room?  Any electrical power?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP


> Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
> Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get
> deep
> into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of
> what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to
> drop by
> Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on
> the
> outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.
>
> We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.
>
> Bill
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Wed Jul  4 09:52:42 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALOEGHEIAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I am trying to diagnosis an on going problem with my TR3 cooling system.  It
would be very helpful to have some baseline numbers on the heat gain from
a stock system.

What I am interested in is how quickly a stock system gains heat at a stand
still idle.  Could anyone (or everyone :-)) note the ambient temperature and
how many minutes it takes your car to reach say 170, 180 and 190?   If you
were otherwise doing tuning work, it should just be a matter of writing down
the information and forwarding it.

I will be at Summer Party and VTR with a digital thermometer and asking
anyone willing to let me take some measurements and will be happy to post
the results thereafter.  My thought is that the bigger the sample, the
better.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Gano


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From Cofrog at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 10:41:46 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:41:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.  
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking 
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000 
but it seems to have dead  ended.
 
What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle 
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission 
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the 
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
 
Thanks,
 
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 12:28:41 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <070420071828.22987.468BE6D9000EB742000059CB2200750438970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Cofrog at aol.com 

> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an MGB. 
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed it. In looking 
> over the archives, there was some activity regarding scatter shields in 2000 
> but it seems to have dead ended. 
> 
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source. I see Uncle 
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the transmission 
> cover inside the car. Others feel that the shield needs to wrap around the 
> whole bell housing. Thoughts? 

I was behind a TR2 whose clutch exploded. The flying shrapnel and debris was everywhere, and the driver had some serious injuries (no scattershield). The complaint that some have about wrapping the tranny is that it holds heat, and we know that's not good. My solution was to use Uncle Jack's scattershield along with a kevlar blanket that does not fully wrap the tranny, just the 180 degrees closest to my leg and foot. Fortunately, I have never had to test its effectiveness.
Irv Korey

From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 15:35:58 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:35:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling
References: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALOEGHEIAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096673@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I don't have a stock cooling system, but I know the numbers for what I have. I
hit 190 from ambient in three minutes when the outside temp is less than 100.
If I turn on the electric fan then, it stays at 190. Otherwise it reaches 220
in four minutes.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Ken Gano, home
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 8:52 AM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumph List
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling

I am trying to diagnosis an on going problem with my TR3 cooling system.  It
would be very helpful to have some baseline numbers on the heat gain from
a stock system.

What I am interested in is how quickly a stock system gains heat at a stand
still idle.  Could anyone (or everyone :-)) note the ambient temperature and
how many minutes it takes your car to reach say 170, 180 and 190?   If you
were otherwise doing tuning work, it should just be a matter of writing down
the information and forwarding it.

I will be at Summer Party and VTR with a digital thermometer and asking
anyone willing to let me take some measurements and will be happy to post
the results thereafter.  My thought is that the bigger the sample, the
better.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Gano


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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 15:38:23 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096674@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

What I have is a steel plate in the area next to the flywheel. What I'd like
is a oil and grease resistant kevlar blanket for the entire transmission. But
I'm ok with just the plate and a limited imagination.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 9:41 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From Malaboge at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 15:59:46 2007
From: Malaboge at aol.com (Malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <bc9.1551a384.33bd7252@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/07 9:42:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Cofrog at aol.com 
writes:

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle 
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission 
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the 
whole bell housing.  Thoughts

Thankfully I have never had to test a scattershield...
That being said I once owned a nationally competitive production car from a 
big name factory supported team that had a piece of about 1"x1"x4" angle iron 
bolted to the bottom corner of the battery tray above the trans and on the 
passengers side of the car!  Useful?...only for passing SCCA tech.
 
I have favored a piece of about 10 or 12 ply conveyer belt that can be 
wrapped around the trans/engine interface and extend to the rear as far as you like. 
(Usually about 8" to 10" rearward) You could make this a 360 degree fitting 
if desired. Its fairly liteweight, easy to manipulate and hopefully strong 
enough to stop any itinerant fragments.  OK. it won't stop a 9mm at about 1100fps 
but will a cluster gear reach that velocity?
 
Still with all my toes and hopin to keep em that way...
                         Nick in Nor Cal



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 19:35:01 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
In-Reply-To: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7bea4$b53fcdc0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm running a custom built scattershield on my Spitfire that is made from
1/4 inch mild steel plate which conforms to GCR requirements.  It was hand
fabricated from two pieces using a big torch and a big hammer and welded
together.  It covers from the rear engine plate back several inches and from
below the starter bendix around just past vertical so it protects the
drivers feet.  It's bolted to the rear of the engine using two of the
bellhousing bolts.  The scattershield is out of the car right now as is the
engine and gearbox, and I can take some photos and send them to anyone
interested.  While I have not tried it out with a clutch

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.

I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle

Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the

whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 19:38:44 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <000701c7bea5$39d52620$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Sorry about that.  Darn laptop sends off e-mails before I'm done with them.

Anyway, I haven't had a clutch explosion, but I was sure glad to have the
scattershield back in '78 when I sheared the flywheel bolts coming down thru
the esses at Sears Point.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering [mailto:norlinengineering at comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Cofrog at aol.com'; 'FOT at Autox.Team.Net'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Scatter Shields


I'm running a custom built scattershield on my Spitfire that is made from
1/4 inch mild steel plate which conforms to GCR requirements.  It was hand
fabricated from two pieces using a big torch and a big hammer and welded
together.  It covers from the rear engine plate back several inches and from
below the starter bendix around just past vertical so it protects the
drivers feet.  It's bolted to the rear of the engine using two of the
bellhousing bolts.  The scattershield is out of the car right now as is the
engine and gearbox, and I can take some photos and send them to anyone
interested.  While I have not tried it out with a clutch

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.

I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle

Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the

whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  4 19:43:32 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:43:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <000601c7bea4$b53fcdc0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000c01c7bea5$e5988dd0$0301000a@Chowdown>

Coincidentally, I was just cleaning my scatter shield  today, it's out of 
the car along with the trans tunnel.
Mine was made by "Trans-Dapt" and looks to be 3/4" thick belted rubber with 
angled steel brackets that bolt it to the frame.
 I don't think this piece is being made anymore.  If anyone wants a photo, 
email me and I'll send one.  It's actually very cool.

~Steve

From billsohl at optonline.net  Thu Jul  5 06:33:53 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (billsohl at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>

Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.

Thanks,

Bill Sohl 

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Jul  5 06:55:17 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:55:17 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096674@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <005201c7bf03$bdc4b1e0$5111efdc@co3017577a>

One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the straight at
Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and dumped the fragments in the
passenger footwell . No shield just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky
guy. Our regs in Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics
Geoff Byrne
TR6 down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <Cofrog at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> What I have is a steel plate in the area next to the flywheel. What I'd
like
> is a oil and grease resistant kevlar blanket for the entire transmission.
But
> I'm ok with just the plate and a limited imagination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Cofrog at aol.com
> Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 9:41 AM
> To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
>
> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an
MGB.
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
> over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
> but it seems to have dead  ended.
>
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see
Uncle
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the
transmission
> cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around
the
> whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul  5 07:21:12 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20070705132144.DEB3F1879D7@autox.team.net>

On Fox, 1:00 pm eastern.

- Tony

At 07:33 AM 7/5/2007, billsohl at optonline.net wrote:
>Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
>coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
>The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Sohl

From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jul  5 07:34:03 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:34:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
Message-ID: <20070705.073404.-302133.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Bill,
I'm seeing it on the Dish schedule on FOX, 11:00 AM MDT. 
Bill

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 (GMT) billsohl at optonline.net writes:
> Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British 
> GP this
> coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time 
> conversion right.
> The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV 
> coverage info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Sohl 
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jul  5 08:14:32 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:14:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
In-Reply-To: <005201c7bf03$bdc4b1e0$5111efdc@co3017577a>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F9C9@server.Triumph.local>

Geoff,

Do you know what kind of clutch it was that exploded?

Any chance it was it a stock finger-type TR2-4? I have heard of a couple
of those that have let go.

Anybody ever hear of a TR4A-6 diaphragm spring type clutch letting go?

PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey Byrne
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields
>
> One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the
> straight at Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and
> dumped the fragments in the passenger footwell . No shield
> just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky guy. Our regs in
> Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics Geoff Byrne

From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 08:35:58 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:35:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <BAY115-F322416FC8581A57ADC5D5E8C020@phx.gbl>

Dan,

I am using the Uncle Jack item (bought at Carlisle some years ago).  It fits 
well and is hardly visible, especially when painted body color.  It intrudes 
very slightly on the throttle foot, but unless you have clown feet, it 
should not be a problem.  This shield will probably not give complete 
protection should the flywheel disintegrate.  Easiest to install when the 
dash is out of the car.

An alternative approach would be to wrap several layers of ballistic kevlar 
and epoxy around the housing.  Probably a better approach and easier to 
install if the tranny is out of the car, but a little ugly.

Shane Ingate in MD

Dan Fogarty wrote:

>What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see 
>Uncle Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  
>transmission cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  
>wrap around the whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Thu Jul  5 08:44:23 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:44:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4
Message-ID: <cb9.155dc9ad.33be5dc7@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2007 7:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
> steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
> the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...

Is that due to direction of engine rotation? or is that a stupid thought?

Regards

Lion

owner of right-hand-steer Triumph.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul  5 09:00:59 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:00:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net><20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
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It will be on FOX, just like the last 3 have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of billsohl at optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:34 AM
To: David W. Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?

Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.

Thanks,

Bill Sohl 
_______________________________________________

From dave at microworks.net  Thu Jul  5 09:12:08 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20070705151946.EOCO3098.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

The Candadian, US, French and British GP are broadcast time delayed 
on Fox but the Practice and Quali sessions are broadcast live on 
Speed.  Thankful this year the Speed crew is providing commentary

At 05:33 AM 7/5/2007, you wrote:

>Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
>coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
>The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Sohl

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Jul  5 10:22:17 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:22:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <BAY115-F322416FC8581A57ADC5D5E8C020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01a101c7bf20$a7e96ce0$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


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www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
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626.628.3777 Fax
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>From the Tulsa World....


Hallett owner fulfilled life's passion

      LIFETIME IN RACING
      Mike Stephens: The Hallett Motor Racing Circuit promoter died at age 65
on June 23.




By GLENN HIBDON
7/4/2007


MIKE AND CONNIE Stephens were newlyweds 42 years ago when a vision was
formulized. Mike knew then where destiny was leading him.

"We talked about our dreams and he told me he was going to own a race track,"
said Connie. "He would draw pictures of it and I was like, 'Yeah, sure, Mike.
I hope you keep a real job.' In 1975 his father passed away and he bought a
race car three days later. He said, 'Life's too short,' and we've continued
gung ho from there."

Life was indeed too short for Mike Stephens, who died at age 65 on June 23
from an undiagnosed neurological disorder. His passion always centered around
road racing in general and Hallett Motor Racing Circuit in particular.

I remember a robust man who never passed up a chance to talk about the sport
he loved. His wife and sons, Shayne and Scott, were always by his side.

"I think without him Hallett would have ceased to exist," said Connie. "He
took it at a time when it was run down and he put his heart and soul into it.
Now that Shayne, Scott and I have it, we will work really hard too keep his
dream alive. He took a lifelong dream and made it happen and we will miss him
a whole bunch."

Mike began his racing career at Hallett and was involved in some way since the
track's opening in 1976. His sons were members of his pit crew at ages 10 and
7, and Connie saw her first race and worked a corner with Mike on their
honeymoon in 1965. He started his High Performance Driving School at Hallett
and began managing the facility in 1989. The family now owns the track.

Mike was a racer until the end, closing his career at Heartland Park in
Topeka, Kan., in June of 2006.

"He was hurting, but he needed to qualify," said Connie. "When he got off the
track he was placed in an ambulance and taken to a hospital. His colon had
burst and all the poison went through his system.

"He had emergency surgery at 2 a.m. on June 11. On June 11, 2005 we celebrated
our 40th anniversary and on June 11, 2007 he was in the hospital again. It's
been an odd couple of years and we've had to struggle so hard to do everything
to make it through this."

Mike had been in and out of the hospital for more than a year while medical
personnel attempted to diagnose the cause of his health problems. An autopsy
will be performed to determine the reason. Ironically, Mike's mother died
three days before he passed away.

In remembrance, Connie and her family have planned a celebration of Mike's
life to be held at the track on Wednesday starting at 5:30 p.m.

Stories will be shared by those who knew him and will feature the music of
Three Dog Night and Neil Diamond. Mike always played the songs "Sweet
Caroline" and "Joy to the World" before suiting up to race. The official
ceremony begins at 6:45 and a five-minute moment of silence will precede
Mike's ashes making a final lap of the track.

Around 8 p.m. the Finish Line Cafe will provide a cookout and fireworks will
follow at dark. Mike wouldn't have wanted it any

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jul  5 10:52:10 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <002e01c7bf24$d314676e$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

I bought one of these and never installed it. Went a different route.

If anyone is interested in buying it, contact me offlist.

-----Original Message-----
From: "MDunst/Gasket Works" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/5/07 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


M. Dunst
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Gasket Works USA, LLC
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jul  5 12:34:46 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT t.shirts
Message-ID: <468D39C6.5070907@bright.net>

List members.  FOT t.shirts are ready to ship.  Price is $14.50 up to 
size XL. Add $1.50 for XXL & $3 for XXXL.  Price doesnot include 
shipping.   $4 from every shirt goes to FOT "general" fund. Shipping 
will be by mail.  If you want to pick up your shirts at the VTR 
convention, please let me know. I will have them there. You can pay by 
check or credit card.  Please call or email with payment method. 
 Thanks, Ted

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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jul  5 15:14:12 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:14:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004301c7bf49$71ca0010$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

The one in my car is the one my brother put in when he built it in 1971. The 
epitome of no-budget construction -- just a chunk of rubber conveyor belt 
bolted to the inside of the plastic aftermarket tunnel cover. Doesn't go all 
the way around, but I'm not really worried about something blowing out the 
right side. If the trans/clutch ever blew out the left side, I'm sure it 
would tear up that tunnel cover, but it would be the shield bruising my 
legs, not the shrapnel.

At least that's what I'm telling myself, and I'm sticking to the story. I 
probably solo more than race, but I've seen solo cars blow a trans too so 
still a good idea.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cofrog at aol.com>
To: <FOT at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an 
> MGB.
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In 
> looking
> over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 
> 2000
> but it seems to have dead  ended.
>
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see 
> Uncle
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the 
> transmission
> cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around 
> the
> whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 17:40:53 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:40:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
Message-ID: <C7E82D4A-92A0-422D-9FC7-6AA4B1882644@earthlink.net>

Same as above.

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Jul  5 17:54:34 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Racing on TV
Message-ID: <000e01c7bf5f$d6e3cc40$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Hello All:

Don't know if you'all are aware of  www.tvracer.com  but I just learned of
this site.  It lists on a daily basis, all the racing on TV so you no longer
have to search through various cable and tv guides to find some racing action.

My wife will probably delete this site from my Favorites list!

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 18:37:06 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:37:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
Message-ID: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>

Hey Greg!  Welcome to the FOT!  After you do the Secret Pledge  and memorize 
all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll  then let you 
in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.   Oh, dang, you 
apparently know all that already.  Damn, OK; for a mere  29.95  we can give 
you all the tricks to enhance male performance and  improve stock market appeal. 
 But wait, there's more!  Never mind,  there's not more.  This is just us and 
we'll learn as much from you as we  offer. Fair enough?  Then Welcome to the  
FOT! 



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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Thu Jul  5 18:51:16 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>
References: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <468D9204.9050104@141.com>

I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often!    ;)

Susan      :)

Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Greg!  Welcome to the FOT!  After you do the Secret Pledge  and memorize 
> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll  then let you 
> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.   Oh, dang, you 
> apparently know all that already.  Damn, OK; for a mere  29.95  we can give 
> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and  improve stock market appeal. 
>  But wait, there's more!  Never mind,  there's not more.  This is just us and 
> we'll learn as much from you as we  offer. Fair enough?  Then Welcome to the  
> FOT! 
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
>   

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 19:58:31 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <468D9204.9050104@141.com>
Message-ID: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't have any official types.

Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com> wrote:   I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often! ;)

Susan :)

Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and memorize 
> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll then let you 
> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires. Oh, dang, you 
> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we can give 
> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock market appeal. 
> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is just us and 
> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then Welcome to the 
> FOT! 
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
> 

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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Thu Jul  5 20:05:02 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <468DA34E.4000807@141.com>

Oh, no no no.  He would be the un-official greeter.  And he could convey 
the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the 
non-organization of the club. 

Ernest Husmann wrote:
> Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't 
> have any official types.
>
> */Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>/* wrote:
>
>     I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often! ;)
>
>     Susan :)
>
>     Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>     > Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
>     memorize
>     > all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
>     then let you
>     > in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
>     Oh, dang, you
>     > apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
>     can give
>     > you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
>     market appeal.
>     > But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
>     just us and
>     > we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
>     Welcome to the
>     > FOT!
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > ************************************** See what's free at
>     http://www.aol.com.
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > http://www.team.net/donate.html
>     >
>     >
>     >
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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 20:55:25 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <468DA34E.4000807@141.com>
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	<468DA34E.4000807@141.com>
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That would be great as I am fairly confused already.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer

On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Oh, no no no.  He would be the un-official greeter.  And he could  
> convey
> the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the
> non-organization of the club.
>
> Ernest Husmann wrote:
>> Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't
>> have any official types.
>>
>> */Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>     I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more  
>> often! ;)
>>
>>     Susan :)
>>
>>     Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
>>     memorize
>>> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
>>     then let you
>>> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
>>     Oh, dang, you
>>> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
>>     can give
>>> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
>>     market appeal.
>>> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
>>     just us and
>>> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
>>     Welcome to the
>>> FOT!
>>>
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Jul  5 21:17:48 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:17:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <20070706031728.9F41B1879F0@autox.team.net>

I have one of Mordy's blankets on my TR-4A.  It's never been tested but I like
having it on there.  It has an added benefit in that at speed any oil lost
from the engine collects in the blanket and then forms a nice puddle on the
ground once I get back to the paddock.  Its been very helpful in chasing my
oil leaks.  Small puddle = normal.  Big puddle = problem.  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: 7/5/07 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

I bought one of these and never installed it. Went a different route.

If anyone is interested in buying it, contact me offlist.

-----Original Message-----
From: "MDunst/Gasket Works" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/5/07 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 18:21:39 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:21:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>

Hello to Chuck and all,
What a blast at Miller!
As I said to you, Kas,et al., It is the resume part that has kept me
from applying for FoT membership. To Larry Young in particular...
thanks for your nomination earlier this year at Hallett - sorry I
didn't respond but the bio/resume part but me off a bit and I wasn't
quite sure how to go from there. Thanks again Larry for lending me a
ballast resistor - after smoking two Pertronics now, I [now] only run
points! Also thanks to Mark and Chuck for the official nomination and
second. On to the boring stuff about myself:

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
323 Claremont Ave NW Suite K
Albuquerque N.M. 87107
505-345-2055

45 years old [young?]
Currently living "off the grid" [solar power only] in the mountains
[7200+ feet] between Santa Fe and Albuquerque.
Spent my first 26 years in the Seattle area.
After childhood immersion in sportscars [thanks to my long departed
father] started in the automotive industry in 1975 at the age of 14.
Sweeping out the body shop at the South Seattle Auto Auction was far
from glamours but at least I got paid to be around cars. By the age
of 23 I was general sales manager of the most successful and
innovative auto auction in the country... the first to be fully
computerized and the first in what was to become  "chain" auto
auctions. A [McConkey] family owned sale bought by GE Credit Corp.
then partially owned by Ford Motor Credit, ATD and currently Manheim
Auctions. My "Semi Retirement" was my 26th birthday in 1987 - the
year we managed to average 1000 cars sold per week - 52,000 odd cars
sold for the year- a record that stood for 9 years! ... 26 years old,
the keys to the place in my pocket and 28 acres of cars with the keys
in the ignition - talk about a kid in a candy shop!
Left Seattle in '87 for Ashland OR., and with the help, guidance, and
assistance of some wonderful mentors, started wrenching on customer
cars. Haven't worked for anyone other than myself [and customers]
since. Went to Santa Fe in 1996 on a 3 week vacation. Liked it so
much that a week later I went to the local coffee shop, got a cup of
java, found a table, and put up my hand written sign "traveling
mechanic seeks your broken car" and didn't return to Oregon for 7
years. Did more "mobile mechanicing" than I care to remember. 2002
started Lunkercars Vintage Auto Sales LLC in Albuquerque - A micro
auto dealership specializing in British cars with the occasional
German, Italian and American muscle-car thrown in for good measure.
First Triumph was around 1989 - a sorry little Spit that came to me
with a 2"x4" wedged in place of a long gone motor mount. Current
inventory includes the purple '63 TR4 racer, a '65 TR4 with a
undetermined future, '61 Herald convert and a '70 Spit that I own but
have never laid eyes on. Other Triumph ownership includes  Spitfires,
TR3's, 4's, 6's, TR250, TR8 and perhaps others I have forgotten. Oh
yeah!... almost forgot about the 14 disassembled Triumphs that Connie
and I harvested out of the 9,000 mountains of northern New Mexico,
but that's another story.
This all seems a bit boring and a bit egotistical to me but it is
what was asked for. I will follow-up with details about the car which
to me [and hopefully to all] is much more interesting.
Thanks to you Kas for the honor of meeting you in person [not to
mention the books my car was built by], you Chuck for the great
competition [and congratulations on the cup... want to go to the kart
track again?]  and to Mike Bruner for the borrowed starter - bump
starting on the grid is never stylish - I'll have a new one on it's
way to you as soon as I get your mailing address.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer

o?<
On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:35 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Mark.  We had a great weekend with nine Triumphs attending.
> It was an honor to receive the Cup this year.
>
> We missed our brethren from the Midwest and east...hopefully next
> time.
>
> Thanks to Kas and Peggy for making the trip and pouring the
> champagne.  It wouldn't be a Kastner Cup event without them.
>
> Kudos to to Greg Hilyer from New Mexico!  He campaigned a very fast
> TR4 and also shellacked us on the go cart track.  We also nominated
> and seconded him in person for FOT membership with Mark Bradakis
> present (an official, unofficial ceremony), so Mark, please add him
> to the list.  His email is lunkercars at earthlink.net.  Greg, when
> you get some time, please tell us more about yourself.
>
> All in all, a great time at a fantastic facility with great
> friends.  I'm sure there will be pictures to follow.
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J. Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: FOT at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:32 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
>
> Some random FOT driver in the grid:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg
>
> Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's
> a close
> up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
> some, uh, debris coming off course:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg
>
>
> Congratulations Chuck.
>
> mjb.
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From tsheach at pba.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 00:57:52 2007
From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <E1I6her-00086N-GV@esau.t-mobile.co.uk>

Hi Dan

I run a u shaped brace around the front of the prop, and [sometimes had a
steel band round the top of the bellhousing] ... Best job is to 8 or 12 bolt
the flywheel. I've lost a 4 bolt & dowel at 6500 rpm.

Using a sleeved stag input shaft [stag a type od box] also helps keep it all
in there when it breaks loose as its thicker .... The flywheel just walked its
way along and stayed inside the case when I lost it. Minimal damage resulted.

Regards

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Cofrog at aol.com
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: 04/07/07 17:41
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jul  6 08:04:44 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:04:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
	<642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <468E4BFC.1030308@pobox.com>

Greg,
Glad to see you are finally on the list.  Once he got his ignition 
problems sorted out, Greg turned some very fast laps at Hallett this 
spring.  Too bad he wasn't at Hallett a year earlier.
Larry

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:

>Hello to Chuck and all,
>What a blast at Miller!
>As I said to you, Kas,et al., It is the resume part that has kept me
>from applying for FoT membership. To Larry Young in particular...
>thanks for your nomination earlier this year at Hallett - sorry I
>didn't respond but the bio/resume part but me off a bit and I wasn't
>quite sure how to go from there. Thanks again Larry for lending me a
>ballast resistor - after smoking two Pertronics now, I [now] only run
>points! Also thanks to Mark and Chuck for the official nomination and
>second. On to the boring stuff about myself:

From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 10:14:35 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:14:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group.  He was, and will be
again, a racer with a TR6!  I answered some mail he sent to 6-pack and he
seems like just thr right kinda guy.  MAybe one of you California guys can
give him the official physical?

On 6/30/07, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi Chuck,
>
>
>
> In the 1960s, I had a TR3A and did some old airport straw bail racing.  I
> have always been a huge fan of any curvy track racing from Formula One to
> SCCA Club Racing to cones in a parking lot.  I have recently acquired a
> 1974 TR6 (the same year as my street driver that I do occasionally
> autocross) that was set up years ago for SCCA Production Class racing.  From
> reading the rule book, I see that there are a few changes I need to make and
> a few changes that will help if I do make.  Right now I need to make some
> decisions like tires, shocks, maybe carbs, etc.  It would be great to be
> connected to the racing board for some good current information.  I belong
> to an active group of autocrossers here in Sacramento, CA so I can race on
> the pylons this season.
>
>
>
> I did locate and order one of Kastner's books.  Thanks for all of the
> great information.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM
> *To:* jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> *Subject:* re racing tr6
>
>
>
> There is a group called Friends of Triumph [FOT] which is comprised of TR
> racers, some of whom race TR6s [I have a TR5, but the drive train is out of
> a TR6 I used for fast track days.  This is an "By invitation only" email
> list group.  If you are going to race, you need to be on it.  I could
> nominate you if you send me your racing plans and experience.
>
> Other than that, there is a guy who is not in the group who placed 3rd in
> SCCA nations in 2005 with a TR6, and would have also been on the podium in
> 2006 but was booted off the track in the last lap by a too agressive acura
> [which is why I hate SCCA bumpoer cars].
>
> If you do not have the 4 Kastner books you will want them -- almost
> anything you want/need to know about racing TRs.
>
> --
> Chuck Arnold
>



-- 
Chuck Arnold

From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jul  6 10:29:59 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:29:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e657ff08f91c.468e6e07@optonline.net>

I second!  But pass on the physical!

Welcome Jim!

Todd Redmond
TR3A


----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Arnold 
Date: Friday, July 6, 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
To: jim hearn , Friends 

> I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group. He was, 
> and will be
> again, a racer with a TR6! I answered some mail he sent to 6-
> pack and he
> seems like just thr right kinda guy. MAybe one of you 
> California guys can
> give him the official physical?
> 
> On 6/30/07, jim hearn wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chuck,
> >
> >
> >
> > In the 1960s, I had a TR3A and did some old airport straw bail 
> racing. I
> > have always been a huge fan of any curvy track racing from 
> Formula One to
> > SCCA Club Racing to cones in a parking lot. I have recently 
> acquired a
> > 1974 TR6 (the same year as my street driver that I do occasionally
> > autocross) that was set up years ago for SCCA Production Class 
> racing. From
> > reading the rule book, I see that there are a few changes I 
> need to make and
> > a few changes that will help if I do make. Right now I need 
> to make some
> > decisions like tires, shocks, maybe carbs, etc. It would be 
> great to be
> > connected to the racing board for some good current 
> information. I belong
> > to an active group of autocrossers here in Sacramento, CA so I 
> can race on
> > the pylons this season.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did locate and order one of Kastner's books. Thanks for all 
> of the
> > great information.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM
> > *To:* jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> > *Subject:* re racing tr6
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a group called Friends of Triumph [FOT] which is 
> comprised of TR
> > racers, some of whom race TR6s [I have a TR5, but the drive 
> train is out of
> > a TR6 I used for fast track days. This is an "By invitation 
> only" email
> > list group. If you are going to race, you need to be on it. 
> I could
> > nominate you if you send me your racing plans and experience.
> >
> > Other than that, there is a guy who is not in the group who 
> placed 3rd in
> > SCCA nations in 2005 with a TR6, and would have also been on 
> the podium in
> > 2006 but was booted off the track in the last lap by a too 
> agressive acura
> > [which is why I hate SCCA bumpoer cars].
> >
> > If you do not have the 4 Kastner books you will want them -- almost
> > anything you want/need to know about racing TRs.
> >
> > --
> > Chuck Arnold
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold
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From riverside at cedar-rapids.net  Fri Jul  6 11:14:58 2007
From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] transmission
Message-ID: <001b01c7bff1$2f35d870$315d9e04@your55e5f9e3d2>

I need a TR6 O'drive trans.  Will consider anything from
rebuildable core to turnkey.  Going behind a nearly stock
motor.

art de armond

From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 13:59:25 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:59:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29211C5896C791FE61ADB78C010@phx.gbl>

Second on Jim's nomination!  We need more TR6 racers to stave off the herd 
of 4-bangers.

Shane Ingate in MD

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Arnold
Date: Friday, July 6, 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
To: jim hearn , Friends

>I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group. He was, and will be
>again, a racer with a TR6! I answered some mail he sent to 6-
>pack and he
>seems like just thr right kinda guy. MAybe one of you California guys can
>give him the official physical?

_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com

From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jul  6 14:35:05 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:35:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Flow My Head Dude
Message-ID: <BAY102-W3013B296BF80C652AF17490010@phx.gbl>

Hello,   Anyone on the list recommend a business to port the head for my 1622
cc BMC (don't want to use  the MG word)engine?
Is any one on the list interested in doing it?  Joe? Jack?

Cheers, Henry Morrison,

TR3
Elva Courier

From joeg at neb.rr.com  Fri Jul  6 16:53:05 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Crank Scrapers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13746.1183704585.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13746.1183704585.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7c020$6a485440$1a463043@Guinan>

First time I've seen these available.  I know someone on the FoT list was
asking about them at one point.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125697624&ssPageN
ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010


Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE 68025

From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  6 20:25:27 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:25:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the compliment Mike. Connie and I got a good laugh  
wondering if you would accept an answer of "Slick 50 and S.U.  
carbs" ... probably not. So...  here's the story of the "Plum Pie" :
Maybe best to start with the name - The car # is not actually 314,  
but 3.14 - roughly pi. The funnest color Krylon I could buy by the  
case is Rich Plum. Result being the "Plum Pie".
April 2004, my friend Tom Britt, let me use his Spit racer for SWMS  
[Southwest Motorsport] driving school, knowing full well that he had  
a new fish on for the club.
I had a '63 TR4 that I had bought 3 weeks earlier, sitting down the  
driveway by the gate. I also had the remains of the 14 Triumphs  
hauled out of the mountains. Even I could figure the rest out.
I found the poor old TR in a very roundabout way, sitting in a field  
in northern New Mexico. The tags had expired in 1987. The original  
owner had given it to his daughter who drove it for a month and then  
parked it for reasons I never quite figured out. When I found it,  
various mechanical parts had been "liberated" [generator, fuel pump.  
hoses, clamps, plug wires etc,.]  but it was obviously a pretty much  
intact, original car.  One tire held air and there was evidence of  
every color poly tarp you can imagine. Bought it for $750 and later  
received a $50 refund because they couldn't find the title!
The day after my run in Tom's car, I towed it up to the house,  
installed a batt., got a siphon to the carbs from a gas can and  
sparked it [after a couple of weeks of Marvel in each hole]. Damn  
thing started and idled [ thanks to the "liberators" of N.M. for  
stealing every ounce of fuel out of it!].
6 weeks later it was ready for it's first outing... I, on the other  
hand, was not. After working on it 'till 3am the day of the race, I  
went for a couple hours sleep - 4hrs later was too late for the  
drivers meeting and I was in no condition to drive... blew that  
one!!... Anyway... I made the next race. The car had 68,000 odd miles  
on it, steel wheels, street radials and the motor that had survived  
in that field for so many years. I ran that motor for a year and a  
half while upgrading the rest of he car. October of '05 it won it's  
first race [SWMS All British] on that same motor.
Winter of '05/'06 I went to work on the new motor.
Specs:
Crank - Stock cast. Magnafluxed, stress relieved, shot peened,  
independently balanced.
Rods - Stock cast. Maged, stress relieved, lightened [approx. 110  
grams each] and balanced +/- .5 grams and shot peened
ARP head studs
ARE rod bolts
Pistons/ liners/wrist pins - 87mm Mahle [cast pistons]
Cam - Isky 666 - 486" lift,  286 duration [as I recall]
Lightened cam followers
Custom pushrods [-.115"]
Stock rocker arms, shaft and spring spacers.
All new grade 8 fasteners thru-out.
Compression ratio - 10.6 to 1
Cyl. Head - Used [shaved] head I bought would have been approx. 11.5  
to 1 but I liked the porting, so I enlarged the chamber for the  
compression I wanted. Stock valve springs with alloy retainers.
Port-matched everything.
Flywheel - Stock cast minus about a 11lb. shave. Independently balanced.
Clutch - Stock Borg & Beck. Independently balanced.
Ignition - Points.  I've given up with Pertronix after having two  
failures. I have a new Crane Fireball that I've been carrying around  
with my spares - it runs so strong with the points I might just stick  
with them.
Intake - Stock SU's with [original] early TR4 manifold. Haven't  
touched the original needles or jets. Used to run cheapo velocity  
stacks from Moss but having had a couple break-off at the flange from  
vibration fatigue, I have forsaken them and never noticed any  
difference. Only run filters during the worst New Mexico dust storms.
Exhaust - Unknown header that came with a TR3. 2 1/4" pipe in the  
original location thru to the back. It has a Supertrapp tip on the  
end but I've found that regardless of how big a baffle stack I use,  
it really prefers to be open [at the tracks that still allow such].
Lubrication - stock oil pump and pan with an Accusump.
Cooling - Radiator is out of a Kia, Hyundai or some such - don't  
remember. But it fits nicely into the space provided and is located  
with the original support bars bent to fit. Fully ducted. The only  
problem I had with this installation is that the rad inlet is so  
small that the water wanted to go thru the water-pump bypass rather  
than thru the radiator. Plugging the bypass cured all problems. Even  
with the temps we had in Utah, I never even switched on the electric  
fan and it never got over 85 deg. C - yes it still has the original  
gauge reading centigrade. 6 row oil cooler sits behind the screened- 
over left headlight opening [a speaker grill from a 6" SONY is a  
perfect fit if installed from the inside].
Stock motor mounts. Trans mount is a stock piece with extra thru- 
bolts to make it semi-rigid.
Fuel pump is the square NAPA "clicker" type. Been carrying a nice  
rotary pump in my spares but have never seen the need for it.

Seems to make power to about 6200 rpm [at 5500'], goes flat by 6500  
but will gladly do 6900+ if I want to forsake power to skip a shift.
Built it  totally around Kas's Comp Prep Manual. Only problem is that  
it was printed in 1965. No mention of forged internals or DCOE's ...  
I'll be sure to get a more recent version soon. Oh yah, I just got  
the new book - better read it I guess!

Chassis:
Poly or bronze bushings thru-out. A arm geometry is stock - meaning  
no camber adjustment - measures about 1/2 deg neg. Toe-in is about 1/4".
The road springs are what the car left the factory with - perhaps the  
years in the field did something to "season" them. Maybe it was the  
heat cycles from      -10 winter to +110 summer. I don't know but  
haven't yet gotten to the point of wanting to upgrade. To drop the  
front of the car I simply removed the spacers from the top of the  
coils and re-installed them. For the rear I got a bit more creative.  
Took the bottom leaf out of each side, installed 3 extra spacer  
blocks [per side] between the axle housing and springs and clamped  
them back together with longer U-bolts. When the time came to drop it  
some more I considered longer shackles but didn't like the idea of  
additional side loading that would result. Instead, I took the leaf  
springs to my local spring shop and had them de-arched 1 1/2".
  The rear tube shock conversion is the only thing that may not be  
strictly "vintage legal" in some clubs. Like everything else on the  
car, it is somewhat crude but effective. The brackets bolt to the  
original shock location and run up inside the fenderwell. The shocks  
are located at the bottom to the original mounting plates that have  
been swapped from left to right. Rear shocks are KYB GR2, fronts are  
Koni Classics.
The rear radius arms made the biggest single "seat of the pants"  
improvement I've made and is something I think is often overlooked.  
The transformation was amazing in keeping the rear end planted. The  
difference is hard to imagine unless you've tried them. Everything  
needed came off the shelf of my local speed shop. The bars are 3/4" x  
14" swedged tube with heim joints at both ends. At the front they are  
mounted to brackets welded to the body mounting outrigger that comes  
off the frame toward the back of the doors. The rear heim simply uses  
the same [oversized] bolt used for the shock bottom mount.
No rear sway bar. The front bar is 11/16" that came from another TR4  
but judging by the welded splice in the middle, I have a hunch it  
started life somewhere else.
Rear end has the stock 3.7:1 gears and an open differential. Axles,  
hubs and bearing housings have been magnafluxed and get the treatment  
every year along with the front hubs and stub axles.
The braking system uses stock hydraulics [original calipers with  
fresh O-rings, original wheel cylinders with a light hone and fresh  
kits, original single circuit master], Teflon/braided hoses, Brembo  
rotors and 240Z drums. The rear lining is some type of Kevlar  
composite from TSI and I like them a lot. Can't remember the  
manufacturer of the pads, [CGI?] but they also came from Ted. I am  
still undecided on how well I like them - For the sake of the Miller  
race I removed my questionably legal drilled & slotted rotors and  
Hawk pads, installed the Brembos and the TSI pads and bedded them in  
on Sheep Lane in front of the track. They seemed to get better  
throughout the weekend but I'll have to get back on my home track to  
really know how well I like them. Regarding the single circuit master  
cylinder - an upgrade is on the front burner. Anyone who has been  
behind me knows my lack of faith, proven by the "courtesy pump" I  
habitually give the brake pedal before standing on them - I've had  
plenty of comments about my brake lights coming on in unexpected  
places - No it is not a tactic to confuse my competitors... just self  
preservation.
As of last year I had the car in a state where I stopped making  
changes to it and concentrated on driving it. During the R&D phase,  
every time I made a major change it was like driving a different car  
every time out - very hard to get in a consistent "groove". In the  
last 5 races here at home [Sandia Motor Sports Park] the Plum Pie and  
I have taken 5 consecutive overall vintage wins against all comers -  
911's, 914's 2002's, 240Z's, 510's and even the occasional Lotus or  
TVR. I am quite proud of that little car!
It should also be mentioned that everything done has been with an eye  
toward allowing the car to be brought back to stock if anyone so  
desired - I still have every piece of road equipment that the car  
came with and the only thing cut was a small flap in the trunk floor  
for the fuel line out of the cell. The only thing welded to the car  
are the mounting brackets for the radius arms.
So now maybe you all understand my hesitation to be a FoT... It's a  
matter of "Don't get me started". Perhaps my real nick-name should be  
Long-winded Lunker.
All the best to my new FoT friends,
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
P.S. I just did the unthinkable - got out the file and added up the  
receipts. $10,148.25 is the total including the purchase price of the  
car and 2 sets of Panasports [1 new, 1 used]. If I add 10% for the  
stuff I may have forgotten and pay myself the princely sum of $0.50  
hr. I figure I'm still in it something under $12K.




.
On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Michael Bruner wrote:

> Don't let these Girls and Guys confuse you.  We're a fun group as  
> long as you tell us your secrets to building a TR4 that can keep up  
> with a Chuck Gee Spitfire.
>
>
>
> "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars at earthlink.net> wrote:
> That would be great as I am fairly confused already.
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
>
> On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:
>
> > Oh, no no no. He would be the un-official greeter. And he could
> > convey
> > the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the
> > non-organization of the club.
> >
> > Ernest Husmann wrote:
> >> Would that make Steve the official greeter? Cause the FOT doesn't
> >> have any official types.
> >>
> >> */Susan Kahler /* wrote:
> >>
> >> I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more
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> >> Susan :)
> >>
> >> Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> >>> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
> >> memorize
> >>> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
> >> then let you
> >>> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
> >> Oh, dang, you
> >>> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
> >> can give
> >>> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
> >> market appeal.
> >>> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul  7 08:23:58 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:23:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6/Vitesse NYLATRON ROCKER ARM SPACERS
Message-ID: <bdd.16717c21.33c0fbfe@cs.com>

List:

A few 6 cylinder folks expressed an interest if I made some of these spacers.

I now have a few of these sets available.  It is SEVEN piece set instead of 
FIVE.

(The flat spring on the ends is now eliminated so all 12 rocker arm rotate 
without spring pressure)

> Lighter weight than steel
> Closer tolerances than steel
> Lower cost than steel.
> Grey "marble" looks like metal
> Unconditionally guaranteed.


$26/set to FoT including postage.
With an address I will ship Monday


> A.R.E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>
> N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal



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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul  7 08:29:02 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:29:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hubs and voltmeter wanted
Message-ID: <002601c7c0a3$2cb79720$d783b304@Bud>

Hello..A fellow in the Burlington New Jersey area is looking for rear hubs, a
voltmeter, and maybe more stuff for a street TR6  if anyone can help please
contact James Aaron at tentoad at msn.com
Thanks Gang
Racer Bud in Sonoma Ca.

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul  7 10:23:19 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:23:19 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Crank Scrapers
Message-ID: <d2c.106803a4.33c117f7@cs.com>

Uncle Jack is producing CRANK SCRAPERS for TR3 and TR4 Carillo rods and more 
scrapers are under development for stock rods, for Triumphs. 

With any encouragement, from the list, I think this project could be advanced 
and available by this winter.

Joe (A)


> First time I've seen these available.  I know someone on the FoT list was
> asking about them at one point.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125697624&ssPageN
> ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010
> 
> 
> Joe Guinan
> Fremont, NE 68025
> 

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From Scypher at USA.com  Sat Jul  7 13:09:46 2007
From: Scypher at USA.com (Scypher at USA.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers
Message-ID: <FF90C994-D838-44AF-9A3B-557C9311BA2F@usa.com>

I was one...  I've been emailing him periodically on their status...   
His site has been noting they are in development for a while, and now  
he has made them up with a windage tray and teflon scrapers.  I have a  
full setup for my lightened crank being made up.  You can contact  
Kevin @ www.crank-scrapers.com if anyone wants more info or pictures....

Also, for those of you interested, I made it through SCCA drivers  
school back on june 10th....the 29th anniversary of my car's first  
entry into SCCA racing in 1978.

I'm working through a few motor issues, and should be out regional  
racing late July or early august....

Thanks
-S

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jul  8 09:46:41 2007
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!
Message-ID: <469106E1.5010403@blacksburg.net>

I'm pleased to announce that after almost 14 years of silence, my TR4 
engine has once again found its voice, and sweeeeeet it is!  At about 
2230 3 JUL (we have very forgiving neighbors) it barked to life (tubular 
headers, no muffler yet) on the first crank.  A *huge* "thanks" goes to 
Dale Osterndorf, my buddy and owner of a show-winning TR6, for helping 
out and keeping me sane as the preparations neared completion.  The 
first run only lasted about 5 minutes due to a lean condition - the 
headers glowed red.  On 4 JUL we covered about 30% of the Weber throats 
to richen the mixture and ran in the Isky 777 cam for 15 minutes.  I 
kept a room fan blowing on the headers the whole time just to be sure.

Engine prep: re-profiled, ported and CCd the head (all chambers +/- 0.2 
cc), 10:1 CR, port-matched the tubular header, 5 angle valve job, all 
seats hardened and blended into ports.  Unshrouded the intake valves and 
cut matching "eyebrows" in the sleeves (as an aside, I cut the head 
3/16" from the intake valve lip, which caused head gasket sealing 
problems); Jack Drews' custom head gasket saved the day.  Intake ports 
enlarged to match Canon manifolds.  Weber 40 DCOE carbs with custom 
throttle linkage.  Rods lightened, balanced dead nuts, magged and shot 
peened.  ARP rod and head bolts.  All pistons balanced dead nuts.  All 
rotating components balanced as an assembly (had it not been for the 
"racket" and heat, you wouldn't have known the engine was running - it 
was rock solid steady!), Aluminum flywheel with 6 ARP bolts.  Lip-type 
rear seal.  Alternator, extensive use of extra fuses, Crane XR3000 
ignition with Pertronix PS60 coil, Magnecor wires, NGK plugs. 
Clearanced the oil pump (had 50 PSI using a drill to pre-oil the engine, 
100 PSI cold, 70 hot).  Competition push rods, lightened and balanced 
tappets.  0.062 shims under the rocker pedestals to maintain geometry, 
radiused rocker arms.  Justin Wagner silcone valve cover gasket.

I'm sure there's more stuff, but this list is long enough.  This car 
will be about as close to my old DP car as I can get and still be street 
legal / driveable.  The rest of the drive train and the suspenders have 
been heavily modified as well, but that's for another email.

Yahoo!
-- 
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg  VA
64 TR4 in autox preparation
95% finished, 90% to go

From jibjib at att.net  Sun Jul  8 13:44:57 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>
References: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <028301c7c198$778a98b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

FOT,

Was there some concern over shotpeening the stock rods, due to the material?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Lunker Hilyer
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] FoT Newbie

Rods - Stock cast. Maged, stress relieved, lightened [approx. 110 grams
each] and balanced +/- .5 grams and shot peened 

From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sun Jul  8 14:21:57 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
Message-ID: <002801c7c19d$a20521a0$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt holes,
what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6

From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul  8 19:55:23 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
Message-ID: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici 
   
  I have collected a gaggle of steering racks in search of a good one for my TR4, still not one that works.
  I must have enough good parts to make a useable rack - Is there a steering rack guru somewhere in the country that can put one together?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis DeLap

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Jul  8 21:59:07 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:59:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
Message-ID: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
the differantial with conventional tools ?
Jim Gray
Aurora, Co.

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul  9 00:12:25 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:12:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
In-Reply-To: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4691D1C9.7020009@bradakis.com>

What behavior are you expecting from a rack that works, and what
is it that the ones you have are doing, or not doing, that make you
claim they don't work?  Steering racks are fairly simple, is the issue just
wear on the pinion?

mjb.

From a.r.gibson at bigpond.com  Mon Jul  9 03:00:53 2007
From: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com (Andrew Gibson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:00:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <20070709090103.DHYV23230.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>

Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.

 

Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,

 

Andrew Gibson

TR3A racer, TR4 cruiser


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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  9 04:32:56 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:32:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case 
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove 
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff 
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and 
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long 
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities 
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move 
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it 
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
>_______________________________________________
>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 05:47:09 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:47:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!
References: <469106E1.5010403@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c7c21e$e272f2e0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

JC are you happy with or not???
Hmm
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "FoT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "TR List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!


> I'm pleased to announce that after almost 14 years of silence, my TR4 
> engine has once again found its voice, and sweeeeeet it is!  At about 
> 2230 3 JUL (we have very forgiving neighbors) it barked to life (tubular 
> headers, no muffler yet) on the first crank.  A *huge* "thanks" goes to 
> Dale Osterndorf, my buddy and owner of a show-winning TR6, for helping 
> out and keeping me sane as the preparations neared completion.  The 
> first run only lasted about 5 minutes due to a lean condition - the 
> headers glowed red.  On 4 JUL we covered about 30% of the Weber throats 
> to richen the mixture and ran in the Isky 777 cam for 15 minutes.  I 
> kept a room fan blowing on the headers the whole time just to be sure.
> 
> Engine prep: re-profiled, ported and CCd the head (all chambers +/- 0.2 
> cc), 10:1 CR, port-matched the tubular header, 5 angle valve job, all 
> seats hardened and blended into ports.  Unshrouded the intake valves and 
> cut matching "eyebrows" in the sleeves (as an aside, I cut the head 
> 3/16" from the intake valve lip, which caused head gasket sealing 
> problems); Jack Drews' custom head gasket saved the day.  Intake ports 
> enlarged to match Canon manifolds.  Weber 40 DCOE carbs with custom 
> throttle linkage.  Rods lightened, balanced dead nuts, magged and shot 
> peened.  ARP rod and head bolts.  All pistons balanced dead nuts.  All 
> rotating components balanced as an assembly (had it not been for the 
> "racket" and heat, you wouldn't have known the engine was running - it 
> was rock solid steady!), Aluminum flywheel with 6 ARP bolts.  Lip-type 
> rear seal.  Alternator, extensive use of extra fuses, Crane XR3000 
> ignition with Pertronix PS60 coil, Magnecor wires, NGK plugs. 
> Clearanced the oil pump (had 50 PSI using a drill to pre-oil the engine, 
> 100 PSI cold, 70 hot).  Competition push rods, lightened and balanced 
> tappets.  0.062 shims under the rocker pedestals to maintain geometry, 
> radiused rocker arms.  Justin Wagner silcone valve cover gasket.
> 
> I'm sure there's more stuff, but this list is long enough.  This car 
> will be about as close to my old DP car as I can get and still be street 
> legal / driveable.  The rest of the drive train and the suspenders have 
> been heavily modified as well, but that's for another email.
> 
> Yahoo!
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  9 08:28:55 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] brake rotors
Message-ID: <200707091429.l69ET51h421965@ns3.geneseo.net>

Unsolicited testimonial --

Five years ago I needed to replace my brake rotors. I bought rotors 
through Diversified Cryogenics in Minneapolis, Brembos cryogenically treated.

http://www.diversifiedcryogenics.com/

After four years of really hard brake use, they look like brand new - 
flat, no grooves, never had to touch them.

No financial interest -- just passing along info.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jul  9 12:39:49 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:39:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
In-Reply-To: <20070709090103.DHYV23230.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707091437570.10898-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

Just curious.

rml
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Mon Jul  9 12:57:26 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:57:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <479599626.1184007446714.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>

Ok, I'm new to TRs so tell me if this just isn't done with them. On all my racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the rear so both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an alternative to a Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons on this to share with a TR newbie?
Dave (I'm in learning mode) Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro Chassis ARE-003

---- "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

=============
Hi,

This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

Just curious.

rml
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Mon Jul  9 15:45:59 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
References: <479599626.1184007446714.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <022501c7c272$8b8c8190$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>

Dave, I have run a welded dif on my TR3 for 14 years (and my Devin TR3).
Works great, fun to drive, just a little hard pushing around in the paddock or
garage.

Jeff Snook
www.snooksdreamcars.com
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  From: d.hesse at charter.net
  To: Robert M. Lang ; Andrew Gibson
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] limited slip diff


  Ok, I'm new to TRs so tell me if this just isn't done with them. On all my
racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the rear so
both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an alternative to a
Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons on this to
share with a TR newbie?
  Dave (I'm in learning mode) Hesse
  Portage WI
  Ambro Chassis ARE-003

  ---- "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

  =============
  Hi,

  This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
  looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

  I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

  Just curious.

  rml
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:15:11 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:15:11 GMT
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <20070709.221511.10715.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I bought a TranX diff (plate type) from Cambridge earlier this year.  A bit
pricey, but so far it has been working great.  Joe(B)

-- "Andrew Gibson" <a.r.gibson at bigpond.com> wrote:
Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.



Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,



Andrew Gibson

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:23:48 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:23:48 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
Message-ID: <20070709.222348.10715.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I took a few apart, shortened one and put it back together  Nothing unusual
inside.  It has been in the car for a few years, working great   I think the
only adjustment is a pre-load to take up any play.  Bearings are replacable
too  Joe(B)

-- Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Amici

  I have collected a gaggle of steering racks in search of a good one for my
TR4, still not one that works.
  I must have enough good parts to make a useable rack - Is there a steering
rack guru somewhere in the country that can put one together?

  Thanks
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:30:39 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:30:39 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
Message-ID: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

Yes, remove the stock fiber spacer.  I have the weber soft mounts isolating my
SU's too, but am not using a heat shield, so I can't help you there.   I
installed longer studs to make this work.  I think I had to elongate the holes
on the O-ring plates.  It is ok that the plate only catches 2 studs, since
they are diagonally opposite  You are not tightining the nuts down tight, so
that isssue is a non-issue  Use nyloc nuts to keep them from vibrating loose.
Joe(B)

-- "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:
Hello:

I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt
holes,
what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul  9 22:10:23 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:10:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
In-Reply-To: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
References: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20070710041110.666BB187A6B@autox.team.net>

Mount the heat shield inboard of the soft mount - so you've got 
intake manifold, gasket, heat shield, soft mount, carburetor.

- Tony

At 09:30 PM 7/9/2007, Joe Boruch wrote:
>Yes, remove the stock fiber spacer.  I have the weber soft mounts isolating my
>SU's too, but am not using a heat shield, so I can't help you there.   I
>installed longer studs to make this work.  I think I had to elongate the holes
>on the O-ring plates.  It is ok that the plate only catches 2 studs, since
>they are diagonally opposite  You are not tightining the nuts down tight, so
>that isssue is a non-issue  Use nyloc nuts to keep them from vibrating loose.
>Joe(B)
>
>-- "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
>rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
>carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
>hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt
>holes,
>what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
>Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
>the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.
>
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 04:56:35 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:56:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <c7d.11528c06.33c4bfe3@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 2:49:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
d.hesse at charter.net writes:

On all  my racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the 
rear so  both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an 
alternative to a  Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons 
on this to  share with a TR newbie?



... more affectionally known as the "Lincoln Locker".
Yes they work fine, the car will understeer & it's hard to push around  in 
the paddock.
Glen



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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 08:17:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <001501c7c2fd$11d6c230$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, running
a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

From gasket.works at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 09:40:53 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr-3 pics
References: <BAY102-F32B464CEE62DFB6042EEB8D2050@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c7c308$b4587840$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Dave:

 I will forward your question to the collective wisdom of our triumph
laureates.

Esteemed TRnuts  can anyone assist Dave?  See below.

M. Dunst

----- Original Message -----
From: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
To: <gasket.works at gte.net>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: tr-3 pics


> I am trying to build a scale model of the #27 1959 tr-3 and I have some
> questions,
> -what color was the interior?
> -what color were the wires?
> -did the car have a standard windscreen or a racing one?
> I have looked in the Triumph books that I have and all over the internet
and
> I can not seem to find anything consistent. Any help you could give me
would
> be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is:
> dllord at hotmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue Jul 10 09:07:36 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:07:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
Message-ID: <200707101507.l6AF7ljS189495@ns3.geneseo.net>

I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

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From koblinger at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 09:26:55 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] tr-3 pics
Message-ID: <31967591.810541184081216747.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>

More info would be helpful. What race in which year? Factory car, private entry, drivers?

Cheers,
Kurt O.


>From: MDunst/Gasket Works <gasket.works at verizon.net>
>Date: 2007/07/10 Tue AM 10:40:53 CDT
>To: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] tr-3 pics

>Dave:
>
> I will forward your question to the collective wisdom of our triumph
>laureates.
>
>Esteemed TRnuts  can anyone assist Dave?  See below.
>
>M. Dunst
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
>To: <gasket.works at gte.net>
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:31 PM
>Subject: tr-3 pics
>
>
>> I am trying to build a scale model of the #27 1959 tr-3 and I have some
>> questions,
>> -what color was the interior?
>> -what color were the wires?
>> -did the car have a standard windscreen or a racing one?
>> I have looked in the Triumph books that I have and all over the internet
>and
>> I can not seem to find anything consistent. Any help you could give me
>would
>> be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is:
>> dllord at hotmail.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jul 10 10:16:33 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:16:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c2fd$11d6c230$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>

My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company called
Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop. 
My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
elevation. 
Good luck
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] plug wires

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:01:56 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <BAY115-F23887761E26C206E7B68B68C050@phx.gbl>

Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil 
lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some 
additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.

Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC

>I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, 
>running
>a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
>vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

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From d.hesse at charter.net  Tue Jul 10 13:33:32 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flow My Head Dude
Message-ID: <674613522.1184096012726.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

Henry,
Have you tried Mike Miller at Comptune 864-638-6316 or Hap Waldrop at Acme Speedshop Shop 864-370-3000 (acmespeedshop.com). Hap does good work and support a number of racers in both SCCA and in vintage.
Dave Hesse
Portage, WI
Ambro ARE-003

---- dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:

=============
Hello, Anyone on the list recommend a business to port the head for my 1622
cc BMC (don't want to use the MG word)engine?
Is any one on the list interested in doing it? Joe? Jack?

Cheers, Henry Morrison,

TR3
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:45:11 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:45:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096680@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Ugh. I've found no evidence that those things work.


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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of James Gray
Sent: Sun 7/8/2007 8:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
the differantial with conventional tools ?
Jim Gray
Aurora, Co.
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jul 10 14:44:57 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:44:57 GMT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <20070710.164457.19371.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Magnecor will custom make wires for you.  Just tell them what you want, with
what boots, lengths, etc.  I have gotten a couple sets for my TR3 that way.
Joe(B)

-- "S. Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil
lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some
additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.

Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC

>I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
>running
>a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
>vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:46:18 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
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Ditto--I beat the living bejeezus out of my TranX without a whimper. Works
great, the diff stays reasonably cool, and it's been together for two years.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Joe Boruch
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 7:15 PM
To: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] limited slip diff

I bought a TranX diff (plate type) from Cambridge earlier this year.  A bit
pricey, but so far it has been working great.  Joe(B)

-- "Andrew Gibson" <a.r.gibson at bigpond.com> wrote:
Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.



Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,



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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:48:36 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:48:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
	<200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096682@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Best way I've found is to put the thing in a press with the axles parallel to
the press and push gently down on the banjo. this springs the case lengthwise
and you can pull the carrier right out. Nice for shimming too--just release
tension to check, retension to change a shim.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 3:32 AM
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:52:37 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:52:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096683@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company called
Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
elevation.
Good luck
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] plug wires

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
walt at hot-tr6.com
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:54:24 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox><200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096684@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I meant perpendicular to the press--parallel to the floor.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 1:48 PM
To: Jack W. Drews; James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Best way I've found is to put the thing in a press with the axles parallel to
the press and push gently down on the banjo. this springs the case lengthwise
and you can pull the carrier right out. Nice for shimming too--just release
tension to check, retension to change a shim.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 3:32 AM
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 10 14:58:40 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Bill Babcock wrote:

> BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??

Yep.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 15:04:14 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096683@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
	<011a01c7c335$d0163db0$4d13c548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096686@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't with
me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 10 15:17:19 2007
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
Message-ID: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a circle-track-type coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout arrangement. The former owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because Tilton no longer makes them for TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd love to know too. But assuming it's true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jul 10 15:40:50 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096686@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <20070710214139.82C10187A70@autox.team.net>

The threaded part of the NGK BP6ES plug is 3/4". From the bottom of the
compression ring to the tip of the plus is 15/16"
Walt 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Kas Kastner; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't
with me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more
to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653.
I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 16:58:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:58:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
In-Reply-To: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <8C9915CEDF2182C-1160-59C0@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com>

Jack,

Try Dave Bean, http://www.davebean.com/.

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
To: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tilton clutch



Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a circle-track-type 
coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout arrangement. The former 
owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because Tilton no longer makes them for 
TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd love to know too. But assuming it's 
true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some 
pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably 
sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 17:00:06 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:00:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 45 DCOEs
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All,

I'm looking for a pair of 45 DCOEs.? Anyone have some laying around?

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue Jul 10 19:23:27 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:23:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <cc2.130ad1f0.33c58b0f@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil 
> lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some 
> additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.
> 
> Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
> 
> >I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, 
> >running
> >a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
> >vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

Whilst it is true that there are many good quality plug wires out there, I 
too am using Magnceor, # M-65221 for several years now to good effect.

On my Vitesse, (1998cc) Mk.2 engine, (same as GT6+), I am also using NGK 
stock # 6637:BPR6EIX Iridium Plugs - from Rockauto.com
(now gapped to 40 thou')

With Mallory Dual Point distribitor :YL type, model 23, part # MAA-2367801, 
(vented, non-flame arrested).         

fitted with Pertronix ML-161, and a MSD # 8202 Coil, (mounted on the front 
bulkhead).

and a MSD Digital 6 Ignition pack - with rev limiter.

Regards

Leon

  


 




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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Jul 10 19:39:07 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:39:07 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F9C9@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <002201c7c35c$47577530$2a11efdc@co3017577a>

Henry
You are correct it was a early finger type clutch . I have not heard of a
diaphram clutch exploding but we have had a number of flywheels come off the
2.5 motors but not come through the bell housing.

Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Geoffrey Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> Geoff,
>
> Do you know what kind of clutch it was that exploded?
>
> Any chance it was it a stock finger-type TR2-4? I have heard of a couple
> of those that have let go.
>
> Anybody ever hear of a TR4A-6 diaphragm spring type clutch letting go?
>
> PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
> steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
> the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoffrey Byrne
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields
> >
> > One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the
> > straight at Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and
> > dumped the fragments in the passenger footwell . No shield
> > just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky guy. Our regs in
> > Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics Geoff Byrne

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 19:37:18 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:37:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:

Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC


Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds  
for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid conditions!  
Steve



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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue Jul 10 19:43:25 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
References: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1I8RE1-0001Wb-00@pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

At 09:37 PM 7/10/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
>
>
>Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds
>for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid 
>conditions!

I've lived in Denver and the DC area - I'd much rather have 105 degrees
in Denver than 95 degrees in DC.  Actually, come to think of it, I'd much
rather be in Denver than DC in any kind of weather...


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 20:15:50 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:15:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire headers part 2
Message-ID: <001601c7c361$67943a40$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

First off, thanks to all who offered suggestions and advice regarding my
previous question on Spitfire headers.  For a variety of reasons, I am going
with a custom built header.  Next week, the header flange will be cut.  If
anyone else is interested in a header flange for a 1300 Spitfire, please
contact me directly by Friday.  At this point, I have no idea of the cost
but I will be able to get a good idea once I see how many I'll be having
made.

Also, thanks for the tip on the Spitfire crank scraper.  I ordered one,
along with a windage tray this morning.  The timing was perfect considering
where I stand in the new motor build.

Jim Norlin

From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Jul 10 21:10:21 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:10:21 +1000
Subject: [Fot] AUS 2007 All Triumph Race
Message-ID: <01b601c7c369$059df990$2a11efdc@co3017577a>

AMICI
The 2007 Down under annual All Triumph was run and won in late June at the
same venue as last year . Two hours drive south of Sydney is Goulburn's
Wakefield Park Raceway which was again the venue for the annual All British
Race meeting which included two all Triumph races on the program .
Interstate entries of Triumphs  had come from Queensland , Victoria and South
Australia
Ninteen Triumphs entered,  dominated by 6 Dollomites including one very quick
turbo charged Dolly ; 3 TR8 ; 3 TR7; 2 TR6 ; 2 SEDANS ; 2 GT6 and the first
appearance of the Factory all aluminium body racing Spitfire which was
campaigned by Brian Sampson for the factory in the AMI Racing Team .
As soon as the cars commenced practice it was obvious that the TR8s and the
turbo Dolly would dominated the front of the field
This year the race was sponsored by Sports Car Spares and the Pitstop Bookshop
with over a $1200 in prize money and vouchers  up for grabs .
Pole setter Gary Angel in the 4.4L TR8 convertible took the lead from the
first corner and was not headed to achieve a comfortable win from the 4.6L TR8
of Jeff Wards second from the turbo Dolly of Mark Morsillo third. One GT6 did
not start. 18 Triumphs stared and all finished . A video is being produced of
the race and plans are already in place for next years race with more entries

Geoff Byrne
TR6 Down Under

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue Jul 10 21:04:58 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:04:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV7D11AF7189F3EBE6E5FE3B7040@phx.gbl>

Oh come on... come to Denver! It was 60 deg. this morning. (but it's a dry
coolness ; -)   So dry in fact I had to swap out the o-rings in the ole' 1.5
Strom's!
Leakin like Georgie's  deficit they were...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gt6steve at aol.com<mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com>
  To: hottr6 at hotmail.com<mailto:hottr6 at hotmail.com> ;
S.Janzen at comcast.net<mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net>
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
  hottr6 at hotmail.com<mailto:hottr6 at hotmail.com> writes:

  Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC


  Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds
  for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid
conditions!
  Steve



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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 06:55:07 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
References: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096687@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I've got some spare bits for the Tilton clutch at home--Peyote had one
originally but I replaced it with the Quartermaster rally two plate. You can
have the bits, but the old Tilton clutch is pretty brutal. The QM setup is
progressive, responsive, and good for about 500 HP I'd guess.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Gary Schneider
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:17 PM
To: Jack W. Drews; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tilton clutch

Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a
circle-track-type coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout
arrangement. The former owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because
Tilton no longer makes them for TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd
love to know too. But assuming it's true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm
afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some
pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably
sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 -
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars.
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know
about the TR application?

uncle jack



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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 06:58:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:58:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710214122.8C22728506@mxfilter.bnj.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Yeah, I know, I was just surprised to hear that TR6's take 3/4 reach since
TR3/4 is 1/2" (BP6HC if you can find them). Geezer bike mechanics like me have
the full line of NGK plug specs memorized.


-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Hollowell [mailto:walt at hot-tr6.com]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:40 PM
To: Bill Babcock; 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] plug wires

The threaded part of the NGK BP6ES plug is 3/4". From the bottom of the
compression ring to the tip of the plus is 15/16"
Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Kas Kastner; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't
with me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more
to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653.
I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed Jul 11 08:08:11 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers
Message-ID: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>

Is there enough interest in the racing community for me to take a run 
at Eaton and try to convince them to make a short run of new Detroit 
Lockers for the TR3-4-6 cars?

uncle jack 



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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 08:26:16 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:26:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO Body and Triumph Frame Available for new build.
Message-ID: <c32.142c9382.33c64288@cs.com>

Lists:

AMBRO body (unbuilt & unmolested) available and first time offering.  Would 
be possible AMBRO 'continuation of build'.        #ARE-004     and approved for 
vintage racing with most sanctioning bodies.

Body less than list price and includes TR3 chassis with rack & pinion 
conversion. Some body support work done.  $3900

Located in Oklahoma

I have digital pictures that I can send when I return from travel.

I will be at PVGP    TRF   VTR  in the next few days, if someone wants to 
discuss.

Contact me at 319.464.4711 to discuss and or meet.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Wed Jul 11 08:34:09 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <E1I8RE1-0001Wb-00@pop-canoe.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000001c7c3c8$91990a70$57e8a8c0@DWC>

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of R. John Lye
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:43 PM
To: Gt6steve at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; S.Janzen at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


At 09:37 PM 7/10/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
>hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
>
>
>Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart 
>bleeds for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  
>horrid conditions!

I've lived in Denver and the DC area - I'd much rather have 105 degrees in
Denver than 95 degrees in DC.  Actually, come to think of it, I'd much
rather be in Denver than DC in any kind of weather...


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


Hi John!  If any of you would just stop off on the third coast in Houston,
it would condition you to either place, maybe any place.  I would give you
some one-up-man-ship stories, like a real Texan, but suffice it to say the
summers here have matching temps and humidity numbers on a regular basis. I
used to think that 100% humidity meant you were under water, then I learned
that it just makes you wish you were.

Don Carter
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jul 11 10:16:02 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>

I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 10:16:08 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>

Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Jul 11 10:52:10 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <002a01c7c3db$d2cb6e30$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Dave:

I don't know of any TRs that will be at the Historics, however, some might 
be at the Pre-Historics which is held the prior weekend at Laguna Seca. 
Acceptance letters have gone out already so the complete entry list will be 
posted on the Historics website soon 
http://montereyhistoric.com/participants/list.html. Its a great show which 
you'll enjoy.  Just be sure to get to the track early to avoid the traffic. 
Hope you've already made hotel reservations!

Gary

 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


>I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey 
>Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
>the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
>share of CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jul 11 11:08:06 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <380-2200773111786624@M2W011.mail2web.com>

Yes, they are!  French Creek in particular--I was worried about it
yesterday and called.

Susan     :)


Original Message:
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:08 EDT
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?


Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jul 11 11:12:44 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
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Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707111311570.14661-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Is PA open for business now?

Yes.
 
> Passed the budget?

Yes, it was in the news last evening.

> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.
> 
> Joe & Jan


rml

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From john at race-dogs.com  Wed Jul 11 12:20:50 2007
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <000301c7c3e8$35dfb1f0$800101df@jawsxp>

I will the fortunate one driving a  1952 Allard K2- #891
This is my Fathers car that has turned the driving duties over to me-
Looking forward to my first Monterrey Historic event as a Driver -

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP3

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


>I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey 
>Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
>the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
>share of CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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From budscars at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 12:28:09 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (CHARLES DELAUER)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
In-Reply-To: <000301c7c3e8$35dfb1f0$800101df@jawsxp>
Message-ID: <BAY5-F72263B351A72F0E3C4FE4C6040@phx.gbl>

I will be there as crew for Bruce John..driving a red BMC Huffaker Form. jr.
Racer Bud..spitfire #21  CSRG


>From: "John W" <john at race-dogs.com>
>Reply-To: John W <john at race-dogs.com>
>To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:50 -0700
>
>I will the fortunate one driving a  1952 Allard K2- #891
>This is my Fathers car that has turned the driving duties over to me-
>Looking forward to my first Monterrey Historic event as a Driver -
>
>John W.
>Spitfire #892 DP
>240z CP3
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
>To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>
>
> >I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
> >Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
> >the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
> >share of CA wines!
> > Who's cars should I be looking for?
> > Dave Hesse
> > Portage WI
> > Ambro build #ARE-003
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 12:34:43 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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References: <20070710214122.8C22728506@mxfilter.bnj.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock <BillB at bnj.com>

Yeah, I know, I was just surprised to hear that TR6's take 3/4 reach 
since
TR3/4 is 1/2" (BP6HC if you can find them). Geezer bike mechanics like 
me have
the full line of NGK plug specs memorized.

==AM==
Let's see now... the 948cc Herald engine took 3/4" reach plugs. The 
almost identical 1147cc Herald/Spitfire engine took 1/2" reach plugs. 
The 1296cc Herald/Spitfire and the 1493 Spitfire engines took 3/4" 
reach plugs. Confusing to say the least!


--Andy  Mace

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Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 12:55:14 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609668F@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Painful to say, I'll be elsewhere, but look for Greg Solow for sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of d.hesse at charter.net
Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?

I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch the
races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair share of
CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
billb at bnj.com
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 12:56:04 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:56:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
References: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096690@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

the park at Lake Arthur is reopened, I assume the rest of the state is too.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?

Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jul 11 20:01:35 2007
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:01:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers
In-Reply-To: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <46958B7F.4000807@blacksburg.net>

Jack W. Drews wrote:
> Is there enough interest in the racing community for me to take a run 
> at Eaton and try to convince them to make a short run of new Detroit 
> Lockers for the TR3-4-6 cars?
> 
> uncle jack 

Jack, if they can make one for < $1K, count me in.

Jim

-- 
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Blacksburg  VA
64 TR4 in autox preparation
95% finished, 90% to go

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 20:33:32 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:33:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <380-22007741223332985@M2W004.mail2web.com>

how are you getting there//?

Original Message:
-----------------
From:  d.hesse at charter.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Wed Jul 11 20:35:42 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
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I wish that I were going to be there, but my entry was not accepted.
                                                                             
    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <d.hesse at charter.net>; "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


> Painful to say, I'll be elsewhere, but look for Greg Solow for sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of d.hesse at charter.net
> Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
> To: fot
> Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>
> I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
> Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
> the
> races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
> share of
> CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jul 11 22:08:49 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <894363384.1184213329224.JavaMail.root@fepweb07>

We're flying out on Thursday and back on Monday. Long weekend. Actually it was
my wife and my buddies wife that jumped at the opportunity when I brought it
up. So the four of us are coming out for the weekend. We already have 3 people
willing to bail us out if we get into trouble? We've got the Rodney
Dangerfield outfit for the Pebble Beach Concours.
Schedule thus far: Friday Laguna Seca for Historics, Saturday ?, and Sunday
Pebble Beach. And of course drink/taste test lots of CA wine. I need to see if
they have one that can top the Riesling from Glenora Winery in NY.
We're staying at a B&B in Santa Cruz. So we'll get our fair share of driving
in to get places.
Dave Hesse
Ambro build ARE-003

---- "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

=============
how are you getting there//?

Original Message:
-----------------
From: d.hesse at charter.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 07:14:57 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:14:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
Message-ID: <8C9929DC7716932-51C-AA84@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com>

Some info for those of you who offered to help.? Tech inspection is scheduled for 2-4pm Wednesday in the Sheraton parking lot (though it will likely run a little longer), and from 8-10am Thursday.

Preliminary course setup starts around 5:30pm Wednesday.? Final course setup will start by 7am Thursday.? First car off 9:30 am.

Four heats. 30 cars per heat.? First two heats are for "Stock" class cars.? Everyone else runs third or fourth heat.

The course is within walking distance of the hotel.? I will get there about 3:30 pm Tuesday.? 

See ya soon...

Rich Rock

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu Jul 12 08:59:13 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:59:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers - nada
Message-ID: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>

No hope for a short run of Detroit Lockers. The type LS ceased 
production 20 years ago, and in the interim a chief engineer 
responsible for records threw away all the drawings (so the present 
people say). plus Eaton is interested only in high volume product.

Sorry about that, gang.

uncle jack 



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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jul 12 09:10:41 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts
Message-ID: <46964471.6080903@bright.net>

List members. We are packing for VTR.  Several of you have contacted us 
about bringing shirts to VTR.  If anyone else wants their shirts taken 
to VTR, please let me know ASAP.  We still need to hear from several 
people on shirt shipping and payment. Thanks for your time.  Ted

-- 
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 09:18:58 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers - nada
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References: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707120818j5db6fd47m214673602ab74a60@mail.gmail.com>

I would participate in a mass buy of the Tran-X [Salisbury] diff.  I think
Ken Gillanders sells them??  But they come form England.

On 7/12/07, Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net> wrote:
>
> No hope for a short run of Detroit Lockers. The type LS ceased
> production 20 years ago, and in the interim a chief engineer
> responsible for records threw away all the drawings (so the present
> people say). plus Eaton is interested only in high volume product.
>
> Sorry about that, gang.
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jul 12 06:08:58 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:08:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
In-Reply-To: <200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
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And don't let the end caps get swapped...

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:32:56 -0500, Jack W. Drews wrote
> Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case 
> spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove 
> the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff 
> carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and 
> bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long 
> screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities 
> of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move 
> it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift 
> it the rest of the way out.
> 
> At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
> >I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
> >IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
> >the differantial with conventional tools ?
> >Jim Gray
> >Aurora, Co.
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 12 20:32:47 2007
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (s.janzen at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <071320070232.2900.4696E44F000D3FB600000B542200735834020A96020E06D29C@comcast.net>

yep - budget got worked out over the weekend.  The slot machines were only closed for one day.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> Is PA open for business now?
> 
> Passed the budget?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.
> 
> Joe & Jan
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 13:04:39 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:04:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Building a 150 hp engine
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707131204m3956cfc0jdb0d3c7fce1cf1e0@mail.gmail.com>

Do not think Kas got 240+ HP with carbs like he did with PI [14:1
compression, rebuild about every 4 hours of use?].

150 with 9.5:1 might be a reach.  No one has mentioned the other variable on
breathing -- and that is exhaust.  The exhaust system is what sucks the
gases out of the cylinder, not just the push of the piston [exhaust is up to
80% or more as I remember from the Vizzard article I read].  You do need to
port the head and you probably need to go to a good tubular header and
single 2.5" exhaust pipe system to optimize the power of the carbs and
cam.   I am having astreet car engine built now -- it will have the Webers,
header, ported head, and a Kent D9 cam -- which is pretty aggressive but
still idles ok for me -- it has been in the car before.

This car will be for sale when I get it back together.  It will contain the
above rebuilt engine, an Electromotive crank fired ignition system, a Herman
Van Den Akker Toyota 5 speed, a Good PArts conversion to the Nissan 300Z
diff, racing seats, roll bar, fuel cell, and 16" Panasport wheels [plus the
original seats, an unistalled luggage rack and conveyable top frame, and a
set of steel rims with AVS intermediate tires].  Would be interested if
anyone is interested in this car, and if so, what they would be willing to
pay.  I will setup a website with pictures when ready and offer the car to
the Triumphs, 6Pack and FOT lists before going the eBay route.

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 15:20:25 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Message-ID: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>

What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?  I have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size but doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500

From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 16:01:19 2007
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:01:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Message-ID: <8740663.1184364079332.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi I am looking for a factory wiring diagram for a Nov of 71 Spit.  Any one have one they can email  I have the Haynes one   jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thanks   Joe

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jul 13 16:02:34 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:02:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74611E9C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I'm running 205/60-13s on both the Spitfire racer and my autox/street
GT6.  No flares on either, though it helps to roll up the inner fender
lips.  Both run on the 5-inch minilight pretender wheels.

I'm assuming this is for a Spitfire...

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 4:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Importance: Low

What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?
I have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size
but doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 16:08:58 2007
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:08:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] 72 Spitfire wiring diagram
Message-ID: <26595987.1184364538808.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I am looking for a factory wiring diagram anyone have one they can email me. thanks  joe

From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 16:27:08 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:27:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Building a 150 hp engine
Message-ID: <071320072227.24290.4697FC3C000C7E2600005EE22207020653970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> 

> Do not think Kas got 240+ HP with carbs like he did with PI [14:1 
> compression, rebuild about every 4 hours of use?]. 
I thought I remembered him telling us he got 258 hp on Strombergs, when he was speaking at a VTR Convention a few years ago (Portland, OR).
Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 16:30:11 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:30:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7c59d$61614350$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

5 1/2 inch x 13 Panasports with 0 offset Formula Ford rims.  Tires are a bit
small at 175/60-13.  However even with the inner fender rims rolled up, I
still kiss the outer corner of the tire on the front fender when I drop the
ride height down to where I want it.

Jim Norlin


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires


What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?  I
have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size but
doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 13 19:47:38 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:47:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
References: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>

Is this a squaretail or early roundtail car?  Squaretail cars have
more room to start with.

mjb.

From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 20:05:43 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>
References: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
	<46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <f4c2dcd6576a9.4697f737@insightbb.com>

Roundtail

aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Date: Friday, July 13, 2007 21:47
Subject: Re: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
To: fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net

> Is this a squaretail or early roundtail car?  Squaretail 
> cars have
> more room to start with.
> 
> mjb.

From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Fri Jul 13 22:55:48 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:55:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

Leon

<A HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963</A>  
    
    
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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 00:27:47 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] cranks
Message-ID: <007401c7c5e0$18e426e0$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Crankshafts have been UPS'd or ground Fedexe'd on June 12.

They are going to make another run as they have two additional orders -so if
interested let me know.
M. Dunst
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
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626.628.3777 Fax
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Fri Jul 13 23:18:27 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:18:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV124B03B5FE8A58934FBA98B7FE0@phx.gbl>

seemed ok yesterday   kev
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  Hi,

  Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

  He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

  Leon

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 06:15:18 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:15:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <071420071215.24930.4698BE5600032942000061622200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net>

Joe Alexander is on the road. I spoke to him the other evening from Ohio. He is at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix at Schenley Park this weekend, and is working his way towards VTR.

I'm sure at some point soon he will check his email.

Irv

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "KEVIN LYNCH" <klynch_6 at msn.com> 

> seemed ok yesterday kev 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com 
> To: fot at autox.team.net 
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM 
> Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander 
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Does anyone know if Joe is OK? 
> 
> He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him. 
> 
> Leon 
> 
> > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho 
> ts.com/user/vitesse1963> 3Ehttp://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963%3C/A>> 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 08:01:17 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:01:17 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <d68.b938e2e.33ca312d@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/13/2007 11:56:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes:


> Does anyone know if Joe is OK?
> 

Joe Alexander?  Geezzz...that's a tough question.  Ask Jan.

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 11:17:52 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:17:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <071420071717.17354.4699054000038556000043CA2207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: BillDentin at aol.com 

> Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan. 
I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
;-)
Irv

From Scypher at USA.com  Sat Jul 14 12:09:53 2007
From: Scypher at USA.com (Scypher at USA.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <E44B0AB1-9219-4441-9F95-55AA98CECC8E@usa.com>

I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided  
at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under  
stage of their life.

How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need  
to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an  
already prepped crank to the next size.

Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from  
the factory?

Thanks
-Scott

From scypher at usa.com  Sat Jul 14 12:29:18 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0707141116l2f3c2ecw974bf16b0f824bff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E44B0AB1-9219-4441-9F95-55AA98CECC8E@usa.com>
	<8cbd782d0707141116l2f3c2ecw974bf16b0f824bff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <093213AD-AB3D-4661-A340-BA7C3044B473@usa.com>

This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and  
nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie  
surface hardness)

Thanks
-S


On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010  
> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt  
> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least . 
> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they  
> were at when nitrad
>
> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under
> stage of their life.
>
> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an
> already prepped crank to the next size.
>
> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> the factory?
>
> Thanks
> -Scott
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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> -- 
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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul 14 15:54:58 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE RACE CAR WANTED
Message-ID: <007901c7c661$a1499570$e98cb304@Bud>

Hi Folks...If anyone knows of a vintage racing Spitfire...GT6..or Tr4 that
would likely be CSRG acceptable(basicaly period correct for 1967 SCCA
production car specs), please contact Jim Barger at jcbarger at sbcglobal.net
Thanks
Racer Bud  Spitfire #21  Sonoma, Ca.

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 18:27:30 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c7c676$ee711f20$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

I saw Joe and Jan at British Car Day at the PVGP today. Seemed O.K. to me. 
He was vertical and taking nourishment.

Ed Woods 

From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Sat Jul 14 19:58:27 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:58:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 3-rail spitfire shifter help needed
Message-ID: <f3daa57a52103.46994703@insightbb.com>

Amici...

I'm tired of breaking spherical bushings on my 3 rail gearbox.

Anyone out there have something or know of something a little better?

I just bought a new one and it cracked while I was sliding it on!

aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500

From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat Jul 14 23:43:33 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <ce4.157b869d.33cb0e05@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com 
> 
> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan. 
> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
> ;-)
> Irv
> 
It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.

It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for 
another, would we?

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Jul 15 10:09:22 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:09:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive transmission
Message-ID: <000001c7c6fa$8211d980$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I'm looking for an OD trans for my TR4, has anyone got a spare they
would be willing to part with ?
Thanks,
Jim Gray

From mattspit at att.net  Sun Jul 15 15:15:33 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:15:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or scratching it. 
All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re-nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other part of the crank it is probably fine.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and  
> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie  
> surface hardness)
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010  
> > under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt  
> > engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least . 
> > 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they  
> > were at when nitrad
> >
> > On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> > I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> > at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under
> > stage of their life.
> >
> > How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> > to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an
> > already prepped crank to the next size.
> >
> > Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> > the factory?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > triosan at gmail.com
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> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Chuck Arnold
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From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Tue Jul 10 17:36:02 2007
From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:36:02 +1000
Subject: [Fot] RE limited slip diffs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14911.1184081534.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c7c34b$13fefcf0$0301010a@purplebox>

We are currently doing an engineering viability exercise on remaking the
Salisbury plate type LSD for TR3-6, Stag etc. At this stage there is no
impediment and all the machine work and parts have been identified. they
would be around Aus$1800. This may be too expensive for you guys in the
USA, but it's competitive with alternatives bought here from UK. If
anyone is interested, let me know.
Terry O'Beirne 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 16 05:37:19 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:37:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <380-2200771161137193@M2W040.mail2web.com>

Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
wireless.

Joe A



Original Message:
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From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>
> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
> ;-)
> Irv
>
It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.

It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
another, would we?

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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul 16 05:46:42 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <380-2200771161137193@M2W040.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c7c79e$fb0f90d0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
If so where
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
> wireless.
>
> Joe A
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>
>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>>
> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>
> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
> another, would we?
>
> L
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From scypher at usa.com  Mon Jul 16 05:48:36 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
In-Reply-To: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>
References: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>
Message-ID: <263E6A77-B635-4709-9DC8-A63C8C122EB2@usa.com>

I will give this a try tonite.

Can you explain salt bath nitriding ?  I've only heard of plasma/ion  
and furnace nitriding.

Do you do this yourself, or do you have someone do this process?

Thanks
-S


On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, mattspit at att.net wrote:

> Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or  
> scratching it.
> All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is  
> not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
> If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area  
> other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
> Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place  
> where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re- 
> nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other  
> part of the crank it is probably fine.
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>>
>> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and
>> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie
>> surface hardness)
>>
>> Thanks
>> -S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010
>>> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt
>>> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least .
>>> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they
>>> were at when nitrad
>>>
>>> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
>>> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
>>> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040  
>>> under
>>> stage of their life.
>>>
>>> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
>>> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning  
>>> down an
>>> already prepped crank to the next size.
>>>
>>> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
>>> the factory?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Scott
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> triosan at gmail.com
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Chuck Arnold
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 16 05:59:53 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>

I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any get
together.

Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
If so where
Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
> wireless.
>
> Joe A
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>
>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>>
> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>
> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
> another, would we?
>
> L
>
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>
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul 16 06:15:05 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:15:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

OK Joe
It looks like I will get there on Wednesday
John will be there on Tuesday. His computer is down so I can pass anything 
information on Monday only.
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <wensley_tr at comcast.net>; <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


>I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any get
> together.
>
> Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
> like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
> If so where
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
>> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
>> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
>> wireless.
>>
>> Joe A
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
>> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>>
>>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>>
>>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>>> ;-)
>>> Irv
>>>
>> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>>
>> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
>> another, would we?
>>
>> L
>>
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>>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 16 09:27:22 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:27:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
	<BAY124-DAV124B03B5FE8A58934FBA98B7FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096697@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Joe is traveling--I saw him Saturday at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Fri 7/13/2007 10:18 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander

seemed ok yesterday   kev
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com<mailto:Guyots3 at wmconnect.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander


  Hi,

  Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

  He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

  Leon

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Jul 16 10:34:48 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>

 Hello all,  just a thank you to Ted & Marty etc. as the shirt looks great.

Kev Lynch

From billsohl at optonline.net  Mon Jul 16 10:58:06 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR FOT Convention attendees
In-Reply-To: <005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>
References: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>
	<005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>
Message-ID: <5D36DDE002EB4878B1A1C4C038995C7D@SohlPC>

I will be down there on Thursday and Friday.

Plan is to have my Unrestored original Signal Red 61 TR-3A on the concour 
field in a "do not judge" capacity for others to view.
We also plan to attend the various Thursday evening festivities.

Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig" <wensley_Tr at comcast.net>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> OK Joe
> It looks like I will get there on Wednesday
> John will be there on Tuesday. His computer is down so I can pass anything
> information on Monday only.
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <wensley_tr at comcast.net>; <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
>>I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any 
>>get
>> together.
>>
>> Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
>> like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>> Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
>> If so where
>> Craig
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>> To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
>>> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now 
>>> have
>>> wireless.
>>>
>>> Joe A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
>>> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>>>
>>>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>>>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>>>> ;-)
>>>> Irv
>>>>
>>> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>>>
>>> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
>>> another, would we?
>>>
>>> L
>>>
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>>>
>> HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websh
>>> ots.com/user/vitesse1963</A>
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul 16 11:08:56 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumphest Posters & Raffle Tickets
Message-ID: <20070716171132.IPKM1393.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

DCTRA (Desert Center - Triumph Register of America) will be hosting 
Triumphest this year and one of our members has designed up a parody 
event poster that commemorates the obvious theme (007) due to the 
year 2007, that the event is being held at a Casino and that Bond 
drove a Stag in the Film.

The response to the parody posters has been so well received that we 
have decided to make them available directly along with being able to 
purchase Raffle Tickets for the Car lift that will be awarded at Triumphest.

Here is a link to the order form on the TFest website.

http://www.triumphest.com/?page_id=39

-----------------------------
For those receiving this email that are not familiar with Triumphest 
it is an event started in the late 80's that is hosted on a revolving 
annual basis by the West Coast (California and Arizona) Triumph Auto Clubs.

From roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Mon Jul 16 16:04:08 2007
From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:04:08 +1000
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1350.1184605105.12556.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>

The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the hottank
absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a depth of
around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it done that
way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the workshop, and
it is definitely NOT nitrided
terry

From scypher at usa.com  Mon Jul 16 17:29:38 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
In-Reply-To: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>
References: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>
Message-ID: <40689F58-9C7D-402D-9582-42F0073FE414@usa.com>

I'm not familiar with the various vendors who perform nitriding.  Can  
y'all give me a few recommended ones?

Thanks
-S


On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:04 PM, "Terry and Cindy"  
<roadandtrack at bigpond.com> wrote:

> The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the  
> hottank
> absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
> cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a  
> depth of
> around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
> nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it  
> done that
> way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the  
> workshop, and
> it is definitely NOT nitrided
> terry
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Jul 16 19:00:54 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Book problems
Message-ID: <019b01c7c80d$ede757c0$4d13c548@RWKastner>

It has come to my attention some of the 3rd edition of the Competition
Preparation Manual (first book) has an error in the text on page 61 and page
204. (text is transposed from one area to the other) Nothing I could control
as it was an error at the print shop.

I have a corrected copy fix available by E-mail for any that have found this
error in their book. The corrected page is a simply print it and paste into
the book over the original page.

This applies only to the 3rd printing of the book. Check the first page of
your book for the print edition. For the corrected pages,  just send me an
E-mail and I'll E-mail the corrected pages. Sorry for the difficulty and
inconvience.

Kas Kastner

From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul 16 19:47:29 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070717014834.5ABE11879C7@autox.team.net>

I'll second that!  They are nicely done.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 AM 7/16/2007, KEVIN LYNCH wrote:
>  Hello all,  just a thank you to Ted & Marty etc. as the shirt looks great.
>
>Kev Lynch

From mattspit at att.net  Mon Jul 16 23:26:24 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
Message-ID: <071720070526.16700.469C530000024BAB0000413C21602807419B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

I am in Houston, Tx.
I use Houston Unlimited, Chappell Hill TX.
They do salt bath nitriding by the customer lot. I think it was $125 for up to 125 lbs last time I went so i do several cranks and other parts at one time.
We tested depth at some time in the dark ages, i seem to think it is 0.025 to 0.030 depth with the hardness falling off as you regring the crank to deeper layers.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> I'm not familiar with the various vendors who perform nitriding.  Can  
> y'all give me a few recommended ones?
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:04 PM, "Terry and Cindy"  
> <roadandtrack at bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the  
> > hottank
> > absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
> > cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a  
> > depth of
> > around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
> > nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it  
> > done that
> > way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the  
> > workshop, and
> > it is definitely NOT nitrided
> > terry
> > _______________________________________________
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From mattspit at att.net  Mon Jul 16 23:32:52 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <071720070532.19713.469C548400015C2600004D0121602807419B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

look at htpp://houstonunlimitedinc.com
It explains it.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> I will give this a try tonite.
> 
> Can you explain salt bath nitriding ?  I've only heard of plasma/ion  
> and furnace nitriding.
> 
> Do you do this yourself, or do you have someone do this process?
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, mattspit at att.net wrote:
> 
> > Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or  
> > scratching it.
> > All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is  
> > not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
> > If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area  
> > other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
> > Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place  
> > where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re- 
> > nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other  
> > part of the crank it is probably fine.
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
> >>
> >> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and
> >> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie
> >> surface hardness)
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -S
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010
> >>> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt
> >>> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least .
> >>> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they
> >>> were at when nitrad
> >>>
> >>> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> >>> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> >>> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040  
> >>> under
> >>> stage of their life.
> >>>
> >>> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> >>> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning  
> >>> down an
> >>> already prepped crank to the next size.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> >>> the factory?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Scott
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>>
> >>> triosan at gmail.com
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Chuck Arnold
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From mattspit at att.net  Tue Jul 17 13:32:15 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] spit for sale
Message-ID: <071720071932.17218.469D193E000D2F6F0000434221602810609B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Sorry if this is poor form.

Several of you helped me figure out where to advertise my car for sale. Thanks.
I now have it posted several places such as marketplace.grassrootsmotorsports.com  item 730. The most complete information is on race-cars.com id #1184262564 Green Spitfire racing package.
I have had lots of lookers at the race-cars site but so far only requests that I sell parts or make some fiberglass body panels and maybe build an engine.
Please tell anyone you know. It is a complete racing package, everything you need except the wrenches.
I am moving from Houston to Sanford N.C. and hope to sell it before I move.

If someone could tell me what I would need to turn the car into vintage I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Matt Matthews

From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jul 18 21:43:53 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:43:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
Message-ID: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>

This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

mjb.

From budscars at msn.com  Wed Jul 18 21:48:27 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c7c9b7$ac805c40$3d83b304@Bud>

Hi Pal....I don't know....But.....There are times in life when a question 
like yours sure as heck reminds us of how beautifuly basic our lives can be
Thanks friend
Racer Bud  Spitfire # 21 sonoma, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Odd request


> This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
> maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
> answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?
>
> mjb.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jul 18 21:59:02 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <016501c7c9b9$254637c0$4d13c548@RWKastner>

I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner

From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Wed Jul 18 22:55:46 2007
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>

Quoth "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>:

> Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

As always, the answer is "yes and no".

 From Wikipedia:

The end finally came on February 8, 1999, when word came down from
Stroh headquarters that the 149 year-old brewer was selling its labels
to the Pabst Brewing Company and Miller Brewing Company. John Stroh
III, now company president and chief executive, said of the decision
to sell: "Emotionally, it was an extremely difficult one to make,
knowing that it would impact our loyal employees, and recognizing that
it would mean the end of our family's centuries old brewing tradition
that had become, in essence, an important part of our identity.

After its disolution in 2000, some Stroh brands were discontinued,
while others were purchased by other breweries. The Pabst Brewing
Company acquired the most Stroh/Heilman brands. They currently produce
Colt 45 malt liquor, Lone Star, Schaefer, Schlitz, Schmidt's, Old
Milwaukee, Old Style, Stroh's, and St. Ides. The Miller Brewing
Company got Mickey's Malt Liquor and Henry Weinhard's. Most other
Stroh/Heileman brands disappeared after 2000

Jim Hill

From jaboruch at netzero.net  Thu Jul 19 07:17:02 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:17:02 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <20070719.091702.21216.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got it for
me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do recall
seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines, long
ago.  Joe(B)

-- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.

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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 10:35:13 2007
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:35:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <FCEGIHAKDJFAMCOPHGBEOEPADMAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Living here in the Great Flat Spot known as Detroit, also the
historic home of Stroh's, I haven't seen it lately. I will
admit that I haven't looked for it. To the best of my knowledge,
it is no longer brewed.

There still is Stroh's Ice Cream. They got into that business
in the 1920's, during prohibition.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Mark J. Bradakis
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:44 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Odd request


This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 19 10:44:42 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:44:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>

I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
but bear with me if you will.  Or just chuck this message into the bit
bucket if you prefer.

Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
Michigan to South Bend, Indiana.  The new house wasn't  quite
finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
for beer.

Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of  finishing
work on the new place.  One of the bigger things he took on
was digging the hole for the septic tank.  Being a somehat
able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
the task.  I remember one hot summer saturday when we
were slaving away, trying to get it finished.  Dad says it
is time for a break.  I collapse on the ground next to the
hole, he goes in the house.  Moments later he comes out
with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
me.  That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
had.

Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
was just thinking it would be nice to  sit back, relax, crack
open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

mjb.

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Jul 19 11:15:16 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:15:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
  <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV139233AED087CFAD61232BB7FB0@phx.gbl>

Mark, thanks for sharing, what a poignant moment in time.  Please accept my
sympathies to you & yours.

Kev Lynch
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  From: Mark J. Bradakis<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>
  To: FOT at autox.team.net<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request


  I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
  but bear with me if you will.  Or just chuck this message into the bit
  bucket if you prefer.

  Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
  Michigan to South Bend, Indiana.  The new house wasn't  quite
  finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
  from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
  for beer.

  Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of  finishing
  work on the new place.  One of the bigger things he took on
  was digging the hole for the septic tank.  Being a somehat
  able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
  the task.  I remember one hot summer saturday when we
  were slaving away, trying to get it finished.  Dad says it
  is time for a break.  I collapse on the ground next to the
  hole, he goes in the house.  Moments later he comes out
  with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
  me.  That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
  had.

  Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
  was just thinking it would be nice to  sit back, relax, crack
  open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

  mjb.
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 11:31:50 2007
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <171818.38027.qm@web81014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark,
   
  Great father and son story.  Gee,  maybe I should make some time to sit down and share a cold one with my 16 year old son on my 50th birthday next week?   The beer of choice will be a Yuengling.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
  I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
but bear with me if you will. Or just chuck this message into the bit
bucket if you prefer.

Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
Michigan to South Bend, Indiana. The new house wasn't quite
finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
for beer.

Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of finishing
work on the new place. One of the bigger things he took on
was digging the hole for the septic tank. Being a somehat
able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
the task. I remember one hot summer saturday when we
were slaving away, trying to get it finished. Dad says it
is time for a break. I collapse on the ground next to the
hole, he goes in the house. Moments later he comes out
with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
me. That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
had.

Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
was just thinking it would be nice to sit back, relax, crack
open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

mjb.
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 12:47:11 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:47:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <c75.124aa9b2.33d10baf@aol.com>

Precision Plastics in England made a trunk lid for me.  40 Pounds to make it,
and 60 Pounds to ship it across the drink.

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:23:25 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <BAY115-F40CB2706ABD213366E8B828CFB0@phx.gbl>

Kas wrote:

>I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3.......

Ahhh, I get it now, a fibreglass bonnet!

Sorry, cannot help there.

Shane Ingate, often needing help in American-English translation, in 
Maryland

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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 19 18:20:30 2007
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
References: <20070719.091702.21216.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7ca63$ca30fe50$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>

Do they make fiberglas floorpans?

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
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From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <rwolff at cox.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass


> Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got it 
> for
> me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do 
> recall
> seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines, 
> long
> ago.  Joe(B)
>
> -- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
> anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
> Kas Kastner
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 19:10:03 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:10:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <d48.d18ecf4.33d1656b@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/07 5:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes:

<< Do they make fiberglas floorpans? >>

Probably not due to fires.
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 19:28:12 2007
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
Message-ID: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>

I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central Pennsylvania to 
Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company, or is 
anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 20:26:14 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
	<20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>
Message-ID: <005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I was weaned on Strohs too and drank many $2 pitchers of it in my Pittsburgh 
days.  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty.
One of my favorites disappeared last fall when Anheiser Busch bought Rolling 
Rock.  "Old 33" had a saying on the back of each bottle - "Rolling Rock, 
from the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe, we tender this premium beer for 
your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. It comes from the mountain 
springs to you".   I could almost write it from memory.  Unfortunately, it 
now comes from the waters of Newark, NJ - not quite the same thing as 
western PA spring water.  I bought my last case of the good stuff at the 
Weatherly PA hillclimb last Fall.  Not quite the memory shared by Mark, but 
I must say I have mnay good memories associated with beer!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
To: <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request


> Quoth "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>:
>
>> Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?
>
> As always, the answer is "yes and no".
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> The end finally came on February 8, 1999, when word came down from
> Stroh headquarters that the 149 year-old brewer was selling its labels
> to the Pabst Brewing Company and Miller Brewing Company. John Stroh
> III, now company president and chief executive, said of the decision
> to sell: "Emotionally, it was an extremely difficult one to make,
> knowing that it would impact our loyal employees, and recognizing that
> it would mean the end of our family's centuries old brewing tradition
> that had become, in essence, an important part of our identity.
>
> After its disolution in 2000, some Stroh brands were discontinued,
> while others were purchased by other breweries. The Pabst Brewing
> Company acquired the most Stroh/Heilman brands. They currently produce
> Colt 45 malt liquor, Lone Star, Schaefer, Schlitz, Schmidt's, Old
> Milwaukee, Old Style, Stroh's, and St. Ides. The Miller Brewing
> Company got Mickey's Malt Liquor and Henry Weinhard's. Most other
> Stroh/Heileman brands disappeared after 2000
>
> Jim Hill
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 20:40:34 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:40:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <ccf.1217900b.33d17aa2@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/2007 10:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

"Rolling  Rock, 
from the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe, we tender this premium  beer for 
your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. It comes from the  mountain 
springs to you".


==AM==
Ah yes, Rolling Rock...(at least around the Albany, NY, area) used to be  
available in those little tiny "half" cans. Good stuff!  

--Andy Mace

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Herald  engine with wings.
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From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Thu Jul 19 21:08:39 2007
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
	<20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>
	<005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070719220839.pv0mfpqy0o80kks4@secure.uwalumni.com>

Scott Janzen wrote:

>  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty.

I was in Denver some years back and drove out to Golden to tour the  
Coors plant. Stopped afterwards at a downtown bar (called the "Silver  
Bullet" as I recall) and ordered a Milwaukee-brewed beer just to see  
what the reaction would be.

There was none -- got my "foreign beer" without a peep. When I looked  
around to see what the locals were drinking, there wasn't a Coors in  
sight. The bartender later explained: Most of the folks here work at  
Coors and live in that smell all day long. None of them would touch  
that shit on their own time.

Jim Hill

From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 19 22:49:46 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
In-Reply-To: <001001c7ca63$ca30fe50$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
Message-ID: <000001c7ca89$66254f80$2b24b348@blake1>

Try Karen Weaver at karen.weaver at btconnect.com.

That should be a contact at honey bourne mouldings in the UK.  Karen
sent me a quote for fiberglass fenders about 9 months ago.  I can't
vouch for their products because I decided against the fiberglass.

Greg

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[mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
BOB KRAMER
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:21 PM
To: Joe Boruch; kaskas at cox.net
Cc: rwolff at cox.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass

Do they make fiberglas floorpans?

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
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To: <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <rwolff at cox.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass


> Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got
it 
> for
> me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do 
> recall
> seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines,

> long
> ago.  Joe(B)
>
> -- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.
Can
> anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
> Kas Kastner
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 05:52:59 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:52:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
Message-ID: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>

VTR had the autox yesterday and what a wonderful event. Unofficial results
(mine anyhow) show Richard Good taking FTD with his TR6. Rich Rock did a
FANTASTIC job putting this event on. He was working at it every single minute,
if you see him buy him a beer. Great group of cars and a perfect course
layout. As a side note Wednesday evening found a bunch of the FOT faithful at
a local go cart track. What a blast. Too bad I couldn't keep up with the
professional drivers at that event either. I think I would have had a chance
but my driving strategies were being protested by the road race contingent:).
Yellow, there ain't no stinking  yellow flags in autox?Marty Sukey
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jul 20 05:59:12 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:59:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <BAY102-W907FB221098A9C54E429D90F40@phx.gbl>

When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
Morrison, Albuquerque

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 09:58:54 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <20070719220839.pv0mfpqy0o80kks4@secure.uwalumni.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F26B540D8B6C590CDE917F2D2F40@phx.gbl>

How about Schmidts, Ballantine, and Valley Forge Beer & Ale?

When I was a kid, Ballantine was THE big sponsor of the Phillies...

Valley Forge was brewed in Norristown PA... my home town...

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com  Fri Jul 20 10:14:18 2007
From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F26B540D8B6C590CDE917F2D2F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5C33EB5352EE814AB72F655EA92399A20EF7F8DE@exc2-na-chq.bfusa.com>

Summer job after HS graduation ......Schaefer Brewery in Brooklyn NY
loading trucks
I went to personnel office at warehouse to apply & was given an
application to fill out AND a 16oz.can of Schaefer ....This was at 8am
Employee lounge had a tap to while away the slow parts of the day

It was a very different time & place !!!!

Jack Coffey
coffeyjack at bfusa.com

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greenman62 at hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:59 AM
To: spyderweb at uwalumni.com; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

How about Schmidts, Ballantine, and Valley Forge Beer & Ale?

When I was a kid, Ballantine was THE big sponsor of the Phillies...

Valley Forge was brewed in Norristown PA... my home town...

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 10:42:53 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:42:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances & don't  forget
Message-ID: <d20.105f100c.33d2400d@aol.com>

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a few of you remember their jingle
 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jul 20 11:06:20 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:06:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>

When John Deere bought a factory in Mannheim, Germany, the workers had a beer 
break.  John Deere tried to eliminate this perk, but failed.

I got a can of beer from a vending machine while there.

Different culture....not good to mess those cultural conventions.

Oh yes, my first Stroh's was in Detroit in the 70s....condolences to you, 
Mark.

Joe A


> I went to personnel office at warehouse to apply & was given an
> application to fill out AND a 16oz.can of Schaefer ....This was at 8am
> Employee lounge had a tap to while away the slow parts of the day
> 

   </HTML>

From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 11:13:45 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:13:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
In-Reply-To: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <27C8B4C4-EC3E-4A5B-9431-4011AB79957D@earthlink.net>

I've had good luck with Fisher Shipping Co out of Worcester M.A.  
866-428 5224. Ask for Ed and please tell him Greg from Albuquerque  
sent you his way. He does not run his own trucks but dispatches  
reputable auto transporters from around the country. Not always fast  
for a single car but gets the job done at reasonable prices.
Greg Hilyer
On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Lorne Fritz wrote:

> I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central  
> Pennsylvania to
> Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company,  
> or is
> anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz
>
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 20 11:13:33 2007
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>

Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark plugs
installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced 60 psi
 I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and shimmed the
spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing. From the
line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger seems to fit
and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter and replace
with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so it goes.
 Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler before it gets
to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could have missed
an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have around I can
not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its comming down to a
gross miss on bearing clearances
 I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing clearance with
confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing to do this.
I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor ( note to
self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks for the
help       rob

From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 11:39:34 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] low psi
In-Reply-To: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
References: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
Message-ID: <0DEBBFD0-F4D5-40BE-8E89-6F5E0C644948@earthlink.net>

Don't panic yet... Try cranking it a bunch and then check the oil on  
the dip stick. If it has a frothy look, the oil may be getting  
aerated by the air in the empty oil cooler. I've seen oil cooler  
installations take quite a while to purge the air bubbles out.  
Easiest way to avoid/minimize this is to pre-fill the cooler and lines.
  Greg Hilyer
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, rob wrote:

> Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the  
> spark plugs
> installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced  
> 60 psi
>  I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and  
> shimmed the
> spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing.  
> From the
> line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger  
> seems to fit
> and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter  
> and replace
> with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so  
> it goes.
>  Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler  
> before it gets
> to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could  
> have missed
> an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have  
> around I can
> not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its  
> comming down to a
> gross miss on bearing clearances
>  I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing  
> clearance with
> confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing  
> to do this.
> I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor  
> ( note to
> self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks  
> for the
> help       rob
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>
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 11:45:21 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:45:21 EDT
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <d19.e067340.33d24eb1@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/2007 1:14:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes:

On  turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark plugs
installed I  can only get 15-20 psi


I suggest you pull the distributor drive gear & spin the pump to prime  the 
system. See what you have before you try to diagnose.
Good luck
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 12:20:32 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:20:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <c47.1a36955c.33d256f0@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/07 10:14:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes:

. <>

I do not know about TR-6 engines, but someone left out the crankshaft
clean-out 1/8 Th. inch pipe plugs on one of my TR-3/4 crankshaft, once.  I didn
't
notice this, and got the same symptoms -- normal psi at the pump, and next to n
o
pressure in the oil galley.

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 12:30:17 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
Message-ID: <22709444.1184956217973.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

You probably don't want to spend 2,500 bucks.  But... if you do, Passport Transport (fedex) recently shipped my race car from WI to CA enclosed very quickly and efficiently without a scratch.  The TR3 is too narrow for many of the large open transporters.

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 20, 2007 10:13 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net, Lorne Fritz <lfritz82 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Transport
>
>I've had good luck with Fisher Shipping Co out of Worcester M.A.  
>866-428 5224. Ask for Ed and please tell him Greg from Albuquerque  
>sent you his way. He does not run his own trucks but dispatches  
>reputable auto transporters from around the country. Not always fast  
>for a single car but gets the job done at reasonable prices.
>Greg Hilyer
>On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Lorne Fritz wrote:
>
>> I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central  
>> Pennsylvania to
>> Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company,  
>> or is
>> anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>> us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 13:14:30 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <20150006.1315141184958870652.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the public parks  and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.

Cheers.
Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)

>From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

>When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
>bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
>me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
>Morrison, Albuquerque
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Fri Jul 20 13:29:55 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:29:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>

Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap by the case and always in bottles.
Now, I prefer good Rum.
Dave Hesse

---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:

=============
Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.

Cheers.
Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)

>From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

>When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
>bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
>me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>Morrison, Albuquerque
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:59:44 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:59:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>

Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it seemed
to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a some
zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots with
Iron City Beer.

There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
another beer.
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Jul 20 15:21:39 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] low psi
References: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
Message-ID: <002e01c7cb13$f84e80e0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Easiest way to have oil pressure in the engine -- install an Accusump.

Three quarts of oil under pressure. I open the Accusump and have 35-40 psi 
in the engine before I hit the key. Then the Accusump pressure builds to 
match the engine pressure (usually ~75-80 in my 1147 Spitfire).

Accusump is sold with advertising about how it maintains (some) pressure 
when the engine goes south, helping prevent blown engines -- but to me the 
best feature is that it pre-pressurizes the engine. When I put a new engine 
in, I usually pull and drain the Accusump, then refill and re-pressurize it 
so it is there to give me oil pressure in the new motor before I start it 
first time.

Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] low psi


> Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark 
> plugs
> installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced 60 psi
> I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and shimmed the
> spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing. From the
> line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger seems to 
> fit
> and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter and 
> replace
> with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so it 
> goes.
> Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler before it 
> gets
> to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could have 
> missed
> an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have around I 
> can
> not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its comming down 
> to a
> gross miss on bearing clearances
> I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing clearance 
> with
> confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing to do 
> this.
> I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor ( note to
> self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks for the
> help       rob
> _______________________________________________
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From AA00727 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 15:43:37 2007
From: AA00727 at aol.com (AA00727 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:43:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
Message-ID: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>

I apologize for using the list for a non-Triumph question but I know  there 
is more knowledge available here than anywhere else I could turn to.
 I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers recommended oil  
weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 should have 20W-40  
according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number is more  
important, the first or the second. 
 I know from past discussions there are some lubrication experts on  the list 
and would greatly appreciate your advice.
 Thank you!
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Fri Jul 20 15:57:59 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
In-Reply-To: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
References: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1ad101c7cb19$09691110$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

>  I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers 
> recommended oil  
> weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 
> should have 20W-40  
> according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number 
> is more  
> important, the first or the second. 

I'm no expert, but IMHO getting the right additive package is more important
than the right 'weight'.  If 20W40 was originally recommended, then I
believe that either 10W40 or 20W50 would do fine.

That said, the second number is more important, because that's where the oil
will operate most of the time.  The first number, in effect, only comes into
play at cold start.

Randall 
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jul 20 16:23:57 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
Message-ID: <73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>

If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try  
Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:

> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap  
> by the case and always in bottles.
> Now, I prefer good Rum.
> Dave Hesse
>
> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>
> =============
> Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to  
> the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target  
> clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the  
> public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown  
> paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.
>
> Cheers.
> Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)
>
>> From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>> Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>> To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather  
>> trimming the
>> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when  
>> grandpa served
>> me my first beer, a Burgie or  
>> Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>> Morrison, Albuquerque
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From budscars at msn.com  Fri Jul 20 16:47:13 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
	<73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7cb1f$ed5a47d0$a483b304@Bud>

In 1966 I was taking a road trip to Washington and Idaho with a buddy in my 
62 TR4..We had been in Northern Idaho camping, and went home to San 
Francisco Via Seattle...We were broke of course, ..So we bought the cheapest 
beer we could find..HAPPY HOPS..They were half quart cans with little Elves 
dancing all over(We did see the Elves before as well as after drinking the 
beer)..I don't remember if the drinking age was 19 or so, or If we used a 
fake ID
Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Barr" <jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: <d.hesse at charter.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try
> Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap
>> by the case and always in bottles.
>> Now, I prefer good Rum.
>> Dave Hesse
>>
>> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to
>> the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target
>> clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the
>> public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown
>> paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)
>>
>>> From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>>> Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>>> To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>
>>> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather
>>> trimming the
>>> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when
>>> grandpa served
>>> me my first beer, a Burgie or
>>> Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>>> Morrison, Albuquerque
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
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From niteseeker at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 17:43:20 2007
From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:43:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
	<73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
Message-ID: <69bfcb6c7807cb2c190bebef5ed4a2ef@aol.com>

If you are from Wisconsin must not forger all of the beers put out by 
Heilemann's.  The big mouth Schmitts.  Think Special Export was a good 
for a while. They still make a few beers there under City Brewery name. 
  The statue of King Heilemann is still in front of the brewery along 
with the world's largest six packs.
On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Jerry Barr wrote:

> If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try
> Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap
>> by the case and always in bottles.
>> Now, I prefer good Rum.
>> Dave Hesse
>>
>> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>  f

From jibjib at att.net  Fri Jul 20 17:56:19 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>
References: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>
Message-ID: <021901c7cb29$921bedb0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

>When John Deere bought a factory in Mannheim, Germany, the workers had 
> a beer break.  John Deere tried to eliminate this perk, but failed.

As did the workers at Mausser (gun mfg.) in Germany.  It's odd to see the
workers, including machinists, eating lunch while quaffing down beer.

Jack

From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Fri Jul 20 18:08:41 2007
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:08:41 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
In-Reply-To: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
References: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALQta4iIIYFIsl7FtScKZNTCgAAAEAAAAB7csTmtn1VEmmtwYUfM+X0BAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Gary,
I have an R6, Virago and FJR1300 all running Castrol Active 4T and have been
running this oil exclusively for more than 8 years. This is 15W-50 grade.
The Active 4T is an Australian brand, so =you may have to ask your Castrol
rep for an equivalent if you cant find it directly.

Cheers
Peter
TR4



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Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 7:44 AM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content

I apologize for using the list for a non-Triumph question but I know  there 
is more knowledge available here than anywhere else I could turn to.
 I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers recommended oil  
weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 should have
20W-40  
according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number is more  
important, the first or the second. 
 I know from past discussions there are some lubrication experts on  the
list 
and would greatly appreciate your advice.
 Thank you!
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 07:18:11 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:18:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 Video-available from John Seaman, Videographer
Message-ID: <cc8.155a9ec3.33d36193@cs.com>

FoT:  

I was unaware that John Seaman was going to produce a DVD of MOTRAH. He has 
done many in the past and they are well done. This one will be no exception. He 
is a professional.

The DVD includes interviews with Kas Kastner, Tony Drews, and John Sprinzel, 
and more. It also includes the MOTRAH Autocross and Car Show.

It is 60 minutes long. It will be a keeper.

Order information is below and can be ordered direct from John.

Joe A


> Hi Joe,
> 
> I have completed a DVD of the 2007 SVRA Vintage GT Challenge Races, 
> featuring the MOTRAH 007 and S2000.  It is 1 hour, and covers the 
> Autocross, Car Show, and the Races.  
> 
> If the  Triumph Club Membership would be interested in purchasing additional 
> copies, the cost is $15.00 each, including postage.
> 
> John Seaman, Videographer
> 920 467 2076
   jcman at execpc.com




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 08:52:07 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:52:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
Message-ID: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>

Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind invitation to BeaveRun next
year.  I would like to see responses from all that are interested in running
this event.  This does affect planning for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup
Event.

Additionally, for those who might be interested in staying for the PVGP, the
following weekend, your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as
well.

I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to advance his planning for
this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me know.

Joe Alexander

Joe,

 We have just finished the PVGPA events for this year and we are in the
process of planning next yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th anniversary of
the
Historic races (BeaveRun) and we are planning to make it the best yet.

 I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will be a big part of this. I can
offer you a Triumph only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to all of
the normal practices and races you would be running in whichever group is most
appropriate for each car and driver. Even though PVGPA Beaver follows VRG
rules
and regulations this is a PVGPA event and there are a few differences. The
one that will interest you is that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
are
invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
 We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars in your own section of the
paddock and I think we can work a deal out for weekend passes for non racing
cars that want to come and cheer on the racers. I think we can offer a
discount
on the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in to the race park in a
Triumph.
 Please get back to me as soon as you can as I would like to start plotting
this now and get it into our schedule and news letters soon.
 Ralph Steinberg
 PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 09:17:00 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:17:00 EDT
Subject: [Fot] RATCO TR Frames at VTR (Valley Forge Convention)
Message-ID: <c54.171c2a3e.33d37d6c@cs.com>

Tony (FOT) Vigliotti had his Triumph Replacement Frames at the VTR Convention.

Very Impressive!!! These are extremely good looking frames.

Tony now has a Hybrid version that is the TR3/4 style frame with the advanced 
features of the TR4A/TR6 front suspension.

For solid axle racers seeking to build or replace their frame....or use with 
an AMBRO Project, this seems ideal.  

A forthcoming article will be in the VTR magazine by FoT Gary Horstkorta. 
BTW, membership in the VTR seems worthwhile for the FOT.Several FOT are heavily 
involved with the VTR or just members.

Regards,

Joe A   </HTML>

From stlnyc at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 11:10:36 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:10:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 body parts
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV163832FF5E4C994A214C79DAF50@phx.gbl>

I have a customer looking for a good used TR-3A front apron & a left front
inner fender.  If anyone has or knows of any, please contact me off-list.
Thanks in advance.

Fred Hodgson

From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Sat Jul 21 16:11:45 2007
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:11:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas
Message-ID: <cdd.16ec13bb.33d3dea1@aol.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with this, but I need Fred Thomas's e  mail address
 
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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 17:07:03 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:07:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED
Message-ID: <006f01c7cbeb$dc36a3f0$4e83b304@Bud>

Hi Gang...Carl stirtz in Oakland, ca. is building a vintage racing TR4, and
needs a right rear fender..If you can help, please call him at(home) 510 482
6349 or (work)510 536 2772
Carl is a serious buyer.

Thanks
Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 in Sonoma, ca

From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jul 21 18:01:02 2007
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED
References: <006f01c7cbeb$dc36a3f0$4e83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <001001c7cbf3$65d61990$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>

There is one on eBay now.

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
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To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "CARL THE GRINDER STIRTZ" <stirtzmachine at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED


> Hi Gang...Carl stirtz in Oakland, ca. is building a vintage racing TR4, 
> and
> needs a right rear fender..If you can help, please call him at(home) 510 
> 482
> 6349 or (work)510 536 2772
> Carl is a serious buyer.
>
> Thanks
> Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 in Sonoma, ca
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 21:12:03 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next day.
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  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>

Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it seemed
to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a some
zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots with
Iron City Beer.

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul 16 08:14:47 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Front suspension
Message-ID: <200707161415.l6GEEv0X189080@ns3.geneseo.net>

>I am forwarding a message that appeared on a TR6 list. I twas 
>written by Mike Denman and I'm forwarding it with his permission. It 
>has a couple of good ideas in it that can be used for other things 
>on most Triumphs.
>
>Hi group,
>     I have a couple of items to contribute to the list (at last). The front
>suspension of my wife's TR3 was completely worn out with every single
>component showing signs of severe wear and poor maintenance by the previous
>owners.
>     The first problem was the front left lower suspension fulcrum. 
> Both of the
>bushings were rusted onto the fulcrum and the threaded portion of one end of
>the fulcrum was broken off. One of the previously owners had managed to drill
>and tap the broken end of the fulcrum to accept a smaller bolt with a large
>washer. Clever and it must have been hard to do but not the safest idea in the
>world. The hole was also drilled quite a bit off center. So, the question I
>posed to the list a couple of weeks ago was "how hard is it to replace the
>lower fulcrum (which is welded into place) with the body on the car?". I
>didn't get an answer from the list but I can now say that it can be done but
>it certainly isn't a picnic. I spend an entire morning making some temporary
>brackets that were bolted to the frame that would allow me to position the new
>fulcrum in exactly the same place as the old one. Of course, if the old
>fulcrum has been pushed out of its original position by an accident etc. then
>the new fulcrum will also be in the "wrong position" by the same amount using
>this approach. However, the brackets proved to be invaluable. The original
>factory holes through which the fulcrum passes are oversize (probably to allow
>adjustment by the factory welders to compensate for dimensional tolerances in
>the frame). So the original holes do not aid in the final positioning of the
>fulcrum. Both brackets (one on each end of the fulcrum) must be cut away to
>get the fulcrum into place. The brackets are fairly simple so I made new ones
>instead of trying to save the old ones by grinding away all the welds etc. The
>whole process took me almost three days but the new fulcrum is now in place
>and all the suspension components on that side seem to line up correctly. The
>final verdict will come, of course, when I have the front end aligned.
>     The second "solution" involves the age old problem of rusted on bushings.
>I spent 4 hours getting one rusted-on bushing off the bad lower fulcrum. This
>was, of course, before I decided to replace the entire fulcrum. Over the years
>I have tried all types of "solutions" for this problem of rusted-on bushings
>and none of them have worked very well. Today I thought of a new solution.
>First I tried out the new solution on the bad fulcrum that I had removed from
>the car to see if it would work. I certainly didn't want to make things worse
>and the new solution sounds fairly drastic at first. Using my new method I had
>the rusted-on bushing off in less that five minutes and I didn't even get
>dirty! So what is the magic solution you ask? Well, I would still spray the
>rusty bushing with WD-40 or PB blaster or your favorite penetrating oil
>solution and leave it over night. Then take an appropriately sized nut (in my
>case a 3/4" inch nut drilled out to 19/32") and drill it out to fit over the
>bushing. Tack weld the nut to the bushing in 4 places. Don't go crazy with the
>welder. It doesn't require a lot of weld and you don't want the weld to
>penetrate deep enough to hit the fulcrum shaft. You also need to keep the
>flats of the nut clear of weld. Once the nut is welded to the bushing take an
>impact wrench and socket and remove the bushing. I was able to get my bushing
>off easily with the lowest setting on the impact wrench. It doesn't take much
>to break the bushing loose. I think the "big secret" is the impact wrench. The
>impact wrench is what makes the difference. I hit upon the idea after reading
>an article in the Triumph archives about using a pipe wrench and a lot of heat
>to remove the rusted on bushing. The pipe wrench idea got me thinking about
>how to apply rotational force to the bushing. Then I thought about how hard it
>is to get a generator pulley nut or alternator pulley nut off with a wrench
>and how easy the nuts come off with an impact wrench. This solution really
>works. Of course, you need enough room to get to the rusted on bushing with an
>impact wrench but it is worth a little extra effort to move things out of the
>way to allow the use of an impact wrench. Comments?
>Mike Denman
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From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com  Sat Jul 21 13:35:53 2007
From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
In-Reply-To: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070721152655.017abf80@cloverleaf-auto.com>

At 10:52 AM 7/21/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind
>invitation to BeaveRun next year.  I would like
>to see responses from all that are interested in
>running this event.  This does affect planning
>for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup Event.
>
>Additionally, for those who might be interested
>in staying for the PVGP, the following weekend,
>your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as well.
>
>I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to
>advance his planning for this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me
know.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
>Joe,
>We have just finished the PVGPA events for this
>year and we are in the process of planning next
>yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th
>anniversary of the Historic races (BeaveRun) and
>we are planning to make it the best yet.
>I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will
>be a big part of this. I can offer you a Triumph
>only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to
>all of the normal practices and races you would
>be running in whichever group is most
>appropriate for each car and driver. Even though
>PVGPA Beaver follows VRG rules and regulations
>this is a PVGPA event and there are a few
>differences. The one that will interest you is
>that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
>are invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
>We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars
>in your own section of the paddock and I think
>we can work a deal out for weekend passes for
>non racing cars that want to come and cheer on
>the racers. I think we can offer a discount on
>the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in
>to the race park in a Triumph.
>Please get back to me as soon as you can as I
>would like to start plotting this now and get it
>into our schedule and news letters soon.
>Ralph Steinberg
>PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

  Joe and all Triumph racers,
  I need to make a correction. The stand alone
race is on Sunday, when all of the big feature
races are. The top 3 finishers will go to the
winners circle for pictures and some prizes. If
you participate in all 3 days of the festival
(Friday is a test and tune day) you can rack up a
ton of track time. Saturday and Sunday will offer
a Triumph powered car approx 95 minutes of track
time. If you toss in Friday you can add another 1+ hour.
  We will have a driver & crew reception at the
track on Friday and a blow out Party on Saturday.
Everything is to help raise money for the
Autistic Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny
School. Your checks are made directly to the PVGPA, a tax deductible charity.
  Thanks Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 13:14:53 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7cc94$98a7d330$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I expect to bring my GT6 to Beaverun next year.  Beautiful track and great 
facilities with lots of space for gear and camping, nice showers, etc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun July 008


> Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind invitation to BeaveRun 
> next
> year.  I would like to see responses from all that are interested in 
> running
> this event.  This does affect planning for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup
> Event.
>
> Additionally, for those who might be interested in staying for the PVGP, 
> the
> following weekend, your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, 
> as
> well.
>
> I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to advance his planning for
> this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me know.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Joe,
>
> We have just finished the PVGPA events for this year and we are in the
> process of planning next yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th anniversary 
> of
> the
> Historic races (BeaveRun) and we are planning to make it the best yet.
>
> I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will be a big part of this. I 
> can
> offer you a Triumph only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to all 
> of
> the normal practices and races you would be running in whichever group is 
> most
> appropriate for each car and driver. Even though PVGPA Beaver follows VRG
> rules
> and regulations this is a PVGPA event and there are a few differences. The
> one that will interest you is that all Triumphs and Triumph powered 
> specials
> are
> invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
> We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars in your own section of the
> paddock and I think we can work a deal out for weekend passes for non 
> racing
> cars that want to come and cheer on the racers. I think we can offer a
> discount
> on the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in to the race park in a
> Triumph.
> Please get back to me as soon as you can as I would like to start plotting
> this now and get it into our schedule and news letters soon.
> Ralph Steinberg
> PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Jul 22 15:56:23 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DE7CA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Well, good new and bad news.  The good news? I still have one good Spitfire Summers Bros. axle.  The bad news is that I have one broken one.  

More good news is that #49Blue stayed shiny-side up rather than go ass over tea kettle as it seemed momentarily inclined to do.  All I've lost (that I know so far) is a brake drum, backing plate, etc.  I feel certain I'll be able to find the wheel and tire out in the weeds after the last session of the afternoon.  And I'd imagine my brake drum is still attached to the wheel.

The point of all this rambling is that those of you who have those Summers axles ought to take a looooooong hard look at them once in a while.  I've got maybe a dozen full weekends on them and perhaps 6000 partial weekends.  On initial inspection, it appears that there are beach marks indicating that this axle has been cracking for a while and chose today to fail entirely, breaking off just inside of the outer bearing race.  Hard to say how long, but not long enough for the cracked bit so have any rust or discoloration.  

Chuck Gee, would you mind giving me a shout some time this next week about your Spit axles?

Scott B.

From budscars at msn.com  Sun Jul 22 17:09:13 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:09:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DE7CA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7ccb5$541e7ea0$dc8cb304@Bud>

Hi Scott...I suggest talking  to Joe Siam about the axle assemblies that he 
makes
Racer Bud spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage


> Well, good new and bad news.  The good news? I still have one good 
> Spitfire Summers Bros. axle.  The bad news is that I have one broken one.
>
> More good news is that #49Blue stayed shiny-side up rather than go ass 
> over tea kettle as it seemed momentarily inclined to do.  All I've lost 
> (that I know so far) is a brake drum, backing plate, etc.  I feel certain 
> I'll be able to find the wheel and tire out in the weeds after the last 
> session of the afternoon.  And I'd imagine my brake drum is still attached 
> to the wheel.
>
> The point of all this rambling is that those of you who have those Summers 
> axles ought to take a looooooong hard look at them once in a while.  I've 
> got maybe a dozen full weekends on them and perhaps 6000 partial weekends. 
> On initial inspection, it appears that there are beach marks indicating 
> that this axle has been cracking for a while and chose today to fail 
> entirely, breaking off just inside of the outer bearing race.  Hard to say 
> how long, but not long enough for the cracked bit so have any rust or 
> discoloration.
>
> Chuck Gee, would you mind giving me a shout some time this next week about 
> your Spit axles?
>
> Scott B.
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sun Jul 22 20:07:55 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:07:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paging Dean Tetterton
Message-ID: <d50.da5e879.33d5677b@aol.com>

Sorry to bomb the list, but Dean, could you contact me via e-mail?  
Apparently my address book didn't update.
 
Thanks!  

--Andy   Mace

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 23 08:15:30 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:15:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 Video Available      NFI
Message-ID: <c9a.14d38407.33d61202@cs.com>

FoT and Triumph Lists

A sixty minute video (DVD) was professionally done of the SVRA Event in May 
at Road America.

It includes interviews with Kas Kastner and John Sprinzel in addition to the 
MOTRAH-007 racing and autocrossing.

If you have knowledge and interest of this event I recommend it. 

I am very familiar with John Seaman's work.

$15 is the cost per DVD

This is available through:

John Seaman
456 Bluebird Ln.
Sheboygan Falls, WI 53085
  jcman at execpc.com
John Seaman, Videographer
920 467 2076
    
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From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jul 23 11:18:34 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
like to use that for the mailing list.

Mark,
Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
guys that can help you with the TR6.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365


________________________________

From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Kramer, Robert
Subject: RE: Progress report



Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
Mark



MARK A. VAN LAKE

FEDEX CORP. SAFETY

SO. REGION

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From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 11:37:30 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707231037q3e6d85d0j83e783e780259e00@mail.gmail.com>

Be glad to second that nomination!  Having the PI 6 in the engine bay and
the 4 on the body makes the TR5 fairly a unique car in USA vintage.  Hope to
give it its maiden race the first weekend of August.  A test and tune day
this Thursday will validate if all is now well and ready.

On 7/23/07, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
> taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
> CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
> that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
> do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
> CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
> the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
> Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
> in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
> against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
> like to use that for the mailing list.
>
> Mark,
> Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
> Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
> all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
> bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
> to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
> guys that can help you with the TR6.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Co.
> 16415 North IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
> Fx 512-272-9365
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
> To: Kramer, Robert
> Subject: RE: Progress report
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
> Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
> finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
> Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
> a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
> that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
> Mark
>
>
>
> MARK A. VAN LAKE
>
> FEDEX CORP. SAFETY
>
> SO. REGION
>
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>
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 11:37:40 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (CHARLES DELAUER)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-F12E9F3BBA3A1203B4E77B1C6F70@phx.gbl>

Hi Bob....I think it was you that told me about the tr4 fender on Ebay..Carl 
was able to get it..and it is out here in ca...  Thanks very much...(if it 
wasn't you..then thanks to whoever it was)
Racer Bud ..spitfire # 21


>From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
>To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
>CC: vanlake at bellsouth.net
>Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0500
>
>I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
>taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
>CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
>that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
>do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
>CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
>the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
>Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
>in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
>against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
>like to use that for the mailing list.
>
>Mark,
>Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
>Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
>all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
>bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
>to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
>guys that can help you with the TR6.
>
>Bob Kramer
>Sales Manager
>RDO Equipment Co.
>16415 North IH 35
>Pflugerville, TX 78660
>512-272-4141
>Fx 512-272-9365
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
>To: Kramer, Robert
>Subject: RE: Progress report
>
>
>
>Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
>Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
>finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
>Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
>a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
>that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
>Mark
>
>
>
>MARK A. VAN LAKE
>
>FEDEX CORP. SAFETY
>
>SO. REGION
>
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>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 23 12:31:16 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070721152655.017abf80@cloverleaf-auto.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609669B@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I can testify first hand that not only is this a neat track, but it's a well
run, very fun event. I don't know if I'll make it back next year, but it's
tempting. Nicest people on the planet too. I don't know how or why that's so,
but I've never been better treated.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ralph Steinberg
Sent: Sat 7/21/2007 12:35 PM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com
Cc: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008

At 10:52 AM 7/21/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind
>invitation to BeaveRun next year.  I would like
>to see responses from all that are interested in
>running this event.  This does affect planning
>for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup Event.
>
>Additionally, for those who might be interested
>in staying for the PVGP, the following weekend,
>your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as well.
>
>I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to
>advance his planning for this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me
know.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
>Joe,
>We have just finished the PVGPA events for this
>year and we are in the process of planning next
>yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th
>anniversary of the Historic races (BeaveRun) and
>we are planning to make it the best yet.
>I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will
>be a big part of this. I can offer you a Triumph
>only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to
>all of the normal practices and races you would
>be running in whichever group is most
>appropriate for each car and driver. Even though
>PVGPA Beaver follows VRG rules and regulations
>this is a PVGPA event and there are a few
>differences. The one that will interest you is
>that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
>are invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
>We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars
>in your own section of the paddock and I think
>we can work a deal out for weekend passes for
>non racing cars that want to come and cheer on
>the racers. I think we can offer a discount on
>the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in
>to the race park in a Triumph.
>Please get back to me as soon as you can as I
>would like to start plotting this now and get it
>into our schedule and news letters soon.
>Ralph Steinberg
>PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

  Joe and all Triumph racers,
  I need to make a correction. The stand alone
race is on Sunday, when all of the big feature
races are. The top 3 finishers will go to the
winners circle for pictures and some prizes. If
you participate in all 3 days of the festival
(Friday is a test and tune day) you can rack up a
ton of track time. Saturday and Sunday will offer
a Triumph powered car approx 95 minutes of track
time. If you toss in Friday you can add another 1+ hour.
  We will have a driver & crew reception at the
track on Friday and a blow out Party on Saturday.
Everything is to help raise money for the
Autistic Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny
School. Your checks are made directly to the PVGPA, a tax deductible charity.
  Thanks Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun
billb at bnj.com
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 23 12:52:34 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:52:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TVT article on the Friends of Triumph by FoTs Cook and Hussman
Message-ID: <ca2.1499056d.33d652f2@cs.com>

VTR's mag "The Vintage Triumph"  is in the mail to it's members.

Nice coverage by Mike Cook and Ernie Hussman on the MOTRAH-007.

Great pictures of most of the usual suspects in action.

A very nice summary of finishing positions.

If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it.

I sometimes wonder if the FoT shouldnt have a more direct affiliation with 
the Vintage Triumph Register. The Experimental Aircraft Association does a 
similar routine with subsets of aviation interests.....Homebuilt, Antique, 
Aerobatic. They are separate entities under the EAA Umbrella.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>

From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jul 23 15:41:25 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 floorboard
Message-ID: <20070723214214.2CE1D187A41@autox.team.net>

I am in need of a driver's side floor board (left) for a TR6 I am turning
into a race car. Used but not rusty ( already have a rusty one) is OK. I
know I can order a new one from Moss etc but I'm trying to save a few bucks.
Thanks 
Walt Hollowell
Albuquerque, NM

From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 15:51:47 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:51:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 floorboard
Message-ID: <c83.16ba60cf.33d67cf3@aol.com>

If it's for a racer why not just put a thin piece of aluminum over it?



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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Jul 23 18:21:08 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:21:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
Message-ID: <29037F80-8ADF-4CAC-A4BF-39DDE5034B8A@charter.net>

While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on track  
but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk Farms this  
weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu walking along  
the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to see it and kinda  
threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I think I need to stop  
taking this pain medicine! The next lap I was prepared for the Emu  
and when i got to corner 6 the corner station had a debris flag up so  
I thought well someone got him or her, but no it was just sauntering  
down the middle of the track. When I got to it I slowed down to it's  
speed and race the engine a few times but it just looked back at me  
and kept on walking. Very strange encounter.
Jerry Barr
Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.

From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Jul 23 18:56:33 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cd89$70766750$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
References: <29037F80-8ADF-4CAC-A4BF-39DDE5034B8A@charter.net>
	<002e01c7cd89$70766750$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
Message-ID: <AB148C2B-484C-4E05-B072-CF65F29EBABE@charter.net>

The MG looks like an Emu but this one did have feathers
On Jul 23, 2007, at 7:27 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote:

> Are you sure it wasn't an MG?
>
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Barr"  
> <jerrybarr at charter.net>
> To: "Friends Triumph of" <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:21 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
>
>
>> While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on  
>> track  but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk  
>> Farms this  weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu  
>> walking along  the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to  
>> see it and kinda  threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I  
>> think I need to stop  taking this pain medicine! The next lap I  
>> was prepared for the Emu  and when i got to corner 6 the corner  
>> station had a debris flag up so  I thought well someone got him or  
>> her, but no it was just sauntering  down the middle of the track.  
>> When I got to it I slowed down to it's  speed and race the engine  
>> a few times but it just looked back at me  and kept on walking.  
>> Very strange encounter.
>> Jerry Barr
>> Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.
>> _______________________________________________
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 23 18:56:13 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:56:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
Message-ID: <25204535.1185238573534.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That's cool!  I was at blackhawk, coming around the last turn and, just as I hit the straight, a very slow turtle was starting to cross the track.  Each lap, the turtle was further and further across.  Finally, when I came around expecting to see the turtle safely across the track, there was 1/2 a turtle (the bottom half) in the middle of the road :(

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Barr <jerrybarr at charter.net>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2007 5:21 PM
>To: Friends Triumph of <FOT at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
>
>While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on track  
>but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk Farms this  
>weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu walking along  
>the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to see it and kinda  
>threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I think I need to stop  
>taking this pain medicine! The next lap I was prepared for the Emu  
>and when i got to corner 6 the corner station had a debris flag up so  
>I thought well someone got him or her, but no it was just sauntering  
>down the middle of the track. When I got to it I slowed down to it's  
>speed and race the engine a few times but it just looked back at me  
>and kept on walking. Very strange encounter.
>Jerry Barr
>Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 19:56:19 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] new member
Message-ID: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>

Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the email
list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building Triumphs..Machining
Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl does my
machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has nearly
completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He is
one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph Knowledge,
and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
..I Nominate Carl Stirtz  stirtzmachine at aol.com  for membership in the
'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
Thanks Gang..
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.

From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 20:03:13 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:03:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] new member
References: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV577488FF72EDBBF6CBA7ADAF00@phx.gbl>

You just did!  Second.

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: RACER BUD<mailto:budscars at msn.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:56 PM
  Subject: [Fot] new member


  Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the
email
  list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building
Triumphs..Machining
  Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl does
my
  machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has nearly
  completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He
is
  one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph
Knowledge,
  and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
  ..I Nominate Carl Stirtz
stirtzmachine at aol.com<mailto:stirtzmachine at aol.com>  for membership in the
  'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
  Thanks Gang..
  Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 20:48:32 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:48:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] new member
References: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <002e01c7cd9d$1f883c10$4acd0518@GHOffice>

I concur with Bud on the Carl Stirz nomination.  Carl's been around since 
the wheel was discovered and is a fountain of automotive knowledge.  Besides 
the Triumph passion, Carl also owns a beautiful BMC Formula Junior which he 
regularly enters in vintage events in N.CA.  Anyone attending this year's 
Monterey Historics will see his red FJr. on the track once again.  Welcome 
Carl.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: [Fot] new member


> Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the 
> email
> list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building 
> Triumphs..Machining
> Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl 
> does my
> machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has 
> nearly
> completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He 
> is
> one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph 
> Knowledge,
> and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
> ..I Nominate Carl Stirtz  stirtzmachine at aol.com  for membership in the
> 'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
> Thanks Gang..
> Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot 

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 22:23:56 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:23:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In search of history/past drivers for my GT6
Message-ID: <004801c7cdaa$73358450$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I have the SCCA logbooks for my GT6.  Earliest recorded entry is P.I.R. on
6/10/72 with Tom Hall as the driver, then Laguna Seca 6/23, SIR National (?)
no date, Oregon GP 9/16/72, ARRC 11/19/72, then moving to the east coast and
VIR 3/3/73 with Bill Davis as driver, again at VIR, Road Atlanta, S.P.
National, etc.  When Bill owned it the car was black and ran DP. Bill sold it
to Jim Clipper in 1978.  I have been in touch with Bill but would like to find
Tom Hall and Jim Clipper.  Anyone knowing of these guys plz let me know.  I
also have an SCCA logbook for a GP Spitfire Jim ran at Summit Point on 5/20/78
and rolled per the logbook entry.  Don't know if the car still exists.  Thx!

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jul 24 08:40:12 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts
Message-ID: <46A60F4C.9030901@bright.net>

Greetings FOT list. We still have some FOT T.shirts that were ordered 
and not paid. These are the ones we still have left.  Please call, email 
or fax a credit card or send us a check. Shirts are $14.50 plus $1.50 
for XXL plus postage.  Thanks for your support. Ted

                                qty        size
Randall Young -         2         XL
Ed Ceilly -                 3         XL
Jim Hill -                    1 L and 1 XL
Jerry Barr -                2         XXL
Bill Burropughs -        2          L
Tim Murphy -            2           L
Bill Babcock -            4          XL
Bob Davis -                2          XL
Steve Benford -          3           L







-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 09:03:10 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-W907FB221098A9C54E429D90F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241101190.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:

> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
> me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
> Morrison, Albuquerque

Hi - while we're sharing stories... my Dad and I never had a "beer
moment", but he was always comlaining that I drank all his beer. That's
because I did. That was a long time and a bunch of AA meetings ago.

:-)

rml
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 09:32:57 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C99C1F0B5C94B8-1B8-10A0C@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com>

It was a good event because I had plenty of help from a great bunch of FOT people!?

 THANKS?to Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Bob Lang, Marty Sukey, Richard Good, Scott Janzen, Irv Korey, Matt Bakes, am I forgetting anyone?? Oh yeah, John Lye, who wasn't there, but gave me plenty of good advice over the phone before the event!?Thanks again to all of you.

Richard Good was the official FTD.? The crowd loved watching Good and Sukey do battle for the title.

Rich Rock


-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 7:52 am
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox



VTR had the autox yesterday and what a wonderful event. Unofficial results
(mine anyhow) show Richard Good taking FTD with his TR6. Rich Rock did a
FANTASTIC job putting this event on. He was working at it every single minute,
if you see him buy him a beer. Great group of cars and a perfect course
layout. As a side note Wednesday evening found a bunch of the FOT faithful at
a local go cart track. What a blast. Too bad I couldn't keep up with the
professional drivers at that event either. I think I would have had a chance
but my driving strategies were being protested by the road race contingent:).
Yellow, there ain't no stinking  yellow flags in autox?Marty Sukey
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 09:53:07 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <8C99C1F0B5C94B8-1B8-10A0C@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241149470.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 rikrock at aol.com wrote:

> It was a good event because I had plenty of help from a great bunch of
> FOT people!?

>  THANKS?to Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Bob Lang, Marty Sukey, Richard
> Good, Scott Janzen, Irv Korey, Matt Bakes, am I forgetting anyone?? Oh
> yeah, John Lye, who wasn't there, but gave me plenty of good advice
> over the phone before the event!?Thanks again to all of you.

Don't forget Linda Cragin for the results!!!
 
> Richard Good was the official FTD.? The crowd loved watching Good and
> Sukey do battle for the title.

Yep.
 
> Rich Rock

regards,
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 11:39:53 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241149470.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8C99C30C75069EA-F84-93CE@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com>

Oh man, that's why I hate naming names.? I always forget?AT LEAST?one!

I also forgot to?mention Beth Bakes.?? Big THANKS to both of them.!

Rich Rock
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 14:50:31 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hey,

I had fun at both the kart track and the autox. I wish I had better tires,
the course was interesting. I'm glad the rain never materialized, because
the sweeper onto the slalom was a lot faster than I thought it would be!
On one run, I ran out of room at "Masta".

I'm getting psyched for 2008.

rml
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Tue Jul 24 15:24:29 2007
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>

A fan has posted over 1500 photos of VTR 2007 on his site.  There are many 
of the autocross. http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/

http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2007VTRb/

http://vgalleries.com/members/MarcRoland/Vintage+Triumph+Registry+Convention+2007.vrg

http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/320744/Board/5/page/1/fpart/all/gonew/1#UNREAD

The are lots showing the TRS HP929.

Don Elliott
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From: "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu>
To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autox


> Hey,
>
> I had fun at both the kart track and the autox. I wish I had better tires,
> the course was interesting. I'm glad the rain never materialized, because
> the sweeper onto the slalom was a lot faster than I thought it would be!
> On one run, I ran out of room at "Masta".
>
> I'm getting psyched for 2008.
>
> rml
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 17:56:48 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>
	<005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great dark 
lager named Augustiner.
Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
Bruce - still in the Burgh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next 
> day.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
>  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
>  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
> In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> <<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>
>
> Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it 
> seemed
> to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a 
> some
> zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots 
> with
> Iron City Beer.
>
> There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
> another beer.************************************** Get a sneak peek of 
> the
> all-new
> AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> stutzmans at comcast.net
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot 

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 18:59:39 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde 
Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale made 
from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on 
the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold snowy 
winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to 
school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....

Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great 
> dark
> lager named Augustiner.
> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
> Bruce - still in the Burgh

From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jul 24 19:01:56 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <004f01c7ce57$657bb070$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Redmond" <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> AH!  Gold ole I C Light!  I miss it here in New Jersey.
>
> Todd Redmond - with family still in the Burgh!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great 
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
>> To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>
>>
>>> Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next
>>> day.
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
>>>  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
>>>  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
>>>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> <<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>
>>>
>>> Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it
>>> seemed
>>> to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a
>>> some
>>> zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their 
>>> shots
>>> with
>>> Iron City Beer.
>>>
>>> There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
>>> another beer.************************************** Get a sneak peek of
>>> the
>>> all-new
>>> AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> stutzmans at comcast.net
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> alfetta95 at optonline.net
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>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From budscars at msn.com  Tue Jul 24 19:11:19 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>

Is Falstaff Still around?..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Scott Janzen" 
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde
> Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale 
> made
> from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on
> the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold 
> snowy
> winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to
> school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....
>
> Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>;
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From portermd at zianet.com  Tue Jul 24 19:24:37 2007
From: portermd at zianet.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <46A6A655.3070002@zianet.com>

RACER BUD wrote:
> Is Falstaff Still around?..
>   
Falstaff was officially dropped by Pabst in June, 2005.

Another beer that bit the dust a while back was Primo. Terrible stuff.  
I spit out the first taste I had of it, and the Hawaiian guy next to me 
said, "why do that? Primo dakine good beer."  I said, "this is just 
plain awful."  He kind of shrugged and said, "yeah, I guess so, but it's 
much better since Schlitz took it over." :)

Schlitz brewed it in Hawaii until 1979, then moved production to the 
mainland and sold it that way until 1997, when the brand was discontinued.

-- 
Michael D. Porter
Roswell, NM

Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:17:08 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:17:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad on 
the side of the can in a bikini - hey, I ttry to be politically correct but 
there is no more accurate way to describe this politically incorrect label!
Ok- one more Pittsburgh beer story - just up the street from the IC brewery, 
in Lawrenceville, there was a micro brewery that opened in a big old church 
building.  The stainless steel brew tanks were on the alter.  Best church I 
was ever in - I could worship there on a regular basis!  This was half dozen 
years ago, don't know if it is still there - they would also let you bring 
in jugs to fill up from the tap and take home - micro brew take out!.  Good 
stuff.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Scott Janzen" 
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde
> Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale 
> made
> from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on
> the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold 
> snowy
> winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to
> school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....
>
> Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>;
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:40:37 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:40:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
Message-ID: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress 
camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
Thanks again for the help,
Jim Gray
Newbie to the RMVR

From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue Jul 24 22:06:19 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Free TR3 parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1185300000.30612.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1185300000.30612.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901c7ce71$27bb4880$1ff2544c@Guinan>

This note was passed along on the NASS (Spitfire & GT6) mail list.  Hope
someone is in the British Columbia area and can use something.

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joeg at neb.rr.com

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jul 24 23:27:04 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:27:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
References: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <20070725052821.A392C1879F5@autox.team.net>

You want at least that much camber in the front - I had about 2 1/2 
degrees.  You want the pressures to be in the 40 to 42 range hot.  I 
ran 36 psi front and 34 psi rear with a solid axle TR-4.

- Tony Drews

At 10:40 PM 7/24/2007, James Gray wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
>an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>Thanks again for the help,
>Jim Gray
>Newbie to the RMVR

From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jul 25 05:12:12 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:12:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <46A7300C.9050902@141.com>

Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding 
in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You 
can often find them on eBay if you want one.

There's one here, bottom left:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitemZ200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Susan     :)


Scott Janzen wrote:
> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad on 
> the side of the can in a bikini...
-- 
*****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****

From klynch_6 at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 07:41:41 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:41:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings?
Kev Lynch
asst. CDI
RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jul 25 08:56:05 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:56:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
(cold)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings?
Kev Lynch
asst. CDI
RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

  klynch_6 at msn.com<mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com>
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From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net  Wed Jul 25 13:26:21 2007
From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:26:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
	<001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>
Message-ID: <002301c7cef1$b080f4f0$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Fan, yes. 
Also a FOT
Enjoy the photos (I hope my monthly bandwidth limit doesn't kick in)!
Clark W. Nicholls
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+clarkfot=cwnicholls.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+clarkfot=cwnicholls.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don
Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:24 PM
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autox

A fan has posted over 1500 photos of VTR 2007 on his site.  There are many
of the autocross. http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/

http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2007VTRb/

From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 16:25:58 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7cf0a$c70da010$c1e2010a@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm running the RA-1's with full tread as rain tires on my Spitfire and I
really like them.  26 PSI front and rear as a starting spot and lots of
negative camber.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:56 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
(cold)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings? Kev Lynch asst. CDI RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jul 25 20:21:55 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 20:25:54 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:25:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
Message-ID: <003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

several of us actually met the fat broad in person at the Iron City Brewery 
somr years ago.
I have pictures somewhere of her with us and our TRs.
Bruce


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding
> in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You
> can often find them on eBay if you want one.
>
> There's one here, bottom left:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitemZ200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Susan     :)
>
>
> Scott Janzen wrote:
>> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad 
>> on
>> the side of the can in a bikini...
> -- 
> *****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 25 21:00:26 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:00:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <027a01c7cf31$1e2dbe90$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I have the original photo somewhere of Bruce, Woody McVicker and Benji along
with my TR4A and Benji's TR3. Bruce borrowed my car for the photo
opportunity. I think it was around 1982.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>; "Scott Janzen"
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> several of us actually met the fat broad in person at the Iron City
Brewery
> somr years ago.
> I have pictures somewhere of her with us and our TRs.
> Bruce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
> > Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding
> > in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You
> > can often find them on eBay if you want one.
> >
> > There's one here, bottom left:
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitem
Z200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > Susan     :)
> >
> >
> > Scott Janzen wrote:
> >> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad
> >> on
> >> the side of the can in a bikini...
> > --
> > *****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > stutzmans at comcast.net
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Jul 26 05:58:14 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:58:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>

What size RA-1s are you all running on your TR4s?  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:22 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
>Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR
ofbracing at nefcom.net
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot

From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 26 06:11:06 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
better >>

And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going

>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR
scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 07:10:12 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:10:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>
References: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
	<000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <20070726131122.1CE991879F6@autox.team.net>

I was running 205-50/15's.  Unfortunately, 60 series tires aren't 
available.  Loved em!  Started full depth, took it slightly easy on 
them for a bit to avoid any chunking problems, and got like a season 
and a half out of them.  Switched to the Speedsters as at least one 
of the vintage groups I run with has issues with the fact that they 
are 60 series.  Too bad, because the Toyos are relatively 
inexpensive, have the SAME grip level as comparable Hoosiers, and 
last a long time.  When I was running the Vintage TD's, tire costs 
were killing me - that's why I switched to the Toyo.  The Speedster 
came out about the same time I made the switch.

The 205's fit the TR-4 better than you'd think.  I'm running 6" wide 
panasport wheels.

- Tony

At 06:58 AM 7/26/2007, OFB Racing wrote:
>What size RA-1s are you all running on your TR4s?  Don
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>Tony Drews
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:22 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
>for him.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
> >I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
> >(cold)
> >
> >Scott B.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> >[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf
> >Of KEVIN LYNCH
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
> >To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
> >
> >Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
> >frnt: 26#
> >rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
> >Kuhmo.
> >Are you planning on going to Hastings?
> >Kev Lynch
> >asst. CDI
> >RMVR
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
> >   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> >   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
> >   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
> >
> >
> >   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
> >on
> >   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
> >   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
>am
> >   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
> >   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
> >   Thanks again for the help,
> >   Jim Gray
> >   Newbie to the RMVR
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 07:11:39 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, looking 
for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of the tire?  I don't 
know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only running 18 lb rear and 20 
lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
> scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 07:14:33 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20070726131541.D32601879F1@autox.team.net>

The spec Miata guys all run RA-1's, that's how I arrived at my 40 to 
42 hot pressure.  There are several articles on the 'net about those 
tires.  They recommend lots of camber too.  Running 36 front / 34 
rear (cold) pressures, I wasn't unduly wearing the middle, but the 
middle did wear slightly more than the outside edge.

Also, you can ignore the rotation arrow on the side of the tire - 
that's for wet running only.  When you bevel the inside edge, have 
them flipped on the rim to even out the wear.

Incidentally, the RA-1's are GREAT in the rain (especially compared 
with the Vintage TD which is awful in the wet).  I won a race on a 
drying track with those tires, even though they had very little tread left.

- Tony

At 07:11 AM 7/26/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>  <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
>better >>
>
>And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
>little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
>through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
>left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
>Scott B.

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 08:03:05 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <002b01c7cf8d$c3896bd0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to 
defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.

Ed 

From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 08:29:08 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <c80.15eb76f5.33da09b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/26/2007 9:06:56 AM Central Daylight Time, 
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:


> Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to 
> 
> defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.
> 
> 

That's probably what blew the top off that TR4.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...That picture is proudly displayed in our shop as well.  Incidentally, we 
always maintained that the driver in that picture is Don Brick.  Could be!



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 08:57:26 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:57:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <c3a.17b4480d.33da1056@aol.com>

<<<  Bob Wismer wrote...On another matter can you contact FOT and see if 
anybody has a  source for a rechargeable AMB TRANX 260 transponder. AMB wants $375 
plus shipping and eBay is about  $350................>>>

Amici...

Bob Wismer, a retired coupon clipper, sent me the above email.  He wants to 
know if anyone has better (read more economical) source of rechargeable 
transponders than listed above.  Apparently his wife won't give him that much money.

Any ideas?

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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jul 26 09:00:40 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <380-22007742615040689@M2W034.mail2web.com>

perhaps she could be an HONORARY FoG

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ed Woods fogbro1 at comcast.net
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0400
To: stutzmans at comcast.net, spitfiresuz at 141.com, S.Janzen at comcast.net,
Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to
defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.

Ed
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 09:02:16 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070726150237.67089187A30@autox.team.net>

You're right, the proper way to set pressures and camber is to do 
tire temperature readings immediately after significant cornering.
Outside edge hotter = not enough camber.  Inner edge hotter = too 
much camber.  Middle of tire hotter = too much pressure.  Outer edges 
of tire hotter = not enough pressure.  Probably best to do that at a 
skid pad if possible.

In the Speedsters, I ran 18 psi cold front and 17 psi cold 
rear.  Handled decently (not a crisp a turn in as the RA-1's, but 
much lower pressure could account for that).  Didn't seem to wear the 
outer edges more than the middle.  I've heard of pressures all over 
the map for the speedsters.

- Tony

At 08:11 AM 7/26/2007, Scott Janzen wrote:
>Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, 
>looking for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of 
>the tire?  I don't know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only 
>running 18 lb rear and 20 lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>><<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
>>better >>
>>
>>And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
>>little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
>>through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
>>left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>>Of Tony Drews
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
>>for him.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>>(cold)
>>>
>>>Scott B.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>>
>>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>>frnt: 26#
>>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>>Kuhmo.
>>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>>Kev Lynch
>>>asst. CDI
>>>RMVR
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>>
>>>
>>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>>
>>>on
>>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
>>am
>>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>>   Jim Gray
>>>   Newbie to the RMVR

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 09:30:32 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:30:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <c3a.17b4480d.33da1056@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009001c7cf99$e83064a0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

There's got to be a good business in making substitute devices somehow.  You 
know these little buggers don't cost that much to make.  Is this a 
conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devices/racers 
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S group 
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> <<<  Bob Wismer wrote...On another matter can you contact FOT and see if
> anybody has a  source for a rechargeable AMB TRANX 260 transponder. AMB 
> wants $375
> plus shipping and eBay is about  $350................>>>
>
> Amici...
>
> Bob Wismer, a retired coupon clipper, sent me the above email.  He wants 
> to
> know if anyone has better (read more economical) source of rechargeable
> transponders than listed above.  Apparently his wife won't give him that 
> much money.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 09:46:14 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <bee.19acb2cf.33da1bc6@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/26/2007 10:30:55 AM Central Daylight Time, 
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:


> There's got to be a good business in making substitute devices somehow.  
> You 
> know these little buggers don't cost that much to make.  Is this a 
> conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devices/racers 
> 
> subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S group 
> has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
> 

I suspect, "YES" is the proper response to your questions and statements.  

Monopolies are terrible (unless, of course, you're in on them).  

In their defense I am sure they had R&D expenses and extraordinary start up 
costs getting the universal acceptance.  I think at some point any legal 
protection they enjoy will cease and alternatives will surface.  But in the interim, 
there is no question that it is a nifty system far superior to what we used 
to deal with.  Having sufficient workers at our events is an ongoing problem, 
and the AMB Timing & Scoring system sure helps there.

Bill Dentinger
 


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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jul 26 10:07:51 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <20070726.100752.-218683.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
individual devices/racers 
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
group 
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?

NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
a system like AMB.

AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
ones & zeros.

Bill

From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 26 10:50:51 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:50:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to pay to play.

~S

-----Original Message-----
>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>
>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>individual devices/racers 
>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>group 
>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>
>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>a system like AMB.
>
>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>ones & zeros.
>
>Bill
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 11:12:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c7cfa8$2ab8d4c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and 
local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not 
> inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part 
> of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's 
> lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name 
> and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder 
> unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old 
> stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to 
> pay to play.
>
> ~S
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>>
>>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>>individual devices/racers
>>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>>group
>>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>>
>>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>>a system like AMB.
>>
>>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>>ones & zeros.
>>
>>Bill
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 11:46:49 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c7cfac$f55ac680$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk>

Anyone have thoughts on tire pressures running A70-13 Hoosier Street TDs on 
a Spitfire?
Thanks!!!

Steve Groh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Jul 26 11:53:29 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV3656366632F6A409B9835B7F20@phx.gbl>

  Afternoon all!  Just wanted to bring the group up to date on what we're
trying to do out here in Colo. re: a new track. We've lost 3 now and this
essentially, will be our last stand. If we can't raise enough funds for this,
the future will be very uncertain for amateur road racing in this state.  Keep
your fingers crossed & have a good, safe  summer.
Kev Lynch
RMVR
  www.highplainsraceway.com/track.html<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/track
.html>

From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 12:02:53 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:02:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <d2f.c32b82a.33da3bcd@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/07 8:30:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<< Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devi
ces/racers   subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T
&S group   has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money? >>

I had a non-rechargeable AMB transponder on my TR-3, with no problems.  My
son had a rechargeable transponder on his RX-7 Mazda.  He had nothing but
trouble with his rechargeable transponder.  We were even afraid to plug it into
 the
cigarette lighter in my van, for fear that it would run down the battery, and
we wouldn't make it back to the track.

I gave him my transponder, and then bought another non-chargeable transponder
for the TR-3.  Then this new transponder wouldn't work, and I had to rent one
from the track.  Fortunately, AMB replaced this last transponder, and it is
working.  I still favor the transponders powered from the car.  You are
eliminating another variable (the battery).

There is a lot of conspiracy going on behind the scene, such as individuals
lobbing for rule changes to pad their pockets.  That hydrogen embrittlement of
the metal parts on seat belts was a big farce.  Those metal parts would be
functional after all of us are gone, unless they are thrown into a furnace.

I told several SCCA officials that hydrogen embrittlement is a nuclear
reactor term.  That is the concern that the reactor pressure vessels may crack 
due
to hydrogen embrittlement over a long time period.  Most of the reactors in
this country are over forty years old.  These pressure vessels are also in a hi
gh
radioactive field, and have gone through many pressure/temperature cycles.

At least Bill Simpson has come through with his Impact Racing company.  He
will still replace the webbing on your metal seat belt parts for considerably
less money than buying new seat belts.

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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 12:25:44 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:25:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
Message-ID: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>

Does anyone have a source of TR-3 slave cylinders?  The one that came with
the car in 1959 is still on the car, and has been rebuilt many times.  The usua
l
sources (Roadster Factory, Moss, British Victoria, etc.) say that this part
is no longer available.
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu Jul 26 12:52:43 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:52:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
In-Reply-To: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>
References: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c7cfb6$25f6d780$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> Does anyone have a source of TR-3 slave cylinders?  The one 
> that came with
> the car in 1959 is still on the car, and has been rebuilt 
> many times. 

If it was new in 1959, it must be the later Girling clutch slave.  AFAIK
these are readily available from the usual suspects.

Moss P/N 580-760, TRF P/N GI64068867.

The early Lockheed clutch slaves are NLA AFAIK, but not too hard to
substitute a later unit.  You may need a different hose & the bracket from a
later car tho, I don't remember offhand what all I did.  But I did it and it
worked fine for me.

If you do have a TR2-3 with Lockheed hydraulics (front drum brakes), and
originality is important to you; then I'd suggest having your original slave
re-sleeved by White Post, or Apple or someone like that.

Randall 
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Jul 26 13:06:45 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:06:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Balance/Bias Bar
Message-ID: <46A8F0C5.6090700@charter.net>

Sorry to bomb the list but have any of you Spitfire racers build your 
own brake bias bar?
I have seen the ones shown in Kas's new book on page 99 but it's hard to 
see any detail.
One looks like the unit from Pegasus or Tilton and the other looks like 
the owner made it.

Also with either is their any modifications required to the upper part 
of the pedal where the pin normally would be positioned?

Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spitfire Race Car (slooow progress in completing)

From LOddTR at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:23:01 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <ca7.14ec8314.33da5ca5@aol.com>

Steve,
 
I had the pleasure of being the first to have one of the hard-wired units 
fail. At least that's what the tech said.. oh yeah, send $350 for a replacement!
 
They got the monopoly so we haven't a choice. I hope this one lasts longer 
than four years.
 
Leo



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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 26 14:26:02 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:26:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
In-Reply-To: <ca7.14ec8314.33da5ca5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612710@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

We've had two of these units "fail" in the Spitfire.  The LED is lit,
but T&S gets no signal.  Not WEAK signal, NO signal.  We tried moving
the transponder to another spot on the car, higher up and with a clearer
shot at the track.  Still no joy.

For those of you that have had one fail (hard-wired units), is the LED
lit?  How have they failed?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of LOddTR at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM
To: S.Janzen at comcast.net; BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

Steve,

I had the pleasure of being the first to have one of the hard-wired
units fail. At least that's what the tech said.. oh yeah, send $350 for
a replacement!

They got the monopoly so we haven't a choice. I hope this one lasts
longer than four years.

Leo



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From LOddTR at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:42:27 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:42:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <c79.18e2d3b3.33da6133@aol.com>

Mine glowed bright but had a weak, or no, signal.
 
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 15:11:45 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:11:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <d31.10e318c2.33da6811@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2007 4:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
LOddTR at aol.com writes:

Mine  glowed bright but had a weak, or no, signal.


mine always seems about 3 seconds a lap too slow...
 
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jul 26 15:56:10 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:56:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"
References: <BAY124-DAV3656366632F6A409B9835B7F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002201c7cfcf$c91ab8a0$6501a8c0@S1099895562>

Link below doesn't work. Try just www.highplainsraceway.com/

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KEVIN LYNCH" <klynch_6 at msn.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"


>  Afternoon all!  Just wanted to bring the group up to date on what we're
> trying to do out here in Colo. re: a new track. We've lost 3 now and this
> essentially, will be our last stand. If we can't raise enough funds for 
> this,
> the future will be very uncertain for amateur road racing in this state. 
> Keep
> your fingers crossed & have a good, safe  summer.
> Kev Lynch
> RMVR
> 
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> .html>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:29:27 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AA@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Tire temps at a track are always a little off from real heating because the
outside edge of the tire gets cooled as you run down the straight. You can
compensate for this, but the best way to do tire temps is on a skid pad. You'd
wind up with a huge amount of camber if you believed trackside tire temps.

for just checking pressure, look mostly at the inside vs. center (assuming
your camber is reasonably OK). All this tire temp stuff can be
tricky--overinflation compensates for too little camber (or too much) since
you increase the contact patch in the corners.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Scott Janzen
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 6:11 AM
To: Barr, Scott; Tony Drews; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, looking
for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of the tire?  I don't
know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only running 18 lb rear and 20
lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:35:37 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:35:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BRAINERD August 3-5, 2007
References: <c6d.1217fbf7.33da19bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AC@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I will be at Brainerd. See you there I hope. I'll bring Old Frothingslosh (or
a reasonable substitute).


-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com]
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 8:37 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: BRAINERD August 3-5, 2007

Bill

FYI.  In case BRAINERD is in fact your next event, know that this week Uncle
Jack is helping Bob Wismer fix the transmission and replace the clutch in his
TR4.  Assuming they do not expose another issue, there is a good chance we
will run BRAINERD with VSCR the week end after next.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:37:36 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:37:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <20070726.100752.-218683.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AD@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Actually, it wouldn't be hard to build AMB transponders, nothing in them
that's really proprietary. And that is the 'murrican way.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of William G
Rosenbach
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 9:07 AM
To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
individual devices/racers
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
group
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?

NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
a system like AMB.

AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
ones & zeros.

Bill
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:39:09 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<00bf01c7cfa8$2ab8d4c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AE@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Yes to all, even bicyclists use AMBs.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Scott Janzen
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 10:12 AM
To: steve; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and
local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not
> inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part
> of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's
> lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name
> and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder
> unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old
> stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to
> pay to play.
>
> ~S
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>>
>>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>>individual devices/racers
>>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>>group
>>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>>
>>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>>a system like AMB.
>>
>>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>>ones & zeros.
>>
>>Bill
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu Jul 26 18:04:24 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:04:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brad or Susan
Message-ID: <NJEDLIPPPIKINBMDJOPBEEMGCAAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

Sorry for the off topic post.
 
Brad or Susan Kahler, please contact me off list.
 
Thanks
 
Ken Gano

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 19:32:33 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<002b01c7cf8d$c3896bd0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <004001c7cfee$138751f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

yeh - but she is still famous
Bruce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Susan Kahler" 
<spitfiresuz at 141.com>; "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; 
<Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around 
> to defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.
>
> Ed 

From stutzmans at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 19:35:19 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:35:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <c80.15eb76f5.33da09b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c7cfee$78db42f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

maybe you are right - Brick is the only one of us old enough to have been in
that picture.
Bruce

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: fogbro1 at comcast.net ; stutzmans at comcast.net ; spitfiresuz at 141.com ;
S.Janzen at comcast.net ; Fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


  In a message dated 07/26/2007 9:06:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:



    Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around
to
    defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.




  That's probably what blew the top off that TR4.

  Bill (Damdinger)

  PS...That picture is proudly displayed in our shop as well.  Incidentally,
we always maintained that the driver in that picture is Don Brick.  Could be!



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From Herald948 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 19:45:01 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:45:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
Message-ID: <cc2.147a305f.33daa81d@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2007 2:57:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ryoung at navcomtech.com writes:

The  early Lockheed clutch slaves are NLA AFAIK, but not too hard to
substitute  a later unit.  You may need a different hose & the bracket from  a
later car tho, I don't remember offhand what all I did.  But I did  it and it
worked fine for me.


==AM==
Possibly a moot point here, but Moss Europe advertises (in TR Action,  the TR 
Register magazine) a new reproduction of the Lockheed slave cylinder.  
Presumably this part could make its way to Moss USA?  

--Andy   Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus   (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and  Triumph Herald 
Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 




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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri Jul 27 13:19:10 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] cam followers
Message-ID: <200707271919.l6RJJNFm021615@ns3.geneseo.net>

Does anybody know the source for ceramic cam followers for the TR4 engine?

uncle jack 



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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 27 13:49:40 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <BAY115-F122019528916DE0621F5598CF30@phx.gbl>

Yes, we use this expensive POS in motorcycle racing (AHRMA, WERA).

Shane Ingate, soon to be moving to New Mexico

Scott Janzen wrote:
>OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and
>local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 15:47:19 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
Message-ID: <002301c7d097$b5060c20$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Nice looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR4-IRS-1967-vintage-race-ready-car-no
-reserve_W0QQitemZ250145473752QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1Q
QcmdZViewItem

From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 27 16:33:48 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:33:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
Message-ID: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?




I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,  I 
knew Barry had it though.
If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
Glen




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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 27 17:24:24 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010a01c7d0a5$44bac2e0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I recall seeing this car at the 2005 Mitty. It is very well prepared and as
I recall it was competitive too. It's nicer than the photos.
NFI at all.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: <Fubog1 at aol.com>
To: <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
>
>
>
>
> I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,
I
> knew Barry had it though.
> If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
> Glen

From alan at nosbritishparts.com  Fri Jul 27 21:05:06 2007
From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <010a01c7d0a5$44bac2e0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <683315.61338.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I drove the #24 car for Barry Rosenberg  for many years. It is the ex Jim Ealy TR4. It is one of the most perfect examples of a TR4 in existence. All the years it was raced it avoided body damage. I don't think it ever even got a tire mark. The only damage it got was when Jim Ealy loaded it on the trailer and bumped the bonnet. He towed it to the track behind a Lincoln MKIV. The trailer was a double axle on Jaguar Series I E-type wire wheels. 
 Barry changed the rear axles to CV joints and it totally changed the way the car went down the back straight at Road Atlanta. Can you imagine a TR4 that doesn't vibrate?? The car was silk smooth. It has a CR J-type OD that you can shift as quick as you want. 
 I see my name is still on the drivers door making me believe that it has not been raced since the 2005 Mitty. Somebody on the list should have this car. I wish I was in a position to grab it but I have too many already. Feel free to e-mail me for more info.

Alan Taylor   

Jerry Van  Vlack <jerryvv at adelphia.net> wrote: I recall seeing this car at the 2005 Mitty. It is very well prepared and as
I recall it was competitive too. It's nicer than the photos.
NFI at all.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: ; 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
>
>
>
>
> I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,
I
> knew Barry had it though.
> If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
> Glen
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 27 22:03:56 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:03:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46AAC02C.9050501@bradakis.com>

Looks like a nice car, though it no doubt needs some work.
And that trailer is WAY too small.

Normally I would say that being the underemployed bum that
I am these days I could never afford such a car.  This week, though,
I wonder.  The current bid on the car and trailer is not much more than
the loss my retirement fund suffered this last week thanks to the stock
market.  That money is just gone, vanished, poof.  Had I sold some
of that stock and purchased this car, it would still be an entry in the
asset column...

Ain't hindsight fun?

mjb.

From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 22:13:51 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
  <46AAC02C.9050501@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c7d0cd$ba9d42d0$6401a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

look at it this way. You are still way up for the year in the market (so 
far).  and yes, race cars always need some work.  We'd be bored otherwise.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> Looks like a nice car, though it no doubt needs some work.
> And that trailer is WAY too small.
>
> Normally I would say that being the underemployed bum that
> I am these days I could never afford such a car.  This week, though,
> I wonder.  The current bid on the car and trailer is not much more than
> the loss my retirement fund suffered this last week thanks to the stock
> market.  That money is just gone, vanished, poof.  Had I sold some
> of that stock and purchased this car, it would still be an entry in the
> asset column...
>
> Ain't hindsight fun?
>
> mjb.
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sat Jul 28 14:26:01 2007
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:26:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB placement
Message-ID: <46ABA659.60602@cyberspeedway.net>

Group,
      I had occasion to do some investigating with the AMB transponders 
for our SCCA region. I built an antenna loop in the driveway and 
measured the signal strength with an oscilloscope. AMB's directions are 
mostly OK but I found some improvements. The signal is broadcast in a 
cone shape and we are trying not to affect it.

     1. The signal is best between 12" and 18" above the track.
     2. Mounting the transponder against a metal plane like a firewall or
        inner fender panel tilts the cone away from the panel.
     3. Trying to go through fiberglass does somewhat restrict the
        signal.
     4. Don't try to aim the transponder through a hole as this greatly
        attenuates the signal.
     5. If you have to go through a horizontal panel, place the end of
        the transponder through the panel about 1/2".

     Hope this might help somebody.
     Greg Lund

From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat Jul 28 20:31:32 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:31:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 8, Issue 41
Message-ID: <cb2.174b8cb1.33dd5604@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/28/2007 11:00:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:10 -0500
> From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
> Subject: [Fot] cam followers
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <200707271919.l6RJJNFm021615 at ns3.geneseo.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Does anybody know the source for ceramic cam followers for the TR4 engine?
> 
> uncle jack 

Yes.

Sorry, try Bill Babcock, I am sure he knows!

Leon

    
    
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 29 05:42:55 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:42:55 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070725052821.A392C1879F5@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070729114319.52EE81879BB@autox.team.net>

Hi All,

Just got to this thread today; I have been out of contact due to pressure of
work, etc.

At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
Tony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which
gave me the balance that I was comfortable with. Given that I know that both
Tony and I run different suspension settings all I can suggest is that you
do some testing and find pressures that work for you.

Btw, I ran a 2:51 at RA which was slightly slower (a couple of seconds) than
Tony so you might want to follow his lead if you are building a truly quick
car.

Cheers, Keith.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Tony Drews
Sent: 25 July 2007 06:27
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

You want at least that much camber in the front - I had about 2 1/2 
degrees.  You want the pressures to be in the 40 to 42 range hot.  I 
ran 36 psi front and 34 psi rear with a solid axle TR-4.

- Tony Drews

At 10:40 PM 7/24/2007, James Gray wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
>an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>Thanks again for the help,
>Jim Gray
>Newbie to the RMVR
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 12:11:05 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:11:05 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
Message-ID: <ccd.17a1ecf3.33de3239@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than  T
ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which  gave 
me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24 pou
nds
in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire pressures
after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi, and RR=28 psi.
The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the pressures after the
tires cool, write down these readings, and start with these pressures for the
next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove the NASCAR series one year
told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 15:09:25 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:09:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Manifold Flange
Message-ID: <d5b.d8e3863.33de5c05@aol.com>

Amici...

We need to make a new stainless steel exhaust manifold for our THUNDER BOLT.  
We've got all of the tubing we need, and the existing to work from, but we 
like to have a new stainless steel TR flange to start with.  

Anyone know where I can get one?

Bill Dentinger
   


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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sun Jul 29 18:36:29 2007
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:36:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction
Message-ID: <46AD328D.5020407@cyberspeedway.net>

Sorry,
        I thought about the height dimensions I listed yesterday and the 
low dimension didn't seem right. I listed the low optimum dimension as 
12" but I looked at my notes and down to 6" is OK. A mind is a terrrible 
thing.
Greg Lund

From budscars at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 19:30:43 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction
References: <46AD328D.5020407@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <003c01c7d249$41802070$e58cb304@Bud>

Hi Gang..the transponder on my Spitfire is mounted with the bottom about 7" 
off the ground..It's attached to the frame with 2 cable ties on the left 
side about 7" from the very front of the frame ..Mine is the 'wired in 
type'..I have not heard of any probs with wired in transponders..I know 
several people who have had the chargeable ones fail..and then the 
replacements fail...I see no advantage to the re-chargeable type.If you want 
to transfer a wired in transponder from one car to another..it's easy to 
just use some snap connectors, etc..Is there an advantage to the charge up 
type that I don't know about?
Thanks
Racer Bud
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From: "greg" <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction


> Sorry,
>        I thought about the height dimensions I listed yesterday and the
> low dimension didn't seem right. I listed the low optimum dimension as
> 12" but I looked at my notes and down to 6" is OK. A mind is a terrrible
> thing.
> Greg Lund
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 30 07:56:03 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:56:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <ccd.17a1ecf3.33de3239@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966B7@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I check hot tire pressures, and correlate it to cold later, but that's just so
I can predict what cold pressure will result in what hot. I don't know of any
reason to equalize tire pressures that way. When you read tire temperatures
you always find one or two wheels that are a lot colder than the others,
usually because of the nature of the track. When I find a tire that's running
a lot hotter on a given track I pay closer attention to the difference between
center and inside edge temperatures. That hard working tire will affect
handling a lot, and getting the temperature spread across the tire to be equal
will often improve lap times.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of
WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 11:11 AM
To: keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
T
ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which  gave
me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24
pou
nds
in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire pressures
after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi, and RR=28
psi.
The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the pressures after
the
tires cool, write down these readings, and start with these pressures for the
next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove the NASCAR series one year
told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul 30 12:14:21 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
Message-ID: <200707301814.l6UIEXWk149063@ns3.geneseo.net>

A friend in Germany is looking for a diff bump stop. This is the part 
that bolts to the body sheet metal, directly over the nose of the 
diff, and has a rubber part that hangs down and under certain 
conditions contacts the diff. Does anyone have one, or know of a 
source for one?

Thanks

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Jul 30 12:45:12 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:45:12 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
Message-ID: <d39.f75a641.33df8bb8@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/30/2007 1:15:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes:


> A friend in Germany is looking for a diff bump stop. This is the part 
> that bolts to the body sheet metal, directly over the nose of the 
> diff, and has a rubber part that hangs down and under certain 
> conditions contacts the diff. Does anyone have one, or know of a 
> source for one?
> 

Nein.

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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 16:13:42 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966B7@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <002501c7d2f6$e4c59410$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I used to do a lot of engineering and chassis tuning for one of the top Club
FF teams here in the Northwest.  That was back when 25-30 car fields were
the norm.
 If you were working with a driver that could run at the front of this field
(staying in the lead draft), then fine tuning of the tire pressures was a
must.  We'd adjust to 1/2 PSI. If the driver was a couple of seconds off the
pace, they couldn't tell the difference of a couple of PSI as long as the
balance was close.

Of course this was on bias ply tires.  I've heard that radials are more
forgiving, but I think we need to hear from a tire engineer to be sure of
that.

The other thing that was needed was to purge the tires with dry nitrogen.
Otherwise there was no consistency, particularily here in the NW with our
moist air.

Like Bill says below, we'd check the pressure hot and then see what it
dropped to when cold to get a good starting spot.  The best way to check hot
is during a practice session coming in straight off a hot lap, same as tire
temps.  We used the wear pattern as much if not more than the pyrometer to
determine camber settings.

Finally, if a car looses it's balance and the normal adjustments don't seem
to work right, it's time for new tires.  It's impossible to set up a car on
bad rubber.

Jim Norlin


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:56 AM
To: WEmery7451 at aol.com; keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com;
toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


I check hot tire pressures, and correlate it to cold later, but that's just
so I can predict what cold pressure will result in what hot. I don't know of
any reason to equalize tire pressures that way. When you read tire
temperatures you always find one or two wheels that are a lot colder than
the others, usually because of the nature of the track. When I find a tire
that's running a lot hotter on a given track I pay closer attention to the
difference between center and inside edge temperatures. That hard working
tire will affect handling a lot, and getting the temperature spread across
the tire to be equal will often improve lap times.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of
WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 11:11 AM
To: keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
T ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which
gave me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24
pou nds in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire
pressures after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi,
and RR=28 psi. The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the
pressures after the tires cool, write down these readings, and start with
these pressures for the next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove
the NASCAR series one year told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jul 30 16:21:08 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:21:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Convertible top needed for 74 Spitfire
Message-ID: <20070730222155.9A4ED1879E3@autox.team.net>

Hi fellow FOT members.
My son, Drew, drives a 1974 Spitfire. His car runs well but is in need of a
new convertible top- black is prefered.  As a college student and a Triumph
owner  he is short of bucks. If anyone has a used but still servicable vinyl
top they are willing to sell I would appreciate it. If not I'll help him
bite the bullet and order a new one.
Thanks to all,
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Mon Jul 30 19:46:39 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:46:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paging Irv Korey
Message-ID: <17616431.2096171185846399344.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net>

Irv;
     Please send me an E-Mail. I have lost my address book.

Dean

From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 19:53:49 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
References: <200707301814.l6UIEXWk149063@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<200707302022.29534.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <002301c7d315$a3aff460$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

I recall Jerry Van Vlack pointing out the bump stop on a TR4 straight axle 
frame. TR3's never had then. Did both TR4's and 4A's have them?

Ed Woods 

From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 22:54:35 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:54:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fund raisers for High Plains Raceway
Message-ID: <001301c7d32e$e4baeb40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

It seems to me if High Plains is to really get off the ground ( so to
speak ) fundraisers need to be happening now. I didn't see any plans to
raise
funds on the website other than simply asking for donations. Every car
club in the region should be contacted and fund raising events planned. 
Only $ 850K has been raised out of a goal of $ 3 million. If this kind
of money is to be raised it must be sought out.
I heard somewhere that Adele Arakawa was a racer so I did a quick search
and found she has been active in Porsche and BMW events.
She is very well connected and may be a good resource for fund raising.
There are also plenty of car dealerships in the area that are active in
some 
way in motor sports and may help host some form of fund raising effort
or event.
I personally don't know anyone at CAMA but I would gladly volunteer to
assist with any real fund raising efforts.
 This is an excerpt from Adele Arakawa's bio
As for hobbies, Adele and her husband are avid golfers. The entire
family also enjoys racing cars. Adele is a certified driving instructor
for the Rocky Mountain Region Porsche Club, and holds Club Racing
license with PCA, racing in venues such as Daytona International
Speedway, Las Vegas Motor Speedway and Barbar Motorsports Park. 
 
http://www.9news.com/company/bios/article.aspx?storyid=69840
 
http://www.highplainsraceway.com/capital-campaign.html
 
Any ideas from the membership ?
 
Jim Gray
RMVR newbie

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul  1 23:32:54 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>

Some random FOT driver in the grid:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg

Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
some, uh, debris coming off course:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

mjb.


From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 06:16:16 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:16:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7bca2$d0db8640$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Nice job Mark
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller


> Some random FOT driver in the grid:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg
>
> Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
> up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
> some, uh, debris coming off course:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg
>
>
> Congratulations Chuck.
>
> mjb.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 08:55:16 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <810860.43427.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

That's one fancy vortex generator on the back of that Spitfire.  Good job Chuck.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:  

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 09:38:48 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:38:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
Message-ID: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>

Guys,

I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance 
Triumph lovers to miss.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a 
bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?

Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in 
Maryland

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul  2 10:01:09 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <46892145.9000809@bradakis.com>

Wow.  Wonder why the seller calls it a TR6?

mjb.


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 10:21:32 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:21:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

That car pops up from time to time on these lists.  I personally would not
feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
and so narrow of a track.

It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an accident
just waiting to happen.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> Guys,
>
> I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance
> Triumph lovers to miss.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>
> I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a
> bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?
>
> Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in
> Maryland


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 10:25:39 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:25:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F4043A88B08E5C053205D1ED20D0@phx.gbl>

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

"Nothing exceeds like excess..."

        -Virgil Exner

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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 10:35:03 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:35:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks Mark.? We had a great weekend with nine Triumphs attending.? It was an honor to receive the Cup this year.

We missed our brethren from the Midwest and east...hopefully next time.

Thanks to Kas and Peggy for making the trip and pouring the champagne.? It wouldn't be a Kastner Cup event without them.

Kudos to to Greg Hilyer from New Mexico!? He campaigned a very fast TR4 and also shellacked us on the go cart track.? We also nominated and seconded him in person for FOT membership with Mark Bradakis present (an official, unofficial ceremony), so Mark, please add him to the list.? His email is lunkercars at earthlink.net.? Greg, when you get some time, please tell us more about yourself.

All in all, a great time at a fantastic facility with great friends.? I'm sure there will be pictures to follow.

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J. Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:32 pm
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller



Some random FOT driver in the grid:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg

Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
some, uh, debris coming off course:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

mjb.
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jul  2 10:35:37 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707021234470.10082-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Joe Curry wrote:

> That car pops up from time to time on these lists.  I personally would not
> feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
> and so narrow of a track.
> 
> It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an accident
> just waiting to happen.

But I'd bet you could tweak it to get into the 10's.

:-)

Oh - you want it to TURN. That's different!

 
> Joe


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From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 10:47:31 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
	<002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <8C98ADFD14E8475-BF0-5C6@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an 
accident
just waiting to happen.

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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Jul  2 11:28:06 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
Message-ID: <380-2200771217286306@M2W030.mail2web.com>

That's funny--last time it was on eBay (a couple years ago?), it was a
Spitfire!

The Amazing Morphing Triumph!

Susan    :)

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 11:56:04 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F25913F0F95D9C934FD1E568C0D0@phx.gbl>

Joe Curry wrote:
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>I personally would not
>feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
>and so narrow of a track.
>It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well be an accident
>just waiting to happen.

That just about describes all Triumphs ever made!  =80

So tell me again why you put a S2000 motor into the Spit, rather than
a Spit motor into a S2000?  ;)

Shane Ingate, wanting to say "I'm afraid to drive it", in Maryland

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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 12:35:41 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:35:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c7bcd7$cb643100$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Shane did you put a BID on that?
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> Guys,
>
> I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance
> Triumph lovers to miss.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>
> I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a
> bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?
>
> Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in
> Maryland
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 13:42:55 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:42:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F25913F0F95D9C934FD1E568C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005101c7bce1$300efaa0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> So tell me again why you put a S2000 motor into the Spit, rather than
> a Spit motor into a S2000?  ;)


It was to WIN.  Being in a class that was being dominated by Lotus 7 clones
with any engine under 2 liters in size, and weighing 1000 popunds, I wanted
to see if I could get a Spitfire to be competitive.

And I found out that the answer is NO.  Despite all the modifications the
weight difference was too great to make up and I could not take enough
weight off my car to get down to their level.  So I just converted the car
to Street legality and am now enjoying freeway driving in it.  (And playing
with the occasional Corevtte)~  :)

Joe


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  2 16:04:12 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller, Kas Kup
In-Reply-To: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
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Message-ID: <200707022204.l62M4IV8026215@ns3.geneseo.net>

Congratulations, Chuck, on a well deserved award. As recipient #1 
several years ago, like you, I consider receiving a cup from Kastner 
as one of the very high points in my racing career.



uncle jack 



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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 16:31:10 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:31:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
Message-ID: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?

 

I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.

 

The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
driver.

 

The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.

 

Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
one.

 

Cheers,

Joe C.


From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul  2 17:56:35 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <20070703000511.MHVI1204.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

This video has the first 2 minutes of the coverage. The crash between 
teammates at the start and then the huge wreck at the 50 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM74TUKFUM

Some slo-mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TNUhLFjzBY&NR=1

At 03:31 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?
>
>
>
>I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.
>
>
>
>The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
>at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
>them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
>so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
>on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
>driver.
>
>
>
>The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
>circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
>knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
>wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.
>
>
>
>Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
>one.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Joe C.
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>
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 19:18:45 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Curry<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
  To: fot at Autox.Team.Net<mailto:fot at Autox.Team.Net>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday


  Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?



  I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.



  The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
  at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going
around
  them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
  so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
  on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
  driver.



  The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
  circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
  knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
  wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.



  Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
  one.



  Cheers,

  Joe C.
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul  2 19:22:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Now I remember why I don't race open wheel cars.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Curry<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
  To: fot at Autox.Team.Net<mailto:fot at Autox.Team.Net>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday


  Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?



  I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.



  The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking
maneuver
  at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going
around
  them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.
I was
  so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming
down
  on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of
the
  driver.



  The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off
the
  circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
  knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled
the
  wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.



  Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not
this
  one.



  Cheers,

  Joe C.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 19:57:24 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
	<BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c7bd15$808b3c80$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

That one was in the F1 race later in the day

 

Joe

 

  _____  

From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

 

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

 

Fred Hodgson

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Joe <mailto:spitlist at cox.net>  Curry 

To: fot at Autox.Team.Net 

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM

Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

 

Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?

 

I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.

 

The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
driver.

 

The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.

 

Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
one.

 

Cheers,

Joe C.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 20:07:15 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
References: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <001901c7bd16$e0a3f480$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

Bill,
That beer can on wheels that you drive ain't all that far removed from open
wheel racing!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:BillB at bnj.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Fred & Mary Hodgson; fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: RE: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Now I remember why I don't race open wheel cars.  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Jul  3 19:11:22 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:11:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <20070703.191123.-215201.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Hey everyone,
Hope all had a good time at Miller. That was a very well turned out
collection of TRs. Quite impressive.
I really wanted to get a closer look at Steve's GT-6, as well as hear it
at full chat. Sorry your weekend did not go well, Steve. Bummed I missed
Kas, as well. Still looking forward to meeting the man.
How did the Split Start format work out for everyone, from your
perspective?
I'll pass along any ideas, suggestions, criticisms, to help make NR
events better.
There is a Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing event in September, 7-9, in
Hastings, Nebraska. Close to the centre of America, this is the second
RMVR event at that facility. See www.rmvr.com for details. 
Great meeting those of you I got to meet. Hope to see all ya all soon.
Bill


From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul  3 22:14:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get deep
into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of what
I'm getting into.

Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to drop by
Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on the
outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.

We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.

Bill


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 07:02:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:02:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
References: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c7be3b$989c8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I'll be loading up today to head out tomorrow with my GT6.  What's the 
paddock area like - plenty of room?  Any electrical power?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP


> Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
> Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get 
> deep
> into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of 
> what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to 
> drop by
> Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on 
> the
> outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.
>
> We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.
>
> Bill
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 08:36:39 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
References: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
	<003b01c7be3b$989c8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096671@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Big paddock but very limited power. I set up close to one of the few power
sources but I won't be surprised if they make me move. I tried to get to the
outside edge of likely official space, but we'll see.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen [mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net]
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 6:02 AM
To: Bill Babcock; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP

I'll be loading up today to head out tomorrow with my GT6.  What's the
paddock area like - plenty of room?  Any electrical power?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP


> Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
> Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get
> deep
> into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of
> what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to
> drop by
> Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on
> the
> outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.
>
> We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.
>
> Bill
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>
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Wed Jul  4 09:52:42 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALOEGHEIAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I am trying to diagnosis an on going problem with my TR3 cooling system.  It
would be very helpful to have some baseline numbers on the heat gain from
a stock system.

What I am interested in is how quickly a stock system gains heat at a stand
still idle.  Could anyone (or everyone :-)) note the ambient temperature and
how many minutes it takes your car to reach say 170, 180 and 190?   If you
were otherwise doing tuning work, it should just be a matter of writing down
the information and forwarding it.

I will be at Summer Party and VTR with a digital thermometer and asking
anyone willing to let me take some measurements and will be happy to post
the results thereafter.  My thought is that the bigger the sample, the
better.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Gano


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From Cofrog at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 10:41:46 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:41:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.  
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking 
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000 
but it seems to have dead  ended.
 
What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle 
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission 
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the 
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
 
Thanks,
 
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 12:28:41 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <070420071828.22987.468BE6D9000EB742000059CB2200750438970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Cofrog at aol.com 

> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an MGB. 
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed it. In looking 
> over the archives, there was some activity regarding scatter shields in 2000 
> but it seems to have dead ended. 
> 
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source. I see Uncle 
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the transmission 
> cover inside the car. Others feel that the shield needs to wrap around the 
> whole bell housing. Thoughts? 

I was behind a TR2 whose clutch exploded. The flying shrapnel and debris was everywhere, and the driver had some serious injuries (no scattershield). The complaint that some have about wrapping the tranny is that it holds heat, and we know that's not good. My solution was to use Uncle Jack's scattershield along with a kevlar blanket that does not fully wrap the tranny, just the 180 degrees closest to my leg and foot. Fortunately, I have never had to test its effectiveness.
Irv Korey


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 15:35:58 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:35:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling
References: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALOEGHEIAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096673@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I don't have a stock cooling system, but I know the numbers for what I have. I
hit 190 from ambient in three minutes when the outside temp is less than 100.
If I turn on the electric fan then, it stays at 190. Otherwise it reaches 220
in four minutes.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Ken Gano, home
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 8:52 AM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumph List
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling

I am trying to diagnosis an on going problem with my TR3 cooling system.  It
would be very helpful to have some baseline numbers on the heat gain from
a stock system.

What I am interested in is how quickly a stock system gains heat at a stand
still idle.  Could anyone (or everyone :-)) note the ambient temperature and
how many minutes it takes your car to reach say 170, 180 and 190?   If you
were otherwise doing tuning work, it should just be a matter of writing down
the information and forwarding it.

I will be at Summer Party and VTR with a digital thermometer and asking
anyone willing to let me take some measurements and will be happy to post
the results thereafter.  My thought is that the bigger the sample, the
better.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Gano


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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 15:38:23 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096674@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

What I have is a steel plate in the area next to the flywheel. What I'd like
is a oil and grease resistant kevlar blanket for the entire transmission. But
I'm ok with just the plate and a limited imagination.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 9:41 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

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From Malaboge at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 15:59:46 2007
From: Malaboge at aol.com (Malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <bc9.1551a384.33bd7252@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/07 9:42:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Cofrog at aol.com 
writes:

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle 
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission 
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the 
whole bell housing.  Thoughts

Thankfully I have never had to test a scattershield...
That being said I once owned a nationally competitive production car from a 
big name factory supported team that had a piece of about 1"x1"x4" angle iron 
bolted to the bottom corner of the battery tray above the trans and on the 
passengers side of the car!  Useful?...only for passing SCCA tech.
 
I have favored a piece of about 10 or 12 ply conveyer belt that can be 
wrapped around the trans/engine interface and extend to the rear as far as you like. 
(Usually about 8" to 10" rearward) You could make this a 360 degree fitting 
if desired. Its fairly liteweight, easy to manipulate and hopefully strong 
enough to stop any itinerant fragments.  OK. it won't stop a 9mm at about 1100fps 
but will a cluster gear reach that velocity?
 
Still with all my toes and hopin to keep em that way...
                         Nick in Nor Cal



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 19:35:01 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
In-Reply-To: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7bea4$b53fcdc0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm running a custom built scattershield on my Spitfire that is made from
1/4 inch mild steel plate which conforms to GCR requirements.  It was hand
fabricated from two pieces using a big torch and a big hammer and welded
together.  It covers from the rear engine plate back several inches and from
below the starter bendix around just past vertical so it protects the
drivers feet.  It's bolted to the rear of the engine using two of the
bellhousing bolts.  The scattershield is out of the car right now as is the
engine and gearbox, and I can take some photos and send them to anyone
interested.  While I have not tried it out with a clutch

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.

I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle

Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the

whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 19:38:44 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <000701c7bea5$39d52620$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Sorry about that.  Darn laptop sends off e-mails before I'm done with them.

Anyway, I haven't had a clutch explosion, but I was sure glad to have the
scattershield back in '78 when I sheared the flywheel bolts coming down thru
the esses at Sears Point.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering [mailto:norlinengineering at comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Cofrog at aol.com'; 'FOT at Autox.Team.Net'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Scatter Shields


I'm running a custom built scattershield on my Spitfire that is made from
1/4 inch mild steel plate which conforms to GCR requirements.  It was hand
fabricated from two pieces using a big torch and a big hammer and welded
together.  It covers from the rear engine plate back several inches and from
below the starter bendix around just past vertical so it protects the
drivers feet.  It's bolted to the rear of the engine using two of the
bellhousing bolts.  The scattershield is out of the car right now as is the
engine and gearbox, and I can take some photos and send them to anyone
interested.  While I have not tried it out with a clutch

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.

I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle

Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the

whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  4 19:43:32 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:43:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <000601c7bea4$b53fcdc0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000c01c7bea5$e5988dd0$0301000a@Chowdown>

Coincidentally, I was just cleaning my scatter shield  today, it's out of 
the car along with the trans tunnel.
Mine was made by "Trans-Dapt" and looks to be 3/4" thick belted rubber with 
angled steel brackets that bolt it to the frame.
 I don't think this piece is being made anymore.  If anyone wants a photo, 
email me and I'll send one.  It's actually very cool.

~Steve


From billsohl at optonline.net  Thu Jul  5 06:33:53 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (billsohl at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>

Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.

Thanks,

Bill Sohl 


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Jul  5 06:55:17 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:55:17 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096674@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <005201c7bf03$bdc4b1e0$5111efdc@co3017577a>

One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the straight at
Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and dumped the fragments in the
passenger footwell . No shield just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky
guy. Our regs in Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics
Geoff Byrne
TR6 down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <Cofrog at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> What I have is a steel plate in the area next to the flywheel. What I'd
like
> is a oil and grease resistant kevlar blanket for the entire transmission.
But
> I'm ok with just the plate and a limited imagination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Cofrog at aol.com
> Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 9:41 AM
> To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
>
> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an
MGB.
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
> over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
> but it seems to have dead  ended.
>
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see
Uncle
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the
transmission
> cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around
the
> whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul  5 07:21:12 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20070705132144.DEB3F1879D7@autox.team.net>

On Fox, 1:00 pm eastern.

- Tony

At 07:33 AM 7/5/2007, billsohl at optonline.net wrote:
>Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
>coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
>The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Sohl


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jul  5 07:34:03 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:34:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
Message-ID: <20070705.073404.-302133.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Bill,
I'm seeing it on the Dish schedule on FOX, 11:00 AM MDT. 
Bill

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 (GMT) billsohl at optonline.net writes:
> Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British 
> GP this
> coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time 
> conversion right.
> The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV 
> coverage info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Sohl 
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jul  5 08:14:32 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:14:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
In-Reply-To: <005201c7bf03$bdc4b1e0$5111efdc@co3017577a>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F9C9@server.Triumph.local>

Geoff,

Do you know what kind of clutch it was that exploded?

Any chance it was it a stock finger-type TR2-4? I have heard of a couple
of those that have let go.

Anybody ever hear of a TR4A-6 diaphragm spring type clutch letting go?

PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey Byrne
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields
>
> One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the
> straight at Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and
> dumped the fragments in the passenger footwell . No shield
> just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky guy. Our regs in
> Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics Geoff Byrne


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 08:35:58 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:35:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <BAY115-F322416FC8581A57ADC5D5E8C020@phx.gbl>

Dan,

I am using the Uncle Jack item (bought at Carlisle some years ago).  It fits 
well and is hardly visible, especially when painted body color.  It intrudes 
very slightly on the throttle foot, but unless you have clown feet, it 
should not be a problem.  This shield will probably not give complete 
protection should the flywheel disintegrate.  Easiest to install when the 
dash is out of the car.

An alternative approach would be to wrap several layers of ballistic kevlar 
and epoxy around the housing.  Probably a better approach and easier to 
install if the tranny is out of the car, but a little ugly.

Shane Ingate in MD

Dan Fogarty wrote:

>What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see 
>Uncle Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  
>transmission cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  
>wrap around the whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Thu Jul  5 08:44:23 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:44:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4
Message-ID: <cb9.155dc9ad.33be5dc7@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2007 7:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
> steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
> the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...

Is that due to direction of engine rotation? or is that a stupid thought?

Regards

Lion

owner of right-hand-steer Triumph.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul  5 09:00:59 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:00:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net><20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7bf15$4c4076a0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

It will be on FOX, just like the last 3 have.

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of billsohl at optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:34 AM
To: David W. Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?

Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.

Thanks,

Bill Sohl 
_______________________________________________


From dave at microworks.net  Thu Jul  5 09:12:08 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20070705151946.EOCO3098.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

The Candadian, US, French and British GP are broadcast time delayed 
on Fox but the Practice and Quali sessions are broadcast live on 
Speed.  Thankful this year the Speed crew is providing commentary

At 05:33 AM 7/5/2007, you wrote:

>Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
>coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
>The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Sohl


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Jul  5 10:22:17 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:22:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <BAY115-F322416FC8581A57ADC5D5E8C020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01a101c7bf20$a7e96ce0$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


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>From the Tulsa World....


Hallett owner fulfilled life's passion

      LIFETIME IN RACING
      Mike Stephens: The Hallett Motor Racing Circuit promoter died at age 65
on June 23.




By GLENN HIBDON
7/4/2007


MIKE AND CONNIE Stephens were newlyweds 42 years ago when a vision was
formulized. Mike knew then where destiny was leading him.

"We talked about our dreams and he told me he was going to own a race track,"
said Connie. "He would draw pictures of it and I was like, 'Yeah, sure, Mike.
I hope you keep a real job.' In 1975 his father passed away and he bought a
race car three days later. He said, 'Life's too short,' and we've continued
gung ho from there."

Life was indeed too short for Mike Stephens, who died at age 65 on June 23
from an undiagnosed neurological disorder. His passion always centered around
road racing in general and Hallett Motor Racing Circuit in particular.

I remember a robust man who never passed up a chance to talk about the sport
he loved. His wife and sons, Shayne and Scott, were always by his side.

"I think without him Hallett would have ceased to exist," said Connie. "He
took it at a time when it was run down and he put his heart and soul into it.
Now that Shayne, Scott and I have it, we will work really hard too keep his
dream alive. He took a lifelong dream and made it happen and we will miss him
a whole bunch."

Mike began his racing career at Hallett and was involved in some way since the
track's opening in 1976. His sons were members of his pit crew at ages 10 and
7, and Connie saw her first race and worked a corner with Mike on their
honeymoon in 1965. He started his High Performance Driving School at Hallett
and began managing the facility in 1989. The family now owns the track.

Mike was a racer until the end, closing his career at Heartland Park in
Topeka, Kan., in June of 2006.

"He was hurting, but he needed to qualify," said Connie. "When he got off the
track he was placed in an ambulance and taken to a hospital. His colon had
burst and all the poison went through his system.

"He had emergency surgery at 2 a.m. on June 11. On June 11, 2005 we celebrated
our 40th anniversary and on June 11, 2007 he was in the hospital again. It's
been an odd couple of years and we've had to struggle so hard to do everything
to make it through this."

Mike had been in and out of the hospital for more than a year while medical
personnel attempted to diagnose the cause of his health problems. An autopsy
will be performed to determine the reason. Ironically, Mike's mother died
three days before he passed away.

In remembrance, Connie and her family have planned a celebration of Mike's
life to be held at the track on Wednesday starting at 5:30 p.m.

Stories will be shared by those who knew him and will feature the music of
Three Dog Night and Neil Diamond. Mike always played the songs "Sweet
Caroline" and "Joy to the World" before suiting up to race. The official
ceremony begins at 6:45 and a five-minute moment of silence will precede
Mike's ashes making a final lap of the track.

Around 8 p.m. the Finish Line Cafe will provide a cookout and fireworks will
follow at dark. Mike wouldn't have wanted it any

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jul  5 10:52:10 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <002e01c7bf24$d314676e$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

I bought one of these and never installed it. Went a different route.

If anyone is interested in buying it, contact me offlist.

-----Original Message-----
From: "MDunst/Gasket Works" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/5/07 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jul  5 12:34:46 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT t.shirts
Message-ID: <468D39C6.5070907@bright.net>

List members.  FOT t.shirts are ready to ship.  Price is $14.50 up to 
size XL. Add $1.50 for XXL & $3 for XXXL.  Price doesnot include 
shipping.   $4 from every shirt goes to FOT "general" fund. Shipping 
will be by mail.  If you want to pick up your shirts at the VTR 
convention, please let me know. I will have them there. You can pay by 
check or credit card.  Please call or email with payment method. 
 Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
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http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jul  5 15:14:12 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:14:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004301c7bf49$71ca0010$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

The one in my car is the one my brother put in when he built it in 1971. The 
epitome of no-budget construction -- just a chunk of rubber conveyor belt 
bolted to the inside of the plastic aftermarket tunnel cover. Doesn't go all 
the way around, but I'm not really worried about something blowing out the 
right side. If the trans/clutch ever blew out the left side, I'm sure it 
would tear up that tunnel cover, but it would be the shield bruising my 
legs, not the shrapnel.

At least that's what I'm telling myself, and I'm sticking to the story. I 
probably solo more than race, but I've seen solo cars blow a trans too so 
still a good idea.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cofrog at aol.com>
To: <FOT at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an 
> MGB.
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In 
> looking
> over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 
> 2000
> but it seems to have dead  ended.
>
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see 
> Uncle
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the 
> transmission
> cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around 
> the
> whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 17:40:53 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:40:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
Message-ID: <C7E82D4A-92A0-422D-9FC7-6AA4B1882644@earthlink.net>

Same as above.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Jul  5 17:54:34 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Racing on TV
Message-ID: <000e01c7bf5f$d6e3cc40$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Hello All:

Don't know if you'all are aware of  www.tvracer.com  but I just learned of
this site.  It lists on a daily basis, all the racing on TV so you no longer
have to search through various cable and tv guides to find some racing action.

My wife will probably delete this site from my Favorites list!

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 18:37:06 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:37:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
Message-ID: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>

Hey Greg!  Welcome to the FOT!  After you do the Secret Pledge  and memorize 
all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll  then let you 
in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.   Oh, dang, you 
apparently know all that already.  Damn, OK; for a mere  29.95  we can give 
you all the tricks to enhance male performance and  improve stock market appeal. 
 But wait, there's more!  Never mind,  there's not more.  This is just us and 
we'll learn as much from you as we  offer. Fair enough?  Then Welcome to the  
FOT! 



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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Thu Jul  5 18:51:16 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>
References: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <468D9204.9050104@141.com>

I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often!    ;)

Susan      :)

Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Greg!  Welcome to the FOT!  After you do the Secret Pledge  and memorize 
> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll  then let you 
> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.   Oh, dang, you 
> apparently know all that already.  Damn, OK; for a mere  29.95  we can give 
> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and  improve stock market appeal. 
>  But wait, there's more!  Never mind,  there's not more.  This is just us and 
> we'll learn as much from you as we  offer. Fair enough?  Then Welcome to the  
> FOT! 
>
>
>
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>
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>   

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 19:58:31 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <468D9204.9050104@141.com>
Message-ID: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't have any official types.

Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com> wrote:   I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often! ;)

Susan :)

Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and memorize 
> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll then let you 
> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires. Oh, dang, you 
> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we can give 
> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock market appeal. 
> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is just us and 
> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then Welcome to the 
> FOT! 
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Thu Jul  5 20:05:02 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <468DA34E.4000807@141.com>

Oh, no no no.  He would be the un-official greeter.  And he could convey 
the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the 
non-organization of the club. 

Ernest Husmann wrote:
> Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't 
> have any official types.
>
> */Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>/* wrote:
>
>     I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often! ;)
>
>     Susan :)
>
>     Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>     > Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
>     memorize
>     > all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
>     then let you
>     > in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
>     Oh, dang, you
>     > apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
>     can give
>     > you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
>     market appeal.
>     > But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
>     just us and
>     > we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
>     Welcome to the
>     > FOT!
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > ************************************** See what's free at
>     http://www.aol.com.
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>     >
>     >
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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 20:55:25 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <468DA34E.4000807@141.com>
References: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<468DA34E.4000807@141.com>
Message-ID: <E0BD956C-4C8A-4D23-B341-858EEB652A55@earthlink.net>

That would be great as I am fairly confused already.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer

On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Oh, no no no.  He would be the un-official greeter.  And he could  
> convey
> the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the
> non-organization of the club.
>
> Ernest Husmann wrote:
>> Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't
>> have any official types.
>>
>> */Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>     I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more  
>> often! ;)
>>
>>     Susan :)
>>
>>     Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
>>     memorize
>>> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
>>     then let you
>>> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
>>     Oh, dang, you
>>> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
>>     can give
>>> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
>>     market appeal.
>>> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
>>     just us and
>>> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
>>     Welcome to the
>>> FOT!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ************************************** See what's free at
>>     http://www.aol.com.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>     --
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Jul  5 21:17:48 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:17:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <20070706031728.9F41B1879F0@autox.team.net>

I have one of Mordy's blankets on my TR-4A.  It's never been tested but I like
having it on there.  It has an added benefit in that at speed any oil lost
from the engine collects in the blanket and then forms a nice puddle on the
ground once I get back to the paddock.  Its been very helpful in chasing my
oil leaks.  Small puddle = normal.  Big puddle = problem.  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: 7/5/07 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

I bought one of these and never installed it. Went a different route.

If anyone is interested in buying it, contact me offlist.

-----Original Message-----
From: "MDunst/Gasket Works" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/5/07 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 18:21:39 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:21:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>

Hello to Chuck and all,
What a blast at Miller!
As I said to you, Kas,et al., It is the resume part that has kept me
from applying for FoT membership. To Larry Young in particular...
thanks for your nomination earlier this year at Hallett - sorry I
didn't respond but the bio/resume part but me off a bit and I wasn't
quite sure how to go from there. Thanks again Larry for lending me a
ballast resistor - after smoking two Pertronics now, I [now] only run
points! Also thanks to Mark and Chuck for the official nomination and
second. On to the boring stuff about myself:

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
323 Claremont Ave NW Suite K
Albuquerque N.M. 87107
505-345-2055

45 years old [young?]
Currently living "off the grid" [solar power only] in the mountains
[7200+ feet] between Santa Fe and Albuquerque.
Spent my first 26 years in the Seattle area.
After childhood immersion in sportscars [thanks to my long departed
father] started in the automotive industry in 1975 at the age of 14.
Sweeping out the body shop at the South Seattle Auto Auction was far
from glamours but at least I got paid to be around cars. By the age
of 23 I was general sales manager of the most successful and
innovative auto auction in the country... the first to be fully
computerized and the first in what was to become  "chain" auto
auctions. A [McConkey] family owned sale bought by GE Credit Corp.
then partially owned by Ford Motor Credit, ATD and currently Manheim
Auctions. My "Semi Retirement" was my 26th birthday in 1987 - the
year we managed to average 1000 cars sold per week - 52,000 odd cars
sold for the year- a record that stood for 9 years! ... 26 years old,
the keys to the place in my pocket and 28 acres of cars with the keys
in the ignition - talk about a kid in a candy shop!
Left Seattle in '87 for Ashland OR., and with the help, guidance, and
assistance of some wonderful mentors, started wrenching on customer
cars. Haven't worked for anyone other than myself [and customers]
since. Went to Santa Fe in 1996 on a 3 week vacation. Liked it so
much that a week later I went to the local coffee shop, got a cup of
java, found a table, and put up my hand written sign "traveling
mechanic seeks your broken car" and didn't return to Oregon for 7
years. Did more "mobile mechanicing" than I care to remember. 2002
started Lunkercars Vintage Auto Sales LLC in Albuquerque - A micro
auto dealership specializing in British cars with the occasional
German, Italian and American muscle-car thrown in for good measure.
First Triumph was around 1989 - a sorry little Spit that came to me
with a 2"x4" wedged in place of a long gone motor mount. Current
inventory includes the purple '63 TR4 racer, a '65 TR4 with a
undetermined future, '61 Herald convert and a '70 Spit that I own but
have never laid eyes on. Other Triumph ownership includes  Spitfires,
TR3's, 4's, 6's, TR250, TR8 and perhaps others I have forgotten. Oh
yeah!... almost forgot about the 14 disassembled Triumphs that Connie
and I harvested out of the 9,000 mountains of northern New Mexico,
but that's another story.
This all seems a bit boring and a bit egotistical to me but it is
what was asked for. I will follow-up with details about the car which
to me [and hopefully to all] is much more interesting.
Thanks to you Kas for the honor of meeting you in person [not to
mention the books my car was built by], you Chuck for the great
competition [and congratulations on the cup... want to go to the kart
track again?]  and to Mike Bruner for the borrowed starter - bump
starting on the grid is never stylish - I'll have a new one on it's
way to you as soon as I get your mailing address.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer

o?<
On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:35 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Mark.  We had a great weekend with nine Triumphs attending.
> It was an honor to receive the Cup this year.
>
> We missed our brethren from the Midwest and east...hopefully next
> time.
>
> Thanks to Kas and Peggy for making the trip and pouring the
> champagne.  It wouldn't be a Kastner Cup event without them.
>
> Kudos to to Greg Hilyer from New Mexico!  He campaigned a very fast
> TR4 and also shellacked us on the go cart track.  We also nominated
> and seconded him in person for FOT membership with Mark Bradakis
> present (an official, unofficial ceremony), so Mark, please add him
> to the list.  His email is lunkercars at earthlink.net.  Greg, when
> you get some time, please tell us more about yourself.
>
> All in all, a great time at a fantastic facility with great
> friends.  I'm sure there will be pictures to follow.
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J. Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: FOT at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:32 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
>
> Some random FOT driver in the grid:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg
>
> Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's
> a close
> up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
> some, uh, debris coming off course:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg
>
>
> Congratulations Chuck.
>
> mjb.
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From tsheach at pba.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 00:57:52 2007
From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <E1I6her-00086N-GV@esau.t-mobile.co.uk>

Hi Dan

I run a u shaped brace around the front of the prop, and [sometimes had a
steel band round the top of the bellhousing] ... Best job is to 8 or 12 bolt
the flywheel. I've lost a 4 bolt & dowel at 6500 rpm.

Using a sleeved stag input shaft [stag a type od box] also helps keep it all
in there when it breaks loose as its thicker .... The flywheel just walked its
way along and stayed inside the case when I lost it. Minimal damage resulted.

Regards

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Cofrog at aol.com
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: 04/07/07 17:41
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jul  6 08:04:44 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:04:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
	<642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <468E4BFC.1030308@pobox.com>

Greg,
Glad to see you are finally on the list.  Once he got his ignition 
problems sorted out, Greg turned some very fast laps at Hallett this 
spring.  Too bad he wasn't at Hallett a year earlier.
Larry

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:

>Hello to Chuck and all,
>What a blast at Miller!
>As I said to you, Kas,et al., It is the resume part that has kept me
>from applying for FoT membership. To Larry Young in particular...
>thanks for your nomination earlier this year at Hallett - sorry I
>didn't respond but the bio/resume part but me off a bit and I wasn't
>quite sure how to go from there. Thanks again Larry for lending me a
>ballast resistor - after smoking two Pertronics now, I [now] only run
>points! Also thanks to Mark and Chuck for the official nomination and
>second. On to the boring stuff about myself:


From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 10:14:35 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:14:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group.  He was, and will be
again, a racer with a TR6!  I answered some mail he sent to 6-pack and he
seems like just thr right kinda guy.  MAybe one of you California guys can
give him the official physical?

On 6/30/07, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi Chuck,
>
>
>
> In the 1960s, I had a TR3A and did some old airport straw bail racing.  I
> have always been a huge fan of any curvy track racing from Formula One to
> SCCA Club Racing to cones in a parking lot.  I have recently acquired a
> 1974 TR6 (the same year as my street driver that I do occasionally
> autocross) that was set up years ago for SCCA Production Class racing.  From
> reading the rule book, I see that there are a few changes I need to make and
> a few changes that will help if I do make.  Right now I need to make some
> decisions like tires, shocks, maybe carbs, etc.  It would be great to be
> connected to the racing board for some good current information.  I belong
> to an active group of autocrossers here in Sacramento, CA so I can race on
> the pylons this season.
>
>
>
> I did locate and order one of Kastner's books.  Thanks for all of the
> great information.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM
> *To:* jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> *Subject:* re racing tr6
>
>
>
> There is a group called Friends of Triumph [FOT] which is comprised of TR
> racers, some of whom race TR6s [I have a TR5, but the drive train is out of
> a TR6 I used for fast track days.  This is an "By invitation only" email
> list group.  If you are going to race, you need to be on it.  I could
> nominate you if you send me your racing plans and experience.
>
> Other than that, there is a guy who is not in the group who placed 3rd in
> SCCA nations in 2005 with a TR6, and would have also been on the podium in
> 2006 but was booted off the track in the last lap by a too agressive acura
> [which is why I hate SCCA bumpoer cars].
>
> If you do not have the 4 Kastner books you will want them -- almost
> anything you want/need to know about racing TRs.
>
> --
> Chuck Arnold
>



-- 
Chuck Arnold


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jul  6 10:29:59 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:29:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e657ff08f91c.468e6e07@optonline.net>

I second!  But pass on the physical!

Welcome Jim!

Todd Redmond
TR3A


----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Arnold 
Date: Friday, July 6, 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
To: jim hearn , Friends 

> I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group. He was, 
> and will be
> again, a racer with a TR6! I answered some mail he sent to 6-
> pack and he
> seems like just thr right kinda guy. MAybe one of you 
> California guys can
> give him the official physical?
> 
> On 6/30/07, jim hearn wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chuck,
> >
> >
> >
> > In the 1960s, I had a TR3A and did some old airport straw bail 
> racing. I
> > have always been a huge fan of any curvy track racing from 
> Formula One to
> > SCCA Club Racing to cones in a parking lot. I have recently 
> acquired a
> > 1974 TR6 (the same year as my street driver that I do occasionally
> > autocross) that was set up years ago for SCCA Production Class 
> racing. From
> > reading the rule book, I see that there are a few changes I 
> need to make and
> > a few changes that will help if I do make. Right now I need 
> to make some
> > decisions like tires, shocks, maybe carbs, etc. It would be 
> great to be
> > connected to the racing board for some good current 
> information. I belong
> > to an active group of autocrossers here in Sacramento, CA so I 
> can race on
> > the pylons this season.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did locate and order one of Kastner's books. Thanks for all 
> of the
> > great information.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM
> > *To:* jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> > *Subject:* re racing tr6
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a group called Friends of Triumph [FOT] which is 
> comprised of TR
> > racers, some of whom race TR6s [I have a TR5, but the drive 
> train is out of
> > a TR6 I used for fast track days. This is an "By invitation 
> only" email
> > list group. If you are going to race, you need to be on it. 
> I could
> > nominate you if you send me your racing plans and experience.
> >
> > Other than that, there is a guy who is not in the group who 
> placed 3rd in
> > SCCA nations in 2005 with a TR6, and would have also been on 
> the podium in
> > 2006 but was booted off the track in the last lap by a too 
> agressive acura
> > [which is why I hate SCCA bumpoer cars].
> >
> > If you do not have the 4 Kastner books you will want them -- almost
> > anything you want/need to know about racing TRs.
> >
> > --
> > Chuck Arnold
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
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> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From riverside at cedar-rapids.net  Fri Jul  6 11:14:58 2007
From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] transmission
Message-ID: <001b01c7bff1$2f35d870$315d9e04@your55e5f9e3d2>

I need a TR6 O'drive trans.  Will consider anything from
rebuildable core to turnkey.  Going behind a nearly stock
motor.

art de armond


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 13:59:25 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:59:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29211C5896C791FE61ADB78C010@phx.gbl>

Second on Jim's nomination!  We need more TR6 racers to stave off the herd 
of 4-bangers.

Shane Ingate in MD

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Arnold
Date: Friday, July 6, 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
To: jim hearn , Friends

>I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group. He was, and will be
>again, a racer with a TR6! I answered some mail he sent to 6-
>pack and he
>seems like just thr right kinda guy. MAybe one of you California guys can
>give him the official physical?

_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jul  6 14:35:05 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:35:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Flow My Head Dude
Message-ID: <BAY102-W3013B296BF80C652AF17490010@phx.gbl>

Hello,   Anyone on the list recommend a business to port the head for my 1622
cc BMC (don't want to use  the MG word)engine?
Is any one on the list interested in doing it?  Joe? Jack?

Cheers, Henry Morrison,

TR3
Elva Courier


From joeg at neb.rr.com  Fri Jul  6 16:53:05 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Crank Scrapers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13746.1183704585.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13746.1183704585.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7c020$6a485440$1a463043@Guinan>

First time I've seen these available.  I know someone on the FoT list was
asking about them at one point.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125697624&ssPageN
ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010


Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE 68025


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  6 20:25:27 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:25:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the compliment Mike. Connie and I got a good laugh  
wondering if you would accept an answer of "Slick 50 and S.U.  
carbs" ... probably not. So...  here's the story of the "Plum Pie" :
Maybe best to start with the name - The car # is not actually 314,  
but 3.14 - roughly pi. The funnest color Krylon I could buy by the  
case is Rich Plum. Result being the "Plum Pie".
April 2004, my friend Tom Britt, let me use his Spit racer for SWMS  
[Southwest Motorsport] driving school, knowing full well that he had  
a new fish on for the club.
I had a '63 TR4 that I had bought 3 weeks earlier, sitting down the  
driveway by the gate. I also had the remains of the 14 Triumphs  
hauled out of the mountains. Even I could figure the rest out.
I found the poor old TR in a very roundabout way, sitting in a field  
in northern New Mexico. The tags had expired in 1987. The original  
owner had given it to his daughter who drove it for a month and then  
parked it for reasons I never quite figured out. When I found it,  
various mechanical parts had been "liberated" [generator, fuel pump.  
hoses, clamps, plug wires etc,.]  but it was obviously a pretty much  
intact, original car.  One tire held air and there was evidence of  
every color poly tarp you can imagine. Bought it for $750 and later  
received a $50 refund because they couldn't find the title!
The day after my run in Tom's car, I towed it up to the house,  
installed a batt., got a siphon to the carbs from a gas can and  
sparked it [after a couple of weeks of Marvel in each hole]. Damn  
thing started and idled [ thanks to the "liberators" of N.M. for  
stealing every ounce of fuel out of it!].
6 weeks later it was ready for it's first outing... I, on the other  
hand, was not. After working on it 'till 3am the day of the race, I  
went for a couple hours sleep - 4hrs later was too late for the  
drivers meeting and I was in no condition to drive... blew that  
one!!... Anyway... I made the next race. The car had 68,000 odd miles  
on it, steel wheels, street radials and the motor that had survived  
in that field for so many years. I ran that motor for a year and a  
half while upgrading the rest of he car. October of '05 it won it's  
first race [SWMS All British] on that same motor.
Winter of '05/'06 I went to work on the new motor.
Specs:
Crank - Stock cast. Magnafluxed, stress relieved, shot peened,  
independently balanced.
Rods - Stock cast. Maged, stress relieved, lightened [approx. 110  
grams each] and balanced +/- .5 grams and shot peened
ARP head studs
ARE rod bolts
Pistons/ liners/wrist pins - 87mm Mahle [cast pistons]
Cam - Isky 666 - 486" lift,  286 duration [as I recall]
Lightened cam followers
Custom pushrods [-.115"]
Stock rocker arms, shaft and spring spacers.
All new grade 8 fasteners thru-out.
Compression ratio - 10.6 to 1
Cyl. Head - Used [shaved] head I bought would have been approx. 11.5  
to 1 but I liked the porting, so I enlarged the chamber for the  
compression I wanted. Stock valve springs with alloy retainers.
Port-matched everything.
Flywheel - Stock cast minus about a 11lb. shave. Independently balanced.
Clutch - Stock Borg & Beck. Independently balanced.
Ignition - Points.  I've given up with Pertronix after having two  
failures. I have a new Crane Fireball that I've been carrying around  
with my spares - it runs so strong with the points I might just stick  
with them.
Intake - Stock SU's with [original] early TR4 manifold. Haven't  
touched the original needles or jets. Used to run cheapo velocity  
stacks from Moss but having had a couple break-off at the flange from  
vibration fatigue, I have forsaken them and never noticed any  
difference. Only run filters during the worst New Mexico dust storms.
Exhaust - Unknown header that came with a TR3. 2 1/4" pipe in the  
original location thru to the back. It has a Supertrapp tip on the  
end but I've found that regardless of how big a baffle stack I use,  
it really prefers to be open [at the tracks that still allow such].
Lubrication - stock oil pump and pan with an Accusump.
Cooling - Radiator is out of a Kia, Hyundai or some such - don't  
remember. But it fits nicely into the space provided and is located  
with the original support bars bent to fit. Fully ducted. The only  
problem I had with this installation is that the rad inlet is so  
small that the water wanted to go thru the water-pump bypass rather  
than thru the radiator. Plugging the bypass cured all problems. Even  
with the temps we had in Utah, I never even switched on the electric  
fan and it never got over 85 deg. C - yes it still has the original  
gauge reading centigrade. 6 row oil cooler sits behind the screened- 
over left headlight opening [a speaker grill from a 6" SONY is a  
perfect fit if installed from the inside].
Stock motor mounts. Trans mount is a stock piece with extra thru- 
bolts to make it semi-rigid.
Fuel pump is the square NAPA "clicker" type. Been carrying a nice  
rotary pump in my spares but have never seen the need for it.

Seems to make power to about 6200 rpm [at 5500'], goes flat by 6500  
but will gladly do 6900+ if I want to forsake power to skip a shift.
Built it  totally around Kas's Comp Prep Manual. Only problem is that  
it was printed in 1965. No mention of forged internals or DCOE's ...  
I'll be sure to get a more recent version soon. Oh yah, I just got  
the new book - better read it I guess!

Chassis:
Poly or bronze bushings thru-out. A arm geometry is stock - meaning  
no camber adjustment - measures about 1/2 deg neg. Toe-in is about 1/4".
The road springs are what the car left the factory with - perhaps the  
years in the field did something to "season" them. Maybe it was the  
heat cycles from      -10 winter to +110 summer. I don't know but  
haven't yet gotten to the point of wanting to upgrade. To drop the  
front of the car I simply removed the spacers from the top of the  
coils and re-installed them. For the rear I got a bit more creative.  
Took the bottom leaf out of each side, installed 3 extra spacer  
blocks [per side] between the axle housing and springs and clamped  
them back together with longer U-bolts. When the time came to drop it  
some more I considered longer shackles but didn't like the idea of  
additional side loading that would result. Instead, I took the leaf  
springs to my local spring shop and had them de-arched 1 1/2".
  The rear tube shock conversion is the only thing that may not be  
strictly "vintage legal" in some clubs. Like everything else on the  
car, it is somewhat crude but effective. The brackets bolt to the  
original shock location and run up inside the fenderwell. The shocks  
are located at the bottom to the original mounting plates that have  
been swapped from left to right. Rear shocks are KYB GR2, fronts are  
Koni Classics.
The rear radius arms made the biggest single "seat of the pants"  
improvement I've made and is something I think is often overlooked.  
The transformation was amazing in keeping the rear end planted. The  
difference is hard to imagine unless you've tried them. Everything  
needed came off the shelf of my local speed shop. The bars are 3/4" x  
14" swedged tube with heim joints at both ends. At the front they are  
mounted to brackets welded to the body mounting outrigger that comes  
off the frame toward the back of the doors. The rear heim simply uses  
the same [oversized] bolt used for the shock bottom mount.
No rear sway bar. The front bar is 11/16" that came from another TR4  
but judging by the welded splice in the middle, I have a hunch it  
started life somewhere else.
Rear end has the stock 3.7:1 gears and an open differential. Axles,  
hubs and bearing housings have been magnafluxed and get the treatment  
every year along with the front hubs and stub axles.
The braking system uses stock hydraulics [original calipers with  
fresh O-rings, original wheel cylinders with a light hone and fresh  
kits, original single circuit master], Teflon/braided hoses, Brembo  
rotors and 240Z drums. The rear lining is some type of Kevlar  
composite from TSI and I like them a lot. Can't remember the  
manufacturer of the pads, [CGI?] but they also came from Ted. I am  
still undecided on how well I like them - For the sake of the Miller  
race I removed my questionably legal drilled & slotted rotors and  
Hawk pads, installed the Brembos and the TSI pads and bedded them in  
on Sheep Lane in front of the track. They seemed to get better  
throughout the weekend but I'll have to get back on my home track to  
really know how well I like them. Regarding the single circuit master  
cylinder - an upgrade is on the front burner. Anyone who has been  
behind me knows my lack of faith, proven by the "courtesy pump" I  
habitually give the brake pedal before standing on them - I've had  
plenty of comments about my brake lights coming on in unexpected  
places - No it is not a tactic to confuse my competitors... just self  
preservation.
As of last year I had the car in a state where I stopped making  
changes to it and concentrated on driving it. During the R&D phase,  
every time I made a major change it was like driving a different car  
every time out - very hard to get in a consistent "groove". In the  
last 5 races here at home [Sandia Motor Sports Park] the Plum Pie and  
I have taken 5 consecutive overall vintage wins against all comers -  
911's, 914's 2002's, 240Z's, 510's and even the occasional Lotus or  
TVR. I am quite proud of that little car!
It should also be mentioned that everything done has been with an eye  
toward allowing the car to be brought back to stock if anyone so  
desired - I still have every piece of road equipment that the car  
came with and the only thing cut was a small flap in the trunk floor  
for the fuel line out of the cell. The only thing welded to the car  
are the mounting brackets for the radius arms.
So now maybe you all understand my hesitation to be a FoT... It's a  
matter of "Don't get me started". Perhaps my real nick-name should be  
Long-winded Lunker.
All the best to my new FoT friends,
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
P.S. I just did the unthinkable - got out the file and added up the  
receipts. $10,148.25 is the total including the purchase price of the  
car and 2 sets of Panasports [1 new, 1 used]. If I add 10% for the  
stuff I may have forgotten and pay myself the princely sum of $0.50  
hr. I figure I'm still in it something under $12K.




.
On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Michael Bruner wrote:

> Don't let these Girls and Guys confuse you.  We're a fun group as  
> long as you tell us your secrets to building a TR4 that can keep up  
> with a Chuck Gee Spitfire.
>
>
>
> "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars at earthlink.net> wrote:
> That would be great as I am fairly confused already.
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
>
> On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:
>
> > Oh, no no no. He would be the un-official greeter. And he could
> > convey
> > the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the
> > non-organization of the club.
> >
> > Ernest Husmann wrote:
> >> Would that make Steve the official greeter? Cause the FOT doesn't
> >> have any official types.
> >>
> >> */Susan Kahler /* wrote:
> >>
> >> I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more
> >> often! ;)
> >>
> >> Susan :)
> >>
> >> Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> >>> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
> >> memorize
> >>> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
> >> then let you
> >>> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
> >> Oh, dang, you
> >>> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
> >> can give
> >>> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
> >> market appeal.
> >>> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
> >> just us and
> >>> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
> >> Welcome to the
> >>> FOT!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul  7 08:23:58 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:23:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6/Vitesse NYLATRON ROCKER ARM SPACERS
Message-ID: <bdd.16717c21.33c0fbfe@cs.com>

List:

A few 6 cylinder folks expressed an interest if I made some of these spacers.

I now have a few of these sets available.  It is SEVEN piece set instead of 
FIVE.

(The flat spring on the ends is now eliminated so all 12 rocker arm rotate 
without spring pressure)

> Lighter weight than steel
> Closer tolerances than steel
> Lower cost than steel.
> Grey "marble" looks like metal
> Unconditionally guaranteed.


$26/set to FoT including postage.
With an address I will ship Monday


> A.R.E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>
> N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal



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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul  7 08:29:02 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:29:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hubs and voltmeter wanted
Message-ID: <002601c7c0a3$2cb79720$d783b304@Bud>

Hello..A fellow in the Burlington New Jersey area is looking for rear hubs, a
voltmeter, and maybe more stuff for a street TR6  if anyone can help please
contact James Aaron at tentoad at msn.com
Thanks Gang
Racer Bud in Sonoma Ca.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul  7 10:23:19 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:23:19 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Crank Scrapers
Message-ID: <d2c.106803a4.33c117f7@cs.com>

Uncle Jack is producing CRANK SCRAPERS for TR3 and TR4 Carillo rods and more 
scrapers are under development for stock rods, for Triumphs. 

With any encouragement, from the list, I think this project could be advanced 
and available by this winter.

Joe (A)


> First time I've seen these available.  I know someone on the FoT list was
> asking about them at one point.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125697624&ssPageN
> ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010
> 
> 
> Joe Guinan
> Fremont, NE 68025
> 

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From Scypher at USA.com  Sat Jul  7 13:09:46 2007
From: Scypher at USA.com (Scypher at USA.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers
Message-ID: <FF90C994-D838-44AF-9A3B-557C9311BA2F@usa.com>

I was one...  I've been emailing him periodically on their status...   
His site has been noting they are in development for a while, and now  
he has made them up with a windage tray and teflon scrapers.  I have a  
full setup for my lightened crank being made up.  You can contact  
Kevin @ www.crank-scrapers.com if anyone wants more info or pictures....

Also, for those of you interested, I made it through SCCA drivers  
school back on june 10th....the 29th anniversary of my car's first  
entry into SCCA racing in 1978.

I'm working through a few motor issues, and should be out regional  
racing late July or early august....

Thanks
-S


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jul  8 09:46:41 2007
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!
Message-ID: <469106E1.5010403@blacksburg.net>

I'm pleased to announce that after almost 14 years of silence, my TR4 
engine has once again found its voice, and sweeeeeet it is!  At about 
2230 3 JUL (we have very forgiving neighbors) it barked to life (tubular 
headers, no muffler yet) on the first crank.  A *huge* "thanks" goes to 
Dale Osterndorf, my buddy and owner of a show-winning TR6, for helping 
out and keeping me sane as the preparations neared completion.  The 
first run only lasted about 5 minutes due to a lean condition - the 
headers glowed red.  On 4 JUL we covered about 30% of the Weber throats 
to richen the mixture and ran in the Isky 777 cam for 15 minutes.  I 
kept a room fan blowing on the headers the whole time just to be sure.

Engine prep: re-profiled, ported and CCd the head (all chambers +/- 0.2 
cc), 10:1 CR, port-matched the tubular header, 5 angle valve job, all 
seats hardened and blended into ports.  Unshrouded the intake valves and 
cut matching "eyebrows" in the sleeves (as an aside, I cut the head 
3/16" from the intake valve lip, which caused head gasket sealing 
problems); Jack Drews' custom head gasket saved the day.  Intake ports 
enlarged to match Canon manifolds.  Weber 40 DCOE carbs with custom 
throttle linkage.  Rods lightened, balanced dead nuts, magged and shot 
peened.  ARP rod and head bolts.  All pistons balanced dead nuts.  All 
rotating components balanced as an assembly (had it not been for the 
"racket" and heat, you wouldn't have known the engine was running - it 
was rock solid steady!), Aluminum flywheel with 6 ARP bolts.  Lip-type 
rear seal.  Alternator, extensive use of extra fuses, Crane XR3000 
ignition with Pertronix PS60 coil, Magnecor wires, NGK plugs. 
Clearanced the oil pump (had 50 PSI using a drill to pre-oil the engine, 
100 PSI cold, 70 hot).  Competition push rods, lightened and balanced 
tappets.  0.062 shims under the rocker pedestals to maintain geometry, 
radiused rocker arms.  Justin Wagner silcone valve cover gasket.

I'm sure there's more stuff, but this list is long enough.  This car 
will be about as close to my old DP car as I can get and still be street 
legal / driveable.  The rest of the drive train and the suspenders have 
been heavily modified as well, but that's for another email.

Yahoo!
-- 
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg  VA
64 TR4 in autox preparation
95% finished, 90% to go


From jibjib at att.net  Sun Jul  8 13:44:57 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>
References: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <028301c7c198$778a98b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

FOT,

Was there some concern over shotpeening the stock rods, due to the material?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Lunker Hilyer
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] FoT Newbie

Rods - Stock cast. Maged, stress relieved, lightened [approx. 110 grams
each] and balanced +/- .5 grams and shot peened 


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sun Jul  8 14:21:57 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
Message-ID: <002801c7c19d$a20521a0$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt holes,
what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul  8 19:55:23 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
Message-ID: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici 
   
  I have collected a gaggle of steering racks in search of a good one for my TR4, still not one that works.
  I must have enough good parts to make a useable rack - Is there a steering rack guru somewhere in the country that can put one together?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis DeLap


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Jul  8 21:59:07 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:59:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
Message-ID: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
the differantial with conventional tools ?
Jim Gray
Aurora, Co.


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul  9 00:12:25 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:12:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
In-Reply-To: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4691D1C9.7020009@bradakis.com>

What behavior are you expecting from a rack that works, and what
is it that the ones you have are doing, or not doing, that make you
claim they don't work?  Steering racks are fairly simple, is the issue just
wear on the pinion?

mjb.


From a.r.gibson at bigpond.com  Mon Jul  9 03:00:53 2007
From: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com (Andrew Gibson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:00:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <20070709090103.DHYV23230.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>

Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.

 

Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,

 

Andrew Gibson

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  9 04:32:56 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:32:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case 
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove 
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff 
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and 
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long 
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities 
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move 
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it 
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 05:47:09 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:47:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!
References: <469106E1.5010403@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c7c21e$e272f2e0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

JC are you happy with or not???
Hmm
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "FoT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "TR List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!


> I'm pleased to announce that after almost 14 years of silence, my TR4 
> engine has once again found its voice, and sweeeeeet it is!  At about 
> 2230 3 JUL (we have very forgiving neighbors) it barked to life (tubular 
> headers, no muffler yet) on the first crank.  A *huge* "thanks" goes to 
> Dale Osterndorf, my buddy and owner of a show-winning TR6, for helping 
> out and keeping me sane as the preparations neared completion.  The 
> first run only lasted about 5 minutes due to a lean condition - the 
> headers glowed red.  On 4 JUL we covered about 30% of the Weber throats 
> to richen the mixture and ran in the Isky 777 cam for 15 minutes.  I 
> kept a room fan blowing on the headers the whole time just to be sure.
> 
> Engine prep: re-profiled, ported and CCd the head (all chambers +/- 0.2 
> cc), 10:1 CR, port-matched the tubular header, 5 angle valve job, all 
> seats hardened and blended into ports.  Unshrouded the intake valves and 
> cut matching "eyebrows" in the sleeves (as an aside, I cut the head 
> 3/16" from the intake valve lip, which caused head gasket sealing 
> problems); Jack Drews' custom head gasket saved the day.  Intake ports 
> enlarged to match Canon manifolds.  Weber 40 DCOE carbs with custom 
> throttle linkage.  Rods lightened, balanced dead nuts, magged and shot 
> peened.  ARP rod and head bolts.  All pistons balanced dead nuts.  All 
> rotating components balanced as an assembly (had it not been for the 
> "racket" and heat, you wouldn't have known the engine was running - it 
> was rock solid steady!), Aluminum flywheel with 6 ARP bolts.  Lip-type 
> rear seal.  Alternator, extensive use of extra fuses, Crane XR3000 
> ignition with Pertronix PS60 coil, Magnecor wires, NGK plugs. 
> Clearanced the oil pump (had 50 PSI using a drill to pre-oil the engine, 
> 100 PSI cold, 70 hot).  Competition push rods, lightened and balanced 
> tappets.  0.062 shims under the rocker pedestals to maintain geometry, 
> radiused rocker arms.  Justin Wagner silcone valve cover gasket.
> 
> I'm sure there's more stuff, but this list is long enough.  This car 
> will be about as close to my old DP car as I can get and still be street 
> legal / driveable.  The rest of the drive train and the suspenders have 
> been heavily modified as well, but that's for another email.
> 
> Yahoo!
> -- 
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg  VA
> 64 TR4 in autox preparation
> 95% finished, 90% to go
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  9 08:28:55 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] brake rotors
Message-ID: <200707091429.l69ET51h421965@ns3.geneseo.net>

Unsolicited testimonial --

Five years ago I needed to replace my brake rotors. I bought rotors 
through Diversified Cryogenics in Minneapolis, Brembos cryogenically treated.

http://www.diversifiedcryogenics.com/

After four years of really hard brake use, they look like brand new - 
flat, no grooves, never had to touch them.

No financial interest -- just passing along info.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jul  9 12:39:49 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:39:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
In-Reply-To: <20070709090103.DHYV23230.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707091437570.10898-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

Just curious.

rml
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Mon Jul  9 12:57:26 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:57:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <479599626.1184007446714.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>

Ok, I'm new to TRs so tell me if this just isn't done with them. On all my racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the rear so both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an alternative to a Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons on this to share with a TR newbie?
Dave (I'm in learning mode) Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro Chassis ARE-003

---- "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

=============
Hi,

This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

Just curious.

rml
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Mon Jul  9 15:45:59 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
References: <479599626.1184007446714.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <022501c7c272$8b8c8190$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>

Dave, I have run a welded dif on my TR3 for 14 years (and my Devin TR3).
Works great, fun to drive, just a little hard pushing around in the paddock or
garage.

Jeff Snook
www.snooksdreamcars.com
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  From: d.hesse at charter.net
  To: Robert M. Lang ; Andrew Gibson
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] limited slip diff


  Ok, I'm new to TRs so tell me if this just isn't done with them. On all my
racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the rear so
both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an alternative to a
Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons on this to
share with a TR newbie?
  Dave (I'm in learning mode) Hesse
  Portage WI
  Ambro Chassis ARE-003

  ---- "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

  =============
  Hi,

  This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
  looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

  I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

  Just curious.

  rml
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:15:11 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:15:11 GMT
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <20070709.221511.10715.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I bought a TranX diff (plate type) from Cambridge earlier this year.  A bit
pricey, but so far it has been working great.  Joe(B)

-- "Andrew Gibson" <a.r.gibson at bigpond.com> wrote:
Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.



Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,



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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:23:48 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:23:48 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
Message-ID: <20070709.222348.10715.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I took a few apart, shortened one and put it back together  Nothing unusual
inside.  It has been in the car for a few years, working great   I think the
only adjustment is a pre-load to take up any play.  Bearings are replacable
too  Joe(B)

-- Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Amici

  I have collected a gaggle of steering racks in search of a good one for my
TR4, still not one that works.
  I must have enough good parts to make a useable rack - Is there a steering
rack guru somewhere in the country that can put one together?

  Thanks
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:30:39 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:30:39 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
Message-ID: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

Yes, remove the stock fiber spacer.  I have the weber soft mounts isolating my
SU's too, but am not using a heat shield, so I can't help you there.   I
installed longer studs to make this work.  I think I had to elongate the holes
on the O-ring plates.  It is ok that the plate only catches 2 studs, since
they are diagonally opposite  You are not tightining the nuts down tight, so
that isssue is a non-issue  Use nyloc nuts to keep them from vibrating loose.
Joe(B)

-- "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:
Hello:

I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt
holes,
what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.

Gary
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1969 TR6
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul  9 22:10:23 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:10:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
In-Reply-To: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
References: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20070710041110.666BB187A6B@autox.team.net>

Mount the heat shield inboard of the soft mount - so you've got 
intake manifold, gasket, heat shield, soft mount, carburetor.

- Tony

At 09:30 PM 7/9/2007, Joe Boruch wrote:
>Yes, remove the stock fiber spacer.  I have the weber soft mounts isolating my
>SU's too, but am not using a heat shield, so I can't help you there.   I
>installed longer studs to make this work.  I think I had to elongate the holes
>on the O-ring plates.  It is ok that the plate only catches 2 studs, since
>they are diagonally opposite  You are not tightining the nuts down tight, so
>that isssue is a non-issue  Use nyloc nuts to keep them from vibrating loose.
>Joe(B)
>
>-- "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
>rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
>carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
>hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt
>holes,
>what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
>Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
>the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.
>
>Gary
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>1969 TR6
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 04:56:35 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:56:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <c7d.11528c06.33c4bfe3@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 2:49:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
d.hesse at charter.net writes:

On all  my racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the 
rear so  both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an 
alternative to a  Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons 
on this to  share with a TR newbie?



... more affectionally known as the "Lincoln Locker".
Yes they work fine, the car will understeer & it's hard to push around  in 
the paddock.
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 08:17:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <001501c7c2fd$11d6c230$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, running
a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 09:40:53 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr-3 pics
References: <BAY102-F32B464CEE62DFB6042EEB8D2050@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c7c308$b4587840$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Dave:

 I will forward your question to the collective wisdom of our triumph
laureates.

Esteemed TRnuts  can anyone assist Dave?  See below.

M. Dunst

----- Original Message -----
From: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
To: <gasket.works at gte.net>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: tr-3 pics


> I am trying to build a scale model of the #27 1959 tr-3 and I have some
> questions,
> -what color was the interior?
> -what color were the wires?
> -did the car have a standard windscreen or a racing one?
> I have looked in the Triumph books that I have and all over the internet
and
> I can not seem to find anything consistent. Any help you could give me
would
> be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is:
> dllord at hotmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> http://newlivehotmail.com


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue Jul 10 09:07:36 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:07:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
Message-ID: <200707101507.l6AF7ljS189495@ns3.geneseo.net>

I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

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From koblinger at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 09:26:55 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] tr-3 pics
Message-ID: <31967591.810541184081216747.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>

More info would be helpful. What race in which year? Factory car, private entry, drivers?

Cheers,
Kurt O.


>From: MDunst/Gasket Works <gasket.works at verizon.net>
>Date: 2007/07/10 Tue AM 10:40:53 CDT
>To: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] tr-3 pics

>Dave:
>
> I will forward your question to the collective wisdom of our triumph
>laureates.
>
>Esteemed TRnuts  can anyone assist Dave?  See below.
>
>M. Dunst
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
>To: <gasket.works at gte.net>
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:31 PM
>Subject: tr-3 pics
>
>
>> I am trying to build a scale model of the #27 1959 tr-3 and I have some
>> questions,
>> -what color was the interior?
>> -what color were the wires?
>> -did the car have a standard windscreen or a racing one?
>> I have looked in the Triumph books that I have and all over the internet
>and
>> I can not seem to find anything consistent. Any help you could give me
>would
>> be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is:
>> dllord at hotmail.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jul 10 10:16:33 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:16:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c2fd$11d6c230$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>

My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company called
Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop. 
My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
elevation. 
Good luck
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] plug wires

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
walt at hot-tr6.com
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:01:56 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <BAY115-F23887761E26C206E7B68B68C050@phx.gbl>

Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil 
lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some 
additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.

Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC

>I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, 
>running
>a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
>vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

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From d.hesse at charter.net  Tue Jul 10 13:33:32 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flow My Head Dude
Message-ID: <674613522.1184096012726.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

Henry,
Have you tried Mike Miller at Comptune 864-638-6316 or Hap Waldrop at Acme Speedshop Shop 864-370-3000 (acmespeedshop.com). Hap does good work and support a number of racers in both SCCA and in vintage.
Dave Hesse
Portage, WI
Ambro ARE-003

---- dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:

=============
Hello, Anyone on the list recommend a business to port the head for my 1622
cc BMC (don't want to use the MG word)engine?
Is any one on the list interested in doing it? Joe? Jack?

Cheers, Henry Morrison,

TR3
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:45:11 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:45:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096680@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Ugh. I've found no evidence that those things work.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of James Gray
Sent: Sun 7/8/2007 8:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
the differantial with conventional tools ?
Jim Gray
Aurora, Co.
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jul 10 14:44:57 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:44:57 GMT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <20070710.164457.19371.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Magnecor will custom make wires for you.  Just tell them what you want, with
what boots, lengths, etc.  I have gotten a couple sets for my TR3 that way.
Joe(B)

-- "S. Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil
lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some
additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.

Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC

>I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
>running
>a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
>vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:46:18 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
References: <20070709.221511.10715.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096681@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Ditto--I beat the living bejeezus out of my TranX without a whimper. Works
great, the diff stays reasonably cool, and it's been together for two years.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Joe Boruch
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 7:15 PM
To: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] limited slip diff

I bought a TranX diff (plate type) from Cambridge earlier this year.  A bit
pricey, but so far it has been working great.  Joe(B)

-- "Andrew Gibson" <a.r.gibson at bigpond.com> wrote:
Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.



Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,



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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:48:36 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:48:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
	<200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096682@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Best way I've found is to put the thing in a press with the axles parallel to
the press and push gently down on the banjo. this springs the case lengthwise
and you can pull the carrier right out. Nice for shimming too--just release
tension to check, retension to change a shim.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 3:32 AM
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:52:37 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:52:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096683@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company called
Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
elevation.
Good luck
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] plug wires

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
walt at hot-tr6.com
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:54:24 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox><200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096682@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096684@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I meant perpendicular to the press--parallel to the floor.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 1:48 PM
To: Jack W. Drews; James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Best way I've found is to put the thing in a press with the axles parallel to
the press and push gently down on the banjo. this springs the case lengthwise
and you can pull the carrier right out. Nice for shimming too--just release
tension to check, retension to change a shim.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 3:32 AM
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 10 14:58:40 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096683@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Bill Babcock wrote:

> BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??

Yep.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 15:04:14 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096683@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
	<011a01c7c335$d0163db0$4d13c548@RWKastner>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096686@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't with
me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 10 15:17:19 2007
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
Message-ID: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a circle-track-type coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout arrangement. The former owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because Tilton no longer makes them for TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd love to know too. But assuming it's true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jul 10 15:40:50 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096686@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <20070710214139.82C10187A70@autox.team.net>

The threaded part of the NGK BP6ES plug is 3/4". From the bottom of the
compression ring to the tip of the plus is 15/16"
Walt 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Kas Kastner; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't
with me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more
to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653.
I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 16:58:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:58:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
In-Reply-To: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Jack,

Try Dave Bean, http://www.davebean.com/.

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
To: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tilton clutch



Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a circle-track-type 
coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout arrangement. The former 
owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because Tilton no longer makes them for 
TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd love to know too. But assuming it's 
true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some 
pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably 
sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

uncle jack 



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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 17:00:06 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:00:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 45 DCOEs
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All,

I'm looking for a pair of 45 DCOEs.? Anyone have some laying around?

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue Jul 10 19:23:27 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:23:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <cc2.130ad1f0.33c58b0f@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil 
> lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some 
> additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.
> 
> Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
> 
> >I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, 
> >running
> >a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
> >vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

Whilst it is true that there are many good quality plug wires out there, I 
too am using Magnceor, # M-65221 for several years now to good effect.

On my Vitesse, (1998cc) Mk.2 engine, (same as GT6+), I am also using NGK 
stock # 6637:BPR6EIX Iridium Plugs - from Rockauto.com
(now gapped to 40 thou')

With Mallory Dual Point distribitor :YL type, model 23, part # MAA-2367801, 
(vented, non-flame arrested).         

fitted with Pertronix ML-161, and a MSD # 8202 Coil, (mounted on the front 
bulkhead).

and a MSD Digital 6 Ignition pack - with rev limiter.

Regards

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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Jul 10 19:39:07 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:39:07 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F9C9@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <002201c7c35c$47577530$2a11efdc@co3017577a>

Henry
You are correct it was a early finger type clutch . I have not heard of a
diaphram clutch exploding but we have had a number of flywheels come off the
2.5 motors but not come through the bell housing.

Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Geoffrey Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> Geoff,
>
> Do you know what kind of clutch it was that exploded?
>
> Any chance it was it a stock finger-type TR2-4? I have heard of a couple
> of those that have let go.
>
> Anybody ever hear of a TR4A-6 diaphragm spring type clutch letting go?
>
> PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
> steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
> the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoffrey Byrne
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields
> >
> > One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the
> > straight at Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and
> > dumped the fragments in the passenger footwell . No shield
> > just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky guy. Our regs in
> > Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics Geoff Byrne


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 19:37:18 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:37:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:

Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC


Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds  
for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid conditions!  
Steve



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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue Jul 10 19:43:25 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
References: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
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At 09:37 PM 7/10/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
>
>
>Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds
>for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid 
>conditions!

I've lived in Denver and the DC area - I'd much rather have 105 degrees
in Denver than 95 degrees in DC.  Actually, come to think of it, I'd much
rather be in Denver than DC in any kind of weather...


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 20:15:50 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:15:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire headers part 2
Message-ID: <001601c7c361$67943a40$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

First off, thanks to all who offered suggestions and advice regarding my
previous question on Spitfire headers.  For a variety of reasons, I am going
with a custom built header.  Next week, the header flange will be cut.  If
anyone else is interested in a header flange for a 1300 Spitfire, please
contact me directly by Friday.  At this point, I have no idea of the cost
but I will be able to get a good idea once I see how many I'll be having
made.

Also, thanks for the tip on the Spitfire crank scraper.  I ordered one,
along with a windage tray this morning.  The timing was perfect considering
where I stand in the new motor build.

Jim Norlin


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Jul 10 21:10:21 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:10:21 +1000
Subject: [Fot] AUS 2007 All Triumph Race
Message-ID: <01b601c7c369$059df990$2a11efdc@co3017577a>

AMICI
The 2007 Down under annual All Triumph was run and won in late June at the
same venue as last year . Two hours drive south of Sydney is Goulburn's
Wakefield Park Raceway which was again the venue for the annual All British
Race meeting which included two all Triumph races on the program .
Interstate entries of Triumphs  had come from Queensland , Victoria and South
Australia
Ninteen Triumphs entered,  dominated by 6 Dollomites including one very quick
turbo charged Dolly ; 3 TR8 ; 3 TR7; 2 TR6 ; 2 SEDANS ; 2 GT6 and the first
appearance of the Factory all aluminium body racing Spitfire which was
campaigned by Brian Sampson for the factory in the AMI Racing Team .
As soon as the cars commenced practice it was obvious that the TR8s and the
turbo Dolly would dominated the front of the field
This year the race was sponsored by Sports Car Spares and the Pitstop Bookshop
with over a $1200 in prize money and vouchers  up for grabs .
Pole setter Gary Angel in the 4.4L TR8 convertible took the lead from the
first corner and was not headed to achieve a comfortable win from the 4.6L TR8
of Jeff Wards second from the turbo Dolly of Mark Morsillo third. One GT6 did
not start. 18 Triumphs stared and all finished . A video is being produced of
the race and plans are already in place for next years race with more entries

Geoff Byrne
TR6 Down Under


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue Jul 10 21:04:58 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:04:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV7D11AF7189F3EBE6E5FE3B7040@phx.gbl>

Oh come on... come to Denver! It was 60 deg. this morning. (but it's a dry
coolness ; -)   So dry in fact I had to swap out the o-rings in the ole' 1.5
Strom's!
Leakin like Georgie's  deficit they were...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gt6steve at aol.com<mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com>
  To: hottr6 at hotmail.com<mailto:hottr6 at hotmail.com> ;
S.Janzen at comcast.net<mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net>
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
  hottr6 at hotmail.com<mailto:hottr6 at hotmail.com> writes:

  Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC


  Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds
  for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid
conditions!
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 06:55:07 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
References: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096687@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I've got some spare bits for the Tilton clutch at home--Peyote had one
originally but I replaced it with the Quartermaster rally two plate. You can
have the bits, but the old Tilton clutch is pretty brutal. The QM setup is
progressive, responsive, and good for about 500 HP I'd guess.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Gary Schneider
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:17 PM
To: Jack W. Drews; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tilton clutch

Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a
circle-track-type coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout
arrangement. The former owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because
Tilton no longer makes them for TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd
love to know too. But assuming it's true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm
afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some
pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably
sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 -
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars.
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know
about the TR application?

uncle jack



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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 06:58:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:58:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710214122.8C22728506@mxfilter.bnj.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Yeah, I know, I was just surprised to hear that TR6's take 3/4 reach since
TR3/4 is 1/2" (BP6HC if you can find them). Geezer bike mechanics like me have
the full line of NGK plug specs memorized.


-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Hollowell [mailto:walt at hot-tr6.com]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:40 PM
To: Bill Babcock; 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] plug wires

The threaded part of the NGK BP6ES plug is 3/4". From the bottom of the
compression ring to the tip of the plus is 15/16"
Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Kas Kastner; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't
with me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more
to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653.
I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed Jul 11 08:08:11 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers
Message-ID: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>

Is there enough interest in the racing community for me to take a run 
at Eaton and try to convince them to make a short run of new Detroit 
Lockers for the TR3-4-6 cars?

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 08:26:16 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:26:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO Body and Triumph Frame Available for new build.
Message-ID: <c32.142c9382.33c64288@cs.com>

Lists:

AMBRO body (unbuilt & unmolested) available and first time offering.  Would 
be possible AMBRO 'continuation of build'.        #ARE-004     and approved for 
vintage racing with most sanctioning bodies.

Body less than list price and includes TR3 chassis with rack & pinion 
conversion. Some body support work done.  $3900

Located in Oklahoma

I have digital pictures that I can send when I return from travel.

I will be at PVGP    TRF   VTR  in the next few days, if someone wants to 
discuss.

Contact me at 319.464.4711 to discuss and or meet.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Wed Jul 11 08:34:09 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of R. John Lye
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:43 PM
To: Gt6steve at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; S.Janzen at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


At 09:37 PM 7/10/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
>hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
>
>
>Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart 
>bleeds for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  
>horrid conditions!

I've lived in Denver and the DC area - I'd much rather have 105 degrees in
Denver than 95 degrees in DC.  Actually, come to think of it, I'd much
rather be in Denver than DC in any kind of weather...


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


Hi John!  If any of you would just stop off on the third coast in Houston,
it would condition you to either place, maybe any place.  I would give you
some one-up-man-ship stories, like a real Texan, but suffice it to say the
summers here have matching temps and humidity numbers on a regular basis. I
used to think that 100% humidity meant you were under water, then I learned
that it just makes you wish you were.

Don Carter
don at carterdesignassociates.com
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jul 11 10:16:02 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>

I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 10:16:08 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>

Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Jul 11 10:52:10 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <002a01c7c3db$d2cb6e30$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Dave:

I don't know of any TRs that will be at the Historics, however, some might 
be at the Pre-Historics which is held the prior weekend at Laguna Seca. 
Acceptance letters have gone out already so the complete entry list will be 
posted on the Historics website soon 
http://montereyhistoric.com/participants/list.html. Its a great show which 
you'll enjoy.  Just be sure to get to the track early to avoid the traffic. 
Hope you've already made hotel reservations!

Gary

 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


>I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey 
>Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
>the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
>share of CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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>
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jul 11 11:08:06 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <380-2200773111786624@M2W011.mail2web.com>

Yes, they are!  French Creek in particular--I was worried about it
yesterday and called.

Susan     :)


Original Message:
-----------------
From:  N197TR4 at cs.com
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:08 EDT
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?


Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jul 11 11:12:44 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
In-Reply-To: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707111311570.14661-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Is PA open for business now?

Yes.
 
> Passed the budget?

Yes, it was in the news last evening.

> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.
> 
> Joe & Jan


rml

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From john at race-dogs.com  Wed Jul 11 12:20:50 2007
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <000301c7c3e8$35dfb1f0$800101df@jawsxp>

I will the fortunate one driving a  1952 Allard K2- #891
This is my Fathers car that has turned the driving duties over to me-
Looking forward to my first Monterrey Historic event as a Driver -

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP3

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


>I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey 
>Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
>the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
>share of CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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>
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From budscars at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 12:28:09 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (CHARLES DELAUER)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
In-Reply-To: <000301c7c3e8$35dfb1f0$800101df@jawsxp>
Message-ID: <BAY5-F72263B351A72F0E3C4FE4C6040@phx.gbl>

I will be there as crew for Bruce John..driving a red BMC Huffaker Form. jr.
Racer Bud..spitfire #21  CSRG


>From: "John W" <john at race-dogs.com>
>Reply-To: John W <john at race-dogs.com>
>To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:50 -0700
>
>I will the fortunate one driving a  1952 Allard K2- #891
>This is my Fathers car that has turned the driving duties over to me-
>Looking forward to my first Monterrey Historic event as a Driver -
>
>John W.
>Spitfire #892 DP
>240z CP3
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
>To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>
>
> >I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
> >Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
> >the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
> >share of CA wines!
> > Who's cars should I be looking for?
> > Dave Hesse
> > Portage WI
> > Ambro build #ARE-003
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> >
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 12:34:43 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
References: <20070710214122.8C22728506@mxfilter.bnj.com>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <8C9920148C57D26-10FC-856A@WEBMAIL-DC01.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock <BillB at bnj.com>

Yeah, I know, I was just surprised to hear that TR6's take 3/4 reach 
since
TR3/4 is 1/2" (BP6HC if you can find them). Geezer bike mechanics like 
me have
the full line of NGK plug specs memorized.

==AM==
Let's see now... the 948cc Herald engine took 3/4" reach plugs. The 
almost identical 1147cc Herald/Spitfire engine took 1/2" reach plugs. 
The 1296cc Herald/Spitfire and the 1493 Spitfire engines took 3/4" 
reach plugs. Confusing to say the least!


--Andy  Mace

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Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
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Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database at its new URL: <http://triumph-herald.us>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 12:55:14 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609668F@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Painful to say, I'll be elsewhere, but look for Greg Solow for sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of d.hesse at charter.net
Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?

I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch the
races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair share of
CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
billb at bnj.com
Fot mailing list
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 12:56:04 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:56:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
References: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096690@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

the park at Lake Arthur is reopened, I assume the rest of the state is too.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?

Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jul 11 20:01:35 2007
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:01:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers
In-Reply-To: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <46958B7F.4000807@blacksburg.net>

Jack W. Drews wrote:
> Is there enough interest in the racing community for me to take a run 
> at Eaton and try to convince them to make a short run of new Detroit 
> Lockers for the TR3-4-6 cars?
> 
> uncle jack 

Jack, if they can make one for < $1K, count me in.

Jim

-- 
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg  VA
64 TR4 in autox preparation
95% finished, 90% to go


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 20:33:32 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:33:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <380-22007741223332985@M2W004.mail2web.com>

how are you getting there//?

Original Message:
-----------------
From:  d.hesse at charter.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Wed Jul 11 20:35:42 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609668F@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <004701c7c42d$584ca960$6401a8c0@TER2>

I wish that I were going to be there, but my entry was not accepted.
                                                                             
    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <d.hesse at charter.net>; "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


> Painful to say, I'll be elsewhere, but look for Greg Solow for sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of d.hesse at charter.net
> Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
> To: fot
> Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>
> I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
> Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
> the
> races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
> share of
> CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
> billb at bnj.com
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> Fot at autox.team.net
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jul 11 22:08:49 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <894363384.1184213329224.JavaMail.root@fepweb07>

We're flying out on Thursday and back on Monday. Long weekend. Actually it was
my wife and my buddies wife that jumped at the opportunity when I brought it
up. So the four of us are coming out for the weekend. We already have 3 people
willing to bail us out if we get into trouble? We've got the Rodney
Dangerfield outfit for the Pebble Beach Concours.
Schedule thus far: Friday Laguna Seca for Historics, Saturday ?, and Sunday
Pebble Beach. And of course drink/taste test lots of CA wine. I need to see if
they have one that can top the Riesling from Glenora Winery in NY.
We're staying at a B&B in Santa Cruz. So we'll get our fair share of driving
in to get places.
Dave Hesse
Ambro build ARE-003

---- "n197tr4 at cs.com" <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

=============
how are you getting there//?

Original Message:
-----------------
From: d.hesse at charter.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 07:14:57 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:14:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
Message-ID: <8C9929DC7716932-51C-AA84@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com>

Some info for those of you who offered to help.? Tech inspection is scheduled for 2-4pm Wednesday in the Sheraton parking lot (though it will likely run a little longer), and from 8-10am Thursday.

Preliminary course setup starts around 5:30pm Wednesday.? Final course setup will start by 7am Thursday.? First car off 9:30 am.

Four heats. 30 cars per heat.? First two heats are for "Stock" class cars.? Everyone else runs third or fourth heat.

The course is within walking distance of the hotel.? I will get there about 3:30 pm Tuesday.? 

See ya soon...

Rich Rock

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu Jul 12 08:59:13 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:59:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers - nada
Message-ID: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>

No hope for a short run of Detroit Lockers. The type LS ceased 
production 20 years ago, and in the interim a chief engineer 
responsible for records threw away all the drawings (so the present 
people say). plus Eaton is interested only in high volume product.

Sorry about that, gang.

uncle jack 



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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jul 12 09:10:41 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts
Message-ID: <46964471.6080903@bright.net>

List members. We are packing for VTR.  Several of you have contacted us 
about bringing shirts to VTR.  If anyone else wants their shirts taken 
to VTR, please let me know ASAP.  We still need to hear from several 
people on shirt shipping and payment. Thanks for your time.  Ted

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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 09:18:58 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers - nada
In-Reply-To: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707120818j5db6fd47m214673602ab74a60@mail.gmail.com>

I would participate in a mass buy of the Tran-X [Salisbury] diff.  I think
Ken Gillanders sells them??  But they come form England.

On 7/12/07, Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net> wrote:
>
> No hope for a short run of Detroit Lockers. The type LS ceased
> production 20 years ago, and in the interim a chief engineer
> responsible for records threw away all the drawings (so the present
> people say). plus Eaton is interested only in high volume product.
>
> Sorry about that, gang.
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jul 12 06:08:58 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:08:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
In-Reply-To: <200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
	<200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070712120344.M98288@rockstar.seiri.com>

And don't let the end caps get swapped...

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:32:56 -0500, Jack W. Drews wrote
> Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case 
> spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove 
> the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff 
> carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and 
> bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long 
> screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities 
> of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move 
> it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift 
> it the rest of the way out.
> 
> At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
> >I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
> >IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
> >the differantial with conventional tools ?
> >Jim Gray
> >Aurora, Co.
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 12 20:32:47 2007
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (s.janzen at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <071320070232.2900.4696E44F000D3FB600000B542200735834020A96020E06D29C@comcast.net>

yep - budget got worked out over the weekend.  The slot machines were only closed for one day.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> Is PA open for business now?
> 
> Passed the budget?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.
> 
> Joe & Jan
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 13:04:39 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:04:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Building a 150 hp engine
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707131204m3956cfc0jdb0d3c7fce1cf1e0@mail.gmail.com>

Do not think Kas got 240+ HP with carbs like he did with PI [14:1
compression, rebuild about every 4 hours of use?].

150 with 9.5:1 might be a reach.  No one has mentioned the other variable on
breathing -- and that is exhaust.  The exhaust system is what sucks the
gases out of the cylinder, not just the push of the piston [exhaust is up to
80% or more as I remember from the Vizzard article I read].  You do need to
port the head and you probably need to go to a good tubular header and
single 2.5" exhaust pipe system to optimize the power of the carbs and
cam.   I am having astreet car engine built now -- it will have the Webers,
header, ported head, and a Kent D9 cam -- which is pretty aggressive but
still idles ok for me -- it has been in the car before.

This car will be for sale when I get it back together.  It will contain the
above rebuilt engine, an Electromotive crank fired ignition system, a Herman
Van Den Akker Toyota 5 speed, a Good PArts conversion to the Nissan 300Z
diff, racing seats, roll bar, fuel cell, and 16" Panasport wheels [plus the
original seats, an unistalled luggage rack and conveyable top frame, and a
set of steel rims with AVS intermediate tires].  Would be interested if
anyone is interested in this car, and if so, what they would be willing to
pay.  I will setup a website with pictures when ready and offer the car to
the Triumphs, 6Pack and FOT lists before going the eBay route.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 15:20:25 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Message-ID: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>

What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?  I have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size but doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500


From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 16:01:19 2007
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:01:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Message-ID: <8740663.1184364079332.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi I am looking for a factory wiring diagram for a Nov of 71 Spit.  Any one have one they can email  I have the Haynes one   jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thanks   Joe


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jul 13 16:02:34 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:02:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74611E9C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I'm running 205/60-13s on both the Spitfire racer and my autox/street
GT6.  No flares on either, though it helps to roll up the inner fender
lips.  Both run on the 5-inch minilight pretender wheels.

I'm assuming this is for a Spitfire...

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 4:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Importance: Low

What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?
I have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size
but doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 16:08:58 2007
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:08:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] 72 Spitfire wiring diagram
Message-ID: <26595987.1184364538808.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I am looking for a factory wiring diagram anyone have one they can email me. thanks  joe


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 16:27:08 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:27:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Building a 150 hp engine
Message-ID: <071320072227.24290.4697FC3C000C7E2600005EE22207020653970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> 

> Do not think Kas got 240+ HP with carbs like he did with PI [14:1 
> compression, rebuild about every 4 hours of use?]. 
I thought I remembered him telling us he got 258 hp on Strombergs, when he was speaking at a VTR Convention a few years ago (Portland, OR).
Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 16:30:11 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:30:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7c59d$61614350$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

5 1/2 inch x 13 Panasports with 0 offset Formula Ford rims.  Tires are a bit
small at 175/60-13.  However even with the inner fender rims rolled up, I
still kiss the outer corner of the tire on the front fender when I drop the
ride height down to where I want it.

Jim Norlin


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires


What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?  I
have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size but
doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 13 19:47:38 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:47:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
References: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>

Is this a squaretail or early roundtail car?  Squaretail cars have
more room to start with.

mjb.


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 20:05:43 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>
References: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
	<46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <f4c2dcd6576a9.4697f737@insightbb.com>

Roundtail

aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Date: Friday, July 13, 2007 21:47
Subject: Re: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
To: fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net

> Is this a squaretail or early roundtail car?  Squaretail 
> cars have
> more room to start with.
> 
> mjb.


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Fri Jul 13 22:55:48 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:55:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

Leon

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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 00:27:47 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] cranks
Message-ID: <007401c7c5e0$18e426e0$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Crankshafts have been UPS'd or ground Fedexe'd on June 12.

They are going to make another run as they have two additional orders -so if
interested let me know.
M. Dunst
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
626.358.1616 Voice
626.628.3777 Fax
GMT -8  Pacific


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Fri Jul 13 23:18:27 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:18:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV124B03B5FE8A58934FBA98B7FE0@phx.gbl>

seemed ok yesterday   kev
  ----- Original Message -----
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  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander


  Hi,

  Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

  He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

  Leon

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 06:15:18 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:15:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <071420071215.24930.4698BE5600032942000061622200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net>

Joe Alexander is on the road. I spoke to him the other evening from Ohio. He is at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix at Schenley Park this weekend, and is working his way towards VTR.

I'm sure at some point soon he will check his email.

Irv

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "KEVIN LYNCH" <klynch_6 at msn.com> 

> seemed ok yesterday kev 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com 
> To: fot at autox.team.net 
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM 
> Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander 
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Does anyone know if Joe is OK? 
> 
> He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him. 
> 
> Leon 
> 
> > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho 
> ts.com/user/vitesse1963> 3Ehttp://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963%3C/A>> 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 08:01:17 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:01:17 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <d68.b938e2e.33ca312d@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/13/2007 11:56:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes:


> Does anyone know if Joe is OK?
> 

Joe Alexander?  Geezzz...that's a tough question.  Ask Jan.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 11:17:52 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:17:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <071420071717.17354.4699054000038556000043CA2207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: BillDentin at aol.com 

> Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan. 
I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
;-)
Irv


From Scypher at USA.com  Sat Jul 14 12:09:53 2007
From: Scypher at USA.com (Scypher at USA.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <E44B0AB1-9219-4441-9F95-55AA98CECC8E@usa.com>

I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided  
at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under  
stage of their life.

How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need  
to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an  
already prepped crank to the next size.

Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from  
the factory?

Thanks
-Scott


From scypher at usa.com  Sat Jul 14 12:29:18 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0707141116l2f3c2ecw974bf16b0f824bff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E44B0AB1-9219-4441-9F95-55AA98CECC8E@usa.com>
	<8cbd782d0707141116l2f3c2ecw974bf16b0f824bff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <093213AD-AB3D-4661-A340-BA7C3044B473@usa.com>

This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and  
nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie  
surface hardness)

Thanks
-S


On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010  
> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt  
> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least . 
> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they  
> were at when nitrad
>
> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under
> stage of their life.
>
> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an
> already prepped crank to the next size.
>
> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> the factory?
>
> Thanks
> -Scott
> _______________________________________________
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> -- 
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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul 14 15:54:58 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE RACE CAR WANTED
Message-ID: <007901c7c661$a1499570$e98cb304@Bud>

Hi Folks...If anyone knows of a vintage racing Spitfire...GT6..or Tr4 that
would likely be CSRG acceptable(basicaly period correct for 1967 SCCA
production car specs), please contact Jim Barger at jcbarger at sbcglobal.net
Thanks
Racer Bud  Spitfire #21  Sonoma, Ca.


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 18:27:30 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c7c676$ee711f20$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

I saw Joe and Jan at British Car Day at the PVGP today. Seemed O.K. to me. 
He was vertical and taking nourishment.

Ed Woods 


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Sat Jul 14 19:58:27 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:58:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 3-rail spitfire shifter help needed
Message-ID: <f3daa57a52103.46994703@insightbb.com>

Amici...

I'm tired of breaking spherical bushings on my 3 rail gearbox.

Anyone out there have something or know of something a little better?

I just bought a new one and it cracked while I was sliding it on!

aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat Jul 14 23:43:33 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <ce4.157b869d.33cb0e05@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com 
> 
> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan. 
> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
> ;-)
> Irv
> 
It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.

It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for 
another, would we?

L 

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Jul 15 10:09:22 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:09:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive transmission
Message-ID: <000001c7c6fa$8211d980$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I'm looking for an OD trans for my TR4, has anyone got a spare they
would be willing to part with ?
Thanks,
Jim Gray


From mattspit at att.net  Sun Jul 15 15:15:33 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:15:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or scratching it. 
All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re-nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other part of the crank it is probably fine.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and  
> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie  
> surface hardness)
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010  
> > under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt  
> > engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least . 
> > 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they  
> > were at when nitrad
> >
> > On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> > I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> > at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under
> > stage of their life.
> >
> > How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> > to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an
> > already prepped crank to the next size.
> >
> > Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> > the factory?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > triosan at gmail.com
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Chuck Arnold
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From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Tue Jul 10 17:36:02 2007
From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:36:02 +1000
Subject: [Fot] RE limited slip diffs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14911.1184081534.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c7c34b$13fefcf0$0301010a@purplebox>

We are currently doing an engineering viability exercise on remaking the
Salisbury plate type LSD for TR3-6, Stag etc. At this stage there is no
impediment and all the machine work and parts have been identified. they
would be around Aus$1800. This may be too expensive for you guys in the
USA, but it's competitive with alternatives bought here from UK. If
anyone is interested, let me know.
Terry O'Beirne 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 16 05:37:19 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:37:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <380-2200771161137193@M2W040.mail2web.com>

Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
wireless.

Joe A



Original Message:
-----------------
From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>
> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
> ;-)
> Irv
>
It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.

It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
another, would we?

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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul 16 05:46:42 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <380-2200771161137193@M2W040.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c7c79e$fb0f90d0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
If so where
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
> wireless.
>
> Joe A
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>
>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>>
> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>
> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
> another, would we?
>
> L
>
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From scypher at usa.com  Mon Jul 16 05:48:36 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
In-Reply-To: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>
References: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>
Message-ID: <263E6A77-B635-4709-9DC8-A63C8C122EB2@usa.com>

I will give this a try tonite.

Can you explain salt bath nitriding ?  I've only heard of plasma/ion  
and furnace nitriding.

Do you do this yourself, or do you have someone do this process?

Thanks
-S


On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, mattspit at att.net wrote:

> Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or  
> scratching it.
> All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is  
> not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
> If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area  
> other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
> Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place  
> where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re- 
> nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other  
> part of the crank it is probably fine.
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>>
>> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and
>> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie
>> surface hardness)
>>
>> Thanks
>> -S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010
>>> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt
>>> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least .
>>> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they
>>> were at when nitrad
>>>
>>> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
>>> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
>>> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040  
>>> under
>>> stage of their life.
>>>
>>> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
>>> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning  
>>> down an
>>> already prepped crank to the next size.
>>>
>>> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
>>> the factory?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Scott
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 16 05:59:53 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>

I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any get
together.

Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
If so where
Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
> wireless.
>
> Joe A
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>
>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>>
> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>
> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
> another, would we?
>
> L
>
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>
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul 16 06:15:05 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:15:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

OK Joe
It looks like I will get there on Wednesday
John will be there on Tuesday. His computer is down so I can pass anything 
information on Monday only.
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <wensley_tr at comcast.net>; <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


>I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any get
> together.
>
> Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
> like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
> If so where
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
>> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
>> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
>> wireless.
>>
>> Joe A
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
>> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>>
>>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>>
>>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>>> ;-)
>>> Irv
>>>
>> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>>
>> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
>> another, would we?
>>
>> L
>>
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>>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 16 09:27:22 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:27:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
	<BAY124-DAV124B03B5FE8A58934FBA98B7FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096697@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Joe is traveling--I saw him Saturday at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Fri 7/13/2007 10:18 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander

seemed ok yesterday   kev
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  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander


  Hi,

  Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

  He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

  Leon

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Jul 16 10:34:48 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>

 Hello all,  just a thank you to Ted & Marty etc. as the shirt looks great.

Kev Lynch


From billsohl at optonline.net  Mon Jul 16 10:58:06 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR FOT Convention attendees
In-Reply-To: <005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>
References: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>
	<005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>
Message-ID: <5D36DDE002EB4878B1A1C4C038995C7D@SohlPC>

I will be down there on Thursday and Friday.

Plan is to have my Unrestored original Signal Red 61 TR-3A on the concour 
field in a "do not judge" capacity for others to view.
We also plan to attend the various Thursday evening festivities.

Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig" <wensley_Tr at comcast.net>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> OK Joe
> It looks like I will get there on Wednesday
> John will be there on Tuesday. His computer is down so I can pass anything
> information on Monday only.
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <wensley_tr at comcast.net>; <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
>>I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any 
>>get
>> together.
>>
>> Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
>> like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>> Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
>> If so where
>> Craig
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>> To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
>>> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now 
>>> have
>>> wireless.
>>>
>>> Joe A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
>>> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>>>
>>>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>>>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>>>> ;-)
>>>> Irv
>>>>
>>> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>>>
>>> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
>>> another, would we?
>>>
>>> L
>>>
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>>>
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul 16 11:08:56 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumphest Posters & Raffle Tickets
Message-ID: <20070716171132.IPKM1393.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

DCTRA (Desert Center - Triumph Register of America) will be hosting 
Triumphest this year and one of our members has designed up a parody 
event poster that commemorates the obvious theme (007) due to the 
year 2007, that the event is being held at a Casino and that Bond 
drove a Stag in the Film.

The response to the parody posters has been so well received that we 
have decided to make them available directly along with being able to 
purchase Raffle Tickets for the Car lift that will be awarded at Triumphest.

Here is a link to the order form on the TFest website.

http://www.triumphest.com/?page_id=39

-----------------------------
For those receiving this email that are not familiar with Triumphest 
it is an event started in the late 80's that is hosted on a revolving 
annual basis by the West Coast (California and Arizona) Triumph Auto Clubs.


From roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Mon Jul 16 16:04:08 2007
From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:04:08 +1000
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1350.1184605105.12556.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>

The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the hottank
absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a depth of
around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it done that
way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the workshop, and
it is definitely NOT nitrided
terry


From scypher at usa.com  Mon Jul 16 17:29:38 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
In-Reply-To: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>
References: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>
Message-ID: <40689F58-9C7D-402D-9582-42F0073FE414@usa.com>

I'm not familiar with the various vendors who perform nitriding.  Can  
y'all give me a few recommended ones?

Thanks
-S


On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:04 PM, "Terry and Cindy"  
<roadandtrack at bigpond.com> wrote:

> The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the  
> hottank
> absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
> cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a  
> depth of
> around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
> nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it  
> done that
> way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the  
> workshop, and
> it is definitely NOT nitrided
> terry
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Jul 16 19:00:54 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Book problems
Message-ID: <019b01c7c80d$ede757c0$4d13c548@RWKastner>

It has come to my attention some of the 3rd edition of the Competition
Preparation Manual (first book) has an error in the text on page 61 and page
204. (text is transposed from one area to the other) Nothing I could control
as it was an error at the print shop.

I have a corrected copy fix available by E-mail for any that have found this
error in their book. The corrected page is a simply print it and paste into
the book over the original page.

This applies only to the 3rd printing of the book. Check the first page of
your book for the print edition. For the corrected pages,  just send me an
E-mail and I'll E-mail the corrected pages. Sorry for the difficulty and
inconvience.

Kas Kastner


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul 16 19:47:29 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070717014834.5ABE11879C7@autox.team.net>

I'll second that!  They are nicely done.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 AM 7/16/2007, KEVIN LYNCH wrote:
>  Hello all,  just a thank you to Ted & Marty etc. as the shirt looks great.
>
>Kev Lynch


From mattspit at att.net  Mon Jul 16 23:26:24 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
Message-ID: <071720070526.16700.469C530000024BAB0000413C21602807419B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

I am in Houston, Tx.
I use Houston Unlimited, Chappell Hill TX.
They do salt bath nitriding by the customer lot. I think it was $125 for up to 125 lbs last time I went so i do several cranks and other parts at one time.
We tested depth at some time in the dark ages, i seem to think it is 0.025 to 0.030 depth with the hardness falling off as you regring the crank to deeper layers.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> I'm not familiar with the various vendors who perform nitriding.  Can  
> y'all give me a few recommended ones?
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:04 PM, "Terry and Cindy"  
> <roadandtrack at bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the  
> > hottank
> > absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
> > cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a  
> > depth of
> > around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
> > nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it  
> > done that
> > way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the  
> > workshop, and
> > it is definitely NOT nitrided
> > terry
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From mattspit at att.net  Mon Jul 16 23:32:52 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <071720070532.19713.469C548400015C2600004D0121602807419B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

look at htpp://houstonunlimitedinc.com
It explains it.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> I will give this a try tonite.
> 
> Can you explain salt bath nitriding ?  I've only heard of plasma/ion  
> and furnace nitriding.
> 
> Do you do this yourself, or do you have someone do this process?
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, mattspit at att.net wrote:
> 
> > Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or  
> > scratching it.
> > All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is  
> > not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
> > If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area  
> > other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
> > Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place  
> > where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re- 
> > nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other  
> > part of the crank it is probably fine.
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
> >>
> >> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and
> >> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie
> >> surface hardness)
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -S
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010
> >>> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt
> >>> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least .
> >>> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they
> >>> were at when nitrad
> >>>
> >>> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> >>> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> >>> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040  
> >>> under
> >>> stage of their life.
> >>>
> >>> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> >>> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning  
> >>> down an
> >>> already prepped crank to the next size.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> >>> the factory?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Scott
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- 
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From mattspit at att.net  Tue Jul 17 13:32:15 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] spit for sale
Message-ID: <071720071932.17218.469D193E000D2F6F0000434221602810609B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Sorry if this is poor form.

Several of you helped me figure out where to advertise my car for sale. Thanks.
I now have it posted several places such as marketplace.grassrootsmotorsports.com  item 730. The most complete information is on race-cars.com id #1184262564 Green Spitfire racing package.
I have had lots of lookers at the race-cars site but so far only requests that I sell parts or make some fiberglass body panels and maybe build an engine.
Please tell anyone you know. It is a complete racing package, everything you need except the wrenches.
I am moving from Houston to Sanford N.C. and hope to sell it before I move.

If someone could tell me what I would need to turn the car into vintage I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Matt Matthews


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jul 18 21:43:53 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:43:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
Message-ID: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>

This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

mjb.


From budscars at msn.com  Wed Jul 18 21:48:27 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c7c9b7$ac805c40$3d83b304@Bud>

Hi Pal....I don't know....But.....There are times in life when a question 
like yours sure as heck reminds us of how beautifuly basic our lives can be
Thanks friend
Racer Bud  Spitfire # 21 sonoma, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Odd request


> This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
> maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
> answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?
>
> mjb.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jul 18 21:59:02 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <016501c7c9b9$254637c0$4d13c548@RWKastner>

I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner


From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Wed Jul 18 22:55:46 2007
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>

Quoth "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>:

> Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

As always, the answer is "yes and no".

 From Wikipedia:

The end finally came on February 8, 1999, when word came down from
Stroh headquarters that the 149 year-old brewer was selling its labels
to the Pabst Brewing Company and Miller Brewing Company. John Stroh
III, now company president and chief executive, said of the decision
to sell: "Emotionally, it was an extremely difficult one to make,
knowing that it would impact our loyal employees, and recognizing that
it would mean the end of our family's centuries old brewing tradition
that had become, in essence, an important part of our identity.

After its disolution in 2000, some Stroh brands were discontinued,
while others were purchased by other breweries. The Pabst Brewing
Company acquired the most Stroh/Heilman brands. They currently produce
Colt 45 malt liquor, Lone Star, Schaefer, Schlitz, Schmidt's, Old
Milwaukee, Old Style, Stroh's, and St. Ides. The Miller Brewing
Company got Mickey's Malt Liquor and Henry Weinhard's. Most other
Stroh/Heileman brands disappeared after 2000

Jim Hill


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Thu Jul 19 07:17:02 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:17:02 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <20070719.091702.21216.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got it for
me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do recall
seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines, long
ago.  Joe(B)

-- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 10:35:13 2007
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:35:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <FCEGIHAKDJFAMCOPHGBEOEPADMAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Living here in the Great Flat Spot known as Detroit, also the
historic home of Stroh's, I haven't seen it lately. I will
admit that I haven't looked for it. To the best of my knowledge,
it is no longer brewed.

There still is Stroh's Ice Cream. They got into that business
in the 1920's, during prohibition.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Mark J. Bradakis
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:44 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Odd request


This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

mjb.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 19 10:44:42 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:44:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>

I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
but bear with me if you will.  Or just chuck this message into the bit
bucket if you prefer.

Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
Michigan to South Bend, Indiana.  The new house wasn't  quite
finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
for beer.

Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of  finishing
work on the new place.  One of the bigger things he took on
was digging the hole for the septic tank.  Being a somehat
able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
the task.  I remember one hot summer saturday when we
were slaving away, trying to get it finished.  Dad says it
is time for a break.  I collapse on the ground next to the
hole, he goes in the house.  Moments later he comes out
with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
me.  That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
had.

Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
was just thinking it would be nice to  sit back, relax, crack
open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

mjb.


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Jul 19 11:15:16 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:15:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
  <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV139233AED087CFAD61232BB7FB0@phx.gbl>

Mark, thanks for sharing, what a poignant moment in time.  Please accept my
sympathies to you & yours.

Kev Lynch
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark J. Bradakis<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>
  To: FOT at autox.team.net<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request


  I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
  but bear with me if you will.  Or just chuck this message into the bit
  bucket if you prefer.

  Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
  Michigan to South Bend, Indiana.  The new house wasn't  quite
  finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
  from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
  for beer.

  Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of  finishing
  work on the new place.  One of the bigger things he took on
  was digging the hole for the septic tank.  Being a somehat
  able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
  the task.  I remember one hot summer saturday when we
  were slaving away, trying to get it finished.  Dad says it
  is time for a break.  I collapse on the ground next to the
  hole, he goes in the house.  Moments later he comes out
  with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
  me.  That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
  had.

  Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
  was just thinking it would be nice to  sit back, relax, crack
  open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

  mjb.
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 11:31:50 2007
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <171818.38027.qm@web81014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark,
   
  Great father and son story.  Gee,  maybe I should make some time to sit down and share a cold one with my 16 year old son on my 50th birthday next week?   The beer of choice will be a Yuengling.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
  I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
but bear with me if you will. Or just chuck this message into the bit
bucket if you prefer.

Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
Michigan to South Bend, Indiana. The new house wasn't quite
finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
for beer.

Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of finishing
work on the new place. One of the bigger things he took on
was digging the hole for the septic tank. Being a somehat
able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
the task. I remember one hot summer saturday when we
were slaving away, trying to get it finished. Dad says it
is time for a break. I collapse on the ground next to the
hole, he goes in the house. Moments later he comes out
with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
me. That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
had.

Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
was just thinking it would be nice to sit back, relax, crack
open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

mjb.
sbracing at sbcglobal.net
Fot mailing list
Fot at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 12:47:11 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:47:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <c75.124aa9b2.33d10baf@aol.com>

Precision Plastics in England made a trunk lid for me.  40 Pounds to make it,
and 60 Pounds to ship it across the drink.

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:23:25 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <BAY115-F40CB2706ABD213366E8B828CFB0@phx.gbl>

Kas wrote:

>I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3.......

Ahhh, I get it now, a fibreglass bonnet!

Sorry, cannot help there.

Shane Ingate, often needing help in American-English translation, in 
Maryland

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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 19 18:20:30 2007
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
References: <20070719.091702.21216.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7ca63$ca30fe50$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>

Do they make fiberglas floorpans?

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <rwolff at cox.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass


> Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got it 
> for
> me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do 
> recall
> seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines, 
> long
> ago.  Joe(B)
>
> -- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
> anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
> Kas Kastner
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 19:10:03 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:10:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <d48.d18ecf4.33d1656b@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/07 5:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes:

<< Do they make fiberglas floorpans? >>

Probably not due to fires.
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 19:28:12 2007
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
Message-ID: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>

I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central Pennsylvania to 
Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company, or is 
anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 20:26:14 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
	<20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>
Message-ID: <005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I was weaned on Strohs too and drank many $2 pitchers of it in my Pittsburgh 
days.  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty.
One of my favorites disappeared last fall when Anheiser Busch bought Rolling 
Rock.  "Old 33" had a saying on the back of each bottle - "Rolling Rock, 
from the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe, we tender this premium beer for 
your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. It comes from the mountain 
springs to you".   I could almost write it from memory.  Unfortunately, it 
now comes from the waters of Newark, NJ - not quite the same thing as 
western PA spring water.  I bought my last case of the good stuff at the 
Weatherly PA hillclimb last Fall.  Not quite the memory shared by Mark, but 
I must say I have mnay good memories associated with beer!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
To: <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request


> Quoth "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>:
>
>> Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?
>
> As always, the answer is "yes and no".
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> The end finally came on February 8, 1999, when word came down from
> Stroh headquarters that the 149 year-old brewer was selling its labels
> to the Pabst Brewing Company and Miller Brewing Company. John Stroh
> III, now company president and chief executive, said of the decision
> to sell: "Emotionally, it was an extremely difficult one to make,
> knowing that it would impact our loyal employees, and recognizing that
> it would mean the end of our family's centuries old brewing tradition
> that had become, in essence, an important part of our identity.
>
> After its disolution in 2000, some Stroh brands were discontinued,
> while others were purchased by other breweries. The Pabst Brewing
> Company acquired the most Stroh/Heilman brands. They currently produce
> Colt 45 malt liquor, Lone Star, Schaefer, Schlitz, Schmidt's, Old
> Milwaukee, Old Style, Stroh's, and St. Ides. The Miller Brewing
> Company got Mickey's Malt Liquor and Henry Weinhard's. Most other
> Stroh/Heileman brands disappeared after 2000
>
> Jim Hill
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 20:40:34 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:40:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <ccf.1217900b.33d17aa2@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/2007 10:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

"Rolling  Rock, 
from the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe, we tender this premium  beer for 
your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. It comes from the  mountain 
springs to you".


==AM==
Ah yes, Rolling Rock...(at least around the Albany, NY, area) used to be  
available in those little tiny "half" cans. Good stuff!  

--Andy Mace

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From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Thu Jul 19 21:08:39 2007
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
	<20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>
	<005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070719220839.pv0mfpqy0o80kks4@secure.uwalumni.com>

Scott Janzen wrote:

>  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty.

I was in Denver some years back and drove out to Golden to tour the  
Coors plant. Stopped afterwards at a downtown bar (called the "Silver  
Bullet" as I recall) and ordered a Milwaukee-brewed beer just to see  
what the reaction would be.

There was none -- got my "foreign beer" without a peep. When I looked  
around to see what the locals were drinking, there wasn't a Coors in  
sight. The bartender later explained: Most of the folks here work at  
Coors and live in that smell all day long. None of them would touch  
that shit on their own time.

Jim Hill


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 19 22:49:46 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
In-Reply-To: <001001c7ca63$ca30fe50$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
Message-ID: <000001c7ca89$66254f80$2b24b348@blake1>

Try Karen Weaver at karen.weaver at btconnect.com.

That should be a contact at honey bourne mouldings in the UK.  Karen
sent me a quote for fiberglass fenders about 9 months ago.  I can't
vouch for their products because I decided against the fiberglass.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
BOB KRAMER
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:21 PM
To: Joe Boruch; kaskas at cox.net
Cc: rwolff at cox.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass

Do they make fiberglas floorpans?

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <rwolff at cox.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass


> Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got
it 
> for
> me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do 
> recall
> seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines,

> long
> ago.  Joe(B)
>
> -- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.
Can
> anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 05:52:59 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:52:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
Message-ID: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>

VTR had the autox yesterday and what a wonderful event. Unofficial results
(mine anyhow) show Richard Good taking FTD with his TR6. Rich Rock did a
FANTASTIC job putting this event on. He was working at it every single minute,
if you see him buy him a beer. Great group of cars and a perfect course
layout. As a side note Wednesday evening found a bunch of the FOT faithful at
a local go cart track. What a blast. Too bad I couldn't keep up with the
professional drivers at that event either. I think I would have had a chance
but my driving strategies were being protested by the road race contingent:).
Yellow, there ain't no stinking  yellow flags in autox?Marty Sukey
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jul 20 05:59:12 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:59:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <BAY102-W907FB221098A9C54E429D90F40@phx.gbl>

When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
Morrison, Albuquerque


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 09:58:54 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <20070719220839.pv0mfpqy0o80kks4@secure.uwalumni.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F26B540D8B6C590CDE917F2D2F40@phx.gbl>

How about Schmidts, Ballantine, and Valley Forge Beer & Ale?

When I was a kid, Ballantine was THE big sponsor of the Phillies...

Valley Forge was brewed in Norristown PA... my home town...

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...

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From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com  Fri Jul 20 10:14:18 2007
From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F26B540D8B6C590CDE917F2D2F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5C33EB5352EE814AB72F655EA92399A20EF7F8DE@exc2-na-chq.bfusa.com>

Summer job after HS graduation ......Schaefer Brewery in Brooklyn NY
loading trucks
I went to personnel office at warehouse to apply & was given an
application to fill out AND a 16oz.can of Schaefer ....This was at 8am
Employee lounge had a tap to while away the slow parts of the day

It was a very different time & place !!!!

Jack Coffey
coffeyjack at bfusa.com

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+coffeyjack=bfusa.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+coffeyjack=bfusa.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
greenman62 at hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:59 AM
To: spyderweb at uwalumni.com; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

How about Schmidts, Ballantine, and Valley Forge Beer & Ale?

When I was a kid, Ballantine was THE big sponsor of the Phillies...

Valley Forge was brewed in Norristown PA... my home town...

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory...

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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 10:42:53 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:42:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances & don't  forget
Message-ID: <d20.105f100c.33d2400d@aol.com>

"my beer... is Rheingold... the dry beer"***
 
a few of you remember their jingle
 
Glen
***(well it used to be back in the "days")
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jul 20 11:06:20 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:06:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>

When John Deere bought a factory in Mannheim, Germany, the workers had a beer 
break.  John Deere tried to eliminate this perk, but failed.

I got a can of beer from a vending machine while there.

Different culture....not good to mess those cultural conventions.

Oh yes, my first Stroh's was in Detroit in the 70s....condolences to you, 
Mark.

Joe A


> I went to personnel office at warehouse to apply & was given an
> application to fill out AND a 16oz.can of Schaefer ....This was at 8am
> Employee lounge had a tap to while away the slow parts of the day
> 

   </HTML>


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 11:13:45 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:13:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
In-Reply-To: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <27C8B4C4-EC3E-4A5B-9431-4011AB79957D@earthlink.net>

I've had good luck with Fisher Shipping Co out of Worcester M.A.  
866-428 5224. Ask for Ed and please tell him Greg from Albuquerque  
sent you his way. He does not run his own trucks but dispatches  
reputable auto transporters from around the country. Not always fast  
for a single car but gets the job done at reasonable prices.
Greg Hilyer
On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Lorne Fritz wrote:

> I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central  
> Pennsylvania to
> Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company,  
> or is
> anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz
>
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 20 11:13:33 2007
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>

Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark plugs
installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced 60 psi
 I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and shimmed the
spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing. From the
line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger seems to fit
and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter and replace
with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so it goes.
 Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler before it gets
to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could have missed
an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have around I can
not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its comming down to a
gross miss on bearing clearances
 I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing clearance with
confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing to do this.
I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor ( note to
self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks for the
help       rob


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 11:39:34 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] low psi
In-Reply-To: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
References: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
Message-ID: <0DEBBFD0-F4D5-40BE-8E89-6F5E0C644948@earthlink.net>

Don't panic yet... Try cranking it a bunch and then check the oil on  
the dip stick. If it has a frothy look, the oil may be getting  
aerated by the air in the empty oil cooler. I've seen oil cooler  
installations take quite a while to purge the air bubbles out.  
Easiest way to avoid/minimize this is to pre-fill the cooler and lines.
  Greg Hilyer
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, rob wrote:

> Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the  
> spark plugs
> installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced  
> 60 psi
>  I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and  
> shimmed the
> spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing.  
> From the
> line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger  
> seems to fit
> and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter  
> and replace
> with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so  
> it goes.
>  Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler  
> before it gets
> to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could  
> have missed
> an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have  
> around I can
> not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its  
> comming down to a
> gross miss on bearing clearances
>  I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing  
> clearance with
> confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing  
> to do this.
> I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor  
> ( note to
> self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks  
> for the
> help       rob
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 11:45:21 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:45:21 EDT
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <d19.e067340.33d24eb1@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/2007 1:14:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes:

On  turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark plugs
installed I  can only get 15-20 psi


I suggest you pull the distributor drive gear & spin the pump to prime  the 
system. See what you have before you try to diagnose.
Good luck
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 12:20:32 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:20:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <c47.1a36955c.33d256f0@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/07 10:14:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes:

. <>

I do not know about TR-6 engines, but someone left out the crankshaft
clean-out 1/8 Th. inch pipe plugs on one of my TR-3/4 crankshaft, once.  I didn
't
notice this, and got the same symptoms -- normal psi at the pump, and next to n
o
pressure in the oil galley.

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 12:30:17 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
Message-ID: <22709444.1184956217973.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

You probably don't want to spend 2,500 bucks.  But... if you do, Passport Transport (fedex) recently shipped my race car from WI to CA enclosed very quickly and efficiently without a scratch.  The TR3 is too narrow for many of the large open transporters.

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 20, 2007 10:13 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net, Lorne Fritz <lfritz82 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Transport
>
>I've had good luck with Fisher Shipping Co out of Worcester M.A.  
>866-428 5224. Ask for Ed and please tell him Greg from Albuquerque  
>sent you his way. He does not run his own trucks but dispatches  
>reputable auto transporters from around the country. Not always fast  
>for a single car but gets the job done at reasonable prices.
>Greg Hilyer
>On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Lorne Fritz wrote:
>
>> I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central  
>> Pennsylvania to
>> Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company,  
>> or is
>> anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz
>>
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 13:14:30 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <20150006.1315141184958870652.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the public parks  and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.

Cheers.
Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)

>From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

>When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
>bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
>me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
>Morrison, Albuquerque
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Fri Jul 20 13:29:55 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:29:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>

Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap by the case and always in bottles.
Now, I prefer good Rum.
Dave Hesse

---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:

=============
Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.

Cheers.
Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)

>From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

>When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
>bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
>me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>Morrison, Albuquerque
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:59:44 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:59:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>

Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it seemed
to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a some
zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots with
Iron City Beer.

There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
another beer.
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Jul 20 15:21:39 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] low psi
References: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
Message-ID: <002e01c7cb13$f84e80e0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Easiest way to have oil pressure in the engine -- install an Accusump.

Three quarts of oil under pressure. I open the Accusump and have 35-40 psi 
in the engine before I hit the key. Then the Accusump pressure builds to 
match the engine pressure (usually ~75-80 in my 1147 Spitfire).

Accusump is sold with advertising about how it maintains (some) pressure 
when the engine goes south, helping prevent blown engines -- but to me the 
best feature is that it pre-pressurizes the engine. When I put a new engine 
in, I usually pull and drain the Accusump, then refill and re-pressurize it 
so it is there to give me oil pressure in the new motor before I start it 
first time.

Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] low psi


> Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark 
> plugs
> installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced 60 psi
> I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and shimmed the
> spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing. From the
> line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger seems to 
> fit
> and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter and 
> replace
> with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so it 
> goes.
> Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler before it 
> gets
> to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could have 
> missed
> an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have around I 
> can
> not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its comming down 
> to a
> gross miss on bearing clearances
> I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing clearance 
> with
> confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing to do 
> this.
> I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor ( note to
> self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks for the
> help       rob
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From AA00727 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 15:43:37 2007
From: AA00727 at aol.com (AA00727 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:43:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
Message-ID: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>

I apologize for using the list for a non-Triumph question but I know  there 
is more knowledge available here than anywhere else I could turn to.
 I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers recommended oil  
weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 should have 20W-40  
according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number is more  
important, the first or the second. 
 I know from past discussions there are some lubrication experts on  the list 
and would greatly appreciate your advice.
 Thank you!
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Fri Jul 20 15:57:59 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
In-Reply-To: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
References: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1ad101c7cb19$09691110$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

>  I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers 
> recommended oil  
> weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 
> should have 20W-40  
> according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number 
> is more  
> important, the first or the second. 

I'm no expert, but IMHO getting the right additive package is more important
than the right 'weight'.  If 20W40 was originally recommended, then I
believe that either 10W40 or 20W50 would do fine.

That said, the second number is more important, because that's where the oil
will operate most of the time.  The first number, in effect, only comes into
play at cold start.

Randall 
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jul 20 16:23:57 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
Message-ID: <73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>

If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try  
Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:

> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap  
> by the case and always in bottles.
> Now, I prefer good Rum.
> Dave Hesse
>
> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>
> =============
> Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to  
> the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target  
> clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the  
> public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown  
> paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.
>
> Cheers.
> Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)
>
>> From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>> Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>> To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather  
>> trimming the
>> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when  
>> grandpa served
>> me my first beer, a Burgie or  
>> Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>> Morrison, Albuquerque
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From budscars at msn.com  Fri Jul 20 16:47:13 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
	<73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7cb1f$ed5a47d0$a483b304@Bud>

In 1966 I was taking a road trip to Washington and Idaho with a buddy in my 
62 TR4..We had been in Northern Idaho camping, and went home to San 
Francisco Via Seattle...We were broke of course, ..So we bought the cheapest 
beer we could find..HAPPY HOPS..They were half quart cans with little Elves 
dancing all over(We did see the Elves before as well as after drinking the 
beer)..I don't remember if the drinking age was 19 or so, or If we used a 
fake ID
Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Barr" <jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: <d.hesse at charter.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try
> Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap
>> by the case and always in bottles.
>> Now, I prefer good Rum.
>> Dave Hesse
>>
>> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to
>> the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target
>> clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the
>> public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown
>> paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)
>>
>>> From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>>> Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>>> To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>
>>> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather
>>> trimming the
>>> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when
>>> grandpa served
>>> me my first beer, a Burgie or
>>> Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>>> Morrison, Albuquerque
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> koblinger at verizon.net
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From niteseeker at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 17:43:20 2007
From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:43:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
	<73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
Message-ID: <69bfcb6c7807cb2c190bebef5ed4a2ef@aol.com>

If you are from Wisconsin must not forger all of the beers put out by 
Heilemann's.  The big mouth Schmitts.  Think Special Export was a good 
for a while. They still make a few beers there under City Brewery name. 
  The statue of King Heilemann is still in front of the brewery along 
with the world's largest six packs.
On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Jerry Barr wrote:

> If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try
> Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap
>> by the case and always in bottles.
>> Now, I prefer good Rum.
>> Dave Hesse
>>
>> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>  f


From jibjib at att.net  Fri Jul 20 17:56:19 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>
References: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>
Message-ID: <021901c7cb29$921bedb0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

>When John Deere bought a factory in Mannheim, Germany, the workers had 
> a beer break.  John Deere tried to eliminate this perk, but failed.

As did the workers at Mausser (gun mfg.) in Germany.  It's odd to see the
workers, including machinists, eating lunch while quaffing down beer.

Jack


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Fri Jul 20 18:08:41 2007
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:08:41 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
In-Reply-To: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
References: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALQta4iIIYFIsl7FtScKZNTCgAAAEAAAAB7csTmtn1VEmmtwYUfM+X0BAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Gary,
I have an R6, Virago and FJR1300 all running Castrol Active 4T and have been
running this oil exclusively for more than 8 years. This is 15W-50 grade.
The Active 4T is an Australian brand, so =you may have to ask your Castrol
rep for an equivalent if you cant find it directly.

Cheers
Peter
TR4



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AA00727 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 7:44 AM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content

I apologize for using the list for a non-Triumph question but I know  there 
is more knowledge available here than anywhere else I could turn to.
 I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers recommended oil  
weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 should have
20W-40  
according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number is more  
important, the first or the second. 
 I know from past discussions there are some lubrication experts on  the
list 
and would greatly appreciate your advice.
 Thank you!
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 07:18:11 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:18:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 Video-available from John Seaman, Videographer
Message-ID: <cc8.155a9ec3.33d36193@cs.com>

FoT:  

I was unaware that John Seaman was going to produce a DVD of MOTRAH. He has 
done many in the past and they are well done. This one will be no exception. He 
is a professional.

The DVD includes interviews with Kas Kastner, Tony Drews, and John Sprinzel, 
and more. It also includes the MOTRAH Autocross and Car Show.

It is 60 minutes long. It will be a keeper.

Order information is below and can be ordered direct from John.

Joe A


> Hi Joe,
> 
> I have completed a DVD of the 2007 SVRA Vintage GT Challenge Races, 
> featuring the MOTRAH 007 and S2000.  It is 1 hour, and covers the 
> Autocross, Car Show, and the Races.  
> 
> If the  Triumph Club Membership would be interested in purchasing additional 
> copies, the cost is $15.00 each, including postage.
> 
> John Seaman, Videographer
> 920 467 2076
   jcman at execpc.com




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 08:52:07 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:52:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
Message-ID: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>

Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind invitation to BeaveRun next
year.  I would like to see responses from all that are interested in running
this event.  This does affect planning for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup
Event.

Additionally, for those who might be interested in staying for the PVGP, the
following weekend, your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as
well.

I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to advance his planning for
this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me know.

Joe Alexander

Joe,

 We have just finished the PVGPA events for this year and we are in the
process of planning next yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th anniversary of
the
Historic races (BeaveRun) and we are planning to make it the best yet.

 I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will be a big part of this. I can
offer you a Triumph only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to all of
the normal practices and races you would be running in whichever group is most
appropriate for each car and driver. Even though PVGPA Beaver follows VRG
rules
and regulations this is a PVGPA event and there are a few differences. The
one that will interest you is that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
are
invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
 We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars in your own section of the
paddock and I think we can work a deal out for weekend passes for non racing
cars that want to come and cheer on the racers. I think we can offer a
discount
on the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in to the race park in a
Triumph.
 Please get back to me as soon as you can as I would like to start plotting
this now and get it into our schedule and news letters soon.
 Ralph Steinberg
 PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 09:17:00 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:17:00 EDT
Subject: [Fot] RATCO TR Frames at VTR (Valley Forge Convention)
Message-ID: <c54.171c2a3e.33d37d6c@cs.com>

Tony (FOT) Vigliotti had his Triumph Replacement Frames at the VTR Convention.

Very Impressive!!! These are extremely good looking frames.

Tony now has a Hybrid version that is the TR3/4 style frame with the advanced 
features of the TR4A/TR6 front suspension.

For solid axle racers seeking to build or replace their frame....or use with 
an AMBRO Project, this seems ideal.  

A forthcoming article will be in the VTR magazine by FoT Gary Horstkorta. 
BTW, membership in the VTR seems worthwhile for the FOT.Several FOT are heavily 
involved with the VTR or just members.

Regards,

Joe A   </HTML>


From stlnyc at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 11:10:36 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:10:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 body parts
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV163832FF5E4C994A214C79DAF50@phx.gbl>

I have a customer looking for a good used TR-3A front apron & a left front
inner fender.  If anyone has or knows of any, please contact me off-list.
Thanks in advance.

Fred Hodgson


From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Sat Jul 21 16:11:45 2007
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:11:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas
Message-ID: <cdd.16ec13bb.33d3dea1@aol.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with this, but I need Fred Thomas's e  mail address
 
Thanks, Matt    



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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 17:07:03 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:07:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED
Message-ID: <006f01c7cbeb$dc36a3f0$4e83b304@Bud>

Hi Gang...Carl stirtz in Oakland, ca. is building a vintage racing TR4, and
needs a right rear fender..If you can help, please call him at(home) 510 482
6349 or (work)510 536 2772
Carl is a serious buyer.

Thanks
Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 in Sonoma, ca


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jul 21 18:01:02 2007
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED
References: <006f01c7cbeb$dc36a3f0$4e83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <001001c7cbf3$65d61990$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>

There is one on eBay now.

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "CARL THE GRINDER STIRTZ" <stirtzmachine at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED


> Hi Gang...Carl stirtz in Oakland, ca. is building a vintage racing TR4, 
> and
> needs a right rear fender..If you can help, please call him at(home) 510 
> 482
> 6349 or (work)510 536 2772
> Carl is a serious buyer.
>
> Thanks
> Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 in Sonoma, ca
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 21:12:03 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next day.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>

Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it seemed
to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a some
zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots with
Iron City Beer.

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul 16 08:14:47 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Front suspension
Message-ID: <200707161415.l6GEEv0X189080@ns3.geneseo.net>

>I am forwarding a message that appeared on a TR6 list. I twas 
>written by Mike Denman and I'm forwarding it with his permission. It 
>has a couple of good ideas in it that can be used for other things 
>on most Triumphs.
>
>Hi group,
>     I have a couple of items to contribute to the list (at last). The front
>suspension of my wife's TR3 was completely worn out with every single
>component showing signs of severe wear and poor maintenance by the previous
>owners.
>     The first problem was the front left lower suspension fulcrum. 
> Both of the
>bushings were rusted onto the fulcrum and the threaded portion of one end of
>the fulcrum was broken off. One of the previously owners had managed to drill
>and tap the broken end of the fulcrum to accept a smaller bolt with a large
>washer. Clever and it must have been hard to do but not the safest idea in the
>world. The hole was also drilled quite a bit off center. So, the question I
>posed to the list a couple of weeks ago was "how hard is it to replace the
>lower fulcrum (which is welded into place) with the body on the car?". I
>didn't get an answer from the list but I can now say that it can be done but
>it certainly isn't a picnic. I spend an entire morning making some temporary
>brackets that were bolted to the frame that would allow me to position the new
>fulcrum in exactly the same place as the old one. Of course, if the old
>fulcrum has been pushed out of its original position by an accident etc. then
>the new fulcrum will also be in the "wrong position" by the same amount using
>this approach. However, the brackets proved to be invaluable. The original
>factory holes through which the fulcrum passes are oversize (probably to allow
>adjustment by the factory welders to compensate for dimensional tolerances in
>the frame). So the original holes do not aid in the final positioning of the
>fulcrum. Both brackets (one on each end of the fulcrum) must be cut away to
>get the fulcrum into place. The brackets are fairly simple so I made new ones
>instead of trying to save the old ones by grinding away all the welds etc. The
>whole process took me almost three days but the new fulcrum is now in place
>and all the suspension components on that side seem to line up correctly. The
>final verdict will come, of course, when I have the front end aligned.
>     The second "solution" involves the age old problem of rusted on bushings.
>I spent 4 hours getting one rusted-on bushing off the bad lower fulcrum. This
>was, of course, before I decided to replace the entire fulcrum. Over the years
>I have tried all types of "solutions" for this problem of rusted-on bushings
>and none of them have worked very well. Today I thought of a new solution.
>First I tried out the new solution on the bad fulcrum that I had removed from
>the car to see if it would work. I certainly didn't want to make things worse
>and the new solution sounds fairly drastic at first. Using my new method I had
>the rusted-on bushing off in less that five minutes and I didn't even get
>dirty! So what is the magic solution you ask? Well, I would still spray the
>rusty bushing with WD-40 or PB blaster or your favorite penetrating oil
>solution and leave it over night. Then take an appropriately sized nut (in my
>case a 3/4" inch nut drilled out to 19/32") and drill it out to fit over the
>bushing. Tack weld the nut to the bushing in 4 places. Don't go crazy with the
>welder. It doesn't require a lot of weld and you don't want the weld to
>penetrate deep enough to hit the fulcrum shaft. You also need to keep the
>flats of the nut clear of weld. Once the nut is welded to the bushing take an
>impact wrench and socket and remove the bushing. I was able to get my bushing
>off easily with the lowest setting on the impact wrench. It doesn't take much
>to break the bushing loose. I think the "big secret" is the impact wrench. The
>impact wrench is what makes the difference. I hit upon the idea after reading
>an article in the Triumph archives about using a pipe wrench and a lot of heat
>to remove the rusted on bushing. The pipe wrench idea got me thinking about
>how to apply rotational force to the bushing. Then I thought about how hard it
>is to get a generator pulley nut or alternator pulley nut off with a wrench
>and how easy the nuts come off with an impact wrench. This solution really
>works. Of course, you need enough room to get to the rusted on bushing with an
>impact wrench but it is worth a little extra effort to move things out of the
>way to allow the use of an impact wrench. Comments?
>Mike Denman
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From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com  Sat Jul 21 13:35:53 2007
From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
In-Reply-To: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070721152655.017abf80@cloverleaf-auto.com>

At 10:52 AM 7/21/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind
>invitation to BeaveRun next year.  I would like
>to see responses from all that are interested in
>running this event.  This does affect planning
>for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup Event.
>
>Additionally, for those who might be interested
>in staying for the PVGP, the following weekend,
>your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as well.
>
>I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to
>advance his planning for this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me
know.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
>Joe,
>We have just finished the PVGPA events for this
>year and we are in the process of planning next
>yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th
>anniversary of the Historic races (BeaveRun) and
>we are planning to make it the best yet.
>I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will
>be a big part of this. I can offer you a Triumph
>only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to
>all of the normal practices and races you would
>be running in whichever group is most
>appropriate for each car and driver. Even though
>PVGPA Beaver follows VRG rules and regulations
>this is a PVGPA event and there are a few
>differences. The one that will interest you is
>that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
>are invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
>We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars
>in your own section of the paddock and I think
>we can work a deal out for weekend passes for
>non racing cars that want to come and cheer on
>the racers. I think we can offer a discount on
>the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in
>to the race park in a Triumph.
>Please get back to me as soon as you can as I
>would like to start plotting this now and get it
>into our schedule and news letters soon.
>Ralph Steinberg
>PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

  Joe and all Triumph racers,
  I need to make a correction. The stand alone
race is on Sunday, when all of the big feature
races are. The top 3 finishers will go to the
winners circle for pictures and some prizes. If
you participate in all 3 days of the festival
(Friday is a test and tune day) you can rack up a
ton of track time. Saturday and Sunday will offer
a Triumph powered car approx 95 minutes of track
time. If you toss in Friday you can add another 1+ hour.
  We will have a driver & crew reception at the
track on Friday and a blow out Party on Saturday.
Everything is to help raise money for the
Autistic Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny
School. Your checks are made directly to the PVGPA, a tax deductible charity.
  Thanks Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 13:14:53 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7cc94$98a7d330$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I expect to bring my GT6 to Beaverun next year.  Beautiful track and great 
facilities with lots of space for gear and camping, nice showers, etc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun July 008


> Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind invitation to BeaveRun 
> next
> year.  I would like to see responses from all that are interested in 
> running
> this event.  This does affect planning for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup
> Event.
>
> Additionally, for those who might be interested in staying for the PVGP, 
> the
> following weekend, your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, 
> as
> well.
>
> I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to advance his planning for
> this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me know.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Joe,
>
> We have just finished the PVGPA events for this year and we are in the
> process of planning next yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th anniversary 
> of
> the
> Historic races (BeaveRun) and we are planning to make it the best yet.
>
> I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will be a big part of this. I 
> can
> offer you a Triumph only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to all 
> of
> the normal practices and races you would be running in whichever group is 
> most
> appropriate for each car and driver. Even though PVGPA Beaver follows VRG
> rules
> and regulations this is a PVGPA event and there are a few differences. The
> one that will interest you is that all Triumphs and Triumph powered 
> specials
> are
> invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
> We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars in your own section of the
> paddock and I think we can work a deal out for weekend passes for non 
> racing
> cars that want to come and cheer on the racers. I think we can offer a
> discount
> on the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in to the race park in a
> Triumph.
> Please get back to me as soon as you can as I would like to start plotting
> this now and get it into our schedule and news letters soon.
> Ralph Steinberg
> PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun
>   </HTML>
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>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Jul 22 15:56:23 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DE7CA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Well, good new and bad news.  The good news? I still have one good Spitfire Summers Bros. axle.  The bad news is that I have one broken one.  

More good news is that #49Blue stayed shiny-side up rather than go ass over tea kettle as it seemed momentarily inclined to do.  All I've lost (that I know so far) is a brake drum, backing plate, etc.  I feel certain I'll be able to find the wheel and tire out in the weeds after the last session of the afternoon.  And I'd imagine my brake drum is still attached to the wheel.

The point of all this rambling is that those of you who have those Summers axles ought to take a looooooong hard look at them once in a while.  I've got maybe a dozen full weekends on them and perhaps 6000 partial weekends.  On initial inspection, it appears that there are beach marks indicating that this axle has been cracking for a while and chose today to fail entirely, breaking off just inside of the outer bearing race.  Hard to say how long, but not long enough for the cracked bit so have any rust or discoloration.  

Chuck Gee, would you mind giving me a shout some time this next week about your Spit axles?

Scott B.


From budscars at msn.com  Sun Jul 22 17:09:13 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:09:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DE7CA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7ccb5$541e7ea0$dc8cb304@Bud>

Hi Scott...I suggest talking  to Joe Siam about the axle assemblies that he 
makes
Racer Bud spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage


> Well, good new and bad news.  The good news? I still have one good 
> Spitfire Summers Bros. axle.  The bad news is that I have one broken one.
>
> More good news is that #49Blue stayed shiny-side up rather than go ass 
> over tea kettle as it seemed momentarily inclined to do.  All I've lost 
> (that I know so far) is a brake drum, backing plate, etc.  I feel certain 
> I'll be able to find the wheel and tire out in the weeds after the last 
> session of the afternoon.  And I'd imagine my brake drum is still attached 
> to the wheel.
>
> The point of all this rambling is that those of you who have those Summers 
> axles ought to take a looooooong hard look at them once in a while.  I've 
> got maybe a dozen full weekends on them and perhaps 6000 partial weekends. 
> On initial inspection, it appears that there are beach marks indicating 
> that this axle has been cracking for a while and chose today to fail 
> entirely, breaking off just inside of the outer bearing race.  Hard to say 
> how long, but not long enough for the cracked bit so have any rust or 
> discoloration.
>
> Chuck Gee, would you mind giving me a shout some time this next week about 
> your Spit axles?
>
> Scott B.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sun Jul 22 20:07:55 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:07:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paging Dean Tetterton
Message-ID: <d50.da5e879.33d5677b@aol.com>

Sorry to bomb the list, but Dean, could you contact me via e-mail?  
Apparently my address book didn't update.
 
Thanks!  

--Andy   Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus   (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and  Triumph Herald 
Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 




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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 23 08:15:30 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:15:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 Video Available      NFI
Message-ID: <c9a.14d38407.33d61202@cs.com>

FoT and Triumph Lists

A sixty minute video (DVD) was professionally done of the SVRA Event in May 
at Road America.

It includes interviews with Kas Kastner and John Sprinzel in addition to the 
MOTRAH-007 racing and autocrossing.

If you have knowledge and interest of this event I recommend it. 

I am very familiar with John Seaman's work.

$15 is the cost per DVD

This is available through:

John Seaman
456 Bluebird Ln.
Sheboygan Falls, WI 53085
  jcman at execpc.com
John Seaman, Videographer
920 467 2076
    
Checks are accepted   </HTML>


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jul 23 11:18:34 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
like to use that for the mailing list.

Mark,
Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
guys that can help you with the TR6.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365


________________________________

From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Kramer, Robert
Subject: RE: Progress report



Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
Mark



MARK A. VAN LAKE

FEDEX CORP. SAFETY

SO. REGION

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From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 11:37:30 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707231037q3e6d85d0j83e783e780259e00@mail.gmail.com>

Be glad to second that nomination!  Having the PI 6 in the engine bay and
the 4 on the body makes the TR5 fairly a unique car in USA vintage.  Hope to
give it its maiden race the first weekend of August.  A test and tune day
this Thursday will validate if all is now well and ready.

On 7/23/07, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
> taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
> CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
> that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
> do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
> CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
> the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
> Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
> in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
> against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
> like to use that for the mailing list.
>
> Mark,
> Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
> Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
> all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
> bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
> to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
> guys that can help you with the TR6.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Co.
> 16415 North IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
> Fx 512-272-9365
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
> To: Kramer, Robert
> Subject: RE: Progress report
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
> Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
> finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
> Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
> a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
> that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
> Mark
>
>
>
> MARK A. VAN LAKE
>
> FEDEX CORP. SAFETY
>
> SO. REGION
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of
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> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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-- 
Chuck Arnold


From budscars at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 11:37:40 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (CHARLES DELAUER)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-F12E9F3BBA3A1203B4E77B1C6F70@phx.gbl>

Hi Bob....I think it was you that told me about the tr4 fender on Ebay..Carl 
was able to get it..and it is out here in ca...  Thanks very much...(if it 
wasn't you..then thanks to whoever it was)
Racer Bud ..spitfire # 21


>From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
>To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
>CC: vanlake at bellsouth.net
>Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0500
>
>I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
>taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
>CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
>that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
>do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
>CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
>the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
>Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
>in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
>against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
>like to use that for the mailing list.
>
>Mark,
>Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
>Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
>all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
>bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
>to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
>guys that can help you with the TR6.
>
>Bob Kramer
>Sales Manager
>RDO Equipment Co.
>16415 North IH 35
>Pflugerville, TX 78660
>512-272-4141
>Fx 512-272-9365
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
>To: Kramer, Robert
>Subject: RE: Progress report
>
>
>
>Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
>Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
>finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
>Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
>a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
>that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
>Mark
>
>
>
>MARK A. VAN LAKE
>
>FEDEX CORP. SAFETY
>
>SO. REGION
>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 23 12:31:16 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070721152655.017abf80@cloverleaf-auto.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609669B@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I can testify first hand that not only is this a neat track, but it's a well
run, very fun event. I don't know if I'll make it back next year, but it's
tempting. Nicest people on the planet too. I don't know how or why that's so,
but I've never been better treated.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ralph Steinberg
Sent: Sat 7/21/2007 12:35 PM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com
Cc: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008

At 10:52 AM 7/21/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind
>invitation to BeaveRun next year.  I would like
>to see responses from all that are interested in
>running this event.  This does affect planning
>for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup Event.
>
>Additionally, for those who might be interested
>in staying for the PVGP, the following weekend,
>your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as well.
>
>I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to
>advance his planning for this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me
know.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
>Joe,
>We have just finished the PVGPA events for this
>year and we are in the process of planning next
>yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th
>anniversary of the Historic races (BeaveRun) and
>we are planning to make it the best yet.
>I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will
>be a big part of this. I can offer you a Triumph
>only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to
>all of the normal practices and races you would
>be running in whichever group is most
>appropriate for each car and driver. Even though
>PVGPA Beaver follows VRG rules and regulations
>this is a PVGPA event and there are a few
>differences. The one that will interest you is
>that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
>are invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
>We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars
>in your own section of the paddock and I think
>we can work a deal out for weekend passes for
>non racing cars that want to come and cheer on
>the racers. I think we can offer a discount on
>the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in
>to the race park in a Triumph.
>Please get back to me as soon as you can as I
>would like to start plotting this now and get it
>into our schedule and news letters soon.
>Ralph Steinberg
>PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

  Joe and all Triumph racers,
  I need to make a correction. The stand alone
race is on Sunday, when all of the big feature
races are. The top 3 finishers will go to the
winners circle for pictures and some prizes. If
you participate in all 3 days of the festival
(Friday is a test and tune day) you can rack up a
ton of track time. Saturday and Sunday will offer
a Triumph powered car approx 95 minutes of track
time. If you toss in Friday you can add another 1+ hour.
  We will have a driver & crew reception at the
track on Friday and a blow out Party on Saturday.
Everything is to help raise money for the
Autistic Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny
School. Your checks are made directly to the PVGPA, a tax deductible charity.
  Thanks Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun
billb at bnj.com
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 23 12:52:34 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:52:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TVT article on the Friends of Triumph by FoTs Cook and Hussman
Message-ID: <ca2.1499056d.33d652f2@cs.com>

VTR's mag "The Vintage Triumph"  is in the mail to it's members.

Nice coverage by Mike Cook and Ernie Hussman on the MOTRAH-007.

Great pictures of most of the usual suspects in action.

A very nice summary of finishing positions.

If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it.

I sometimes wonder if the FoT shouldnt have a more direct affiliation with 
the Vintage Triumph Register. The Experimental Aircraft Association does a 
similar routine with subsets of aviation interests.....Homebuilt, Antique, 
Aerobatic. They are separate entities under the EAA Umbrella.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jul 23 15:41:25 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 floorboard
Message-ID: <20070723214214.2CE1D187A41@autox.team.net>

I am in need of a driver's side floor board (left) for a TR6 I am turning
into a race car. Used but not rusty ( already have a rusty one) is OK. I
know I can order a new one from Moss etc but I'm trying to save a few bucks.
Thanks 
Walt Hollowell
Albuquerque, NM


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 15:51:47 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:51:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 floorboard
Message-ID: <c83.16ba60cf.33d67cf3@aol.com>

If it's for a racer why not just put a thin piece of aluminum over it?



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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Jul 23 18:21:08 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:21:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
Message-ID: <29037F80-8ADF-4CAC-A4BF-39DDE5034B8A@charter.net>

While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on track  
but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk Farms this  
weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu walking along  
the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to see it and kinda  
threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I think I need to stop  
taking this pain medicine! The next lap I was prepared for the Emu  
and when i got to corner 6 the corner station had a debris flag up so  
I thought well someone got him or her, but no it was just sauntering  
down the middle of the track. When I got to it I slowed down to it's  
speed and race the engine a few times but it just looked back at me  
and kept on walking. Very strange encounter.
Jerry Barr
Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Jul 23 18:56:33 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cd89$70766750$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
References: <29037F80-8ADF-4CAC-A4BF-39DDE5034B8A@charter.net>
	<002e01c7cd89$70766750$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
Message-ID: <AB148C2B-484C-4E05-B072-CF65F29EBABE@charter.net>

The MG looks like an Emu but this one did have feathers
On Jul 23, 2007, at 7:27 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote:

> Are you sure it wasn't an MG?
>
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Barr"  
> <jerrybarr at charter.net>
> To: "Friends Triumph of" <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:21 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
>
>
>> While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on  
>> track  but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk  
>> Farms this  weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu  
>> walking along  the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to  
>> see it and kinda  threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I  
>> think I need to stop  taking this pain medicine! The next lap I  
>> was prepared for the Emu  and when i got to corner 6 the corner  
>> station had a debris flag up so  I thought well someone got him or  
>> her, but no it was just sauntering  down the middle of the track.  
>> When I got to it I slowed down to it's  speed and race the engine  
>> a few times but it just looked back at me  and kept on walking.  
>> Very strange encounter.
>> Jerry Barr
>> Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 23 18:56:13 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:56:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
Message-ID: <25204535.1185238573534.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That's cool!  I was at blackhawk, coming around the last turn and, just as I hit the straight, a very slow turtle was starting to cross the track.  Each lap, the turtle was further and further across.  Finally, when I came around expecting to see the turtle safely across the track, there was 1/2 a turtle (the bottom half) in the middle of the road :(

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Barr <jerrybarr at charter.net>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2007 5:21 PM
>To: Friends Triumph of <FOT at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
>
>While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on track  
>but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk Farms this  
>weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu walking along  
>the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to see it and kinda  
>threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I think I need to stop  
>taking this pain medicine! The next lap I was prepared for the Emu  
>and when i got to corner 6 the corner station had a debris flag up so  
>I thought well someone got him or her, but no it was just sauntering  
>down the middle of the track. When I got to it I slowed down to it's  
>speed and race the engine a few times but it just looked back at me  
>and kept on walking. Very strange encounter.
>Jerry Barr
>Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 19:56:19 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] new member
Message-ID: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>

Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the email
list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building Triumphs..Machining
Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl does my
machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has nearly
completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He is
one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph Knowledge,
and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
..I Nominate Carl Stirtz  stirtzmachine at aol.com  for membership in the
'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
Thanks Gang..
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.


From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 20:03:13 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:03:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] new member
References: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV577488FF72EDBBF6CBA7ADAF00@phx.gbl>

You just did!  Second.

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: RACER BUD<mailto:budscars at msn.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:56 PM
  Subject: [Fot] new member


  Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the
email
  list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building
Triumphs..Machining
  Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl does
my
  machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has nearly
  completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He
is
  one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph
Knowledge,
  and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
  ..I Nominate Carl Stirtz
stirtzmachine at aol.com<mailto:stirtzmachine at aol.com>  for membership in the
  'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
  Thanks Gang..
  Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.
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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 20:48:32 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:48:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] new member
References: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <002e01c7cd9d$1f883c10$4acd0518@GHOffice>

I concur with Bud on the Carl Stirz nomination.  Carl's been around since 
the wheel was discovered and is a fountain of automotive knowledge.  Besides 
the Triumph passion, Carl also owns a beautiful BMC Formula Junior which he 
regularly enters in vintage events in N.CA.  Anyone attending this year's 
Monterey Historics will see his red FJr. on the track once again.  Welcome 
Carl.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: [Fot] new member


> Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the 
> email
> list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building 
> Triumphs..Machining
> Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl 
> does my
> machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has 
> nearly
> completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He 
> is
> one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph 
> Knowledge,
> and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
> ..I Nominate Carl Stirtz  stirtzmachine at aol.com  for membership in the
> 'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
> Thanks Gang..
> Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot 


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 22:23:56 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:23:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In search of history/past drivers for my GT6
Message-ID: <004801c7cdaa$73358450$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I have the SCCA logbooks for my GT6.  Earliest recorded entry is P.I.R. on
6/10/72 with Tom Hall as the driver, then Laguna Seca 6/23, SIR National (?)
no date, Oregon GP 9/16/72, ARRC 11/19/72, then moving to the east coast and
VIR 3/3/73 with Bill Davis as driver, again at VIR, Road Atlanta, S.P.
National, etc.  When Bill owned it the car was black and ran DP. Bill sold it
to Jim Clipper in 1978.  I have been in touch with Bill but would like to find
Tom Hall and Jim Clipper.  Anyone knowing of these guys plz let me know.  I
also have an SCCA logbook for a GP Spitfire Jim ran at Summit Point on 5/20/78
and rolled per the logbook entry.  Don't know if the car still exists.  Thx!


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jul 24 08:40:12 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts
Message-ID: <46A60F4C.9030901@bright.net>

Greetings FOT list. We still have some FOT T.shirts that were ordered 
and not paid. These are the ones we still have left.  Please call, email 
or fax a credit card or send us a check. Shirts are $14.50 plus $1.50 
for XXL plus postage.  Thanks for your support. Ted

                                qty        size
Randall Young -         2         XL
Ed Ceilly -                 3         XL
Jim Hill -                    1 L and 1 XL
Jerry Barr -                2         XXL
Bill Burropughs -        2          L
Tim Murphy -            2           L
Bill Babcock -            4          XL
Bob Davis -                2          XL
Steve Benford -          3           L







-- 
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 09:03:10 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-W907FB221098A9C54E429D90F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241101190.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:

> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
> me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
> Morrison, Albuquerque

Hi - while we're sharing stories... my Dad and I never had a "beer
moment", but he was always comlaining that I drank all his beer. That's
because I did. That was a long time and a bunch of AA meetings ago.

:-)

rml
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 09:32:57 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C99C1F0B5C94B8-1B8-10A0C@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com>

It was a good event because I had plenty of help from a great bunch of FOT people!?

 THANKS?to Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Bob Lang, Marty Sukey, Richard Good, Scott Janzen, Irv Korey, Matt Bakes, am I forgetting anyone?? Oh yeah, John Lye, who wasn't there, but gave me plenty of good advice over the phone before the event!?Thanks again to all of you.

Richard Good was the official FTD.? The crowd loved watching Good and Sukey do battle for the title.

Rich Rock


-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 7:52 am
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox



VTR had the autox yesterday and what a wonderful event. Unofficial results
(mine anyhow) show Richard Good taking FTD with his TR6. Rich Rock did a
FANTASTIC job putting this event on. He was working at it every single minute,
if you see him buy him a beer. Great group of cars and a perfect course
layout. As a side note Wednesday evening found a bunch of the FOT faithful at
a local go cart track. What a blast. Too bad I couldn't keep up with the
professional drivers at that event either. I think I would have had a chance
but my driving strategies were being protested by the road race contingent:).
Yellow, there ain't no stinking  yellow flags in autox?Marty Sukey
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 09:53:07 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <8C99C1F0B5C94B8-1B8-10A0C@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241149470.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 rikrock at aol.com wrote:

> It was a good event because I had plenty of help from a great bunch of
> FOT people!?

>  THANKS?to Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Bob Lang, Marty Sukey, Richard
> Good, Scott Janzen, Irv Korey, Matt Bakes, am I forgetting anyone?? Oh
> yeah, John Lye, who wasn't there, but gave me plenty of good advice
> over the phone before the event!?Thanks again to all of you.

Don't forget Linda Cragin for the results!!!
 
> Richard Good was the official FTD.? The crowd loved watching Good and
> Sukey do battle for the title.

Yep.
 
> Rich Rock

regards,
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 11:39:53 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241149470.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8C99C30C75069EA-F84-93CE@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com>

Oh man, that's why I hate naming names.? I always forget?AT LEAST?one!

I also forgot to?mention Beth Bakes.?? Big THANKS to both of them.!

Rich Rock
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 14:50:31 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hey,

I had fun at both the kart track and the autox. I wish I had better tires,
the course was interesting. I'm glad the rain never materialized, because
the sweeper onto the slalom was a lot faster than I thought it would be!
On one run, I ran out of room at "Masta".

I'm getting psyched for 2008.

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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Tue Jul 24 15:24:29 2007
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>

A fan has posted over 1500 photos of VTR 2007 on his site.  There are many 
of the autocross. http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/

http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2007VTRb/

http://vgalleries.com/members/MarcRoland/Vintage+Triumph+Registry+Convention+2007.vrg

http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/320744/Board/5/page/1/fpart/all/gonew/1#UNREAD

The are lots showing the TRS HP929.

Don Elliott
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Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autox


> Hey,
>
> I had fun at both the kart track and the autox. I wish I had better tires,
> the course was interesting. I'm glad the rain never materialized, because
> the sweeper onto the slalom was a lot faster than I thought it would be!
> On one run, I ran out of room at "Masta".
>
> I'm getting psyched for 2008.
>
> rml
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 17:56:48 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>
	<005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great dark 
lager named Augustiner.
Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
Bruce - still in the Burgh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next 
> day.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
>  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
>  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
> In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> <<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>
>
> Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it 
> seemed
> to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a 
> some
> zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots 
> with
> Iron City Beer.
>
> There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 18:59:39 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde 
Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale made 
from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on 
the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold snowy 
winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to 
school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....

Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great 
> dark
> lager named Augustiner.
> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
> Bruce - still in the Burgh


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jul 24 19:01:56 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <004f01c7ce57$657bb070$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Redmond" <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> AH!  Gold ole I C Light!  I miss it here in New Jersey.
>
> Todd Redmond - with family still in the Burgh!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great 
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
>> To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>
>>
>>> Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next
>>> day.
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
>>>  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
>>>  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
>>>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> <<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>
>>>
>>> Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it
>>> seemed
>>> to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a
>>> some
>>> zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their 
>>> shots
>>> with
>>> Iron City Beer.
>>>
>>> There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
>>> another beer.************************************** Get a sneak peek of
>>> the
>>> all-new
>>> AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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From budscars at msn.com  Tue Jul 24 19:11:19 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>

Is Falstaff Still around?..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Scott Janzen" 
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde
> Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale 
> made
> from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on
> the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold 
> snowy
> winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to
> school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....
>
> Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>;
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
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From portermd at zianet.com  Tue Jul 24 19:24:37 2007
From: portermd at zianet.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <46A6A655.3070002@zianet.com>

RACER BUD wrote:
> Is Falstaff Still around?..
>   
Falstaff was officially dropped by Pabst in June, 2005.

Another beer that bit the dust a while back was Primo. Terrible stuff.  
I spit out the first taste I had of it, and the Hawaiian guy next to me 
said, "why do that? Primo dakine good beer."  I said, "this is just 
plain awful."  He kind of shrugged and said, "yeah, I guess so, but it's 
much better since Schlitz took it over." :)

Schlitz brewed it in Hawaii until 1979, then moved production to the 
mainland and sold it that way until 1997, when the brand was discontinued.

-- 
Michael D. Porter
Roswell, NM

Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:17:08 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:17:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad on 
the side of the can in a bikini - hey, I ttry to be politically correct but 
there is no more accurate way to describe this politically incorrect label!
Ok- one more Pittsburgh beer story - just up the street from the IC brewery, 
in Lawrenceville, there was a micro brewery that opened in a big old church 
building.  The stainless steel brew tanks were on the alter.  Best church I 
was ever in - I could worship there on a regular basis!  This was half dozen 
years ago, don't know if it is still there - they would also let you bring 
in jugs to fill up from the tap and take home - micro brew take out!.  Good 
stuff.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Scott Janzen" 
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde
> Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale 
> made
> from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on
> the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold 
> snowy
> winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to
> school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....
>
> Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>;
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:40:37 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:40:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
Message-ID: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress 
camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
Thanks again for the help,
Jim Gray
Newbie to the RMVR


From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue Jul 24 22:06:19 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Free TR3 parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1185300000.30612.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1185300000.30612.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901c7ce71$27bb4880$1ff2544c@Guinan>

This note was passed along on the NASS (Spitfire & GT6) mail list.  Hope
someone is in the British Columbia area and can use something.

FREE TR3 Parts - Frame - excellent condition, Transmission, Engine
block w/ crankshaft, Rocker assembly w/ cover. Whole rear end assembly -
differential, axles, brake cylinders. Cylinder head w/ valves,
Speedometer, Tachometer, Miscellaneous small parts, Fan belt (new),
Heater, Bumper overriders (2), Front apron / cowling w/ grille, Rocker
panel inside members (new), Seat (1). Must take all! Free! E-mail:
kiralyATshaw.ca. Located on Bowen Island, BC. (07/08/07)


Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE
joeg at neb.rr.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jul 24 23:27:04 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:27:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
References: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <20070725052821.A392C1879F5@autox.team.net>

You want at least that much camber in the front - I had about 2 1/2 
degrees.  You want the pressures to be in the 40 to 42 range hot.  I 
ran 36 psi front and 34 psi rear with a solid axle TR-4.

- Tony Drews

At 10:40 PM 7/24/2007, James Gray wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
>an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>Thanks again for the help,
>Jim Gray
>Newbie to the RMVR


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jul 25 05:12:12 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:12:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <46A7300C.9050902@141.com>

Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding 
in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You 
can often find them on eBay if you want one.

There's one here, bottom left:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitemZ200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Susan     :)


Scott Janzen wrote:
> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad on 
> the side of the can in a bikini...
-- 
*****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 07:41:41 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:41:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings?
Kev Lynch
asst. CDI
RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

  klynch_6 at msn.com<mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com>
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jul 25 08:56:05 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:56:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
(cold)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings?
Kev Lynch
asst. CDI
RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

  klynch_6 at msn.com<mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com>
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From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net  Wed Jul 25 13:26:21 2007
From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:26:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
	<001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>
Message-ID: <002301c7cef1$b080f4f0$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Fan, yes. 
Also a FOT
Enjoy the photos (I hope my monthly bandwidth limit doesn't kick in)!
Clark W. Nicholls
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+clarkfot=cwnicholls.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+clarkfot=cwnicholls.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don
Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:24 PM
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autox

A fan has posted over 1500 photos of VTR 2007 on his site.  There are many
of the autocross. http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/

http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2007VTRb/


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 16:25:58 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7cf0a$c70da010$c1e2010a@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm running the RA-1's with full tread as rain tires on my Spitfire and I
really like them.  26 PSI front and rear as a starting spot and lots of
negative camber.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:56 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
(cold)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings? Kev Lynch asst. CDI RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jul 25 20:21:55 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 20:25:54 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:25:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
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several of us actually met the fat broad in person at the Iron City Brewery 
somr years ago.
I have pictures somewhere of her with us and our TRs.
Bruce


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding
> in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You
> can often find them on eBay if you want one.
>
> There's one here, bottom left:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitemZ200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Susan     :)
>
>
> Scott Janzen wrote:
>> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad 
>> on
>> the side of the can in a bikini...
> -- 
> *****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 25 21:00:26 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:00:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <027a01c7cf31$1e2dbe90$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I have the original photo somewhere of Bruce, Woody McVicker and Benji along
with my TR4A and Benji's TR3. Bruce borrowed my car for the photo
opportunity. I think it was around 1982.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>; "Scott Janzen"
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> several of us actually met the fat broad in person at the Iron City
Brewery
> somr years ago.
> I have pictures somewhere of her with us and our TRs.
> Bruce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
> > Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding
> > in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You
> > can often find them on eBay if you want one.
> >
> > There's one here, bottom left:
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitem
Z200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > Susan     :)
> >
> >
> > Scott Janzen wrote:
> >> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad
> >> on
> >> the side of the can in a bikini...
> > --
> > *****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Jul 26 05:58:14 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:58:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>

What size RA-1s are you all running on your TR4s?  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:22 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
>Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 26 06:11:06 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
better >>

And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going

>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR
scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 07:10:12 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:10:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>
References: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
	<000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <20070726131122.1CE991879F6@autox.team.net>

I was running 205-50/15's.  Unfortunately, 60 series tires aren't 
available.  Loved em!  Started full depth, took it slightly easy on 
them for a bit to avoid any chunking problems, and got like a season 
and a half out of them.  Switched to the Speedsters as at least one 
of the vintage groups I run with has issues with the fact that they 
are 60 series.  Too bad, because the Toyos are relatively 
inexpensive, have the SAME grip level as comparable Hoosiers, and 
last a long time.  When I was running the Vintage TD's, tire costs 
were killing me - that's why I switched to the Toyo.  The Speedster 
came out about the same time I made the switch.

The 205's fit the TR-4 better than you'd think.  I'm running 6" wide 
panasport wheels.

- Tony

At 06:58 AM 7/26/2007, OFB Racing wrote:
>What size RA-1s are you all running on your TR4s?  Don
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>Tony Drews
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:22 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
>for him.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
> >I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
> >(cold)
> >
> >Scott B.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> >[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf
> >Of KEVIN LYNCH
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
> >To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
> >
> >Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
> >frnt: 26#
> >rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
> >Kuhmo.
> >Are you planning on going to Hastings?
> >Kev Lynch
> >asst. CDI
> >RMVR
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
> >   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> >   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
> >   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
> >
> >
> >   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
> >on
> >   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
> >   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
>am
> >   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
> >   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
> >   Thanks again for the help,
> >   Jim Gray
> >   Newbie to the RMVR
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 07:11:39 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, looking 
for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of the tire?  I don't 
know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only running 18 lb rear and 20 
lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
> scott.barr at mccarty-law.com
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 07:14:33 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20070726131541.D32601879F1@autox.team.net>

The spec Miata guys all run RA-1's, that's how I arrived at my 40 to 
42 hot pressure.  There are several articles on the 'net about those 
tires.  They recommend lots of camber too.  Running 36 front / 34 
rear (cold) pressures, I wasn't unduly wearing the middle, but the 
middle did wear slightly more than the outside edge.

Also, you can ignore the rotation arrow on the side of the tire - 
that's for wet running only.  When you bevel the inside edge, have 
them flipped on the rim to even out the wear.

Incidentally, the RA-1's are GREAT in the rain (especially compared 
with the Vintage TD which is awful in the wet).  I won a race on a 
drying track with those tires, even though they had very little tread left.

- Tony

At 07:11 AM 7/26/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>  <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
>better >>
>
>And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
>little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
>through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
>left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
>Scott B.


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 08:03:05 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <002b01c7cf8d$c3896bd0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to 
defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.

Ed 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 08:29:08 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <c80.15eb76f5.33da09b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/26/2007 9:06:56 AM Central Daylight Time, 
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:


> Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to 
> 
> defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.
> 
> 

That's probably what blew the top off that TR4.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...That picture is proudly displayed in our shop as well.  Incidentally, we 
always maintained that the driver in that picture is Don Brick.  Could be!



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 08:57:26 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:57:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <c3a.17b4480d.33da1056@aol.com>

<<<  Bob Wismer wrote...On another matter can you contact FOT and see if 
anybody has a  source for a rechargeable AMB TRANX 260 transponder. AMB wants $375 
plus shipping and eBay is about  $350................>>>

Amici...

Bob Wismer, a retired coupon clipper, sent me the above email.  He wants to 
know if anyone has better (read more economical) source of rechargeable 
transponders than listed above.  Apparently his wife won't give him that much money.

Any ideas?

Bill (Damdinger)





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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jul 26 09:00:40 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <380-22007742615040689@M2W034.mail2web.com>

perhaps she could be an HONORARY FoG

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ed Woods fogbro1 at comcast.net
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0400
To: stutzmans at comcast.net, spitfiresuz at 141.com, S.Janzen at comcast.net,
Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to
defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.

Ed
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 09:02:16 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070726150237.67089187A30@autox.team.net>

You're right, the proper way to set pressures and camber is to do 
tire temperature readings immediately after significant cornering.
Outside edge hotter = not enough camber.  Inner edge hotter = too 
much camber.  Middle of tire hotter = too much pressure.  Outer edges 
of tire hotter = not enough pressure.  Probably best to do that at a 
skid pad if possible.

In the Speedsters, I ran 18 psi cold front and 17 psi cold 
rear.  Handled decently (not a crisp a turn in as the RA-1's, but 
much lower pressure could account for that).  Didn't seem to wear the 
outer edges more than the middle.  I've heard of pressures all over 
the map for the speedsters.

- Tony

At 08:11 AM 7/26/2007, Scott Janzen wrote:
>Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, 
>looking for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of 
>the tire?  I don't know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only 
>running 18 lb rear and 20 lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>><<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
>>better >>
>>
>>And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
>>little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
>>through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
>>left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>>Of Tony Drews
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
>>for him.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>>(cold)
>>>
>>>Scott B.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>>
>>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>>frnt: 26#
>>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>>Kuhmo.
>>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>>Kev Lynch
>>>asst. CDI
>>>RMVR
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>>
>>>
>>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>>
>>>on
>>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
>>am
>>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>>   Jim Gray
>>>   Newbie to the RMVR


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 09:30:32 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:30:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <c3a.17b4480d.33da1056@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009001c7cf99$e83064a0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

There's got to be a good business in making substitute devices somehow.  You 
know these little buggers don't cost that much to make.  Is this a 
conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devices/racers 
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S group 
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> <<<  Bob Wismer wrote...On another matter can you contact FOT and see if
> anybody has a  source for a rechargeable AMB TRANX 260 transponder. AMB 
> wants $375
> plus shipping and eBay is about  $350................>>>
>
> Amici...
>
> Bob Wismer, a retired coupon clipper, sent me the above email.  He wants 
> to
> know if anyone has better (read more economical) source of rechargeable
> transponders than listed above.  Apparently his wife won't give him that 
> much money.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 09:46:14 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <bee.19acb2cf.33da1bc6@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/26/2007 10:30:55 AM Central Daylight Time, 
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:


> There's got to be a good business in making substitute devices somehow.  
> You 
> know these little buggers don't cost that much to make.  Is this a 
> conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devices/racers 
> 
> subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S group 
> has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
> 

I suspect, "YES" is the proper response to your questions and statements.  

Monopolies are terrible (unless, of course, you're in on them).  

In their defense I am sure they had R&D expenses and extraordinary start up 
costs getting the universal acceptance.  I think at some point any legal 
protection they enjoy will cease and alternatives will surface.  But in the interim, 
there is no question that it is a nifty system far superior to what we used 
to deal with.  Having sufficient workers at our events is an ongoing problem, 
and the AMB Timing & Scoring system sure helps there.

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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jul 26 10:07:51 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <20070726.100752.-218683.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
individual devices/racers 
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
group 
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?

NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
a system like AMB.

AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
ones & zeros.

Bill


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 26 10:50:51 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:50:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to pay to play.

~S

-----Original Message-----
>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>
>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>individual devices/racers 
>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>group 
>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>
>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>a system like AMB.
>
>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>ones & zeros.
>
>Bill
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 11:12:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c7cfa8$2ab8d4c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and 
local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not 
> inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part 
> of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's 
> lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name 
> and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder 
> unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old 
> stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to 
> pay to play.
>
> ~S
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>>
>>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>>individual devices/racers
>>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>>group
>>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>>
>>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>>a system like AMB.
>>
>>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>>ones & zeros.
>>
>>Bill
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>>
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 11:46:49 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c7cfac$f55ac680$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk>

Anyone have thoughts on tire pressures running A70-13 Hoosier Street TDs on 
a Spitfire?
Thanks!!!

Steve Groh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Jul 26 11:53:29 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV3656366632F6A409B9835B7F20@phx.gbl>

  Afternoon all!  Just wanted to bring the group up to date on what we're
trying to do out here in Colo. re: a new track. We've lost 3 now and this
essentially, will be our last stand. If we can't raise enough funds for this,
the future will be very uncertain for amateur road racing in this state.  Keep
your fingers crossed & have a good, safe  summer.
Kev Lynch
RMVR
  www.highplainsraceway.com/track.html<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/track
.html>


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 12:02:53 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:02:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <d2f.c32b82a.33da3bcd@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/07 8:30:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<< Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devi
ces/racers   subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T
&S group   has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money? >>

I had a non-rechargeable AMB transponder on my TR-3, with no problems.  My
son had a rechargeable transponder on his RX-7 Mazda.  He had nothing but
trouble with his rechargeable transponder.  We were even afraid to plug it into
 the
cigarette lighter in my van, for fear that it would run down the battery, and
we wouldn't make it back to the track.

I gave him my transponder, and then bought another non-chargeable transponder
for the TR-3.  Then this new transponder wouldn't work, and I had to rent one
from the track.  Fortunately, AMB replaced this last transponder, and it is
working.  I still favor the transponders powered from the car.  You are
eliminating another variable (the battery).

There is a lot of conspiracy going on behind the scene, such as individuals
lobbing for rule changes to pad their pockets.  That hydrogen embrittlement of
the metal parts on seat belts was a big farce.  Those metal parts would be
functional after all of us are gone, unless they are thrown into a furnace.

I told several SCCA officials that hydrogen embrittlement is a nuclear
reactor term.  That is the concern that the reactor pressure vessels may crack 
due
to hydrogen embrittlement over a long time period.  Most of the reactors in
this country are over forty years old.  These pressure vessels are also in a hi
gh
radioactive field, and have gone through many pressure/temperature cycles.

At least Bill Simpson has come through with his Impact Racing company.  He
will still replace the webbing on your metal seat belt parts for considerably
less money than buying new seat belts.

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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 12:25:44 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:25:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
Message-ID: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>

Does anyone have a source of TR-3 slave cylinders?  The one that came with
the car in 1959 is still on the car, and has been rebuilt many times.  The usua
l
sources (Roadster Factory, Moss, British Victoria, etc.) say that this part
is no longer available.
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu Jul 26 12:52:43 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:52:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
In-Reply-To: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>
References: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c7cfb6$25f6d780$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> Does anyone have a source of TR-3 slave cylinders?  The one 
> that came with
> the car in 1959 is still on the car, and has been rebuilt 
> many times. 

If it was new in 1959, it must be the later Girling clutch slave.  AFAIK
these are readily available from the usual suspects.

Moss P/N 580-760, TRF P/N GI64068867.

The early Lockheed clutch slaves are NLA AFAIK, but not too hard to
substitute a later unit.  You may need a different hose & the bracket from a
later car tho, I don't remember offhand what all I did.  But I did it and it
worked fine for me.

If you do have a TR2-3 with Lockheed hydraulics (front drum brakes), and
originality is important to you; then I'd suggest having your original slave
re-sleeved by White Post, or Apple or someone like that.

Randall 
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Jul 26 13:06:45 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:06:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Balance/Bias Bar
Message-ID: <46A8F0C5.6090700@charter.net>

Sorry to bomb the list but have any of you Spitfire racers build your 
own brake bias bar?
I have seen the ones shown in Kas's new book on page 99 but it's hard to 
see any detail.
One looks like the unit from Pegasus or Tilton and the other looks like 
the owner made it.

Also with either is their any modifications required to the upper part 
of the pedal where the pin normally would be positioned?

Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spitfire Race Car (slooow progress in completing)


From LOddTR at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:23:01 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <ca7.14ec8314.33da5ca5@aol.com>

Steve,
 
I had the pleasure of being the first to have one of the hard-wired units 
fail. At least that's what the tech said.. oh yeah, send $350 for a replacement!
 
They got the monopoly so we haven't a choice. I hope this one lasts longer 
than four years.
 
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 26 14:26:02 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:26:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
In-Reply-To: <ca7.14ec8314.33da5ca5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612710@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

We've had two of these units "fail" in the Spitfire.  The LED is lit,
but T&S gets no signal.  Not WEAK signal, NO signal.  We tried moving
the transponder to another spot on the car, higher up and with a clearer
shot at the track.  Still no joy.

For those of you that have had one fail (hard-wired units), is the LED
lit?  How have they failed?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of LOddTR at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM
To: S.Janzen at comcast.net; BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

Steve,

I had the pleasure of being the first to have one of the hard-wired
units fail. At least that's what the tech said.. oh yeah, send $350 for
a replacement!

They got the monopoly so we haven't a choice. I hope this one lasts
longer than four years.

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From LOddTR at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:42:27 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:42:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <c79.18e2d3b3.33da6133@aol.com>

Mine glowed bright but had a weak, or no, signal.
 
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 15:11:45 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:11:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <d31.10e318c2.33da6811@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2007 4:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
LOddTR at aol.com writes:

Mine  glowed bright but had a weak, or no, signal.


mine always seems about 3 seconds a lap too slow...
 
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jul 26 15:56:10 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:56:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"
References: <BAY124-DAV3656366632F6A409B9835B7F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002201c7cfcf$c91ab8a0$6501a8c0@S1099895562>

Link below doesn't work. Try just www.highplainsraceway.com/

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KEVIN LYNCH" <klynch_6 at msn.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"


>  Afternoon all!  Just wanted to bring the group up to date on what we're
> trying to do out here in Colo. re: a new track. We've lost 3 now and this
> essentially, will be our last stand. If we can't raise enough funds for 
> this,
> the future will be very uncertain for amateur road racing in this state. 
> Keep
> your fingers crossed & have a good, safe  summer.
> Kev Lynch
> RMVR
> 
> www.highplainsraceway.com/track.html<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/track
> .html>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:29:27 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AA@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Tire temps at a track are always a little off from real heating because the
outside edge of the tire gets cooled as you run down the straight. You can
compensate for this, but the best way to do tire temps is on a skid pad. You'd
wind up with a huge amount of camber if you believed trackside tire temps.

for just checking pressure, look mostly at the inside vs. center (assuming
your camber is reasonably OK). All this tire temp stuff can be
tricky--overinflation compensates for too little camber (or too much) since
you increase the contact patch in the corners.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Scott Janzen
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 6:11 AM
To: Barr, Scott; Tony Drews; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, looking
for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of the tire?  I don't
know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only running 18 lb rear and 20
lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:35:37 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:35:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BRAINERD August 3-5, 2007
References: <c6d.1217fbf7.33da19bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AC@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I will be at Brainerd. See you there I hope. I'll bring Old Frothingslosh (or
a reasonable substitute).


-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com]
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 8:37 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: BRAINERD August 3-5, 2007

Bill

FYI.  In case BRAINERD is in fact your next event, know that this week Uncle
Jack is helping Bob Wismer fix the transmission and replace the clutch in his
TR4.  Assuming they do not expose another issue, there is a good chance we
will run BRAINERD with VSCR the week end after next.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:37:36 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:37:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <20070726.100752.-218683.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AD@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Actually, it wouldn't be hard to build AMB transponders, nothing in them
that's really proprietary. And that is the 'murrican way.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of William G
Rosenbach
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 9:07 AM
To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
individual devices/racers
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
group
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?

NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
a system like AMB.

AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
ones & zeros.

Bill
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:39:09 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<00bf01c7cfa8$2ab8d4c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AE@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Yes to all, even bicyclists use AMBs.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Scott Janzen
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 10:12 AM
To: steve; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and
local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not
> inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part
> of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's
> lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name
> and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder
> unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old
> stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to
> pay to play.
>
> ~S
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>>
>>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>>individual devices/racers
>>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>>group
>>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>>
>>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>>a system like AMB.
>>
>>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>>ones & zeros.
>>
>>Bill
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu Jul 26 18:04:24 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:04:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brad or Susan
Message-ID: <NJEDLIPPPIKINBMDJOPBEEMGCAAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

Sorry for the off topic post.
 
Brad or Susan Kahler, please contact me off list.
 
Thanks
 
Ken Gano


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 19:32:33 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<002b01c7cf8d$c3896bd0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <004001c7cfee$138751f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

yeh - but she is still famous
Bruce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Susan Kahler" 
<spitfiresuz at 141.com>; "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; 
<Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around 
> to defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.
>
> Ed 


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 19:35:19 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:35:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <c80.15eb76f5.33da09b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c7cfee$78db42f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

maybe you are right - Brick is the only one of us old enough to have been in
that picture.
Bruce

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: fogbro1 at comcast.net ; stutzmans at comcast.net ; spitfiresuz at 141.com ;
S.Janzen at comcast.net ; Fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


  In a message dated 07/26/2007 9:06:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:



    Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around
to
    defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.




  That's probably what blew the top off that TR4.

  Bill (Damdinger)

  PS...That picture is proudly displayed in our shop as well.  Incidentally,
we always maintained that the driver in that picture is Don Brick.  Could be!



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From Herald948 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 19:45:01 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:45:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
Message-ID: <cc2.147a305f.33daa81d@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2007 2:57:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ryoung at navcomtech.com writes:

The  early Lockheed clutch slaves are NLA AFAIK, but not too hard to
substitute  a later unit.  You may need a different hose & the bracket from  a
later car tho, I don't remember offhand what all I did.  But I did  it and it
worked fine for me.


==AM==
Possibly a moot point here, but Moss Europe advertises (in TR Action,  the TR 
Register magazine) a new reproduction of the Lockheed slave cylinder.  
Presumably this part could make its way to Moss USA?  

--Andy   Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus   (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and  Triumph Herald 
Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 




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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri Jul 27 13:19:10 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] cam followers
Message-ID: <200707271919.l6RJJNFm021615@ns3.geneseo.net>

Does anybody know the source for ceramic cam followers for the TR4 engine?

uncle jack 



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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 27 13:49:40 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <BAY115-F122019528916DE0621F5598CF30@phx.gbl>

Yes, we use this expensive POS in motorcycle racing (AHRMA, WERA).

Shane Ingate, soon to be moving to New Mexico

Scott Janzen wrote:
>OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and
>local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 15:47:19 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
Message-ID: <002301c7d097$b5060c20$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Nice looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR4-IRS-1967-vintage-race-ready-car-no
-reserve_W0QQitemZ250145473752QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1Q
QcmdZViewItem


From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 27 16:33:48 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:33:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
Message-ID: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?




I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,  I 
knew Barry had it though.
If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 27 17:24:24 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010a01c7d0a5$44bac2e0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I recall seeing this car at the 2005 Mitty. It is very well prepared and as
I recall it was competitive too. It's nicer than the photos.
NFI at all.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: <Fubog1 at aol.com>
To: <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
>
>
>
>
> I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,
I
> knew Barry had it though.
> If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
> Glen


From alan at nosbritishparts.com  Fri Jul 27 21:05:06 2007
From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <010a01c7d0a5$44bac2e0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <683315.61338.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I drove the #24 car for Barry Rosenberg  for many years. It is the ex Jim Ealy TR4. It is one of the most perfect examples of a TR4 in existence. All the years it was raced it avoided body damage. I don't think it ever even got a tire mark. The only damage it got was when Jim Ealy loaded it on the trailer and bumped the bonnet. He towed it to the track behind a Lincoln MKIV. The trailer was a double axle on Jaguar Series I E-type wire wheels. 
 Barry changed the rear axles to CV joints and it totally changed the way the car went down the back straight at Road Atlanta. Can you imagine a TR4 that doesn't vibrate?? The car was silk smooth. It has a CR J-type OD that you can shift as quick as you want. 
 I see my name is still on the drivers door making me believe that it has not been raced since the 2005 Mitty. Somebody on the list should have this car. I wish I was in a position to grab it but I have too many already. Feel free to e-mail me for more info.

Alan Taylor   

Jerry Van  Vlack <jerryvv at adelphia.net> wrote: I recall seeing this car at the 2005 Mitty. It is very well prepared and as
I recall it was competitive too. It's nicer than the photos.
NFI at all.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: 
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
>
>
>
>
> I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,
I
> knew Barry had it though.
> If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
> Glen
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 27 22:03:56 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:03:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46AAC02C.9050501@bradakis.com>

Looks like a nice car, though it no doubt needs some work.
And that trailer is WAY too small.

Normally I would say that being the underemployed bum that
I am these days I could never afford such a car.  This week, though,
I wonder.  The current bid on the car and trailer is not much more than
the loss my retirement fund suffered this last week thanks to the stock
market.  That money is just gone, vanished, poof.  Had I sold some
of that stock and purchased this car, it would still be an entry in the
asset column...

Ain't hindsight fun?

mjb.


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 22:13:51 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
  <46AAC02C.9050501@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c7d0cd$ba9d42d0$6401a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

look at it this way. You are still way up for the year in the market (so 
far).  and yes, race cars always need some work.  We'd be bored otherwise.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> Looks like a nice car, though it no doubt needs some work.
> And that trailer is WAY too small.
>
> Normally I would say that being the underemployed bum that
> I am these days I could never afford such a car.  This week, though,
> I wonder.  The current bid on the car and trailer is not much more than
> the loss my retirement fund suffered this last week thanks to the stock
> market.  That money is just gone, vanished, poof.  Had I sold some
> of that stock and purchased this car, it would still be an entry in the
> asset column...
>
> Ain't hindsight fun?
>
> mjb.
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sat Jul 28 14:26:01 2007
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:26:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB placement
Message-ID: <46ABA659.60602@cyberspeedway.net>

Group,
      I had occasion to do some investigating with the AMB transponders 
for our SCCA region. I built an antenna loop in the driveway and 
measured the signal strength with an oscilloscope. AMB's directions are 
mostly OK but I found some improvements. The signal is broadcast in a 
cone shape and we are trying not to affect it.

     1. The signal is best between 12" and 18" above the track.
     2. Mounting the transponder against a metal plane like a firewall or
        inner fender panel tilts the cone away from the panel.
     3. Trying to go through fiberglass does somewhat restrict the
        signal.
     4. Don't try to aim the transponder through a hole as this greatly
        attenuates the signal.
     5. If you have to go through a horizontal panel, place the end of
        the transponder through the panel about 1/2".

     Hope this might help somebody.
     Greg Lund


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat Jul 28 20:31:32 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:31:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 8, Issue 41
Message-ID: <cb2.174b8cb1.33dd5604@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/28/2007 11:00:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:10 -0500
> From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
> Subject: [Fot] cam followers
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <200707271919.l6RJJNFm021615 at ns3.geneseo.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Does anybody know the source for ceramic cam followers for the TR4 engine?
> 
> uncle jack 

Yes.

Sorry, try Bill Babcock, I am sure he knows!

Leon

    
    
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From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 29 05:42:55 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:42:55 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070725052821.A392C1879F5@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070729114319.52EE81879BB@autox.team.net>

Hi All,

Just got to this thread today; I have been out of contact due to pressure of
work, etc.

At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
Tony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which
gave me the balance that I was comfortable with. Given that I know that both
Tony and I run different suspension settings all I can suggest is that you
do some testing and find pressures that work for you.

Btw, I ran a 2:51 at RA which was slightly slower (a couple of seconds) than
Tony so you might want to follow his lead if you are building a truly quick
car.

Cheers, Keith.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Tony Drews
Sent: 25 July 2007 06:27
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

You want at least that much camber in the front - I had about 2 1/2 
degrees.  You want the pressures to be in the 40 to 42 range hot.  I 
ran 36 psi front and 34 psi rear with a solid axle TR-4.

- Tony Drews

At 10:40 PM 7/24/2007, James Gray wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
>an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>Thanks again for the help,
>Jim Gray
>Newbie to the RMVR
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 12:11:05 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:11:05 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
Message-ID: <ccd.17a1ecf3.33de3239@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than  T
ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which  gave 
me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24 pou
nds
in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire pressures
after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi, and RR=28 psi.
The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the pressures after the
tires cool, write down these readings, and start with these pressures for the
next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove the NASCAR series one year
told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 15:09:25 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:09:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Manifold Flange
Message-ID: <d5b.d8e3863.33de5c05@aol.com>

Amici...

We need to make a new stainless steel exhaust manifold for our THUNDER BOLT.  
We've got all of the tubing we need, and the existing to work from, but we 
like to have a new stainless steel TR flange to start with.  

Anyone know where I can get one?

Bill Dentinger
   


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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sun Jul 29 18:36:29 2007
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:36:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction
Message-ID: <46AD328D.5020407@cyberspeedway.net>

Sorry,
        I thought about the height dimensions I listed yesterday and the 
low dimension didn't seem right. I listed the low optimum dimension as 
12" but I looked at my notes and down to 6" is OK. A mind is a terrrible 
thing.
Greg Lund


From budscars at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 19:30:43 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction
References: <46AD328D.5020407@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <003c01c7d249$41802070$e58cb304@Bud>

Hi Gang..the transponder on my Spitfire is mounted with the bottom about 7" 
off the ground..It's attached to the frame with 2 cable ties on the left 
side about 7" from the very front of the frame ..Mine is the 'wired in 
type'..I have not heard of any probs with wired in transponders..I know 
several people who have had the chargeable ones fail..and then the 
replacements fail...I see no advantage to the re-chargeable type.If you want 
to transfer a wired in transponder from one car to another..it's easy to 
just use some snap connectors, etc..Is there an advantage to the charge up 
type that I don't know about?
Thanks
Racer Bud
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From: "greg" <gtlund at cyberspeedway.net>
To: "FOT LIST" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction


> Sorry,
>        I thought about the height dimensions I listed yesterday and the
> low dimension didn't seem right. I listed the low optimum dimension as
> 12" but I looked at my notes and down to 6" is OK. A mind is a terrrible
> thing.
> Greg Lund
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 30 07:56:03 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:56:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <ccd.17a1ecf3.33de3239@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966B7@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I check hot tire pressures, and correlate it to cold later, but that's just so
I can predict what cold pressure will result in what hot. I don't know of any
reason to equalize tire pressures that way. When you read tire temperatures
you always find one or two wheels that are a lot colder than the others,
usually because of the nature of the track. When I find a tire that's running
a lot hotter on a given track I pay closer attention to the difference between
center and inside edge temperatures. That hard working tire will affect
handling a lot, and getting the temperature spread across the tire to be equal
will often improve lap times.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of
WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 11:11 AM
To: keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
T
ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which  gave
me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24
pou
nds
in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire pressures
after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi, and RR=28
psi.
The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the pressures after
the
tires cool, write down these readings, and start with these pressures for the
next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove the NASCAR series one year
told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul 30 12:14:21 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
Message-ID: <200707301814.l6UIEXWk149063@ns3.geneseo.net>

A friend in Germany is looking for a diff bump stop. This is the part 
that bolts to the body sheet metal, directly over the nose of the 
diff, and has a rubber part that hangs down and under certain 
conditions contacts the diff. Does anyone have one, or know of a 
source for one?

Thanks

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Jul 30 12:45:12 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:45:12 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
Message-ID: <d39.f75a641.33df8bb8@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/30/2007 1:15:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes:


> A friend in Germany is looking for a diff bump stop. This is the part 
> that bolts to the body sheet metal, directly over the nose of the 
> diff, and has a rubber part that hangs down and under certain 
> conditions contacts the diff. Does anyone have one, or know of a 
> source for one?
> 

Nein.

Wilhelm



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 16:13:42 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966B7@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <002501c7d2f6$e4c59410$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I used to do a lot of engineering and chassis tuning for one of the top Club
FF teams here in the Northwest.  That was back when 25-30 car fields were
the norm.
 If you were working with a driver that could run at the front of this field
(staying in the lead draft), then fine tuning of the tire pressures was a
must.  We'd adjust to 1/2 PSI. If the driver was a couple of seconds off the
pace, they couldn't tell the difference of a couple of PSI as long as the
balance was close.

Of course this was on bias ply tires.  I've heard that radials are more
forgiving, but I think we need to hear from a tire engineer to be sure of
that.

The other thing that was needed was to purge the tires with dry nitrogen.
Otherwise there was no consistency, particularily here in the NW with our
moist air.

Like Bill says below, we'd check the pressure hot and then see what it
dropped to when cold to get a good starting spot.  The best way to check hot
is during a practice session coming in straight off a hot lap, same as tire
temps.  We used the wear pattern as much if not more than the pyrometer to
determine camber settings.

Finally, if a car looses it's balance and the normal adjustments don't seem
to work right, it's time for new tires.  It's impossible to set up a car on
bad rubber.

Jim Norlin


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:56 AM
To: WEmery7451 at aol.com; keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com;
toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


I check hot tire pressures, and correlate it to cold later, but that's just
so I can predict what cold pressure will result in what hot. I don't know of
any reason to equalize tire pressures that way. When you read tire
temperatures you always find one or two wheels that are a lot colder than
the others, usually because of the nature of the track. When I find a tire
that's running a lot hotter on a given track I pay closer attention to the
difference between center and inside edge temperatures. That hard working
tire will affect handling a lot, and getting the temperature spread across
the tire to be equal will often improve lap times.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of
WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 11:11 AM
To: keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
T ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which
gave me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24
pou nds in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire
pressures after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi,
and RR=28 psi. The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the
pressures after the tires cool, write down these readings, and start with
these pressures for the next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove
the NASCAR series one year told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jul 30 16:21:08 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:21:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Convertible top needed for 74 Spitfire
Message-ID: <20070730222155.9A4ED1879E3@autox.team.net>

Hi fellow FOT members.
My son, Drew, drives a 1974 Spitfire. His car runs well but is in need of a
new convertible top- black is prefered.  As a college student and a Triumph
owner  he is short of bucks. If anyone has a used but still servicable vinyl
top they are willing to sell I would appreciate it. If not I'll help him
bite the bullet and order a new one.
Thanks to all,
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM


From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Mon Jul 30 19:46:39 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:46:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paging Irv Korey
Message-ID: <17616431.2096171185846399344.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net>

Irv;
     Please send me an E-Mail. I have lost my address book.

Dean


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 19:53:49 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
References: <200707301814.l6UIEXWk149063@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<200707302022.29534.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <002301c7d315$a3aff460$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

I recall Jerry Van Vlack pointing out the bump stop on a TR4 straight axle 
frame. TR3's never had then. Did both TR4's and 4A's have them?

Ed Woods 


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 22:54:35 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:54:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fund raisers for High Plains Raceway
Message-ID: <001301c7d32e$e4baeb40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

It seems to me if High Plains is to really get off the ground ( so to
speak ) fundraisers need to be happening now. I didn't see any plans to
raise
funds on the website other than simply asking for donations. Every car
club in the region should be contacted and fund raising events planned. 
Only $ 850K has been raised out of a goal of $ 3 million. If this kind
of money is to be raised it must be sought out.
I heard somewhere that Adele Arakawa was a racer so I did a quick search
and found she has been active in Porsche and BMW events.
She is very well connected and may be a good resource for fund raising.
There are also plenty of car dealerships in the area that are active in
some 
way in motor sports and may help host some form of fund raising effort
or event.
I personally don't know anyone at CAMA but I would gladly volunteer to
assist with any real fund raising efforts.
 This is an excerpt from Adele Arakawa's bio
As for hobbies, Adele and her husband are avid golfers. The entire
family also enjoys racing cars. Adele is a certified driving instructor
for the Rocky Mountain Region Porsche Club, and holds Club Racing
license with PCA, racing in venues such as Daytona International
Speedway, Las Vegas Motor Speedway and Barbar Motorsports Park. 
 
http://www.9news.com/company/bios/article.aspx?storyid=69840
 
http://www.highplainsraceway.com/capital-campaign.html
 
Any ideas from the membership ?
 
Jim Gray
RMVR newbie


From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul  1 23:32:54 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:32:54 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>

Some random FOT driver in the grid:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg

Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
some, uh, debris coming off course:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

mjb.


From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 06:16:16 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 08:16:16 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7bca2$d0db8640$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Nice job Mark
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:32 AM
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller


> Some random FOT driver in the grid:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg
>
> Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
> up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
> some, uh, debris coming off course:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg
>
>
> Congratulations Chuck.
>
> mjb.
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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  2 08:55:16 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 07:55:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <810860.43427.qm@web58909.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

That's one fancy vortex generator on the back of that Spitfire.  Good job Chuck.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:  

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 09:38:48 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 11:38:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
Message-ID: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>

Guys,

I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance 
Triumph lovers to miss.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a 
bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?

Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in 
Maryland

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul  2 10:01:09 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 10:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <46892145.9000809@bradakis.com>

Wow.  Wonder why the seller calls it a TR6?

mjb.


From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 10:21:32 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:21:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

That car pops up from time to time on these lists.  I personally would not
feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
and so narrow of a track.

It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an accident
just waiting to happen.

Joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> Guys,
>
> I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance
> Triumph lovers to miss.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>
> I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a
> bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?
>
> Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in
> Maryland


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 10:25:39 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:25:39 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F4043A88B08E5C053205D1ED20D0@phx.gbl>

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11

"Nothing exceeds like excess..."

        -Virgil Exner

"Hokey Smokes!"

       -R.J. Squirrel

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From chasgee at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 10:35:03 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:35:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks Mark.? We had a great weekend with nine Triumphs attending.? It was an honor to receive the Cup this year.

We missed our brethren from the Midwest and east...hopefully next time.

Thanks to Kas and Peggy for making the trip and pouring the champagne.? It wouldn't be a Kastner Cup event without them.

Kudos to to Greg Hilyer from New Mexico!? He campaigned a very fast TR4 and also shellacked us on the go cart track.? We also nominated and seconded him in person for FOT membership with Mark Bradakis present (an official, unofficial ceremony), so Mark, please add him to the list.? His email is lunkercars at earthlink.net.? Greg, when you get some time, please tell us more about yourself.

All in all, a great time at a fantastic facility with great friends.? I'm sure there will be pictures to follow.

Chuck Gee
Blacksmith Racing
Spitfire


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J. Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:32 pm
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller



Some random FOT driver in the grid:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg

Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's a close
up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
some, uh, debris coming off course:

http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg


Congratulations Chuck.

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jul  2 10:35:37 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707021234470.10082-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007, Joe Curry wrote:

> That car pops up from time to time on these lists.  I personally would not
> feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
> and so narrow of a track.
> 
> It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an accident
> just waiting to happen.

But I'd bet you could tweak it to get into the 10's.

:-)

Oh - you want it to TURN. That's different!

 
> Joe


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From herald948 at aol.com  Mon Jul  2 10:47:31 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:47:31 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
	<002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <8C98ADFD14E8475-BF0-5C6@webmail-de20.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>

It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well ve an 
accident
just waiting to happen.

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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Mon Jul  2 11:28:06 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 13:28:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
Message-ID: <380-2200771217286306@M2W030.mail2web.com>

That's funny--last time it was on eBay (a couple years ago?), it was a
Spitfire!

The Amazing Morphing Triumph!

Susan    :)

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  2 11:56:04 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (SHANE Ingate)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:56:04 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002801c7bcc5$0d813820$2d02a8c0@Belkin>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F25913F0F95D9C934FD1E568C0D0@phx.gbl>

Joe Curry wrote:
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>I personally would not
>feel comfortable sitting behind the wheel of anything with that much power
>and so narrow of a track.
>It surely can't be very stable at speed and could very well be an accident
>just waiting to happen.

That just about describes all Triumphs ever made!  =80

So tell me again why you put a S2000 motor into the Spit, rather than
a Spit motor into a S2000?  ;)

Shane Ingate, wanting to say "I'm afraid to drive it", in Maryland

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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  2 12:35:41 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:35:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F135B26068036C05044BAA28C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c7bcd7$cb643100$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Shane did you put a BID on that?
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> Guys,
>
> I don't normally do this, but this eBay item is too cool for performance
> Triumph lovers to miss.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180135555785&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11
>
> I think I could live with this, but why go with a 'Merican V8?  Why not a
> bored and stroked supercharged Jag V8?
>
> Shane Ingate, too few pennies, too small a garage, too many ideas, in
> Maryland
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 13:42:55 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:42:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay
References: <BAY115-F25913F0F95D9C934FD1E568C0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005101c7bce1$300efaa0$2d02a8c0@Belkin>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SHANE Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com>
To: <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Cool Triumph hotrod frankenstein on eBay


> So tell me again why you put a S2000 motor into the Spit, rather than
> a Spit motor into a S2000?  ;)


It was to WIN.  Being in a class that was being dominated by Lotus 7 clones
with any engine under 2 liters in size, and weighing 1000 popunds, I wanted
to see if I could get a Spitfire to be competitive.

And I found out that the answer is NO.  Despite all the modifications the
weight difference was too great to make up and I could not take enough
weight off my car to get down to their level.  So I just converted the car
to Street legality and am now enjoying freeway driving in it.  (And playing
with the occasional Corevtte)~  :)

Joe


From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  2 16:04:12 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller, Kas Kup
In-Reply-To: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200707022204.l62M4IV8026215@ns3.geneseo.net>

Congratulations, Chuck, on a well deserved award. As recipient #1 
several years ago, like you, I consider receiving a cup from Kastner 
as one of the very high points in my racing career.



uncle jack 



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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 16:31:10 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:31:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
Message-ID: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?

 

I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.

 

The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
driver.

 

The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.

 

Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
one.

 

Cheers,

Joe C.


From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul  2 17:56:35 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2007 16:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <20070703000511.MHVI1204.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

This video has the first 2 minutes of the coverage. The crash between 
teammates at the start and then the huge wreck at the 50 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASM74TUKFUM

Some slo-mo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TNUhLFjzBY&NR=1

At 03:31 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:
>Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?
>
>
>
>I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.
>
>
>
>The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
>at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
>them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
>so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
>on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
>driver.
>
>
>
>The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
>circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
>knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
>wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.
>
>
>
>Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
>one.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Joe C.
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From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jul  2 19:18:45 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:18:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Curry<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
  To: fot at Autox.Team.Net<mailto:fot at Autox.Team.Net>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday


  Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?



  I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.



  The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
  at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going
around
  them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
  so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
  on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
  driver.



  The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
  circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
  knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
  wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.



  Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
  one.



  Cheers,

  Joe C.
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul  2 19:22:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:22:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Now I remember why I don't race open wheel cars.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Curry<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
  To: fot at Autox.Team.Net<mailto:fot at Autox.Team.Net>
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM
  Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday


  Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?



  I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.



  The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking
maneuver
  at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going
around
  them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.
I was
  so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming
down
  on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of
the
  driver.



  The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off
the
  circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
  knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled
the
  wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.



  Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not
this
  one.



  Cheers,

  Joe C.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 19:57:24 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 18:57:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
References: <000601c7bcf8$b0bc24e0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>
	<BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c7bd15$808b3c80$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

That one was in the F1 race later in the day

 

Joe

 

  _____  

From: Fred & Mary Hodgson [mailto:stlnyc at msn.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

 

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!

 

Fred Hodgson

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Joe <mailto:spitlist at cox.net>  Curry 

To: fot at Autox.Team.Net 

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:31 PM

Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

 

Did  anyone else happen to catch the French GP2 race yesterday?

 

I recorded it and started to watch it after work today.

 

The front row had teammates who both decided to execute a blocking maneuver
at the start (only in opposite directions)  to keep anyone from going around
them and ended up taking each other out with no other cars involved.  I was
so stunned that I almost missed another car going airborne and coming down
on top of the retaining wall on the car's right side just in front of the
driver.

 

The race was stopped and then restarted after the mess was cleaned off the
circuit.  During pit stops one driver hit one of his pit crew members
knocking him down but apparently he will be ok.  The driver who scaled the
wall is apparently ok but his car is broken severely.

 

Usually GP2 races tend to be bordering on boring, but certainly not this
one.

 

Cheers,

Joe C.
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jul  2 20:07:15 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:07:15 -0700
Subject: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
References: <BAY104-DAV17CEC1A5A09D61CE391949DA0C0@phx.gbl>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096857@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <001901c7bd16$e0a3f480$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

Bill,
That beer can on wheels that you drive ain't all that far removed from open
wheel racing!  :)

Joe C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock [mailto:BillB at bnj.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:23 PM
To: Fred & Mary Hodgson; fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: RE: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Now I remember why I don't race open wheel cars.  

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Fred & Mary Hodgson
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:19 PM
To: fot at Autox.Team.Net; Joe Curry
Subject: Re: [Fot] GP2 Race on Sunday

Also, one of the drivers left his pit before they got the fuel hose
disconnected & took it with him!


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Tue Jul  3 19:11:22 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 19:11:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
Message-ID: <20070703.191123.-215201.4.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Hey everyone,
Hope all had a good time at Miller. That was a very well turned out
collection of TRs. Quite impressive.
I really wanted to get a closer look at Steve's GT-6, as well as hear it
at full chat. Sorry your weekend did not go well, Steve. Bummed I missed
Kas, as well. Still looking forward to meeting the man.
How did the Split Start format work out for everyone, from your
perspective?
I'll pass along any ideas, suggestions, criticisms, to help make NR
events better.
There is a Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing event in September, 7-9, in
Hastings, Nebraska. Close to the centre of America, this is the second
RMVR event at that facility. See www.rmvr.com for details. 
Great meeting those of you I got to meet. Hope to see all ya all soon.
Bill


From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul  3 22:14:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 21:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get deep
into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of what
I'm getting into.

Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to drop by
Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on the
outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.

We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.

Bill


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 07:02:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 09:02:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
References: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c7be3b$989c8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I'll be loading up today to head out tomorrow with my GT6.  What's the 
paddock area like - plenty of room?  Any electrical power?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP


> Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
> Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get 
> deep
> into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of 
> what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to 
> drop by
> Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on 
> the
> outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.
>
> We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.
>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 08:36:39 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 07:36:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP
References: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096670@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
	<003b01c7be3b$989c8190$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096671@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Big paddock but very limited power. I set up close to one of the few power
sources but I won't be surprised if they make me move. I tried to get to the
outside edge of likely official space, but we'll see.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Janzen [mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net]
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 6:02 AM
To: Bill Babcock; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP

I'll be loading up today to head out tomorrow with my GT6.  What's the
paddock area like - plenty of room?  Any electrical power?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun and PVGP


> Peyote and Nero are safely ensconced at BeaveRun, looks like a fun track.
> Short, lots of elevation changes, and corners you can see before you get
> deep
> into them. I'm going to look at Schenly Park tomorrow to get some idea of
> what
> I'm getting into.
>
> Any FOTers that are going to either BeaveRun or PVGP please be sure to
> drop by
> Nero. It's pretty easy to find. It's starting to look a little funky on
> the
> outside--I need to wash the 6000 miles of bugs and dust off pretty soon.
>
> We'll have adult beverages and probably do a few movie nights.
>
> Bill
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Wed Jul  4 09:52:42 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:52:42 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling
Message-ID: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALOEGHEIAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

I am trying to diagnosis an on going problem with my TR3 cooling system.  It
would be very helpful to have some baseline numbers on the heat gain from
a stock system.

What I am interested in is how quickly a stock system gains heat at a stand
still idle.  Could anyone (or everyone :-)) note the ambient temperature and
how many minutes it takes your car to reach say 170, 180 and 190?   If you
were otherwise doing tuning work, it should just be a matter of writing down
the information and forwarding it.

I will be at Summer Party and VTR with a digital thermometer and asking
anyone willing to let me take some measurements and will be happy to post
the results thereafter.  My thought is that the bigger the sample, the
better.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Gano


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From Cofrog at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 10:41:46 2007
From: Cofrog at aol.com (Cofrog at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:41:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.  
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking 
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000 
but it seems to have dead  ended.
 
What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle 
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission 
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the 
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
 
Thanks,
 
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 12:28:41 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2007 18:28:41 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <070420071828.22987.468BE6D9000EB742000059CB2200750438970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Cofrog at aol.com 

> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an MGB. 
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed it. In looking 
> over the archives, there was some activity regarding scatter shields in 2000 
> but it seems to have dead ended. 
> 
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source. I see Uncle 
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the transmission 
> cover inside the car. Others feel that the shield needs to wrap around the 
> whole bell housing. Thoughts? 

I was behind a TR2 whose clutch exploded. The flying shrapnel and debris was everywhere, and the driver had some serious injuries (no scattershield). The complaint that some have about wrapping the tranny is that it holds heat, and we know that's not good. My solution was to use Uncle Jack's scattershield along with a kevlar blanket that does not fully wrap the tranny, just the 180 degrees closest to my leg and foot. Fortunately, I have never had to test its effectiveness.
Irv Korey


From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 15:35:58 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:35:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling
References: <EKEHJBHMMPCALNOKNPALOEGHEIAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096673@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I don't have a stock cooling system, but I know the numbers for what I have. I
hit 190 from ambient in three minutes when the outside temp is less than 100.
If I turn on the electric fan then, it stays at 190. Otherwise it reaches 220
in four minutes.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Ken Gano, home
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 8:52 AM
To: Friends of Triumph; Triumph List
Subject: [Fot] TR3 cooling

I am trying to diagnosis an on going problem with my TR3 cooling system.  It
would be very helpful to have some baseline numbers on the heat gain from
a stock system.

What I am interested in is how quickly a stock system gains heat at a stand
still idle.  Could anyone (or everyone :-)) note the ambient temperature and
how many minutes it takes your car to reach say 170, 180 and 190?   If you
were otherwise doing tuning work, it should just be a matter of writing down
the information and forwarding it.

I will be at Summer Party and VTR with a digital thermometer and asking
anyone willing to let me take some measurements and will be happy to post
the results thereafter.  My thought is that the bigger the sample, the
better.

Thanks in advance.

Ken Gano


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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul  4 15:38:23 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 14:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096674@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

What I have is a steel plate in the area next to the flywheel. What I'd like
is a oil and grease resistant kevlar blanket for the entire transmission. But
I'm ok with just the plate and a limited imagination.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 9:41 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From Malaboge at aol.com  Wed Jul  4 15:59:46 2007
From: Malaboge at aol.com (Malaboge at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 17:59:46 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <bc9.1551a384.33bd7252@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/4/07 9:42:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Cofrog at aol.com 
writes:

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle 
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission 
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the 
whole bell housing.  Thoughts

Thankfully I have never had to test a scattershield...
That being said I once owned a nationally competitive production car from a 
big name factory supported team that had a piece of about 1"x1"x4" angle iron 
bolted to the bottom corner of the battery tray above the trans and on the 
passengers side of the car!  Useful?...only for passing SCCA tech.
 
I have favored a piece of about 10 or 12 ply conveyer belt that can be 
wrapped around the trans/engine interface and extend to the rear as far as you like. 
(Usually about 8" to 10" rearward) You could make this a 360 degree fitting 
if desired. Its fairly liteweight, easy to manipulate and hopefully strong 
enough to stop any itinerant fragments.  OK. it won't stop a 9mm at about 1100fps 
but will a cluster gear reach that velocity?
 
Still with all my toes and hopin to keep em that way...
                         Nick in Nor Cal



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 19:35:01 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
In-Reply-To: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7bea4$b53fcdc0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm running a custom built scattershield on my Spitfire that is made from
1/4 inch mild steel plate which conforms to GCR requirements.  It was hand
fabricated from two pieces using a big torch and a big hammer and welded
together.  It covers from the rear engine plate back several inches and from
below the starter bendix around just past vertical so it protects the
drivers feet.  It's bolted to the rear of the engine using two of the
bellhousing bolts.  The scattershield is out of the car right now as is the
engine and gearbox, and I can take some photos and send them to anyone
interested.  While I have not tried it out with a clutch

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.

I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle

Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the

whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul  4 19:38:44 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW:  Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <000701c7bea5$39d52620$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

Sorry about that.  Darn laptop sends off e-mails before I'm done with them.

Anyway, I haven't had a clutch explosion, but I was sure glad to have the
scattershield back in '78 when I sheared the flywheel bolts coming down thru
the esses at Sears Point.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: Norlin Engineering [mailto:norlinengineering at comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Cofrog at aol.com'; 'FOT at Autox.Team.Net'
Subject: RE: [Fot] Scatter Shields


I'm running a custom built scattershield on my Spitfire that is made from
1/4 inch mild steel plate which conforms to GCR requirements.  It was hand
fabricated from two pieces using a big torch and a big hammer and welded
together.  It covers from the rear engine plate back several inches and from
below the starter bendix around just past vertical so it protects the
drivers feet.  It's bolted to the rear of the engine using two of the
bellhousing bolts.  The scattershield is out of the car right now as is the
engine and gearbox, and I can take some photos and send them to anyone
interested.  While I have not tried it out with a clutch

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Cofrog at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB.

I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle

Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the

whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  4 19:43:32 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:43:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <000601c7bea4$b53fcdc0$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000c01c7bea5$e5988dd0$0301000a@Chowdown>

Coincidentally, I was just cleaning my scatter shield  today, it's out of 
the car along with the trans tunnel.
Mine was made by "Trans-Dapt" and looks to be 3/4" thick belted rubber with 
angled steel brackets that bolt it to the frame.
 I don't think this piece is being made anymore.  If anyone wants a photo, 
email me and I'll send one.  It's actually very cool.

~Steve


From billsohl at optonline.net  Thu Jul  5 06:33:53 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (billsohl at optonline.net)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
Message-ID: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>

Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.

Thanks,

Bill Sohl 


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Thu Jul  5 06:55:17 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:55:17 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096674@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <005201c7bf03$bdc4b1e0$5111efdc@co3017577a>

One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the straight at
Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and dumped the fragments in the
passenger footwell . No shield just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky
guy. Our regs in Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics
Geoff Byrne
TR6 down under
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <Cofrog at aol.com>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> What I have is a steel plate in the area next to the flywheel. What I'd
like
> is a oil and grease resistant kevlar blanket for the entire transmission.
But
> I'm ok with just the plate and a limited imagination.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Cofrog at aol.com
> Sent: Wed 7/4/2007 9:41 AM
> To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
>
> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an
MGB.
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In
looking
> over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in
2000
> but it seems to have dead  ended.
>
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see
Uncle
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the
transmission
> cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around
the
> whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul  5 07:21:12 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:21:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <20070705132144.DEB3F1879D7@autox.team.net>

On Fox, 1:00 pm eastern.

- Tony

At 07:33 AM 7/5/2007, billsohl at optonline.net wrote:
>Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
>coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
>The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Sohl


From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jul  5 07:34:03 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 07:34:03 -0600
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
Message-ID: <20070705.073404.-302133.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

Bill,
I'm seeing it on the Dish schedule on FOX, 11:00 AM MDT. 
Bill

On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 12:33:53 +0000 (GMT) billsohl at optonline.net writes:
> Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British 
> GP this
> coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time 
> conversion right.
> The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV 
> coverage info.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill Sohl 
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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jul  5 08:14:32 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:14:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
In-Reply-To: <005201c7bf03$bdc4b1e0$5111efdc@co3017577a>
Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F9C9@server.Triumph.local>

Geoff,

Do you know what kind of clutch it was that exploded?

Any chance it was it a stock finger-type TR2-4? I have heard of a couple
of those that have let go.

Anybody ever hear of a TR4A-6 diaphragm spring type clutch letting go?

PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoffrey Byrne
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields
>
> One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the
> straight at Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and
> dumped the fragments in the passenger footwell . No shield
> just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky guy. Our regs in
> Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics Geoff Byrne


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul  5 08:35:58 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:35:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <BAY115-F322416FC8581A57ADC5D5E8C020@phx.gbl>

Dan,

I am using the Uncle Jack item (bought at Carlisle some years ago).  It fits 
well and is hardly visible, especially when painted body color.  It intrudes 
very slightly on the throttle foot, but unless you have clown feet, it 
should not be a problem.  This shield will probably not give complete 
protection should the flywheel disintegrate.  Easiest to install when the 
dash is out of the car.

An alternative approach would be to wrap several layers of ballistic kevlar 
and epoxy around the housing.  Probably a better approach and easier to 
install if the tranny is out of the car, but a little ugly.

Shane Ingate in MD

Dan Fogarty wrote:

>What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see 
>Uncle Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  
>transmission cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  
>wrap around the whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Thu Jul  5 08:44:23 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 10:44:23 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4
Message-ID: <cb9.155dc9ad.33be5dc7@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/5/2007 7:18:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
> steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
> the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...

Is that due to direction of engine rotation? or is that a stupid thought?

Regards

Lion

owner of right-hand-steer Triumph.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Jul  5 09:00:59 2007
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 08:00:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net><20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7bf15$4c4076a0$2202a8c0@newcomputer>

It will be on FOX, just like the last 3 have.

Joe C.

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Behalf Of billsohl at optonline.net
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:34 AM
To: David W. Riddle
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?

Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.

Thanks,

Bill Sohl 
_______________________________________________


From dave at microworks.net  Thu Jul  5 09:12:08 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 08:12:08 -0700
Subject: [Fot] 7/8/07 - British GP - TV Coverage?
In-Reply-To: <e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
References: <1251682812_142442762@microworks.net>
	<20070630041801.RYJI17683.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>
	<e3cb99e41c0af.468ce531@optonline.net>
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The Candadian, US, French and British GP are broadcast time delayed 
on Fox but the Practice and Quali sessions are broadcast live on 
Speed.  Thankful this year the Speed crew is providing commentary

At 05:33 AM 7/5/2007, you wrote:

>Anyone knw what network or cable channel will be running the British GP this
>coming Sunday morning?  Should be at 8am if I did the time conversion right.
>The "official" Formula 1 web site doesn't seem to include TV coverage info.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill Sohl


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Thu Jul  5 10:22:17 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:22:17 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <BAY115-F322416FC8581A57ADC5D5E8C020@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01a101c7bf20$a7e96ce0$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


M. Dunst
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
626.358.1616 Voice
626.628.3777 Fax
GMT -8  Pacific


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Subject: [Fot] [Fwd: [cvar_general] Hallet promoter]
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>From the Tulsa World....


Hallett owner fulfilled life's passion

      LIFETIME IN RACING
      Mike Stephens: The Hallett Motor Racing Circuit promoter died at age 65
on June 23.




By GLENN HIBDON
7/4/2007


MIKE AND CONNIE Stephens were newlyweds 42 years ago when a vision was
formulized. Mike knew then where destiny was leading him.

"We talked about our dreams and he told me he was going to own a race track,"
said Connie. "He would draw pictures of it and I was like, 'Yeah, sure, Mike.
I hope you keep a real job.' In 1975 his father passed away and he bought a
race car three days later. He said, 'Life's too short,' and we've continued
gung ho from there."

Life was indeed too short for Mike Stephens, who died at age 65 on June 23
from an undiagnosed neurological disorder. His passion always centered around
road racing in general and Hallett Motor Racing Circuit in particular.

I remember a robust man who never passed up a chance to talk about the sport
he loved. His wife and sons, Shayne and Scott, were always by his side.

"I think without him Hallett would have ceased to exist," said Connie. "He
took it at a time when it was run down and he put his heart and soul into it.
Now that Shayne, Scott and I have it, we will work really hard too keep his
dream alive. He took a lifelong dream and made it happen and we will miss him
a whole bunch."

Mike began his racing career at Hallett and was involved in some way since the
track's opening in 1976. His sons were members of his pit crew at ages 10 and
7, and Connie saw her first race and worked a corner with Mike on their
honeymoon in 1965. He started his High Performance Driving School at Hallett
and began managing the facility in 1989. The family now owns the track.

Mike was a racer until the end, closing his career at Heartland Park in
Topeka, Kan., in June of 2006.

"He was hurting, but he needed to qualify," said Connie. "When he got off the
track he was placed in an ambulance and taken to a hospital. His colon had
burst and all the poison went through his system.

"He had emergency surgery at 2 a.m. on June 11. On June 11, 2005 we celebrated
our 40th anniversary and on June 11, 2007 he was in the hospital again. It's
been an odd couple of years and we've had to struggle so hard to do everything
to make it through this."

Mike had been in and out of the hospital for more than a year while medical
personnel attempted to diagnose the cause of his health problems. An autopsy
will be performed to determine the reason. Ironically, Mike's mother died
three days before he passed away.

In remembrance, Connie and her family have planned a celebration of Mike's
life to be held at the track on Wednesday starting at 5:30 p.m.

Stories will be shared by those who knew him and will feature the music of
Three Dog Night and Neil Diamond. Mike always played the songs "Sweet
Caroline" and "Joy to the World" before suiting up to race. The official
ceremony begins at 6:45 and a five-minute moment of silence will precede
Mike's ashes making a final lap of the track.

Around 8 p.m. the Finish Line Cafe will provide a cookout and fireworks will
follow at dark. Mike wouldn't have wanted it any

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From henry at henryfrye.com  Thu Jul  5 10:52:10 2007
From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 12:52:10 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <002e01c7bf24$d314676e$0210a8c0@Triumph.local>

I bought one of these and never installed it. Went a different route.

If anyone is interested in buying it, contact me offlist.

-----Original Message-----
From: "MDunst/Gasket Works" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/5/07 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


M. Dunst
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jul  5 12:34:46 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT t.shirts
Message-ID: <468D39C6.5070907@bright.net>

List members.  FOT t.shirts are ready to ship.  Price is $14.50 up to 
size XL. Add $1.50 for XXL & $3 for XXXL.  Price doesnot include 
shipping.   $4 from every shirt goes to FOT "general" fund. Shipping 
will be by mail.  If you want to pick up your shirts at the VTR 
convention, please let me know. I will have them there. You can pay by 
check or credit card.  Please call or email with payment method. 
 Thanks, Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jul  5 15:14:12 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:14:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <cc9.13f1d3dc.33bd27ca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004301c7bf49$71ca0010$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

The one in my car is the one my brother put in when he built it in 1971. The 
epitome of no-budget construction -- just a chunk of rubber conveyor belt 
bolted to the inside of the plastic aftermarket tunnel cover. Doesn't go all 
the way around, but I'm not really worried about something blowing out the 
right side. If the trans/clutch ever blew out the left side, I'm sure it 
would tear up that tunnel cover, but it would be the shield bruising my 
legs, not the shrapnel.

At least that's what I'm telling myself, and I'm sticking to the story. I 
probably solo more than race, but I've seen solo cars blow a trans too so 
still a good idea.

--Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cofrog at aol.com>
To: <FOT at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 11:41 AM
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an 
> MGB.
> I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In 
> looking
> over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 
> 2000
> but it seems to have dead  ended.
>
> What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see 
> Uncle
> Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the 
> transmission
> cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around 
> the
> whole bell housing.  Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan Forgey
>
>
>
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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 17:40:53 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 17:40:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
Message-ID: <C7E82D4A-92A0-422D-9FC7-6AA4B1882644@earthlink.net>

Same as above.


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Thu Jul  5 17:54:34 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Racing on TV
Message-ID: <000e01c7bf5f$d6e3cc40$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Hello All:

Don't know if you'all are aware of  www.tvracer.com  but I just learned of
this site.  It lists on a daily basis, all the racing on TV so you no longer
have to search through various cable and tv guides to find some racing action.

My wife will probably delete this site from my Favorites list!

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Thu Jul  5 18:37:06 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:37:06 EDT
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
Message-ID: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>

Hey Greg!  Welcome to the FOT!  After you do the Secret Pledge  and memorize 
all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll  then let you 
in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.   Oh, dang, you 
apparently know all that already.  Damn, OK; for a mere  29.95  we can give 
you all the tricks to enhance male performance and  improve stock market appeal. 
 But wait, there's more!  Never mind,  there's not more.  This is just us and 
we'll learn as much from you as we  offer. Fair enough?  Then Welcome to the  
FOT! 



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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Thu Jul  5 18:51:16 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:51:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>
References: <d0f.d95ed56.33bee8b2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <468D9204.9050104@141.com>

I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often!    ;)

Susan      :)

Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Greg!  Welcome to the FOT!  After you do the Secret Pledge  and memorize 
> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll  then let you 
> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.   Oh, dang, you 
> apparently know all that already.  Damn, OK; for a mere  29.95  we can give 
> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and  improve stock market appeal. 
>  But wait, there's more!  Never mind,  there's not more.  This is just us and 
> we'll learn as much from you as we  offer. Fair enough?  Then Welcome to the  
> FOT! 
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
>   

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From ehusmann53 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  5 19:58:31 2007
From: ehusmann53 at yahoo.com (Ernest Husmann)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <468D9204.9050104@141.com>
Message-ID: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't have any official types.

Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com> wrote:   I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often! ;)

Susan :)

Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and memorize 
> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll then let you 
> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires. Oh, dang, you 
> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we can give 
> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock market appeal. 
> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is just us and 
> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then Welcome to the 
> FOT! 
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
>
> 

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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Thu Jul  5 20:05:02 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:05:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <468DA34E.4000807@141.com>

Oh, no no no.  He would be the un-official greeter.  And he could convey 
the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the 
non-organization of the club. 

Ernest Husmann wrote:
> Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't 
> have any official types.
>
> */Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>/* wrote:
>
>     I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more often! ;)
>
>     Susan :)
>
>     Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>     > Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
>     memorize
>     > all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
>     then let you
>     > in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
>     Oh, dang, you
>     > apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
>     can give
>     > you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
>     market appeal.
>     > But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
>     just us and
>     > we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
>     Welcome to the
>     > FOT!
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > ************************************** See what's free at
>     http://www.aol.com.
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>     >
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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 20:55:25 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 20:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <468DA34E.4000807@141.com>
References: <408511.41963.qm@web58905.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<468DA34E.4000807@141.com>
Message-ID: <E0BD956C-4C8A-4D23-B341-858EEB652A55@earthlink.net>

That would be great as I am fairly confused already.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer

On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:

> Oh, no no no.  He would be the un-official greeter.  And he could  
> convey
> the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the
> non-organization of the club.
>
> Ernest Husmann wrote:
>> Would that make Steve the official greeter?  Cause the FOT doesn't
>> have any official types.
>>
>> */Susan Kahler <spitfiresuz at 141.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>     I think we need to let you welcome newbies to the list more  
>> often! ;)
>>
>>     Susan :)
>>
>>     Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>>> Hey Greg! Welcome to the FOT! After you do the Secret Pledge and
>>     memorize
>>> all 7 versions of the Secret Wink and backsided Handshake we'll
>>     then let you
>>> in to all the go fast tricks to make TR's run like Spitfires.
>>     Oh, dang, you
>>> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
>>     can give
>>> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
>>     market appeal.
>>> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
>>     just us and
>>> we'll learn as much from you as we offer. Fair enough? Then
>>     Welcome to the
>>> FOT!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ************************************** See what's free at
>>     http://www.aol.com.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>     --
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Jul  5 21:17:48 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 23:17:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <20070706031728.9F41B1879F0@autox.team.net>

I have one of Mordy's blankets on my TR-4A.  It's never been tested but I like
having it on there.  It has an added benefit in that at speed any oil lost
from the engine collects in the blanket and then forms a nice puddle on the
ground once I get back to the paddock.  Its been very helpful in chasing my
oil leaks.  Small puddle = normal.  Big puddle = problem.  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: 7/5/07 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

I bought one of these and never installed it. Went a different route.

If anyone is interested in buying it, contact me offlist.

-----Original Message-----
From: "MDunst/Gasket Works" <gasket.works at verizon.net>
Cc: "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: 7/5/07 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Some several years ago...   I took a TR4 tranny to Diest safety (they have
been making these ballistic fabric scatter shields for years) and had
several made up to fit the TR3/4/6 bellhousing and box.   I can't recall how
many people ordered them .  They were easy to apply and had an SFI
designation.


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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  5 18:21:39 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:21:39 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>

Hello to Chuck and all,
What a blast at Miller!
As I said to you, Kas,et al., It is the resume part that has kept me
from applying for FoT membership. To Larry Young in particular...
thanks for your nomination earlier this year at Hallett - sorry I
didn't respond but the bio/resume part but me off a bit and I wasn't
quite sure how to go from there. Thanks again Larry for lending me a
ballast resistor - after smoking two Pertronics now, I [now] only run
points! Also thanks to Mark and Chuck for the official nomination and
second. On to the boring stuff about myself:

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
323 Claremont Ave NW Suite K
Albuquerque N.M. 87107
505-345-2055

45 years old [young?]
Currently living "off the grid" [solar power only] in the mountains
[7200+ feet] between Santa Fe and Albuquerque.
Spent my first 26 years in the Seattle area.
After childhood immersion in sportscars [thanks to my long departed
father] started in the automotive industry in 1975 at the age of 14.
Sweeping out the body shop at the South Seattle Auto Auction was far
from glamours but at least I got paid to be around cars. By the age
of 23 I was general sales manager of the most successful and
innovative auto auction in the country... the first to be fully
computerized and the first in what was to become  "chain" auto
auctions. A [McConkey] family owned sale bought by GE Credit Corp.
then partially owned by Ford Motor Credit, ATD and currently Manheim
Auctions. My "Semi Retirement" was my 26th birthday in 1987 - the
year we managed to average 1000 cars sold per week - 52,000 odd cars
sold for the year- a record that stood for 9 years! ... 26 years old,
the keys to the place in my pocket and 28 acres of cars with the keys
in the ignition - talk about a kid in a candy shop!
Left Seattle in '87 for Ashland OR., and with the help, guidance, and
assistance of some wonderful mentors, started wrenching on customer
cars. Haven't worked for anyone other than myself [and customers]
since. Went to Santa Fe in 1996 on a 3 week vacation. Liked it so
much that a week later I went to the local coffee shop, got a cup of
java, found a table, and put up my hand written sign "traveling
mechanic seeks your broken car" and didn't return to Oregon for 7
years. Did more "mobile mechanicing" than I care to remember. 2002
started Lunkercars Vintage Auto Sales LLC in Albuquerque - A micro
auto dealership specializing in British cars with the occasional
German, Italian and American muscle-car thrown in for good measure.
First Triumph was around 1989 - a sorry little Spit that came to me
with a 2"x4" wedged in place of a long gone motor mount. Current
inventory includes the purple '63 TR4 racer, a '65 TR4 with a
undetermined future, '61 Herald convert and a '70 Spit that I own but
have never laid eyes on. Other Triumph ownership includes  Spitfires,
TR3's, 4's, 6's, TR250, TR8 and perhaps others I have forgotten. Oh
yeah!... almost forgot about the 14 disassembled Triumphs that Connie
and I harvested out of the 9,000 mountains of northern New Mexico,
but that's another story.
This all seems a bit boring and a bit egotistical to me but it is
what was asked for. I will follow-up with details about the car which
to me [and hopefully to all] is much more interesting.
Thanks to you Kas for the honor of meeting you in person [not to
mention the books my car was built by], you Chuck for the great
competition [and congratulations on the cup... want to go to the kart
track again?]  and to Mike Bruner for the borrowed starter - bump
starting on the grid is never stylish - I'll have a new one on it's
way to you as soon as I get your mailing address.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer

o?<
On Jul 2, 2007, at 10:35 AM, chasgee at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks Mark.  We had a great weekend with nine Triumphs attending.
> It was an honor to receive the Cup this year.
>
> We missed our brethren from the Midwest and east...hopefully next
> time.
>
> Thanks to Kas and Peggy for making the trip and pouring the
> champagne.  It wouldn't be a Kastner Cup event without them.
>
> Kudos to to Greg Hilyer from New Mexico!  He campaigned a very fast
> TR4 and also shellacked us on the go cart track.  We also nominated
> and seconded him in person for FOT membership with Mark Bradakis
> present (an official, unofficial ceremony), so Mark, please add him
> to the list.  His email is lunkercars at earthlink.net.  Greg, when
> you get some time, please tell us more about yourself.
>
> All in all, a great time at a fantastic facility with great
> friends.  I'm sure there will be pictures to follow.
>
> Chuck Gee
> Blacksmith Racing
> Spitfire
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J. Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: FOT at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 10:32 pm
> Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
>
> Some random FOT driver in the grid:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/chuck_gee1.jpg
>
> Honest, it really was the Triumph I wanted in the picture!  Here's
> a close
> up of that same Triumph shortly after the race, it must have picked up
> some, uh, debris coming off course:
>
> http://fatchancegarage.com/images/k_cup.jpg
>
>
> Congratulations Chuck.
>
> mjb.
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From tsheach at pba.co.uk  Fri Jul  6 00:57:52 2007
From: tsheach at pba.co.uk (tr4.tony@virgin.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 07:57:52 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
Message-ID: <E1I6her-00086N-GV@esau.t-mobile.co.uk>

Hi Dan

I run a u shaped brace around the front of the prop, and [sometimes had a
steel band round the top of the bellhousing] ... Best job is to 8 or 12 bolt
the flywheel. I've lost a 4 bolt & dowel at 6500 rpm.

Using a sleeved stag input shaft [stag a type od box] also helps keep it all
in there when it breaks loose as its thicker .... The flywheel just walked its
way along and stayed inside the case when I lost it. Minimal damage resulted.

Regards

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: Cofrog at aol.com
To: FOT at Autox.Team.Net
Sent: 04/07/07 17:41
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields

Earlier this year RMVR had an incident with a flywheel exploding on an  MGB
I had given thought to this danger but had kind of dismissed  it.  In looking
over the archives, there was some activity  regarding scatter shields in 2000
but it seems to have dead  ended.

What are you folks using for scatter shields and their source.  I  see Uncle
Jack has (had) a metal "U" shaped shield that fits around the  transmission
cover inside the car.  Others feel that the shield needs to  wrap around the
whole bell housing.  Thoughts?

Thanks,

Dan Forgey



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From cartravel at pobox.com  Fri Jul  6 08:04:44 2007
From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 09:04:44 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Quick notes from Thriller at Miller
In-Reply-To: <642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>
References: <46888E06.90404@bradakis.com>
	<8C98ADE133F8D95-9D0-DCCF@WEBMAIL-DF10.sysops.aol.com>
	<642E58C2-6DA8-42D9-978A-B6B770AD4C3B@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <468E4BFC.1030308@pobox.com>

Greg,
Glad to see you are finally on the list.  Once he got his ignition 
problems sorted out, Greg turned some very fast laps at Hallett this 
spring.  Too bad he wasn't at Hallett a year earlier.
Larry

Greg "Lunker" Hilyer wrote:

>Hello to Chuck and all,
>What a blast at Miller!
>As I said to you, Kas,et al., It is the resume part that has kept me
>from applying for FoT membership. To Larry Young in particular...
>thanks for your nomination earlier this year at Hallett - sorry I
>didn't respond but the bio/resume part but me off a bit and I wasn't
>quite sure how to go from there. Thanks again Larry for lending me a
>ballast resistor - after smoking two Pertronics now, I [now] only run
>points! Also thanks to Mark and Chuck for the official nomination and
>second. On to the boring stuff about myself:


From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jul  6 10:14:35 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:14:35 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group.  He was, and will be
again, a racer with a TR6!  I answered some mail he sent to 6-pack and he
seems like just thr right kinda guy.  MAybe one of you California guys can
give him the official physical?

On 6/30/07, jim hearn <jimhearn1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  Hi Chuck,
>
>
>
> In the 1960s, I had a TR3A and did some old airport straw bail racing.  I
> have always been a huge fan of any curvy track racing from Formula One to
> SCCA Club Racing to cones in a parking lot.  I have recently acquired a
> 1974 TR6 (the same year as my street driver that I do occasionally
> autocross) that was set up years ago for SCCA Production Class racing.  From
> reading the rule book, I see that there are a few changes I need to make and
> a few changes that will help if I do make.  Right now I need to make some
> decisions like tires, shocks, maybe carbs, etc.  It would be great to be
> connected to the racing board for some good current information.  I belong
> to an active group of autocrossers here in Sacramento, CA so I can race on
> the pylons this season.
>
>
>
> I did locate and order one of Kastner's books.  Thanks for all of the
> great information.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM
> *To:* jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> *Subject:* re racing tr6
>
>
>
> There is a group called Friends of Triumph [FOT] which is comprised of TR
> racers, some of whom race TR6s [I have a TR5, but the drive train is out of
> a TR6 I used for fast track days.  This is an "By invitation only" email
> list group.  If you are going to race, you need to be on it.  I could
> nominate you if you send me your racing plans and experience.
>
> Other than that, there is a guy who is not in the group who placed 3rd in
> SCCA nations in 2005 with a TR6, and would have also been on the podium in
> 2006 but was booted off the track in the last lap by a too agressive acura
> [which is why I hate SCCA bumpoer cars].
>
> If you do not have the 4 Kastner books you will want them -- almost
> anything you want/need to know about racing TRs.
>
> --
> Chuck Arnold
>



-- 
Chuck Arnold


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Fri Jul  6 10:29:59 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (alfetta95 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:29:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cbd782d0707060914q7a6d5f31j8b4619ef4e6a9510@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e657ff08f91c.468e6e07@optonline.net>

I second!  But pass on the physical!

Welcome Jim!

Todd Redmond
TR3A


----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Arnold 
Date: Friday, July 6, 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
To: jim hearn , Friends 

> I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group. He was, 
> and will be
> again, a racer with a TR6! I answered some mail he sent to 6-
> pack and he
> seems like just thr right kinda guy. MAybe one of you 
> California guys can
> give him the official physical?
> 
> On 6/30/07, jim hearn wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chuck,
> >
> >
> >
> > In the 1960s, I had a TR3A and did some old airport straw bail 
> racing. I
> > have always been a huge fan of any curvy track racing from 
> Formula One to
> > SCCA Club Racing to cones in a parking lot. I have recently 
> acquired a
> > 1974 TR6 (the same year as my street driver that I do occasionally
> > autocross) that was set up years ago for SCCA Production Class 
> racing. From
> > reading the rule book, I see that there are a few changes I 
> need to make and
> > a few changes that will help if I do make. Right now I need 
> to make some
> > decisions like tires, shocks, maybe carbs, etc. It would be 
> great to be
> > connected to the racing board for some good current 
> information. I belong
> > to an active group of autocrossers here in Sacramento, CA so I 
> can race on
> > the pylons this season.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did locate and order one of Kastner's books. Thanks for all 
> of the
> > great information.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > *From:* Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com]
> > *Sent:* Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:44 AM
> > *To:* jimhearn1 at comcast.net
> > *Subject:* re racing tr6
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a group called Friends of Triumph [FOT] which is 
> comprised of TR
> > racers, some of whom race TR6s [I have a TR5, but the drive 
> train is out of
> > a TR6 I used for fast track days. This is an "By invitation 
> only" email
> > list group. If you are going to race, you need to be on it. 
> I could
> > nominate you if you send me your racing plans and experience.
> >
> > Other than that, there is a guy who is not in the group who 
> placed 3rd in
> > SCCA nations in 2005 with a TR6, and would have also been on 
> the podium in
> > 2006 but was booted off the track in the last lap by a too 
> agressive acura
> > [which is why I hate SCCA bumpoer cars].
> >
> > If you do not have the 4 Kastner books you will want them -- almost
> > anything you want/need to know about racing TRs.
> >
> > --
> > Chuck Arnold
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold
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> 
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From riverside at cedar-rapids.net  Fri Jul  6 11:14:58 2007
From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:14:58 -0500
Subject: [Fot] transmission
Message-ID: <001b01c7bff1$2f35d870$315d9e04@your55e5f9e3d2>

I need a TR6 O'drive trans.  Will consider anything from
rebuildable core to turnkey.  Going behind a nearly stock
motor.

art de armond


From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul  6 13:59:25 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:59:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
Message-ID: <BAY115-F29211C5896C791FE61ADB78C010@phx.gbl>

Second on Jim's nomination!  We need more TR6 racers to stave off the herd 
of 4-bangers.

Shane Ingate in MD

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Arnold
Date: Friday, July 6, 2007 12:15 pm
Subject: [Fot] Nomination
To: jim hearn , Friends

>I would like to nominate Jim Hearn to our august group. He was, and will be
>again, a racer with a TR6! I answered some mail he sent to 6-
>pack and he
>seems like just thr right kinda guy. MAybe one of you California guys can
>give him the official physical?

_________________________________________________________________
http://newlivehotmail.com


From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jul  6 14:35:05 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 14:35:05 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Flow My Head Dude
Message-ID: <BAY102-W3013B296BF80C652AF17490010@phx.gbl>

Hello,   Anyone on the list recommend a business to port the head for my 1622
cc BMC (don't want to use  the MG word)engine?
Is any one on the list interested in doing it?  Joe? Jack?

Cheers, Henry Morrison,

TR3
Elva Courier


From joeg at neb.rr.com  Fri Jul  6 16:53:05 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 17:53:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Crank Scrapers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13746.1183704585.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13746.1183704585.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7c020$6a485440$1a463043@Guinan>

First time I've seen these available.  I know someone on the FoT list was
asking about them at one point.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125697624&ssPageN
ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010


Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE 68025


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  6 20:25:27 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg Lunker Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 20:25:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>

Thanks for the compliment Mike. Connie and I got a good laugh  
wondering if you would accept an answer of "Slick 50 and S.U.  
carbs" ... probably not. So...  here's the story of the "Plum Pie" :
Maybe best to start with the name - The car # is not actually 314,  
but 3.14 - roughly pi. The funnest color Krylon I could buy by the  
case is Rich Plum. Result being the "Plum Pie".
April 2004, my friend Tom Britt, let me use his Spit racer for SWMS  
[Southwest Motorsport] driving school, knowing full well that he had  
a new fish on for the club.
I had a '63 TR4 that I had bought 3 weeks earlier, sitting down the  
driveway by the gate. I also had the remains of the 14 Triumphs  
hauled out of the mountains. Even I could figure the rest out.
I found the poor old TR in a very roundabout way, sitting in a field  
in northern New Mexico. The tags had expired in 1987. The original  
owner had given it to his daughter who drove it for a month and then  
parked it for reasons I never quite figured out. When I found it,  
various mechanical parts had been "liberated" [generator, fuel pump.  
hoses, clamps, plug wires etc,.]  but it was obviously a pretty much  
intact, original car.  One tire held air and there was evidence of  
every color poly tarp you can imagine. Bought it for $750 and later  
received a $50 refund because they couldn't find the title!
The day after my run in Tom's car, I towed it up to the house,  
installed a batt., got a siphon to the carbs from a gas can and  
sparked it [after a couple of weeks of Marvel in each hole]. Damn  
thing started and idled [ thanks to the "liberators" of N.M. for  
stealing every ounce of fuel out of it!].
6 weeks later it was ready for it's first outing... I, on the other  
hand, was not. After working on it 'till 3am the day of the race, I  
went for a couple hours sleep - 4hrs later was too late for the  
drivers meeting and I was in no condition to drive... blew that  
one!!... Anyway... I made the next race. The car had 68,000 odd miles  
on it, steel wheels, street radials and the motor that had survived  
in that field for so many years. I ran that motor for a year and a  
half while upgrading the rest of he car. October of '05 it won it's  
first race [SWMS All British] on that same motor.
Winter of '05/'06 I went to work on the new motor.
Specs:
Crank - Stock cast. Magnafluxed, stress relieved, shot peened,  
independently balanced.
Rods - Stock cast. Maged, stress relieved, lightened [approx. 110  
grams each] and balanced +/- .5 grams and shot peened
ARP head studs
ARE rod bolts
Pistons/ liners/wrist pins - 87mm Mahle [cast pistons]
Cam - Isky 666 - 486" lift,  286 duration [as I recall]
Lightened cam followers
Custom pushrods [-.115"]
Stock rocker arms, shaft and spring spacers.
All new grade 8 fasteners thru-out.
Compression ratio - 10.6 to 1
Cyl. Head - Used [shaved] head I bought would have been approx. 11.5  
to 1 but I liked the porting, so I enlarged the chamber for the  
compression I wanted. Stock valve springs with alloy retainers.
Port-matched everything.
Flywheel - Stock cast minus about a 11lb. shave. Independently balanced.
Clutch - Stock Borg & Beck. Independently balanced.
Ignition - Points.  I've given up with Pertronix after having two  
failures. I have a new Crane Fireball that I've been carrying around  
with my spares - it runs so strong with the points I might just stick  
with them.
Intake - Stock SU's with [original] early TR4 manifold. Haven't  
touched the original needles or jets. Used to run cheapo velocity  
stacks from Moss but having had a couple break-off at the flange from  
vibration fatigue, I have forsaken them and never noticed any  
difference. Only run filters during the worst New Mexico dust storms.
Exhaust - Unknown header that came with a TR3. 2 1/4" pipe in the  
original location thru to the back. It has a Supertrapp tip on the  
end but I've found that regardless of how big a baffle stack I use,  
it really prefers to be open [at the tracks that still allow such].
Lubrication - stock oil pump and pan with an Accusump.
Cooling - Radiator is out of a Kia, Hyundai or some such - don't  
remember. But it fits nicely into the space provided and is located  
with the original support bars bent to fit. Fully ducted. The only  
problem I had with this installation is that the rad inlet is so  
small that the water wanted to go thru the water-pump bypass rather  
than thru the radiator. Plugging the bypass cured all problems. Even  
with the temps we had in Utah, I never even switched on the electric  
fan and it never got over 85 deg. C - yes it still has the original  
gauge reading centigrade. 6 row oil cooler sits behind the screened- 
over left headlight opening [a speaker grill from a 6" SONY is a  
perfect fit if installed from the inside].
Stock motor mounts. Trans mount is a stock piece with extra thru- 
bolts to make it semi-rigid.
Fuel pump is the square NAPA "clicker" type. Been carrying a nice  
rotary pump in my spares but have never seen the need for it.

Seems to make power to about 6200 rpm [at 5500'], goes flat by 6500  
but will gladly do 6900+ if I want to forsake power to skip a shift.
Built it  totally around Kas's Comp Prep Manual. Only problem is that  
it was printed in 1965. No mention of forged internals or DCOE's ...  
I'll be sure to get a more recent version soon. Oh yah, I just got  
the new book - better read it I guess!

Chassis:
Poly or bronze bushings thru-out. A arm geometry is stock - meaning  
no camber adjustment - measures about 1/2 deg neg. Toe-in is about 1/4".
The road springs are what the car left the factory with - perhaps the  
years in the field did something to "season" them. Maybe it was the  
heat cycles from      -10 winter to +110 summer. I don't know but  
haven't yet gotten to the point of wanting to upgrade. To drop the  
front of the car I simply removed the spacers from the top of the  
coils and re-installed them. For the rear I got a bit more creative.  
Took the bottom leaf out of each side, installed 3 extra spacer  
blocks [per side] between the axle housing and springs and clamped  
them back together with longer U-bolts. When the time came to drop it  
some more I considered longer shackles but didn't like the idea of  
additional side loading that would result. Instead, I took the leaf  
springs to my local spring shop and had them de-arched 1 1/2".
  The rear tube shock conversion is the only thing that may not be  
strictly "vintage legal" in some clubs. Like everything else on the  
car, it is somewhat crude but effective. The brackets bolt to the  
original shock location and run up inside the fenderwell. The shocks  
are located at the bottom to the original mounting plates that have  
been swapped from left to right. Rear shocks are KYB GR2, fronts are  
Koni Classics.
The rear radius arms made the biggest single "seat of the pants"  
improvement I've made and is something I think is often overlooked.  
The transformation was amazing in keeping the rear end planted. The  
difference is hard to imagine unless you've tried them. Everything  
needed came off the shelf of my local speed shop. The bars are 3/4" x  
14" swedged tube with heim joints at both ends. At the front they are  
mounted to brackets welded to the body mounting outrigger that comes  
off the frame toward the back of the doors. The rear heim simply uses  
the same [oversized] bolt used for the shock bottom mount.
No rear sway bar. The front bar is 11/16" that came from another TR4  
but judging by the welded splice in the middle, I have a hunch it  
started life somewhere else.
Rear end has the stock 3.7:1 gears and an open differential. Axles,  
hubs and bearing housings have been magnafluxed and get the treatment  
every year along with the front hubs and stub axles.
The braking system uses stock hydraulics [original calipers with  
fresh O-rings, original wheel cylinders with a light hone and fresh  
kits, original single circuit master], Teflon/braided hoses, Brembo  
rotors and 240Z drums. The rear lining is some type of Kevlar  
composite from TSI and I like them a lot. Can't remember the  
manufacturer of the pads, [CGI?] but they also came from Ted. I am  
still undecided on how well I like them - For the sake of the Miller  
race I removed my questionably legal drilled & slotted rotors and  
Hawk pads, installed the Brembos and the TSI pads and bedded them in  
on Sheep Lane in front of the track. They seemed to get better  
throughout the weekend but I'll have to get back on my home track to  
really know how well I like them. Regarding the single circuit master  
cylinder - an upgrade is on the front burner. Anyone who has been  
behind me knows my lack of faith, proven by the "courtesy pump" I  
habitually give the brake pedal before standing on them - I've had  
plenty of comments about my brake lights coming on in unexpected  
places - No it is not a tactic to confuse my competitors... just self  
preservation.
As of last year I had the car in a state where I stopped making  
changes to it and concentrated on driving it. During the R&D phase,  
every time I made a major change it was like driving a different car  
every time out - very hard to get in a consistent "groove". In the  
last 5 races here at home [Sandia Motor Sports Park] the Plum Pie and  
I have taken 5 consecutive overall vintage wins against all comers -  
911's, 914's 2002's, 240Z's, 510's and even the occasional Lotus or  
TVR. I am quite proud of that little car!
It should also be mentioned that everything done has been with an eye  
toward allowing the car to be brought back to stock if anyone so  
desired - I still have every piece of road equipment that the car  
came with and the only thing cut was a small flap in the trunk floor  
for the fuel line out of the cell. The only thing welded to the car  
are the mounting brackets for the radius arms.
So now maybe you all understand my hesitation to be a FoT... It's a  
matter of "Don't get me started". Perhaps my real nick-name should be  
Long-winded Lunker.
All the best to my new FoT friends,
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
P.S. I just did the unthinkable - got out the file and added up the  
receipts. $10,148.25 is the total including the purchase price of the  
car and 2 sets of Panasports [1 new, 1 used]. If I add 10% for the  
stuff I may have forgotten and pay myself the princely sum of $0.50  
hr. I figure I'm still in it something under $12K.




.
On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Michael Bruner wrote:

> Don't let these Girls and Guys confuse you.  We're a fun group as  
> long as you tell us your secrets to building a TR4 that can keep up  
> with a Chuck Gee Spitfire.
>
>
>
> "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars at earthlink.net> wrote:
> That would be great as I am fairly confused already.
> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
>
> On Jul 5, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Susan Kahler wrote:
>
> > Oh, no no no. He would be the un-official greeter. And he could
> > convey
> > the info about the non-rules and non-dues to keep up the
> > non-organization of the club.
> >
> > Ernest Husmann wrote:
> >> Would that make Steve the official greeter? Cause the FOT doesn't
> >> have any official types.
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> >> */Susan Kahler /* wrote:
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> >> Oh, dang, you
> >>> apparently know all that already. Damn, OK; for a mere 29.95 we
> >> can give
> >>> you all the tricks to enhance male performance and improve stock
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> >>> But wait, there's more! Never mind, there's not more. This is
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul  7 08:23:58 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:23:58 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6/GT6/Vitesse NYLATRON ROCKER ARM SPACERS
Message-ID: <bdd.16717c21.33c0fbfe@cs.com>

List:

A few 6 cylinder folks expressed an interest if I made some of these spacers.

I now have a few of these sets available.  It is SEVEN piece set instead of 
FIVE.

(The flat spring on the ends is now eliminated so all 12 rocker arm rotate 
without spring pressure)

> Lighter weight than steel
> Closer tolerances than steel
> Lower cost than steel.
> Grey "marble" looks like metal
> Unconditionally guaranteed.


$26/set to FoT including postage.
With an address I will ship Monday


> A.R.E.
> 645 1st Street
> Jesup, Iowa 50648
>
> N197tr4 at cs.com  =  PayPal



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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul  7 08:29:02 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 07:29:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr6 hubs and voltmeter wanted
Message-ID: <002601c7c0a3$2cb79720$d783b304@Bud>

Hello..A fellow in the Burlington New Jersey area is looking for rear hubs, a
voltmeter, and maybe more stuff for a street TR6  if anyone can help please
contact James Aaron at tentoad at msn.com
Thanks Gang
Racer Bud in Sonoma Ca.


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul  7 10:23:19 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 12:23:19 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Crank Scrapers
Message-ID: <d2c.106803a4.33c117f7@cs.com>

Uncle Jack is producing CRANK SCRAPERS for TR3 and TR4 Carillo rods and more 
scrapers are under development for stock rods, for Triumphs. 

With any encouragement, from the list, I think this project could be advanced 
and available by this winter.

Joe (A)


> First time I've seen these available.  I know someone on the FoT list was
> asking about them at one point.
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200125697624&ssPageN
> ame=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=010
> 
> 
> Joe Guinan
> Fremont, NE 68025
> 

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From Scypher at USA.com  Sat Jul  7 13:09:46 2007
From: Scypher at USA.com (Scypher at USA.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 15:09:46 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Crank Scrapers
Message-ID: <FF90C994-D838-44AF-9A3B-557C9311BA2F@usa.com>

I was one...  I've been emailing him periodically on their status...   
His site has been noting they are in development for a while, and now  
he has made them up with a windage tray and teflon scrapers.  I have a  
full setup for my lightened crank being made up.  You can contact  
Kevin @ www.crank-scrapers.com if anyone wants more info or pictures....

Also, for those of you interested, I made it through SCCA drivers  
school back on june 10th....the 29th anniversary of my car's first  
entry into SCCA racing in 1978.

I'm working through a few motor issues, and should be out regional  
racing late July or early august....

Thanks
-S


From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Jul  8 09:46:41 2007
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:46:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!
Message-ID: <469106E1.5010403@blacksburg.net>

I'm pleased to announce that after almost 14 years of silence, my TR4 
engine has once again found its voice, and sweeeeeet it is!  At about 
2230 3 JUL (we have very forgiving neighbors) it barked to life (tubular 
headers, no muffler yet) on the first crank.  A *huge* "thanks" goes to 
Dale Osterndorf, my buddy and owner of a show-winning TR6, for helping 
out and keeping me sane as the preparations neared completion.  The 
first run only lasted about 5 minutes due to a lean condition - the 
headers glowed red.  On 4 JUL we covered about 30% of the Weber throats 
to richen the mixture and ran in the Isky 777 cam for 15 minutes.  I 
kept a room fan blowing on the headers the whole time just to be sure.

Engine prep: re-profiled, ported and CCd the head (all chambers +/- 0.2 
cc), 10:1 CR, port-matched the tubular header, 5 angle valve job, all 
seats hardened and blended into ports.  Unshrouded the intake valves and 
cut matching "eyebrows" in the sleeves (as an aside, I cut the head 
3/16" from the intake valve lip, which caused head gasket sealing 
problems); Jack Drews' custom head gasket saved the day.  Intake ports 
enlarged to match Canon manifolds.  Weber 40 DCOE carbs with custom 
throttle linkage.  Rods lightened, balanced dead nuts, magged and shot 
peened.  ARP rod and head bolts.  All pistons balanced dead nuts.  All 
rotating components balanced as an assembly (had it not been for the 
"racket" and heat, you wouldn't have known the engine was running - it 
was rock solid steady!), Aluminum flywheel with 6 ARP bolts.  Lip-type 
rear seal.  Alternator, extensive use of extra fuses, Crane XR3000 
ignition with Pertronix PS60 coil, Magnecor wires, NGK plugs. 
Clearanced the oil pump (had 50 PSI using a drill to pre-oil the engine, 
100 PSI cold, 70 hot).  Competition push rods, lightened and balanced 
tappets.  0.062 shims under the rocker pedestals to maintain geometry, 
radiused rocker arms.  Justin Wagner silcone valve cover gasket.

I'm sure there's more stuff, but this list is long enough.  This car 
will be about as close to my old DP car as I can get and still be street 
legal / driveable.  The rest of the drive train and the suspenders have 
been heavily modified as well, but that's for another email.

Yahoo!
-- 
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg  VA
64 TR4 in autox preparation
95% finished, 90% to go


From jibjib at att.net  Sun Jul  8 13:44:57 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 12:44:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FoT Newbie
In-Reply-To: <07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>
References: <187479.52051.qm@web54108.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<07800341-061E-415E-88B1-166E633A012F@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <028301c7c198$778a98b0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

FOT,

Was there some concern over shotpeening the stock rods, due to the material?

Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Greg Lunker Hilyer
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:25 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] FoT Newbie

Rods - Stock cast. Maged, stress relieved, lightened [approx. 110 grams
each] and balanced +/- .5 grams and shot peened 


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Sun Jul  8 14:21:57 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 13:21:57 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
Message-ID: <002801c7c19d$a20521a0$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Hello:

I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt holes,
what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.

Gary
1962 Flying Brick
1969 TR6


From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul  8 19:55:23 2007
From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 18:55:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
Message-ID: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Amici 
   
  I have collected a gaggle of steering racks in search of a good one for my TR4, still not one that works.
  I must have enough good parts to make a useable rack - Is there a steering rack guru somewhere in the country that can put one together?
   
  Thanks
  Dennis DeLap


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Jul  8 21:59:07 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:59:07 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
Message-ID: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
the differantial with conventional tools ?
Jim Gray
Aurora, Co.


From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul  9 00:12:25 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:12:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
In-Reply-To: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <976254.86980.qm@web81708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4691D1C9.7020009@bradakis.com>

What behavior are you expecting from a rack that works, and what
is it that the ones you have are doing, or not doing, that make you
claim they don't work?  Steering racks are fairly simple, is the issue just
wear on the pinion?

mjb.


From a.r.gibson at bigpond.com  Mon Jul  9 03:00:53 2007
From: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com (Andrew Gibson)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 19:00:53 +1000
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <20070709090103.DHYV23230.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>

Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.

 

Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,

 

Andrew Gibson

TR3A racer, TR4 cruiser


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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  9 04:32:56 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:32:56 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case 
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove 
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff 
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and 
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long 
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities 
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move 
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it 
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
>_______________________________________________
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul  9 05:47:09 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:47:09 -0400
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!
References: <469106E1.5010403@blacksburg.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c7c21e$e272f2e0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

JC are you happy with or not???
Hmm
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.C. Hassall" <jhassall at blacksburg.net>
To: "FoT" <fot at autox.team.net>; "TR List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: [Fot] '64 TR4 - it lives!


> I'm pleased to announce that after almost 14 years of silence, my TR4 
> engine has once again found its voice, and sweeeeeet it is!  At about 
> 2230 3 JUL (we have very forgiving neighbors) it barked to life (tubular 
> headers, no muffler yet) on the first crank.  A *huge* "thanks" goes to 
> Dale Osterndorf, my buddy and owner of a show-winning TR6, for helping 
> out and keeping me sane as the preparations neared completion.  The 
> first run only lasted about 5 minutes due to a lean condition - the 
> headers glowed red.  On 4 JUL we covered about 30% of the Weber throats 
> to richen the mixture and ran in the Isky 777 cam for 15 minutes.  I 
> kept a room fan blowing on the headers the whole time just to be sure.
> 
> Engine prep: re-profiled, ported and CCd the head (all chambers +/- 0.2 
> cc), 10:1 CR, port-matched the tubular header, 5 angle valve job, all 
> seats hardened and blended into ports.  Unshrouded the intake valves and 
> cut matching "eyebrows" in the sleeves (as an aside, I cut the head 
> 3/16" from the intake valve lip, which caused head gasket sealing 
> problems); Jack Drews' custom head gasket saved the day.  Intake ports 
> enlarged to match Canon manifolds.  Weber 40 DCOE carbs with custom 
> throttle linkage.  Rods lightened, balanced dead nuts, magged and shot 
> peened.  ARP rod and head bolts.  All pistons balanced dead nuts.  All 
> rotating components balanced as an assembly (had it not been for the 
> "racket" and heat, you wouldn't have known the engine was running - it 
> was rock solid steady!), Aluminum flywheel with 6 ARP bolts.  Lip-type 
> rear seal.  Alternator, extensive use of extra fuses, Crane XR3000 
> ignition with Pertronix PS60 coil, Magnecor wires, NGK plugs. 
> Clearanced the oil pump (had 50 PSI using a drill to pre-oil the engine, 
> 100 PSI cold, 70 hot).  Competition push rods, lightened and balanced 
> tappets.  0.062 shims under the rocker pedestals to maintain geometry, 
> radiused rocker arms.  Justin Wagner silcone valve cover gasket.
> 
> I'm sure there's more stuff, but this list is long enough.  This car 
> will be about as close to my old DP car as I can get and still be street 
> legal / driveable.  The rest of the drive train and the suspenders have 
> been heavily modified as well, but that's for another email.
> 
> Yahoo!
> -- 
> J.C. Hassall
> Blacksburg  VA
> 64 TR4 in autox preparation
> 95% finished, 90% to go
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
> wensley_tr at comcast.net
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul  9 08:28:55 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:28:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] brake rotors
Message-ID: <200707091429.l69ET51h421965@ns3.geneseo.net>

Unsolicited testimonial --

Five years ago I needed to replace my brake rotors. I bought rotors 
through Diversified Cryogenics in Minneapolis, Brembos cryogenically treated.

http://www.diversifiedcryogenics.com/

After four years of really hard brake use, they look like brand new - 
flat, no grooves, never had to touch them.

No financial interest -- just passing along info.

uncle jack 



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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Mon Jul  9 12:39:49 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 14:39:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
In-Reply-To: <20070709090103.DHYV23230.oaamta05sl.mx.bigpond.com@computer7943b7>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707091437570.10898-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

Just curious.

rml
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Mon Jul  9 12:57:26 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:57:26 -0700
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <479599626.1184007446714.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>

Ok, I'm new to TRs so tell me if this just isn't done with them. On all my racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the rear so both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an alternative to a Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons on this to share with a TR newbie?
Dave (I'm in learning mode) Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro Chassis ARE-003

---- "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

=============
Hi,

This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

Just curious.

rml
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From jsnook at wcnet.org  Mon Jul  9 15:45:59 2007
From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:45:59 -0500
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
References: <479599626.1184007446714.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <022501c7c272$8b8c8190$0201a8c0@JeffsNotebook>

Dave, I have run a welded dif on my TR3 for 14 years (and my Devin TR3).
Works great, fun to drive, just a little hard pushing around in the paddock or
garage.

Jeff Snook
www.snooksdreamcars.com
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  Subject: Re: [Fot] limited slip diff


  Ok, I'm new to TRs so tell me if this just isn't done with them. On all my
racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the rear so
both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an alternative to a
Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons on this to
share with a TR newbie?
  Dave (I'm in learning mode) Hesse
  Portage WI
  Ambro Chassis ARE-003

  ---- "Robert M. Lang" <lang at isis.mit.edu> wrote:

  =============
  Hi,

  This brings up a reasonable question - has anyone every considered or
  looked into having a run of Detroit Lockers for big TR's made?

  I know they don't last forever and they're getting pretty scarce.

  Just curious.

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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:15:11 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:15:11 GMT
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <20070709.221511.10715.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I bought a TranX diff (plate type) from Cambridge earlier this year.  A bit
pricey, but so far it has been working great.  Joe(B)

-- "Andrew Gibson" <a.r.gibson at bigpond.com> wrote:
Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.



Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,



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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:23:48 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:23:48 GMT
Subject: [Fot] TR4 Steering Rack
Message-ID: <20070709.222348.10715.1@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I took a few apart, shortened one and put it back together  Nothing unusual
inside.  It has been in the car for a few years, working great   I think the
only adjustment is a pre-load to take up any play.  Bearings are replacable
too  Joe(B)

-- Dennis DeLap <yellow-green at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Amici

  I have collected a gaggle of steering racks in search of a good one for my
TR4, still not one that works.
  I must have enough good parts to make a useable rack - Is there a steering
rack guru somewhere in the country that can put one together?

  Thanks
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Mon Jul  9 20:30:39 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:30:39 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
Message-ID: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

Yes, remove the stock fiber spacer.  I have the weber soft mounts isolating my
SU's too, but am not using a heat shield, so I can't help you there.   I
installed longer studs to make this work.  I think I had to elongate the holes
on the O-ring plates.  It is ok that the plate only catches 2 studs, since
they are diagonally opposite  You are not tightining the nuts down tight, so
that isssue is a non-issue  Use nyloc nuts to keep them from vibrating loose.
Joe(B)

-- "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:
Hello:

I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt
holes,
what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.

Gary
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul  9 22:10:23 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:10:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Carb Mounting
In-Reply-To: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
References: <20070709.223039.10715.2@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <20070710041110.666BB187A6B@autox.team.net>

Mount the heat shield inboard of the soft mount - so you've got 
intake manifold, gasket, heat shield, soft mount, carburetor.

- Tony

At 09:30 PM 7/9/2007, Joe Boruch wrote:
>Yes, remove the stock fiber spacer.  I have the weber soft mounts isolating my
>SU's too, but am not using a heat shield, so I can't help you there.   I
>installed longer studs to make this work.  I think I had to elongate the holes
>on the O-ring plates.  It is ok that the plate only catches 2 studs, since
>they are diagonally opposite  You are not tightining the nuts down tight, so
>that isssue is a non-issue  Use nyloc nuts to keep them from vibrating loose.
>Joe(B)
>
>-- "Gary" <vintage.racer at comcast.net> wrote:
>Hello:
>
>I have acquired a set of Weber Carb "soft mounts", ie, thin metal plate with
>rubber O rings on each side, to help reduce the vibration getting to the SU
>carbs on my TR4 racer.  Questions:  do these replace the normal 1/4" thick,
>hard material, carb insulators?  Since the soft mount only has two bolt
>holes,
>what should be used as a spacer for the other two carb bolts?  I have one of
>Joe Alexander's heat shields for the carbs, should this go directly against
>the intake manifold with the soft mount on top or vica versa?  Thanks.
>
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 04:56:35 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 06:56:35 EDT
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
Message-ID: <c7d.11528c06.33c4bfe3@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 2:49:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
d.hesse at charter.net writes:

On all  my racing Sprites/Midgets I just weld up the spider gears to lock the 
rear so  both wheels are driving. Can this be done with the TRs as an 
alternative to a  Detroit Locker or limited slip? Any experience with the pros/cons 
on this to  share with a TR newbie?



... more affectionally known as the "Lincoln Locker".
Yes they work fine, the car will understeer & it's hard to push around  in 
the paddock.
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 08:17:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <001501c7c2fd$11d6c230$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, running
a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?


From gasket.works at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 09:40:53 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:40:53 -0700
Subject: [Fot] tr-3 pics
References: <BAY102-F32B464CEE62DFB6042EEB8D2050@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002f01c7c308$b4587840$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Dave:

 I will forward your question to the collective wisdom of our triumph
laureates.

Esteemed TRnuts  can anyone assist Dave?  See below.

M. Dunst

----- Original Message -----
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To: <gasket.works at gte.net>
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: tr-3 pics


> I am trying to build a scale model of the #27 1959 tr-3 and I have some
> questions,
> -what color was the interior?
> -what color were the wires?
> -did the car have a standard windscreen or a racing one?
> I have looked in the Triumph books that I have and all over the internet
and
> I can not seem to find anything consistent. Any help you could give me
would
> be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is:
> dllord at hotmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Tue Jul 10 09:07:36 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:07:36 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
Message-ID: <200707101507.l6AF7ljS189495@ns3.geneseo.net>

I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

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From koblinger at verizon.net  Tue Jul 10 09:26:55 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:26:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] tr-3 pics
Message-ID: <31967591.810541184081216747.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net>

More info would be helpful. What race in which year? Factory car, private entry, drivers?

Cheers,
Kurt O.


>From: MDunst/Gasket Works <gasket.works at verizon.net>
>Date: 2007/07/10 Tue AM 10:40:53 CDT
>To: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] tr-3 pics

>Dave:
>
> I will forward your question to the collective wisdom of our triumph
>laureates.
>
>Esteemed TRnuts  can anyone assist Dave?  See below.
>
>M. Dunst
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: david lord <dllord at hotmail.com>
>To: <gasket.works at gte.net>
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 5:31 PM
>Subject: tr-3 pics
>
>
>> I am trying to build a scale model of the #27 1959 tr-3 and I have some
>> questions,
>> -what color was the interior?
>> -what color were the wires?
>> -did the car have a standard windscreen or a racing one?
>> I have looked in the Triumph books that I have and all over the internet
>and
>> I can not seem to find anything consistent. Any help you could give me
>would
>> be greatly appreciated. My e-mail address is:
>> dllord at hotmail.com
>>
>> Thanks,
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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jul 10 10:16:33 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:16:33 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <001501c7c2fd$11d6c230$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>

My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company called
Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop. 
My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
elevation. 
Good luck
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

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I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:01:56 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <BAY115-F23887761E26C206E7B68B68C050@phx.gbl>

Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil 
lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some 
additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.

Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC

>I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, 
>running
>a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
>vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

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From d.hesse at charter.net  Tue Jul 10 13:33:32 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Flow My Head Dude
Message-ID: <674613522.1184096012726.JavaMail.root@fepweb02>

Henry,
Have you tried Mike Miller at Comptune 864-638-6316 or Hap Waldrop at Acme Speedshop Shop 864-370-3000 (acmespeedshop.com). Hap does good work and support a number of racers in both SCCA and in vintage.
Dave Hesse
Portage, WI
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---- dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:

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Hello, Anyone on the list recommend a business to port the head for my 1622
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Is any one on the list interested in doing it? Joe? Jack?

Cheers, Henry Morrison,

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:45:11 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:45:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096680@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Ugh. I've found no evidence that those things work.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sun 7/8/2007 8:59 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
the differantial with conventional tools ?
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From jaboruch at netzero.net  Tue Jul 10 14:44:57 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:44:57 GMT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <20070710.164457.19371.2@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

Magnecor will custom make wires for you.  Just tell them what you want, with
what boots, lengths, etc.  I have gotten a couple sets for my TR3 that way.
Joe(B)

-- "S. Ingate" <hottr6 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil
lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some
additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.

Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC

>I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
>running
>a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
>vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:46:18 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:46:18 -0700
Subject: [Fot] limited slip diff
References: <20070709.221511.10715.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096681@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Ditto--I beat the living bejeezus out of my TranX without a whimper. Works
great, the diff stays reasonably cool, and it's been together for two years.


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From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Joe Boruch
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 7:15 PM
To: a.r.gibson at bigpond.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] limited slip diff

I bought a TranX diff (plate type) from Cambridge earlier this year.  A bit
pricey, but so far it has been working great.  Joe(B)

-- "Andrew Gibson" <a.r.gibson at bigpond.com> wrote:
Amici,

Can anyone suggest just where I might find a Salisbury-type limited slip
diff to use in my TR3A racer?

Are there any thoughts on what works best, if it is not a Salisbury type
diff?

I don't think I want a Quaife.



Currently (and for the last 30 odd years) I have used a No-Spin,



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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:48:36 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:48:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
	<200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
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Best way I've found is to put the thing in a press with the axles parallel to
the press and push gently down on the banjo. this springs the case lengthwise
and you can pull the carrier right out. Nice for shimming too--just release
tension to check, retension to change a shim.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 3:32 AM
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:52:37 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:52:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>
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BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company called
Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
elevation.
Good luck
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] plug wires

I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
walt at hot-tr6.com
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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 14:54:24 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
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I meant perpendicular to the press--parallel to the floor.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 1:48 PM
To: Jack W. Drews; James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Best way I've found is to put the thing in a press with the axles parallel to
the press and push gently down on the banjo. this springs the case lengthwise
and you can pull the carrier right out. Nice for shimming too--just release
tension to check, retension to change a shim.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Jack W. Drews
Sent: Mon 7/9/2007 3:32 AM
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly

Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case
spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove
the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff
carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and
bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long
screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities
of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move
it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift it
the rest of the way out.

At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
>I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
>IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
>the differantial with conventional tools ?
>Jim Gray
>Aurora, Co.
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 10 14:58:40 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 16:58:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Bill Babcock wrote:

> BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??

Yep.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Tue Jul 10 15:04:14 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
References: <20070710161727.B8F63187A44@autox.team.net>
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	<011a01c7c335$d0163db0$4d13c548@RWKastner>
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I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't with
me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653. I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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  http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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From garygret at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 10 15:17:19 2007
From: garygret at sbcglobal.net (Gary Schneider)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
Message-ID: <118023.66245.qm@web81510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a circle-track-type coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout arrangement. The former owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because Tilton no longer makes them for TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd love to know too. But assuming it's true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

uncle jack 



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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Tue Jul 10 15:40:50 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:40:50 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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Message-ID: <20070710214139.82C10187A70@autox.team.net>

The threaded part of the NGK BP6ES plug is 3/4". From the bottom of the
compression ring to the tip of the plus is 15/16"
Walt 

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Kas Kastner; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't
with me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more
to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653.
I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
  Fot mailing list
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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 16:58:13 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:58:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
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Jack,

Try Dave Bean, http://www.davebean.com/.

Chuck


-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Schneider <garygret at sbcglobal.net>
To: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tilton clutch



Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a circle-track-type 
coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout arrangement. The former 
owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because Tilton no longer makes them for 
TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd love to know too. But assuming it's 
true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some 
pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably 
sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing 
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the 
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 - 
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no 
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars. 
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know 
about the TR application?

uncle jack 



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From chasgee at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 17:00:06 2007
From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:00:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 45 DCOEs
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All,

I'm looking for a pair of 45 DCOEs.? Anyone have some laying around?

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From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Tue Jul 10 19:23:27 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:23:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <cc2.130ad1f0.33c58b0f@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 11:00:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:

> Magnecor, either direct from Magnecor or Moss Motors.  Note that the coil 
> lead hat on the TR6 kits do not seal to the Mallory dizzy tower, so some 
> additional work is required to proof it against water leaks.
> 
> Shane Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
> 
> >I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6, 
> >running
> >a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is prepped for
> >vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?

Whilst it is true that there are many good quality plug wires out there, I 
too am using Magnceor, # M-65221 for several years now to good effect.

On my Vitesse, (1998cc) Mk.2 engine, (same as GT6+), I am also using NGK 
stock # 6637:BPR6EIX Iridium Plugs - from Rockauto.com
(now gapped to 40 thou')

With Mallory Dual Point distribitor :YL type, model 23, part # MAA-2367801, 
(vented, non-flame arrested).         

fitted with Pertronix ML-161, and a MSD # 8202 Coil, (mounted on the front 
bulkhead).

and a MSD Digital 6 Ignition pack - with rev limiter.

Regards

Leon

  


 




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From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Jul 10 19:39:07 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:39:07 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Scatter Shields
References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F9C9@server.Triumph.local>
Message-ID: <002201c7c35c$47577530$2a11efdc@co3017577a>

Henry
You are correct it was a early finger type clutch . I have not heard of a
diaphram clutch exploding but we have had a number of flywheels come off the
2.5 motors but not come through the bell housing.

Geoff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Henry Frye" <henry at henryfrye.com>
To: "Geoffrey Byrne" <gkbyrne at optushome.com.au>; <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: [Fot] Scatter Shields


> Geoff,
>
> Do you know what kind of clutch it was that exploded?
>
> Any chance it was it a stock finger-type TR2-4? I have heard of a couple
> of those that have let go.
>
> Anybody ever hear of a TR4A-6 diaphragm spring type clutch letting go?
>
> PS. Everyone realizes Geoff is down under, where they drive right hand
> steer cars. When he says fragments in the passenger footwell, that means
> the junk got dumped into the left side footwell...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoffrey Byrne
> > Subject: Re: [Fot] Scatter Shields
> >
> > One of our guys had his TR4 clutch explode at the end of the
> > straight at Winton in Vic . Cut the bell housing in half and
> > dumped the fragments in the passenger footwell . No shield
> > just the cardboard tranny cover. Very lucky guy. Our regs in
> > Aus do not require a scatter shield for historics Geoff Byrne


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Tue Jul 10 19:37:18 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:37:18 EDT
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
Message-ID: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:

Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC


Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds  
for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid conditions!  
Steve



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From rjl at gt-classics.com  Tue Jul 10 19:43:25 2007
From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:43:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <d2d.10abcf5c.33c58e4e@aol.com>
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At 09:37 PM 7/10/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
>
>
>Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds
>for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid 
>conditions!

I've lived in Denver and the DC area - I'd much rather have 105 degrees
in Denver than 95 degrees in DC.  Actually, come to think of it, I'd much
rather be in Denver than DC in any kind of weather...


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Tue Jul 10 20:15:50 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:15:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire headers part 2
Message-ID: <001601c7c361$67943a40$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

First off, thanks to all who offered suggestions and advice regarding my
previous question on Spitfire headers.  For a variety of reasons, I am going
with a custom built header.  Next week, the header flange will be cut.  If
anyone else is interested in a header flange for a 1300 Spitfire, please
contact me directly by Friday.  At this point, I have no idea of the cost
but I will be able to get a good idea once I see how many I'll be having
made.

Also, thanks for the tip on the Spitfire crank scraper.  I ordered one,
along with a windage tray this morning.  The timing was perfect considering
where I stand in the new motor build.

Jim Norlin


From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au  Tue Jul 10 21:10:21 2007
From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:10:21 +1000
Subject: [Fot] AUS 2007 All Triumph Race
Message-ID: <01b601c7c369$059df990$2a11efdc@co3017577a>

AMICI
The 2007 Down under annual All Triumph was run and won in late June at the
same venue as last year . Two hours drive south of Sydney is Goulburn's
Wakefield Park Raceway which was again the venue for the annual All British
Race meeting which included two all Triumph races on the program .
Interstate entries of Triumphs  had come from Queensland , Victoria and South
Australia
Ninteen Triumphs entered,  dominated by 6 Dollomites including one very quick
turbo charged Dolly ; 3 TR8 ; 3 TR7; 2 TR6 ; 2 SEDANS ; 2 GT6 and the first
appearance of the Factory all aluminium body racing Spitfire which was
campaigned by Brian Sampson for the factory in the AMI Racing Team .
As soon as the cars commenced practice it was obvious that the TR8s and the
turbo Dolly would dominated the front of the field
This year the race was sponsored by Sports Car Spares and the Pitstop Bookshop
with over a $1200 in prize money and vouchers  up for grabs .
Pole setter Gary Angel in the 4.4L TR8 convertible took the lead from the
first corner and was not headed to achieve a comfortable win from the 4.6L TR8
of Jeff Wards second from the turbo Dolly of Mark Morsillo third. One GT6 did
not start. 18 Triumphs stared and all finished . A video is being produced of
the race and plans are already in place for next years race with more entries

Geoff Byrne
TR6 Down Under


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Tue Jul 10 21:04:58 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:04:58 -0600
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV7D11AF7189F3EBE6E5FE3B7040@phx.gbl>

Oh come on... come to Denver! It was 60 deg. this morning. (but it's a dry
coolness ; -)   So dry in fact I had to swap out the o-rings in the ole' 1.5
Strom's!
Leakin like Georgie's  deficit they were...
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gt6steve at aol.com<mailto:Gt6steve at aol.com>
  To: hottr6 at hotmail.com<mailto:hottr6 at hotmail.com> ;
S.Janzen at comcast.net<mailto:S.Janzen at comcast.net>
  Cc: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
  hottr6 at hotmail.com<mailto:hottr6 at hotmail.com> writes:

  Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC


  Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart bleeds
  for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  horrid
conditions!
  Steve



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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 06:55:07 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:55:07 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch
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Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096687@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I've got some spare bits for the Tilton clutch at home--Peyote had one
originally but I replaced it with the Quartermaster rally two plate. You can
have the bits, but the old Tilton clutch is pretty brutal. The QM setup is
progressive, responsive, and good for about 500 HP I'd guess.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Gary Schneider
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:17 PM
To: Jack W. Drews; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tilton clutch

Jack,
My car came to me with a Tilton clutch and flywheel. It has a
circle-track-type coaxial release so I'm not familiar with your throwout
arrangement. The former owner warned me in 2000 to go easy on it because
Tilton no longer makes them for TRs. If you find out anything different, I'd
love to know too. But assuming it's true the trail is pretty cold by now I'm
afraid.

If you're interested in the coaxial arrangment as an option I could take some
pictures and dimensions when I pull the trans for overdrive work, probably
sometime in August.

Gary Schneider


----- Original Message ----
From: Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
To: fot at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 10:07:36 AM
Subject: [Fot] Tilton clutch


I am working on a TR4 with a Tilton clutch. The throwout bearing
failed and ruined several pieces, including the sleeve upon which the
bearing is mounted. It appears to be a special sleeve, not the TR3 -
TR4or the TR4A. I need to find a source for this piece or have one made.

I've talked with Tilton, and their current tech people have no
knowledge of the Triumph application.

Somebody out there must be selling them specifically for the TR cars.
Can anyone on the list help me with a name of a supplier who may know
about the TR application?

uncle jack



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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 06:58:45 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:58:45 -0700
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Yeah, I know, I was just surprised to hear that TR6's take 3/4 reach since
TR3/4 is 1/2" (BP6HC if you can find them). Geezer bike mechanics like me have
the full line of NGK plug specs memorized.


-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Hollowell [mailto:walt at hot-tr6.com]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:40 PM
To: Bill Babcock; 'Kas Kastner'; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [Fot] plug wires

The threaded part of the NGK BP6ES plug is 3/4". From the bottom of the
compression ring to the tip of the plus is 15/16"
Walt

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 3:04 PM
To: Kas Kastner; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

I just did a posting to AllAluminumTour.com . things are going well, I'm in
Pittsburgh for the PVGP. BeaveRun last weekend was fun. Ran with the
groundpounders. Had a blast. Sure surprised those guys. Having a car that
stops and turns is quite an advantage.

BTW, I'm listening to the Egypt lectures for a second time. Diane wasn't
with me the first time through. We're up to lecture 44, damn it. only 4 more
to go.
Bob Brier is a national treasure. sort of a Dick Feynman of Archeology.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kas Kastner [mailto:kaskas at cox.net]
Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 2:03 PM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

Yes it does, you traveling devil.  How is it going?  Got a couple of your
reports but I sure everyone would like a little more.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Babcock
  To: Walter Hollowell ; Scott Janzen ; fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


  BP6 _E_S, does the TR6 have 3/4" reach plugs??


  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Walter Hollowell
  Sent: Tue 7/10/2007 9:16 AM
  To: 'Scott Janzen'; fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires

  My TR6 also runs a Mallory dual point mechanical advance  distributor that
  has been recurved to better match the hot cam. I use a Mallory racing coil
  called a Promaster.  I am running 10.5:1 compression, big valves in a head
  that is extensively ported. Roller rockers, headers. I am using NGK non
  resistor spark plugs part number BP6ES. I have triple Webers. I found that
  the following spark wire kit works very well. It is made by a company
called
  Taylor. It is 8mm Spiro Pro with the 135 degree boots. Part number 73653.
I
  paid $59.95 for this kit a a local speed shop.
  My engine brings 173 hp to the ground on a chassis dyno at 5,500 ft
  elevation.
  Good luck
  Walt Hollowell
  Abq., NM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
  Behalf Of Scott Janzen
  Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:18 AM
  To: fot at autox.team.net
  Subject: [Fot] plug wires

  I'm looking to install the optimum performance plug wires for my GT6,
  running a Mallory dual point distributor and a Bosch coil.  the car is
  prepped for vintage racing. Any recommendations and sources?
  walt at hot-tr6.com
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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Wed Jul 11 08:08:11 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers
Message-ID: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>

Is there enough interest in the racing community for me to take a run 
at Eaton and try to convince them to make a short run of new Detroit 
Lockers for the TR3-4-6 cars?

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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 08:26:16 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:26:16 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMBRO Body and Triumph Frame Available for new build.
Message-ID: <c32.142c9382.33c64288@cs.com>

Lists:

AMBRO body (unbuilt & unmolested) available and first time offering.  Would 
be possible AMBRO 'continuation of build'.        #ARE-004     and approved for 
vintage racing with most sanctioning bodies.

Body less than list price and includes TR3 chassis with rack & pinion 
conversion. Some body support work done.  $3900

Located in Oklahoma

I have digital pictures that I can send when I return from travel.

I will be at PVGP    TRF   VTR  in the next few days, if someone wants to 
discuss.

Contact me at 319.464.4711 to discuss and or meet.

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From don at carterdesignassociates.com  Wed Jul 11 08:34:09 2007
From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:34:09 -0500
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
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-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of R. John Lye
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 8:43 PM
To: Gt6steve at aol.com; hottr6 at hotmail.com; S.Janzen at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] plug wires


At 09:37 PM 7/10/2007, Gt6steve at aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 7/10/2007 6:29:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
>hottr6 at hotmail.com writes:
>
>Shane  Ingate, sweltering in 98 degrees in swampy DC
>
>
>Dang Shane, we had 117 last week and it was 105 today and my heart 
>bleeds for you!!  Come to Las Vegas and get some relief from those  
>horrid conditions!

I've lived in Denver and the DC area - I'd much rather have 105 degrees in
Denver than 95 degrees in DC.  Actually, come to think of it, I'd much
rather be in Denver than DC in any kind of weather...


R. John Lye

rjl6n at cstone.net 


Hi John!  If any of you would just stop off on the third coast in Houston,
it would condition you to either place, maybe any place.  I would give you
some one-up-man-ship stories, like a real Texan, but suffice it to say the
summers here have matching temps and humidity numbers on a regular basis. I
used to think that 100% humidity meant you were under water, then I learned
that it just makes you wish you were.

Don Carter
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jul 11 10:16:02 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>

I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003


From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 10:16:08 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>

Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Wed Jul 11 10:52:10 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <002a01c7c3db$d2cb6e30$4acd0518@GHOffice>

Dave:

I don't know of any TRs that will be at the Historics, however, some might 
be at the Pre-Historics which is held the prior weekend at Laguna Seca. 
Acceptance letters have gone out already so the complete entry list will be 
posted on the Historics website soon 
http://montereyhistoric.com/participants/list.html. Its a great show which 
you'll enjoy.  Just be sure to get to the track early to avoid the traffic. 
Hope you've already made hotel reservations!

Gary

 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


>I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey 
>Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
>the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
>share of CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jul 11 11:08:06 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <380-2200773111786624@M2W011.mail2web.com>

Yes, they are!  French Creek in particular--I was worried about it
yesterday and called.

Susan     :)


Original Message:
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:08 EDT
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?


Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Wed Jul 11 11:12:44 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:

> Is PA open for business now?

Yes.
 
> Passed the budget?

Yes, it was in the news last evening.

> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.
> 
> Joe & Jan


rml

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From john at race-dogs.com  Wed Jul 11 12:20:50 2007
From: john at race-dogs.com (John W)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:50 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <000301c7c3e8$35dfb1f0$800101df@jawsxp>

I will the fortunate one driving a  1952 Allard K2- #891
This is my Fathers car that has turned the driving duties over to me-
Looking forward to my first Monterrey Historic event as a Driver -

John W.
Spitfire #892 DP
240z CP3

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


>I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey 
>Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
>the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
>share of CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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From budscars at msn.com  Wed Jul 11 12:28:09 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (CHARLES DELAUER)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 18:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
In-Reply-To: <000301c7c3e8$35dfb1f0$800101df@jawsxp>
Message-ID: <BAY5-F72263B351A72F0E3C4FE4C6040@phx.gbl>

I will be there as crew for Bruce John..driving a red BMC Huffaker Form. jr.
Racer Bud..spitfire #21  CSRG


>From: "John W" <john at race-dogs.com>
>Reply-To: John W <john at race-dogs.com>
>To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:20:50 -0700
>
>I will the fortunate one driving a  1952 Allard K2- #891
>This is my Fathers car that has turned the driving duties over to me-
>Looking forward to my first Monterrey Historic event as a Driver -
>
>John W.
>Spitfire #892 DP
>240z CP3
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <d.hesse at charter.net>
>To: "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:16 AM
>Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>
>
> >I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
> >Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
> >the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
> >share of CA wines!
> > Who's cars should I be looking for?
> > Dave Hesse
> > Portage WI
> > Ambro build #ARE-003
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From herald948 at aol.com  Wed Jul 11 12:34:43 2007
From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:34:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] plug wires
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
References: <20070710214122.8C22728506@mxfilter.bnj.com>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096688@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <8C9920148C57D26-10FC-856A@WEBMAIL-DC01.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Babcock <BillB at bnj.com>

Yeah, I know, I was just surprised to hear that TR6's take 3/4 reach 
since
TR3/4 is 1/2" (BP6HC if you can find them). Geezer bike mechanics like 
me have
the full line of NGK plug specs memorized.

==AM==
Let's see now... the 948cc Herald engine took 3/4" reach plugs. The 
almost identical 1147cc Herald/Spitfire engine took 1/2" reach plugs. 
The 1296cc Herald/Spitfire and the 1493 Spitfire engines took 3/4" 
reach plugs. Confusing to say the least!


--Andy  Mace

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, 
Triumph Herald engine with  wings.
 -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus  (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 12:55:14 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:55:14 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609668F@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Painful to say, I'll be elsewhere, but look for Greg Solow for sure.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of d.hesse at charter.net
Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
To: fot
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?

I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch the
races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair share of
CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
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From BillB at bnj.com  Wed Jul 11 12:56:04 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:56:04 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
References: <d4b.b327942.33c65c48@cs.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096690@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

the park at Lake Arthur is reopened, I assume the rest of the state is too.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of N197TR4 at cs.com
Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?

Is PA open for business now?

Passed the budget?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.

Joe & Jan

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Wed Jul 11 20:01:35 2007
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:01:35 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers
In-Reply-To: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200707111408.l6BE8H3T086893@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <46958B7F.4000807@blacksburg.net>

Jack W. Drews wrote:
> Is there enough interest in the racing community for me to take a run 
> at Eaton and try to convince them to make a short run of new Detroit 
> Lockers for the TR3-4-6 cars?
> 
> uncle jack 

Jack, if they can make one for < $1K, count me in.

Jim

-- 
J.C. Hassall
Blacksburg  VA
64 TR4 in autox preparation
95% finished, 90% to go


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Jul 11 20:33:32 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 22:33:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <380-22007741223332985@M2W004.mail2web.com>

how are you getting there//?

Original Message:
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From:  d.hesse at charter.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Wed Jul 11 20:35:42 2007
From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:35:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
References: <384481681.1184170562452.JavaMail.root@fepweb14>
	<A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609668F@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <004701c7c42d$584ca960$6401a8c0@TER2>

I wish that I were going to be there, but my entry was not accepted.
                                                                             
    Greg Solow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Babcock" <BillB at bnj.com>
To: <d.hesse at charter.net>; "fot" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


> Painful to say, I'll be elsewhere, but look for Greg Solow for sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of d.hesse at charter.net
> Sent: Wed 7/11/2007 9:16 AM
> To: fot
> Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
>
> I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
> Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch 
> the
> races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair 
> share of
> CA wines!
> Who's cars should I be looking for?
> Dave Hesse
> Portage WI
> Ambro build #ARE-003
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Wed Jul 11 22:08:49 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:08:49 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?
Message-ID: <894363384.1184213329224.JavaMail.root@fepweb07>

We're flying out on Thursday and back on Monday. Long weekend. Actually it was
my wife and my buddies wife that jumped at the opportunity when I brought it
up. So the four of us are coming out for the weekend. We already have 3 people
willing to bail us out if we get into trouble? We've got the Rodney
Dangerfield outfit for the Pebble Beach Concours.
Schedule thus far: Friday Laguna Seca for Historics, Saturday ?, and Sunday
Pebble Beach. And of course drink/taste test lots of CA wine. I need to see if
they have one that can top the Riesling from Glenora Winery in NY.
We're staying at a B&B in Santa Cruz. So we'll get our fair share of driving
in to get places.
Dave Hesse
Ambro build ARE-003

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how are you getting there//?

Original Message:
-----------------
From: d.hesse at charter.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 9:16:02 -0700
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics?


I know it's early, but who from the TR group will be at the Monterey
Historics? A few of us crazies from WI are doing a long weekend to catch
the races and the Pebble Beach Concours. Oh and of course, drink our fair
share of CA wines!
Who's cars should I be looking for?
Dave Hesse
Portage WI
Ambro build #ARE-003
n197tr4 at cs.com
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From rikrock at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 07:14:57 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:14:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autocross
Message-ID: <8C9929DC7716932-51C-AA84@FWM-R08.sysops.aol.com>

Some info for those of you who offered to help.? Tech inspection is scheduled for 2-4pm Wednesday in the Sheraton parking lot (though it will likely run a little longer), and from 8-10am Thursday.

Preliminary course setup starts around 5:30pm Wednesday.? Final course setup will start by 7am Thursday.? First car off 9:30 am.

Four heats. 30 cars per heat.? First two heats are for "Stock" class cars.? Everyone else runs third or fourth heat.

The course is within walking distance of the hotel.? I will get there about 3:30 pm Tuesday.? 

See ya soon...

Rich Rock

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Thu Jul 12 08:59:13 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:59:13 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers - nada
Message-ID: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>

No hope for a short run of Detroit Lockers. The type LS ceased 
production 20 years ago, and in the interim a chief engineer 
responsible for records threw away all the drawings (so the present 
people say). plus Eaton is interested only in high volume product.

Sorry about that, gang.

uncle jack 



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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Thu Jul 12 09:10:41 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:10:41 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts
Message-ID: <46964471.6080903@bright.net>

List members. We are packing for VTR.  Several of you have contacted us 
about bringing shirts to VTR.  If anyone else wants their shirts taken 
to VTR, please let me know ASAP.  We still need to hear from several 
people on shirt shipping and payment. Thanks for your time.  Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
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http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
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From triosan at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 09:18:58 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:18:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Detroit Lockers - nada
In-Reply-To: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <200707121459.l6CExJJQ368142@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707120818j5db6fd47m214673602ab74a60@mail.gmail.com>

I would participate in a mass buy of the Tran-X [Salisbury] diff.  I think
Ken Gillanders sells them??  But they come form England.

On 7/12/07, Jack W. Drews <vinttr4 at geneseo.net> wrote:
>
> No hope for a short run of Detroit Lockers. The type LS ceased
> production 20 years ago, and in the interim a chief engineer
> responsible for records threw away all the drawings (so the present
> people say). plus Eaton is interested only in high volume product.
>
> Sorry about that, gang.
>
> uncle jack
>
>
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From bownes at seiri.com  Thu Jul 12 06:08:58 2007
From: bownes at seiri.com (Bob Bownes)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 08:08:58 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR4 IRS differential disassembly
In-Reply-To: <200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
References: <001501c7c1dd$7fe66fd0$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
	<200707091033.l69AX5Ze393659@ns3.geneseo.net>
Message-ID: <20070712120344.M98288@rockstar.seiri.com>

And don't let the end caps get swapped...

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 05:32:56 -0500, Jack W. Drews wrote
> Sure. I've taken quite a few apart and have had to use a case 
> spreader tool only once or twice. The odds are that you can remove 
> the diff without it. You take off the rear cover and turn the diff 
> carrier so that the open sides of the casting are on the top and 
> bottom, as viewed from the rear of the car. Then you take two long 
> screw drivers or similar pry bars, stick the ends into the cavities 
> of the carrier, and pry it right straight out. You can usually move 
> it far enough that you can then get your fingers in there and lift 
> it the rest of the way out.
> 
> At 10:59 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
> >I'm installing ( or trying to install ) a Phantom Grip LSD device in my
> >IRS diff. Does anyone know the proceedure for disassembling
> >the differantial with conventional tools ?
> >Jim Gray
> >Aurora, Co.
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From s.janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 12 20:32:47 2007
From: s.janzen at comcast.net (s.janzen at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 02:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Pennsylvania Open For Business?
Message-ID: <071320070232.2900.4696E44F000D3FB600000B542200735834020A96020E06D29C@comcast.net>

yep - budget got worked out over the weekend.  The slot machines were only closed for one day.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: N197TR4 at cs.com
> Is PA open for business now?
> 
> Passed the budget?
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know.
> 
> Especially since we plan to camp in the State Parks.
> 
> Joe & Jan
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From triosan at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 13:04:39 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 12:04:39 -0700
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Building a 150 hp engine
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707131204m3956cfc0jdb0d3c7fce1cf1e0@mail.gmail.com>

Do not think Kas got 240+ HP with carbs like he did with PI [14:1
compression, rebuild about every 4 hours of use?].

150 with 9.5:1 might be a reach.  No one has mentioned the other variable on
breathing -- and that is exhaust.  The exhaust system is what sucks the
gases out of the cylinder, not just the push of the piston [exhaust is up to
80% or more as I remember from the Vizzard article I read].  You do need to
port the head and you probably need to go to a good tubular header and
single 2.5" exhaust pipe system to optimize the power of the carbs and
cam.   I am having astreet car engine built now -- it will have the Webers,
header, ported head, and a Kent D9 cam -- which is pretty aggressive but
still idles ok for me -- it has been in the car before.

This car will be for sale when I get it back together.  It will contain the
above rebuilt engine, an Electromotive crank fired ignition system, a Herman
Van Den Akker Toyota 5 speed, a Good PArts conversion to the Nissan 300Z
diff, racing seats, roll bar, fuel cell, and 16" Panasport wheels [plus the
original seats, an unistalled luggage rack and conveyable top frame, and a
set of steel rims with AVS intermediate tires].  Would be interested if
anyone is interested in this car, and if so, what they would be willing to
pay.  I will setup a website with pictures when ready and offer the car to
the Triumphs, 6Pack and FOT lists before going the eBay route.

-- 
Chuck Arnold


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 15:20:25 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:20:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Message-ID: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>

What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?  I have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size but doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500


From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 16:01:19 2007
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:01:19 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Message-ID: <8740663.1184364079332.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi I am looking for a factory wiring diagram for a Nov of 71 Spit.  Any one have one they can email  I have the Haynes one   jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thanks   Joe


From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Fri Jul 13 16:02:34 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:02:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] [BULK]   vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74611E9C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I'm running 205/60-13s on both the Spitfire racer and my autox/street
GT6.  No flares on either, though it helps to roll up the inner fender
lips.  Both run on the 5-inch minilight pretender wheels.

I'm assuming this is for a Spitfire...

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 4:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [BULK] [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
Importance: Low

What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?
I have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size
but doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500
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From jsiam1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 16:08:58 2007
From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:08:58 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] 72 Spitfire wiring diagram
Message-ID: <26595987.1184364538808.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I am looking for a factory wiring diagram anyone have one they can email me. thanks  joe


From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 16:27:08 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:27:08 +0000
Subject: [Fot] [TR] Building a 150 hp engine
Message-ID: <071320072227.24290.4697FC3C000C7E2600005EE22207020653970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> 

> Do not think Kas got 240+ HP with carbs like he did with PI [14:1 
> compression, rebuild about every 4 hours of use?]. 
I thought I remembered him telling us he got 258 hp on Strombergs, when he was speaking at a VTR Convention a few years ago (Portland, OR).
Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Fri Jul 13 16:30:11 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:30:11 -0700
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7c59d$61614350$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

5 1/2 inch x 13 Panasports with 0 offset Formula Ford rims.  Tires are a bit
small at 175/60-13.  However even with the inner fender rims rolled up, I
still kiss the outer corner of the tire on the front fender when I drop the
ride height down to where I want it.

Jim Norlin


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:20 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires


What size tires and rims to the vintage guys without fender flares run?  I
have a friend who is autoxing and wants to go with a different size but
doesn't want to do flares on his stock ride.

Rim size and offset would be helpful and tire size.

thanks
aaron
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 13 19:47:38 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:47:38 -0600
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
References: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>

Is this a squaretail or early roundtail car?  Squaretail cars have
more room to start with.

mjb.


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Fri Jul 13 20:05:43 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 22:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
In-Reply-To: <46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>
References: <f4d9c46e55ce7.4697b459@insightbb.com>
	<46982B3A.1040709@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <f4c2dcd6576a9.4697f737@insightbb.com>

Roundtail

aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
Date: Friday, July 13, 2007 21:47
Subject: Re: [Fot] vintage race spitfire rims/tires
To: fpspitfire at insightbb.com
Cc: fot at autox.team.net

> Is this a squaretail or early roundtail car?  Squaretail 
> cars have
> more room to start with.
> 
> mjb.


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Fri Jul 13 22:55:48 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 00:55:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

Leon

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From gasket.works at verizon.net  Sat Jul 14 00:27:47 2007
From: gasket.works at verizon.net (MDunst/Gasket Works)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:27:47 -0700
Subject: [Fot] cranks
Message-ID: <007401c7c5e0$18e426e0$c602a8c0@x4k3e8>

Crankshafts have been UPS'd or ground Fedexe'd on June 12.

They are going to make another run as they have two additional orders -so if
interested let me know.
M. Dunst
www.headgasket.com
Gasket Works USA, LLC
626.358.1616 Voice
626.628.3777 Fax
GMT -8  Pacific


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Fri Jul 13 23:18:27 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:18:27 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV124B03B5FE8A58934FBA98B7FE0@phx.gbl>

seemed ok yesterday   kev
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  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander


  Hi,

  Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

  He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

  Leon

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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 06:15:18 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:15:18 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <071420071215.24930.4698BE5600032942000061622200762302970A9D010507@comcast.net>

Joe Alexander is on the road. I spoke to him the other evening from Ohio. He is at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix at Schenley Park this weekend, and is working his way towards VTR.

I'm sure at some point soon he will check his email.

Irv

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "KEVIN LYNCH" <klynch_6 at msn.com> 

> seemed ok yesterday kev 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com 
> To: fot at autox.team.net 
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:55 PM 
> Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander 
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> Does anyone know if Joe is OK? 
> 
> He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him. 
> 
> Leon 
> 
> > HREF="http://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963">http://community.websho 
> ts.com/user/vitesse1963> 3Ehttp://community.webshots.com/user/vitesse1963%3C/A>> 
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sat Jul 14 08:01:17 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:01:17 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <d68.b938e2e.33ca312d@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/13/2007 11:56:08 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Guyots3 at wmconnect.com writes:


> Does anyone know if Joe is OK?
> 

Joe Alexander?  Geezzz...that's a tough question.  Ask Jan.

Bill (Damdinger)



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From emanteno at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 11:17:52 2007
From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 17:17:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <071420071717.17354.4699054000038556000043CA2207021633970A9D010507@comcast.net>

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: BillDentin at aol.com 

> Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan. 
I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
;-)
Irv


From Scypher at USA.com  Sat Jul 14 12:09:53 2007
From: Scypher at USA.com (Scypher at USA.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <E44B0AB1-9219-4441-9F95-55AA98CECC8E@usa.com>

I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided  
at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under  
stage of their life.

How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need  
to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an  
already prepped crank to the next size.

Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from  
the factory?

Thanks
-Scott


From scypher at usa.com  Sat Jul 14 12:29:18 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0707141116l2f3c2ecw974bf16b0f824bff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E44B0AB1-9219-4441-9F95-55AA98CECC8E@usa.com>
	<8cbd782d0707141116l2f3c2ecw974bf16b0f824bff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <093213AD-AB3D-4661-A340-BA7C3044B473@usa.com>

This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and  
nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie  
surface hardness)

Thanks
-S


On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010  
> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt  
> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least . 
> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they  
> were at when nitrad
>
> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under
> stage of their life.
>
> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an
> already prepped crank to the next size.
>
> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> the factory?
>
> Thanks
> -Scott
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> triosan at gmail.com
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
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>
>
> -- 
> Chuck Arnold


From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul 14 15:54:58 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 14:54:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] VINTAGE RACE CAR WANTED
Message-ID: <007901c7c661$a1499570$e98cb304@Bud>

Hi Folks...If anyone knows of a vintage racing Spitfire...GT6..or Tr4 that
would likely be CSRG acceptable(basicaly period correct for 1967 SCCA
production car specs), please contact Jim Barger at jcbarger at sbcglobal.net
Thanks
Racer Bud  Spitfire #21  Sonoma, Ca.


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sat Jul 14 18:27:30 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 20:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c7c676$ee711f20$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

I saw Joe and Jan at British Car Day at the PVGP today. Seemed O.K. to me. 
He was vertical and taking nourishment.

Ed Woods 


From fpspitfire at insightbb.com  Sat Jul 14 19:58:27 2007
From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:58:27 -0400
Subject: [Fot] 3-rail spitfire shifter help needed
Message-ID: <f3daa57a52103.46994703@insightbb.com>

Amici...

I'm tired of breaking spherical bushings on my 3 rail gearbox.

Anyone out there have something or know of something a little better?

I just bought a new one and it cracked while I was sliding it on!

aaron
#87 HP Spitfire 1500


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat Jul 14 23:43:33 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <ce4.157b869d.33cb0e05@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com 
> 
> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan. 
> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
> ;-)
> Irv
> 
It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.

It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for 
another, would we?

L 

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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Sun Jul 15 10:09:22 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 10:09:22 -0600
Subject: [Fot] A type overdrive transmission
Message-ID: <000001c7c6fa$8211d980$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I'm looking for an OD trans for my TR4, has anyone got a spare they
would be willing to part with ?
Thanks,
Jim Gray


From mattspit at att.net  Sun Jul 15 15:15:33 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:15:33 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or scratching it. 
All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re-nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other part of the crank it is probably fine.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and  
> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie  
> surface hardness)
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010  
> > under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt  
> > engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least . 
> > 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they  
> > were at when nitrad
> >
> > On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> > I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> > at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040 under
> > stage of their life.
> >
> > How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> > to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning down an
> > already prepped crank to the next size.
> >
> > Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> > the factory?
> >
> > Thanks
> > -Scott
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > triosan at gmail.com
> > Fot mailing list
> > Fot at autox.team.net
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Chuck Arnold
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> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> 
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From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Tue Jul 10 17:36:02 2007
From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:36:02 +1000
Subject: [Fot] RE limited slip diffs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14911.1184081534.18067.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c7c34b$13fefcf0$0301010a@purplebox>

We are currently doing an engineering viability exercise on remaking the
Salisbury plate type LSD for TR3-6, Stag etc. At this stage there is no
impediment and all the machine work and parts have been identified. they
would be around Aus$1800. This may be too expensive for you guys in the
USA, but it's competitive with alternatives bought here from UK. If
anyone is interested, let me know.
Terry O'Beirne 


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 16 05:37:19 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:37:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <380-2200771161137193@M2W040.mail2web.com>

Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
wireless.

Joe A



Original Message:
-----------------
From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
emanteno at comcast.net writes:

> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>
> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
> ;-)
> Irv
>
It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.

It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
another, would we?

L

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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul 16 05:46:42 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <380-2200771161137193@M2W040.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c7c79e$fb0f90d0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
If so where
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
> wireless.
>
> Joe A
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>
>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>>
> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>
> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
> another, would we?
>
> L
>
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From scypher at usa.com  Mon Jul 16 05:48:36 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
In-Reply-To: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>
References: <071520072115.9997.469A8E750004FC620000270D21602806519B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>
Message-ID: <263E6A77-B635-4709-9DC8-A63C8C122EB2@usa.com>

I will give this a try tonite.

Can you explain salt bath nitriding ?  I've only heard of plasma/ion  
and furnace nitriding.

Do you do this yourself, or do you have someone do this process?

Thanks
-S


On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, mattspit at att.net wrote:

> Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or  
> scratching it.
> All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is  
> not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
> If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area  
> other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
> Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place  
> where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re- 
> nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other  
> part of the crank it is probably fine.
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>>
>> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and
>> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie
>> surface hardness)
>>
>> Thanks
>> -S
>>
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010
>>> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt
>>> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least .
>>> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they
>>> were at when nitrad
>>>
>>> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
>>> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
>>> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040  
>>> under
>>> stage of their life.
>>>
>>> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
>>> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning  
>>> down an
>>> already prepped crank to the next size.
>>>
>>> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
>>> the factory?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Scott
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> triosan at gmail.com
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Chuck Arnold
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 16 05:59:53 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
Message-ID: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>

I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any get
together.

Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
If so where
Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
> wireless.
>
> Joe A
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>
>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>
>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>> ;-)
>> Irv
>>
> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>
> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
> another, would we?
>
> L
>
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>
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From wensley_Tr at comcast.net  Mon Jul 16 06:15:05 2007
From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:15:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>

OK Joe
It looks like I will get there on Wednesday
John will be there on Tuesday. His computer is down so I can pass anything 
information on Monday only.
Craig

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
To: <wensley_tr at comcast.net>; <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


>I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any get
> together.
>
> Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
> like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
> To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
> Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
> If so where
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
>> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
>> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now have
>> wireless.
>>
>> Joe A
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
>> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>>
>>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>>
>>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>>> ;-)
>>> Irv
>>>
>> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>>
>> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
>> another, would we?
>>
>> L
>>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 16 09:27:22 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 08:27:22 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander
References: <c26.1910ba3f.33c9b154@wmconnect.com>
	<BAY124-DAV124B03B5FE8A58934FBA98B7FE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E6096697@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Joe is traveling--I saw him Saturday at the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Fri 7/13/2007 10:18 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net; Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander

seemed ok yesterday   kev
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Subject: [Fot] Joe Alexander


  Hi,

  Does anyone know if Joe is OK?

  He is not answering his emails which seems rather unlike him.

  Leon

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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Mon Jul 16 10:34:48 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:34:48 -0600
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>

 Hello all,  just a thank you to Ted & Marty etc. as the shirt looks great.

Kev Lynch


From billsohl at optonline.net  Mon Jul 16 10:58:06 2007
From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR FOT Convention attendees
In-Reply-To: <005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>
References: <380-220077116115953638@M2W012.mail2web.com>
	<005601c7c7a2$f201c4a0$0200a8c0@Desktop>
Message-ID: <5D36DDE002EB4878B1A1C4C038995C7D@SohlPC>

I will be down there on Thursday and Friday.

Plan is to have my Unrestored original Signal Red 61 TR-3A on the concour 
field in a "do not judge" capacity for others to view.
We also plan to attend the various Thursday evening festivities.

Bill Sohl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Craig" <wensley_Tr at comcast.net>
To: <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander


> OK Joe
> It looks like I will get there on Wednesday
> John will be there on Tuesday. His computer is down so I can pass anything
> information on Monday only.
> Craig
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
> To: <wensley_tr at comcast.net>; <n197tr4 at cs.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>
>
>>I am going to hang out at registration on Tuesday...but not sure of any 
>>get
>> together.
>>
>> Someone should organize something. Tuesday night at the reception seems
>> like a good time to wear  FoT shirts and yak.
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Craig wensley_Tr at comcast.net
>> Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:46:42 -0400
>> To: n197tr4 at cs.com, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>> Hi Joe is there going to be a meeting or get together at VTR?
>> If so where
>> Craig
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>> To: <guyots3 at wmconnect.com>; <emanteno at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>
>>
>>> Are you guys talking about me?  We are in Philly right now. Saw the
>>> Babcocks on Saturday (and the gay dog) Graduated from a tent and now 
>>> have
>>> wireless.
>>>
>>> Joe A
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From:  Guyots3 at wmconnect.com
>>> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 01:43:33 EDT
>>> To: emanteno at comcast.net, fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Joe Alexander
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/14/2007 10:18:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> emanteno at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>>> From: BillDentin at aol.com
>>>>
>>>> > Joe Alexander? Geezzz...that's a tough question. Ask Jan.
>>>> I also spoke to Jan. She's still smiling.
>>>> ;-)
>>>> Irv
>>>>
>>> It IS pretty funny, when you look at it like that.
>>>
>>> It's true, Joe IS a certain kind of guy, but we wouldn't swap him for
>>> another, would we?
>>>
>>> L
>>>
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>>>
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From dave at microworks.net  Mon Jul 16 11:08:56 2007
From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 10:08:56 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Triumphest Posters & Raffle Tickets
Message-ID: <20070716171132.IPKM1393.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>

DCTRA (Desert Center - Triumph Register of America) will be hosting 
Triumphest this year and one of our members has designed up a parody 
event poster that commemorates the obvious theme (007) due to the 
year 2007, that the event is being held at a Casino and that Bond 
drove a Stag in the Film.

The response to the parody posters has been so well received that we 
have decided to make them available directly along with being able to 
purchase Raffle Tickets for the Car lift that will be awarded at Triumphest.

Here is a link to the order form on the TFest website.

http://www.triumphest.com/?page_id=39

-----------------------------
For those receiving this email that are not familiar with Triumphest 
it is an event started in the late 80's that is hosted on a revolving 
annual basis by the West Coast (California and Arizona) Triumph Auto Clubs.


From roadandtrack at bigpond.com  Mon Jul 16 16:04:08 2007
From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:04:08 +1000
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1350.1184605105.12556.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>

The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the hottank
absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a depth of
around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it done that
way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the workshop, and
it is definitely NOT nitrided
terry


From scypher at usa.com  Mon Jul 16 17:29:38 2007
From: scypher at usa.com (Scypher@USA.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:29:38 -0400
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
In-Reply-To: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>
References: <20070716220404.NKRC5648.oaamta07ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01>
Message-ID: <40689F58-9C7D-402D-9582-42F0073FE414@usa.com>

I'm not familiar with the various vendors who perform nitriding.  Can  
y'all give me a few recommended ones?

Thanks
-S


On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:04 PM, "Terry and Cindy"  
<roadandtrack at bigpond.com> wrote:

> The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the  
> hottank
> absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
> cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a  
> depth of
> around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
> nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it  
> done that
> way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the  
> workshop, and
> it is definitely NOT nitrided
> terry
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From kaskas at cox.net  Mon Jul 16 19:00:54 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:00:54 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Book problems
Message-ID: <019b01c7c80d$ede757c0$4d13c548@RWKastner>

It has come to my attention some of the 3rd edition of the Competition
Preparation Manual (first book) has an error in the text on page 61 and page
204. (text is transposed from one area to the other) Nothing I could control
as it was an error at the print shop.

I have a corrected copy fix available by E-mail for any that have found this
error in their book. The corrected page is a simply print it and paste into
the book over the original page.

This applies only to the 3rd printing of the book. Check the first page of
your book for the print edition. For the corrected pages,  just send me an
E-mail and I'll E-mail the corrected pages. Sorry for the difficulty and
inconvience.

Kas Kastner


From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jul 16 19:47:29 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:47:29 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FOT Shirt
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY124-DAV4391A7F30496C3C4502C0B7F80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20070717014834.5ABE11879C7@autox.team.net>

I'll second that!  They are nicely done.

- Tony Drews

At 11:34 AM 7/16/2007, KEVIN LYNCH wrote:
>  Hello all,  just a thank you to Ted & Marty etc. as the shirt looks great.
>
>Kev Lynch


From mattspit at att.net  Mon Jul 16 23:26:24 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:26:24 +0000
Subject: [Fot] nitriding
Message-ID: <071720070526.16700.469C530000024BAB0000413C21602807419B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

I am in Houston, Tx.
I use Houston Unlimited, Chappell Hill TX.
They do salt bath nitriding by the customer lot. I think it was $125 for up to 125 lbs last time I went so i do several cranks and other parts at one time.
We tested depth at some time in the dark ages, i seem to think it is 0.025 to 0.030 depth with the hardness falling off as you regring the crank to deeper layers.


-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> I'm not familiar with the various vendors who perform nitriding.  Can  
> y'all give me a few recommended ones?
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 16, 2007, at 6:04 PM, "Terry and Cindy"  
> <roadandtrack at bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > The thickness of nitriding depends on how long it is left in the  
> > hottank
> > absorbing the carrier gasses. In my experiences with various brands of
> > cranks and local nitriding companies, most are only nitrified to a  
> > depth of
> > around 0.015". A file test is usually quite OK to determine if it is
> > nitrided. If we want a deeper layer, we have to specially order it  
> > done that
> > way. I have just checked a stock (unground) 1500 crank in the  
> > workshop, and
> > it is definitely NOT nitrided
> > terry
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From mattspit at att.net  Mon Jul 16 23:32:52 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Verifying if a crank surface is nitrided
Message-ID: <071720070532.19713.469C548400015C2600004D0121602807419B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

look at htpp://houstonunlimitedinc.com
It explains it.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
>
> I will give this a try tonite.
> 
> Can you explain salt bath nitriding ?  I've only heard of plasma/ion  
> and furnace nitriding.
> 
> Do you do this yourself, or do you have someone do this process?
> 
> Thanks
> -S
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2007, at 5:15 PM, mattspit at att.net wrote:
> 
> > Most hardness tests rely on making a dent in the material or  
> > scratching it.
> > All my nitrided parts are black, when fresh, but all nitrideing is  
> > not the same. I use salt bath nitriding.
> > If the crank is black try touching it lightly with a file in an area  
> > other than the journal. It should feel hard and not cut it.
> > Then go the the jounal with the file, try to test it on a place  
> > where the bearing does not ride, if it cuts it, it need to be re- 
> > nitrided, and perhaps gorund again. If it feels hard like the other  
> > part of the crank it is probably fine.
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Scypher at USA.com" <scypher at usa.com>
> >>
> >> This is the problem.  The previous owner doesn't know the history and
> >> nor do I....  I'd like to know if there a test that can be done (ie
> >> surface hardness)
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> -S
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, "Chuck Arnold" <triosan at gmail.com>  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I had a stock sized one nitrited, then needed to get it to .010
> >>> under [burned a rod bearing running with no oil pressure].  Mt
> >>> engine builder said no problem -- nitriitng is good for at least .
> >>> 020.  So it depends on at what stage of their grinding life they
> >>> were at when nitrad
> >>>
> >>> On 7/14/07, Scypher @ USA. com <scypher at usa.com> wrote:
> >>> I have a number of spare spit 1500 cranks that were clearly nitrided
> >>> at some point in their life, but are at the 020 030 and even 040  
> >>> under
> >>> stage of their life.
> >>>
> >>> How do I determine there is enough of a nitrided layer left?  I need
> >>> to decide about prepping a new crank and nitriding, or turning  
> >>> down an
> >>> already prepped crank to the next size.
> >>>
> >>> Can anyone verify if stock 1500 cranks came with any nitriding from
> >>> the factory?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> -Scott
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >>>
> >>> triosan at gmail.com
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Chuck Arnold
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From mattspit at att.net  Tue Jul 17 13:32:15 2007
From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 19:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Fot] spit for sale
Message-ID: <071720071932.17218.469D193E000D2F6F0000434221602810609B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net>

Sorry if this is poor form.

Several of you helped me figure out where to advertise my car for sale. Thanks.
I now have it posted several places such as marketplace.grassrootsmotorsports.com  item 730. The most complete information is on race-cars.com id #1184262564 Green Spitfire racing package.
I have had lots of lookers at the race-cars site but so far only requests that I sell parts or make some fiberglass body panels and maybe build an engine.
Please tell anyone you know. It is a complete racing package, everything you need except the wrenches.
I am moving from Houston to Sanford N.C. and hope to sell it before I move.

If someone could tell me what I would need to turn the car into vintage I would appreciate it.

Thanks

Matt Matthews


From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jul 18 21:43:53 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 21:43:53 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
Message-ID: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>

This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

mjb.


From budscars at msn.com  Wed Jul 18 21:48:27 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c7c9b7$ac805c40$3d83b304@Bud>

Hi Pal....I don't know....But.....There are times in life when a question 
like yours sure as heck reminds us of how beautifuly basic our lives can be
Thanks friend
Racer Bud  Spitfire # 21 sonoma, Ca.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:43 PM
Subject: [Fot] Odd request


> This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
> maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
> answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?
>
> mjb.
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From kaskas at cox.net  Wed Jul 18 21:59:02 2007
From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 20:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <016501c7c9b9$254637c0$4d13c548@RWKastner>

I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner


From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Wed Jul 18 22:55:46 2007
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 23:55:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>

Quoth "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>:

> Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

As always, the answer is "yes and no".

 From Wikipedia:

The end finally came on February 8, 1999, when word came down from
Stroh headquarters that the 149 year-old brewer was selling its labels
to the Pabst Brewing Company and Miller Brewing Company. John Stroh
III, now company president and chief executive, said of the decision
to sell: "Emotionally, it was an extremely difficult one to make,
knowing that it would impact our loyal employees, and recognizing that
it would mean the end of our family's centuries old brewing tradition
that had become, in essence, an important part of our identity.

After its disolution in 2000, some Stroh brands were discontinued,
while others were purchased by other breweries. The Pabst Brewing
Company acquired the most Stroh/Heilman brands. They currently produce
Colt 45 malt liquor, Lone Star, Schaefer, Schlitz, Schmidt's, Old
Milwaukee, Old Style, Stroh's, and St. Ides. The Miller Brewing
Company got Mickey's Malt Liquor and Henry Weinhard's. Most other
Stroh/Heileman brands disappeared after 2000

Jim Hill


From jaboruch at netzero.net  Thu Jul 19 07:17:02 2007
From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:17:02 GMT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <20070719.091702.21216.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got it for
me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do recall
seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines, long
ago.  Joe(B)

-- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.

Never Be beaten by Equipment
Kas Kastner
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From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 10:35:13 2007
From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:35:13 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <FCEGIHAKDJFAMCOPHGBEOEPADMAA.dmitchel@sbcglobal.net>

Living here in the Great Flat Spot known as Detroit, also the
historic home of Stroh's, I haven't seen it lately. I will
admit that I haven't looked for it. To the best of my knowledge,
it is no longer brewed.

There still is Stroh's Ice Cream. They got into that business
in the 1920's, during prohibition.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of
Mark J. Bradakis
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:44 PM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Odd request


This has nothing to do with Triumphs, or racing, but I thought
maybe one of you back in the Great Flat Spot might know the
answer.  Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?

mjb.
dmitchel at sbcglobal.net
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 19 10:44:42 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:44:42 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>

I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
but bear with me if you will.  Or just chuck this message into the bit
bucket if you prefer.

Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
Michigan to South Bend, Indiana.  The new house wasn't  quite
finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
for beer.

Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of  finishing
work on the new place.  One of the bigger things he took on
was digging the hole for the septic tank.  Being a somehat
able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
the task.  I remember one hot summer saturday when we
were slaving away, trying to get it finished.  Dad says it
is time for a break.  I collapse on the ground next to the
hole, he goes in the house.  Moments later he comes out
with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
me.  That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
had.

Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
was just thinking it would be nice to  sit back, relax, crack
open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

mjb.


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Jul 19 11:15:16 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 11:15:16 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
  <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV139233AED087CFAD61232BB7FB0@phx.gbl>

Mark, thanks for sharing, what a poignant moment in time.  Please accept my
sympathies to you & yours.

Kev Lynch
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Mark J. Bradakis<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>
  To: FOT at autox.team.net<mailto:FOT at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:44 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request


  I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
  but bear with me if you will.  Or just chuck this message into the bit
  bucket if you prefer.

  Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
  Michigan to South Bend, Indiana.  The new house wasn't  quite
  finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
  from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
  for beer.

  Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of  finishing
  work on the new place.  One of the bigger things he took on
  was digging the hole for the septic tank.  Being a somehat
  able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
  the task.  I remember one hot summer saturday when we
  were slaving away, trying to get it finished.  Dad says it
  is time for a break.  I collapse on the ground next to the
  hole, he goes in the house.  Moments later he comes out
  with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
  me.  That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
  had.

  Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
  was just thinking it would be nice to  sit back, relax, crack
  open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

  mjb.
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From sbracing at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 19 11:31:50 2007
From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request
In-Reply-To: <469F94FA.60503@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <171818.38027.qm@web81014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark,
   
  Great father and son story.  Gee,  maybe I should make some time to sit down and share a cold one with my 16 year old son on my 50th birthday next week?   The beer of choice will be a Yuengling.

"Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
  I might as well tell the rest of the story, somewhat lengthy and personal,
but bear with me if you will. Or just chuck this message into the bit
bucket if you prefer.

Back when I was maybe 10 years old, we moved from Dowagiac,
Michigan to South Bend, Indiana. The new house wasn't quite
finished yet, we actually had to live in apartment across the street
from the Drewery's Brewery - maybe that explains my fondness
for beer.

Anyway, to save some money my father did a fair bit of finishing
work on the new place. One of the bigger things he took on
was digging the hole for the septic tank. Being a somehat
able bodied lad of 10, I of course was required to assist in
the task. I remember one hot summer saturday when we
were slaving away, trying to get it finished. Dad says it
is time for a break. I collapse on the ground next to the
hole, he goes in the house. Moments later he comes out
with two very cold cans of Strohs, and he hands one to
me. That was, still to this day, the BEST beer I've ever
had.

Well, my father passed away Wednesday morning, and I
was just thinking it would be nice to sit back, relax, crack
open a cold Strohs and say "Thanks for everything, Dad!"

mjb.
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 12:47:11 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:47:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <c75.124aa9b2.33d10baf@aol.com>

Precision Plastics in England made a trunk lid for me.  40 Pounds to make it,
and 60 Pounds to ship it across the drink.

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 15:23:25 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:23:25 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <BAY115-F40CB2706ABD213366E8B828CFB0@phx.gbl>

Kas wrote:

>I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3.......

Ahhh, I get it now, a fibreglass bonnet!

Sorry, cannot help there.

Shane Ingate, often needing help in American-English translation, in 
Maryland

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From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 19 18:20:30 2007
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:20:30 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
References: <20070719.091702.21216.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7ca63$ca30fe50$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>

Do they make fiberglas floorpans?

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <rwolff at cox.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass


> Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got it 
> for
> me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do 
> recall
> seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines, 
> long
> ago.  Joe(B)
>
> -- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.  Can
> anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 19:10:03 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:10:03 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
Message-ID: <d48.d18ecf4.33d1656b@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/07 5:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com writes:

<< Do they make fiberglas floorpans? >>

Probably not due to fires.
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From lfritz82 at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 19 19:28:12 2007
From: lfritz82 at hotmail.com (Lorne Fritz)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
Message-ID: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>

I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central Pennsylvania to 
Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company, or is 
anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 20:26:14 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
	<20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>
Message-ID: <005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I was weaned on Strohs too and drank many $2 pitchers of it in my Pittsburgh 
days.  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty.
One of my favorites disappeared last fall when Anheiser Busch bought Rolling 
Rock.  "Old 33" had a saying on the back of each bottle - "Rolling Rock, 
from the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe, we tender this premium beer for 
your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. It comes from the mountain 
springs to you".   I could almost write it from memory.  Unfortunately, it 
now comes from the waters of Newark, NJ - not quite the same thing as 
western PA spring water.  I bought my last case of the good stuff at the 
Weatherly PA hillclimb last Fall.  Not quite the memory shared by Mark, but 
I must say I have mnay good memories associated with beer!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <spyderweb at uwalumni.com>
To: <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: <FOT at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request


> Quoth "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>:
>
>> Is there a company still selling Strohs beer out there?
>
> As always, the answer is "yes and no".
>
> From Wikipedia:
>
> The end finally came on February 8, 1999, when word came down from
> Stroh headquarters that the 149 year-old brewer was selling its labels
> to the Pabst Brewing Company and Miller Brewing Company. John Stroh
> III, now company president and chief executive, said of the decision
> to sell: "Emotionally, it was an extremely difficult one to make,
> knowing that it would impact our loyal employees, and recognizing that
> it would mean the end of our family's centuries old brewing tradition
> that had become, in essence, an important part of our identity.
>
> After its disolution in 2000, some Stroh brands were discontinued,
> while others were purchased by other breweries. The Pabst Brewing
> Company acquired the most Stroh/Heilman brands. They currently produce
> Colt 45 malt liquor, Lone Star, Schaefer, Schlitz, Schmidt's, Old
> Milwaukee, Old Style, Stroh's, and St. Ides. The Miller Brewing
> Company got Mickey's Malt Liquor and Henry Weinhard's. Most other
> Stroh/Heileman brands disappeared after 2000
>
> Jim Hill
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Thu Jul 19 20:40:34 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:40:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <ccf.1217900b.33d17aa2@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/2007 10:27:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

"Rolling  Rock, 
from the glass lined tanks of Old Latrobe, we tender this premium  beer for 
your enjoyment as a tribute to your good taste. It comes from the  mountain 
springs to you".


==AM==
Ah yes, Rolling Rock...(at least around the Albany, NY, area) used to be  
available in those little tiny "half" cans. Good stuff!  

--Andy Mace

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From spyderweb at uwalumni.com  Thu Jul 19 21:08:39 2007
From: spyderweb at uwalumni.com (spyderweb at uwalumni.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <469EDDF9.3040707@bradakis.com>
	<20070718235546.8ywg5ozz4gg4k0o8@secure.uwalumni.com>
	<005201c7ca75$5ef44680$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070719220839.pv0mfpqy0o80kks4@secure.uwalumni.com>

Scott Janzen wrote:

>  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty.

I was in Denver some years back and drove out to Golden to tour the  
Coors plant. Stopped afterwards at a downtown bar (called the "Silver  
Bullet" as I recall) and ordered a Milwaukee-brewed beer just to see  
what the reaction would be.

There was none -- got my "foreign beer" without a peep. When I looked  
around to see what the locals were drinking, there wasn't a Coors in  
sight. The bartender later explained: Most of the folks here work at  
Coors and live in that smell all day long. None of them would touch  
that shit on their own time.

Jim Hill


From ablake2 at austin.rr.com  Thu Jul 19 22:49:46 2007
From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:49:46 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass
In-Reply-To: <001001c7ca63$ca30fe50$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
Message-ID: <000001c7ca89$66254f80$2b24b348@blake1>

Try Karen Weaver at karen.weaver at btconnect.com.

That should be a contact at honey bourne mouldings in the UK.  Karen
sent me a quote for fiberglass fenders about 9 months ago.  I can't
vouch for their products because I decided against the fiberglass.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+ablake2=austin.rr.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
BOB KRAMER
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:21 PM
To: Joe Boruch; kaskas at cox.net
Cc: rwolff at cox.net; Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass

Do they make fiberglas floorpans?

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Boruch" <jaboruch at netzero.net>
To: <kaskas at cox.net>
Cc: <rwolff at cox.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Tr-3 hood in glass


> Mine came from Honeyspot Moulders in England.  A fellow SCCA racer got
it 
> for
> me, so I do not have any of the details of how to contact them.  I do 
> recall
> seeing them advertise in the back of one of the British car magazines,

> long
> ago.  Joe(B)
>
> -- "Kas Kastner" <kaskas at cox.net> wrote:
> I've had inquiry about a glass hood for a TR_3 from rwolff at vcox.net.
Can
> anyone give this fellow a clue for a source.
>
> Never Be beaten by Equipment
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 05:52:59 2007
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:52:59 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
Message-ID: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>

VTR had the autox yesterday and what a wonderful event. Unofficial results
(mine anyhow) show Richard Good taking FTD with his TR6. Rich Rock did a
FANTASTIC job putting this event on. He was working at it every single minute,
if you see him buy him a beer. Great group of cars and a perfect course
layout. As a side note Wednesday evening found a bunch of the FOT faithful at
a local go cart track. What a blast. Too bad I couldn't keep up with the
professional drivers at that event either. I think I would have had a chance
but my driving strategies were being protested by the road race contingent:).
Yellow, there ain't no stinking  yellow flags in autox?Marty Sukey
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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Fri Jul 20 05:59:12 2007
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:59:12 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <BAY102-W907FB221098A9C54E429D90F40@phx.gbl>

When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
Morrison, Albuquerque


From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 20 09:58:54 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:58:54 +0000
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <20070719220839.pv0mfpqy0o80kks4@secure.uwalumni.com>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F26B540D8B6C590CDE917F2D2F40@phx.gbl>

How about Schmidts, Ballantine, and Valley Forge Beer & Ale?

When I was a kid, Ballantine was THE big sponsor of the Phillies...

Valley Forge was brewed in Norristown PA... my home town...

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From CoffeyJack at bfusa.com  Fri Jul 20 10:14:18 2007
From: CoffeyJack at bfusa.com (Coffey, Jack)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <BAY115-F26B540D8B6C590CDE917F2D2F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5C33EB5352EE814AB72F655EA92399A20EF7F8DE@exc2-na-chq.bfusa.com>

Summer job after HS graduation ......Schaefer Brewery in Brooklyn NY
loading trucks
I went to personnel office at warehouse to apply & was given an
application to fill out AND a 16oz.can of Schaefer ....This was at 8am
Employee lounge had a tap to while away the slow parts of the day

It was a very different time & place !!!!

Jack Coffey
coffeyjack at bfusa.com

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greenman62 at hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 10:59 AM
To: spyderweb at uwalumni.com; FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

How about Schmidts, Ballantine, and Valley Forge Beer & Ale?

When I was a kid, Ballantine was THE big sponsor of the Phillies...

Valley Forge was brewed in Norristown PA... my home town...

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 10:42:53 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:42:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances & don't  forget
Message-ID: <d20.105f100c.33d2400d@aol.com>

"my beer... is Rheingold... the dry beer"***
 
a few of you remember their jingle
 
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Fri Jul 20 11:06:20 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:06:20 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>

When John Deere bought a factory in Mannheim, Germany, the workers had a beer 
break.  John Deere tried to eliminate this perk, but failed.

I got a can of beer from a vending machine while there.

Different culture....not good to mess those cultural conventions.

Oh yes, my first Stroh's was in Detroit in the 70s....condolences to you, 
Mark.

Joe A


> I went to personnel office at warehouse to apply & was given an
> application to fill out AND a 16oz.can of Schaefer ....This was at 8am
> Employee lounge had a tap to while away the slow parts of the day
> 

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From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 11:13:45 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:13:45 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
In-Reply-To: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY125-F28A43B85E0BC32365A3E58DAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <27C8B4C4-EC3E-4A5B-9431-4011AB79957D@earthlink.net>

I've had good luck with Fisher Shipping Co out of Worcester M.A.  
866-428 5224. Ask for Ed and please tell him Greg from Albuquerque  
sent you his way. He does not run his own trucks but dispatches  
reputable auto transporters from around the country. Not always fast  
for a single car but gets the job done at reasonable prices.
Greg Hilyer
On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Lorne Fritz wrote:

> I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central  
> Pennsylvania to
> Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company,  
> or is
> anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz
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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 20 11:13:33 2007
From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:13:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>

Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark plugs
installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced 60 psi
 I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and shimmed the
spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing. From the
line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger seems to fit
and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter and replace
with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so it goes.
 Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler before it gets
to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could have missed
an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have around I can
not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its comming down to a
gross miss on bearing clearances
 I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing clearance with
confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing to do this.
I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor ( note to
self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks for the
help       rob


From lunkercars at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 11:39:34 2007
From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:39:34 -0600
Subject: [Fot] low psi
In-Reply-To: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
References: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
Message-ID: <0DEBBFD0-F4D5-40BE-8E89-6F5E0C644948@earthlink.net>

Don't panic yet... Try cranking it a bunch and then check the oil on  
the dip stick. If it has a frothy look, the oil may be getting  
aerated by the air in the empty oil cooler. I've seen oil cooler  
installations take quite a while to purge the air bubbles out.  
Easiest way to avoid/minimize this is to pre-fill the cooler and lines.
  Greg Hilyer
On Jul 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, rob wrote:

> Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the  
> spark plugs
> installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced  
> 60 psi
>  I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and  
> shimmed the
> spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing.  
> From the
> line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger  
> seems to fit
> and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter  
> and replace
> with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so  
> it goes.
>  Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler  
> before it gets
> to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could  
> have missed
> an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have  
> around I can
> not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its  
> comming down to a
> gross miss on bearing clearances
>  I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing  
> clearance with
> confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing  
> to do this.
> I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor  
> ( note to
> self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks  
> for the
> help       rob
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 11:45:21 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:45:21 EDT
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <d19.e067340.33d24eb1@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/2007 1:14:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes:

On  turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark plugs
installed I  can only get 15-20 psi


I suggest you pull the distributor drive gear & spin the pump to prime  the 
system. See what you have before you try to diagnose.
Good luck
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 12:20:32 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:20:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] low psi
Message-ID: <c47.1a36955c.33d256f0@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/20/07 10:14:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
19to1tr6 at comcast.net writes:

. <>

I do not know about TR-6 engines, but someone left out the crankshaft
clean-out 1/8 Th. inch pipe plugs on one of my TR-3/4 crankshaft, once.  I didn
't
notice this, and got the same symptoms -- normal psi at the pump, and next to n
o
pressure in the oil galley.

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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 20 12:30:17 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:30:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] TR3 Transport
Message-ID: <22709444.1184956217973.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

You probably don't want to spend 2,500 bucks.  But... if you do, Passport Transport (fedex) recently shipped my race car from WI to CA enclosed very quickly and efficiently without a scratch.  The TR3 is too narrow for many of the large open transporters.

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" <lunkercars at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jul 20, 2007 10:13 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net, Lorne Fritz <lfritz82 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 Transport
>
>I've had good luck with Fisher Shipping Co out of Worcester M.A.  
>866-428 5224. Ask for Ed and please tell him Greg from Albuquerque  
>sent you his way. He does not run his own trucks but dispatches  
>reputable auto transporters from around the country. Not always fast  
>for a single car but gets the job done at reasonable prices.
>Greg Hilyer
>On Jul 19, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Lorne Fritz wrote:
>
>> I have a customer that needs to ship his TR3 from central  
>> Pennsylvania to
>> Fort Lauderdale Florida. Can anyone recommend a reputable company,  
>> or is
>> anyone interested in the job.   Lorne Fritz
>>
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From koblinger at verizon.net  Fri Jul 20 13:14:30 2007
From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:14:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <20150006.1315141184958870652.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net>

Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the public parks  and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.

Cheers.
Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)

>From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

>When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
>bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
>me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
>Morrison, Albuquerque
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From d.hesse at charter.net  Fri Jul 20 13:29:55 2007
From: d.hesse at charter.net (d.hesse at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:29:55 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>

Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap by the case and always in bottles.
Now, I prefer good Rum.
Dave Hesse

---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:

=============
Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.

Cheers.
Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)

>From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances

>When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
>bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
>me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>Morrison, Albuquerque
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 13:59:44 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:59:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>

Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it seemed
to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a some
zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots with
Iron City Beer.

There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
another beer.
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Fri Jul 20 15:21:39 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:21:39 -0500
Subject: [Fot] low psi
References: <000801c7caf1$4d9a85d0$6401a8c0@alex>
Message-ID: <002e01c7cb13$f84e80e0$6601a8c0@S1099895562>

Easiest way to have oil pressure in the engine -- install an Accusump.

Three quarts of oil under pressure. I open the Accusump and have 35-40 psi 
in the engine before I hit the key. Then the Accusump pressure builds to 
match the engine pressure (usually ~75-80 in my 1147 Spitfire).

Accusump is sold with advertising about how it maintains (some) pressure 
when the engine goes south, helping prevent blown engines -- but to me the 
best feature is that it pre-pressurizes the engine. When I put a new engine 
in, I usually pull and drain the Accusump, then refill and re-pressurize it 
so it is there to give me oil pressure in the new motor before I start it 
first time.

Rocky Entriken

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "rob" <19to1tr6 at comcast.net>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:13 PM
Subject: [Fot] low psi


> Hello everyone, On turning over my new TR-6 motor  with out the spark 
> plugs
> installed I can only get 15-20 psi. Other new motors have produced 60 psi
> I have swaped guages and lines , swaped pressure plungers and shimmed the
> spring,After pulling the oil pump it seems fine with no scoreing. From the
> line of sight I can get from under  the motor the bypass plunger seems to 
> fit
> and seat well. I plan to swap out the spin on oil cooler adapter and 
> replace
> with the stock oil filter.   I should of all ready done that but so it 
> goes.
> Am I correct in assumeing the oil has to pass threw the cooler before it 
> gets
> to the blocks psi port ? My builder is asking him self if he could have 
> missed
> an internal oil plug  With the  pictures and  core parts I have around I 
> can
> not find any internal oil plugs on the block or crank So its comming down 
> to a
> gross miss on bearing clearances
> I dont have enough experiance  to the messure  the rod bearing clearance 
> with
> confidence and  will leave it to my builder  fortunaly hes willing to do 
> this.
> I  want to cover as many tests as i can before pulling the motor ( note to
> self ) don't install new motors before checking oil psi !   thanks for the
> help       rob
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From AA00727 at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 15:43:37 2007
From: AA00727 at aol.com (AA00727 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:43:37 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
Message-ID: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>

I apologize for using the list for a non-Triumph question but I know  there 
is more knowledge available here than anywhere else I could turn to.
 I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers recommended oil  
weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 should have 20W-40  
according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number is more  
important, the first or the second. 
 I know from past discussions there are some lubrication experts on  the list 
and would greatly appreciate your advice.
 Thank you!
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Fri Jul 20 15:57:59 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 14:57:59 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
In-Reply-To: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
References: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1ad101c7cb19$09691110$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

>  I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers 
> recommended oil  
> weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 
> should have 20W-40  
> according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number 
> is more  
> important, the first or the second. 

I'm no expert, but IMHO getting the right additive package is more important
than the right 'weight'.  If 20W40 was originally recommended, then I
believe that either 10W40 or 20W50 would do fine.

That said, the second number is more important, because that's where the oil
will operate most of the time.  The first number, in effect, only comes into
play at cold start.

Randall 
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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Fri Jul 20 16:23:57 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:23:57 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
Message-ID: <73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>

If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try  
Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:

> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap  
> by the case and always in bottles.
> Now, I prefer good Rum.
> Dave Hesse
>
> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>
> =============
> Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to  
> the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target  
> clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the  
> public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown  
> paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.
>
> Cheers.
> Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)
>
>> From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>> Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>> To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather  
>> trimming the
>> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when  
>> grandpa served
>> me my first beer, a Burgie or  
>> Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>> Morrison, Albuquerque
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From budscars at msn.com  Fri Jul 20 16:47:13 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:47:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
	<73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
Message-ID: <000401c7cb1f$ed5a47d0$a483b304@Bud>

In 1966 I was taking a road trip to Washington and Idaho with a buddy in my 
62 TR4..We had been in Northern Idaho camping, and went home to San 
Francisco Via Seattle...We were broke of course, ..So we bought the cheapest 
beer we could find..HAPPY HOPS..They were half quart cans with little Elves 
dancing all over(We did see the Elves before as well as after drinking the 
beer)..I don't remember if the drinking age was 19 or so, or If we used a 
fake ID
Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Barr" <jerrybarr at charter.net>
To: <d.hesse at charter.net>
Cc: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try
> Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap
>> by the case and always in bottles.
>> Now, I prefer good Rum.
>> Dave Hesse
>>
>> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> Out here in LA LA Land there used to be a big brewery right next to
>> the freeway just east of downtown called Brew 102. Their target
>> clientele semed to be the "gentlemen of leisure" who frequented the
>> public parks and quaffed said brew from quart bottles in brown
>> paper bags. No one I know misses the stuff.
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Kurt O. (who really likes Chimay Grande Reserve)
>>
>>> From: dos_gusanos at msn.com
>>> Date: 2007/07/20 Fri AM 06:59:12 CDT
>>> To: herald948 at aol.com, fot at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>
>>> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather
>>> trimming the
>>> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when
>>> grandpa served
>>> me my first beer, a Burgie or
>>> Burgermeister! ......................Henry
>>> Morrison, Albuquerque
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
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From niteseeker at aol.com  Fri Jul 20 17:43:20 2007
From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:43:20 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
References: <1243898318.1184959795707.JavaMail.root@fepweb09>
	<73880FEC-8260-4A2B-9310-87ECEC28B1E1@charter.net>
Message-ID: <69bfcb6c7807cb2c190bebef5ed4a2ef@aol.com>

If you are from Wisconsin must not forger all of the beers put out by 
Heilemann's.  The big mouth Schmitts.  Think Special Export was a good 
for a while. They still make a few beers there under City Brewery name. 
  The statue of King Heilemann is still in front of the brewery along 
with the world's largest six packs.
On Jul 20, 2007, at 5:23 PM, Jerry Barr wrote:

> If you are talking good Wisconsin beer then you have to try
> Leinenkugels Honey Weiss. I haven't had a bad Leine's beer
> On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:29 PM, <d.hesse at charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Here in WI growing up it was Point Beer from Stevens Point. Cheap
>> by the case and always in bottles.
>> Now, I prefer good Rum.
>> Dave Hesse
>>
>> ---- koblinger at verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>  f


From jibjib at att.net  Fri Jul 20 17:56:19 2007
From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>
References: <cc4.15e985ab.33d2458c@cs.com>
Message-ID: <021901c7cb29$921bedb0$cb01a8c0@HPPavilion>

>When John Deere bought a factory in Mannheim, Germany, the workers had 
> a beer break.  John Deere tried to eliminate this perk, but failed.

As did the workers at Mausser (gun mfg.) in Germany.  It's odd to see the
workers, including machinists, eating lunch while quaffing down beer.

Jack


From pvucinic at netspace.net.au  Fri Jul 20 18:08:41 2007
From: pvucinic at netspace.net.au (Peter Vucinic)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:08:41 +1000
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content
In-Reply-To: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
References: <cc0.15c64158.33d28689@aol.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALQta4iIIYFIsl7FtScKZNTCgAAAEAAAAB7csTmtn1VEmmtwYUfM+X0BAAAAAA==@netspace.net.au>

Gary,
I have an R6, Virago and FJR1300 all running Castrol Active 4T and have been
running this oil exclusively for more than 8 years. This is 15W-50 grade.
The Active 4T is an Australian brand, so =you may have to ask your Castrol
rep for an equivalent if you cant find it directly.

Cheers
Peter
TR4



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[mailto:fot-bounces+pvucinic=netspace.net.au at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
AA00727 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2007 7:44 AM
To: FOT at autox.team.net
Subject: [Fot] Oil Question - No LBC content

I apologize for using the list for a non-Triumph question but I know  there 
is more knowledge available here than anywhere else I could turn to.
 I have several older motorcycles whose manufacturers recommended oil  
weights that I can no longer find. Example; My "85 Virago 700 should have
20W-40  
according to Yamaha. I can get 10W-40 or 20W-50. Which number is more  
important, the first or the second. 
 I know from past discussions there are some lubrication experts on  the
list 
and would greatly appreciate your advice.
 Thank you!
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 07:18:11 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:18:11 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 Video-available from John Seaman, Videographer
Message-ID: <cc8.155a9ec3.33d36193@cs.com>

FoT:  

I was unaware that John Seaman was going to produce a DVD of MOTRAH. He has 
done many in the past and they are well done. This one will be no exception. He 
is a professional.

The DVD includes interviews with Kas Kastner, Tony Drews, and John Sprinzel, 
and more. It also includes the MOTRAH Autocross and Car Show.

It is 60 minutes long. It will be a keeper.

Order information is below and can be ordered direct from John.

Joe A


> Hi Joe,
> 
> I have completed a DVD of the 2007 SVRA Vintage GT Challenge Races, 
> featuring the MOTRAH 007 and S2000.  It is 1 hour, and covers the 
> Autocross, Car Show, and the Races.  
> 
> If the  Triumph Club Membership would be interested in purchasing additional 
> copies, the cost is $15.00 each, including postage.
> 
> John Seaman, Videographer
> 920 467 2076
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 08:52:07 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:52:07 EDT
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
Message-ID: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>

Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind invitation to BeaveRun next
year.  I would like to see responses from all that are interested in running
this event.  This does affect planning for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup
Event.

Additionally, for those who might be interested in staying for the PVGP, the
following weekend, your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as
well.

I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to advance his planning for
this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me know.

Joe Alexander

Joe,

 We have just finished the PVGPA events for this year and we are in the
process of planning next yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th anniversary of
the
Historic races (BeaveRun) and we are planning to make it the best yet.

 I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will be a big part of this. I can
offer you a Triumph only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to all of
the normal practices and races you would be running in whichever group is most
appropriate for each car and driver. Even though PVGPA Beaver follows VRG
rules
and regulations this is a PVGPA event and there are a few differences. The
one that will interest you is that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
are
invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
 We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars in your own section of the
paddock and I think we can work a deal out for weekend passes for non racing
cars that want to come and cheer on the racers. I think we can offer a
discount
on the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in to the race park in a
Triumph.
 Please get back to me as soon as you can as I would like to start plotting
this now and get it into our schedule and news letters soon.
 Ralph Steinberg
 PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Sat Jul 21 09:17:00 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:17:00 EDT
Subject: [Fot] RATCO TR Frames at VTR (Valley Forge Convention)
Message-ID: <c54.171c2a3e.33d37d6c@cs.com>

Tony (FOT) Vigliotti had his Triumph Replacement Frames at the VTR Convention.

Very Impressive!!! These are extremely good looking frames.

Tony now has a Hybrid version that is the TR3/4 style frame with the advanced 
features of the TR4A/TR6 front suspension.

For solid axle racers seeking to build or replace their frame....or use with 
an AMBRO Project, this seems ideal.  

A forthcoming article will be in the VTR magazine by FoT Gary Horstkorta. 
BTW, membership in the VTR seems worthwhile for the FOT.Several FOT are heavily 
involved with the VTR or just members.

Regards,

Joe A   </HTML>


From stlnyc at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 11:10:36 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:10:36 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 body parts
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV163832FF5E4C994A214C79DAF50@phx.gbl>

I have a customer looking for a good used TR-3A front apron & a left front
inner fender.  If anyone has or knows of any, please contact me off-list.
Thanks in advance.

Fred Hodgson


From RustyTR4 at aol.com  Sat Jul 21 16:11:45 2007
From: RustyTR4 at aol.com (RustyTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:11:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fred Thomas
Message-ID: <cdd.16ec13bb.33d3dea1@aol.com>

Sorry to bomb the list with this, but I need Fred Thomas's e  mail address
 
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From budscars at msn.com  Sat Jul 21 17:07:03 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 16:07:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED
Message-ID: <006f01c7cbeb$dc36a3f0$4e83b304@Bud>

Hi Gang...Carl stirtz in Oakland, ca. is building a vintage racing TR4, and
needs a right rear fender..If you can help, please call him at(home) 510 482
6349 or (work)510 536 2772
Carl is a serious buyer.

Thanks
Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 in Sonoma, ca


From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com  Sat Jul 21 18:01:02 2007
From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:01:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED
References: <006f01c7cbeb$dc36a3f0$4e83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <001001c7cbf3$65d61990$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>

There is one on eBay now.

Bob Kramer
rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>; "CARL THE GRINDER STIRTZ" <stirtzmachine at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 6:07 PM
Subject: [Fot] TR4 RIGHT REAR FENDER NEEDED


> Hi Gang...Carl stirtz in Oakland, ca. is building a vintage racing TR4, 
> and
> needs a right rear fender..If you can help, please call him at(home) 510 
> 482
> 6349 or (work)510 536 2772
> Carl is a serious buyer.
>
> Thanks
> Racer Bud..Spitfire # 21 in Sonoma, ca
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sat Jul 21 21:12:03 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 23:12:03 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next day.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>

Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it seemed
to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a some
zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots with
Iron City Beer.

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul 16 08:14:47 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:14:47 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Fwd: [TR] Front suspension
Message-ID: <200707161415.l6GEEv0X189080@ns3.geneseo.net>

>I am forwarding a message that appeared on a TR6 list. I twas 
>written by Mike Denman and I'm forwarding it with his permission. It 
>has a couple of good ideas in it that can be used for other things 
>on most Triumphs.
>
>Hi group,
>     I have a couple of items to contribute to the list (at last). The front
>suspension of my wife's TR3 was completely worn out with every single
>component showing signs of severe wear and poor maintenance by the previous
>owners.
>     The first problem was the front left lower suspension fulcrum. 
> Both of the
>bushings were rusted onto the fulcrum and the threaded portion of one end of
>the fulcrum was broken off. One of the previously owners had managed to drill
>and tap the broken end of the fulcrum to accept a smaller bolt with a large
>washer. Clever and it must have been hard to do but not the safest idea in the
>world. The hole was also drilled quite a bit off center. So, the question I
>posed to the list a couple of weeks ago was "how hard is it to replace the
>lower fulcrum (which is welded into place) with the body on the car?". I
>didn't get an answer from the list but I can now say that it can be done but
>it certainly isn't a picnic. I spend an entire morning making some temporary
>brackets that were bolted to the frame that would allow me to position the new
>fulcrum in exactly the same place as the old one. Of course, if the old
>fulcrum has been pushed out of its original position by an accident etc. then
>the new fulcrum will also be in the "wrong position" by the same amount using
>this approach. However, the brackets proved to be invaluable. The original
>factory holes through which the fulcrum passes are oversize (probably to allow
>adjustment by the factory welders to compensate for dimensional tolerances in
>the frame). So the original holes do not aid in the final positioning of the
>fulcrum. Both brackets (one on each end of the fulcrum) must be cut away to
>get the fulcrum into place. The brackets are fairly simple so I made new ones
>instead of trying to save the old ones by grinding away all the welds etc. The
>whole process took me almost three days but the new fulcrum is now in place
>and all the suspension components on that side seem to line up correctly. The
>final verdict will come, of course, when I have the front end aligned.
>     The second "solution" involves the age old problem of rusted on bushings.
>I spent 4 hours getting one rusted-on bushing off the bad lower fulcrum. This
>was, of course, before I decided to replace the entire fulcrum. Over the years
>I have tried all types of "solutions" for this problem of rusted-on bushings
>and none of them have worked very well. Today I thought of a new solution.
>First I tried out the new solution on the bad fulcrum that I had removed from
>the car to see if it would work. I certainly didn't want to make things worse
>and the new solution sounds fairly drastic at first. Using my new method I had
>the rusted-on bushing off in less that five minutes and I didn't even get
>dirty! So what is the magic solution you ask? Well, I would still spray the
>rusty bushing with WD-40 or PB blaster or your favorite penetrating oil
>solution and leave it over night. Then take an appropriately sized nut (in my
>case a 3/4" inch nut drilled out to 19/32") and drill it out to fit over the
>bushing. Tack weld the nut to the bushing in 4 places. Don't go crazy with the
>welder. It doesn't require a lot of weld and you don't want the weld to
>penetrate deep enough to hit the fulcrum shaft. You also need to keep the
>flats of the nut clear of weld. Once the nut is welded to the bushing take an
>impact wrench and socket and remove the bushing. I was able to get my bushing
>off easily with the lowest setting on the impact wrench. It doesn't take much
>to break the bushing loose. I think the "big secret" is the impact wrench. The
>impact wrench is what makes the difference. I hit upon the idea after reading
>an article in the Triumph archives about using a pipe wrench and a lot of heat
>to remove the rusted on bushing. The pipe wrench idea got me thinking about
>how to apply rotational force to the bushing. Then I thought about how hard it
>is to get a generator pulley nut or alternator pulley nut off with a wrench
>and how easy the nuts come off with an impact wrench. This solution really
>works. Of course, you need enough room to get to the rusted on bushing with an
>impact wrench but it is worth a little extra effort to move things out of the
>way to allow the use of an impact wrench. Comments?
>Mike Denman
>_______________________________________________
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>
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From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com  Sat Jul 21 13:35:53 2007
From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
In-Reply-To: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070721152655.017abf80@cloverleaf-auto.com>

At 10:52 AM 7/21/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind
>invitation to BeaveRun next year.  I would like
>to see responses from all that are interested in
>running this event.  This does affect planning
>for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup Event.
>
>Additionally, for those who might be interested
>in staying for the PVGP, the following weekend,
>your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as well.
>
>I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to
>advance his planning for this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me
know.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
>Joe,
>We have just finished the PVGPA events for this
>year and we are in the process of planning next
>yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th
>anniversary of the Historic races (BeaveRun) and
>we are planning to make it the best yet.
>I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will
>be a big part of this. I can offer you a Triumph
>only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to
>all of the normal practices and races you would
>be running in whichever group is most
>appropriate for each car and driver. Even though
>PVGPA Beaver follows VRG rules and regulations
>this is a PVGPA event and there are a few
>differences. The one that will interest you is
>that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
>are invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
>We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars
>in your own section of the paddock and I think
>we can work a deal out for weekend passes for
>non racing cars that want to come and cheer on
>the racers. I think we can offer a discount on
>the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in
>to the race park in a Triumph.
>Please get back to me as soon as you can as I
>would like to start plotting this now and get it
>into our schedule and news letters soon.
>Ralph Steinberg
>PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

  Joe and all Triumph racers,
  I need to make a correction. The stand alone
race is on Sunday, when all of the big feature
races are. The top 3 finishers will go to the
winners circle for pictures and some prizes. If
you participate in all 3 days of the festival
(Friday is a test and tune day) you can rack up a
ton of track time. Saturday and Sunday will offer
a Triumph powered car approx 95 minutes of track
time. If you toss in Friday you can add another 1+ hour.
  We will have a driver & crew reception at the
track on Friday and a blow out Party on Saturday.
Everything is to help raise money for the
Autistic Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny
School. Your checks are made directly to the PVGPA, a tax deductible charity.
  Thanks Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 13:14:53 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c7cc94$98a7d330$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I expect to bring my GT6 to Beaverun next year.  Beautiful track and great 
facilities with lots of space for gear and camping, nice showers, etc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <N197TR4 at cs.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Cc: <ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun July 008


> Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind invitation to BeaveRun 
> next
> year.  I would like to see responses from all that are interested in 
> running
> this event.  This does affect planning for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup
> Event.
>
> Additionally, for those who might be interested in staying for the PVGP, 
> the
> following weekend, your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, 
> as
> well.
>
> I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to advance his planning for
> this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me know.
>
> Joe Alexander
>
> Joe,
>
> We have just finished the PVGPA events for this year and we are in the
> process of planning next yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th anniversary 
> of
> the
> Historic races (BeaveRun) and we are planning to make it the best yet.
>
> I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will be a big part of this. I 
> can
> offer you a Triumph only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to all 
> of
> the normal practices and races you would be running in whichever group is 
> most
> appropriate for each car and driver. Even though PVGPA Beaver follows VRG
> rules
> and regulations this is a PVGPA event and there are a few differences. The
> one that will interest you is that all Triumphs and Triumph powered 
> specials
> are
> invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
> We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars in your own section of the
> paddock and I think we can work a deal out for weekend passes for non 
> racing
> cars that want to come and cheer on the racers. I think we can offer a
> discount
> on the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in to the race park in a
> Triumph.
> Please get back to me as soon as you can as I would like to start plotting
> this now and get it into our schedule and news letters soon.
> Ralph Steinberg
> PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Sun Jul 22 15:56:23 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:56:23 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DE7CA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

Well, good new and bad news.  The good news? I still have one good Spitfire Summers Bros. axle.  The bad news is that I have one broken one.  

More good news is that #49Blue stayed shiny-side up rather than go ass over tea kettle as it seemed momentarily inclined to do.  All I've lost (that I know so far) is a brake drum, backing plate, etc.  I feel certain I'll be able to find the wheel and tire out in the weeds after the last session of the afternoon.  And I'd imagine my brake drum is still attached to the wheel.

The point of all this rambling is that those of you who have those Summers axles ought to take a looooooong hard look at them once in a while.  I've got maybe a dozen full weekends on them and perhaps 6000 partial weekends.  On initial inspection, it appears that there are beach marks indicating that this axle has been cracking for a while and chose today to fail entirely, breaking off just inside of the outer bearing race.  Hard to say how long, but not long enough for the cracked bit so have any rust or discoloration.  

Chuck Gee, would you mind giving me a shout some time this next week about your Spit axles?

Scott B.


From budscars at msn.com  Sun Jul 22 17:09:13 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:09:13 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C744DE7CA@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7ccb5$541e7ea0$dc8cb304@Bud>

Hi Scott...I suggest talking  to Joe Siam about the axle assemblies that he 
makes
Racer Bud spitfire #21
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 2:56 PM
Subject: [Fot] Summers axle breakage


> Well, good new and bad news.  The good news? I still have one good 
> Spitfire Summers Bros. axle.  The bad news is that I have one broken one.
>
> More good news is that #49Blue stayed shiny-side up rather than go ass 
> over tea kettle as it seemed momentarily inclined to do.  All I've lost 
> (that I know so far) is a brake drum, backing plate, etc.  I feel certain 
> I'll be able to find the wheel and tire out in the weeds after the last 
> session of the afternoon.  And I'd imagine my brake drum is still attached 
> to the wheel.
>
> The point of all this rambling is that those of you who have those Summers 
> axles ought to take a looooooong hard look at them once in a while.  I've 
> got maybe a dozen full weekends on them and perhaps 6000 partial weekends. 
> On initial inspection, it appears that there are beach marks indicating 
> that this axle has been cracking for a while and chose today to fail 
> entirely, breaking off just inside of the outer bearing race.  Hard to say 
> how long, but not long enough for the cracked bit so have any rust or 
> discoloration.
>
> Chuck Gee, would you mind giving me a shout some time this next week about 
> your Spit axles?
>
> Scott B.
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From Herald948 at aol.com  Sun Jul 22 20:07:55 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:07:55 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Paging Dean Tetterton
Message-ID: <d50.da5e879.33d5677b@aol.com>

Sorry to bomb the list, but Dean, could you contact me via e-mail?  
Apparently my address book didn't update.
 
Thanks!  

--Andy   Mace

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Herald engine with  wings.
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 23 08:15:30 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:15:30 EDT
Subject: [Fot] MOTRAH 007 Video Available      NFI
Message-ID: <c9a.14d38407.33d61202@cs.com>

FoT and Triumph Lists

A sixty minute video (DVD) was professionally done of the SVRA Event in May 
at Road America.

It includes interviews with Kas Kastner and John Sprinzel in addition to the 
MOTRAH-007 racing and autocrossing.

If you have knowledge and interest of this event I recommend it. 

I am very familiar with John Seaman's work.

$15 is the cost per DVD

This is available through:

John Seaman
456 Bluebird Ln.
Sheboygan Falls, WI 53085
  jcman at execpc.com
John Seaman, Videographer
920 467 2076
    
Checks are accepted   </HTML>


From RKramer at rdoequipment.com  Mon Jul 23 11:18:34 2007
From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0500
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>

I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
like to use that for the mailing list.

Mark,
Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
guys that can help you with the TR6.

Bob Kramer
Sales Manager
RDO Equipment Co.
16415 North IH 35
Pflugerville, TX 78660
512-272-4141
Fx 512-272-9365


________________________________

From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
To: Kramer, Robert
Subject: RE: Progress report



Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
Mark



MARK A. VAN LAKE

FEDEX CORP. SAFETY

SO. REGION

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From triosan at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 11:37:30 2007
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:37:30 -0700
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
References: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <8cbd782d0707231037q3e6d85d0j83e783e780259e00@mail.gmail.com>

Be glad to second that nomination!  Having the PI 6 in the engine bay and
the 4 on the body makes the TR5 fairly a unique car in USA vintage.  Hope to
give it its maiden race the first weekend of August.  A test and tune day
this Thursday will validate if all is now well and ready.

On 7/23/07, Kramer, Robert <RKramer at rdoequipment.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
> taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
> CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
> that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
> do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
> CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
> the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
> Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
> in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
> against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
> like to use that for the mailing list.
>
> Mark,
> Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
> Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
> all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
> bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
> to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
> guys that can help you with the TR6.
>
> Bob Kramer
> Sales Manager
> RDO Equipment Co.
> 16415 North IH 35
> Pflugerville, TX 78660
> 512-272-4141
> Fx 512-272-9365
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
> To: Kramer, Robert
> Subject: RE: Progress report
>
>
>
> Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
> Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
> finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
> Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
> a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
> that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
> Mark
>
>
>
> MARK A. VAN LAKE
>
> FEDEX CORP. SAFETY
>
> SO. REGION
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of
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>
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 11:37:40 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (CHARLES DELAUER)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:37:40 +0000
Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B21188209DF37AA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com>
Message-ID: <BAY5-F12E9F3BBA3A1203B4E77B1C6F70@phx.gbl>

Hi Bob....I think it was you that told me about the tr4 fender on Ebay..Carl 
was able to get it..and it is out here in ca...  Thanks very much...(if it 
wasn't you..then thanks to whoever it was)
Racer Bud ..spitfire # 21


>From: "Kramer, Robert" <RKramer at rdoequipment.com>
>To: "FOT List" <fot at autox.team.net>
>CC: vanlake at bellsouth.net
>Subject: [Fot] FW: Progress report
>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 12:18:34 -0500
>
>I would like to nominate Mark Van Lake to join the FoT list. He has
>taken his driving school and is currently back dating his TR6 to meet
>CVAR's 1972 SCCA spec requirement and will be a regular soon. With a car
>that was gutted and lightened in it's recent SCCA life he had a lot to
>do to become vintage legal and he not only accepted the request from
>CVAR but he has gone after it with gusto. The CVAR guys asked me to be
>the bearer of the bad news after they saw the car at tech and from there
>Mark made it easy for me. I'll be glad to have another Triumph out there
>in Group 7. It will be interesting to see how the 4 cylinder stacks up
>against the 6. His personal email is vanlake at bellsouth.net and he would
>like to use that for the mailing list.
>
>Mark,
>Hopefully someday we will get you out at one of the FoT events (like
>Watkins Glen next year) and you can put faces to the names,  but for now
>all we have is the list. Please let the folks on the list know a little
>bit about you and your car. There are just a few TR6 guys. In comparison
>to the larger group of TR3's and 4's but I'm sure there are plenty of
>guys that can help you with the TR6.
>
>Bob Kramer
>Sales Manager
>RDO Equipment Co.
>16415 North IH 35
>Pflugerville, TX 78660
>512-272-4141
>Fx 512-272-9365
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Mark [mailto:mavanlake at fedex.com]
>Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 8:37 AM
>To: Kramer, Robert
>Subject: RE: Progress report
>
>
>
>Thanks Bob!  Please use vanlake at bellsouth.net as an E-Mail address.
>Also, what are "timeserts"? Never heard of them. My engine builder
>finally started working on my project, 5 months after dropping it off.
>Any races in the near future for you? I need to get in my track time as
>a corner worker in the next couple of months, would like to work a race
>that you would be attending. Thanks again for all your help and advice!
>Mark
>
>
>
>MARK A. VAN LAKE
>
>FEDEX CORP. SAFETY
>
>SO. REGION
>
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>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 23 12:31:16 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 11:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008
References: <d60.d811d21.33d37797@cs.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20070721152655.017abf80@cloverleaf-auto.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E609669B@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I can testify first hand that not only is this a neat track, but it's a well
run, very fun event. I don't know if I'll make it back next year, but it's
tempting. Nicest people on the planet too. I don't know how or why that's so,
but I've never been better treated.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ralph Steinberg
Sent: Sat 7/21/2007 12:35 PM
To: N197TR4 at cs.com
Cc: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] BeaveRun  July 008

At 10:52 AM 7/21/2007, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote:
>Triumph Road Racers: See below for the very kind
>invitation to BeaveRun next year.  I would like
>to see responses from all that are interested in
>running this event.  This does affect planning
>for Watkins Glen as the FOT Kas Cup Event.
>
>Additionally, for those who might be interested
>in staying for the PVGP, the following weekend,
>your Triumph may qualify for the running of this event, as well.
>
>I know everyone is busy, but Ralph would like to
>advance his planning for this 2008 event. Please consider it and let me
know.
>
>Joe Alexander
>
>Joe,
>We have just finished the PVGPA events for this
>year and we are in the process of planning next
>yearbs events. 2008 will be the 5th
>anniversary of the Historic races (BeaveRun) and
>we are planning to make it the best yet.
>I am hoping we can announce that Triumphs will
>be a big part of this. I can offer you a Triumph
>only Race on Saturday and this is in addition to
>all of the normal practices and races you would
>be running in whichever group is most
>appropriate for each car and driver. Even though
>PVGPA Beaver follows VRG rules and regulations
>this is a PVGPA event and there are a few
>differences. The one that will interest you is
>that all Triumphs and Triumph powered specials
>are invited to BeaveRun no matter the year or state of Tune.
>We will also paddock all of the TR powered cars
>in your own section of the paddock and I think
>we can work a deal out for weekend passes for
>non racing cars that want to come and cheer on
>the racers. I think we can offer a discount on
>the normal weekend pass for anyone who drives in
>to the race park in a Triumph.
>Please get back to me as soon as you can as I
>would like to start plotting this now and get it
>into our schedule and news letters soon.
>Ralph Steinberg
>PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

  Joe and all Triumph racers,
  I need to make a correction. The stand alone
race is on Sunday, when all of the big feature
races are. The top 3 finishers will go to the
winners circle for pictures and some prizes. If
you participate in all 3 days of the festival
(Friday is a test and tune day) you can rack up a
ton of track time. Saturday and Sunday will offer
a Triumph powered car approx 95 minutes of track
time. If you toss in Friday you can add another 1+ hour.
  We will have a driver & crew reception at the
track on Friday and a blow out Party on Saturday.
Everything is to help raise money for the
Autistic Society Of Pittsburgh and the Allegheny
School. Your checks are made directly to the PVGPA, a tax deductible charity.
  Thanks Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition PVGPA BeaveRun
billb at bnj.com
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From N197TR4 at cs.com  Mon Jul 23 12:52:34 2007
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:52:34 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TVT article on the Friends of Triumph by FoTs Cook and Hussman
Message-ID: <ca2.1499056d.33d652f2@cs.com>

VTR's mag "The Vintage Triumph"  is in the mail to it's members.

Nice coverage by Mike Cook and Ernie Hussman on the MOTRAH-007.

Great pictures of most of the usual suspects in action.

A very nice summary of finishing positions.

If you are not a member of the VTR, you might consider it.

I sometimes wonder if the FoT shouldnt have a more direct affiliation with 
the Vintage Triumph Register. The Experimental Aircraft Association does a 
similar routine with subsets of aviation interests.....Homebuilt, Antique, 
Aerobatic. They are separate entities under the EAA Umbrella.

Regards,

Joe Alexander   </HTML>


From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jul 23 15:41:25 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:41:25 -0600
Subject: [Fot] TR6 floorboard
Message-ID: <20070723214214.2CE1D187A41@autox.team.net>

I am in need of a driver's side floor board (left) for a TR6 I am turning
into a race car. Used but not rusty ( already have a rusty one) is OK. I
know I can order a new one from Moss etc but I'm trying to save a few bucks.
Thanks 
Walt Hollowell
Albuquerque, NM


From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Jul 23 15:51:47 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:51:47 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR6 floorboard
Message-ID: <c83.16ba60cf.33d67cf3@aol.com>

If it's for a racer why not just put a thin piece of aluminum over it?



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From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Jul 23 18:21:08 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:21:08 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
Message-ID: <29037F80-8ADF-4CAC-A4BF-39DDE5034B8A@charter.net>

While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on track  
but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk Farms this  
weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu walking along  
the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to see it and kinda  
threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I think I need to stop  
taking this pain medicine! The next lap I was prepared for the Emu  
and when i got to corner 6 the corner station had a debris flag up so  
I thought well someone got him or her, but no it was just sauntering  
down the middle of the track. When I got to it I slowed down to it's  
speed and race the engine a few times but it just looked back at me  
and kept on walking. Very strange encounter.
Jerry Barr
Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.


From jerrybarr at charter.net  Mon Jul 23 18:56:33 2007
From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
In-Reply-To: <002e01c7cd89$70766750$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
References: <29037F80-8ADF-4CAC-A4BF-39DDE5034B8A@charter.net>
	<002e01c7cd89$70766750$0264a8c0@DadsComputer>
Message-ID: <AB148C2B-484C-4E05-B072-CF65F29EBABE@charter.net>

The MG looks like an Emu but this one did have feathers
On Jul 23, 2007, at 7:27 PM, BOB KRAMER wrote:

> Are you sure it wasn't an MG?
>
> Bob Kramer
> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Barr"  
> <jerrybarr at charter.net>
> To: "Friends Triumph of" <FOT at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:21 PM
> Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
>
>
>> While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on  
>> track  but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk  
>> Farms this  weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu  
>> walking along  the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to  
>> see it and kinda  threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I  
>> think I need to stop  taking this pain medicine! The next lap I  
>> was prepared for the Emu  and when i got to corner 6 the corner  
>> station had a debris flag up so  I thought well someone got him or  
>> her, but no it was just sauntering  down the middle of the track.  
>> When I got to it I slowed down to it's  speed and race the engine  
>> a few times but it just looked back at me  and kept on walking.  
>> Very strange encounter.
>> Jerry Barr
>> Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> rkramer3 at austin.rr.com
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From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 23 18:56:13 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:56:13 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
Message-ID: <25204535.1185238573534.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That's cool!  I was at blackhawk, coming around the last turn and, just as I hit the straight, a very slow turtle was starting to cross the track.  Each lap, the turtle was further and further across.  Finally, when I came around expecting to see the turtle safely across the track, there was 1/2 a turtle (the bottom half) in the middle of the road :(

~Steve

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Barr <jerrybarr at charter.net>
>Sent: Jul 23, 2007 5:21 PM
>To: Friends Triumph of <FOT at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [Fot] Animals on track
>
>While racing I have seen deer, skunks, ground hogs and dogs on track  
>but never an Emu. Scott and I were racing at Blackhawk Farms this  
>weekend as I was coming into corner 6 there was an Emu walking along  
>the track on driver's left. It was quite a shock to see it and kinda  
>threw be off. I kept on saying to my self I think I need to stop  
>taking this pain medicine! The next lap I was prepared for the Emu  
>and when i got to corner 6 the corner station had a debris flag up so  
>I thought well someone got him or her, but no it was just sauntering  
>down the middle of the track. When I got to it I slowed down to it's  
>speed and race the engine a few times but it just looked back at me  
>and kept on walking. Very strange encounter.
>Jerry Barr
>Now driving #49 Blue Spitfire.
>_______________________________________________
>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From budscars at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 19:56:19 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] new member
Message-ID: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>

Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the email
list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building Triumphs..Machining
Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl does my
machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has nearly
completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He is
one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph Knowledge,
and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
..I Nominate Carl Stirtz  stirtzmachine at aol.com  for membership in the
'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
Thanks Gang..
Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.


From stlnyc at msn.com  Mon Jul 23 20:03:13 2007
From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 20:03:13 -0600
Subject: [Fot] new member
References: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV577488FF72EDBBF6CBA7ADAF00@phx.gbl>

You just did!  Second.

Fred Hodgson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: RACER BUD<mailto:budscars at msn.com>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 7:56 PM
  Subject: [Fot] new member


  Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the
email
  list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building
Triumphs..Machining
  Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl does
my
  machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has nearly
  completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He
is
  one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph
Knowledge,
  and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
  ..I Nominate Carl Stirtz
stirtzmachine at aol.com<mailto:stirtzmachine at aol.com>  for membership in the
  'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
  Thanks Gang..
  Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

  stlnyc at msn.com<mailto:stlnyc at msn.com>
  Fot mailing list
  Fot at autox.team.net<mailto:Fot at autox.team.net>
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stinfo/fot>


From vintage.racer at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 20:48:32 2007
From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:48:32 -0700
Subject: [Fot] new member
References: <004e01c7cd95$d674d2b0$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <002e01c7cd9d$1f883c10$4acd0518@GHOffice>

I concur with Bud on the Carl Stirz nomination.  Carl's been around since 
the wheel was discovered and is a fountain of automotive knowledge.  Besides 
the Triumph passion, Carl also owns a beautiful BMC Formula Junior which he 
regularly enters in vintage events in N.CA.  Anyone attending this year's 
Monterey Historics will see his red FJr. on the track once again.  Welcome 
Carl.

Gary
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RACER BUD" <budscars at msn.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:56 PM
Subject: [Fot] new member


> Hi Gang...How do I. nominate someone for membership..and get him on the 
> email
> list?  CARL STIRTZ  has been Driving Triumphs...Building 
> Triumphs..Machining
> Triumph Engines for over 30 years(Stirtz Machine in Oakland, Ca...Carl 
> does my
> machining)...) .//...Carl was an SCCA driver for years..and now..has 
> nearly
> completed a Ground Up TR4 Vintage Race Car....That he will be Racing...He 
> is
> one of the most helpful people I've ever met,..Has Tons Of Triumph 
> Knowledge,
> and  has a Great passion for Triumphs..
> ..I Nominate Carl Stirtz  stirtzmachine at aol.com  for membership in the
> 'FOT'..Will someone please second, and then tell me what to do next?
> Thanks Gang..
> Racer Bud..Spitfire #21..Sonoma, Ca.
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> vintage.racer at comcast.net
> Fot mailing list
> Fot at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot 


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Mon Jul 23 22:23:56 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 00:23:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] In search of history/past drivers for my GT6
Message-ID: <004801c7cdaa$73358450$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I have the SCCA logbooks for my GT6.  Earliest recorded entry is P.I.R. on
6/10/72 with Tom Hall as the driver, then Laguna Seca 6/23, SIR National (?)
no date, Oregon GP 9/16/72, ARRC 11/19/72, then moving to the east coast and
VIR 3/3/73 with Bill Davis as driver, again at VIR, Road Atlanta, S.P.
National, etc.  When Bill owned it the car was black and ran DP. Bill sold it
to Jim Clipper in 1978.  I have been in touch with Bill but would like to find
Tom Hall and Jim Clipper.  Anyone knowing of these guys plz let me know.  I
also have an SCCA logbook for a GP Spitfire Jim ran at Summit Point on 5/20/78
and rolled per the logbook entry.  Don't know if the car still exists.  Thx!


From tedtsimx at bright.net  Tue Jul 24 08:40:12 2007
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts
Message-ID: <46A60F4C.9030901@bright.net>

Greetings FOT list. We still have some FOT T.shirts that were ordered 
and not paid. These are the ones we still have left.  Please call, email 
or fax a credit card or send us a check. Shirts are $14.50 plus $1.50 
for XXL plus postage.  Thanks for your support. Ted

                                qty        size
Randall Young -         2         XL
Ed Ceilly -                 3         XL
Jim Hill -                    1 L and 1 XL
Jerry Barr -                2         XXL
Bill Burropughs -        2          L
Tim Murphy -            2           L
Bill Babcock -            4          XL
Bob Davis -                2          XL
Steve Benford -          3           L







-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022


From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 09:03:10 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-W907FB221098A9C54E429D90F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241101190.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 dos_gusanos at msn.com wrote:

> When I was seven, I was out with my brother and grandfather trimming the
> bushes at one of grandpa's rentals on a hot SLC afternoon, when grandpa served
> me my first beer, a Burgie or Burgermeister!  ......................Henry
> Morrison, Albuquerque

Hi - while we're sharing stories... my Dad and I never had a "beer
moment", but he was always comlaining that I drank all his beer. That's
because I did. That was a long time and a bunch of AA meetings ago.

:-)

rml
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 09:32:57 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:32:57 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C99C1F0B5C94B8-1B8-10A0C@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com>

It was a good event because I had plenty of help from a great bunch of FOT people!?

 THANKS?to Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Bob Lang, Marty Sukey, Richard Good, Scott Janzen, Irv Korey, Matt Bakes, am I forgetting anyone?? Oh yeah, John Lye, who wasn't there, but gave me plenty of good advice over the phone before the event!?Thanks again to all of you.

Richard Good was the official FTD.? The crowd loved watching Good and Sukey do battle for the title.

Rich Rock


-----Original Message-----
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 7:52 am
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox



VTR had the autox yesterday and what a wonderful event. Unofficial results
(mine anyhow) show Richard Good taking FTD with his TR6. Rich Rock did a
FANTASTIC job putting this event on. He was working at it every single minute,
if you see him buy him a beer. Great group of cars and a perfect course
layout. As a side note Wednesday evening found a bunch of the FOT faithful at
a local go cart track. What a blast. Too bad I couldn't keep up with the
professional drivers at that event either. I think I would have had a chance
but my driving strategies were being protested by the road race contingent:).
Yellow, there ain't no stinking  yellow flags in autox?Marty Sukey
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 09:53:07 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <8C99C1F0B5C94B8-1B8-10A0C@WEBMAIL-DC20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241149470.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 rikrock at aol.com wrote:

> It was a good event because I had plenty of help from a great bunch of
> FOT people!?

>  THANKS?to Dave Yeager, Bill DeWar, Bob Lang, Marty Sukey, Richard
> Good, Scott Janzen, Irv Korey, Matt Bakes, am I forgetting anyone?? Oh
> yeah, John Lye, who wasn't there, but gave me plenty of good advice
> over the phone before the event!?Thanks again to all of you.

Don't forget Linda Cragin for the results!!!
 
> Richard Good was the official FTD.? The crowd loved watching Good and
> Sukey do battle for the title.

Yep.
 
> Rich Rock

regards,
rml
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From rikrock at aol.com  Tue Jul 24 11:39:53 2007
From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 13:39:53 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241149470.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <8C99C30C75069EA-F84-93CE@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com>

Oh man, that's why I hate naming names.? I always forget?AT LEAST?one!

I also forgot to?mention Beth Bakes.?? Big THANKS to both of them.!

Rich Rock
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Tue Jul 24 14:50:31 2007
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <BAY123-W25CF1DA0C523AC5EDE2FB7BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>

Hey,

I had fun at both the kart track and the autox. I wish I had better tires,
the course was interesting. I'm glad the rain never materialized, because
the sweeper onto the slalom was a lot faster than I thought it would be!
On one run, I ran out of room at "Masta".

I'm getting psyched for 2008.

rml
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From 58tr3a at videotron.ca  Tue Jul 24 15:24:29 2007
From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
Message-ID: <001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>

A fan has posted over 1500 photos of VTR 2007 on his site.  There are many 
of the autocross. http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/

http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2007VTRb/

http://vgalleries.com/members/MarcRoland/Vintage+Triumph+Registry+Convention+2007.vrg

http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcforum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/320744/Board/5/page/1/fpart/all/gonew/1#UNREAD

The are lots showing the TRS HP929.

Don Elliott
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To: "marty sukey" <trmarty at hotmail.com>
Cc: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autox


> Hey,
>
> I had fun at both the kart track and the autox. I wish I had better tires,
> the course was interesting. I'm glad the rain never materialized, because
> the sweeper onto the slalom was a lot faster than I thought it would be!
> On one run, I ran out of room at "Masta".
>
> I'm getting psyched for 2008.
>
> rml
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From stutzmans at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 17:56:48 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com>
	<005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great dark 
lager named Augustiner.
Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
Bruce - still in the Burgh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next 
> day.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
>  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
>  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
> In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> <<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>
>
> Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it 
> seemed
> to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a 
> some
> zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their shots 
> with
> Iron City Beer.
>
> There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
> another beer.************************************** Get a sneak peek of 
> the
> all-new
> AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
> stutzmans at comcast.net
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 18:59:39 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 20:59:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde 
Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale made 
from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on 
the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold snowy 
winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to 
school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....

Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; 
<fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great 
> dark
> lager named Augustiner.
> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
> Bruce - still in the Burgh


From alfetta95 at optonline.net  Tue Jul 24 19:01:56 2007
From: alfetta95 at optonline.net (Todd Redmond)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Fw:  Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <004f01c7ce57$657bb070$6400a8c0@D43GRH41>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Redmond" <alfetta95 at optonline.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> AH!  Gold ole I C Light!  I miss it here in New Jersey.
>
> Todd Redmond - with family still in the Burgh!
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; 
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great 
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>
>> To: <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 11:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>
>>
>>> Yep - it didn't taste bad going down but I always had a pounder the next
>>> day.
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: WEmery7451 at aol.com
>>>  To: S.Janzen at comcast.net ; spyderweb at uwalumni.com ; mark at bradakis.com
>>>  Cc: FOT at autox.team.net
>>>  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:59 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 7/19/07 7:26:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>>> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> <<  Iron City was the local brew, but we called it Iron Sh.tty. >>
>>>
>>> Back to Pittsburgh: In my newer days, I liked Iron City Beer, but it
>>> seemed
>>> to give me a head ache.  Maybe they put a little arsenic in it to add a
>>> some
>>> zing.  All of the "shot and a beer" steel workers would chase their 
>>> shots
>>> with
>>> Iron City Beer.
>>>
>>> There was another old saying in Pittsburgh: "Fort Pitt, that sh.t!" --
>>> another beer.************************************** Get a sneak peek of
>>> the
>>> all-new
>>> AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> stutzmans at comcast.net
>>> Fot mailing list
>>> Fot at autox.team.net
>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot
>> _______________________________________________
>> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
>> alfetta95 at optonline.net
>> Fot mailing list
>> Fot at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot


From budscars at msn.com  Tue Jul 24 19:11:19 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:11:19 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>

Is Falstaff Still around?..
Racer Bud
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Scott Janzen" 
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde
> Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale 
> made
> from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on
> the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold 
> snowy
> winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to
> school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....
>
> Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>;
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From portermd at zianet.com  Tue Jul 24 19:24:37 2007
From: portermd at zianet.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 19:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<01ff01c7ce58$b7d06400$cc83b304@Bud>
Message-ID: <46A6A655.3070002@zianet.com>

RACER BUD wrote:
> Is Falstaff Still around?..
>   
Falstaff was officially dropped by Pabst in June, 2005.

Another beer that bit the dust a while back was Primo. Terrible stuff.  
I spit out the first taste I had of it, and the Hawaiian guy next to me 
said, "why do that? Primo dakine good beer."  I said, "this is just 
plain awful."  He kind of shrugged and said, "yeah, I guess so, but it's 
much better since Schlitz took it over." :)

Schlitz brewed it in Hawaii until 1979, then moved production to the 
mainland and sold it that way until 1997, when the brand was discontinued.

-- 
Michael D. Porter
Roswell, NM

Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:17:08 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:17:08 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad on 
the side of the can in a bikini - hey, I ttry to be politically correct but 
there is no more accurate way to describe this politically incorrect label!
Ok- one more Pittsburgh beer story - just up the street from the IC brewery, 
in Lawrenceville, there was a micro brewery that opened in a big old church 
building.  The stainless steel brew tanks were on the alter.  Best church I 
was ever in - I could worship there on a regular basis!  This was half dozen 
years ago, don't know if it is still there - they would also let you bring 
in jugs to fill up from the tap and take home - micro brew take out!.  Good 
stuff.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Scott Janzen" 
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> And don't forget the re-labeled Iron City during the Holidays: Olde
> Frothingslosh, the beer with the foam on the bottom; the pale stale ale 
> made
> from hippity hops which was grown upside down in caves (hence the foam on
> the bottom). Rege Cordick where are you when we need you?  1959, Cold 
> snowy
> winter morning, 20 years old, '57 TR3 with the top down, on my way to
> school, listening to Rege on KDKA, laughing out loud....
>
> Ed, still in Pittsburgh, trapped in the '50's
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <WEmery7451 at aol.com>;
> <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
>> Iron City makes one of the best light beers in the industry and a great
>> dark
>> lager named Augustiner.
>> Named after the 1st brewer in Pgh.
>> Bruce - still in the Burgh
> _______________________________________________
> http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Tue Jul 24 21:40:37 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:40:37 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
Message-ID: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress 
camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
Thanks again for the help,
Jim Gray
Newbie to the RMVR


From joeg at neb.rr.com  Tue Jul 24 22:06:19 2007
From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:06:19 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Free TR3 parts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1185300000.30612.fot@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1185300000.30612.fot@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002901c7ce71$27bb4880$1ff2544c@Guinan>

This note was passed along on the NASS (Spitfire & GT6) mail list.  Hope
someone is in the British Columbia area and can use something.

FREE TR3 Parts - Frame - excellent condition, Transmission, Engine
block w/ crankshaft, Rocker assembly w/ cover. Whole rear end assembly -
differential, axles, brake cylinders. Cylinder head w/ valves,
Speedometer, Tachometer, Miscellaneous small parts, Fan belt (new),
Heater, Bumper overriders (2), Front apron / cowling w/ grille, Rocker
panel inside members (new), Seat (1). Must take all! Free! E-mail:
kiralyATshaw.ca. Located on Bowen Island, BC. (07/08/07)


Joe Guinan
Fremont, NE
joeg at neb.rr.com


From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jul 24 23:27:04 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 00:27:04 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
References: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <20070725052821.A392C1879F5@autox.team.net>

You want at least that much camber in the front - I had about 2 1/2 
degrees.  You want the pressures to be in the 40 to 42 range hot.  I 
ran 36 psi front and 34 psi rear with a solid axle TR-4.

- Tony Drews

At 10:40 PM 7/24/2007, James Gray wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
>an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>Thanks again for the help,
>Jim Gray
>Newbie to the RMVR


From spitfiresuz at 141.com  Wed Jul 25 05:12:12 2007
From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (Susan Kahler)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:12:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
	<00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <46A7300C.9050902@141.com>

Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding 
in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You 
can often find them on eBay if you want one.

There's one here, bottom left:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitemZ200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Susan     :)


Scott Janzen wrote:
> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad on 
> the side of the can in a bikini...
-- 
*****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****


From klynch_6 at msn.com  Wed Jul 25 07:41:41 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 07:41:41 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <004d01c7ce6d$90b61e40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings?
Kev Lynch
asst. CDI
RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Wed Jul 25 08:56:05 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 09:56:05 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
(cold)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings?
Kev Lynch
asst. CDI
RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

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From clarkfot at cwnicholls.net  Wed Jul 25 13:26:21 2007
From: clarkfot at cwnicholls.net (Clark W. Nicholls)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:26:21 -0400
Subject: [Fot] VTR Autox
In-Reply-To: <001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>
References: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10707241646350.3842-100000@isis.mit.edu>
	<001101c7ce39$0bd9a860$8902c818@Elliott>
Message-ID: <002301c7cef1$b080f4f0$1342a8c0@semperon3400>

Fan, yes. 
Also a FOT
Enjoy the photos (I hope my monthly bandwidth limit doesn't kick in)!
Clark W. Nicholls
-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+clarkfot=cwnicholls.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+clarkfot=cwnicholls.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don
Elliott
Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 5:24 PM
Cc: FOT
Subject: Re: [Fot] VTR Autox

A fan has posted over 1500 photos of VTR 2007 on his site.  There are many
of the autocross. http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/

http://www.cwnicholls.net/vtr/2007VTRb/


From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 16:25:58 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:25:58 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7cf0a$c70da010$c1e2010a@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I'm running the RA-1's with full tread as rain tires on my Spitfire and I
really like them.  26 PSI front and rear as a starting spot and lots of
negative camber.

Jim Norlin

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Barr, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:56 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
(cold)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
KEVIN LYNCH
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
frnt: 26#
rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation Kuhmo.
Are you planning on going to Hastings? Kev Lynch asst. CDI RMVR
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
  To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
  Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
  Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


  I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
  an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
  so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
  setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
  camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
  Thanks again for the help,
  Jim Gray
  Newbie to the RMVR
  _______________________________________________
  http://www.team.net/donate.html<http://www.team.net/donate.html>

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jul 25 20:21:55 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:21:55 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <BAY124-DAV1434C61C7208DDC62753A0B7F10@phx.gbl>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612541@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Wed Jul 25 20:25:54 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 22:25:54 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
	<46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
Message-ID: <003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

several of us actually met the fat broad in person at the Iron City Brewery 
somr years ago.
I have pictures somewhere of her with us and our TRs.
Bruce


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding
> in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You
> can often find them on eBay if you want one.
>
> There's one here, bottom left:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitemZ200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Susan     :)
>
>
> Scott Janzen wrote:
>> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad 
>> on
>> the side of the can in a bikini...
> -- 
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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 25 21:00:26 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:00:26 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <027a01c7cf31$1e2dbe90$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I have the original photo somewhere of Bruce, Woody McVicker and Benji along
with my TR4A and Benji's TR3. Bruce borrowed my car for the photo
opportunity. I think it was around 1982.
JVV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>
To: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>; "Scott Janzen"
<S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> several of us actually met the fat broad in person at the Iron City
Brewery
> somr years ago.
> I have pictures somewhere of her with us and our TRs.
> Bruce
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Susan Kahler" <spitfiresuz at 141.com>
> To: "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <Fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 7:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
>
>
> > Ye Olde Frothingslosh had one can with the afore-mentioned broad riding
> > in a parade on a TR4!  We have one displayed in our kitchen.   ;)  You
> > can often find them on eBay if you want one.
> >
> > There's one here, bottom left:
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lot-of-6-Different-Olde-Frothingslosh-Beer-Cans_W0QQitem
Z200133228119QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3918QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >
> > Susan     :)
> >
> >
> > Scott Janzen wrote:
> >> I remember Olde Frothingslosh.  Usually had a photo of a fat ugly broad
> >> on
> >> the side of the can in a bikini...
> > --
> > *****   Oh, I would *kill* for a Nobel Peace Prize!   *****
> > _______________________________________________
> > http://www.team.net/donate.html
> >
> > stutzmans at comcast.net
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2:55 PM


From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Thu Jul 26 05:58:14 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:58:14 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>

What size RA-1s are you all running on your TR4s?  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:22 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
Behalf
>Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 26 06:11:06 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:11:06 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

 <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
better >>

And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)

Scott B.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of Tony Drews
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
for him.

- Tony

At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>(cold)
>
>Scott B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>frnt: 26#
>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>Kuhmo.
>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>Kev Lynch
>asst. CDI
>RMVR
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going

>on
>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
am
>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>   Thanks again for the help,
>   Jim Gray
>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 07:10:12 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:10:12 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>
References: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
	<000901c7cf7c$40418ac0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>
Message-ID: <20070726131122.1CE991879F6@autox.team.net>

I was running 205-50/15's.  Unfortunately, 60 series tires aren't 
available.  Loved em!  Started full depth, took it slightly easy on 
them for a bit to avoid any chunking problems, and got like a season 
and a half out of them.  Switched to the Speedsters as at least one 
of the vintage groups I run with has issues with the fact that they 
are 60 series.  Too bad, because the Toyos are relatively 
inexpensive, have the SAME grip level as comparable Hoosiers, and 
last a long time.  When I was running the Vintage TD's, tire costs 
were killing me - that's why I switched to the Toyo.  The Speedster 
came out about the same time I made the switch.

The 205's fit the TR-4 better than you'd think.  I'm running 6" wide 
panasport wheels.

- Tony

At 06:58 AM 7/26/2007, OFB Racing wrote:
>What size RA-1s are you all running on your TR4s?  Don
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net
>[mailto:fot-bounces+ofbracing=nefcom.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>Tony Drews
>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:22 PM
>To: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
>for him.
>
>- Tony
>
>At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
> >I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
> >(cold)
> >
> >Scott B.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> >[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>Behalf
> >Of KEVIN LYNCH
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
> >To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
> >Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
> >
> >Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
> >frnt: 26#
> >rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
> >Kuhmo.
> >Are you planning on going to Hastings?
> >Kev Lynch
> >asst. CDI
> >RMVR
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
> >   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
> >   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
> >   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
> >
> >
> >   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
> >on
> >   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
> >   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
>am
> >   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
> >   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
> >   Thanks again for the help,
> >   Jim Gray
> >   Newbie to the RMVR
>_______________________________________________
>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 07:11:39 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, looking 
for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of the tire?  I don't 
know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only running 18 lb rear and 20 
lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 07:14:33 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:14:33 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-
	law.com>
References: <20070726022303.B8339187A99@autox.team.net>
	<3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <20070726131541.D32601879F1@autox.team.net>

The spec Miata guys all run RA-1's, that's how I arrived at my 40 to 
42 hot pressure.  There are several articles on the 'net about those 
tires.  They recommend lots of camber too.  Running 36 front / 34 
rear (cold) pressures, I wasn't unduly wearing the middle, but the 
middle did wear slightly more than the outside edge.

Also, you can ignore the rotation arrow on the side of the tire - 
that's for wet running only.  When you bevel the inside edge, have 
them flipped on the rim to even out the wear.

Incidentally, the RA-1's are GREAT in the rain (especially compared 
with the Vintage TD which is awful in the wet).  I won a race on a 
drying track with those tires, even though they had very little tread left.

- Tony

At 07:11 AM 7/26/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>  <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
>better >>
>
>And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
>little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
>through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
>left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
>Scott B.


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 08:03:05 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
Message-ID: <002b01c7cf8d$c3896bd0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>

Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to 
defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.

Ed 


From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 08:29:08 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:29:08 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <c80.15eb76f5.33da09b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/26/2007 9:06:56 AM Central Daylight Time, 
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:


> Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to 
> 
> defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.
> 
> 

That's probably what blew the top off that TR4.

Bill (Damdinger)

PS...That picture is proudly displayed in our shop as well.  Incidentally, we 
always maintained that the driver in that picture is Don Brick.  Could be!



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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 08:57:26 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:57:26 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <c3a.17b4480d.33da1056@aol.com>

<<<  Bob Wismer wrote...On another matter can you contact FOT and see if 
anybody has a  source for a rechargeable AMB TRANX 260 transponder. AMB wants $375 
plus shipping and eBay is about  $350................>>>

Amici...

Bob Wismer, a retired coupon clipper, sent me the above email.  He wants to 
know if anyone has better (read more economical) source of rechargeable 
transponders than listed above.  Apparently his wife won't give him that much money.

Any ideas?

Bill (Damdinger)





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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jul 26 09:00:40 2007
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
Message-ID: <380-22007742615040689@M2W034.mail2web.com>

perhaps she could be an HONORARY FoG

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ed Woods fogbro1 at comcast.net
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:03:05 -0400
To: stutzmans at comcast.net, spitfiresuz at 141.com, S.Janzen at comcast.net,
Fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around to
defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.

Ed
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 26 09:02:16 2007
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:02:16 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20070726150237.67089187A30@autox.team.net>

You're right, the proper way to set pressures and camber is to do 
tire temperature readings immediately after significant cornering.
Outside edge hotter = not enough camber.  Inner edge hotter = too 
much camber.  Middle of tire hotter = too much pressure.  Outer edges 
of tire hotter = not enough pressure.  Probably best to do that at a 
skid pad if possible.

In the Speedsters, I ran 18 psi cold front and 17 psi cold 
rear.  Handled decently (not a crisp a turn in as the RA-1's, but 
much lower pressure could account for that).  Didn't seem to wear the 
outer edges more than the middle.  I've heard of pressures all over 
the map for the speedsters.

- Tony

At 08:11 AM 7/26/2007, Scott Janzen wrote:
>Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, 
>looking for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of 
>the tire?  I don't know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only 
>running 18 lb rear and 20 lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
>To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
>
>><<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
>>better >>
>>
>>And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
>>little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
>>through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
>>left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
>>Of Tony Drews
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
>>for him.
>>
>>- Tony
>>
>>At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>>(cold)
>>>
>>>Scott B.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>>
>>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>>frnt: 26#
>>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>>Kuhmo.
>>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>>Kev Lynch
>>>asst. CDI
>>>RMVR
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>>
>>>
>>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>>
>>>on
>>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
>>am
>>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>>   Jim Gray
>>>   Newbie to the RMVR


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 09:30:32 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:30:32 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <c3a.17b4480d.33da1056@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009001c7cf99$e83064a0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

There's got to be a good business in making substitute devices somehow.  You 
know these little buggers don't cost that much to make.  Is this a 
conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devices/racers 
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S group 
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <BillDentin at aol.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> <<<  Bob Wismer wrote...On another matter can you contact FOT and see if
> anybody has a  source for a rechargeable AMB TRANX 260 transponder. AMB 
> wants $375
> plus shipping and eBay is about  $350................>>>
>
> Amici...
>
> Bob Wismer, a retired coupon clipper, sent me the above email.  He wants 
> to
> know if anyone has better (read more economical) source of rechargeable
> transponders than listed above.  Apparently his wife won't give him that 
> much money.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Bill (Damdinger)
>
>
>
>
>
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From BillDentin at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 09:46:14 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:46:14 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <bee.19acb2cf.33da1bc6@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/26/2007 10:30:55 AM Central Daylight Time, 
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:


> There's got to be a good business in making substitute devices somehow.  
> You 
> know these little buggers don't cost that much to make.  Is this a 
> conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devices/racers 
> 
> subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S group 
> has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
> 

I suspect, "YES" is the proper response to your questions and statements.  

Monopolies are terrible (unless, of course, you're in on them).  

In their defense I am sure they had R&D expenses and extraordinary start up 
costs getting the universal acceptance.  I think at some point any legal 
protection they enjoy will cease and alternatives will surface.  But in the interim, 
there is no question that it is a nifty system far superior to what we used 
to deal with.  Having sufficient workers at our events is an ongoing problem, 
and the AMB Timing & Scoring system sure helps there.

Bill Dentinger
 


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From wgrosenbach at juno.com  Thu Jul 26 10:07:51 2007
From: wgrosenbach at juno.com (William G Rosenbach)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:07:51 -0600
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <20070726.100752.-218683.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>

>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
individual devices/racers 
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
group 
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?

NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
a system like AMB.

AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
ones & zeros.

Bill


From colordog.1 at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 26 10:50:51 2007
From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:50:51 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to pay to play.

~S

-----Original Message-----
>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>
>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>individual devices/racers 
>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>group 
>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>
>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>a system like AMB.
>
>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>ones & zeros.
>
>Bill
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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 11:12:37 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:12:37 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01c7cfa8$2ab8d4c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and 
local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not 
> inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part 
> of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's 
> lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name 
> and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder 
> unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old 
> stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to 
> pay to play.
>
> ~S
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>>
>>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>>individual devices/racers
>>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>>group
>>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>>
>>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>>a system like AMB.
>>
>>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>>ones & zeros.
>>
>>Bill
>>_______________________________________________
>>http://www.team.net/donate.html
>>
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From sgroh1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 11:46:49 2007
From: sgroh1 at comcast.net (Steven Groh)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:46:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c7cfac$f55ac680$6401a8c0@steven2sbouwlk>

Anyone have thoughts on tire pressures running A70-13 Hoosier Street TDs on 
a Spitfire?
Thanks!!!

Steve Groh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From klynch_6 at msn.com  Thu Jul 26 11:53:29 2007
From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:53:29 -0600
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"
Message-ID: <BAY124-DAV3656366632F6A409B9835B7F20@phx.gbl>

  Afternoon all!  Just wanted to bring the group up to date on what we're
trying to do out here in Colo. re: a new track. We've lost 3 now and this
essentially, will be our last stand. If we can't raise enough funds for this,
the future will be very uncertain for amateur road racing in this state.  Keep
your fingers crossed & have a good, safe  summer.
Kev Lynch
RMVR
  www.highplainsraceway.com/track.html<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/track
.html>


From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 12:02:53 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:02:53 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <d2f.c32b82a.33da3bcd@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/07 8:30:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

<< Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the individual devi
ces/racers   subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T
&S group   has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money? >>

I had a non-rechargeable AMB transponder on my TR-3, with no problems.  My
son had a rechargeable transponder on his RX-7 Mazda.  He had nothing but
trouble with his rechargeable transponder.  We were even afraid to plug it into
 the
cigarette lighter in my van, for fear that it would run down the battery, and
we wouldn't make it back to the track.

I gave him my transponder, and then bought another non-chargeable transponder
for the TR-3.  Then this new transponder wouldn't work, and I had to rent one
from the track.  Fortunately, AMB replaced this last transponder, and it is
working.  I still favor the transponders powered from the car.  You are
eliminating another variable (the battery).

There is a lot of conspiracy going on behind the scene, such as individuals
lobbing for rule changes to pad their pockets.  That hydrogen embrittlement of
the metal parts on seat belts was a big farce.  Those metal parts would be
functional after all of us are gone, unless they are thrown into a furnace.

I told several SCCA officials that hydrogen embrittlement is a nuclear
reactor term.  That is the concern that the reactor pressure vessels may crack 
due
to hydrogen embrittlement over a long time period.  Most of the reactors in
this country are over forty years old.  These pressure vessels are also in a hi
gh
radioactive field, and have gone through many pressure/temperature cycles.

At least Bill Simpson has come through with his Impact Racing company.  He
will still replace the webbing on your metal seat belt parts for considerably
less money than buying new seat belts.

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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 12:25:44 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:25:44 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
Message-ID: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>

Does anyone have a source of TR-3 slave cylinders?  The one that came with
the car in 1959 is still on the car, and has been rebuilt many times.  The usua
l
sources (Roadster Factory, Moss, British Victoria, etc.) say that this part
is no longer available.
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From ryoung at navcomtech.com  Thu Jul 26 12:52:43 2007
From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:52:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
In-Reply-To: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>
References: <cd9.1531560c.33da4128@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201c7cfb6$25f6d780$6a5636cc@navcom.com>

> Does anyone have a source of TR-3 slave cylinders?  The one 
> that came with
> the car in 1959 is still on the car, and has been rebuilt 
> many times. 

If it was new in 1959, it must be the later Girling clutch slave.  AFAIK
these are readily available from the usual suspects.

Moss P/N 580-760, TRF P/N GI64068867.

The early Lockheed clutch slaves are NLA AFAIK, but not too hard to
substitute a later unit.  You may need a different hose & the bracket from a
later car tho, I don't remember offhand what all I did.  But I did it and it
worked fine for me.

If you do have a TR2-3 with Lockheed hydraulics (front drum brakes), and
originality is important to you; then I'd suggest having your original slave
re-sleeved by White Post, or Apple or someone like that.

Randall 
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From gaf3 at charter.net  Thu Jul 26 13:06:45 2007
From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:06:45 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Spitfire Brake Balance/Bias Bar
Message-ID: <46A8F0C5.6090700@charter.net>

Sorry to bomb the list but have any of you Spitfire racers build your 
own brake bias bar?
I have seen the ones shown in Kas's new book on page 99 but it's hard to 
see any detail.
One looks like the unit from Pegasus or Tilton and the other looks like 
the owner made it.

Also with either is their any modifications required to the upper part 
of the pedal where the pin normally would be positioned?

Thanks in advance
Glenn Franco
72 Spitfire Race Car (slooow progress in completing)


From LOddTR at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:23:01 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:23:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <ca7.14ec8314.33da5ca5@aol.com>

Steve,
 
I had the pleasure of being the first to have one of the hard-wired units 
fail. At least that's what the tech said.. oh yeah, send $350 for a replacement!
 
They got the monopoly so we haven't a choice. I hope this one lasts longer 
than four years.
 
Leo



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From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com  Thu Jul 26 14:26:02 2007
From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:26:02 -0500
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
In-Reply-To: <ca7.14ec8314.33da5ca5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74612710@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>

We've had two of these units "fail" in the Spitfire.  The LED is lit,
but T&S gets no signal.  Not WEAK signal, NO signal.  We tried moving
the transponder to another spot on the car, higher up and with a clearer
shot at the track.  Still no joy.

For those of you that have had one fail (hard-wired units), is the LED
lit?  How have they failed?

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
Of LOddTR at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:23 PM
To: S.Janzen at comcast.net; BillDentin at aol.com; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

Steve,

I had the pleasure of being the first to have one of the hard-wired
units fail. At least that's what the tech said.. oh yeah, send $350 for
a replacement!

They got the monopoly so we haven't a choice. I hope this one lasts
longer than four years.

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From LOddTR at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 14:42:27 2007
From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:42:27 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <c79.18e2d3b3.33da6133@aol.com>

Mine glowed bright but had a weak, or no, signal.
 
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From Fubog1 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 15:11:45 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:11:45 EDT
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <d31.10e318c2.33da6811@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2007 4:45:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
LOddTR at aol.com writes:

Mine  glowed bright but had a weak, or no, signal.


mine always seems about 3 seconds a lap too slow...
 
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From rocky at spitfire4.com  Thu Jul 26 15:56:10 2007
From: rocky at spitfire4.com (Rocky Entriken)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:56:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"
References: <BAY124-DAV3656366632F6A409B9835B7F20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002201c7cfcf$c91ab8a0$6501a8c0@S1099895562>

Link below doesn't work. Try just www.highplainsraceway.com/

--Rocky

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "KEVIN LYNCH" <klynch_6 at msn.com>
To: "FOT" <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: [Fot] proposed "High Plains Raceway"


>  Afternoon all!  Just wanted to bring the group up to date on what we're
> trying to do out here in Colo. re: a new track. We've lost 3 now and this
> essentially, will be our last stand. If we can't raise enough funds for 
> this,
> the future will be very uncertain for amateur road racing in this state. 
> Keep
> your fingers crossed & have a good, safe  summer.
> Kev Lynch
> RMVR
> 
> www.highplainsraceway.com/track.html<http://www.highplainsraceway.com/track
> .html>
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:29:27 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:29:27 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7461261C@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com>
	<001001c7cf86$8138d060$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AA@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Tire temps at a track are always a little off from real heating because the
outside edge of the tire gets cooled as you run down the straight. You can
compensate for this, but the best way to do tire temps is on a skid pad. You'd
wind up with a huge amount of camber if you believed trackside tire temps.

for just checking pressure, look mostly at the inside vs. center (assuming
your camber is reasonably OK). All this tire temp stuff can be
tricky--overinflation compensates for too little camber (or too much) since
you increase the contact patch in the corners.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Scott Janzen
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 6:11 AM
To: Barr, Scott; Tony Drews; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

Isn't the best test tire temperatures after coming off the track, looking
for variations of less than 10 degrees across the face of the tire?  I don't
know if my pressure gauge is right, but I am only running 18 lb rear and 20
lb front in the Kuhmos on my GT6

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barr, Scott" <sbarr at McCarty-Law.com>
To: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


> <<Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much
> better >>
>
> And looking at the treads on my Toyos, I think they could have used a
> little more pressure than 28#.  The wear bar is just starting to come
> through on the outer edges, but there is still at least a 32nd of wear
> left down the center of the tread.  (Spitfire)
>
> Scott B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf
> Of Tony Drews
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>
> Jack found that 38 was too high, 34 (or maybe even 32) was much better
> for him.
>
> - Tony
>
> At 09:56 AM 7/25/2007, Barr, Scott wrote:
>>I've been running the Proxes on my Spitfire at 28# front and 26# rear
>>(cold)
>>
>>Scott B.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net
>>[mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On
>>Behalf Of KEVIN LYNCH
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:42 AM
>>To: fot at autox.team.net; James Gray
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>Jim, am running Proxes RA-1 on the GT6. Good luck so far. Pressures
>>frnt: 26#
>>rear: 28#. Great tire for the money, reminds me of the 1st generation
>>Kuhmo.
>>Are you planning on going to Hastings?
>>Kev Lynch
>>asst. CDI
>>RMVR
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: James Gray<mailto:toodamnfunky at comcast.net>
>>   To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>
>>   Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:40 PM
>>   Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
>>
>>
>>   I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going
>
>>on
>>   an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>>   so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I
> am
>>   setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>>   camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>>   Thanks again for the help,
>>   Jim Gray
>>   Newbie to the RMVR
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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:35:37 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:35:37 -0700
Subject: [Fot] BRAINERD August 3-5, 2007
References: <c6d.1217fbf7.33da19bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AC@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I will be at Brainerd. See you there I hope. I'll bring Old Frothingslosh (or
a reasonable substitute).


-----Original Message-----
From: BillDentin at aol.com [mailto:BillDentin at aol.com]
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 8:37 AM
To: Bill Babcock
Subject: BRAINERD August 3-5, 2007

Bill

FYI.  In case BRAINERD is in fact your next event, know that this week Uncle
Jack is helping Bob Wismer fix the transmission and replace the clutch in his
TR4.  Assuming they do not expose another issue, there is a good chance we
will run BRAINERD with VSCR the week end after next.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:37:36 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:37:36 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <20070726.100752.-218683.0.wgrosenbach@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AD@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Actually, it wouldn't be hard to build AMB transponders, nothing in them
that's really proprietary. And that is the 'murrican way.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of William G
Rosenbach
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 9:07 AM
To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
Cc: fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
individual devices/racers
subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
group
has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?

NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
a system like AMB.

AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
ones & zeros.

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From BillB at bnj.com  Thu Jul 26 16:39:09 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:39:09 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
References: <23145050.1185468651467.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<00bf01c7cfa8$2ab8d4c0$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966AE@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

Yes to all, even bicyclists use AMBs.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Scott Janzen
Sent: Thu 7/26/2007 10:12 AM
To: steve; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder

OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and
local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

----- Original Message -----
From: "steve" <colordog.1 at earthlink.net>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder


> As a web-developer, I must say that the "www.mylaps.com" site is not
> inexpensive to produce and maintain.  I find the site a very useful part
> of the transponder system.  It's a great searchable database of racer's
> lap times all over the country.  It's pretty interesting to search by name
> and look at any racer's lap times by event and by year.  The Transponder
> unit is part of an overall system that's alot more acurate than the old
> stopwatch days. I agree that it ain't cheap but in this sport we've got to
> pay to play.
>
> ~S
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: William G Rosenbach <wgrosenbach at juno.com>
>>Sent: Jul 26, 2007 9:07 AM
>>To: S.Janzen at comcast.net
>>Cc: fot at autox.team.net
>>Subject: Re: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
>>
>>>>>Is this a conspiracy between the clubs and the mfr where the
>>individual devices/racers
>>subsidize the cost of the monitoring equipment, so that what the T&S
>>group
>>has to buy is cheap, or is AMB just making lots of money?
>>
>>NO conspiracy. Taking 29 Cents worth of electronics, potting them in 3
>>Cents worth of plastic and selling it for $300.00 is the 'murican way. As
>>America has had to out source all of our service related activities, we
>>can no longer gather enough bodies to do actual T&S functions. That
>>leaves us to; do without, video link to India to have them do T&S, or use
>>a system like AMB.
>>
>>AMB has us by the short hairs. Racers & Sanctioning bodies alike. There
>>are always software updates and new hardware needed to wrangle all those
>>ones & zeros.
>>
>>Bill
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From triumphs at consolidated.net  Thu Jul 26 18:04:24 2007
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:04:24 -0500
Subject: [Fot] Brad or Susan
Message-ID: <NJEDLIPPPIKINBMDJOPBEEMGCAAA.triumphs@consolidated.net>

Sorry for the off topic post.
 
Brad or Susan Kahler, please contact me off list.
 
Thanks
 
Ken Gano


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 19:32:33 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:32:33 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <cdb.126c9a6a.33d26e30@aol.com><005b01c7cc0e$13f12e10$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><000601c7ce4e$4c8b3170$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31><004701c7ce57$13efd5b0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer><00ad01c7ce6a$498b2720$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com><46A7300C.9050902@141.com>
	<003601c7cf2c$5d844a50$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>
	<002b01c7cf8d$c3896bd0$6500a8c0@Edscomputer>
Message-ID: <004001c7cfee$138751f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

yeh - but she is still famous
Bruce

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Woods" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: "Stutzman" <stutzmans at comcast.net>; "Susan Kahler" 
<spitfiresuz at 141.com>; "Scott Janzen" <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; 
<Fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


> Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around 
> to defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.
>
> Ed 


From stutzmans at comcast.net  Thu Jul 26 19:35:19 2007
From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:35:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances
References: <c80.15eb76f5.33da09b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004c01c7cfee$78db42f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31>

maybe you are right - Brick is the only one of us old enough to have been in
that picture.
Bruce

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  From: BillDentin at aol.com
  To: fogbro1 at comcast.net ; stutzmans at comcast.net ; spitfiresuz at 141.com ;
S.Janzen at comcast.net ; Fot at autox.team.net
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fot] Odd request - other beer disappearances


  In a message dated 07/26/2007 9:06:56 AM Central Daylight Time,
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes:



    Give Miss Frothingslosh a break! Especially since she's no longer around
to
    defend herself. She "passed" several years ago.




  That's probably what blew the top off that TR4.

  Bill (Damdinger)

  PS...That picture is proudly displayed in our shop as well.  Incidentally,
we always maintained that the driver in that picture is Don Brick.  Could be!



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From Herald948 at aol.com  Thu Jul 26 19:45:01 2007
From: Herald948 at aol.com (Herald948 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:45:01 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR-3 Slave Cylinders
Message-ID: <cc2.147a305f.33daa81d@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/26/2007 2:57:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
ryoung at navcomtech.com writes:

The  early Lockheed clutch slaves are NLA AFAIK, but not too hard to
substitute  a later unit.  You may need a different hose & the bracket from  a
later car tho, I don't remember offhand what all I did.  But I did  it and it
worked fine for me.


==AM==
Possibly a moot point here, but Moss Europe advertises (in TR Action,  the TR 
Register magazine) a new reproduction of the Lockheed slave cylinder.  
Presumably this part could make its way to Moss USA?  

--Andy   Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not  so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with  wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus   (22)

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and  Triumph Herald 
Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 




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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Fri Jul 27 13:19:10 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:10 -0500
Subject: [Fot] cam followers
Message-ID: <200707271919.l6RJJNFm021615@ns3.geneseo.net>

Does anybody know the source for ceramic cam followers for the TR4 engine?

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From hottr6 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 27 13:49:40 2007
From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Fot] AMB TRANX 260 Transponder
Message-ID: <BAY115-F122019528916DE0621F5598CF30@phx.gbl>

Yes, we use this expensive POS in motorcycle racing (AHRMA, WERA).

Shane Ingate, soon to be moving to New Mexico

Scott Janzen wrote:
>OK - maybe my judgements were harsh!   Do all the dirt track racers and
>local stock car racers use this too?  How about mortorcycles?

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From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 15:47:19 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:47:19 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
Message-ID: <002301c7d097$b5060c20$6601a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

Nice looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR4-IRS-1967-vintage-race-ready-car-no
-reserve_W0QQitemZ250145473752QQihZ015QQcategoryZ6469QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1Q
QcmdZViewItem


From Fubog1 at aol.com  Fri Jul 27 16:33:48 2007
From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:33:48 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
Message-ID: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:

Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?




I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,  I 
knew Barry had it though.
If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
Glen




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From jerryvv at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 27 17:24:24 2007
From: jerryvv at adelphia.net (Jerry Van  Vlack)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:24:24 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010a01c7d0a5$44bac2e0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>

I recall seeing this car at the 2005 Mitty. It is very well prepared and as
I recall it was competitive too. It's nicer than the photos.
NFI at all.
JVV

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From: <Fubog1 at aol.com>
To: <S.Janzen at comcast.net>; <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
>
>
>
>
> I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,
I
> knew Barry had it though.
> If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
> Glen


From alan at nosbritishparts.com  Fri Jul 27 21:05:06 2007
From: alan at nosbritishparts.com (Alan ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <010a01c7d0a5$44bac2e0$6401a8c0@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <683315.61338.qm@web1007.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I drove the #24 car for Barry Rosenberg  for many years. It is the ex Jim Ealy TR4. It is one of the most perfect examples of a TR4 in existence. All the years it was raced it avoided body damage. I don't think it ever even got a tire mark. The only damage it got was when Jim Ealy loaded it on the trailer and bumped the bonnet. He towed it to the track behind a Lincoln MKIV. The trailer was a double axle on Jaguar Series I E-type wire wheels. 
 Barry changed the rear axles to CV joints and it totally changed the way the car went down the back straight at Road Atlanta. Can you imagine a TR4 that doesn't vibrate?? The car was silk smooth. It has a CR J-type OD that you can shift as quick as you want. 
 I see my name is still on the drivers door making me believe that it has not been raced since the 2005 Mitty. Somebody on the list should have this car. I wish I was in a position to grab it but I have too many already. Feel free to e-mail me for more info.

Alan Taylor   

Jerry Van  Vlack <jerryvv at adelphia.net> wrote: I recall seeing this car at the 2005 Mitty. It is very well prepared and as
I recall it was competitive too. It's nicer than the photos.
NFI at all.
JVV

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From: 
To: ; 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> In a message dated 7/27/2007 5:48:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> S.Janzen at comcast.net writes:
>
> Nice  looking car.  Anyone on this list own it?
>
>
>
>
> I believe that's Jim Ealeys (sp?) old car. Haven't seen it in a few years,
I
> knew Barry had it though.
> If I recall it was a pretty stout car.
> Glen
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 27 22:03:56 2007
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:03:56 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
In-Reply-To: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46AAC02C.9050501@bradakis.com>

Looks like a nice car, though it no doubt needs some work.
And that trailer is WAY too small.

Normally I would say that being the underemployed bum that
I am these days I could never afford such a car.  This week, though,
I wonder.  The current bid on the car and trailer is not much more than
the loss my retirement fund suffered this last week thanks to the stock
market.  That money is just gone, vanished, poof.  Had I sold some
of that stock and purchased this car, it would still be an entry in the
asset column...

Ain't hindsight fun?

mjb.


From S.Janzen at comcast.net  Fri Jul 27 22:13:51 2007
From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay
References: <bc6.15adc0ec.33dbcccc@aol.com>
  <46AAC02C.9050501@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c7d0cd$ba9d42d0$6401a8c0@vefadvisors.com>

look at it this way. You are still way up for the year in the market (so 
far).  and yes, race cars always need some work.  We'd be bored otherwise.
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From: "Mark J. Bradakis" <mark at bradakis.com>
To: <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Race TR4 on ebay


> Looks like a nice car, though it no doubt needs some work.
> And that trailer is WAY too small.
>
> Normally I would say that being the underemployed bum that
> I am these days I could never afford such a car.  This week, though,
> I wonder.  The current bid on the car and trailer is not much more than
> the loss my retirement fund suffered this last week thanks to the stock
> market.  That money is just gone, vanished, poof.  Had I sold some
> of that stock and purchased this car, it would still be an entry in the
> asset column...
>
> Ain't hindsight fun?
>
> mjb.
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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sat Jul 28 14:26:01 2007
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:26:01 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB placement
Message-ID: <46ABA659.60602@cyberspeedway.net>

Group,
      I had occasion to do some investigating with the AMB transponders 
for our SCCA region. I built an antenna loop in the driveway and 
measured the signal strength with an oscilloscope. AMB's directions are 
mostly OK but I found some improvements. The signal is broadcast in a 
cone shape and we are trying not to affect it.

     1. The signal is best between 12" and 18" above the track.
     2. Mounting the transponder against a metal plane like a firewall or
        inner fender panel tilts the cone away from the panel.
     3. Trying to go through fiberglass does somewhat restrict the
        signal.
     4. Don't try to aim the transponder through a hole as this greatly
        attenuates the signal.
     5. If you have to go through a horizontal panel, place the end of
        the transponder through the panel about 1/2".

     Hope this might help somebody.
     Greg Lund


From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com  Sat Jul 28 20:31:32 2007
From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:31:32 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest, Vol 8, Issue 41
Message-ID: <cb2.174b8cb1.33dd5604@wmconnect.com>

In a message dated 7/28/2007 11:00:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
fot-request at autox.team.net writes:


> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:19:10 -0500
> From: "Jack W. Drews" <vinttr4 at geneseo.net>
> Subject: [Fot] cam followers
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> Message-ID: <200707271919.l6RJJNFm021615 at ns3.geneseo.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Does anybody know the source for ceramic cam followers for the TR4 engine?
> 
> uncle jack 

Yes.

Sorry, try Bill Babcock, I am sure he knows!

Leon

    
    
   </HTML>


From keithfiles at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 29 05:42:55 2007
From: keithfiles at btinternet.com (Keith Files)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:42:55 +0100
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <20070725052821.A392C1879F5@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <20070729114319.52EE81879BB@autox.team.net>

Hi All,

Just got to this thread today; I have been out of contact due to pressure of
work, etc.

At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
Tony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which
gave me the balance that I was comfortable with. Given that I know that both
Tony and I run different suspension settings all I can suggest is that you
do some testing and find pressures that work for you.

Btw, I ran a 2:51 at RA which was slightly slower (a couple of seconds) than
Tony so you might want to follow his lead if you are building a truly quick
car.

Cheers, Keith.


-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com at autox.team.net
[mailto:fot-bounces+keithfiles=btinternet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
Tony Drews
Sent: 25 July 2007 06:27
To: James Gray; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

You want at least that much camber in the front - I had about 2 1/2 
degrees.  You want the pressures to be in the 40 to 42 range hot.  I 
ran 36 psi front and 34 psi rear with a solid axle TR-4.

- Tony Drews

At 10:40 PM 7/24/2007, James Gray wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone is running the Toyo RA-1's. Mine are going on
>an IRS TR-4. Iv'e never run Toyo's before
>so I could use a little input on pressures and camber. By the by, I am
>setting the car up initialy with - 1.75 degress
>camber on the front and -1.25 in the rear to start.
>Thanks again for the help,
>Jim Gray
>Newbie to the RMVR
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From WEmery7451 at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 12:11:05 2007
From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:11:05 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
Message-ID: <ccd.17a1ecf3.33de3239@aol.com>

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than  T
ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which  gave 
me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24 pou
nds
in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire pressures
after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi, and RR=28 psi.
The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the pressures after the
tires cool, write down these readings, and start with these pressures for the
next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove the NASCAR series one year
told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 15:09:25 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:09:25 EDT
Subject: [Fot] Exhaust Manifold Flange
Message-ID: <d5b.d8e3863.33de5c05@aol.com>

Amici...

We need to make a new stainless steel exhaust manifold for our THUNDER BOLT.  
We've got all of the tubing we need, and the existing to work from, but we 
like to have a new stainless steel TR flange to start with.  

Anyone know where I can get one?

Bill Dentinger
   


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From gtlund at cyberspeedway.net  Sun Jul 29 18:36:29 2007
From: gtlund at cyberspeedway.net (greg)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:36:29 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction
Message-ID: <46AD328D.5020407@cyberspeedway.net>

Sorry,
        I thought about the height dimensions I listed yesterday and the 
low dimension didn't seem right. I listed the low optimum dimension as 
12" but I looked at my notes and down to 6" is OK. A mind is a terrrible 
thing.
Greg Lund


From budscars at msn.com  Sun Jul 29 19:30:43 2007
From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 18:30:43 -0700
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction
References: <46AD328D.5020407@cyberspeedway.net>
Message-ID: <003c01c7d249$41802070$e58cb304@Bud>

Hi Gang..the transponder on my Spitfire is mounted with the bottom about 7" 
off the ground..It's attached to the frame with 2 cable ties on the left 
side about 7" from the very front of the frame ..Mine is the 'wired in 
type'..I have not heard of any probs with wired in transponders..I know 
several people who have had the chargeable ones fail..and then the 
replacements fail...I see no advantage to the re-chargeable type.If you want 
to transfer a wired in transponder from one car to another..it's easy to 
just use some snap connectors, etc..Is there an advantage to the charge up 
type that I don't know about?
Thanks
Racer Bud
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Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: [Fot] AMB location correction


> Sorry,
>        I thought about the height dimensions I listed yesterday and the
> low dimension didn't seem right. I listed the low optimum dimension as
> 12" but I looked at my notes and down to 6" is OK. A mind is a terrrible
> thing.
> Greg Lund
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From BillB at bnj.com  Mon Jul 30 07:56:03 2007
From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:56:03 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
References: <ccd.17a1ecf3.33de3239@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966B7@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>

I check hot tire pressures, and correlate it to cold later, but that's just so
I can predict what cold pressure will result in what hot. I don't know of any
reason to equalize tire pressures that way. When you read tire temperatures
you always find one or two wheels that are a lot colder than the others,
usually because of the nature of the track. When I find a tire that's running
a lot hotter on a given track I pay closer attention to the difference between
center and inside edge temperatures. That hard working tire will affect
handling a lot, and getting the temperature spread across the tire to be equal
will often improve lap times.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of
WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 11:11 AM
To: keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
T
ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which  gave
me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24
pou
nds
in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire pressures
after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi, and RR=28
psi.
The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the pressures after
the
tires cool, write down these readings, and start with these pressures for the
next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove the NASCAR series one year
told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From vinttr4 at geneseo.net  Mon Jul 30 12:14:21 2007
From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Fot] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
Message-ID: <200707301814.l6UIEXWk149063@ns3.geneseo.net>

A friend in Germany is looking for a diff bump stop. This is the part 
that bolts to the body sheet metal, directly over the nose of the 
diff, and has a rubber part that hangs down and under certain 
conditions contacts the diff. Does anyone have one, or know of a 
source for one?

Thanks

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From BillDentin at aol.com  Mon Jul 30 12:45:12 2007
From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:45:12 EDT
Subject: [Fot] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
Message-ID: <d39.f75a641.33df8bb8@aol.com>

In a message dated 07/30/2007 1:15:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
vinttr4 at geneseo.net writes:


> A friend in Germany is looking for a diff bump stop. This is the part 
> that bolts to the body sheet metal, directly over the nose of the 
> diff, and has a rubber part that hangs down and under certain 
> conditions contacts the diff. Does anyone have one, or know of a 
> source for one?
> 

Nein.

Wilhelm



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From norlinengineering at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 16:13:42 2007
From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:13:42 -0700
Subject: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures
In-Reply-To: <A567005023D9E14089115E231BE7B7E60966B7@exchange01.internal.bnj.net>
Message-ID: <002501c7d2f6$e4c59410$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP>

I used to do a lot of engineering and chassis tuning for one of the top Club
FF teams here in the Northwest.  That was back when 25-30 car fields were
the norm.
 If you were working with a driver that could run at the front of this field
(staying in the lead draft), then fine tuning of the tire pressures was a
must.  We'd adjust to 1/2 PSI. If the driver was a couple of seconds off the
pace, they couldn't tell the difference of a couple of PSI as long as the
balance was close.

Of course this was on bias ply tires.  I've heard that radials are more
forgiving, but I think we need to hear from a tire engineer to be sure of
that.

The other thing that was needed was to purge the tires with dry nitrogen.
Otherwise there was no consistency, particularily here in the NW with our
moist air.

Like Bill says below, we'd check the pressure hot and then see what it
dropped to when cold to get a good starting spot.  The best way to check hot
is during a practice session coming in straight off a hot lap, same as tire
temps.  We used the wear pattern as much if not more than the pyrometer to
determine camber settings.

Finally, if a car looses it's balance and the normal adjustments don't seem
to work right, it's time for new tires.  It's impossible to set up a car on
bad rubber.

Jim Norlin


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Of Bill Babcock
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 6:56 AM
To: WEmery7451 at aol.com; keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com;
toodamnfunky at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures


I check hot tire pressures, and correlate it to cold later, but that's just
so I can predict what cold pressure will result in what hot. I don't know of
any reason to equalize tire pressures that way. When you read tire
temperatures you always find one or two wheels that are a lot colder than
the others, usually because of the nature of the track. When I find a tire
that's running a lot hotter on a given track I pay closer attention to the
difference between center and inside edge temperatures. That hard working
tire will affect handling a lot, and getting the temperature spread across
the tire to be equal will often improve lap times.

-----Original Message-----
From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of
WEmery7451 at aol.com
Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 11:11 AM
To: keithfiles at btinternet.com; tony at tonydrews.com; toodamnfunky at comcast.net;
fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Toyo hot/cold tire pressures

In a message dated 7/29/07 4:43:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keithfiles at btinternet.com writes:

<< At RA in May I ran somewhat less pressure in my Toyo tires on my TR4 than
T ony and after much experimentation elected on 28 front and 26 rear which
gave me the balance that I was comfortable with.  >>

Does anyone try to adjust their tire pressures based on measuring tire
pressures after you come off of the track?  For example, If I start with 24
pou nds in slicks before going onto the track, and then measure the tire
pressures after coming off of the track: LF= 30 psi, LR=29 psi, RF=28 psi,
and RR=28 psi. The LF and LR are then dropped down to 28 psi.  Measure the
pressures after the tires cool, write down these readings, and start with
these pressures for the next trip onto the track.  This one guy who drove
the NASCAR series one year told me that that is what they do.

My readings are not as accurate as they could be.  First there is a cool off
lap, and then nobody is allowed to stop right after coming off of the track.
Everyone has to mutter back to their location in the pits.

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From walt at hot-tr6.com  Mon Jul 30 16:21:08 2007
From: walt at hot-tr6.com (Walter Hollowell)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 16:21:08 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Convertible top needed for 74 Spitfire
Message-ID: <20070730222155.9A4ED1879E3@autox.team.net>

Hi fellow FOT members.
My son, Drew, drives a 1974 Spitfire. His car runs well but is in need of a
new convertible top- black is prefered.  As a college student and a Triumph
owner  he is short of bucks. If anyone has a used but still servicable vinyl
top they are willing to sell I would appreciate it. If not I'll help him
bite the bullet and order a new one.
Thanks to all,
Walt Hollowell
Abq., NM


From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Mon Jul 30 19:46:39 2007
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:46:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Fot] Paging Irv Korey
Message-ID: <17616431.2096171185846399344.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net>

Irv;
     Please send me an E-Mail. I have lost my address book.

Dean


From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 19:53:49 2007
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (Ed Woods)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Fot] [TR] TR3 or 4 Diff bump stop
References: <200707301814.l6UIEXWk149063@ns3.geneseo.net>
	<200707302022.29534.yellowtr@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <002301c7d315$a3aff460$6700a8c0@Edscomputer>

I recall Jerry Van Vlack pointing out the bump stop on a TR4 straight axle 
frame. TR3's never had then. Did both TR4's and 4A's have them?

Ed Woods 


From toodamnfunky at comcast.net  Mon Jul 30 22:54:35 2007
From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:54:35 -0600
Subject: [Fot] Fund raisers for High Plains Raceway
Message-ID: <001301c7d32e$e4baeb40$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox>

It seems to me if High Plains is to really get off the ground ( so to
speak ) fundraisers need to be happening now. I didn't see any plans to
raise
funds on the website other than simply asking for donations. Every car
club in the region should be contacted and fund raising events planned. 
Only $ 850K has been raised out of a goal of $ 3 million. If this kind
of money is to be raised it must be sought out.
I heard somewhere that Adele Arakawa was a racer so I did a quick search
and found she has been active in Porsche and BMW events.
She is very well connected and may be a good resource for fund raising.
There are also plenty of car dealerships in the area that are active in
some 
way in motor sports and may help host some form of fund raising effort
or event.
I personally don't know anyone at CAMA but I would gladly volunteer to
assist with any real fund raising efforts.
 This is an excerpt from Adele Arakawa's bio
As for hobbies, Adele and her husband are avid golfers. The entire
family also enjoys racing cars. Adele is a certified driving instructor
for the Rocky Mountain Region Porsche Club, and holds Club Racing
license with PCA, racing in venues such as Daytona International
Speedway, Las Vegas Motor Speedway and Barbar Motorsports Park. 
 
http://www.9news.com/company/bios/article.aspx?storyid=69840
 
http://www.highplainsraceway.com/capital-campaign.html
 
Any ideas from the membership ?
 
Jim Gray
RMVR newbie