From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:10:27 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:10:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What springs do I have? Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708011110y745bbf23w61e795971e4b194f@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago I replaced the front and rear spings in my TR6. Do not remeber who I got them from, though probably either Moss or BPNW. The fronts are red, the rears blue with yellow dashes on each loop. The fronts may have a second color also, just cannot remember. Anybody have any idea about what rate these have? and what their heights are? -- Chuck Arnold From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 1 21:36:09 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Paging Irv Korey In-Reply-To: <17616431.2096171185846399344.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <564015.38736.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dean - I have been trying to email you - they keep coming back. Is this your email address? Dennis DeLap tr3a58 at verizon.net wrote: Irv; Please send me an E-Mail. I have lost my address book. Dean yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Aug 2 06:32:21 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed Message-ID: <46B1CED5.90802@bright.net> FOTers, we have a few t.shirts left that need to be claimed (read this paid for and shipped). Trying to get this finished up adn off the shipping desk. Help. Following is list of unclaimed orders. Bill Babcock - 4 shirts - XL; Bob Davis - 2 shirts - XL; Steve Benford, JR - 3 shrits - L; Randall Young - 2 shirts - XL. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 12:21:48 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What springs do I have? Message-ID: Chuck wrote: >The fronts are red, the rears blue with yellow dashes on each loop. The >fronts may have a second color also, just cannot remember. > >Anybody have any idea about what rate these have? and what their heights >are? I cannot help with the fronts. I have blue with yellow stripe (like the Swedish flag) all round; I think they came from Moss as "competition springs". They are pretty soft and give a nice ride on the street. The fronts are 9" free length and 390 lb/in, the rears are 10.25" free length and 420 lb/in. Shane Ingate, moving a zillion tons of crap to New Mexico (bloody 'ell!) _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From simon at telephonestogo.ca Thu Aug 2 12:55:17 2007 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:55:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: <030b01c7d536$aae568a0$3464a8c0@SIMON> I have the same springs as Shane, but on a TR4a. The car sits slightly lower, and feels fairly firm but not racecar hard. I bought them as "fast road" springs, I think from Triumphtune. Simon. From BillB at bnj.com Thu Aug 2 20:09:16 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed References: <46B1CED5.90802@bright.net> Message-ID: Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I need those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in them--cause I did! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ted Schumacher Sent: Thu 8/2/2007 5:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed FOTers, we have a few t.shirts left that need to be claimed (read this paid for and shipped). Trying to get this finished up adn off the shipping desk. Help. Following is list of unclaimed orders. Bill Babcock - 4 shirts - XL; Bob Davis - 2 shirts - XL; Steve Benford, JR - 3 shrits - L; Randall Young - 2 shirts - XL. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 2 20:49:05 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:49:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed Message-ID: <080320070249.7537.46B297A10008EA3600001D712200762194970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Babcock" > Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I need > those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in them--cause I > did! What, you don't have a washer and dryer in your trailer? I thought it was well equipped. ;-) Irv From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 06:18:38 2007 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed References: <080320070249.7537.46B297A10008EA3600001D712200762194970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901c7d5c8$6c963fb0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Yes he does but Bill's working on them to Using his T.shirts to clean the part Is the Dryer faster then the............Hmm Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Ted Schumacher" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Bill Babcock" > >> Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I >> need >> those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in >> them--cause I >> did! > > What, you don't have a washer and dryer in your trailer? I thought it was > well equipped. > ;-) > Irv > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > wensley_tr at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Aug 3 10:07:24 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front springs Message-ID: <200708031607.l73G7U3b220380@ns3.geneseo.net> I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. Does anybody know of a source or application? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:38:59 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] front springs Message-ID: Uncle Jack asked: >I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. >Does anybody know of a source or application? Eibach make a zillion different springs. You will need to know sping diameter, spring rate, free length, and length at free compression. The difference between the free length and the point at which the coils bind had to be at least as long as your travel. Luckily, Eibach's race spring catalog lists critical information like free height and compressed height on all its race springs. You can determine spring rate from the following: Spring rate = (shear modulus)*(wire diameter)**4 --------------------------------------------------- 8*(spring diameter)*(number of ACTIVE coils) Note that the **4 means raised to the 4th power. The easier method is to ask other TR4a drivers about what they are running, but I figure that you like to do your own research. Cheers, Shane Ingate, building a mountain of trash in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 14:26:51 2007 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Message-ID: <8315309.1186172811496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am looking to buy a header for a GT6 anyone have one to sell? jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thanks Joe From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Aug 3 18:03:26 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200708040003.l7403WVX338191@ns3.geneseo.net> Thanks for the suggestion, but I struck out at Eibach. Eibach says they do not have any springs in their entire range that has the right diameter, length, and stiffness. The one spring that comes closest has an inside diameter of 2.5". But I did not look at the catalog itself. I called and talked with them. I guess I'll peruse the catalog myself. I had no idea that our sizes were so rare. At 02:38 PM 8/3/2007, you wrote: >Uncle Jack asked: > >>I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. >>Does anybody know of a source or application? > >Eibach make a zillion different springs. You will need to know >sping diameter, spring rate, free length, and length at free >compression. HM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 18:24:39 2007 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:24:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton master cylinders with triumph lines ? Message-ID: <000e01c7d62d$d87dbd60$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox> Hi again, I hope someone can lend some help with adapting Tilton masters to a TR4 brake system. Since I now have a dedicated MC for the rear brakes I'm not sure how to couple the two male lines. The stock line coming off the master is a double male to go to the original 3 way on the RF frame rail and one male for the MC. Even if I were to find a double female connector, then I would have to plug the 3rd port on the original 3 way. Also, are the Triumph fittings compatible with the tilton port ? The lines seem to thread nicely but the seats look different. Thanks again for the advice...again Jim Gray RMVR Neeeeeewbie Oh, I took everyones advice and bailed on the phantom grip and I'm going with the Quaife. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 4 06:42:06 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:42:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] DRACO SPRING MANUFACTURING Message-ID: Mike James Sales www.dracospring.com 713.645.4973 Houston, TX While at Perfrmance Racing Industries Show last December, Rick Junkermeier discussed custom springs for the AMBRO builds. They said they can make anything to spec. They specialize in custom springs. We did not give them any specs at the time. Joe Alexander From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Aug 4 07:52:42 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin Message-ID: <487D87DF23F74212887A162C71998A3A@SohlPC> I would like to nominate Dan Cronin to the FOT list. I'm certain some of you already know Dan from the past. Dan is a former VTR VP and is now retired from his day job with lots of spare time to work on a TR2 he has owned for many years. Dan was at the VTR convention this year and took delivery of the frame that RATCO brought with them for display and for workshop sessions. The frame will be the platform for a "much less than stock" (significantly modified) TR2 with some interesting mods already in the works. Cheers to all Looking for a second. Bill Sohl From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 4 08:11:24 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 10:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Coupe F/S Message-ID: Sorry for the shameless commercial plug....thanks Paul Got to thin the herd ... too many cars not enough parking spots... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 4 12:34:49 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin In-Reply-To: <487D87DF23F74212887A162C71998A3A@SohlPC> Message-ID: I'll second Dan. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sohl Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; adcronin at ameritech.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin I would like to nominate Dan Cronin to the FOT list. I'm certain some of you already know Dan from the past. Dan is a former VTR VP and is now retired from his day job with lots of spare time to work on a TR2 he has owned for many years. Dan was at the VTR convention this year and took delivery of the frame that RATCO brought with them for display and for workshop sessions. The frame will be the platform for a "much less than stock" (significantly modified) TR2 with some interesting mods already in the works. Cheers to all Looking for a second. Bill Sohl dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 00:02:47 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 18:25:43 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips Message-ID: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of autocross? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 5 19:28:32 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips In-Reply-To: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <20070806012902.2BA2F187F91@autox.team.net> They are not needed. - Tony Drews At 07:25 PM 8/5/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when >doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of >autocross? Thanks, Jim From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Aug 5 19:45:20 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701c7d7cb$72ce63d0$43a6544c@Guinan> Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 23:30:27 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000701c7d7cb$72ce63d0$43a6544c@Guinan> Message-ID: <000c01c7d7ea$e5d4dc00$c52a144c@computer> Thanks for your response Joe. At least this go around, I am running Kevlar pads. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 6 05:17:18 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:17:18 GMT Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips Message-ID: <20070806.071718.4272.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> When I ran Triumph brakes on my TR3 I still used the anti-squeal plates since I figured they were one more barrier to help reduce heat transfer from the pads to the pistons. Not sure that it made any difference. Joe(B) -- "jim hearn" wrote: Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of autocross? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 6 05:26:42 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:26:42 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Message-ID: <20070806.072642.4272.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> The issue of bedding in new pads is more of an issue of getting the pads to off gas. Those gases will reduce the stopping ability of the pads. Did the pads come with any bedding instructions? Sanding the pads will not bed them. Only friction and the associated heat will do this. Typically 5 or 6 hard brakings, but not to a stop with some cooling time in between works. You do not want to overheat them, but you do want them to get hot, then cool a little, 5 or 6 times. Joe(B) -- "jim hearn" wrote: Thanks for your response Joe. At least this go around, I am running Kevlar pads. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 6 06:07:03 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:07:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000c01c7d7ea$e5d4dc00$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA19@server.Triumph.local> My guess on this is if the pads were used, and you were putting new, refaced or different rotors on you might get some benefit from touching up the pads with sandpaper. Perhaps there could be some benefit from breaking any glaze or removing any surface irregularities that the old rotor cut into the pad. But new pads on new rotors I really can't see any benefit at all. Joe B just posted the facts on the degassing of the pads. That is what you are trying to accomplish, and heat is the only way that happens. If you are unwilling to drive the car to bed the pads there is always the technique where you hook your race car up to your tow vehicle and have your wife pull you up the street while you stomp the brake pedal. To paraphrase a well known, successful Triumph speed wizard, "That is either brilliant, or the stupidest thing I ever heard." Last I heard, the jury is still out on that one! :-) > From: "jim hearn" > Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? > > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing > front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not > a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand > spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about > sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? > If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch > the face up a little. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 6 06:51:48 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?W0ZPVF0gw4LCoFNhbmRpbmcgYnJha2UgcGFkcz8=?= Message-ID: <15393169.3817391186404708383.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> Some how I can get a real clear picture of Henry and Helen doing just that on the back roads of CT. Dean >From: Henry Frye >Date: 2007/08/06 Mon AM 07:07:03 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? >My guess on this is if the pads were used, and you were putting new, >refaced or different rotors on you might get some benefit from touching >up the pads with sandpaper. Perhaps there could be some benefit from >breaking any glaze or removing any surface irregularities that the old >rotor cut into the pad. But new pads on new rotors I really can't see >any benefit at all. Joe B just posted the facts on the degassing of the >pads. That is what you are trying to accomplish, and heat is the only >way that happens. > >If you are unwilling to drive the car to bed the pads there is always >the technique where you hook your race car up to your tow vehicle and >have your wife pull you up the street while you stomp the brake pedal. >To paraphrase a well known, successful Triumph speed wizard, "That is >either brilliant, or the stupidest thing I ever heard." > >Last I heard, the jury is still out on that one! :-) > >> From: "jim hearn" >> Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? > >> >> On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing >> front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not >> a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand >> spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about >> sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? >> If >> not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch >> the face up a little. >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 6 10:55:30 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 12:47:09 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708061147h7589f46aw8b7aff1cdb985fa9@mail.gmail.com> At least it was not on a road course at 100mph! On 8/6/07, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 12:51:03 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668902@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've seen that view. On an old Jeep Wrangler my wife and I rented in Mexico with bad hood hold-downs. Broke off the windshield and left a goose-egg on my wife's forehead. I almost left a goose-egg on the car rental agent's forehead when he tried to charge me for the damage... Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:56 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 12:52:50 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0708061147h7589f46aw8b7aff1cdb985fa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> OTOH, it IS in a parking lot with people standing around in inopportune spots... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:47 PM To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event At least it was not on a road course at 100mph! On 8/6/07, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 6 13:00:33 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > OTOH, it IS in a parking lot with people standing around in inopportune > spots... This particular venue is an abandoned airfield and the prepared cars can reach 75 + in spots. The episode is doubly embarrassing because both Mike (the driver) and I are currently licensed solo safety stewards. It's funny how you get caught up in the moment. In our de-brief, we decided that we need checklists for events. Either that or a responsible crew person to keep us from shooting ourselves in the feet! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 6 16:42:48 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <006701c7d876$61881fc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <006701c7d876$61881fc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <000001c7d87b$1d2109f0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Get a Spitfire! Little chance of that happening with one of those little cars. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:09 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Fw: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 17:53:31 2007 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:53:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Message-ID: <9763080.1186444411789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 18:06:06 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:06:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header In-Reply-To: <9763080.1186444411789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:19:42 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:19:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Barr, Scott To: Joseph Siam ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:31:31 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:31:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: done that twice in my TR3..................No goose egg, hardly even a spot on my helmet..............Henry Morrison> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:03 -0500> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event> > I've seen that view. On an old Jeep Wrangler my wife and I rented in> Mexico with bad hood hold-downs. Broke off the windshield and left a> goose-egg on my wife's forehead. I almost left a goose-egg on the car> rental agent's forehead when he tried to charge me for the damage...> > Scott B.> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf> Of Robert Lang> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:56 AM> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event> > Hi,> > Do not do this:> > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov> > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer).> > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the> shifter and only forgot "one thing".> > Doh!> > rml> p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content.> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help |> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> scott.barr at mccarty-law.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > dos_gusanos at msn.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Mon Aug 6 20:22:48 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Carl's Membership Message-ID: <00d001c7d899$db034910$8583b304@Bud> Hi Fred..It's Racer Bud..FOT..Sonoma Ca. Carl Stirtz is still not receiving FOT emails(he was accepted 2 weeks ago) stirtzmachine at aol.com Who should I contact to get things going? Thanks...Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 6 22:23:29 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:23:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends Message-ID: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and road racing? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Aug 6 23:31:50 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:31:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Herald Grill on EBay: FOR ENGINE BAY VENTS? Message-ID: <46B803C6.8090002@greenheart.com> Grill could modified to cover engine bay vents. --Justin http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=180146315174 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 7 06:08:02 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:08:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << my question is "how early is early? >> I'm not certain of it, but it may be for the Mk I head (pre-TR250, I believe) - the one with the exposed pushrod tubes. The stud-holes at the outer ends of the header (fore and aft) are at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock, rather than being diagonally oriented across those ports. I checked it against one of my later GT6 heads. That later head had the stud-hole at 1 o'clock in the case of the port for #1 cylinder's exhaust valve. Scott B. ________________________________ From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:20 PM To: Joseph Siam; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Barr, Scott To: Joseph Siam ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 06:46:37 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:46:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <009401c7d8f0$fee15780$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> You are correct about the exposed pushrod tubes/castings. Don't know about the studs. Kastner's first book addresses the differences and suggests not bothering with the early head for performance use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: "KEVIN LYNCH" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > << my question is "how early is early? >> > > I'm not certain of it, but it may be for the Mk I head (pre-TR250, I > believe) - the one with the exposed pushrod tubes. The stud-holes at > the outer ends of the header (fore and aft) are at 3 o'clock and 9 > o'clock, rather than being diagonally oriented across those ports. I > checked it against one of my later GT6 heads. That later head had the > stud-hole at 1 o'clock in the case of the port for #1 cylinder's exhaust > valve. > > Scott B. > > ________________________________ > > From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:20 PM > To: Joseph Siam; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > > > Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone > would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? > During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple > made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: Joseph Siam ; > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > > And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, > if > anyone's interested. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] > On Behalf > Of Joseph Siam > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header > > Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe > scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > klynch_6 at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > s.janzen at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 7 07:25:29 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends In-Reply-To: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> Start with a bucket of dough. What you really want is the salisbury clutch type diff, currently manufactured by Tran-x. http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html These are not cheap. Another alternative is the Quaiffe limited slip, but that is a torque sensing gear drive design that requires both rear wheels on the ground to work right. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/quaife_app.htm Lift the inside wheel and it's not much better than an open diff. Another less expensive option is a welded diff - you can start with that and move up to the Tran-x. - Tony Drews At 11:23 PM 8/6/2007, jim hearn wrote: >What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and >road racing? Thanks, Jim From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Aug 7 09:26:06 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:26:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name is Steve Hare haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 Spitfire this year in the Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve picked the car up in New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in Washington State We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's racing the only Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're getting a stronger contingent of Triumphs up here lately. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 08:46:25 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Second Steve Hare for membership Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708070746q25d58cb7k37c73cb2596115de@mail.gmail.com> How could I not second anotherr NW racer!. Welcome aboard to Steve. On 8/7/07, Charly Mitchel wrote: > > I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name is Steve Hare > haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 Spitfire this year in > the > Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve picked the car > up in > New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in Washington State > We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's racing the > only > Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're getting a stronger > contingent of Triumphs up here lately. > Thanks, > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Aug 7 09:27:31 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:27:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: Man...If only there had been other Spitfires to race with when I lived up there!!! He gets a second from me... ----- Original Message ----- From: Charly Mitchel Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:21 Subject: [Fot] nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: haretoday at comcast.net > I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name > is Steve Hare > haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 > Spitfire this year in the > Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve > picked the car up in > New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in > Washington State > We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's > racing the only > Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're > getting a stronger > contingent of Triumphs up here lately. > Thanks, > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 7 15:12:44 2007 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:12:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46B8E04C.10604@charter.net> jim hearn wrote: > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and > putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, > the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have > read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a > little. > > This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and > look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA > club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > gaf3 at charter.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Jim Sanding the brake pads or rotors will do the opposite of what you are trying to achieve. Typically burnishing or bedding the brakes requires a series of moderate brake stops (.3g @ ~ 30-35 mph) with some cooling time in between. On a vehicle driven on the street this can occur during normal (moderate driving). I use to have pads and rotors pre burnished on a brake dyno before driving events (if you know someone in the brake business this can be done). Part of the burnishing or bedding process involves setting up a transfer layer of material ( from the pads) on the rotors. For your purpose I would find a deserted parking lot and do a series of hard brake stops with adequate cooling time in between (drive around to cool). It shouldn't take more that 6-12 stops to do it. Good Luck Glenn Franco 72 Spitfire Race Car (75% complete) Too many other TR's From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Aug 7 18:32:16 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:32:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Speaking of Diffs, I need to get another LSD and would like to get a Tran-x if possible. Has anyone looked into buying a lot of them? I would think if we could get a commitment for about 10-12 units, we could save a little on them. These seem to be the only real alternative and they should fit quite a few different cars. Anyone else up for this? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends > Start with a bucket of dough. What you really want is the salisbury > clutch type diff, currently manufactured by > Tran-x. http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html These are not > cheap. Another alternative is the Quaiffe limited slip, but that is > a torque sensing gear drive design that requires both rear wheels on > the ground to work > right. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/quaife_app.htm > Lift the inside wheel and it's not much better than an open > diff. Another less expensive option is a welded diff - you can start > with that and move up to the Tran-x. > > - Tony Drews > > At 11:23 PM 8/6/2007, jim hearn wrote: > >What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and > >road racing? Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Aug 7 21:20:31 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 qrt panels HELP In-Reply-To: <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <000001c7d96b$1518e6b0$2b24b348@blake1> Anyone know where I can get outer quarter panels for a TR3? TRF gave me a pretty open ended response on availability. MOSS has not responded and Vicky Brit says not available. MOSS part No.s 855-730 QUARTER PANEL, L/H (dogleg) 855-720 QUARTER PANEL, R/H (dogleg) I cut out the bottom 6", which was rusted through on both sides anyways, to replace the inner sills. Now it looks easier to replace the whole panel than try and make replacement pieces...any suggestions? Thanks, Greg From BillB at bnj.com Tue Aug 7 21:36:41 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA19@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: It's fairly standard practice to grind pads flat again after using them in calipers that are not particularly rigid. You do this to get them flat again because they get a taper during use. this is the only kind of "sanding" I'm familiar with. If you are trying to bed the pads this won't work at all, you need to get pad material transfered to the rotor, and heat the pad enough to drive out the volatile compounds in the pad surface that will otherwise insulate the pad from the disk. The only way is to do what the manufacturer says for bedding, which is usually to brake hard a few times, and then let the brakes cool and rest. Overnight is best. > > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing > front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not > a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand > spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about > sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? > If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch > the face up a little. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 07:30:52 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:30:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a TR3? Stock and modified? Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some coin mount a challenge. Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 8 07:55:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:55:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: It would be interesting if the FoT got behind this effort in some way. Bonneville would be one of my 50s dreams to be there...more so if I could run it with a finished AMBRO. Vicarious involvement might be sufficient. Just saw THE WORLD'S FASTEST INDIAN for the first time. fun movie. Joe A > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 08:00:37 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:00:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070808140650.IBIR26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Bill is not on FOT. I'll ask him if he would like to be. He would certainly be good for the list. He lives about three miles away from me here in Mesa, AZ At 06:51 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote: >Interesting! > >I dream of running the AMBRO there when it is finished. Just to do it. > >More can get done if we all get involved. > >Where is he located? Is he on the FoT list? > >Joe Alexander > > >>I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at >>Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a >>TR3? Stock and modified? >> >>Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA >>(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k >>by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. >> >>Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >>donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some >>coin mount a challenge. >> >>Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: >> >>"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- >>4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >>available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >>_______________________________________________ From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Aug 8 09:16:32 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:16:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I also have a Quaife and I'm not particularly happy with it. I can get inner wheel spin fairly easy, but I raced with an open diff last week and that's pathetic to use. I don't really want the locker type (eventhough they aren't readily available) and won't even want to consider a Phantom so that leaves the Tran-x as the only alternative in my mind. If I could get some kind of response on a quantity, I would check with BFE for a deal. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Charly Mitchel" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends > Hi, > > I'm interested, but I can't commit 'till I know the $$$ amount. > > Ken Gillanders might work out an FOT price if pressed. > > I have two Quaifes and a Detroit Locker right now, but I can't seem to get > the balance between rear roll stiffness and lifting the inside wheel, so > I'm not a big fan of the Quaifes at this point. They work okay but I don't > like 'em for autocross that much. But they're "what I got", so that's > that. > > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 8 08:18:14 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends In-Reply-To: <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Charly Mitchel wrote: > I also have a Quaife and I'm not particularly happy with it. I can get > inner wheel spin fairly easy, but I raced with an open diff last week and > that's pathetic to use. > I don't really want the locker type (eventhough they aren't readily > available) and won't even want to consider a Phantom so that leaves the > Tran-x as the only alternative in my mind. > If I could get some kind of response on a quantity, I would check with BFE > for a deal. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 Keep me in the loop. rml #40 TR6 (we're not quite up to speed yet - :-) ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 08:30:37 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:30:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR Coach Reveals Winning Strategy Message-ID: <20070808143612.IMMI26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nascar_coach_reveals_winning From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 8 10:56:15 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: "David W. Riddle" >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a >TR3? Stock and modified? > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some >coin mount a challenge. > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 12:37:53 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:37:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... [enter current info here]" Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to shoot for. On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 8 13:03:02 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might be higher since 40 years has passed.:-) We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going as a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: David W. Riddle Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... [enter current info here]" Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to shoot for. On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:42:54 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:42:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: Might it be time to go back Kas? Greg On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A > story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small > mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the > record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 > liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might be > higher since 40 years has passed.:-) > > We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going as > a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. > > Never Be beaten by Equipment > Kas Kastner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > To: David W. Riddle > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's > message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... > [enter current info here]" > Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... > looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! > Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I > have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. > I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in > the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to > shoot for. > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to > run at > > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is > for a > > TR3? Stock and modified? > > > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia > Scorpion. > > > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > > coin mount a challenge. > > > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:59:10 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:59:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <41398EAB-8961-4DEC-A1E9-CE321A2DBC24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <83DC71A3-7525-40D1-8CBB-B26B6D15F9A1@earthlink.net> > Now there's something for e-bay! 40 year old Bonneville salt from > Kas Kastner!! Probably bring lots of $$$. Save a bit in case some > FoT wants to take it back where it came from for luck. > Greg > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> I don't think so Greg. It was a tough 3 days there, still got the >> salt coming out of stuff I had there. >> >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> To: Kas Kastner >> Cc: David W. Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >> >> Might it be time to go back Kas? >> Greg >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >>> On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A >>> story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small >>> mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the >>> record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 >>> liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might >>> be higher since 40 years has passed.:-) >>> >>> We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going >>> as a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. >>> >>> Never Be beaten by Equipment >>> Kas Kastner >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >>> To: David W. Riddle >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >>> >>> Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's >>> message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... >>> [enter current info here]" >>> Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... >>> looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! >>> Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I >>> have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. >>> I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. >>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >>> TR4 #314 >>> Albuquerque NM >>> P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium >>> back in >>> the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to >>> shoot for. >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: >>> >>> > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to >>> run at >>> > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is >>> for a >>> > TR3? Stock and modified? >>> > >>> > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a >>> Cosworth BDA >>> > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like >>> $20k >>> > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia >>> Scorpion. >>> > >>> > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >>> > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend >>> some >>> > coin mount a challenge. >>> > >>> > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: >>> > >>> > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A >>> or TR- >>> > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >>> > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > >>> > lunkercars at earthlink.net >>> > Fot mailing list >>> > Fot at autox.team.net >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> kaskas at cox.net >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 14:19:14 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:19:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <4D9BFBEC-234E-4B80-BFBD-9752300894DA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I thought I was done with this thread for a while, but... I've > honestly seasoned a meal or two with the real stuff. The taste buds > can't be fooled! > On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Now, you don't think I'd sell you just crap salt and claim it was >> the real McCoy do you? >> Heh heh Heh!!!!!! >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> To: Kas Kastner >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >> >> Now there's something for e-bay! 40 year old Bonneville salt >> from Kas Kastner!! Probably bring lots of $$$. Save a bit in case >> some FoT wants to take it back where it came from for luck. >> Greg >> >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >>> I don't think so Greg. It was a tough 3 days there, still got the >>> salt coming out of stuff I had there. >>> >>> Never Be beaten by Equipment >>> Kas Kastner From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 8 14:39:26 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:39:26 GMT Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: <20070808.163926.18152.1@webmail15.dca.untd.com> When I bought my 1st TR3, it was in a barn in Kentucky. It had a bad clutch, so I had to replace the clutch to get the car to even move I was in college, so a trailer and tow vehicle were out of my reach. Changed the clutch and then took it for a test drive. Opps, forgot to fasten the Dzus fastners in the bonnet (and no safety latch). Up came the bonnet. One hinge stayed together, and held it from flying completely off. Still have that bonnet as a reminder (and in case I ever get desperate for one). Joe(B) -- Robert Lang wrote: Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 8 17:31:39 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <01D314E1C40D476DA75DCA8771224BB0@SohlPC> Kas mentioned the TR4 effort getting up to 128mph. How fast does a prepped TR6 or SCCA raced TR8 get to? I recall also an effort some years back to field a TR8 at LeMans. The car reached (I think) 178 on the straight. VTR published a short story on the vehicle which was done at the time in the separate VTR English Channel newsletter. Cheers, Bill Sohl From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 19:13:31 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Message-ID: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. b_close at hotmail.com Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus Super7-clone that is a project. Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 19:14:26 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvc s.net> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Aug 8 19:42:26 2007 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:42:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds certifiable to me -SECOND! Fred Hodgson ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. b_close at hotmail.com Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus Super7-clone that is a project. Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html stlnyc at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 8 19:42:26 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:42:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Message-ID: Second that! FoT may wish to support the Bonneville Effort. I'd like to, in any way that I can. Joe A. From budscars at msn.com Wed Aug 8 19:45:01 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000801c7da26$e8ed80c0$8783b304@Bud> Bill Has my 2nd.. Welcome Bill Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in Sonoma, ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Cc: "Bill Close" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close >I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. > > b_close at hotmail.com > > Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis > Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus > Super7-clone that is a project. > > Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > budscars at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 20:32:52 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Message-ID: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 8 21:34:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 21:38:07 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Message-ID: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) TR6 in Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any ideas are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 22:48:14 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Message-ID: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From portermd at zianet.com Wed Aug 8 23:07:37 2007 From: portermd at zianet.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:07:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In-Reply-To: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46BAA119.606@zianet.com> jim hearn wrote: >Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? >Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a >good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, >Jim > > > Umm, my first guess is that the results would be highly unpredictable. Weight shifts from braking and acceleration combined with turns could make the car plenty jumpy. My favorite story about this sort of thing was from a dealership shop manager I used to work for (who had a VW/Porsche dealership once, before he lost it). Said he had a customer who complained of erratic handling with his 911. So he had the guy try to reproduce the problem while riding with him. The guy went into a very tight downhill, decreasing radius off-ramp at about 110 mph, and when he hit the brakes a bit, the car jumped sideways about four feet. "That's what I mean!," yelled the customer to the manager, who was very much shaken by the profound twitch, having seen a life or two flash before his eyes. They put the car on a rack and walked around and around it, trying to find something out of place. Everything looked just fine. No bad bushings, no obvious alignment problems or tire wear, etc. The tires were the same size and brand, all radials, etc. Then one of his mechanics noticed that the tires on the right side were single steel-belt and the rest were fabric, while the two on the left were all-steel-belted. They put a matched set of tires on it and the problem disappeared. So, even radials are not all created equal. Cheers. -- Michael D. Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 23:05:45 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:05:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <20070809052249.MXIQ7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Yep and my TR3 has never even dreamed of hitting 115 let alone 130. I think 110 would be easy for it to reach. I was cruising along at 100 on the freeway keeping up with the 911's, etc... during the BEAT run (http://www.beataz.com) with the throttle not even close to being buried. At 08:34 PM 8/8/2007, Kas Kastner wrote: As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Aug 8 23:45:48 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:45:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000801c7da26$e8ed80c0$8783b304@Bud> Message-ID: As my birthday (& others) is during Speed Week. Nothing would tickle me more than to cross the Rockies with friends in a RV & partake in the festivities some fine year! I gave World's Fastest Indian to several friends @ Christmas which was met with overall raves! I can only lend support & cheers in takin' the 3 to da' Salt! Even got a lift here in W. Denver for what it's worth... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net ; David W. Riddle Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Bill Has my 2nd.. Welcome Bill Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in Sonoma, ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Cc: "Bill Close" > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close >I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. > > b_close at hotmail.com > > Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis > Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus > Super7-clone that is a project. > > Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > budscars at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 9 05:19:11 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a > suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. The answer depends on your tires. If you run bias-ply slicks, you can run close to stock settings (-1.5 front, -.5 rear) providing you have a lot of roll stiffness. If you run radials, you want more than those numbers by about another degree or so. The difficulty in the front is getting more negative camber due to limits in the suspesnsion design. The rear is easy. > Thanks, Jim regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Aug 9 05:30:18 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:30:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: In a word. No. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hearn To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:07:39 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:07:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville - Drag Measurements Message-ID: Kas Where would one find the drag measurements for various Triumph models? Cary In a message dated 8/8/2007 8:32:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot group44tr7 at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 9 07:55:42 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:55:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Message-ID: In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 07:56:35 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Message-ID: FWIW, I run -1 front, -2 rear. I use 1/8 front and rear toe. Factory caster. Shane Ingate, still packin' and chuckin', in Maryland On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: >On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a >suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. The answer depends on your tires. If you run bias-ply slicks, you can run close to stock settings (-1.5 front, -.5 rear) providing you have a lot of roll stiffness. If you run radials, you want more than those numbers by about another degree or so. The difficulty in the front is getting more negative camber due to limits in the suspesnsion design. The rear is easy. >Thanks, Jim regards, rml _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 08:04:33 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:04:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: Bill Sohl asked: >Kas mentioned the TR4 effort getting up to 128mph. How fast does a prepped >TR6 or SCCA raced TR8 get to? I had Rags up to 201 mpg down Mulsanne Straight, and just recently ran 186 mph for best in class at Bonneville. At the end of each run, I would climb out of the car, make sure the jack stands were still in place, and close the garage door. All the while making VroomVroom noises. Shane Ingate, dreamin' a little, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 08:09:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: <020e01c7da8e$dc06e8c0$4d13c548@RWKastner> You can do a lot of experimenting with tire pressure to aid in using the two types of tires, but don't expect anything good out of it. I tried it once with the radials on the back of my TR-3 and figured I was lucky to get back to the pits alive. All I wanted was to change the gear ratio a little with the smaller radials.The oversteer was huge and adding 15 pounds of air helped a lot, but then the rounded tread gave up on anything high speed. Not worth the effort. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 9 08:50:05 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:50:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BB299D.3010609@bradakis.com> The various classes, engine categories and recorrds can be found on the SCTA-BNI web pages, http://www.scta-bni.org A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Aug 9 09:06:52 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about 160hp. Does this sound about right? Larry Young Kas Kastner wrote: >As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David W. Riddle > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Bill Close > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > > My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily > exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to > this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. > > At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car > >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or > >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an > >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just > >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > > > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for > >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > > > >Cheers, > >Kurt O. > > > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > > >To: fot at autox.team.net > > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > > >coin mount a challenge. > > > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > > >_______________________________________________ > > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > > >Fot mailing list > > >Fot at autox.team.net > > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >cartravel at pobox.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 09:17:54 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:17:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 9 09:29:24 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:29:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed Message-ID: In a message dated 08/09/2007 10:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, triosan at gmail.com writes: > How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? > > Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? > > My guess is Babcock may have found that out at BRAINERD this past week end. Can't think of another track in the country where the straight (which includes Turns ONE and TWO in Bill's car) will allow you to approach top speed. I think 133 was mentioned (+/-). Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 10:52:52 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:52:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: > A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? Wow! Now paint it satin black with a hi-gloss classic flame job... MMMMMM!! Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 11:54:47 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:54:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California In-Reply-To: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <268ADA6C-54C3-4F15-9F45-E379623C8C1C@earthlink.net> Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow. Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerqeue NM On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote: > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > TR6 in > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > ideas > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 12:00:09 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:00:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> >> A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? Actually, that would probably be a modified roadster or modified sports. A lakester is an open wheel non-production body, think belly tank. A streamliner is an envelope non-production body, think Mickey Thompson's Challenger. Just for grins and giggles, as best as I can tell, a TR would fit in either Modified Sports or Grand Touring Sports, probably in engine class F, 2.1 to 3.0 litre. The current records for class F Mod Sports is 200.240. For F Grand Touring Sports its 168.721. How much are forged unobtainium crankshafts these days? Cheers, Kurt O. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:26:03 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:26:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708091126y6f36a99eub3c5a78e81d937a7@mail.gmail.com> Given his times at Pacific Raceway, where I run a car, that sounds possible. He probably gets close to max rpm at PR also. I am just shifting from 3rd to 4th when I enter the straight which is as long as a drag strip and its runout, so lots of time to go as fast as it will go. Not fast enough in my just getting sorted out TR5. Will go to 7500 in 3rd, but only 5000 in 4th [half way down that straight]. Hope my adjustments to the PI make a difference when I test and tune next week. According to my air/fuel meter, at that 5000 rpm I am running a little rich. Questions for the group: 1. What conditions should I check to "go faster". My change so far is to increase the maximum fuel screw on the PI mixture control unit. 2. Since this is PI, does that richness infer too much fuel? Would the change I mention above get worse? 3. What effect does being just a little too advanced in ignition have on top speed, versus it being just a little too retarded? 4. If ignition is dead on, what effect on top speed does having the cam timing retarded versus advanced? Thanks for all responses, I am sure they will be enlightening. On 8/9/07, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 08/09/2007 10:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, > triosan at gmail.com writes: > > > How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? > > Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? > > > > My guess is Babcock may have found that out at BRAINERD this past week > end. Can't think of another track in the country where the straight (which > includes Turns ONE and TWO in Bill's car) will allow you to approach top > speed. > > I think 133 was mentioned (+/-). > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- Chuck Arnold From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 12:28:07 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:28:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California In-Reply-To: <268ADA6C-54C3-4F15-9F45-E379623C8C1C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004f01c7dab3$0978a090$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> It's a bit of a tow, but Oregon and NW Regions of SCCA run a vintage group with their regional races. They permit anything up to and including 1982. I think next year it's going to be 25 years or older. You can find the rules at http://www.oregonscca.com/roadrace/2007/vintsup07final.doc Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:55 AM To: jim hearn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow. Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerqeue NM On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote: > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > TR6 in > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > ideas > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 12:42:12 2007 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:42:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] front springs for spitfire Message-ID: <8C9A8CC226E37BA-5D4-C7F3@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Amici, To all the Spitfire racers -? what spring rates are you running on the front ??( Free lenght and weight )And from where did you purchace them ? Bob T ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 13:20:33 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> We have added a bunch of photos to the web site taken at the Miller event last month. you can see them at www.kaskastner.com. Not track photos but mostly people pics. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 9 13:40:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:40:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: GREAT T-SHIRTS! Chuck, any left? I want one. From chasgee at aol.com Thu Aug 9 13:46:47 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:46:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos In-Reply-To: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <8C9A8D527F4B526-F88-16E0@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Nice shots Kas! In case anyone is interested, I have a few of the event shirts left.? Unfortunately the only size I have left is 2XL.? Send me an email if you want one, $20 plus shipping. Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Home of the 2007 Kastner Cup -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20 pm Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos We have added a bunch of photos to the web site taken at the Miller event last month. you can see them at www.kaskastner.com. Not track photos but mostly people pics. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Aug 9 14:13:11 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: 2XL? That fits about all of the FOT doesn't it? In case anyone is interested, I have a few of the event shirts left.? Unfortunately the only size I have left is 2XL.? Send me an email if you want one, $20 plus shipping. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ryoung at navcomtech.com Thu Aug 9 15:12:23 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:12:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net><20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001101c7dac9$fa9b1e60$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome > drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something > like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about > 160hp. Does this sound about right? Sounds reasonable to me, but don't forget what configuration those tests were done with. 108 mph on 90 bhp sure sounds like it must've had skinny tires, skirts, no windshield and that metal tonneau cover; all to improve aerodynamics and reduce drag coefficient. Road & Track only managed 106 mph, with a 100 bhp 57 TR3. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 15:37:03 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net><20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner><46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> <001101c7dac9$fa9b1e60$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <049201c7dacd$6d848260$4d13c548@RWKastner> My stock 1955 TR-2 wouldn't go 100 mph downhill with a hurricane at the back unless it were falling off a cliff.. About 90-92 at the high desert altitude. (and slightly downhill). It would get you there, just not all that fast. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome > drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something > like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about > 160hp. Does this sound about right? Sounds reasonable to me, but don't forget what configuration those tests were done with. 108 mph on 90 bhp sure sounds like it must've had skinny tires, skirts, no windshield and that metal tonneau cover; all to improve aerodynamics and reduce drag coefficient. Road & Track only managed 106 mph, with a 100 bhp 57 TR3. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 9 16:10:16 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:10:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: <014901c7dad2$137a54c0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Well, I watched Mike Jackson run his TR-3 at Mosport a couple of years ago on one radial and one bias on the rear axle. Seems he was lean on good rubber and reverted to whatever he had. I cannot confirm or reject the rumor he was racing on a trailer spare............He was still damn fast. Of course I think Mike could run on the bare rims and still outrun many of us! I was in a state of amazement! FWIW Russ Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? > In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > > >> Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? >> Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a >> good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? >> Thanks, >> > > Jim... > > I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a > set > of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, > but > not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. > > This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, > where > they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear > tires > will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed > this > with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of > them > say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias > and > radial. > > I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rem9 at frontiernet.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 18:46:53 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FoT Newbie References: Message-ID: > Cool! Curious also. > Greg Hilyer > 323-K claremont Ave NW > Albuquerque NM 87107 > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 4:49 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Nostalgia Racing gave us awards, and one of them is yours. Give >> me your address and I'll mail it to you. >> >> Chuck From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 9 20:34:49 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs .net> References: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070810023519.9EAD81879C9@autox.team.net> As I recall, the original question was "what are the speed records for a TR-3 for both stock and modified". I would expect them to be somewhat less than the overall records. I couldn't find any list of speeds by make / model - just max for the F and G classes (a 83 mm TR-3 should qualify for G, I think). Would be cool to find some sort of detailed history of the attempts with make / model info. I've not googled that successfully yet. - Tony At 01:00 PM 8/9/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > >> A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? > >Actually, that would probably be a modified roadster or modified >sports. A lakester is an open wheel non-production body, think belly >tank. A streamliner is an envelope non-production body, think Mickey >Thompson's Challenger. > >Just for grins and giggles, as best as I can tell, a TR would fit in >either Modified Sports or Grand Touring Sports, probably in engine >class F, 2.1 to 3.0 litre. The current records for class F Mod >Sports is 200.240. For F Grand Touring Sports its 168.721. How much >are forged unobtainium crankshafts these days? > >Cheers, >Kurt O. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Aug 9 22:30:22 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:30:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Message-ID: Be careful, what qualifies as "Vintage in "Progressive New Mexico" is any car that arrives with entry money. The problem with SWMS and their progressivism is cars with flares and slicks are allowed as well as refugees from Saturday night ovals that feature schedule 40 front bumpers. Vintage racing is about the passion for the cars that participated in the golden era of road racing and not weekly changing the rules to accomodate whatever car happens to be rusting away in whoever's backyard. So, get a car that qualifies and support the best vintage racing in the country that is in your own backyard (CSRG, HMSA). You'll be glad you did and may even see a refugee from New Mexico, putting around some track in Northern California..................................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, New Mexico > From: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:54:47 -0600> To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California> > Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest > Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this > issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage > group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what > cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 > and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would > qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out > and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure > Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a > grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the > larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs > to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow.> Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico!> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerqeue NM> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote:> > > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like> > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > > TR6 in> > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > > ideas> > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento> >> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > > which had a name of winmail.dat]> > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > lunkercars at earthlink.net> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > dos_gusanos at msn.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 10 09:11:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:11:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis Message-ID: Mark, The email address I have for you bounces. Can you contact me? Joe A From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 17:42:18 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:42:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 130 HP, 135MPH (ACCORDING TO MY GPS THINGY) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 8:17 AM To: Friends; Bill Babcock Subject: Peyote speed How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? -- Chuck Arnold From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 17:52:25 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: They can, but the handling will suck so bad it will probably kill you. Smart answers aside, it's not a good idea. People have tried it for several reasons (experimenters zeal, financial constraints, ignorance) and the results is never very pretty. You'll generally have very unpredictable transitions and a lot of sliding. Fun, but so is driving on ice. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 9:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 18:17:19 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:17:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? References: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: Depends on your tires and the amount of camber gain you have. If you want to do it via measurement, you need to determine the camber gain and the typical deflection of the suspension. Not easy to do. Otherwise, get a tire temperature pyrometer and a skid pad (A big parking lot with no neighbors) and go round in circles until the tires heat up to more than 110. Measure the temperature at outside, middle and inside of each tire. Make sure you do circles in both directions. If the middle is hotter than the inside and outside, your tire pressure is too high. Decrease tire pressure until the middle is the same as one side. then read everything again. If the inside is more than a few degrees hotter than the outside then you are too negative. Or vice versa. Lather rinse repeat. Then use a camber guage to measure what you have, and there's the right answer. Here's the wrong one, but it's easier: Radials: 3 degrees negative, Bias Ply 0 degrees. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 7:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 18:28:30 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: People actually do this all the time, I know most of the poopers run Hoosiers on the back and avons on the front. But it takes a lot of fiddling to make that work: tire pressure, camber, and sometimes toe. You seem more like a "show up and drive" kind of guy. I don't think you're likely to put in the effort to make that work. there's about a twenty percent chance it will feel okay to you. Be sure to bring backup tires the first time. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 6:55 AM To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Aug 11 08:51:03 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting. Top speed number is higher than the HP number. A very efficient package. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Chuck Arnold ; Friends Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Peyote speed 130 HP, 135MPH (ACCORDING TO MY GPS THINGY) From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:01:25 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:01:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with a good match here. Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:05:04 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:05:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil level for autox and time trials Message-ID: <000601c7dc31$6155ce30$c52a144c@computer> I am reading and hearing different things; should it be over or under full? I am using the felt dipstick spacer on my TR6. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:22:34 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> Hi Bill, Thanks for a great response. I have used the shoe polish on the sidewall to check for tire turnover and will put a temp gauge in my routine. I have a laser no contact type and I assume these will work as well as the probe type. What I was looking for on the alignment settings was a starting point. I have only had this TR6 about a month and a half. Referring to another post you sent me, I think I am far from a show up and drive person. I have been working on this car since the day I got it. I do do autox/race on a budget and try to do the most myself and get the most bang for the buck. Thanks again for your responses, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:BillB at bnj.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:17 PM To: jim hearn; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Depends on your tires and the amount of camber gain you have. If you want to do it via measurement, you need to determine the camber gain and the typical deflection of the suspension. Not easy to do. Otherwise, get a tire temperature pyrometer and a skid pad (A big parking lot with no neighbors) and go round in circles until the tires heat up to more than 110. Measure the temperature at outside, middle and inside of each tire. Make sure you do circles in both directions. If the middle is hotter than the inside and outside, your tire pressure is too high. Decrease tire pressure until the middle is the same as one side. then read everything again. If the inside is more than a few degrees hotter than the outside then you are too negative. Or vice versa. Lather rinse repeat. Then use a camber guage to measure what you have, and there's the right answer. Here's the wrong one, but it's easier: Radials: 3 degrees negative, Bias Ply 0 degrees. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 7:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:34:19 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <000a01c7dc35$77f152f0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Jim: Try a bit of the sailboat deck paint which produces a gritty, non-skid surface. Might be able to find it at a hardware store or if not, certainly at a marine supply. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 11 10:38:49 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:38:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 08/11/2007 11:02:38 AM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > Jim... Most hardware stores sell abrasive strips used to make stair treads non-slip. You can cut them to size and apply them easily (they come with pressure sensitive adhesive). At least that's what we did. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 11 10:42:24 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> <000a01c7dc35$77f152f0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Message-ID: <008101c7dc36$9a921c80$4d13c548@RWKastner> They make a non-skid tape that you can get that will serve this purpose perfectly. Almost any boat store will have this stuff. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary To: jim hearn ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Jim: Try a bit of the sailboat deck paint which produces a gritty, non-skid surface. Might be able to find it at a hardware store or if not, certainly at a marine supply. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 12:10:42 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:10:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) ~Steve From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Aug 11 12:12:03 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:12:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:34:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintage.racer at comcast.net writes: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento I have dealt with this many times including hoards of Minis and my ex-GT6 and Spitfire. Take it out and turn it face down on a block of wood. Use you drill press or even a hand drill and drill a bunch of holes from the back side. You will get rough holes with burrs sticking up ward that give a nice aggressive grip to your shoe. I think a dull bit works better than a new one. You don't want a clean hole. 5/16" is about the right size. Jack Woehrle ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 11 13:02:44 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question In-Reply-To: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <20070811190310.8FFCB187640@autox.team.net> That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the flywheel toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification is to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts Northwest ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution and is a bit finicky to get to seal. Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in it, rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. - Tony Drews At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local >machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum >half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal >assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the >crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves >inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? > >Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) > >~Steve From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 13:22:12 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:22:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> <200708111502.1ijWez6SH3Nl34b1@mx-clapper.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c7dc4c$ebdccd90$0301000a@Chowdown> Thanks again, Tony. Y'know, I thought it looked like it was designed to pump the oil back into the block. It worked well before so I'm not going to do the mod. I'd call this an "Anti-Leak pump, rather than a seal. " :) ~Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Steve Belfer" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the flywheel > toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it > will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves > really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification is > to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts Northwest > ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined > off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. > Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I > believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal > so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution and > is a bit finicky to get to seal. > > Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the > end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of > the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the > crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). > > I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every > so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in it, > rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor > oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. > > - Tony Drews > > At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >>I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a >>local >>machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two >>aluminum >>half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main >>seal >>assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on >>the >>crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves >>inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >> >>Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) >> >>~Steve From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Aug 11 19:03:22 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:03:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you a lifetime. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Aug 11 19:05:29 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: Hi Jim, At 12:22 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >I have a laser no contact type and I assume these will work as >well as the probe type. Actually, they don't work as well. The laser contact type only measures the surface temps which change very quickly as you come off track. What you really need to measure is the internal temps which don't change quite as quickly (although they do still cool much faster than you'd think). That's why the probes work better. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Aug 12 08:02:04 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:02:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <000d01c7dce9$5d2d5090$6402a8c0@HOME> hmmmm thought about that too but dropped that idea speedly after a short test. The troublesome thing is "going on throttle". With much grip on the pedal surface the pedal don't slip smoothly along the shoe anymore which makes the ride very rough and dangerous when accelerating out of a corner. Cheers Chris At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you a lifetime. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Aug 12 10:27:27 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:27:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000d01c7dce9$5d2d5090$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <001d01c7dcfd$adf464a0$8902c818@Elliott> The story I always heard was that most race drivers back in the 50s used to wear moccasins made out of fine kid glove leather so they could really get a feel of that pedal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > hmmmm thought about that too but dropped that idea speedly after a short > test. > The troublesome thing is "going on throttle". With much grip on the pedal > surface the pedal don't slip smoothly along the shoe anymore which makes > the > ride very rough and dangerous when accelerating out of a corner. > > Cheers > Chris > > > At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: > >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph > accelerators? > I > >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber > or > >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come > up > with > >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > > Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece > of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you > some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you > a lifetime. > > > > R. John Lye > > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > tony at tonydrews.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 58tr3a at videotron.ca > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Aug 12 12:30:43 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:30:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go From niteseeker at aol.com Sun Aug 12 13:32:00 2007 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] more on speed record for triumph Message-ID: In May 1953 Ken Richardson, development engineer and test pilot ofTriumph, drove a TR2, fitted with a standard engine, and reached anaverage speed of 124,889 miles or 200,94 km per hour on the Jabbekemotorway. At that time an amazing speed for a volume production carwith a 2000 cc capacity. Ken Richardson, test pilot of BRM, was hiredin 1952 by Sir John Black - who was in charge of the Standard Triumphcompany in the post war period - to develop the "Triumph Sports 20 TS"prototype make a true sports car; so the TR2 was born. The TR2 was notonly as fast as his rival, the Austin Healey, but also cheaper to buyand more economical in use : an average 32 mpg petrol consumption or6,9 liter per 100 km with a 2 liter engine is even today a model ofeconomy. They had a anniversary run again in 2007 and if you can read German or Dutch may be able to find more on triumph speed records. <200708111502.1ijWez6SH3Nl34b1@mx-clapper.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000501c7dc4c$ebdccd90$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <002b01c7dd26$c7454590$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> there os a drain tube in the main bearing cap to drain the oil back into the oilpan Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Belfer" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Tony Drews" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > Thanks again, Tony. Y'know, I thought it looked like it was designed to > pump the oil back into the block. It worked well before so I'm not going > to > do the mod. > I'd call this an "Anti-Leak pump, rather than a seal. " :) > > ~Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Steve Belfer" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > > >> That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the >> flywheel >> toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it >> will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves >> really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification >> is >> to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts >> Northwest >> ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined >> off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. >> Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I >> believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal >> so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution >> and >> is a bit finicky to get to seal. >> >> Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the >> end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of >> the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the >> crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). >> >> I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every >> so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in >> it, >> rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor >> oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >>>I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a >>>local >>>machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two >>>aluminum >>>half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main >>>seal >>>assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on >>>the >>>crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the >>>grooves >>>inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>>pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >>> >>>Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) >>> >>>~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > stutzmans at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Aug 12 15:49:48 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? In-Reply-To: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> References: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <46BF807C.8000202@pobox.com> Ok, I'll admit it. I've screwed up and done this more than once. Rocker assembly not yet installed, but ... Ok, let's check to make sure the starter works - oops. Or, turn the engine over on the engine stand - oops. I've never had any trouble getting them back in though. Use a screw driver and/or magnetic tool to move it around until you can get a the magnetic pickup tool on the inside of the lifter. Then line it up over the lifter bore and use a screw driver to push it down into the bore. If it came out easily, it should go back easily. J.C. Hassall wrote: >I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker >assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its >bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the >bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to >slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of >patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for >the afternoon. > >Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy >Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. > >TIA > >jim From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 12 17:42:25 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 12 17:50:42 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070812235104.657D61879C1@autox.team.net> Uncle jack and Tony (Drews) will be there. I believe that Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer will be there too. Stop by and say hey! - Tony At 06:42 PM 8/12/2007, Doug Mitchell wrote: >Amici, > >Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream >Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to >Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. > >Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the >forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. > >At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something >to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. > >Cheers, > >Doug > >-- >Doug Mitchell >dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 >1973 Triumph Stag From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:27:51 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? References: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: You should be able to fiddle it back in. sometimes they get cocked a little. You might try a magnet applied to the edge while you hold the tappet down with the pushrod. I've been able to get them back in when I do exactly what you did--let the suction pull the tappet out. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of J.C. Hassall Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 11:30 AM To: FoT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:31:10 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan References: Message-ID: I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog. www.AllAluminumTour.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 12 18:41:36 2007 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: <380-2200781130413612@M2W014.mail2web.com> ...not necessarily in order of importance. Original Message: ----------------- From: Bill Babcock BillB at bnj.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700 To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog. www.AllAluminumTour.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot n197tr4 at cs.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:43:15 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: Actually you are looking at the source of many of those leaky Triumph jokes. Scroll seals, also called Labyrinth seals, work adequately on huge steam engines where there are scavenging pumps and oil/water separators between the seal segments but not so well on little four bangers with a wimpy drain pipe back to the crankcase (which has big variations in crankcase pressure). As others have said, you can get the scroll machined off and replace the silly thing with a somewhat compromised neoprene seal. these work better if you increase the spring pressure by shortening the innner spring a few turns. It's a worthwhile modification, all the steel cranks eliminate the scroll seal and use either a split seal or an unflanged end piece. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Steve Belfer Sent: Sat 8/11/2007 11:10 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) ~Steve billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sun Aug 12 18:43:12 2007 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:43:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: I've had this happen several times. I use an old push-rod for this. Just line up the offending lifter, insert the rod, wiggle it around a bit, and tap GENTLY to get it back in the bore. Never fails and using the lifter insures that the inside of the tappet will not be harmed! Good luck. John ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 12 19:36:07 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:36:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: I'll be there all weekend...Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: n197tr4 at cs.com> To: billb at bnj.com; dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:36 -0400> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > ...not necessarily in order of importance.> > Original Message:> -----------------> From: Bill Babcock BillB at bnj.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > > I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog.> > www.AllAluminumTour.com> > > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell> Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM> To: Friends of Triumph> Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > Amici,> > Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream> Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to> Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800.> > Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the> forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it.> > At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something> to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday.> > Cheers,> > Doug> > --> Doug Mitchell> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500> 1973 Triumph Stag> billb at bnj.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> n197tr4 at cs.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> mail2web - Check your email from the web at> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > greenman62 at hotmail.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 12 22:55:15 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <000001c7dd66$23e39ab0$2b24b348@blake1> Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible for raising me to admire all things mechanical he is also the one to blame for my illness that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. After dismantling his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, he told me I could have it if I got it running. I am still not certain if he realized what he got us both into. Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is currently without. He seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing and a 250 for the street. I figure reading the great posts on this list might help push him over the edge and commit to one or both. Regardless I am sure it will revive many memories of working on TRs together. Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can have a father son racing team. Thanks, Greg From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 12 22:51:01 2007 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:51:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <380-2200781134511240@M2W035.mail2web.com> 2nd! i vote for father/son tr4 racing team. joe a Original Message: ----------------- From: Greg & Alison Blake ablake2 at austin.rr.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0500 To: fot at autox.team.net, rblake36 at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] nomination Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible for raising me to admire all things mechanical he is also the one to blame for my illness that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. After dismantling his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, he told me I could have it if I got it running. I am still not certain if he realized what he got us both into. Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is currently without. He seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing and a 250 for the street. I figure reading the great posts on this list might help push him over the edge and commit to one or both. Regardless I am sure it will revive many memories of working on TRs together. Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can have a father son racing team. Thanks, Greg n197tr4 at cs.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From chris at tr4-racing.de Mon Aug 13 03:07:43 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:07:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: <007d01c7dd89$69226bb0$6402a8c0@HOME> I use a long wrench extension to fit the tappet in. By accident my wrench extension has about the same inside diameter as the tappet. With the pusrod or a screwdriver I upright the tappet, then I slip in the wrench extension and with the extension the tappet is centered and slip in very easy. Try it! cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:29:31 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:51 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Thread-Index: AcfdDv2bCpkouJS7SNCdK+yK0t+FrQAMcsr8 From: "Bill Babcock" To: "J.C. Hassall" , "FoT" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: You should be able to fiddle it back in. sometimes they get cocked a little. You might try a magnet applied to the edge while you hold the tappet down with the pushrod. I've been able to get them back in when I do exactly what you did--let the suction pull the tappet out. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of J.C. Hassall Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 11:30 AM To: FoT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 07:10:34 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <000001c7dd66$23e39ab0$2b24b348@blake1> Message-ID: <319930.28743.qm@web83114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member of this exteemed group. Doug --- Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > for raising me to > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > blame for my illness > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. > After dismantling > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, > he told me I could > have it if I got it running. I am still not certain > if he realized what > he got us both into. > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > currently without. He > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > and a 250 for the > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > list might help push > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > Regardless I am sure it > will revive many memories of working on TRs > together. > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > have a father son > racing team. > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 07:12:25 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <319930.28743.qm@web83114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79708.43299.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That should have been esteemed group, but maybe... --- Doug Mitchell wrote: > I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their > own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member > of this exteemed group. > > Doug > > --- Greg & Alison Blake > wrote: > > > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > > for raising me to > > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > > blame for my illness > > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this > list. > > After dismantling > > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years > ago, > > he told me I could > > have it if I got it running. I am still not > certain > > if he realized what > > he got us both into. > > > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > > currently without. He > > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > > and a 250 for the > > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > > list might help push > > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > > Regardless I am sure it > > will revive many memories of working on TRs > > together. > > > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > > have a father son > > racing team. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 07:52:14 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Terry Stetler wrote: > Interesting. Top speed number is higher than the HP number. A very efficient > package. Yep. I'd actually like to see the drag coefficient numbers for Peyote. They have to be very low to get that sort of top speed. This speaks volumes to the design and implimentation of that car. It's so simple but so effective. > Terry Stetler regards, rml p.s. Yes, I'm a Peyote fan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 07:56:07 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Why would you want to do this? I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my foot to stick to the accelerator. With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 13 09:11:45 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator. The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any pressure. Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > Why would you want to do this? > > I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my > foot to stick to the accelerator. > > With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 09:18:38 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > > Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... Ya, either that or we're not very "fast" =:-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Aug 13 09:24:03 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off due to the metal pedal surface. One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I put them on the pedals. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 13 09:35:44 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:35:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 08/13/2007 10:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > Amici... As previously stated, I use a narrow anti-skid strip on both my brake and accelerator pedals. I like that, but in fact it may be just what I'm used to. A side note...long term there's a price to pay. There's a small area on the sole of my right driver shoe wearing faster than the balance. Soon to be a hole. Got to be from the abrasive strips. But these are VERY old driver's shoes that should have been replaced long ago (I've a brand new pair on the shelf). BUT...you know how guys get attached to stuff. Old driver's shoes, a smelly helmet, undershorts, etc. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 13 10:02:25 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:02:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C08091.7060104@bradakis.com> I'm back from my trip to my father's funeral, I'll be working on catching up on email over the next few days. What address are you using for me? mjb. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 13 10:41:04 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <26613930.10979011187023264437.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I am with both of you guys. Never even thought of putting anything on the gas pedal. I grew up driving a 55 VW that had a roller for a gas pedal. Kind of like a skate wheel on a stick. Worked great, just keep your heel planted on the floor and push. Dean >From: Robert Lang >Date: 2007/08/13 Mon AM 10:18:38 CDT >To: Henry Frye >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators >On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > >> I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding >> the accelerator. >> >> The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal >> area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards >> the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small >> all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the >> right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving >> too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you >> didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any >> pressure. >> >> Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... > >Ya, either that or we're not very "fast" > >=:-) > >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 13 11:03:39 2007 From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <081320071703.5807.46C08EEB000440BA000016AF2160281060990E04D2069D@att.net> I second the second and vote for the TR-4 vintage racer. That is what I race and we need more of them. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their > own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member > of this exteemed group. > > Doug > > --- Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > > > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > > for raising me to > > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > > blame for my illness > > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. > > After dismantling > > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, > > he told me I could > > have it if I got it running. I am still not certain > > if he realized what > > he got us both into. > > > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > > currently without. He > > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > > and a 250 for the > > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > > list might help push > > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > > Regardless I am sure it > > will revive many memories of working on TRs > > together. > > > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > > have a father son > > racing team. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > westerneagleracing at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Aug 13 14:54:46 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:54:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering Wheel Message-ID: My son sent me this...some may enjoy Paul Man this looks like a lot of fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqTR07nSdFg&mode=related&search= This is a guy playing a pc game called GTR and he is using the Logitech G25 wheel. Wheel specs: Control 9000 Rotation: Go 2= times around lock to lock, or switch to 2000 to support standard games. Dual-Motor Force Feedback: Experience the silkiest, smoothest, most powerful force feedback yet. Feel every inch of the road for maximum control. Metal Gas and Brake Pedals: Get instant response with true-to-life pedals. 6 Speed Stick Shift: The first and only racing system with a true 6-speed stick shift for the ultimate in control. You can chose between sequential shifting or use F-1 style, wheel-mounted shifters. Comfort Hand-Stitched Leather: Keep your hands comfortable with this seamless 11-inch wheel. Too bad the wheel cost 255$ http://pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?product_id=14389&product_subtypes_id=454&prod uct_types_id=51 Just thought I would share. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Aug 13 15:42:49 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:42:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question In-Reply-To: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <02d401c7ddf2$e4c5f070$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the > pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches that seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole back into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong instructions as to how small to grind the crank. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 16:52:20 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <004001c7ddfc$9b582250$64092218@alex> I beaded mine up with better than match head size weld spots . I did not like the smooth feeling rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "jim hearn" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > >> Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? >> I >> was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >> maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up >> with >> a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > Why would you want to do this? > > I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my foot to stick > to the accelerator. > > With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Mon Aug 13 20:43:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:43:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Im going to have to join the weirdos that like slippery pedals. I don't put anything on mine. My cheater TR3 had tilton pedals that were serrated, and I couldn't heel and toe it to save my life. I ground them smooth and solved the problem -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off due to the metal pedal surface. One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I put them on the pedals. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Mon Aug 13 20:46:13 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: Message-ID: Dont remind me. I had to toss a pair of fireproof socks this week that found their way into the conventional laundry bag. Diane wouldn't permit them back into the car. My drivers shoes have broken strap loops on the top. I'm looking for a way to repair them. i don't like new driving apparel--I trust the old stuff. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:35 AM To: henry at henryfrye.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In a message dated 08/13/2007 10:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > Amici... As previously stated, I use a narrow anti-skid strip on both my brake and accelerator pedals. I like that, but in fact it may be just what I'm used to. A side note...long term there's a price to pay. There's a small area on the sole of my right driver shoe wearing faster than the balance. Soon to be a hole. Got to be from the abrasive strips. But these are VERY old driver's shoes that should have been replaced long ago (I've a brand new pair on the shelf). BUT...you know how guys get attached to stuff. Old driver's shoes, a smelly helmet, undershorts, etc. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Aug 13 20:49:22 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> <02d401c7ddf2$e4c5f070$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <000901c7de1d$b9a86ff0$6401a8c0@TER2> The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance between the crankshaft scroll and the alluminum housing. The factory setup gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been "remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" on the diameter. That works great on a tight engine. There is vitually no leakage unless the engine is reved over 6,000 rpm. At reves over 6,000 the crank begins to flex and it allows a little oil out. For street engines and mild race engines this "blueprinted" seal is the ticket as far as I am concerned. For a high RPM race engine we weld up the threaded area and have it remachined to the original major diameter of the threads and then remachine the original seal holder to use a Chrysler 383 cu in engine 2 piece rubber lip seal. This setup does not leak a drop at engine speed over 7200 rpm. With either of this seal arrangement, concentricity is very iimportant. We will not build and engine using the "Split one piece seal" as sold by Moss. I have tried them 4 times, each time it has taken 5 or 6 hours or more of setup to get the alloy seal holders to fit the block correctly and the seals have still leaked at least a little, sometimes a lot!. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question >> If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >> pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? > > A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches > that > seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole > back > into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, > and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. > > Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong > instructions as to how small to grind the crank. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it > may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of > its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and > not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. > If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for > delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that > you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 21:34:42 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <004d01c7de24$1fe44130$64092218@alex> as far as heal and toe " fagettaboutit "I have rigged a bike brake handle to the shift lever the cable runs to the throutle any time i have to shift the gas is in my hand ,It makes it easy and consistant to blend gears rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Im going to have to join the weirdos that like slippery pedals. I don't > put > anything on mine. My cheater TR3 had tilton pedals that were serrated, and > I > couldn't heel and toe it to save my life. I ground them smooth and solved > the > problem > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of > spitfiresuz at 141.com > Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:24 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me > all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it > to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off > due > to the metal pedal surface. > > One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car > or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a > more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I > put them on the pedals. > > Susan :) > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Aug 13 22:08:19 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/12/07 5:29:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BillB at bnj.com writes: << One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. >> I did the exact same thing several years ago. After carefully installing a new steel head gasket and the head, I removed one of the pushrods, and out came the lifter. After a few hours of trying to juggle the lifter back into the hole, off came the head again. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Aug 14 05:52:33 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:52:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: <12751845.286471187092353874.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> I will have to say that I have used Greg's remade seals in at least three street engines and in my TR3A race motor. They work!. Save your old seals and send them to Greg. Dean T. >From: Greg Solow >Date: 2007/08/13 Mon PM 09:49:22 CDT >To: Randall Young , 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question >The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance >between the crankshaft scroll and the alluminum housing. The factory setup >gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been >"remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" >on the diameter. That works great on a tight engine. There is vitually no >leakage unless the engine is reved over 6,000 rpm. At reves over 6,000 the >crank begins to flex and it allows a little oil out. For street engines and >mild race engines this "blueprinted" seal is the ticket as far as I am >concerned. > For a high RPM race engine we weld up the threaded area and have it >remachined to the original major diameter of the threads and then remachine >the original seal holder to use a Chrysler 383 cu in engine 2 piece rubber >lip seal. This setup does not leak a drop at engine speed over 7200 rpm. > With either of this seal arrangement, concentricity is very iimportant. > We will not build and engine using the "Split one piece seal" as sold by >Moss. I have tried them 4 times, each time it has taken 5 or 6 hours or more >of setup to get the alloy seal holders to fit the block correctly and the >seals have still leaked at least a little, sometimes a lot!. > >Greg Solow >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Randall Young" >To: "'Friends of Triumph'" >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:42 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > > >>> If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>> pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >> >> A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches >> that >> seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole >> back >> into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, >> and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. >> >> Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong >> instructions as to how small to grind the crank. >> >> Randall >> (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it >> may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of >> its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or >> entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and >> not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. >> If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >> delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that >> you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, >> dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, >> please immediately notify the sender by return mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Aug 14 08:48:34 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum hubs Message-ID: <200708141448.l7EEmiAL229103@ns3.geneseo.net> Southwick aluminum front hubs are available for shipping. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6 Price $565 plus shipping, per pair. Includes all bearings, studs, seals, dust cap. For those who have sent in a deposit, you will be contacted by Southwick, if it hasn't happened already. If you are not on the list but have decided to purchase these, please contact Southwick Machine and Design at 309-949-2868 Thanks for putting up with messages about this on the lists -- NFI -- just trying to help the sport. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Aug 14 09:08:29 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:08:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/07 7:49:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes: << The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance between the crankshaft scroll and the aluminum housing. The factory setup gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been "remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" on the diameter. >> The best luck I have had to minimize leakage (not stop it) was to not take the original seal off of the block. Of course if you are going to have the block boiled or line bored, you have to. The original seals seem to be of a better quality than the after market seals you buy today, and that the British were good at centralizing them. I have installed several of these seals using a mandrel a machinist made for me, which Hardy says is slightly off size. If I get into trouble again, I will take a bunch of micrometer readings on the mandrel, and probably try one of Greg's seals. Most people racing TR's leave off the bottom transmission dust covers. This will hopefully allow any leakage to escape and not oil the clutch.


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Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 14 10:19:10 2007 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] aluminum hubs In-Reply-To: <200708141448.l7EEmiAL229103@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <549178.62355.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack, Are the heavy duty axle kits that go with the hubs still available? Thumbs Up. Steve "Jack W. Drews" wrote: Southwick aluminum front hubs are available for shipping. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6 Price $565 plus shipping, per pair. Includes all bearings, studs, seals, dust cap. For those who have sent in a deposit, you will be contacted by Southwick, if it hasn't happened already. If you are not on the list but have decided to purchase these, please contact Southwick Machine and Design at 309-949-2868 Thanks for putting up with messages about this on the lists -- NFI -- just trying to help the sport. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Aug 14 12:35:22 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:35:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: I knew a Swedish girl who would drive her White Spitfire Mk.2 barefoot, she said it made driving a more sensual experience! L From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 13:09:55 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:09:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers Message-ID: All, I need 24 high-shear strength studs, 5/16"-24 2" long. My favorite resources McMaster, Aircraft Spruce and Pegasus have failed me. Any ideas team? Also, I would like some recommendations for an enclosed car carrier company, to transport Rags to its new digs in New Mexico. I cannot tow Rags; I'll already be driving a 26' truck towing a car on a trailer, with Pam driving the wagon with 4 dogs and towing the bikes on a trailer. TIA, Shane _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From ryoung at navcomtech.com Tue Aug 14 15:05:33 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:05:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <042201c7deb6$da8e4700$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > I need 24 high-shear strength studs, 5/16"-24 2" long. MMC has threaded rod in 4140 (125,000 psi tensile). You could cut your own studs out of that. http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3087 99086A190 Or if that's not strong enough, call up ARP and see if they have something. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From britbits at tiu.net Tue Aug 14 22:13:26 2007 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:13:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? Message-ID: <005201c7def2$a147fd10$0201a8c0@DFWJBXC1> I'm trying to help a friend figure out what to order from ARP for main bearing cap retaining hardware. He'd prefer to go with studs rather than bolts. Anyone figured this one out already? TIA Jim Dallas/DENVER From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 15 06:58:41 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:58:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Message-ID: Amici Are there any Triumphs amongst us that are participating in this year's historics? I will be there with at least two of my children, maybe three. Needless to say in any event it will be a trip up the coast line in an SUV rather than a sportscar. I thought about taking the old Mercedes 6.9, but the memories of how they trashed the inside of the rental minivan on the last trip are still too vivid in my mind. Cary ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 15 07:42:47 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? References: <005201c7def2$a147fd10$0201a8c0@DFWJBXC1> Message-ID: I've found the key with ARP is to call up and hope you get the right guy. I don't know his name, but there's a guy there that knows every part they make. You tell him what you need and he rattles off the part numbers. I've found him twice now, so it's not impossible. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Jim Sent: Tue 8/14/2007 9:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? I'm trying to help a friend figure out what to order from ARP for main bearing cap retaining hardware. He'd prefer to go with studs rather than bolts. Anyone figured this one out already? TIA Jim Dallas/DENVER billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Wed Aug 15 08:52:23 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] IRL TESTING Message-ID: <009701c7df4b$e5520f10$208cb304@Bud> Hi Gang...For those close to INFINEON...IRL testing this Thursday 8/16 1030-430 Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Aug 15 09:51:58 2007 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:51:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] IRL TESTING Message-ID: If you get into the Hot Pits, go to the Penske spot of Helio Castroneves. Look for the kid at the computers or ask "Where's Yeager?" Introduce yourself to my son Aaron and tell him you are a Triumph friend of mine. I have fun sending people to him in all parts of the country. Enjoy yourself, Dave Yeager ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:59:36 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers Message-ID: Randall, Thanks for writing. I am using these studs in the hubs, so I would be concerned that the 120,000 psi studs from McMaster are not up to the job. ARP has them threaded coarse at one end, fine at the other, 170,000 psi - should not be a problem. But they are $3.08 each! Ouch. Cheers, Shane _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 16:46:57 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] lime rock Message-ID: <005001c7df8e$30cb04f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> does anybody, who will be at Lime Rock, have extra crew passes for 2 completely unworthy WPTA guys? Bruce From LOddTR at aol.com Wed Aug 15 17:35:32 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:35:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Cookout at Roebling Road VDCA Races - September 7, 8, 9 Message-ID: The upcoming races at Roebling Road will surely provide the best racing value of the season. The two day race weekend, by VDCA and SCCA Vintage, will be kicked off with a Friday test day. Only one thing could make the weekend better than that - A FATBASTARD COOKOUT! Based on the demands of our fellow Triumph racers, we will hold our third burgers and dogs dinner at the Triumph Ghetto The date and time are a bit foggy right now but will become clearer when the hangover goes away. Keep an eye on that inbox for further updates. In the mean time, get your entry in by going to the VDCA website and following the instructions for online registration. _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) Oh yeah, buy a lot of fuel. You're gonna need it! Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton & Don Marshall ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 20:21:32 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:21:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] barnfinds Message-ID: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> This may be old hat to some listers But i had to pass this on anyway ..............check out WWW.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm This barn was purchased with out looking inside or so the story goes rob From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 15 22:34:48 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] barnfinds In-Reply-To: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> References: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> Message-ID: <46C3D3E7.7050605@verizon.net> That one has been around awhile. It is partly true. See here. http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/barnfind.asp Cheers, Kurt O. rob wrote: >This may be old hat to some listers But i had to pass this on anyway >..............check out WWW.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm This barn was >purchased with out looking inside or so the story goes rob >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 16 00:18:47 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:18:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] St. Louis SCCA National Races this past weekend Message-ID: I went downt to St. Louis for my second event this year. It's much closer to my house (only 2.5 hours) and the track is fun, but not many places to pass and it uses part of the oval. Practice was good. I went out on the old tires to shake down the car and make sure nothing was wrong. 14 laps...turned a 1:17.8 without much trying. The rest of saturday was spent at the hotel in the air-con as it was 100 degrees out. Qualifying was on Sunday morning. I put the good tires on and headed out. I did about 6 laps and got down to a 1.15.9, good enough for 2nd of the 7 HP cars that showed up. Pole for HP was a 1.15.3. At race time it was 105 out. The HP pole sitter ended up starting from the back with a different car in a different class then switched to the HP car. So...it was me on point. I got the worst start I've ever had, and lost first. I followed for a few laps and then tried to pass in a spot that isn't for passing, but I needed to get by there to pull out a lead before the straight. I couldn't make it stick, so I sat behind and waited for a while. Water temp was a consistent 230 deg F and oil temp ran about 270 def F. It didn't make noise and kept running and didn't climb so I just ran with it. After about 15 laps the faster classes started lapping us. The clases may be faster in lap time, but through the twisty section they aren't as fast. One got by me going into the infield section and that allowed the HP leader to put a huge gap on me. So I decided I'd ride it out to the end. With 2 laps (i didn't know this though) to go I started onto the front straight and the car dropped to 3 cylinders. I decided just to run it until it blew...it's either something simple that won't hurt it, or something bad and it's already to late. as I got onto the front straight the HP leader had a big time engine blow-up. So I continued on figure the race had to be about over so I continued on 3 cylinders. Under all the smoke and stuff i missed the starters 1 to go signal. When i came back around I took the checkered flag and my first SCCA National win! It was a good weekend...motor problem was only a broken intake pushrod...it's fixed and I'm in Pennsylvania going to Pocono this weekend! Aaron Johnson #87 H-Prod Spitfire MkIV Southern Illinois Region SCCA http://hpspitfire.servebeer.com From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 16 00:20:19 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19 Message-ID: For those of you with nothing to do this weekend... SCCA National Races at Pocono International Raceway. I've travelled all the way from Illinois to run. Looks like one other Spitfire on the entry list...It should be a fun weekend. Information is at www.triregionracing.org Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 06:50:43 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19 Message-ID: Cool Runnings, Aaron... I'll be a GrattanGreg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:20:19 -0400> From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19> > For those of you with nothing to do this weekend...> > SCCA National Races at Pocono International Raceway. I've travelled all the way from Illinois to run.> > Looks like one other Spitfire on the entry list...It should be a fun weekend. Information is at www.triregionracing.org> > Aaron Johnson> #87 HP Spitfire 1500> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > greenman62 at hotmail.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 16 08:40:26 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September Message-ID: FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 08:47:36 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:47:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Hi Joe, I plan making this one, missed it last year. Kev Lynch, GT6 #6 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 09:03:43 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:03:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the wise however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, we've 60 cars already confirmed. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 10:01:14 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:01:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hastings is a long haul from Albuquerque, but still on my "Maybe" list. Does anyone know the specific run groups yet? Curious if my DP TR4 would go into a small bore or big/small bore group. RMVR web-page on run groups lists everything but DP. Greg Hilyer TR4 #314 On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the > wise > however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, > we've 60 > cars already confirmed. > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September > > > FoT, > > A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will > be my first > view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I > could use two > and would try to be useful. > > We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until > Sunday. > Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some > guys are > coming in > from OK & TX? > > Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) > > Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". > > Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > klynch_6 at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Thu Aug 16 10:57:18 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:57:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roebling Road Sept 7,8,9 Message-ID: <010401c7e026$820911c0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> If you're anywhere near the South next month and you like low key events with LOTS of track time you should make a point of coming to the VDCA/SCCA vintage event at Roebling Rd. The actual race weekend is two days (Saturday/Sunday) so the rate is very low in spite of all the track time. In addition, the track is having a test/tune day on Friday that typically generates so much track time that some of us haven't been able to handle it all. Last time Leo ran all 7 sessions on Friday and logged over 3 hours just that day. I could only manage 5 sessions before I decided I'd had enough fun for one day. We'll be doing a FatBastard cookout and wine tasting on Friday evening at the new improved Triumph ghetto near turn 3 so, if you're in the area, please come by. Don From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 10:59:20 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:59:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Greg, you'd be put with 'fast' small bore. That group usually has 30+ cars in it. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: KEVIN LYNCH Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September Hastings is a long haul from Albuquerque, but still on my "Maybe" list. Does anyone know the specific run groups yet? Curious if my DP TR4 would go into a small bore or big/small bore group. RMVR web-page on run groups lists everything but DP. Greg Hilyer TR4 #314 On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the > wise > however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, > we've 60 > cars already confirmed. > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com> > To: fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September > > > FoT, > > A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will > be my first > view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I > could use two > and would try to be useful. > > We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until > Sunday. > Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some > guys are > coming in > from OK & TX? > > Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) > > Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". > > Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > klynch_6 at msn.com> > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Catpusher at aol.com Thu Aug 16 12:54:42 2007 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:54:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 speed & Laguna Message-ID: In the early days of running the ARRC at Road Atlanta, my race tires, and thus the TR3, were narrow. The Georgia State Patrol took speed readings down in the dip, and mine was posted at 142 MPH. I had a G3 cam and other items from the Kas Prep Book, so probably about 165 BMP. Ellie and I are about to depart for Laguna. We will be with GP1A car # 3 with the Dennison Group Hardy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 16 13:33:41 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:33:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club Message-ID: FoT, Here is a website for the new track in Iowa http://www.lamonzaclub.com/ I dont know how these important things get under my radar. But it did. Breaking ground this fall. I just found out about it. On I-35 between Minneapolis and Des Moines. It is another country club track and it is 2.9 miles for the full track. I am amazed. But encouraged. I'd like to think it will be successful. The name "LA MONZA" throws me a bit. At least they didnt try to draw on the "FIELD OF DREAMS" theme. Joe Alexander From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:14:55 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:14:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club References: Message-ID: Joe, that La Monza link seems deceased. Kevin Lynch www.highplainsraceway.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club FoT, Here is a website for the new track in Iowa http://www.lamonzaclub.com/> I dont know how these important things get under my radar. But it did. Breaking ground this fall. I just found out about it. On I-35 between Minneapolis and Des Moines. It is another country club track and it is 2.9 miles for the full track. I am amazed. But encouraged. I'd like to think it will be successful. The name "LA MONZA" throws me a bit. At least they didnt try to draw on the "FIELD OF DREAMS" theme. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:24:20 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:24:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza Message-ID: http://www.lamonzaclub.com/facility.asp Kevin From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:28:31 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:28:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza References: Message-ID: oops ! then click on the 'Facility' button in their toolbar. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN LYNCH To: FOT ; Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza http://www.lamonzaclub.com/facility.asp sp> Kevin _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Robertten1 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 20:07:02 2007 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:07:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] red floor mats for SPITFIRE on ebay Message-ID: WOW $106 for those red rubber floor mats for a Spitfire! Someone really wanted them bad. Makes me want to go dig through my spares to find the White Set I have for Spitfires, LoL. No, I'll hold on to them a while longer. I guess its true what they say about Ebay, people are paying stupid money for things they want. Sorry for the babble, Bob T. (Autocrossing next weekend will get my mind off those stupid mats) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From koblinger at verizon.net Fri Aug 17 09:03:05 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:03:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] O/T Building Triumph Bikes Message-ID: <22399445.9178621187362985903.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> A short vid on the manufacture of current Triumph bikes. Good to see they have stayed with some of the traditional methods! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc Cheers, Kurt O. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 17 13:49:12 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:49:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From chasgee at aol.com Fri Aug 17 12:49:13 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <8C9AF1670BE6826-964-4F0E@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Aug 17 13:20:27 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:20:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ryoung at navcomtech.com Fri Aug 17 13:27:48 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:27:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Just so I am clear on the topic; this is the "Salisbury" type LSD, that will still transmit power even if one wheel is in the air, right ? Put me down for at least one, maybe two. I've only been on the autoX course a couple of times, but both times having a rear wheel in the air was by far the biggest problem I had, even with sway bars. I'll pick them up at Ken's. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Charly Mitchel > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs > > I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated > cost. The > unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from > customs and the > shipping to each individual buyer. > > Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the > local shipping > costs. > This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. > Please let me know if > you're interested. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > ryoung at navcomtech.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files > transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to > NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence > and not disclosed to third parties without the written > consent of the sender. 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If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 20:06:30 2007 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:06:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head gasket fo ra milled head Message-ID: <000901c7e13c$64a6f860$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox> I have begun to assemble my new motor expecting to have to trim the head gasket for the .075 I took off the head. Oddly enough the shape of the compression ring on the new gasket matches the combustion chamber perfectly. The compression rings are almost oval. I compared it to the original gasket and the original is perfectly round to match the liners. One thing though, I will require perfect alighnment of the gasket on the liners as the compression rings are right on the interior edge of the bore. I have + .030 pistons in it. any idea's on what will happen if I get a bit of the gasket hanging over ? Jim Gray ( RMVR newbie ) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Aug 18 08:00:08 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:00:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 head gasket fo ra milled head Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/07 7:07:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: << any idea's on what will happen if I get a bit of the gasket hanging over ? > > Kass's book: Possible detonation or pre-ignition, though I have done it before when in a hurry. I have occasionally installed a steel head gasket with no ground off areas to match the combustion chamber. Never noticed any difference, but not a good idea. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 21:06:54 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c7e20d$ff83abe0$c52a144c@computer> Hi Chuck, I could definitely go for one. Let me know what you need. Thanks, Jim Hearn Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: Chasgee at aol.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 21:08:18 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:08:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c7e20e$318137c0$c52a144c@computer> Sorry Chuck. It's for a '74 TR6. Jim Hearn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: Chasgee at aol.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Aug 19 07:31:36 2007 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:31:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] lime rock References: <005001c7df8e$30cb04f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <002401c7e265$43fd3370$6401a8c0@LoriMajor> Bruce, did you get any replies? Ed Ed Major '58 TR3, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stutzman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: [Fot] lime rock > does anybody, who will be at Lime Rock, have extra crew passes for 2 > completely unworthy WPTA guys? > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > ejmajor250 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Aug 19 11:03:14 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> <01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c7e282$d557b7b0$0502a8c0@desktop> Randall, I believe this is correct. What I understand is the "Salisbury" type LSD is now manufactured under the Tran-x name(http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html). As far if is a direct copy of the "Salisbury" type LSD, I'm not positive. I can check into that for you if you like. I was told this will fit TR-4 as well as TR4A, TR250, and TR6, probably Stag, TVR, and Triumph saloons that use the same center housing as a TR6. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs > Just so I am clear on the topic; this is the "Salisbury" type LSD, that > will > still transmit power even if one wheel is in the air, right ? > > Put me down for at least one, maybe two. I've only been on the autoX > course > a couple of times, but both times having a rear wheel in the air was by > far > the biggest problem I had, even with sway bars. I'll pick them up at > Ken's. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Charly Mitchel >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs >> >> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated >> cost. The >> unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from >> customs and the >> shipping to each individual buyer. >> >> Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the >> local shipping >> costs. >> This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. >> Please let me know if >> you're interested. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> ryoung at navcomtech.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files >> transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to >> NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >> whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence >> and not disclosed to third parties without the written >> consent of the sender. 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This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it > may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of > its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and > not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. > If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for > delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that > you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 18:44:33 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:44:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: Charley, I have a Salisbury, and I sure would like to pick up a spare set of clutch plates. Could you see if they are the same between Salisbury and Tran-X? I wonder what the price is for plates alone? Thx, Shane Ingate Charley Mitchell wrote: >Randall, I believe this is correct. What I understand is the "Salisbury" >type LSD is now manufactured under the Tran-x >name(http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html). As far if is a direct copy >of the "Salisbury" type LSD, I'm not positive. I can check into that for >you if you like. I was told this will fit TR-4 as well as TR4A, TR250, and >TR6, probably Stag, TVR, and Triumph saloons that use the same center >housing as a TR6. >Charly Mitchel _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From herald948 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 08:02:13 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [triumph_herald] What 1147 engine parts or 3 rail gearbox parts are of value? In-Reply-To: <275623.9769.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <275623.9769.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9B149D7C830D1-CFC-9BDD@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> [forwarded for Lance; please reply to HIM at the address below, not to me, if you're interested in any 1147 engine bits] -----Original Message----- From: Lance Smith Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:56 am Subject: [triumph_herald] What 1147 engine parts or 3 rail gearbox parts are of value? I am emptying my garage of spares that I won't need. I sold some carbs, one engine and distributor, but the rest has not generated any interest. A buddy told me that the 1147 crank is desireable by itself. If I disassembled the engine, someone might buy the crank. Are there other parts like this? The local scrap metal guys don't pay for iron, but will take it for free. I'm getting serious about emptying the garage in order to move on to other projects. lance, nor cal ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 20 09:08:52 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Speaking of Tran-X Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone on the list running a Tran-X SL72 dog box? Just curious. It's a "direct replacement for a Ford Type 9". I imagine with the dollar / pound that it be expensive, but I don't recall having ever seen a discussion on the topic here. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Mon Aug 20 14:37:40 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> Message-ID: <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is just wrong on so many levels. http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C000091&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Aug 20 15:40:57 2007 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <003201c7e372$cdb4e5f0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Can you say faster than a triumph Hmmmmmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: "Jim Bauder" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? > This is just wrong on so many levels. > > http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C000091&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > wensley_tr at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 20 15:52:41 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: I knew a guy who built an MGA with a 289 Ford HiPo K code engine for a customer many years ago. According to my friend, about 7 hours after delivery the customer wrapped it around a phone pole. Some things should never be done. This is one of them. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: Jim Bauder Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? This is just wrong on so many levels. http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C00009 1&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Aug 20 18:23:44 2007 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:23:44 +1000 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs Message-ID: <20070821002344.MLDR23432.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. Other TR's have same set Thanks Terry O'Beirne From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 21 06:38:47 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:38:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] New member nominee Message-ID: I would like to nominate Bill Tobin for membership in the fot. I met Bill at Grattan this weekend where he was piloting his very pretty red TR6. I don't get to propse names often... Bill will make a fine addition to our ranks. Please send him a bill for dues and let him know that he's now FOTcretary;o) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 21 06:42:37 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070821124320.17B5D1879BE@autox.team.net> I'll second that! I met Bill at Grattan too. He's enthusiastic and looking for information as he enters the vintage racing scene. We discussed a book that VSCDA handed out in the drivers school, and next thing I know he's bought one for Jack and me. What a nice guy! - Tony Drews At 07:38 AM 8/21/2007, greenman62 at hotmail.com wrote: >I would like to nominate Bill Tobin for membership in the fot. > >I met Bill at Grattan this weekend where he was piloting his very pretty red >TR6. >I don't get to propse names often... Bill will make a fine addition to our >ranks. > >Please send him a bill for dues and let him know that he's now FOTcretary;o) > >Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking >its territory... From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 21 09:00:42 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:00:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] New member nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 7:43:16 AM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > I'll second that! I met Bill at Grattan too. He's enthusiastic and > looking for information as he enters the vintage racing scene. We > discussed a book that VSCDA handed out in the drivers school, and > next thing I know he's bought one for Jack and me. Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known professional driving instructor. The books was financed by the Vintage Motorsports Council, and the VSCDA bought a stash to use in our Driver's Schools. We also sell them in our Regalia Booths, and via the headquarters office. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Aug 21 09:49:47 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:49:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor Message-ID: Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known professional driving instructor. The author's name is E.Paul Dickinson who holds FIA,ALMS,Grand AM & SCCA licences. We too @ RMVR, utilize these handbooks. Every student in our Driver's School gets one. A valuable little tool & as an aside, neat'art deco' cover work by artist Mark Bender. Kev Lynch GT6 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 10:02:51 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor References: Message-ID: <004201c7e40c$b9f23ff0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Kevin: This is an excellent book and our club, CSRG, purchased a quantity and made them available to all the members. This is a good book for both new and experienced drivers alike. Gary TR4, TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor > Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's > full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known > professional driving instructor. > > > The author's name is E.Paul Dickinson who holds FIA,ALMS,Grand AM & SCCA > licences. > We too @ RMVR, utilize these handbooks. Every student in our Driver's > School > gets one. A valuable little tool & as an aside, neat'art deco' cover work > by > artist Mark Bender. > > Kev Lynch > GT6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 21 10:53:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:53:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: Radio Personality Paul Harvey frequently draws upon the wit and wisdom of Ron Dentinger....ya, that Dentinger Family. Ron recently sent this to Paul Harvey for his use on his radio show: "You know that you are overweight when your host steers you away from the WICKER CHAIRS". I guess this fits in well with Bill Babcock's recent commentaries on the current state of Midwestern Midsections. I suspect that this thread all began with Bill when we had dinner in a Geneseo, Illinois restaurant I ordered CHEESE with my Hash Browns...along with a greasy full platter of Pork Ribs. Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 21 11:08:22 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:08:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 11:53:36 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Radio Personality Paul Harvey frequently draws upon the wit and wisdom of > Ron Dentinger....ya, that Dentinger Family. > > Ron recently sent this to Paul Harvey for his use on his radio show: > > "You know that you are overweight when your host steers you away from the > WICKER CHAIRS". > True. My brother Ron is a humorist and professional banquet speaker. He has sold jokes to the likes of Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, and Henny Youngman. He's been sending Paul Harvey material for nearly two decades. I don't know for sure, but I don't think Paul has ever sent him a nickel. But, at least he's been giving him vocal credit the past few years. Ron says that's been worth more to him than any fee. My whole family is into humor. Ron is very laid back. If you've ever heard Ron speak, he has Henny Youngman's sense of humor and George Gobel's delivery. His routine is a bunch of very silly one liners, but there are so many, and they come quick one after another. He is very good, stays busy, and has a 'clean' routine. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 21 11:18:24 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:18:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: Clean Routine....YES! Once John Deere had a very bad experience with an off-color comedian in a huge series of Retirement Banquets. Extremely bad experience..... I went to the Personnel Manager and suggested Ron Dentinger for the next series. Much harried Personnel Manager said, "the next time we are going to have the Mormon Tabernacle Choir"......... Joe A > True. My brother Ron is a humorist and professional banquet speaker. He > has sold jokes to the likes of Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, and Henny > Youngman. He's been sending Paul Harvey material for nearly two decades. I > don't know for sure, but I don't think Paul has ever sent him a nickel. But, at > least he's been giving him vocal credit the past few years. Ron says that's > been worth more to him than any fee. My whole family is into humor. Ron is > very laid back. If you've ever heard Ron speak, he has Henny Youngman's > sense of humor and George Gobel's delivery. His routine is a bunch of very silly > one liners, but there are so many, and they come quick one after another. > He is very good, stays busy, and has a 'clean' routine. > > Bill (Damdinger) > From stutzmans at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 19:11:18 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] watkins glen Message-ID: <003201c7e459$58963610$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go to waste if you didn't give them to us? Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Aug 21 19:36:44 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] watkins glen Message-ID: <5773493.21195831187746605390.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> I have extra crew passes but they are for Roebling Road...I will be there along with Leo, and Don at the VDCA event. Come on down for some Fun. Triumph Fat Bastard supper included. Dean >From: Stutzman >Date: 2007/08/21 Tue PM 08:11:18 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] watkins glen >who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go to >waste if you didn't give them to us? >Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Aug 21 20:32:15 2007 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:32:15 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Amici Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There are some on ebay for $60 geoff byrne TR6 racer down under From adcronin at ameritech.net Mon Aug 20 17:00:08 2007 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recently Nominated to Join FOT Message-ID: <715592.22356.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 8/20 List Members Back in early August Bill Sohl was kind enough to nominate me for membership in the FOT and it was in turn seconded by Doug Mitchell---thank you Doug! Bill suggested that perhaps I could write a short "bio" on my background with Triumphs, so here goes. My initial exposure to TR's began in summer of '64 while a student at Michigan State University. A good friend (DD) had a white 55 TR2 ,(he was the fourth owner of the car which had had the motor and rear axle upgraded to TR3A components by a prior purchaser). When he broke his ankle on a skate board and couldn't get the cast to work the clutch and brake peddles he sold TS6927L to me (5th owner) for $400. I drove the car daily till Uncle Sam called the summer of '66 and per our original deal, I offered it back to DD (6th owner) for the same $$ as I had purchased it for. I spent 3-1/2 years in the service of Uncle Sam, got married, etc and yearned to have a TR once more. DD still had the car, but had filled in the wing seams, redone the red leather interior in black vinyl and painted the car BRG. He drove it for a while then when something went wrong and had no time parked it in an outbuilding where it sat for many years. He agreed to sell it to me once again for the original $400 deal--this in 1976. Thus began my re-association with things Triumph. I joined the Vintage Triumph Register (#824), The Detroit Triumph Sports car Club, the Triumph Register (England) and the TRA. Became active in the early years of TVT as Special Projects Manager, Book Service Guy & Production Manager of TVT and eventually Vice President under Steve Rossi. From 1985 to 2005 was mostly inactive in the various clubs due to work and family but did manage to keep collecting various NOS and reproduction parts to eventually rebuild the "2". Have owned several other TR's, TS5616L, TS78310L, TCF1325L and TCF2386L over the years, but always had the restoration of that first TR2 in the back of my mind. I struggled with what sort of "restoration" to undertake---Original build show car, or updated daily driver---eventually settling in 2005 with---Spirited, Updated Daily Driver---which I am now in the midst of implementing. The list of items the car will exhibit is extensive and will make no economic sense to anyone including yours truly, but then that is not what drives us to extremes is it? The car will sit on a new RATCO Frame, especially modified by Tony Vigliotti to accept complete TR6 front suspension components which will be augmented with Uncle Jacks uprated stub axle kit, Toyota 4-pot calipers on EBS disks and SS braided flex lines to the new Revington TR split (front/rear) brake system components and Revington TR's rear disk brake kit (utilizing Rover 800 components) with remote Servo assist to help reduce peddle pressure inherent with four wheel disk brakes. I plan to install a front/rear pressure control to fine tune the front/rear bias. My plan at present is to retain stock TR6 front springs with Spax adjustable shocks and 3/4" front sway bar, new Utherane suspension bushings throughout. Rear suspension will also be stock springs dampened by Apple Hydraulics 15% uprated rebuilt lever shocks, SS front spring retainer bolt and Uth. bushing with upgraded rear shackle mounting. Diff has been rebuilt with 4:11 to 1 ring and pinion gearing mounted to a Quaife (gear type) Positrack unit enclosed by finned alloy diff. cover. Cooling supplied via full core aluminum radiator, alloy water pump housing with 6-blade impeller and alloy thin belt pulleys (including damper and alternator (negative ground conversion) pulleys, 12" electric fan with manual override and an oil cooler w/thermostat after spin on oil filter unit, and alloy sump with clearanced oil pump. Steering will be via a Revington TR Rack and Pinion conversion kit and a Mona-Lita 15" dished leather wheel, turn signals actuated via MG stalk mounted unit. Wheels are Panasport 5.5 x 15 and will probably go with 185 x 70 series tires to stay close to original tire diameter. Revington TR alloy front hubs and adjustable upper A arm gudgeon pins for added adjust-ability in suspension geometry. Motor will be TCF block with British Frame and Engine 89mm piston, tapered pins and liner kit, Cower steel billet crank (thanks Mordy) augmented by Carrillo standard length A beam rods. Cam will be around 280 degree duration and .410 +/- lift, new push rods to alloy roller rockers supported by alloy rocker supports with new shaft and comp. springs, alloy retainers, SS valves with .50 lager intake, gas flowed head and TR4A intake manifold, exhaust is TSI ceramic coated header to standard TR2 pipes. All rotating parts static and dynamically balanced to include Fidanza alloy flywheel, TR6 type McLoude diaphragm clutch pp and disk. HVDA TR to Toyota 5-speed transmission conversion (trans rebuilt by ManTran) with McLeod TOB. Additional engine upgrades will include Craine 3000 electronic ignition and matching coil, be built re-curved distributor by John Smarna, negative ground conversion, MagnaCor 10mm ignition wires, Bosh plugs. Alloy front engine plate and valve cover. Electric fuel pump / filters, alloy gas tank. A complete Dan Masters wire harness with additional relays will be installed along with 100 w Pl700 headlights, interior courtesy lites, under hood and trunk lights, XM and Nav systems, Mazda Miata seats and individual roll bars behind each seat with three point belts. Car will be topped off with factory steel hardtop. Interior will be put back to original red leather / vinyl (including Miata seats!) and carpet and the exterior body and top back to white, but probably from current generation Toyota Tundra pickup which is a bit "warmer and deeper" than the old Pearl White. That about does it, but I know I have neglected some items as this continues to be a "work in progress". If any of you have thoughts, suggestions or constructive criticism I am interested in hearing them. I am hoping to be done by VTR in Detroit for 2008, but?????????? Am also restoring a 1940 Indian four cylinder motorcycle and enjoy fly fishing in my spare time (now that I have retired and have some!). Thanks for your patients in reading his rather rambling tale and overlooking my mis-spellings too! Regards, Dan Cronin Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 14 03:38:38 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report Message-ID: <20070814095138.QRUM5405.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. We had just pulled out of Mesa and travelled about four miles on the Beeline Highway when something prompted me to ask Tyler if he had his driving boots packed. He checked and he did not. We turned around sprinted the twelve miles back home. That little side trip would cost me a little bit because the combined 24 mile detour left us 2.6 miles short of a Gas Station in Payson! Fortunately we were hauling race karts and gear in the trailer. Coasted to a stop on the side of the road, opened the trailer and poured in two gallons of mixed race gas into the tank. With 110 octane unleaded race gas costing $7 a gallon and a bottle of the castor (two bottles to five gallons) we mix with the gas also costing $7 each the per gallon cost of fuel to get us off the highway was almost $20! In case we had this same issue further on in the trip I took the opportunity to fill one of our gas jugs with 5 gallons of the "cheaper" premium pump gas. Since it was going to be a long weekend we stopped in Holbrook for the night before pushing on to Albuquerque the next morning to run test sessions that afternoon. The Club at Sandia that was organizing the event had never had karts run with them so they decided to have us run the shorter track layout. The Sandia track seems to have started life as a small banked oval track they had grew some lop-sided Mickey Mouse ears at each end. This means that the front and back straights of the oval serve to connect the two ends of the road course. Because of the banking of the oval you literally jump into and out of the oval across those transitions. Running the short version of the track meant that once the drivers jumped into the oval on the back straight they would continue around the oval back to the front straight and then jump out the other side. Taking this shorter route the 125 shifter karts were "only" doing 87-88 mph when they left the track surface (just before the braking zone). If they had run the full course and jumped into and out of the oval on the front straight they would have been doing at least 100 mph leaving the oval. Considerably more stopping power and time required to get around turn one onto the road course with very little run off room on the outside. The data trace for this section of track is kind of interesting. Just before the "jump" out of the oval Tyler hits 90 mph (at 54.484 seconds into the lap). 2 tenths of a second (54.607) later the data shows he is doing 99.2 mph and a hundredth of a second after that (54.698) he is back to 88.7 mph. You can certainly see that the kart is airborne for that fraction of a scond. Two and a half seconds after that he has braked down to 68.5 mph to enter Turn 1. The data acquisition on the kart showed that Tyler was hitting a good 2 G's going through the banked Turn 1 of the road course and a 5 second sustained 1.5 G load going through the banked portion of the oval. As the weekend progressed Tyler started to experiment with different approaches to the very fast Turn 1 and was soon driving it very differently then anyone else. Most were taking a classic stay wide and late apex the corner. Tyler on the other hand looked like he was giving a quick hard stab to the brake and downshifting just before the corner. This would upset the rear end of the kart and allowed him to rotate it through the corner and be back on the gas accelerating before the apex. The sound difference was pretty amazing. He was on the gas a full 20-30 feet before the other shifters were. The data showed that by the time he was hitting the highest G load into that corner (7 tenths of a second later) he had already accelerated to 72.8 mph which is 4 mph faster. Watching him I was thinking that this was going to kill the tires as the track surface was pretty abrasive. I could not see his line on most of the track so I don't know what he was doing there but whatever it was he was actually conserving the tires. I checked the tire temps of the other karts around us after the sessions and whereas their front and left rear tires were in the 130 degree range their right rear tires were in the 150's. Tyler on the other hand consistently came in with all four tires in the 130's. He did the four test sessions on Friday and the first practice on Saturday with the tires that were on the kart (for a total of seven heat cycles) before we put new tires on to finish out the weekend (five sessions) and he was not complaining of a lack of grip. For the race on Saturday Tyler had qualified third in the 125 shifters (this would be only his third race in this class) and he despite making a horrible start that saw him fall down the grid to sixth place by Turn 1 he managed to claw his way back up and finish the race in third. In doing so he had some great close wheel-to-wheel racing with William Herr and Mike Laycook. For Sunday's race we changed the gears to run the same ratio that the 1st, 2nd and 4th placed karts were running and Tyler qualified in second position. This time he did not muck up the start. However, on the exit of Turn 1 he did not give enough "racing room" to the kart on the outside in Pole position and forced that kart to the dirt on the outside. Fortunately that driver kept control and got it back on track after losing a few places. Karmic damage was done however and while Tyler did manage to take the lead and hold it for five laps he eventually lost the lead and trying to either make a low percentage move on the new leader or just trying a different line he hooked the left rear wheel off the track in a tight left hand corner and spun off. A kindly corner worker gave him a push and got him going again at least two laps down. However that Bad Karma was not through with him yet. Two laps later as he was coming through the tight banked right hand Turn 6 the left rear wheel sheared the studs off the hub (probably due to damage from the previous incident) and sent the tire bouncing across the in-field. Tyler managed to drive the now three-wheeled kart back to the pits. I think he got in enough laps for a finish so we will come away from that race with some points at least. I also got to meet up with fellow FOT (Friends of Triumph http://www.fot-racing.com/) driver Greg Hilyer and see him pedal his plum colored TR4 around the track in the Vintage group. All-in-all it was a good weekend. Of course the sticker on the back of my Porsche does say "A Bad Day at the Track beats a Good Day at the Office" There were a ton of photos taken that I posted up to our clubs website http://www.southwestkarters.com/ (but then broke the site working on it earlier today. Doh! It's not completely fixed yet but here is a link to the gallery. http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=51&lzkfile=SandiaAug07%2F This is a picture of Tyler going into Turn 1: http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=51&lzkfile=SandiaAug07%2FRSR_3299.jpg From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 21 23:35:48 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns In-Reply-To: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> References: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Message-ID: <20070822053816.QFJM11280.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I use one for Tire temps but Exhaust would probably be meaningless to use a gun since you would only be getting the temp of an exhaust pipe that would have significantly cooled down by the time you could pop the hood and get a reading. For example I just fired up my notebook to look at the data from our race two weekends ago at Sandia (howdy Greg!). Taking a snap shot of a section of track in the race (28.063 into the lap) the EGT was at 1,066 degrees. At 31.264 into that lap a downshift and lift off the gas for a corner brought the EGT down to 922 but at the end of the following straight (43.448) the EGT was back up to 1,108. We normally like to see a peak EGT around 1,150 - 1,200 but there was just no air to burn up there in Albuquerque and we were running the leanest jets we had. We use a probe to get EGT temps. Probably just pulling and reading the plugs would give you more info about Exhaust temp than using an infrared gun could. For tires it is certainly helpful. I use the gun to check our tires and the tires of the others around us. At 07:32 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote: >Amici >Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust >temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There >are some on ebay for $60 >geoff byrne >TR6 racer down under >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >dave at microworks.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 22 01:03:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Message-ID: I'm not sure they're worth much. I've got one, never use it. For sure they are quick and simple, but surface temperature isn't what you want with tires. for other stuff they might be OK, but I haven't found it imprtant. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Geoffrey Byrne Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 7:32 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Amici Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There are some on ebay for $60 geoff byrne TR6 racer down under billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 22 04:15:29 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 and Spit Message-ID: <001f01c7e4a5$5ea13b30$0401a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> You can crank n that extra negative camber. A set of extended bolt front suspension mounts are listed on ebay 280143567886. Ending in 15 hours. GT6Bob From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 06:57:00 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:57:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - After thoughts of a Spectator Message-ID: The family favorite was the replica of the fabulous Hudson Hornet - which I think was there only as a paddock exhibit. It turns out the car was used for sounds and illustration purposes in the production of the movie "Cars". Owner was wonderful with our children - we have pictures of all three children in the driver seat. One does not go the Monterey Historics with an expectation of seeing more than a token number, if any, Triumph race cars. My hat is off to the owner of the replica TR2 racecar on a great presentation. However, it struck me as rather ironic that the only Triumph bodied car accepted was that nicely prepared and presented replica of a famous TR2 racecar when there are a great selection of existing Triumph race cars with significant American racing histories. Overall, another great job by General Racing to put together a diverse and interesting array of cars. The spectator friendly layout of the paddock was especially appreciated after the going on a warm hiking expedition at Road America; plus each car had an explanation of its specifications and history. Add to that the Monterey aquarium, swimming pool, sandy beaches, etc. and you have kids who want to go again next year. Since my children do not like Brats; it will be sometime before I am going to even mention the possibility of another RA trip. Best wishes to all CP ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mattspit at att.net Wed Aug 22 07:02:31 2007 From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:02:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <082220071302.13621.46CC33E7000B92C80000353521612436469B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net> Worked fine for tires, be quick not tried on exhaust but worked fine on wheels, brakes etc/. Time is of the essence. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Geoffrey Byrne" > > Amici > Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust > temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There > are some on ebay for $60 > geoff byrne > TR6 racer down under > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > mattspit at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 22 07:19:53 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:19:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time, gkbyrne at optushome.com.au writes: > Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and > exhaust > temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. > There > are some on ebay for $60 > Geoff... My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by our garage door. I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Everything I've read suggests the probe type is more accurate for tires. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 07:29:47 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:29:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 8/22/2007 9:21:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Everything I've read suggests the probe type is more accurate for tires. Absolutely! Surface temp will get you in the "ballpark" but to get the true temp you have to stick them. Yeah it's a PITA... Glen ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 08:27:01 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <082220071427.29914.46CC47B50004A88E000074DA2200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: BillDentin at aol.com > My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works > slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past > week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by > our garage door. > > I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Especially for measuring passing round butt temps. ;-) From RYoung at navcomtech.com Wed Aug 22 10:20:54 2007 From: RYoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:20:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs In-Reply-To: <20070821002344.MLDR23432.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <20070822162021.WSRX19326.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. > These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. TRF has new ones listed, under P/N 502554 for the whole set. If you do buy them, would you let me know the free lengths, please ? Randall From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Aug 22 10:33:01 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: <082220071427.29914.46CC47B50004A88E000074DA2200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: They can be handy for diagnosing a weak cylinder, Take a reading off the individual exhaust runners on the header while the engine is running. Find one that is radically different than the others and bingo. Terry Stetler. From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 10:39:56 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment References: <64858040-8FB8-47ED-A349-4B054E5523D7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > Date: August 22, 2007 10:25:22 AM MDT > To: "David W. Riddle" > Cc: "wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" > , fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment > > Nice to meet you and Tyler and thanks for the Triumphfest poster > [have fun in Laughlin!]. Hope you had enough fun to come again. > Bring your TR3 next time! I hope to make one of your events over > the winter. > After her little off-track excursion earlier in the month, Connie > got back in the TR4 on Saturday and now has her competition > license. I drove it Sunday and after killing two tires in two > sessions, realized that something is amuck up front. Managed a 3rd > but was down nearly 2 seconds a lap. Along with a fix will > [finally] come some camber adjustment. Seems that most methods of > camber adjustment are carried out at the lower a-arm bracket but I > am thinking of slotting the top of the shock tower instead - > Thoughts or advice anyone? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:38 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > >> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from >> Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Aug 22 11:28:05 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. don at carterdesignassociates.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 22 11:34:49 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:34:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Temperature Probes Message-ID: In a message dated 08/22/2007 12:20:30 PM Central Daylight Time, WEmery7451 writes: > Did you probe the bypassing round Butts? > > You have no idea the preoccupation the FOT has with butts and probes. Nor did I. But to answer your question, Bob and I did talk about it. Problem is we're getting old and don't move as fast as we used to. We did invite one to our wine and cheese party, and she did show up. That's the good news. The bad news was the big dude she brought with her. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From RYoung at navcomtech.com Wed Aug 22 11:37:26 2007 From: RYoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <20070822173652.BAM20752.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has > already been talked about so much before. I wish I had > remembered what was said and the advice given at the > time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this > device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing > by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of > course causing a hard pull to the left. Guess it depends on what car we're talking about; but AFAIK the PDWA never limits or changes the flow of fluid, even when the piston is off to one side (activating the switch). One way to be sure would be to remove the piston, and reassemble with a pressure plug in place of the switch. Purely a temporary measure, as this will mean that any leak will totally disable the hydraulic brakes (effectively reverting to a single-circuit system), but at least then you could go on to find the real problem. > All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 > brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. Likely you know this, but TRF sells quart bottles for a reasonable price. Randall From herald948 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 12:33:55 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <8C9B30221AC7F84-7E0-7BCC@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Don Carter I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. ... ==AM== The PDWA won't do this; it is there simply to provide a mechanism to operate a warning lamp when there is a significant difference in pressure between the two circuits. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 22 12:50:58 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: Hi, If the front left is locking up, you either have a problem with the right caliper or there's a problem with the hydraulics going to the front right, e.g. you're not getting the same hydraulic pressure on both sides. There could also be a suspension problem that results in no or less weight transfer to the front left - and the wheel would lock because it's not loaded, but that would or should also result in very strange handling. Another possible problem would be a warped or cracked front left rotor, but this should also result in pulses in the brake pedal. I seriously doubt that the PDWA could cause one side of the car to lock before the other. If you look at the circuit, it's M/C to PDWA and then PDWA to either the front or the rear. There's nothing there to effect side-to-side haydraulics. I'd verify that both right front caliper pistons move and then go from there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 12:52:15 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment In-Reply-To: <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> References: <64858040-8FB8-47ED-A349-4B054E5523D7@earthlink.net> <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708221152p79bcaab1v457784d1ddd3ced6@mail.gmail.com> Greg, I changed the holes where the upper ball joint attaches to the arms -- moved them in a quarter inch, got lots of camber. Needed to do this because previous owner had welded in the lower brackets. My fix works fine, but the inner hole is a little sloppy as it is on the diagonal surface of the a-arm. On 8/22/07, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > > Date: August 22, 2007 10:25:22 AM MDT > > To: "David W. Riddle" > > Cc: "wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" > > , fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment > > > > Nice to meet you and Tyler and thanks for the Triumphfest poster > > [have fun in Laughlin!]. Hope you had enough fun to come again. > > Bring your TR3 next time! I hope to make one of your events over > > the winter. > > After her little off-track excursion earlier in the month, Connie > > got back in the TR4 on Saturday and now has her competition > > license. I drove it Sunday and after killing two tires in two > > sessions, realized that something is amuck up front. Managed a 3rd > > but was down nearly 2 seconds a lap. Along with a fix will > > [finally] come some camber adjustment. Seems that most methods of > > camber adjustment are carried out at the lower a-arm bracket but I > > am thinking of slotting the top of the shock tower instead - > > Thoughts or advice anyone? > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:38 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > >> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from > >> Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 13:24:50 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: Hi Don, My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? My next suggestion would be to replace the PDWA with a T-junction and a proportioning valve. Shane Ingate PS Getting quotes for an enclosed truck to move Rags from MD to NM. $2,000, yowee! :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Carter asked: I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 22 14:45:18 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: <9682380.4480731187815518213.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Just a thought. Some years ago I had a '55 Chevy wagon that I converted to disc brakes. About a year after the conversion it developed a severe pull to the left. After much effort liberally sprinkled with four letter words, I discovered that the flexible brake hose to the right caliper had failed internally, restricting flow to that caliper. The hose was a name brand and less than two years old. Replaced hose (actually both just to be safe!) and problem solved. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: Don Carter >Date: 2007/08/22 Wed PM 12:28:05 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block >I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked >about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice >given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this >device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front >to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the >left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR >buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of >you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this >problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and >some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will >help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to >do this many more times. > >don at carterdesignassociates.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 16:33:40 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] watkins glen References: <5773493.21195831187746605390.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7e50c$7d822d40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> thanks, but we have a great adventure planned. Labor day weekend at Lime Rock, then up to Mt Equinox, then Vermonts Green Mountains, then into NY to Lake George, then the Adirondacks and Lake Placid, then the Seaways Trail along the St. Lawrence and finally to Watkins Glen for the races the next weekend - in our TRs. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stutzman" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] watkins glen >I have extra crew passes but they are for Roebling Road...I will be there >along with Leo, and Don at the VDCA event. Come on down for some Fun. >Triumph Fat Bastard supper included. > > Dean > > > > >>From: Stutzman >>Date: 2007/08/21 Tue PM 08:11:18 CDT >>To: fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Fot] watkins glen > >>who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go >>to >>waste if you didn't give them to us? >>Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>tr3a58 at verizon.net >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 22 18:35:27 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:35:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day Message-ID: <20070822.203527.5638.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> I will be racing in the Longest Day, 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges this weekend. I will be one of 6 drivers in the Team Rhino Miata ( I know it's not a TR, but at least it is a 2 seat sports car). If any listers are going to be at the track, look me up. Joe(B) Mail! http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130420-251 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:37:56 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:37:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there > is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water. You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 22 21:32:24 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:32:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <46CCFFC8.9010806@bradakis.com> >I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked >about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice >given at the time > For those of you not familiar with the various Team.Net services provided, check out http://www.team.net/archive for past discussions on the various lists I mismanage. mjb. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 00:21:36 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:21:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <003201c7e54d$de92e5c0$6402a8c0@HOME> Depending on the beam spread if the sensor (not the laser) the distance is important to estimate the correct heat of the object. If the round butts are more than 1meter away I really question the value you've estimated. ;-) I use a very small one that is as big as a 1 silver dollar coin. I have it in my racing suit pocket so I can jump out of the car and take tire temperatures. 3 values each tire. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:36 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:27:09 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: BillDentin at aol.com > My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works > slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past > week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by > our garage door. > > I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Especially for measuring passing round butt temps. ;-) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 00:23:26 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:23:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs Message-ID: <003701c7e54e$1d5e5640$6402a8c0@HOME> I've shortend the springs about 1" and replaced the cut off piece with a spacer. Did rise the pressure a lot and the down shift is much faster and harder. Only for racing purpose. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] overdrive springs Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:20:27 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:20:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfjiYiCYKO8E8i2SWWmog90OfdkuQBTqRJw Subject: Re: [Fot] overdrive springs X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: > I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. > These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. TRF has new ones listed, under P/N 502554 for the whole set. If you do buy them, would you let me know the free lengths, please ? Randall _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 07:06:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed Message-ID: FoT, I broke my pipe, Anybody got a spare? Engine filter base to Oil Pressure....I have the flex hose. Lot's of trading stock here to reciprocate...... Need ASAP. Thanks, Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 23 07:57:46 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:57:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 08/23/2007 1:21:34 AM Central Daylight Time, chris at tr4-racing.de writes: > <<< Depending on the beam spread if the sensor (not the laser) the > distance is > important to estimate the correct heat of the object. > If the round butts are more than 1meter away I really question the value > you've estimated. ;-) >>> > Christ...for round butt testing, our Plan A is the results of our visual inspection. > We then go to the pyrometer for fine tuning the results and ties. > > <<< I use a very small one that is as big as a 1 silver dollar coin. I have > it in > my racing suit pocket so I can jump out of the car and take tire > temperatures. > 3 values each tire. >>> > Us too. When we do it, we try to avoid a cool down lap, and we come in HOT, prior to the end of the session. We take readings in the Hot Pits. Works best with two crew members (one for pressures, one for temperatures) and the driver taking notes. I am not sure how effective our efforts are, but I'll tell you what...we look great doing it. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 08:19:40 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:19:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack's Con-Rod Conversion for TR3/TR4-1st use report-short Message-ID: FoT, The lightweight performance con-rods from Uncle Jack went through one strenuous race weekend, including an Enduro. Normally, I mostly use modified stock TR parts, but this was intriguing to me. Outcome: Successful!!!! No unusual wear pattern with narrower big end. FoT Chris German did this first and had the same experience. Lighter Weight than Stock Lower cost than Carillo Designed for high HP Low Cost Clevite 77 Bearing Shells ($12.50 per four) Required special spacers at the small end to centralize Required adjustment in Oil Pressure to get back to Spec at gage. Required different grind on journals....needed grind anyway. I think the spacers could be made of Nylatron and supplied to a nominal size and cut, by user, to suit various Piston Configurations. My Opinion. Certainly seems worth considering. The AMBRO will get them, eventually. Joe A TR4 #197 I am sure I am missing a couple items here, but clearly it can be done. I will continue to monitor the results with great optimism. From don at carterdesignassociates.com Thu Aug 23 09:46:32 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> Thanks Greg. You're not the first to suggest that Dot 5 may be the problem. I've used it for years because the car sits-up without running much most of the year. I will use it one or twice each month. Glycol based fluid (Dot 4) just caused me so much trouble with eating up Master cylinder, brake cylinder, and slave unit seals, not to mention the paint surrounding the master cylinders after it ruins seals when the cars sit for two weeks at a time without running. If this cause turns out to be the silicone fluid, I would really be surprised, but as I've said I'm almost ready to try anything. I'll try another weekend of test and let you know. I do know the PDWA is not in backwards. Thanks again. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:38 PM To: Shane Ingate; don at carterdesignassociates.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA block > My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there > is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water. You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 10:11:19 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: When I rebuilt the Greenman (My departed TR4), I went with Dot 5. I was more worried about the caustic effects of Glycol on automotive enamel. By some accounts Dot 5 causes swelling of the rubber parts. I didn't observe anything like that in the 18 years I owned the car. The only brake issue I did have was finding out I had installed the PDWA valve backwards. Otherwise Dot 5 worked just fine. I did flush the system yearly though, which is what they advise you to to with Glycol brake fluids too. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: don at carterdesignassociates.comTo: greenman62 at hotmail.com; hottr6 at hotmail.comCC: fot at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA blockDate: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:32 -0500 Thanks Greg. You're not the first to suggest that Dot 5 may be the problem. I've used it for years because the car sits-up without running much most of the year. I will use it one or twice each month. Glycol based fluid (Dot 4) just caused me so much trouble with eating up Master cylinder, brake cylinder, and slave unit seals, not to mention the paint surrounding the master cylinders after it ruins seals when the cars sit for two weeks at a time without running. If this cause turns out to be the silicone fluid, I would really be surprised, but as I've said I'm almost ready to try anything. I'll try another weekend of test and let you know. I do know the PDWA is not in backwards. Thanks again. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message-----From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:38 PMTo: Shane Ingate; don at carterdesignassociates.comCc: fot at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA block> My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there> is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier?Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water.You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know)Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 10:26:42 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:26:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: Message-ID: <002101c7e5a2$64558f60$6402a8c0@HOME> > ........ but I'll tell you what...we look great doing it. That's what it is all about :-)) From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 14:57:44 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:57:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed Message-ID: <32941627.4611691187902664473.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Joe; I have three of these on the shelf if you don't have another offer yet. Send me your address if you still need one. Dean T. >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Date: 2007/08/23 Thu AM 08:06:20 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed >FoT, > >I broke my pipe, Anybody got a spare? > >Engine filter base to Oil Pressure....I have the flex hose. > >Lot's of trading stock here to reciprocate...... > >Need ASAP. > >Thanks, Joe Alexander >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 15:08:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:08:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Banjo Fittting and World's Fastest Golf Car Message-ID: Have needed Banjo Fitting Coming. Thanks for all of the responses. FoT Rocks! Whilst at the NAPA Store....expecting to order 'seldom used' NGKs for my TR4 Application. I expected to order but they had plenty on the shelf. It seems there is huge demand for these NGKs, as they are frequently used on GOLF CARS. Now I am on my third set of NGKs in 16 years and, more importantly, I can give back the set I borrowed from Tony Drews. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 16:05:29 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Part search Message-ID: <13077777.10744291187906729512.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Would anybody on the FOT have a Stag Distributor they could part with. I need a housing as the hold down ears got broken on mine. I need a dual point MKII type, used on 72-73 years. Thanks; Dean T. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 23 20:36:55 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire Message-ID: Amici, I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone have any recommendations for jets and air correctors? Right now it's got 140 jets and 170 main air corrector and 160 secondary air corrector. Anyone have any suggestions? I will have the car on the chassis dyno for the next two weekends trying to figure a couple problems out (one is losing spark to #1 under load) the other is making HP at too low an RPM. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 23 22:02:49 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:02:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire withdrawals, I really need to get one back on the road for the upcoming fall season here in the mountains of Utah. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 23 22:48:45 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Let me add to mark's comment. Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different from the design of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have a dual Weber DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer than the inside two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with a single carb. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire withdrawals, I really need to get one back on the road for the upcoming fall season here in the mountains of Utah. mjb. spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Fri Aug 24 03:49:06 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. Currently that rule is: 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > Let me add to mark's comment. > > Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different > from the design > of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have > a dual Weber > DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. > > With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer > than the inside > two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with > a single > carb. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Mark J. > Bradakis > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > > >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > > > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted > manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! > > Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire > withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the > upcoming fall season > here in the mountains of Utah. > > mjb. > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Aug 24 07:42:57 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Since you put it "that way" (limited by rules)... Seeing that you have a DGV, I don't think you should need to buy 50 jets. You should do a plug cut with what you have and then go two sizes richer / leaner with the mains if you're off. If those go the other way (too rich or too lean), back off one size on your mains. That's pretty standard Weber tuning. I don't know squat about DGV's, so I can't help you on basic numbers, but the Des Hammil Weber book has some charts that seem to be very good starting points. The jets that you have sound reasonable for a 1500. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Fri Aug 24 08:20:45 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:20:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <000f01c7e659$f6275880$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Good Point (about the rules, that is). The DGV has similar issues with runner length as does the single DCOE. You might find that because of the much better design of the stock intake manifold that the single ZS carb is much better for the application. Judging by what KAZ was able to accomplish using two 1.25" SU's I would say that it is very likely that you can get the ZS to work as well if not better than the DGV. It is much simpler and you certainly won't have to buy a ton of brass parts to tune it. Do they allow the Europen twin SU setup? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Mark J. Bradakis' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. Currently that rule is: 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > Let me add to mark's comment. > > Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different > from the design > of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have > a dual Weber > DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. > > With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer > than the inside > two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with > a single > carb. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Mark J. > Bradakis > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > > >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > > > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted > manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! > > Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire > withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the > upcoming fall season > here in the mountains of Utah. > > mjb. > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 24 13:43:58 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:43:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com><001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <008501c7e687$1d2f6fd0$5717c548@RW> One thing that works reasonable well in dyno tuning is to use a oxy/ac torch tip cleaning kit to increase the size of the jets a tad at a time. I've done this with quite good success. The tool is dirt cheap to buy and by using a mic to check the size of each cleaner you have a close idea the increase and you can use (or ruin) only a single jet for several runs. My tool made by Murex has 12 cleaners ranging from .017", 020",.023",.026",.030",.034" etc. You can use number drill to get the same use of a single jet. In the end I had a genuine Weber jet drill set but I doubt you can find one these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Curry" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the > benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say > just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure > of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. > > Currently that rule is: > 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are > currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the > Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy > 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. > > aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > >> Let me add to mark's comment. >> >> Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different >> from the design >> of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have >> a dual Weber >> DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. >> >> With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer >> than the inside >> two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with >> a single >> carb. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Mark J. >> Bradakis >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >> >> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... >> > >> >Anyone have any suggestions? >> > >> > >> >> My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted >> manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire >> withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the >> upcoming fall season >> here in the mountains of Utah. >> >> mjb. >> spitlist at cox.net >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> fpspitfire at insightbb.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Aug 24 14:30:44 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves Message-ID: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 24 15:44:52 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:44:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com><001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> <008501c7e687$1d2f6fd0$5717c548@RW> Message-ID: I used jeweler's broaches to do the same thing. They leave a smooth finish on the inside of the jet, which is important, and if you use a size that fits roughly halfway through the jet before reaming, they have minimal taper. the problem of course is that you wind up with mislabled jets that you must be careful with. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 12:43 PM To: fpspitfire at insightbb.com; Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire One thing that works reasonable well in dyno tuning is to use a oxy/ac torch tip cleaning kit to increase the size of the jets a tad at a time. I've done this with quite good success. The tool is dirt cheap to buy and by using a mic to check the size of each cleaner you have a close idea the increase and you can use (or ruin) only a single jet for several runs. My tool made by Murex has 12 cleaners ranging from .017", 020",.023",.026",.030",.034" etc. You can use number drill to get the same use of a single jet. In the end I had a genuine Weber jet drill set but I doubt you can find one these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Curry" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the > benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say > just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure > of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. > > Currently that rule is: > 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are > currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the > Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy > 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. > > aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > >> Let me add to mark's comment. >> >> Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different >> from the design >> of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have >> a dual Weber >> DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. >> >> With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer >> than the inside >> two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with >> a single >> carb. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Mark J. >> Bradakis >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >> >> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... >> > >> >Anyone have any suggestions? >> > >> > >> >> My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted >> manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire >> withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the >> upcoming fall season >> here in the mountains of Utah. >> >> mjb. >> spitlist at cox.net >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> fpspitfire at insightbb.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 24 15:48:11 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I use .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 24 16:08:21 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <012201c7e69b$487d2970$5717c548@RW> I think probably .015" clearance is s good number to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves > If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I > use > .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves > > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Aug 24 17:23:02 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:23:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves In-Reply-To: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <36a7e80d1f191a1806d7abd3fde7bea9@wi.rr.com> Jim, If I'm reading my cam spec sheet correctly, I'm running 254 degrees of duration. Valve lash is currently .016" for exhaust and .015" for intake. When I first installed the cam, it was recommended that I run .022" exhaust and .020" for intake but the valve stem ends began to show severe wear. Hope this helps. Allen On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:30 PM, jim hearn wrote: > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need > other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what > the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a > short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general > settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > awashatko at wi.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com Fri Aug 24 17:32:04 2007 From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:32:04 +1000 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods Message-ID: <000701c7e6a6$fa6ac790$0301010a@purplebox> Has anyone tried alternative conrods in 6 cyl engines to get weight down??. We have successfully used Mitsubishi 4G32 rods in a 2000 engine and are currently looking at a 2500. Years ago we did 2 race engines with custom made carillos, but the price was just stupid. Thanks. Terry O'Beirne From budscars at msn.com Fri Aug 24 18:15:36 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:15:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] vintage race car wanted Message-ID: <014001c7e6ad$120e3480$1683b304@Bud> vintage race car wanted probably sprite/midget, please contact Scott Brown at scott at vintage31.com It's for a friend of his who wants to get started in vintage Thanks Racer Bud From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Aug 24 18:32:27 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:32:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> <012201c7e69b$487d2970$5717c548@RW> Message-ID: Talk to APT... Kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: Bill Babcock ; jim hearn ; FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves I think probably .015" clearance is s good number to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "jim hearn" >; > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves > If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I > use > .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves > > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Aug 24 19:38:13 2007 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves In-Reply-To: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46CF8805.3080800@verizon.net> Jim, Valve clearance is quite specific to the cam profile and should be set per the manufacturer's recommendation. Cams are generally ground with a gentle ramp at the opening and closing ends of the lobe to take up the clearance at a fairly low velocity then once the clearance is taken up the velocity ramps up quickly. Setting the clearance too low causes the valve to crack open way early and close late resulting in loss of low end. Setting the clearance too high causes the rocker to hit the valve stem at high velocity causing noise and potential wear. If you don't have specs for your cam you may be able to get a pretty good idea of the correct clearance by charting the lift at the beginning of the lobe. Put a degree wheel on the crank and a dial indicator on a push rod. Zero the indicator on the cam base circle then turn one degree at a time and record the lift at each degree. You should see a point at which the lift starts to change much more rapidly. It will help the plot the lift on a chart. Excel works great. If you don't want to go to all the work of a degree wheel and a chart, you should be able to see the transition point just by watching the dial indicator while you slowly and steadily turn the crank. If the indicator moves slowly up to .010" then starts to move much more quickly then .010" would be a good number for your cam clearance. Take that times your rocker ratio and you have your valve clearance. Valve clearance recommendations for a given cam are based on the clearance desired at the cam times an assumed rocker ratio. Cam manufacturers often use a nominal rocker ratio of 1.50:1 for the calculation. If you are using a different rocker ratio then you should change the valve clearance to maintain the correct clearance at the cam. For instance, if a manufacturer recommends .015" at the valve using a 1.50:1 rocker they are looking for .010" at the cam. If you are running 1.65:1 rockers your clearance should be .0165" to maintain .010" at the cam. Richard Good Good Parts jim hearn wrote: >It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other >than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the >cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short >time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily >tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings >and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Aug 24 21:56:16 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:56:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] vintage race car wanted Message-ID: No financial interest, other than that owner Hayes Harris is a friend and a customer of the magazine, but he has a decent looking TR4 vintage racer for sale on his website. www.wirewheel.com Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 vintage race car wanted probably sprite/midget, please contact Scott Brown at scott at vintage31.com It's for a friend of his who wants to get started in vintage Thanks Racer Bud ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 24 23:35:22 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charrly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods References: <000701c7e6a6$fa6ac790$0301010a@purplebox> Message-ID: <01c601c7e6d9$c2445ba0$3b00000a@CHARLY> Aren't TR6 2.5 rods and GT6 or saloon 2.0 rods the same? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry and Cindy" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods > Has anyone tried alternative conrods in 6 cyl engines to get weight > down??. We have successfully used Mitsubishi 4G32 rods in a 2000 engine > and are currently looking at a 2500. Years ago we did 2 race engines > with custom made carillos, but the price was just stupid. Thanks. > > Terry O'Beirne > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 25 12:04:56 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Henry Morrison Message-ID: <200708251805.l7PI56n4113757@ns3.geneseo.net> Does anyone have a good current email address for Henry Morrison? I've tried his old one and get bounced. Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 25 13:30:30 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:30:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Message-ID: Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jsnook at wcnet.org Sat Aug 25 13:54:16 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out References: Message-ID: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Congratulations Tony! Great race and great magazine photo!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; vinttr4 at geneseo.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 25 14:49:47 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:49:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out In-Reply-To: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <20070825205034.7D7781879DD@autox.team.net> Thanks! I'm honored. - Tony At 02:54 PM 8/25/2007, Jeff Snook wrote: Congratulations Tony! Great race and great magazine photo!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; vinttr4 at geneseo.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Sat Aug 25 16:59:11 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:59:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: <20070825230849.GUGJ13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> >Check this out! > >Bay item # 220143217717 > >Good luck, > >Jim From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 25 20:42:17 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:42:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: it's Gawdawful. > >Check this out! > > > >Bay item # 220143217717 > > > >Good luck, > > > >Jim > From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Aug 25 20:49:21 2007 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3188726B-C6D5-4195-A227-CC7872A3C748@charter.net> And here I was going to rip the body off my TR3 and have a beautiful Devin bodied car. It would only need 50# of bondo. On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:42 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > it's Gawdawful. > > > >>> Check this out! >>> >>> Bay item # 220143217717 >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Jim >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > jerrybarr at charter.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Aug 26 04:45:36 2007 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:45:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay References: <20070825230849.GUGJ13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7e7ce$3c362890$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Great project to get replicated in alloy ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > >Check this out! >> >>Bay item # 220143217717 >> >>Good luck, >> >>Jim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > tr4.tony at virgin.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 26 08:35:40 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, so far. 1974 TVR 2500M historic race car $11,000.00 See description 12 adepaso(4) From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sun Aug 26 09:06:24 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] eBay-Buyers beware! References: Message-ID: <004701c7e7f2$acc45b80$03fea8c0@remsec1> It's been my finding of late Ebay listings are more deceptive than ever before, no reference to this recent thread. I won two auctions in the recent past where the goods were paid for but never delivered. Contacting Ebay got a pleasant canned message from someone in Pakistan or where-ever their "non-support" is done today. Fortunately I used a credit card and put the onus on them to pull the funds, which they eventually did after much ceremony. Ebay is not the medium for commerce it was three years ago. I had another lister admit he had "thrown a few bids" at his own item just to get things rolling. Listing anything of value for sale on the other hand seemingly assures you of getting at least one attempt at a scam, usually foreign nationals sending fraudulent counterfeit money orders and having some tale of commissions needing to be sent; dead uncles; being servants for rich potentates, etc.. Its gotten pretty bizarre. I listed a bulldozer recently(I know its not a TR but it never lifted in the corners either) and got three offers from out of the country with some scam attached. I am sure there is a high demand in Nigeria for 50 year old Cletrac dozers! One thing is guaranteed, Ebay always takes their cut regardless of outcome. If a listing sounds too good to be true it usually is. Always ask what was left out of an offering. The internet makes it way too easy for fraud to happen. I step down from the soapbox. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 (rebuild in progress) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, > so > far. > > > WIDTH="64" HEIGHT="45" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1911"> > HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017">1974 > TVR 2500M historic race car > > > > > $11,000.00 > See description > HREF="http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN">12 > adepaso SRC="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="1" > BORDER="0" DATASIZE="49">( HREF="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=adepaso&item=270156089863&iid=270156089863&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:SFS">4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rem9 at frontiernet.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com Sun Aug 26 15:53:54 2007 From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:53:54 +1000 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods In-Reply-To: <01c601c7e6d9$c2445ba0$3b00000a@CHARLY> Message-ID: <000601c7e82b$988b1d00$0301010a@purplebox> To clarify matters... The early GT6 rod is much wider at the big-end than the 2500 rod. Post 67, the rods all became the same. Sometime about 72, the 2500 rods changed to have a hole in them above a big-end bolt, but I've never seen that on a 2000 engine I used 4G32 rods on a 2000 race engine because I wanted a longer rod and shorter pin height piston. I'm now chasing a sensibly priced replacement rod for the 2500. I can get them made locally if I have to. Terry O'Beirne From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Aug 26 16:17:40 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Champcars at Zolder Message-ID: <001e01c7e82e$f0bdaad0$6402a8c0@HOME> I've watched the Champ Car race today at Zolder. At TV the track looks quite impressive. When I drove there by myself I wasn't that impressed. Slow corners, short straights.....but again the Champ cas were great to watch! Good night Chris From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 26 16:18:43 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay References: Message-ID: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> It looks like a good value but you will need a friendly racing organization to allow you to race. According to my PCS the SCCA only homologated the 4 cylinder versions and as a 1974 it won't pass muster on that front either with most clubs. My club, CVAR has one (John Price) that is grandfathered in because it has been in the club for quite a few years. Maybe the CA clubs aren't as open minded, thus the price? Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, > so > far. > > > WIDTH="64" HEIGHT="45" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1911"> > HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017">1974 > TVR 2500M historic race car > > > > > $11,000.00 > See description > HREF="http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN">12 > adepaso SRC="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="1" > BORDER="0" DATASIZE="49">( HREF="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=adepaso&item=270156089863&iid=270156089863&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:SFS">4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Aug 27 06:31:11 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] small end bushings for Carillos Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A4CFE1C@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Does anyone know where we can get small end bushes for TR4 Carillos? I'm hoping they are readily available. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 27 08:45:43 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In-Reply-To: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, BOB KRAMER wrote: > It looks like a good value but you will need a friendly racing organization > to allow you to race. According to my PCS the SCCA only homologated the 4 > cylinder versions and as a 1974 it won't pass muster on that front either > with most clubs. My club, CVAR has one (John Price) that is grandfathered in > because it has been in the club for quite a few years. Maybe the CA clubs > aren't as open minded, thus the price? TVRs are really tough to get into most racing organizations. On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners. Right Mr Rock? :-) > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Regards, rml p.s. I think 2500's are pretty kool cars. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 09:27:18 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:27:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners hey... what you call us...? Glen #2424T hybrid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Aug 27 10:03:19 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] good day !! Message-ID: Coincidentally, I heard Paul Harvey end his program with a Ron Dentinger funny this morning. good timing... Kev Lynch From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 27 10:27:21 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) References: Message-ID: I resemble that remark! Terry Stetler Former Vixen 2500 (early series) owner... ----- Original Message ----- From: Fubog1 at aol.com To: lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners hey... what you call us...? Glen #2424T hybrid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Aug 27 12:32:43 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Diffs Message-ID: <000801c7e8d8$a8fcaca0$88158304@your55e5f9e3d2> Who does a good job of rebuilding TR6 Diff for sale exchange? art d From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 12:39:51 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) Message-ID: Bob Lang wrote: >On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph >owners. I spend a lot of time hanging out with TVR owners here in Maryland, which is probably TVR Central in the US. They are a great bunch of guys because they resemble the Pantera owners I hung out with when I had the Big Cat on the track. (Classic) TVR owners see the engine bay as being right for ANY sort of transplant, and certainly small-block Ford crate motors are a great match and lighter than the boat anchor in TR6s and the wretched Essex V6. They have a great "can-do" attitude and though they will constantly deride the build quality of the cars, are ferociously loyal. One of my mates, Lenny Renkenberger, has the parts to build a widened TVR Vixen with a blown and sprayed 427. His goal is to reply to questions of "What will it do?" is to say "I'm too scared to find out". This from a man who was a pro drag-bike racer running in the 8s. The only problem with TVR owners is that they are always covered in fiberglass dust; they make me itch just looking at them. Shane Ingate PS I'm shipping Rags to NM with Intercity. I took a picture of it ready to roll, and you can see it at http://hottr6.blogspot.com/. And yes, it is sitting high on the short springs (due to me casting off nearly 400 lbs) and the rear camber needs to be set. _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 From rikrock at aol.com Mon Aug 27 13:23:18 2007 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9B6F6DB72030A-7E4-E20@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> Bob Lang wrote: >On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph >owners. They seem pretty normal to me ;-) Rich Rock ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 27 17:23:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:23:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: I just got my Vintage Motorsports. Killer picture of Tony....and if you look with magnifying glass you can a lot of the rest of the gang on the next page. Tony's Tech: Obviously, Tech Inspection missed the fact that those absolutely stunning P-700 Lucas Tri-Pod Headlamps are not covered with tape. I cant believe that Jack W missed that. This was a good weekend....thanks to all who participated, especially Kas & Peg. Regards, Joe A From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 27 18:24:58 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 rear whel camber for autox Message-ID: <000801c7e909$de2ff1d0$4a7aac43@computer> For autocrossing a TR6, if 3 degrees negative camber is a good place to start on the front wheels using radials, what is a good start on the rear wheels? Is it the stock negative one degree? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 20:41:45 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine Message-ID: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I echo Joe's remark. Great action shot Tony! You may race the rest of your life and never get exposure like that again. And if I recall it was a totally great weekend for you and most all other FOTers. Those "Alexander Headlamp Covers" really jump out at you. By the way Tony, if you are interested in copies or enlargements of that picture, read the editors answer to 15 Minutes of Fame. Ken Suhre ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 20:45:34 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine Message-ID: <559160.57721.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, left off the page number for 15 Minutes of Fame. See page 12. Ken ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 28 11:39:56 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:39:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry Message-ID: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> This is a commercial message to let you know that I am planning to make another run of the camshafts that I designed for the TR4. This cam is currently running in three racing TRs, our TR3 (since fall 2005), Uncle Jack's TR4 (since spring 2006) and Tony Drew's TR4 (since spring 2007). We have all been very happy with the performance of the cam. You may recall Tony's post after the MOTRAH event (http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2007-05/msg00330.html). The cam has 298 degrees duration seat-to-seat, 251 degrees at 0.050, and 0.376 cam lift. Lobe separation is 108 degrees. It produces good power in the 4000 to 6500 RPM range. Tony and Jack's dyno runs showed peak horsepower at about 6000 RPM. I think it is the good low end power that enhances driveability with this cam. If you want to spin your engine to 7000, it is probably not the cam for you. If you are interested, the cost is $400 each and you must furnish a stock cam as a core. I know this is high for a reground cam, but believe me, most is going to the cam grinder, who does top quality work. Please let me know off list, if you're interested in one of these cams. I can also furnish additional technical information if you need it. Larry Young From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 12:23:13 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:23:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 rear whel camber for autox Message-ID: I run -1 deg front, and -2 deg rear. Front and rear toe set to 1/8. Use factory castor ot both ends. Shane >For autocrossing a TR6, if 3 degrees negative camber is a good place to >start on the front wheels using radials, what is a good start on the rear >wheels? Is it the stock negative one degree? Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 28 14:47:27 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry In-Reply-To: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> References: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5762EA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Larry, Are you coming to TWS? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:40 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry This is a commercial message to let you know that I am planning to make another run of the camshafts that I designed for the TR4. This cam is currently running in three racing TRs, our TR3 (since fall 2005), Uncle Jack's TR4 (since spring 2006) and Tony Drew's TR4 (since spring 2007). We have all been very happy with the performance of the cam. You may recall Tony's post after the MOTRAH event (http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2007-05/msg00330.html). The cam has 298 degrees duration seat-to-seat, 251 degrees at 0.050, and 0.376 cam lift. Lobe separation is 108 degrees. It produces good power in the 4000 to 6500 RPM range. Tony and Jack's dyno runs showed peak horsepower at about 6000 RPM. I think it is the good low end power that enhances driveability with this cam. If you want to spin your engine to 7000, it is probably not the cam for you. If you are interested, the cost is $400 each and you must furnish a stock cam as a core. I know this is high for a reground cam, but believe me, most is going to the cam grinder, who does top quality work. Please let me know off list, if you're interested in one of these cams. I can also furnish additional technical information if you need it. Larry Young rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 28 16:54:12 2007 From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: <082820072254.22612.46D4A794000B4AA3000058542158766720990E04D2069D@att.net> I'm sure he was using the scotchbrand invisable tape that is so popular. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > I just got my Vintage Motorsports. Killer picture of Tony....and if you look > with magnifying glass you can a lot of the rest of the gang on the next page. > > Tony's Tech: Obviously, Tech Inspection missed the fact that those > absolutely stunning P-700 Lucas Tri-Pod Headlamps are not covered with tape. I > cant > believe that Jack W missed that. > > This was a good weekend....thanks to all who participated, especially Kas & > Peg. > > Regards, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > westerneagleracing at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:56:27 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:56:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2007 6:54:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net writes: I > cant > believe that Jack W missed that. I have people for that. However, we are also able to detect real from fake. jw ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Aug 28 21:24:53 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amphicar video Message-ID: Not a racer, but an interesting bit of video given the Amphicar is powered by a Triumph Herald engine. Check out: http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/videos/OCW/ocw_tv.asp Cheers, Bill Sohl From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 28 22:00:10 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:00:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 23:49:50 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil Message-ID: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Wed Aug 29 02:22:32 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: <698094.11319.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, I have a TR2 and a TR3 using 89mm bores proved to be very reliable and drivable. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark J. Bradakis To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2007 2:00:10 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Feel safe with award winning spam protection on Yahoo!7 Mail. http://mail.yahoo.com.au From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Aug 29 05:31:25 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <608607.2353.qm@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark: I've done customer cars with 89 mm sets from Ken G. With a lightened flywheel from Joe A. or an aluminum flywheel from Ted S. both proved to be great street cars. They just plain PULL! Both cars outperform another customers TR4 I did with 87's and a Judson. Embarrassing for the TR4 owner and a lot less hassle for installation. -ED- "Mark J. Bradakis" wrote: So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Wed Aug 29 10:29:23 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil In-Reply-To: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> References: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> Message-ID: <8C9B870E4AA8A9D-DD4-45B@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> I've always used 85W90 synthetic blend.? 145 may be too thick, but I have no direct experience with the heaver grade. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Differential oil I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 29 10:38:10 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:38:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wanting to contact Steve Smith Message-ID: <20070829164048.UFAQ5837.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Steve could you contact me directly. Thanks! From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:05:32 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? References: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From earthron at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:18:29 2007 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Message-ID: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:40:33 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limerock References: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: To any FOTers coming to Limerock. Please be sure to drop by and say Hi. Unless the enforcement toughens up we'll have ample adult beverages. We're a bit hard to miss--the big Airstream and the ugly car right at the bottom of the paddock road. From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:40:59 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Might be hard to get clutches for -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ron Jones Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:53:29 2007 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Prepped Crank Message-ID: <463288.65092.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Any one have an 1147 race prepped "STD" (not cut) crank sitting around collecting dust? Mine is in 2 pieces. Also looking for "lightened" 1147 standard connecting rods Thanks Jay --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Aug 29 14:00:06 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:00:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A576FEF@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Isn't that a Detroit locker missing some parts? Might be a good piece for me to have for spare parts. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Jones Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 29 14:02:30 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008a01c7ea77$881035c0$0401a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Looks like a Detroit Locker to me. Not what you would call a true limited slip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Ron Jones" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL > Might be hard to get clutches for > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ron Jones > Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:18 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL > > Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay > item > 330158694908. > > Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 > and > 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat > 70's. > > Curently ay 113.50 > > Ron > '63 TR4 Race Car > '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Aug 29 14:02:31 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Prepped Crank Message-ID: Contact Joe Siam. I believe he's at JSiam1 at earthlink.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Aug 29 17:52:53 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine In-Reply-To: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12c811f99011d1131c69cd972e057a6d@wi.rr.com> FoT, I talked with Scott Paceley who shot and wrote the article. Digital photo prints are available at $16 for a 5x7, $20 for an 8x10, $34 for an 11x17, etc. He can be contacted at 217.356.0810 or . He will also be at the VSCDA Fall Festival at RA. Allen On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > I echo Joe's remark. Great action shot Tony! You may > race the rest of your life and never get exposure like > that again. And if I recall it was a totally great > weekend for you and most all other FOTers. Those > "Alexander Headlamp Covers" really jump out at you. > > By the way Tony, if you are interested in copies or > enlargements of that picture, read the editors answer > to 15 Minutes of Fame. > > Ken Suhre > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > awashatko at wi.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From adcronin at ameritech.net Wed Aug 29 17:56:17 2007 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot adcronin at ameritech.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 29 18:10:29 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:10:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. Tim Murphy #317 TR-4 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 29 18:51:35 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? In-Reply-To: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <20070830005229.811B11879D7@autox.team.net> I bought a couple of "spare" pairs of the oversized round ones from Cambridge. With shipping, they ended up being about $100 a pair. Yikes. I thought I had a broken motor mount but was wrong. I've had a pair of them in my car for 3 1/2 years with nary a problem. I hit the same pothole. Pretty pricey compared to the Moss / BPNW ones, but replacing them sucks. That said, the "little" round ones from Moss / BPNW have lasted us much longer than 4 races. I have no experience with the square ones. - Tony At 07:10 PM 8/29/2007, Tim Murphy wrote: >Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round >style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the >round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at >Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than >academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and >we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last >discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for >the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > >Tim Murphy >#317 TR-4 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tony at tonydrews.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 19:16:41 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: Tim I use the round ones, but I also have the Torque Reaction Arm in place. This is an OEM part used on the TR4. It limits the travel of the engine when going from extreme braking to full throttle. There is absolutely no question that it does, as I removed mine to reverse engineer this part to produce it. The result was bent velocity stacks at the next outing. Subsequently, I think it also reduces the stress on the rear tranny mount. If anyone needs one, I have a few on the shelf. Joe > > Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round > style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the > round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at > Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more > than > academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss > and > we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last > discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for > the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR-4 > From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 19:23:55 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:23:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: I have been getting correspondence from Drayton Sleeves. They appear to be a very serious producer of sleeves, including custom sleeves. Anyone have any experience with them? Joe (A) > Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and > his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. > > Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top > wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm > going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > > So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck > Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. > > Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable > motor? > > mjb. > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > adcronin at ameritech.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Planning & Development Services > A. Daniel Cronin > 248 761-2673 > _______________________________________________ > From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 19:54:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? References: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: I through-bolt square ones. Doesn't do much for vibration, but they don't break. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Tim Murphy Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 5:10 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. Tim Murphy #317 TR-4 billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 20:25:58 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Correction Darton Sleeves, not Drayton Message-ID: my apologies.... From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 30 00:06:31 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:06:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: <934A7DEE5834475AB035CB594BB4B4D1@Notebook> I agree with Joe. A torgue rod is mandatory for racing purpose....and even more if you do standing starts. Since I use the torgue rod I hadn't any failure of the motor mounts. I use the square ones and fill the caves with windshield glue (don't know the proper name) Cheers chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:16:52 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:41 EDT To: timmurph at fastbytes.com, fot at autox.team.net X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 50 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: rpm724 at charter.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: Tim I use the round ones, but I also have the Torque Reaction Arm in place. This is an OEM part used on the TR4. It limits the travel of the engine when going from extreme braking to full throttle. There is absolutely no question that it does, as I removed mine to reverse engineer this part to produce it. The result was bent velocity stacks at the next outing. Subsequently, I think it also reduces the stress on the rear tranny mount. If anyone needs one, I have a few on the shelf. Joe > > Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round > style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the > round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at > Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more > than > academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss > and > we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last > discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for > the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR-4 > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 30 00:59:08 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:59:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil Message-ID: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> I use only GL5 qualitiy. If I get W90 GL5 for the diff. Gearbox GL 4 oil. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Differential oil Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:29:53 -0500 X-Original-To: FOT at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net, FOT at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:23 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI From: chasgee at aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30128 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential oil X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: I've always used 85W90 synthetic blend.? 145 may be too thick, but I have no direct experience with the heaver grade. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Differential oil I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 30 06:43:01 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Forgetting the liners for a moment what about the stuck Grose jets in TR6's? I have seen that many times. I suspect its not the jets but rust in the fuel system sending unwanted particles forward, but I stopped using Grose jets a long time ago. What is the general consensus? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A Daniel Cronin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mark J. Bradakis; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot adcronin at ameritech.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Aug 30 07:06:11 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] torque rods Message-ID: <200708301306.l7UD6NvU267586@ns3.geneseo.net> (Opinion) I think torque rods are a good thing for cars with Webers, but not cars with SU's. Whenever I'm asked to help find the problem of an SU equipped car that is breaking up at around 5000 rpm, the first thing I check is to see how tightly the engine is tied don. If it can't move a little bit, the natural four banger vibration is transferred to the carbs and causes foaming and irregular fuel supply. Joe's torque arm is probably the best solution for SU or Stromberg cars. Of course all this can be alleviated by using soft mounts for the carbs. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 30 07:35:48 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:35:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Engine Torque Rods & Torque Reaction Arms Message-ID: FoT Our Triumph TR4 Torque Reaction Arm is 'non-contact', from engine to frame, until it is needed. It is a Triumph OEM part that is available through Moss, as a reproduction part, or directly from me. I use stock front round mounts with no issues. Our rear mount is solid rubber with modified mounting plates and hardware. The rear mount rubber durometer is about the equivalent of the front mounts. Of course my TR4 #197 HP was dynoed at about 120 HP and I seldom exceed 6,000 RPM. We apparently get no fuel foaming with the 175 Strombergs as I can run an entire weekend without a stumble. Joe (A) > Joe's torque arm is probably the best solution for SU or > Stromberg cars. Of course all this can be alleviated by using soft > mounts for the carbs. > > uncle jack > From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 30 07:43:45 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:43:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes?, now Grose Jets In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com > References: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <20070830134440.CBAD0187A61@autox.team.net> Grose jets (in racing, anyway) = bad news In SU carburetors, they can't handle the vibration and fuel pressures racing requires in my experience. - Tony Drews At 07:43 AM 8/30/2007, Kramer, Robert wrote: >Forgetting the liners for a moment what about the stuck Grose jets in >TR6's? I have seen that many times. I suspect its not the jets but rust >in the fuel system sending unwanted particles forward, but I stopped >using Grose jets a long time ago. What is the general consensus? > > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net >[mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of A Daniel Cronin >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 PM >To: Bill Babcock; Mark J. Bradakis; FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > >Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's >and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, >etc. > >Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat >top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my >street TR3. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. >Bradakis >Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM >To: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > >So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose >Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. > >Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable >motor? > >mjb. >billb at bnj.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >adcronin at ameritech.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Planning & Development Services >A. Daniel Cronin >248 761-2673 >rkramer at rdoequipment.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tony at tonydrews.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 30 08:06:46 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Differential oil In-Reply-To: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> References: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > I use only GL5 qualitiy. If I get W90 GL5 for the diff. > Gearbox GL 4 oil. If you have a stock TR differential, you want to use GL4 gear oil. There are brass bits in there (planet gear thrust washers, for example). I realize that this point is moot owing to most folks on the list running Quaifes, Detroit Lockers and stuff like that which have zero brass, But I just thought I'd float the idea... > Cheers > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Aug 30 11:13:32 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:13:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Limerock Message-ID: <20070830.131332.22154.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> I will be there working in timing and scoring in the tower on Saturday and Monday. I will try to stop by either before or after racing starts/stops for the day. Bill, let me know if you happen to need any TR parts for repairs and I will see what I can do. Joe(B) -- "Bill Babcock" wrote: To any FOTers coming to Limerock. Please be sure to drop by and say Hi. Unless the enforcement toughens up we'll have ample adult beverages. We're a bit hard to miss--the big Airstream and the ugly car right at the bottom of the paddock road. jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijnccb07fah9Iu65jUI7AbjWnYl sM0HZ7TJeHpnhZ8KzzsyJA/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 30 15:37:43 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:37:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 Message-ID: "You can share this information with the list if it helps. Dick Stockton uses the round motor mounts as well as your torque reaction arm (mounted on the opposite side of the factory mount so it works under acceleration). He has had no fuel foaming issues running it in this configuration. Bob" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Dick Stockton's FOT Alter Ego reports that Dick uses the Torque Reaction Arm on the opposite side (Driver), instead of the passenger side. This will work from full acceleration and makes sense. However, I think the factory put it on passenger side to limit the first action (rotation of engine) under severe braking. This limits the full travel of the engine, from left to right at the top of the engine, when you come off of the brake and go directly to full throttle. (Visual engine rotating from extreme left to extreme right at the top) The ultimate solution might be put the Torque Reaction Arm on BOTH sides of the engine. I may consider that for mine. Note: Since the TRA is normally in no direct contact with the frame, it will not transfer vibration to the float bowls. The same concept will work with the TR3, but it needs different dimensions to fit. Someone asked about this (BDI).......................................... I have never tried it on a TR4A frame. Joe (A) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 30 16:38:38 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C2903@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I have one on a TR4A and it doesn't fit quite right. I may do some fiddling to get it to fit. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:38 PM To: ra85 at drexel.edu; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 "You can share this information with the list if it helps. Dick Stockton uses the round motor mounts as well as your torque reaction arm (mounted on the opposite side of the factory mount so it works under acceleration). He has had no fuel foaming issues running it in this configuration. Bob" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ ----------------------------------------- Dick Stockton's FOT Alter Ego reports that Dick uses the Torque Reaction Arm on the opposite side (Driver), instead of the passenger side. This will work from full acceleration and makes sense. However, I think the factory put it on passenger side to limit the first action (rotation of engine) under severe braking. This limits the full travel of the engine, from left to right at the top of the engine, when you come off of the brake and go directly to full throttle. (Visual engine rotating from extreme left to extreme right at the top) The ultimate solution might be put the Torque Reaction Arm on BOTH sides of the engine. I may consider that for mine. Note: Since the TRA is normally in no direct contact with the frame, it will not transfer vibration to the float bowls. The same concept will work with the TR3, but it needs different dimensions to fit. Someone asked about this (BDI).......................................... I have never tried it on a TR4A frame. Joe (A) rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Aug 30 17:23:57 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 Message-ID: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> http://www.showroomclassics.com/sportscar.php?id=692163dc6b03ace78a977981fc0e3efa From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 03:39:43 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:39:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 In-Reply-To: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: Hmmm... NO mention of what rear end he's using... If it's the original will it have enough beef to stand all the torque? I think the traditional hot rod upgrade would be a Ford 9" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:57 -0700 > To: william.r.riddle at usmc.mil; dan at thecarringtons.net; dana at summitwestsigns.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: dave at microworks.net > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 > > http://www.showroomclassics.com/sportscar.php?id=692163dc6b03ace78a977981fc0e 3efa > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > greenman62 at hotmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 31 13:40:25 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:40:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3><01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <00ea01c7e282$d557b7b0$0502a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <00b501c7ec06$c7801f50$0502a8c0@desktop> Alright FoTer's, we're ready to order the Diffs from Ken Gilanders @ British Frame and engine. We need 2 things a payment for half down and all persons to commit in a timely manner. I think given this is a Holiday weekend and some may not get this notice for a week or so, we will make a generous time frame to commit. How about 21 days. All deposits must reach Ken by the 21st of September. We need to send him a check for $750 for each unit ordered. At this time we have 6-8 persons interested in them. Ken has also told me that we may have found a may to get the shipping cost down a little also. I will find out if Ken needs a check or can take a credit card as well. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 Kens information is as follows: British Frame and Engine Telephone/Fax: 626-443-0939 Email: bfeken at copper.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Charly Mitchel >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs >>> >>> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated >>> cost. 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If you have received this electronic mail in error, >> please immediately notify the sender by return mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Aug 31 15:39:52 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:39:52 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day Message-ID: <20070831.173952.20472.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Listers, last weekend I raced in the the "Longest Day" 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges (east of Cleveland, OH). What a race! Our very own Ted Shumacher was the honorary starter. Ted has won this race a number of times in his TR8, even taking first overall. It was great to see Ted there and learn of the Triumph success there. Ted has also instructed there and his tips were very helpful to our team. I raced in the Rhinoceros Racing Mazda Miata in the SM class. We started 30th out of 35 starters and finished 17th over all and 7th in class. This was the first enduro for the car and the first 24 hour race for all team members. It was also my first time in a Miata and at this track. The car ran great, needing only tires, gas and a quart of oil. One team member liked driving the car so much that he went out and bought a Spec Miata this week. We were wondering how many TR3's I would have needed to finish such a race. With the current tune of my motor I would probably have needed 3 motors. I am sure a mildly tuned TR3/4 would run 24 hours fine, but with the rough track surface I am not so sure the suspension would have stayed together or the car would not have stayed on track. Turn 11 is taken flat out at the fastest part of the track and has quite a dip in it at the apex. It did not upset the Miata, but not so sure what my TR3 would do in it. Anyway, I digress. We had 6 drivers, but a couple were only doing 1 hour stints. I drove twice, 2 hours at a time (gas would only last 2 hours). It was raining when I got in the car at 7:30 pm and drove into the darkness. Fortunately the rain let up by around 8-8:30, for the rest of the race. There were some fog patches that showed up early in the morning. I got to drive in the daylight in the morning for another 2 hours. The light of morning revealed quite a few damaged cars. Many crunched, missing glass and fenders. A VW Golf had been on its roof during the night and was crushed at the rear. They had a backhoe and a pick-up truck tugging at it to stretch it back out. It kept going for a while, but was pitting very often. If you ever get a chance to participate or attend, go for it. It is quite the event. We are already making plans for next year. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Durable and cost effective steel buildings. Click for huge discounts. http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijm8EfCAQToHQ99eJvM3rzZoxoX mZqhdu2iK1z5td2GgVAcZc/ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 20:52:19 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day In-Reply-To: <20070831.173952.20472.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: >If you ever get a chance to participate or attend, go for it. It is quite >the >event. We are already making plans for next year. Joe(B) I agree, Joe; Quite the Event! I went twice in the early'80s. When you see all the beat-up cars still circulating in the morning, it looks insane. Like something out of Mad Max, only I don't know if it was out then. A group of four drivers wanted to enter, but none of them had a Showroom Stock car. Two FF, one BP and one GT-1. So they took on a fifth driver because his girlfriend had a clapped-out TR7 with a roll bar for her daily driver. At first it ran hot. I was sent to a TR7 in the spectator area. Turns out that car had run the previous year. It had wrecked into the tire wall and they couldn't extricate it, so the workers just piled tires on it to make it part of the wall. The drivers went to sleep but the crew got it out somehow and got it running and woke the drivers up to race some more. One of the crew bought it and fixed it up to drive on the street. Anyway, he gave me a radiator baffle which I installed. Ran cooler after that. It ran and ran with no problems, just got all beat up. Wonder what the girlfriend said when she got it back! The next year the four drivers returned with a brand new Mustang GT and a Ford dealership for a sponsor. The sponsorship was a discount on price and a helper. The helper turned out to be a salesman who knew nothing. All that car did was break. It was trashed but running at the finish. Quite an event! From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:10:27 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:10:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What springs do I have? Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708011110y745bbf23w61e795971e4b194f@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago I replaced the front and rear spings in my TR6. Do not remeber who I got them from, though probably either Moss or BPNW. The fronts are red, the rears blue with yellow dashes on each loop. The fronts may have a second color also, just cannot remember. Anybody have any idea about what rate these have? and what their heights are? -- Chuck Arnold From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 1 21:36:09 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Paging Irv Korey In-Reply-To: <17616431.2096171185846399344.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <564015.38736.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dean - I have been trying to email you - they keep coming back. Is this your email address? Dennis DeLap tr3a58 at verizon.net wrote: Irv; Please send me an E-Mail. I have lost my address book. Dean yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Aug 2 06:32:21 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed Message-ID: <46B1CED5.90802@bright.net> FOTers, we have a few t.shirts left that need to be claimed (read this paid for and shipped). Trying to get this finished up adn off the shipping desk. Help. Following is list of unclaimed orders. Bill Babcock - 4 shirts - XL; Bob Davis - 2 shirts - XL; Steve Benford, JR - 3 shrits - L; Randall Young - 2 shirts - XL. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 12:21:48 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What springs do I have? Message-ID: Chuck wrote: >The fronts are red, the rears blue with yellow dashes on each loop. The >fronts may have a second color also, just cannot remember. > >Anybody have any idea about what rate these have? and what their heights >are? I cannot help with the fronts. I have blue with yellow stripe (like the Swedish flag) all round; I think they came from Moss as "competition springs". They are pretty soft and give a nice ride on the street. The fronts are 9" free length and 390 lb/in, the rears are 10.25" free length and 420 lb/in. Shane Ingate, moving a zillion tons of crap to New Mexico (bloody 'ell!) _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From simon at telephonestogo.ca Thu Aug 2 12:55:17 2007 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:55:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: <030b01c7d536$aae568a0$3464a8c0@SIMON> I have the same springs as Shane, but on a TR4a. The car sits slightly lower, and feels fairly firm but not racecar hard. I bought them as "fast road" springs, I think from Triumphtune. Simon. From BillB at bnj.com Thu Aug 2 20:09:16 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed References: <46B1CED5.90802@bright.net> Message-ID: Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I need those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in them--cause I did! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ted Schumacher Sent: Thu 8/2/2007 5:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed FOTers, we have a few t.shirts left that need to be claimed (read this paid for and shipped). Trying to get this finished up adn off the shipping desk. Help. Following is list of unclaimed orders. Bill Babcock - 4 shirts - XL; Bob Davis - 2 shirts - XL; Steve Benford, JR - 3 shrits - L; Randall Young - 2 shirts - XL. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 2 20:49:05 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:49:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed Message-ID: <080320070249.7537.46B297A10008EA3600001D712200762194970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Babcock" > Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I need > those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in them--cause I > did! What, you don't have a washer and dryer in your trailer? I thought it was well equipped. ;-) Irv From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 06:18:38 2007 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed References: <080320070249.7537.46B297A10008EA3600001D712200762194970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901c7d5c8$6c963fb0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Yes he does but Bill's working on them to Using his T.shirts to clean the part Is the Dryer faster then the............Hmm Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Ted Schumacher" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Bill Babcock" > >> Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I >> need >> those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in >> them--cause I >> did! > > What, you don't have a washer and dryer in your trailer? I thought it was > well equipped. > ;-) > Irv > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > wensley_tr at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Aug 3 10:07:24 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front springs Message-ID: <200708031607.l73G7U3b220380@ns3.geneseo.net> I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. Does anybody know of a source or application? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:38:59 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] front springs Message-ID: Uncle Jack asked: >I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. >Does anybody know of a source or application? Eibach make a zillion different springs. You will need to know sping diameter, spring rate, free length, and length at free compression. The difference between the free length and the point at which the coils bind had to be at least as long as your travel. Luckily, Eibach's race spring catalog lists critical information like free height and compressed height on all its race springs. You can determine spring rate from the following: Spring rate = (shear modulus)*(wire diameter)**4 --------------------------------------------------- 8*(spring diameter)*(number of ACTIVE coils) Note that the **4 means raised to the 4th power. The easier method is to ask other TR4a drivers about what they are running, but I figure that you like to do your own research. Cheers, Shane Ingate, building a mountain of trash in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 14:26:51 2007 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Message-ID: <8315309.1186172811496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am looking to buy a header for a GT6 anyone have one to sell? jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thanks Joe From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Aug 3 18:03:26 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200708040003.l7403WVX338191@ns3.geneseo.net> Thanks for the suggestion, but I struck out at Eibach. Eibach says they do not have any springs in their entire range that has the right diameter, length, and stiffness. The one spring that comes closest has an inside diameter of 2.5". But I did not look at the catalog itself. I called and talked with them. I guess I'll peruse the catalog myself. I had no idea that our sizes were so rare. At 02:38 PM 8/3/2007, you wrote: >Uncle Jack asked: > >>I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. >>Does anybody know of a source or application? > >Eibach make a zillion different springs. You will need to know >sping diameter, spring rate, free length, and length at free >compression. HM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 18:24:39 2007 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:24:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton master cylinders with triumph lines ? Message-ID: <000e01c7d62d$d87dbd60$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox> Hi again, I hope someone can lend some help with adapting Tilton masters to a TR4 brake system. Since I now have a dedicated MC for the rear brakes I'm not sure how to couple the two male lines. The stock line coming off the master is a double male to go to the original 3 way on the RF frame rail and one male for the MC. Even if I were to find a double female connector, then I would have to plug the 3rd port on the original 3 way. Also, are the Triumph fittings compatible with the tilton port ? The lines seem to thread nicely but the seats look different. Thanks again for the advice...again Jim Gray RMVR Neeeeeewbie Oh, I took everyones advice and bailed on the phantom grip and I'm going with the Quaife. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 4 06:42:06 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:42:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] DRACO SPRING MANUFACTURING Message-ID: Mike James Sales www.dracospring.com 713.645.4973 Houston, TX While at Perfrmance Racing Industries Show last December, Rick Junkermeier discussed custom springs for the AMBRO builds. They said they can make anything to spec. They specialize in custom springs. We did not give them any specs at the time. Joe Alexander From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Aug 4 07:52:42 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin Message-ID: <487D87DF23F74212887A162C71998A3A@SohlPC> I would like to nominate Dan Cronin to the FOT list. I'm certain some of you already know Dan from the past. Dan is a former VTR VP and is now retired from his day job with lots of spare time to work on a TR2 he has owned for many years. Dan was at the VTR convention this year and took delivery of the frame that RATCO brought with them for display and for workshop sessions. The frame will be the platform for a "much less than stock" (significantly modified) TR2 with some interesting mods already in the works. Cheers to all Looking for a second. Bill Sohl From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 4 08:11:24 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 10:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Coupe F/S Message-ID: Sorry for the shameless commercial plug....thanks Paul Got to thin the herd ... too many cars not enough parking spots... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 4 12:34:49 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin In-Reply-To: <487D87DF23F74212887A162C71998A3A@SohlPC> Message-ID: I'll second Dan. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sohl Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; adcronin at ameritech.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin I would like to nominate Dan Cronin to the FOT list. I'm certain some of you already know Dan from the past. Dan is a former VTR VP and is now retired from his day job with lots of spare time to work on a TR2 he has owned for many years. Dan was at the VTR convention this year and took delivery of the frame that RATCO brought with them for display and for workshop sessions. The frame will be the platform for a "much less than stock" (significantly modified) TR2 with some interesting mods already in the works. Cheers to all Looking for a second. Bill Sohl dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 00:02:47 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 18:25:43 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips Message-ID: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of autocross? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 5 19:28:32 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips In-Reply-To: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <20070806012902.2BA2F187F91@autox.team.net> They are not needed. - Tony Drews At 07:25 PM 8/5/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when >doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of >autocross? Thanks, Jim From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Aug 5 19:45:20 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701c7d7cb$72ce63d0$43a6544c@Guinan> Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 23:30:27 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000701c7d7cb$72ce63d0$43a6544c@Guinan> Message-ID: <000c01c7d7ea$e5d4dc00$c52a144c@computer> Thanks for your response Joe. At least this go around, I am running Kevlar pads. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 6 05:17:18 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:17:18 GMT Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips Message-ID: <20070806.071718.4272.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> When I ran Triumph brakes on my TR3 I still used the anti-squeal plates since I figured they were one more barrier to help reduce heat transfer from the pads to the pistons. Not sure that it made any difference. Joe(B) -- "jim hearn" wrote: Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of autocross? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 6 05:26:42 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:26:42 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Message-ID: <20070806.072642.4272.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> The issue of bedding in new pads is more of an issue of getting the pads to off gas. Those gases will reduce the stopping ability of the pads. Did the pads come with any bedding instructions? Sanding the pads will not bed them. Only friction and the associated heat will do this. Typically 5 or 6 hard brakings, but not to a stop with some cooling time in between works. You do not want to overheat them, but you do want them to get hot, then cool a little, 5 or 6 times. Joe(B) -- "jim hearn" wrote: Thanks for your response Joe. At least this go around, I am running Kevlar pads. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 6 06:07:03 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:07:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000c01c7d7ea$e5d4dc00$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA19@server.Triumph.local> My guess on this is if the pads were used, and you were putting new, refaced or different rotors on you might get some benefit from touching up the pads with sandpaper. Perhaps there could be some benefit from breaking any glaze or removing any surface irregularities that the old rotor cut into the pad. But new pads on new rotors I really can't see any benefit at all. Joe B just posted the facts on the degassing of the pads. That is what you are trying to accomplish, and heat is the only way that happens. If you are unwilling to drive the car to bed the pads there is always the technique where you hook your race car up to your tow vehicle and have your wife pull you up the street while you stomp the brake pedal. To paraphrase a well known, successful Triumph speed wizard, "That is either brilliant, or the stupidest thing I ever heard." Last I heard, the jury is still out on that one! :-) > From: "jim hearn" > Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? > > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing > front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not > a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand > spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about > sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? > If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch > the face up a little. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 6 06:51:48 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?W0ZPVF0gw4LCoFNhbmRpbmcgYnJha2UgcGFkcz8=?= Message-ID: <15393169.3817391186404708383.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> Some how I can get a real clear picture of Henry and Helen doing just that on the back roads of CT. Dean >From: Henry Frye >Date: 2007/08/06 Mon AM 07:07:03 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? >My guess on this is if the pads were used, and you were putting new, >refaced or different rotors on you might get some benefit from touching >up the pads with sandpaper. Perhaps there could be some benefit from >breaking any glaze or removing any surface irregularities that the old >rotor cut into the pad. But new pads on new rotors I really can't see >any benefit at all. Joe B just posted the facts on the degassing of the >pads. That is what you are trying to accomplish, and heat is the only >way that happens. > >If you are unwilling to drive the car to bed the pads there is always >the technique where you hook your race car up to your tow vehicle and >have your wife pull you up the street while you stomp the brake pedal. >To paraphrase a well known, successful Triumph speed wizard, "That is >either brilliant, or the stupidest thing I ever heard." > >Last I heard, the jury is still out on that one! :-) > >> From: "jim hearn" >> Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? > >> >> On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing >> front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not >> a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand >> spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about >> sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? >> If >> not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch >> the face up a little. >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 6 10:55:30 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 12:47:09 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708061147h7589f46aw8b7aff1cdb985fa9@mail.gmail.com> At least it was not on a road course at 100mph! On 8/6/07, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 12:51:03 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668902@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've seen that view. On an old Jeep Wrangler my wife and I rented in Mexico with bad hood hold-downs. Broke off the windshield and left a goose-egg on my wife's forehead. I almost left a goose-egg on the car rental agent's forehead when he tried to charge me for the damage... Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:56 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 12:52:50 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0708061147h7589f46aw8b7aff1cdb985fa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> OTOH, it IS in a parking lot with people standing around in inopportune spots... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:47 PM To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event At least it was not on a road course at 100mph! On 8/6/07, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 6 13:00:33 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > OTOH, it IS in a parking lot with people standing around in inopportune > spots... This particular venue is an abandoned airfield and the prepared cars can reach 75 + in spots. The episode is doubly embarrassing because both Mike (the driver) and I are currently licensed solo safety stewards. It's funny how you get caught up in the moment. In our de-brief, we decided that we need checklists for events. Either that or a responsible crew person to keep us from shooting ourselves in the feet! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 6 16:42:48 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <006701c7d876$61881fc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <006701c7d876$61881fc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <000001c7d87b$1d2109f0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Get a Spitfire! Little chance of that happening with one of those little cars. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:09 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Fw: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 17:53:31 2007 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:53:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Message-ID: <9763080.1186444411789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 18:06:06 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:06:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header In-Reply-To: <9763080.1186444411789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:19:42 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:19:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Barr, Scott To: Joseph Siam ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:31:31 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:31:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: done that twice in my TR3..................No goose egg, hardly even a spot on my helmet..............Henry Morrison> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:03 -0500> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event> > I've seen that view. On an old Jeep Wrangler my wife and I rented in> Mexico with bad hood hold-downs. Broke off the windshield and left a> goose-egg on my wife's forehead. I almost left a goose-egg on the car> rental agent's forehead when he tried to charge me for the damage...> > Scott B.> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf> Of Robert Lang> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:56 AM> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event> > Hi,> > Do not do this:> > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov> > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer).> > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the> shifter and only forgot "one thing".> > Doh!> > rml> p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content.> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help |> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> scott.barr at mccarty-law.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > dos_gusanos at msn.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Mon Aug 6 20:22:48 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Carl's Membership Message-ID: <00d001c7d899$db034910$8583b304@Bud> Hi Fred..It's Racer Bud..FOT..Sonoma Ca. Carl Stirtz is still not receiving FOT emails(he was accepted 2 weeks ago) stirtzmachine at aol.com Who should I contact to get things going? Thanks...Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 6 22:23:29 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:23:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends Message-ID: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and road racing? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Aug 6 23:31:50 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:31:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Herald Grill on EBay: FOR ENGINE BAY VENTS? Message-ID: <46B803C6.8090002@greenheart.com> Grill could modified to cover engine bay vents. --Justin http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=180146315174 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 7 06:08:02 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:08:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << my question is "how early is early? >> I'm not certain of it, but it may be for the Mk I head (pre-TR250, I believe) - the one with the exposed pushrod tubes. The stud-holes at the outer ends of the header (fore and aft) are at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock, rather than being diagonally oriented across those ports. I checked it against one of my later GT6 heads. That later head had the stud-hole at 1 o'clock in the case of the port for #1 cylinder's exhaust valve. Scott B. ________________________________ From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:20 PM To: Joseph Siam; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Barr, Scott To: Joseph Siam ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 06:46:37 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:46:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <009401c7d8f0$fee15780$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> You are correct about the exposed pushrod tubes/castings. Don't know about the studs. Kastner's first book addresses the differences and suggests not bothering with the early head for performance use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: "KEVIN LYNCH" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > << my question is "how early is early? >> > > I'm not certain of it, but it may be for the Mk I head (pre-TR250, I > believe) - the one with the exposed pushrod tubes. The stud-holes at > the outer ends of the header (fore and aft) are at 3 o'clock and 9 > o'clock, rather than being diagonally oriented across those ports. I > checked it against one of my later GT6 heads. That later head had the > stud-hole at 1 o'clock in the case of the port for #1 cylinder's exhaust > valve. > > Scott B. > > ________________________________ > > From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:20 PM > To: Joseph Siam; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > > > Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone > would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? > During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple > made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: Joseph Siam ; > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > > And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, > if > anyone's interested. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] > On Behalf > Of Joseph Siam > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header > > Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe > scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > klynch_6 at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > s.janzen at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 7 07:25:29 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends In-Reply-To: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> Start with a bucket of dough. What you really want is the salisbury clutch type diff, currently manufactured by Tran-x. http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html These are not cheap. Another alternative is the Quaiffe limited slip, but that is a torque sensing gear drive design that requires both rear wheels on the ground to work right. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/quaife_app.htm Lift the inside wheel and it's not much better than an open diff. Another less expensive option is a welded diff - you can start with that and move up to the Tran-x. - Tony Drews At 11:23 PM 8/6/2007, jim hearn wrote: >What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and >road racing? Thanks, Jim From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Aug 7 09:26:06 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:26:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name is Steve Hare haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 Spitfire this year in the Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve picked the car up in New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in Washington State We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's racing the only Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're getting a stronger contingent of Triumphs up here lately. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 08:46:25 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Second Steve Hare for membership Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708070746q25d58cb7k37c73cb2596115de@mail.gmail.com> How could I not second anotherr NW racer!. Welcome aboard to Steve. On 8/7/07, Charly Mitchel wrote: > > I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name is Steve Hare > haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 Spitfire this year in > the > Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve picked the car > up in > New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in Washington State > We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's racing the > only > Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're getting a stronger > contingent of Triumphs up here lately. > Thanks, > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Aug 7 09:27:31 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:27:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: Man...If only there had been other Spitfires to race with when I lived up there!!! He gets a second from me... ----- Original Message ----- From: Charly Mitchel Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:21 Subject: [Fot] nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: haretoday at comcast.net > I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name > is Steve Hare > haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 > Spitfire this year in the > Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve > picked the car up in > New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in > Washington State > We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's > racing the only > Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're > getting a stronger > contingent of Triumphs up here lately. > Thanks, > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 7 15:12:44 2007 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:12:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46B8E04C.10604@charter.net> jim hearn wrote: > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and > putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, > the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have > read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a > little. > > This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and > look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA > club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > gaf3 at charter.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Jim Sanding the brake pads or rotors will do the opposite of what you are trying to achieve. Typically burnishing or bedding the brakes requires a series of moderate brake stops (.3g @ ~ 30-35 mph) with some cooling time in between. On a vehicle driven on the street this can occur during normal (moderate driving). I use to have pads and rotors pre burnished on a brake dyno before driving events (if you know someone in the brake business this can be done). Part of the burnishing or bedding process involves setting up a transfer layer of material ( from the pads) on the rotors. For your purpose I would find a deserted parking lot and do a series of hard brake stops with adequate cooling time in between (drive around to cool). It shouldn't take more that 6-12 stops to do it. Good Luck Glenn Franco 72 Spitfire Race Car (75% complete) Too many other TR's From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Aug 7 18:32:16 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:32:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Speaking of Diffs, I need to get another LSD and would like to get a Tran-x if possible. Has anyone looked into buying a lot of them? I would think if we could get a commitment for about 10-12 units, we could save a little on them. These seem to be the only real alternative and they should fit quite a few different cars. Anyone else up for this? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends > Start with a bucket of dough. What you really want is the salisbury > clutch type diff, currently manufactured by > Tran-x. http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html These are not > cheap. Another alternative is the Quaiffe limited slip, but that is > a torque sensing gear drive design that requires both rear wheels on > the ground to work > right. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/quaife_app.htm > Lift the inside wheel and it's not much better than an open > diff. Another less expensive option is a welded diff - you can start > with that and move up to the Tran-x. > > - Tony Drews > > At 11:23 PM 8/6/2007, jim hearn wrote: > >What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and > >road racing? Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Aug 7 21:20:31 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 qrt panels HELP In-Reply-To: <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <000001c7d96b$1518e6b0$2b24b348@blake1> Anyone know where I can get outer quarter panels for a TR3? TRF gave me a pretty open ended response on availability. MOSS has not responded and Vicky Brit says not available. MOSS part No.s 855-730 QUARTER PANEL, L/H (dogleg) 855-720 QUARTER PANEL, R/H (dogleg) I cut out the bottom 6", which was rusted through on both sides anyways, to replace the inner sills. Now it looks easier to replace the whole panel than try and make replacement pieces...any suggestions? Thanks, Greg From BillB at bnj.com Tue Aug 7 21:36:41 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA19@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: It's fairly standard practice to grind pads flat again after using them in calipers that are not particularly rigid. You do this to get them flat again because they get a taper during use. this is the only kind of "sanding" I'm familiar with. If you are trying to bed the pads this won't work at all, you need to get pad material transfered to the rotor, and heat the pad enough to drive out the volatile compounds in the pad surface that will otherwise insulate the pad from the disk. The only way is to do what the manufacturer says for bedding, which is usually to brake hard a few times, and then let the brakes cool and rest. Overnight is best. > > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing > front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not > a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand > spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about > sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? > If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch > the face up a little. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 07:30:52 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:30:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a TR3? Stock and modified? Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some coin mount a challenge. Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 8 07:55:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:55:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: It would be interesting if the FoT got behind this effort in some way. Bonneville would be one of my 50s dreams to be there...more so if I could run it with a finished AMBRO. Vicarious involvement might be sufficient. Just saw THE WORLD'S FASTEST INDIAN for the first time. fun movie. Joe A > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 08:00:37 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:00:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070808140650.IBIR26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Bill is not on FOT. I'll ask him if he would like to be. He would certainly be good for the list. He lives about three miles away from me here in Mesa, AZ At 06:51 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote: >Interesting! > >I dream of running the AMBRO there when it is finished. Just to do it. > >More can get done if we all get involved. > >Where is he located? Is he on the FoT list? > >Joe Alexander > > >>I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at >>Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a >>TR3? Stock and modified? >> >>Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA >>(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k >>by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. >> >>Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >>donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some >>coin mount a challenge. >> >>Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: >> >>"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- >>4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >>available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >>_______________________________________________ From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Aug 8 09:16:32 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:16:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I also have a Quaife and I'm not particularly happy with it. I can get inner wheel spin fairly easy, but I raced with an open diff last week and that's pathetic to use. I don't really want the locker type (eventhough they aren't readily available) and won't even want to consider a Phantom so that leaves the Tran-x as the only alternative in my mind. If I could get some kind of response on a quantity, I would check with BFE for a deal. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Charly Mitchel" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends > Hi, > > I'm interested, but I can't commit 'till I know the $$$ amount. > > Ken Gillanders might work out an FOT price if pressed. > > I have two Quaifes and a Detroit Locker right now, but I can't seem to get > the balance between rear roll stiffness and lifting the inside wheel, so > I'm not a big fan of the Quaifes at this point. They work okay but I don't > like 'em for autocross that much. But they're "what I got", so that's > that. > > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 8 08:18:14 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends In-Reply-To: <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Charly Mitchel wrote: > I also have a Quaife and I'm not particularly happy with it. I can get > inner wheel spin fairly easy, but I raced with an open diff last week and > that's pathetic to use. > I don't really want the locker type (eventhough they aren't readily > available) and won't even want to consider a Phantom so that leaves the > Tran-x as the only alternative in my mind. > If I could get some kind of response on a quantity, I would check with BFE > for a deal. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 Keep me in the loop. rml #40 TR6 (we're not quite up to speed yet - :-) ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 08:30:37 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:30:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR Coach Reveals Winning Strategy Message-ID: <20070808143612.IMMI26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nascar_coach_reveals_winning From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 8 10:56:15 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: "David W. Riddle" >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a >TR3? Stock and modified? > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some >coin mount a challenge. > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 12:37:53 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:37:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... [enter current info here]" Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to shoot for. On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 8 13:03:02 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might be higher since 40 years has passed.:-) We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going as a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: David W. Riddle Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... [enter current info here]" Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to shoot for. On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:42:54 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:42:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: Might it be time to go back Kas? Greg On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A > story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small > mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the > record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 > liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might be > higher since 40 years has passed.:-) > > We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going as > a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. > > Never Be beaten by Equipment > Kas Kastner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > To: David W. Riddle > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's > message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... > [enter current info here]" > Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... > looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! > Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I > have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. > I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in > the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to > shoot for. > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to > run at > > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is > for a > > TR3? Stock and modified? > > > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia > Scorpion. > > > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > > coin mount a challenge. > > > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:59:10 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:59:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <41398EAB-8961-4DEC-A1E9-CE321A2DBC24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <83DC71A3-7525-40D1-8CBB-B26B6D15F9A1@earthlink.net> > Now there's something for e-bay! 40 year old Bonneville salt from > Kas Kastner!! Probably bring lots of $$$. Save a bit in case some > FoT wants to take it back where it came from for luck. > Greg > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> I don't think so Greg. It was a tough 3 days there, still got the >> salt coming out of stuff I had there. >> >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> To: Kas Kastner >> Cc: David W. Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >> >> Might it be time to go back Kas? >> Greg >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >>> On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A >>> story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small >>> mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the >>> record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 >>> liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might >>> be higher since 40 years has passed.:-) >>> >>> We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going >>> as a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. >>> >>> Never Be beaten by Equipment >>> Kas Kastner >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >>> To: David W. Riddle >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >>> >>> Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's >>> message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... >>> [enter current info here]" >>> Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... >>> looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! >>> Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I >>> have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. >>> I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. >>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >>> TR4 #314 >>> Albuquerque NM >>> P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium >>> back in >>> the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to >>> shoot for. >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: >>> >>> > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to >>> run at >>> > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is >>> for a >>> > TR3? Stock and modified? >>> > >>> > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a >>> Cosworth BDA >>> > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like >>> $20k >>> > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia >>> Scorpion. >>> > >>> > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >>> > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend >>> some >>> > coin mount a challenge. >>> > >>> > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: >>> > >>> > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A >>> or TR- >>> > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >>> > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > >>> > lunkercars at earthlink.net >>> > Fot mailing list >>> > Fot at autox.team.net >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> kaskas at cox.net >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 14:19:14 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:19:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <4D9BFBEC-234E-4B80-BFBD-9752300894DA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I thought I was done with this thread for a while, but... I've > honestly seasoned a meal or two with the real stuff. The taste buds > can't be fooled! > On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Now, you don't think I'd sell you just crap salt and claim it was >> the real McCoy do you? >> Heh heh Heh!!!!!! >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> To: Kas Kastner >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >> >> Now there's something for e-bay! 40 year old Bonneville salt >> from Kas Kastner!! Probably bring lots of $$$. Save a bit in case >> some FoT wants to take it back where it came from for luck. >> Greg >> >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >>> I don't think so Greg. It was a tough 3 days there, still got the >>> salt coming out of stuff I had there. >>> >>> Never Be beaten by Equipment >>> Kas Kastner From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 8 14:39:26 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:39:26 GMT Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: <20070808.163926.18152.1@webmail15.dca.untd.com> When I bought my 1st TR3, it was in a barn in Kentucky. It had a bad clutch, so I had to replace the clutch to get the car to even move I was in college, so a trailer and tow vehicle were out of my reach. Changed the clutch and then took it for a test drive. Opps, forgot to fasten the Dzus fastners in the bonnet (and no safety latch). Up came the bonnet. One hinge stayed together, and held it from flying completely off. Still have that bonnet as a reminder (and in case I ever get desperate for one). Joe(B) -- Robert Lang wrote: Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 8 17:31:39 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <01D314E1C40D476DA75DCA8771224BB0@SohlPC> Kas mentioned the TR4 effort getting up to 128mph. How fast does a prepped TR6 or SCCA raced TR8 get to? I recall also an effort some years back to field a TR8 at LeMans. The car reached (I think) 178 on the straight. VTR published a short story on the vehicle which was done at the time in the separate VTR English Channel newsletter. Cheers, Bill Sohl From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 19:13:31 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Message-ID: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. b_close at hotmail.com Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus Super7-clone that is a project. Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 19:14:26 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvc s.net> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Aug 8 19:42:26 2007 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:42:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds certifiable to me -SECOND! Fred Hodgson ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. b_close at hotmail.com Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus Super7-clone that is a project. Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html stlnyc at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 8 19:42:26 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:42:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Message-ID: Second that! FoT may wish to support the Bonneville Effort. I'd like to, in any way that I can. Joe A. From budscars at msn.com Wed Aug 8 19:45:01 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000801c7da26$e8ed80c0$8783b304@Bud> Bill Has my 2nd.. Welcome Bill Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in Sonoma, ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Cc: "Bill Close" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close >I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. > > b_close at hotmail.com > > Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis > Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus > Super7-clone that is a project. > > Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > budscars at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 20:32:52 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Message-ID: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 8 21:34:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 21:38:07 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Message-ID: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) TR6 in Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any ideas are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 22:48:14 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Message-ID: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From portermd at zianet.com Wed Aug 8 23:07:37 2007 From: portermd at zianet.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:07:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In-Reply-To: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46BAA119.606@zianet.com> jim hearn wrote: >Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? >Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a >good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, >Jim > > > Umm, my first guess is that the results would be highly unpredictable. Weight shifts from braking and acceleration combined with turns could make the car plenty jumpy. My favorite story about this sort of thing was from a dealership shop manager I used to work for (who had a VW/Porsche dealership once, before he lost it). Said he had a customer who complained of erratic handling with his 911. So he had the guy try to reproduce the problem while riding with him. The guy went into a very tight downhill, decreasing radius off-ramp at about 110 mph, and when he hit the brakes a bit, the car jumped sideways about four feet. "That's what I mean!," yelled the customer to the manager, who was very much shaken by the profound twitch, having seen a life or two flash before his eyes. They put the car on a rack and walked around and around it, trying to find something out of place. Everything looked just fine. No bad bushings, no obvious alignment problems or tire wear, etc. The tires were the same size and brand, all radials, etc. Then one of his mechanics noticed that the tires on the right side were single steel-belt and the rest were fabric, while the two on the left were all-steel-belted. They put a matched set of tires on it and the problem disappeared. So, even radials are not all created equal. Cheers. -- Michael D. Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 23:05:45 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:05:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <20070809052249.MXIQ7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Yep and my TR3 has never even dreamed of hitting 115 let alone 130. I think 110 would be easy for it to reach. I was cruising along at 100 on the freeway keeping up with the 911's, etc... during the BEAT run (http://www.beataz.com) with the throttle not even close to being buried. At 08:34 PM 8/8/2007, Kas Kastner wrote: As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Aug 8 23:45:48 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:45:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000801c7da26$e8ed80c0$8783b304@Bud> Message-ID: As my birthday (& others) is during Speed Week. Nothing would tickle me more than to cross the Rockies with friends in a RV & partake in the festivities some fine year! I gave World's Fastest Indian to several friends @ Christmas which was met with overall raves! I can only lend support & cheers in takin' the 3 to da' Salt! Even got a lift here in W. Denver for what it's worth... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net ; David W. Riddle Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Bill Has my 2nd.. Welcome Bill Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in Sonoma, ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Cc: "Bill Close" > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close >I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. > > b_close at hotmail.com > > Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis > Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus > Super7-clone that is a project. > > Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > budscars at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 9 05:19:11 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a > suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. The answer depends on your tires. If you run bias-ply slicks, you can run close to stock settings (-1.5 front, -.5 rear) providing you have a lot of roll stiffness. If you run radials, you want more than those numbers by about another degree or so. The difficulty in the front is getting more negative camber due to limits in the suspesnsion design. The rear is easy. > Thanks, Jim regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Aug 9 05:30:18 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:30:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: In a word. No. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hearn To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:07:39 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:07:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville - Drag Measurements Message-ID: Kas Where would one find the drag measurements for various Triumph models? Cary In a message dated 8/8/2007 8:32:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot group44tr7 at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 9 07:55:42 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:55:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Message-ID: In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 07:56:35 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Message-ID: FWIW, I run -1 front, -2 rear. I use 1/8 front and rear toe. Factory caster. Shane Ingate, still packin' and chuckin', in Maryland On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: >On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a >suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. The answer depends on your tires. If you run bias-ply slicks, you can run close to stock settings (-1.5 front, -.5 rear) providing you have a lot of roll stiffness. If you run radials, you want more than those numbers by about another degree or so. The difficulty in the front is getting more negative camber due to limits in the suspesnsion design. The rear is easy. >Thanks, Jim regards, rml _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 08:04:33 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:04:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: Bill Sohl asked: >Kas mentioned the TR4 effort getting up to 128mph. How fast does a prepped >TR6 or SCCA raced TR8 get to? I had Rags up to 201 mpg down Mulsanne Straight, and just recently ran 186 mph for best in class at Bonneville. At the end of each run, I would climb out of the car, make sure the jack stands were still in place, and close the garage door. All the while making VroomVroom noises. Shane Ingate, dreamin' a little, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 08:09:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: <020e01c7da8e$dc06e8c0$4d13c548@RWKastner> You can do a lot of experimenting with tire pressure to aid in using the two types of tires, but don't expect anything good out of it. I tried it once with the radials on the back of my TR-3 and figured I was lucky to get back to the pits alive. All I wanted was to change the gear ratio a little with the smaller radials.The oversteer was huge and adding 15 pounds of air helped a lot, but then the rounded tread gave up on anything high speed. Not worth the effort. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 9 08:50:05 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:50:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BB299D.3010609@bradakis.com> The various classes, engine categories and recorrds can be found on the SCTA-BNI web pages, http://www.scta-bni.org A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Aug 9 09:06:52 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about 160hp. Does this sound about right? Larry Young Kas Kastner wrote: >As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David W. Riddle > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Bill Close > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > > My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily > exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to > this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. > > At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car > >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or > >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an > >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just > >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > > > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for > >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > > > >Cheers, > >Kurt O. > > > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > > >To: fot at autox.team.net > > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > > >coin mount a challenge. > > > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > > >_______________________________________________ > > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > > >Fot mailing list > > >Fot at autox.team.net > > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >cartravel at pobox.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 09:17:54 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:17:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 9 09:29:24 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:29:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed Message-ID: In a message dated 08/09/2007 10:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, triosan at gmail.com writes: > How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? > > Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? > > My guess is Babcock may have found that out at BRAINERD this past week end. Can't think of another track in the country where the straight (which includes Turns ONE and TWO in Bill's car) will allow you to approach top speed. I think 133 was mentioned (+/-). Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 10:52:52 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:52:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: > A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? Wow! Now paint it satin black with a hi-gloss classic flame job... MMMMMM!! Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 11:54:47 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:54:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California In-Reply-To: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <268ADA6C-54C3-4F15-9F45-E379623C8C1C@earthlink.net> Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow. Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerqeue NM On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote: > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > TR6 in > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > ideas > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 12:00:09 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:00:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> >> A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? Actually, that would probably be a modified roadster or modified sports. A lakester is an open wheel non-production body, think belly tank. A streamliner is an envelope non-production body, think Mickey Thompson's Challenger. Just for grins and giggles, as best as I can tell, a TR would fit in either Modified Sports or Grand Touring Sports, probably in engine class F, 2.1 to 3.0 litre. The current records for class F Mod Sports is 200.240. For F Grand Touring Sports its 168.721. How much are forged unobtainium crankshafts these days? Cheers, Kurt O. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:26:03 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:26:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708091126y6f36a99eub3c5a78e81d937a7@mail.gmail.com> Given his times at Pacific Raceway, where I run a car, that sounds possible. He probably gets close to max rpm at PR also. I am just shifting from 3rd to 4th when I enter the straight which is as long as a drag strip and its runout, so lots of time to go as fast as it will go. Not fast enough in my just getting sorted out TR5. Will go to 7500 in 3rd, but only 5000 in 4th [half way down that straight]. Hope my adjustments to the PI make a difference when I test and tune next week. According to my air/fuel meter, at that 5000 rpm I am running a little rich. Questions for the group: 1. What conditions should I check to "go faster". My change so far is to increase the maximum fuel screw on the PI mixture control unit. 2. Since this is PI, does that richness infer too much fuel? Would the change I mention above get worse? 3. What effect does being just a little too advanced in ignition have on top speed, versus it being just a little too retarded? 4. If ignition is dead on, what effect on top speed does having the cam timing retarded versus advanced? Thanks for all responses, I am sure they will be enlightening. On 8/9/07, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 08/09/2007 10:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, > triosan at gmail.com writes: > > > How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? > > Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? > > > > My guess is Babcock may have found that out at BRAINERD this past week > end. Can't think of another track in the country where the straight (which > includes Turns ONE and TWO in Bill's car) will allow you to approach top > speed. > > I think 133 was mentioned (+/-). > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- Chuck Arnold From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 12:28:07 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:28:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California In-Reply-To: <268ADA6C-54C3-4F15-9F45-E379623C8C1C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004f01c7dab3$0978a090$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> It's a bit of a tow, but Oregon and NW Regions of SCCA run a vintage group with their regional races. They permit anything up to and including 1982. I think next year it's going to be 25 years or older. You can find the rules at http://www.oregonscca.com/roadrace/2007/vintsup07final.doc Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:55 AM To: jim hearn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow. Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerqeue NM On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote: > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > TR6 in > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > ideas > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 12:42:12 2007 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:42:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] front springs for spitfire Message-ID: <8C9A8CC226E37BA-5D4-C7F3@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Amici, To all the Spitfire racers -? what spring rates are you running on the front ??( Free lenght and weight )And from where did you purchace them ? Bob T ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 13:20:33 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> We have added a bunch of photos to the web site taken at the Miller event last month. you can see them at www.kaskastner.com. Not track photos but mostly people pics. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 9 13:40:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:40:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: GREAT T-SHIRTS! Chuck, any left? I want one. From chasgee at aol.com Thu Aug 9 13:46:47 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:46:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos In-Reply-To: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <8C9A8D527F4B526-F88-16E0@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Nice shots Kas! In case anyone is interested, I have a few of the event shirts left.? Unfortunately the only size I have left is 2XL.? Send me an email if you want one, $20 plus shipping. Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Home of the 2007 Kastner Cup -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20 pm Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos We have added a bunch of photos to the web site taken at the Miller event last month. you can see them at www.kaskastner.com. Not track photos but mostly people pics. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Aug 9 14:13:11 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: 2XL? That fits about all of the FOT doesn't it? In case anyone is interested, I have a few of the event shirts left.? Unfortunately the only size I have left is 2XL.? Send me an email if you want one, $20 plus shipping. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ryoung at navcomtech.com Thu Aug 9 15:12:23 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:12:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net><20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001101c7dac9$fa9b1e60$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome > drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something > like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about > 160hp. Does this sound about right? Sounds reasonable to me, but don't forget what configuration those tests were done with. 108 mph on 90 bhp sure sounds like it must've had skinny tires, skirts, no windshield and that metal tonneau cover; all to improve aerodynamics and reduce drag coefficient. Road & Track only managed 106 mph, with a 100 bhp 57 TR3. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 15:37:03 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net><20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner><46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> <001101c7dac9$fa9b1e60$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <049201c7dacd$6d848260$4d13c548@RWKastner> My stock 1955 TR-2 wouldn't go 100 mph downhill with a hurricane at the back unless it were falling off a cliff.. About 90-92 at the high desert altitude. (and slightly downhill). It would get you there, just not all that fast. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome > drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something > like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about > 160hp. Does this sound about right? Sounds reasonable to me, but don't forget what configuration those tests were done with. 108 mph on 90 bhp sure sounds like it must've had skinny tires, skirts, no windshield and that metal tonneau cover; all to improve aerodynamics and reduce drag coefficient. Road & Track only managed 106 mph, with a 100 bhp 57 TR3. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 9 16:10:16 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:10:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: <014901c7dad2$137a54c0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Well, I watched Mike Jackson run his TR-3 at Mosport a couple of years ago on one radial and one bias on the rear axle. Seems he was lean on good rubber and reverted to whatever he had. I cannot confirm or reject the rumor he was racing on a trailer spare............He was still damn fast. Of course I think Mike could run on the bare rims and still outrun many of us! I was in a state of amazement! FWIW Russ Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? > In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > > >> Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? >> Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a >> good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? >> Thanks, >> > > Jim... > > I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a > set > of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, > but > not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. > > This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, > where > they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear > tires > will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed > this > with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of > them > say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias > and > radial. > > I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rem9 at frontiernet.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 18:46:53 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FoT Newbie References: Message-ID: > Cool! Curious also. > Greg Hilyer > 323-K claremont Ave NW > Albuquerque NM 87107 > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 4:49 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Nostalgia Racing gave us awards, and one of them is yours. Give >> me your address and I'll mail it to you. >> >> Chuck From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 9 20:34:49 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs .net> References: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070810023519.9EAD81879C9@autox.team.net> As I recall, the original question was "what are the speed records for a TR-3 for both stock and modified". I would expect them to be somewhat less than the overall records. I couldn't find any list of speeds by make / model - just max for the F and G classes (a 83 mm TR-3 should qualify for G, I think). Would be cool to find some sort of detailed history of the attempts with make / model info. I've not googled that successfully yet. - Tony At 01:00 PM 8/9/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > >> A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? > >Actually, that would probably be a modified roadster or modified >sports. A lakester is an open wheel non-production body, think belly >tank. A streamliner is an envelope non-production body, think Mickey >Thompson's Challenger. > >Just for grins and giggles, as best as I can tell, a TR would fit in >either Modified Sports or Grand Touring Sports, probably in engine >class F, 2.1 to 3.0 litre. The current records for class F Mod >Sports is 200.240. For F Grand Touring Sports its 168.721. How much >are forged unobtainium crankshafts these days? > >Cheers, >Kurt O. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Aug 9 22:30:22 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:30:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Message-ID: Be careful, what qualifies as "Vintage in "Progressive New Mexico" is any car that arrives with entry money. The problem with SWMS and their progressivism is cars with flares and slicks are allowed as well as refugees from Saturday night ovals that feature schedule 40 front bumpers. Vintage racing is about the passion for the cars that participated in the golden era of road racing and not weekly changing the rules to accomodate whatever car happens to be rusting away in whoever's backyard. So, get a car that qualifies and support the best vintage racing in the country that is in your own backyard (CSRG, HMSA). You'll be glad you did and may even see a refugee from New Mexico, putting around some track in Northern California..................................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, New Mexico > From: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:54:47 -0600> To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California> > Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest > Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this > issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage > group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what > cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 > and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would > qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out > and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure > Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a > grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the > larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs > to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow.> Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico!> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerqeue NM> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote:> > > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like> > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > > TR6 in> > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > > ideas> > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento> >> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > > which had a name of winmail.dat]> > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > lunkercars at earthlink.net> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > dos_gusanos at msn.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 10 09:11:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:11:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis Message-ID: Mark, The email address I have for you bounces. Can you contact me? Joe A From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 17:42:18 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:42:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 130 HP, 135MPH (ACCORDING TO MY GPS THINGY) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 8:17 AM To: Friends; Bill Babcock Subject: Peyote speed How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? -- Chuck Arnold From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 17:52:25 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: They can, but the handling will suck so bad it will probably kill you. Smart answers aside, it's not a good idea. People have tried it for several reasons (experimenters zeal, financial constraints, ignorance) and the results is never very pretty. You'll generally have very unpredictable transitions and a lot of sliding. Fun, but so is driving on ice. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 9:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 18:17:19 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:17:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? References: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: Depends on your tires and the amount of camber gain you have. If you want to do it via measurement, you need to determine the camber gain and the typical deflection of the suspension. Not easy to do. Otherwise, get a tire temperature pyrometer and a skid pad (A big parking lot with no neighbors) and go round in circles until the tires heat up to more than 110. Measure the temperature at outside, middle and inside of each tire. Make sure you do circles in both directions. If the middle is hotter than the inside and outside, your tire pressure is too high. Decrease tire pressure until the middle is the same as one side. then read everything again. If the inside is more than a few degrees hotter than the outside then you are too negative. Or vice versa. Lather rinse repeat. Then use a camber guage to measure what you have, and there's the right answer. Here's the wrong one, but it's easier: Radials: 3 degrees negative, Bias Ply 0 degrees. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 7:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 18:28:30 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: People actually do this all the time, I know most of the poopers run Hoosiers on the back and avons on the front. But it takes a lot of fiddling to make that work: tire pressure, camber, and sometimes toe. You seem more like a "show up and drive" kind of guy. I don't think you're likely to put in the effort to make that work. there's about a twenty percent chance it will feel okay to you. Be sure to bring backup tires the first time. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 6:55 AM To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Aug 11 08:51:03 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting. Top speed number is higher than the HP number. A very efficient package. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Chuck Arnold ; Friends Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Peyote speed 130 HP, 135MPH (ACCORDING TO MY GPS THINGY) From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:01:25 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:01:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with a good match here. Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:05:04 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:05:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil level for autox and time trials Message-ID: <000601c7dc31$6155ce30$c52a144c@computer> I am reading and hearing different things; should it be over or under full? I am using the felt dipstick spacer on my TR6. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:22:34 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> Hi Bill, Thanks for a great response. I have used the shoe polish on the sidewall to check for tire turnover and will put a temp gauge in my routine. I have a laser no contact type and I assume these will work as well as the probe type. What I was looking for on the alignment settings was a starting point. I have only had this TR6 about a month and a half. Referring to another post you sent me, I think I am far from a show up and drive person. I have been working on this car since the day I got it. I do do autox/race on a budget and try to do the most myself and get the most bang for the buck. Thanks again for your responses, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:BillB at bnj.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:17 PM To: jim hearn; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Depends on your tires and the amount of camber gain you have. If you want to do it via measurement, you need to determine the camber gain and the typical deflection of the suspension. Not easy to do. Otherwise, get a tire temperature pyrometer and a skid pad (A big parking lot with no neighbors) and go round in circles until the tires heat up to more than 110. Measure the temperature at outside, middle and inside of each tire. Make sure you do circles in both directions. If the middle is hotter than the inside and outside, your tire pressure is too high. Decrease tire pressure until the middle is the same as one side. then read everything again. If the inside is more than a few degrees hotter than the outside then you are too negative. Or vice versa. Lather rinse repeat. Then use a camber guage to measure what you have, and there's the right answer. Here's the wrong one, but it's easier: Radials: 3 degrees negative, Bias Ply 0 degrees. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 7:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:34:19 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <000a01c7dc35$77f152f0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Jim: Try a bit of the sailboat deck paint which produces a gritty, non-skid surface. Might be able to find it at a hardware store or if not, certainly at a marine supply. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 11 10:38:49 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:38:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 08/11/2007 11:02:38 AM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > Jim... Most hardware stores sell abrasive strips used to make stair treads non-slip. You can cut them to size and apply them easily (they come with pressure sensitive adhesive). At least that's what we did. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 11 10:42:24 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> <000a01c7dc35$77f152f0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Message-ID: <008101c7dc36$9a921c80$4d13c548@RWKastner> They make a non-skid tape that you can get that will serve this purpose perfectly. Almost any boat store will have this stuff. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary To: jim hearn ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Jim: Try a bit of the sailboat deck paint which produces a gritty, non-skid surface. Might be able to find it at a hardware store or if not, certainly at a marine supply. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 12:10:42 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:10:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) ~Steve From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Aug 11 12:12:03 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:12:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:34:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintage.racer at comcast.net writes: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento I have dealt with this many times including hoards of Minis and my ex-GT6 and Spitfire. Take it out and turn it face down on a block of wood. Use you drill press or even a hand drill and drill a bunch of holes from the back side. You will get rough holes with burrs sticking up ward that give a nice aggressive grip to your shoe. I think a dull bit works better than a new one. You don't want a clean hole. 5/16" is about the right size. Jack Woehrle ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 11 13:02:44 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question In-Reply-To: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <20070811190310.8FFCB187640@autox.team.net> That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the flywheel toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification is to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts Northwest ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution and is a bit finicky to get to seal. Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in it, rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. - Tony Drews At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local >machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum >half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal >assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the >crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves >inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? > >Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) > >~Steve From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 13:22:12 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:22:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> <200708111502.1ijWez6SH3Nl34b1@mx-clapper.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c7dc4c$ebdccd90$0301000a@Chowdown> Thanks again, Tony. Y'know, I thought it looked like it was designed to pump the oil back into the block. It worked well before so I'm not going to do the mod. I'd call this an "Anti-Leak pump, rather than a seal. " :) ~Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Steve Belfer" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the flywheel > toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it > will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves > really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification is > to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts Northwest > ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined > off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. > Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I > believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal > so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution and > is a bit finicky to get to seal. > > Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the > end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of > the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the > crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). > > I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every > so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in it, > rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor > oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. > > - Tony Drews > > At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >>I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a >>local >>machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two >>aluminum >>half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main >>seal >>assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on >>the >>crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves >>inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >> >>Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) >> >>~Steve From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Aug 11 19:03:22 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:03:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you a lifetime. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Aug 11 19:05:29 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: Hi Jim, At 12:22 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >I have a laser no contact type and I assume these will work as >well as the probe type. Actually, they don't work as well. The laser contact type only measures the surface temps which change very quickly as you come off track. What you really need to measure is the internal temps which don't change quite as quickly (although they do still cool much faster than you'd think). That's why the probes work better. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Aug 12 08:02:04 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:02:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <000d01c7dce9$5d2d5090$6402a8c0@HOME> hmmmm thought about that too but dropped that idea speedly after a short test. The troublesome thing is "going on throttle". With much grip on the pedal surface the pedal don't slip smoothly along the shoe anymore which makes the ride very rough and dangerous when accelerating out of a corner. Cheers Chris At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you a lifetime. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Aug 12 10:27:27 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:27:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000d01c7dce9$5d2d5090$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <001d01c7dcfd$adf464a0$8902c818@Elliott> The story I always heard was that most race drivers back in the 50s used to wear moccasins made out of fine kid glove leather so they could really get a feel of that pedal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > hmmmm thought about that too but dropped that idea speedly after a short > test. > The troublesome thing is "going on throttle". With much grip on the pedal > surface the pedal don't slip smoothly along the shoe anymore which makes > the > ride very rough and dangerous when accelerating out of a corner. > > Cheers > Chris > > > At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: > >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph > accelerators? > I > >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber > or > >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come > up > with > >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > > Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece > of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you > some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you > a lifetime. > > > > R. John Lye > > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > tony at tonydrews.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 58tr3a at videotron.ca > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Aug 12 12:30:43 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:30:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go From niteseeker at aol.com Sun Aug 12 13:32:00 2007 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] more on speed record for triumph Message-ID: In May 1953 Ken Richardson, development engineer and test pilot ofTriumph, drove a TR2, fitted with a standard engine, and reached anaverage speed of 124,889 miles or 200,94 km per hour on the Jabbekemotorway. At that time an amazing speed for a volume production carwith a 2000 cc capacity. Ken Richardson, test pilot of BRM, was hiredin 1952 by Sir John Black - who was in charge of the Standard Triumphcompany in the post war period - to develop the "Triumph Sports 20 TS"prototype make a true sports car; so the TR2 was born. The TR2 was notonly as fast as his rival, the Austin Healey, but also cheaper to buyand more economical in use : an average 32 mpg petrol consumption or6,9 liter per 100 km with a 2 liter engine is even today a model ofeconomy. They had a anniversary run again in 2007 and if you can read German or Dutch may be able to find more on triumph speed records. <200708111502.1ijWez6SH3Nl34b1@mx-clapper.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000501c7dc4c$ebdccd90$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <002b01c7dd26$c7454590$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> there os a drain tube in the main bearing cap to drain the oil back into the oilpan Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Belfer" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Tony Drews" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > Thanks again, Tony. Y'know, I thought it looked like it was designed to > pump the oil back into the block. It worked well before so I'm not going > to > do the mod. > I'd call this an "Anti-Leak pump, rather than a seal. " :) > > ~Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Steve Belfer" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > > >> That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the >> flywheel >> toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it >> will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves >> really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification >> is >> to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts >> Northwest >> ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined >> off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. >> Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I >> believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal >> so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution >> and >> is a bit finicky to get to seal. >> >> Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the >> end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of >> the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the >> crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). >> >> I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every >> so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in >> it, >> rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor >> oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >>>I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a >>>local >>>machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two >>>aluminum >>>half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main >>>seal >>>assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on >>>the >>>crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the >>>grooves >>>inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>>pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >>> >>>Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) >>> >>>~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > stutzmans at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Aug 12 15:49:48 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? In-Reply-To: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> References: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <46BF807C.8000202@pobox.com> Ok, I'll admit it. I've screwed up and done this more than once. Rocker assembly not yet installed, but ... Ok, let's check to make sure the starter works - oops. Or, turn the engine over on the engine stand - oops. I've never had any trouble getting them back in though. Use a screw driver and/or magnetic tool to move it around until you can get a the magnetic pickup tool on the inside of the lifter. Then line it up over the lifter bore and use a screw driver to push it down into the bore. If it came out easily, it should go back easily. J.C. Hassall wrote: >I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker >assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its >bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the >bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to >slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of >patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for >the afternoon. > >Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy >Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. > >TIA > >jim From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 12 17:42:25 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 12 17:50:42 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070812235104.657D61879C1@autox.team.net> Uncle jack and Tony (Drews) will be there. I believe that Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer will be there too. Stop by and say hey! - Tony At 06:42 PM 8/12/2007, Doug Mitchell wrote: >Amici, > >Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream >Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to >Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. > >Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the >forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. > >At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something >to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. > >Cheers, > >Doug > >-- >Doug Mitchell >dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 >1973 Triumph Stag From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:27:51 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? References: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: You should be able to fiddle it back in. sometimes they get cocked a little. You might try a magnet applied to the edge while you hold the tappet down with the pushrod. I've been able to get them back in when I do exactly what you did--let the suction pull the tappet out. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of J.C. Hassall Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 11:30 AM To: FoT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:31:10 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan References: Message-ID: I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog. www.AllAluminumTour.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 12 18:41:36 2007 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: <380-2200781130413612@M2W014.mail2web.com> ...not necessarily in order of importance. Original Message: ----------------- From: Bill Babcock BillB at bnj.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700 To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog. www.AllAluminumTour.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot n197tr4 at cs.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:43:15 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: Actually you are looking at the source of many of those leaky Triumph jokes. Scroll seals, also called Labyrinth seals, work adequately on huge steam engines where there are scavenging pumps and oil/water separators between the seal segments but not so well on little four bangers with a wimpy drain pipe back to the crankcase (which has big variations in crankcase pressure). As others have said, you can get the scroll machined off and replace the silly thing with a somewhat compromised neoprene seal. these work better if you increase the spring pressure by shortening the innner spring a few turns. It's a worthwhile modification, all the steel cranks eliminate the scroll seal and use either a split seal or an unflanged end piece. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Steve Belfer Sent: Sat 8/11/2007 11:10 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) ~Steve billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sun Aug 12 18:43:12 2007 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:43:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: I've had this happen several times. I use an old push-rod for this. Just line up the offending lifter, insert the rod, wiggle it around a bit, and tap GENTLY to get it back in the bore. Never fails and using the lifter insures that the inside of the tappet will not be harmed! Good luck. John ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 12 19:36:07 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:36:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: I'll be there all weekend...Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: n197tr4 at cs.com> To: billb at bnj.com; dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:36 -0400> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > ...not necessarily in order of importance.> > Original Message:> -----------------> From: Bill Babcock BillB at bnj.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > > I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog.> > www.AllAluminumTour.com> > > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell> Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM> To: Friends of Triumph> Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > Amici,> > Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream> Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to> Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800.> > Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the> forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it.> > At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something> to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday.> > Cheers,> > Doug> > --> Doug Mitchell> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500> 1973 Triumph Stag> billb at bnj.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> n197tr4 at cs.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> mail2web - Check your email from the web at> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > greenman62 at hotmail.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 12 22:55:15 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <000001c7dd66$23e39ab0$2b24b348@blake1> Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible for raising me to admire all things mechanical he is also the one to blame for my illness that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. After dismantling his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, he told me I could have it if I got it running. I am still not certain if he realized what he got us both into. Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is currently without. He seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing and a 250 for the street. I figure reading the great posts on this list might help push him over the edge and commit to one or both. Regardless I am sure it will revive many memories of working on TRs together. Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can have a father son racing team. Thanks, Greg From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 12 22:51:01 2007 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:51:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <380-2200781134511240@M2W035.mail2web.com> 2nd! i vote for father/son tr4 racing team. joe a Original Message: ----------------- From: Greg & Alison Blake ablake2 at austin.rr.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0500 To: fot at autox.team.net, rblake36 at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] nomination Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible for raising me to admire all things mechanical he is also the one to blame for my illness that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. After dismantling his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, he told me I could have it if I got it running. I am still not certain if he realized what he got us both into. Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is currently without. He seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing and a 250 for the street. I figure reading the great posts on this list might help push him over the edge and commit to one or both. Regardless I am sure it will revive many memories of working on TRs together. Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can have a father son racing team. Thanks, Greg n197tr4 at cs.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From chris at tr4-racing.de Mon Aug 13 03:07:43 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:07:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: <007d01c7dd89$69226bb0$6402a8c0@HOME> I use a long wrench extension to fit the tappet in. By accident my wrench extension has about the same inside diameter as the tappet. With the pusrod or a screwdriver I upright the tappet, then I slip in the wrench extension and with the extension the tappet is centered and slip in very easy. Try it! cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:29:31 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:51 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Thread-Index: AcfdDv2bCpkouJS7SNCdK+yK0t+FrQAMcsr8 From: "Bill Babcock" To: "J.C. Hassall" , "FoT" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: You should be able to fiddle it back in. sometimes they get cocked a little. You might try a magnet applied to the edge while you hold the tappet down with the pushrod. I've been able to get them back in when I do exactly what you did--let the suction pull the tappet out. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of J.C. Hassall Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 11:30 AM To: FoT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 07:10:34 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <000001c7dd66$23e39ab0$2b24b348@blake1> Message-ID: <319930.28743.qm@web83114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member of this exteemed group. Doug --- Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > for raising me to > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > blame for my illness > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. > After dismantling > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, > he told me I could > have it if I got it running. I am still not certain > if he realized what > he got us both into. > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > currently without. He > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > and a 250 for the > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > list might help push > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > Regardless I am sure it > will revive many memories of working on TRs > together. > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > have a father son > racing team. > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 07:12:25 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <319930.28743.qm@web83114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79708.43299.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That should have been esteemed group, but maybe... --- Doug Mitchell wrote: > I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their > own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member > of this exteemed group. > > Doug > > --- Greg & Alison Blake > wrote: > > > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > > for raising me to > > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > > blame for my illness > > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this > list. > > After dismantling > > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years > ago, > > he told me I could > > have it if I got it running. I am still not > certain > > if he realized what > > he got us both into. > > > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > > currently without. He > > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > > and a 250 for the > > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > > list might help push > > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > > Regardless I am sure it > > will revive many memories of working on TRs > > together. > > > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > > have a father son > > racing team. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 07:52:14 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Terry Stetler wrote: > Interesting. Top speed number is higher than the HP number. A very efficient > package. Yep. I'd actually like to see the drag coefficient numbers for Peyote. They have to be very low to get that sort of top speed. This speaks volumes to the design and implimentation of that car. It's so simple but so effective. > Terry Stetler regards, rml p.s. Yes, I'm a Peyote fan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 07:56:07 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Why would you want to do this? I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my foot to stick to the accelerator. With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 13 09:11:45 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator. The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any pressure. Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > Why would you want to do this? > > I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my > foot to stick to the accelerator. > > With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 09:18:38 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > > Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... Ya, either that or we're not very "fast" =:-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Aug 13 09:24:03 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off due to the metal pedal surface. One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I put them on the pedals. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 13 09:35:44 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:35:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 08/13/2007 10:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > Amici... As previously stated, I use a narrow anti-skid strip on both my brake and accelerator pedals. I like that, but in fact it may be just what I'm used to. A side note...long term there's a price to pay. There's a small area on the sole of my right driver shoe wearing faster than the balance. Soon to be a hole. Got to be from the abrasive strips. But these are VERY old driver's shoes that should have been replaced long ago (I've a brand new pair on the shelf). BUT...you know how guys get attached to stuff. Old driver's shoes, a smelly helmet, undershorts, etc. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 13 10:02:25 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:02:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C08091.7060104@bradakis.com> I'm back from my trip to my father's funeral, I'll be working on catching up on email over the next few days. What address are you using for me? mjb. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 13 10:41:04 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <26613930.10979011187023264437.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I am with both of you guys. Never even thought of putting anything on the gas pedal. I grew up driving a 55 VW that had a roller for a gas pedal. Kind of like a skate wheel on a stick. Worked great, just keep your heel planted on the floor and push. Dean >From: Robert Lang >Date: 2007/08/13 Mon AM 10:18:38 CDT >To: Henry Frye >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators >On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > >> I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding >> the accelerator. >> >> The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal >> area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards >> the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small >> all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the >> right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving >> too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you >> didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any >> pressure. >> >> Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... > >Ya, either that or we're not very "fast" > >=:-) > >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 13 11:03:39 2007 From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <081320071703.5807.46C08EEB000440BA000016AF2160281060990E04D2069D@att.net> I second the second and vote for the TR-4 vintage racer. That is what I race and we need more of them. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their > own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member > of this exteemed group. > > Doug > > --- Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > > > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > > for raising me to > > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > > blame for my illness > > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. > > After dismantling > > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, > > he told me I could > > have it if I got it running. I am still not certain > > if he realized what > > he got us both into. > > > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > > currently without. He > > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > > and a 250 for the > > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > > list might help push > > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > > Regardless I am sure it > > will revive many memories of working on TRs > > together. > > > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > > have a father son > > racing team. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > westerneagleracing at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Aug 13 14:54:46 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:54:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering Wheel Message-ID: My son sent me this...some may enjoy Paul Man this looks like a lot of fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqTR07nSdFg&mode=related&search= This is a guy playing a pc game called GTR and he is using the Logitech G25 wheel. Wheel specs: Control 9000 Rotation: Go 2= times around lock to lock, or switch to 2000 to support standard games. Dual-Motor Force Feedback: Experience the silkiest, smoothest, most powerful force feedback yet. Feel every inch of the road for maximum control. Metal Gas and Brake Pedals: Get instant response with true-to-life pedals. 6 Speed Stick Shift: The first and only racing system with a true 6-speed stick shift for the ultimate in control. You can chose between sequential shifting or use F-1 style, wheel-mounted shifters. Comfort Hand-Stitched Leather: Keep your hands comfortable with this seamless 11-inch wheel. Too bad the wheel cost 255$ http://pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?product_id=14389&product_subtypes_id=454&prod uct_types_id=51 Just thought I would share. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Aug 13 15:42:49 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:42:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question In-Reply-To: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <02d401c7ddf2$e4c5f070$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the > pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches that seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole back into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong instructions as to how small to grind the crank. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 16:52:20 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <004001c7ddfc$9b582250$64092218@alex> I beaded mine up with better than match head size weld spots . I did not like the smooth feeling rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "jim hearn" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > >> Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? >> I >> was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >> maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up >> with >> a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > Why would you want to do this? > > I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my foot to stick > to the accelerator. > > With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Mon Aug 13 20:43:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:43:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Im going to have to join the weirdos that like slippery pedals. I don't put anything on mine. My cheater TR3 had tilton pedals that were serrated, and I couldn't heel and toe it to save my life. I ground them smooth and solved the problem -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off due to the metal pedal surface. One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I put them on the pedals. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Mon Aug 13 20:46:13 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: Message-ID: Dont remind me. I had to toss a pair of fireproof socks this week that found their way into the conventional laundry bag. Diane wouldn't permit them back into the car. My drivers shoes have broken strap loops on the top. I'm looking for a way to repair them. i don't like new driving apparel--I trust the old stuff. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:35 AM To: henry at henryfrye.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In a message dated 08/13/2007 10:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > Amici... As previously stated, I use a narrow anti-skid strip on both my brake and accelerator pedals. I like that, but in fact it may be just what I'm used to. A side note...long term there's a price to pay. There's a small area on the sole of my right driver shoe wearing faster than the balance. Soon to be a hole. Got to be from the abrasive strips. But these are VERY old driver's shoes that should have been replaced long ago (I've a brand new pair on the shelf). BUT...you know how guys get attached to stuff. Old driver's shoes, a smelly helmet, undershorts, etc. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Aug 13 20:49:22 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> <02d401c7ddf2$e4c5f070$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <000901c7de1d$b9a86ff0$6401a8c0@TER2> The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance between the crankshaft scroll and the alluminum housing. The factory setup gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been "remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" on the diameter. That works great on a tight engine. There is vitually no leakage unless the engine is reved over 6,000 rpm. At reves over 6,000 the crank begins to flex and it allows a little oil out. For street engines and mild race engines this "blueprinted" seal is the ticket as far as I am concerned. For a high RPM race engine we weld up the threaded area and have it remachined to the original major diameter of the threads and then remachine the original seal holder to use a Chrysler 383 cu in engine 2 piece rubber lip seal. This setup does not leak a drop at engine speed over 7200 rpm. With either of this seal arrangement, concentricity is very iimportant. We will not build and engine using the "Split one piece seal" as sold by Moss. I have tried them 4 times, each time it has taken 5 or 6 hours or more of setup to get the alloy seal holders to fit the block correctly and the seals have still leaked at least a little, sometimes a lot!. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question >> If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >> pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? > > A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches > that > seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole > back > into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, > and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. > > Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong > instructions as to how small to grind the crank. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it > may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of > its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and > not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. > If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for > delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that > you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 21:34:42 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <004d01c7de24$1fe44130$64092218@alex> as far as heal and toe " fagettaboutit "I have rigged a bike brake handle to the shift lever the cable runs to the throutle any time i have to shift the gas is in my hand ,It makes it easy and consistant to blend gears rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Im going to have to join the weirdos that like slippery pedals. I don't > put > anything on mine. My cheater TR3 had tilton pedals that were serrated, and > I > couldn't heel and toe it to save my life. I ground them smooth and solved > the > problem > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of > spitfiresuz at 141.com > Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:24 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me > all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it > to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off > due > to the metal pedal surface. > > One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car > or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a > more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I > put them on the pedals. > > Susan :) > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Aug 13 22:08:19 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/12/07 5:29:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BillB at bnj.com writes: << One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. >> I did the exact same thing several years ago. After carefully installing a new steel head gasket and the head, I removed one of the pushrods, and out came the lifter. After a few hours of trying to juggle the lifter back into the hole, off came the head again. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Aug 14 05:52:33 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:52:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: <12751845.286471187092353874.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> I will have to say that I have used Greg's remade seals in at least three street engines and in my TR3A race motor. They work!. Save your old seals and send them to Greg. Dean T. >From: Greg Solow >Date: 2007/08/13 Mon PM 09:49:22 CDT >To: Randall Young , 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question >The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance >between the crankshaft scroll and the alluminum housing. The factory setup >gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been >"remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" >on the diameter. That works great on a tight engine. There is vitually no >leakage unless the engine is reved over 6,000 rpm. At reves over 6,000 the >crank begins to flex and it allows a little oil out. For street engines and >mild race engines this "blueprinted" seal is the ticket as far as I am >concerned. > For a high RPM race engine we weld up the threaded area and have it >remachined to the original major diameter of the threads and then remachine >the original seal holder to use a Chrysler 383 cu in engine 2 piece rubber >lip seal. This setup does not leak a drop at engine speed over 7200 rpm. > With either of this seal arrangement, concentricity is very iimportant. > We will not build and engine using the "Split one piece seal" as sold by >Moss. I have tried them 4 times, each time it has taken 5 or 6 hours or more >of setup to get the alloy seal holders to fit the block correctly and the >seals have still leaked at least a little, sometimes a lot!. > >Greg Solow >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Randall Young" >To: "'Friends of Triumph'" >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:42 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > > >>> If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>> pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >> >> A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches >> that >> seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole >> back >> into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, >> and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. >> >> Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong >> instructions as to how small to grind the crank. >> >> Randall >> (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it >> may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of >> its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or >> entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and >> not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. >> If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >> delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that >> you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, >> dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, >> please immediately notify the sender by return mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Aug 14 08:48:34 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum hubs Message-ID: <200708141448.l7EEmiAL229103@ns3.geneseo.net> Southwick aluminum front hubs are available for shipping. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6 Price $565 plus shipping, per pair. Includes all bearings, studs, seals, dust cap. For those who have sent in a deposit, you will be contacted by Southwick, if it hasn't happened already. If you are not on the list but have decided to purchase these, please contact Southwick Machine and Design at 309-949-2868 Thanks for putting up with messages about this on the lists -- NFI -- just trying to help the sport. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Aug 14 09:08:29 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:08:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/07 7:49:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes: << The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance between the crankshaft scroll and the aluminum housing. The factory setup gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been "remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" on the diameter. >> The best luck I have had to minimize leakage (not stop it) was to not take the original seal off of the block. Of course if you are going to have the block boiled or line bored, you have to. The original seals seem to be of a better quality than the after market seals you buy today, and that the British were good at centralizing them. I have installed several of these seals using a mandrel a machinist made for me, which Hardy says is slightly off size. If I get into trouble again, I will take a bunch of micrometer readings on the mandrel, and probably try one of Greg's seals. Most people racing TR's leave off the bottom transmission dust covers. This will hopefully allow any leakage to escape and not oil the clutch.


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Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 14 10:19:10 2007 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] aluminum hubs In-Reply-To: <200708141448.l7EEmiAL229103@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <549178.62355.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack, Are the heavy duty axle kits that go with the hubs still available? Thumbs Up. Steve "Jack W. Drews" wrote: Southwick aluminum front hubs are available for shipping. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6 Price $565 plus shipping, per pair. Includes all bearings, studs, seals, dust cap. For those who have sent in a deposit, you will be contacted by Southwick, if it hasn't happened already. If you are not on the list but have decided to purchase these, please contact Southwick Machine and Design at 309-949-2868 Thanks for putting up with messages about this on the lists -- NFI -- just trying to help the sport. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Aug 14 12:35:22 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:35:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: I knew a Swedish girl who would drive her White Spitfire Mk.2 barefoot, she said it made driving a more sensual experience! L From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 13:09:55 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:09:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers Message-ID: All, I need 24 high-shear strength studs, 5/16"-24 2" long. My favorite resources McMaster, Aircraft Spruce and Pegasus have failed me. Any ideas team? Also, I would like some recommendations for an enclosed car carrier company, to transport Rags to its new digs in New Mexico. I cannot tow Rags; I'll already be driving a 26' truck towing a car on a trailer, with Pam driving the wagon with 4 dogs and towing the bikes on a trailer. TIA, Shane _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From ryoung at navcomtech.com Tue Aug 14 15:05:33 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:05:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <042201c7deb6$da8e4700$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > I need 24 high-shear strength studs, 5/16"-24 2" long. MMC has threaded rod in 4140 (125,000 psi tensile). You could cut your own studs out of that. http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3087 99086A190 Or if that's not strong enough, call up ARP and see if they have something. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From britbits at tiu.net Tue Aug 14 22:13:26 2007 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:13:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? Message-ID: <005201c7def2$a147fd10$0201a8c0@DFWJBXC1> I'm trying to help a friend figure out what to order from ARP for main bearing cap retaining hardware. He'd prefer to go with studs rather than bolts. Anyone figured this one out already? TIA Jim Dallas/DENVER From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 15 06:58:41 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:58:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Message-ID: Amici Are there any Triumphs amongst us that are participating in this year's historics? I will be there with at least two of my children, maybe three. Needless to say in any event it will be a trip up the coast line in an SUV rather than a sportscar. I thought about taking the old Mercedes 6.9, but the memories of how they trashed the inside of the rental minivan on the last trip are still too vivid in my mind. Cary ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 15 07:42:47 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? References: <005201c7def2$a147fd10$0201a8c0@DFWJBXC1> Message-ID: I've found the key with ARP is to call up and hope you get the right guy. I don't know his name, but there's a guy there that knows every part they make. You tell him what you need and he rattles off the part numbers. I've found him twice now, so it's not impossible. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Jim Sent: Tue 8/14/2007 9:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? I'm trying to help a friend figure out what to order from ARP for main bearing cap retaining hardware. He'd prefer to go with studs rather than bolts. Anyone figured this one out already? TIA Jim Dallas/DENVER billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Wed Aug 15 08:52:23 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] IRL TESTING Message-ID: <009701c7df4b$e5520f10$208cb304@Bud> Hi Gang...For those close to INFINEON...IRL testing this Thursday 8/16 1030-430 Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Aug 15 09:51:58 2007 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:51:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] IRL TESTING Message-ID: If you get into the Hot Pits, go to the Penske spot of Helio Castroneves. Look for the kid at the computers or ask "Where's Yeager?" Introduce yourself to my son Aaron and tell him you are a Triumph friend of mine. I have fun sending people to him in all parts of the country. Enjoy yourself, Dave Yeager ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:59:36 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers Message-ID: Randall, Thanks for writing. I am using these studs in the hubs, so I would be concerned that the 120,000 psi studs from McMaster are not up to the job. ARP has them threaded coarse at one end, fine at the other, 170,000 psi - should not be a problem. But they are $3.08 each! Ouch. Cheers, Shane _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 16:46:57 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] lime rock Message-ID: <005001c7df8e$30cb04f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> does anybody, who will be at Lime Rock, have extra crew passes for 2 completely unworthy WPTA guys? Bruce From LOddTR at aol.com Wed Aug 15 17:35:32 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:35:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Cookout at Roebling Road VDCA Races - September 7, 8, 9 Message-ID: The upcoming races at Roebling Road will surely provide the best racing value of the season. The two day race weekend, by VDCA and SCCA Vintage, will be kicked off with a Friday test day. Only one thing could make the weekend better than that - A FATBASTARD COOKOUT! Based on the demands of our fellow Triumph racers, we will hold our third burgers and dogs dinner at the Triumph Ghetto The date and time are a bit foggy right now but will become clearer when the hangover goes away. Keep an eye on that inbox for further updates. In the mean time, get your entry in by going to the VDCA website and following the instructions for online registration. _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) Oh yeah, buy a lot of fuel. You're gonna need it! Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton & Don Marshall ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 20:21:32 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:21:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] barnfinds Message-ID: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> This may be old hat to some listers But i had to pass this on anyway ..............check out WWW.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm This barn was purchased with out looking inside or so the story goes rob From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 15 22:34:48 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] barnfinds In-Reply-To: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> References: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> Message-ID: <46C3D3E7.7050605@verizon.net> That one has been around awhile. It is partly true. See here. http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/barnfind.asp Cheers, Kurt O. rob wrote: >This may be old hat to some listers But i had to pass this on anyway >..............check out WWW.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm This barn was >purchased with out looking inside or so the story goes rob >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 16 00:18:47 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:18:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] St. Louis SCCA National Races this past weekend Message-ID: I went downt to St. Louis for my second event this year. It's much closer to my house (only 2.5 hours) and the track is fun, but not many places to pass and it uses part of the oval. Practice was good. I went out on the old tires to shake down the car and make sure nothing was wrong. 14 laps...turned a 1:17.8 without much trying. The rest of saturday was spent at the hotel in the air-con as it was 100 degrees out. Qualifying was on Sunday morning. I put the good tires on and headed out. I did about 6 laps and got down to a 1.15.9, good enough for 2nd of the 7 HP cars that showed up. Pole for HP was a 1.15.3. At race time it was 105 out. The HP pole sitter ended up starting from the back with a different car in a different class then switched to the HP car. So...it was me on point. I got the worst start I've ever had, and lost first. I followed for a few laps and then tried to pass in a spot that isn't for passing, but I needed to get by there to pull out a lead before the straight. I couldn't make it stick, so I sat behind and waited for a while. Water temp was a consistent 230 deg F and oil temp ran about 270 def F. It didn't make noise and kept running and didn't climb so I just ran with it. After about 15 laps the faster classes started lapping us. The clases may be faster in lap time, but through the twisty section they aren't as fast. One got by me going into the infield section and that allowed the HP leader to put a huge gap on me. So I decided I'd ride it out to the end. With 2 laps (i didn't know this though) to go I started onto the front straight and the car dropped to 3 cylinders. I decided just to run it until it blew...it's either something simple that won't hurt it, or something bad and it's already to late. as I got onto the front straight the HP leader had a big time engine blow-up. So I continued on figure the race had to be about over so I continued on 3 cylinders. Under all the smoke and stuff i missed the starters 1 to go signal. When i came back around I took the checkered flag and my first SCCA National win! It was a good weekend...motor problem was only a broken intake pushrod...it's fixed and I'm in Pennsylvania going to Pocono this weekend! Aaron Johnson #87 H-Prod Spitfire MkIV Southern Illinois Region SCCA http://hpspitfire.servebeer.com From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 16 00:20:19 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19 Message-ID: For those of you with nothing to do this weekend... SCCA National Races at Pocono International Raceway. I've travelled all the way from Illinois to run. Looks like one other Spitfire on the entry list...It should be a fun weekend. Information is at www.triregionracing.org Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 06:50:43 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19 Message-ID: Cool Runnings, Aaron... I'll be a GrattanGreg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:20:19 -0400> From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19> > For those of you with nothing to do this weekend...> > SCCA National Races at Pocono International Raceway. I've travelled all the way from Illinois to run.> > Looks like one other Spitfire on the entry list...It should be a fun weekend. Information is at www.triregionracing.org> > Aaron Johnson> #87 HP Spitfire 1500> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > greenman62 at hotmail.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 16 08:40:26 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September Message-ID: FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 08:47:36 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:47:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Hi Joe, I plan making this one, missed it last year. Kev Lynch, GT6 #6 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 09:03:43 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:03:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the wise however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, we've 60 cars already confirmed. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 10:01:14 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:01:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hastings is a long haul from Albuquerque, but still on my "Maybe" list. Does anyone know the specific run groups yet? Curious if my DP TR4 would go into a small bore or big/small bore group. RMVR web-page on run groups lists everything but DP. Greg Hilyer TR4 #314 On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the > wise > however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, > we've 60 > cars already confirmed. > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September > > > FoT, > > A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will > be my first > view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I > could use two > and would try to be useful. > > We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until > Sunday. > Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some > guys are > coming in > from OK & TX? > > Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) > > Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". > > Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > klynch_6 at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Thu Aug 16 10:57:18 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:57:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roebling Road Sept 7,8,9 Message-ID: <010401c7e026$820911c0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> If you're anywhere near the South next month and you like low key events with LOTS of track time you should make a point of coming to the VDCA/SCCA vintage event at Roebling Rd. The actual race weekend is two days (Saturday/Sunday) so the rate is very low in spite of all the track time. In addition, the track is having a test/tune day on Friday that typically generates so much track time that some of us haven't been able to handle it all. Last time Leo ran all 7 sessions on Friday and logged over 3 hours just that day. I could only manage 5 sessions before I decided I'd had enough fun for one day. We'll be doing a FatBastard cookout and wine tasting on Friday evening at the new improved Triumph ghetto near turn 3 so, if you're in the area, please come by. Don From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 10:59:20 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:59:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Greg, you'd be put with 'fast' small bore. That group usually has 30+ cars in it. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: KEVIN LYNCH Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September Hastings is a long haul from Albuquerque, but still on my "Maybe" list. Does anyone know the specific run groups yet? Curious if my DP TR4 would go into a small bore or big/small bore group. RMVR web-page on run groups lists everything but DP. Greg Hilyer TR4 #314 On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the > wise > however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, > we've 60 > cars already confirmed. > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com> > To: fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September > > > FoT, > > A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will > be my first > view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I > could use two > and would try to be useful. > > We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until > Sunday. > Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some > guys are > coming in > from OK & TX? > > Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) > > Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". > > Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > klynch_6 at msn.com> > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Catpusher at aol.com Thu Aug 16 12:54:42 2007 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:54:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 speed & Laguna Message-ID: In the early days of running the ARRC at Road Atlanta, my race tires, and thus the TR3, were narrow. The Georgia State Patrol took speed readings down in the dip, and mine was posted at 142 MPH. I had a G3 cam and other items from the Kas Prep Book, so probably about 165 BMP. Ellie and I are about to depart for Laguna. We will be with GP1A car # 3 with the Dennison Group Hardy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 16 13:33:41 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:33:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club Message-ID: FoT, Here is a website for the new track in Iowa http://www.lamonzaclub.com/ I dont know how these important things get under my radar. But it did. Breaking ground this fall. I just found out about it. On I-35 between Minneapolis and Des Moines. It is another country club track and it is 2.9 miles for the full track. I am amazed. But encouraged. I'd like to think it will be successful. The name "LA MONZA" throws me a bit. At least they didnt try to draw on the "FIELD OF DREAMS" theme. Joe Alexander From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:14:55 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:14:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club References: Message-ID: Joe, that La Monza link seems deceased. Kevin Lynch www.highplainsraceway.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club FoT, Here is a website for the new track in Iowa http://www.lamonzaclub.com/> I dont know how these important things get under my radar. But it did. Breaking ground this fall. I just found out about it. On I-35 between Minneapolis and Des Moines. It is another country club track and it is 2.9 miles for the full track. I am amazed. But encouraged. I'd like to think it will be successful. The name "LA MONZA" throws me a bit. At least they didnt try to draw on the "FIELD OF DREAMS" theme. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:24:20 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:24:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza Message-ID: http://www.lamonzaclub.com/facility.asp Kevin From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:28:31 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:28:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza References: Message-ID: oops ! then click on the 'Facility' button in their toolbar. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN LYNCH To: FOT ; Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza http://www.lamonzaclub.com/facility.asp sp> Kevin _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Robertten1 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 20:07:02 2007 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:07:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] red floor mats for SPITFIRE on ebay Message-ID: WOW $106 for those red rubber floor mats for a Spitfire! Someone really wanted them bad. Makes me want to go dig through my spares to find the White Set I have for Spitfires, LoL. No, I'll hold on to them a while longer. I guess its true what they say about Ebay, people are paying stupid money for things they want. Sorry for the babble, Bob T. (Autocrossing next weekend will get my mind off those stupid mats) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From koblinger at verizon.net Fri Aug 17 09:03:05 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:03:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] O/T Building Triumph Bikes Message-ID: <22399445.9178621187362985903.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> A short vid on the manufacture of current Triumph bikes. Good to see they have stayed with some of the traditional methods! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc Cheers, Kurt O. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 17 13:49:12 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:49:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From chasgee at aol.com Fri Aug 17 12:49:13 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <8C9AF1670BE6826-964-4F0E@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Aug 17 13:20:27 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:20:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ryoung at navcomtech.com Fri Aug 17 13:27:48 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:27:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Just so I am clear on the topic; this is the "Salisbury" type LSD, that will still transmit power even if one wheel is in the air, right ? Put me down for at least one, maybe two. I've only been on the autoX course a couple of times, but both times having a rear wheel in the air was by far the biggest problem I had, even with sway bars. I'll pick them up at Ken's. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Charly Mitchel > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs > > I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated > cost. The > unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from > customs and the > shipping to each individual buyer. > > Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the > local shipping > costs. > This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. > Please let me know if > you're interested. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > ryoung at navcomtech.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files > transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to > NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence > and not disclosed to third parties without the written > consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient > or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail > to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received > this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this > electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the > sender by return mail. > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 20:06:30 2007 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:06:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head gasket fo ra milled head Message-ID: <000901c7e13c$64a6f860$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox> I have begun to assemble my new motor expecting to have to trim the head gasket for the .075 I took off the head. Oddly enough the shape of the compression ring on the new gasket matches the combustion chamber perfectly. The compression rings are almost oval. I compared it to the original gasket and the original is perfectly round to match the liners. One thing though, I will require perfect alighnment of the gasket on the liners as the compression rings are right on the interior edge of the bore. I have + .030 pistons in it. any idea's on what will happen if I get a bit of the gasket hanging over ? Jim Gray ( RMVR newbie ) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Aug 18 08:00:08 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:00:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 head gasket fo ra milled head Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/07 7:07:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: << any idea's on what will happen if I get a bit of the gasket hanging over ? > > Kass's book: Possible detonation or pre-ignition, though I have done it before when in a hurry. I have occasionally installed a steel head gasket with no ground off areas to match the combustion chamber. Never noticed any difference, but not a good idea. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 21:06:54 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c7e20d$ff83abe0$c52a144c@computer> Hi Chuck, I could definitely go for one. Let me know what you need. Thanks, Jim Hearn Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: Chasgee at aol.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 21:08:18 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:08:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c7e20e$318137c0$c52a144c@computer> Sorry Chuck. It's for a '74 TR6. Jim Hearn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: Chasgee at aol.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Aug 19 07:31:36 2007 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:31:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] lime rock References: <005001c7df8e$30cb04f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <002401c7e265$43fd3370$6401a8c0@LoriMajor> Bruce, did you get any replies? Ed Ed Major '58 TR3, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stutzman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: [Fot] lime rock > does anybody, who will be at Lime Rock, have extra crew passes for 2 > completely unworthy WPTA guys? > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > ejmajor250 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Aug 19 11:03:14 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> <01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c7e282$d557b7b0$0502a8c0@desktop> Randall, I believe this is correct. What I understand is the "Salisbury" type LSD is now manufactured under the Tran-x name(http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html). As far if is a direct copy of the "Salisbury" type LSD, I'm not positive. I can check into that for you if you like. I was told this will fit TR-4 as well as TR4A, TR250, and TR6, probably Stag, TVR, and Triumph saloons that use the same center housing as a TR6. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs > Just so I am clear on the topic; this is the "Salisbury" type LSD, that > will > still transmit power even if one wheel is in the air, right ? > > Put me down for at least one, maybe two. I've only been on the autoX > course > a couple of times, but both times having a rear wheel in the air was by > far > the biggest problem I had, even with sway bars. I'll pick them up at > Ken's. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Charly Mitchel >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs >> >> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated >> cost. The >> unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from >> customs and the >> shipping to each individual buyer. >> >> Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the >> local shipping >> costs. >> This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. >> Please let me know if >> you're interested. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> ryoung at navcomtech.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files >> transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to >> NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >> whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence >> and not disclosed to third parties without the written >> consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient >> or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail >> to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received >> this electronic mail in error and that any use, >> dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this >> electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the >> sender by return mail. >> > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it > may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of > its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and > not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. > If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for > delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that > you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 18:44:33 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:44:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: Charley, I have a Salisbury, and I sure would like to pick up a spare set of clutch plates. Could you see if they are the same between Salisbury and Tran-X? I wonder what the price is for plates alone? Thx, Shane Ingate Charley Mitchell wrote: >Randall, I believe this is correct. What I understand is the "Salisbury" >type LSD is now manufactured under the Tran-x >name(http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html). As far if is a direct copy >of the "Salisbury" type LSD, I'm not positive. I can check into that for >you if you like. I was told this will fit TR-4 as well as TR4A, TR250, and >TR6, probably Stag, TVR, and Triumph saloons that use the same center >housing as a TR6. >Charly Mitchel _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From herald948 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 08:02:13 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [triumph_herald] What 1147 engine parts or 3 rail gearbox parts are of value? In-Reply-To: <275623.9769.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <275623.9769.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9B149D7C830D1-CFC-9BDD@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> [forwarded for Lance; please reply to HIM at the address below, not to me, if you're interested in any 1147 engine bits] -----Original Message----- From: Lance Smith Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:56 am Subject: [triumph_herald] What 1147 engine parts or 3 rail gearbox parts are of value? I am emptying my garage of spares that I won't need. I sold some carbs, one engine and distributor, but the rest has not generated any interest. A buddy told me that the 1147 crank is desireable by itself. If I disassembled the engine, someone might buy the crank. Are there other parts like this? The local scrap metal guys don't pay for iron, but will take it for free. I'm getting serious about emptying the garage in order to move on to other projects. lance, nor cal ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 20 09:08:52 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Speaking of Tran-X Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone on the list running a Tran-X SL72 dog box? Just curious. It's a "direct replacement for a Ford Type 9". I imagine with the dollar / pound that it be expensive, but I don't recall having ever seen a discussion on the topic here. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Mon Aug 20 14:37:40 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> Message-ID: <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is just wrong on so many levels. http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C000091&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Aug 20 15:40:57 2007 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <003201c7e372$cdb4e5f0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Can you say faster than a triumph Hmmmmmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: "Jim Bauder" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? > This is just wrong on so many levels. > > http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C000091&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > wensley_tr at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 20 15:52:41 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: I knew a guy who built an MGA with a 289 Ford HiPo K code engine for a customer many years ago. According to my friend, about 7 hours after delivery the customer wrapped it around a phone pole. Some things should never be done. This is one of them. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: Jim Bauder Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? This is just wrong on so many levels. http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C00009 1&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Aug 20 18:23:44 2007 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:23:44 +1000 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs Message-ID: <20070821002344.MLDR23432.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. Other TR's have same set Thanks Terry O'Beirne From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 21 06:38:47 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:38:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] New member nominee Message-ID: I would like to nominate Bill Tobin for membership in the fot. I met Bill at Grattan this weekend where he was piloting his very pretty red TR6. I don't get to propse names often... Bill will make a fine addition to our ranks. Please send him a bill for dues and let him know that he's now FOTcretary;o) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 21 06:42:37 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070821124320.17B5D1879BE@autox.team.net> I'll second that! I met Bill at Grattan too. He's enthusiastic and looking for information as he enters the vintage racing scene. We discussed a book that VSCDA handed out in the drivers school, and next thing I know he's bought one for Jack and me. What a nice guy! - Tony Drews At 07:38 AM 8/21/2007, greenman62 at hotmail.com wrote: >I would like to nominate Bill Tobin for membership in the fot. > >I met Bill at Grattan this weekend where he was piloting his very pretty red >TR6. >I don't get to propse names often... Bill will make a fine addition to our >ranks. > >Please send him a bill for dues and let him know that he's now FOTcretary;o) > >Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking >its territory... From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 21 09:00:42 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:00:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] New member nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 7:43:16 AM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > I'll second that! I met Bill at Grattan too. He's enthusiastic and > looking for information as he enters the vintage racing scene. We > discussed a book that VSCDA handed out in the drivers school, and > next thing I know he's bought one for Jack and me. Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known professional driving instructor. The books was financed by the Vintage Motorsports Council, and the VSCDA bought a stash to use in our Driver's Schools. We also sell them in our Regalia Booths, and via the headquarters office. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Aug 21 09:49:47 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:49:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor Message-ID: Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known professional driving instructor. The author's name is E.Paul Dickinson who holds FIA,ALMS,Grand AM & SCCA licences. We too @ RMVR, utilize these handbooks. Every student in our Driver's School gets one. A valuable little tool & as an aside, neat'art deco' cover work by artist Mark Bender. Kev Lynch GT6 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 10:02:51 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor References: Message-ID: <004201c7e40c$b9f23ff0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Kevin: This is an excellent book and our club, CSRG, purchased a quantity and made them available to all the members. This is a good book for both new and experienced drivers alike. Gary TR4, TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor > Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's > full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known > professional driving instructor. > > > The author's name is E.Paul Dickinson who holds FIA,ALMS,Grand AM & SCCA > licences. > We too @ RMVR, utilize these handbooks. Every student in our Driver's > School > gets one. A valuable little tool & as an aside, neat'art deco' cover work > by > artist Mark Bender. > > Kev Lynch > GT6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 21 10:53:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:53:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: Radio Personality Paul Harvey frequently draws upon the wit and wisdom of Ron Dentinger....ya, that Dentinger Family. Ron recently sent this to Paul Harvey for his use on his radio show: "You know that you are overweight when your host steers you away from the WICKER CHAIRS". I guess this fits in well with Bill Babcock's recent commentaries on the current state of Midwestern Midsections. I suspect that this thread all began with Bill when we had dinner in a Geneseo, Illinois restaurant I ordered CHEESE with my Hash Browns...along with a greasy full platter of Pork Ribs. Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 21 11:08:22 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:08:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 11:53:36 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Radio Personality Paul Harvey frequently draws upon the wit and wisdom of > Ron Dentinger....ya, that Dentinger Family. > > Ron recently sent this to Paul Harvey for his use on his radio show: > > "You know that you are overweight when your host steers you away from the > WICKER CHAIRS". > True. My brother Ron is a humorist and professional banquet speaker. He has sold jokes to the likes of Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, and Henny Youngman. He's been sending Paul Harvey material for nearly two decades. I don't know for sure, but I don't think Paul has ever sent him a nickel. But, at least he's been giving him vocal credit the past few years. Ron says that's been worth more to him than any fee. My whole family is into humor. Ron is very laid back. If you've ever heard Ron speak, he has Henny Youngman's sense of humor and George Gobel's delivery. His routine is a bunch of very silly one liners, but there are so many, and they come quick one after another. He is very good, stays busy, and has a 'clean' routine. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 21 11:18:24 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:18:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: Clean Routine....YES! Once John Deere had a very bad experience with an off-color comedian in a huge series of Retirement Banquets. Extremely bad experience..... I went to the Personnel Manager and suggested Ron Dentinger for the next series. Much harried Personnel Manager said, "the next time we are going to have the Mormon Tabernacle Choir"......... Joe A > True. My brother Ron is a humorist and professional banquet speaker. He > has sold jokes to the likes of Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, and Henny > Youngman. He's been sending Paul Harvey material for nearly two decades. I > don't know for sure, but I don't think Paul has ever sent him a nickel. But, at > least he's been giving him vocal credit the past few years. Ron says that's > been worth more to him than any fee. My whole family is into humor. Ron is > very laid back. If you've ever heard Ron speak, he has Henny Youngman's > sense of humor and George Gobel's delivery. His routine is a bunch of very silly > one liners, but there are so many, and they come quick one after another. > He is very good, stays busy, and has a 'clean' routine. > > Bill (Damdinger) > From stutzmans at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 19:11:18 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] watkins glen Message-ID: <003201c7e459$58963610$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go to waste if you didn't give them to us? Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Aug 21 19:36:44 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] watkins glen Message-ID: <5773493.21195831187746605390.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> I have extra crew passes but they are for Roebling Road...I will be there along with Leo, and Don at the VDCA event. Come on down for some Fun. Triumph Fat Bastard supper included. Dean >From: Stutzman >Date: 2007/08/21 Tue PM 08:11:18 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] watkins glen >who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go to >waste if you didn't give them to us? >Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Aug 21 20:32:15 2007 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:32:15 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Amici Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There are some on ebay for $60 geoff byrne TR6 racer down under From adcronin at ameritech.net Mon Aug 20 17:00:08 2007 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recently Nominated to Join FOT Message-ID: <715592.22356.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 8/20 List Members Back in early August Bill Sohl was kind enough to nominate me for membership in the FOT and it was in turn seconded by Doug Mitchell---thank you Doug! Bill suggested that perhaps I could write a short "bio" on my background with Triumphs, so here goes. My initial exposure to TR's began in summer of '64 while a student at Michigan State University. A good friend (DD) had a white 55 TR2 ,(he was the fourth owner of the car which had had the motor and rear axle upgraded to TR3A components by a prior purchaser). When he broke his ankle on a skate board and couldn't get the cast to work the clutch and brake peddles he sold TS6927L to me (5th owner) for $400. I drove the car daily till Uncle Sam called the summer of '66 and per our original deal, I offered it back to DD (6th owner) for the same $$ as I had purchased it for. I spent 3-1/2 years in the service of Uncle Sam, got married, etc and yearned to have a TR once more. DD still had the car, but had filled in the wing seams, redone the red leather interior in black vinyl and painted the car BRG. He drove it for a while then when something went wrong and had no time parked it in an outbuilding where it sat for many years. He agreed to sell it to me once again for the original $400 deal--this in 1976. Thus began my re-association with things Triumph. I joined the Vintage Triumph Register (#824), The Detroit Triumph Sports car Club, the Triumph Register (England) and the TRA. Became active in the early years of TVT as Special Projects Manager, Book Service Guy & Production Manager of TVT and eventually Vice President under Steve Rossi. From 1985 to 2005 was mostly inactive in the various clubs due to work and family but did manage to keep collecting various NOS and reproduction parts to eventually rebuild the "2". Have owned several other TR's, TS5616L, TS78310L, TCF1325L and TCF2386L over the years, but always had the restoration of that first TR2 in the back of my mind. I struggled with what sort of "restoration" to undertake---Original build show car, or updated daily driver---eventually settling in 2005 with---Spirited, Updated Daily Driver---which I am now in the midst of implementing. The list of items the car will exhibit is extensive and will make no economic sense to anyone including yours truly, but then that is not what drives us to extremes is it? The car will sit on a new RATCO Frame, especially modified by Tony Vigliotti to accept complete TR6 front suspension components which will be augmented with Uncle Jacks uprated stub axle kit, Toyota 4-pot calipers on EBS disks and SS braided flex lines to the new Revington TR split (front/rear) brake system components and Revington TR's rear disk brake kit (utilizing Rover 800 components) with remote Servo assist to help reduce peddle pressure inherent with four wheel disk brakes. I plan to install a front/rear pressure control to fine tune the front/rear bias. My plan at present is to retain stock TR6 front springs with Spax adjustable shocks and 3/4" front sway bar, new Utherane suspension bushings throughout. Rear suspension will also be stock springs dampened by Apple Hydraulics 15% uprated rebuilt lever shocks, SS front spring retainer bolt and Uth. bushing with upgraded rear shackle mounting. Diff has been rebuilt with 4:11 to 1 ring and pinion gearing mounted to a Quaife (gear type) Positrack unit enclosed by finned alloy diff. cover. Cooling supplied via full core aluminum radiator, alloy water pump housing with 6-blade impeller and alloy thin belt pulleys (including damper and alternator (negative ground conversion) pulleys, 12" electric fan with manual override and an oil cooler w/thermostat after spin on oil filter unit, and alloy sump with clearanced oil pump. Steering will be via a Revington TR Rack and Pinion conversion kit and a Mona-Lita 15" dished leather wheel, turn signals actuated via MG stalk mounted unit. Wheels are Panasport 5.5 x 15 and will probably go with 185 x 70 series tires to stay close to original tire diameter. Revington TR alloy front hubs and adjustable upper A arm gudgeon pins for added adjust-ability in suspension geometry. Motor will be TCF block with British Frame and Engine 89mm piston, tapered pins and liner kit, Cower steel billet crank (thanks Mordy) augmented by Carrillo standard length A beam rods. Cam will be around 280 degree duration and .410 +/- lift, new push rods to alloy roller rockers supported by alloy rocker supports with new shaft and comp. springs, alloy retainers, SS valves with .50 lager intake, gas flowed head and TR4A intake manifold, exhaust is TSI ceramic coated header to standard TR2 pipes. All rotating parts static and dynamically balanced to include Fidanza alloy flywheel, TR6 type McLoude diaphragm clutch pp and disk. HVDA TR to Toyota 5-speed transmission conversion (trans rebuilt by ManTran) with McLeod TOB. Additional engine upgrades will include Craine 3000 electronic ignition and matching coil, be built re-curved distributor by John Smarna, negative ground conversion, MagnaCor 10mm ignition wires, Bosh plugs. Alloy front engine plate and valve cover. Electric fuel pump / filters, alloy gas tank. A complete Dan Masters wire harness with additional relays will be installed along with 100 w Pl700 headlights, interior courtesy lites, under hood and trunk lights, XM and Nav systems, Mazda Miata seats and individual roll bars behind each seat with three point belts. Car will be topped off with factory steel hardtop. Interior will be put back to original red leather / vinyl (including Miata seats!) and carpet and the exterior body and top back to white, but probably from current generation Toyota Tundra pickup which is a bit "warmer and deeper" than the old Pearl White. That about does it, but I know I have neglected some items as this continues to be a "work in progress". If any of you have thoughts, suggestions or constructive criticism I am interested in hearing them. I am hoping to be done by VTR in Detroit for 2008, but?????????? Am also restoring a 1940 Indian four cylinder motorcycle and enjoy fly fishing in my spare time (now that I have retired and have some!). Thanks for your patients in reading his rather rambling tale and overlooking my mis-spellings too! Regards, Dan Cronin Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 14 03:38:38 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report Message-ID: <20070814095138.QRUM5405.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. We had just pulled out of Mesa and travelled about four miles on the Beeline Highway when something prompted me to ask Tyler if he had his driving boots packed. He checked and he did not. We turned around sprinted the twelve miles back home. That little side trip would cost me a little bit because the combined 24 mile detour left us 2.6 miles short of a Gas Station in Payson! Fortunately we were hauling race karts and gear in the trailer. Coasted to a stop on the side of the road, opened the trailer and poured in two gallons of mixed race gas into the tank. With 110 octane unleaded race gas costing $7 a gallon and a bottle of the castor (two bottles to five gallons) we mix with the gas also costing $7 each the per gallon cost of fuel to get us off the highway was almost $20! In case we had this same issue further on in the trip I took the opportunity to fill one of our gas jugs with 5 gallons of the "cheaper" premium pump gas. Since it was going to be a long weekend we stopped in Holbrook for the night before pushing on to Albuquerque the next morning to run test sessions that afternoon. The Club at Sandia that was organizing the event had never had karts run with them so they decided to have us run the shorter track layout. The Sandia track seems to have started life as a small banked oval track they had grew some lop-sided Mickey Mouse ears at each end. This means that the front and back straights of the oval serve to connect the two ends of the road course. Because of the banking of the oval you literally jump into and out of the oval across those transitions. Running the short version of the track meant that once the drivers jumped into the oval on the back straight they would continue around the oval back to the front straight and then jump out the other side. Taking this shorter route the 125 shifter karts were "only" doing 87-88 mph when they left the track surface (just before the braking zone). If they had run the full course and jumped into and out of the oval on the front straight they would have been doing at least 100 mph leaving the oval. Considerably more stopping power and time required to get around turn one onto the road course with very little run off room on the outside. The data trace for this section of track is kind of interesting. Just before the "jump" out of the oval Tyler hits 90 mph (at 54.484 seconds into the lap). 2 tenths of a second (54.607) later the data shows he is doing 99.2 mph and a hundredth of a second after that (54.698) he is back to 88.7 mph. You can certainly see that the kart is airborne for that fraction of a scond. Two and a half seconds after that he has braked down to 68.5 mph to enter Turn 1. The data acquisition on the kart showed that Tyler was hitting a good 2 G's going through the banked Turn 1 of the road course and a 5 second sustained 1.5 G load going through the banked portion of the oval. As the weekend progressed Tyler started to experiment with different approaches to the very fast Turn 1 and was soon driving it very differently then anyone else. Most were taking a classic stay wide and late apex the corner. Tyler on the other hand looked like he was giving a quick hard stab to the brake and downshifting just before the corner. This would upset the rear end of the kart and allowed him to rotate it through the corner and be back on the gas accelerating before the apex. The sound difference was pretty amazing. He was on the gas a full 20-30 feet before the other shifters were. The data showed that by the time he was hitting the highest G load into that corner (7 tenths of a second later) he had already accelerated to 72.8 mph which is 4 mph faster. Watching him I was thinking that this was going to kill the tires as the track surface was pretty abrasive. I could not see his line on most of the track so I don't know what he was doing there but whatever it was he was actually conserving the tires. I checked the tire temps of the other karts around us after the sessions and whereas their front and left rear tires were in the 130 degree range their right rear tires were in the 150's. Tyler on the other hand consistently came in with all four tires in the 130's. He did the four test sessions on Friday and the first practice on Saturday with the tires that were on the kart (for a total of seven heat cycles) before we put new tires on to finish out the weekend (five sessions) and he was not complaining of a lack of grip. For the race on Saturday Tyler had qualified third in the 125 shifters (this would be only his third race in this class) and he despite making a horrible start that saw him fall down the grid to sixth place by Turn 1 he managed to claw his way back up and finish the race in third. In doing so he had some great close wheel-to-wheel racing with William Herr and Mike Laycook. For Sunday's race we changed the gears to run the same ratio that the 1st, 2nd and 4th placed karts were running and Tyler qualified in second position. This time he did not muck up the start. However, on the exit of Turn 1 he did not give enough "racing room" to the kart on the outside in Pole position and forced that kart to the dirt on the outside. Fortunately that driver kept control and got it back on track after losing a few places. Karmic damage was done however and while Tyler did manage to take the lead and hold it for five laps he eventually lost the lead and trying to either make a low percentage move on the new leader or just trying a different line he hooked the left rear wheel off the track in a tight left hand corner and spun off. A kindly corner worker gave him a push and got him going again at least two laps down. However that Bad Karma was not through with him yet. Two laps later as he was coming through the tight banked right hand Turn 6 the left rear wheel sheared the studs off the hub (probably due to damage from the previous incident) and sent the tire bouncing across the in-field. Tyler managed to drive the now three-wheeled kart back to the pits. I think he got in enough laps for a finish so we will come away from that race with some points at least. I also got to meet up with fellow FOT (Friends of Triumph http://www.fot-racing.com/) driver Greg Hilyer and see him pedal his plum colored TR4 around the track in the Vintage group. All-in-all it was a good weekend. Of course the sticker on the back of my Porsche does say "A Bad Day at the Track beats a Good Day at the Office" There were a ton of photos taken that I posted up to our clubs website http://www.southwestkarters.com/ (but then broke the site working on it earlier today. Doh! It's not completely fixed yet but here is a link to the gallery. http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=51&lzkfile=SandiaAug07%2F This is a picture of Tyler going into Turn 1: http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=51&lzkfile=SandiaAug07%2FRSR_3299.jpg From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 21 23:35:48 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns In-Reply-To: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> References: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Message-ID: <20070822053816.QFJM11280.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I use one for Tire temps but Exhaust would probably be meaningless to use a gun since you would only be getting the temp of an exhaust pipe that would have significantly cooled down by the time you could pop the hood and get a reading. For example I just fired up my notebook to look at the data from our race two weekends ago at Sandia (howdy Greg!). Taking a snap shot of a section of track in the race (28.063 into the lap) the EGT was at 1,066 degrees. At 31.264 into that lap a downshift and lift off the gas for a corner brought the EGT down to 922 but at the end of the following straight (43.448) the EGT was back up to 1,108. We normally like to see a peak EGT around 1,150 - 1,200 but there was just no air to burn up there in Albuquerque and we were running the leanest jets we had. We use a probe to get EGT temps. Probably just pulling and reading the plugs would give you more info about Exhaust temp than using an infrared gun could. For tires it is certainly helpful. I use the gun to check our tires and the tires of the others around us. At 07:32 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote: >Amici >Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust >temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There >are some on ebay for $60 >geoff byrne >TR6 racer down under >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >dave at microworks.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 22 01:03:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Message-ID: I'm not sure they're worth much. I've got one, never use it. For sure they are quick and simple, but surface temperature isn't what you want with tires. for other stuff they might be OK, but I haven't found it imprtant. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Geoffrey Byrne Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 7:32 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Amici Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There are some on ebay for $60 geoff byrne TR6 racer down under billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 22 04:15:29 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 and Spit Message-ID: <001f01c7e4a5$5ea13b30$0401a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> You can crank n that extra negative camber. A set of extended bolt front suspension mounts are listed on ebay 280143567886. Ending in 15 hours. GT6Bob From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 06:57:00 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:57:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - After thoughts of a Spectator Message-ID: The family favorite was the replica of the fabulous Hudson Hornet - which I think was there only as a paddock exhibit. It turns out the car was used for sounds and illustration purposes in the production of the movie "Cars". Owner was wonderful with our children - we have pictures of all three children in the driver seat. One does not go the Monterey Historics with an expectation of seeing more than a token number, if any, Triumph race cars. My hat is off to the owner of the replica TR2 racecar on a great presentation. However, it struck me as rather ironic that the only Triumph bodied car accepted was that nicely prepared and presented replica of a famous TR2 racecar when there are a great selection of existing Triumph race cars with significant American racing histories. Overall, another great job by General Racing to put together a diverse and interesting array of cars. The spectator friendly layout of the paddock was especially appreciated after the going on a warm hiking expedition at Road America; plus each car had an explanation of its specifications and history. Add to that the Monterey aquarium, swimming pool, sandy beaches, etc. and you have kids who want to go again next year. Since my children do not like Brats; it will be sometime before I am going to even mention the possibility of another RA trip. Best wishes to all CP ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mattspit at att.net Wed Aug 22 07:02:31 2007 From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:02:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <082220071302.13621.46CC33E7000B92C80000353521612436469B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net> Worked fine for tires, be quick not tried on exhaust but worked fine on wheels, brakes etc/. Time is of the essence. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Geoffrey Byrne" > > Amici > Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust > temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There > are some on ebay for $60 > geoff byrne > TR6 racer down under > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > mattspit at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 22 07:19:53 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:19:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time, gkbyrne at optushome.com.au writes: > Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and > exhaust > temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. > There > are some on ebay for $60 > Geoff... My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by our garage door. I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Everything I've read suggests the probe type is more accurate for tires. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 07:29:47 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:29:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 8/22/2007 9:21:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Everything I've read suggests the probe type is more accurate for tires. Absolutely! Surface temp will get you in the "ballpark" but to get the true temp you have to stick them. Yeah it's a PITA... Glen ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 08:27:01 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <082220071427.29914.46CC47B50004A88E000074DA2200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: BillDentin at aol.com > My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works > slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past > week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by > our garage door. > > I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Especially for measuring passing round butt temps. ;-) From RYoung at navcomtech.com Wed Aug 22 10:20:54 2007 From: RYoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:20:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs In-Reply-To: <20070821002344.MLDR23432.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <20070822162021.WSRX19326.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. > These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. TRF has new ones listed, under P/N 502554 for the whole set. If you do buy them, would you let me know the free lengths, please ? Randall From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Aug 22 10:33:01 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: <082220071427.29914.46CC47B50004A88E000074DA2200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: They can be handy for diagnosing a weak cylinder, Take a reading off the individual exhaust runners on the header while the engine is running. Find one that is radically different than the others and bingo. Terry Stetler. From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 10:39:56 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment References: <64858040-8FB8-47ED-A349-4B054E5523D7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > Date: August 22, 2007 10:25:22 AM MDT > To: "David W. Riddle" > Cc: "wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" > , fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment > > Nice to meet you and Tyler and thanks for the Triumphfest poster > [have fun in Laughlin!]. Hope you had enough fun to come again. > Bring your TR3 next time! I hope to make one of your events over > the winter. > After her little off-track excursion earlier in the month, Connie > got back in the TR4 on Saturday and now has her competition > license. I drove it Sunday and after killing two tires in two > sessions, realized that something is amuck up front. Managed a 3rd > but was down nearly 2 seconds a lap. Along with a fix will > [finally] come some camber adjustment. Seems that most methods of > camber adjustment are carried out at the lower a-arm bracket but I > am thinking of slotting the top of the shock tower instead - > Thoughts or advice anyone? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:38 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > >> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from >> Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Aug 22 11:28:05 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. don at carterdesignassociates.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 22 11:34:49 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:34:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Temperature Probes Message-ID: In a message dated 08/22/2007 12:20:30 PM Central Daylight Time, WEmery7451 writes: > Did you probe the bypassing round Butts? > > You have no idea the preoccupation the FOT has with butts and probes. Nor did I. But to answer your question, Bob and I did talk about it. Problem is we're getting old and don't move as fast as we used to. We did invite one to our wine and cheese party, and she did show up. That's the good news. The bad news was the big dude she brought with her. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From RYoung at navcomtech.com Wed Aug 22 11:37:26 2007 From: RYoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <20070822173652.BAM20752.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has > already been talked about so much before. I wish I had > remembered what was said and the advice given at the > time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this > device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing > by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of > course causing a hard pull to the left. Guess it depends on what car we're talking about; but AFAIK the PDWA never limits or changes the flow of fluid, even when the piston is off to one side (activating the switch). One way to be sure would be to remove the piston, and reassemble with a pressure plug in place of the switch. Purely a temporary measure, as this will mean that any leak will totally disable the hydraulic brakes (effectively reverting to a single-circuit system), but at least then you could go on to find the real problem. > All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 > brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. Likely you know this, but TRF sells quart bottles for a reasonable price. Randall From herald948 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 12:33:55 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <8C9B30221AC7F84-7E0-7BCC@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Don Carter I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. ... ==AM== The PDWA won't do this; it is there simply to provide a mechanism to operate a warning lamp when there is a significant difference in pressure between the two circuits. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 22 12:50:58 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: Hi, If the front left is locking up, you either have a problem with the right caliper or there's a problem with the hydraulics going to the front right, e.g. you're not getting the same hydraulic pressure on both sides. There could also be a suspension problem that results in no or less weight transfer to the front left - and the wheel would lock because it's not loaded, but that would or should also result in very strange handling. Another possible problem would be a warped or cracked front left rotor, but this should also result in pulses in the brake pedal. I seriously doubt that the PDWA could cause one side of the car to lock before the other. If you look at the circuit, it's M/C to PDWA and then PDWA to either the front or the rear. There's nothing there to effect side-to-side haydraulics. I'd verify that both right front caliper pistons move and then go from there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 12:52:15 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment In-Reply-To: <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> References: <64858040-8FB8-47ED-A349-4B054E5523D7@earthlink.net> <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708221152p79bcaab1v457784d1ddd3ced6@mail.gmail.com> Greg, I changed the holes where the upper ball joint attaches to the arms -- moved them in a quarter inch, got lots of camber. Needed to do this because previous owner had welded in the lower brackets. My fix works fine, but the inner hole is a little sloppy as it is on the diagonal surface of the a-arm. On 8/22/07, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > > Date: August 22, 2007 10:25:22 AM MDT > > To: "David W. Riddle" > > Cc: "wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" > > , fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment > > > > Nice to meet you and Tyler and thanks for the Triumphfest poster > > [have fun in Laughlin!]. Hope you had enough fun to come again. > > Bring your TR3 next time! I hope to make one of your events over > > the winter. > > After her little off-track excursion earlier in the month, Connie > > got back in the TR4 on Saturday and now has her competition > > license. I drove it Sunday and after killing two tires in two > > sessions, realized that something is amuck up front. Managed a 3rd > > but was down nearly 2 seconds a lap. Along with a fix will > > [finally] come some camber adjustment. Seems that most methods of > > camber adjustment are carried out at the lower a-arm bracket but I > > am thinking of slotting the top of the shock tower instead - > > Thoughts or advice anyone? > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:38 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > >> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from > >> Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 13:24:50 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: Hi Don, My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? My next suggestion would be to replace the PDWA with a T-junction and a proportioning valve. Shane Ingate PS Getting quotes for an enclosed truck to move Rags from MD to NM. $2,000, yowee! :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Carter asked: I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 22 14:45:18 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: <9682380.4480731187815518213.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Just a thought. Some years ago I had a '55 Chevy wagon that I converted to disc brakes. About a year after the conversion it developed a severe pull to the left. After much effort liberally sprinkled with four letter words, I discovered that the flexible brake hose to the right caliper had failed internally, restricting flow to that caliper. The hose was a name brand and less than two years old. Replaced hose (actually both just to be safe!) and problem solved. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: Don Carter >Date: 2007/08/22 Wed PM 12:28:05 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block >I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked >about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice >given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this >device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front >to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the >left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR >buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of >you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this >problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and >some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will >help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to >do this many more times. > >don at carterdesignassociates.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 16:33:40 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] watkins glen References: <5773493.21195831187746605390.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7e50c$7d822d40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> thanks, but we have a great adventure planned. Labor day weekend at Lime Rock, then up to Mt Equinox, then Vermonts Green Mountains, then into NY to Lake George, then the Adirondacks and Lake Placid, then the Seaways Trail along the St. Lawrence and finally to Watkins Glen for the races the next weekend - in our TRs. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stutzman" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] watkins glen >I have extra crew passes but they are for Roebling Road...I will be there >along with Leo, and Don at the VDCA event. Come on down for some Fun. >Triumph Fat Bastard supper included. > > Dean > > > > >>From: Stutzman >>Date: 2007/08/21 Tue PM 08:11:18 CDT >>To: fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Fot] watkins glen > >>who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go >>to >>waste if you didn't give them to us? >>Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>tr3a58 at verizon.net >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 22 18:35:27 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:35:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day Message-ID: <20070822.203527.5638.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> I will be racing in the Longest Day, 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges this weekend. I will be one of 6 drivers in the Team Rhino Miata ( I know it's not a TR, but at least it is a 2 seat sports car). If any listers are going to be at the track, look me up. Joe(B) Mail! http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130420-251 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:37:56 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:37:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there > is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water. You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 22 21:32:24 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:32:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <46CCFFC8.9010806@bradakis.com> >I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked >about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice >given at the time > For those of you not familiar with the various Team.Net services provided, check out http://www.team.net/archive for past discussions on the various lists I mismanage. mjb. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 00:21:36 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:21:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <003201c7e54d$de92e5c0$6402a8c0@HOME> Depending on the beam spread if the sensor (not the laser) the distance is important to estimate the correct heat of the object. If the round butts are more than 1meter away I really question the value you've estimated. ;-) I use a very small one that is as big as a 1 silver dollar coin. I have it in my racing suit pocket so I can jump out of the car and take tire temperatures. 3 values each tire. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:36 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:27:09 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: BillDentin at aol.com > My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works > slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past > week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by > our garage door. > > I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Especially for measuring passing round butt temps. ;-) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 00:23:26 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:23:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs Message-ID: <003701c7e54e$1d5e5640$6402a8c0@HOME> I've shortend the springs about 1" and replaced the cut off piece with a spacer. Did rise the pressure a lot and the down shift is much faster and harder. Only for racing purpose. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] overdrive springs Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:20:27 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:20:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfjiYiCYKO8E8i2SWWmog90OfdkuQBTqRJw Subject: Re: [Fot] overdrive springs X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: > I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. > These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. TRF has new ones listed, under P/N 502554 for the whole set. If you do buy them, would you let me know the free lengths, please ? Randall _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 07:06:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed Message-ID: FoT, I broke my pipe, Anybody got a spare? Engine filter base to Oil Pressure....I have the flex hose. Lot's of trading stock here to reciprocate...... Need ASAP. Thanks, Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 23 07:57:46 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:57:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 08/23/2007 1:21:34 AM Central Daylight Time, chris at tr4-racing.de writes: > <<< Depending on the beam spread if the sensor (not the laser) the > distance is > important to estimate the correct heat of the object. > If the round butts are more than 1meter away I really question the value > you've estimated. ;-) >>> > Christ...for round butt testing, our Plan A is the results of our visual inspection. > We then go to the pyrometer for fine tuning the results and ties. > > <<< I use a very small one that is as big as a 1 silver dollar coin. I have > it in > my racing suit pocket so I can jump out of the car and take tire > temperatures. > 3 values each tire. >>> > Us too. When we do it, we try to avoid a cool down lap, and we come in HOT, prior to the end of the session. We take readings in the Hot Pits. Works best with two crew members (one for pressures, one for temperatures) and the driver taking notes. I am not sure how effective our efforts are, but I'll tell you what...we look great doing it. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 08:19:40 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:19:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack's Con-Rod Conversion for TR3/TR4-1st use report-short Message-ID: FoT, The lightweight performance con-rods from Uncle Jack went through one strenuous race weekend, including an Enduro. Normally, I mostly use modified stock TR parts, but this was intriguing to me. Outcome: Successful!!!! No unusual wear pattern with narrower big end. FoT Chris German did this first and had the same experience. Lighter Weight than Stock Lower cost than Carillo Designed for high HP Low Cost Clevite 77 Bearing Shells ($12.50 per four) Required special spacers at the small end to centralize Required adjustment in Oil Pressure to get back to Spec at gage. Required different grind on journals....needed grind anyway. I think the spacers could be made of Nylatron and supplied to a nominal size and cut, by user, to suit various Piston Configurations. My Opinion. Certainly seems worth considering. The AMBRO will get them, eventually. Joe A TR4 #197 I am sure I am missing a couple items here, but clearly it can be done. I will continue to monitor the results with great optimism. From don at carterdesignassociates.com Thu Aug 23 09:46:32 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> Thanks Greg. You're not the first to suggest that Dot 5 may be the problem. I've used it for years because the car sits-up without running much most of the year. I will use it one or twice each month. Glycol based fluid (Dot 4) just caused me so much trouble with eating up Master cylinder, brake cylinder, and slave unit seals, not to mention the paint surrounding the master cylinders after it ruins seals when the cars sit for two weeks at a time without running. If this cause turns out to be the silicone fluid, I would really be surprised, but as I've said I'm almost ready to try anything. I'll try another weekend of test and let you know. I do know the PDWA is not in backwards. Thanks again. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:38 PM To: Shane Ingate; don at carterdesignassociates.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA block > My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there > is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water. You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 10:11:19 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: When I rebuilt the Greenman (My departed TR4), I went with Dot 5. I was more worried about the caustic effects of Glycol on automotive enamel. By some accounts Dot 5 causes swelling of the rubber parts. I didn't observe anything like that in the 18 years I owned the car. The only brake issue I did have was finding out I had installed the PDWA valve backwards. Otherwise Dot 5 worked just fine. I did flush the system yearly though, which is what they advise you to to with Glycol brake fluids too. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: don at carterdesignassociates.comTo: greenman62 at hotmail.com; hottr6 at hotmail.comCC: fot at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA blockDate: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:32 -0500 Thanks Greg. You're not the first to suggest that Dot 5 may be the problem. I've used it for years because the car sits-up without running much most of the year. I will use it one or twice each month. Glycol based fluid (Dot 4) just caused me so much trouble with eating up Master cylinder, brake cylinder, and slave unit seals, not to mention the paint surrounding the master cylinders after it ruins seals when the cars sit for two weeks at a time without running. If this cause turns out to be the silicone fluid, I would really be surprised, but as I've said I'm almost ready to try anything. I'll try another weekend of test and let you know. I do know the PDWA is not in backwards. Thanks again. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message-----From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:38 PMTo: Shane Ingate; don at carterdesignassociates.comCc: fot at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA block> My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there> is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier?Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water.You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know)Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 10:26:42 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:26:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: Message-ID: <002101c7e5a2$64558f60$6402a8c0@HOME> > ........ but I'll tell you what...we look great doing it. That's what it is all about :-)) From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 14:57:44 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:57:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed Message-ID: <32941627.4611691187902664473.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Joe; I have three of these on the shelf if you don't have another offer yet. Send me your address if you still need one. Dean T. >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Date: 2007/08/23 Thu AM 08:06:20 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed >FoT, > >I broke my pipe, Anybody got a spare? > >Engine filter base to Oil Pressure....I have the flex hose. > >Lot's of trading stock here to reciprocate...... > >Need ASAP. > >Thanks, Joe Alexander >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 15:08:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:08:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Banjo Fittting and World's Fastest Golf Car Message-ID: Have needed Banjo Fitting Coming. Thanks for all of the responses. FoT Rocks! Whilst at the NAPA Store....expecting to order 'seldom used' NGKs for my TR4 Application. I expected to order but they had plenty on the shelf. It seems there is huge demand for these NGKs, as they are frequently used on GOLF CARS. Now I am on my third set of NGKs in 16 years and, more importantly, I can give back the set I borrowed from Tony Drews. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 16:05:29 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Part search Message-ID: <13077777.10744291187906729512.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Would anybody on the FOT have a Stag Distributor they could part with. I need a housing as the hold down ears got broken on mine. I need a dual point MKII type, used on 72-73 years. Thanks; Dean T. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 23 20:36:55 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire Message-ID: Amici, I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone have any recommendations for jets and air correctors? Right now it's got 140 jets and 170 main air corrector and 160 secondary air corrector. Anyone have any suggestions? I will have the car on the chassis dyno for the next two weekends trying to figure a couple problems out (one is losing spark to #1 under load) the other is making HP at too low an RPM. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 23 22:02:49 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:02:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire withdrawals, I really need to get one back on the road for the upcoming fall season here in the mountains of Utah. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 23 22:48:45 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Let me add to mark's comment. Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different from the design of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have a dual Weber DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer than the inside two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with a single carb. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire withdrawals, I really need to get one back on the road for the upcoming fall season here in the mountains of Utah. mjb. spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Fri Aug 24 03:49:06 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. Currently that rule is: 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > Let me add to mark's comment. > > Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different > from the design > of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have > a dual Weber > DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. > > With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer > than the inside > two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with > a single > carb. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Mark J. > Bradakis > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > > >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > > > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted > manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! > > Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire > withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the > upcoming fall season > here in the mountains of Utah. > > mjb. > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Aug 24 07:42:57 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Since you put it "that way" (limited by rules)... Seeing that you have a DGV, I don't think you should need to buy 50 jets. You should do a plug cut with what you have and then go two sizes richer / leaner with the mains if you're off. If those go the other way (too rich or too lean), back off one size on your mains. That's pretty standard Weber tuning. I don't know squat about DGV's, so I can't help you on basic numbers, but the Des Hammil Weber book has some charts that seem to be very good starting points. The jets that you have sound reasonable for a 1500. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Fri Aug 24 08:20:45 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:20:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <000f01c7e659$f6275880$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Good Point (about the rules, that is). The DGV has similar issues with runner length as does the single DCOE. You might find that because of the much better design of the stock intake manifold that the single ZS carb is much better for the application. Judging by what KAZ was able to accomplish using two 1.25" SU's I would say that it is very likely that you can get the ZS to work as well if not better than the DGV. It is much simpler and you certainly won't have to buy a ton of brass parts to tune it. Do they allow the Europen twin SU setup? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Mark J. Bradakis' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. Currently that rule is: 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > Let me add to mark's comment. > > Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different > from the design > of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have > a dual Weber > DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. > > With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer > than the inside > two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with > a single > carb. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Mark J. > Bradakis > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > > >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > > > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted > manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! > > Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire > withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the > upcoming fall season > here in the mountains of Utah. > > mjb. > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 24 13:43:58 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:43:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com><001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <008501c7e687$1d2f6fd0$5717c548@RW> One thing that works reasonable well in dyno tuning is to use a oxy/ac torch tip cleaning kit to increase the size of the jets a tad at a time. I've done this with quite good success. The tool is dirt cheap to buy and by using a mic to check the size of each cleaner you have a close idea the increase and you can use (or ruin) only a single jet for several runs. My tool made by Murex has 12 cleaners ranging from .017", 020",.023",.026",.030",.034" etc. You can use number drill to get the same use of a single jet. In the end I had a genuine Weber jet drill set but I doubt you can find one these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Curry" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the > benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say > just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure > of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. > > Currently that rule is: > 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are > currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the > Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy > 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. > > aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > >> Let me add to mark's comment. >> >> Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different >> from the design >> of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have >> a dual Weber >> DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. >> >> With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer >> than the inside >> two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with >> a single >> carb. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Mark J. >> Bradakis >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >> >> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... >> > >> >Anyone have any suggestions? >> > >> > >> >> My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted >> manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire >> withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the >> upcoming fall season >> here in the mountains of Utah. >> >> mjb. >> spitlist at cox.net >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> fpspitfire at insightbb.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Aug 24 14:30:44 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves Message-ID: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 24 15:44:52 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:44:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com><001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> <008501c7e687$1d2f6fd0$5717c548@RW> Message-ID: I used jeweler's broaches to do the same thing. They leave a smooth finish on the inside of the jet, which is important, and if you use a size that fits roughly halfway through the jet before reaming, they have minimal taper. the problem of course is that you wind up with mislabled jets that you must be careful with. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 12:43 PM To: fpspitfire at insightbb.com; Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire One thing that works reasonable well in dyno tuning is to use a oxy/ac torch tip cleaning kit to increase the size of the jets a tad at a time. I've done this with quite good success. The tool is dirt cheap to buy and by using a mic to check the size of each cleaner you have a close idea the increase and you can use (or ruin) only a single jet for several runs. My tool made by Murex has 12 cleaners ranging from .017", 020",.023",.026",.030",.034" etc. You can use number drill to get the same use of a single jet. In the end I had a genuine Weber jet drill set but I doubt you can find one these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Curry" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the > benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say > just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure > of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. > > Currently that rule is: > 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are > currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the > Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy > 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. > > aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > >> Let me add to mark's comment. >> >> Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different >> from the design >> of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have >> a dual Weber >> DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. >> >> With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer >> than the inside >> two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with >> a single >> carb. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Mark J. >> Bradakis >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >> >> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... >> > >> >Anyone have any suggestions? >> > >> > >> >> My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted >> manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire >> withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the >> upcoming fall season >> here in the mountains of Utah. >> >> mjb. >> spitlist at cox.net >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> fpspitfire at insightbb.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 24 15:48:11 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I use .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 24 16:08:21 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <012201c7e69b$487d2970$5717c548@RW> I think probably .015" clearance is s good number to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves > If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I > use > .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves > > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Aug 24 17:23:02 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:23:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves In-Reply-To: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <36a7e80d1f191a1806d7abd3fde7bea9@wi.rr.com> Jim, If I'm reading my cam spec sheet correctly, I'm running 254 degrees of duration. Valve lash is currently .016" for exhaust and .015" for intake. When I first installed the cam, it was recommended that I run .022" exhaust and .020" for intake but the valve stem ends began to show severe wear. Hope this helps. Allen On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:30 PM, jim hearn wrote: > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need > other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what > the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a > short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general > settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > awashatko at wi.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com Fri Aug 24 17:32:04 2007 From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:32:04 +1000 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods Message-ID: <000701c7e6a6$fa6ac790$0301010a@purplebox> Has anyone tried alternative conrods in 6 cyl engines to get weight down??. We have successfully used Mitsubishi 4G32 rods in a 2000 engine and are currently looking at a 2500. Years ago we did 2 race engines with custom made carillos, but the price was just stupid. Thanks. Terry O'Beirne From budscars at msn.com Fri Aug 24 18:15:36 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:15:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] vintage race car wanted Message-ID: <014001c7e6ad$120e3480$1683b304@Bud> vintage race car wanted probably sprite/midget, please contact Scott Brown at scott at vintage31.com It's for a friend of his who wants to get started in vintage Thanks Racer Bud From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Aug 24 18:32:27 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:32:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> <012201c7e69b$487d2970$5717c548@RW> Message-ID: Talk to APT... Kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: Bill Babcock ; jim hearn ; FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves I think probably .015" clearance is s good number to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "jim hearn" >; > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves > If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I > use > .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves > > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Aug 24 19:38:13 2007 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves In-Reply-To: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46CF8805.3080800@verizon.net> Jim, Valve clearance is quite specific to the cam profile and should be set per the manufacturer's recommendation. Cams are generally ground with a gentle ramp at the opening and closing ends of the lobe to take up the clearance at a fairly low velocity then once the clearance is taken up the velocity ramps up quickly. Setting the clearance too low causes the valve to crack open way early and close late resulting in loss of low end. Setting the clearance too high causes the rocker to hit the valve stem at high velocity causing noise and potential wear. If you don't have specs for your cam you may be able to get a pretty good idea of the correct clearance by charting the lift at the beginning of the lobe. Put a degree wheel on the crank and a dial indicator on a push rod. Zero the indicator on the cam base circle then turn one degree at a time and record the lift at each degree. You should see a point at which the lift starts to change much more rapidly. It will help the plot the lift on a chart. Excel works great. If you don't want to go to all the work of a degree wheel and a chart, you should be able to see the transition point just by watching the dial indicator while you slowly and steadily turn the crank. If the indicator moves slowly up to .010" then starts to move much more quickly then .010" would be a good number for your cam clearance. Take that times your rocker ratio and you have your valve clearance. Valve clearance recommendations for a given cam are based on the clearance desired at the cam times an assumed rocker ratio. Cam manufacturers often use a nominal rocker ratio of 1.50:1 for the calculation. If you are using a different rocker ratio then you should change the valve clearance to maintain the correct clearance at the cam. For instance, if a manufacturer recommends .015" at the valve using a 1.50:1 rocker they are looking for .010" at the cam. If you are running 1.65:1 rockers your clearance should be .0165" to maintain .010" at the cam. Richard Good Good Parts jim hearn wrote: >It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other >than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the >cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short >time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily >tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings >and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Aug 24 21:56:16 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:56:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] vintage race car wanted Message-ID: No financial interest, other than that owner Hayes Harris is a friend and a customer of the magazine, but he has a decent looking TR4 vintage racer for sale on his website. www.wirewheel.com Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 vintage race car wanted probably sprite/midget, please contact Scott Brown at scott at vintage31.com It's for a friend of his who wants to get started in vintage Thanks Racer Bud ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 24 23:35:22 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charrly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods References: <000701c7e6a6$fa6ac790$0301010a@purplebox> Message-ID: <01c601c7e6d9$c2445ba0$3b00000a@CHARLY> Aren't TR6 2.5 rods and GT6 or saloon 2.0 rods the same? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry and Cindy" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods > Has anyone tried alternative conrods in 6 cyl engines to get weight > down??. We have successfully used Mitsubishi 4G32 rods in a 2000 engine > and are currently looking at a 2500. Years ago we did 2 race engines > with custom made carillos, but the price was just stupid. Thanks. > > Terry O'Beirne > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 25 12:04:56 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Henry Morrison Message-ID: <200708251805.l7PI56n4113757@ns3.geneseo.net> Does anyone have a good current email address for Henry Morrison? I've tried his old one and get bounced. Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 25 13:30:30 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:30:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Message-ID: Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jsnook at wcnet.org Sat Aug 25 13:54:16 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out References: Message-ID: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Congratulations Tony! Great race and great magazine photo!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; vinttr4 at geneseo.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 25 14:49:47 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:49:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out In-Reply-To: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <20070825205034.7D7781879DD@autox.team.net> Thanks! I'm honored. - Tony At 02:54 PM 8/25/2007, Jeff Snook wrote: Congratulations Tony! Great race and great magazine photo!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; vinttr4 at geneseo.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Sat Aug 25 16:59:11 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:59:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: <20070825230849.GUGJ13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> >Check this out! > >Bay item # 220143217717 > >Good luck, > >Jim From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 25 20:42:17 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:42:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: it's Gawdawful. > >Check this out! > > > >Bay item # 220143217717 > > > >Good luck, > > > >Jim > From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Aug 25 20:49:21 2007 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3188726B-C6D5-4195-A227-CC7872A3C748@charter.net> And here I was going to rip the body off my TR3 and have a beautiful Devin bodied car. It would only need 50# of bondo. On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:42 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > it's Gawdawful. > > > >>> Check this out! >>> >>> Bay item # 220143217717 >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Jim >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > jerrybarr at charter.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Aug 26 04:45:36 2007 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:45:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay References: <20070825230849.GUGJ13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7e7ce$3c362890$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Great project to get replicated in alloy ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > >Check this out! >> >>Bay item # 220143217717 >> >>Good luck, >> >>Jim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > tr4.tony at virgin.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 26 08:35:40 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, so far. 1974 TVR 2500M historic race car $11,000.00 See description 12 adepaso(4) From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sun Aug 26 09:06:24 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] eBay-Buyers beware! References: Message-ID: <004701c7e7f2$acc45b80$03fea8c0@remsec1> It's been my finding of late Ebay listings are more deceptive than ever before, no reference to this recent thread. I won two auctions in the recent past where the goods were paid for but never delivered. Contacting Ebay got a pleasant canned message from someone in Pakistan or where-ever their "non-support" is done today. Fortunately I used a credit card and put the onus on them to pull the funds, which they eventually did after much ceremony. Ebay is not the medium for commerce it was three years ago. I had another lister admit he had "thrown a few bids" at his own item just to get things rolling. Listing anything of value for sale on the other hand seemingly assures you of getting at least one attempt at a scam, usually foreign nationals sending fraudulent counterfeit money orders and having some tale of commissions needing to be sent; dead uncles; being servants for rich potentates, etc.. Its gotten pretty bizarre. I listed a bulldozer recently(I know its not a TR but it never lifted in the corners either) and got three offers from out of the country with some scam attached. I am sure there is a high demand in Nigeria for 50 year old Cletrac dozers! One thing is guaranteed, Ebay always takes their cut regardless of outcome. If a listing sounds too good to be true it usually is. Always ask what was left out of an offering. The internet makes it way too easy for fraud to happen. I step down from the soapbox. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 (rebuild in progress) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, > so > far. > > > WIDTH="64" HEIGHT="45" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1911"> > HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017">1974 > TVR 2500M historic race car > > > > > $11,000.00 > See description > HREF="http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN">12 > adepaso SRC="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="1" > BORDER="0" DATASIZE="49">( HREF="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=adepaso&item=270156089863&iid=270156089863&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:SFS">4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rem9 at frontiernet.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com Sun Aug 26 15:53:54 2007 From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:53:54 +1000 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods In-Reply-To: <01c601c7e6d9$c2445ba0$3b00000a@CHARLY> Message-ID: <000601c7e82b$988b1d00$0301010a@purplebox> To clarify matters... The early GT6 rod is much wider at the big-end than the 2500 rod. Post 67, the rods all became the same. Sometime about 72, the 2500 rods changed to have a hole in them above a big-end bolt, but I've never seen that on a 2000 engine I used 4G32 rods on a 2000 race engine because I wanted a longer rod and shorter pin height piston. I'm now chasing a sensibly priced replacement rod for the 2500. I can get them made locally if I have to. Terry O'Beirne From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Aug 26 16:17:40 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Champcars at Zolder Message-ID: <001e01c7e82e$f0bdaad0$6402a8c0@HOME> I've watched the Champ Car race today at Zolder. At TV the track looks quite impressive. When I drove there by myself I wasn't that impressed. Slow corners, short straights.....but again the Champ cas were great to watch! Good night Chris From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 26 16:18:43 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay References: Message-ID: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> It looks like a good value but you will need a friendly racing organization to allow you to race. According to my PCS the SCCA only homologated the 4 cylinder versions and as a 1974 it won't pass muster on that front either with most clubs. My club, CVAR has one (John Price) that is grandfathered in because it has been in the club for quite a few years. Maybe the CA clubs aren't as open minded, thus the price? Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, > so > far. > > > WIDTH="64" HEIGHT="45" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1911"> > HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017">1974 > TVR 2500M historic race car > > > > > $11,000.00 > See description > HREF="http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN">12 > adepaso SRC="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="1" > BORDER="0" DATASIZE="49">( HREF="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=adepaso&item=270156089863&iid=270156089863&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:SFS">4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Aug 27 06:31:11 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] small end bushings for Carillos Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A4CFE1C@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Does anyone know where we can get small end bushes for TR4 Carillos? I'm hoping they are readily available. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 27 08:45:43 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In-Reply-To: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, BOB KRAMER wrote: > It looks like a good value but you will need a friendly racing organization > to allow you to race. According to my PCS the SCCA only homologated the 4 > cylinder versions and as a 1974 it won't pass muster on that front either > with most clubs. My club, CVAR has one (John Price) that is grandfathered in > because it has been in the club for quite a few years. Maybe the CA clubs > aren't as open minded, thus the price? TVRs are really tough to get into most racing organizations. On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners. Right Mr Rock? :-) > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Regards, rml p.s. I think 2500's are pretty kool cars. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 09:27:18 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:27:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners hey... what you call us...? Glen #2424T hybrid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Aug 27 10:03:19 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] good day !! Message-ID: Coincidentally, I heard Paul Harvey end his program with a Ron Dentinger funny this morning. good timing... Kev Lynch From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 27 10:27:21 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) References: Message-ID: I resemble that remark! Terry Stetler Former Vixen 2500 (early series) owner... ----- Original Message ----- From: Fubog1 at aol.com To: lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners hey... what you call us...? Glen #2424T hybrid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Aug 27 12:32:43 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Diffs Message-ID: <000801c7e8d8$a8fcaca0$88158304@your55e5f9e3d2> Who does a good job of rebuilding TR6 Diff for sale exchange? art d From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 12:39:51 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) Message-ID: Bob Lang wrote: >On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph >owners. I spend a lot of time hanging out with TVR owners here in Maryland, which is probably TVR Central in the US. They are a great bunch of guys because they resemble the Pantera owners I hung out with when I had the Big Cat on the track. (Classic) TVR owners see the engine bay as being right for ANY sort of transplant, and certainly small-block Ford crate motors are a great match and lighter than the boat anchor in TR6s and the wretched Essex V6. They have a great "can-do" attitude and though they will constantly deride the build quality of the cars, are ferociously loyal. One of my mates, Lenny Renkenberger, has the parts to build a widened TVR Vixen with a blown and sprayed 427. His goal is to reply to questions of "What will it do?" is to say "I'm too scared to find out". This from a man who was a pro drag-bike racer running in the 8s. The only problem with TVR owners is that they are always covered in fiberglass dust; they make me itch just looking at them. Shane Ingate PS I'm shipping Rags to NM with Intercity. I took a picture of it ready to roll, and you can see it at http://hottr6.blogspot.com/. And yes, it is sitting high on the short springs (due to me casting off nearly 400 lbs) and the rear camber needs to be set. _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 From rikrock at aol.com Mon Aug 27 13:23:18 2007 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9B6F6DB72030A-7E4-E20@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> Bob Lang wrote: >On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph >owners. They seem pretty normal to me ;-) Rich Rock ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 27 17:23:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:23:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: I just got my Vintage Motorsports. Killer picture of Tony....and if you look with magnifying glass you can a lot of the rest of the gang on the next page. Tony's Tech: Obviously, Tech Inspection missed the fact that those absolutely stunning P-700 Lucas Tri-Pod Headlamps are not covered with tape. I cant believe that Jack W missed that. This was a good weekend....thanks to all who participated, especially Kas & Peg. Regards, Joe A From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 27 18:24:58 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 rear whel camber for autox Message-ID: <000801c7e909$de2ff1d0$4a7aac43@computer> For autocrossing a TR6, if 3 degrees negative camber is a good place to start on the front wheels using radials, what is a good start on the rear wheels? Is it the stock negative one degree? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 20:41:45 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine Message-ID: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I echo Joe's remark. Great action shot Tony! You may race the rest of your life and never get exposure like that again. And if I recall it was a totally great weekend for you and most all other FOTers. Those "Alexander Headlamp Covers" really jump out at you. By the way Tony, if you are interested in copies or enlargements of that picture, read the editors answer to 15 Minutes of Fame. Ken Suhre ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 20:45:34 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine Message-ID: <559160.57721.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, left off the page number for 15 Minutes of Fame. See page 12. Ken ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 28 11:39:56 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:39:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry Message-ID: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> This is a commercial message to let you know that I am planning to make another run of the camshafts that I designed for the TR4. This cam is currently running in three racing TRs, our TR3 (since fall 2005), Uncle Jack's TR4 (since spring 2006) and Tony Drew's TR4 (since spring 2007). We have all been very happy with the performance of the cam. You may recall Tony's post after the MOTRAH event (http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2007-05/msg00330.html). The cam has 298 degrees duration seat-to-seat, 251 degrees at 0.050, and 0.376 cam lift. Lobe separation is 108 degrees. It produces good power in the 4000 to 6500 RPM range. Tony and Jack's dyno runs showed peak horsepower at about 6000 RPM. I think it is the good low end power that enhances driveability with this cam. If you want to spin your engine to 7000, it is probably not the cam for you. If you are interested, the cost is $400 each and you must furnish a stock cam as a core. I know this is high for a reground cam, but believe me, most is going to the cam grinder, who does top quality work. Please let me know off list, if you're interested in one of these cams. I can also furnish additional technical information if you need it. Larry Young From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 12:23:13 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:23:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 rear whel camber for autox Message-ID: I run -1 deg front, and -2 deg rear. Front and rear toe set to 1/8. Use factory castor ot both ends. Shane >For autocrossing a TR6, if 3 degrees negative camber is a good place to >start on the front wheels using radials, what is a good start on the rear >wheels? Is it the stock negative one degree? Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 28 14:47:27 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry In-Reply-To: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> References: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5762EA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Larry, Are you coming to TWS? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:40 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry This is a commercial message to let you know that I am planning to make another run of the camshafts that I designed for the TR4. This cam is currently running in three racing TRs, our TR3 (since fall 2005), Uncle Jack's TR4 (since spring 2006) and Tony Drew's TR4 (since spring 2007). We have all been very happy with the performance of the cam. You may recall Tony's post after the MOTRAH event (http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2007-05/msg00330.html). The cam has 298 degrees duration seat-to-seat, 251 degrees at 0.050, and 0.376 cam lift. Lobe separation is 108 degrees. It produces good power in the 4000 to 6500 RPM range. Tony and Jack's dyno runs showed peak horsepower at about 6000 RPM. I think it is the good low end power that enhances driveability with this cam. If you want to spin your engine to 7000, it is probably not the cam for you. If you are interested, the cost is $400 each and you must furnish a stock cam as a core. I know this is high for a reground cam, but believe me, most is going to the cam grinder, who does top quality work. Please let me know off list, if you're interested in one of these cams. I can also furnish additional technical information if you need it. Larry Young rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 28 16:54:12 2007 From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: <082820072254.22612.46D4A794000B4AA3000058542158766720990E04D2069D@att.net> I'm sure he was using the scotchbrand invisable tape that is so popular. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > I just got my Vintage Motorsports. Killer picture of Tony....and if you look > with magnifying glass you can a lot of the rest of the gang on the next page. > > Tony's Tech: Obviously, Tech Inspection missed the fact that those > absolutely stunning P-700 Lucas Tri-Pod Headlamps are not covered with tape. I > cant > believe that Jack W missed that. > > This was a good weekend....thanks to all who participated, especially Kas & > Peg. > > Regards, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > westerneagleracing at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:56:27 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:56:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2007 6:54:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net writes: I > cant > believe that Jack W missed that. I have people for that. However, we are also able to detect real from fake. jw ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Aug 28 21:24:53 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amphicar video Message-ID: Not a racer, but an interesting bit of video given the Amphicar is powered by a Triumph Herald engine. Check out: http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/videos/OCW/ocw_tv.asp Cheers, Bill Sohl From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 28 22:00:10 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:00:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 23:49:50 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil Message-ID: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Wed Aug 29 02:22:32 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: <698094.11319.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, I have a TR2 and a TR3 using 89mm bores proved to be very reliable and drivable. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark J. Bradakis To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2007 2:00:10 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Feel safe with award winning spam protection on Yahoo!7 Mail. http://mail.yahoo.com.au From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Aug 29 05:31:25 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <608607.2353.qm@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark: I've done customer cars with 89 mm sets from Ken G. With a lightened flywheel from Joe A. or an aluminum flywheel from Ted S. both proved to be great street cars. They just plain PULL! Both cars outperform another customers TR4 I did with 87's and a Judson. Embarrassing for the TR4 owner and a lot less hassle for installation. -ED- "Mark J. Bradakis" wrote: So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Wed Aug 29 10:29:23 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil In-Reply-To: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> References: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> Message-ID: <8C9B870E4AA8A9D-DD4-45B@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> I've always used 85W90 synthetic blend.? 145 may be too thick, but I have no direct experience with the heaver grade. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Differential oil I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 29 10:38:10 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:38:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wanting to contact Steve Smith Message-ID: <20070829164048.UFAQ5837.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Steve could you contact me directly. Thanks! From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:05:32 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? References: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From earthron at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:18:29 2007 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Message-ID: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:40:33 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limerock References: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: To any FOTers coming to Limerock. Please be sure to drop by and say Hi. Unless the enforcement toughens up we'll have ample adult beverages. We're a bit hard to miss--the big Airstream and the ugly car right at the bottom of the paddock road. From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:40:59 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Might be hard to get clutches for -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ron Jones Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:53:29 2007 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Prepped Crank Message-ID: <463288.65092.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Any one have an 1147 race prepped "STD" (not cut) crank sitting around collecting dust? Mine is in 2 pieces. Also looking for "lightened" 1147 standard connecting rods Thanks Jay --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Aug 29 14:00:06 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:00:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A576FEF@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Isn't that a Detroit locker missing some parts? Might be a good piece for me to have for spare parts. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Jones Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 29 14:02:30 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008a01c7ea77$881035c0$0401a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Looks like a Detroit Locker to me. Not what you would call a true limited slip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Ron Jones" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL > Might be hard to get clutches for > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ron Jones > Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:18 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL > > Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay > item > 330158694908. > > Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 > and > 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat > 70's. > > Curently ay 113.50 > > Ron > '63 TR4 Race Car > '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Aug 29 14:02:31 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Prepped Crank Message-ID: Contact Joe Siam. I believe he's at JSiam1 at earthlink.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Aug 29 17:52:53 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine In-Reply-To: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12c811f99011d1131c69cd972e057a6d@wi.rr.com> FoT, I talked with Scott Paceley who shot and wrote the article. Digital photo prints are available at $16 for a 5x7, $20 for an 8x10, $34 for an 11x17, etc. He can be contacted at 217.356.0810 or . He will also be at the VSCDA Fall Festival at RA. Allen On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > I echo Joe's remark. Great action shot Tony! You may > race the rest of your life and never get exposure like > that again. And if I recall it was a totally great > weekend for you and most all other FOTers. Those > "Alexander Headlamp Covers" really jump out at you. > > By the way Tony, if you are interested in copies or > enlargements of that picture, read the editors answer > to 15 Minutes of Fame. > > Ken Suhre > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > awashatko at wi.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From adcronin at ameritech.net Wed Aug 29 17:56:17 2007 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot adcronin at ameritech.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 29 18:10:29 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:10:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. Tim Murphy #317 TR-4 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 29 18:51:35 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? In-Reply-To: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <20070830005229.811B11879D7@autox.team.net> I bought a couple of "spare" pairs of the oversized round ones from Cambridge. With shipping, they ended up being about $100 a pair. Yikes. I thought I had a broken motor mount but was wrong. I've had a pair of them in my car for 3 1/2 years with nary a problem. I hit the same pothole. Pretty pricey compared to the Moss / BPNW ones, but replacing them sucks. That said, the "little" round ones from Moss / BPNW have lasted us much longer than 4 races. I have no experience with the square ones. - Tony At 07:10 PM 8/29/2007, Tim Murphy wrote: >Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round >style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the >round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at >Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than >academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and >we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last >discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for >the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > >Tim Murphy >#317 TR-4 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tony at tonydrews.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 19:16:41 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: Tim I use the round ones, but I also have the Torque Reaction Arm in place. This is an OEM part used on the TR4. It limits the travel of the engine when going from extreme braking to full throttle. There is absolutely no question that it does, as I removed mine to reverse engineer this part to produce it. The result was bent velocity stacks at the next outing. Subsequently, I think it also reduces the stress on the rear tranny mount. If anyone needs one, I have a few on the shelf. Joe > > Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round > style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the > round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at > Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more > than > academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss > and > we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last > discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for > the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR-4 > From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 19:23:55 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:23:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: I have been getting correspondence from Drayton Sleeves. They appear to be a very serious producer of sleeves, including custom sleeves. Anyone have any experience with them? Joe (A) > Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and > his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. > > Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top > wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm > going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > > So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck > Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. > > Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable > motor? > > mjb. > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > adcronin at ameritech.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Planning & Development Services > A. Daniel Cronin > 248 761-2673 > _______________________________________________ > From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 19:54:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? References: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: I through-bolt square ones. Doesn't do much for vibration, but they don't break. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Tim Murphy Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 5:10 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. Tim Murphy #317 TR-4 billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 20:25:58 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Correction Darton Sleeves, not Drayton Message-ID: my apologies.... From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 30 00:06:31 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:06:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: <934A7DEE5834475AB035CB594BB4B4D1@Notebook> I agree with Joe. A torgue rod is mandatory for racing purpose....and even more if you do standing starts. Since I use the torgue rod I hadn't any failure of the motor mounts. I use the square ones and fill the caves with windshield glue (don't know the proper name) Cheers chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:16:52 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:41 EDT To: timmurph at fastbytes.com, fot at autox.team.net X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 50 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: rpm724 at charter.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: Tim I use the round ones, but I also have the Torque Reaction Arm in place. This is an OEM part used on the TR4. It limits the travel of the engine when going from extreme braking to full throttle. There is absolutely no question that it does, as I removed mine to reverse engineer this part to produce it. The result was bent velocity stacks at the next outing. Subsequently, I think it also reduces the stress on the rear tranny mount. If anyone needs one, I have a few on the shelf. Joe > > Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round > style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the > round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at > Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more > than > academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss > and > we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last > discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for > the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR-4 > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 30 00:59:08 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:59:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil Message-ID: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> I use only GL5 qualitiy. If I get W90 GL5 for the diff. Gearbox GL 4 oil. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Differential oil Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:29:53 -0500 X-Original-To: FOT at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net, FOT at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:23 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI From: chasgee at aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30128 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential oil X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: I've always used 85W90 synthetic blend.? 145 may be too thick, but I have no direct experience with the heaver grade. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Differential oil I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 30 06:43:01 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Forgetting the liners for a moment what about the stuck Grose jets in TR6's? I have seen that many times. I suspect its not the jets but rust in the fuel system sending unwanted particles forward, but I stopped using Grose jets a long time ago. What is the general consensus? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A Daniel Cronin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mark J. Bradakis; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot adcronin at ameritech.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Aug 30 07:06:11 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] torque rods Message-ID: <200708301306.l7UD6NvU267586@ns3.geneseo.net> (Opinion) I think torque rods are a good thing for cars with Webers, but not cars with SU's. Whenever I'm asked to help find the problem of an SU equipped car that is breaking up at around 5000 rpm, the first thing I check is to see how tightly the engine is tied don. If it can't move a little bit, the natural four banger vibration is transferred to the carbs and causes foaming and irregular fuel supply. Joe's torque arm is probably the best solution for SU or Stromberg cars. Of course all this can be alleviated by using soft mounts for the carbs. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 30 07:35:48 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:35:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Engine Torque Rods & Torque Reaction Arms Message-ID: FoT Our Triumph TR4 Torque Reaction Arm is 'non-contact', from engine to frame, until it is needed. It is a Triumph OEM part that is available through Moss, as a reproduction part, or directly from me. I use stock front round mounts with no issues. Our rear mount is solid rubber with modified mounting plates and hardware. The rear mount rubber durometer is about the equivalent of the front mounts. Of course my TR4 #197 HP was dynoed at about 120 HP and I seldom exceed 6,000 RPM. We apparently get no fuel foaming with the 175 Strombergs as I can run an entire weekend without a stumble. Joe (A) > Joe's torque arm is probably the best solution for SU or > Stromberg cars. Of course all this can be alleviated by using soft > mounts for the carbs. > > uncle jack > From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 30 07:43:45 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:43:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes?, now Grose Jets In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com > References: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <20070830134440.CBAD0187A61@autox.team.net> Grose jets (in racing, anyway) = bad news In SU carburetors, they can't handle the vibration and fuel pressures racing requires in my experience. - Tony Drews At 07:43 AM 8/30/2007, Kramer, Robert wrote: >Forgetting the liners for a moment what about the stuck Grose jets in >TR6's? I have seen that many times. I suspect its not the jets but rust >in the fuel system sending unwanted particles forward, but I stopped >using Grose jets a long time ago. What is the general consensus? > > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net >[mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of A Daniel Cronin >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 PM >To: Bill Babcock; Mark J. Bradakis; FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > >Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's >and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, >etc. > >Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat >top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my >street TR3. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. >Bradakis >Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM >To: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > >So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose >Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. > >Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable >motor? > >mjb. >billb at bnj.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >adcronin at ameritech.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Planning & Development Services >A. Daniel Cronin >248 761-2673 >rkramer at rdoequipment.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tony at tonydrews.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 30 08:06:46 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Differential oil In-Reply-To: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> References: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > I use only GL5 qualitiy. If I get W90 GL5 for the diff. > Gearbox GL 4 oil. If you have a stock TR differential, you want to use GL4 gear oil. There are brass bits in there (planet gear thrust washers, for example). I realize that this point is moot owing to most folks on the list running Quaifes, Detroit Lockers and stuff like that which have zero brass, But I just thought I'd float the idea... > Cheers > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Aug 30 11:13:32 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:13:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Limerock Message-ID: <20070830.131332.22154.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> I will be there working in timing and scoring in the tower on Saturday and Monday. I will try to stop by either before or after racing starts/stops for the day. Bill, let me know if you happen to need any TR parts for repairs and I will see what I can do. Joe(B) -- "Bill Babcock" wrote: To any FOTers coming to Limerock. Please be sure to drop by and say Hi. Unless the enforcement toughens up we'll have ample adult beverages. We're a bit hard to miss--the big Airstream and the ugly car right at the bottom of the paddock road. jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijnccb07fah9Iu65jUI7AbjWnYl sM0HZ7TJeHpnhZ8KzzsyJA/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 30 15:37:43 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:37:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 Message-ID: "You can share this information with the list if it helps. Dick Stockton uses the round motor mounts as well as your torque reaction arm (mounted on the opposite side of the factory mount so it works under acceleration). He has had no fuel foaming issues running it in this configuration. Bob" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Dick Stockton's FOT Alter Ego reports that Dick uses the Torque Reaction Arm on the opposite side (Driver), instead of the passenger side. This will work from full acceleration and makes sense. However, I think the factory put it on passenger side to limit the first action (rotation of engine) under severe braking. This limits the full travel of the engine, from left to right at the top of the engine, when you come off of the brake and go directly to full throttle. (Visual engine rotating from extreme left to extreme right at the top) The ultimate solution might be put the Torque Reaction Arm on BOTH sides of the engine. I may consider that for mine. Note: Since the TRA is normally in no direct contact with the frame, it will not transfer vibration to the float bowls. The same concept will work with the TR3, but it needs different dimensions to fit. Someone asked about this (BDI).......................................... I have never tried it on a TR4A frame. Joe (A) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 30 16:38:38 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C2903@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I have one on a TR4A and it doesn't fit quite right. I may do some fiddling to get it to fit. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:38 PM To: ra85 at drexel.edu; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 "You can share this information with the list if it helps. Dick Stockton uses the round motor mounts as well as your torque reaction arm (mounted on the opposite side of the factory mount so it works under acceleration). He has had no fuel foaming issues running it in this configuration. Bob" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ ----------------------------------------- Dick Stockton's FOT Alter Ego reports that Dick uses the Torque Reaction Arm on the opposite side (Driver), instead of the passenger side. This will work from full acceleration and makes sense. However, I think the factory put it on passenger side to limit the first action (rotation of engine) under severe braking. This limits the full travel of the engine, from left to right at the top of the engine, when you come off of the brake and go directly to full throttle. (Visual engine rotating from extreme left to extreme right at the top) The ultimate solution might be put the Torque Reaction Arm on BOTH sides of the engine. I may consider that for mine. Note: Since the TRA is normally in no direct contact with the frame, it will not transfer vibration to the float bowls. The same concept will work with the TR3, but it needs different dimensions to fit. Someone asked about this (BDI).......................................... I have never tried it on a TR4A frame. Joe (A) rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Aug 30 17:23:57 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 Message-ID: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> http://www.showroomclassics.com/sportscar.php?id=692163dc6b03ace78a977981fc0e3efa From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 03:39:43 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:39:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 In-Reply-To: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: Hmmm... NO mention of what rear end he's using... If it's the original will it have enough beef to stand all the torque? I think the traditional hot rod upgrade would be a Ford 9" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:57 -0700 > To: william.r.riddle at usmc.mil; dan at thecarringtons.net; dana at summitwestsigns.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: dave at microworks.net > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 > > http://www.showroomclassics.com/sportscar.php?id=692163dc6b03ace78a977981fc0e 3efa > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > greenman62 at hotmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 31 13:40:25 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:40:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3><01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <00ea01c7e282$d557b7b0$0502a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <00b501c7ec06$c7801f50$0502a8c0@desktop> Alright FoTer's, we're ready to order the Diffs from Ken Gilanders @ British Frame and engine. We need 2 things a payment for half down and all persons to commit in a timely manner. I think given this is a Holiday weekend and some may not get this notice for a week or so, we will make a generous time frame to commit. How about 21 days. All deposits must reach Ken by the 21st of September. We need to send him a check for $750 for each unit ordered. At this time we have 6-8 persons interested in them. Ken has also told me that we may have found a may to get the shipping cost down a little also. I will find out if Ken needs a check or can take a credit card as well. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 Kens information is as follows: British Frame and Engine Telephone/Fax: 626-443-0939 Email: bfeken at copper.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Charly Mitchel >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs >>> >>> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated >>> cost. The >>> unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from >>> customs and the >>> shipping to each individual buyer. >>> >>> Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the >>> local shipping >>> costs. >>> This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. >>> Please let me know if >>> you're interested. >>> Charly Mitchel >>> TR6 #44 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> ryoung at navcomtech.com >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files >>> transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to >>> NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are >>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >>> whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence >>> and not disclosed to third parties without the written >>> consent of the sender. 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If you have received this electronic mail in error, >> please immediately notify the sender by return mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Aug 31 15:39:52 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:39:52 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day Message-ID: <20070831.173952.20472.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Listers, last weekend I raced in the the "Longest Day" 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges (east of Cleveland, OH). What a race! Our very own Ted Shumacher was the honorary starter. Ted has won this race a number of times in his TR8, even taking first overall. It was great to see Ted there and learn of the Triumph success there. Ted has also instructed there and his tips were very helpful to our team. I raced in the Rhinoceros Racing Mazda Miata in the SM class. We started 30th out of 35 starters and finished 17th over all and 7th in class. This was the first enduro for the car and the first 24 hour race for all team members. It was also my first time in a Miata and at this track. The car ran great, needing only tires, gas and a quart of oil. One team member liked driving the car so much that he went out and bought a Spec Miata this week. We were wondering how many TR3's I would have needed to finish such a race. With the current tune of my motor I would probably have needed 3 motors. I am sure a mildly tuned TR3/4 would run 24 hours fine, but with the rough track surface I am not so sure the suspension would have stayed together or the car would not have stayed on track. Turn 11 is taken flat out at the fastest part of the track and has quite a dip in it at the apex. It did not upset the Miata, but not so sure what my TR3 would do in it. Anyway, I digress. We had 6 drivers, but a couple were only doing 1 hour stints. I drove twice, 2 hours at a time (gas would only last 2 hours). It was raining when I got in the car at 7:30 pm and drove into the darkness. Fortunately the rain let up by around 8-8:30, for the rest of the race. There were some fog patches that showed up early in the morning. I got to drive in the daylight in the morning for another 2 hours. The light of morning revealed quite a few damaged cars. Many crunched, missing glass and fenders. A VW Golf had been on its roof during the night and was crushed at the rear. They had a backhoe and a pick-up truck tugging at it to stretch it back out. It kept going for a while, but was pitting very often. If you ever get a chance to participate or attend, go for it. It is quite the event. We are already making plans for next year. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Durable and cost effective steel buildings. Click for huge discounts. http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijm8EfCAQToHQ99eJvM3rzZoxoX mZqhdu2iK1z5td2GgVAcZc/ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 20:52:19 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day In-Reply-To: <20070831.173952.20472.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: >If you ever get a chance to participate or attend, go for it. It is quite >the >event. We are already making plans for next year. Joe(B) I agree, Joe; Quite the Event! I went twice in the early'80s. When you see all the beat-up cars still circulating in the morning, it looks insane. Like something out of Mad Max, only I don't know if it was out then. A group of four drivers wanted to enter, but none of them had a Showroom Stock car. Two FF, one BP and one GT-1. So they took on a fifth driver because his girlfriend had a clapped-out TR7 with a roll bar for her daily driver. At first it ran hot. I was sent to a TR7 in the spectator area. Turns out that car had run the previous year. It had wrecked into the tire wall and they couldn't extricate it, so the workers just piled tires on it to make it part of the wall. The drivers went to sleep but the crew got it out somehow and got it running and woke the drivers up to race some more. One of the crew bought it and fixed it up to drive on the street. Anyway, he gave me a radiator baffle which I installed. Ran cooler after that. It ran and ran with no problems, just got all beat up. Wonder what the girlfriend said when she got it back! The next year the four drivers returned with a brand new Mustang GT and a Ford dealership for a sponsor. The sponsorship was a discount on price and a helper. The helper turned out to be a salesman who knew nothing. All that car did was break. It was trashed but running at the finish. Quite an event! From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:10:27 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:10:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] What springs do I have? Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708011110y745bbf23w61e795971e4b194f@mail.gmail.com> A few years ago I replaced the front and rear spings in my TR6. Do not remeber who I got them from, though probably either Moss or BPNW. The fronts are red, the rears blue with yellow dashes on each loop. The fronts may have a second color also, just cannot remember. Anybody have any idea about what rate these have? and what their heights are? -- Chuck Arnold From yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 1 21:36:09 2007 From: yellow-green at sbcglobal.net (Dennis DeLap) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 20:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Paging Irv Korey In-Reply-To: <17616431.2096171185846399344.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <564015.38736.qm@web81714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dean - I have been trying to email you - they keep coming back. Is this your email address? Dennis DeLap tr3a58 at verizon.net wrote: Irv; Please send me an E-Mail. I have lost my address book. Dean yellow-green at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tedtsimx at bright.net Thu Aug 2 06:32:21 2007 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed Message-ID: <46B1CED5.90802@bright.net> FOTers, we have a few t.shirts left that need to be claimed (read this paid for and shipped). Trying to get this finished up adn off the shipping desk. Help. Following is list of unclaimed orders. Bill Babcock - 4 shirts - XL; Bob Davis - 2 shirts - XL; Steve Benford, JR - 3 shrits - L; Randall Young - 2 shirts - XL. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 12:21:48 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:21:48 -0400 Subject: [Fot] What springs do I have? Message-ID: Chuck wrote: >The fronts are red, the rears blue with yellow dashes on each loop. The >fronts may have a second color also, just cannot remember. > >Anybody have any idea about what rate these have? and what their heights >are? I cannot help with the fronts. I have blue with yellow stripe (like the Swedish flag) all round; I think they came from Moss as "competition springs". They are pretty soft and give a nice ride on the street. The fronts are 9" free length and 390 lb/in, the rears are 10.25" free length and 420 lb/in. Shane Ingate, moving a zillion tons of crap to New Mexico (bloody 'ell!) _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From simon at telephonestogo.ca Thu Aug 2 12:55:17 2007 From: simon at telephonestogo.ca (Simon Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 14:55:17 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Springs Message-ID: <030b01c7d536$aae568a0$3464a8c0@SIMON> I have the same springs as Shane, but on a TR4a. The car sits slightly lower, and feels fairly firm but not racecar hard. I bought them as "fast road" springs, I think from Triumphtune. Simon. From BillB at bnj.com Thu Aug 2 20:09:16 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 19:09:16 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed References: <46B1CED5.90802@bright.net> Message-ID: Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I need those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in them--cause I did! -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ted Schumacher Sent: Thu 8/2/2007 5:32 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed FOTers, we have a few t.shirts left that need to be claimed (read this paid for and shipped). Trying to get this finished up adn off the shipping desk. Help. Following is list of unclaimed orders. Bill Babcock - 4 shirts - XL; Bob Davis - 2 shirts - XL; Steve Benford, JR - 3 shrits - L; Randall Young - 2 shirts - XL. Thanks, Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From emanteno at comcast.net Thu Aug 2 20:49:05 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:49:05 +0000 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed Message-ID: <080320070249.7537.46B297A10008EA3600001D712200762194970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Bill Babcock" > Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I need > those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in them--cause I > did! What, you don't have a washer and dryer in your trailer? I thought it was well equipped. ;-) Irv From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 06:18:38 2007 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed References: <080320070249.7537.46B297A10008EA3600001D712200762194970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000901c7d5c8$6c963fb0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Yes he does but Bill's working on them to Using his T.shirts to clean the part Is the Dryer faster then the............Hmm Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Bill Babcock" ; "Ted Schumacher" ; Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FOT T.shirts not yet claimed > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Bill Babcock" > >> Hey Ted, visa, paypal, check or will you be at any race event soon? I >> need >> those shirts, all my FOT shirts look like I worked on Peyote in >> them--cause I >> did! > > What, you don't have a washer and dryer in your trailer? I thought it was > well equipped. > ;-) > Irv > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > wensley_tr at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Aug 3 10:07:24 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 11:07:24 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front springs Message-ID: <200708031607.l73G7U3b220380@ns3.geneseo.net> I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. Does anybody know of a source or application? uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From hottr6 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 3 13:38:59 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Fot] front springs Message-ID: Uncle Jack asked: >I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. >Does anybody know of a source or application? Eibach make a zillion different springs. You will need to know sping diameter, spring rate, free length, and length at free compression. The difference between the free length and the point at which the coils bind had to be at least as long as your travel. Luckily, Eibach's race spring catalog lists critical information like free height and compressed height on all its race springs. You can determine spring rate from the following: Spring rate = (shear modulus)*(wire diameter)**4 --------------------------------------------------- 8*(spring diameter)*(number of ACTIVE coils) Note that the **4 means raised to the 4th power. The easier method is to ask other TR4a drivers about what they are running, but I figure that you like to do your own research. Cheers, Shane Ingate, building a mountain of trash in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 3 14:26:51 2007 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 16:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Message-ID: <8315309.1186172811496.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am looking to buy a header for a GT6 anyone have one to sell? jsiam1 at earthlink.net Thanks Joe From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Fri Aug 3 18:03:26 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [Fot] front springs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200708040003.l7403WVX338191@ns3.geneseo.net> Thanks for the suggestion, but I struck out at Eibach. Eibach says they do not have any springs in their entire range that has the right diameter, length, and stiffness. The one spring that comes closest has an inside diameter of 2.5". But I did not look at the catalog itself. I called and talked with them. I guess I'll peruse the catalog myself. I had no idea that our sizes were so rare. At 02:38 PM 8/3/2007, you wrote: >Uncle Jack asked: > >>I want to try some stiffer front springs in my TR4. >>Does anybody know of a source or application? > >Eibach make a zillion different springs. You will need to know >sping diameter, spring rate, free length, and length at free >compression. HM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 > uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 18:24:39 2007 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:24:39 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Tilton master cylinders with triumph lines ? Message-ID: <000e01c7d62d$d87dbd60$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox> Hi again, I hope someone can lend some help with adapting Tilton masters to a TR4 brake system. Since I now have a dedicated MC for the rear brakes I'm not sure how to couple the two male lines. The stock line coming off the master is a double male to go to the original 3 way on the RF frame rail and one male for the MC. Even if I were to find a double female connector, then I would have to plug the 3rd port on the original 3 way. Also, are the Triumph fittings compatible with the tilton port ? The lines seem to thread nicely but the seats look different. Thanks again for the advice...again Jim Gray RMVR Neeeeeewbie Oh, I took everyones advice and bailed on the phantom grip and I'm going with the Quaife. From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 4 06:42:06 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:42:06 EDT Subject: [Fot] DRACO SPRING MANUFACTURING Message-ID: Mike James Sales www.dracospring.com 713.645.4973 Houston, TX While at Perfrmance Racing Industries Show last December, Rick Junkermeier discussed custom springs for the AMBRO builds. They said they can make anything to spec. They specialize in custom springs. We did not give them any specs at the time. Joe Alexander From billsohl at optonline.net Sat Aug 4 07:52:42 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2007 09:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin Message-ID: <487D87DF23F74212887A162C71998A3A@SohlPC> I would like to nominate Dan Cronin to the FOT list. I'm certain some of you already know Dan from the past. Dan is a former VTR VP and is now retired from his day job with lots of spare time to work on a TR2 he has owned for many years. Dan was at the VTR convention this year and took delivery of the frame that RATCO brought with them for display and for workshop sessions. The frame will be the platform for a "much less than stock" (significantly modified) TR2 with some interesting mods already in the works. Cheers to all Looking for a second. Bill Sohl From macdonaldp at rogers.com Sat Aug 4 08:11:24 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 10:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR8 Coupe F/S Message-ID: Sorry for the shameless commercial plug....thanks Paul Got to thin the herd ... too many cars not enough parking spots... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sat Aug 4 12:34:49 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 14:34:49 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin In-Reply-To: <487D87DF23F74212887A162C71998A3A@SohlPC> Message-ID: I'll second Dan. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+dmitchel=sbcglobal.net at autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Bill Sohl Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:53 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; adcronin at ameritech.net Subject: [Fot] FOT Nomination - Dan Cronin I would like to nominate Dan Cronin to the FOT list. I'm certain some of you already know Dan from the past. Dan is a former VTR VP and is now retired from his day job with lots of spare time to work on a TR2 he has owned for many years. Dan was at the VTR convention this year and took delivery of the frame that RATCO brought with them for display and for workshop sessions. The frame will be the platform for a "much less than stock" (significantly modified) TR2 with some interesting mods already in the works. Cheers to all Looking for a second. Bill Sohl dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 00:02:47 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 18:25:43 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 17:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips Message-ID: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of autocross? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 5 19:28:32 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 20:28:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips In-Reply-To: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7d7c0$53715f20$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <20070806012902.2BA2F187F91@autox.team.net> They are not needed. - Tony Drews At 07:25 PM 8/5/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when >doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of >autocross? Thanks, Jim From joeg at neb.rr.com Sun Aug 5 19:45:20 2007 From: joeg at neb.rr.com (Joe Guinan) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 20:45:20 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701c7d7cb$72ce63d0$43a6544c@Guinan> Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sun Aug 5 23:30:27 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:30:27 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000701c7d7cb$72ce63d0$43a6544c@Guinan> Message-ID: <000c01c7d7ea$e5d4dc00$c52a144c@computer> Thanks for your response Joe. At least this go around, I am running Kevlar pads. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 6 05:17:18 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:17:18 GMT Subject: [Fot] Anti-squeal strips Message-ID: <20070806.071718.4272.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com> When I ran Triumph brakes on my TR3 I still used the anti-squeal plates since I figured they were one more barrier to help reduce heat transfer from the pads to the pistons. Not sure that it made any difference. Joe(B) -- "jim hearn" wrote: Does anyone know whether or not you should use the anti-squeal strips when doing pads on a TR6 that does no street driving and only the hard braking of autocross? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Mon Aug 6 05:26:42 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:26:42 GMT Subject: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Message-ID: <20070806.072642.4272.1@webmail18.dca.untd.com> The issue of bedding in new pads is more of an issue of getting the pads to off gas. Those gases will reduce the stopping ability of the pads. Did the pads come with any bedding instructions? Sanding the pads will not bed them. Only friction and the associated heat will do this. Typically 5 or 6 hard brakings, but not to a stop with some cooling time in between works. You do not want to overheat them, but you do want them to get hot, then cool a little, 5 or 6 times. Joe(B) -- "jim hearn" wrote: Thanks for your response Joe. At least this go around, I am running Kevlar pads. Jim -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Guinan Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 6:45 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Fot Digest - Subject: Sanding brake pads? Jim, Interesting question... I have not heard of doing that, but it "sounds" logical. I know I'm careful with braking for the first light drives on a new set of pads - letting them bed in to the rotors. With new rotors, you don't have much to "bed in" to... One question - are these "competition" grade pads or stock? That might make a difference in the answers. Joe Guinan Fremont, NE 68025 joeg at neb.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 23:02:47 -0700 From: "jim hearn" Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? To: Message-ID: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c at computer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a little. This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot End of Fot Digest, Vol 9, Issue 4 ********************************* Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 6 06:07:03 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:07:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000c01c7d7ea$e5d4dc00$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA19@server.Triumph.local> My guess on this is if the pads were used, and you were putting new, refaced or different rotors on you might get some benefit from touching up the pads with sandpaper. Perhaps there could be some benefit from breaking any glaze or removing any surface irregularities that the old rotor cut into the pad. But new pads on new rotors I really can't see any benefit at all. Joe B just posted the facts on the degassing of the pads. That is what you are trying to accomplish, and heat is the only way that happens. If you are unwilling to drive the car to bed the pads there is always the technique where you hook your race car up to your tow vehicle and have your wife pull you up the street while you stomp the brake pedal. To paraphrase a well known, successful Triumph speed wizard, "That is either brilliant, or the stupidest thing I ever heard." Last I heard, the jury is still out on that one! :-) > From: "jim hearn" > Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? > > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing > front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not > a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand > spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about > sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? > If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch > the face up a little. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 6 06:51:48 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 07:51:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] =?utf-8?b?W0ZPVF0gw4LCoFNhbmRpbmcgYnJha2UgcGFkcz8=?= Message-ID: <15393169.3817391186404708383.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> Some how I can get a real clear picture of Henry and Helen doing just that on the back roads of CT. Dean >From: Henry Frye >Date: 2007/08/06 Mon AM 07:07:03 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? >My guess on this is if the pads were used, and you were putting new, >refaced or different rotors on you might get some benefit from touching >up the pads with sandpaper. Perhaps there could be some benefit from >breaking any glaze or removing any surface irregularities that the old >rotor cut into the pad. But new pads on new rotors I really can't see >any benefit at all. Joe B just posted the facts on the degassing of the >pads. That is what you are trying to accomplish, and heat is the only >way that happens. > >If you are unwilling to drive the car to bed the pads there is always >the technique where you hook your race car up to your tow vehicle and >have your wife pull you up the street while you stomp the brake pedal. >To paraphrase a well known, successful Triumph speed wizard, "That is >either brilliant, or the stupidest thing I ever heard." > >Last I heard, the jury is still out on that one! :-) > >> From: "jim hearn" >> Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? > >> >> On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing >> front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not >> a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand >> spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about >> sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? >> If >> not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch >> the face up a little. >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 6 10:55:30 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 12:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 12:47:09 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 11:47:09 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708061147h7589f46aw8b7aff1cdb985fa9@mail.gmail.com> At least it was not on a road course at 100mph! On 8/6/07, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 12:51:03 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:03 -0500 Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668902@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> I've seen that view. On an old Jeep Wrangler my wife and I rented in Mexico with bad hood hold-downs. Broke off the windshield and left a goose-egg on my wife's forehead. I almost left a goose-egg on the car rental agent's forehead when he tried to charge me for the damage... Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Robert Lang Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:56 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 12:52:50 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:52:50 -0500 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <8cbd782d0708061147h7589f46aw8b7aff1cdb985fa9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> <> OTOH, it IS in a parking lot with people standing around in inopportune spots... -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Arnold Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:47 PM To: Robert Lang Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event At least it was not on a road course at 100mph! On 8/6/07, Robert Lang wrote: > > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 6 13:00:33 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C74668906@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Barr, Scott wrote: > <> > > OTOH, it IS in a parking lot with people standing around in inopportune > spots... This particular venue is an abandoned airfield and the prepared cars can reach 75 + in spots. The episode is doubly embarrassing because both Mike (the driver) and I are currently licensed solo safety stewards. It's funny how you get caught up in the moment. In our de-brief, we decided that we need checklists for events. Either that or a responsible crew person to keep us from shooting ourselves in the feet! regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Mon Aug 6 16:42:48 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:42:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event In-Reply-To: <006701c7d876$61881fc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> References: <006701c7d876$61881fc0$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Message-ID: <000001c7d87b$1d2109f0$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Get a Spitfire! Little chance of that happening with one of those little cars. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Curry [mailto:spitlist at cox.net] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 3:09 PM To: Joe Curry Subject: Fw: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event > Hi, > > Do not do this: > > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov > > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). > > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the > shifter and only forgot "one thing". > > Doh! > > rml > p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jsiam1 at earthlink.net Mon Aug 6 17:53:31 2007 From: jsiam1 at earthlink.net (Joseph Siam) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:53:31 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Message-ID: <9763080.1186444411789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Mon Aug 6 18:06:06 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:06:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header In-Reply-To: <9763080.1186444411789.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:19:42 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:19:42 -0600 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894B@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Barr, Scott To: Joseph Siam ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dos_gusanos at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:31:31 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:31:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: done that twice in my TR3..................No goose egg, hardly even a spot on my helmet..............Henry Morrison> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 13:51:03 -0500> From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] FW: How Not to Start an AutoX Event> > I've seen that view. On an old Jeep Wrangler my wife and I rented in> Mexico with bad hood hold-downs. Broke off the windshield and left a> goose-egg on my wife's forehead. I almost left a goose-egg on the car> rental agent's forehead when he tried to charge me for the damage...> > Scott B.> > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net> [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf> Of Robert Lang> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:56 AM> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event> > Hi,> > Do not do this:> > http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov> > (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer).> > This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the> shifter and only forgot "one thing".> > Doh!> > rml> p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content.> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent> Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help |> Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> ---> scott.barr at mccarty-law.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > dos_gusanos at msn.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Mon Aug 6 20:22:48 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 19:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Carl's Membership Message-ID: <00d001c7d899$db034910$8583b304@Bud> Hi Fred..It's Racer Bud..FOT..Sonoma Ca. Carl Stirtz is still not receiving FOT emails(he was accepted 2 weeks ago) stirtzmachine at aol.com Who should I contact to get things going? Thanks...Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 6 22:23:29 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:23:29 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends Message-ID: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and road racing? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jmwagner at greenheart.com Mon Aug 6 23:31:50 2007 From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 22:31:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Triumph Herald Grill on EBay: FOR ENGINE BAY VENTS? Message-ID: <46B803C6.8090002@greenheart.com> Grill could modified to cover engine bay vents. --Justin http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=180146315174 From sbarr at McCarty-Law.com Tue Aug 7 06:08:02 2007 From: sbarr at McCarty-Law.com (Barr, Scott) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:08:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> << my question is "how early is early? >> I'm not certain of it, but it may be for the Mk I head (pre-TR250, I believe) - the one with the exposed pushrod tubes. The stud-holes at the outer ends of the header (fore and aft) are at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock, rather than being diagonally oriented across those ports. I checked it against one of my later GT6 heads. That later head had the stud-hole at 1 o'clock in the case of the port for #1 cylinder's exhaust valve. Scott B. ________________________________ From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:20 PM To: Joseph Siam; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Barr, Scott To: Joseph Siam ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, if anyone's interested. Scott B. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Siam Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe scott.barr at mccarty-law.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From S.Janzen at comcast.net Tue Aug 7 06:46:37 2007 From: S.Janzen at comcast.net (Scott Janzen) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:46:37 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header References: <3D19C37868680F46BA3E66A8945C9C7466894D@svr-exch01.mccarty-law.com> Message-ID: <009401c7d8f0$fee15780$6501a8c0@vefadvisors.com> You are correct about the exposed pushrod tubes/castings. Don't know about the studs. Kastner's first book addresses the differences and suggests not bothering with the early head for performance use. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barr, Scott" To: "KEVIN LYNCH" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > << my question is "how early is early? >> > > I'm not certain of it, but it may be for the Mk I head (pre-TR250, I > believe) - the one with the exposed pushrod tubes. The stud-holes at > the outer ends of the header (fore and aft) are at 3 o'clock and 9 > o'clock, rather than being diagonally oriented across those ports. I > checked it against one of my later GT6 heads. That later head had the > stud-hole at 1 o'clock in the case of the port for #1 cylinder's exhaust > valve. > > Scott B. > > ________________________________ > > From: KEVIN LYNCH [mailto:klynch_6 at msn.com] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:20 PM > To: Joseph Siam; fot at autox.team.net; Barr, Scott > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > > > Scott, guess my question is "how early is early? Sort of unlikely anyone > would want a Mk1 head. Especially for racing purposes? > During the winter Joe, there was talk of a few of us having a couple > made. Nothing in stone but will keep ya posted. kevin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Barr, Scott > To: Joseph Siam ; > fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] GT6 Header > > And it turns out that I may have a header for an early GT6 head, > if > anyone's interested. > > Scott B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+scott.barr=mccarty-law.com at autox.team.net] > On Behalf > Of Joseph Siam > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:54 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] GT6 Header > > Hi All I am still looking for a GT6 header. thanks Joe > scott.barr at mccarty-law.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > klynch_6 at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > s.janzen at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 7 07:25:29 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:25:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends In-Reply-To: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> Start with a bucket of dough. What you really want is the salisbury clutch type diff, currently manufactured by Tran-x. http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html These are not cheap. Another alternative is the Quaiffe limited slip, but that is a torque sensing gear drive design that requires both rear wheels on the ground to work right. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/quaife_app.htm Lift the inside wheel and it's not much better than an open diff. Another less expensive option is a welded diff - you can start with that and move up to the Tran-x. - Tony Drews At 11:23 PM 8/6/2007, jim hearn wrote: >What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and >road racing? Thanks, Jim From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Aug 7 09:26:06 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:26:06 -0800 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name is Steve Hare haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 Spitfire this year in the Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve picked the car up in New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in Washington State We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's racing the only Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're getting a stronger contingent of Triumphs up here lately. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From triosan at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 08:46:25 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 07:46:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Second Steve Hare for membership Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708070746q25d58cb7k37c73cb2596115de@mail.gmail.com> How could I not second anotherr NW racer!. Welcome aboard to Steve. On 8/7/07, Charly Mitchel wrote: > > I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name is Steve Hare > haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 Spitfire this year in > the > Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve picked the car > up in > New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in Washington State > We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's racing the > only > Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're getting a stronger > contingent of Triumphs up here lately. > Thanks, > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Tue Aug 7 09:27:31 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:27:31 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <00bb01c7d907$4647af50$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: Man...If only there had been other Spitfires to race with when I lived up there!!! He gets a second from me... ----- Original Message ----- From: Charly Mitchel Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 10:21 Subject: [Fot] nomination To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: haretoday at comcast.net > I'd like to nominate a Triumph guy to our ranks. His name > is Steve Hare > haretoday at comcast.net and has started racing a 1963 > Spitfire this year in the > Sovren & SCCA races in the Pacific Northwest area. Steve > picked the car up in > New York and brought it back to Gig Harbor, his home in > Washington State > We think its great to have him with us here in the NW and he's > racing the only > Spitfire that we've seen in the last few years. We're > getting a stronger > contingent of Triumphs up here lately. > Thanks, > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gaf3 at charter.net Tue Aug 7 15:12:44 2007 From: gaf3 at charter.net (Glenn Franco) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:12:44 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Sanding brake pads? In-Reply-To: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7d726$3f9ea880$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46B8E04C.10604@charter.net> jim hearn wrote: > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing front rotors and > putting in new pads. Since this car is not a driver and I tow it to event, > the pads will be brand spanking new for my next autocross event. I have > read about sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch the face up a > little. > > This is my first post. Thanks for having me. I've enjoyed the posts and > look forward to lots of correspondence as I try to keep my one time SCCA > club racer TR6 as active as possible. Jim > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > gaf3 at charter.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > Jim Sanding the brake pads or rotors will do the opposite of what you are trying to achieve. Typically burnishing or bedding the brakes requires a series of moderate brake stops (.3g @ ~ 30-35 mph) with some cooling time in between. On a vehicle driven on the street this can occur during normal (moderate driving). I use to have pads and rotors pre burnished on a brake dyno before driving events (if you know someone in the brake business this can be done). Part of the burnishing or bedding process involves setting up a transfer layer of material ( from the pads) on the rotors. For your purpose I would find a deserted parking lot and do a series of hard brake stops with adequate cooling time in between (drive around to cool). It shouldn't take more that 6-12 stops to do it. Good Luck Glenn Franco 72 Spitfire Race Car (75% complete) Too many other TR's From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Tue Aug 7 18:32:16 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:32:16 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Speaking of Diffs, I need to get another LSD and would like to get a Tran-x if possible. Has anyone looked into buying a lot of them? I would think if we could get a commitment for about 10-12 units, we could save a little on them. These seem to be the only real alternative and they should fit quite a few different cars. Anyone else up for this? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends > Start with a bucket of dough. What you really want is the salisbury > clutch type diff, currently manufactured by > Tran-x. http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html These are not > cheap. Another alternative is the Quaiffe limited slip, but that is > a torque sensing gear drive design that requires both rear wheels on > the ground to work > right. http://www.upgrademotoring.com/performance/quaife_app.htm > Lift the inside wheel and it's not much better than an open > diff. Another less expensive option is a welded diff - you can start > with that and move up to the Tran-x. > > - Tony Drews > > At 11:23 PM 8/6/2007, jim hearn wrote: > >What a options for a limited slip rear end for a '74 TR6 used for autox and > >road racing? Thanks, Jim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Tue Aug 7 21:20:31 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:20:31 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 qrt panels HELP In-Reply-To: <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <000001c7d96b$1518e6b0$2b24b348@blake1> Anyone know where I can get outer quarter panels for a TR3? TRF gave me a pretty open ended response on availability. MOSS has not responded and Vicky Brit says not available. MOSS part No.s 855-730 QUARTER PANEL, L/H (dogleg) 855-720 QUARTER PANEL, R/H (dogleg) I cut out the bottom 6", which was rusted through on both sides anyways, to replace the inner sills. Now it looks easier to replace the whole panel than try and make replacement pieces...any suggestions? Thanks, Greg From BillB at bnj.com Tue Aug 7 21:36:41 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:36:41 -0700 Subject: [Fot] [FOT] Sanding brake pads? References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA19@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: It's fairly standard practice to grind pads flat again after using them in calipers that are not particularly rigid. You do this to get them flat again because they get a taper during use. this is the only kind of "sanding" I'm familiar with. If you are trying to bed the pads this won't work at all, you need to get pad material transfered to the rotor, and heat the pad enough to drive out the volatile compounds in the pad surface that will otherwise insulate the pad from the disk. The only way is to do what the manufacturer says for bedding, which is usually to brake hard a few times, and then let the brakes cool and rest. Overnight is best. > > On my '74 TR6 used right now for autocross, I am changing > front rotors and putting in new pads. Since this car is not > a driver and I tow it to event, the pads will be brand > spanking new for my next autocross event. I have read about > sanding the pads. Is there any particular grit or technique? > If > not, I guess I'll use something like 100 grit and just touch > the face up a little. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 07:30:52 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 06:30:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a TR3? Stock and modified? Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some coin mount a challenge. Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 8 07:55:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:55:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: It would be interesting if the FoT got behind this effort in some way. Bonneville would be one of my 50s dreams to be there...more so if I could run it with a finished AMBRO. Vicarious involvement might be sufficient. Just saw THE WORLD'S FASTEST INDIAN for the first time. fun movie. Joe A > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 08:00:37 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:00:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070808140650.IBIR26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Bill is not on FOT. I'll ask him if he would like to be. He would certainly be good for the list. He lives about three miles away from me here in Mesa, AZ At 06:51 AM 8/8/2007, you wrote: >Interesting! > >I dream of running the AMBRO there when it is finished. Just to do it. > >More can get done if we all get involved. > >Where is he located? Is he on the FoT list? > >Joe Alexander > > >>I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at >>Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a >>TR3? Stock and modified? >> >>Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA >>(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k >>by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. >> >>Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >>donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some >>coin mount a challenge. >> >>Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: >> >>"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- >>4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >>available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >>_______________________________________________ From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Wed Aug 8 09:16:32 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 07:16:32 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I also have a Quaife and I'm not particularly happy with it. I can get inner wheel spin fairly easy, but I raced with an open diff last week and that's pathetic to use. I don't really want the locker type (eventhough they aren't readily available) and won't even want to consider a Phantom so that leaves the Tran-x as the only alternative in my mind. If I could get some kind of response on a quantity, I would check with BFE for a deal. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "Charly Mitchel" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends > Hi, > > I'm interested, but I can't commit 'till I know the $$$ amount. > > Ken Gillanders might work out an FOT price if pressed. > > I have two Quaifes and a Detroit Locker right now, but I can't seem to get > the balance between rear roll stiffness and lifting the inside wheel, so > I'm not a big fan of the Quaifes at this point. They work okay but I don't > like 'em for autocross that much. But they're "what I got", so that's > that. > > rml > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 8 08:18:14 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 10:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Limited slip rear ends In-Reply-To: <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <000a01c7d8aa$b50ac3d0$c52a144c@computer> <20070807132555.46B6A187A2E@autox.team.net> <004b01c7d953$92ef55a0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> <009b01c7d9cf$1ae6a7d0$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Charly Mitchel wrote: > I also have a Quaife and I'm not particularly happy with it. I can get > inner wheel spin fairly easy, but I raced with an open diff last week and > that's pathetic to use. > I don't really want the locker type (eventhough they aren't readily > available) and won't even want to consider a Phantom so that leaves the > Tran-x as the only alternative in my mind. > If I could get some kind of response on a quantity, I would check with BFE > for a deal. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 Keep me in the loop. rml #40 TR6 (we're not quite up to speed yet - :-) ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 08:30:37 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 07:30:37 -0700 Subject: [Fot] NASCAR Coach Reveals Winning Strategy Message-ID: <20070808143612.IMMI26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> http://www.theonion.com/content/video/nascar_coach_reveals_winning From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 8 10:56:15 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:56:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Message-ID: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: "David W. Riddle" >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a >TR3? Stock and modified? > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some >coin mount a challenge. > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 12:37:53 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:37:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... [enter current info here]" Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to shoot for. On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 8 13:03:02 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:03:02 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might be higher since 40 years has passed.:-) We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going as a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: David W. Riddle Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... [enter current info here]" Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerque NM P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to shoot for. On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > TR3? Stock and modified? > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > coin mount a challenge. > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:42:54 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:42:54 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> <2C379F0D-735A-44F8-9F4F-567BBD15A07A@earthlink.net> <022101c7d9ee$befe2900$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: Might it be time to go back Kas? Greg On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A > story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small > mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the > record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 > liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might be > higher since 40 years has passed.:-) > > We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going as > a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. > > Never Be beaten by Equipment > Kas Kastner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > To: David W. Riddle > Cc: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's > message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... > [enter current info here]" > Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... > looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! > Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I > have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. > I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium back in > the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to > shoot for. > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to > run at > > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is > for a > > TR3? Stock and modified? > > > > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia > Scorpion. > > > > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > > coin mount a challenge. > > > > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 13:59:10 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:59:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <41398EAB-8961-4DEC-A1E9-CE321A2DBC24@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <83DC71A3-7525-40D1-8CBB-B26B6D15F9A1@earthlink.net> > Now there's something for e-bay! 40 year old Bonneville salt from > Kas Kastner!! Probably bring lots of $$$. Save a bit in case some > FoT wants to take it back where it came from for luck. > Greg > > On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> I don't think so Greg. It was a tough 3 days there, still got the >> salt coming out of stuff I had there. >> >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> To: Kas Kastner >> Cc: David W. Riddle ; fot at autox.team.net >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >> >> Might it be time to go back Kas? >> Greg >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >>> On page 228 of my first book, the Handbook, you'll find the TR-4A >>> story at Bonneville. We did 128.2 mph in 1966. The TR-3 (small >>> mouth) might be a little quicker because of body shape, but the >>> record for the class is over 135 mph (back then) and the under 2 >>> liters is held by Alfa's at about 125 or so, all of these might >>> be higher since 40 years has passed.:-) >>> >>> We did this time with a had top and full windscreen etc so going >>> as a roadster and a full tonneau will give dividends. >>> >>> Never Be beaten by Equipment >>> Kas Kastner >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >>> To: David W. Riddle >>> Cc: fot at autox.team.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 11:37 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >>> >>> Very interesting idea... Also a bit ironic - For years, Connie's >>> message on our home answering machine has been "Elvis and I are ... >>> [enter current info here]" >>> Since our trip to Miller last month, the message has continued "... >>> looking for the worlds fastest Triumph"! >>> Sounds like the kind of effort I might want to get involved with. I >>> have the parts Bill is after and am right next door in New Mexico. >>> I just left Bill a message and hope to hear more soon. >>> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >>> TR4 #314 >>> Albuquerque NM >>> P.S. What was the speed record set by the aero TR3 in Belgium >>> back in >>> the '50's? Something like 126mph? Might be a good starting point to >>> shoot for. >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2007, at 7:30 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: >>> >>> > I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to >>> run at >>> > Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is >>> for a >>> > TR3? Stock and modified? >>> > >>> > Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a >>> Cosworth BDA >>> > (I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like >>> $20k >>> > by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia >>> Scorpion. >>> > >>> > Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a >>> > donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend >>> some >>> > coin mount a challenge. >>> > >>> > Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: >>> > >>> > "I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A >>> or TR- >>> > 4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if >>> > available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> > >>> > lunkercars at earthlink.net >>> > Fot mailing list >>> > Fot at autox.team.net >>> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> kaskas at cox.net >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 8 14:19:14 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 14:19:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <4D9BFBEC-234E-4B80-BFBD-9752300894DA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: > I thought I was done with this thread for a while, but... I've > honestly seasoned a meal or two with the real stuff. The taste buds > can't be fooled! > On Aug 8, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: > >> Now, you don't think I'd sell you just crap salt and claim it was >> the real McCoy do you? >> Heh heh Heh!!!!!! >> Never Be beaten by Equipment >> Kas Kastner >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer >> To: Kas Kastner >> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville >> >> Now there's something for e-bay! 40 year old Bonneville salt >> from Kas Kastner!! Probably bring lots of $$$. Save a bit in case >> some FoT wants to take it back where it came from for luck. >> Greg >> >> On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Kas Kastner wrote: >> >>> I don't think so Greg. It was a tough 3 days there, still got the >>> salt coming out of stuff I had there. >>> >>> Never Be beaten by Equipment >>> Kas Kastner From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 8 14:39:26 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:39:26 GMT Subject: [Fot] How Not to Start an AutoX Event Message-ID: <20070808.163926.18152.1@webmail15.dca.untd.com> When I bought my 1st TR3, it was in a barn in Kentucky. It had a bad clutch, so I had to replace the clutch to get the car to even move I was in college, so a trailer and tow vehicle were out of my reach. Changed the clutch and then took it for a test drive. Opps, forgot to fasten the Dzus fastners in the bonnet (and no safety latch). Up came the bonnet. One hinge stayed together, and held it from flying completely off. Still have that bonnet as a reminder (and in case I ever get desperate for one). Joe(B) -- Robert Lang wrote: Hi, Do not do this: http://web.mit.edu/~blang/www/Mike-Hood.mov (it's a quicktime movie, so you need quicktime on your computer). This is my co-driver (and car owner) at the wheel. We just fixed the shifter and only forgot "one thing". Doh! rml p.s. sorry for the non-Triumph content. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From billsohl at optonline.net Wed Aug 8 17:31:39 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 19:31:39 -0400 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070808133332.NHDP7956.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <01D314E1C40D476DA75DCA8771224BB0@SohlPC> Kas mentioned the TR4 effort getting up to 128mph. How fast does a prepped TR6 or SCCA raced TR8 get to? I recall also an effort some years back to field a TR8 at LeMans. The car reached (I think) 178 on the straight. VTR published a short story on the vehicle which was done at the time in the separate VTR English Channel newsletter. Cheers, Bill Sohl From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 19:13:31 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Message-ID: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. b_close at hotmail.com Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus Super7-clone that is a project. Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 19:14:26 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:14:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvc s.net> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stlnyc at msn.com Wed Aug 8 19:42:26 2007 From: stlnyc at msn.com (Fred & Mary Hodgson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:42:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: Sounds certifiable to me -SECOND! Fred Hodgson ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. b_close at hotmail.com Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus Super7-clone that is a project. Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html stlnyc at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 8 19:42:26 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:42:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Message-ID: Second that! FoT may wish to support the Bonneville Effort. I'd like to, in any way that I can. Joe A. From budscars at msn.com Wed Aug 8 19:45:01 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:45:01 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <000801c7da26$e8ed80c0$8783b304@Bud> Bill Has my 2nd.. Welcome Bill Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in Sonoma, ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Cc: "Bill Close" Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close >I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. > > b_close at hotmail.com > > Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis > Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus > Super7-clone that is a project. > > Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > budscars at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 20:32:52 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 19:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Message-ID: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kaskas at cox.net Wed Aug 8 21:34:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:34:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-ID: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 21:38:07 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 20:38:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Message-ID: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) TR6 in Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any ideas are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Wed Aug 8 22:48:14 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 21:48:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Message-ID: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From portermd at zianet.com Wed Aug 8 23:07:37 2007 From: portermd at zianet.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:07:37 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In-Reply-To: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46BAA119.606@zianet.com> jim hearn wrote: >Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? >Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a >good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, >Jim > > > Umm, my first guess is that the results would be highly unpredictable. Weight shifts from braking and acceleration combined with turns could make the car plenty jumpy. My favorite story about this sort of thing was from a dealership shop manager I used to work for (who had a VW/Porsche dealership once, before he lost it). Said he had a customer who complained of erratic handling with his 911. So he had the guy try to reproduce the problem while riding with him. The guy went into a very tight downhill, decreasing radius off-ramp at about 110 mph, and when he hit the brakes a bit, the car jumped sideways about four feet. "That's what I mean!," yelled the customer to the manager, who was very much shaken by the profound twitch, having seen a life or two flash before his eyes. They put the car on a rack and walked around and around it, trying to find something out of place. Everything looked just fine. No bad bushings, no obvious alignment problems or tire wear, etc. The tires were the same size and brand, all radials, etc. Then one of his mechanics noticed that the tires on the right side were single steel-belt and the rest were fabric, while the two on the left were all-steel-belted. They put a matched set of tires on it and the problem disappeared. So, even radials are not all created equal. Cheers. -- Michael D. Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 8 23:05:45 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:05:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <20070809052249.MXIQ7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Yep and my TR3 has never even dreamed of hitting 115 let alone 130. I think 110 would be easy for it to reach. I was cruising along at 100 on the freeway keeping up with the 911's, etc... during the BEAT run (http://www.beataz.com) with the throttle not even close to being buried. At 08:34 PM 8/8/2007, Kas Kastner wrote: As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Wed Aug 8 23:45:48 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:45:48 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close References: <20070809012247.CAAT26965.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <000801c7da26$e8ed80c0$8783b304@Bud> Message-ID: As my birthday (& others) is during Speed Week. Nothing would tickle me more than to cross the Rockies with friends in a RV & partake in the festivities some fine year! I gave World's Fastest Indian to several friends @ Christmas which was met with overall raves! I can only lend support & cheers in takin' the 3 to da' Salt! Even got a lift here in W. Denver for what it's worth... Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: RACER BUD To: fot at autox.team.net ; David W. Riddle Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close Bill Has my 2nd.. Welcome Bill Racer Bud..Spitfire #21 in Sonoma, ca. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" > To: > Cc: "Bill Close" > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: [Fot] Nominate Bill Close >I would like to nominate Bill Close to the FOT. > > b_close at hotmail.com > > Bill has been a racer from way back. Owns three nice TR-3's, a Lotis > Elan with a Cosworth BDA, Alfa Spider, Lancia Scorpion and a Lotus > Super7-clone that is a project. > > Bill is lookign at taking a TR-3 to Bonneville. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > budscars at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 9 05:19:11 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a > suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. The answer depends on your tires. If you run bias-ply slicks, you can run close to stock settings (-1.5 front, -.5 rear) providing you have a lot of roll stiffness. If you run radials, you want more than those numbers by about another degree or so. The difficulty in the front is getting more negative camber due to limits in the suspesnsion design. The rear is easy. > Thanks, Jim regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From tlizzard at msn.com Thu Aug 9 05:30:18 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:30:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: In a word. No. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: jim hearn To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:48 AM Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Group44TR7 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 06:07:39 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:07:39 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville - Drag Measurements Message-ID: Kas Where would one find the drag measurements for various Triumph models? Cary In a message dated 8/8/2007 8:32:59 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kaskas at cox.net writes: As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: fot at autox.team.net Cc: Bill Close Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > >Cheers, >Kurt O. > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > >To: fot at autox.team.net > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > >coin mount a challenge. > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > >_______________________________________________ > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > >Fot mailing list > >Fot at autox.team.net > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot group44tr7 at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 9 07:55:42 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:55:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Message-ID: In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 07:56:35 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:56:35 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Message-ID: FWIW, I run -1 front, -2 rear. I use 1/8 front and rear toe. Factory caster. Shane Ingate, still packin' and chuckin', in Maryland On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: >On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a >suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. The answer depends on your tires. If you run bias-ply slicks, you can run close to stock settings (-1.5 front, -.5 rear) providing you have a lot of roll stiffness. If you run radials, you want more than those numbers by about another degree or so. The difficulty in the front is getting more negative camber due to limits in the suspesnsion design. The rear is easy. >Thanks, Jim regards, rml _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 From hottr6 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 08:04:33 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:04:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: Bill Sohl asked: >Kas mentioned the TR4 effort getting up to 128mph. How fast does a prepped >TR6 or SCCA raced TR8 get to? I had Rags up to 201 mpg down Mulsanne Straight, and just recently ran 186 mph for best in class at Bonneville. At the end of each run, I would climb out of the car, make sure the jack stands were still in place, and close the garage door. All the while making VroomVroom noises. Shane Ingate, dreamin' a little, in Maryland _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 08:09:10 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: <020e01c7da8e$dc06e8c0$4d13c548@RWKastner> You can do a lot of experimenting with tire pressure to aid in using the two types of tires, but don't expect anything good out of it. I tried it once with the radials on the back of my TR-3 and figured I was lucky to get back to the pits alive. All I wanted was to change the gear ratio a little with the smaller radials.The oversteer was huge and adding 15 pounds of air helped a lot, but then the rounded tread gave up on anything high speed. Not worth the effort. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 9 08:50:05 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:50:05 -0600 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46BB299D.3010609@bradakis.com> The various classes, engine categories and recorrds can be found on the SCTA-BNI web pages, http://www.scta-bni.org A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? mjb. From cartravel at pobox.com Thu Aug 9 09:06:52 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> <20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> <015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about 160hp. Does this sound about right? Larry Young Kas Kastner wrote: >As he speed doubles the drag SQUARES, 100 is not 130. > >Never Be beaten by Equipment >Kas Kastner > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David W. Riddle > To: fot at autox.team.net > Cc: Bill Close > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > > My TR3 has a mild came and is bored out and has overdrive. Easily > exceeds 100 on the freeway without trying (Bill Close can attest to > this as he was trying to keep up in his Alfa Spider on the freeway. > > At 09:56 AM 8/8/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > >A TR3 would be in either the production or modified sports car > >class, from there the classes break down by engine size, blown or > >unblown, fuel or gas. All the info is on the SCTA website. Taking an > >outright class record would be pretty tough but it would be fun just > >to do it and he could probably lay clain to the worlds fastest TR3. > > > >Steve Hedke ran his very stock TR3 at El Mirage years ago just for > >grins and I think he was clocked at just under 100mph. > > > >Cheers, > >Kurt O. > > > > >From: "David W. Riddle" > > >Date: 2007/08/08 Wed AM 08:30:52 CDT > > >To: fot at autox.team.net > > >Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > > > > >I have a great friend that is thinking about building a TR3 to run at > > >Bonneville. Does anyone have any idea what the speed record is for a > > >TR3? Stock and modified? > > > > > >Bill owns three really nice TR-3's, a Lotus Elan with a Cosworth BDA > > >(I think that's the motor in it - the rare one that costs like $20k > > >by it's self) and Concours winning Alfa Spyder and a Lancia Scorpion. > > > > > >Bill has raced SCCA since at least sometime in the 70's and has a > > >donor car for a Bonniville project that he is willing to spend some > > >coin mount a challenge. > > > > > >Bill is also posted this want ad on our clubs forum: > > > > > >"I need to buy a rebuildable cylinder head for either a TR-3A or TR- > > >4. I need a high port head or will buy a whole motor if > > >available. Need ASAP. Bill Close (602)524-5351" > > >_______________________________________________ > > >http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > > >koblinger at verizon.net > > >Fot mailing list > > >Fot at autox.team.net > > >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >cartravel at pobox.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 09:17:54 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 08:17:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? -- Chuck Arnold From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 9 09:29:24 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:29:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed Message-ID: In a message dated 08/09/2007 10:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, triosan at gmail.com writes: > How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? > > Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? > > My guess is Babcock may have found that out at BRAINERD this past week end. Can't think of another track in the country where the straight (which includes Turns ONE and TWO in Bill's car) will allow you to approach top speed. I think 133 was mentioned (+/-). Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 10:52:52 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:52:52 +0000 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: > A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? Wow! Now paint it satin black with a hi-gloss classic flame job... MMMMMM!! Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 11:54:47 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:54:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California In-Reply-To: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000b01c7da36$b35352e0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <268ADA6C-54C3-4F15-9F45-E379623C8C1C@earthlink.net> Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow. Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerqeue NM On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote: > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > TR6 in > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > ideas > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From koblinger at verizon.net Thu Aug 9 12:00:09 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:00:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? Message-ID: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> >> A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? Actually, that would probably be a modified roadster or modified sports. A lakester is an open wheel non-production body, think belly tank. A streamliner is an envelope non-production body, think Mickey Thompson's Challenger. Just for grins and giggles, as best as I can tell, a TR would fit in either Modified Sports or Grand Touring Sports, probably in engine class F, 2.1 to 3.0 litre. The current records for class F Mod Sports is 200.240. For F Grand Touring Sports its 168.721. How much are forged unobtainium crankshafts these days? Cheers, Kurt O. From triosan at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:26:03 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:26:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708091126y6f36a99eub3c5a78e81d937a7@mail.gmail.com> Given his times at Pacific Raceway, where I run a car, that sounds possible. He probably gets close to max rpm at PR also. I am just shifting from 3rd to 4th when I enter the straight which is as long as a drag strip and its runout, so lots of time to go as fast as it will go. Not fast enough in my just getting sorted out TR5. Will go to 7500 in 3rd, but only 5000 in 4th [half way down that straight]. Hope my adjustments to the PI make a difference when I test and tune next week. According to my air/fuel meter, at that 5000 rpm I am running a little rich. Questions for the group: 1. What conditions should I check to "go faster". My change so far is to increase the maximum fuel screw on the PI mixture control unit. 2. Since this is PI, does that richness infer too much fuel? Would the change I mention above get worse? 3. What effect does being just a little too advanced in ignition have on top speed, versus it being just a little too retarded? 4. If ignition is dead on, what effect on top speed does having the cam timing retarded versus advanced? Thanks for all responses, I am sure they will be enlightening. On 8/9/07, BillDentin at aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 08/09/2007 10:18:25 AM Central Daylight Time, > triosan at gmail.com writes: > > > How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? > > Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? > > > > My guess is Babcock may have found that out at BRAINERD this past week > end. Can't think of another track in the country where the straight (which > includes Turns ONE and TWO in Bill's car) will allow you to approach top > speed. > > I think 133 was mentioned (+/-). > > Bill (Damdinger) > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- Chuck Arnold From norlinengineering at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 12:28:07 2007 From: norlinengineering at comcast.net (Norlin Engineering) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:28:07 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California In-Reply-To: <268ADA6C-54C3-4F15-9F45-E379623C8C1C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004f01c7dab3$0978a090$030ba8c0@TOSHIBALAPTOP> It's a bit of a tow, but Oregon and NW Regions of SCCA run a vintage group with their regional races. They permit anything up to and including 1982. I think next year it's going to be 25 years or older. You can find the rules at http://www.oregonscca.com/roadrace/2007/vintsup07final.doc Jim Norlin -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+norlinengineering=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg "Lunker" Hilyer Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:55 AM To: jim hearn Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow. Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico! Greg "Lunker" Hilyer TR4 #314 Albuquerqeue NM On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote: > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > TR6 in > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > ideas > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > which had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From robertten1 at aol.com Thu Aug 9 12:42:12 2007 From: robertten1 at aol.com (robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:42:12 -0400 Subject: [Fot] front springs for spitfire Message-ID: <8C9A8CC226E37BA-5D4-C7F3@webmail-da11.sysops.aol.com> Amici, To all the Spitfire racers -? what spring rates are you running on the front ??( Free lenght and weight )And from where did you purchace them ? Bob T ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 13:20:33 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> We have added a bunch of photos to the web site taken at the Miller event last month. you can see them at www.kaskastner.com. Not track photos but mostly people pics. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 9 13:40:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 15:40:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: GREAT T-SHIRTS! Chuck, any left? I want one. From chasgee at aol.com Thu Aug 9 13:46:47 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 15:46:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos In-Reply-To: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> References: <035401c7daba$5bfd7d20$4d13c548@RWKastner> Message-ID: <8C9A8D527F4B526-F88-16E0@mblk-d48.sysops.aol.com> Nice shots Kas! In case anyone is interested, I have a few of the event shirts left.? Unfortunately the only size I have left is 2XL.? Send me an email if you want one, $20 plus shipping. Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing Home of the 2007 Kastner Cup -----Original Message----- From: Kas Kastner To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 12:20 pm Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos We have added a bunch of photos to the web site taken at the Miller event last month. you can see them at www.kaskastner.com. Not track photos but mostly people pics. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Gt6steve at aol.com Thu Aug 9 14:13:11 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:13:11 EDT Subject: [Fot] Utah Miller race photos Message-ID: 2XL? That fits about all of the FOT doesn't it? In case anyone is interested, I have a few of the event shirts left.? Unfortunately the only size I have left is 2XL.? Send me an email if you want one, $20 plus shipping. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ryoung at navcomtech.com Thu Aug 9 15:12:23 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:12:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville In-Reply-To: <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net><20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner> <46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> Message-ID: <001101c7dac9$fa9b1e60$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome > drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something > like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about > 160hp. Does this sound about right? Sounds reasonable to me, but don't forget what configuration those tests were done with. 108 mph on 90 bhp sure sounds like it must've had skinny tires, skirts, no windshield and that metal tonneau cover; all to improve aerodynamics and reduce drag coefficient. Road & Track only managed 106 mph, with a 100 bhp 57 TR3. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From kaskas at cox.net Thu Aug 9 15:37:03 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 14:37:03 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville References: <8144929.11890331186592175360.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net><20070809012248.GXYO7193.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net><015a01c7da36$26f22100$4d13c548@RWKastner><46BB2D8C.1010904@pobox.com> <001101c7dac9$fa9b1e60$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <049201c7dacd$6d848260$4d13c548@RWKastner> My stock 1955 TR-2 wouldn't go 100 mph downhill with a hurricane at the back unless it were falling off a cliff.. About 90-92 at the high desert altitude. (and slightly downhill). It would get you there, just not all that fast. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Randall Young Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 @ Bonneville > Drag force goes with the square, but the power required to overcome > drag goes as the cube. The original TR2-3 road tests showed something > like 108 mph out of 90 hp. Scaling up to 130 mph would require about > 160hp. Does this sound about right? Sounds reasonable to me, but don't forget what configuration those tests were done with. 108 mph on 90 bhp sure sounds like it must've had skinny tires, skirts, no windshield and that metal tonneau cover; all to improve aerodynamics and reduce drag coefficient. Road & Track only managed 106 mph, with a 100 bhp 57 TR3. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rem9 at frontiernet.net Thu Aug 9 16:10:16 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:10:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: <014901c7dad2$137a54c0$03fea8c0@remsec1> Well, I watched Mike Jackson run his TR-3 at Mosport a couple of years ago on one radial and one bias on the rear axle. Seems he was lean on good rubber and reverted to whatever he had. I cannot confirm or reject the rumor he was racing on a trailer spare............He was still damn fast. Of course I think Mike could run on the bare rims and still outrun many of us! I was in a state of amazement! FWIW Russ Moore ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? > In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, > jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > > >> Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? >> Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a >> good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? >> Thanks, >> > > Jim... > > I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a > set > of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, > but > not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. > > This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, > where > they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear > tires > will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed > this > with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of > them > say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias > and > radial. > > I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. > > Bill Dentinger > > > > ************************************** > Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rem9 at frontiernet.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 9 18:46:53 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 18:46:53 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Fwd: FoT Newbie References: Message-ID: > Cool! Curious also. > Greg Hilyer > 323-K claremont Ave NW > Albuquerque NM 87107 > > On Aug 9, 2007, at 4:49 PM, chasgee at aol.com wrote: > >> Greg, >> >> Nostalgia Racing gave us awards, and one of them is yours. Give >> me your address and I'll mail it to you. >> >> Chuck From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 9 20:34:49 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:34:49 -0500 Subject: [Fot] World's Fastest Triumph? In-Reply-To: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs .net> References: <4167245.6378081186682409145.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20070810023519.9EAD81879C9@autox.team.net> As I recall, the original question was "what are the speed records for a TR-3 for both stock and modified". I would expect them to be somewhat less than the overall records. I couldn't find any list of speeds by make / model - just max for the F and G classes (a 83 mm TR-3 should qualify for G, I think). Would be cool to find some sort of detailed history of the attempts with make / model info. I've not googled that successfully yet. - Tony At 01:00 PM 8/9/2007, koblinger at verizon.net wrote: > >> A fenderless Gloria with TR8 power in the lakester class?!? > >Actually, that would probably be a modified roadster or modified >sports. A lakester is an open wheel non-production body, think belly >tank. A streamliner is an envelope non-production body, think Mickey >Thompson's Challenger. > >Just for grins and giggles, as best as I can tell, a TR would fit in >either Modified Sports or Grand Touring Sports, probably in engine >class F, 2.1 to 3.0 litre. The current records for class F Mod >Sports is 200.240. For F Grand Touring Sports its 168.721. How much >are forged unobtainium crankshafts these days? > >Cheers, >Kurt O. From dos_gusanos at msn.com Thu Aug 9 22:30:22 2007 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (dos_gusanos at msn.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 22:30:22 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California Message-ID: Be careful, what qualifies as "Vintage in "Progressive New Mexico" is any car that arrives with entry money. The problem with SWMS and their progressivism is cars with flares and slicks are allowed as well as refugees from Saturday night ovals that feature schedule 40 front bumpers. Vintage racing is about the passion for the cars that participated in the golden era of road racing and not weekly changing the rules to accomodate whatever car happens to be rusting away in whoever's backyard. So, get a car that qualifies and support the best vintage racing in the country that is in your own backyard (CSRG, HMSA). You'll be glad you did and may even see a refugee from New Mexico, putting around some track in Northern California..................................Henry Morrison, Albuquerque, New Mexico > From: lunkercars at earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 11:54:47 -0600> To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net> CC: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Race opportunities in Northern California> > Little help you you in northern Cal, but... Our club - Southwest > Motorsports [swms.org] is trying a progressive approach to this > issue. We now accept what we call "Continuation Cars" in our vintage > group. On the web-site under "forms" is a comprehensive list of what > cars qualify. The idea being that if a car was in production in '72 > and the basic specs/body type continued in production, the car would > qualify. i.e. TR6 thru '76, Spits thru '80 etc. Word is getting out > and our grids are growing. We tried also having a pre '67 "Pure > Vintage" group for the purists, but never got enough cars to fill a > grid for a separate race group. Our racers all preferred to be in the > larger group with the most action. Might be something for other clubs > to look at. At least the clubs that want to grow.> Come visit some time - Your '74 is welcome in New Mexico!> Greg "Lunker" Hilyer> TR4 #314> Albuquerqeue NM> On Aug 8, 2007, at 9:38 PM, jim hearn wrote:> > > I am autocrossing in Stockton and plan to do Atwater but it looks like> > vintage racing is fairly limited for a '74 (cutoff seems to be '67) > > TR6 in> > Northern California. Is there anything that I am overlooking? Any > > ideas> > are more than welcome. Thanks, Jim in Sacramento> >> > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef > > which had a name of winmail.dat]> > _______________________________________________> > http://www.team.net/donate.html> >> > lunkercars at earthlink.net> > Fot mailing list> > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > dos_gusanos at msn.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Fri Aug 10 09:11:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:11:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis Message-ID: Mark, The email address I have for you bounces. Can you contact me? Joe A From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 17:42:18 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:42:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 130 HP, 135MPH (ACCORDING TO MY GPS THINGY) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Arnold [mailto:triosan at gmail.com] Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 8:17 AM To: Friends; Bill Babcock Subject: Peyote speed How soes that title line sound for a little Led Zepplin listening? Anyway, Bill, what do you estimate Peyote's hp and maximum speed to be? -- Chuck Arnold From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 17:52:25 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:52:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: <000201c7da40$7ed21dd0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: They can, but the handling will suck so bad it will probably kill you. Smart answers aside, it's not a good idea. People have tried it for several reasons (experimenters zeal, financial constraints, ignorance) and the results is never very pretty. You'll generally have very unpredictable transitions and a lot of sliding. Fun, but so is driving on ice. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 9:48 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 18:17:19 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:17:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? References: <000001c7da2d$962e03d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: Depends on your tires and the amount of camber gain you have. If you want to do it via measurement, you need to determine the camber gain and the typical deflection of the suspension. Not easy to do. Otherwise, get a tire temperature pyrometer and a skid pad (A big parking lot with no neighbors) and go round in circles until the tires heat up to more than 110. Measure the temperature at outside, middle and inside of each tire. Make sure you do circles in both directions. If the middle is hotter than the inside and outside, your tire pressure is too high. Decrease tire pressure until the middle is the same as one side. then read everything again. If the inside is more than a few degrees hotter than the outside then you are too negative. Or vice versa. Lather rinse repeat. Then use a camber guage to measure what you have, and there's the right answer. Here's the wrong one, but it's easier: Radials: 3 degrees negative, Bias Ply 0 degrees. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 7:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 10 18:28:30 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 17:28:30 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? References: Message-ID: People actually do this all the time, I know most of the poopers run Hoosiers on the back and avons on the front. But it takes a lot of fiddling to make that work: tire pressure, camber, and sometimes toe. You seem more like a "show up and drive" kind of guy. I don't think you're likely to put in the effort to make that work. there's about a twenty percent chance it will feel okay to you. Be sure to bring backup tires the first time. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Thu 8/9/2007 6:55 AM To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Can radial and bias race tires be mixed successfully? In a message dated 08/08/2007 11:49:19 PM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Does anyone know if radial and bias race tires can be mixed successfully? > Would bais race tires on the front and radial race tires on the back be a > good thing for autocross or not as good as all four race radials? Thanks, > Jim... I am wrestling with a related issue right now. Two years ago I bought a set of Goodyear Blue Streaks for my TR3, only to find the fit on the front, but not on the rear. They've been on the shelf since. This spring I decided I wanted to see if I could run them on the front, where they fit, and run different tires in the rear. In this case the rear tires will be by another manufacture, and a different size. I have discussed this with three different distributors, including SASCO and WOODMAN. All of them say, while uncommon, there is no problem doing so, EXCEPT don't mix bias and radial. I've not tried this yet, but will be doing so shortly. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Sat Aug 11 08:51:03 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:51:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting. Top speed number is higher than the HP number. A very efficient package. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Babcock To: Chuck Arnold ; Friends Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Peyote speed 130 HP, 135MPH (ACCORDING TO MY GPS THINGY) From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:01:25 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:01:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with a good match here. Jim in Sacramento [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:05:04 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:05:04 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Engine oil level for autox and time trials Message-ID: <000601c7dc31$6155ce30$c52a144c@computer> I am reading and hearing different things; should it be over or under full? I am using the felt dipstick spacer on my TR6. Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:22:34 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:22:34 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> Hi Bill, Thanks for a great response. I have used the shoe polish on the sidewall to check for tire turnover and will put a temp gauge in my routine. I have a laser no contact type and I assume these will work as well as the probe type. What I was looking for on the alignment settings was a starting point. I have only had this TR6 about a month and a half. Referring to another post you sent me, I think I am far from a show up and drive person. I have been working on this car since the day I got it. I do do autox/race on a budget and try to do the most myself and get the most bang for the buck. Thanks again for your responses, Jim -----Original Message----- From: Bill Babcock [mailto:BillB at bnj.com] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 5:17 PM To: jim hearn; fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? Depends on your tires and the amount of camber gain you have. If you want to do it via measurement, you need to determine the camber gain and the typical deflection of the suspension. Not easy to do. Otherwise, get a tire temperature pyrometer and a skid pad (A big parking lot with no neighbors) and go round in circles until the tires heat up to more than 110. Measure the temperature at outside, middle and inside of each tire. Make sure you do circles in both directions. If the middle is hotter than the inside and outside, your tire pressure is too high. Decrease tire pressure until the middle is the same as one side. then read everything again. If the inside is more than a few degrees hotter than the outside then you are too negative. Or vice versa. Lather rinse repeat. Then use a camber guage to measure what you have, and there's the right answer. Here's the wrong one, but it's easier: Radials: 3 degrees negative, Bias Ply 0 degrees. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Wed 8/8/2007 7:32 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? On a '74 TR6 being used for autocross (no street use at all), what is a suggested initial set up for the amount of negative camber front and rear. Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vintage.racer at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 10:34:19 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:34:19 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <000a01c7dc35$77f152f0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Jim: Try a bit of the sailboat deck paint which produces a gritty, non-skid surface. Might be able to find it at a hardware store or if not, certainly at a marine supply. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 11 10:38:49 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:38:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 08/11/2007 11:02:38 AM Central Daylight Time, jimhearn1 at comcast.net writes: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > Jim... Most hardware stores sell abrasive strips used to make stair treads non-slip. You can cut them to size and apply them easily (they come with pressure sensitive adhesive). At least that's what we did. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From kaskas at cox.net Sat Aug 11 10:42:24 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 09:42:24 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> <000a01c7dc35$77f152f0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Message-ID: <008101c7dc36$9a921c80$4d13c548@RWKastner> They make a non-skid tape that you can get that will serve this purpose perfectly. Almost any boat store will have this stuff. Never Be beaten by Equipment Kas Kastner ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary To: jim hearn ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Jim: Try a bit of the sailboat deck paint which produces a gritty, non-skid surface. Might be able to find it at a hardware store or if not, certainly at a marine supply. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim hearn" To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html kaskas at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 12:10:42 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:10:42 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) ~Steve From JWoesvra at aol.com Sat Aug 11 12:12:03 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:12:03 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 8/11/2007 12:34:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vintage.racer at comcast.net writes: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? > I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up > with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento I have dealt with this many times including hoards of Minis and my ex-GT6 and Spitfire. Take it out and turn it face down on a block of wood. Use you drill press or even a hand drill and drill a bunch of holes from the back side. You will get rough holes with burrs sticking up ward that give a nice aggressive grip to your shoe. I think a dull bit works better than a new one. You don't want a clean hole. 5/16" is about the right size. Jack Woehrle ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 11 13:02:44 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question In-Reply-To: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <20070811190310.8FFCB187640@autox.team.net> That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the flywheel toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification is to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts Northwest ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution and is a bit finicky to get to seal. Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in it, rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. - Tony Drews At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local >machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum >half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal >assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the >crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves >inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? > >Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) > >~Steve From colordog.1 at earthlink.net Sat Aug 11 13:22:12 2007 From: colordog.1 at earthlink.net (Steve Belfer) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:22:12 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> <200708111502.1ijWez6SH3Nl34b1@mx-clapper.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000501c7dc4c$ebdccd90$0301000a@Chowdown> Thanks again, Tony. Y'know, I thought it looked like it was designed to pump the oil back into the block. It worked well before so I'm not going to do the mod. I'd call this an "Anti-Leak pump, rather than a seal. " :) ~Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Drews" To: "Steve Belfer" ; "Friends of Triumph" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the flywheel > toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it > will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves > really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification is > to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts Northwest > ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined > off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. > Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I > believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal > so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution and > is a bit finicky to get to seal. > > Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the > end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of > the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the > crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). > > I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every > so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in it, > rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor > oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. > > - Tony Drews > > At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >>I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a >>local >>machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two >>aluminum >>half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main >>seal >>assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on >>the >>crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves >>inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >> >>Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) >> >>~Steve From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Aug 11 19:03:22 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:03:22 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you a lifetime. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From rjl at gt-classics.com Sat Aug 11 19:05:29 2007 From: rjl at gt-classics.com (R. John Lye) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:05:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amount of front and rear negative camber? In-Reply-To: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7dc33$d33531b0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: Hi Jim, At 12:22 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >I have a laser no contact type and I assume these will work as >well as the probe type. Actually, they don't work as well. The laser contact type only measures the surface temps which change very quickly as you come off track. What you really need to measure is the internal temps which don't change quite as quickly (although they do still cool much faster than you'd think). That's why the probes work better. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Aug 12 08:02:04 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:02:04 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <000d01c7dce9$5d2d5090$6402a8c0@HOME> hmmmm thought about that too but dropped that idea speedly after a short test. The troublesome thing is "going on throttle". With much grip on the pedal surface the pedal don't slip smoothly along the shoe anymore which makes the ride very rough and dangerous when accelerating out of a corner. Cheers Chris At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you a lifetime. R. John Lye rjl6n at cstone.net _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 58tr3a at videotron.ca Sun Aug 12 10:27:27 2007 From: 58tr3a at videotron.ca (Don Elliott) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 12:27:27 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000d01c7dce9$5d2d5090$6402a8c0@HOME> Message-ID: <001d01c7dcfd$adf464a0$8902c818@Elliott> The story I always heard was that most race drivers back in the 50s used to wear moccasins made out of fine kid glove leather so they could really get a feel of that pedal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marx Christian tr4-racing" To: Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > hmmmm thought about that too but dropped that idea speedly after a short > test. > The troublesome thing is "going on throttle". With much grip on the pedal > surface the pedal don't slip smoothly along the shoe anymore which makes > the > ride very rough and dangerous when accelerating out of a corner. > > Cheers > Chris > > > At 12:01 PM 8/11/2007, jim hearn wrote: > >Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph > accelerators? > I > >was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber > or > >maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come > up > with > >a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > > Not a Triumph accelerator, but my Formula Ford has a small piece > of the stuff they put on skateboard decks. Works well to give you > some grip. One piece costs about $25, as I recall, but will last you > a lifetime. > > > > R. John Lye > > > rjl6n at cstone.net > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > tony at tonydrews.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 58tr3a at videotron.ca > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jhassall at blacksburg.net Sun Aug 12 12:30:43 2007 From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:30:43 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go From niteseeker at aol.com Sun Aug 12 13:32:00 2007 From: niteseeker at aol.com (dick ross) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 14:32:00 -0500 Subject: [Fot] more on speed record for triumph Message-ID: In May 1953 Ken Richardson, development engineer and test pilot ofTriumph, drove a TR2, fitted with a standard engine, and reached anaverage speed of 124,889 miles or 200,94 km per hour on the Jabbekemotorway. At that time an amazing speed for a volume production carwith a 2000 cc capacity. Ken Richardson, test pilot of BRM, was hiredin 1952 by Sir John Black - who was in charge of the Standard Triumphcompany in the post war period - to develop the "Triumph Sports 20 TS"prototype make a true sports car; so the TR2 was born. The TR2 was notonly as fast as his rival, the Austin Healey, but also cheaper to buyand more economical in use : an average 32 mpg petrol consumption or6,9 liter per 100 km with a 2 liter engine is even today a model ofeconomy. They had a anniversary run again in 2007 and if you can read German or Dutch may be able to find more on triumph speed records. <200708111502.1ijWez6SH3Nl34b1@mx-clapper.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <000501c7dc4c$ebdccd90$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <002b01c7dd26$c7454590$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> there os a drain tube in the main bearing cap to drain the oil back into the oilpan Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Belfer" To: "Friends of Triumph" ; "Tony Drews" Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > Thanks again, Tony. Y'know, I thought it looked like it was designed to > pump the oil back into the block. It worked well before so I'm not going > to > do the mod. > I'd call this an "Anti-Leak pump, rather than a seal. " :) > > ~Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Drews" > To: "Steve Belfer" ; "Friends of Triumph" > > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > > >> That's a "scroll seal". The grooves in the crank spiral from the >> flywheel >> toward the inside of the block. The theory, as I understand it, is it >> will sling the oil back into the block. If you get the aluminum halves >> really close to the crank, it kinda works too. The common modification >> is >> to get the rubber seal kit from BFE or Moss (maybe British Parts >> Northwest >> ?). In order to use that kit, you need to have the scroll seal machined >> off of the crank so it's a nice flat surface of the correct diameter. >> Then the aluminum halves are machined to fit a relatively normal seal. I >> believe the machined housings come with the kit. But, it's a split seal >> so you can get it around the crank. It's still not a perfect solution >> and >> is a bit finicky to get to seal. >> >> Cambridge sells a crankshaft and flywheel where the whole flange at the >> end of the crank is not there. The seal diameter continues to the end of >> the crank. That allows you to slip a normal seal over the end of the >> crank and make it really stop leaking (at least from the rear main). >> >> I just test the oil puddle under the drain hole in the bellhousing every >> so often to see if it's motor oil or tranny fluid. (stick a finger in >> it, >> rub it together, smell it for the gear lube sulfur smell) If it's motor >> oil, and the puddle isn't too big, I figure all is OK. >> >> - Tony Drews >> >> At 01:10 PM 8/11/2007, Steve Belfer wrote: >>>I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a >>>local >>>machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two >>>aluminum >>>half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main >>>seal >>>assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on >>>the >>>crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the >>>grooves >>>inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>>pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >>> >>>Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) >>> >>>~Steve > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > stutzmans at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From cartravel at pobox.com Sun Aug 12 15:49:48 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:49:48 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? In-Reply-To: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> References: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: <46BF807C.8000202@pobox.com> Ok, I'll admit it. I've screwed up and done this more than once. Rocker assembly not yet installed, but ... Ok, let's check to make sure the starter works - oops. Or, turn the engine over on the engine stand - oops. I've never had any trouble getting them back in though. Use a screw driver and/or magnetic tool to move it around until you can get a the magnetic pickup tool on the inside of the lifter. Then line it up over the lifter bore and use a screw driver to push it down into the bore. If it came out easily, it should go back easily. J.C. Hassall wrote: >I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker >assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its >bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the >bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to >slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of >patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for >the afternoon. > >Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy >Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. > >TIA > >jim From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 12 17:42:25 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:42:25 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Aug 12 17:50:42 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:50:42 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070812235104.657D61879C1@autox.team.net> Uncle jack and Tony (Drews) will be there. I believe that Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer will be there too. Stop by and say hey! - Tony At 06:42 PM 8/12/2007, Doug Mitchell wrote: >Amici, > >Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream >Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to >Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. > >Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the >forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. > >At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something >to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. > >Cheers, > >Doug > >-- >Doug Mitchell >dmitchel at sbcglobal.net >1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 >1973 Triumph Stag From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:27:51 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? References: <46BF51D3.3040505@blacksburg.net> Message-ID: You should be able to fiddle it back in. sometimes they get cocked a little. You might try a magnet applied to the edge while you hold the tappet down with the pushrod. I've been able to get them back in when I do exactly what you did--let the suction pull the tappet out. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of J.C. Hassall Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 11:30 AM To: FoT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:31:10 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan References: Message-ID: I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog. www.AllAluminumTour.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 12 18:41:36 2007 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: <380-2200781130413612@M2W014.mail2web.com> ...not necessarily in order of importance. Original Message: ----------------- From: Bill Babcock BillB at bnj.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700 To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at Autox.Team.Net Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog. www.AllAluminumTour.com -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Amici, Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800. Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it. At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday. Cheers, Doug -- Doug Mitchell dmitchel at sbcglobal.net 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500 1973 Triumph Stag billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot n197tr4 at cs.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From BillB at bnj.com Sun Aug 12 18:43:15 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:43:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: Actually you are looking at the source of many of those leaky Triumph jokes. Scroll seals, also called Labyrinth seals, work adequately on huge steam engines where there are scavenging pumps and oil/water separators between the seal segments but not so well on little four bangers with a wimpy drain pipe back to the crankcase (which has big variations in crankcase pressure). As others have said, you can get the scroll machined off and replace the silly thing with a somewhat compromised neoprene seal. these work better if you increase the spring pressure by shortening the innner spring a few turns. It's a worthwhile modification, all the steel cranks eliminate the scroll seal and use either a split seal or an unflanged end piece. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Steve Belfer Sent: Sat 8/11/2007 11:10 AM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question I've just dissassembled my spare TR3 race motor and taken the parts to a local machine shop and here's a silly question. When looking at the two aluminum half-circle's that bolt up to the block with the eight bolts (the main seal assy.) What the heck keeps the oil IN? I see three or four grooves on the crank where it fits into the seal that appear to match up with the grooves inside the seal. If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? Please, no leaky triumph jokes ;) ~Steve billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JHOUATHOME at aol.com Sun Aug 12 18:43:12 2007 From: JHOUATHOME at aol.com (JHOUATHOME at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:43:12 EDT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: I've had this happen several times. I use an old push-rod for this. Just line up the offending lifter, insert the rod, wiggle it around a bit, and tap GENTLY to get it back in the bore. Never fails and using the lifter insures that the inside of the tappet will not be harmed! Good luck. John ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From greenman62 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 12 19:36:07 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:36:07 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan Message-ID: I'll be there all weekend...Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > From: n197tr4 at cs.com> To: billb at bnj.com; dmitchel at sbcglobal.net; fot at autox.team.net> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:41:36 -0400> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > ...not necessarily in order of importance.> > Original Message:> -----------------> From: Bill Babcock BillB at bnj.com> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:31:10 -0700> To: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net, fot at Autox.Team.Net> Subject: Re: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > > I'll be there with Peyote, Nero, Diane and Sam the Gay Dog.> > www.AllAluminumTour.com> > > -----Original Message-----> From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Doug Mitchell> Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 4:42 PM> To: Friends of Triumph> Subject: [Fot] Vintage Au Grattan> > Amici,> > Anyone going to be at Grattan on Friday? With the Dream> Cruise in Detroit on Saturday, I am going to go to> Grattan on Friday. I'll be at the F&C meeting at 0800.> > Not sure if I'll have the Spitfire or not, but with the> forcast as of today, I'll definitely think about it.> > At the WMR National at Grattan, Sam H. did something> to his car and packed up by lunchtime on Saturday.> > Cheers,> > Doug> > --> Doug Mitchell> dmitchel at sbcglobal.net> 1973 Triumph Spitfire 1500> 1973 Triumph Stag> billb at bnj.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> n197tr4 at cs.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> mail2web - Check your email from the web at> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > greenman62 at hotmail.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ablake2 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 12 22:55:15 2007 From: ablake2 at austin.rr.com (Greg & Alison Blake) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0500 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <000001c7dd66$23e39ab0$2b24b348@blake1> Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible for raising me to admire all things mechanical he is also the one to blame for my illness that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. After dismantling his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, he told me I could have it if I got it running. I am still not certain if he realized what he got us both into. Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is currently without. He seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing and a 250 for the street. I figure reading the great posts on this list might help push him over the edge and commit to one or both. Regardless I am sure it will revive many memories of working on TRs together. Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can have a father son racing team. Thanks, Greg From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Aug 12 22:51:01 2007 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:51:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <380-2200781134511240@M2W035.mail2web.com> 2nd! i vote for father/son tr4 racing team. joe a Original Message: ----------------- From: Greg & Alison Blake ablake2 at austin.rr.com Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:55:15 -0500 To: fot at autox.team.net, rblake36 at yahoo.com Subject: [Fot] nomination Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible for raising me to admire all things mechanical he is also the one to blame for my illness that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. After dismantling his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, he told me I could have it if I got it running. I am still not certain if he realized what he got us both into. Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is currently without. He seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing and a 250 for the street. I figure reading the great posts on this list might help push him over the edge and commit to one or both. Regardless I am sure it will revive many memories of working on TRs together. Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can have a father son racing team. Thanks, Greg n197tr4 at cs.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From chris at tr4-racing.de Mon Aug 13 03:07:43 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:07:43 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: <007d01c7dd89$69226bb0$6402a8c0@HOME> I use a long wrench extension to fit the tappet in. By accident my wrench extension has about the same inside diameter as the tappet. With the pusrod or a screwdriver I upright the tappet, then I slip in the wrench extension and with the extension the tappet is centered and slip in very easy. Try it! cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:29:31 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 17:27:51 -0700 Thread-Topic: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Thread-Index: AcfdDv2bCpkouJS7SNCdK+yK0t+FrQAMcsr8 From: "Bill Babcock" To: "J.C. Hassall" , "FoT" X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: You should be able to fiddle it back in. sometimes they get cocked a little. You might try a magnet applied to the edge while you hold the tappet down with the pushrod. I've been able to get them back in when I do exactly what you did--let the suction pull the tappet out. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of J.C. Hassall Sent: Sun 8/12/2007 11:30 AM To: FoT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? I wasn't paying close enough attention when I removed the rocker assembly this afternoon. One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. It seems to sit at the top of the bore, but just doesn't want to slide in. So far I've avoided the BFH technique, but am running out of patience and am *really* pissed at myself, so stepped away from it for the afternoon. Suggestions? I really don't want to pull the head, as that will destroy Uncle Jack's fantastic head gasket. TIA jim -- J.C. Hassall Blacksburg VA 64 TR4 in autox preparation 99% finished, 40% to go billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 07:10:34 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <000001c7dd66$23e39ab0$2b24b348@blake1> Message-ID: <319930.28743.qm@web83114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member of this exteemed group. Doug --- Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > for raising me to > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > blame for my illness > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. > After dismantling > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, > he told me I could > have it if I got it running. I am still not certain > if he realized what > he got us both into. > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > currently without. He > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > and a 250 for the > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > list might help push > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > Regardless I am sure it > will revive many memories of working on TRs > together. > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > have a father son > racing team. > > Thanks, > > Greg > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dmitchel at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 07:12:25 2007 From: dmitchel at sbcglobal.net (Doug Mitchell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] nomination In-Reply-To: <319930.28743.qm@web83114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79708.43299.qm@web83104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> That should have been esteemed group, but maybe... --- Doug Mitchell wrote: > I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their > own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member > of this exteemed group. > > Doug > > --- Greg & Alison Blake > wrote: > > > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > > for raising me to > > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > > blame for my illness > > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this > list. > > After dismantling > > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years > ago, > > he told me I could > > have it if I got it running. I am still not > certain > > if he realized what > > he got us both into. > > > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > > currently without. He > > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > > and a 250 for the > > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > > list might help push > > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > > Regardless I am sure it > > will revive many memories of working on TRs > > together. > > > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > > have a father son > > racing team. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 07:52:14 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Peyote speed In-Reply-To: References: <8cbd782d0708090817p6d96b19ax4813a8e88d61d8ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, Terry Stetler wrote: > Interesting. Top speed number is higher than the HP number. A very efficient > package. Yep. I'd actually like to see the drag coefficient numbers for Peyote. They have to be very low to get that sort of top speed. This speaks volumes to the design and implimentation of that car. It's so simple but so effective. > Terry Stetler regards, rml p.s. Yes, I'm a Peyote fan --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 07:56:07 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? I > was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or > maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up with > a good match here. Jim in Sacramento Why would you want to do this? I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my foot to stick to the accelerator. With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From henry at henryfrye.com Mon Aug 13 09:11:45 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator. The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any pressure. Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lang > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > Why would you want to do this? > > I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my > foot to stick to the accelerator. > > With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 13 09:18:38 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In-Reply-To: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> References: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405FA2B@server.Triumph.local> Message-ID: On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > > Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... Ya, either that or we're not very "fast" =:-) rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitfiresuz at 141.com Mon Aug 13 09:24:03 2007 From: spitfiresuz at 141.com (spitfiresuz at 141.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:24:03 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off due to the metal pedal surface. One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I put them on the pedals. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web From BillDentin at aol.com Mon Aug 13 09:35:44 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:35:44 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: In a message dated 08/13/2007 10:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > Amici... As previously stated, I use a narrow anti-skid strip on both my brake and accelerator pedals. I like that, but in fact it may be just what I'm used to. A side note...long term there's a price to pay. There's a small area on the sole of my right driver shoe wearing faster than the balance. Soon to be a hole. Got to be from the abrasive strips. But these are VERY old driver's shoes that should have been replaced long ago (I've a brand new pair on the shelf). BUT...you know how guys get attached to stuff. Old driver's shoes, a smelly helmet, undershorts, etc. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mark at bradakis.com Mon Aug 13 10:02:25 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:02:25 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Paging Mark Bradakis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46C08091.7060104@bradakis.com> I'm back from my trip to my father's funeral, I'll be working on catching up on email over the next few days. What address are you using for me? mjb. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Mon Aug 13 10:41:04 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:41:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: <26613930.10979011187023264437.JavaMail.root@vms073.mailsrvcs.net> I am with both of you guys. Never even thought of putting anything on the gas pedal. I grew up driving a 55 VW that had a roller for a gas pedal. Kind of like a skate wheel on a stick. Worked great, just keep your heel planted on the floor and push. Dean >From: Robert Lang >Date: 2007/08/13 Mon AM 10:18:38 CDT >To: Henry Frye >Cc: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators >On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Henry Frye wrote: > >> I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding >> the accelerator. >> >> The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal >> area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards >> the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small >> all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the >> right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving >> too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you >> didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any >> pressure. >> >> Sounds like we are in the minority, Bob... > >Ya, either that or we're not very "fast" > >=:-) > >rml >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent >Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | >Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net Mon Aug 13 11:03:39 2007 From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:03:39 +0000 Subject: [Fot] nomination Message-ID: <081320071703.5807.46C08EEB000440BA000016AF2160281060990E04D2069D@att.net> I second the second and vote for the TR-4 vintage racer. That is what I race and we need more of them. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from Doug Mitchell : -------------- > I'll second this nomination. Anyone who gets their > own sprogs addicted should definitely be a member > of this exteemed group. > > Doug > > --- Greg & Alison Blake wrote: > > > Not sure how to nominate someone so here goes. > > > > I nominate Bob Blake. He is not only responsible > > for raising me to > > admire all things mechanical he is also the one to > > blame for my illness > > that is shared by pretty much everyone on this list. > > After dismantling > > his TR3 that had become yard art, so many years ago, > > he told me I could > > have it if I got it running. I am still not certain > > if he realized what > > he got us both into. > > > > Bob has owned many TRs through the years but is > > currently without. He > > seems to be torn between a TR4 for vintage racing > > and a 250 for the > > street. I figure reading the great posts on this > > list might help push > > him over the edge and commit to one or both. > > Regardless I am sure it > > will revive many memories of working on TRs > > together. > > > > Selfishly I am hoping he goes with the 4 so we can > > have a father son > > racing team. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > > > dmitchel at sbcglobal.net > > Fot mailing list > > Fot at autox.team.net > > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > westerneagleracing at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From macdonaldp at rogers.com Mon Aug 13 14:54:46 2007 From: macdonaldp at rogers.com (Paul MacDonald) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:54:46 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Steering Wheel Message-ID: My son sent me this...some may enjoy Paul Man this looks like a lot of fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqTR07nSdFg&mode=related&search= This is a guy playing a pc game called GTR and he is using the Logitech G25 wheel. Wheel specs: Control 9000 Rotation: Go 2= times around lock to lock, or switch to 2000 to support standard games. Dual-Motor Force Feedback: Experience the silkiest, smoothest, most powerful force feedback yet. Feel every inch of the road for maximum control. Metal Gas and Brake Pedals: Get instant response with true-to-life pedals. 6 Speed Stick Shift: The first and only racing system with a true 6-speed stick shift for the ultimate in control. You can chose between sequential shifting or use F-1 style, wheel-mounted shifters. Comfort Hand-Stitched Leather: Keep your hands comfortable with this seamless 11-inch wheel. Too bad the wheel cost 255$ http://pccyber.com/scrItem.asp?product_id=14389&product_subtypes_id=454&prod uct_types_id=51 Just thought I would share. From ryoung at navcomtech.com Mon Aug 13 15:42:49 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:42:49 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question In-Reply-To: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> Message-ID: <02d401c7ddf2$e4c5f070$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the > pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches that seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole back into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong instructions as to how small to grind the crank. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. 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From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 16:52:20 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <000201c7dc30$ded6f9c0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <004001c7ddfc$9b582250$64092218@alex> I beaded mine up with better than match head size weld spots . I did not like the smooth feeling rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Lang" To: "jim hearn" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, jim hearn wrote: > >> Has anybody successfully addressed those bare metal Triumph accelerators? >> I >> was thinking of gluing on to the face of the accelerator some rubber or >> maybe some abrasive cloth. I thought I would see if anyone had come up >> with >> a good match here. Jim in Sacramento > > Why would you want to do this? > > I want my foot to stick to the brake pedal. I do not want my foot to stick > to the accelerator. > > With the bare metal, your shoe slides over the accelerator... > > regards, > rml > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent > Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | > Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Mon Aug 13 20:43:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:43:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Im going to have to join the weirdos that like slippery pedals. I don't put anything on mine. My cheater TR3 had tilton pedals that were serrated, and I couldn't heel and toe it to save my life. I ground them smooth and solved the problem -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of spitfiresuz at 141.com Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:24 AM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off due to the metal pedal surface. One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I put them on the pedals. Susan :) Original Message: ----------------- From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding the accelerator... -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Mon Aug 13 20:46:13 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:13 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: Message-ID: Dont remind me. I had to toss a pair of fireproof socks this week that found their way into the conventional laundry bag. Diane wouldn't permit them back into the car. My drivers shoes have broken strap loops on the top. I'm looking for a way to repair them. i don't like new driving apparel--I trust the old stuff. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of BillDentin at aol.com Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:35 AM To: henry at henryfrye.com; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators In a message dated 08/13/2007 10:12:04 AM Central Daylight Time, henry at henryfrye.com writes: > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator. > > The plate that acts as my scattershield encroaches a wee bit on my pedal > area. No problems, as I needed to bend the accel pedal arm a bit towards > the brake pedal for better heel and toe. But the pedal area is so small > all I do when transitioning from the brake to gas is move my foot to the > right and mash it. The scattershield plate limits my foot from moving > too far right. I like being able to slide my shoe on the pedal, if you > didn't hit it to your liking you can adjust without relieving any > pressure. > Amici... As previously stated, I use a narrow anti-skid strip on both my brake and accelerator pedals. I like that, but in fact it may be just what I'm used to. A side note...long term there's a price to pay. There's a small area on the sole of my right driver shoe wearing faster than the balance. Soon to be a hole. Got to be from the abrasive strips. But these are VERY old driver's shoes that should have been replaced long ago (I've a brand new pair on the shelf). BUT...you know how guys get attached to stuff. Old driver's shoes, a smelly helmet, undershorts, etc. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com Mon Aug 13 20:49:22 2007 From: gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Greg Solow) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:49:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question References: <002001c7dc42$eebfadc0$0301000a@Chowdown> <02d401c7ddf2$e4c5f070$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <000901c7de1d$b9a86ff0$6401a8c0@TER2> The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance between the crankshaft scroll and the alluminum housing. The factory setup gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been "remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" on the diameter. That works great on a tight engine. There is vitually no leakage unless the engine is reved over 6,000 rpm. At reves over 6,000 the crank begins to flex and it allows a little oil out. For street engines and mild race engines this "blueprinted" seal is the ticket as far as I am concerned. For a high RPM race engine we weld up the threaded area and have it remachined to the original major diameter of the threads and then remachine the original seal holder to use a Chrysler 383 cu in engine 2 piece rubber lip seal. This setup does not leak a drop at engine speed over 7200 rpm. With either of this seal arrangement, concentricity is very iimportant. We will not build and engine using the "Split one piece seal" as sold by Moss. I have tried them 4 times, each time it has taken 5 or 6 hours or more of setup to get the alloy seal holders to fit the block correctly and the seals have still leaked at least a little, sometimes a lot!. Greg Solow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: "'Friends of Triumph'" Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question >> If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >> pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? > > A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches > that > seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole > back > into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, > and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. > > Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong > instructions as to how small to grind the crank. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it > may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of > its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and > not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. > If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for > delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that > you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Mon Aug 13 21:34:42 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:34:42 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators References: <380-22007811315243494@M2W009.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <004d01c7de24$1fe44130$64092218@alex> as far as heal and toe " fagettaboutit "I have rigged a bike brake handle to the shift lever the cable runs to the throutle any time i have to shift the gas is in my hand ,It makes it easy and consistant to blend gears rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: ; Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > Im going to have to join the weirdos that like slippery pedals. I don't > put > anything on mine. My cheater TR3 had tilton pedals that were serrated, and > I > couldn't heel and toe it to save my life. I ground them smooth and solved > the > problem > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of > spitfiresuz at 141.com > Sent: Mon 8/13/2007 8:24 AM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > I agree as well. My driver's shoes have smoother, soft soles that give me > all the grip I need. My foot slides off the pedal smoothly when I need it > to, which is essential for my heel-and-toe driving, but never slips off > due > to the metal pedal surface. > > One problem is when my foot is wet, from wet grass before I get in the car > or from the car being wet from rain before I get in. That does make for a > more slippery pedal, so I know to dry my soles with paper towels before I > put them on the pedals. > > Susan :) > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Henry Frye henry at henryfrye.com > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:11:45 -0400 > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators > > > I am in complete agreement with Bob. I have never had problems finding > the accelerator... > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > 19to1tr6 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From WEmery7451 at aol.com Mon Aug 13 22:08:19 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:08:19 EDT Subject: [Fot] Reinserting TR4 tappets w/head on? Message-ID: In a message dated 8/12/07 5:29:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, BillB at bnj.com writes: << One of the pushrods pulled a tappet out of its bore. Oh sh*t!! I've tried all I can think of to slip it back into the bore. >> I did the exact same thing several years ago. After carefully installing a new steel head gasket and the head, I removed one of the pushrods, and out came the lifter. After a few hours of trying to juggle the lifter back into the hole, off came the head again. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Aug 14 05:52:33 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:52:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: <12751845.286471187092353874.JavaMail.root@vms226.mailsrvcs.net> I will have to say that I have used Greg's remade seals in at least three street engines and in my TR3A race motor. They work!. Save your old seals and send them to Greg. Dean T. >From: Greg Solow >Date: 2007/08/13 Mon PM 09:49:22 CDT >To: Randall Young , 'Friends of Triumph' >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question >The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance >between the crankshaft scroll and the alluminum housing. The factory setup >gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been >"remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" >on the diameter. That works great on a tight engine. There is vitually no >leakage unless the engine is reved over 6,000 rpm. At reves over 6,000 the >crank begins to flex and it allows a little oil out. For street engines and >mild race engines this "blueprinted" seal is the ticket as far as I am >concerned. > For a high RPM race engine we weld up the threaded area and have it >remachined to the original major diameter of the threads and then remachine >the original seal holder to use a Chrysler 383 cu in engine 2 piece rubber >lip seal. This setup does not leak a drop at engine speed over 7200 rpm. > With either of this seal arrangement, concentricity is very iimportant. > We will not build and engine using the "Split one piece seal" as sold by >Moss. I have tried them 4 times, each time it has taken 5 or 6 hours or more >of setup to get the alloy seal holders to fit the block correctly and the >seals have still leaked at least a little, sometimes a lot!. > >Greg Solow >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Randall Young" >To: "'Friends of Triumph'" >Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:42 PM >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 main seal question > > >>> If the crank spins freely, what exactly keeps the >>> pressurized oil from blowing past this circular seal? >> >> A minor point, the oil should not be pressurized by the time it reaches >> that >> seal. There is a cavity between the seal & bearing, with a drain hole >> back >> into the sump. Some folks have theorized that the hole isn't big enough, >> and drilled additional holes, but I haven't seen the need myself. >> >> Also note that some of the rubber seal kits on the market have the wrong >> instructions as to how small to grind the crank. >> >> Randall >> (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it >> may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of >> its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or >> entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and >> not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. >> If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for >> delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that >> you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, >> dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is >> strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, >> please immediately notify the sender by return mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Tue Aug 14 08:48:34 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:48:34 -0500 Subject: [Fot] aluminum hubs Message-ID: <200708141448.l7EEmiAL229103@ns3.geneseo.net> Southwick aluminum front hubs are available for shipping. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6 Price $565 plus shipping, per pair. Includes all bearings, studs, seals, dust cap. For those who have sent in a deposit, you will be contacted by Southwick, if it hasn't happened already. If you are not on the list but have decided to purchase these, please contact Southwick Machine and Design at 309-949-2868 Thanks for putting up with messages about this on the lists -- NFI -- just trying to help the sport. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From WEmery7451 at aol.com Tue Aug 14 09:08:29 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:08:29 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 main seal question Message-ID: In a message dated 8/13/07 7:49:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com writes: << The problem with the original seals is that there is excessive clearance between the crankshaft scroll and the aluminum housing. The factory setup gives .012" clearance on the diameter. That is just to much. We have been "remanufacturing " the seal housing and bringing the clearance down to .006" on the diameter. >> The best luck I have had to minimize leakage (not stop it) was to not take the original seal off of the block. Of course if you are going to have the block boiled or line bored, you have to. The original seals seem to be of a better quality than the after market seals you buy today, and that the British were good at centralizing them. I have installed several of these seals using a mandrel a machinist made for me, which Hardy says is slightly off size. If I get into trouble again, I will take a bunch of micrometer readings on the mandrel, and probably try one of Greg's seals. Most people racing TR's leave off the bottom transmission dust covers. This will hopefully allow any leakage to escape and not oil the clutch.


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Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Aug 14 10:19:10 2007 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] aluminum hubs In-Reply-To: <200708141448.l7EEmiAL229103@ns3.geneseo.net> Message-ID: <549178.62355.qm@web81001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jack, Are the heavy duty axle kits that go with the hubs still available? Thumbs Up. Steve "Jack W. Drews" wrote: Southwick aluminum front hubs are available for shipping. These fit TR2-3-4-5-6 Price $565 plus shipping, per pair. Includes all bearings, studs, seals, dust cap. For those who have sent in a deposit, you will be contacted by Southwick, if it hasn't happened already. If you are not on the list but have decided to purchase these, please contact Southwick Machine and Design at 309-949-2868 Thanks for putting up with messages about this on the lists -- NFI -- just trying to help the sport. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net sbracing at sbcglobal.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Guyots3 at wmconnect.com Tue Aug 14 12:35:22 2007 From: Guyots3 at wmconnect.com (Guyots3 at wmconnect.com) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:35:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] Those bare metal Triumph accelerators Message-ID: I knew a Swedish girl who would drive her White Spitfire Mk.2 barefoot, she said it made driving a more sensual experience! L From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 14 13:09:55 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:09:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers Message-ID: All, I need 24 high-shear strength studs, 5/16"-24 2" long. My favorite resources McMaster, Aircraft Spruce and Pegasus have failed me. Any ideas team? Also, I would like some recommendations for an enclosed car carrier company, to transport Rags to its new digs in New Mexico. I cannot tow Rags; I'll already be driving a 26' truck towing a car on a trailer, with Pam driving the wagon with 4 dogs and towing the bikes on a trailer. TIA, Shane _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From ryoung at navcomtech.com Tue Aug 14 15:05:33 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:05:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <042201c7deb6$da8e4700$6a5636cc@navcom.com> > I need 24 high-shear strength studs, 5/16"-24 2" long. MMC has threaded rod in 4140 (125,000 psi tensile). You could cut your own studs out of that. http://www.mcmaster.com/nav/enter.asp?pagenum=3087 99086A190 Or if that's not strong enough, call up ARP and see if they have something. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From britbits at tiu.net Tue Aug 14 22:13:26 2007 From: britbits at tiu.net (Jim) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:13:26 -0600 Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? Message-ID: <005201c7def2$a147fd10$0201a8c0@DFWJBXC1> I'm trying to help a friend figure out what to order from ARP for main bearing cap retaining hardware. He'd prefer to go with studs rather than bolts. Anyone figured this one out already? TIA Jim Dallas/DENVER From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 15 06:58:41 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 08:58:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics Message-ID: Amici Are there any Triumphs amongst us that are participating in this year's historics? I will be there with at least two of my children, maybe three. Needless to say in any event it will be a trip up the coast line in an SUV rather than a sportscar. I thought about taking the old Mercedes 6.9, but the memories of how they trashed the inside of the rental minivan on the last trip are still too vivid in my mind. Cary ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 15 07:42:47 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 06:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? References: <005201c7def2$a147fd10$0201a8c0@DFWJBXC1> Message-ID: I've found the key with ARP is to call up and hope you get the right guy. I don't know his name, but there's a guy there that knows every part they make. You tell him what you need and he rattles off the part numbers. I've found him twice now, so it's not impossible. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Jim Sent: Tue 8/14/2007 9:13 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] ARP main bearing cap hardware for a TR6? I'm trying to help a friend figure out what to order from ARP for main bearing cap retaining hardware. He'd prefer to go with studs rather than bolts. Anyone figured this one out already? TIA Jim Dallas/DENVER billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From budscars at msn.com Wed Aug 15 08:52:23 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 07:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Fot] IRL TESTING Message-ID: <009701c7df4b$e5520f10$208cb304@Bud> Hi Gang...For those close to INFINEON...IRL testing this Thursday 8/16 1030-430 Racer Bud Spitfire #21 From DSPGTi at aol.com Wed Aug 15 09:51:58 2007 From: DSPGTi at aol.com (DSPGTi at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 11:51:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] IRL TESTING Message-ID: If you get into the Hot Pits, go to the Penske spot of Helio Castroneves. Look for the kid at the computers or ask "Where's Yeager?" Introduce yourself to my son Aaron and tell him you are a Triumph friend of mine. I have fun sending people to him in all parts of the country. Enjoy yourself, Dave Yeager ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:59:36 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:59:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] High strength studs and enclosed car carriers Message-ID: Randall, Thanks for writing. I am using these studs in the hubs, so I would be concerned that the 120,000 psi studs from McMaster are not up to the job. ARP has them threaded coarse at one end, fine at the other, 170,000 psi - should not be a problem. But they are $3.08 each! Ouch. Cheers, Shane _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 16:46:57 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 18:46:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] lime rock Message-ID: <005001c7df8e$30cb04f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> does anybody, who will be at Lime Rock, have extra crew passes for 2 completely unworthy WPTA guys? Bruce From LOddTR at aol.com Wed Aug 15 17:35:32 2007 From: LOddTR at aol.com (LOddTR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:35:32 EDT Subject: [Fot] FOT Cookout at Roebling Road VDCA Races - September 7, 8, 9 Message-ID: The upcoming races at Roebling Road will surely provide the best racing value of the season. The two day race weekend, by VDCA and SCCA Vintage, will be kicked off with a Friday test day. Only one thing could make the weekend better than that - A FATBASTARD COOKOUT! Based on the demands of our fellow Triumph racers, we will hold our third burgers and dogs dinner at the Triumph Ghetto The date and time are a bit foggy right now but will become clearer when the hangover goes away. Keep an eye on that inbox for further updates. In the mean time, get your entry in by going to the VDCA website and following the instructions for online registration. _http://www.vintagedrive.com/_ (http://www.vintagedrive.com/) Oh yeah, buy a lot of fuel. You're gonna need it! Leo Oddi, Dean Tetterton & Don Marshall ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From 19to1tr6 at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 20:21:32 2007 From: 19to1tr6 at comcast.net (rob) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:21:32 -0400 Subject: [Fot] barnfinds Message-ID: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> This may be old hat to some listers But i had to pass this on anyway ..............check out WWW.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm This barn was purchased with out looking inside or so the story goes rob From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 15 22:34:48 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:34:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] barnfinds In-Reply-To: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> References: <000b01c7dfac$2979b700$64092218@alex> Message-ID: <46C3D3E7.7050605@verizon.net> That one has been around awhile. It is partly true. See here. http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/barnfind.asp Cheers, Kurt O. rob wrote: >This may be old hat to some listers But i had to pass this on anyway >..............check out WWW.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm This barn was >purchased with out looking inside or so the story goes rob >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 16 00:18:47 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:18:47 -0400 Subject: [Fot] St. Louis SCCA National Races this past weekend Message-ID: I went downt to St. Louis for my second event this year. It's much closer to my house (only 2.5 hours) and the track is fun, but not many places to pass and it uses part of the oval. Practice was good. I went out on the old tires to shake down the car and make sure nothing was wrong. 14 laps...turned a 1:17.8 without much trying. The rest of saturday was spent at the hotel in the air-con as it was 100 degrees out. Qualifying was on Sunday morning. I put the good tires on and headed out. I did about 6 laps and got down to a 1.15.9, good enough for 2nd of the 7 HP cars that showed up. Pole for HP was a 1.15.3. At race time it was 105 out. The HP pole sitter ended up starting from the back with a different car in a different class then switched to the HP car. So...it was me on point. I got the worst start I've ever had, and lost first. I followed for a few laps and then tried to pass in a spot that isn't for passing, but I needed to get by there to pull out a lead before the straight. I couldn't make it stick, so I sat behind and waited for a while. Water temp was a consistent 230 deg F and oil temp ran about 270 def F. It didn't make noise and kept running and didn't climb so I just ran with it. After about 15 laps the faster classes started lapping us. The clases may be faster in lap time, but through the twisty section they aren't as fast. One got by me going into the infield section and that allowed the HP leader to put a huge gap on me. So I decided I'd ride it out to the end. With 2 laps (i didn't know this though) to go I started onto the front straight and the car dropped to 3 cylinders. I decided just to run it until it blew...it's either something simple that won't hurt it, or something bad and it's already to late. as I got onto the front straight the HP leader had a big time engine blow-up. So I continued on figure the race had to be about over so I continued on 3 cylinders. Under all the smoke and stuff i missed the starters 1 to go signal. When i came back around I took the checkered flag and my first SCCA National win! It was a good weekend...motor problem was only a broken intake pushrod...it's fixed and I'm in Pennsylvania going to Pocono this weekend! Aaron Johnson #87 H-Prod Spitfire MkIV Southern Illinois Region SCCA http://hpspitfire.servebeer.com From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 16 00:20:19 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:20:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19 Message-ID: For those of you with nothing to do this weekend... SCCA National Races at Pocono International Raceway. I've travelled all the way from Illinois to run. Looks like one other Spitfire on the entry list...It should be a fun weekend. Information is at www.triregionracing.org Aaron Johnson #87 HP Spitfire 1500 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 16 06:50:43 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19 Message-ID: Cool Runnings, Aaron... I'll be a GrattanGreg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:20:19 -0400> From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com> To: fot at autox.team.net> Subject: [Fot] SCCA Double National Pocono Aug 17-19> > For those of you with nothing to do this weekend...> > SCCA National Races at Pocono International Raceway. I've travelled all the way from Illinois to run.> > Looks like one other Spitfire on the entry list...It should be a fun weekend. Information is at www.triregionracing.org> > Aaron Johnson> #87 HP Spitfire 1500> _______________________________________________> http://www.team.net/donate.html> > greenman62 at hotmail.com> Fot mailing list> Fot at autox.team.net> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 16 08:40:26 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:40:26 EDT Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September Message-ID: FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 08:47:36 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:47:36 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Hi Joe, I plan making this one, missed it last year. Kev Lynch, GT6 #6 ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 09:03:43 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:03:43 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the wise however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, we've 60 cars already confirmed. Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September FoT, A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will be my first view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I could use two and would try to be useful. We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until Sunday. Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some guys are coming in from OK & TX? Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lunkercars at earthlink.net Thu Aug 16 10:01:14 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:01:14 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hastings is a long haul from Albuquerque, but still on my "Maybe" list. Does anyone know the specific run groups yet? Curious if my DP TR4 would go into a small bore or big/small bore group. RMVR web-page on run groups lists everything but DP. Greg Hilyer TR4 #314 On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the > wise > however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, > we've 60 > cars already confirmed. > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com > To: fot at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September > > > FoT, > > A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will > be my first > view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I > could use two > and would try to be useful. > > We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until > Sunday. > Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some > guys are > coming in > from OK & TX? > > Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) > > Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". > > Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > klynch_6 at msn.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ofbracing at nefcom.net Thu Aug 16 10:57:18 2007 From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (Don Marshall) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:57:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Roebling Road Sept 7,8,9 Message-ID: <010401c7e026$820911c0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop> If you're anywhere near the South next month and you like low key events with LOTS of track time you should make a point of coming to the VDCA/SCCA vintage event at Roebling Rd. The actual race weekend is two days (Saturday/Sunday) so the rate is very low in spite of all the track time. In addition, the track is having a test/tune day on Friday that typically generates so much track time that some of us haven't been able to handle it all. Last time Leo ran all 7 sessions on Friday and logged over 3 hours just that day. I could only manage 5 sessions before I decided I'd had enough fun for one day. We'll be doing a FatBastard cookout and wine tasting on Friday evening at the new improved Triumph ghetto near turn 3 so, if you're in the area, please come by. Don From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 10:59:20 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:59:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September References: Message-ID: Greg, you'd be put with 'fast' small bore. That group usually has 30+ cars in it. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg "Lunker" Hilyer To: KEVIN LYNCH Cc: fot at autox.team.net ; N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September Hastings is a long haul from Albuquerque, but still on my "Maybe" list. Does anyone know the specific run groups yet? Curious if my DP TR4 would go into a small bore or big/small bore group. RMVR web-page on run groups lists everything but DP. Greg Hilyer TR4 #314 On Aug 16, 2007, at 9:03 AM, KEVIN LYNCH wrote: > Joe, not sure pit passes are applicable @ Hastings... A word to the > wise > however, RV reservations required. As of last nite's board meeting, > we've 60 > cars already confirmed. > > Kevin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: N197TR4 at cs.com> > To: fot at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:40 AM > Subject: [Fot] Hastings, NE - RMVR Event 7-9 September > > > FoT, > > A few FoT plan to race or attend this Nebraska Event. This will > be my first > view of this track. Any crew passes available, if necessary? I > could use two > and would try to be useful. > > We will arrive sometime Thursday Afternoon (late) and stay until > Sunday. > Looking forward to seeing/meeting some RMVR guys. Perhaps some > guys are > coming in > from OK & TX? > > Rick Junkermeier may make an appearance from Laramie, WY...(WYOTECH) > > Larry Young may be there, "with or without a car". > > Mark Eden, James Gray, etc? > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html> > > klynch_6 at msn.com> > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > mailman/li > stinfo/fot> > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > lunkercars at earthlink.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Catpusher at aol.com Thu Aug 16 12:54:42 2007 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 14:54:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 speed & Laguna Message-ID: In the early days of running the ARRC at Road Atlanta, my race tires, and thus the TR3, were narrow. The Georgia State Patrol took speed readings down in the dip, and mine was posted at 142 MPH. I had a G3 cam and other items from the Kas Prep Book, so probably about 165 BMP. Ellie and I are about to depart for Laguna. We will be with GP1A car # 3 with the Dennison Group Hardy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 16 13:33:41 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:33:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club Message-ID: FoT, Here is a website for the new track in Iowa http://www.lamonzaclub.com/ I dont know how these important things get under my radar. But it did. Breaking ground this fall. I just found out about it. On I-35 between Minneapolis and Des Moines. It is another country club track and it is 2.9 miles for the full track. I am amazed. But encouraged. I'd like to think it will be successful. The name "LA MONZA" throws me a bit. At least they didnt try to draw on the "FIELD OF DREAMS" theme. Joe Alexander From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:14:55 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:14:55 -0600 Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club References: Message-ID: Joe, that La Monza link seems deceased. Kevin Lynch www.highplainsraceway.com ----- Original Message ----- From: N197TR4 at cs.com To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: [Fot] New Track In Iowa 2.9 Mile Country Club FoT, Here is a website for the new track in Iowa http://www.lamonzaclub.com/> I dont know how these important things get under my radar. But it did. Breaking ground this fall. I just found out about it. On I-35 between Minneapolis and Des Moines. It is another country club track and it is 2.9 miles for the full track. I am amazed. But encouraged. I'd like to think it will be successful. The name "LA MONZA" throws me a bit. At least they didnt try to draw on the "FIELD OF DREAMS" theme. Joe Alexander _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:24:20 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:24:20 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza Message-ID: http://www.lamonzaclub.com/facility.asp Kevin From klynch_6 at msn.com Thu Aug 16 16:28:31 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:28:31 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza References: Message-ID: oops ! then click on the 'Facility' button in their toolbar. kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: KEVIN LYNCH To: FOT ; Joe Alexander Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: [Fot] Try this for La Monza http://www.lamonzaclub.com/facility.asp sp> Kevin _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Robertten1 at aol.com Thu Aug 16 20:07:02 2007 From: Robertten1 at aol.com (Robertten1 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:07:02 EDT Subject: [Fot] red floor mats for SPITFIRE on ebay Message-ID: WOW $106 for those red rubber floor mats for a Spitfire! Someone really wanted them bad. Makes me want to go dig through my spares to find the White Set I have for Spitfires, LoL. No, I'll hold on to them a while longer. I guess its true what they say about Ebay, people are paying stupid money for things they want. Sorry for the babble, Bob T. (Autocrossing next weekend will get my mind off those stupid mats) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From koblinger at verizon.net Fri Aug 17 09:03:05 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:03:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] O/T Building Triumph Bikes Message-ID: <22399445.9178621187362985903.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> A short vid on the manufacture of current Triumph bikes. Good to see they have stayed with some of the traditional methods! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKEuzxC4eGc Cheers, Kurt O. From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 17 13:49:12 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 11:49:12 -0800 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 From chasgee at aol.com Fri Aug 17 12:49:13 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <8C9AF1670BE6826-964-4F0E@webmail-mf13.sysops.aol.com> Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Gt6steve at aol.com Fri Aug 17 13:20:27 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 15:20:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From ryoung at navcomtech.com Fri Aug 17 13:27:48 2007 From: ryoung at navcomtech.com (Randall Young) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:27:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> Message-ID: <01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Just so I am clear on the topic; this is the "Salisbury" type LSD, that will still transmit power even if one wheel is in the air, right ? Put me down for at least one, maybe two. I've only been on the autoX course a couple of times, but both times having a rear wheel in the air was by far the biggest problem I had, even with sway bars. I'll pick them up at Ken's. Randall (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On > Behalf Of Charly Mitchel > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs > > I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated > cost. The > unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from > customs and the > shipping to each individual buyer. > > Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the > local shipping > costs. > This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. > Please let me know if > you're interested. > Charly Mitchel > TR6 #44 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > ryoung at navcomtech.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files > transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to > NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence > and not disclosed to third parties without the written > consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient > or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail > to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received > this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this > electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the > sender by return mail. > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by return mail. From toodamnfunky at comcast.net Fri Aug 17 20:06:30 2007 From: toodamnfunky at comcast.net (James Gray) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:06:30 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR4 head gasket fo ra milled head Message-ID: <000901c7e13c$64a6f860$0200a8c0@acme5oy6ykamox> I have begun to assemble my new motor expecting to have to trim the head gasket for the .075 I took off the head. Oddly enough the shape of the compression ring on the new gasket matches the combustion chamber perfectly. The compression rings are almost oval. I compared it to the original gasket and the original is perfectly round to match the liners. One thing though, I will require perfect alighnment of the gasket on the liners as the compression rings are right on the interior edge of the bore. I have + .030 pistons in it. any idea's on what will happen if I get a bit of the gasket hanging over ? Jim Gray ( RMVR newbie ) From WEmery7451 at aol.com Sat Aug 18 08:00:08 2007 From: WEmery7451 at aol.com (WEmery7451 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 10:00:08 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR4 head gasket fo ra milled head Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/07 7:07:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, toodamnfunky at comcast.net writes: << any idea's on what will happen if I get a bit of the gasket hanging over ? > > Kass's book: Possible detonation or pre-ignition, though I have done it before when in a hurry. I have occasionally installed a steel head gasket with no ground off areas to match the combustion chamber. Never noticed any difference, but not a good idea. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 21:06:54 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:06:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c7e20d$ff83abe0$c52a144c@computer> Hi Chuck, I could definitely go for one. Let me know what you need. Thanks, Jim Hearn Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: Chasgee at aol.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Sat Aug 18 21:08:18 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:08:18 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c7e20e$318137c0$c52a144c@computer> Sorry Chuck. It's for a '74 TR6. Jim Hearn -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+jimhearn1=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gt6steve at aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:20 PM To: Chasgee at aol.com Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I get really grumpy when Chuck welds up my TranX diffs! Just welded two up yesterday.? I'll do them for any FOT guys for $150 each.? A 90% savings! Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing -----Original Message----- From: Charly Mitchel To: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated cost. The unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from customs and the shipping to each individual buyer. Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the local shipping costs. This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. Please let me know if you're interested. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From ejmajor250 at comcast.net Sun Aug 19 07:31:36 2007 From: ejmajor250 at comcast.net (Ed Major) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:31:36 -0400 Subject: [Fot] lime rock References: <005001c7df8e$30cb04f0$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> Message-ID: <002401c7e265$43fd3370$6401a8c0@LoriMajor> Bruce, did you get any replies? Ed Ed Major '58 TR3, '68 TR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stutzman" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:46 PM Subject: [Fot] lime rock > does anybody, who will be at Lime Rock, have extra crew passes for 2 > completely unworthy WPTA guys? > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > ejmajor250 at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Sun Aug 19 11:03:14 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 10:03:14 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3> <01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> Message-ID: <00ea01c7e282$d557b7b0$0502a8c0@desktop> Randall, I believe this is correct. What I understand is the "Salisbury" type LSD is now manufactured under the Tran-x name(http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html). As far if is a direct copy of the "Salisbury" type LSD, I'm not positive. I can check into that for you if you like. I was told this will fit TR-4 as well as TR4A, TR250, and TR6, probably Stag, TVR, and Triumph saloons that use the same center housing as a TR6. Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall Young" To: Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs > Just so I am clear on the topic; this is the "Salisbury" type LSD, that > will > still transmit power even if one wheel is in the air, right ? > > Put me down for at least one, maybe two. I've only been on the autoX > course > a couple of times, but both times having a rear wheel in the air was by > far > the biggest problem I had, even with sway bars. I'll pick them up at > Ken's. > > Randall > (Tedious but unavoidable disclaimer follows) > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On >> Behalf Of Charly Mitchel >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs >> >> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated >> cost. The >> unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from >> customs and the >> shipping to each individual buyer. >> >> Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the >> local shipping >> costs. >> This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. >> Please let me know if >> you're interested. >> Charly Mitchel >> TR6 #44 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> ryoung at navcomtech.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files >> transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to >> NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are >> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >> whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence >> and not disclosed to third parties without the written >> consent of the sender. If you are not the intended recipient >> or the person responsible for delivering the electronic mail >> to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received >> this electronic mail in error and that any use, >> dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this >> electronic mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this electronic mail in error, please immediately notify the >> sender by return mail. >> > > > CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files transmitted with it > may contain information proprietary to NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of > its affiliates, and are intended solely for the use of the individual or > entity to whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence and > not disclosed to third parties without the written consent of the sender. > If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for > delivering the electronic mail to the intended recipient, be advised that > you have received this electronic mail in error and that any use, > dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this electronic mail is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail in error, > please immediately notify the sender by return mail. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From hottr6 at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 18:44:33 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (S. Ingate) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:44:33 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs Message-ID: Charley, I have a Salisbury, and I sure would like to pick up a spare set of clutch plates. Could you see if they are the same between Salisbury and Tran-X? I wonder what the price is for plates alone? Thx, Shane Ingate Charley Mitchell wrote: >Randall, I believe this is correct. What I understand is the "Salisbury" >type LSD is now manufactured under the Tran-x >name(http://www.tran-x.com/DiffsHTML/TR6.html). As far if is a direct copy >of the "Salisbury" type LSD, I'm not positive. I can check into that for >you if you like. I was told this will fit TR-4 as well as TR4A, TR250, and >TR6, probably Stag, TVR, and Triumph saloons that use the same center >housing as a TR6. >Charly Mitchel _________________________________________________________________ Learn.Laugh.Share. Reallivemoms is right place! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us From herald948 at aol.com Mon Aug 20 08:02:13 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] [triumph_herald] What 1147 engine parts or 3 rail gearbox parts are of value? In-Reply-To: <275623.9769.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <275623.9769.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8C9B149D7C830D1-CFC-9BDD@FWM-M43.sysops.aol.com> [forwarded for Lance; please reply to HIM at the address below, not to me, if you're interested in any 1147 engine bits] -----Original Message----- From: Lance Smith Sent: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:56 am Subject: [triumph_herald] What 1147 engine parts or 3 rail gearbox parts are of value? I am emptying my garage of spares that I won't need. I sold some carbs, one engine and distributor, but the rest has not generated any interest. A buddy told me that the 1147 crank is desireable by itself. If I disassembled the engine, someone might buy the crank. Are there other parts like this? The local scrap metal guys don't pay for iron, but will take it for free. I'm getting serious about emptying the garage in order to move on to other projects. lance, nor cal ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 20 09:08:52 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Speaking of Tran-X Message-ID: Hi, Is anyone on the list running a Tran-X SL72 dog box? Just curious. It's a "direct replacement for a Ford Type 9". I imagine with the dollar / pound that it be expensive, but I don't recall having ever seen a discussion on the topic here. rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at microworks.net Mon Aug 20 14:37:40 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:37:40 -0700 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? In-Reply-To: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> Message-ID: <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This is just wrong on so many levels. http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C000091&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 From wensley_Tr at comcast.net Mon Aug 20 15:40:57 2007 From: wensley_Tr at comcast.net (Craig) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <003201c7e372$cdb4e5f0$0200a8c0@Desktop> Can you say faster than a triumph Hmmmmmmm ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: "Jim Bauder" Cc: Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? > This is just wrong on so many levels. > > http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C000091&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > wensley_tr at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 20 15:52:41 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? References: <02FAEEE69D1E4B788F3578E1BA737AC6@JimofficePC> <20070820204005.JGVH13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: I knew a guy who built an MGA with a 289 Ford HiPo K code engine for a customer many years ago. According to my friend, about 7 hours after delivery the customer wrapped it around a phone pole. Some things should never be done. This is one of them. Terry Stetler ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Riddle To: Jim Bauder Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] FW: [TR] what's wrong with this picture? This is just wrong on so many levels. http://www.photoreflect.com/scripts/prsm.dll?eventorder?photo=040Y004C00009 1&start=0&album=0&adjust=-1 _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From roadandtrack at bigpond.com Mon Aug 20 18:23:44 2007 From: roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:23:44 +1000 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs Message-ID: <20070821002344.MLDR23432.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. Other TR's have same set Thanks Terry O'Beirne From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 21 06:38:47 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:38:47 +0000 Subject: [Fot] New member nominee Message-ID: I would like to nominate Bill Tobin for membership in the fot. I met Bill at Grattan this weekend where he was piloting his very pretty red TR6. I don't get to propse names often... Bill will make a fine addition to our ranks. Please send him a bill for dues and let him know that he's now FOTcretary;o) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Aug 21 06:42:37 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:42:37 -0500 Subject: [Fot] New member nominee In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070821124320.17B5D1879BE@autox.team.net> I'll second that! I met Bill at Grattan too. He's enthusiastic and looking for information as he enters the vintage racing scene. We discussed a book that VSCDA handed out in the drivers school, and next thing I know he's bought one for Jack and me. What a nice guy! - Tony Drews At 07:38 AM 8/21/2007, greenman62 at hotmail.com wrote: >I would like to nominate Bill Tobin for membership in the fot. > >I met Bill at Grattan this weekend where he was piloting his very pretty red >TR6. >I don't get to propse names often... Bill will make a fine addition to our >ranks. > >Please send him a bill for dues and let him know that he's now FOTcretary;o) > >Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking >its territory... From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 21 09:00:42 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:00:42 EDT Subject: [Fot] New member nominee Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 7:43:16 AM Central Daylight Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes: > I'll second that! I met Bill at Grattan too. He's enthusiastic and > looking for information as he enters the vintage racing scene. We > discussed a book that VSCDA handed out in the drivers school, and > next thing I know he's bought one for Jack and me. Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known professional driving instructor. The books was financed by the Vintage Motorsports Council, and the VSCDA bought a stash to use in our Driver's Schools. We also sell them in our Regalia Booths, and via the headquarters office. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From klynch_6 at msn.com Tue Aug 21 09:49:47 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:49:47 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor Message-ID: Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known professional driving instructor. The author's name is E.Paul Dickinson who holds FIA,ALMS,Grand AM & SCCA licences. We too @ RMVR, utilize these handbooks. Every student in our Driver's School gets one. A valuable little tool & as an aside, neat'art deco' cover work by artist Mark Bender. Kev Lynch GT6 From vintage.racer at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 10:02:51 2007 From: vintage.racer at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:02:51 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor References: Message-ID: <004201c7e40c$b9f23ff0$4acd0518@GHOffice> Kevin: This is an excellent book and our club, CSRG, purchased a quantity and made them available to all the members. This is a good book for both new and experienced drivers alike. Gary TR4, TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN LYNCH" To: "FOT" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: [Fot] Ace Factor > Yes, that book is called, "The ACE Factor." I can't think of the author's > full name right now, but it is E. Paul something, and he is a well known > professional driving instructor. > > > The author's name is E.Paul Dickinson who holds FIA,ALMS,Grand AM & SCCA > licences. > We too @ RMVR, utilize these handbooks. Every student in our Driver's > School > gets one. A valuable little tool & as an aside, neat'art deco' cover work > by > artist Mark Bender. > > Kev Lynch > GT6 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > vintage.racer at comcast.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 21 10:53:36 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:53:36 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: Radio Personality Paul Harvey frequently draws upon the wit and wisdom of Ron Dentinger....ya, that Dentinger Family. Ron recently sent this to Paul Harvey for his use on his radio show: "You know that you are overweight when your host steers you away from the WICKER CHAIRS". I guess this fits in well with Bill Babcock's recent commentaries on the current state of Midwestern Midsections. I suspect that this thread all began with Bill when we had dinner in a Geneseo, Illinois restaurant I ordered CHEESE with my Hash Browns...along with a greasy full platter of Pork Ribs. Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Tue Aug 21 11:08:22 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:08:22 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 11:53:36 AM Central Daylight Time, N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Radio Personality Paul Harvey frequently draws upon the wit and wisdom of > Ron Dentinger....ya, that Dentinger Family. > > Ron recently sent this to Paul Harvey for his use on his radio show: > > "You know that you are overweight when your host steers you away from the > WICKER CHAIRS". > True. My brother Ron is a humorist and professional banquet speaker. He has sold jokes to the likes of Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, and Henny Youngman. He's been sending Paul Harvey material for nearly two decades. I don't know for sure, but I don't think Paul has ever sent him a nickel. But, at least he's been giving him vocal credit the past few years. Ron says that's been worth more to him than any fee. My whole family is into humor. Ron is very laid back. If you've ever heard Ron speak, he has Henny Youngman's sense of humor and George Gobel's delivery. His routine is a bunch of very silly one liners, but there are so many, and they come quick one after another. He is very good, stays busy, and has a 'clean' routine. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Aug 21 11:18:24 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:18:24 EDT Subject: [Fot] "...and now for the rest of the story". Message-ID: Clean Routine....YES! Once John Deere had a very bad experience with an off-color comedian in a huge series of Retirement Banquets. Extremely bad experience..... I went to the Personnel Manager and suggested Ron Dentinger for the next series. Much harried Personnel Manager said, "the next time we are going to have the Mormon Tabernacle Choir"......... Joe A > True. My brother Ron is a humorist and professional banquet speaker. He > has sold jokes to the likes of Rodney Dangerfield, Joan Rivers, and Henny > Youngman. He's been sending Paul Harvey material for nearly two decades. I > don't know for sure, but I don't think Paul has ever sent him a nickel. But, at > least he's been giving him vocal credit the past few years. Ron says that's > been worth more to him than any fee. My whole family is into humor. Ron is > very laid back. If you've ever heard Ron speak, he has Henny Youngman's > sense of humor and George Gobel's delivery. His routine is a bunch of very silly > one liners, but there are so many, and they come quick one after another. > He is very good, stays busy, and has a 'clean' routine. > > Bill (Damdinger) > From stutzmans at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 19:11:18 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 21:11:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] watkins glen Message-ID: <003201c7e459$58963610$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go to waste if you didn't give them to us? Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys From tr3a58 at verizon.net Tue Aug 21 19:36:44 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:36:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] watkins glen Message-ID: <5773493.21195831187746605390.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> I have extra crew passes but they are for Roebling Road...I will be there along with Leo, and Don at the VDCA event. Come on down for some Fun. Triumph Fat Bastard supper included. Dean >From: Stutzman >Date: 2007/08/21 Tue PM 08:11:18 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] watkins glen >who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go to >waste if you didn't give them to us? >Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From gkbyrne at optushome.com.au Tue Aug 21 20:32:15 2007 From: gkbyrne at optushome.com.au (Geoffrey Byrne) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:32:15 +1000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Amici Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There are some on ebay for $60 geoff byrne TR6 racer down under From adcronin at ameritech.net Mon Aug 20 17:00:08 2007 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Recently Nominated to Join FOT Message-ID: <715592.22356.qm@web81312.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 8/20 List Members Back in early August Bill Sohl was kind enough to nominate me for membership in the FOT and it was in turn seconded by Doug Mitchell---thank you Doug! Bill suggested that perhaps I could write a short "bio" on my background with Triumphs, so here goes. My initial exposure to TR's began in summer of '64 while a student at Michigan State University. A good friend (DD) had a white 55 TR2 ,(he was the fourth owner of the car which had had the motor and rear axle upgraded to TR3A components by a prior purchaser). When he broke his ankle on a skate board and couldn't get the cast to work the clutch and brake peddles he sold TS6927L to me (5th owner) for $400. I drove the car daily till Uncle Sam called the summer of '66 and per our original deal, I offered it back to DD (6th owner) for the same $$ as I had purchased it for. I spent 3-1/2 years in the service of Uncle Sam, got married, etc and yearned to have a TR once more. DD still had the car, but had filled in the wing seams, redone the red leather interior in black vinyl and painted the car BRG. He drove it for a while then when something went wrong and had no time parked it in an outbuilding where it sat for many years. He agreed to sell it to me once again for the original $400 deal--this in 1976. Thus began my re-association with things Triumph. I joined the Vintage Triumph Register (#824), The Detroit Triumph Sports car Club, the Triumph Register (England) and the TRA. Became active in the early years of TVT as Special Projects Manager, Book Service Guy & Production Manager of TVT and eventually Vice President under Steve Rossi. From 1985 to 2005 was mostly inactive in the various clubs due to work and family but did manage to keep collecting various NOS and reproduction parts to eventually rebuild the "2". Have owned several other TR's, TS5616L, TS78310L, TCF1325L and TCF2386L over the years, but always had the restoration of that first TR2 in the back of my mind. I struggled with what sort of "restoration" to undertake---Original build show car, or updated daily driver---eventually settling in 2005 with---Spirited, Updated Daily Driver---which I am now in the midst of implementing. The list of items the car will exhibit is extensive and will make no economic sense to anyone including yours truly, but then that is not what drives us to extremes is it? The car will sit on a new RATCO Frame, especially modified by Tony Vigliotti to accept complete TR6 front suspension components which will be augmented with Uncle Jacks uprated stub axle kit, Toyota 4-pot calipers on EBS disks and SS braided flex lines to the new Revington TR split (front/rear) brake system components and Revington TR's rear disk brake kit (utilizing Rover 800 components) with remote Servo assist to help reduce peddle pressure inherent with four wheel disk brakes. I plan to install a front/rear pressure control to fine tune the front/rear bias. My plan at present is to retain stock TR6 front springs with Spax adjustable shocks and 3/4" front sway bar, new Utherane suspension bushings throughout. Rear suspension will also be stock springs dampened by Apple Hydraulics 15% uprated rebuilt lever shocks, SS front spring retainer bolt and Uth. bushing with upgraded rear shackle mounting. Diff has been rebuilt with 4:11 to 1 ring and pinion gearing mounted to a Quaife (gear type) Positrack unit enclosed by finned alloy diff. cover. Cooling supplied via full core aluminum radiator, alloy water pump housing with 6-blade impeller and alloy thin belt pulleys (including damper and alternator (negative ground conversion) pulleys, 12" electric fan with manual override and an oil cooler w/thermostat after spin on oil filter unit, and alloy sump with clearanced oil pump. Steering will be via a Revington TR Rack and Pinion conversion kit and a Mona-Lita 15" dished leather wheel, turn signals actuated via MG stalk mounted unit. Wheels are Panasport 5.5 x 15 and will probably go with 185 x 70 series tires to stay close to original tire diameter. Revington TR alloy front hubs and adjustable upper A arm gudgeon pins for added adjust-ability in suspension geometry. Motor will be TCF block with British Frame and Engine 89mm piston, tapered pins and liner kit, Cower steel billet crank (thanks Mordy) augmented by Carrillo standard length A beam rods. Cam will be around 280 degree duration and .410 +/- lift, new push rods to alloy roller rockers supported by alloy rocker supports with new shaft and comp. springs, alloy retainers, SS valves with .50 lager intake, gas flowed head and TR4A intake manifold, exhaust is TSI ceramic coated header to standard TR2 pipes. All rotating parts static and dynamically balanced to include Fidanza alloy flywheel, TR6 type McLoude diaphragm clutch pp and disk. HVDA TR to Toyota 5-speed transmission conversion (trans rebuilt by ManTran) with McLeod TOB. Additional engine upgrades will include Craine 3000 electronic ignition and matching coil, be built re-curved distributor by John Smarna, negative ground conversion, MagnaCor 10mm ignition wires, Bosh plugs. Alloy front engine plate and valve cover. Electric fuel pump / filters, alloy gas tank. A complete Dan Masters wire harness with additional relays will be installed along with 100 w Pl700 headlights, interior courtesy lites, under hood and trunk lights, XM and Nav systems, Mazda Miata seats and individual roll bars behind each seat with three point belts. Car will be topped off with factory steel hardtop. Interior will be put back to original red leather / vinyl (including Miata seats!) and carpet and the exterior body and top back to white, but probably from current generation Toyota Tundra pickup which is a bit "warmer and deeper" than the old Pearl White. That about does it, but I know I have neglected some items as this continues to be a "work in progress". If any of you have thoughts, suggestions or constructive criticism I am interested in hearing them. I am hoping to be done by VTR in Detroit for 2008, but?????????? Am also restoring a 1940 Indian four cylinder motorcycle and enjoy fly fishing in my spare time (now that I have retired and have some!). Thanks for your patients in reading his rather rambling tale and overlooking my mis-spellings too! Regards, Dan Cronin Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 14 03:38:38 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 02:38:38 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report Message-ID: <20070814095138.QRUM5405.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. We had just pulled out of Mesa and travelled about four miles on the Beeline Highway when something prompted me to ask Tyler if he had his driving boots packed. He checked and he did not. We turned around sprinted the twelve miles back home. That little side trip would cost me a little bit because the combined 24 mile detour left us 2.6 miles short of a Gas Station in Payson! Fortunately we were hauling race karts and gear in the trailer. Coasted to a stop on the side of the road, opened the trailer and poured in two gallons of mixed race gas into the tank. With 110 octane unleaded race gas costing $7 a gallon and a bottle of the castor (two bottles to five gallons) we mix with the gas also costing $7 each the per gallon cost of fuel to get us off the highway was almost $20! In case we had this same issue further on in the trip I took the opportunity to fill one of our gas jugs with 5 gallons of the "cheaper" premium pump gas. Since it was going to be a long weekend we stopped in Holbrook for the night before pushing on to Albuquerque the next morning to run test sessions that afternoon. The Club at Sandia that was organizing the event had never had karts run with them so they decided to have us run the shorter track layout. The Sandia track seems to have started life as a small banked oval track they had grew some lop-sided Mickey Mouse ears at each end. This means that the front and back straights of the oval serve to connect the two ends of the road course. Because of the banking of the oval you literally jump into and out of the oval across those transitions. Running the short version of the track meant that once the drivers jumped into the oval on the back straight they would continue around the oval back to the front straight and then jump out the other side. Taking this shorter route the 125 shifter karts were "only" doing 87-88 mph when they left the track surface (just before the braking zone). If they had run the full course and jumped into and out of the oval on the front straight they would have been doing at least 100 mph leaving the oval. Considerably more stopping power and time required to get around turn one onto the road course with very little run off room on the outside. The data trace for this section of track is kind of interesting. Just before the "jump" out of the oval Tyler hits 90 mph (at 54.484 seconds into the lap). 2 tenths of a second (54.607) later the data shows he is doing 99.2 mph and a hundredth of a second after that (54.698) he is back to 88.7 mph. You can certainly see that the kart is airborne for that fraction of a scond. Two and a half seconds after that he has braked down to 68.5 mph to enter Turn 1. The data acquisition on the kart showed that Tyler was hitting a good 2 G's going through the banked Turn 1 of the road course and a 5 second sustained 1.5 G load going through the banked portion of the oval. As the weekend progressed Tyler started to experiment with different approaches to the very fast Turn 1 and was soon driving it very differently then anyone else. Most were taking a classic stay wide and late apex the corner. Tyler on the other hand looked like he was giving a quick hard stab to the brake and downshifting just before the corner. This would upset the rear end of the kart and allowed him to rotate it through the corner and be back on the gas accelerating before the apex. The sound difference was pretty amazing. He was on the gas a full 20-30 feet before the other shifters were. The data showed that by the time he was hitting the highest G load into that corner (7 tenths of a second later) he had already accelerated to 72.8 mph which is 4 mph faster. Watching him I was thinking that this was going to kill the tires as the track surface was pretty abrasive. I could not see his line on most of the track so I don't know what he was doing there but whatever it was he was actually conserving the tires. I checked the tire temps of the other karts around us after the sessions and whereas their front and left rear tires were in the 130 degree range their right rear tires were in the 150's. Tyler on the other hand consistently came in with all four tires in the 130's. He did the four test sessions on Friday and the first practice on Saturday with the tires that were on the kart (for a total of seven heat cycles) before we put new tires on to finish out the weekend (five sessions) and he was not complaining of a lack of grip. For the race on Saturday Tyler had qualified third in the 125 shifters (this would be only his third race in this class) and he despite making a horrible start that saw him fall down the grid to sixth place by Turn 1 he managed to claw his way back up and finish the race in third. In doing so he had some great close wheel-to-wheel racing with William Herr and Mike Laycook. For Sunday's race we changed the gears to run the same ratio that the 1st, 2nd and 4th placed karts were running and Tyler qualified in second position. This time he did not muck up the start. However, on the exit of Turn 1 he did not give enough "racing room" to the kart on the outside in Pole position and forced that kart to the dirt on the outside. Fortunately that driver kept control and got it back on track after losing a few places. Karmic damage was done however and while Tyler did manage to take the lead and hold it for five laps he eventually lost the lead and trying to either make a low percentage move on the new leader or just trying a different line he hooked the left rear wheel off the track in a tight left hand corner and spun off. A kindly corner worker gave him a push and got him going again at least two laps down. However that Bad Karma was not through with him yet. Two laps later as he was coming through the tight banked right hand Turn 6 the left rear wheel sheared the studs off the hub (probably due to damage from the previous incident) and sent the tire bouncing across the in-field. Tyler managed to drive the now three-wheeled kart back to the pits. I think he got in enough laps for a finish so we will come away from that race with some points at least. I also got to meet up with fellow FOT (Friends of Triumph http://www.fot-racing.com/) driver Greg Hilyer and see him pedal his plum colored TR4 around the track in the Vintage group. All-in-all it was a good weekend. Of course the sticker on the back of my Porsche does say "A Bad Day at the Track beats a Good Day at the Office" There were a ton of photos taken that I posted up to our clubs website http://www.southwestkarters.com/ (but then broke the site working on it earlier today. Doh! It's not completely fixed yet but here is a link to the gallery. http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=51&lzkfile=SandiaAug07%2F This is a picture of Tyler going into Turn 1: http://www.southwestkarters.com/?page_id=51&lzkfile=SandiaAug07%2FRSR_3299.jpg From dave at microworks.net Tue Aug 21 23:35:48 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:35:48 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns In-Reply-To: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> References: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Message-ID: <20070822053816.QFJM11280.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> I use one for Tire temps but Exhaust would probably be meaningless to use a gun since you would only be getting the temp of an exhaust pipe that would have significantly cooled down by the time you could pop the hood and get a reading. For example I just fired up my notebook to look at the data from our race two weekends ago at Sandia (howdy Greg!). Taking a snap shot of a section of track in the race (28.063 into the lap) the EGT was at 1,066 degrees. At 31.264 into that lap a downshift and lift off the gas for a corner brought the EGT down to 922 but at the end of the following straight (43.448) the EGT was back up to 1,108. We normally like to see a peak EGT around 1,150 - 1,200 but there was just no air to burn up there in Albuquerque and we were running the leanest jets we had. We use a probe to get EGT temps. Probably just pulling and reading the plugs would give you more info about Exhaust temp than using an infrared gun could. For tires it is certainly helpful. I use the gun to check our tires and the tires of the others around us. At 07:32 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote: >Amici >Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust >temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There >are some on ebay for $60 >geoff byrne >TR6 racer down under >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >dave at microworks.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 22 01:03:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:03:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: <001801c7e464$afac36b0$5c01efdc@co3017577a> Message-ID: I'm not sure they're worth much. I've got one, never use it. For sure they are quick and simple, but surface temperature isn't what you want with tires. for other stuff they might be OK, but I haven't found it imprtant. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Geoffrey Byrne Sent: Tue 8/21/2007 7:32 PM To: Friends of Triumph Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Amici Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There are some on ebay for $60 geoff byrne TR6 racer down under billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 22 04:15:29 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:15:29 -0400 Subject: [Fot] GT6 and Spit Message-ID: <001f01c7e4a5$5ea13b30$0401a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> You can crank n that extra negative camber. A set of extended bolt front suspension mounts are listed on ebay 280143567886. Ending in 15 hours. GT6Bob From Group44TR7 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 06:57:00 2007 From: Group44TR7 at aol.com (Group44TR7 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:57:00 EDT Subject: [Fot] Monterey Historics - After thoughts of a Spectator Message-ID: The family favorite was the replica of the fabulous Hudson Hornet - which I think was there only as a paddock exhibit. It turns out the car was used for sounds and illustration purposes in the production of the movie "Cars". Owner was wonderful with our children - we have pictures of all three children in the driver seat. One does not go the Monterey Historics with an expectation of seeing more than a token number, if any, Triumph race cars. My hat is off to the owner of the replica TR2 racecar on a great presentation. However, it struck me as rather ironic that the only Triumph bodied car accepted was that nicely prepared and presented replica of a famous TR2 racecar when there are a great selection of existing Triumph race cars with significant American racing histories. Overall, another great job by General Racing to put together a diverse and interesting array of cars. The spectator friendly layout of the paddock was especially appreciated after the going on a warm hiking expedition at Road America; plus each car had an explanation of its specifications and history. Add to that the Monterey aquarium, swimming pool, sandy beaches, etc. and you have kids who want to go again next year. Since my children do not like Brats; it will be sometime before I am going to even mention the possibility of another RA trip. Best wishes to all CP ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From mattspit at att.net Wed Aug 22 07:02:31 2007 From: mattspit at att.net (mattspit at att.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:02:31 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <082220071302.13621.46CC33E7000B92C80000353521612436469B079F9C9B9B0E03@att.net> Worked fine for tires, be quick not tried on exhaust but worked fine on wheels, brakes etc/. Time is of the essence. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Geoffrey Byrne" > > Amici > Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and exhaust > temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. There > are some on ebay for $60 > geoff byrne > TR6 racer down under > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > mattspit at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 22 07:19:53 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:19:53 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 08/21/2007 9:22:19 PM Central Daylight Time, gkbyrne at optushome.com.au writes: > Has anyone experience with using an infrared gun to measure tyre and > exhaust > temperatures . I'm thinking about buying one and would like some advice. > There > are some on ebay for $60 > Geoff... My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by our garage door. I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Everything I've read suggests the probe type is more accurate for tires. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Fubog1 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 07:29:47 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:29:47 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 8/22/2007 9:21:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BillDentin at aol.com writes: Everything I've read suggests the probe type is more accurate for tires. Absolutely! Surface temp will get you in the "ballpark" but to get the true temp you have to stick them. Yeah it's a PITA... Glen ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From emanteno at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 08:27:01 2007 From: emanteno at comcast.net (emanteno at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:27:01 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <082220071427.29914.46CC47B50004A88E000074DA2200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> -------------- Original message -------------- From: BillDentin at aol.com > My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works > slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past > week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by > our garage door. > > I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Especially for measuring passing round butt temps. ;-) From RYoung at navcomtech.com Wed Aug 22 10:20:54 2007 From: RYoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:20:54 -0700 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs In-Reply-To: <20070821002344.MLDR23432.oaamta05ps.mx.bigpond.com@Rat01> Message-ID: <20070822162021.WSRX19326.mta15.adelphia.net@randall> > I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. > These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. TRF has new ones listed, under P/N 502554 for the whole set. If you do buy them, would you let me know the free lengths, please ? Randall From tlizzard at msn.com Wed Aug 22 10:33:01 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:33:01 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: <082220071427.29914.46CC47B50004A88E000074DA2200763692970A9D010507@comcast.net> Message-ID: They can be handy for diagnosing a weak cylinder, Take a reading off the individual exhaust runners on the header while the engine is running. Find one that is radically different than the others and bingo. Terry Stetler. From lunkercars at earthlink.net Wed Aug 22 10:39:56 2007 From: lunkercars at earthlink.net (Greg "Lunker" Hilyer) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment References: <64858040-8FB8-47ED-A349-4B054E5523D7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > Date: August 22, 2007 10:25:22 AM MDT > To: "David W. Riddle" > Cc: "wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" > , fot at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment > > Nice to meet you and Tyler and thanks for the Triumphfest poster > [have fun in Laughlin!]. Hope you had enough fun to come again. > Bring your TR3 next time! I hope to make one of your events over > the winter. > After her little off-track excursion earlier in the month, Connie > got back in the TR4 on Saturday and now has her competition > license. I drove it Sunday and after killing two tires in two > sessions, realized that something is amuck up front. Managed a 3rd > but was down nearly 2 seconds a lap. Along with a fix will > [finally] come some camber adjustment. Seems that most methods of > camber adjustment are carried out at the lower a-arm bracket but I > am thinking of slotting the top of the shock tower instead - > Thoughts or advice anyone? > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > TR4 #314 > Albuquerque NM > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:38 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > >> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from >> Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. From don at carterdesignassociates.com Wed Aug 22 11:28:05 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:28:05 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. don at carterdesignassociates.com From BillDentin at aol.com Wed Aug 22 11:34:49 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:34:49 EDT Subject: [Fot] Temperature Probes Message-ID: In a message dated 08/22/2007 12:20:30 PM Central Daylight Time, WEmery7451 writes: > Did you probe the bypassing round Butts? > > You have no idea the preoccupation the FOT has with butts and probes. Nor did I. But to answer your question, Bob and I did talk about it. Problem is we're getting old and don't move as fast as we used to. We did invite one to our wine and cheese party, and she did show up. That's the good news. The bad news was the big dude she brought with her. Bill (Damdinger) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From RYoung at navcomtech.com Wed Aug 22 11:37:26 2007 From: RYoung at navcomtech.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:37:26 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <20070822173652.BAM20752.mta16.adelphia.net@randall> > I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has > already been talked about so much before. I wish I had > remembered what was said and the advice given at the > time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this > device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing > by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of > course causing a hard pull to the left. Guess it depends on what car we're talking about; but AFAIK the PDWA never limits or changes the flow of fluid, even when the piston is off to one side (activating the switch). One way to be sure would be to remove the piston, and reassemble with a pressure plug in place of the switch. Purely a temporary measure, as this will mean that any leak will totally disable the hydraulic brakes (effectively reverting to a single-circuit system), but at least then you could go on to find the real problem. > All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 > brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. Likely you know this, but TRF sells quart bottles for a reasonable price. Randall From herald948 at aol.com Wed Aug 22 12:33:55 2007 From: herald948 at aol.com (herald948 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:33:55 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <8C9B30221AC7F84-7E0-7BCC@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Don Carter I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. ... ==AM== The PDWA won't do this; it is there simply to provide a mechanism to operate a warning lamp when there is a significant difference in pressure between the two circuits. --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database at its new URL: ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From lang at isis.mit.edu Wed Aug 22 12:50:58 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: Hi, If the front left is locking up, you either have a problem with the right caliper or there's a problem with the hydraulics going to the front right, e.g. you're not getting the same hydraulic pressure on both sides. There could also be a suspension problem that results in no or less weight transfer to the front left - and the wheel would lock because it's not loaded, but that would or should also result in very strange handling. Another possible problem would be a warped or cracked front left rotor, but this should also result in pulses in the brake pedal. I seriously doubt that the PDWA could cause one side of the car to lock before the other. If you look at the circuit, it's M/C to PDWA and then PDWA to either the front or the rear. There's nothing there to effect side-to-side haydraulics. I'd verify that both right front caliper pistons move and then go from there. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From triosan at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 12:52:15 2007 From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:52:15 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment In-Reply-To: <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> References: <64858040-8FB8-47ED-A349-4B054E5523D7@earthlink.net> <8E0457DD-8C46-49ED-B36B-C73ACBFAABDC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8cbd782d0708221152p79bcaab1v457784d1ddd3ced6@mail.gmail.com> Greg, I changed the holes where the upper ball joint attaches to the arms -- moved them in a quarter inch, got lots of camber. Needed to do this because previous owner had welded in the lower brackets. My fix works fine, but the inner hole is a little sloppy as it is on the diagonal surface of the a-arm. On 8/22/07, Greg Lunker Hilyer wrote: > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: "Greg \"Lunker\" Hilyer" > > Date: August 22, 2007 10:25:22 AM MDT > > To: "David W. Riddle" > > Cc: "wheeltowheel at wheeltowheel.com" > > , fot at autox.team.net > > Subject: [Fot] Sandia Race Report and TR4 camber adjustment > > > > Nice to meet you and Tyler and thanks for the Triumphfest poster > > [have fun in Laughlin!]. Hope you had enough fun to come again. > > Bring your TR3 next time! I hope to make one of your events over > > the winter. > > After her little off-track excursion earlier in the month, Connie > > got back in the TR4 on Saturday and now has her competition > > license. I drove it Sunday and after killing two tires in two > > sessions, realized that something is amuck up front. Managed a 3rd > > but was down nearly 2 seconds a lap. Along with a fix will > > [finally] come some camber adjustment. Seems that most methods of > > camber adjustment are carried out at the lower a-arm bracket but I > > am thinking of slotting the top of the shock tower instead - > > Thoughts or advice anyone? > > Greg "Lunker" Hilyer > > TR4 #314 > > Albuquerque NM > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:38 AM, David W. Riddle wrote: > > > >> This past weekend (8/10-8/12) Tyler and I made the six hour trek from > >> Mesa to Albuquerque to run at Sandia Motorsports Park. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > triosan at gmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > -- Chuck Arnold From hottr6 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 13:24:50 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:24:50 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: Hi Don, My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? My next suggestion would be to replace the PDWA with a T-junction and a proportioning valve. Shane Ingate PS Getting quotes for an enclosed truck to move Rags from MD to NM. $2,000, yowee! :( ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Carter asked: I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to do this many more times. _________________________________________________________________ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink From koblinger at verizon.net Wed Aug 22 14:45:18 2007 From: koblinger at verizon.net (koblinger at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:45:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block Message-ID: <9682380.4480731187815518213.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Just a thought. Some years ago I had a '55 Chevy wagon that I converted to disc brakes. About a year after the conversion it developed a severe pull to the left. After much effort liberally sprinkled with four letter words, I discovered that the flexible brake hose to the right caliper had failed internally, restricting flow to that caliper. The hose was a name brand and less than two years old. Replaced hose (actually both just to be safe!) and problem solved. Cheers, Kurt O. >From: Don Carter >Date: 2007/08/22 Wed PM 12:28:05 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block >I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked >about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice >given at the time....but at the time I had never had a problem with this >device. I now expect that this "splitter" is what is causing by left front >to lock-up much sooner than the right, of course causing a hard pull to the >left. All other components seem to work fine when I check them. All my TR >buds including a couple of FOTers think it must be the PDWA. Would some of >you that don't mind repeating yourselves, please give me the skinny on this >problem. What is my alternatives for a TR6 that I drive both for autoX and >some street use? I am about to try new o-rings (again) to see if that will >help. All of you need to get some stock in DOT 5 brake fluid if I have to >do this many more times. > >don at carterdesignassociates.com >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >koblinger at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From stutzmans at comcast.net Wed Aug 22 16:33:40 2007 From: stutzmans at comcast.net (Stutzman) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Fot] watkins glen References: <5773493.21195831187746605390.JavaMail.root@vms125.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <000a01c7e50c$7d822d40$6400a8c0@D9DGQM31> thanks, but we have a great adventure planned. Labor day weekend at Lime Rock, then up to Mt Equinox, then Vermonts Green Mountains, then into NY to Lake George, then the Adirondacks and Lake Placid, then the Seaways Trail along the St. Lawrence and finally to Watkins Glen for the races the next weekend - in our TRs. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stutzman" ; Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] watkins glen >I have extra crew passes but they are for Roebling Road...I will be there >along with Leo, and Don at the VDCA event. Come on down for some Fun. >Triumph Fat Bastard supper included. > > Dean > > > > >>From: Stutzman >>Date: 2007/08/21 Tue PM 08:11:18 CDT >>To: fot at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Fot] watkins glen > >>who will be at Watkins Glen with extra crew passes that would otherwise go >>to >>waste if you didn't give them to us? >>Bruce Stutzman and the WPTA guys >>_______________________________________________ >>http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >>tr3a58 at verizon.net >>Fot mailing list >>Fot at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Wed Aug 22 18:35:27 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:35:27 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day Message-ID: <20070822.203527.5638.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com> I will be racing in the Longest Day, 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges this weekend. I will be one of 6 drivers in the Team Rhino Miata ( I know it's not a TR, but at least it is a 2 seat sports car). If any listers are going to be at the track, look me up. Joe(B) Mail! http://track.netzero.net/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130420-251 From greenman62 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 22 20:37:56 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:37:56 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there > is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water. You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From mark at bradakis.com Wed Aug 22 21:32:24 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:32:24 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <002701c7e4e1$cd5c20d0$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: <46CCFFC8.9010806@bradakis.com> >I hate to hit the FOT list with this question that has already been talked >about so much before. I wish I had remembered what was said and the advice >given at the time > For those of you not familiar with the various Team.Net services provided, check out http://www.team.net/archive for past discussions on the various lists I mismanage. mjb. From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 00:21:36 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:21:36 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: <003201c7e54d$de92e5c0$6402a8c0@HOME> Depending on the beam spread if the sensor (not the laser) the distance is important to estimate the correct heat of the object. If the round butts are more than 1meter away I really question the value you've estimated. ;-) I use a very small one that is as big as a 1 silver dollar coin. I have it in my racing suit pocket so I can jump out of the car and take tire temperatures. 3 values each tire. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:36 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:27:09 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net -------------- Original message -------------- From: BillDentin at aol.com > My racing partner, Bob Wismer, has an infrared gun for measuring heat. Works > slick and is sure quick and dirty. We were using it at GRATTAN this past > week end on nearly everything including a couple of round butts that passed by > our garage door. > > I have the traditional 'probe-type,' which is not nearly so convenient. Especially for measuring passing round butt temps. ;-) _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 00:23:26 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:23:26 +0200 Subject: [Fot] overdrive springs Message-ID: <003701c7e54e$1d5e5640$6402a8c0@HOME> I've shortend the springs about 1" and replaced the cut off piece with a spacer. Did rise the pressure a lot and the down shift is much faster and harder. Only for racing purpose. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:37 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] overdrive springs Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 22 Aug 2007 11:20:27 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net From: "Randall" To: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:20:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfjiYiCYKO8E8i2SWWmog90OfdkuQBTqRJw Subject: Re: [Fot] overdrive springs X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: > I'm chasing a set of 8 springs for TR4 A-type overdrive. > These are short & long type (4 of each). New or used. TRF has new ones listed, under P/N 502554 for the whole set. If you do buy them, would you let me know the free lengths, please ? Randall _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 07:06:20 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:06:20 EDT Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed Message-ID: FoT, I broke my pipe, Anybody got a spare? Engine filter base to Oil Pressure....I have the flex hose. Lot's of trading stock here to reciprocate...... Need ASAP. Thanks, Joe Alexander From BillDentin at aol.com Thu Aug 23 07:57:46 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:57:46 EDT Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns Message-ID: In a message dated 08/23/2007 1:21:34 AM Central Daylight Time, chris at tr4-racing.de writes: > <<< Depending on the beam spread if the sensor (not the laser) the > distance is > important to estimate the correct heat of the object. > If the round butts are more than 1meter away I really question the value > you've estimated. ;-) >>> > Christ...for round butt testing, our Plan A is the results of our visual inspection. > We then go to the pyrometer for fine tuning the results and ties. > > <<< I use a very small one that is as big as a 1 silver dollar coin. I have > it in > my racing suit pocket so I can jump out of the car and take tire > temperatures. > 3 values each tire. >>> > Us too. When we do it, we try to avoid a cool down lap, and we come in HOT, prior to the end of the session. We take readings in the Hot Pits. Works best with two crew members (one for pressures, one for temperatures) and the driver taking notes. I am not sure how effective our efforts are, but I'll tell you what...we look great doing it. Bill Dentinger ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 08:19:40 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:19:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Uncle Jack's Con-Rod Conversion for TR3/TR4-1st use report-short Message-ID: FoT, The lightweight performance con-rods from Uncle Jack went through one strenuous race weekend, including an Enduro. Normally, I mostly use modified stock TR parts, but this was intriguing to me. Outcome: Successful!!!! No unusual wear pattern with narrower big end. FoT Chris German did this first and had the same experience. Lighter Weight than Stock Lower cost than Carillo Designed for high HP Low Cost Clevite 77 Bearing Shells ($12.50 per four) Required special spacers at the small end to centralize Required adjustment in Oil Pressure to get back to Spec at gage. Required different grind on journals....needed grind anyway. I think the spacers could be made of Nylatron and supplied to a nominal size and cut, by user, to suit various Piston Configurations. My Opinion. Certainly seems worth considering. The AMBRO will get them, eventually. Joe A TR4 #197 I am sure I am missing a couple items here, but clearly it can be done. I will continue to monitor the results with great optimism. From don at carterdesignassociates.com Thu Aug 23 09:46:32 2007 From: don at carterdesignassociates.com (Don Carter) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:32 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> Thanks Greg. You're not the first to suggest that Dot 5 may be the problem. I've used it for years because the car sits-up without running much most of the year. I will use it one or twice each month. Glycol based fluid (Dot 4) just caused me so much trouble with eating up Master cylinder, brake cylinder, and slave unit seals, not to mention the paint surrounding the master cylinders after it ruins seals when the cars sit for two weeks at a time without running. If this cause turns out to be the silicone fluid, I would really be surprised, but as I've said I'm almost ready to try anything. I'll try another weekend of test and let you know. I do know the PDWA is not in backwards. Thanks again. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message----- From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:38 PM To: Shane Ingate; don at carterdesignassociates.com Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA block > My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there > is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier? Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water. You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know) Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From greenman62 at hotmail.com Thu Aug 23 10:11:19 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 16:11:19 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Brake PDWA block In-Reply-To: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> References: <000001c7e59c$c7fc5450$57e8a8c0@DWC> Message-ID: When I rebuilt the Greenman (My departed TR4), I went with Dot 5. I was more worried about the caustic effects of Glycol on automotive enamel. By some accounts Dot 5 causes swelling of the rubber parts. I didn't observe anything like that in the 18 years I owned the car. The only brake issue I did have was finding out I had installed the PDWA valve backwards. Otherwise Dot 5 worked just fine. I did flush the system yearly though, which is what they advise you to to with Glycol brake fluids too. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From: don at carterdesignassociates.comTo: greenman62 at hotmail.com; hottr6 at hotmail.comCC: fot at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA blockDate: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:46:32 -0500 Thanks Greg. You're not the first to suggest that Dot 5 may be the problem. I've used it for years because the car sits-up without running much most of the year. I will use it one or twice each month. Glycol based fluid (Dot 4) just caused me so much trouble with eating up Master cylinder, brake cylinder, and slave unit seals, not to mention the paint surrounding the master cylinders after it ruins seals when the cars sit for two weeks at a time without running. If this cause turns out to be the silicone fluid, I would really be surprised, but as I've said I'm almost ready to try anything. I'll try another weekend of test and let you know. I do know the PDWA is not in backwards. Thanks again. Don W. Carter, AIA Carter Design Associates 6213 Skyline Dr., Suite 100 Houston, Texas 77057 (713) 529-2288 Telephone (713) 789-2330 Fax don at carterdesignassociates.com -----Original Message-----From: greenman62 at hotmail.com [mailto:greenman62 at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 9:38 PMTo: Shane Ingate; don at carterdesignassociates.comCc: fot at autox.team.netSubject: RE: [Fot] Brake PDWA block> My $0.02. Could the DOT 5 fluid be the cause, I mean, if there> is air/water in the RF caliper could this cause the LF to lock earlier?Ermm... Isn't Dot 5 silicone? If so it's not hydrophyllic. Dot 4 and the other glycol-based brake fluids are Hydrophyllic and will absorb water.You may want to check if the PDWA valve is installed in the correct direction. If it's in backwards it could be causing your symptoms (don't ask me how I know)Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 23 10:26:42 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:26:42 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Infrared Temperature Guns References: Message-ID: <002101c7e5a2$64558f60$6402a8c0@HOME> > ........ but I'll tell you what...we look great doing it. That's what it is all about :-)) From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 14:57:44 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 15:57:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed Message-ID: <32941627.4611691187902664473.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> Joe; I have three of these on the shelf if you don't have another offer yet. Send me your address if you still need one. Dean T. >From: N197TR4 at cs.com >Date: 2007/08/23 Thu AM 08:06:20 CDT >To: fot at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] Oil Pressure Pipe, with Banjo Fitting, Needed >FoT, > >I broke my pipe, Anybody got a spare? > >Engine filter base to Oil Pressure....I have the flex hose. > >Lot's of trading stock here to reciprocate...... > >Need ASAP. > >Thanks, Joe Alexander >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tr3a58 at verizon.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 23 15:08:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:08:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Banjo Fittting and World's Fastest Golf Car Message-ID: Have needed Banjo Fitting Coming. Thanks for all of the responses. FoT Rocks! Whilst at the NAPA Store....expecting to order 'seldom used' NGKs for my TR4 Application. I expected to order but they had plenty on the shelf. It seems there is huge demand for these NGKs, as they are frequently used on GOLF CARS. Now I am on my third set of NGKs in 16 years and, more importantly, I can give back the set I borrowed from Tony Drews. From tr3a58 at verizon.net Thu Aug 23 16:05:29 2007 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (tr3a58 at verizon.net) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:05:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Fot] Part search Message-ID: <13077777.10744291187906729512.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> Would anybody on the FOT have a Stag Distributor they could part with. I need a housing as the hold down ears got broken on mine. I need a dual point MKII type, used on 72-73 years. Thanks; Dean T. From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Thu Aug 23 20:36:55 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:36:55 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire Message-ID: Amici, I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. Does anyone have any recommendations for jets and air correctors? Right now it's got 140 jets and 170 main air corrector and 160 secondary air corrector. Anyone have any suggestions? I will have the car on the chassis dyno for the next two weekends trying to figure a couple problems out (one is losing spark to #1 under load) the other is making HP at too low an RPM. aaron #87 HP Spitfire 1500 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Aug 23 22:02:49 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:02:49 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire withdrawals, I really need to get one back on the road for the upcoming fall season here in the mountains of Utah. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Thu Aug 23 22:48:45 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Let me add to mark's comment. Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different from the design of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have a dual Weber DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer than the inside two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with a single carb. Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM To: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire withdrawals, I really need to get one back on the road for the upcoming fall season here in the mountains of Utah. mjb. spitlist at cox.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From fpspitfire at insightbb.com Fri Aug 24 03:49:06 2007 From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com (fpspitfire at insightbb.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:49:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. Currently that rule is: 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > Let me add to mark's comment. > > Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different > from the design > of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have > a dual Weber > DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. > > With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer > than the inside > two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with > a single > carb. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Mark J. > Bradakis > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > > >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > > > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted > manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! > > Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire > withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the > upcoming fall season > here in the mountains of Utah. > > mjb. > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Fri Aug 24 07:42:57 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire In-Reply-To: References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: Hi, Since you put it "that way" (limited by rules)... Seeing that you have a DGV, I don't think you should need to buy 50 jets. You should do a plug cut with what you have and then go two sizes richer / leaner with the mains if you're off. If those go the other way (too rich or too lean), back off one size on your mains. That's pretty standard Weber tuning. I don't know squat about DGV's, so I can't help you on basic numbers, but the Des Hammil Weber book has some charts that seem to be very good starting points. The jets that you have sound reasonable for a 1500. regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From spitlist at cox.net Fri Aug 24 08:20:45 2007 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:20:45 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com> <001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <000f01c7e659$f6275880$2d02a8c0@Belkin> Good Point (about the rules, that is). The DGV has similar issues with runner length as does the single DCOE. You might find that because of the much better design of the stock intake manifold that the single ZS carb is much better for the application. Judging by what KAZ was able to accomplish using two 1.25" SU's I would say that it is very likely that you can get the ZS to work as well if not better than the DGV. It is much simpler and you certainly won't have to buy a ton of brass parts to tune it. Do they allow the Europen twin SU setup? Joe C. ----- Original Message ----- From: fpspitfire at insightbb.com To: Joe Curry Cc: 'Mark J. Bradakis' ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. Currently that rule is: 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Curry Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > Let me add to mark's comment. > > Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different > from the design > of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have > a dual Weber > DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. > > With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer > than the inside > two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with > a single > carb. > > Joe C. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net > [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf > Of Mark J. > Bradakis > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM > To: fot at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > > >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... > > > >Anyone have any suggestions? > > > > > > My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted > manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! > > Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire > withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the > upcoming fall season > here in the mountains of Utah. > > mjb. > spitlist at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > fpspitfire at insightbb.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 24 13:43:58 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 12:43:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com><001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> Message-ID: <008501c7e687$1d2f6fd0$5717c548@RW> One thing that works reasonable well in dyno tuning is to use a oxy/ac torch tip cleaning kit to increase the size of the jets a tad at a time. I've done this with quite good success. The tool is dirt cheap to buy and by using a mic to check the size of each cleaner you have a close idea the increase and you can use (or ruin) only a single jet for several runs. My tool made by Murex has 12 cleaners ranging from .017", 020",.023",.026",.030",.034" etc. You can use number drill to get the same use of a single jet. In the end I had a genuine Weber jet drill set but I doubt you can find one these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Curry" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the > benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say > just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure > of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. > > Currently that rule is: > 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are > currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the > Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy > 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. > > aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > >> Let me add to mark's comment. >> >> Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different >> from the design >> of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have >> a dual Weber >> DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. >> >> With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer >> than the inside >> two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with >> a single >> carb. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Mark J. >> Bradakis >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >> >> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... >> > >> >Anyone have any suggestions? >> > >> > >> >> My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted >> manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire >> withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the >> upcoming fall season >> here in the mountains of Utah. >> >> mjb. >> spitlist at cox.net >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> fpspitfire at insightbb.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Fri Aug 24 14:30:44 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves Message-ID: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 24 15:44:52 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:44:52 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire References: <46CE5869.1000100@bradakis.com><001401c7e60a$0dd4a690$2202a8c0@newcomputer> <008501c7e687$1d2f6fd0$5717c548@RW> Message-ID: I used jeweler's broaches to do the same thing. They leave a smooth finish on the inside of the jet, which is important, and if you use a size that fits roughly halfway through the jet before reaming, they have minimal taper. the problem of course is that you wind up with mislabled jets that you must be careful with. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Kas Kastner Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 12:43 PM To: fpspitfire at insightbb.com; Joe Curry Cc: fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire One thing that works reasonable well in dyno tuning is to use a oxy/ac torch tip cleaning kit to increase the size of the jets a tad at a time. I've done this with quite good success. The tool is dirt cheap to buy and by using a mic to check the size of each cleaner you have a close idea the increase and you can use (or ruin) only a single jet for several runs. My tool made by Murex has 12 cleaners ranging from .017", 020",.023",.026",.030",.034" etc. You can use number drill to get the same use of a single jet. In the end I had a genuine Weber jet drill set but I doubt you can find one these days. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Joe Curry" Cc: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > I'm fully aware that this situation isn't great and I'm fully aware of the > benefits of dual and single sidedraught carbs. While it's great to say > just put a sidedraught weber on...I have to work within the rule structure > of the SCCA Limited Prep engine rules.. > > Currently that rule is: > 1.5" Unmodified Stromberg or a 32/36DGV on an adaptor. What we are > currently finding on the dyno is that the 32/36 is an improvement over the > Stromberg, it just needs to be tuned more and I really don't want to buy > 50 jets/air correctors to tune it. > > aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Curry > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2007 23:48 > Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire > To: "'Mark J. Bradakis'" , fot at autox.team.net > >> Let me add to mark's comment. >> >> Since the head design of the 8 port head is vastly different >> from the design >> of the Weber DCOE side draft, It is much more efficient to have >> a dual Weber >> DCOE setup so that the manifold runners will be more equal in length. >> >> With a single side draft, the outside two runners are longer >> than the inside >> two and it is therefore difficult to balance the cylinders with >> a single >> carb. >> >> Joe C. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net >> [mailto:fot-bounces+spitlist=cox.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf >> Of Mark J. >> Bradakis >> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:03 PM >> To: fot at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [Fot] Weber DGV Jet recommendations - 1500 spitfire >> >> >I have a Weber DGV on my Spitfire 1500. ... >> > >> >Anyone have any suggestions? >> > >> > >> >> My suggestion is to toss that downdraft and its associated convoluted >> manifold and put in a real sidedraft carb! >> >> Sorry, couldn't resist. I've been going through Spitfire >> withdrawals,I really need to get one back on the road for the >> upcoming fall season >> here in the mountains of Utah. >> >> mjb. >> spitlist at cox.net >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> fpspitfire at insightbb.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From BillB at bnj.com Fri Aug 24 15:48:11 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:48:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I use .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From kaskas at cox.net Fri Aug 24 16:08:21 2007 From: kaskas at cox.net (Kas Kastner) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:08:21 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <012201c7e69b$487d2970$5717c548@RW> I think probably .015" clearance is s good number to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "jim hearn" ; Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves > If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I > use > .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves > > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From awashatko at wi.rr.com Fri Aug 24 17:23:02 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:23:02 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves In-Reply-To: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <36a7e80d1f191a1806d7abd3fde7bea9@wi.rr.com> Jim, If I'm reading my cam spec sheet correctly, I'm running 254 degrees of duration. Valve lash is currently .016" for exhaust and .015" for intake. When I first installed the cam, it was recommended that I run .022" exhaust and .020" for intake but the valve stem ends began to show severe wear. Hope this helps. Allen On Aug 24, 2007, at 3:30 PM, jim hearn wrote: > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need > other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what > the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a > short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general > settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which > had a name of winmail.dat] > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > awashatko at wi.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > Jody & Allen Washatko N65 W5567 Columbia Road Cedarburg, WI. 53012 USA tel. (262) 375-6888 From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com Fri Aug 24 17:32:04 2007 From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 09:32:04 +1000 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods Message-ID: <000701c7e6a6$fa6ac790$0301010a@purplebox> Has anyone tried alternative conrods in 6 cyl engines to get weight down??. We have successfully used Mitsubishi 4G32 rods in a 2000 engine and are currently looking at a 2500. Years ago we did 2 race engines with custom made carillos, but the price was just stupid. Thanks. Terry O'Beirne From budscars at msn.com Fri Aug 24 18:15:36 2007 From: budscars at msn.com (RACER BUD) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:15:36 -0700 Subject: [Fot] vintage race car wanted Message-ID: <014001c7e6ad$120e3480$1683b304@Bud> vintage race car wanted probably sprite/midget, please contact Scott Brown at scott at vintage31.com It's for a friend of his who wants to get started in vintage Thanks Racer Bud From klynch_6 at msn.com Fri Aug 24 18:32:27 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:32:27 -0600 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> <012201c7e69b$487d2970$5717c548@RW> Message-ID: Talk to APT... Kev ----- Original Message ----- From: Kas Kastner To: Bill Babcock ; jim hearn ; FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves I think probably .015" clearance is s good number to try. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" > To: "jim hearn" >; > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] Adjusting valves > If the cam is ong duration you probably need at least .015" clearance. I > use > .022" intake and .025" exhaust on Peyote. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of jim hearn > Sent: Fri 8/24/2007 1:30 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves > > It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other > than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the > cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short > time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily > tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings > and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had > a > name of winmail.dat] > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > kaskas at cox.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html klynch_6 at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From goodparts at verizon.net Fri Aug 24 19:38:13 2007 From: goodparts at verizon.net (Richard Good) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Adjusting valves In-Reply-To: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> References: <000001c7e68d$a5b5f0d0$c52a144c@computer> Message-ID: <46CF8805.3080800@verizon.net> Jim, Valve clearance is quite specific to the cam profile and should be set per the manufacturer's recommendation. Cams are generally ground with a gentle ramp at the opening and closing ends of the lobe to take up the clearance at a fairly low velocity then once the clearance is taken up the velocity ramps up quickly. Setting the clearance too low causes the valve to crack open way early and close late resulting in loss of low end. Setting the clearance too high causes the rocker to hit the valve stem at high velocity causing noise and potential wear. If you don't have specs for your cam you may be able to get a pretty good idea of the correct clearance by charting the lift at the beginning of the lobe. Put a degree wheel on the crank and a dial indicator on a push rod. Zero the indicator on the cam base circle then turn one degree at a time and record the lift at each degree. You should see a point at which the lift starts to change much more rapidly. It will help the plot the lift on a chart. Excel works great. If you don't want to go to all the work of a degree wheel and a chart, you should be able to see the transition point just by watching the dial indicator while you slowly and steadily turn the crank. If the indicator moves slowly up to .010" then starts to move much more quickly then .010" would be a good number for your cam clearance. Take that times your rocker ratio and you have your valve clearance. Valve clearance recommendations for a given cam are based on the clearance desired at the cam times an assumed rocker ratio. Cam manufacturers often use a nominal rocker ratio of 1.50:1 for the calculation. If you are using a different rocker ratio then you should change the valve clearance to maintain the correct clearance at the cam. For instance, if a manufacturer recommends .015" at the valve using a 1.50:1 rocker they are looking for .010" at the cam. If you are running 1.65:1 rockers your clearance should be .0165" to maintain .010" at the cam. Richard Good Good Parts jim hearn wrote: >It has been suggested to me that the valves on my '74 TR6 may need other >than the stock settings since it has a hotter cam. I don't know what the >cam is but it is definitely a hotter cam. I have only had the car a short >time so my primary mission is to make sure there are no extraordinarily >tight or loose valves. May be I could get a feel for the general settings >and take any tight or loose ones to that settings. From GRMTim at aol.com Fri Aug 24 21:56:16 2007 From: GRMTim at aol.com (GRMTim at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:56:16 EDT Subject: [Fot] vintage race car wanted Message-ID: No financial interest, other than that owner Hayes Harris is a friend and a customer of the magazine, but he has a decent looking TR4 vintage racer for sale on his website. www.wirewheel.com Tim Suddard Publisher; Classic Motorsports and Grassroots Motorsports magazines www.classicmotorsports.net www.grassrootsmotorsports.com Phone: (386) 673-4148 Fax: (386) 673-6040 vintage race car wanted probably sprite/midget, please contact Scott Brown at scott at vintage31.com It's for a friend of his who wants to get started in vintage Thanks Racer Bud ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 24 23:35:22 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charrly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:35:22 -0700 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods References: <000701c7e6a6$fa6ac790$0301010a@purplebox> Message-ID: <01c601c7e6d9$c2445ba0$3b00000a@CHARLY> Aren't TR6 2.5 rods and GT6 or saloon 2.0 rods the same? Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry and Cindy" To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods > Has anyone tried alternative conrods in 6 cyl engines to get weight > down??. We have successfully used Mitsubishi 4G32 rods in a 2000 engine > and are currently looking at a 2500. Years ago we did 2 race engines > with custom made carillos, but the price was just stupid. Thanks. > > Terry O'Beirne > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Sat Aug 25 12:04:56 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:04:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Henry Morrison Message-ID: <200708251805.l7PI56n4113757@ns3.geneseo.net> Does anyone have a good current email address for Henry Morrison? I've tried his old one and get bounced. Thanks uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From BillDentin at aol.com Sat Aug 25 13:30:30 2007 From: BillDentin at aol.com (BillDentin at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:30:30 EDT Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Message-ID: Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From jsnook at wcnet.org Sat Aug 25 13:54:16 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out References: Message-ID: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Congratulations Tony! Great race and great magazine photo!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; vinttr4 at geneseo.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Aug 25 14:49:47 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:49:47 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out In-Reply-To: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <006a01c7e751$b8b315e0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <20070825205034.7D7781879DD@autox.team.net> Thanks! I'm honored. - Tony At 02:54 PM 8/25/2007, Jeff Snook wrote: Congratulations Tony! Great race and great magazine photo!! Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com ----- Original Message ----- From: BillDentin at aol.com To: tony at tonydrews.com ; vinttr4 at geneseo.net Cc: fot at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [Fot] Center Fold Out Tony... There is an incredible picture of you (Best Ever) at the top of page 102 of the current issue of VINTAGE MOTORSPORT. It is from SVRA's May event at ROAD AMERICA. Bill ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html jsnook_gmi at wcnet.org Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Sat Aug 25 16:59:11 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:59:11 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: <20070825230849.GUGJ13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> >Check this out! > >Bay item # 220143217717 > >Good luck, > >Jim From N197TR4 at cs.com Sat Aug 25 20:42:17 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 22:42:17 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: it's Gawdawful. > >Check this out! > > > >Bay item # 220143217717 > > > >Good luck, > > > >Jim > From jerrybarr at charter.net Sat Aug 25 20:49:21 2007 From: jerrybarr at charter.net (Jerry Barr) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 21:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3188726B-C6D5-4195-A227-CC7872A3C748@charter.net> And here I was going to rip the body off my TR3 and have a beautiful Devin bodied car. It would only need 50# of bondo. On Aug 25, 2007, at 9:42 PM, N197TR4 at cs.com wrote: > it's Gawdawful. > > > >>> Check this out! >>> >>> Bay item # 220143217717 >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Jim >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > jerrybarr at charter.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From tr4.tony at virgin.net Sun Aug 26 04:45:36 2007 From: tr4.tony at virgin.net (TR4Tony) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:45:36 +0100 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay References: <20070825230849.GUGJ13288.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: <000e01c7e7ce$3c362890$0ab5a8c0@PBA.INT> Great project to get replicated in alloy ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Riddle" To: Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > >Check this out! >> >>Bay item # 220143217717 >> >>Good luck, >> >>Jim > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > tr4.tony at virgin.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Sun Aug 26 08:35:40 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 10:35:40 EDT Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay Message-ID: eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, so far. 1974 TVR 2500M historic race car $11,000.00 See description 12 adepaso(4) From rem9 at frontiernet.net Sun Aug 26 09:06:24 2007 From: rem9 at frontiernet.net (Russ Moore) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Fot] eBay-Buyers beware! References: Message-ID: <004701c7e7f2$acc45b80$03fea8c0@remsec1> It's been my finding of late Ebay listings are more deceptive than ever before, no reference to this recent thread. I won two auctions in the recent past where the goods were paid for but never delivered. Contacting Ebay got a pleasant canned message from someone in Pakistan or where-ever their "non-support" is done today. Fortunately I used a credit card and put the onus on them to pull the funds, which they eventually did after much ceremony. Ebay is not the medium for commerce it was three years ago. I had another lister admit he had "thrown a few bids" at his own item just to get things rolling. Listing anything of value for sale on the other hand seemingly assures you of getting at least one attempt at a scam, usually foreign nationals sending fraudulent counterfeit money orders and having some tale of commissions needing to be sent; dead uncles; being servants for rich potentates, etc.. Its gotten pretty bizarre. I listed a bulldozer recently(I know its not a TR but it never lifted in the corners either) and got three offers from out of the country with some scam attached. I am sure there is a high demand in Nigeria for 50 year old Cletrac dozers! One thing is guaranteed, Ebay always takes their cut regardless of outcome. If a listing sounds too good to be true it usually is. Always ask what was left out of an offering. The internet makes it way too easy for fraud to happen. I step down from the soapbox. Russ Moore Spitfire 49 (rebuild in progress) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, > so > far. > > > WIDTH="64" HEIGHT="45" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1911"> > HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017">1974 > TVR 2500M historic race car > > > > > $11,000.00 > See description > HREF="http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN">12 > adepaso SRC="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="1" > BORDER="0" DATASIZE="49">( HREF="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=adepaso&item=270156089863&iid=270156089863&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:SFS">4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rem9 at frontiernet.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Roadandtrack at bigpond.com Sun Aug 26 15:53:54 2007 From: Roadandtrack at bigpond.com (Terry and Cindy) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:53:54 +1000 Subject: [Fot] 6 cyl conrods In-Reply-To: <01c601c7e6d9$c2445ba0$3b00000a@CHARLY> Message-ID: <000601c7e82b$988b1d00$0301010a@purplebox> To clarify matters... The early GT6 rod is much wider at the big-end than the 2500 rod. Post 67, the rods all became the same. Sometime about 72, the 2500 rods changed to have a hole in them above a big-end bolt, but I've never seen that on a 2000 engine I used 4G32 rods on a 2000 race engine because I wanted a longer rod and shorter pin height piston. I'm now chasing a sensibly priced replacement rod for the 2500. I can get them made locally if I have to. Terry O'Beirne From chris at tr4-racing.de Sun Aug 26 16:17:40 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:17:40 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Champcars at Zolder Message-ID: <001e01c7e82e$f0bdaad0$6402a8c0@HOME> I've watched the Champ Car race today at Zolder. At TV the track looks quite impressive. When I drove there by myself I wasn't that impressed. Slow corners, short straights.....but again the Champ cas were great to watch! Good night Chris From rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Sun Aug 26 16:18:43 2007 From: rkramer3 at austin.rr.com (BOB KRAMER) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 17:18:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay References: Message-ID: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> It looks like a good value but you will need a friendly racing organization to allow you to race. According to my PCS the SCCA only homologated the 4 cylinder versions and as a 1974 it won't pass muster on that front either with most clubs. My club, CVAR has one (John Price) that is grandfathered in because it has been in the club for quite a few years. Maybe the CA clubs aren't as open minded, thus the price? Bob Kramer rkramer3 at austin.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] Devin Body on eBay > eBay also has a very nice looking race prepped TVR 2500M, at a low price, > so > far. > > > WIDTH="64" HEIGHT="45" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="1911"> > HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017">1974 > TVR 2500M historic race car > > > > > $11,000.00 > See description > HREF="http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=270156089863&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:BIDN">12 > adepaso SRC="http://pics.ebaystatic.com/aw/pics/s.gif" WIDTH="4" HEIGHT="1" > BORDER="0" DATASIZE="49">( HREF="http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=adepaso&item=270156089863&iid=270156089863&frm=1883&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:SFS">4) > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Mon Aug 27 06:31:11 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:31:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] small end bushings for Carillos Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A4CFE1C@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Does anyone know where we can get small end bushes for TR4 Carillos? I'm hoping they are readily available. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 From lang at isis.mit.edu Mon Aug 27 08:45:43 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In-Reply-To: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> References: <008d01c7e82f$115d42a0$0364a8c0@DadsComputer> Message-ID: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, BOB KRAMER wrote: > It looks like a good value but you will need a friendly racing organization > to allow you to race. According to my PCS the SCCA only homologated the 4 > cylinder versions and as a 1974 it won't pass muster on that front either > with most clubs. My club, CVAR has one (John Price) that is grandfathered in > because it has been in the club for quite a few years. Maybe the CA clubs > aren't as open minded, thus the price? TVRs are really tough to get into most racing organizations. On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners. Right Mr Rock? :-) > Bob Kramer > rkramer3 at austin.rr.com Regards, rml p.s. I think 2500's are pretty kool cars. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Fubog1 at aol.com Mon Aug 27 09:27:18 2007 From: Fubog1 at aol.com (Fubog1 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:27:18 EDT Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) Message-ID: In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners hey... what you call us...? Glen #2424T hybrid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From klynch_6 at msn.com Mon Aug 27 10:03:19 2007 From: klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:03:19 -0600 Subject: [Fot] good day !! Message-ID: Coincidentally, I heard Paul Harvey end his program with a Ron Dentinger funny this morning. good timing... Kev Lynch From tlizzard at msn.com Mon Aug 27 10:27:21 2007 From: tlizzard at msn.com (Terry Stetler) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:27:21 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) References: Message-ID: I resemble that remark! Terry Stetler Former Vixen 2500 (early series) owner... ----- Original Message ----- From: Fubog1 at aol.com To: lang at isis.mit.edu Cc: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In a message dated 8/27/2007 10:46:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lang at isis.mit.edu writes: On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph owners hey... what you call us...? Glen #2424T hybrid ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tlizzard at msn.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From riverside at cedar-rapids.net Mon Aug 27 12:32:43 2007 From: riverside at cedar-rapids.net (riverside) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:32:43 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR6 Diffs Message-ID: <000801c7e8d8$a8fcaca0$88158304@your55e5f9e3d2> Who does a good job of rebuilding TR6 Diff for sale exchange? art d From hottr6 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 27 12:39:51 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:39:51 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) Message-ID: Bob Lang wrote: >On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph >owners. I spend a lot of time hanging out with TVR owners here in Maryland, which is probably TVR Central in the US. They are a great bunch of guys because they resemble the Pantera owners I hung out with when I had the Big Cat on the track. (Classic) TVR owners see the engine bay as being right for ANY sort of transplant, and certainly small-block Ford crate motors are a great match and lighter than the boat anchor in TR6s and the wretched Essex V6. They have a great "can-do" attitude and though they will constantly deride the build quality of the cars, are ferociously loyal. One of my mates, Lenny Renkenberger, has the parts to build a widened TVR Vixen with a blown and sprayed 427. His goal is to reply to questions of "What will it do?" is to say "I'm too scared to find out". This from a man who was a pro drag-bike racer running in the 8s. The only problem with TVR owners is that they are always covered in fiberglass dust; they make me itch just looking at them. Shane Ingate PS I'm shipping Rags to NM with Intercity. I took a picture of it ready to roll, and you can see it at http://hottr6.blogspot.com/. And yes, it is sitting high on the short springs (due to me casting off nearly 400 lbs) and the rear camber needs to be set. _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 From rikrock at aol.com Mon Aug 27 13:23:18 2007 From: rikrock at aol.com (rikrock at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:23:18 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TVR (was - Devin Body on eBay) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9B6F6DB72030A-7E4-E20@webmail-db10.sysops.aol.com> Bob Lang wrote: >On the other hand, TVR owners are even more iconoclastic than Triumph >owners. They seem pretty normal to me ;-) Rich Rock ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Mon Aug 27 17:23:28 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:23:28 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: I just got my Vintage Motorsports. Killer picture of Tony....and if you look with magnifying glass you can a lot of the rest of the gang on the next page. Tony's Tech: Obviously, Tech Inspection missed the fact that those absolutely stunning P-700 Lucas Tri-Pod Headlamps are not covered with tape. I cant believe that Jack W missed that. This was a good weekend....thanks to all who participated, especially Kas & Peg. Regards, Joe A From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Mon Aug 27 18:24:58 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:24:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR6 rear whel camber for autox Message-ID: <000801c7e909$de2ff1d0$4a7aac43@computer> For autocrossing a TR6, if 3 degrees negative camber is a good place to start on the front wheels using radials, what is a good start on the rear wheels? Is it the stock negative one degree? Thanks, Jim [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 20:41:45 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine Message-ID: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I echo Joe's remark. Great action shot Tony! You may race the rest of your life and never get exposure like that again. And if I recall it was a totally great weekend for you and most all other FOTers. Those "Alexander Headlamp Covers" really jump out at you. By the way Tony, if you are interested in copies or enlargements of that picture, read the editors answer to 15 Minutes of Fame. Ken Suhre ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From kenandtweety at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 20:45:34 2007 From: kenandtweety at yahoo.com (Ken Suhre) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine Message-ID: <559160.57721.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry, left off the page number for 15 Minutes of Fame. See page 12. Ken ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From cartravel at pobox.com Tue Aug 28 11:39:56 2007 From: cartravel at pobox.com (Larry Young) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:39:56 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry Message-ID: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> This is a commercial message to let you know that I am planning to make another run of the camshafts that I designed for the TR4. This cam is currently running in three racing TRs, our TR3 (since fall 2005), Uncle Jack's TR4 (since spring 2006) and Tony Drew's TR4 (since spring 2007). We have all been very happy with the performance of the cam. You may recall Tony's post after the MOTRAH event (http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2007-05/msg00330.html). The cam has 298 degrees duration seat-to-seat, 251 degrees at 0.050, and 0.376 cam lift. Lobe separation is 108 degrees. It produces good power in the 4000 to 6500 RPM range. Tony and Jack's dyno runs showed peak horsepower at about 6000 RPM. I think it is the good low end power that enhances driveability with this cam. If you want to spin your engine to 7000, it is probably not the cam for you. If you are interested, the cost is $400 each and you must furnish a stock cam as a core. I know this is high for a reground cam, but believe me, most is going to the cam grinder, who does top quality work. Please let me know off list, if you're interested in one of these cams. I can also furnish additional technical information if you need it. Larry Young From hottr6 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 12:23:13 2007 From: hottr6 at hotmail.com (Shane Ingate) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:23:13 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR6 rear whel camber for autox Message-ID: I run -1 deg front, and -2 deg rear. Front and rear toe set to 1/8. Use factory castor ot both ends. Shane >For autocrossing a TR6, if 3 degrees negative camber is a good place to >start on the front wheels using radials, what is a good start on the rear >wheels? Is it the stock negative one degree? Thanks, Jim _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Cafi  open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Tue Aug 28 14:47:27 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:47:27 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry In-Reply-To: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> References: <46D45DEC.4010506@pobox.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5762EA@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Larry, Are you coming to TWS? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Larry Young Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:40 PM To: FOT Subject: [Fot] TR3/4 Camshafts - another cottage industry This is a commercial message to let you know that I am planning to make another run of the camshafts that I designed for the TR4. This cam is currently running in three racing TRs, our TR3 (since fall 2005), Uncle Jack's TR4 (since spring 2006) and Tony Drew's TR4 (since spring 2007). We have all been very happy with the performance of the cam. You may recall Tony's post after the MOTRAH event (http://www.team.net/mharc/archives/html/fot/2007-05/msg00330.html). The cam has 298 degrees duration seat-to-seat, 251 degrees at 0.050, and 0.376 cam lift. Lobe separation is 108 degrees. It produces good power in the 4000 to 6500 RPM range. Tony and Jack's dyno runs showed peak horsepower at about 6000 RPM. I think it is the good low end power that enhances driveability with this cam. If you want to spin your engine to 7000, it is probably not the cam for you. If you are interested, the cost is $400 each and you must furnish a stock cam as a core. I know this is high for a reground cam, but believe me, most is going to the cam grinder, who does top quality work. Please let me know off list, if you're interested in one of these cams. I can also furnish additional technical information if you need it. Larry Young rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 28 16:54:12 2007 From: westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net (westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: <082820072254.22612.46D4A794000B4AA3000058542158766720990E04D2069D@att.net> I'm sure he was using the scotchbrand invisable tape that is so popular. Ron Jacobs Western Eagle Racing -------------- Original message from N197TR4 at cs.com: -------------- > I just got my Vintage Motorsports. Killer picture of Tony....and if you look > with magnifying glass you can a lot of the rest of the gang on the next page. > > Tony's Tech: Obviously, Tech Inspection missed the fact that those > absolutely stunning P-700 Lucas Tri-Pod Headlamps are not covered with tape. I > cant > believe that Jack W missed that. > > This was a good weekend....thanks to all who participated, especially Kas & > Peg. > > Regards, > > Joe A > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > westerneagleracing at att.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From JWoesvra at aol.com Tue Aug 28 18:56:27 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:56:27 EDT Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsports Magazine Message-ID: In a message dated 8/28/2007 6:54:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, westerneagleracing at worldnet.att.net writes: I > cant > believe that Jack W missed that. I have people for that. However, we are also able to detect real from fake. jw ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From billsohl at optonline.net Tue Aug 28 21:24:53 2007 From: billsohl at optonline.net (Bill Sohl) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 23:24:53 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Amphicar video Message-ID: Not a racer, but an interesting bit of video given the Amphicar is powered by a Triumph Herald engine. Check out: http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/videos/OCW/ocw_tv.asp Cheers, Bill Sohl From mark at bradakis.com Tue Aug 28 22:00:10 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:00:10 -0600 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. From jimhearn1 at comcast.net Tue Aug 28 23:49:50 2007 From: jimhearn1 at comcast.net (jim hearn) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 22:49:50 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil Message-ID: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] From jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Wed Aug 29 02:22:32 2007 From: jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au (Jim Cun) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: <698094.11319.qm@web51804.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mark, I have a TR2 and a TR3 using 89mm bores proved to be very reliable and drivable. Jim ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark J. Bradakis To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, 29 August, 2007 2:00:10 PM Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. jimcun2001 at yahoo.com.au Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Feel safe with award winning spam protection on Yahoo!7 Mail. http://mail.yahoo.com.au From edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Wed Aug 29 05:31:25 2007 From: edwardbarnard at prodigy.net (EDWARD BARNARD) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 04:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <608607.2353.qm@web81209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mark: I've done customer cars with 89 mm sets from Ken G. With a lightened flywheel from Joe A. or an aluminum flywheel from Ted S. both proved to be great street cars. They just plain PULL! Both cars outperform another customers TR4 I did with 87's and a Judson. Embarrassing for the TR4 owner and a lot less hassle for installation. -ED- "Mark J. Bradakis" wrote: So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. edwardbarnard at prodigy.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chasgee at aol.com Wed Aug 29 10:29:23 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:23 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil In-Reply-To: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> References: <000a01c7ea00$6ac2cf40$4a7aac43@computer> Message-ID: <8C9B870E4AA8A9D-DD4-45B@FWM-D34.sysops.aol.com> I've always used 85W90 synthetic blend.? 145 may be too thick, but I have no direct experience with the heaver grade. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Differential oil I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com From dave at microworks.net Wed Aug 29 10:38:10 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:38:10 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Wanting to contact Steve Smith Message-ID: <20070829164048.UFAQ5837.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Steve could you contact me directly. Thanks! From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:05:32 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? References: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From earthron at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:18:29 2007 From: earthron at yahoo.com (Ron Jones) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Message-ID: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:40:33 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:33 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limerock References: <46D4EF4A.5050406@bradakis.com> Message-ID: To any FOTers coming to Limerock. Please be sure to drop by and say Hi. Unless the enforcement toughens up we'll have ample adult beverages. We're a bit hard to miss--the big Airstream and the ugly car right at the bottom of the paddock road. From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 13:40:59 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Might be hard to get clutches for -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ron Jones Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaxonracing at yahoo.com Wed Aug 29 13:53:29 2007 From: jaxonracing at yahoo.com (Jay Creel) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Prepped Crank Message-ID: <463288.65092.qm@web53511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Any one have an 1147 race prepped "STD" (not cut) crank sitting around collecting dust? Mine is in 2 pieces. Also looking for "lightened" 1147 standard connecting rods Thanks Jay --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Wed Aug 29 14:00:06 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:00:06 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL In-Reply-To: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A576FEF@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Isn't that a Detroit locker missing some parts? Might be a good piece for me to have for spare parts. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ron Jones Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:18 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay item 330158694908. Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 and 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat 70's. Curently ay 113.50 Ron '63 TR4 Race Car '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com Wed Aug 29 14:02:30 2007 From: rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com (Bob) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL References: <374114.1952.qm@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008a01c7ea77$881035c0$0401a8c0@VALUEDA4DE119D> Looks like a Detroit Locker to me. Not what you would call a true limited slip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Babcock" To: "Ron Jones" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL > Might be hard to get clutches for > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ron Jones > Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 12:18 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR2, TR3, TR4 LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL > > Don't know if someone on the list is interested, but take a look at eBay > item > 330158694908. > > Seller says "You are bidding on a LIMITED SLIP DIFFERENTIAL, for TR 2, 3 > and > 4's, I purchased it from Team 44 ( Bob Tulius) in Falls Church, VA in lat > 70's. > > Curently ay 113.50 > > Ron > '63 TR4 Race Car > '58 TR3 Awaiting Assembly > > > --------------------------------- > Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car > Finder tool. > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > rdavis4 at cfl.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From Gt6steve at aol.com Wed Aug 29 14:02:31 2007 From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:31 EDT Subject: [Fot] 1147 Race Prepped Crank Message-ID: Contact Joe Siam. I believe he's at JSiam1 at earthlink.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From awashatko at wi.rr.com Wed Aug 29 17:52:53 2007 From: awashatko at wi.rr.com (Allen Washatko) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:52:53 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Vintage Motorsport Magazine In-Reply-To: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <190249.84276.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12c811f99011d1131c69cd972e057a6d@wi.rr.com> FoT, I talked with Scott Paceley who shot and wrote the article. Digital photo prints are available at $16 for a 5x7, $20 for an 8x10, $34 for an 11x17, etc. He can be contacted at 217.356.0810 or . He will also be at the VSCDA Fall Festival at RA. Allen On Aug 27, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Ken Suhre wrote: > I echo Joe's remark. Great action shot Tony! You may > race the rest of your life and never get exposure like > that again. And if I recall it was a totally great > weekend for you and most all other FOTers. Those > "Alexander Headlamp Covers" really jump out at you. > > By the way Tony, if you are interested in copies or > enlargements of that picture, read the editors answer > to 15 Minutes of Fame. > > Ken Suhre > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > awashatko at wi.rr.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > A l l e n W a s h a t k o 1971 TR6 - Number 6 From adcronin at ameritech.net Wed Aug 29 17:56:17 2007 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (A Daniel Cronin) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot adcronin at ameritech.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 From timmurph at fastbytes.com Wed Aug 29 18:10:29 2007 From: timmurph at fastbytes.com (Tim Murphy) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:10:29 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. Tim Murphy #317 TR-4 From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Aug 29 18:51:35 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:51:35 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? In-Reply-To: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> References: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: <20070830005229.811B11879D7@autox.team.net> I bought a couple of "spare" pairs of the oversized round ones from Cambridge. With shipping, they ended up being about $100 a pair. Yikes. I thought I had a broken motor mount but was wrong. I've had a pair of them in my car for 3 1/2 years with nary a problem. I hit the same pothole. Pretty pricey compared to the Moss / BPNW ones, but replacing them sucks. That said, the "little" round ones from Moss / BPNW have lasted us much longer than 4 races. I have no experience with the square ones. - Tony At 07:10 PM 8/29/2007, Tim Murphy wrote: >Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round >style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the >round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at >Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than >academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and >we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last >discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for >the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > >Tim Murphy >#317 TR-4 >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tony at tonydrews.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 19:16:41 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:41 EDT Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: Tim I use the round ones, but I also have the Torque Reaction Arm in place. This is an OEM part used on the TR4. It limits the travel of the engine when going from extreme braking to full throttle. There is absolutely no question that it does, as I removed mine to reverse engineer this part to produce it. The result was bent velocity stacks at the next outing. Subsequently, I think it also reduces the stress on the rear tranny mount. If anyone needs one, I have a few on the shelf. Joe > > Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round > style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the > round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at > Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more > than > academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss > and > we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last > discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for > the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR-4 > From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 19:23:55 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:23:55 EDT Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Message-ID: I have been getting correspondence from Drayton Sleeves. They appear to be a very serious producer of sleeves, including custom sleeves. Anyone have any experience with them? Joe (A) > Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and > his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. > > Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top > wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm > going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. > > -----Original Message----- > From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis > Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM > To: FOT at autox.team.net > Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > > So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck > Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. > > Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable > motor? > > mjb. > billb at bnj.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > adcronin at ameritech.net > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > > Planning & Development Services > A. Daniel Cronin > 248 761-2673 > _______________________________________________ > From BillB at bnj.com Wed Aug 29 19:54:58 2007 From: BillB at bnj.com (Bill Babcock) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? References: <001001c7ea9a$2c9146d0$6f02a8c0@TimsMilwPC> Message-ID: I through-bolt square ones. Doesn't do much for vibration, but they don't break. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Tim Murphy Sent: Wed 8/29/2007 5:10 PM To: 'FOT' Cc: Ryan Murphy Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more than academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss and we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. Tim Murphy #317 TR-4 billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Aug 29 20:25:58 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:25:58 EDT Subject: [Fot] Correction Darton Sleeves, not Drayton Message-ID: my apologies.... From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 30 00:06:31 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:06:31 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Message-ID: <934A7DEE5834475AB035CB594BB4B4D1@Notebook> I agree with Joe. A torgue rod is mandatory for racing purpose....and even more if you do standing starts. Since I use the torgue rod I hadn't any failure of the motor mounts. I use the square ones and fill the caves with windshield glue (don't know the proper name) Cheers chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 6:41 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:16:52 -0500 X-Original-To: fot at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net From: N197TR4 at cs.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:16:41 EDT To: timmurph at fastbytes.com, fot at autox.team.net X-Mailer: 6.0 for Windows XP sub 50 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Cc: rpm724 at charter.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Motor mounts, round or square? X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: Tim I use the round ones, but I also have the Torque Reaction Arm in place. This is an OEM part used on the TR4. It limits the travel of the engine when going from extreme braking to full throttle. There is absolutely no question that it does, as I removed mine to reverse engineer this part to produce it. The result was bent velocity stacks at the next outing. Subsequently, I think it also reduces the stress on the rear tranny mount. If anyone needs one, I have a few on the shelf. Joe > > Last November Gary asked which was the preferred motor mount: the older round > style or the newer square style. There was some discussion but the > round/square question was never answered. We just broke a motor mount at > Grattan on the pot hole of the last turn. So now the question is of more > than > academic interest. The motor mounts we have are the square ones from Moss > and > we ran four events, including Grattan, before we had the failure. > The ones from Cambridge Motor Sports were highly regarded during the last > discussion but the cost at that time was about $80 compared to about $16 for > the round ones from Moss. Any input would be appreciated. > > Tim Murphy > #317 TR-4 > _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From chris at tr4-racing.de Thu Aug 30 00:59:08 2007 From: chris at tr4-racing.de (Marx Christian tr4-racing) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:59:08 +0200 Subject: [Fot] Differential oil Message-ID: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> I use only GL5 qualitiy. If I get W90 GL5 for the diff. Gearbox GL 4 oil. Cheers Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Drews To: chris at tr4-racing.de Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:13 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Fot] Differential oil Delivered-To: tony at tonydrews.com X-Virus-Scan: Scanned by clamdmail 0.15 (no viruses); Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:29:53 -0500 X-Original-To: FOT at autox.team.net Delivered-To: fot at autox.team.net To: jimhearn1 at comcast.net, FOT at autox.team.net Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:29:23 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI From: chasgee at aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30128 X-AOL-IP: 205.188.162.10 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 1.01d X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Subject: Re: [Fot] Differential oil X-BeenThere: fot at autox.team.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 List-Id: Friends of Triumph List-Unsubscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: < http://autox.team.net/pipermail/fot> List-Post: < mailto:fot at autox.team.net> List-Help: < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: < http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot>, < mailto:fot-request at autox.team.net?subject=subscribe> Sender: fot-bounces+tony=tonydrews.com at autox.team.net X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on localhost X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=disabled version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: I've always used 85W90 synthetic blend.? 145 may be too thick, but I have no direct experience with the heaver grade. Chuck Gee Spitfire Racer -----Original Message----- From: jim hearn To: FOT at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:49 pm Subject: [Fot] Differential oil I am changing parts in the differential of my '74 TR6. I don't know what oil is in it now but I have some Valvoline 85 w - 145 w. I'm autocrossing or tracking (no street driving) mostly in hot weather. Is the 85w - 145w suitable or is it possibly too heavy for good performance? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] chasgee at aol.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://www.team.net/donate.html tony at tonydrews.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 30 06:43:01 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:43:01 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? In-Reply-To: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Forgetting the liners for a moment what about the stuck Grose jets in TR6's? I have seen that many times. I suspect its not the jets but rust in the fuel system sending unwanted particles forward, but I stopped using Grose jets a long time ago. What is the general consensus? Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of A Daniel Cronin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 PM To: Bill Babcock; Mark J. Bradakis; FOT at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, etc. Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my street TR3. -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. Bradakis Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM To: FOT at autox.team.net Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable motor? mjb. billb at bnj.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot adcronin at ameritech.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot Planning & Development Services A. Daniel Cronin 248 761-2673 rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From vinttr4 at geneseo.net Thu Aug 30 07:06:11 2007 From: vinttr4 at geneseo.net (Jack W. Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Fot] torque rods Message-ID: <200708301306.l7UD6NvU267586@ns3.geneseo.net> (Opinion) I think torque rods are a good thing for cars with Webers, but not cars with SU's. Whenever I'm asked to help find the problem of an SU equipped car that is breaking up at around 5000 rpm, the first thing I check is to see how tightly the engine is tied don. If it can't move a little bit, the natural four banger vibration is transferred to the carbs and causes foaming and irregular fuel supply. Joe's torque arm is probably the best solution for SU or Stromberg cars. Of course all this can be alleviated by using soft mounts for the carbs. uncle jack ------------------------------------------------ No Virus Found In This Message Scanned at barracuda.geneseo.net From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 30 07:35:48 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:35:48 EDT Subject: [Fot] Engine Torque Rods & Torque Reaction Arms Message-ID: FoT Our Triumph TR4 Torque Reaction Arm is 'non-contact', from engine to frame, until it is needed. It is a Triumph OEM part that is available through Moss, as a reproduction part, or directly from me. I use stock front round mounts with no issues. Our rear mount is solid rubber with modified mounting plates and hardware. The rear mount rubber durometer is about the equivalent of the front mounts. Of course my TR4 #197 HP was dynoed at about 120 HP and I seldom exceed 6,000 RPM. We apparently get no fuel foaming with the 175 Strombergs as I can run an entire weekend without a stumble. Joe (A) > Joe's torque arm is probably the best solution for SU or > Stromberg cars. Of course all this can be alleviated by using soft > mounts for the carbs. > > uncle jack > From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Aug 30 07:43:45 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:43:45 -0500 Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes?, now Grose Jets In-Reply-To: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com > References: <520161.3333.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C1D37@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> Message-ID: <20070830134440.CBAD0187A61@autox.team.net> Grose jets (in racing, anyway) = bad news In SU carburetors, they can't handle the vibration and fuel pressures racing requires in my experience. - Tony Drews At 07:43 AM 8/30/2007, Kramer, Robert wrote: >Forgetting the liners for a moment what about the stuck Grose jets in >TR6's? I have seen that many times. I suspect its not the jets but rust >in the fuel system sending unwanted particles forward, but I stopped >using Grose jets a long time ago. What is the general consensus? > > >Bob Kramer >Sales Manager >RDO Equipment Co. >16415 North IH 35 >Pflugerville, TX 78660 >512-272-4141 >Fx 512-272-9365 > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net >[mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf >Of A Daniel Cronin >Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 6:56 PM >To: Bill Babcock; Mark J. Bradakis; FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > >Had an email comunication with Ken late last week to see if he had 92's >and his response was that he did not due to difficulties with machining, >etc. > >Bill Babcock wrote: Yup, Ken gillanders has nice flat >top wisecos and sleeves from LA Sleeve. I'm going to use the 92mm in my >street TR3. > >-----Original Message----- >From: fot-bounces+billb=bnj.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Mark J. >Bradakis >Sent: Tue 8/28/2007 9:00 PM >To: FOT at autox.team.net >Subject: [Fot] TR3 bore sizes? > >So this local club member brings in his TR6 for some work (stuck Grose >Jet in rear carb) and we start talking about his TR3 project. > >Can 89 mm piston sets be had that will make a reliable, streetable >motor? > >mjb. >billb at bnj.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >adcronin at ameritech.net >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > > > >Planning & Development Services >A. Daniel Cronin >248 761-2673 >rkramer at rdoequipment.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >_______________________________________________ >http://www.team.net/donate.html > >tony at tonydrews.com >Fot mailing list >Fot at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From lang at isis.mit.edu Thu Aug 30 08:06:46 2007 From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert Lang) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Fot] Differential oil In-Reply-To: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> References: <6D792C007E214A84ABC5494827E9B7CF@Notebook> Message-ID: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, Marx Christian tr4-racing wrote: > I use only GL5 qualitiy. If I get W90 GL5 for the diff. > Gearbox GL 4 oil. If you have a stock TR differential, you want to use GL4 gear oil. There are brass bits in there (planet gear thrust washers, for example). I realize that this point is moot owing to most folks on the list running Quaifes, Detroit Lockers and stuff like that which have zero brass, But I just thought I'd float the idea... > Cheers > Chris regards, rml --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Lang Room N42-140Q | This space for rent Consultant MIT IS&T unix-linux-help | Voice:617-253-7438 FAX: 617-258-9535 | Cell: 339-927-4489 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From jaboruch at netzero.net Thu Aug 30 11:13:32 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:13:32 GMT Subject: [Fot] Limerock Message-ID: <20070830.131332.22154.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> I will be there working in timing and scoring in the tower on Saturday and Monday. I will try to stop by either before or after racing starts/stops for the day. Bill, let me know if you happen to need any TR parts for repairs and I will see what I can do. Joe(B) -- "Bill Babcock" wrote: To any FOTers coming to Limerock. Please be sure to drop by and say Hi. Unless the enforcement toughens up we'll have ample adult beverages. We're a bit hard to miss--the big Airstream and the ugly car right at the bottom of the paddock road. jaboruch at netzero.net Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot _____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijnccb07fah9Iu65jUI7AbjWnYl sM0HZ7TJeHpnhZ8KzzsyJA/ From N197TR4 at cs.com Thu Aug 30 15:37:43 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:37:43 EDT Subject: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 Message-ID: "You can share this information with the list if it helps. Dick Stockton uses the round motor mounts as well as your torque reaction arm (mounted on the opposite side of the factory mount so it works under acceleration). He has had no fuel foaming issues running it in this configuration. Bob" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------- Dick Stockton's FOT Alter Ego reports that Dick uses the Torque Reaction Arm on the opposite side (Driver), instead of the passenger side. This will work from full acceleration and makes sense. However, I think the factory put it on passenger side to limit the first action (rotation of engine) under severe braking. This limits the full travel of the engine, from left to right at the top of the engine, when you come off of the brake and go directly to full throttle. (Visual engine rotating from extreme left to extreme right at the top) The ultimate solution might be put the Torque Reaction Arm on BOTH sides of the engine. I may consider that for mine. Note: Since the TRA is normally in no direct contact with the frame, it will not transfer vibration to the float bowls. The same concept will work with the TR3, but it needs different dimensions to fit. Someone asked about this (BDI).......................................... I have never tried it on a TR4A frame. Joe (A) From RKramer at rdoequipment.com Thu Aug 30 16:38:38 2007 From: RKramer at rdoequipment.com (Kramer, Robert) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:38:38 -0500 Subject: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950AB6865A0BD9408E0EEFE42B2118820A5C2903@RDOEXCHG.rdoe.com> I have one on a TR4A and it doesn't fit quite right. I may do some fiddling to get it to fit. Bob Kramer Sales Manager RDO Equipment Co. 16415 North IH 35 Pflugerville, TX 78660 512-272-4141 Fx 512-272-9365 -----Original Message----- From: fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces+rkramer=rdoequipment.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of N197TR4 at cs.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 4:38 PM To: ra85 at drexel.edu; fot at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Fot] Torque Reaction Arm for the TR4 "You can share this information with the list if it helps. Dick Stockton uses the round motor mounts as well as your torque reaction arm (mounted on the opposite side of the factory mount so it works under acceleration). He has had no fuel foaming issues running it in this configuration. Bob" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ ----------------------------------------- Dick Stockton's FOT Alter Ego reports that Dick uses the Torque Reaction Arm on the opposite side (Driver), instead of the passenger side. This will work from full acceleration and makes sense. However, I think the factory put it on passenger side to limit the first action (rotation of engine) under severe braking. This limits the full travel of the engine, from left to right at the top of the engine, when you come off of the brake and go directly to full throttle. (Visual engine rotating from extreme left to extreme right at the top) The ultimate solution might be put the Torque Reaction Arm on BOTH sides of the engine. I may consider that for mine. Note: Since the TRA is normally in no direct contact with the frame, it will not transfer vibration to the float bowls. The same concept will work with the TR3, but it needs different dimensions to fit. Someone asked about this (BDI).......................................... I have never tried it on a TR4A frame. Joe (A) rkramer at rdoequipment.com Fot mailing list Fot at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From dave at microworks.net Thu Aug 30 17:23:57 2007 From: dave at microworks.net (David W. Riddle) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:57 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 Message-ID: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> http://www.showroomclassics.com/sportscar.php?id=692163dc6b03ace78a977981fc0e3efa From greenman62 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 03:39:43 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:39:43 +0000 Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 In-Reply-To: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> References: <20070830233259.YNDS2916.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Message-ID: Hmmm... NO mention of what rear end he's using... If it's the original will it have enough beef to stand all the torque? I think the traditional hot rod upgrade would be a Ford 9" YMMV Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:23:57 -0700 > To: william.r.riddle at usmc.mil; dan at thecarringtons.net; dana at summitwestsigns.com; fot at autox.team.net > From: dave at microworks.net > Subject: [Fot] Nice TR4 with a V8 > > http://www.showroomclassics.com/sportscar.php?id=692163dc6b03ace78a977981fc0e 3efa > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > greenman62 at hotmail.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From charly at mitchelplumbing.com Fri Aug 31 13:40:25 2007 From: charly at mitchelplumbing.com (Charly Mitchel) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 12:40:25 -0700 Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs References: <02a501c7e107$afe85c90$1a02a8c0@workstation3><01f901c7e104$b20ddc00$6a5636cc@navcom.com> <00ea01c7e282$d557b7b0$0502a8c0@desktop> Message-ID: <00b501c7ec06$c7801f50$0502a8c0@desktop> Alright FoTer's, we're ready to order the Diffs from Ken Gilanders @ British Frame and engine. We need 2 things a payment for half down and all persons to commit in a timely manner. I think given this is a Holiday weekend and some may not get this notice for a week or so, we will make a generous time frame to commit. How about 21 days. All deposits must reach Ken by the 21st of September. We need to send him a check for $750 for each unit ordered. At this time we have 6-8 persons interested in them. Ken has also told me that we may have found a may to get the shipping cost down a little also. I will find out if Ken needs a check or can take a credit card as well. Thanks, Charly Mitchel TR6 #44 Kens information is as follows: British Frame and Engine Telephone/Fax: 626-443-0939 Email: bfeken at copper.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:fot-bounces+ryoung=navcomtech.com at autox.team.net] On >>> Behalf Of Charly Mitchel >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 12:49 PM >>> To: fot at autox.team.net >>> Subject: [Fot] Limited Slip diffs >>> >>> I've got a cost on the Tran-X units or at least an estimated >>> cost. The >>> unknown cost are the duty on the items paid upon relapse from >>> customs and the >>> shipping to each individual buyer. >>> >>> Ken Gillanders tells me the cost will be about $1500 plus the >>> local shipping >>> costs. >>> This is not a definite cost but a very close estimate. >>> Please let me know if >>> you're interested. >>> Charly Mitchel >>> TR6 #44 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> >>> ryoung at navcomtech.com >>> Fot mailing list >>> Fot at autox.team.net >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY. This electronic mail and any files >>> transmitted with it may contain information proprietary to >>> NavCom Technology, Inc., or one of its affiliates, and are >>> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to >>> whom they are addressed, shall be maintained in confidence >>> and not disclosed to third parties without the written >>> consent of the sender. 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If you have received this electronic mail in error, >> please immediately notify the sender by return mail. >> _______________________________________________ >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> charly at mitchelplumbing.com >> Fot mailing list >> Fot at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot > _______________________________________________ > http://www.team.net/donate.html > > charly at mitchelplumbing.com > Fot mailing list > Fot at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/fot From jaboruch at netzero.net Fri Aug 31 15:39:52 2007 From: jaboruch at netzero.net (Joe Boruch) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:39:52 GMT Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day Message-ID: <20070831.173952.20472.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Listers, last weekend I raced in the the "Longest Day" 24 hour race at Nelson Ledges (east of Cleveland, OH). What a race! Our very own Ted Shumacher was the honorary starter. Ted has won this race a number of times in his TR8, even taking first overall. It was great to see Ted there and learn of the Triumph success there. Ted has also instructed there and his tips were very helpful to our team. I raced in the Rhinoceros Racing Mazda Miata in the SM class. We started 30th out of 35 starters and finished 17th over all and 7th in class. This was the first enduro for the car and the first 24 hour race for all team members. It was also my first time in a Miata and at this track. The car ran great, needing only tires, gas and a quart of oil. One team member liked driving the car so much that he went out and bought a Spec Miata this week. We were wondering how many TR3's I would have needed to finish such a race. With the current tune of my motor I would probably have needed 3 motors. I am sure a mildly tuned TR3/4 would run 24 hours fine, but with the rough track surface I am not so sure the suspension would have stayed together or the car would not have stayed on track. Turn 11 is taken flat out at the fastest part of the track and has quite a dip in it at the apex. It did not upset the Miata, but not so sure what my TR3 would do in it. Anyway, I digress. We had 6 drivers, but a couple were only doing 1 hour stints. I drove twice, 2 hours at a time (gas would only last 2 hours). It was raining when I got in the car at 7:30 pm and drove into the darkness. Fortunately the rain let up by around 8-8:30, for the rest of the race. There were some fog patches that showed up early in the morning. I got to drive in the daylight in the morning for another 2 hours. The light of morning revealed quite a few damaged cars. Many crunched, missing glass and fenders. A VW Golf had been on its roof during the night and was crushed at the rear. They had a backhoe and a pick-up truck tugging at it to stretch it back out. It kept going for a while, but was pitting very often. If you ever get a chance to participate or attend, go for it. It is quite the event. We are already making plans for next year. Joe(B) _____________________________________________________________ Durable and cost effective steel buildings. Click for huge discounts. http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijm8EfCAQToHQ99eJvM3rzZoxoX mZqhdu2iK1z5td2GgVAcZc/ From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 31 20:52:19 2007 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:52:19 -0400 Subject: [Fot] Nelson Ledges Longest Day In-Reply-To: <20070831.173952.20472.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> Message-ID: >If you ever get a chance to participate or attend, go for it. It is quite >the >event. We are already making plans for next year. Joe(B) I agree, Joe; Quite the Event! I went twice in the early'80s. When you see all the beat-up cars still circulating in the morning, it looks insane. Like something out of Mad Max, only I don't know if it was out then. A group of four drivers wanted to enter, but none of them had a Showroom Stock car. Two FF, one BP and one GT-1. So they took on a fifth driver because his girlfriend had a clapped-out TR7 with a roll bar for her daily driver. At first it ran hot. I was sent to a TR7 in the spectator area. Turns out that car had run the previous year. It had wrecked into the tire wall and they couldn't extricate it, so the workers just piled tires on it to make it part of the wall. The drivers went to sleep but the crew got it out somehow and got it running and woke the drivers up to race some more. One of the crew bought it and fixed it up to drive on the street. Anyway, he gave me a radiator baffle which I installed. Ran cooler after that. It ran and ran with no problems, just got all beat up. Wonder what the girlfriend said when she got it back! The next year the four drivers returned with a brand new Mustang GT and a Ford dealership for a sponsor. The sponsorship was a discount on price and a helper. The helper turned out to be a salesman who knew nothing. All that car did was break. It was trashed but running at the finish. Quite an event!